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I don't care if you hate me because of the title but it's the truth in my mind

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the Mac Mini M4 it it might be small but it's dead I don't care anymore because

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even though they already had tough competition with computers like the ms01

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with a 13900 hcpu it's it's not even a competition

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anymore because for pretty much close to

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the same amount of money you can now get the MS A2 this is just like the ms01 a

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small form factor computer with a ton of expandability except it has a CPU that

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is damn near twice as fast that's right everyone we finally have an AMD powered

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version of the ms1 I have been asking for this since it came out and they

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finally did it so let's check it out we'll get to the performance in a little

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bit that's what I'm most excited about but first let's take a look at the computer itself we got a combo audio

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jack here power button two USB 5 gig

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type A ports and then a USB 2.0 and then on the back we've got basically the same

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IO as the ms01 which is great that means we still have dual 10 GB SFP plus ports

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here thank God they're also still Intel chipset powered which means they're not

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like Jen a qua ncks you're going to get reliable performance out of them we got

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two 2.5 gig rj45s and then it gets a little bit

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complicated because it's now an AMD CPU there isn't native USB 4 support and

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these two ports are actually just 10 gig type-c despite the uh label saying USB 4

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and then we've got HDMI 2.0 which might Ela be 2.1 she wasn't sure 10 gig type 5

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gig type and the power jack because it has 10 gig that means I get to compare

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to the 10 gig Mac Mini uh which is $700 and we'll get to the price of this

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one in a minute but I think you're going to like it now aside from the GPU

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putting the original ms01 and the new msa2 with AMD power uh they look very

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similar there are a few differences for the keite amongst you you might notice

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the fan is a little bit different apparently they had some problems with this one if you look really closely like

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on the edge here you can actually see the heat sink under here is copper

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instead of aluminum uh which is an upgrade you might expect given that this

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system on average draws around 20 WTS more than the Intel one more power but

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also 1.9 two times the performance not

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really complaining got my Precision screwdriver kit here LTT Store.com

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perfect for disassembling and reassembling small computers like uh

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these Min for I want to see if the heat tank looks any different it definitely is a different color that's a copper

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heat tank if I've ever seen one other than that the internal layout and to be

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honest a lot of the components are basically identical we still have the

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memory slots here so we got two ddr5 sodm slots not ECC supported and they

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still have the same pte slot which looks like a by6 one but is electrically by8

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it is Gen 4 though so you've got a ton of bandwidth there still uh enough

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bandwidth and power that you can actually put a GPU in here which is a

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really awesome use case like this one which is kind of a weird GPU it's an RTX

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4060 but the laptop chip put into a half

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height single slot card although it's made by a Chinese company and they don't

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really sell them in North America I think you can find them on AliExpress or

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tbell but if you're not into that you can also put an RTX 2000 Ada in here um

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and I've even actually seen an aftermarket RTX 4000 Ada cooler that

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makes it a single slot car and it probably overheats but still kind of

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cool it definitely looks like a beefier fan it's not like a liquid met crazy

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thermal solution like you would see on like a790 um they have a little more space

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here so it's not necessary but you could probably upgrade the thermal paste

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yourself uh if you wanted to do that I know on ours we actually put PTM 7950 in

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there on the back side it looks pretty much the same you can see that the

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bracket for the back of the CPU is a little different um there is still the

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same amount of m.2 slots but there are a few small changes namely there's no

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longer a switch to go between m.2 and u.2 because mini for includes a little

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u.2 SSD adapter for these machines

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sometimes people wouldn't switch the switch and then you can would it damage

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the motherboard or just the SSD sounds like just the SSD but even then it

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probably would have been fine unless it's like a SATA one even then it doesn't really matter anymore because

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they fix the problem instead of having a little switch where you could screw it

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up you can't screw it up anymore instead when you use the U2 adapter board

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there's just a little connector for power just for the U2 so no way to screw

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that up and we do still have three m.2 slots but even better is that we have

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more PCIe Lanes instead of just being gen 4x4 gen 3x4 and gen 3x2 it's now 4x4

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4x4 3x4 so there's a lot more PCIe back

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here which means your SSD is going to run faster I ask them please God can we

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have a version that has two u.2 ssds please post in the comments if you want

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that that would make this the craziest machine ever you could put like 60 terab

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of kyok ssds in here just tell them below Min Forum MSA 2 with two .2 ssds

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please thank you we still got Wi-Fi 6C and Bluetooth 5.2 over here um I think

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that's all for this oh the fan bracket they don't have it here because this is

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still kind of an early unit although it does work um but there will be a newer

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fan bracket that works a little bit better in this area uh we just we'll

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have to wait and see what that looks like it it's very similar it's almost the same damn machine but uh I guess

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performance of this machine but it is genuinely really awesome it's equipped

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with a ryzen 979 45 HX which is a 16

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core 32 thread monster of a mobile chip

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it has a 55 wat TDP stock but mini form

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actually cranks it up to 85 watts in the performance profile and then they also

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have two other profiles balanced and Silent which are 75 watt and 60 watt

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respectively at least for now they said these numbers could change but

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regardless you can adjust it in the BIOS to change between them and at least according to like PassMark synthetic

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Benchmark numbers it's around 1.9 time

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faster multi-threaded it's genuinely

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just kind of a monster of a CPU now it's worth mentioning if you use your ms1 or

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msa2 without a graphics card the AMD

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chip actually has quite a bit worse integrated Graphics um you can of course

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add a GPU and if you need to do Graphics related stuff you should probably just

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add a GPU but it is worth noting and I think with that we should try a cine

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bench right I was hoping to have the ms01 running side by side so we could

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drag race them but but the one that they brought to the show got damaged in shipping unfortunately it got a

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seriously Hefty Bonk look at that though 100 Watts uh it does have two power

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limits so it will boost up to 100 Watts

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for a short amount of time and then it drops down to like 80

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85 um let's see what it pulls off I mean

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you could in theory customize it in the BIOS like if you put like some beefier

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thermal paste look at that

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31,000 and that's with HW info running

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this is a pre-production like prototype system they're not expecting to have

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this out until like around April time frame um so these numbers might change a

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little bit but ballpark 30,000 plus cine bench score that's uh almost double the

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previous and uh a quite a bit faster than a base Mac Mini

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M4 this thing freaking rips I mean look at that it's pretty much the same speed

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if not a little bit faster than a 32 core second gen Threadripper it's crazy

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how far we've come now at launch they targeting a price of around $600 to

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$700 which does put it right in comparison pricing with a Mac Mini M4 um

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considering it has 10 gig the Mac Mini M4 with 10 gig is $700 so if they get

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closer to 600 you actually could justify a 256 gig SSD and 16 gigs of RAM and be

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the same price with way more expansion

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way faster speeds you don't have macOS but if you're a tinkerer or you need the

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expansion seriously a freaking awesome

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system now there are also going to

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potentially be other models they're going to do like an SE with a lower-end

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CPU maybe no 10 GB but it'll be quite a bit cheaper and then if AMD releases a

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newer version of this CPU they'll probably do like a msa2 s or Pro or

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something like that and if you happen to be deploying these as like uh mini

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workstations on a fleet of systems it is

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worth mentioning that the AMD CPU don't have Intel vpro which is like a Remote

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Management setup um so do with that what

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you will you might need kvms you might need to find a different way to manage it but godamn that performance but

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that's not all they weren't done this is the N5 Pro which um I guess the name got

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changed pretty recently cuz it was done in Sharpie but I like it honestly the

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old name was a little bit too close to ms01 N5 Pro is a little bit better this

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as you might guess is a normal hard drive n chassis

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it's seemingly based primarily kind of

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on the ms01 layout you have the RAM over here the CPU over here PC slot over here

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very very similar there are a few differences the board is a little bit

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longer there is a connector here for power and SATA to the hard drives that

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are inside but I mean other than that oh

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it's like it's inverted right cuz these are usually over here on an ms01 it's

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similar Vibe if you put it like this you almost couldn't even tell but it's a a

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little bit different let's look at the actual machine though cuz I think that's

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a little bit more important oh it is Hefty uh there is USB 4 on this one

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which is nice because it uses a different CPU we'll get to that in a sec it's got an ocul link Port which is

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always a nice touch that gives you a PCI gen 4x4 connection that you could use

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with an egpu or something of the like it's got HDMI 2.0 5 gig USB type a 10

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gig Ethernet 5 gig Ethernet and USB 2.0

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that's a mouthful but it's a lot of IO I'm not complaining

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we also have fans up here which is obviously different it's a little bit

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taller than an ms01 but as you probably guessed with the motherboard I've shown

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you before it comes out that's sick you can get a better

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idea of what it looks like when it's all filled up here this is a gen 4x4 PC

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connection now instead uh the CPU that they use in this which is a ryzen ai9 HX

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370 has a little bit less PCI lanes and

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because of the hard drives and stuff they kind of have to allocate it differently so this only has buy four

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and then on the back this is what I want

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in the MSA 2 two u.2 drives oh my God

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this is the best thing ever so you can have

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five big hard drives I guess you could put 24 terab drives in you put 32 terab

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drives in there if you wanted and then you can also have two ud2 drives that

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means I mean combined what are we talking like 30 like 160 terab of hard

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drive and then like man they make 60 terb U2 drives so you could have like

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almost 300 tab of storage in this little machine that's kind of crazy so the u2s

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one of them is Gen 4x1 and the other one is Gen 4x2 and then this guy up here is

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also gen 4x1 so you're going to lose some Peak Performance especially if you

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were to put like gen 3 drives in here um but it is kind of a limitation of the

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platform itself and there's not a ton they can do about that it's still

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awesome I mean if you think about it you're going to be limited by your network throughput on a device like this

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even if you were to put like a dual 25 gig network card in here it's going to

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be hard to push ssds faster than gen 4x1

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or gen 4x2 but it's a sick little cartridge I

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want to like let's check out the hard drives on the bottom we can get a quick

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look at how this mounts there's usually two little screws that hold the tray in

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place um but I took those out ahead of time on the front we've got USB 4 which

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is do Thunderbolt if you want 40 gbit there and then a 10 gig type A and and

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here is our hard drives oh oh my god

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oh that feels amazing it's so crunchy

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wow okay let's you got to give it a good

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tug but there you go look at that it's just a 2 terb

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Barracuda uh oh here look they tooless that's nice I just pulls off there boom

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Oh it even has little rubber mounts nice anti vibration baby and if you don't you

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don't want it to be tooless you can still just screw them in they also

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support 2.5 in ssds with these holes here so you could have like an all solid

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state Nas If you want we've got it booted up with proxmox now but that's

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something we should probably talk about they don't exactly know what operating

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system they're going to ship these machines with if you aren't buying the barebones uh we'll get into the pricing

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in a sec um this is going to be like a

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second half of 2025 release date for this product um so they are reaching out

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to certain Nas operating system companies to try to sort something out

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but um if you buy Bare Bones like I would install trass or hexos the company

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lus invested in either way we can at least get a look at the CPU that's in

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this one it is an AI 9 HX Pro 370 from

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AMD this CPU not quite as powerful as

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the one in the MSA 2 but it does have a way beefier GPU this is more of like a

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gaming console kind of chip which for an ass you might think is a little weird

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but consider you might use this as a Plex server in which case having a GPU

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for Trans coating is awesome it's a 12 core chip four of which are full fat Zen

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5 CPU cores and then the remaining eight are Zen 5c CPUs AMD doesn't really call

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them efficiency cores like Intel because it's still technically like the same

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core just with a little bit less cash and kind of shrunk down um but it is

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lower frequency so I mean let's be honest they're basically efficiency

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cores that is another reason this doesn't have like a 7945 HX it's a Nas

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you don't really want it to be crazy on the power draw situation uh out of the

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box this is going to be configured probably around 45 Watts uh but it is a

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28 watt stock TDP chip it has that 16

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compute unit rdna 3 plus GPU that will

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definitely rip and it even has AMD's xdna npu as part of the CPU but it's not

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enabled yet and it very well might not be by the time it comes out now as a Nas

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some of you might be wondering what kind of memory is it it's ddr5 sodum just

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like the MS series I showed you it's right there but because it's AMD's pro

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series of Chip it technically supports unbuffered ECC and if we look on the

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system here in our prox MOX we can see boom multi-bit

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ECC so it supports it I have heard some

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like weird things about these chips and the ECC being funky um you guys should

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probably look into that but in theory according to AMD un buffer DCC it's on

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it's working I pulled out the extra empty

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Drive slot so we can get a look inside of here you can actually see the back

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plane inside of there it's not using a SATA controller on the CPU I don't even

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know if these modern laptop CPUs even have them maybe and if they do it's

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probably like one instead they're using two PCI gen 3 Lanes from the CPU

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connected to a j Micron SATA controller

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so that is taking the PC connections making SATA connections out of it and

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you should be able to get full speed out of all five drives I guess that just

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just leaves us to talk about the price now this is a very competitive space you

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can get 2 3 4 maybe even five bay Nas units in the realm of two three 400

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bucks us um this is going to be probably

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around 800 but it does come with a lot

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more than units like that do you have a PCIe slot you can use which some of the

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other ones do has a way faster CPU a lot of GPU horsepower it's way more

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expandable with dual U2 and or technically 3M do2s depending on how you

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want to configure it overall pretty cool machine it could be a little bit on the

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high end of price for what your average home user wants out of a machine like

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this but if you're a bit more of a nerd and you want more expansion there's not

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a ton of other options in the space I've even seen people start using like MSO

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1's with a external SATA controller like connected to a jbod which is

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crazy but it's cool to see mini form expanding into a new space and I can't

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wait to try it once it's actually out who knows I wonder what OS they're going

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to put on this thing hopefully not Windows don't put Windows on it she's

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shaking her head no Windows so thanks for watching guys if you like this video

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hit the like button make sure you comment down below to tell minis for

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that the msa2 should have a new version that fits to .2 ssds thank you

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appreciate it let's see what they got next year