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The second that tech companies like Sony

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and Asus started putting liquid metal in their electronics, it was a matter of

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time before this happened. Through some combination of an imperfect seal and

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maybe a little bit of user carelessness, some of the liquid metal in my Asus ROG

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Flow X13 laptop leaked out from under the cooler, which resulted in this. Man,

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I still want to try to resurrect it, but if I'm being honest, this thing is

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probably hooped. See, regular thermal paste is intentionally so non-conductive

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that we were able to game on a PC that had its CPU socket literally filled with

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the stuff. Liquid metal on the other hand, well, it's highly conductive. It's

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metal. And it only takes the tiniest spill to bridge a couple of contacts,

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cause a short, and probably brick your device. Man, I really hope not. This is

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like a current-gen one with like a 4070 in it, but nothing's over till it's

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over, and this isn't over until we dig deeper and see if we can resurrect this

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machine. Just like I'm going to resurrect this

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>> [music]

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>> After my Framework investment disclosure, the first thing I've got to do is come clean to you guys because I

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have not exactly been careful with this machine. I'm talking everything from

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holding it by the corners while I'm typing on it, tossing my computer

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backpack around with the laptop in it,

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uh lttstore.com, and even while it's

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still warm, putting it vertically into

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my bag, which is perhaps the most dangerous thing I did. But real talk,

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aren't we all a little careless sometimes? I mean, this doesn't seem

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that bad, does it? Stop it. No, leave it alone. There's

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been no real damage to the chassis, so Asus has clearly built a pretty rugged

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machine, at least on the outside, but a

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sudden impact, especially while the machine is warm, may have contributed to

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jarring some of the liquid metal loose from the protective shim. First, I'll

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just give you guys a bit of a tour of what I saw when I first opened it up.

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So, I cracked it open and first noticed this. The way it was spread out told me

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that there had been some force involved in the liquid metal coming loose. I then

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continued to poke around inside, finding liquid metal on this heat spreader here,

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on the PCB here, and as far away as this

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screw in the corner of the machine here. That one was scary. That is very far for

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it to travel. The symptoms weren't actually exactly what I showed you guys

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at the beginning of the video. It does power on, it just

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doesn't [music] boot. So, I'm maybe a little bit hopeful, but not that

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hopeful. Oops, I'm definitely doing these in the wrong order. Oh, what is it going to be?

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More dead? I'm giving myself a 20% chance of this thing working again after

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today. Oh my god. I thought like, oh,

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it's probably that time that I like really tossed my bag, and it probably

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all came No, no, no. This has been like seeping out, boys. Just like Sony, Asus

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developed a gasket that is intended to keep all of the liquid metal between the

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CPU die and the cooler without allowing it to leak out onto the sensitive

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components that either could be shorted out or, in some cases, even corroded. Uh

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most liquid metal that I'm aware of contains gallium, [music] which is highly corrosive to aluminum,

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for instance, which is often present in computer systems. In order to achieve a

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good seal, it's typical to have a protective covering around the chip that

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the gasket seals against. As we can see here, though, the mounting pressure of

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these springs is not that high, which

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appears to have allowed the liquid metal to seep out in between. And it's

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like everywhere. To be clear, there's nothing

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wrong with using a low mounting pressure. Dawsdude1, back when he came

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up for our collab upgrading MacBooks, pointed out that Apple uses extremely

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low mounting pressure on some of their cooling solutions. The difference is

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that Apple uses [music] a special thermal compound that is designed for

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low mounting pressure applications. Liquid metal, on the other hand,

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definitely benefits from high mounting pressure and definitely benefits from

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not spilling all over the place. Sorry, Asus, I'm not trying to harp on you here, but like, yikes. Do you think

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trying to turn it on and off again was dangerous?

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>> Yep. >> [laughter] >> Applying power to any device that you

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think has been shorted or corroded or experienced liquid damage in any way is

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extremely risky and dangerous. I had no way of knowing, however, that that was

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the issue with this device because I hadn't opened it up yet, and I hadn't

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exposed it to any water or corrosive materials. The leak was inside us all

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along. The real leak was the friends we made along the way.

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I was really hoping to avoid taking out the battery, but I don't think that's

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happening. That tray? Oh my god, it's just tape. My

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motherboard is taped in. Okay, if it's all over the back, I think we could

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[music] be cooked. The back is clean. Well, that's a good sign. How the devil

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did it make it all the way over here? I have a theory. If it was traveling along

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the heat pipes of the cooler, it was probably staying warm the entire time while it was traveling down.

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>> [music] >> Interest. You know what? We might be able to

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resurrect this bad boy after all. First thing we need to do is clean it.

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And speaking with Allen Splave, who you guys might remember from some recent

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overclocking adventures we've done, he said the best thing is an organic

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solvent. So, I guess good old-fashioned isopropyl and elbow grease? Allen

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recommends starting with a spatula or a scraper. So, we're going to get up as

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much of this as we can using that before we start to wipe. Step two, wipe up as

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much of the grease as possible with paper towel. I don't know how well this

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is going to work for in between some of the components on the board. Oh god,

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there was a lot in that crack for this fan filter. As soon as I started to wipe

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here, it spread out like nuts. I think it's kind of a cool aesthetic.

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Yeah, thanks, Stephen. How much you think's under here? Oh, not bad. So,

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there's a bit here, here, here, here, and here. [music] These little balls

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here that are shorting out on stuff, these are bad balls. He really

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recommends spatulating this before I cuz I feel like I've got kind of an

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opportunity here to kind of slide it all off of this thing. I mean, if you want

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to say in front of the world that you think you know better than Splave.

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I'm just going to >> To be fair, the instructions you you [music] sent it seems like they're for

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his like hybrid product, right? >> No, it should be fine. You know what?

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Here's what we're going to do. We're going to pull this off, and we're going to wipe that off. Okay, good. That wiped

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off super clean. The bottom of this heat spreader, though, yuck. Oh, man, we

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started out so tidy. This has clearly devolved at this point.

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Okay, mostly clean. I mean, I'm like

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oscillating between extremely confident and zero confidence here.

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Sounds like me in high school. I found your problem, Asus. You've got so much

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freaking liquid metal in here. Look at all of this. Does more liquid

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metal result in better performance? No. But it results in a more consistent

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application where you definitely won't have too little. Can you see all that?

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That's all the stuff that's not even on the die. I understand why they would do

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it this way because if you have too little liquid metal, it's obviously not

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going to be able to do its job. Not a big chunk of it. At what point would you

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just go, we're going to dip it? Basically, if you get off as much as you

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can, and it's not enough. Yeah, you can do the dip. But I'm going to try to get

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off as much as I can. I'm going to try to set a good example here. See, that little dot contains now, but once it

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melts, the way this stuff spreads out, man. Actually finding the knife blade pretty

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good for removing chunks of it. But isn't that dangerous for damaging the

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PCB? I mean, what am I going to do? Make it more dead? Imagine if Yeah, imagine

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if I was to Oh. [ __ ] Ah, shoot.

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What'd you do? I was trying to peel liquid metal off of a little capacitor,

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and I pulled it up. [ __ ] Did I rip the pad off, though? Maybe

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not. I think we can salvage this. >> got soldering tools. Yeah, we got

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soldering tools. Ooh. Yeah, I see. I think the pad's intact. Okay, well, if

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the pad's intact, we're Yeah, we're fine. Fine. Oh, no.

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Dude, I think the liquid metal is loosening the solder. What?

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That doesn't even make any sense. What's the material of solder? If it's

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lead-free, then it's usually tin and or silver. This one right here was like

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flooded in liquid metal and [music] just lifted right off. Liquid metal can

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absorb into solder, making it brittle and causing components to detach [music]

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from the board. I knew I didn't push on it that hard.

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>> Dude, we're using a knife. No, no, yeah, but I was I was using the knife as a

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delicate tool. [music] That's what my father's murderer said. Are we going to try and attach

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components to the board? >> I think we should try. Before we can reattach those components, however, I do

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want to get off as much of the liquid metal as we can. So, what we're going to

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do is use this hot air station at the lowest possible temperature, and then

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use some solder wick to try to get up the last bit of it. And it just walks

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around. Get over here, buddy. It's not grabbing the solder wick. Mhm. You know

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what? New method. I'm using the solder wick as a brush. This might be our best

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bet right now. >> I can't wait for the 500 comments all

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detailing the better ways to do this. Oh, yeah.

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If you guys wanted the better way, you wouldn't watch LTT, though.

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Man, I wish I could blow even harder, which normally would not be something

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you would want. You can actually see a lot of the little pieces making their

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way to the edge here. This is crazy. I would never do this to a working board.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, we're moving it. See that?

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Not really. You don't see it moving? >> Yeah, look at all that residue that you're creating.

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>> Andrew sees it. >> Yeah, I got it. Yeah, but the residue I can deal with. A big glob between these

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components that's bridging them, I can't. You can see how much of it I'm

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getting out of there now though. Okay,

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okay, things about to get crazy. We're already way past the crazy crazy zone,

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man. That's what you think.

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Guess what? It's lined day. We are squeezing the Do you want a smaller

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vessel? Nope.

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I don't think we're going to get much cleaner than that. Now I just have to clean off these caps that fell off the

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board. Those kind are non-polarized. Nice. And with this cleaned up, we can

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head over to the workshop and try and reattach them. I mean, look, Das Dude

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one did stuff that was like a tenth [music] this size. So, if I can't do

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this, then I might as well just hang up my screwdriver. This is wild, dude. I

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was not expecting this adventure to be so interesting. Damn, there's still a

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little bit of liquid metal on that one. Oh, we'll wipe it off. There. Okay,

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where's our tweezers at? I actually never really work at this station, so

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that one goes there, and this one goes here. Hey Justin, you might want to have

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a look at this. There's one that I'm not 100% sure on, and it's the right

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>> side one here. It looks okay to me though. To find out if that pad's intact, Justin's throwing some flux on

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the board, and then he's going to tin it. If the tin sticks,

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it means the pad's still there. Well, we appear to be okay. Nice. Yeah, just do

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the one, Justin. >> [laughter]

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>> I'm just messing with him. I said I'd do it.

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I gave up. Justin's doing it. Okay, so you got one on. I feel a lot better

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because this is taking him a little while.

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Oh, jeez. Yeah, oh, I guess you're done then. >> you go, Mr. Lines. Brilliant.

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And you guarantee it works, Justin? Yeah, 100%. It's not going to fail.

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Barring what Linus did. Wait.

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Yeah, you can't even tell where it was, dude, can you? I know you put it in the wrong spot.

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What do you mean? >> [laughter]

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>> All right. >> for real this time. Yeah, I mean, that kind of looks on there, right? I was poking poking it

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with this. It wasn't moving, so I think it's okay. Okay. Well, let's see if it

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works. Good luck, everybody. Good luck, everybody.

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Ah, fudge. I got so absorbed in the adventure that I forgot to clean the

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cooler. Dude, what an adventure this has been, whether we get a working laptop

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out of it or not. Yeah, the real laptop was the friends you made along the way.

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Thanks, David. Time to get my birth-iversary on. Hell yeah. Everybody,

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it's Justin's birthday. Hey, happy birthday, Justin. Oh, thank you. The

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real birthday. I mean, there's certain things that I

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don't really have to plug in just to find out if it's going to work, like these Wi-Fi antennas, but feel like if

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I'm putting it back together, I might as well swing for the fences, right?

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>> Yeah, baby. Is uh liquid metal good for you? Oh, dude, Silver Surfer. Direct

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contact with liquid metal can be harmful.

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And the severity depends on the specific type of metal.

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Liquid mercury Okay, no. What is it? Is it liquid Yeah, but what is it? >> It's a gallium. Yeah, you're fine. No,

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I'm just So long as you don't ingest it. Uh okay, let's get some PTM 7950.

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So, we were looking it up. Are your fingers feeling tingly yet? No. But

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my brain is feeling pretty excited about my laptop working again. Unlike the

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liquid metal we had on here before, it doesn't actually matter if we apply too

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much PTM 7950 [music] because it is non-conductive, and it is an ideal

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thermal paste for direct die cooling like we're doing here. I still can't

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believe that it knocked those components [music] off the board. Yeah, does that

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mean that there's more than a little bit on it? Potentially. But they didn't

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break right now, so Yep. So, they're not my problem. Okay,

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battery's connected, boys. This is it. It's showtime.

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>> [sighs] >> Ah. >> [laughter]

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>> Work. It continues coming to screw I really want this to work. I really like

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this laptop. And now that I've gone and trashed on Asus's thermal compound,

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Asus is probably not going to send me another one. So, I really need to fix

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it. Here we go. Oh, these are coming soon, by the way.

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Finally, I just saw the final packaging design very recently. I'm super super

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excited for our cables. Is it even Is there a charging

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indicator? Normally, yes. Wow, this is like

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more deader than I would have anticipated. The only thing I'm thinking

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is that cap might not be

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on right. Is it worth putting all the screws in like It is probably worth

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trying, yes. Wait, I missed a fan header. Okay, that

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actually might prevent it from doing anything. Like a couple I can see, but

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for it to not have any indication whatsoever that I have something plugged

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into it, like

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The charging light's on. >> [sighs]

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>> This is this is the behavior that I saw before. So, let's not get too excited

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here. I think we're cooked.

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Try the like Asus charger. Who knows? It can be a thing though. Using the OEM

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charger can enable it to quick charge a little bit faster from a very dead

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state. Hey, well, definitely thinks it's charging still.

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So thirsty since I didn't drink anything today. >> Five minutes later.

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No days through. As tragic as that was, we still want to

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find out if the liquid metal is worth risking the life of your laptop for. To

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do that, we're going to hand this laptop over to the lab so they can test it before we replace the liquid metal with

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PTM 7950. Well, we [ __ ] around.

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Time to find out. Unfortunately, we were not able to repair my machine, but we do

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have our backup machine here, and we ran a bunch of tests in the Labs with the

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liquid metal from the factory, and now we've replaced it with PTM 7950 to find

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out. We really like F1 24 as a thermal benchmark because, yes, it stresses the

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system extremely hard, especially when we're running it with ray tracing like

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this, but also, it's a real-world load.

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We're not in just running a power virus. That's what they're called? Really?

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Yeah. Sounds so hardcore to say. Like combustor or like OCCT. That's my

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favorite metal band.

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And this is not what we expected. We

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intended to just do an ad hoc test here on the set and be like, "Hmm, yeah,

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well, the CPU temperatures are they look about the same." Yeah, that's not what

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happened. It turns out that our result was that with the PTM 7950 thermal pad,

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we actually got either slightly better thermals or we got about the same

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thermals with a slightly higher clock speed on the CPU, meaning that the

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liquid metal did not outperform our phase change thermal pad except in

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extreme CPU loads. So, we can see why Asus chose to use it. We need to be

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really careful about this because that pad is available on lttstore.com, and we

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didn't want to oversell it. We don't know for sure if on a higher-end

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configuration of this laptop, you would get the same result. Remember, this is

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not quite the same machine that we originally started with. Maybe Asus has

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certain configurations where the liquid metal really does give a tangible

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benefit, but as far as it went here, no, it didn't. And PTM 7950 is supposed

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to improve ever so slightly over time

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while lasting a very, very long time, which I couldn't necessarily say about

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