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When Intel's first generation ARC GPUs hit the market over 2 years ago, Luke

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and I switched to them for 30 days with results that

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were wo my FPS is at uh 9 right now.

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What the heck, dude? This is not good. That's why this time, instead of putting

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myself through pain and misery, I've lured in two unsuspecting chump, I mean

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a test subjects, to swap out their 90

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class GeForce cards for Intel's new Battle Mage B580 GPU.

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At the end of that 30 days, they're going to report on everything that's

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good and everything that's not so good. And they will have to decide if they are

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sticking with their Intel cards or going back to their old ones. Um, they'll also

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below. First things first, you guys need to pick or arm wrestle or maybe don't

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arm wrestle. figure out which of you is getting the Max Suncraft card and which

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of you is getting the ASRock Steel Legend card. Why do you guys want the

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Steel Legend? I don't know. He wanted it, so I wanted it. It's the different one. It's OC Edition. It's probably

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clocked a little faster. I'm actually okay cuz I have two systems. I can go

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matching Maxons. Okay, we're going to have to talk about that in a little bit.

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Why do you care so much about this one? Um, it's the OC edition, so it's

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probably clocked a little faster. And I just like the way it looks. Look how

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cool that looks. That does look pretty cool. Yeah, and these are probably RGB

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or they light up or something. Flow through design. Yeah, that is a really

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really small board. I know it's a be

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quite the change. With that out of the way, let's get this downgrade started.

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Now, I see you've got two computers and you are getting two cards. So, what's

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the deal with the two computers? I'm a glutton for punishment, so I just wanted twice as much pain. Oh, that's your

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girlfriend's PC, too. Yes. And I actually have ended up using it quite a

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We moved it over to the TV and we've been playing games on it a lot. So, it

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wouldn't be a fair test if I only did my downstairs computer. Wow. I'm committed.

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Brave. Shouldn't be. One concern I have right out of the gate is you said that

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this machine is going to be used for TV gaming. Mhm. I imagine that's a 4K TV.

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Oh, it sure is. We're going to find out how good XSS2 is. That's the latest

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generation of Intel's AI upscaling since obviously these cards are not going to

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be rendering modern AAA games at native 4K. Of course, it's possible that David

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and his don't play AAA games on the TV.

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I hope that's uh pretty much all I play.

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Uh okay. I know you guys have played through Boulders Skate 3, but maybe

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you're done Balders Skate 3 now. Yeah, we just finished Dragon Age Veilgard and

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uh Mass Effect Trilogy. Uh, and I'm going through Witcher 3. We're having a

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bit bit of trouble on the Witcher because I'm using the Ultra Plus settings. No ray tracing or anything,

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but even that uh, it's struggling to get 60. I don't think you'll be playing on

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ultra plus anymore. We're going to find out. One thing Arc handles well though

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is media encoding. And David, I know you used to stream, but I don't think you

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have done much lately. No, I have not, but maybe this is just the boost I need.

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I kind of doubt that. So, he won't be getting much of a benefit from one of

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Arc's biggest strong points. With that in mind, what, if anything, are you

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looking forward to? I'm seeing this as shorting the GPU market. I am planning

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on selling both of these cards immediately because everything is

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inflated with this crazy surge pricing, and I'm really hoping that in a couple

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months things calm down a little bit. I might be making the wrong choice, but

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we'll see. Interesting. So, this is a permanent change for you kind of

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regardless of the outcome. Oh,

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yeah. Risking it all for the biscuit, man. I love it. And the worst part is

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that in addition to the 7900 XT, he's

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ditching a 3090 right now. Seems like a good time to sell. They're going for

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about a,000 Canadian. I don't think it's going to stay there. I'm really counting

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on that 9070 and 970 XT to be disruptive in the market in a way that AMD hasn't

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done before. Wait, did I hear you right? You're

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betting on AMD GPU to please have a good price. We're

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recording this before the 9070 launch. It's just It's good. It's good. It's

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cool. It's nice. We like it. We're happy. I They could be cheaper. They

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could be They could be cheaper. Please don't be $900. Please don't be typical

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AMD. With that said, the scuttlebutt I heard is that AMD is going to have a ton

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of stock. That's fantastic. And I think that might drive all the price down. And

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it may actually be the truth because they've literally been shipping these to

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retailers for like two months now. That's fantastic. They delayed it because of software stuff is what I

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heard. Well, and MSRP means almost nothing these days on GPUs because

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everything is at a, you know, slightly inflated or mega inflated price. Yeah,

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even these 580s are at an inflated price. We did find one that was a pretty

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good deal with a power supply for about 335 bucks. So, it was in a bundle, but

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all the standalone cards are more like $400. Really, it's not looking good for

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David. I mean, one good thing for David is that instead of trading his faster

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GPUs for two $250 GPUs, now they're $400

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GPUs. Profit. Is there any cards with six pin

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PCIe connectors anymore? Cuz it feels so annoying. I hate these connectors. Uh,

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just do away with it. There's got to be something. I don't know. Maybe 3060s.

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Yeah, there there's at least recent enough ones that you kind of still got

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to have the 6 plus two. Not my finest work, but uh hey, at least it's not a

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12vt high power, so it probably won't melt.

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The white looks a lot better than the silver does, though. Yeah, this build looks great. How's your build? Uh, the

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white does not match yours. No, it looks a lot out of place, mind you. I mean,

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look, realistically, was this an aesthetic build anyway? No, it's the front that matters. I can see why you

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had me build the girlfriend PC.

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All right, time for Plof's downgrade. We're bringing back Intel Extreme

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downgrade. Yeah. I feel like I've made a huge

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mistake. I feel like you've made a huge mistake, too. Yeah.

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You've got a 4090. I know. The good news

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is that 4090s are at peak value right now. So, if you wanted to do the same

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thing as David and sell it, be pretty

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smart. No, I don't want to do that. I I said I wouldn't buy a 5090. So, what

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would I upgrade to? Oh, wait. You're totally going to buy a

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1590, though. I already told you I don't believe I said I wouldn't. I know what you said. I bought one. I No, I

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pre-ordered one and But that's going to buy one. That's going to him. That's

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going to him. I kept the pre-order. It's not It's from Memorex. So, like it'll

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arrive when it arrives and then he gets to go buy it. Okay. And he gets to spend

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$3,000 plus dollars Canadian. So, you are actually just putting your

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49 just on the shelf. I It's going to

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hurt. It's I'm going I'm cutting my VRM in half. It's going to hurt, but at

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least it won't hurt. So, it's really not

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going to. Um I also I also want to take the moment to check and see if

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anything's burning or melting. I don't think so cuz I'm using the squid. Looks

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good. Yeah, it seems finer. Smells good. Yeah. Yeah, it smells fine.

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What is this back plate? That's a cool RGB back plate that's covered in dust.

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It used to fit my 3090 a lot better than it fits my 4090. Doesn't fit anything.

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It's just sitting. Yeah, it just sits on top. It's going to fit the 580. It's

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blocking your flow through there. You took the screws out. Someone did. Hold

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on. I don't got the latch. Yeah, it's hard to get at. Okay, I think I got it.

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Oh, you do. Okay. Nice. Okay. Excellent.

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There it goes. Now, David was already

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concerned about running the games that he plays at the resolution that he runs

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at with a B580. Yeah. Now, you are a man

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who owns a monitor. Yes, several.

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And a man who plays a lot of cutting edge games. I do. What's your target

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resolution and frame rate typically? I don't have a lower resolution display

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right now because I'm gaming on my TV and my monitor. So, they're both 4K.

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Okay. And what kind of FPS do you expect out of your GPU? Out of my 4090 at like

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ultra settings, 60 plus, you know, in most modern games, native without DLSS

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or anything. Okay. I bet I can get you 60 plus FPS. 1080p. Not at ultra

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settings. Maybe 1440. Maybe. Maybe 1440.

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Not with this plastic all over it, though. I can go down in resolution.

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And, you know, I'm actually really excited about XCSS2. Um, it's supposed

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to be pretty good. And I'm not I'm not

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expecting the same level of quality that I'm getting now. I'm going to go to to

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low, maybe medium, probably 1440p, maybe

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even 1440p upscaling from

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1080p. But, you know, I just I want to

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try it. I think they're neat. I think that the value that you can get out of

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this graphics card, at least at, you know, proper MSRP, is actually very

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impressive. And like I said, I did find that one card that if you happen to need

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a power supply, is damn near MSRP pricing. Intel tells me that they are

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desperately working on getting enough stock out there. I think that even they

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were shocked by how good this thing was. Yeah, I've got friends who love ARC. And

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with Intel, I actually kind of believe that. Like with NVIDIA, I look at it and

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I go, "Come on, you guys are just making more AI cards, right?" But with Intel,

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especially after what a dog Alchemist was, I could legitimately see them being

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like, "Let's not make too many of these." Oh, wait. It's actually good.

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Oh, where's our other shipments? Another

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thing I'm pretty excited about. Okay, I'm going to let you finish, but is that

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a piece of masking tape holding your SSD in? Oh, yeah. I couldn't find I couldn't

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find the screw, the M.2 screw. Um, hey,

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it still works. It detects. I've never had a single issue with this SSD being

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in the bot. Sorry. What were you excited about?

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Losing the squid. Oh, yeah. Cuz I have these nice custom cables. Yeah. That

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totally don't suit the build anymore, but you know, they look pretty. The RGB

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back plate for the GPU actually fits like perfectly now. It It breaks your

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pass through cooling again. I don't care. It looks great. Oh man. Anyway,

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the point is, do you have a benefit from the

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encoding capabilities or um I mean my 4090 would probably do a better job

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anyway, but this is my Plexbox. Okay. I

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stream everything from this machine because if I'm not gaming, that's why

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it's full of hard drives. It's so heavy.

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I know. I mean, it's a little better now that that 4090 is out of it. Yeah. But

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it's still a beefy boy. All right. Why don't you show us a couple of the games you're playing right now and let's have

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a look at what kind of settings you can run. I'm only getting 1280 by

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720p. Oh, we got a DDU. I haven't. Yep. New drivers. Let's go. Being on NVIDIA

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all the time means that you can usually just huck your new card in and it'll

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pick it up. But nope, it's time to wipe everything. Yep. It might not be as easy

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as the NVIDIA app, but you know what? Just searching Intel Arc drivers took me

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right to their page and the downloads right there. I hope this is going to be

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as easy as everyone else makes it.

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With Alchemist, the drivers were pretty rough at launch, but this should be okay. It's been a while, and they've

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been, you know, just ramping up all their software development ever since

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Alchemist came out, so I'm not super worried about that. You don't seem super

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worried. I'm not I'm not worried about driver support. I'm worried just

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strictly about performance. Yeah, I don't need a monitor. Oh, that's why I

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set it up here. Oh. You look ready to go. You know, I'm

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ready to game. I've got uh my drivers are all up to date. I love that it tells

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me that rebar is enabled. Right. This is really important for getting the most

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performance out of Intel Arc both generations. Pretty much if you have an

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older system that doesn't support rebar, don't go Arc. Yeah. All right. What are

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we going to try first? Batro. Batro. Think it'll handle it? I think it'll

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handle Batro. If Batro can run on phones, it can run on a B580. Uh, one

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nice thing is this is basically literally the monitor that I have at

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home. And uh, so this is it. This is it. This is the experience. This is

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basically, you know, I might as well be at home right now. Yo, 240 FPS. Let's

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go. That's all I need. Let's roll this flush. Yeah. Go Batro. Go. Let's confirm

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this is better than your 4090. Well, better. I don't know. Okay. Well, let's

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whatever. It runs Bolatro. Great. I'm not going to I'm not going to keep going with Bolatro. Uh, Dota. I'm curious

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though because uh we do know I play a lot of Dota. Mhm. You know, some people

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said that, "Oh, what does this guy need a 5090 for? All he plays is Dota."

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That's not true. I might have a lot of hours in Dota, but that's over like

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years score. This looks I hear the fans going the menu. We got like 250 frames a

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second. Let me make sure all my settings didn't get changed or anything. Oh, it

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defaulted. It defaulted to basic settings. I thought it looked awful. So,

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I'll use advanced and I'll turn on all the things that I would normally Oh, not

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sync that I would normally have on. Okay, we're not in game. It's already

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struggling a bit. Like, this doesn't usually uh hitch that bad. I'm just

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playing against bots, so I can skip ahead. I'm getting 160 170 frames a

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second. Something looks bad, though. Game screen render quality was at 40%.

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That's why. That's why. Okay. Uh-oh.

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We're in trouble, boys. It looks better. I'm still getting 140 150 frames a

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second. Now that's weird. Your 1% lows

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were under 100 when it was rendering at 40%. Yeah, now they're fine. Now it's

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just dead even frame times. Okay, that I

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cannot explain. Okay, well, you know, Dota 4K ultra settings, like don't get

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me wrong, it's not 240 Hz like my monitor supports, but like 150 in a MOA,

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that seems pretty. That's fine. And this is totally playable. Let's try seven

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rebirth. This is going to be tough though because remember with the 5090,

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surprisingly it didn't improve performance all that much. So what I'd

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really like to see is how much it's going to dip when I take multiple steps

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down. Still installing graphics drivers. Okay, see you later, David. I don't know

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if it's still set to ultra. I'm going to find out in a second, but I'm getting 40

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FPS. It's not set to ultra and 21 FPS.

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Hold on. Let's just let's just take a look see. It looked like it might have

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been set to 4K. Yeah, it is set to 4K. VSync on. Oh, no. No, it's not. Oh, it's

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dynamic resolution scaling. Okay, 100%. So, it's not even But it was set to

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ultra. So, here, like, let's just go straight to medium. This is a very

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PlayStation 5 level experience. You're getting 40 FPS. I like that my 1% lows

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aren't awful. Yeah, even frame pacing. That's something. It's It's cool. Uh,

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want to take us outdoors? Okay, so this is just outside the like 1% lows in the

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20 FPS range. It's playable. I don't

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think you're playing it at 4K, bro. No, probably not. I'll turn on resolution

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scaling. Okay, let's have a look. Okay, 66% is a lot better. This is way better.

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Oh, dude. Yeah. Yeah, this is fine. Fine. Totally fine. This is fine. Okay.

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Okay. I'm I'm feeling pretty good about this already. David, you ready? No. I

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don't know what rebar is. I'll try another game. It got very upset when I

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closed the game. That's not what my desktop background looks like. Wait,

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David, how old is this BIOS? Does it say copyright 2019? Sure does. Your BIOS is

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from 2019, bro. Let's flash a new BIOS on here, and then

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I'm sure we'll be able to find resizable bar. It did fix itself after a while,

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but it also, for whatever reason, reverted my display to 60 Hz.

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All right, we're on Path of Exile now. Yeah, it's got XCSS support. Yeah. Okay,

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I went down to balanced. Uhoh. And I had

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to turn some stuff to low or medium. I don't think you're getting AA, dude.

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Well, you know what, though? It looks okay. Actually, this does kind of look

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okay. It's not that bad. And I'm getting like 50 plus 1%s. X looks all right.

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Yeah, like I'm actually not super disappointed with this. Normally playing

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controller, so I can't even remember what my keybinds are for mouse. Yeah, but it doesn't it doesn't auto switch

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yet. Oh, okay. I died. But 80 plus, you

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know, 1%s are dipping. It actually looks not bad. And it looks okay. You know

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what's going to be interesting about this experiment to see if you get a

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little less diva. Will you appreciate your 4090 more when you go back to it? I

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think so. I think I'll appreciate it more. You know, it's not perfect, but

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it's pretty good. Yeah. And soon David will get to enjoy

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it. Hey, there we go. Yeah. Copyright

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2024. That's more like it. Do you guys think that a normal person would go

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through this for a freaking graphics card? No, I don't think most people know

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how to enable rebar um update their BIOS or update their

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BIOS. People watching these videos probably do, but but you know, stay

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cool, guys. Man, that's a good looking PC and with

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that white GPU. Yeah, love it. Cloud uh

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storage is kind of the best because I can switch between my Steam Deck and my PC uh whenever I want. Yeah, dude. Steam

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cloud save was such a game changer. Every time I used to format, that was

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the thing I would be most scared of cuz photos, I had all my stuff organized. It

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was all fine. But games, some of them would go to the my games folder. Some of

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them would be in my documents. Some of them would be in program files and then

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next to the game executable like and so you had to go look it up game by game to

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make sure you didn't lose all your save data. My big complaint is that you can't manually choose which like file to save.

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It does it automatically and it like it'll ask you if you want to overwrite

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and then you can say no and figure it out. But it's it'd be nice if I could

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like specifically be like that file is the one I want. Download it right now.

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Okay, here we go. You know what? She's a little soft. But I I played with 1080p

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FSR at home cuz I sit fairly far away

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from my computer. So FSR balanced. I guess it's just Ew. You're not playing

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with motion blur on, are you? Yeah, I like motion blur because I want my games

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to look like movies in motion. The clarity is definitely reduced, but we're

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also inches from a 65 in display. That's

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fair. Like, go 10 ft away and tell me how it looks. Okay, I'm going to sit at

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what would be a comfortable distance. Okay, you know what? It's fine. Yeah,

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fine. I'll allow it. It looks a little

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like jittery and low FPSy, but I think that's just cuz you're on a mouse. It's

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okay. Don't worry. We will all be judging you. Let's judge him.

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Not fair. I don't have a control. Oh god.

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This is actually totally fine. Not even that much worse than it was. Like I was

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at a lock 60 and this is, you know, 5253. Um, and so I'll have to tinker

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with the settings a little bit because I'm playing on a nonVRR display. But

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still, I'm actually pretty impressed. This is very usable and looks really

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good. Are you actually rendering at 4K? It looks No, no, no, no. This is 1080p.

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Okay. This is uh FSR. Man, they need to flood the market with these things and

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get them down to 249, 259, even 269,

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I'll accept. You know, it's a pretty nice price, but they've got to get it

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close. Well, the fact that I'm we're both having decent experiences on like

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very challenging displays to use, I'm

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very impressed already. Not bad. Detail in the foliage is not great, but our

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character models are pretty good, and I'm not seeing a ton of ugly aliasing

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