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8K gaming is clearly dead remember when

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Sony removed the claim from the PlayStation 5 box well now NVIDIA has

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also backed out with it going from being a selling point to being a footnote to

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not appearing at all on the product page for their brand new RTX 590 but the heck

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with all of that because you guys want to see it so MSI sponsored this video

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where we're going to see for ourselves if their new RTX 590 Supreme liquid

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graphics card can not only beat last gen

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but maybe even manage something better than barely playable thanks to

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Blackwell's architectural improvements including dss4 and multiframe gen or

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MFG I have my doubts especially when you

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consider the ray tracing requirements of

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some Modern games I mean can anything push 33 million pixels and Trace Rays at

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the same time

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let's hope

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so not going to lie as much as we're about to kind of dunk on 8K for being

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pointless it does look really good yeah

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the bigger the TV the higher the resolution you kind of want right with

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that said for most Gamers the benefit of 8K resolution is vastly outweighed by

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the main drawback which is of course much reduced performance but it's still

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impressive to see and especially with dlss AI assisted upscaling and in games

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that support it frame generation we get a surprisingly usable experience in fact

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this seems a lot better than I remember it being yeah we were getting what like

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60s and 1% lows before 2 years ago we got a 9800x 3D now couple years worth of

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driver development and we're looking at more like 80 to 85 FPS in our 1% lows

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like dude it's very it's 100% playable

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more than playable like this is good it feels really good and this is still on

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the 490 mind you yeah with dlss now I have a question for you sir sure you

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have a 490 at home I do or well you used to yeah it's in that computer right

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there right right we needed it for the shoot T thank you appreciate you anyway

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before the launch of the 90 you and I have both gone on the record saying we

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were going to buy one yeah 4K is really demanding period yeah after seeing them

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side by side today I think we have to decide do we still feel the same way the

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launch was today it was a paper launch kind of I did get a pre-order no way I

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have not paid a dime yet I have about a month to decide before it gets here and

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I have to like actually go in and drop $3,200 Canadian dollar so today is a big

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decision then it really is let's swap out this 490

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okay because this is literally your

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upgrade that you would be doing and on paper it really is a tempting piece of

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tech with 32 gigs of GDDR 7 V RAM and

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almost 5400 extra Cuda course the 90 is

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a powerful GPU and the Supreme liquid

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from MSI is about as topof the line As It Gets hybrid cooling

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small side form factor this is what two

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and a qu slots and a 2580 MHz boost

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clock outside of water blocking a card yourself this is probably going to be

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about the most compact 5090 on the market aside from NVIDIA's own Fe cards

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there it is ploofs 49 oh God please

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please please don't do it no I'm not going to here goes our

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90 oh yeah we're in gaming mode right heck yeah we better be heck yeah brother

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we need that 50 MHz for 8K dude I would

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not say no to any megahertz when it comes to 8K

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gaming I also do wonder if the extra

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vram is going to make a difference oh definitely will 24 gigs is a lot and 32

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gigs is a lot more oh I don't have frame view on let's try to

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guess sure it already looks better though it's definitely better no

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question it's better oh dude our review came out I have a general idea of what

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the performance uplift should be mhm 121% lows oh dude I think you're bang on

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really I think you're bang on yeah here you can here we'll try to we'll try to

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co co game here oh might even be yeah oh might even

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be a little higher you know what feels pretty good you know what if we're

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playing prices right rules I'm going to be a total dick and I'm going to go 115

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sure all right let's turn it on and take a look okay oh it did it yeah it's like

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120 it's like 120 dude you nailed it oh

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man that's fast nailed it oh this is not

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good I don't want to spend $3,000 and the thing is the 90 raster

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for raster yeah it's not that much

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faster than the 490 but what it is is faster yeah and

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it's got those new RT cores as well and more of them and I love Ray tracing why

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don't we turn off dlss okay native yeah can we run native what we needed dlss

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for on the 490 probably honestly

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I probably dude you're getting like 110

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average Y and it's like 91%

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lows so you are getting native performance where you used to need

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dlss that's all I want

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no and you know as much as I don't like frame gen the fact that we're starting

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at like 90 or 100 FPS that means dlss and frame gen

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together it's not going to feel completely terrible

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with that said do maternal incredibly

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well optimized game and it's not exactly a spring chicken I mean the sequel is

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supposed to come out in like three months why don't we move on all right uh

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yeah hi dlss off okay we were getting

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about 61 FPS with our 1% in the mid to

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high 50s uh-huh so we crushed it oh no

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1% are 83 however I haven't moved

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yet oh that's actually it didn't that didn't affect it very much at all this

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seems totally fine this is such a pretty game for how old it is dude I know okay

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turn dlss on all right just just you know twist the knife twist the knife all

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right all right I'm turning it on we're going to stick with quality today oh

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100% let's not touch R tracing yet okay so now we have some performance head

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room where we could enable R tracing it's not as high of a jump as I was

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expecting though no the rumors were looking really

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impressive and then yeah also what the

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what did you not see that weird checkerboarding that's the thing though

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when I'm playing the game you don't notice I don't notice it as much I was

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focused on what I was aiming at oh man it takes me right out of it it's because

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my eyes are looking everywhere they're not looking just center of the screen oh

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there it is you saw that yeah you saw that

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too you see it now oh that's hella weird

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right yeah no no the reason I didn't notice is cuz I was like really focused

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on the shot no that's kind horri awful so dealss

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quality you know maybe it's just not good at 8K man that's

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pretty but not in motion oh it's doing

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the checkerboard thing again like well I still have dlss on and now I have rt on

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and it seems like it's struggling even more whoa RTX dlss was not on what did

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we turn on then to go from 80 to 100 or I turned on ra tracing oh you turn on

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rate tracing but not dlss it turned it off oh I okay so that Checker boarding

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that was just is not dlss oh wow so this

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is running at Native with rate tracing okay I'm a little more impressed so then

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if that's not dlss then then we should turn it on we should it's still pretty

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sharp yeah there's a lot of tearing but we can't really blame it for that we're

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not running variable refresh rate because this is an older TV so that's

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the solution there even if it does come at the cost of some latency in motion

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Clarity ignoring the tearing ignoring the tearing it is not perfect it's not

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bad but it's not awful I'm not going to lie I think for

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the first time I would probably turn on dlss in this I don't see a downside it's

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better fine I would too what about a

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competitive game though CS2 can we play

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CS2 at 8K at like hundreds of FPS cuz

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this is a pretty light game it's light but it's not CS do go light Counter

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Strike 2 is out and it is harder to run

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so when we tried our 490 earlier we had it set to high preset and we were

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getting 110 to 120 average okay what

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were we playing 1% 70 to 90 we were playing dust two D two good old dust two

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okay it is amazing how bad I managed to be at Counter Strike when you can see I

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can game like a Halo I think I pretty okay there but like look at this I I

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can't even I can't even move 90 dude

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this is very Le usable it's like wait are these people yeah you're in a real

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match it's like 90 to 100 in our 1% lows so this is my problem I just need more

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pixels most of the time it's true the more pixels you have

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the easier it is to click heads I mean in a sense kind of I'm not

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saying that it's going to make everyone instantly a dude am I just like clicking

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today or is this like a dude I was like four kills in a row

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you have never seen me not that good like that I've seen you get some kills

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not that many in a row all right let's pivot and let's run something a little

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more demanding H yeah cyber Punk we were

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having troubles with our 4090 earlier uh

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it launched once ran great and then we went to turn dlss on uh the whole thing

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capped the vram at 24 gigs and it just was not happy with

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us more RAM could be the solution honestly maybe now that sharp looks

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beautiful that's sharp sharp boys okay

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Graphics okay what did what did you want ra tracing Ultra yeah that's wild that's

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whack it's not path tracing it's just R tracing okay all right turn off dlss

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native let's do Native first frame gen also off R Trace lighting Ultra okay

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everything else is on path tracing is off okay let's let's see what it looks

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like see how we're getting 1% lows of uh

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16 yikes averages of 7

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we've had some good 8K gaming experiences today this is not one of

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them this is our first true rate tracing

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experience though at 8K and admittedly

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it looks beautiful oh dude it looks

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incredible it just plays like ass yeah all right turn dlss on yep okay wow this

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is actually very legit it basically doubled their frames

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I want to see more I want to I know I want to see more first but it's actually

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oh oh I'm you see all that boiling and stuff in the lights as you drive past it

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too oh that one didn't have lights on it but uh turn around and go and look at those uh street lights yeah okay uh cuz

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you really start to see the issues with RTX and dlss yeah look at look at how

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terrible that looks is that dlss yeah it's not as bad no it's way better it's

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way better actually it is 100% dlss it's fuzzy it's it's all over fuzzy but it's

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not doing that weird ripply boily thing as you move it around and that's my

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problem right now is I really want to play native 4K

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RT I everything set to ultra Ultra it

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can be high or very high and that's fine but here's my problem I go turn RT on oh

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the performance is bad okay dlss and then I get this stuff and I can't handle

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this it drives me crazy and I don't understand how people can like play and

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not notice it like how do you not see this how do you not notice

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that maybe you have bad night vision and

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you get halos in the real world I'm just I look I'm just trying

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I'm playing Devil's Advocate right now you know what's too bad is honestly

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those Street lamps are the only things that really stand out to me right now I

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know everything else looks pretty good that's the thing dlss has gotten really

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good like that's what I'm complaining about like come on everything else looks

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great I mean I'm sure if we stopped and nitpicked we'd find a couple other

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really good examples but that's the main one and if that's what I'm complaining

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about come on like it's gotten incredible let's

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try path tracing

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just

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DSS it's back to where we were

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16 averages with like a 14

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low it looks beautiful admittedly and

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when I have an 8090 I'm going to enjoy the crap out of this hell yeah if I

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drive really slow it's actually kind of palatable cinematic yeah

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turn on frame gen okay the latency is going to suck I know

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it will 100 frames a 75 frames a second

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that feels uncanny

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dude like uncanny bad is your boiling

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better it's not perfect but it seems better it's less noticeable but it's

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still happening this beta Branch I don't know if it has fixes to dss4 or anything

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but yeah it looks a little better it's still super noticeable to me though oh

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it's definitely noticeable and you can see the almost the entire thing oh yeah

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it was really bad right when you were there it's like a it's it's like a

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really nasty fast pan in a movie at 24 frames per second I think it's cuz it's

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getting to the edge of the screen it's like ah you're not looking up there anyway we don't have to worry about that

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oh that's an interesting Theory it does look pretty oh no it might just be the

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speed at which the object is moving it just doesn't have enough real frames God

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that's bad that was bad okay let's look

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off into the distance though let's look off into the distance sure I'm trying

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real hard to just not pay attention to it and just look at the pretty

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lights the high input latency yeah here

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try it I don't like it it's like gaming on a TV from like 15 20 years ago with

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vsync on you know remember when they had like 80 milliseconds of input leg on a

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TV yeah especially going from CRTs to early LCD rough quite you know 60 or 80

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but it's a lot it feels bad I don't I don't like Plus for sure I do not like

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it at all you see those fences getting all super messed up as we drive past

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them too I don't think it's just like some of it's the lights shining on them

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but some of it's really not you can also see at the bumper of our car oh yeah

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it's a huge Trail y yeah oh yeah oh yeah

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we still have to play too 605 Watts we

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cracked 600 wats

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6o however msi's liquid cooler putting

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in the work 63° Max that's

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actually really good that's pretty cool

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and we've been sitting here gaming on it oh yeah like it might have dropped a

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little bit in between sessions and stuff but like still we've been sitting here's

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I'm going to go touch it that's that's pretty good I mean I guess that's what

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happens when you put a giant Radiator on it remember I took that thing out and I

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was like wow that's hot this is like warm and that's it storm Forest fans an

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advanced pump with Automotive grade coolant uh what else they got here

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reinforcing metal back plate high quality thermal pads I mean we could say

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all this stuff but realistically the proofs in the pudding there boys is

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doing real good it's doing the work we're getting 20 FPS it's a way smoother

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20 FPS it really is cuz our 1% lows are like right below that yep it's it's an

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incredibly smooth 20 FPS like you can it

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feels that's the best 20 FPS I've felt in a long time it's solid so this still

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is not an 8K GPU in short if you're

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trying to run at these kinds of settings we don't even have raay tracing on

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brother H yeah here wait what else yeah what do we what do we what do we have on

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dude we're not even no we're we're at Ultra dlss off like let's go let's go

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medium medium yeah Med turn deis off

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yeah that's a lot better hey 70 FPS 60

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FPS okay so if you're okay with medium

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or even low like cyberpunk low you know it's not perfect but it looks pretty

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good it's amazing how much better this feels now that I'm used to like 20 like

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that's one of your that's one of your favorite things you know comparison is

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the thief of Joy right I love that well in this case comparison actually brings

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me great joy oh yeah cuz this is the best feeling 50 FPS I've ever felt

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coming from 20 I'm sure it is you know what H would I turn on a little bit of

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would I put on a little bit of would you go down from this no no I don't think I

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would no would I put on a little bit of R tracing just a little bit well it's going to go down though yeah I know but

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just a little bit of R tracing a little bit of R tracing

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okay instantly it's just a little bit of R tracing just a bit not even path

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tracing it's so easy to do in real time

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it's so

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easy I just yeah I don't know if I would turn RT on in this game not not at 8K

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not in AK we've got a whole other video coming we're going to test a bunch of

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games in 4k that we didn't check in our review some of which are going to be

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properly benchmarked by the lab some of which are just ones that we're going to

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try live that you guys asked for let's try Indiana Jones all right the first

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game to require R tracing I think we can

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almost form a conclusion now though it's

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an 8K capable card as long as you don't expect to play the latest games with r

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tracing well let's wait until we actually play

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Indiana Jones because I know cyber Punk is demanding but it is old I want to see

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how Indiana Jones goes and I want to see if we can run it at least at medium

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without path tracing okay we are not running at Supreme you don't want to run

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it Supreme no I'm not going to run it Supreme 8K come on do you just want to

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see it yeah it's got supreme in the name

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I don't like where's the red sticker then I don't like the Brand Smart Guy

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8K Supreme how does it feel you're

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getting yeah you're get over 60 now this looks great it really does this came out

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like months ago there's at least a bit of RT on because we're it requires it

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and we're in Supreme mode at 8K at 8K

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and you're getting your 1% lows are like 25 is it 50 50 55 oh wow they are and

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your average is like 62 63 I mean this

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is kind of beautiful are there rate tracing settings to turn up oh yeah I'm

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honestly very impressed and I was not

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expecting this oh hold on we have Ray

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tracing as off as it goes in this game yeah Su I see Supreme does not

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automatically turn on R tracing right well that's path tracing though is there

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just like RT that's not path Trace that's it oh okay whatever

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so yeah I can't even click it there we go so there you go this is what we were

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looking at at the start of the video was path tracing set to full got it and it

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is just obviously not happening but you know

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what this is pretty good it's playable

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and you haven't even turned on dlss yet no I haven't man that's that's actually

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not that much worse it's playable it's 35 FPS in the 1% lows which yeah for a

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competitive shooter absolutely unacceptable but for a more cinematic

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game and I wouldn't play it like this it's a

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little low it's a little low but there's a solution to

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that I don't like framen she's pretty though it does I

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just turned HDR on we didn't have it on before Oh my

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God looks so good yeah those Shadows oh

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man we're still getting like 45 FPS average no I have frame gen on you have

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frame gen on I have frame g oh how does it feel it's well

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here yeah it's not like the worst thing I've ever done it's not great but it's

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really not great it's like vsync plus yeah the funny thing is if all you've

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done is gamed with vsync on it probably

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feels fine to you yeah it's not until you game at high refresh rates without

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vsync where you're used to that like instant input that you really start to

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notice vsync and just how bad it really

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is I there's no way I can play with this it doesn't feel like 40 FPS when I'm

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moving around at all it feels more like 30ish if

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I think it feels even lower okay so with that in mind at 8K how would we play

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this game I would probably play it how we had it set earlier with Supreme RT

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set to as low as possible think we could do medium you think medium okay I bet we

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could do medium medium with dlss quality might be okay I think this is this this

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is reasonable I think this is it yeah I think this is it yeah cuz the dlss stuff

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isn't super noticeable might be more in other scenes seems fine here this is

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it's pretty playable boy is that a pretty looking game wow and boy are

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those ever playable frame rates yeah yeah it really is man this room looks so

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much better with HDR on yeah like it just it's got so much more

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range okay that's pretty decent so you're

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standing in a hallway at the end of the hallway is an RTX 590 do you walk down

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the hallway right now I'm walking further down the hallway than I did an hour ago

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I'll tell you that much I I don't want

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to spend the money that it'll cost to buy this graphics card but I really do

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want this performance but not at 8K 8K is not

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going to happen and there's good reasons for it yeah here's the thing even as a

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man who owns a monitor 8K just doesn't

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have any appeal for one thing the displays are still super expensive the

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77 in LG OLED Evo Z3 is

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$10,000 which In fairness is a third of what this was worth when it was new it's

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11 in smaller but yeah the 75 in Samsung Q 900d is more affordable at only 4500

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bucks on sale mind you but you're still paying a lot for that higher resolution

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and making matters worse the content just isn't made for it yeah while the

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screen resolution will be higher and the polygons will be sharper most games

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don't use more than 4K for their textures with most movies and TV shows

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capping out at 4K as well if you're lucky but 4K still plenty demanding and

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we saw a similar generational performance uplift at 4K in our review

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of this monster yeah so and if I'm

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seeing the improvements here between the 590 to the 49 going 8K to 4K you're

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going to see it in 4k yeah I'm going to do it at the end of the day it's a very

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expensive card but it delivers very impressive results and the older

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generation card you're coming from the more of a difference you're going to notice and I'm going to be coming from a

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30 series cuz like I said publicly I completely skipped the 40 series with

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all of that said if you're going to buy a 50 Series card we're obviously going

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to have some 50 Series products from MSI link down below including the 5090 we

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showed off today but also their 5080 Vanguard s so their new Vanguard line

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looks pretty sick and with their hyper frozer thermal design which features MSI

00:24:30.120 --> 00:24:36.159
stormforce fans their Advanced Vapor chamber and what they're calling their

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Square shaped core pipe heat pipes your card should stay cool handling the

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increased power overlast gen with ease thanks again for MSI sponsoring this

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video they're actually also sponsoring our gaming at 4k on 590 video that we're

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going to shoot next week so stay tuned if you want less review and more just

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try a bunch of games on this ludicrously fast and ludicrously expensive card if

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you guys enjoyed this video maybe go check out the first time we tried gaming

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at 8K on the 390 that was actually when we got this monster of a TV it's a long

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time ago