there you go that looks good again hey okay so uh
welcome to the WAN Show we have awesome
topics that we can hopefully talk about on a microphone that is functional this
week yeah uh two companies that start with V have been shut down which will be
two separate topics one of them was Vine and the other one was vessel so if
you're starting a company in 2016 maybe do not name it with a V at the beginning
see lonus Media Group perfect name for
naming scheme doesn't start with a V perfect name for a company there's
actually no V in the whole name npe which is probably what like really shows
your craftsmanship craftmanship of that name after that there was also
announcements from two different companies that sound like they were
announcements for products from the other company there was a laptop and an
all-in-one PC announc from Microsoft and
Apple and if you don't know like which one was from who yet somehow we'll just
leave the guessing game to you until later
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mod cable mod huh I'm actually listening to us
like yell out the sponsor names Behind
the Music right now cuz I'm actually I'm actually monitoring the stream which
with the delay on Twitch is actually got
be a nightmare incredibly distracting um
I thought you plugged into the computer I was like why are we delaying so much it makes so much more sense now no I'm
listening to it here cuz I really really need to know if this cable was the
problem and if it turns out that this USB cable was the problem I will
personally destroy it on stream before the show is over so uh I had a micro USB
die in the car once and Emma was sitting beside me and I ripped it in half with
my hands cuz I was so mad that's pretty good was I was so pissed off they're
like made of metal and stuff I I wrapped one around each hand and then pulled it
apart I was very upet I can't remember what it did it like failed me in some
way I'm going to try it's really difficult this is like hard sleeved and
stuff yeah I'm going to try anyway I wouldn't mine was like thin and terrible
I'm still going to try Okay I I don't mind I don't mind failing on camera it's
not a new thing for me is it still working it's oh yeah oh yeah it's still
working right now so it's probably the cable then so probably the cable I'm going to turn our mic down a little bit
here cuz I just grabbed another microphone without actually like
checking any of the settings whatsoever what is isn't this the same mic we you
just changed the cable not the mic this was a no wait this was a different mic
though yeah the when you were testing you put it over there so that's probably
why it's turned up a little higher than usual so we'll go we'll go ahead we'll do that yeah all right so why don't we
jump right into our first topic here um
oh this is am I am I on the wrong am I on the wrong dock no oh no actually this
is terrifying it's just yeah okay so the original article here is from The Verge
oh speaking of terrifying I have not pluged in your my
screen share yet
today let's see if it works I'm excited
oh oh oh okay no no it's fine I I
thought I thought we I thought it was shutting down oh
hey first time's a charm when a show
something works always works all the time
is nice uh AT&T to buy HBO CNN and the rest
of Time Warner for more than 80 billion
so I've got a riddle for you okay what's
the only thing scarier than a
ginormous corporation that owns all the media that
you
consume an even more ginormous Corporation
owns that owns the
delivery media through which you receive
all the media you consume yeah yeah yeah
this might be one of the only things on planet Earth
that I and you and Hillary Clinton and
Donald Trump all agree all agree on yeah this is terrible yeah this should not
happen it's the worst I I love the uh I love the sub
headline that deal includes
Batman okay thanks deal includes the one
still somewhat relevant superhero for Warner oh for Warner okay yeah I was
like what no no no no there are many other ones they're just all Marvel yeah
yeah um so h not a ton of we're not going to
go over a ton of details here but news of the merger first surfaced last Friday
and um actually there are almost no notes on this whatsoever thank you
Colton everything that I knew off the top of my head was more than what he had
actually put into the dock here but
um yeah there there's one kind of funny thing where uh the US government
summoned The Wrong Time Warner CEO to like talk about stuff they they
summoned uh Robert Marcus the former CEO
of Time Warner instead of uh Jeff bues
who is the current CEO of Time
Warner I can't imagine that that would be hard to figure out so I'm kind of
surprised that that happened but either way you would think so this comes on the
heels of of other isps also looking to expand
their their digital media uh um
Footprints and I guess that leads us pretty well into what will be one of our
biggest topics for today um even though
the list of people on Earth who care is
definitely less than the number of people who will watch this video um this
has a significant impact on us and to a
core group of our viewers yeah that are
legitimately paying a monthly subscription fee to view our content
which is uh which is pretty pretty unbelievable to us and there are many
many more of them than you guys likely
realize so Verizon is buying Jason
kill's video startup vessel and promptly
shutting it down so October 26th which
was on Wednesday October 26th the news
broke we found about it at found found about it found out about it we found it
thank you this is this is why I like having you here cuz like sometimes I
sense no make so um we found out about
it on the 26th of October and the deal
is done not just not just done like
vessel.com is shutting down on October
31st that one two three four five days
three of which are business days it's got to be one of the fastest shutdowns
after announcement like ever hold on a second hold on no no this is posted
October 26th at 5:30 p.m. so
like okay one wait no that's that's
still right I still I still had the numbers right numbers right still I had
Mak sense no yes excellent
um so I you try to do a sponsor spot like
that that would be terrible for everyone
yeah yeah us sponsored
viewers no one would win poor Nick he'd have he'd have like a
brain tumor by um all right so vessel launched about 18
months ago um what else we got it it's
it's it was helpful for us yeah well here why don't I why don't I kind of
talk about pre-shutdown and then you can go through what's going to happen post
shutdown so uh so pre-shutdown vessel launched with the promise of giving
creators um kind of like
how would what would I compare this to okay so giving creators a way to provide
some kind of benefit to what they called super fans so some kind of benefit that
would drive super fans to pay a monthly
subscription for the content and support
effectively support the channels that they watch in a way that is much more
financially beneficial so more money per
view than ad supported platforms like YouTube remember YouTube Red was not a
thing at the time so the idea was that with a three a five or a 7day
window viewers who paid three bucks a
month for the entire vessel platform would get early access to all the
content on the platform and some things
about this seemed like a pretty good idea to me at the time and I'll I'll run
you through some of the reasons so number one is being able to monetize
views more than the fraction of a scent
that we get for a YouTube ad that was a big one number two the ability to pull
some of the content and some of the uh some of the audience off YouTube where
we are riing on the Goodwill of Google
for our continued existence was a huge
one for us like actually really sketchy massive because it was I had already
dismissed joining vessel I was done I wasn't going to look into it and then
Google pulled a thing where they were like like okay we are going to crack
down on creators having native
advertising that they bake into their videos and like it's going to get real
and if they want to have native adver if they want to show a brand logo in their
video that brand is going to have to go through Google to buy out all of the
different ad units on that video which logistically how does that even like for
how long like didn't even make any sense
and so we were like holy crap we need something
so vessel also offered us that um and
for the first the other thing they offered was one free year to our viewers
yeah uh which was which I thought was pretty cool because the way that I
looked at it this was a Silicon Valley startup and I'm not going to say that I
I saw the platform failing coming uh at the started actually like I was like on
board I was like ready to ready to do this thing um but it's a Silicon Valley
startup that signing a oneyear contract
with us um or sorry it was uh it was an
18 month contract 18-month contract I
think with the potential to renew for another 18 months as long as no parties
wanted out so it was like a three-year contract with an 18-month out the first
year of which would be free for all of our users yeah so I kind of looked at M
I mean and we were allowed doing simultaneous content when it came to
like show content or timely content like
WAN Show and stuff like that so we didn't think it would hurt anyone so we
worked out a deal where you know and we were at that time also looking at ways
to make ourselves less reliant on the
pace at which new technology was being released so that was right around the
time that we were developing Concepts like scrapyard Wars um Concepts like uh
moving Vlog Concepts like Concepts that did not rely on razor or apple or
Microsoft to deliver us some new shiny thing that would drive people's interest
in our videos trying to make it more personality driven more uh project
driven you know compensator to is right
over there and it's going to be a great video and did not rely on any single
Hardware to be released so that we could like go viral by dunking it in water for
an hour or whatever the case may be so all of these things kind of aligned for
us and we went oh yeah not to mentioned that wait am I allowed to say that okay
so what I don't know can you hint no so
okay long story short through vessel we
were able to make a lot more money per video than we were without it and right
this was the other thing I had just signed the deal on the warehouse that we
are sitting in today I had just signed
the deal the mortgage deal on it and
YouTube came out with their thing that was going to significantly affect our ability to
monetize our videos this a very scary time and vessel offered us the
opportunity to better monetize our videos right at that moment so I had
like a down payment to make on I had a tenant Improvement to do I had to build
an office inside this building I don't know how much you guys know about like
leasing renting or buying commercial space but like you're lucky if it's an
empty box because then you save the money that it would cost to rip out
whatever stupid thing the previous person put in and get it hauled away to
the landfill so um so there you go
and so now in terms of what happens to
people who are already subscribers uh you will be provided complimentary
access through the month of October also known as like a few days bucks yeah you
were given a refund till the beginning of October
so if you bought an annual sub so you will have hopefully get given money
thing yeah if if you were subscribed through iTunes which I didn't even know
was possible but sure yeah if you were subscribed through iTunes you need to
contact Apple customer support for a refund well that's what you get for
subscribing through iTunes yeah um and you will apparently be receiving an
email with instructions and yada y y so if you're a vessel subscriber check your
email yeah that's basically it got people ask asking what does this mean
for nerd Sports great question I don't think we
know yeah so um we have a call with
go90 next week uh which is a subsidiary
of Verizon also an online streaming platform not an early access platform
and my understanding is
that if Verizon owns vessel
but did not keep the content creator
contracts like ours to produce Early
Access content in place but did keep the
employee contract presumably to move on to another project because vessel.com is
going away then content creator contracts that are
not the standard ones like the exclusive
content ones seem to be in kind of a
gray Zone yeah so we will have to find
out not really sure how that works what is going on with that yeah I some people are
asking what is going to happen in the future for like viewers that weren't on
vessel honestly uh probably nothing
noticeable no so I'll tell you this much we are not planning to take our seven
days of buffered content and dump it onto YouTube in one day this would be an
enormous disservice to me Luke and all
the other people who work on those videos because how however many of you
go yeah that would be great I'm going to binge watch the crap out of that the
cold hard truth is that due to the way the YouTube algorithm works if we step
on our own video releases with Rapidfire
video releases it significantly
decreases the um the propagation of
those videos in people's subboxes suggested videos suggested channels and
all that stuff so we would basically be
sign ific and like I'm talking like we could get half as many a third as many a
quarter as many views on those videos we would be significantly damaging the
impact of those videos by just dumping them all on YouTube at a time and having
a buffer is really helpful for us anyways because that could afford us
more time to work on really super cool stuff like can I reveal a thing behind
me yeah yeah like this thing which you
can't actually really see that well yeah that is a desk PC part two so that's it
that's its current state yeah and that kind of stuff can take a little bit and
being just stand it's fine Ed's like
crawling on the floor and he's not even he didn't even go in frame he didn't
even go in the frame uh yeah so I don't know that kind
of stuff can be awesome so um so yeah I guess should we
take Twitter Blitz questions we've got um we've got no I'm I'm I'm following it
in twitch chat yeah we've got uh we've got other people in twitch chat asking
uh if there's any possibility that we would look into to creating our own
Early Access platform and I won't say
no I I think there's I think even with a
fairly rudimentary system maybe through our Forum or something like that I think
there are tangible benefits that we could offer people um for like a month
some kind of a monthly fee and we haven't really talked about how much it
would be I was wondering if you're going to give examples of the tangible benefits or not I'm not sure if we
should I don't I don't I don't know um okay so on vessel right now probably or
maybe shortly after wow there's a video where I talk about these things so I
guess I might as well just uh it's it's just like me sitting at my desk that's
what I was recording when you came upstairs oh yeah so are you just putting
it on vessel yeah it's only going on vessel that's cool so basically what
we're what we're asking people to do patreon no I don't think that's the no I
don't think patreon's the answer because patreon we've talked to them before
about building like an API or working
with the apis that exist for other platforms to more tightly integrate so
if someone was a patron we could offer them a coupon code on Teespring or
something and they have expressed zero interest in which seems
insane developing those kinds of relationships and those kinds of
benefits um which to me is very frustrating because right
now patreon is basically a money
collection platform and not much more yeah in my mind yeah because everything
that the Creator does as a benefit to
their patrons has to be manually done
like yes you can you can upload a small video or photo or a post but other than
that but if you wanted to do like a merch reward or a coupon we're not huge
fans of exclusive like actually constantly
exclusive stuff we like share if we're going to make something we generally
like sharing it with everybody and and and even if you were to do like
stuff that you can't do for everyone like if you wanted to do at a certain
tier like a signed thing patreon doesn't
have like a a fulfillment center partner yeah that we could just fill an entire
box full of signed shirts with and send it to them like they don't really
facilitate your ability to uh to to
actually execute these rewards and it's an inherent problem with the platform
because most of the creators on it are small Time creators
For Whom the burden of signing 200 hats
and then packing them addressing them
remember international shipping is a [ __ ] okay actually shipping them paying
for all that like it's it's overwhelming it hurts
their ability to create content which is
one of the main reasons that lonus Tech tips does not have a patreon it's
something that we tried for Channel Super Fun and that in my mind has
largely Fallen flat um given
that like if patreon had the infrastructure so that you could more
easily provide meaningful rewards like something like a free vessel membership
at a certain Patron level that would have been really cool one thing that I
really liked was the Teespring discount idea yeah I actually loved that idea it
made made tons of sense because if if you're going to contribute to a patreon
y in my opinion one of my favorite things to buy is like a shirt yep or
like one thing that I've been interested in is like the cgp G gray sweater true
because cgp gray is great and his sweater looks cool and I was like maybe
and I might I'm not sure but like that I like that kind of stuff CU I like being
able to show support I mean all the women in the audience have wet panties
over your commitment level right now yeah my bad I'm I'm thinking about it I
just I own like literally 15 sweaters and I really really don't need any more
I just love sweaters anyways um I like the one you're wearing right now thank
you yeah I actually do like this one I've been wearing in videos more U CU
it's becoming winter time slowly anyways but I'm also wearing shorts so I don't
know what's up with that I don't know what who you are but yeah being able to give something like that would be cool
and like like we actually genuinely tried really hard to get the whole
vessel subscription thing going yeah and like doing doing things and the other
thing too is doing things that are part of a workflow yeah um where you could do
an like an exception thing like a signed hat once in a
but if you have things that are automatic like if I just create my
videos and I upload them here and then a few days later I upload them there and just automatically my patrons get this
stuff early things that happen automatically help smalltime creators MH
um so they they didn't really get any of that done and I think you know I think
if vessel had managed to figure out Partnerships like that or if they had
managed to figure out how to get their creators really on board with what they
were doing um maybe they would have had success
they had a lot of big Creator Partners
yeah but it didn't seem like they had a lot of big Creator follow through and
yeah there I think that's perfect I think a lot of the big creators saw the
immediate knee-jerk reaction of viewers
not liking have the idea of having to pay for something that they used to get
for free and went whoa whoa I'm not touching that with a 10-ft pole yeah
when the reality of it is viewers are now paying for something early that
everyone can still get for free and I think most of our audience eventually
did understand that like it it didn't didn't change almost anything you still
got like embargo date reviews exactly when they were supposed to go up you
still got a video a day like nothing ever actually changed on YouTube platform there's stuff that people think
is due to the vessel exclusivity period like the fact that we tweet about
projects that don't get released for a month but the reality of it was is that
you were going to complain if I tweeted about it and then it didn't come out for
three weeks the same as you were going to complain as if it's four weeks like
we just we do work a fair bit ahead we have a onewe buffer in addition to the
vessel onee buffer yeah for where we expect to be at for filming videos
there's projects that I will finish and I don't see go up on vessel for like a
while later because they'll just get pushed back if they're not timely if
they were a review of something like the like I think it was the Nintendo
controllers yep I did that review that's not timely those have existed for a
while that doesn't need to come out at any specific point in time y so I think
those kind of sat around we Shuffle the schedule a lot yeah so we'll prioritize
new stuff coming in that's more important yeah we do it all the time
andt and sometimes things just take a long time so the water cooled
PlayStation 4 my first email to um to uh
debrand sorry my first email to
debrand saying yo this is like a dope AF
idea you want to sponsor it was on
January 25th of 2015 or 2016 rather yeah 10 months no
nine months whatever that works out to many months before the release of the
video so like I'm sorry for that but
some of the projects we do are larger longer term projects and it just does
take some time and some of them like like I I'm I'm currently I've had a lot
of questions about this lately because and like I looked at my last personal
rig update and looked at the comments and there's a comment on there from like
two weeks ago being like so where's part
three it's been like so many months like
over a year I was like uh yeah it's very
close I have all the computer hardware parts but in part two I just did like a
theory crafting thing where I like showed people what I was thinking of doing and everyone hated that for very
good reasons cuz nothing actually like really happened in the video so this
time many of those theories at this point anyway they're like gone yeah that
test bench is literally in the garbage can right
now I'm not kidding it's being taken out
like next week I don't want it anymore it's gone it's going to be gone I guess
um so but I have all the new computer hardware including the case and
everything everything's ready to go what I'm waiting on is amethyst points and
I'm not going to explain why do you know
why I don't know why but I know I
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Squarespace is the place to go if you want to build yourself a sick dopf Sleek
website that looks great on any device whether it's a laptop a cell phone or a
big ginormous projector screen I don't
know that too many people I don't know that there are too many people who browse the web on a projector screen but
I feel like I wouldn't be doing my due diligence if I didn't find out just how
much of our audience browses the web on a projector screen how many of them
browse it on a turnip browse web on projector yes no and uh oh what do I do
uh you can just do crate poll it's actually fine okay cool so you guys you
got to you got to hit us you got to hit us in the twitch chat let us know sup so
we can uh sup you know that should have been the third option
Su um they've got 247 support via live
chat and email it's only 12 bucks a month to start and you get a free domain
if you buy Squarespace for the year and they've got lots of great features that
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that normal people can do it and this is
awesome so my dad has been here helping me with desk PC and they're involved in
this like Construction Company project they're like shareholders or something
anyway so the guy who runs the company
is taking advice from a bad it guy okay
so my dad convinced the guy running it
that they should be in charge of like the outward marketing okay so the
website is kind of under my dad which
like my dad's not not an expert by any
stretch of the imagination when it comes to like CSS freaking no okay so the
woodworking looks great so other than your with that said my yeah my my dad
would have no trouble with it if it was a Squarespace site for sure like he
could handle that no problem my mom made a beautiful website I was the salty it
guy that has the ear of the owner is
like real men have scratch coded
websites so basically he's one of those it guys that creates work to keep
himself important you know what I'm talking about oh like okay okay I can
understand Squarespace is a wonderful platform but they don't claim to be a
wonderful platform for everything they're a wonderful platform for most
things why don't I explain what the website needs to do okay it's a simple
company website who are we what do we do here are some sample floor plans and
some pictures of some homes and here's how you get in touch with us okay so he
either should have been done that website in like an hour or two or should
probably just use Squarespace just like so so so so yeah
one of the great things about Squarespace is that if you don't have a dedicated it guy to go in and update
your website for the ever evolving web standards or new browsers or whatever
else the case may be Squarespace deals with all that crap for you our Linus
Medi group.com webite has sort of this is sort of embarrassing speaking of
issues with updating we should be putting some of the new employees on it
and stuff but like basically hasn't been touched since we put it up and it still
works exactly the way it did when we first did so when you decide to sign up
for Squarespace which my dad should make
sure to use offer code when to save
10% mine still says AKA slick PC if
anyone mine still says CEO
Wait no that's right sometimes I'm not sure I thought janitor was more accurate
yeah um we have John we have Dennis we
do not have we do not have the latest three additions to
our wait four
four one two wait is my wife even on there is
he van on there
five that was pretty bad that was pretty bad the other four there
is actually Four more I'm glad she doesn't watch W show there there there
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cool all right Vine Vine is gone also
shut down also shut down Bo so Twitter
has decided that they now agree with me
why did we create a video sharing platform for 6
second videos when we already had Twitter they they they bought it like
just before it was launched so more or
less yes but I I don't I've never I've
never understood or liked Vine I've always had tons of problems because for
some reason the videos just wouldn't play most of the time I never wanted to
have the app because like I don't care so I'd try to load the videos in like a
browser which was supported and then they'd air out and they just I just why
why does it need to be 6 seconds I don't understand and I'm I'm just happy it's
gone screw it I don't care so you'll still be able to access and download
your Vines the website will continue to be online uh creators will be notified
before the company makes any additional changes to the website or app but um yep
that is that is pretty much it you know what on the subject of you saying that
you didn't want to install the app do you think that part of this is due to
and okay I I am going to I'm going to make something up because it's
possible that someone out there has talked about this or even used the same
terminology that I'm about to use but I I haven't looked into it at all but do
you think that it's due to something that I'm going to call app
fatigue okay like it used to be in the early
days of the iPhone you get excited to just like download everything yes yeah
it was like it was like holy crap there's an accelerometer I want like a
compass app or like oh now I can use my phone as like a level like like there
was there was an app for for every
stupid thing and your phone was just like like I remember my first iPhone my
iPhone 4 I had like pages and pages of
apps that sounds like a product what does my first iPhone my first iPhone I
don't know why it just does whereas now every phone gets exactly the same
load up load out of one home screen
worth of stuff so that everything is close together and organized I've always
been very stream on that I can only have one page of icons thing and I usually
don't even like it being my home screen cuz I like my home screen just being clean I just have it off to the side and
it's only one page so for me a big part
of it comes from especially on Android
especially on Android random apps crushing your B battery life yeah and
not even like due to the all the amazing
cool stuff they're doing in the background just due to shoddy coding
practices and Google's complete in ability to prevent developers from
sucking up all the power of your device and especially prevent them from
reporting that they are or not prevent them but not require them to report that
they're sucking the power do you know how many times I've like had my an
Android phone just like be hot in my
pocket hot in my pocket pull it out I've lost 30% battery in the last few hours
I'm looking at it going I go into battery and it's like Android system
Android OS having consumed everything
and like the screen's like 2% like I've hardly touched my phone that day drives
me freaking crazy so do you think that part of the motivation for this is
Twitter's question of do we need what is
already a weaker brand to distribute social media crap do
we need to try to get past the friction
that users have with installing more app more freaking apps on their
phones and finally there was another
reason one interesting thing is that almost no one even downloads any
apps if you look at like overall actual statistics in terms of smartphone usage
yeah the the majority of people don't download any apps I've got a straw poll
for you guys though in the meantime while he keeps talking um it's going to
be are you app fatigued I want to hear
from you guys and then getting up to I've been doing I've been doing way too
much research cuz I'm currently working on my review for the pixel I know the
back doesn't look normal it's cuz I have a skin on it um and yeah the majority of
people that have smartphones don't download any apps you have to realize
that this is the majority of people and now the majority of people have smartphones right so like this is this
is everyone this isn't just you guys I'm sure the majority of people watching the
show download plenty apps um but like we
are probably not even necessarily getting fatigued but we're probably
getting to a a point where we don't want anym we're down to download apps we just
want to download the ones that we know that's a type of fatigue I would argue I
would argue that's new experience fatigue kind of deal cuz I don't want
any new apps I no I just want the apps that I have to work the way that I
expect them to and I'm down for them to gain functionality yep and every once in
a while I'll throw something unusual on like oh I need to do a screen recording
or something I'll grab as screen recorder but I'll I'll like delete yeah
I'll clean it up afterwards exactly like like when Periscope came out I loved the
idea so I downloaded the app but I didn't really want to and I never really
used it cuz I was like eh I'd love to see Periscope go next well it's it's
integrated now yeah if you Periscope stream it like does it through Twitter
anyways I know but I'd love to see the Periscope app just go away no completely
because it's unnecessary that's what I'm talking about I'm down with Twitter
gaining functionality I don't want to download a new app for the same freaking
thing so this is something this is another thing that drives me crazy and this was the other point that I made
when I was wondering about the motivation and why dilute a brand yeah
you see this over and over and over again do I I I I think with cars I kind
of get it because an automobile purchase
you're trying to section things out a little bit is is such a a large purchase
and the the emotion the way you appeal emotionally to a car buyer is very
different from the way that you appeal to oh I don't know someone who's buying
in my mind like a wireless access point
um that's a very specific reference and the thing about and the thing about car
brands is that whether we're talking Toyota or Lexus they don't they don't
seem to okay so so for the most part For Better or For Worse going back to your
Acura with that horrible airbag recall yeah the actual quality of a Honda
engine is pretty much regard Ed as equal
whether you're buying an Acura or a Honda and the same goes for a Toyota
like they don't differentiate based on
the the the core functionality a Tob
don't break down they seem to be trying to deliver a pretty consistent
experience regardless of whether we're talking about one of they more premium or a sub brand the one that drives me
crazy is the brands that try to differentiate on quality by having like
a main brand like a known brand and then like a sub brand so perfect example of
this back to wireless access points is Ruckus if you know Enterprise Wi-Fi you
know Ruckus Ruckus is like bomb it's
probably what you're using if you have good Wi-Fi reception in an airport or
something and then they introduced like a lower-end brand aimed at small
businesses called xclaim I opened up the access point and
it is a Ruckus access point with like
one small difference like PCB is the same most of the internal components are
the same it's basically a firmware difference and I'm kind of looking at it
going why not just have a lower Why Try to build a brand from scratch from
nothing why not just have a lower line like a 100
series and still use the same brand because you're clearly not
differentiating on quality even if you're trying to have like a perceived
difference because it's the same product why do
this any other examples I I I know you're going to be able to answer this
but flute 16 says why I Brands LOL but
you have three YouTube channels clearly different that is that
is more to do with YouTube than it is to do with us if I could have one channel
called lonus Media Group that people could subscribe to in one click or I
could have three shows called Linus Tech
tips Techquickie and Channel Super Fun
that people could individually subscribe to that would be perfect yeah but
YouTube wasn't designed for that we don't own the distribution yes of the
videos therefore we need to we got to
play the game try to control how we can distribute them as much as we possibly
can and the best way for us to do that is to co-integrate as much as we can if
we if you go to the Linus techtips Channel and you scroll down a little bit
Techquickie is right there right there you can watch the videos right there
yeah but the the reality is that the way
that YouTube distributes video to your subscribers is heavily Al algorithm
based B such that if you know half of
our viewers weren't interested in Channel Super Fun let's say every time
this this Linus Media Group Channel dumped a Channel Super Fun video out it
would increase viewer fatigue and YouTube would stop Distributing our
videos and recommending them to people across the platform as much yeah the
more focused your channel is the more likely you are to be picked up by the
algorithm and shared and Skyrocket perfect examples of this that we've seen
in the last year um are guys like what's inside every video is the same formula
or the pneumatic thing yes you crushing thing
or someone like techrax okay you watch a techrax video you watch a what's inside
video you know what you're going to get a guy destroying an iPhone in some kind
of creative Manner and a guy and his kid
cutting something open and looking at what's inside it and that allows
channels like that to experience the kind of explosive growth that we For
Better or For Worse never will because we try to tackle a broad broad variety
but even then we're limited if we tried to start doing like pet videos on lineus
Tech tips it would hurt us in a huge way
I mean we experienced recently a a big drop in per video viewership that turned
out to be due to us just having kind of a run of about five days of videos that
were below viewer expectations in terms of the interest level and all of a
sudden our new videos as far as we could tell we're getting delivered to maybe
60% as many people and uh that's why
that's why we do what we do because we have to so the game we're
playing what else um okay lots of
questions lots of people asking about Dennis so um I got you I I don't know
I don't know how much to say or not say I guess now that it's over should I just
like be UPF front like what happened with Dennis yeah okay so uh Dennis
wasn't working here um for a long period
of time actually um basically what happened and
it comes back to uh my first
conversation with Dennis where I interviewed him and I asked him if he had a Canadian work permit and he said
yes um and didn't clarify exactly how
long his Canadian work permit was valid
for
um and uh anyway so his Canadian work
permit expired so he had fortunately he still
had visitor Visa status so he didn't actually have to like leave permanently
leave the country and go back to Taiwan but um Dennis has been gone uh while
we've been going through a very very
long tedious process that uh anyone who
wants to hire a foreign National who doesn't have um a work a work visa um
has to go through and it's called an lmia it's a labor market impact
assessment and so what we have to do is we have to demonstrate that the POS that
for the position that we want to hire in this case we want to hire Dennis
that it will not affect Canadians who are equally qualified who are also
looking for that job or that those
applicants would not be suitable for us
um so that whole process took about six
months because we actually began it long
before uh Dennis's work permit expired
and um as of I believe it was uh as of
Friday last week um I had was it Friday
last week last week I had an interview
with um with an agent who was reviewing
finally like it took months after it was submitted for anyone to even look at it
but I had an interview with the agent and it really did not look very good um
but thanks to ivonne's diligence because
she documented freaking everything like the agent was like why didn't you hire
this guy who applied and Ivon was
like okay we emailed him on this date he
emailed back on this date he got a job somewhere else and the agent's like okay
moving on to the next one like they dug deep yeah and um thanks to yvon's
diligence effective November 1st I
believe yeah Dennis is back at lus Media
Group so there you have it it has been extraordinarily stressful for us because
Dennis is as you guys know and I'm sure can appreciate an extremely valuable
member of our team here um we take a very you know no man Left Behind sort of
approach to things I'm not going to I'm not going to like I'm not bragging or
anything but like to me this kind of
thing is very important it cost us many thousands of dollars um to go through
this process um in order to make sure
that Dennis could not only get get his
work permit to work here but um it's
also probably the last one of the last steps um for him to get his permanent
residence and officially become a Canadian so um that's that's been that's
been really exciting for for me taian number one and for him so yeah there you
go that is what we have been the Journey
of Dennis has been very interesting very quiet about and uh it's actually it
feels good to get it out there because like
oh I've addressed on like my thing but
the only thing I've said the whole time is that he's not working here right now
yeah that's all we're allowed to really say so there you go it it was really
close oh man was it close um what else
we got for topics today uh sure there's something
wow Microsoft and Apple oh yeah we haven't even talked about the Microsoft
and Apple things and it's six and six uh PornHub offers to buy Vine six seconds
is more than enough and you know what considering Vine's Auto
Loop that might be true yeah there could
be some pretty creative uh pretty creative x-rated Vines I'm sure yeah I
mean many banner ads for pornographic
sites are basically
Vines you really think about it PornHub has promised to restore Vine to its not
safe for work Glory
was there like Nazi for work stuff on Vines yeah okay yeah yeah and then they
tried to clean it up and make it Advertiser friendly and then now they're closing it so that's that's the history
of Vine in 10 seconds or less um oh man
that's funny all right let's talk about the MacBook Pro so the uh original
Source here is oh hold on no I want to do those straw poles before I totally
forget yeah so browse web on projector you guys are full of crap yeah 22% of
you 22% of you projector sails go through the roof everyone starts making
them gigantic load of garbage everyone watches my dorm room Tech video and
they're like wow yeah everything in this video makes sense now okay are you app
fatigued 78% of you saying yes although I have to take these results with a
grain of salt because you guys are a bunch of freaking Liars no dude 22% are
not app fatigued and are watching this on a projector well projectors you can't
install apps on projectors bogus unless you had an LG Smart projector oh
dang all right so moving on on to the new Macbook Pro with uh and uh with a
touch strip along the top that replaces
the function bar I got to say good move I mean it's not the first time this idea
has ever come up the art lebedev Optimus keyboard was the first one to have this
idea OLED displays behind every key and
you could Pro I mean did did anyone ever get one I don't think I ever saw it
outside of concept art but uh that's like what got me interested in keyboard
yeah so I think that's what got a lot of people interested in keyboards so so
they they officially give a crap about laptops again but they don't seem to
know who they're making them for because it says right here MacBook Pro and it's
not for professionals as far as I can tell but this this raises a lot of
questions for me this here because the
13-in model unless you dock it the 13-inch model I'm I'm docking marks from
Apple that's what's getting docked right now son dang dang uh my D my scroll
isn't working a laptop dock why is my scroll considering the USB-C ports of
this thing has woo those are expensive oh man every 13in MacBook Pro has no
dedicated GPU I'm sorry are you kidding me 20 2550
for no ddy GPU no I'm I'm down I get it so you got I mean this is the thing
apple is the company pre that whips out the GPU performance slide pure four them
every time they release a new iPad or an iPhone and talks about the importance of
GPU heterogeneous compute for for for
the performance of future Computing devices I mean this can produce graphics
and then Intel Iris Graphics 550 and
then builds a professional product that goes all the way up to
$2500 Us doll hold on no we're onca
we're onca so let's be cognizant of that
let's try to go to us and see if that works okay so let's bring it up with
with the US prices all the way up to
$2,000 with eight gigs of RAM and no
graphics card and not a single typ a USB
Port I'm sold no one will ever need more than 8 gigs of
RAM I mean to be clear you can configure it with more memory oh but you would
need to so let's look at the 15inch which you
could make the argument is more of a is more of a professional great do they
even have quad cores holy crap no I missed that they don't even have dual
they don't even have quad core processors no one needs more than two
cores two cores 8 gigs of RAM like anything above that is you're just
compensating I don't even understand what this product is compensator call it
watch the video it's coming out at this is like this is like MacBook Pro for
students and I understand that it's like lots of students go buy a MacBook Pro so
so basically Apple's given up on because my whole thing with apple is that so
much of their marketing in the past has been around selling what people want to
be and selling what people want to do versus what they are and what they can
do so like an apple commercial is full of like all the amazing like videos that
you create when the the reality of it is is it's a very small subset of the
population that creates any kind of video that anyone anywhere would want to
watch Austin Evans I'm sorry Austin
Evans yeah sure I'm actually like looking for I guess are you doing a
review of yes I am you are okay yeah
I'll look forward to your video too
wow I'm interested to see what you guys say about it because the USB type-c
stuff it's actually kind of interesting losing type A is going to suck but I I
like seeing how many type C's they had
disappointed with the fact that there's no type A's what I'll tell you right now
is that I Without Really realizing what I had done because I didn't watch the
event and I didn't look that closely at the specs did you order a dual core I
ordered a dual core 13inch MacBook Pro
so I can tell you right now my review will contain a a concise but uh spirited
rant about how Apple could possibly
believe that dual core is pro for
anything um yeah so there's that I I forget where I was going with whatever I
was talking about before but four Thunderbolt 3 ports four Thunderbolt
what could I possibly need four Thunderbolt 3 ports for that I can run
with a dual C you you could charge four pixels at a time not an iPhone you can't
plug that in don't buy one of those
that's my favorite thing oh man they don't have a first-party cable I I don't
think well okay there's probably an adapter or something like that but you'd have to buy it after the fact I do not
believe the iPhone comes with a lightning to USBC connector no it
doesn't so you you could literally walk
out of an Apple store without being able to plug your iPhone into your but
remember Apple's Vision Apple has the courage to do away with wires but not
but not the courage to have wir charging or the ability to plug their own
products into each other what happened to like the insanely cohesive hard to
get out of Mac ecosystem I've heard it's still hard to get out of but like they
don't even work well properly you have to get an adapter to plug your phone
into your own Mac laptop it's wireless wireless is the future but but it's not
airport why do they call it airport I don't know are there planes do you uh I
don't no I don't know I going to say do you do and then I was like wait nope
that's that's Star Citizen or Eve nope nope nope um what are we even talking
about right now okay so right right I wanted to talk I wanted to talk about
the specs of the 15in I I'm like I'm screwed I can't believe I just ordered a
dual core laptop for like $3,000 can
dbrand ordered it CU they're sending it skinned like I I might have to I might
have to get in touch with dbrand be like yo whoa hold on hold on hold on um hold
on okay so dude you could get 16 gigs of memory that's two times the amount that
you need it gets even worse okay so the 15 in has whopping radon Pro 450
Graphics oh dang for 2400 to 2800
us dang two gigs of vram hell yeah I
mean this is one of those you don't even get any more ports I thought they'd give
you you know five at least Thunderbolt Thunderbolt three ports you need that
fifth one dude you got to have it I uh I
wonder if you could okay nah I'm not even going to bring that up could you
like okay no I'm interested now the it I doubt it because the power there's no
way the power supply would be able to take this but could you like plug it in
through all of those ports to charge this has got to be the stupidest
thing I've ever said but like does it dynamically know if one of them is
receiving power and it'll turn receiving power off on all the other ports I'll be perfectly honest with you like I said I
did not watch the keynote okay so it's possible that there's actually a
dedicated charging port I'm not sure okay I'll have to look again like I
don't I I was wondering if you if you plug in a bunch of type-c devices and
put them all to like charge the other device is that going to like screw the MacBook up or how does that even work I
I don't think so I've never tried it should be correctly should be correctly
managed um so yeah I color me not
impressed I do not agree that it's a touch of Genius I love the huge trackpad
I love the idea of the dynamically
reconfigurable function row I think that is a step forward and
um is a great move um I am not a fan of the io but hey
oh yeah no they do charge via the USB type-c port so there you go oh I knew it
charged through that I was wondering how they deal with the multiple ports yep um
so it does have a headphone jack at least it has that going for it yeah it
looks great it's really thin but I don't I can't think of a reason why it should
be this thin and give up having a decent
GPU and in the case of the 13inch uh a
GPU at all and a proper CPU you want know what's kind of funny
can I help you you were talking about Dennis and he said that the MacBook doesn't have a single tie pay USB a typ
a oh type oh type A I know oh thanks
that's the joke thanks thank
you single Ty have you seen his hair
who's have you seen his hair his hair hair I don't think he even noticed after
he told me to cut my yeah no I don't I don't I don't notice I don't notice if
you get a haircut I notice if you haven't had one in like four months yeah
I get my money's worth when I get haircuts yeah oh is it are you bald no
oh but it's like mostly yeah that's good that's looks
good Taiwan number one Taiwan number one Taiwan number one so uh well by the way
you guys were right we haven't even made it through the four topics yet I told
you it would be a four topic W four topic w okay let's talk let's talk
surface studio all right so we didn't get to see
this so we wanted to go to the launch
for this but we had what like 3 days notice no no no no no no no to be fair
to them they they gave us way more notice than that okay but we were just
in a situation where you were like you
were out I had pneumonia we didn't know what was happening so like we didn't
have someone to send and we didn't know what it was going to be about we didn't
know that it was going to be like a ball
like super NDA I'm sure wer allowed to
say anything they were like you should really go it's like right up your alley
but then the only picture that I had about it said like an update for Windows
or something or like the future of Windows I think it was the future of
Windows the rumor was that it was going to be about Windows and then yeah and
then there was a rumor at the exact same time that was about another just
software update to Windows so I was like uh okay so evidence that Microsoft
understands what the word professional means yeah uh even though they didn't
even use it but they they are they they have Pro in creative
process so there's that okay um this is
a Ballin machine this thing is super cool it's expensive but to be clear I
wasn't complaining about the price more expensive than the MacBook Pro of the MacBook Pro yeah I wasn't complaining
about the price of the MacBook Pro what I was complaining about was was that it
has the word Pro in the name if you just called it
MacBook and you just made it like a
Macbook for like people who like MacBooks then sure great MacBook light
charge as much as you want for it what I don't like is calling it pro when it
doesn't even have a discrete GPU in it and it has 8 gigs of RAM and a dual core
that is not pro that is consumer that is
very consumer grade um so anyway the surface Studio 28 in high resolution
display quad core core i7 processor
comes with a pen so you can draw which is freaking cool um you can have up to a
4 gig GTX 980m GPU which I'm guessing is
only because of the long development cycle for a product like this I would
expect a refresh at some point with some kind of Pascal based GPU they could get
a 1060 in there TDP wise no problem up
to 32 gigs of RAM thank you 980m I think
they could fit a TDP wise 1070 couldn't they no not quite I'm I'm pretty sure
we'd be looking at 1060 okay cuz that's what we got on uh blade 14 which had a
970m but I think 1070 is too much more
kind of thing like it's okay cuz I what the understanding I had was that it was
one down you might be right maybe I'm not
sure though but then like you also said that the configurability of the tdps on
those things is insane so like who knows y so um 4500 by 3,000 resolution display
uh it can handle uh srgb DC3 and Vivid
color profiles it's a 10-point multitouch it's a 3x2 aspect ratio like
again people who understand
Pro know that the square display is
actually pretty badass I would like to
see them have an accompany display so that I could have a dual a dual display
set up that that you could use in the same way yeah so I could have two 3x2
displays not that you can't expand the displays with something else but you
can't do the same format you can't get the same there's some special
functionality that comes with it one thing that is missing that I would have
liked to see and I know that it's like not the hugest thing on for PC is I
would have liked to see Thunderbolt um because it is becoming more of a thing
on especially mobile PCS
um but I still feel pretty darn good
about this and I love that at least if they're thing man at least if they're
going to charge a bunch of money for
a they've got this really cool like full
down fantastic beautiful display
powerful thing that uh kind of excites
me Xbox wireless built in the fact that it doesn't include office it's kind of
frustrating I think that that's an opportunity that Microsoft has to offer
value on their Hardware products that um
in my mind shouldn't cannibalize um shouldn't cannibalize
Standalone office sales really that much they did it with the Surface RT for
example where they're like this is an awful product what could we possibly do
to move a few units you get office get office the one the one app that was ever
made for like ARM Windows that matters
yeah yay yeah um so yeah I'm really
looking forward to checking this out have we like thing are we getting one
we're getting one we haven't ordered one but we are getting one okay good yeah
all right just making sure wow I had a like Panic moment there for a minute the
dial thing oh sorry Does it show the dial thing anywhere here the dial thing
how does it not show the dial thing the yay this thing is so cool have you seen
it in the video so like they put it on the screen straight up on the screen I
don't know how it fixes itself there I'm assuming there's a type of like rubbery
something on the bottom cuz I'm sure it's not magnets through the screen I
don't know how it works I mean magnets don't affect LCDs the way that they did
affect CRTs like it I don't know might yeah but I just I just I doubt it yeah I
don't think so any anyways it and it can be used for different things so in one
situation they turn the dial and it rotates the image another situation it's
a color wheel and you're able to turn and change the color wheel with one hand
while you like stroke paint with the other hand so they had gradient paint
going through as the person's changing it that's really cool very cool I don't
do the art stuff but I like physical control of things so being able to turn
that to select your color would actually be pretty awesome I don't do the art
stuff Luke lafrenier 2016 yeah it's
probably pretty accurate have you seen me try to do anything that's artistic
yes it's pretty bad I know I can manage cables pretty well that's good yeah all
right so speaking of things that we do well ending the show
by Rolling the intro okay we don't do that well but
we've had a pretty good track record lately yeah watch it not work this time
thanks for watching guys see you again next week bye
hey oh we have to destroy the cable we
come back after the out yeah
uh no no no no no I just want this
cable I'm going to make this cable my bch is it stuck on something hold onug
hold on uh no no I think I unplugged it
unless I didn't in which case I would not have oh no I I did not unplug it
okay okay so it appears as though the
cable was indeed the problem so here we
go Hulk Edition line of
Sebastian hold on Good Luck cuz this is going to be pretty intense cable to you
think so yeah pretty intense cable to break yeah what are you
grabbing all right ready Hulk Edition Linus oh yeah
okay here we go
a yeah
boom I went and got these and everything
just I hid these behind my back didn't even need them see you next week guys
good job