WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:07.560 when a gaming PC shows up in a giant Pelican case we always know there's 00:00:05.319 --> 00:00:12.320 going to be some kind of cool gimmick but the problem is a lot of the time 00:00:09.440 --> 00:00:20.160 they end up being all Flash no dash this one is the exact freaking 00:00:16.439 --> 00:00:24.160 opposite this was hand tuned by the one 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:27.359 and only Alan spave gers such one of the 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:30.920 world's top overclockers and the gimmick 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:33.160 here is 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:39.079 anyway the gimmick here if you could even call it that is that every possible 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:42.559 dial every knob every bell every whistle 00:00:39.079 --> 00:00:45.719 has already been perfectly tuned to make 00:00:42.559 --> 00:00:48.280 this the absolute fastest gaming 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:55.399 computer that money can buy how much money you ask it's so much that he 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:58.120 doesn't even know well I for one cannot 00:00:55.399 --> 00:01:02.879 wait to take it for a spin now let's spin over to our sponsor 00:01:00.519 --> 00:01:07.479 glass wire instantly see who or what your PC is talking to on glass wire's 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:12.479 network monitoring graph plus see what your computer may have connected to in 00:01:09.439 --> 00:01:14.360 the past use code Linus and get 25% off 00:01:12.479 --> 00:01:19.280 at the link below right out of the gate there are some unexpected design choices 00:01:16.880 --> 00:01:24.159 here starting of course with cooling the Keen item on you might have noticed that 00:01:21.360 --> 00:01:32.799 there is no water cooling anywhere instead what we've got is a bank of 3 00:01:26.759 --> 00:01:36.200 140 mm 2 180 mm fans a 140 mm exhaust 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:39.640 and then a gigantic mesh back on this 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:42.159 case from fractal that spave says allows 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:46.439 him to overclock this thing to the max without resorting to having any liquid 00:01:44.360 --> 00:01:50.799 near your computer but you need more than just airf flow to deal with Intel's 00:01:48.119 --> 00:01:56.039 12 gen core i9s and that is where this comes in this thermos siphon cooler from 00:01:53.600 --> 00:02:01.200 Ice giant is actually competitive with the best dual aiio coolers on the market 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:05.240 and they have a copper version coming did you bring it I did bring it you 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:09.959 brought it okay I want to see it that's that doesn't seem copper to me 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:16.280 the bottom oh that's all they had to turn 00:02:12.959 --> 00:02:20.560 wait the they turned the base copper and 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:22.560 that was good for 9° yep shut up did 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:27.640 they change anything else nothing I can come in on right now 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:28.920 wow the point is this is the best of the 00:02:27.640 --> 00:02:35.400 best when it comes to air cooled components and and it gets even bester 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:39.440 this CPU is not a regular core I9 12900 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:41.360 K this is a slave Edition so the OEM 00:02:39.440 --> 00:02:46.959 that he's working with to actually put these things together ironide computers 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:49.480 will buy 100 12900 K's which if you're 00:02:46.959 --> 00:02:54.920 not familiar are the top bin of Intel's 16 core chip right now they'll buy a 100 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:57.360 of them only the top 10 make it into the 00:02:54.920 --> 00:03:05.000 spave PC and it gets even better than that for RAM not only only did gskill 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:08.239 create a special spave edition ddr5 6400 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:11.920 cl32 kit they silk screened his logo on 00:03:08.239 --> 00:03:14.440 it and naturally it's overclocked even 00:03:11.920 --> 00:03:20.400 past that of course the question is how much does 6600 megat transfer per second 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:22.480 versus 6,400 megat transfer per second 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:26.720 really matter how much can you even overclock this thing once Intel already 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:30.519 essentially overclocked the bloody things out of the factory well to find 00:03:29.519 --> 00:03:36.480 out we went ahead and using off-the-shelf 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:39.879 components we built our own spave PC 00:03:36.480 --> 00:03:42.920 that's right we've got the same 3090 TI 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:46.000 ftw3 we've got okay it's not the same 00:03:42.920 --> 00:03:48.480 ASRock uh taichi is it a taichi board we 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:52.519 got a Maximus whatever extreme we're up to now we got a knock to a cooler 00:03:50.799 --> 00:03:57.599 imagine apologizing for the knock to a cooler in your knockoff the point is 00:03:55.200 --> 00:04:02.720 we're going to bench this against that and see just how much professional 00:03:59.799 --> 00:04:07.319 overclocking tuning actually helps quick Andy man you missed the whole boot 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:11.560 sequence the fast computer I guess the first question then is am I going to 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:15.760 notice am I going to notice a difference like should I fire up a game that I play 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:21.239 all the time and see if I can even tell yeah absolutely wait a second have have 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:25.919 you done any like Windows process tuning or anything like that because this is 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:28.560 extremely low CPU usage I'm about 6% at 00:04:25.919 --> 00:04:34.120 the desktop maybe okay but for real have you no no really Windows 11 I think the 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:37.600 task scheduler is is pretty good okay I haven't touched Windows 11 much you know 00:04:36.039 --> 00:04:41.440 what no we're going straight to the BIOS what have you actually changed then 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:46.120 here's what ended up getting changed for voltage mode we go from stable to OC not 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:51.240 stable who needs stability why why would you change micro code update the 16 micr 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:56.880 code performs better than the current one uh for all core loads got it I 00:04:55.280 --> 00:05:02.639 actually didn't know that you could roll back previous micro code another reason 00:04:59.400 --> 00:05:04.960 to an ASRock motherboard you've actually 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:08.919 now this is interesting you've actually undervolted the CPU well that's not 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:16.120 really what most people do when they overclock can you explain why you've done that so I uh undervolted the CPUs 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:20.880 because they are so highly bended we're able to do so and with doing that and 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:28.199 through controlling the power limits uh we're able to hold the Boost 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:31.639 clocks longer for multicore 55 is never 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:34.680 a problem with the k s turbo standard 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:38.120 never a problem sure very we'll see the 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:41.919 idea was to have the best 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:44.680 silicon uh in order to maintain those 00:05:41.919 --> 00:05:50.360 high frequencies for longer for for multi-threaded like your R20 or your 00:05:47.479 --> 00:05:54.919 blender or other programs that are for productivity will it be faster for 00:05:52.600 --> 00:06:00.600 gaming in this configuration or not really um it should hold boost higher so 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:08.240 it should give you higher clocks and everything okay lot a lot a lot of 00:06:04.280 --> 00:06:13.080 tuning to the memory here holy crap 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:17.280 balls we've changed the d gear mode 00:06:13.080 --> 00:06:19.039 uh yes I over clogged now you've got 00:06:17.280 --> 00:06:23.360 Intel extreme tuning utility on here surely we're not using that are we no 00:06:21.080 --> 00:06:28.160 that's just for monitoring yeah or uh some score testing stuff we did got it 00:06:25.960 --> 00:06:31.240 okay what should I have open what's your preferred tool are you Hardware info 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:35.240 kind of character sure do you have like fir mark on here though can I just can I 00:06:33.400 --> 00:06:39.199 just see what it'll actually hold just don't kill the card pleas or did you 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:42.800 want to buy a PC I mean it's not my problem did you want to buy a PC that 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:47.520 doesn't have a cost yet just give us your credit card information all we know 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:51.360 so far is that it's a lot of dollars or really a lot of rubles for comparison 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:57.000 the one that we build is $5,100 and it costs more than anything 00:06:54.840 --> 00:07:05.759 cool from LTT Store.com like our new colors of water bottles available in 40 00:06:59.840 --> 00:07:08.639 oz and 22 oz holy Nikes we're at 470 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:14.000 Watts we went beyond the scale of the GPU power breakout graph what are you 00:07:11.960 --> 00:07:18.960 doing man I don't know I've never run this program 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:22.039 before what clocks are we at show graph 00:07:18.960 --> 00:07:24.960 1,400 yeah cool I don't know is that 00:07:22.039 --> 00:07:27.879 good I have no idea we'll see over here we're going to blow a breaker in my 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:32.080 kitchen if we try and run this and that and I make some toast how's this this 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:38.840 one doing it's marginally slower we're getting a little bit under 1300 MHz 00:07:35.039 --> 00:07:42.319 really because I am managing in the mid 00:07:38.840 --> 00:07:47.479 1300s even actually High 1300s just shy 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:49.440 of 1400 what's the power 450 Watts okay 00:07:47.479 --> 00:07:56.960 so we squeezed a little more power out of this one even though it's the exact 00:07:51.080 --> 00:08:00.759 same model of GPU huh man this this card 00:07:56.960 --> 00:08:02.360 throws heat man it's going right into 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:07.960 the CPU Cooler though is that not a concern no okay you'll see you'll see 00:08:06.039 --> 00:08:13.840 you'll see he says okay fine you know what fine that I feel challenged now 00:08:10.479 --> 00:08:16.080 because this guy is all cocky up in here 00:08:13.840 --> 00:08:20.919 Hey where's my cine bench at are you running both of these at the same time 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:22.319 yeah uh lus is electrical test yeah 00:08:20.919 --> 00:08:27.080 let's see if they wired up my house properly 3 2 1 and let's go boys oh man 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:33.000 you know what I think that's why my gpus is 00:08:30.520 --> 00:08:40.919 getting more clocks than yours the second we fired up a CPU test my GPU 00:08:36.800 --> 00:08:42.839 power draw and my GPU clocks dropped so 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:47.839 I think it's a question of how well the CPU can actually keep up with driving 00:08:45.959 --> 00:08:53.360 the GPU that hard also have you thermal throttled already oh yeah instantly what 00:08:49.640 --> 00:08:57.839 with an NHD 14 oh that's a 15 yeah it 00:08:53.360 --> 00:09:00.760 can't handle it wait oh I did too yeah 00:08:57.839 --> 00:09:05.920 that makes sense oh uh-oh clock Watchdog timeout I think we blue screened this 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:08.560 one's at 280 WTS actually no more like 00:09:05.920 --> 00:09:15.160 240 on the CPU and then what's the GPU at now I bet it's way down there we go 00:09:11.839 --> 00:09:17.200 oh Wow 450 wat yeah 450 Watts that's a 00:09:15.160 --> 00:09:21.240 lot of wat but you're thermal throttle I'm very much thermal throttle okay 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:27.360 let's back off the fur Mark let's cin bench drag race them yeah CP package is 00:09:23.920 --> 00:09:30.000 at 115 right now so is it possible that 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:34.800 this cooler moved again on you it's possible okay well that could be a 00:09:33.040 --> 00:09:39.160 problem might have been a little damaged in shipping here unfortunately okay we 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:46.440 might have to go a little easier on you instead of going full furmark and uh 00:09:42.880 --> 00:09:47.880 cinch R23 at the same time in fairness 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:51.920 though it's actually managing to hold both of them now yeah that's good in 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:57.360 spite of the reported thermal throttling though almost all of our pees are 00:09:54.600 --> 00:10:03.360 running at 5 GHz what are yours running at uh oh this test and keep on running 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:09.160 let's just see here 4.4 4.5 interesting damn that's a big 00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:11.200 difference oh I just blue screened again 00:10:09.160 --> 00:10:16.279 though we might have found our culprit the fan profiles didn't apply we're 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:22.320 fixing them sp's fixing them I'm watching okay core temperature core 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:29.360 temperatures are now at 94° all you did is rece it yeah it must have shifted ah 00:10:26.640 --> 00:10:34.640 I mean not to say that water cooling is better but that is an advantage is the 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:38.720 heavy components of your cooler are mounted to things that don't matter and 00:10:36.920 --> 00:10:43.200 then you've got nice lightweight blocks mounted to the CPU socket they are less 00:10:40.880 --> 00:10:46.320 likely to shift during shipping however if you guys are going to have this 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:51.399 packed in nice and tight I would imagine that will resolve that for the end user 00:10:48.079 --> 00:10:53.480 but if you have Mondo rubles and you buy 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:59.839 yourself a spave PC what's it called spave PC okay looks like I got it right 00:10:56.839 --> 00:11:02.959 TM and your temps are not great call 00:10:59.839 --> 00:11:06.920 your Courier one thing I'm curious about 00:11:02.959 --> 00:11:09.839 whoa I'm hitting 5 to 5.1 now I don't 00:11:06.920 --> 00:11:14.040 have any under five sorry sorry I didn't mean to cut you off just this is cool 00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:18.959 it's way cooler than what you're doing well I wonder if just because of like 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:23.360 power and stuff if I hit this one that one will become unhappy are we even on 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:28.120 different circuits or are we on the same one I have no clue okay it's holding 00:11:25.880 --> 00:11:32.360 it's holding well that's way better and I have not thermal Frost I did exceed 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:37.200 the core power limit but that's exactly what spave said was going to happen so 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:41.839 it is power limited to prevent The Thermals from getting out of control it 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:44.600 is tuned oh it crashed 00:11:41.839 --> 00:11:49.800 Alex I was doing fine until you started running your crap machine interesting I 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:53.760 wonder if that's actually it wait it's not it didn't crash oh it didn't no it's 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.560 actually still running when that got shut off was that 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:03.720 it yeah we turned this off and came back house is 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:05.959 cursed oh no it's totally still running 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:09.839 all the benchmarks too ferm Mark is still running cinebench is still running 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:13.880 in the background I've never seen anything like it one other thing that I 00:12:11.920 --> 00:12:17.480 learned before is that having our wireless microphones on causes a lot of 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:22.880 interference so maybe it's the combination of these which is brutal for 00:12:19.839 --> 00:12:25.399 overclocks and this and Linus's bad 00:12:22.880 --> 00:12:30.839 power was enough to just Tipper over the edge cuz now it's fine I did manage to 00:12:27.760 --> 00:12:32.839 Thermal throttle so my belief is that 00:12:30.839 --> 00:12:36.880 the heat being kicked off the GPU cuz we're running two power viruses 00:12:34.839 --> 00:12:40.360 essentially at once here going right into the cooler is affecting us but 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:44.440 because we're sitting it anywhere from 105 to 110 on our PE course I think if 00:12:42.760 --> 00:12:49.000 we could squeeze a few more degrees out of a better cooler that would actually 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:53.880 resolve it anyway let's play some games no Doom maternal that's fine I have 2 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:58.519 and2 gig internet it's the internet CPU test right shouldn't take long that's 00:12:56.040 --> 00:13:01.920 right this is actually an excellent CPU benchmark 00:12:59.880 --> 00:13:09.000 how fast is it check this out we are sucking back I saw it Peak at over 00:13:05.160 --> 00:13:12.320 40% of this 12900 K that has the snot 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:15.160 overclocked out of it and that was only 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:22.240 at 100 megabytes a second okay we're at 123 megabytes a second 141 144 we're at 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:24.720 60% CPU you hear those fans 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:27.800 go furmark barely managed to get the fans going but downloading games on 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:34.120 Steam that's the real Benchmark whoa oh we peaked at 00:13:30.760 --> 00:13:37.800 77 we're at 64 right now look at this 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:40.000 she's going boys oo I bumped the power 00:13:37.800 --> 00:13:44.959 cable and I think it shut down I mean I don't know that this is the world's most 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:47.279 amazing it doesn't look 00:13:44.959 --> 00:13:53.000 like I wonder why we're having power troubles well I look I don't know Alex 00:13:50.560 --> 00:13:59.320 this is going to be the big test at the same settings running the same game does 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.839 the tuned PC outperform our stock one 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:05.240 and is it really stock like did you enable XMP and all the good stuff XMP is 00:14:03.160 --> 00:14:11.120 enabled multicore enhancements on it's not even really stock it's like good 00:14:08.199 --> 00:14:15.519 stock okay you're marginally faster than me should I be expecting a big 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:18.759 difference it's the same Hardware all right but there was so much stuff 00:14:16.680 --> 00:14:24.120 changed in the BIOS 220 00:14:21.199 --> 00:14:28.440 220 a little higher but we're talking like 5 FPS okay spoil it for me then you 00:14:27.040 --> 00:14:33.399 already did the proper benchmarking how much faster is it in games 5% across the 00:14:31.160 --> 00:14:39.600 board pretty much no matter GPU CPU bound 5% faster okay I mean that's 00:14:36.959 --> 00:14:45.600 actually not insignificant what about like minimum frame times though 5% 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:47.800 faster okay so just min max average just 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:52.959 it's a little faster yeah well you want to run Ida let's run Ida let's do a me 00:14:51.000 --> 00:15:01.519 let's do a read test so we're running at I think it's 50 oh 5200 CL 38 wow that 00:14:57.959 --> 00:15:04.160 is a lot faster you're like 20% faster 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:08.839 well depending on the workload then if we're doing something really memory 00:15:06.040 --> 00:15:12.880 intensive this thing could absolutely crap all over our stock machine but then 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:17.160 we could also put better memory in our stock machine sure and most of the 00:15:15.680 --> 00:15:28.240 performance gain is in the tertiary timings not in the 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:31.440 main ones you see so the 32 42 42 58 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:35.160 yeah I I mean some would see 42 versus 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:36.959 38 and think that one's better but in 00:15:35.160 --> 00:15:41.399 fact those don't matter as much as the timings you don't even see in Windows 00:15:39.839 --> 00:15:46.440 those all those timings we changed in the BIOS right in a nutshell display of 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:51.160 PC must be hard to have it judged right in front of you is what you'd expect it 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:54.920 to be it's a balls to thewall tuned overclocked machine which is going to 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:59.600 come with all the things that come with that yes it's going to be faster but 00:15:57.680 --> 00:16:04.319 it's going to come at an additional cost we don't know exactly how much at this 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:07.079 point in time and well when you're 00:16:04.319 --> 00:16:11.199 flying that close to the sun your wings night might not get burned but it is 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:15.000 possible they could get a little singed meaning that if there are any 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:18.839 environmental variables around you say for example you live in a very hot 00:16:16.680 --> 00:16:22.680 climate or your power is a little unstable in your house well it's not 00:16:20.560 --> 00:16:27.560 undergoing the same kind of validation that it would in somewhere like Intel or 00:16:25.319 --> 00:16:30.759 NVIDIA's lab where they're ensuring that out in the real world no no matter what 00:16:29.319 --> 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