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sites like Craigslist and Facebook are full of people who offer custom PC

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Building Services but should you trust them with your gaming budget I'm going

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to contact completely random people on Facebook

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Marketplace give them my money and then just pray I don't get scammed the rules

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are simple each Builder gets a budget of 1,250 Canadian rubles and then a

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different member of our team is going to go undercover meet these guys in person

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and bring back something I hope

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then I will judge the quality of their craftsmanship drag race the PCS and at

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the end maybe even meet our builders in person talk to them that is unless they

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scam me oh hey that's one of them now uh

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yeah yeah radon 7600 that sounds good uh

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description our opening line was the same for every Builder here's my budget

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I need a gaming PC there were other requirements that we kind of had in mind

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but there's a catch if they wanted that information they had to specific Al ask

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us for it that's going to affect their communication score then we're going to

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rate each system for Quality performance value and Beauty at the end Whoever has

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the highest rank will get the PC returned to them for free so they can

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resell it as for who comes last they go

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on the Wall of Shame let's start with Jason's system we decided to purchase

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from him because he seemed experienced with an Instagram and website

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specifically for showing off PC builds and look at this he even gave us an

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invoice unfortunately what he also gave us is one of the weirdest systems that I

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think I've seen in a very long time I've

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never even heard of manmo brand game Max

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only showed up on my radar when one of their power supplies blew up during Labs

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testing recently and he's using a mobile engineering sample CPU also soyo

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motherboard I've never even heard of this brand oh I have but not since the

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early 2000s I mean I guess they have a stored

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history since 1985 yeah it's not the kind of story

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that I would tell my kids at bedtime might keep them up late if you know what

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I mean why did we end up with two power

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supply boxes um I don't know the he gave

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us two power supply boxes like was there something in it no he also gave us a

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different CPU Cooler box oh than the one that he yeah this is a completely

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different cooler yeah and also there's nothing in any of these boxes I'm very

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interested to see how this per forms especially with that slow memory but I

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can't wait do you leave the plastic peel on that

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fan I was going to go easy on him for build

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quality but I'm sorry this is a this is a three out of 10 oh it gets so much

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worse you don't even know we'll get to that later how is this communication

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though we got this nice invoice total made differ by plus or minus 1 cent due

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to rounding error yeah I mean the invoice shows he was professional he

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answered our messages quickly he offered things like do we want used parts or new

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parts so to save a couple of bucks that's good to know he was upfront about

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some of the weirdness like getting the engineering sample though maybe not as

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upfront as he should have been he kind of just said that hey it's going to be an engineering sample and it won't show

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up in Windows right but that doesn't address the complete lack of warranty

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the potential reliability issues and potential performance issues yeah he

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also said that it would perform the same as a 12900 K uh no and when we went to

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go pick it up well uh reys what did you say he was professional it looks like he

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had done this before you know he he's obviously a Salesman kind of good at

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selling the product that he's selling right but you already bought it but I already bought it so I don't know he was

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a nice guy he was a very nice guy why did we end up with random boxes Reese he

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like had the computer set up and I went up and tried it everything worked fine

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and he just like oh grab the boxes like okay and I just grabbed what was there

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so he didn't tell me yes or no he just I just grabbed all the boxes that were

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available did he have like other systems being built or at the same time or uh I

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think he I think he said he had other ones on the go for communication what

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would you rank him I'll say eight I'll say online Maybe maybe a a six cuz he

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wasn't super forthright let's call it a seven sure but the next guy ree said was

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the nicest person he'd ever met really I don't know if I said that but he is very

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nice for one thing he didn't charge us a building fee every dollar is accounted

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for here 6 core ryzen 5000 processor ASRock motherboard Kingston NVMe SSD and

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an RX 7700x tgpu oh look at that a brand

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named power supply in terms of quality

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is this three times the quality of the we just looked at I think so yeah but

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how is his communication he was great he was understanding when we had to

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reschedule he was very prompt and clear he even offered us multiple ways to pay

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him he could do a 50% deposit and he would order all the parts himself that's

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a little risky yeah uh or we could just

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bring the parts to him and he would build it for us wait for free yeah what

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is he even what's his business model uh he says he just has free time and he

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likes building computers so 10 for

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communication yeah absolutely we're going to need another field for business

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savvy cuz Katon is setting very unrealistic expectations I mean was the

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pickup perfect too BR he's doing it for the Love of the Game I love the guy I

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think he's I think he's perfect I I'm going to give tens across the board just

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heads up reach out we want to be friends with you we want to be friends with you

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all right how about mirus you nicknamed this one teenage engineering but I

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couldn't help noticing that's an NZXT case yeah well mirla is like 17 years

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old and the reason he's selling computers is because he's trying to save

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up for college wow okay yeah so he's

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certainly more profit motivated than

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Katon though I got to give him credit this is a pretty nice build yeah there's

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a couple of tweaks that I think I would make like he got a SATA SSD instead of

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an nbme SSD oh you're not even really saving money on that yeah but you know

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still meets our criteria of a 1 tby SSD yeah and his build fee $ 100 Canadian

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dollar that's pretty reasonable that's only about 70 us he was also happy to

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throw in extra fans at a discount oh that's nice of him yeah did we ask if he

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was willing to throw in extra cable management and extra peeling the plastic

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off of our motherboard heat sink nope it's got the world's most

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overcompensate Wi-Fi antennas though so that's good I'm going to have to dock a

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couple build quality points for sloppiness but I'm going to give one of

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them back for going with quality Cooling and a quality power supply those are the

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kinds of things that are very easy for people to cheap out on and take

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advantage of a not very knowledgeable customer and Mira chose not to do that

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he was really helpful in other ways like instead of just looking at prices on PC

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part picker he actually went and found like bundles on like Canada Computers

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however the bundle we ended up getting basically was the literal price of

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buying each of the individual components alone so neither here nor there all

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right I mean they're good parts yeah it was an a for affort I probably would

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have done what Katon did and spent a little more on GPU and a little less on

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CPU but depending on what we were trying to accomplish this is a perfectly

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reasonable parts list as well how was the pickup good a little bit awkward

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he's he's a young guy um I think I was pretty awkward at that age as well you

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know what I mean yeah just at that age just yeah thank you his communication over Facebook was actually really good

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he sent some photos of the case I got

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got got slightly damaged in transit I can't see it from here um yeah very

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slight damages but he was very up front with that which was nice that's great um

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n eight seven I think I I think seven

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eight eight so far the professional is not looking so

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hot but the professional might have the performance where it

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counts let's pretend we don't know that okay this is

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true maybe leave them some suspense for

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crying out loud now to begin the Drag Race 3 2

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1 and I can already tell that it's not going to be close Adam we are dipping

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down to 5050 55 FPS on both the

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professional and teenage engineering did I see that go over a 100

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teenage engineering is screaming right now it's loud yeah what is up with that

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I think it's because of the GPU it has a predator by Frost which is like a half

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blower style card I think he just didn't really tune the fan curves interesting

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he actually did install fan control on this for us and he put a nice big CPU

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heat sink in here so maybe he just

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doesn't get bothered by noise and he thought well let's get everything to run

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as cool as possible his temp should be really good we have Ray tracing off

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right now but it is crazy how neck and neck the 4060 and the 7600 are they're

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basically the exact same though if we turned R tracing on this would easily

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take the lead yeah are you turning ra tracing on on a mid- tier card though I

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mean I guess you can you can you got dlss and stuff but we're getting 60 FPS

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now yeah I know and it looks pretty good mind you we are running at 1440p and the

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vast majority of people are still gaming at 1080p so you could probably run at

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1080 with r tracing and get similar performance where did we land in terms

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of thermals though the hobbyist was sitting at a peak of about 70° on the

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CPU and 55 on the GPU meanwhile as

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expected teenage engineering didn't manage to get above 54 on the CPU and

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was at about 58 on the GPU so clearly

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there's some Headroom for us to turn those hands down if we really wanted to

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as for that mobile CPU

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58° Max and on our GPU we ended up

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hitting about 70 the professional is uh

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not the best system so far no but that could change in cine bench let's see if

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all those extra cores are going to help out that what is it 12900 hkx HX all

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right ready W brother

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it may be an engineering sample but it's uh professional engineering apparently

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it does have just core numbers on its side right that's 24 threads versus a 12

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thread and a 16 thread this is as not close as that last one was in favor of

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the hobbyist if you are doing something that benefits from multi-threading like

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say you do a lot of video encoding on CPU the professional looking pretty good

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for the money wow that's a laptop chip I

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know right and the 5600 is a well it's a

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great choice for gaming yeah cheapest CPU of the lot and that is what we asked

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for we asked for 1440p gaming and the hobbyist gave us a better GPU and a

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lower tier CPU and you can really see that in the results here just 11,000

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points compared to 14,000 and

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19,500 but the professional promised that that had the same performance as a

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12900 K what what's the score of a 12900

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K 25,000 27,000 so it's not as good not even

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close this is pretty typical for engineering sample chips you see because

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they're often not finished and that even ignores that this poor motherboard is

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going to have no idea what to do with this thing in terms of power limits we

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maxed out at 125 watts which is kind of

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within spec but it clearly never

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stretched beyond that oh boy I can already tell in the menu again that

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teenage engineering is not going to be able to keep up with the hobbyist it's

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so loud now we're looking at balers Gate 3 at 1440p Ultra details with no

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resolution scaling and once again the competition is and not close the 1% lows

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on the hobbyist thanks to that 7700 XT

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GPU are higher than the average frame

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rates on both of our other systems to be clear either of these is going to

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deliver a really smooth gaming experience in balers Gate 3 it just

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won't be nearly as smooth as the hobbyist between the other two though

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the GeForce 4060 manages to outclass the Radeon 7600 showing you guys that as bad

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as NVIDIA's current generation is their competition manages to make them look

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okay and that engineering sample CPU doesn't seem to be holding it back here

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in spite of it not being the same as a 12900 k should we give them a score or

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should we just like rank them first to third either way is going to be complicated because depending on the

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application they're going to vary a little bit Yeah the hobbyist ran away

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with it in gaming performance but it even if your focus is gaming it's never

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a bad idea to have a well-rounded system and you've got to give the professional

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and teenage engineering some credit here so I'm going to say maybe you know eight

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for the hobbyist because we did give up a lot in terms of multi-threaded

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performance but given how much the other ones gave up everywhere else I'd say at

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best they can have a five five is perfectly adequate it really middle it's

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a pass yeah now we turn to value and you might

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think oh well line is that simple it's just performance versus how much you

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paid but I see a value in for example

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having a warranty on my CPU that's where

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the professional system falls apart I see a value in having a power supply

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that's known more for powering computers than for powerful failures like we've

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seen from this brand in our Labs testing so for me the

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professional I don't know three two what

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is this generic RAM the generic RAM is 32 GB of Samsung ddr4 running at 2666

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MHz cl19 that's twice as much RAM as the

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other systems yeah it's at half the speed it's slow as heck Four In fairness

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to the pro those cut Corners did allow him to undercut everyone else on pricing

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but for me peace of mind is a big part of value and I feel that both the

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hobbyist and teenage engineering blew him away there for beauty I think

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everyone captured the gamer aesthetic pretty well definite points for the

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hobbyist's use of RGB everywhere but

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personally I like to see a big heat sink

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more than I like to see flashy light right so I think I'm going to give both

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of these a nine or at least I would if I

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didn't look at the cable management at the back maybe it's not worth a $100 to

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me but ironically the one with the worst cable management at the front has far

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better cable management at the back than our hobbyist it's more of a party in the

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back yeah but that's why it's behind closed doors right sorry Katon I think

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I'm going to have to dock you a point here as for the pro Jason selected such

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a Bare Bones case that I think the best I could give it is probably an eight and

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Adam promised that I would find some interesting surprises once I turned it

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around to the back this back plate is bowed out that's not a good thing I

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don't know if that's to spec or not nope it's not you know what it is this is a

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mobile chip it doesn't have an IHS so it has to go down

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tighter in order to make contact it is making contact The Thermals were fine

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but that's why it's deeper than it would otherwise be now I'm really curious cuz

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I saw listings for this online and they showed an image with an IHS oh no no

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you're right there is an IHS on it okay I have no idea then I guess he just

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really gave her with the screws you think he gave her with those screws just

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wait till you see the m.2 screw while I was trying to figure out what kind of

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components were in the system so I could try and figure out a relative price to

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see if he ripped us off with this 1150 thing look at the screw for the SSD he

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just chucked a random screw in here there's no standoff yeah um and not just

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any any random screw a wood

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screw oh so it is can you retroactively

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cut six when you find stuff like this it really makes you question everything

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else about the system with the scores tallied up surprisingly everybody gets a

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pass yeah the professional was just barely but to his credit it is a

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functioning system and he didn't ghost us or scam us outright but it's clear

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that to actually win the challenge we're only really looking at teenage

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engineering and the hobbyist and at the end of the day with the points we had to

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dock from teenage engineering for choosing a SATA SSD and going with a

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more powerful CPU for a 1440p gaming

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system even ignoring the $100 build cost

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which by the way is perfectly reasonable we've got to give it to the hobbyist who

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we're about to meet hey how's it going hey Ken how's it going it is Katon

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right dang I forgot to get the screen

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recording started oh my God hey hey sorry technical diffic um okay

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thanks for taking my call um just to be up front with you uh there's nothing

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wrong with computer if you ever heard of lonus tech tips yes okay well um he'd

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like to say something to you he's got some good news for you hey Ken nice system oh hey how you doing thank you oh

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my God this is ridiculous hey I just wanted to say you built a heck of a

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system for the money but I got a question what's going on here you didn't

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even charge us a build fee or anything like that do you really just do this for

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the fun of it I've been building computers since I was like 10 with my

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dad uh like I work from home as a project manager so I I have a lot of

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free time I want to Tinker with computers more often but I don't want to

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go and buy used parts and get people good deals things I don't have that that much time but I figured I'd like just do

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free builds and make sure like you know the tweaking is done right I don't know

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I just like I like helping people a lot and I feel like computer stores are kind

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of like not where they used to be and they're not really offering that kind of

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like premium service anymore so yeah the challenge was that we actually gave the

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same budget to three different people on Facebook Marketplace chosen randomly and

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whoever won whoever gave us the best value system for our dollars gets the

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system back so they can resell it to someone else so it's not that I don't

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love it you did a great job but you won

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man so this is yours it's free real estate oh wow dude that's crazy that's

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awesome thank you so much I really appreciate that so about how many of these systems do you do on a monthly

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basis how many people reach out to you us probably

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do one to two a month it's not like

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something that's super common I guess people like partly thing is a a trust

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bar it's like you don't want to leave Parts with someone who you don't know

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who does this for fun abolutely what a weird thing to tell people you know I

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get how it sounds um but honestly I just I like building computers I like playing

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with computers yeah I just it's a passion of mine and I enjoy it and I can

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do this and help people out the same same time I think it's a really awesome

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thing to do cool all right see you later man yeah awesome thanks so much we

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weren't able to get teenage engineering on a video call but we reached out

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asking hey is this a viable side hustle like about how many systems you do and

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he said he's got about four of them on the go right now so while it is

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difficult to break into it looks like some people are making a go of it so in

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conclusion your mileage is absolutely going to vary and being a Savvy Shopper

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as always is going to go a long way towards making sure that getting the

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most for your money but it's clear that there's a alive and well or maybe even

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vibrant ecosystem of buyers and sellers on these marketplaces so uh if you want

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to try your luck hey it might not be the stupidest thing in the world and you

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overall but uh hey I'll let you guys be the judge see you later