{"video_id":"lLL_mxFg_Jc","title":"Is 4 Cores Still Enough?","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2022-05-05T14:53:29Z","duration_s":575,"segments":[{"start_s":0.16,"end_s":7.12,"text":"it's a fact of life that wherever you go someone is always trying to sell you","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":4.72,"end_s":13.44,"text":"something whether it's a brand hyping up their latest 1.21 gigahertz CPU or a","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":10.88,"end_s":17.84,"text":"so-called influencer rubbing your face in a brand new gaming setup that you","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":15.36,"end_s":22.32,"text":"would have to save for years to afford for the third time this week","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":20.08,"end_s":27.92,"text":"but i'ma let you in on a little secret come on come over here","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":24.8,"end_s":29.359,"text":"you don't have to buy anything in fact 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crappy quad-core pc that you already have is good enough for anything you'd need it to do and if it's not you could get one of those for much cheaper than the fancy 8 or 16 core cpus that all the big players want you to buy let me show you after i show you today's sponsor glasswire are you lagging out while gaming use glasswire to see what apps are wasting your bandwidth and causing your games to lag get 25 off using offer code Linus at the link below and yes i appreciate the irony there have been many popular 4-core cpus over the there have been many popular 4-core cpus over the last 10 years and we can't test all of them but we do have a handful dating from today all the way back to early 2013. we've used an rtx 2080 founders edition for all of our tests and we ran our gaming tests at 1080p so more of the burden will be on the CPU rather than the GPU i don't want to waste your time so let's jump right into the results where wow look at that i mean it sure is easy to show you what a piece of crap your old 4770k is in it the 3300x which represents a modern quad-core CPU manages to beat it handily and stepping up to six or eight cores especially with the 5800x which features AMD's latest zen 3 architecture is going to deliver a completely different computing experience that is as long as you actually use any of these applications the truth of the matter is that the benchmarks that we and other members of the tech press use to compare processors are not chosen for how representative they are of the typical user's daily workload rather they're often chosen because they allow us to demonstrate how their performance differs for heavy users or in future workloads that might not be mainstream yet but we expect them to be at some point down the road like there's a pretty good chance that you personally have never fired up v-ray or cinema 4d there's a good chance you don't edit or encode videos so if we flashed these charts in front of you you could easily end up spending a lot of money for something that you might never need even file decompression which is something that we all do often when we unpack a download from the internet and is a poster child for the benefits of multi-core cpus well it's a relatively light workload these days and most decompression tasks will complete in seconds on any of the cpus on this chart so does it really matter the two or three times a week that it comes up if it's 25 seconds or 45 seconds it's time for the other side of this coin while our cinebench r23 single thread web browsing grand theft auto 5 and cs go results demonstrate that there are certainly benefits to modern processors the addition of more cores isn't the biggest one and check this out if we covered the legend on these assassins creed valhalla results you'd be hard-pressed to guess which cpus have four six or eight cores go ahead and try but hold on a second Linus everyone knows that FPS and action games are still dependent on just a handful of threads you need to test strategy games that can use a multi-core CPU to calculate all the possible ai moves or whatever and yeah someday that will probably be a valid point but it is not this day and we did a quick civilization 6 run on our zen 2 cpus to demonstrate that point now with the latest gen consoles from the big players featuring eight core 16 thread cpus now we are going to see developers really push to take advantage of everything they can squeeze out of them but if history has anything to go on it'll be a while before we see a game that was really built from the ground up for this generation of hardware and it'll be years before we see these many core designs used to their fullest potential which doesn't mean our video is over not even close i haven't even mentioned lttstore.com with its great designs and high quality shirts yet the thing is game consoles do pretty much one thing they game but your pc could be doing any number of things capturing video from your webcam removing ambient noise from your microphone feed encoding a stream to share with your friends or viewers what happens to our quad-core performance when we throw common background tasks into the mix so let's fire up premiere we're not working on it right now it's just sitting there uh we're gonna need discord a little bit of obs stream that gameplay right and love me some background youtube music playlist action all right let's do this again despite the fact that we had all of this extra software open in the background none of our cpus performed in a way that i would describe as being unplayable our older four core chips did struggle significantly more in cs go with all these programs running with the 4770k actually losing nearly half of its performance but that still left it at over 120 frames per second and that would be more than good enough for most people unless they're especially competitive in which case guys turn off your background tasks all right and moving to our more modern quad core 3300 x it lost only a marginally higher percentage of its performance when compared to the eight core 5800x in gta 5 the performance hit was even more negligible what this tells us then is that sure if you have more overhead overall there will be less to worry about when you open extra apps if you have a mini core CPU but as long as you're not going to be running 30 pieces of software while you're running your game and expecting to get the maximum FPS you're still going to get a completely playable experience but there are other advantages to overbuilding a gaming rig particularly with modern AMD processors if you allocate four of your course exclusively to your game and this is something you can do manually or there are tools to help you do it theoretically it could help smooth out the experience both by removing extra clutter from background tasks on those cores and by having all of the game tasks running on the same physical group of course for faster cache access at least in theory in practice we didn't observe nearly as much difference as we expected but some users on reddit have reported measurable performance improvements particularly in cs go with first gen ryzen chips so your mileage may vary the truth is though that if you don't have a fortune to spend on a gaming pc that's okay a chip from 2013 may come with unpatched security flaws that have scary names like spectre and meltdown and microsoft warns that older platforms experience 52 more kernel mode crashes in Windows 11. but real talk spectre and meltdown are only of concern to enterprise and business customers for the most part and 52 more than point two percent is point three percent that sounds like a risk worth taking when a 4770k can be had for about a hundred bucks on ebay there is still the question of whether it's wise to buy into aging technology like ddr3 when older ryzen 3000 chips can be had for not much more but that one is just gonna come down to your individual budget which we have no way 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