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HAPPY FRIDAY EVERYBODY. We've got a great show lined up for you. It is the
first day of the second month of Good
News Wow. That's right. The ratio of
good news to bad news has to be I forget what we settled on, but it's pretty much
mostly good news this week. Starting with something that is like a blast from
my childhood past. The one and only Zs
Knight, original developer of Z SNES,
is back. Zess is back. Completely
rewritten from scratch. I actually haven't tried it yet, but I intend to
this weekend. I'm super excited to talk about that. Also, we've got to be
talking about Oh, no. I don't want to talk about that.
Oh, this one's good. Microsoft has
committed in something that they are codenaming K2 seemingly as an
acknowledgement of the mountain they have to climb a concerted effort to fix
Windows. Very excited to talk about that. What else we got?
>> Uh I took mine Toyota. >> You know I try baby.
>> Toyota did what people have thought about for a really long time which is they took a chair from a car and they
put it on a stand with some wheels on it and they called it a computer chair.
Toyota's limited edition $3,500 Crown gaming chair has heating, cooling, and
USBC seat seat belt buckle. I didn't
even know that part. It's so expensive.
Ah, >> but cheaper than a real Toyota. >> That's true. Maybe not much more than a
used one. Um, and I don't know. We've
got stuff. There's other stuff. We sponsored a drift car.
>> Really? You went with that? >> I don't know. Sure.
I saw a better one right under it.
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partner, also Razer. >> If you were a famous musician, what
genre would you >> want to be in? >> What's the most annoying genre?
>> No, I think it's called noise. >> Is it? >> No, I think it's called noise.
>> Is that a thing, >> Dan? Tell me something. What What do you
think? >> I would defin knows way infinitely more about this than either of us.
>> I'm going with Sure. >> I would definitely be cringey cringey.
>> You agree? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> I'd be cringey pop style music for like
moms at this point. I think I think that would be that would be my best shot.
>> I don't know. Taylor Swift. Um,
if I could if I had half the talent that Taylor Swift has in one thigh, then I
could hope to be, you know, more like Taylor Swift. But no, no, I'm afraid I
might have thighs, but they're not talented. Uh, let's jump right in.
>> Hold on one second. Noise music, or simply noise, is a subgenre of
experimental music that is characterized by its use of unwanted noise as a
primary musical element.
So, that's that's I think that's probably the most annoying one.
It's just terrible. Often featuring little or no melody, rhythm, or harmony.
>> That just sounds like someone was taking the piss. >> It's just terrible.
>> And then it just accidentally a whole genre.
>> All right. You're No, no, we're not. We're not.
>> It's important that everyone knows about noise. Okay. Sorry. Yeah.
>> Microsoft has created an internal initiative called K2 to fix Windows 11.
Apparently, it's been going on for a while, though. >> They have finally admitted to themselves
that Windows 11 is a giant boatload of
suck. And according to sources inside Microsoft is using the K2 initiative to
fix the operating system's biggest pain points and win, pun intended, back user
trust. The company is also reportedly
intentionally pivoting away from shipping new features as fast as
possible and refocusing on quality. You
know, it's kind of amazing
how every time a company is like having
big big problems, the idea is, hey,
why don't we stop intentionally sucking?
Actually, I wish that was often the solution. I I went on a rant about this
recently, but not on camera. So, here you go. Ready for it? Here comes the Tim
Horton's WAN Show rant. >> Oh, hell yeah. This made me so angry. I
was talking to an American or something and they were basically like, "Well,
yeah." Yeah, right. You know, you know, right? Like, bud, like Tim Hortons, right? Y'all Canadians, y'all like the
Tim Hortons, right, Bud? Instantly triggered. >> And and I was basically like
>> instantly triggered. Okay, let me
clarify because yes, I do like Tim
Hortons, but there's a bit of a temporal issue with that statement because while
it was once true for me and every proud
Canadian, it is no longer true. Tim Hortons is now owned by restaurant
brands, which seriously, did they go to
that to the LTT Store of naming?
We're going to have a company that owns restaurant. What should we call it?
Let's call it restaurant brands.
That aside, okay, restaurant brands is owned by like Black Rockck and some
Brazilian conglomerate, like a bunch of private equity. There is nothing
Canadian about Tim Hortons anymore. Oh yeah. >> And after all of that happened, Tim
Hortons went, at least here on the West Coast, I've been told that on the east
on the eastern side, some of them do still bake the donuts fresh in store. So
really here on the West Coast, they went from baking the donuts fresh in store
every day. Their slogan used to be always fresh. Always Tim Hortons. That
was their slogan. Now they're still always Tim Hortons, but they're a gross,
messed up, not fresh version of it. Like you you could get a brand new like the
freshest doughnut in Tim Hortons. It'll taste like it's 3 days old these days.
It It's so It's so bad. It's It's
absolutely disgusting. Uh how did I get on the subject of Tim Hortons?
>> I literally to be honest. Oh, right.
When companies start sucking >> Right. Okay. So, this was a while back.
This must have been like a year ago at this point, but it like it made its way
into my news feed that Tim Hortons was experiencing less than stellar growth
and customer engagement. And on a shareholder call, okay, on a shareholder
call, they're literally acknowledging soft sales and they go,
>> "Yeah, so here's our plan. We're gonna
really like double down on the Canadana
in our marketing and like you know little kids skating on outdoor hockey
rinks and maple leaves and beavers and all those very Canadian things in order
to connect more to our Canadian cere's an idea. Why don't you makeing edible
food as a way to connect with your Canadian customers? I used to when I
would travel abroad, uh, so when I'm at airports basically, um, I I had a
routine where every single time I would go to Tim Hortons. So like the last
thing I did in Canada was like one of the most Canadian things you could do, which is go to Tim Hortons.
>> Go to Tim Hortons, get some chili. >> Haven't done it. Yep. >> Get a sandwich, get get a donut.
>> They all suck now. >> Haven't done it in years. >> They even up the chili. How do
you up chili? It's literally just like meat and tomato paste and beans and then
you just put it over heat. Okay. The chili is fine. But the problem is the
bun sucks. >> Oh, the chili has gotten worse as well. >> Has it really? Okay. I think so.
>> I haven't had it in a while. >> It feels like it. I might just be like, >> "Dude,
>> annoyed. >> The bun tastes >> I also use the bun as a spoon."
>> Well, yeah. That's the whole point. >> So, the bun being way worse may have
impacted my opinion of the chili. >> Okay. Because like I used to go and get
Tim Horton's chili for my lunch. Like seriously, this is embarrassing, but
like >> two to three times a week when I was working at NCX, I'd get my chili, I'd
get my bun, I'd get usually when they had them, I'd get the blueberry fritter.
Oh, the blueberry fritter. The only problem with the blueberry fritter was
how often they ended up undercooking them, which looking back on it is maybe why they stopped baking them in store.
The point is that doesn't matter. I would get my blueberry fritter, I'd get
my lemon iced tea, and that was it. The lunch of champions. That lunch took OCZ
as a product line from like $3,000 a
month to $300,000 a month. Okay, that's what Tim Horton's
Chili did in his prime. Now
I wouldn't feed my dog that bun.
I don't even have a dog
anyway. So yeah, I wish that every company came up with the idea of how
about making the product suck less, but restaurant brands couldn't do it.
Anyway, >> I I genuinely think Tim Hortons was so
important to Canada's national identity that that sale should have been blocked.
>> I I actually strongly agree. It like
actually was like our prime minister
would talk about it globally. Like this was this was it was not a
>> this was not just some random like restaurant. Yeah. >> Like like going to Tim Hortons in the
morning for breakfast is like was >> might as well be the canteen of Canada.
Like it's it's just Yeah. >> And it's ruined now. >> Like I'm trying to think of like what
would be an like >> I don't know of a single example. It would be like Ford like not be it would
be like Ford selling to like >> Volkswagen company.
>> Yeah. Or to Gily or something like imagine as an American if you're
watching this right now if like Ford did not was not American.
>> I don't think Ford is as tied into the American ID as as Tim Bordon was in
Canadian. >> Depends you know like like built Ford tough like dude is there a country on
earth that loves the F-150 the way that America does? Like let's let's be real
here. But still, let's be real here. I still think
>> I still think it's more >> like what would be what would be like a
what would be like a like a like a German equivalent? Like what would what
would be so so offensive
to like uh guys hit me hit me with it.
You know what? No, we can move on. We can move on. Okay, so coming back to
Windows on the performance side, the start menu is being completely rewritten
in Microsoft's own WinUI3 framework, which is supposed to make it 60% faster
and more responsive. That is such a See, that's such a baffling one to me is like
when I open the start, what are you even doing?
Like there's there's a there's there's things that I do on computers that just
completely bewilder me how they can take as long as they do. Uh, perfect example
of this. We were running a benchmark on set yesterday. We were uh performance
testing. Oh, we ran SLI. >> We we grabbed some 3090 Ti, okay,
>> and we we like ran like modern games
that would still run. It's not really SLI. It's more of like the direct X12
multiGPU thing, but hey, we we ran them
and in the best case scenario, it was actually pretty competitive with a 5090
in like 3D Mark. It was pretty pretty crazy. Anyway, the point is when we were
running 3D Mark, I was just like I was
losing my mind because it's just always bothered me. You know how it does that
thing where it's like um detecting system configuration
and it takes like a minute
to do what? >> Yeah. Like how long does Steam hardware survey take?
>> How how long does it take to get a string of characters for for the
identifier of a piece of hard? Like we we run at billions of operations per
second on modern computing devices. You've got to be kidding me. Or like
when a Wi-Fi access point takes like forever to authenticate the password.
It's like it's literally eight bits.
>> I know it isn't. >> Okay. >> I know it isn't.
>> But but it's it seems so trivial. And in
the same way the start menu is like what are you even actually doing? Like all of
this has got to be pre-cached. What are you doing? You're You're not doing
anything. Why Why is there like a delay?
Well, hopefully there won't be anymore. >> I don't know enough of the the
difference between like what is it? Win UI or whatever um and React Native. As
far as my understanding goes, React Native was calling Win UI. So there the
the the so the the start menu right now is a React Native app as far as my
understanding goes. Um, and if they're just removing that layer and stepping
down one and going to win UUI. I I don't know how this stack works. I read
quickly that apparently at least sometimes it is calling Win UI. So, I'm
assuming they're just stepping down a layer. Like maybe you gain a bunch of performance there. The fact that any
part of Windows native UI is React
Native is wild to me. Oh, this is great.
Greak has another good one. I hate it when Windows takes forever to tell me my
password's wrong. I accidentally pressed enter instead of, you know, enter
anything like just immediately when you
when you do it like six or seven times or whatever. That could be that can be a
security feature where it's like delaying you being able to put it in again. But when it just like takes a
while, it's dude, it's like a handful of characters. It either the hash matches
or it doesn't for crying out loud. >> Anyway, Microsoft is also reportedly
removing ads from its start menu. Again,
like a a bold move. Bold move. This is like restaurant sales falling. They come
up with the bold idea of making food fresh. Um, and then for gaming,
Microsoft is treating. This is crazy.
This is probably the best marketing for
Steam OS >> that Valve could have never afforded
with all their billions and billions of dollars of I'm Gabe Newell. Rather than
buying a yacht, I will literally buy the company that makes the yachts. all of
the money that they have could never have purchased. Microsoft is treating
Valve's Steam OS as a performance benchmark.
They want Windows gaming performance to
be comparable to Steam OS on identical hardware, which they say is critical
because the next Xbox is reportedly going to run Windows 11.
Oh man, they were doing really good up until >> Is this is this Have they hard confirmed
that there was going to be another Xbox? >> Yeah, Project Scorpio I think it's
called like the new CEO Helix.
Helio something. Helix. Helix. Thank you.
Lightning X in chat. Um File Explorer is
also getting major performance fixes with a third party app called File Pilot
being used as the performance benchmark they're shooting for. This is like
embarrassing. Who makes File Pilot? Like, no offense. No offense. You're
probably >> No, it's it's I mean, it's the opposite. It's a huge brag if you're File
Pilot. That's amazing. >> But I don't even know who you are. And
the fact that Microsoft, a multi-trillion dollar company, is
looking at this going, "Yeah, these guys
are crushing us. We need to do we need
to do better." Okay. Who are you? Manifesto fast,
>> dude. Search for system commands. This is actually sick.
>> Hold on. My god. >> Is file pilot dope? >> File pilot is one guy,
>> dude. >> Catholic Croatian husband, father of
five. One extremely busy guy.
>> Just donking on Windows. Look at that. Look at this. >> That's awesome.
>> Hey, what am I looking at here? Oh, this is File Pilot. >> Yeah, he's selected a bunch of things
and select a system he can search. >> Yeah, >> I never even like thought about that.
That's awesome. Finally, Windows Update is being
reworked, too, with the goal of making Windows 11 reliable enough that you only
need to restart once a month.
>> Dude, File Pilot's cool. You might if we're doing that thing, you should maybe
include >> Microsoft Microsoft setting the bar. Okay, we want to We want to beat the
performance of an operating system that the games literally don't even run
natively on. We want to beat this one
dude in Explorer, like the most critical
thing in Windows that literally is like Windows 3.1. Okay. And we want to only
have to restart your computer once a month. They put the bar
here. Come on, you guys.
>> Also, the taskbar is getting back the ability to put the bar somewhere.
>> Moved and resized. K2 is reportedly not
going to be a single release, but an ongoing initiative that started in the
second half of 2025 with Moe's changes rolling out through the end of 2026 and
into 2027
discussion question. And for this, I
need you to put away the chat, close your eyes,
and search deep inside your feelings. Search your feelings, Luke.
>> Okay? I'm channeling the force. >> Sorry.
>> Do you think Windows can win back its
users? And you're searching your feelings because, you know, you at least
used to be a Windows user. >> Or is it too little too late? Search
your feelings, Luke.
>> Uh, I mean, I think I think so. And the
reason why I think so is I think most of them haven't left yet.
I think most of them are very vocally honestly they should be
action of the rage that the community
has had. I think some people have left.
I've left. I'm not stopping using Linux
when the Linux challenge is over. There's a spoiler. Um I'm going to
continue using it. Um but it isn't it
isn't completely too late. the the approach that I'm taking right now is
what is the most appropriate tool for me to use to have the least frustration,
the the most good time, >> whatever you want to call it. Y
>> um and be able to operate and get stuff done without significant um like
inability to do the thing that I want to do. And
>> right now that is almost always pushing me to Linux either mint on my laptop,
cache on my desktop. Um, I do
plan on ending with a dual boot setup on my desktop, but it's honestly completely
unnecessary on my laptop, and I will be continuing to run Mint. If this bar
shifts and it makes more sense for me to use Windows,
I'd probably just use Windows, but that is not currently true. And like
I'm I'm trying to be honestly like pretty
um what would I say about that?
>> Objective. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And like I I I whipped I I went over to
my Windows drive. Uh cuz I still have my Windows drive in my desktop. It's just
been sitting there untouched for like 2 months. I jumped over to my Windows
drive just to like Okay. Like is it going to function? I haven't even booted
into it for two months. I don't know. Like did I corrupt it in that time? Maybe.
>> I bet I know where this is going. >> I ran Windows update for a while. Got
annoyed by a few things. booted back into Cashi and was like, "Nice."
It took, dude, it took and I know I haven't updated in a while. Okay. Okay.
All right. It took forever to update. It was so long. Super
super long time. Um I It felt so stupid
that like the control panel seems like it wants to fight me.
Like there's just there's just like I'm trying to do multiple things at once and it's like no no I'm just going to like
redirect. I guess you can just have one of me open. It's like what are you what
are you even talking about? Um search was just annoying again. Just like
everything it was just like it felt gross. So I I went back.
>> All right let's jump into Windows Insiders. >> Actually sorry there's an interesting
question from chat at at ZM said have you tried macOS recently? If not would
you give it a try? I am more open to trying other operating systems now. I
recently learned Mint and Cashy. >> Do you want to borrow my Neo?
>> I'm not using it right now. It's on my desk. >> I don't necessarily think so. But what I
was going to add is that I was using my mom's Neo for a bit.
>> Mhm. >> And it was totally fine.
I do find macOS a little weird. >> I don't know if I would fully get used
to it. I still don't think it's for me really. There's some stuff that I find
just completely unnecessary and irritating about macOS. The fact that
you have to click on a window first to
make it the focus window before you can interact with a thing.
I see it both ways. Like on Windows sometimes you can like if a window like
pops up and you're like about to click something, you can like accidentally
interact with something that you didn't mean to. And I can see how the macOS
way kind of prevents that, but also it just
it just creates a second click like anytime I'm switching between things and
I I do not find that to be um great.
>> There's a couple Yeah, there's a couple little things like that. There's a couple things that feel a little clunky
to me just cuz it I don't know. It's just not really my style. Um, I do
think, however, at this point in time, if there was a killer app on macOS, I
wouldn't flinch using it. >> Yeah. >> Which I think is not true as of a year
ago. So, like, if I was an editor and it was like, oh boy, I'm going to have to
use Final Cut, it's like, okay, I mean, if I have a Mac, yeah, sounds good. More
Windows news, though. Windows Insiders can now pause updates indefinitely in
35day increments. Uh, Windows Insiders can uh Oh, and there's no cap on
renewals. This is a Windows in Oh, for crying out loud. Okay, we need to do a
thing where the the title and the first line are not the same
>> cuz just >> Yeah. No, I completely agree also
indefinitely for 35 days. >> Yeah. So, so for as long as you want,
you can keep saying 35 days later. >> 35 days later. Um Okay.
>> You can also restart or shut down without being forced into an update and
restart. previously got 5 weeks max before Windows would force these
updates. This is only available in the experimental channel which replaced the
old dev and canary channels. Microsoft's own description, uh, features here may
change, get delayed, or not ship at all. So, the people testing this are the ones
who opted into the most bleeding edge pre-release builds because they want
updates as early as possible. uh regular Windows users who've been getting forced
restarted mid meeting for a decade don't have this yet and there's no timeline or
confirmation for a general rollout. Now,
our discussion question is, how did it take Microsoft over a decade to let
people decide when their own computer updates? And my crazy hottake response
is, I actually don't like this
crazy >> people should probably update their computers. I uh when I did my first Mac
OS challenge, so the first time I switched to macOS, I think it was on
the 5K iMac uh was the first time I like
used nothing but I uh nothing but macOS for 30 days or 60 days or however long
it was. The thing that was most life-changing about it for me in a
positive way was the way that macOS handled updates at that time and it
still does actually. And that is that it
would say hey there's an update like a little you know little thing and then
you'd be like okay and then you would
come in the next day in the morning and everything would be exactly where you
left it and your computer would have installed all the updates and then opened everything back up right where
you left it. Pausing updates is not the solution.
better handling of saving all of my work, saving my state, and then
restoring my state and just doing the update when I'm not using my computer
is, in my opinion, a way more elegant
solution. Like I I get I get like I get
agitated when, you know, someone hands me their phone or their computer to use
and I see that they're running like a year old build of whatever operating
system they're on. Something I've really started to enjoy is I I actually system
update way more often on Linux than I did on Windows. But I really like that
it just updates everything. Like that's awesome. Like I'll get
Discord updates. I'll get any other software that I have. It'll just update
my entire system all at once. I'm not individually updating programs.
>> But are you asking for the I mean the Microsoft Store is a thing that exists
and Windows can manage your updates for you. But I think most of us
>> just make it not terrible though. Like I I that but honestly I think that's
really the solution. Like games for Windows would have been fine if it
wasn't dog crap. Microsoft Store would
be totally fine. People like package managers on Linux. They just don't
>> always uh suck complete butt. And a lot
of time the Microsoft Yeah. The first one that I had on on Cashy sucked and
then I I went with KDE and now I actually really like it. Um,
and and the one that comes packaged with Mint is like fantastic to be honest, but
it it's it's very up and down. But the Microsoft Store in my opinion is like
the the the problem. Um, >> yeah. And the fact that Windows Update
and the Microsoft Store are not integrated.
>> Yeah. >> Like >> crazy. Like if the best way to install
stuff on Windows was Microsoft Store because Microsoft Store wasn't an
annoying piece of crap and also because that way it would just auto update along
with Windows update and just made everything really smooth. >> And like why do I have to go digging for
a driver update? And I know that Microsoft has actually done a lot of
really good work around like automatic driver management, but the fact that
some of it is over here and some of it
is like it'll never update unless I like go and get it and some of it is handled
by like Armory Crate and some of it is in Windows Update and like the fact that
it's everywhere is
it's one of those things where the first
thing that someone would would tell me from Microsoft or even you know a viewer
would tell me is well that's not X's fault you know or that's because of you
know this >> and that might be true of choice
>> and and you know what those things are super super true
but you know what as as a user from a user perspective I don't give a flying
whose fault it is >> yeah it doesn't matter >> it doesn't matter what matters is that
it's a terrible user experience experience and somebody needs to fix it.
Like the way that um >> this is while you think of that this is
what I'm talking about like all the time when I talk about how it's actually it's
not even here right now so I keep gesturing at it but my my laptop when I
talk about how it's actually easier and like less annoyance and more
productivity to use it. This is what I'm talking about. I don't have to go around
and update all these individual apps. I'm not like partway through working on
something and then I need to open another app to do something and oh my god, now that needs an update, whatever.
No, I just update once and it does everything and it's fine and it works.
It's great. Every everyone freaks you
out when you go to any Archbased DRO because they're like, "Oh, it's rolling.
You're going to update. It's going to break everything." When I go to update on Cashachi, it
checks Arch news. >> Oh, it and it it'll be like, "Oh, no.
this one might require manual intervention. He might not want to install this right now. And it's like,
okay. And I just close it and then I wait until it doesn't. I just do it that
way. Like it's >> Harry G made a good point. The driver
nightmare is because of third parties. They don't want to ship their drivers via Windows update because they can't
bundle their bloatware with it. So then Microsoft should just straight up stop
Wickle certifying anything that requires bloatware to be shipped with it. Like
these are things that Microsoft >> flex your muscle, man. does like they're
they flex their muscle to do the wrong things. Like they're flexing their
muscle to put stupid Candy Crush in my
stupid operating system. No, flex your muscle to do things that enhance the
user experience and make Windows more
secure and faster and more powerful and
more usable. Uh, all right. Let's jump into Ooh.
Okay. This is one of our bad newses for
this week. Intel has reportedly
cancelled discrete gaming GPUs in the
upcoming XC3P Arc Celestial family.
According to Intel leaker JKEN, Intel
cancelled their discrete GPUs. So, these are the add-in cards for Celestial long
ago. That means that the ARK B580, so
this is their battle mage generation, will remain Intel's latest gaming GPU
with no clear successor in sight. XC3P
will show up in data center and workstation products, just not gaming
cards. The nextG XC4 Druid architecture
is expected late 2027, but whether it
gets a gaming GPU, in JK's words, is up
in the air. Intel has not confirmed or denied any of this. Our discussion
question here is if Intel quietly walks away from gaming GPUs, what happens to
GPU pricing? The answer is it goes up.
>> However, however, >> the answer is nothing. >> However,
>> unfortunately, >> I um
>> I really want to keep the faith. This is something that former Intel CEO Pat
Gellinger um >> allowed to continue Intel's discrete GPU
ambitions. And I really hope that Lipboutan uh does not kill. I know that
there's a lot of like issues with the
consumer cards that you know like being low margin and uh catering to a a super
noisy, highmaintenance customer base.
Let's face it, gamers are not the easiest customers to deal with. But I
really do believe and if there the
strongest argument that I can make for this is so does Jensen Hang who is the
CEO of from time to time the world's most valuable company. I really do
believe that the innovation on the gaming side makes the enterprise and
professional sides better and stronger
for all the work that they do and also gives you a volume market that you can
dump silicon into to help fund all the development that you need to do. like
you I don't think it makes sense to build a GPU business that doesn't have a
consumer arm if you've all like you've
already done so much of the work for
Alchemist and Battle Mage to fix the backwards compatibility and to refine
the architecture. Um, please, please
just give us a bigger desktop version of, you know, what you're already
shipping like amazing technology on on like laptop, like
please don't let it die. >> And if you have to skip Celestial,
>> fine. >> Don't skip Druid. >> Don't skip Druid.
We need more options. And gamers, it's like the Windows thing. Like gamers are
they're mad at Microsoft, they're mad at NVIDIA, but you've got to give them a
better option or they're just going to begrudgingly stay there forever. And
like, oh man, like Intel continues to put in the work on the software side.
You got to give us hardware to run it on.
Let's go. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> Yep.
>> Um, thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Uh Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? >> You can keep doing topics or we can do
uh the CW announcements. >> Oh, I feel like I should probably talk about the CW announcements. Uh do you
want to do you want to fire up the site? >> Sure. >> This week, it's a huge week for Creator
Warehouse. Is Shiptorm still running?
>> Uh yes, >> looks like it. >> I believe so. So, the Shiptorm sale is
still running. So, now is an amazing time to pick up uh I mean basically
anything at LT store. So, we've got buy more, save more on our blank t-shirts.
Uh we've got deals running on our scribe driver bolt action um pen and pencil as
well as our long sleeve t-shirts. And then uh hold on, hold on, let me see if
I can find the details. And we have some super cool new items. So, Shiptorm free
shipping across Canada on orders over 150 and worldwide on over orders over
225. And then on the US site, oh no, I wish I had these details ready. I'm so
sorry you guys.
And then on the US site, Shiptorm is uh yeah, free US-wide shipping on orders
over 150. And then uh Floatplane supporter plus. So if you're on float
plane at the supporter plus tier, it actually goes down to just $100. So it's
a great time to join Floatplane. Also, we have some new arrivals. Uh so yeah,
Luke's laptop. We have some new prints for our party shirts.
>> These are flipping amazing. Want to give us uh want to give us a closeup of that?
>> Are you serious right now? >> Laptop zoom. This touchpad is a little weird. It's not the site. It's the
touchpad. Cursors. >> Yeah. >> Some of them are are glasses.
>> How cute is that? >> My hands. Some of them are pointers. >> Right.
>> That's fun. >> Yeah. And then we've also got Okay, this
one's this one's sick. Let's let me just
There we go. That works. >> There we go. So, this is like a very
kind of 90s and like ' 90s screen saver
and computing and also I don't know work
from home. It's got a whole bunch of different like vibes like work from the
beach kind of. Yeah, like the palm trees
and stuff. Just like don't mind me here chilling on my like CRT laptop or
whatever. And then this one's meant to just be like a very wearable uh lollipop
lollipop print. Totally not inspired by
anything else that looks like that. It's lollipops. It's uh it's it's uh it's
candies. It's umbrellas. It definitely is not a beach ball. 100% not a beach
ball. Uh we've also got the spinning
wheel of death pin set. Okay. Well, now we've really gotten rid of any plausible
deniability that we could have had around where that design inspiration
came from. So, here's our pin set that is Yeah, definitely not a beach ball,
except for the one that definitely is a beach ball. So, we've got candy umbrella
as well as a lollipop in there. Uh, what else do we got? Yo, yeah, so you can get
yours at LMG.gg/partyshirt and LMG.gg/wheelof
death. If you're looking for something that's a
little bit more low-key, we've also got two new polo colors, plus a restock on
black. So, soft cotton blend with a bit of stretch, so it's comfortable without
feeling sloppy. Clean, simple look that works whether you dress it up or keep it
casual. These are just easy to put on pieces that go with pretty much anything
and that you can wear it pretty much anywhere. And you can shop at
LMG.gg/polos. We also do this kind of fun thing where
we have like a little kind of splash of accent color down there. There you go.
Polo shirts, dress blues, brilliant white and black.
Look how much happier Plof looks. Come on, Reese. Would it kill you to smile?
Love that guy. We uh we did an upgrade for him yesterday. Uh we're bringing
back setup doctor and his setup
>> needed some doctoring. He he streams, he games, he does like unboxings of fancy
shoes. He had so many shoes. Uh so we
helped a little bit with the organization of that. We got him like a new desk setup. Um, and he tufts
does like carpet tufting. And so we got like a like a much more ergonomic, space
efficient setup in his little room where he does all of those things.
>> So that was that was a fun shoot, guys. Don't miss that one. Lots of good vibes.
>> Also, uh, okay. Yeah, that's pretty much it. So yeah, now's a great time to get
an order in. Also, I think that a lot of
people probably missed it, but
um hold on. Where are they? Yeah, cables. So, we did have a small restock
hit our US distribution hub today for Truepec cables. Uh okay. Yeah, many of
the sizes are already out of stock again. The only way that you're going to
have a shot of getting these guys is to
make sure that you get the notify me because when
they hit they're gone. So, uh there's
nothing I can do about that. It's in priority sequence. You guys got to you
got to get in there. Um so, yeah, we had an order hit today and then you can
actually you can actually see in the dashboard where it hits
here. Check this out. This is hilarious. Uh,
gee, Luke, can you tell me where the cable restock
was? >> Yeah. I mean, >> maybe where the maybe where the snake
ate the deer. >> Yeah. >> Um, yeah. So,
>> wild. >> Yeah. >> So, make sure you do that.
>> All right. >> Two coms. >> All right. So, if you're placing an
order now, it's a perfect time because
we have what we call checkout messages. We when we stream, we don't want you
guys to just throw money at us for nothing. We want to work for it. That's
right, me, Luke, and Dan. We all want to work for it. So,
instead of having people just send like Twitch bits or super chats or whatever,
we created what are called checkout messages or coms. All you got to do to
send one is head on over to ltstore.com, add something like our new flex pants to
your cart, and go to the checkout. There
it is. You can choose to have it displayed as a checkout message. You can
make your name anonymous or you can show your name. You can send a little message
and then you can choose your color and whether or not you want to opt into
email communication about your message. This will help us follow things up with
you if you want. All right. Then you go ahead and place your order and it will
go to producer Dan. I already waved. I don't know what to do now.
>> Uh you'll have to come up with something. >> Wave with the other hand. >> Nice.
>> Solid. >> It looks weird. I'm not used to him doing that.
>> It hurts. Anyway, it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to your checkout
message or will pop it up down here or up there or who will curate it for me
and Luke and often Dan to respond to.
Dan, do you want to do a couple for us? >> Yeah, sure. Hey, DL. Currently visiting
Vancouver with my wife and kids. I had no idea it was so beautiful. Kapalino
Park is awesome. Yeah. >> Do any of you guys go hiking or anything
like that? >> Not as much as I should.
Literally, we were like flying over the
the like outer Vancouver region and I
was like, Luke, did you have any idea that there were this many hiking trails
in this area? >> I knew there was a lot, but it looked like a wherever we particularly were at
the time like Chilowak or whatever it was like >> very likely. It looked like a video game
map. >> It >> like there was just so many trails.
>> It was crazy. And they weren't they didn't seem to be like dried river beds.
Like they seemed to be hiking trails. >> Yeah. Oh yeah.
>> The entire area was just littered with them. And I was like, "How have I never
been on any of these?" >> Some of them are pretty great. >> Absolutely ridiculous.
>> Oh, team is pretty legendary. >> Um, so yeah, we should Have Have you
ever done the grind? >> No, I've always gone the other way.
>> Gone the other way? >> Yeah. >> What's the other way? Isn't the grind
north van? >> Uh yeah. >> Yeah. I've always gone like out.
>> Oh. Oh, I thought you meant you've always like gone down it. Like you're
>> I take the I take Yeah, I take the gondola up.
>> You're literally not even allowed. Like it's >> That would be That would also be the one
way that would be really bad for my knees. Is to go down.
>> Okay. Well, if you ever want to do the grind, I'll do the grind. It's called the grouse grind. It's on grouse
mountain. You can like hike up the mountain. >> It's Yeah,
>> it's pretty savage. Wait till your knees are of like a workout than what you
might expect from a traditional hike. >> This is fair. >> It's just like an incredible amount of
stairs, >> which is awesome. There's people that do it like literally every day.
>> Like it's it's great. It's just uh it's a quite a bit of a different experience
from what I've heard. My brother shot up
there recently. I wan. DLL. First off, San update when
I'm a storage and backup engineer and that is my daily bread and butter.
Second, did you consider any centralized backup solution? Also, why no why so few
tall shirts? >> Now, I can see why you curated this one, Dan. Um,
>> it's a really good question. >> We are we are expanding slowly our
selection of tall merchandise. Um, we
just we have to be we have to go slow and steady. Sure,
>> this may be a surprise to you, all of you, but physical goods are an extremely
cash flow sensitive business. Uh they
every new product requires a brand new
upfront investment that may or may not pay off. And we just have to be careful.
We have to go slow. We have to be careful. We don't we're not taking
private equity. We don't have outside investors. So every time we launch a new
product, that's the product team working
with me and working with our other leadership and going, "Okay, here's all
the chips. These are our chips. Here we are betting them. Let's hope it pays
off. It doesn't always We've got to be careful. It's It really is that simple
and also complicated." >> I think I think the new the new war is
going to have to be over pants. >> Tall pants.
>> I know. when when not even necessarily tall pants, just when you guys launched
the flex pants, I was really surprised the inseam length was 29. And then on on
uh on an internet forum, uh somebody posted like, "Wow, LTT Store really
makes me feel really tall
and it was in relation to those pants cuz they're like, "Wait, inseam 29 is is
all they Yeah. Yeah, >> pants are tough, man. There's
>> Yeah, >> you have to have all the waist sizes.
Ideally, you would have all the inseam sizes. We've done as much as two inseam
sizes for a pair of pants. Um I believe
the cargo pants, we have two inseams for >> and it it literally double like you got
to you got to think about it in terms of skew count. You literally double your
skew count. And if we still had everything consolidated at a single
distribution center, that would be a little bit easier. But every additional
layer of complexity you add, it's a multiplier.
>> Yeah. >> It's not additive, it's multiplicative.
>> So, was that like I'm just genuinely curious. We've sold
pants before. So, was that like did we have was most of our orders 29 or like
how did we land on 29? >> Um, we landed on that as sort of a like
a best middle ground for most people
>> really. >> Yeah. H.
>> Okay. >> Yep. And what we would have probably
done if we had another skew is we would have gone longer. Yeah. But that was one
of those ones where >> it's like the tech pants are 30 and 32.
People also got a kick out of you guys calling tall 32.
>> There's degrees of tall. >> I'm a 32.
So >> yeah, >> Dan's tall. >> Dan's pretty tall. >> What What do we call
>> got stumpy legs? >> Jonathan and Conrad and Lucas and those guys.
>> I mean Lucas. I mean >> towers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Like uh Okay. SN update. Um I am still not
convinced that SAN is the right solution for us. I've every time I've asked
someone who's very pro storage area network uh why we should have one, they
have not given me a satisfactory answer.
Um NAS seems like the way to go for us.
I we don't have the same kind of like
resiliency and like like crossorg
access complications that um that you
might have if you're like uh I I don't know flipping like multinational or if
you're or if you're like you know you're running a data center that has you know
CPU compute over here and GPU compute over here so you need to have like a
storage network that they all access like we don't have any of those use
cases we just have individual users
accessing saying file level resources
that are centrally stored. Can someone explain to me why we need sand?
>> I think Floatplane has sand. >> Yeah, Floatplane does. But
>> do we have no seph, right? >> Yeah. Do we have no seph locally? I
don't think so. >> I don't think there was a reason to.
>> It was a pitch at one point. >> Yeah. And then >> we didn't go that route.
Uh it's all redundancy. Yeah, but we
don't need that much redundancy. We have the one share that is like the current
projects actually redundant and replicated places share and then
everything else we made a conscious decision and it's been it you know it
it's it's funny for me seeing people sort of go oh remember that time they
lost data? Yes. Yes. Yes. We we've other
than okay when we lost Wanic that was bad but the time that our vault had some
data loss we had made a conscious decision that this was non-essential
archived data and that if we lost it we had decided that it was not worth the
additional expense of replicating that storage and that's especially true today
man storage has gotten so expensive and
so we've made the decision that we only really need the projects we're working
on and every other like random snippet of footage. If we lost it, we lost it.
It doesn't really matter. And so going for something more complicated, more
expensive that requires more administration,
I I just I don't
um I don't see the point. Oh, are you are you literally talking to
AJ in chat right now? >> And Jonathan, they're both in here. We do have Seth on prem. Um it's just in
the lab and it's just an MVP right now. Sure, >> there's only a few things kind of
running into it. But the thing is when you take AJ and Jonathan and you throw
them in the pool of IT people that do stuff for LMG, they come from Seph and
Kubernetes land. >> Yeah. >> So like it
why not? It becomes I think a lot more reasonable. It's it's a right tool for
the right job for the right person type of situation. We have AJ and Jonathan.
We might as well do this thing. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's a
recommendation for everybody. Um,
>> like TCL 987 says, I would think you'd want SAN for running VMs so that a
storage node going down doesn't take down the VMs too.
in terms of like like critical on the
media group side and the creator
warehouse side which make up the majority of our revenue.
I can think of like a couple of VMs we
run like sure on the flow plane side. Yeah.
Yeah. Sure. You're 100% right. Like you want that redundancy built into that
storage network that everything else is using. But >> yeah, >> for video editing,
we don't we don't have nodes of storage.
We just have a storage server that every periodically
backs up to another one.
If flowplane was on prem, you need it. Flow plane has it anyways. I just I just
said that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um Oh, faint locket asks, can you
explain what sand is? So basically the
idea is that instead of having your storage in each machine right like this
and this and then like allocating uh you
know like instead of putting like a drive into your computer and going okay
here virtual machine this is like your drive. uh SAN is an entire
an entire separate network of machines
whose entire job is to provide storage
for all the other machines on the network. >> A big pool.
>> Yeah. So whether whether their job is to
run VMs or whether their job is to uh
serve media or whether their job is for the editors to access it, all of these
compute resources will just instead of having local storage over the network,
they will access this this storage network which is entirely separate boxes
that maybe don't need a ton of compute but do need like a butt ton of storage.
And then this this storage network is going to be built with redundancies and
and safeties that make it so that if one of these machines goes down, all the
other machines that are doing all of your web serving and all of your uh your
compute or all of your research or whatever it is they're doing are still
able to access their storage as if nothing happened. So, it's a way of of
distributing your storage to make it so that a failure will not impact your
operation at all rather than taking down one of your nodes. But we have so few
nodes outside of the Floatplane side
and so little critical critical infrastructure that I just uh I'm just
not convinced that it is relevant for us. Um,
yeah, Torpedo Bench describes it as kind of like RAID but at a much bigger scale.
And and that's kind of a way of thinking about it. Instead of your one machine
having multiple drives, one of which could fail, all of your machines have
like a bunch of machines that have a bunch of drives in them and an entire
machine could fail and then they'd be able to still access it. It's that's
it's kind of a it's kind of a neat way of thinking about it. And then NAS is
more like like a it's like a storage area network that only that it's not
really a network. It's just it's just a a standalone resource that all of those
things can access over the network that might have some redundancy in the form
of uh in the form of RAID for instance but it doesn't have like multi-achine
level redundancy. That's about the kind of simplest way that I can
summarize it.
Okay. Yeah. Time to do more topics.
Uh, no. Legendary ZNAS Nintendo emulator has
been rewritten from scratch with GPU acceleration. The original developers of
ZNES or ZSNES or ZSNES, whatever you
want to call it, ZS Knight and Demo are
back together for the first time in nearly two decades with Super
ZNES, a complete groundup rewrite of the
legendary SNES emulator that dates back to the DOS era and the first N Super
Nintendo emulator that I ever used. I have personally played through Final
Fantasy 6 on this emulator, Chrono Trigger on this emulator. Like, man, I
have very fond memories of using this often times uncooperative but quite
quite treasured piece of software. >> It was what Yeah, it was what everybody
used for a long time. >> The last major release was almost 20
years ago, though. So big change here is
a GPU powered pu core that enables high-res mode 7, widescreen support in
supported games, overclocking for games that were notorious for slowdown,
uncompressed audio, and perame visual enhancements that the devs are calling
super enhancement engine. It also keeps
the classic falling snow UI. It's available now on Windows, Mac, Linux,
and Android with iOS coming soon. And the devs made a point of listing no vibe
coding as an official feature. Everything was handwritten the classic
way. Now with that said, I have heard
that it's a little buggy. It is an early build. Special chips like chips like the
Super FX are not supported yet, but in a
world where vibe coding is everywhere. Is no vibe coding a selling point for
this for you? Would you want to try it? I I want to try it. I'm spoiler. I want to try it.
Uh, I don't know if like
no vibe coding is particularly a selling point, but I'm going to try anyways. I
wanna I wanna I want to hear you talk about that
>> if stuff is properly like I I know
people that use vibe coding stuff in a way that I would consider properly and I
know people that use vibe coding in a way that I would hyperaggressively not
consider properly. Um, if these two guys
said that they used AI assisted tools, I
don't think I'd be too concerned about it. >> Interesting. So, to you, it's more about
having >> who's wielding the tools, >> having the skills and having the street
cred to take shortcuts
>> and know to like review it and make sure
that bad stuff doesn't get through still. Um because it also it also
depends like did they say no? Okay, so no vibe coding specifically. So okay
maybe yeah maybe that is particularly a good thing but like
>> AI assisted. >> So here's the quote the quote no vibe
coding classic development style but
that's pretty ambiguous. >> Yeah that's classic. >> Well to them 20 years ago might be just
no assistance. >> No no I don't think it's that they haven't been doing work. They just haven't been working on zness.
>> No. Yeah that's fair. Um, but yeah, I
mean, a AI assisted coding has been a thing for a super long time. Yeah, Peter
said this and I I mean, I've said this on W show like a billion times and I
just still agree with it. The buck stops with the one who commits the code
100%. It goes back to that IBM thing that I've also shown on W show before.
Um, quote, "A computer cannot be held
responsible." Um, let's find the slide
here. A computer cannot be held accountable.
Therefore, a computer must never make a management decision. And a management
decision is to commit code. So like uh
from the vibe that I get from this team, these two people, um yeah, I mean I
wouldn't particularly be too concerned about it. Um, but there there will be
people that will vibe code something and they'll tell me that excitedly and I
know who it is and I know how much work in development they've done and I'll be
like, "Oh boy, I'm excited to see how
many different ways this breaks." Um, I wonder how many security keys are like
hardcoded and publicly readable.
Like things like that. >> Now you have to call me out like that.
>> No, that that never happened. >> Oh, no. No. um security key for your
Google sheet. >> Yeah. Um >> speaking of the Lionus Vibe coding
challenge, the project is officially dead, unfortunately. Yeah.
>> In the form of a video, >> but I'm still trying to uh I'm still
trying to turn it into at least if it can be if it can be cobbled together
relatively easily a Floatplane video or something. So, the problem is not that I
was not able to vibe code a solution. I was and it's actually been in production
since I vibe coded it which is like six months ago now or something which is the
problem. >> By the time we would be releasing this video
>> everything that I did is so far removed
from the current state of AI and vibe coding that it just doesn't make any
sense to talk about the entire thing like yeah
>> which I could probably do. In fact, I could probably do way faster with better
tools and now that I've done it. But the entire premise of the video for me was
as someone who's never done this, what does that look like? And we would no
longer be answering that question. The other thing that it wasn't killed
because of is our real developer. Our
real developer was able to create a solution, but because of scheduling and
stuff and people being busy, I still haven't seen it.
So, what I was hoping that we could still do is
have um like have me sit down and like
have it shown to me and then
>> like Yeah, Dan could just kind of walk me through it and then we just do that
on camera. Sure. >> And then we can do that as And then I
could do like a short little summary. >> He already walked me through it on camera.
>> Okay, perfect. And then we and then we can just throw that up on flow plane or
something like that. >> Yeah. >> Um >> another another Sorry, are you done?
>> No, I just And then I probably I probably need a little bit more of his
time though >> cuz I need it to work for mixed doubles
and singles as well. >> Ult ultimately I mean you you you pay
his check. So >> Well, I know. But but then why did we
have to do this whole vibe coding? So the vibe coding challenge started because I needed some development
resources for something that didn't really matter. Um, but then then it
mattered because it was a video, but then now it's not a video. I feel like it would have been better for us to just
say, "Hey, can I have some of Dan Seagull's time?" It's it's easier now
and more appropriate now, I think. So, if you want service time, it makes sense. Um, I wanted to say one more
thing on the super zed schnes thing. Um,
>> I think there's also a like >> is what can I classify this as a crywolf
problem? I don't know. I watched a a short clip last night before completely
tearing down my entire computer setup um of Shroud going back to Counterstrike
because I was interested because what I've heard is that Counter-Strike is
covered in cheaters >> and the title didn't say anything about cheaters. It just said Trout goes back
to Counter-Strike in the first time or whatever. So, I watched it in the first two games he was in, there was two
blatant cheaters. Um and it's it's it's
this thing where like modern, especially FPS games, but modern every game. Uh,
basically, don't kid yourself. There's people that cheat in like Rocket League
and MMOs and and everything you can imagine. Um, with with cheaters freaking
everywhere. Something that has ruined
something that has ruined. That's a
weird sentence. Whatever. Um, is
defeat >> because it it often feels like
>> there's a built-in excuse for everything. Yes. So, if you don't think
that people are cheating or if it's they're probably not, then it's like, oh
man, that guy's really good. I want to watch this replay and try to learn from
them, >> right? >> But if it's like, I don't know, there's usually at least one cheater per lobby.
Then it's like, nah, that guy's just cheating. Screw that guy. And it like it
it loses a lot of the like
the interesting nature of losing, if that makes sense. >> Yeah. Do you how do you how do you get
motivation from loss if the
>> how do you get if the competition was never fair? >> How do you get like a rival?
>> Yeah. >> Like you know back back when there was dedicated servers and you jump on a
server and there was always that freaking guy who just >> Yeah. who'd get you like every time.
>> Yeah. And then and then you you train and you get better and you beat that guy
and then it feels good. Like that that type of stuff is just kind of gone from
cheating. And I think something that they're dodging here to bring it back to
superness, super zness, um, is they're
saying no vibe coding. So if it comes out and it has a bug,
you don't get to go, "Nah, it's probably just modern AI junk spaghetti code,
right?" >> Cuz they're saying no. >> No. If there's a bug, it's because we
think >> we haven't fixed that yet. >> That part I think is kind of cool. >> I think that's super cool.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Want to pick a topic? Sure.
Uh, what do we got here? Sony finally responds to PlayStation DRM. Panic says,
"Only a one-time license check is needed. No 30-day requirement. This was
confusing if you weren't on top of this news cuz you're a PC person. There was a
mysterious 30-day license timer showing up on PlayStation digital games
purchased after March 2026's firmware update." So, people were freaking out.
What is this 30-day thing? modders on Twitter spotted it first, but things
spiraled when PlayStation's own AI support chat bots told users that they'd
lose access every 30 days unless they
were online, which is just not true, to be clear. That's just what the chatbot
said. With nobody sure what was real, players started just testing stuff,
trying to see what was going on. YouTuber Spawnwave pulled his PS5 CMOS
battery to simulate a timer expiring and watched his brand new digital purchases
just refuse to load with a license error. >> Nice.
>> What actually happens if you miss the window is that the game stops working
until you connect back to the internet. It doesn't delete it or get revoked
permanently or anything like that. Once you're back online, access is restored
and I believe once it does that actual check-in, you do get a permanent token.
Sony says that if you launch the game once while connected, a one-time check
kicks in and the 30-day timer won't apply at all ever again. It's fine.
>> Okay. >> But, >> oh, testing from Reset Era user and
Shrew found it's not quite that simple. There appears to be around a 15-day
delay before the console actually converts your temporary license into a
permanent one, a permanent offline one. Until that conversion happens, going
offline for 30 days will lock you out. That 15-day window lines up suspiciously
close to PlayStation's 14-day refund period, suggesting
that this might have been an anti-fraud measure because apparently some people
were buying games, going offline, having
their offline version, refunding the game, >> right?
>> Yeah. Uh Sony hasn't confirmed that part, but apparently that has been
happening. So, yeah, makes sense. Uh,
Sony has now officially responded to GameSpot saying a one-time check is
required to confirm the game's license, after which no further check-ins are required. The DRM is real, but it's not
the always online nightmare that people feared. That said, Sony rolled this out
silently and let the panic build for a freaking week before saying a single
thing. as a company.
>> God, it's kind of annoying. >> That sometimes
is has things
fester in the community. I understand it both ways.
I can understand why it seems crazy that Sony didn't say anything for a week. And
then I can equally understand all the like mechanisms and checks that
external comms need to go through especially in the midst of a crisis and
why it can take a while. >> I I'm I'm going to firmly stand on both
sides.
Going wide. Yes.
Strong firm stance.
H I don't love this. I understand their
whole trying to dodge the fraud thing. >> Honestly, it seems better than Steam.
And we we hold Steam up on this like this pillar,
this this pedestal. >> It's better. How is it better than Steam? >> Steam checks like all the time.
>> Yeah, but if you go offline >> Yeah. then it works, which is fine.
>> Playing single player games. >> Yeah. Not always. They'll they'll make
you check once in a while. >> Oh, >> yeah. I guess I've never been offline
long enough to notice. >> As someone who uh actually it seems like
it's been a little better lately, but there was definitely a period where they
had cracked down on it quite a bit and uh we would really run into it like on
set. >> Can you just run the executables out of the folder? >> No, no, cuz it'll still launch Steam and
it'll still do a DRM check. So, so we'd run into this on set when we only had
like one copy of a game and we'd try to like pull the Ethernet cord and then launch it on the next computer and then
pull the Ethernet cord and then launch it on the next one and pull the Ethernet cord. So, obviously this is like not a,
you know, classic use case, but I have
definitely run up against this. Um,
>> I I haven't steam I haven't done this often, but I have not ran into it
opening Steam when you try to just run the executable for the game. I've had it
just launch the game. >> Okay, people in chat are saying they definitely do. Does it depend on the
game? Cuz from my understanding, >> I definitely see it depending on the game. Not like GG where part of the deal
is that there's no online DRM. Like with Steam there there's online DRM. It's
like a feature, not a button. >> I bet you it depends on the game. It
depends on whether the game uses Steam Works, which is Steam's DRM. That also
makes sense. >> Uh Couscous Captain says, "Can you keep your Steam Deck in offline mode for just
a limited amount of time?" Yeah, from my understanding, it'll eventually need to phone home, but I correct me if I'm
wrong. Like I said, this is something that I ran into more before and lately
when we've been doing the Ethernet unplug thing, now that I'm thinking about it, it's been a little more
successful. Um, TCL 987 says Steamworks
and Steam DRM are independent. Um, blah blah blah. A lot of games use Steam
library stuff for networking, voice chat, etc. Yeah, so it's probably going
to be dependent on the game somewhat.
Um, man, one thing that I find really
annoying as somebody who has to set up a system for travel probably more often
than most people because when I'm traveling is often when I'll have time to like, oh yeah, I'm going to try out
the Steam controller, so I need like to load a bunch of games onto a system
before I go. I really really wish there
was a way to with one button like do the
pre-launch crap for every game on my system because if I'm like if I have no
internet or I'm or I'm somewhere remote
with very slow internet or whatever >> like okay like installing stuff not
shaders you mean >> no like get thenet whatever get the
redistributable whatever >> install all dependencies >> do your DRM check like did install all
dependencies cuz like it's it's
become more and more of an annoyance over time how many Steam games have
other launchers or have random dependencies especially on Linux uh
which I've been using more lately uh where they'll have to grab like Proton
crap ahead of time. Uh, so if I So if installing the game installed the game
so that I just click go and it goes, I would actually I would love that. So if
Valve is taking suggestions right now, uh, that's something that I'd love to
see Steam level up on ever so slightly.
When I install a game, do all of it. Assume that my intention when I install
a game is to play the game. Um, not just
not just enjoy it being in my readytoplay filter. Um,
okay. Uh, Igny
says, "As a game dev, requiring Steam is a toggle in the SDK API."
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Game either confirms Steam is open and connected on Steamworks initialization
or it doesn't. So, that explains why >> we just tried to open different games.
>> We both would have had completely different experiences because both are
both are true. That makes sense. >> Um,
>> it's not like a thing I do all the time, so I wasn't super confident in it.
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>> Lionus, we have a guest. >> We have a guest
>> for the Floatplane announcements. >> For the Floatplane, you just don't
trust us to do it right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, come on.
>> Announcement first. The announcement first. >> Do the announcements first. What What's
happening right now? >> You want us to do the read, >> Dan? Point at him. Show how he's being
weird. >> Wait, what? Wait, what? >> He's like holding a monitor.
>> Look at that guy. >> What's up with that? >> Look at that guy. >> I don't understand what's happening
right now. If you read the document, you'll know >> he's up to something. >> All right, I'm going to read the
document. I'm reading the document. >> You know what the L in line stands for?
>> Oh, there's a lot of flow plane exclusives about me this week. In the
first video, Sammy gave me such a wonderful welcome back gift to welcome
me back to the office. He will be fired for this injunction. Okay. So, first of
all, Sammy, that's not really what injunction means. >> Is it not? >> No.
>> Oh. >> Um, >> it's about >> And second of all, you're not fired
>> allegedly. >> Um, okay. Anyway, this is the video. Uh,
people really loved this video on Floatplane. I came back to work and my entire
office had been gift wrapped. Um, to
this day, this is still how I feel about it.
Anywh who, um, and if PC building is more your
style, I went head-to-head against Elijah, Jordan, and Pancratz to see who
can build a PC the fastest at Lionus
Media Group. Wow. >> Did any of you wear a horse head? >> Dude, you filmed that ages ago. That
video is just coming out. It took forever to edit. >> We should do Yeah, we should do a video
on who's the fastest to edit a video at Linus Media Group cuz I think I think
you would not be in good shape. >> 4 hours and eight POVs I had to edit and
then I got I have to do other stuff. >> What kind of videos you editing with the POVs? Sick,
>> huh? >> You disgust me. Get your mind out of the
gutter. Uh anyway, so that exclusive went up very recently. Oh yeah, you guys
are you guys are loving this one, too. >> Just upload that today. Okay, I'm not
going to scroll down to the comments because I feel like it's going to be
somewhat debatable who won. So, it's probably going to come down to
commenters to decide who uh who did it best. Uh what else is going on on Float
Plane? Uh to wrap it up, we've uploaded the full interview with the creator of
Pop OS, Carl Michelle. That's pretty cool. Techquicki has been doing a ton of
interviews with interesting people lately. So, if you want to hear more from our special guests, we'll be
uploading them to Flowplane. Very cool. Check out the sea of exclusives at LMG.gg/fp1. GG/FPWAN.
And don't forget guys that now is a better time than ever to subscribe to
Floatplane because at the supporter plus tier, you'll be getting a lower
threshold for shiptorm free shipping. Now Sammy has a special show and tell
for us. >> What do you want, Sammy? >> You can't get mad at me, Linus.
>> Hold on. >> You're telling me I can't I can't get mad at you. Uh
>> can I stand here? You can stand anywhere you want. >> Don't touch the foils.
>> So, you know, you know, >> you don't have a mic here, though. Did we
>> Is it Is this No, this this was last minute. I forgot you're not here next to me. That's why.
>> Okay. >> So, you know, you know the uh the the chair you bought with uh David?
>> Um Oh, you mean the gun chair? >> Uh yeah, hold on.
>> Yes, >> I'll bring I'll bring this up so people >> commissioned machine gun chair.
>> Yes, that one. So, I >> So, here this was uh this was
yesterday's video. Uh, it has actually
one of my favorite intros that we've done in quite a while.
Uh, okay. That that wasn't it.
>> What are you watching? What are you >> There we go. No, no, we're good. We're
good. But this is a gaming chair. Um, so
you can Yeah. So, we had
>> I love David Crawling. So, >> but uh anyway, sorry.
>> Solid effort, David. I'm not trying to take too much time today, but um so I
promised I would daily drive that thing for 30 days. >> I did not approve that.
>> Uh the ergonomics are like not safe in my opinion. >> Is this a good monitor, do you think?
>> Yeah. >> Do you like it?
>> Yes. >> Do you like that monitor? >> Um so, uh the the lumbar I agree is bad.
So I was trying to adjust it. >> Yeah. >> Did you know that thing has no limiters?
It blew. >> Sammy, >> you can see my hand here. When I visit
tried to physically try to stop it, it did not stop. There's no limiter on that
chair. >> Yes, I know. >> I didn't know that. So then it broke.
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I felt so bad. I'm
so sorry. I'm so sorry.
>> Uh yeah, but I recorded for Flow Plane. Uh, so you'll see my reaction on there
where you see my my the horror in my face as I try to save this monitor.
>> Oh my god, >> it's mangled. >> That's deep.
>> You don't like the uh the the keyboard like plate? It went through it.
>> Did it occur to you to stop it not with your hand like by pressing the button?
>> So the button wasn't responsive. >> It wasn't responsive. >> No, the one remote doesn't like work.
>> Yeah, I didn't know. >> You have to use the other. >> Did you think to watch the video before?
>> I watched like I watched mostly through. was like, "I know enough." And then >> I didn't know the I didn't know this.
>> You are the problem. >> I know I'm the problem. I I
>> Okay, Lance would have just read the comments. >> I'm sorry.
>> Yeah. And through reading the comments, I would have known all the critical
information that he didn't have. You're I will die on this hill. You are better
off reading all the comments on a video than like watching the first 30% of it.
>> I watched 50%. I, you know, I still
maintain you're better off reading the comments on a video than watching only
half of it. >> But I I am sorry. Um, but I have my
reaction on it on Full Play next week, >> so we're getting some content.
>> Okay. All right. >> You know that crazy expensive computer you built for him?
>> I feel like you have to take the value of this monitor out of that computer
somehow. >> They took away my GPU already. >> Oh, >> really?
>> I I stood up for you. >> I know you did. I appreciate it. >> You saw me stand up for you. I said they
shouldn't take it away. You know why they took it? Your department. Oh, get
owned. >> Yeah, now beak with you. Yeah, let's get one. >> Get owned. Yeah,
>> I don't think the two of us could take it with this broken monitor. I just
might. It's very durable. >> All right. Thank you, Sammy.
>> I'm very sorry. I'm very sorry. I feel so bad. I'm sorry.
>> Oh, man. That's a really nice monitor. >> I know. I'm sorry. I'm
>> What's the What's the model? That's not the 4K one, is it? >> It's like 800 Canadian.
>> I'm sorry. I did It wasn't intentional. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I feel so bad.
>> What monitor is it? Uh, it's a it's an Alienware something.
>> You know that you're the one holding it who can see the model number, right?
That's >> going to have to. >> Yeah, it's always on there.
>> He's going to drop it. >> See, >> I mean, that's fine at this point.
>> Sammy's one of those guys that we make a video with him and then half the
comments are like, "Why does this guy even work there?" >> I promise. He's really good at other
things. >> Wait, where's the model? He >> He is. Oh, Alienware 2725Q
October 2025. >> I think that's the 1440p. I'm sorry. I'm
so sorry. Wait, how much does it cost? It's It's 500 US, right?
>> OH MY GOD. NO. WAIT. NO. WAIT. OH MY GOD.
That's the first one I saw. >> This is a 240 Hz 4K. Yeah. This is like
top of the line. >> Holy crap.
>> Studled. like one of the best monitors on the market.
>> Wow. >> I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
>> I honestly had no idea when you showed me. I thought it was just like some
random junk monitor. I had no idea. >> I had no idea.
>> No, we got like really nice monitors and we had that like sick Alienware that
like sick Alienware gaming PC on it. It was like
>> that was like peak gaming other than the lumbar support and the headrest.
>> But aren't you glad I'm okay? I didn't get hurt. Actually, yes. That would have
been worse. >> Did you get blood on the monitor? >> I got my hand on it. See, see this this
this this hand sign shows war. I went
>> war shows that you were like banging in the depths of a steam ship.
>> Yeah. I was like, >> that's another possibility. >> That's not the kind of banging I meant,
but sure. >> Yeah. >> What do you mean? >> He's never seen Titanic. This is the
problem with the kids today. >> I watched Never mind. Sorry. Anyways, I
don't take too much time, but >> All right. Thanks, Sammy. >> Sorry. hasn't seen Titanic.
Hasn't seen POV. >> Who is this guy?
>> That's That's more expensive than any monitor I've ever owned.
Just a random random fun fact. >> That might be worth more than every
multimonitor setup you've ever owned.
1300 CAD >> probably. And I run three pretty good
monitors. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I think it is actually. >> I think so.
>> That's uh Wow. I would I like I I
honestly had no idea. He showed me in the lab and I was like, "Okay." I mean,
losing a monitor like sucks because we just always need monitors, but I'm sure
it's just like some random generic monitor. I had no idea it was an
Alienware. I had no idea it was high-end at all.
>> No, it's the highest of end. >> It's It's like full Downward Dog
Highend. >> Is Downward Dog the one where your butts
in the air? >> I It sounds like it.
>> Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> No,
>> I was thinking of child. >> It doesn't It doesn't get much more high-end than that.
>> All right. Well, subscribe to Floatplane so Sammy can
>> continue to do the things he does. No, he does really good stuff, too. I
promise. >> Dude, that's that's a lot. >> All right, let's pick Let's move on.
Let's pick another topic. Hey, really cool LTT Labs article this week. Yeah,
let's talk about that instead. >> We know it can be daunting to take your
first steps into the world of Linux. We know this because we've been doing it
recently, but LTT Labs is here for you.
This article uh from Nick tested by Sean
and Steven is we tried popular Linux
gaming distros. It's I have not read
this one yet cuz it just went up, but I'm very excited to. This went up like
two days ago. can maybe summarize for us. >> We we had some well yeah it's I mean
we're kind of benchmarking a bunch of gaming dros and there's there's tests if
you go down um there's there's standard you know Labs charts with different
games and how the different dros did and as you might expect they're pretty
similar cuz it kind of goes that way every time but we still looked at stuff.
Cashy did pretty good. Let's go Cashy. Uh >> hey look at that. Look at that. I
managed to pick the one the one that's
bad specifically for Doom the Dark Ages. The
other games it was uh >> if we if we do another Linux I switch
challenge in the future, you should just have to use whatever I pick.
>> No, that's less interesting. No, >> I I like I I think it's really important
to have the conversation around what information a normie is likely to be
exposed. >> No, that's true. That's true. That to me is a whether I end up making the right
choice or the wrong choice is is
actually a fundamentally important part
of the Linux challenge. And I
intentionally will not just ask people.
>> I could have we even said this in the first episode. I could literally call
Linus Torvoltz. Yeah. >> Literally have his digits and ask him
what district he used. But I'm not doing that. The one the only thing that really
surprised me and this would have led you to a dro that I didn't even recommend,
but I had a gut feeling that you were going to go with what he said he used.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> In the video you guys did together. That's what I thought you were going to
do. >> Nope. No. So, my my part of my method is
that I am I'm I'm looking at the entire switching experience
>> and part of the switching experience is going out there and fact finding. And
so, you know, when the community kind of comes and goes like he did the factf
finding wrong because he found the wrong
conclusion. What we need to do is we need to look at
okay, what are all these resources and why are they recommending this thing if
quote unquote everyone knows that it's like not good? And honestly, we've
already seen some positive change
>> every time. Yeah. >> Already. Yeah. And so it's one of those things where maybe I just accept my role
as the bearer of bad news and the
reality check for people who are so
knowledgeable that they don't realize what they don't what they know I guess
is probably the best way that I could describe it. It's like a curse of knowledge thing to a lot of Linux
community members. They don't realize how easy it is to make the wrong choice
because to them it's so obvious. They
have they know the right people to ask. They know the right resources to look
at. But to someone who to whom it's not obvious, who's coming into it for the
first time, it's very easy to end up on
a different path. >> And and honestly, I do find this pretty
interesting because I I didn't initially use chat. I've used chat GPD to try to
figure out things that are going on with my system, but I didn't use it to pick
my dro at all. But you did and it spat out pop OS and then I did to see if mine
would as well. And I don't it was one of the options. I don't remember if it was
number one, but it was one of the options. >> I don't think it was number one, >> but it was there. >> I thought number one was Cashy for you.
>> I don't remember. >> I thought it was like open susi or
something. >> I'm sorry. I don't remember.
>> It was a while ago. Um but this time I just did this sitting here right now,
not logged in. So it's not tailored on me. And best overall experience, Pop OS.
So like we can say we can say whatever we want, but a ton of people will use
this. >> Yes. Yeah. >> And people can be like upset about that,
right? You can be upset about that. You can think they shouldn't use it. But and
I said this I said this in episode one. If I am trying to be representative of
Joe Gamer, who's doing my own research
today and I didn't ask a chatbot, I'd be
doing a complete disservice. That would be a completely unrealistic assumption
that they would not use a chatbot because so many people are using them.
And we know this. This is just a fact that we don't have to like, but we do
have to deal with. We've got to deal with the fact that when Luke typed in
what Linux dro should I use and then closed his tab right as I was about to
switch back to his screen it out pop OS.
>> Yeah. >> And you know what's funny is um >> I know bar and a couple other things but
it said best overall was Pop OS. >> I never actually switched off of Pop Os
on my desktop. >> I don't know if I ever actually acknowledged that on Wancho.
>> I don't I don't feel like I realized that. I I kept it because I I did the
vast majority of my Linuxing on my other machines which were not running pop OS.
I was running Steam OS on uh on the
media PC and then I was running Kubuntu on my laptop which I actually ended up
mostly really happy with. There were some issues, you know, we'll talk about
those. But uh yeah, I didn't actually end up
using my desktop that much. And for the limited amount that I did use it, Pop
West not only was usable, but it actually got better over the entire
course of the challenge.
Someone in chat said, "I asked the LLM search and Ubuntu and Mint was number
one." I was like, "Oh, that's an interesting idea. I should just ask
search," which I never do. >> Yeah, >> but I should just do that. And it's the
exact same output. Um,
no bar project. I am specifying I'm switching to Linux from Windows
>> and that's where a lot so so a big part of why it recommended Pop OS for me was
that I laid out what my requirements were. >> Yeah, >> I want and and a huge part of the of the
residual sort of branding for Pop OS is
that it's really good for people with NVIDIA GPUs who want a turnkey gaming
experience and are coming from Windows. That's like that's the identity
>> of Pop OS. And also that it's not just for gaming. Like that was
that's that's the kind of like branding in a nutshell for Pop OS.
>> I think I think first of all I think a lot of people
have labeled me as like the Linux guy here, which I think is just not
>> it's not true. But you're definitely um you definitely had more familiarity
going into it than either of you. >> Oh, no. just trying to qualify my next statement as like I probably don't know
as much about this as some of you seem to think that I do. Um but in my
experience the whole >> better NVIDIA driver native stuff is
like eh >> yeah no I know
>> that hasn't been a thing for me in like a long time. I think that's uh I think
that's an old and it's it's everywhere.
So, like it was talked about a lot in the past, but I think we're kind of past
that problem. >> Um, at least in in like everything I've
used. Like Mint is much more casual and
has no problem with NVIDIA drivers. Mint for me can switch between Intel and and
NVIDIA graphics for like performance or battery saving setups and stuff and just
has no problem with it. Like I I don't think that's a modern problem. Um, just
as a note for anyone watching, I wouldn't get too scared about the NVIDIA
on Linux thing, it's it's really not as big of a deal as it was before.
>> Tim 000x3 says, "Okay, here's my counterpoint, Lionus." Joe Gamer is
actually going to also watch LT. So, they're going to say Lionus has a lot of
problems with Pop OS and probably not use Pop OS now. Are you taking that into
account? Well, I can't at the time. there's a bit of a like temporal issue
with your argument because at the time that I selected Pop OS, I have not yet
made a video finding out that Pop OS was problematic for me now.
>> So, it's Yeah. So, >> and also the chat GPT user base versus
Linus TechTips viewers. >> So, the chat GPT user base is this big
and the Linus Tech Tips user B viewer base is this big. Yeah,
>> like we I've talked about this a fair bit, but I
think our regular viewers, especially our WAN Show viewers,
overestimate the importance of us
>> and I'm flattered. You know, I appreciate that.
>> If if people that I game with figure out what I do, the most common question I
get is, "What pre-build should I buy
because I'm not into this stuff?" >> Yeah.
Y >> it was astonishing to me. I think much less so you, but it was astonishing to
me to figure out how massive the pre-built market was. I thought some of
these companies were just kind of small. They've existed forever. Some people
build computers, whatever. No, they're big. They're very big. They're huge. I
didn't realize how much like sway system
integrators had as well because they're so massive.
>> I had really no clue. And because of how important they are, not even necessarily
>> their computers cuz I'm dumb. even from a sales perspective, but from a
marketing perspective, like when people are shopping for a for a gaming system,
having your brand in everyone's configurator is in some ways like way
more powerful than any reviewer that you could ever seed product to because
that's where people with a very high purchase intent are going to be seeing
your brand and are going to be exposed to your product. And it's it's funny
because I um I in a lot of for a lot of
my career I sort of took for granted my experience as a product manager and
working in sales and marketing as just like well yeah but like everyone knows
that the enthusiast side of things is just this like you know tiny little cute
niche. Um and and and understands that there's actually a much larger machine
here that doesn't really care about us.
But then the longer I've been actually that
perspective was really important in trying to frame products in a way that
because I'm one of you because I am an
enthusiast I I can see the things that are important to us but also share the
perspective that
guides product decisions that we don't
like. >> Yeah. And that is that 99 out of the 100
people that are purchasing it are not us
and don't care. Like, okay, here here's
something that I know is a bug bear for you. Boring modern graphics card
packaging. >> Yeah, >> but look at it from NVIDIA's
perspective. Okay. GPU box. Here we go.
>> Dude, they were so cool. >> Oh my god. Packages.
>> So boring. >> Okay. Look at that boring box. >> So, this is what they used to look like.
>> That's so sick. >> So much better, dude.
>> Here's what they look like. >> Here's what they look like now.
>> So, NVIDIA mandates that you have to
have, you know, this and on the side,
uh, let me see if I can find a shot from the side. Uh, you've got to have, so
you've got to have certain elements. >> I know, I know. Relax.
>> Overclocked. >> Okay, here you go. So, you've got to have this on the side so that no matter
how it's faced on the shelf, everyone can see the GeForce and the model number
and you know, whatever. And you know what? In fairness to NVIDIA,
>> I'm not that against that. >> This was pretty hard to read. You know
about this, right? This is like a It's like a table book. Did you Did you order
it? >> No. >> Um >> Oh, remember this thing?
>> Oh, yeah. No, I didn't. I should. >> Yeah. Did did Did that ever uh
noteworthy find from the Did Did that ever like come to life? Publishers
website for stock alerts. Overclocked an
archive of graphics card box art. Can we
Let's go. All right. Uh this is your birthday present.
>> Sick. Thank you. >> All right. Um,
yeah, I I think having some amount of standard labeling so that you can tell
what thing you're buying is fine, but then beyond that, I would like it if it
was if NVIDIA would screw off.
Um, and just let people do fun stuff outside of like, you know, have your we
we talk about it with thumbnails where there's like the the safety zones or
whatever >> where like, okay, this is this isn't going to conflict with YouTube putting a
timestamp or or or a hover over or something like that. Have those areas
just be where NVIDIA has their mandatory branding. Cool. No problem. And then
beyond that, have some fun with it. It's a graphics card. It's supposed to do fun
things. >> Somehow we ended up here. We were
talking about this article on the Labs website. Check it out at ltlabs.com.
Um, it's just up here in the in the feed right here. Before you ask, yes, we do
have an RSS feed >> so that you can make sure that you see
all these all these really all these really cool articles that are actually
coming out on a very regular basis these days. >> Yeah.
>> Go check it out. >> Yeah. >> All right, let's pick another topic.
Oh, this is cool. Uh, here. Do you want to bring up the visuals for uh wave
overhangs is a new open-source slicer
forked from Orca Slicer that can print,
and this is wild, fully horizontal 90°
overhangs without support material.
That's what I looked like. >> That's confusing.
I'm I don't I'm not a big 3D printer omega brain, but this that's confusing
to me. >> Okay, you've got the visuals up now. >> I think so. Okay. So, here, let's throw
a Okay, this is cool. Yeah. Can you like zoom zoom zoom? Yeah, there we go. So,
instead of laying plastic into thin air and then just hoping for the best. Okay.
It generates concentric rings of material that each grab onto the cooled
ring that was laid down before them in the same layer, propagating outward from
the supporting from the supported edge like a wave. So, we're looking at the
one on the right over there. So you can see that it it kind of it kind of goes
a little farther a little farther each
time in order to in order for that
overhang to have something to grab onto. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> This concept isn't brand new. Arc
overhangs first appeared back in 2022 as a proof of concept that using
overlapping circular tool paths could achieve the same basic idea. The
difference is arc overhangs were never integrated into a real slicer and
required manually extracting coordinates, running a separate script,
and then pasting the G-code back into your sliced model. >> Wave paths do look a lot more simple.
>> Not exactly the kind of thing that most people are going to want to bother with.
Wave overhangs then is the first time the technique has been built directly
into a usable slicer with a gooey toggle with tunable settings and two different
algorithms to choose from. It is still very experimental. There are around 20
tunable parameters and no presets yet. And warping on larger spans is a known
limitation. Uh, but the developers are asking users to be part of its
development and upload test prints to a community gallery at waveoverhangs.com
to help figure out what settings work best across different printers and
materials. Um, so be be part of the
change you want to see in the world. Let's have a look at um some stuff from
the gallery. Like Oh. Oh, how cool is
that? >> Wow. >> Right.
>> That's pretty sweet.
Oh, I like it. Less supports should mean less wasted
plastic. >> More warping observed. >> It's always >> Hold on a second. No, wait a second. Oh,
wait. What am I looking at here?
This looks like a uh No, forget this
one. Hold on. Hold on. Let's find what? Yeah. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go.
Okay. That isn't that is an that's an overhang and a half. That's wild.
Being able to print that. Like, yeah, not perfect, but like that's crazy.
There's the print bed right there.
Man, dang. 3D printing you crazy.
>> Look at this. Best print so far on this
very challenging test print. Pattern zigzag.
>> Wow. >> There's definitely some warping. >> Oh, yeah.
But like this is how this is how these things get to the point where it's like
>> click and forget. Am I wrong that this would even just be a good idea to do
even if you did have some supports to help stop the warping? Because wouldn't
it be stronger once you remove the supports as well? >> Or am I just totally tripping?
>> Possibly. >> Cuz what I'm seeing in the in the demo imagery,
>> the the thing that was most interesting to me, I'm going to jump over to mine. >> Look at that.
>> Oh, wait. We can look at that for a second. >> Look at that. Look at this, Luke.
>> Look at this. >> That is cool. >> No supports, Luke. >> That's pretty wild.
>> That's crazy. This is the base, guys, for context. This is what was stuck to
the base of the print bed. Yeah. So, this gives us a look at what it looks
like from the bottom. Like, >> so what I'm seeing here is like in these
example images, the detached lines here,
>> just removing those and making it so that you're you're like
uh your your path is all the way from back here. So, you have all the strength from back here on these like uh these
parts here, which seem like they might be more breakable. I don't know. I'm not
3D printer brain guy, but it seems like potentially using wave paths in
combination with supports if you can't afford to have any deformation uh could
be a cool option for strength. I don't know.
>> Uh James Unknown says, "I've been 3D printing for years now, my own business
now, and this is huge. Not just saving material, but also what Luke is saying,
I can see that being way stronger." >> Cool. Okay, sweet.
>> Very I mean, that that seems awesome to me because you might even end up with a
combination of both. You might not need as much support if it's not going to be
as much of a as big of a problem. So, you can save some material and it can be
stronger. Like, what a win. All right, I got a funny one. Qualcomm's stock surges
in response to a report that it could make chips for an open AI smartphone
and then it lost much of those gains on subsequent trading days. According to a
report from well-known tech analyst uh Mingchi Quo, OpenAI is working on its
own smartphone in an effort to compete with the iPhone with mass production
targeted for 2028. Quo Yeah, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. Just a sec. Just
a sec. Hold on. Hold on. Relax. Relax. Kuo says that OpenAI has partnered with
chipmakers Qualcomm and MediaTek to develop the smartphone's processors with
Lux Share handling system co-design and manufacturing. The phone will reportedly
have no apps and be a completely agentic
workflow, whatever that means. This is another in a handful of hardware. So,
hold on, hold on, contain yourself. This is another in a handful of hardware
products that OpenAI has announced but not yet released, including earbuds and
that HomePod style smart speaker that Johnny IV is reportedly working on.
Okay, go.
First of all, just flatline used no
brain power had a thought sounds
terrible. I would never want to buy this. Oh my god. Okay, diving a little
bit more into things. It uses no apps. Dang, that sucks a lot.
So much of what I'm going to need to do is using apps on my phone. Uh hopefully
I'm not just like, you know, that old guy that gets clipped in the future when
people are like, "Oh, obviously we didn't need whatever." But at least
right now, this seems genuinely bad. Um,
also isn't it called apps when you add like functions to agentic
systems? Like when when
>> what does app even mean? >> When a >> It used to be short for application.
>> This is kind of what I mean. >> Now it's developed. It's kind of its own meaning. I don't know what
>> when they added wolffram alpha as a thing to open AI's agentic mode. Was
that was it not an app? >> They could be called skills too. Skills
and tools. Sure. Whatever. Um, sounds
sounds good. Uh, other than the product. The product sounds terrible. Um,
>> remember that time that Facebook wanted to make a phone?
>> Yeah. >> Remember how nobody wants or needs a
phone that is not at least at least a
walled garden ecosystem that is that is
accepting of, you know, pretty much everything else running on it as a
platform. Can you think of any reason to
want this over a phone from someone with
decades of experience building hardware like Apple?
>> The Western world is still going to want iPhones and the rest of the world is
still going to want open systems that they can extend and modify and and keep
going long term. And this is neither.
And I don't think it's going to breach the market basically anywhere. Maybe
it'll be popular for sales in San Francisco.
Uh, and that's probably about it. So, it's the it's the smartphone for tech
bros and tech bros only.
Whoa. Okay. Do you want to hear something kind of wild?
>> There's more viewers on >> there's more viewers on the WAN Show
channel than there are on the Linus Tech Tips channel. I think it's going to be
time to cut it off pretty soon. Guys, if you're watching on Linus Tech Tips right
now, you got to go switch over to the WAN Show channel. >> We got to figure out that collaborative
thing. >> Yeah, >> I think that's probably the way to go like moving forward.
>> Yeah, like a collab stream. So, we stream on the WAN Show and then
>> we just collab with LT >> collab for a while. I don't think we should do it forever because I don't
want to be sending notifications on both
forever. I think we should move to WAN Show sooner rather than >> I don't think it will if you're
subscribed to both. I think YouTube is smart about that.
>> I also I also don't want to let people
get complacent about it. They should subscribe to the WAN Show in order to
continue to follow the WAN Show. So, G
get on >> You can do it for streams. >> Get on over there. >> Really, Sammy?
>> Um, >> YouTube collabs. >> All right, moving on to our next topic.
I'm going to pick one. Maryland >> video >> has become the first American state to
ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores.
Critics do say that the law has too many loopholes. But look, let's let's start
with let's start with the good news side of it. The law was signed by Governor
Wes Moore on Tuesday and bans grocerers
and third party delivery services from using personal data to set higher
prices. If you're not familiar, surveillance pricing is a practice that
uses some characteristic of yourself,
like your zip code, for instance, or your ethnicity or um just any personal
personally identifiable personal information about you and uses it to
adjust the pricing upward um because of
what you can presumably afford. there's some camera thing and it's like, "Oh,
white people like broccoli. Let's increase the price of broccoli." >> Pretty much. It doesn't have to be a
racial thing, but um >> it could be. >> Let's face it,
>> it could be. >> Whether we want it to go to a race place or not, it often ends up
>> they'll put it behind some machine learning thing and call it a black box and say they have no control over it.
>> Sorry, what kind of box? >> Oh my god.
>> I think you're more intimately familiar than me.
Uh, no.
Listen,
Colorado, California, Massachusetts, Illinois, and
New Jersey are all considering similar bills. But while this is a win, consumer
advocates are saying that Maryland's law is full of loopholes. The biggest one is
that it bans raising prices based on personal data, but doesn't stop
companies from raising prices for everyone, then offering personalized
discounts that ultimately arrive at the exact same outcome. There are also
exemptions for loyalty programs and promotional offers, which are some of
the main vehicles that companies already use to do this. And there's no private
right of action, meaning that regular consumers can't actually sue if they get
caught up in surveillance pricing. Only the state attorney general can enforce
it, which critics say guts any real deterrent. So, it's a little bit of
progress in that we're finally talking about the issue. We're acknowledging the
issue, but it's very clear that there is a lot more that needs to be done. And I
mean, personally, I would just love to see this happen across the board. you
know why are airline t why are airline operators allowed to do this
>> actually crazy >> like the entire vacation industry seems
to operate based on this um however
however I I would caution that we don't
want to go too far regional pricing on
services like steam for example I
>> fundamentally support >> so this shouldn't be able to be done within a country is that fair enough
>> I think that's a fair line to draw let's use the those arbit arbitrary lines on
the map and let's let's make those the boundaries.
>> Would you go as far as like
a province >> or a city?
>> Would I allow different pricing
>> because I'm pretty sure >> somebody had Alberta plates on?
>> Oh, right. Cuz it would have to be dynamic. It has to be dynamic. Yeah.
>> No, I don't. I >> Okay. So, cuz my mind is like I mean there is different pricing for like say
milk in Alberta versus here. >> Yeah. But it shouldn't be because of
where you're from or because of who you are. >> It shouldn't be. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, that's up. Especially
because it incentivizes these organizations to then collect the data
on everybody. >> Yeah. >> And then whether or not they actually use it, I mean, a lot of they're going
to use it anyway. >> You can set your pricing. There might be market factors. It might be more
expensive to get trucks to wherever you are. Maybe you're way north in Canada or
something. That's just a fact. Um, but
you can't you can't change it based on who's in the store. Yeah, obviously that
seems like it should just happen.
Um, Fools and Horses says, "Linus, do
you collect any trends or data from LT store? Where does the line get drawn?"
You know what? This was actually something that >> you don't use that to
target pricing for specific users, though. >> Uh, no, we don't. But Colton had
actually messaged us about um like what
we do and don't collect on LT store and
like where we think the right line would be. I don't know if we ever actually
talked about that on WAN Show. I can't actually I can't find the email from him
right now, but do you remember the one that I'm talking about? They're trying to figure out like what would be what
would be uh you know an LMG friendly
level of like cookies and data collection to determine whether some of
the marketing efforts that his team is doing are actually working because right
now we do some limited data collection
but there are pieces of it that would be very helpful to them that right now they
don't they don't have enough to get a to get a clear picture. For instance, like
um one of the things they were looking at was like conversion of um of people
on Floatplane for subscriptions and stuff like that. Uh what what is what's
the right amount? >> The Floatplane one was a pretty big
line because we don't have a banner for stuff like that because we don't do like
any of it. So we were like h we'd have to do >> Oh, like a GDPR like and like a cookie
banner and like all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Um, so I we just didn't do it.
>> Ze says, "I avoid ads at a very high cost." Yeah, we're not we're not talking
about ads though. We're talking about like >> forms of tracking.
>> Yeah. >> Because like you it's it's there are
also other ways to do it though and that that was the counter pitch from flow
plane. >> So how do we do it? Um, you can have
like you can have it so that it's a link
and like the where did the URL come from. >> Yeah.
>> So we we can't track it on like an individual user basis, but we can see
like this many people clicked this link
and this many people that clicked on that link did follow through and
purchase a description. Now, someone could screw that up because the for us
because they could click on the link and then like navigate somewhere else manually and that manual navigation
might get rid of the the uh the URL.
Like there's there's yeah, there are other ways to do it. They're not
perfect, but neither is aggressive cookies that you're also feeding to
Facebook or whoever else because you're running it through their systems. It's
another thing to keep in mind.
Yeah. >> All right. Well, let's leave it alone
for now and then we'll go from there, I
guess. >> I don't know, man. I I understand why
his team wants to do this stuff, but I also understand the hesitation.
>> Yeah, but like I said, there are other options. It's not like we're we're
saying I mean, we we might have said no at the time because we're such a small
team. We can't just do everything all the time, but um
there's ways that you can track how well that campaign is working without being
able to tie it down to a specific user.
>> Okay? >> Like it is possible. You can you can have flags in the URL that follow the
process. >> And if if one of those like URL flagged
people that goes through does a purchase, >> it's just holding tallies.
>> Okay. So you like the advertising platform side should know how many
people you served that ad to. >> Mhm. >> Our side should know how many people
came to the site with that in the URL
and then our side should know how many people checked out with that in the URL
and then you have your three data points and like ideally that's enough and then
we're not feeding it through Meta or whoever else. Um
>> Amaker asks are you just putting yourself at a commercial disadvantage by
trying to be ethical about this? Yes, but like we often do and that's
something we've decided to do. And I
think I think that should almost potentially uh reflect
I'm just going to skip.
>> All right. In some other cool news, >> you guys can come up with your own
morality on that one. The first Tesla semi-truck from their Gigafactory Nevada
highvolume production line has officially rolled off the line. The semi
is a little late. It was first unveiled
in 2017 with an original promised production date of 2019.
Okay, a little late, but it's here. It
is worth noting this is not the first semi to be produced. A handful were
delivered to PepsiCo in late 2022, but those were essentially like handbuilt on
a pilot line. This time, we're talking
mass-produced units with an expected annual production capacity of 50,000
trucks. Although, it is worth noting that that will have to ramp up over the
next few years. >> Doesn't mean anything. >> And it doesn't mean anything because
Tesla lies constantly. But but but this
is, as far as we can tell, truthfully, the mass production line. These trucks
have a range of 325 m or 500 m depending
on whether they are the standard or long range model. And that is apparently
fully loaded, though it's not clear in our notes what exactly fully loaded
means. There's definitely degrees of loaded for semi-truckss. They support
Tesla's mega charger, which is 1.2
megawatt charger. I
could they not have done 1.21? 21.
They were so close. 1.21 megaww.
>> Yeah, it would be pretty sick. >> And that does that'll restore 60% of the
truck's range in 30 minutes. Cost on the
long range model. And this is what makes this good news show. Cost on the long
range model is expected to be $290,000.
That >> do we have a reference point for other semi trucks?
>> Oh, they're really expensive. I know >> they're so expensive.
>> That was my grandpa's job. >> And like the maintenance and the dealer
network and just the like old boys club of everything, the financing,
>> crazy loans. >> $290,000
for something >> that is going to have sure all the
disadvantages of an electric vehicle, right? Like these batteries will
eventually wear out and you have to charge and blah blah blah blah blah. But
that will also have the advantages
of an electric vehicle and that you're using simple electric motors.
Not okay, sorry, not simple, but relatively lowmaintenance electric
motors. Dude, this thing looks freaking
awesome. I am uh I am I'm like kind of stoked on
it. To be clear, I don't think that the Tesla Semi is going to be taking over
long haul trucking anytime
>> in the foreseeable future. >> There's a ton of trucking that isn't
long haul trucking. >> Yes. And >> that's okay. >> And and what's kind of cool about this
is for semis, I can actually see the
range being less of an issue, especially for companies that are somewhat
integrated where they can build in charging infrastructure at the various
docks that they're going to be visiting. cuz it said 60% in half an hour, right?
>> Mhm. >> If you're doing an unload or load, >> well, that wouldn't get a lot of char.
>> You wouldn't have a mega charger at like your warehouse.
>> But if every time you docked, you would be able cuz I mean you like your
transformer for your for your warehouse building like simply will not have that
level of unless you went out of your way like you're not going to have a mega
charger. >> Sorry. Sorry. Specifically mega charger. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess it won't do that
rate but still you could plug into something. >> Yes. But but the way that I see it is as
long as this thing is charged in the morning >> as you're going around to, you know,
your bottling, let's use Pepsi as an example, just because they were one of
the first customers for the Tesla Semi. So, you're going around to your various
ports of call. You're going to like the bottling depot here. You're dropping off some, you're making some drop offs at a
distribution hub here, you're going back to the bottling depot. If at every one of those or at or at some of those at
the at the ones that you own, you're able to plug in while things are are
loading and and being unloaded >> a little bit more, >> you can you can juice yourself up a
little bit over the course of the day. And if you're mostly doing local
distribution runs, this is just going to be so huge for everything from noise to
urban smog to just convenience for
operators. It's like driving a big rig like like a like man. Did you know that
some of them have like two stick shifts? >> I didn't know about the two. Yeah,
>> I didn't know you can like slip gears on purpose and there's all this like
>> like driving a truck is nonsimple.
>> If it could be if it could be one one pedal driving semis like if we could
lower the barrier to entry for for operating these vehicles.
Lower the mental load of operating them so you can be more focused on the road.
>> All right. The barrier to entry thing spooks me because of the amount of opened tin cans we've had in in BC of
people hitting bridges. >> When I say okay, when I say lower the barrier to entry, I don't mean that we
need people who are less cognitively capable operating them. What I mean is
that >> fewer fewer distractions. >> Sure.
>> Um I I just I see this as an absolute I see this as an absolute win.
>> Yeah, it seems cool. I always have like a little bit of skepticism
um because of their track record on being
able to hit their targets and stuff like that, but these things just rolling off
the line sounds great to me. >> Uh Tim asks, "How about maintenance?" I
mean, look, a diesel engine is a super
reliable engine. You know, like a like a Cumins diesel that you might find in a
in a large truck. It's going to be pretty flipping reliable. Like those
Volvo trucks, they'll do a million miles, you know?
>> And that's not even like that's not even like, whoa, you should get a free truck
cuz it did a million miles, you know? Like remember that first car that that
like traveling salesman or whatever who put a million miles on his car and the company gave him a new one. Like that's
not that's not even like that remarkable, >> but uh actually, okay. A Hayago ego says
diesels used to be super reliable, but now they are not as good. Interesting.
>> Okay. >> Classic. >> Yeah. No. many such cases. >> No comment on that. I I I was not aware
of that. From my understanding, big rigs do tend to be pretty reliable. Um Edison
motors, hold on a second. Um but yeah, from a maintenance standpoint, I know
that my experience with electric vehicles has been that it's relatively low. And I would imagine that especially
on braking, these would just be
so much better. >> Breaking on one of these must be insane,
>> right? >> Yeah. I mean, maybe I'm missing
something here. Feel free to tell me if I'm missing something, but regenerative
braking would be amazing for trucks, and they spend so much time idling and
stuff. >> Wonder if it's just relative. Wonder if it takes so much energy to get them
going that it's it's relative. I'm not sure.
>> Um, okay. Hold on. >> Either way, neat. Cool. To be clear,
>> see it when it happens. >> Tesla's not the only player in the game. We actually I really I still need to go
>> these guys shipping. >> Check out these guys. is uh >> can you buy a semi-truck from them?
>> Uh
okay, so hybrid so diesel and battery.
So hybrid trucks could be a better approach to
>> idea >> to long range trucking and Edison Motors is a company that uh they they they're
doing like an investment drive right now. Like I don't know what kind of
shape they're in right now. So this is not like an endorsement of the company
or anything like that. I I don't know enough to say one way or the other, but
I do I do love the idea of what they're
doing. Um,
uh, V&G Supernova says, "I thought semis used pneumatic braking, so regen braking
wouldn't be that useful. Does the Tesla Semi not use regen braking?"
Regenerative braking
uses powerful regenerative braking across all three electric motors as
Yeah. Um yeah. No, no, no. Yeah, regular semis
do use pneumatic. A lot of them use air brakes, but no, the Tesla should be uh
should be using regenerative braking. Yeah. Yeah, it uses regenerative braking. So, that's kind of like the
whole point of the Tesla Semi is that it is doing things differently to bring
advantages that traditional semis do not.
Uh, Kitsuni Sensei says, "Most of your wishes for trucks are already reality
outside of North America." This is this is true. Uh, electric trucks in um like
I I I remember seeing like a crazy number apparently in the last year there
were more electric trucks produced in China than the entire total addressable
market like the entire annual market for
um fossil fuel and electric trucks in North America.
>> Wow. Um, so yes, electric trucks are definitely a thing, but guys, it's good
news. W show, can we just let a win be a win? Okay, there's more electric trucks
on the road.
All right. Uh, what else we got? You want to pick
one? >> Sure. Let's jump through here.
>> I think I know what you might pick. I'm going to be ready for it. >> Is it just the next one?
>> Whatever you want. >> Right to repair. Repeal repelled. What a
what a title. Colorado's consumer rights continue. Kick rocks corpose. Colorado's
consumer rights right to repair digital electronics equipment law took effect in
January 2026 providing access to documentation and tools to repair or
modify electronics. However, a new bill was proposed that would create an
exception for critical infrastructure, a term that advocates uh
that advocates feel is too loosely defined. The bill was supported by
lobbyists for Cisco and IBM and passed unanimously through the Colorado Senate
really but was shot down in a 7 to4 vote
by the Colorado House's state civic military and veteran affairs committee.
The core arguments from Cisco representatives claimed that there was
potential cyber security risks
to what uh what's to stop bad actors from using those tools to reverse
engineer internet routers? I mean lots of Okay, carry on.
>> Cyber security experts pointed out it doesn't really work like that. The vast
majority of hacks are carried out remotely and it is more likely the
victims of hacks um that that need to make changes on the fly without
acquiring permission from manufacturers. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. Cool. Oh man, our discussion question
here is is there is there Oh, okay. No,
I misread it. I thought it was wanting us to get into uh whether lobbying
should be a thing or not. No, we're definitely not approaching that on the
WAN Show today. >> No. >> Uh I thought you were going to do this
one. >> Oh, where is that one?
>> Up a little higher. >> I see it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This week,
Noctua announced that they now offer public 3D CAD models for all their fans.
You can find the files directly from their product download section, just
like any fan. Uh, sorry. Just find any fan such as the classic NFF12PWM.
Oh, one sec. Go away. Uh, if you want to
download a step file to check it out, Sammy might have a 3D printed one for
you to check out, which is here. >> Yeah, it is worth noting that this is
not going to allow you to make your own knock to a fan. This fan that Luke is
holding is not really a fan so much as it is a motor model of a fan. Yeah,
there's no motor in it. And um Noctua
says that they intentionally adjusted the geometry a little bit so that
cosmetically it looks like their fans, but if you were to 3D print your own fan
and actually put a motor in it, it would not achieve the same performance
characteristics. Um, you know, obviously
that wouldn't prevent anyone from just buying a real knock to a fan and
scanning it or whatever. A sophisticated enough counterfeitter uh would be able
to make it without this anyway, but this is more for community members to have
realistic looking Noctua products in their, you know, their renderings or
whatever else. >> Sure. >> So, yeah, I think I don't know. I just I just I just thought it was pretty cool.
>> Sweet. >> Exactly. In other sweet news, Libropods
no longer requires root for some features. So, Libropods, if you're not
familiar, is a way to use AirPods on
Android and have some of the uh Apple exclusive features accessible. The app
now works without root privileges on
Google Pixels um running Android 16
March update or later with the latest Play System update. Uh, Google Pixels
running Android 17 beta 3 or above. Okay, hold on. I'm a little confused by
those two. Uh, are my do I have a problem with my
notes? Control F pixel.
Okay. Well, mileage may vary on those two. OnePlus
devices that are running oxygen OS 16 and above. OPPO devices on Color OS 16
and above. And Realme devices on Realme UI 7.0 toe and above. You can now get
the following features without root noise control modes, ear detection,
battery status, head gestures, and
conversational awareness. There are a few more features that Libra Pod
supports, but still require root, and that's hearing aid mode, customized
transparency mode, and multi-device connectivity. Honestly, they've nailed
down most of the stuff that I would
think I would need. The app is free on the Play Store, but does require an
inapp purchase of €5 in order to unlock
all functionality. I think I actually bought it a while ago. I just need to
check. Um, it's my uh my Galaxy phone is
still not on the list, but I am very
very ready to have more
more Libra Pods goodness.
Man, it's amazing how many updates like modern platforms make to make them
supposedly faster and yet they are so slow. Like I remember when
>> it's a lot of updates are not for speed. >> YouTube updated their dashboard. They
claimed it was all about speed. It is still slower than it ever was. Like the
creator dashboard and like graphs and everything. Like hello. Can we can I
search for something? Anyway, not right now apparently. H what else we got
today? Um, let's see.
Boink pentathlon. The LCT Boink team will be competing in the seventh Boink
Pentathlon running from 17th. That makes
more sense. Uh, running from May 5th to
19th in this event. We'll go up against other tech communities contributing
computing power through Boink to support scientific research and progress. Last
year, LT placed in second overall. Our goal this year is to take home the gold.
If you want to join the competition and support science, you can find the details and sign up on the thread on the
forum. >> Oh, I finally have a use for my computer. I will compete this year with
you guys. >> Here's all the details. There will be
prizes. Oh, wow. There's community donated prizes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Steam keys. Uh yeah. Well, we're
providing some prizing, too, right? >> We better be. >> We better be. Well, we're on it. We'll
find some prizes. Don't worry about it. Uh, let me uh
>> I didn't see us in there, but we usually do. >> Yeah, I don't know. We'll we'll we'll get it done. Heck yeah. All right, cool.
Heck yeah. LT forum. >> And
Xbox mode begins rolling out to players on Windows 11 PCs.
Scroll. Today, Microsoft is expanding
what used to be called the full screen experience on handhelds like the RG Xbox
Ally to all Windows 11 PCs, laptops,
desktops, tablets, etc. Xbox mode is a
full screen controller optimized interface that puts your game library
front and center while minimizing background distractions. rolling out
gradually in select markets via Windows update. You can toggle it in settings,
then enter it with Windows and F11 from the game bar or by pressing the Xbox
button on a paired controller. >> Yeah. So, three different ways to
activate it. Discussion question. Is Xbox mode what Windows gaming should
have been all along? >> Yeah,
>> probably. >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's basically the
game folder from Windows Vista, but like way better.
Um, overall I like itish. Um,
in some ways it feels like it can be a little unnecessary because my entire
game library is in Steam pretty much. Uh, but if I was someone who had a game
library that spanned multiple launchers to a greater degree, then yeah, having
the the Xbox mode experience consolidate them all would have more of a value to
me. >> I definitely have multiple launchers. >> Yeah.
>> Uh, I mean, especially with Yeah, I might. Especially with um new Assassin's
Creed, not new Assassin's Creed, the new Assassin's Creed remaster coming and
stuff. It's definitely a little bit, you
know, full of game pass and stuff,
>> but you don't have to click those buttons. So,
>> as they're there, they'll probably annoy me. >> Well, let's see. Let's see.
>> Uh, hey, speaking of things that are there and might not annoy you, Toyota's
limited edition $3,500 Crown gaming chair. Yeah.
>> I mean, is here. >> You know what does annoy me about this
is I've >> I don't know, man. I don't fit a lot of
chairs. Just being honest.
>> Mhm. >> I don't. So, I saw this and was like,
"No way. Let's go. I want the purchase
page right now." And then I saw the price and I was like, "Well, someone
will have fun with that." >> It looks
pretty fancy. >> I love that there's actually a
>> USBC. >> I didn't notice that when I first looked at it. That is actually so funny. Um,
sorry. My uh my zoom wait. My zoom is
being a little funky. Uh here, hold on. I'm 100%. Yeah. Why is it $3500
though? >> It's like the crown collection. Like the price of two monitors.
>> Oh my two.
>> That's so painful. >> Heating. >> Cooling sounds pretty cool.
>> The cooling sounds incredible. >> The cooling sounds amazing. Um
I don't know what I would do with this.
>> You know what my chair at home is right now? >> Charging, I guess, cuz it wouldn't be
data. Like, it wouldn't be connected to my computer. >> Don't answer that, Luke. We got a merge
message for later. >> Wait. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, wait. >> For some reason,
>> what's in the caboose?
>> Uh, is that all the like is that the like
>> Oh, does it >> stuff for the heating and cooling? >> Is that the junk?
>> Wait, so you like this needs to be like plugged in. >> Oh, I'm sure.
>> Right. Which makes sense. Yeah. Heating and cooling. Wow. You know, I I want to
try it. Is it Japan only, though? >> I think it's Japan only.
>> Just Just you know, >> there's only about 70 units being made.
>> H Why, man? Ah,
what? Okay. My question is, if you're
going to put the work into creating it,
why so few? You know, there's more than
70 people who'd be like Toyota gaming
chair and just do it. >> 3500 >> more than 70 for sure. Come on.
>> Toyota fanboys with money. >> And the Toyota Crown,
>> you know, they didn't spend that much on their car. So, >> the Toyota Crown is one of those like
super fancy cars, right? >> Uh I actually
>> I'm pretty sure it is. >> Don't know what's a Toyota Crown.
>> I thought they were really nice.
Yeah, it according to AI, the Toyota Crown Hybrid sedan starts at around
55,000 Canadian dollars.
So, no, not even. Like I said, they bought a Toyota, so they clearly didn't
overpay for their car, so they can afford a fancy chair, I guess. I don't
know. >> Is this a plug-in hybrid?
>> Is it? >> What? The chair? >> No, the car. >> Oh. Oh, I'm
>> so a hybrid system. >> If it doesn't say plug-in hybrid, then
it's just a regular hybrid. >> Powertrains, limited models, blah blah.
Hybrid system, turbocharged, hybrid, max. Yeah. No, no, they're hybrid, not
plugging hybrid. >> Damn. >> Sorry, Luke.
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>> A bank robber is trying to get out of his conviction by claiming that geoence
warrants are a violation of his constitutional rights. This is down in
the states. The Supreme Court is hearing this case on whether a geoence warrant
violates the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches.
>> What is that? >> The case uh well, here we'll get to it. The case stems from a 2019 bank robbery
in Richmond, Virginia, where a man made off with $195,000.
Police had no leads until they served a geoence warrant on Google, which handed
over location data for every device that was in the area around the time of the
robbery, which eventually led to the man's arrest when they found a bunch of
cash with them. So context of geoffence warrants if you
need it. It's police draw a virtual circle around a crime scene, pick a time
window and then ask a tech company like Google to hand over data on every device
that was inside that circle during that time. Practical usage tends to follow
these stages. Initial sweep gives police anonymized location pings and timestamps
for every device within the circle identified only by numerical IDs. Police
then flag any devices that look suspicious based on movement patterns
and go back to the tech company with a follow-up request to unmask those
specific accounts, getting the email addresses, phone numbers, and usernames
that are tied to them. In the case of Google, this data comes from Google's
location history feature, which technically requires you to opt in, but
most people who use Google Maps or other Google services are already sharing this
information. So, the plaintiff's lawyer argued that even anonymized location
data acts like a type of fingerprint since your specific moving pattern
movement patterns can be used to identify you. The DOJ countered that
location data just represents public movements that anyone could observe. So,
the Fourth Amendment defense shouldn't apply. Uh, the discussion question here
is that the justices seem split and generally reluctant to wait into how the
Fourth Amendment operates in today's world.
This one is complicated.
>> Yeah. Why do criminals keep bringing identifiable phones to crime scenes?
>> Yeah. >> A very complicated question that I really will never understand. But then
also also
why am I able to be tracked
in a personal personally identifiable
way by something that supposedly cares
about my privacy. >> Yeah, I don't like that. But then
counter counterpoint if you're an do well taking money that
ultimately you know we all pay for like I'm not an American and I don't bank at
that bank so I have nothing to do with like that specific case but at the end
of the day we all pay for crime like
society um
>> do I mind if >> everyone there got their information
flagged and taken by the government >> but then counter counter counter point
yes to Luke's point that's exact what the lawyer's arguing >> and who's defining how big the circle
is. >> So, what if they're like, "There was a bank robbery in North Vancouver. What if
what if we circled the entire greater Vancouver area and just grabbed
everything and use this data for multiple other things going on and also
so I can track my wife's phone to see if
she's going somewhere that I don't like or I'm not going to tell anyone that I
just did that." >> What if there was no bank robbery? What if there was a protest?
>> Yeah. >> Now all of a sudden it can become a tool for government crackdown.
>> I actually do not envy the Supreme Court
justices as they navigate this one.
To be clear, I have no pity for buddy
who got busted stealing a bunch of money from a bank.
just desserts. However, the methods do matter if you
want to even maintain the branding of having a free society.
And this one is complicated.
>> They're just exercising their freedom to all of your information and data, knowing where you are all the time.
>> Oh. Oh, that's what you think freedom is. >> It's just it's just freedom.
I don't know what you're talking about. >> Yeah, man. freedom is uh it's she's a
complicated she's a complicated concept. I read a really interesting essay
recently on the um the ways that the
word and the concept of freedom have been kind of perverted
um from the way that a lot of people kind of intended them in the in the in
the in the creation of sort of the the western model of free society.
>> Sure. and how they've become kind of
divorced from the responsibilities that accompany that freedom and how we're not
sure if that freedom will survive. Um,
an unwillingness to also
exercise the freedom responsibly and be a part of be a part of that functioning
free society. It's a really interesting essay. I wish I could find the link for
you guys, but um yeah, fascinating. It doesn't come to a conclusion because
it's because it's complicated. >> Archangel of death said, "As the saying
goes, your freedom ends when the freedom of the big corporation and government
starts or something like that." >> Yeah, sure.
Just so that everyone's clear, Archangel of Death meant that with a big fat
slashs. Okay, relax. >> Sometimes.
Well, yeah, but >> your freedom to have your IP not ripped
off just got obliterated by every single AI company on the planet.
>> Well, yes. >> Oh, >> Luke, it's good news. Wow.
>> Right. Okay, >> calm down. >> Next topic. >> Android developers are revoling against
Google's 2026 sideloading registration mandate. Starting September 2026, Google
is fundamentally changing how sideloading works on Android. Right now,
installing an app from outside the Play Store is as simple as downloading an APK
and tapping install. Sort of. You have to enable unknown developers, whatever.
Whatever. Whatever. But sort of. Under the new rules, every developer, even
hobbyists and open source contributors who never touch the Play Store, must
register with Google, verify their identity with governmentissued ID, register their app signing keys, agree
to Google's terms, and pay a $25 fee. If they don't, their app gets silently
blocked from installing on any certified Android device. Google says that power
users can still install unverified apps,
but the new advanced flow requires enabling developer mode by tapping the
build number seven times, navigating through multiple setting screens, and
waiting out a mandatory 24-hour cooling off period. Over 37 organizations,
including the EFF, Foid, Proton,
Nextcloud, and the Tour Project, have signed an open letter demanding that
Google reverse course. Foid calls the mandate existential since its entire
model relies on volunteer and pseudonmous developers who have no
reason or desire to register with Google. The rollout starts in Brazil,
Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand with a global expansion planned for 2027.
Custom ROMs like Graphine OS and Lineage OS are unaffected.
Discussion question. If installing an app on your own phone now requires a
24-hour waiting period in developer mode, can Google still call Android an
open platform? >> I mean, I think they can still call it
whatever they want, but is it one? Um, I don't know. I think this is something
that would kind of push me to do the same thing I'm doing with Linux right
now on my phone, which is just try alternative options. >> Let me pitch you some food for thought.
With this change, would you be more comfortable recommending an Android
phone for your grandpa or grandma?
>> No. >> Really? I would. Straight up. 24-hour
waiting period for random APKs. The way
that scams work? Zero question.
Now, does that mean that I support the move? Not necessarily. I see lots of
problems with it, but I also can see a
good faith argument for why Google wants
to unmask developers on the platform. And they are still offering a way that
you can install anything.
>> A 24-hour waiting period would functionally kill the like, oh yeah,
Grandpa, just go here and install this and click through this and click through
this. I'll wait on the phone with you while you dump all of your life savings
into >> a lot of those scams are multi-day long. >> Okay. Not all.
>> That's totally fair. That's what you're >> It would make it so much more work.
>> Yes, it definitely would. I um I would
like to see this as a
feature >> that is like family management
controllable. >> Interesting. So like a fleet management
feature. Okay, so here's my question though because
who is the administrator of that though? Like as as a as a head of family like
techy dude, I hear that and I go, "Oh yeah, that totally makes sense. That's
how I would manage it through family link and I would do this and I would do that." But most people's structure is
not necessarily like that.
Like I can this is one of those ones where on the surface
>> I can see >> this feels like sacrificing freedom for security in a way that I do not like. Um
it does but I I think if you put that in the power of users, yeah, you'll still
lose some people because they're not going to have that type person in their family or whatever. But in my experience
of my my grandpa living far away in a
retirement village effectively, there was like an IT person thing. I don't
even know what I would call it. It was like the person that everyone in that
town because it was it was a pretty sprawling area, but it was a and
everyone had their own homes and stuff, but it was a retirement focused area. I
don't even know. I'm sure it has a name. I don't know what it is. Um
>> retirement community. >> Sure. Um and I don't know if this
person's shop was like on site in that community or not, but like just
everybody knew who he was. Um, and he
had a particular way of dealing with everyone, which was actually like kind
of neat because it was like the only person everybody really used. Word of
mouth was everywhere that like if you were have like if your laptop was screwed up, he'd just exchange you
>> and then fix yours and like sell it to somebody else or whatever. Like he was
pretty good about just like keeping people going. and he had basically like
team viewer on everyone's systems,
>> which I know, >> but he could tap in if he like needed to
help you with something cuz there would often be like, oh, there's something going on with whatever.
>> That's what our angel of death says. 24 hours is enough time for my elderly
family members to call me just to check if they're doing the right thing. I'm
still fundamentally against it for other reasons. And I think that actually summarizes sort of where I'm at right
now. I haven't had a lot of time to think about it. My reason for this very
long story >> Oh, sorry. >> Is whoever that dude was
>> Yeah. >> could maybe enable this thing for these people. >> But he was a good actor. What if he
wasn't? >> Yeah. >> Then disaster.
>> And >> I mean, if you're not a good actor and you're in that dude's position, this
24-hour window will not stop you. >> This is true. Fools and Horses has a
really good point and asks asks the question, has Android gotten so large
that the risk of being called negligent for allowing these things and for not
putting obstacles in the way is greater than the risk of their disgruntled
customers over this loss of freedom, loss of openness. Um, how much of the
market would they really lose? And I think that's got to be the question that
Google's asking themselves as they navigate this decision. And I I suspect
the answer for how many people they're going to lose is
extremely small. >> Yeah. >> Um
and and that's not like that's not me saying that I support the decision. I'm
just saying that that's the reality is
that most people are not even watching the WAN Show, not even aware of this,
would have never sideloadaded an APK anyway unless some rando told them to do
it, in which case this was probably a
thing. Um,
so Greak asks, "Why is this also?" Okay,
sorry, they're responding to someone else. Yeah, never mind. Um, yeah, Ann
White says it won't be zero, but yeah, it will be small. Uh, leaving one's most
experienced OS and just like switching is like kind of a pain. Like honestly,
that's why Ivonne's still on iOS. Not because she prefers it, but just after
she did the iPhone challenge, she's just like, uh, switching phones is such a
pain in the butt. It really is. And just I I do think it's going to be pretty
negligible. Arcomian says leave to what? iOS. I mean, graphine OS is an option.
iOS. Um, I saw I saw a cool uh this was
cool. This was not really good news enough to be good newsws W show, but um
Windows phone Android launcher someone's uh someone is working on or
um made Oh, no. Apparently this is old.
Just uh an Android launcher that like looks a lot like Windows Phone, which I
thought was pretty cool. Anyway, that's it. That was a little highlight for
that. I I don't think we're gonna reach a conclusion on this one because I don't
think that it's it's cut and dried. >> Sounds simple. >> I do I do appreciate Google's um
position that they are still allowing sideloading with these caveats. And for
me, for my use of Android, the handful of times that I've needed to sideloadad,
this would have been good enough. This would have been a minor inconvenience.
>> Where does the slope end? Are we on the slipper? So, so,
>> and I can't tell. I don't know that we are. I'm not trying to claim necessarily
that we are. >> I don't either. >> There are there are times where I have been like, "This is a slope." I don't
know that this one is, but it it smells like one. >> It Well, okay. In a vacuum, I would push
back. If this was the only change that Google had made to Android over the last
5 years, then I'd be like, "Luke, come on.
>> They've been good stewards. They've done this. They've done that."
In the context of everything that Google has done though with Chrome and with
Android um with their products in general over I mean the last while it's
a lot harder for me to do that. I they've lost my trust.
>> Yeah. >> And I think that's a big part of it is like they've there was a time when
Google might have done this and said trust me bro I got you. And I said okay
>> I would have I still have a little bit of that with them but not as much as
before. I I feel like they uh Let's
check in on Killed by Google.
I feel like they've been slowing down, but I'm not sure.
Okay, so 2026 and beyond is these. Oh,
okay. Yeah, that's actually not that much >> compared to I mean 2024
being like what all of this
>> the postcoid time was a big was a time
of a lot of consolidation for the big tech companies.
>> God >> team sizes shrank projects were
abandoned. It wasn't just Google at that time.
>> Wow. Fascinating. Yeah. that Google is like
the the corporate uh embodiment of throw
things at the wall and see what sticks, man.
Yeah. And this next uh after dark
segment is the embodiment of throw questions at us and producer
>> Dan. He's a Rubbermaid bin shelf now. Oh, there he is. Uh throw questions at
us and see what sticks.
I have become square.
Let me get us changed over uh after dark. And I have to push this button,
too. Sorry, that came out of nowhere. I was unprepared.
You good? Hey, LLD.
I've been thinking about this lately. badminton is super popular around the
world, but most pro players, aside from the very top, don't seem to make nearly
as much as athletes in other big sports.
I think about this a lot. So, take this
for the semi-informed
um rant that it kind of is. Um I think
it's a number of problems and I think that BWF uh so badminton world
federation is doing some things right to address it. Uh for for instance they
actually just recently changed the scoring format. So in the in the olden
days so I guess this ended ended in the '9s or early 2000s I think badminton was
done with service point. So that is that you can only score a point when you
begin the rally with the serve. Okay. So, it was service point um sets of 15
and then best of three sets. The problem with service point is that the games
would sometimes drag on forever. It was an enormous burden on the athletes. And
when you consider that often times during tournaments they're playing
backto back to back uh across subsequent
days, um it could put you at a major disadvantage if one of your if one of
your sets dragged on for a really long time because you have to win by two. So
a service point win by two means that you could just defensively carry things
forever and it really rewarded endurance
and less aggressive play. So it was changed to rally point so you can win a
point on any service whether it's yours or the other players. Um so I believe in
the I believe in the 2000s. Don't quote me on that but I believe it was the 2000s to encourage a more aggressive
style of play but to make sure the matches weren't crazy short. It was
changed to 21 points per set.
I think the 21 point service point or
excuse me 21 point rally point format still best of three was horrible for the
game, not for the players. The players like it and they actually from my
understanding still mostly like it and there's a lot of resistance to the new
scoring format which is 15 points rally point. Um,
but why I think it's so detrimental to the sport is it's really boring to watch
a 21point match. I mean, tell me how
important in hockey, how important is the first goal to you as a player,
>> right? Yeah. Extremely >> extremely important. From the opening
faceoff, from that moment, the entire game could be riding on the
line. There's also a significant amount of like fear at any point in time that something might happen which could
result in a goal. >> Okay. >> Like if you see if you're if you're you
know if the the enemy team is in your team zone and you're a fan, you're
shaking in your boots >> at most stages of the game.
>> Yes. Okay. So counterpoint. What if a
hockey game was played to 21 goals?
>> Yeah. You don't >> the first goal. Are you
>> almost doesn't matter. So what's happened and especially
>> you got to set the tone >> especially in a format that um is is
like a seated bracketed tournament where your top seeds are playing against your
bottom seeds up until you reach realistically like the the round of 16
or quarterfinals. Um you end up with a lot of boring play that no one cares
about. Um because the first like little
bit of the game is everyone just kind of like settling in and then after that
you've got like a very obvious who's going to win and who's not going to win
and there's very little upset in the rally point system because a better
player will just win more points and
there's less like oh but hold on he could defend he could defend their
service regain the serve and like like
like scrape his way back into the game.
You don't really get as many momentum swings and you get don't get as many
upsets and you get a lot of the game that's just kind of like people are the
players themselves are kind of tuned out. They're not going as hard and I
think it's really boring to watch. The other thing that contributes to
badminton being boring to watch is the camera is is the broadcast. The camera
angles suck. They do such a poor job.
But I remember showing someone like a really high level badminton match at one
point and I'm going, "Well, why are they just like lobbing it to each other?" And
I'm like, "Bro, if I hit those shots to
you on a court and you like properly
understood from the actual movement how far they're going, they travel way
farther in way less time than top level tennis players, but you don't know that
from watching it. You can't tell like the sheer athleticism of the game is not
apparent from >> farther. I don't think that's true. >> Way farther. It's not even close. You
cannot think it's true, but it's >> in the amount of time. I think you're totally right. But the distance,
>> it's not even close. >> I promise you. Men's sing. So, it's a
men's singles to men's singles, like top level Olympic match comparison. Someone
did the math. >> Total distance moved. >> Total distance moved. >> Okay. I think Yeah, I think we're
talking about different things, but >> total distance moved is higher and it's
in less time. Both of those things. It's
crazy like what they're doing out there and the explosiveness of the movement.
It's a great game. It's a wonderful game. Um, you can't tell the the the the
angles do it no service whatsoever. And especially the English- speakaking
commentators, they might as well be commentating golf.
So, I'm coming around to my point finally. >> You should commentate a game.
>> It'd be fun. >> I I'm not experienced. I'm not like I It
would still be very amateur and like crappy and boring. Bring one, this is
how game casting does it. Bring one person on who? Bring one of the people
from Babon Insights and you
and then you have like you're the energy and they're the next person.
>> You know what? That's kind of an interesting idea. It's kind of an interesting idea. I kind of I kind of
like the idea. >> Um anyway, I'm coming around to my point
here. So, you ask why the players aren't paid as much. And it's because, in my
humble opinion, I see a lot of resistance from the players to rule
changes that would make the game more entertaining to watch. Where does money
come from? >> Interesting. >> It doesn't necessarily come from people
playing the game in their backyards. They'll go and they'll buy a racket from
Yonx or Victor or whatever. So there's revenue coming into the companies that
are that are sponsoring these events, but it's not necessarily attributable to
the players. >> Yeah. >> It's not attributable necessarily to the broadcast except like you said to those
very top players where the matches are interesting, where anyone could win. So
I would actually like to see them go even farther in the reduction of points
per set. I'd like to see something that's closer to like a tennis scoring
system. Uh so for badminton because the rallies are generally shorter uh what
I'd like to see is maybe like best of five sets but playing service point to
like five points or seven points. So
very very very short sets
but that have service point in order to give an opportunity for upset victories
because realistically even if I'm a much
better badminton player than you I could make three mistakes
>> if you know Yeah. I'm kidding. >> Yeah. But but I could make three
mistakes. >> Now the pressure's on. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Right. You create tension. I want tension and I want excitement the whole
time I'm watching. Think about sports that are fun to watch that keep you on
the edge of your seat the whole time you're watching. Anything could happen.
>> Yeah. It's Yeah, it's always tension. >> Bad doesn't achieve that.
>> All the ideas your idea is very interesting. All the ideas I've been trying to think of while sitting here I
don't think work for the players at all. I had one where like if your rally gets
>> far enough in it starts it becomes like worth more or something
>> but like now you have players like counting on cords so it doesn't work.
>> It would be kind of fun as like a video game but it doesn't work as like a
sport. >> Yeah. Like and then and then if you get enough multiplier bonus you could have
you could nuke your opponent from orbit with the geo positioning laser. If you
if you go six six rally back and forth, you can like double jump.
>> You could do a special a special combo move.
>> Yeah. >> Um >> helicopter hit.
>> Yeah. So there, sorry, that's my extremely long answer to what I think is
wrong with badminton is it's not it's not fun enough to watch. >> A lot of sports have that problem.
>> Yeah. It also has the problem of like
being very very multinational and therefore
um it being hard to get like good common
language interviews >> for your various geographies of
audience. >> Yeah. Um,
it's tough. It like it's it's a funny thing because in general I I I find
myself not liking the corporatization of
sports. Like it it kind of sucks that
Mlin Celibbrini doesn't play for the Vancouver Conucks given he's
from here. >> He's like the most exciting player in
hockey right now. >> Be pretty freaking cool if he did. >> I don't think I would mind that.
>> That would be awesome. Um
um and like the fact that Conor McDavid doesn't play for the Toronto Maple Leafs
is like, you know, kind of ridiculous.
Uh where where's where's Sid from? He's from he's from Nova Scotia, I think.
Right. So the fact that the Hartford Whalers don't get to still exist and Sid
plays for them, like come on, man. >> That was like Okay, so yeah, this is
very true with hockey where like Americans will be like, "Oh, well we
beat you." And it's like, yeah, your team has a lot of Canadians on it. But then baseball, you look at the Toronto
Raptors and it was like, >> it's like, oh, the Canadians finally
made it. It was like kind of >> Were there like two Canadians on the team or something?
>> Yeah, it's kind of a lot of Americans. >> So So as much as I So as much as I don't
love the corporatization of of sport where like the Vancouver Conucks is just
a brand. It has no meaning. Like there was at one point there was more Swedes
than Canadians on the team, which I don't mind. I have nothing against Swedes. I just
>> historically been a big thing for Vancouver to have a like disproportionate amount of
>> basically the Canucks were team Sweden at one point. >> Um and and so I don't like that.
>> But what that does a really good job of
is like getting people excited about,
you know, like their team. Whereas when
it's like the national team, if you don't happen to have a star player,
especially in a more individual sport like badminton, there's like kind of
nothing to cheer for. Whereas if you just, you know, had the, you know, the
Malaysia aces and, you know, the the the
the Canadian geese or, you know, like you had you you did more branding around
it, then yeah, I think there's then I think there's a chance to to
>> there's also >> to build long-term fandom. >> Yeah. Like people will identify like
they'll wear the hat, you know, like I'm a I'm a Chargers fan, you know, I'm a
Raptors guy. >> Nobody nobody very few people do that
except like on the court like they'll they'll wear like, you know, a jersey or
whatever for their favorite player, but there's not that that team branding. And
it works. It works. I don't make the rules. It works.
>> This is an ignorance thing. Is most of the world as interested in sports at all
as North America is? Oh dude. Yeah. Like
>> as a viewer, as a fan, >> dude. Like cricket in India, right?
>> It's crazy. >> Is that them having a massive massive
population? >> It's just crazy. >> Okay. >> And like dude, soccer.
>> Soccer South America. Yes. Spectator 100%. Hund the Brits.
>> Hyundai is pretty huge. >> Yeah. Huge.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Agent Renzo, Japan loves baseball, dude. the way that Japan just
kind of was like, "Oh, this American thing, nope, it's a Japanese thing now.
By the way, the greatest player on the face of the earth is Japanese. He's an
absolute god at absolutely everything." Like, Japan just exploded into the
baseball scene. That's been that's been wild to watch over my lifetime.
>> I just like whenever I'm traveling, literally anywhere that I've gone, I've
never been to India, but anywhere that I've gone, you don't see it.
>> H interesting. >> That's what I mean.
Like if if like in Canada, you go basically anywhere and you're going to
see somebody wearing something to do with some sports team. In America, same
deal. >> Would you necessarily recognize their sports attire?
>> Not necessarily. But usually sports attire has kind of a vibe.
>> It does. >> Solid color, big logo,
>> but I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily >> There are definitely I I
guarantee you there are cricket teams. I would have no idea. Yeah.
>> Um, >> yeah. >> All right. Hit us, Dan. >> And sometimes some soccer jerseys just
look like an advertisement. >> This is true, but I can't tell.
>> Hey, DLL. Loving the cables. Do we have any news on DisplayPort or HDMI? Um,
the news is that we're working on development, but realistically, even if
we got our golden samples and signed off and said go, there's no production
capacity for them until we can somewhat catch up on USBC and USBA.
So, we're working on it. We're going to do it. They're not going to be the same.
So, they're going to be a little bit more rigid just because the conductors
are so thick. Um,
so they're they're going to have like a bit more like memory to them, but they're still going to have the same
outer sheath. So, they'll be super UV resistant and they'll have that kind of
that nice feel to them. Uh, and obviously the signal quality will be a
top priority. Uh, but they won't have quite the same flexibility. So, that's
something to watch out for. Hello, DLL. Steam frame hype. Oh, I
know. If it ever comes out, any opinion on the way Valve has handled the release
so far? Has Luke tried the controller? >> I have not.
>> Oh, yeah. You should You should borrow one just to try it out. It's It's
different. It's >> definitely better for people with big
hands than for people with my size mits. >> When I saw the imagery of it, I thought
that'd probably be true. >> She's a thick boy. >> The big pads, man. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Um, as for how Valve's handled the release
so far, I don't think Valve had a choice. Obviously, Valve would have
loved to have the Steam Controller and the Steam Machine and the Steam frame
come out at the same time. like no question. But
>> Rams already in the warehouse for the controller. He's got to start moving
them. >> Yeah. >> Um I I saw in your review the the thumb
collision thing. I suspect I'll have an issue with that.
>> Right. You don't love the symmetrical thumb sticks. Neither do I.
>> Really hate it. >> Neither do I. >> Really hate it.
Real bad, man. >> AF deal. It's great to watch live from
the UK. From your limited experience with it, would you say that the Steam
Machine will be worth the wait or bite the bullet and upgrade my i77700 K at
today's prices? There are some deals to be had on DRAM right now. I don't know
how long they're going to last. >> It's funny looking at them be like, "Oh,
it's whatever percentage off." It's like, yeah. >> Yeah. Don't ignore that. Just look at
the price. >> If you can snag a deal, I would snag the
deal you can snag and I wouldn't wait much longer. i77700 K is old enough that
um there are modern games that are going to benefit from a from a big upgrade for
you. I would go for it.
I Linus and team, are you still running an LG TV OLED as your work monitor? Any
annoyances you've come across and how did you fix them?
>> Um I am not anymore. The biggest annoyance
has got to be the auto brightness control as you go from from windowed
applications to full screen applications. There's not a ton that can
really be done about that. The monitor that I'm using for work right now is the
one that uh we did a sponsored LT for.
This thing is absolutely knucking futs.
>> Wa. >> It's 52 in 6K. And the way Dell markets
it is as like a 4K
um what's the size of the 4K they they
compare it to? I I don't remember. But basically it's like
>> 6144x 2560 at 120 Hz. This thing is
wild. So it's like having a 4K display and then like two 1080s flanking it. Um
and it's 52 in across. It's curved. It's got a built-in Thunderbolt hub. So, I
just roll up with my laptop, plug in,
and all my peripherals are ready to rock. My webcam, my mic, everything's
good to go. It's IPS, so there's no tom
foolery around like auto brightness and dimming and anything like that. It's
like $4,000 Canadian, so it's like three grand us.
>> I was going to say, I think I'll keep my uh my three monitors. >> It's the nicest monitor that I use, but
could never recommend. You know what I'm saying? >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's fair
enough. And hopefully, you know, that we're you're seeing prices like
of standard class monitors, I don't 10
1080, 1440p monitors right now constantly coming down. Stuff like that
will come down eventually. >> And for the for the price, I would
solidly recommend the 42-in TV instead.
>> That's uh even with the distractions and
annoyances. I remember we did a video a while back on how you can get like a
service remote for the LG and you there's more stuff you can adjust. I
don't know that that's true of the newer ones, though. I think I was on like a C2 at the time. Yeah, I've got a C2 as my
main monitor. 52 in is nice and they're pretty damn cheap.
Uh, let's see what else is next. Hey, Luke, how are you liking Tarov 1.0?
>> Uh, I was having a pretty okay time with it. And then
>> you sound so enthusiastic. >> We And then we Linux challenged. I do
want to escape from Tarive. I want to like complete the game, which is
possible now. Uh, >> okay. Hit me up. Hit me up. I'll join. Yeah,
>> I'll I'll be your boat anchor. >> Come have fun. Um, we'll see how that
goes. Especially because like I was playing decently close to launch and
doing okay, but if I jumped in now, everyone's going to have like crazy
gear. So, it might make sense for me to wait for a wipe again and then try to
beat it then. But we'll see.
Hello, DLL from the Netherlands. Question one. My company is looking to
give non techy users uh to vibe code
in-house apps users think will help them
with their work. What's your thoughts? Um also when's the LTD Vibe Code video
coming? >> I talked about that earlier. >> Oh, you did? Okay. So, >> yeah, it's it's dead. It'll maybe be a
Floatplane exclusive with like sort of roughly cut together, but it's just it's
been so long since I did the challenge that it just doesn't seem that relevant
today. >> Um Uh, so I'm going to hear your
question and take it in a slightly different angle, but an interesting
application for vibe coding that I've thought of recently that I've kind of
pitched to somebody internally who was trying to vibe code their own thing, but
something that would be pretty sketchy to vibe code. Um, was how about you try
to vibe code it on your own and use that
as the request. >> Yeah.
>> So like >> make this but not crap. >> Yeah. basically because one of the most
difficult parts is actually getting out of someone's brain what they actually
want. And you'd think that wouldn't be that hard, but it's really, really
difficult sometimes. >> That was what I expected to be the conclusion of the vibe coding challenge.
>> Yeah. >> Was that the best use of it for someone like me was to make a proof of concept
that I could then hand to a developer and go, "This is what I need it to do. Now it does everything I need it to do.
Make it not suck." And I'm not gonna lie, if you handed your version to Dan
and he got to start with that instead of your notes, I bet you would have done a
better job. And your notes weren't even like that bad. Like compared to most
people pitching things, your notes were pretty good. Some people will give you
just nothing. And it's like >> I tried to put a lot of thought into
like I what I tried to do was I tried to provide Dan with the same prompting
>> Yeah. >> that I would give to an LLM. >> Yeah. cuz if you know if the LLM can't
do it then he can't do it for sure or like if he can't do it then the LLM
can't do it. That's that's what I was going for. So he would have to have all
the information. So I tried to I actually tried like tried to be extra
super serial like thorough. >> Yeah.
>> Um so like I I think that can be kind of
neat like let this person brainstorm with themselves effectively and come up
with like a Yeah. I mean, this thing doesn't necessarily work or maybe it's
like a just absolute nightmare for security reasons or whatever else, but
this is kind of what I want it to do. You can poke around and see the intention and then take that and
actually make a thing out of it. Sounds pretty cool. Um, a company really
encouraging their employees to do that. I mean, yeah, sounds like security
problems depending on what your company works on. Um,
I've also seen people do some really cool stuff with VIP coding. I I'm pretty
sure what's his name? Hank Green. Uh
Hank Green YouTube. Let's go to his channel.
He has a video, the Artemis photos you
didn't see yet. And then in here, he
vibecoded a website called Artemis timeline. And you can go through and see
the the photos that were taken and the
like time of day and which camera took it and what they were supposed to be
doing at the time >> and all that kind of stuff. And he put
this together with some vibe coding and it didn't perfectly work and he had to
step in and make some changes to it and
improve things and fix data and whatnot. but like he got part of the way there
with vibe coding. And if it if you're not Hank Green and you can't take it the
rest of the way there, um maybe within your company, you can hand it off to
somebody who can. >> Yeah, >> it's funny you bring up like creators
using vibe coding. I was at creator summit recently and I spoke to at least
one, I'll just put it that way creator
who uses vibe coding very regularly in their projects and just doesn't disclose
it. >> Yeah. because they just don't feel like dealing with the hate. Because at the
end of the day, all the viewers care about is like the end result of the
product. They're never going to audit the code. It doesn't matter because they're never going to ship it to anyone
and they just love it. >> I I know multiple creators personally
that that use it and don't disclose it. Um
but they're also not like shipping. >> Yeah.
>> These are tools for themselves. Yeah. Yeah. like and and Hank Green did, but
he disclosed it I think like multiple
times in one video. Like he wasn't uh >> That's a Hank Green thing to do.
>> Yeah, sure is. >> That's a cool site.
>> Oh, sorry. Sorry. Cool. >> What's up, boys? Luke, what specific
chair do you use at home when sitting at your computer and gaming?
>> Uh,
I had the name on my head earlier and I don't remember. Uh, let me see. One
second. >> I took that from you. >> I can I can find it pretty easily.
Computer. Oh my god. Chair.
The Marcus. The IKEA Marcus.
That's it. Nice. Solid. It's cheap. It's
not that good.
Nice. Hello, Legendary Lords of Devices.
This question mostly goes to Luke. Well, three in a row, but Lionus is free to
answer as well. I've heard you mention playing Ballers Gate 3 before. What's
your favorite class to play? >> Oh, dude, I don't think Lionus is going
to have one of these. I don't think you've played it. >> I always play Mage Chicks.
>> Okay. Mage, I think. >> World of Warcraft or Dragon uh Dragon
Age or like whatever. I'm just I'm just I go straight for the mage chick. I
personally think those are cooler in Divinity because the the interaction of
all the spells with each other and being able to do that kind of stuff. >> Um, fighter
>> classic are just so sick in Boulders Gate. They're crazy, dude. They're nuts.
Attacking like six times in one turn is just crazy.
>> Jumping all over the place. >> Yeah, they're just they're nuts. I I
like one of the designers for Ballers's Gate must have looked at D and D and
been like, "Fighters are boring. What if we just gave them crack?
Just like what happened? >> Worked for the Germans
>> basically. >> Yeah. Um, so I don't know. Those are
fun. Um, I I like tons of stuff, though. I've played I've played a bunch of
different classes, but yeah, just just
send it just full sending Lazelle down fighter is is sick.
>> All right, DLL. If LDD could pivot to a
completely channel unrelated topic for one week, what would you cover? Also,
thanks for the new shipping perk. I upgraded to Floatplane plus because I
did the math and I would actually save money.
>> Uh yeah, if you order a fair bit from LT store, it's a it's kind of a no-brainer.
Um the Floatplane perk includes um
always free shipping. I have clarified with the team that is apparently
forever. So, free shipping over a threshold, but during shiptorm the
threshold's even lower.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um,
it would probably be Okay, this is going to sound crazy, but I think it would be
like going to garage sales. If it was just for a week, just like a throwaway
thing, I would I would probably I would I would probably like thrift or like go
to garage sales. I love hunting for deals. >> Garageyard Wars. And it'd be kind of fun
to like not have to bother with computer deals for a change.
I' like I think that would be a blast. Lionus and Luke just go to garage sales.
I would I would watch the crap out of that. >> I was thinking I don't feel like this is
I my personal vote, which I think everyone's going to get pissed about,
but my personal vote is that we maybe don't even do a Scrapard Awards this year.
>> Oh, we're not doing one this year. >> Yeah. Okay. Everything's just kind of a mess. But I was thinking next time we
bring it back, I think you and I should be teamed up.
I don't know. >> You just want a trophy. >> Maybe. I don't I don't know what the uh
>> I don't know what the challenge is. I don't know why it makes sense, but I
think it would be fun. >> Just going to be two adults beating up toddlers at that point.
>> No, we've done it before. >> Yeah, we we lost once when we were
teamed up, I think. Really? >> Nope. >> Did we not? >> We did and then figured out that they
cheated. >> Oh, that's right. I remember that. >> Yeah,
>> but they did they did super well. And I think they only really cheated cuz their
part like died which was >> unfortunate but we still win.
>> Hello Lionus Luke and Dan. What has been the biggest tech interruption caused by
pets? Once I had our dog rip a DSL cable
which took down internet and television for a few hours. >> When I was a kid we had a pet rabbit and
they chewed through all of the cables behind the TV.
>> Nice. >> And then my brother and I didn't think quite as highly of the rabbit.
Yeah, I can imagine you two not being into that. Uh, not a pet, but I had rats
uh destroy both our minivan and Ivon's
SUV recently, >> making nests in them and chewing through
wires. They both they both had to go in for work over the last like few months.
>> Yikes. >> Pretty not impressed by that. So, I have to like I have to like rodent proof my
garage now, which is just, you know, the kind of thing I love doing on a weekend.
I had that problem ages ago that in an effort to be green, they made the wires
out of cellulose. >> Let's just make
>> Wait, really? >> Yeah, it was some derivative or something. Let's just make all the wires
in the car out of rat food. Great choice. Okay. as much as uh as much as
it's like a champagne problem, um I was talking to my uncle about um sort of
green initiatives in manufacturing and how they sometimes have unintended
consequences. And uh he was saying that in some ways
an older airframe is actually more desirable than a newer one. And the
reason is that the EPA mandates the use
of more ecologically friendly primers on
the frames now that uh just crack and
fail after >> not that many years compared to the old
>> painting's like crazy expensive cuz I don't know it flies >> cuz and so the one from 1990 he was
telling me it's actually more economical
to carefully remove only the paint and
then just touch up the primer uh with the cuz you can't use the old stuff
anymore. So, you just like touch up the spots where you like accidentally went
through it um than it is to like strip it and reprime it because of how often
you'll have to completely strip it and reprime it now. And everyone knows this
and just keeps doing it. And it sort of raises the question, how much
eco-friendly paint do you need to use
before it would have been better to just paint it once with the note eco-friendly
paint? And I I don't know the answer to that question. >> I also wonder what about it is not
eco-friendly and and how not eco-friendly it is cuz it could be that
that original primer is just like really brutal. >> It could be as bad as painting it six
times, >> right? >> But unless we unless we know for sure
that math, which maybe someone has done, but I just >> hopefully
>> I just doubt it. Like how many times do they have to manufacture the cable
harness in mine and Dan's car before it would have been better to just use the
less eco-friendly cable harness? >> Yeah. What if it's rat food? >> You know what I mean? I mean, the
potential of the manufacturing of the product could also be super super
brutal. Like maybe not so much for for wire, you know, installation. But
eh, sometimes these have unintended consequences. Bro.
>> Mhm. >> A bro. >> What? >> I just got some good news.
>> What? I just got a tracking number.
Um. Uh oh. No. Or here. Here. I'll bring
I'll bring it up here. I'll bring it up here.
I told these guys at CES, I guess it
was. Did Did we even make a video?
Kataw, stop tracking people.
Uh uh
I don't think I made a video. Did I do a
short video? >> Bro, what are you talking about? You got to tell me what you're talking about.
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Do you remember Roar Systems? The guys who did that like
AirJet thing? >> Yeah. >> Okay. At CES,
>> they showed off something called liquid
jet. So traditional cold plates, right,
like water blocks are made by taking a plate of copper and then you either you
like mill a design in it. So you know like little pins or whatever. Uh or or
like a lot of modern ones use what's called skydived copper where you take a
blade and so you take that flat piece of copper and you like shave a sliver of
copper and then like fold it up and then make another fin videos of making heat
sink. Sky copper is so cool. Anyway, that's the traditional way. Your
geometries are pretty limited because it's subtractive or like like using the
malleability of the copper to reshape it.
>> Roar is using more like um more like uh
like like silicon manufacturing. So
they're using like metal deposition like you would like you would make
microchips. So by using copper deposition they can
make geometries that are like
like out of this world more thermally
efficient than even skydived copper. Um
>> this is not a good >> that's not what I'm getting. That's not what I'm getting. I'm getting just Oh no
no you can keep that up though. I'm getting just the like cooling engines at
the top right. I'm getting two. So, we're going to try putting one on a
gaming GPU. >> Cool. >> And just like >> seeing how fast she go. This this
stuff's so cool. So, I was I've been working on this since January. Um,
>> and I was like, yeah, I don't see the point of me making Yeah, I remember now.
I was like, I don't see the point of me making a video about like, here's a demo
on a GPU no one will ever own, but I'm really excited about this and I really
want to work with you guys, but I want one. And it's taken until now to kind of
give them all the reassurances that like, you know, we're not going to judge
them based on that the, you know, the the VRM are going to be hotter cuz it's
not a full coverage solution and just like, no, no, no, guys. It's Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. We're good. We're good. We're good. Um, I'm, Dude, I'm stoked. I'm so
stoked to check it out. >> Yeah. Nice. That's sweet.
>> Yeah. >> Howdy from Texas. Mechanical/manufacturing
engineer here. What manufacturing methods do y'all use in the production
of your products or any product in general that still fascinates you today?
>> Injection molding. >> I was going to say it's all kind of
fascinating. >> Casting. Um >> 3D metal printing.
>> Uh I mean lots of different things. Laser engraving.
Um I mean we have a lot of like small scale stuff in house but realistically
you know we're we're we're using industrial scale manufacturers for for a
lot of the stuff that makes it to LT store otherwise we wouldn't be able to produce in any meaningful volume. So, I
I I'm very fascinated by manufacturing technology, but unless you asked me a
specific product, then I I wouldn't really be able to I wouldn't really be
able to narrow it down too much, I'm afraid.
Sorry, Linus and Luke about to quit my
job to be an executive at a startup. Oh, huge step. small business focused on
home services. After seeing many businesses rise and fall, what are the
biggest indicators of success? Tips: culture. You have to have a culture
that's hungry and wants to win. Um, at times we've had a very hungry winning
oriented culture and at times we've had a very complacent
um, collect a paycheck culture and
>> and times we've had mixed >> and at times we've had a mix that has
been at various levels of health. Um,
and I would say that if there's anything that I could tell you to focus on, it's
have a culture that is laser focused on just winning and being hungry and and su
failure is not an option.
Hey, Litlap Dap, you mentioned a while
ago that you were going to hold a Smash tournament as a middle finger to
Nintendo's crazy guidelines. Any update to that for the future of Whailand?
>> We got yelled at. of the Elcoin by our own people.
>> Yeah, we basically
I'm not going to tell you my wife said no,
but my wife said no,
and she was right. She usually is.
Sometimes she's not hypothetically. I
I imagine sometimes she's not, but usually she usually she's right. Uh
sometimes she can be very very conservative
um in terms of like like CIA, you know, covering our butts. Um but that has, you
know, and and there are times when it's very annoying to navigate that, but then
we'll get audited and we like pass our audits and I'm like, right, good, good
job. you know,
do you have any recommendations on what I should use on my PX13 for the memory
modules? I plan on repasting my CPU to
get the get rid of the liquid metal before I kill my unit. I plan to use
BTM7950 for processing. Ooh. Uh,
it's less a matter of what you should use and it's more a matter of what
thickness you should use. Uh, you may want to try checking with ASUS. They may
be willing to tell you. If they're not willing to tell you, then man, your best
bet might be to just take it off and measure the thickness of those thermal
pads and then make sure that you're not putting in something that is thinner or thicker than what's already in there. Or
you could just keep using the thermal pads that are in there. I mean, realistically, are those going to be a
real problem for you? is your memory overheating.
There's no liquid metal on the memory. So, I if I if it was me, the convenient
way would be to just reuse my thermal pads there. That's going to be that's going to be my my low friction um
recommendation. What's your opinion on the online belief
that the Steam Machine will include a controller on launch? I'm interested,
but the price worries me. Also, what's the status on the physical Linus coin
shipping? uh status on the physical coins is they are in manufacturing and
if you check your order confirmation, it should tell you like when they're
expected to be uh being minted. Um as
for the Steam Machine including a controller, from my understanding, it should include a controller. That was
what Valve >> pretty sure told me when I went down there for the announcement or the
unveiling. Um, if if something changed
due to the way the market is right now, I I wouldn't actually like hold Valve to
the coals over it, like it's a tough situation that they're in. Um, but from
my understanding, that is the intent.
Hello from Toronto. I just finished Sea
of Stars and I'm looking for my next fix. Got any recommendations for more
retro vibe fun times? already finished Cross Code from your WAN Show
recommendation.
Um, is it retro or is it JRPG? Cuz you could
you recommend Expedition 33? >> Oh, Expedition 33 is so good.
>> Not not retrolooking, but JRPG.
>> Uh, >> not technically retro vibe fun time.
>> French RPG FRPG. >> Oh, they want a retro vibe fun time. Uh,
Chain Deckos. Chained Echoes is another one I played and really enjoyed. The
story gets a little sort of weird, but that's kind of typical of the genre um
toward the end.
Chain Deckos was my answer, Dan. Oh, there he goes. Sorry. And last one I got
for you today is, "Hey DL, is there any
plan to make a windbreaker coat? Love from Leel Province." Um,
I think so.
I actually don't know. I'm so sorry. You might have to message support and I
think I'm going to message support that
it's time for the end of the show. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time.
Different channel. You want to head over to the WAN Show channel. We're going to
we're going to have to transition over there pretty quick cuz this whole streaming on both is not working. We
might have to figure out the collab feature. I don't know. >> Apparently, that isn't a thing. Maybe.
You could collab the VOD.
>> Okay. >> I don't know. >> See you later.
>> Bye. >> I have to fly.
>> Yeah.
Whatever.