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fundamentally a mini LED is just an LED

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but smaller so I can understand why some people wouldn't be that excited about it

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but hold on because mini LED that's the

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same technology that enabled Apple to create their upcoming iPad Pro that

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everyone is so excited about except that

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on Samsung's new generation of Neo QED TVs you can have it in a display that's

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up to 85 in diagonally on paper they've

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got all the benefits of quantum dot like crazy brightness accurate and wide gamut

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color and resistance to burn in and they

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could even deliver black levels that are competitive with OLED that that is a lot

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to live up

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to in the high-end TV space today you essentially have two competing

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Technologies qled which is short for quantum dot LED backlit LCD and OLED

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which is short for organic LED you've probably heard me call OLED the best TV

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technology on the market and justifiably so its main advantage is that each

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individual pixel act say its own backlight and can be turned off

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individually allowing the color black to be just actually black as in a complete

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lack of light however it's not for everyone at least as of the 2020 model

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OLED displays just aren't bright enough that I would call them a perfect option

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for a well it environment like this one although LG did Just Launch their second

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gen OLED panels which are supposedly much brighter get subscribed so you

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getting back to more traditional display designs though when you've got a

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backlight shining through one or multiple filter layers the only way to

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achieve black is to remove or block as

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much of that light as you can now with a simp single full screen backlight the

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best that you could really do was a washed out sort of bluish purpley black

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that makes it virtually impossible for older TVs to display HDR or high dynamic

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range content to combat this manufacturers came up with the idea of

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splitting the backlight into zones that could be individually dimmed to reduce

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the amount of light in dark areas of the scene making them more black or well

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rather less lit really cool but when you

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only have 50 zones for example on a 75in

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display they can be pretty large and very obvious resulting in something

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called the halo effect which is just a fancy way of saying wow I can really see

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where the backlight zones are and they're super distracting it's

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especially noticeable when a user interface element comes up over top of a

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dark background like a loading Circle or media controls that's not to say though

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that there aren't any TVs with lots of backlight zones like Vizio's P series

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Quantum x for example which has 480 on the 75in model but even that is not

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really competitive with the nearly 8.3 million zones on an equivalent 4K OLED

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so either oleds need to get brighter qleds need to get enough backlighting

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zones to effectively eliminate the halo effect or we just need something else

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alt together before we end up with something that I would call the ideal

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viewing experience regardless of the environment now Samsung themselves are

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working on microed displays which would

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similarly to OLED displays have pixel level control but they are not how you

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say price feasible for the average end user just yet that long history lesson

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is where Neo qled comes in this is Samsung's first 4A into mini LED

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technology mini LEDs were developed to help shrink the backlight LEDs down as

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much as possible in an effort to add more dimming zones and this is the same

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approach that Apple takes with their new iPad Pro

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except that it has nearly 10,000 mini

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LEDs contributing to 2500 zones on just

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a 12.9 in display that is very

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impressive density to say the least this TV by contrast pun intended isn't

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anywhere near the level that apple is able to achieve more on that later but I

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still want to give it a shot so let's

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uh oh gosh well just finished the setup

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process here and it's got a nice phone wizard to make the setup easier like

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most modern TVs and consoles um but one thing that did stand out that was

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positive was that Samsung allows you to choose your own voice assistant rather

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than forcing you to use Bixby that truly

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is a pretty nice touch now price-wise the Q 85a we have here is at nearly the

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same price level as LG's 2020 model oleds like the C10 at each size so we

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grabbed a 48 in c10 for our image quality comparison don't mind the fact

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that they are a little bit different in terms of size now both of them are in

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their default filmmaker modes for the most accurate representation of the

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original footage but it is worth noting that these modes are not typically the

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brightest that they can do in a bright room and this is a very bright room

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we've got direct sunlight coming in bouncing off the floor over at the other

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end there we've got all the lights on they look kind of similar if you lied to

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me and said that's an OLED and that's an

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OLED I'd be like okay it looks totally

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fine I don't notice any Bloom nope

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it's hard to tell in these scenes though but no it looks good if it's hard to

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tell that means they're doing a good job y so what I've read is that Samsung's

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algorithm for doing this sort of stuff is very passive like they really try to

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not have Bloom as opposed to seeking the blackest possible black levels so like

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if you if you notice in certain scenes if you have very dark and just a small

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amount of light that light will not look very bright is LG in like a warm preset

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for its filmmaker mode because honestly the Samsung looks way more true to life

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to me there's your problem warm two try

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warm one thanks for that yeah that looks pretty much the same r one that's pretty

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close try cool or medium medium I'm I

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think that's it okay you know what there is a little bit of green in the

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Samsung Just a Touch now I kind of want to play around with this one too there

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we go that

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is damn close

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holy crap so off AIS over here it still

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looks pretty green to me oh okay well here let me let me move for a sec okay

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holy crap okay so sitting straight on wow they are very similar now this one

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looks too green at least in this scene I think we're at the point now where we're

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splitting hairs finely enough that it's pretty clear that either of these TVs

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with 15 seconds in the menu yeah you

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could get to whatever look you want but it's like I what I'm trying to look

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at is the contrast and like in this scene you can see that that sort of

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metal structure in the back you can see more in the darks in this TV and I think

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that's just the additional brightness that This TV has mhm but in terms of

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like blacks like even the Bottom bar

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yeah looks totally black cuz I have an older qled that doesn't have very many

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dimming zones and when I'm watching a movie like this you will see the black bars bottom it's awful it's awful

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honestly it's one of the reasons that regardless of everything else I made the

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switch to OLED as soon as I could because sitting especially in a dark

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room and seeing that bloom around the image on Ultra wide content for sure

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it's very distracting okay so this room is very bright like more bright than

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your living room would be but I think this TV is acceptable and this one is

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just like maybe 10% darker than I want it to be so maybe the next Generation

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would be enough might actually it might be enough wow look at this look at that

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that's insane yeah and but you don't lose any of the detail in the darks too

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like I've seen in the past like in look at his face you see more in his face for

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sure yep what does it feel like off axis though it's fine it's fine yeah I mean

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one thing I noticed when it when it was on the test bench before when we just

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had it on the floor was that standing above it is not as good but if Samsung's

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smart they would have tuned this thing to watch from either level or below and

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the reason for that is a lot of people Mount these on their fireplaces oh for sure they're monsters but they do it so

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Samsung's got to be ready for it I'm like actually shocked I'm I'm pretty

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surprised too because I was not expecting them to perform this similarly

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side by side I was like beaten on it before when we had it set up that it was

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below us because the bloom was bad off axis but now it looks it looks great

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yeah wow for PC use I would still go

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OLED regardless yeah because when you've got a mouse cursor moving around or

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whatever there's no amount of dimming zones that you can have that's going to

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deliver a perfect experience there okay but should we try them in a dark

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room we definitely should now it's time for the real test LTT Store.com by the

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way we're in a dark room now all we've got is the bare minimum amount of light

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we need for filming

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and this is where you would see more Bloom yeah there's no ambient light to

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hide it y I am really impressed I was

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kind of expecting this to just be kind of a blowout pun intended yeah not not

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only can I still see a ton of detail in extremely dark parts of the scene on the

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qad which means that they haven't just turned the backl off basically in those

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areas like we're we're still getting light through but I can see the

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difference between the black bar and

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almost black bottom like the black a camera captured you know what I mean

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which is not quite black look at the bottom left yeah I can totally see it I

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can see the line and I'm off axis all the way across I'm very far off angle

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and it looks pretty damn good this is good for an IPS display like there's not

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much backlight bleed I was kind of expecting a different conclusion today

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you were you were a bigger Downer I told him I was like I want to try this TV and

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he's like I was so sure this was going to end

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up as a manufacturer say and we were so

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wrong it's almost like Samsung went and bought some LG TVs and when they were

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working on the pricing for this they were like we know what this is compe

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went should I buy one of these if we did a blind taste test of this pick the OLED

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I don't think people could figure it out accurately do you think you could I don't think I could not without getting

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really close yeah if I okay you know what let's try it yeah if I get in here

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really close I can see the bloom but that's only if I use my hand to block

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the brighter parts of the image cuz what you got to understand is the way your

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eye works you've got a fixed amount of dynamic range that is the brightest or

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darkest things you can perceive at a time but just like a camera you can

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actually close the iris so that that range moves up to perceive differences

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in brighter objects or open it up your pupil remember and you can see a greater

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range of things that are dimmer so bottom line as long as there's enough

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contrast almost black will look black we

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just hadn't gotten there yet so long answer yes I could tell short answer no

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not from an actual reasonable viewing distance well we had a scripted kind of

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outro where we summarized everything but I'm probably going to have to kind of

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wing it at this

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point before we conclude I want to come back to the question of dimming zones

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though Samsung hasn't officially released information on how many zones

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the 75 in q& 85a has Samsung Supreme is

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not a number just release proper spec sheets but other reviewers have

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painstakingly counted 1,3 20 on the 85

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in variant and just under 800 on the 65

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in that puts us at around 1,000 for the 75 which sounds a lot less impressive

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when you compare it to the iPad especially when you consider the size

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but it's about double what viio was able to do with normal LEDs last year and so

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while it might not be an earth shattering increase in zones we have to

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consider that this is their first mass Market display making use of this

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technology and that see this is where I got to add the result is actually really

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really good enough about video though I want to talk about audio for a bit as a

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soundbar pleb another feature I wanted to check out is Samsung's Q Symphony and

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it's basically a way for your TV and your Soundbar to work together using the

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speakers from both to enhance the audio experience it actually launched with

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Samsung's last year QBs but I haven't gotten a chance to try it yet so I

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figured what the hey we're all set up anyway actually they didn't send a

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soundar so I had to go buy one but than that it was very little

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effort H

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well that's really unfortunate I was

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really hoping to compare just the TV to just the soundbar to the two of them

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working together and I just don't think I'm going to be able to do it our thingss did say that this Soundbar has

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trouble in environments with a lot of interference like uh our office

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and there's like constant hiccups it's

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kind of unusable actually Soundbar aside my expectations were subverted today and

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having seen the 85 I'm now pretty curious about the 90 which uses a VA

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rather than an IPS panel and is rated for even higher brightness though it

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does have the same number of zones with that said there's a lot of competition

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on the market LG has their basically Monopoly on OLED panels at least

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high-end ones Samsung is pushing towards micro LED themselves and there's other

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players like high sense with those sweet like dual full cell displays they have a

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second 1080p monochrome LCD layer that does almost pixel level lighting control

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