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hey sir they found it you better get over here now

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oh oh nevermind yeah no sorry false

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alarm uh yeah i thought they were gonna take the fast one

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yeah you have a good night

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this is the pc pro 32 000 worth of pc

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hardware so fast it'll knock your socks right out of your sandals let's take a

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look inside at the uh beautiful power supply provided by our

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sponsor c sonic who makes great power supplies for everything from entry-level

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gaming rigs to servers to monsters like

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this

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the 2019 mac pro is a thing of beauty and there's no denying that it's

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powerful ours here is equipped with 28 processing

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cores 768 gigabytes of memory it's got an AMD

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Radeon vega pro duo a graphics card so exclusive you can only get it in this

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machine and it's got one small problem macs aren't known for their bang for the

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buck so then even if i had a lot of

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bucks 33 000 of them to be precise here

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would i be better off with one of these or

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one of these with the pc pro our goal was to create a

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machine that beats the mac pro in every

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conceivable way starting with the case

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this inwin 2 2.0 is one of only 300

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units in existence and it's one of the few pc cases that i think is truly

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striking enough to take on the mac pro the outside is covered in five

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millimeter thick tempered glass that has been vacuum sputter coated to create an

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incredible one-way mirror that only shows off your hardware when internal

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lighting is applied the process is a little deeper than we have time for now

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but it's super freaking cool so watch this video from applied science later on

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all of that tempered glass is held in place by an aluminum frame that was

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welded by hand giving it the distinctive

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geometric look that it has now hearing words like welded by hand and

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vacuum sputter coating and one of three hundred you'd probably guess that this

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is worth a pretty penny and at two thousand dollars

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you'd be correct so for that price how good is it to build in not good very bad

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all right so hardware access then

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mac pro one pc pro zero now alex i can't help but

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notice that we've got two monitors hooked up to the pc pro and only one to

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the mac yeah the second one there is just for

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the post sequence so you know that it's actually doing something after you hit

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the power button of course it is i feel like i know how this is going to work

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out but let's do our power on boot time test

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okay fine i'll press that button just give it a second

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okay what did you do i just held it for longer the good news is that you've got

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remote access over ipmi so if you're not

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you know in the same building you can still remote into it over the network and like

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you know update the BIOS or you know restart it or whatever the bad news is

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it outputs to vga first and then

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displayport later all right boot time is admittedly not a strong point for the pc

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pro here so mac pro 2

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pc pro zero admittedly this isn't going very well for us so far it'll get there

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now one of the toughest decisions for this build was actually the CPU

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Threadripper was very tempting because of its excellent single core performance

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overclocking capabilities and official support for Windows 10. the deal breaker

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for us was its maximum memory capacity of 256 gigs now for most applications

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256 gigs of RAM is a lot but the mac pro

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here can be kitted out with up to one and a half terabytes of memory and we

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couldn't allow ourselves to get beaten like that that's why we chose

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against AMD's wishes the epic 7502p a 32 core server processor with

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support for up to two terabytes of RAM

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now it adds 3 847.18

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to the total of our machine here but as far as we can tell it's lack of support

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for Windows 10 is just a validation bottleneck over at AMD and i'm quite

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confident that it will beat the 28 core mac pro in multi-threaded tests even if

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it falls somewhat behind in single threaded tests besides i mean

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i think it's fair to assume that anyone buying a 28 or 32 core processor is

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mostly concerned with multi-threading anyway right the main problem with

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choosing a server processor is that you're usually stuck with a server

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motherboard in our case the taian mainboard s8030gm2ne

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now to be clear we really like it and there's even another version of it that

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has dual onboard 10 gigabit network cards but the thing is we aren't exactly using

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it in its intended application so certain things like fast

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boot times robust io and fancy black

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pcbs have been sacrificed for things like reliability high quality pci

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express gen 4 capable traces and heaps and heaps of storage options let's go

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ahead and open it up that is a thick boy of a panel dang man

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there is something positively delightful about seeing 64 threads in task manager

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and check this out 1020

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gigabytes of memory however keeping a

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terabyte of RAM cooled is uh no laughing

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matter these 128 gig modules that we're

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using from sk hynix run freaking

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hot so we're actually using something that i haven't seen since like the skull

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trail days these active coolers running

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over top of our dual four dim

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banks of memory modules here and i had a small heart attack when i saw that this

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one was resting on the back of our graphics card but actually it's okay

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good job alex you covered it in electrical tape which is definitely an

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appropriate solution for a 30 000 machine do you want to hear why

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we really need those coolers let's just turn these off for a second there's an

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alarm that goes off at 95 degrees it's mad we gotta we got to plug the RAM

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coolers back in all right that's better we're down to

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about 50 degrees now now that alarm might seem obnoxious but

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all the monitoring on this motherboard is part of what allows it to run 24 7 in

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a server type environment besides we got to protect these modules because they're

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over twelve hundred dollars each for a total of nine thousand seven

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hundred and ninety two dollars of memory alone in our system pivoting to our

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least expensive component if we were to 100

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push everything in this system we'd be drawing close to 1300 watts now normally

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we throw a sea sonic prime platinum 1300 watt power supply in rigs just because

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we can it'll run most gaming machines without even turning on the fan here we

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actually need the entire 108 amps on the 12 volt rail and 13 20 watts of

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continuous power now in real world operation you almost never actually run

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every component of a system at a hundred percent so we're not expecting to see

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more than about a thousand watts of power usage at a time partly because of

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how the gpus are configured more on that later but it is considered best practice

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to over spec your power supply a little because they do degrade a little over

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time also upgrades happen and

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a failure especially in this case can destroy a lot of expensive hardware so

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this unit has a 12 year warranty and only took a 270 byte out of our budget

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which sounds totally reasonable in this context back to expensive stuff now this

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right here is a quadro rtx 8000 NVIDIA's

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top GPU with a staggering 48 gigabytes

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of vram and a price tag of 5500

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just a single one of these should be able to put a vega pro duo in

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its place naturally we got two

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but there's more to it than that joining the two together is an envy link bridge

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which is basically a 100 Gigabyte per second data super highway that allows

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the two cards to not just communicate with each other but actually share

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memory giving digital artists data scientists and engineers

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96 gigabytes of effective vram in a

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single workstation that is it'll give them that if their

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boss will sign off on the expense report so we've got two quadros and an envy

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link bridge which means that nvlink should just be

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working right you might think that by looking at NVIDIA's literature the only

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problem is that this guide contains almost zero useful information

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run a command to check if it's working you say how and where do i run this

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command fortunately for us the guys over at puget systems put together a guide

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for how to get nvlink going which they created through trial and error without

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any documentation from NVIDIA first problem when enabling nvlink on

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quadros the display output actually gets disabled so we needed another GPU of the

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same generation or newer in our case this rtx titan here is going to act as

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our display output then we have to do some command prompt stuff to enable

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nv-link on the gpus and after a reboot we can run the nv-link tester that puget

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systems actually made to ensure that it's all working and check the bandwidth

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between the cards huge thanks to those guys for putting all that together i

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have no clue how NVIDIA expects their customers to figure these things out

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otherwise in a nutshell everything i just said means that this rtx titan here

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is just a really pretty golden display output bringing our total spend on

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graphics up to thirteen thousand four hundred and ninety nine dollars

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ridiculous fortunately the rtx titan is also the fastest gaming GPU on the

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market so naturally for our first test we're gonna see just how well these two

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computers that are completely not designed for gaming fare against each

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other in gaming ready for the drag race yeah all

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right run benchmark three two one go they're both running Windows by the way

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just so you guys know that's a lot more FPS yep

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oh i'm sorry yep it's a lot more and you can talk all day about how this is

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gaming and it's not you know for gaming or whatever but more GPU powers more GPU

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power that would be clearly beneficial oh nice

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that was a pretty one-sided fight but a w is a w so it's 2-1 for the mac pro

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let's go for the mac pro's main draw though content creation to test this to

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its fullest our video editor mark who is admittedly a mac guy put together a

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benchmark for us in premiere and final cut pro to really test if the better

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optimized mac pro which does by the way

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have the accelerator card in it or the much more powerful pc pro is able to

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take the win so we've got a multi-platform audio visual render kit

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or markbench as we're calling it so we

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weren't kidding when we said that the i o on this thing is terrible

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it's got two usb 3 ports

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a management network interface that that's not like a network port you can

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actually use vga serial and then two

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gigabit network ports and then it could also have two more 10 gig net reports

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lots of networking that's uh what is that now three one for the mac pro yep

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wait so i see there's a usb card right here is there a reason we didn't install

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this in the bottom slot yeah we bought pretty cheap ones and

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they were causing stability issues mark bench also known as benchmark oh i love

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myself so here it is the afterburner card versus

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two rtx 8000s worth of GPU muscle

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three two one go keep in mind that this is uh multiple

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8k clips animated with you know effects attached to them

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both pieces of software i thought we were just doing a simple encode but

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we're not oh this is way more interesting then so

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we're using a hundred percent CPU right now

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uh these puppies are up at 80 degrees it is using them perfect okay are you done

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oh yeah oh yeah it's done i'm at 45

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that's thrashed oh dang

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i was not expecting that result it wasn't either the scripts were oh this

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is the first time you've seen it yeah it's the first time i've seen it oh that's hilarious okay the script's

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written as if the mac wins mark bench oh okay

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the problem with a lot of videos about the mac pro though is that people that

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make videos about the mac pro are mostly well video creation professionals in

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real life video editors who might observe that the mac pro is so

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much faster uh make up only a small portion of the

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people that need massive computing power for their work engineers and scientists

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financial analysts medical professionals and many others require this kind of

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power so for them how is the performance

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between these two machines going to differ we're going to find the biggest

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differences in applications that support NVIDIA's cuda GPU compute exclusively

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and will not be able to take advantage of the AMD gpus found in the mac pro for

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instance solidworks visualize only supports cuda so on the mac pro it took

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several times as long as it did on the

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pc pro meaning our score is now even to look at

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some other workloads we're leaning on the spec workstation benchmark

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in many of the CPU tests that are either

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single core dependent or shorter burstier multi-core workloads the mac

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pro comes out ahead so 7-zip blender

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python compiling and simulations that are just out of necessity single core

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like stress analysis because it can't be paralyzed that nets the mac pro 11

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points the only thing though is that the mac pro only won these CPU benchmarks by

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a little bit whereas in anything that required GPU muscle the pc pro

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absolutely wrecked house sometimes doubling the mac pro giving it a total

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of 13 points

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sort of i mean here's the thing guys cheerleading any kind of inanimate

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object is silly and making the right decision is

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always going to come down to your particular workload and budget so let's

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get back to practicality as cool as the pc pro is

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i don't think anybody should buy this i mean we did find a way to spend

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32 000 on a pc but this configuration isn't going to

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excel at any one task like a machine that was built with more focus would

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like say we wanted the fastest rendering machine possible we would sacrifice a

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bunch of the RAM and spend that money on additional GPU muscle maybe we do need

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loads of RAM for big financial calculations well in that case we could

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ditch some GPU and get a server board that doubles our maximum memory capacity

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to four terabytes probably the most egregious waste of money is of course

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the case which is 100 form over function and is 10 times the

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cost of a less flashy and more pragmatic one though in fairness to us we were

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trying to compete with apple here when in rome right and besides at the

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end of the day we achieved exactly what we set out to do look at this thing

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the pc pro is a nod to excess and in

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that it excels absolutely where the mac pro

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destroys your wallet while making massive performance compromises because

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mr cook and mr wong can't sort out their differences the pc pro evaporates your

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bank account while being the most op system around and yeah it doesn't excel

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at one single task and definitely has its own problems but i think it's pretty

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epic pun intended and i want to thank csonic for sponsoring this video and you

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for watching it if you guys are looking for another fun over-the-top mac themed

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pc video maybe check out our hack pro series by the time this is out we should

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be done filming the finale and you're going to be able to binge watch the

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entire thing very soon