{"video_id":"llnf3Vnzcxs","title":"The M4 Mac Mini is dead to me - Minisforum at CES 2025","channel":"ShortCircuit","show":"ShortCircuit","published_at":"2025-05-04T14:58:16Z","duration_s":1070,"segments":[{"start_s":0.16,"end_s":7.24,"text":"I don't care if you hate me because of the title but it's the truth in my mind","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":4.44,"end_s":10.559,"text":"the Mac Mini M4 it it might be small but it's dead I don't care anymore because","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":9.04,"end_s":15.52,"text":"even though they already had tough competition with computers like the ms01","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":13.04,"end_s":21.439,"text":"with a 13900 hcpu it's it's not even a competition","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":18.359,"end_s":23.48,"text":"anymore because for pretty much close to","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":21.439,"end_s":29.96,"text":"the same amount of money you can now get the MS A2 this is just like the 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everyone we finally have an AMD powered version of the ms1 I have been asking for this since it came out and they finally did it so let's check it out we'll get to the performance in a little bit that's what I'm most excited about but first let's take a look at the computer itself we got a combo audio jack here power button two USB 5 gig type A ports and then a USB 2.0 and then on the back we've got basically the same IO as the ms01 which is great that means we still have dual 10 GB SFP plus ports here thank God they're also still Intel chipset powered which means they're not like Jen a qua ncks you're going to get reliable performance out of them we got two 2.5 gig rj45s and then it gets a little bit complicated because it's now an AMD CPU there isn't native USB 4 support and these two ports are actually just 10 gig type-c despite the uh label saying USB 4 and then we've got HDMI 2.0 which might Ela be 2.1 she wasn't sure 10 gig type 5 gig type and the power jack because it has 10 gig that means I get to compare to the 10 gig Mac Mini uh which is $700 and we'll get to the price of this one in a minute but I think you're going to like it now aside from the GPU putting the original ms01 and the new msa2 with AMD power uh they look very similar there are a few differences for the keite amongst you you might notice the fan is a little bit different apparently they had some problems with this one if you look really closely like on the edge here you can actually see the heat sink under here is copper instead of aluminum uh which is an upgrade you might expect given that this system on average draws around 20 WTS more than the Intel one more power but also 1.9 two times the performance not really complaining got my Precision screwdriver kit here LTT Store.com perfect for disassembling and reassembling small computers like uh these Min for I want to see if the heat tank looks any different it definitely is a different color that's a copper heat tank if I've ever seen one other than that the internal layout and to be honest a lot of the components are basically identical we still have the memory slots here so we got two ddr5 sodm slots not ECC supported and they still have the same pte slot which looks like a by6 one but is electrically by8 it is Gen 4 though so you've got a ton of bandwidth there still uh enough bandwidth and power that you can actually put a GPU in here which is a really awesome use case like this one which is kind of a weird GPU it's an RTX 4060 but the laptop chip put into a half height single slot card although it's made by a Chinese company and they don't really sell them in North America I think you can find them on AliExpress or tbell but if you're not into that you can also put an RTX 2000 Ada in here um and I've even actually seen an aftermarket RTX 4000 Ada cooler that makes it a single slot car and it probably overheats but still kind of cool it definitely looks like a beefier fan it's not like a liquid met crazy thermal solution like you would see on like a790 um they have a little more space here so it's not necessary but you could probably upgrade the thermal paste yourself uh if you wanted to do that I know on ours we actually put PTM 7950 in there on the back side it looks pretty much the same you can see that the bracket for the back of the CPU is a little different um there is still the same amount of m.2 slots but there are a few small changes namely there's no longer a switch to go between m.2 and u.2 because mini for includes a little u.2 SSD adapter for these machines sometimes people wouldn't switch the switch and then you can would it damage the motherboard or just the SSD sounds like just the SSD but even then it probably would have been fine unless it's like a SATA one even then it doesn't really matter anymore because they fix the problem instead of having a little switch where you could screw it up you can't screw it up anymore instead when you use the U2 adapter board there's just a little connector for power just for the U2 so no way to screw that up and we do still have three m.2 slots but even better is that we have more PCIe Lanes instead of just being gen 4x4 gen 3x4 and gen 3x2 it's now 4x4 4x4 3x4 so there's a lot more PCIe back here which means your SSD is going to run faster I ask them please God can we have a version that has two u.2 ssds please post in the comments if you want that that would make this the craziest machine ever you could put like 60 terab of kyok ssds in here just tell them below Min Forum MSA 2 with two .2 ssds please thank you we still got Wi-Fi 6C and Bluetooth 5.2 over here um I think that's all for this oh the fan bracket they don't have it here because this is still kind of an early unit although it does work um but there will be a newer fan bracket that works a little bit better in this area uh we just we'll have to wait and see what that looks like it it's very similar it's almost the same damn machine but uh I guess that means 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didn't I've been teasing you about the performance of this machine but it is genuinely really awesome it's equipped with a ryzen 979 45 HX which is a 16 core 32 thread monster of a mobile chip it has a 55 wat TDP stock but mini form actually cranks it up to 85 watts in the performance profile and then they also have two other profiles balanced and Silent which are 75 watt and 60 watt respectively at least for now they said these numbers could change but regardless you can adjust it in the BIOS to change between them and at least according to like PassMark synthetic Benchmark numbers it's around 1.9 time faster multi-threaded it's genuinely just kind of a monster of a CPU now it's worth mentioning if you use your ms1 or msa2 without a graphics card the AMD chip actually has quite a bit worse integrated Graphics um you can of course add a GPU and if you need to do Graphics related stuff you should probably just add a GPU but it is worth noting and I think with that we should try a cine bench right I was hoping to have the ms01 running side by side so we could drag race them but but the one that they brought to the show got damaged in shipping unfortunately it got a seriously Hefty Bonk look at that though 100 Watts uh it does have two power limits so it will boost up to 100 Watts for a short amount of time and then it drops down to like 80 85 um let's see what it pulls off I mean you could in theory customize it in the BIOS like if you put like some beefier thermal paste look at that 31,000 and that's with HW info running this is a pre-production like prototype system they're not expecting to have this out until like around April time frame um so these numbers might change a little bit but ballpark 30,000 plus cine bench score that's uh almost double the previous and uh a quite a bit faster than a base Mac Mini M4 this thing freaking rips I mean look at that it's pretty much the same speed if not a little bit faster than a 32 core second gen Threadripper it's crazy how far we've come now at launch they targeting a price of around $600 to $700 which does put it right in comparison pricing with a Mac Mini M4 um considering it has 10 gig the Mac Mini M4 with 10 gig is $700 so if they get closer to 600 you actually could justify a 256 gig SSD and 16 gigs of RAM and be the same price with way more expansion way faster speeds you don't have macOS but if you're a tinkerer or you need the expansion seriously a freaking awesome system now there are also going to potentially be other models they're going to do like an SE with a lower-end CPU maybe no 10 GB but it'll be quite a bit cheaper and then if AMD releases a newer version of this CPU they'll probably do like a msa2 s or Pro or something like that and if you happen to be deploying these as like uh mini workstations on a fleet of systems it is worth mentioning that the AMD CPU don't have Intel vpro which is like a Remote Management setup um so do with that what you will you might need kvms you might need to find a different way to manage it but godamn that performance but that's not all they weren't done this is the N5 Pro which um I guess the name got changed pretty recently cuz it was done in Sharpie but I like it honestly the old name was a little bit too close to ms01 N5 Pro is a little bit better this as you might guess is a normal hard drive n chassis it's seemingly based primarily kind of on the ms01 layout you have the RAM over here the CPU over here PC slot over here very very similar there are a few differences the board is a little bit longer there is a connector here for power and SATA to the hard drives that are inside but I mean other than that oh it's like it's inverted right cuz these are usually over here on an ms01 it's similar Vibe if you put it like this you almost couldn't even tell but it's a a little bit different let's look at the actual machine though cuz I think that's a little bit more important oh it is Hefty uh there is USB 4 on this one which is nice because it uses a different CPU we'll get to that in a sec it's got an ocul link Port which is always a nice touch that gives you a PCI gen 4x4 connection that you could use with an egpu or something of the like it's got HDMI 2.0 5 gig USB type a 10 gig Ethernet 5 gig Ethernet and USB 2.0 that's a mouthful but it's a lot of IO I'm not complaining we also have fans up here which is obviously different it's a little bit taller than an ms01 but as you probably guessed with the motherboard I've shown you before it comes out that's sick you can get a better idea of what it looks like when it's all filled up here this is a gen 4x4 PC connection now instead uh the CPU that they use in this which is a ryzen ai9 HX 370 has a little bit less PCI lanes and because of the hard drives and stuff they kind of have to allocate it differently so this only has buy four and then on the back this is what I want in the MSA 2 two u.2 drives oh my God this is the best thing ever so you can have five big hard drives I guess you could put 24 terab drives in you put 32 terab drives in there if you wanted and then you can also have two ud2 drives that means I mean combined what are we talking like 30 like 160 terab of hard drive and then like man they make 60 terb U2 drives so you could have like almost 300 tab of storage in this little machine that's kind of crazy so the u2s one of them is Gen 4x1 and the other one is Gen 4x2 and then this guy up here is also gen 4x1 so you're going to lose some Peak Performance especially if you were to put like gen 3 drives in here um but it is kind of a limitation of the platform itself and there's not a ton they can do about that it's still awesome I mean if you think about it you're going to be limited by your network throughput on a device like this even if you were to put like a dual 25 gig network card in here it's going to be hard to push ssds faster than gen 4x1 or gen 4x2 but it's a sick little cartridge I want to like let's check out the hard drives on the bottom we can get a quick look at how this mounts there's usually two little screws that hold the tray in place um but I took those out ahead of time on the front we've got USB 4 which is do Thunderbolt if you want 40 gbit there and then a 10 gig type A and and here is our hard drives oh oh my god oh that feels amazing it's so crunchy wow okay let's you got to give it a good tug but there you go look at that it's just a 2 terb Barracuda uh oh here look they tooless that's nice I just pulls off there boom Oh it even has little rubber mounts nice anti vibration baby and if you don't you don't want it to be tooless you can still just screw them in they also support 2.5 in ssds with these holes here so you could have like an all solid state Nas If you want we've got it booted up with proxmox now but that's something we should probably talk about they don't exactly know what operating system they're going to ship these machines with if you aren't buying the barebones uh we'll get into the pricing in a sec um this is going to be like a second half of 2025 release date for this product um so they are reaching out to certain Nas operating system companies to try to sort something out but um if you buy Bare Bones like I would install trass or hexos the company lus invested in either way we can at least get a look at the CPU that's in this one it is an AI 9 HX Pro 370 from AMD this CPU not quite as powerful as the one in the MSA 2 but it does have a way beefier GPU this is more of like a gaming console kind of chip which for an ass you might think is a little weird but consider you might use this as a Plex server in which case having a GPU for Trans coating is awesome it's a 12 core chip four of which are full fat Zen 5 CPU cores and then the remaining eight are Zen 5c CPUs AMD doesn't really call them efficiency cores like Intel because it's still technically like the same core just with a little bit less cash and kind of shrunk down um but it is lower frequency so I mean let's be honest they're basically efficiency cores that is another reason this doesn't have like a 7945 HX it's a Nas you don't really want it to be crazy on the power draw situation uh out of the box this is going to be configured probably around 45 Watts uh but it is a 28 watt stock TDP chip it has that 16 compute unit rdna 3 plus GPU that will definitely rip and it even has AMD's xdna npu as part of the CPU but it's not enabled yet and it very well might not be by the time it comes out now as a Nas some of you might be wondering what kind of memory is it it's ddr5 sodum just like the MS series I showed you it's right there but because it's AMD's pro series of Chip it technically supports unbuffered ECC and if we look on the system here in our prox MOX we can see boom multi-bit ECC so it supports it I have heard some like weird things about these chips and the ECC being funky um you guys should probably look into that but in theory according to AMD un buffer DCC it's on it's working I pulled out the extra empty Drive slot so we can get a look inside of here you can actually see the back plane inside of there it's not using a SATA controller on the CPU I don't even know if these modern laptop CPUs even have them maybe and if they do it's probably like one instead they're using two PCI gen 3 Lanes from the CPU connected to a j Micron SATA controller so that is taking the PC connections making SATA connections out of it and you should be able to get full speed out of all five drives I guess that just just leaves us to talk about the price now this is a very competitive space you can get 2 3 4 maybe even five bay Nas units in the realm of two three 400 bucks us um this is going to be probably around 800 but it does come with a lot more than units like that do you have a PCIe slot you can use which some of the other ones do has a way faster CPU a lot of GPU horsepower it's way more expandable with dual U2 and or technically 3M do2s depending on how you want to configure it overall pretty cool machine it could be a little bit on the high end of price for what your average home user wants out of a machine like this but if you're a bit more of a nerd and you want more expansion there's not a ton of other options in the space I've even seen people start using like MSO 1's with a external SATA controller like connected to a jbod which is crazy but it's cool to see mini form expanding into a new space and I can't wait to try it once it's actually out who knows I wonder what OS they're going to put on this thing hopefully not Windows don't put Windows on it she's shaking her head no Windows so thanks for watching guys if you like this video hit the like button make sure you comment down below to tell minis for that the msa2 should have a new version that fits to .2 ssds thank you appreciate it let's see what they got next year"}