1
00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:06,080
maxed out max or max max with m1 max to

2
00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:10,559
the max the 14 inch max books pro represent

3
00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:15,599
double the GPU and media horsepower the m1 pro models but

4
00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,199
this raises a very interesting question

5
00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:21,680
how can apple fit that much more power on this same

6
00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:25,439
architecture no less into the same chassis

7
00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:29,679
for that matter is there any other advantage to getting out a macbook pro

8
00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:33,920
with an m1 max or is it only really useful for video editors thanks to its

9
00:00:31,439 --> 00:00:37,680
expanded media engine the answer may surprise you i know it surprised me

10
00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:41,520
but it's no surprise that today's sponsor is jackery thanks to jackery for

11
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:45,920
sponsoring this video their explorer 1500 power station provides a huge 1500

12
00:00:44,239 --> 00:00:50,640
watt hour capacity with up to seven devices charging simultaneously and it

13
00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:54,719
only takes four hours to recharge from zero to eighty percent get ten percent

14
00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:57,960
off with code Linus tech tips at the link below

15
00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:11,520
from the outside there's very little to distinguish the m1 pro from m1 max so we

16
00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:15,439
went with space gray for the max books and silver for the pro books to tell

17
00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:18,720
them apart jonathan horst over at Mac Address commented that he liked silver

18
00:01:17,119 --> 00:01:24,400
better than space gray this time around and honestly i kinda agree it's not that

19
00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:27,680
the space grey looks bad but there's too little contrast for me particularly

20
00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:30,720
considering the blacked out keyboard that apple chose for the new generation

21
00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,240
macbooks but this is a matter of taste and i'm sure

22
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,880
there are plenty of folks who'd like to see this thing totally stealth instead

23
00:01:36,479 --> 00:01:43,759
there is one major external difference between the m1 pro and m1 max though and

24
00:01:41,759 --> 00:01:48,240
that's in the display support where the m1 pro can handle up to two external pro

25
00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:52,720
display xdrs via Thunderbolt the m1 max can handle up to three while also using

26
00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:56,079
the HDMI 2.0 port for up to 4k 60 output that extra flexibility could lead to

27
00:01:54,399 --> 00:02:00,079
some impressive battle station setups for professional workloads you've got

28
00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:04,960
the integrated mini led display a span of three big displays worth of workspace

29
00:02:02,399 --> 00:02:08,640
and a large tv or color calibrated 4k display for output preview

30
00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:13,440
one question that's been asked a lot is whether the Thunderbolt ports could handle an HDMI 2.1 adapter and

31
00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:18,959
unfortunately hours didn't arrive in time for testing these laptops i'll test them all when we

32
00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:23,800
review the 16-inch model so make sure you get subscribed for that it's coming

33
00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,800
soon

34
00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:30,640
how about on the inside with these machines being otherwise so similar

35
00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,800
could apple also have given them the exact same cooling setup remember the m1

36
00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:38,720
pro caps out at 16 GPU cores while the m1 max can double that number

37
00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,319
and doubles the memory bandwidth which together are sure to increase the heat

38
00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:46,959
output let's pop the hood and compare the two oh hey apple color matched the screws

39
00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:51,840
how thoughtful and they're the same picture if i hadn't

40
00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,040
told you that the space gray was the m1 max you wouldn't have been able to tell

41
00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:58,959
the difference just by looking at them unless you looked really closely at that

42
00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:03,680
heat spreader it's just a little bit wider on the m1 max to cover that chip's

43
00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:09,040
larger footprint other than that same fans same heat pipe same everything

44
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:13,280
given how hot the m1 pro got this makes me worry that we'll see some significant

45
00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:16,720
throttling with the m1 max we'll button everything back up and give it a go this

46
00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:21,840
time with the zephyrus m16 repping the pc with its cry9 and rtx 3060 mobile

47
00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:30,640
first we'll see if anything changed for the CPU cores on the m1 max and

48
00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:35,519
predictably it absolutely did not none of the m1 max's CPU scores are

49
00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:38,879
appreciably different in cinebench r23 and this translates over to geekbench

50
00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,400
where we're effectively looking at run to run variants same deal with blender

51
00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:47,360
where we're stuck with CPU rendering until blender 3.1 releases with metal

52
00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:50,480
GPU rendering support sometime in 2022 you don't have to wait that long for our

53
00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:54,480
new shirt designs and a new water bottle from ltdstore.com though they're

54
00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:57,840
available right now you may be surprised by these results

55
00:03:56,159 --> 00:04:02,400
though given how much faster the system memory is i mean ryzen would sure love

56
00:04:00,239 --> 00:04:06,000
to have memory that fast but it seems apple's CPU cores just

57
00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:10,000
aren't taking full advantage of it and based on these results alone you might

58
00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:16,720
not be too impressed by the m1 max at all but the CPU is only half the picture no

59
00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:22,639
we don't have more CPU cores or even faster CPU cores but what we do get are

60
00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:26,479
more GPU cores and an expanded media engine with double the encoder blocks

61
00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:31,120
and double the prores blocks nowhere would this be more apparent than final

62
00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:35,360
cut pro for this test we set up a 5x5 grid of 4k plus prores raw files and set

63
00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,400
them to appear one by one in the timeline then we set final cut to stop when it

64
00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:45,840
detects a drop frame with the original m1 macbook pro stalled out at just four

65
00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:49,759
streams and the m1 pro dropped at seven the m1 maxes manage 10 and 12 suggesting

66
00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:54,000
that the cut down model either has a slightly less capable prores engine

67
00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:57,520
or the extra GPU cores on the high end model are picking up the slack whatever

68
00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:02,240
the case this is a truly ridiculous number of pixels being processed all at

69
00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:06,639
once with no stuttering whatsoever like four or seven simultaneous streams is

70
00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:11,520
already a lot but let's say you don't run final cut you're a resolve shop well

71
00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:16,000
good news for you too when rendering the prores 422 hq to take advantage of the

72
00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:20,800
pro res blocks the higher end model gets scary close to a sub 10 minute mark on a

73
00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:25,039
timeline that is stacked with denoising chroma keying and filtering

74
00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:29,199
not a bad result and our timeline's frame rate keeps up too where we

75
00:05:27,039 --> 00:05:33,520
observed as high as 16 FPS for the high end model scaled by about 2 FPS for each

76
00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:37,600
step down you take from there the zephyrus meanwhile can only roughly

77
00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:42,240
match the lower end m1 pro that's a great result but what if you need to

78
00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:45,440
render some 3d assets right now the best solution on mac is cinema 4d with the

79
00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,680
redshift renderer surprisingly the jump in performance

80
00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:53,120
from the m1 pro to the lower end m1 max is substantial likely thanks to the

81
00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,520
doubled memory bandwidth to go along with the extra GPU cores the higher end

82
00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:01,440
max gives us nearly a 10 minute render which seems impressive up until the

83
00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:06,319
zephyrus comes along and smacks it down with a 539

84
00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:08,160
of course that is a 16 inch pc laptop

85
00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:13,120
but um spoiler for the 16 inch review

86
00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:18,000
the 16 m1 max doesn't do that much better we were told that the m1 max

87
00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:24,479
could outperform the rtx 3060 or even match the rtx 3080 and apple calls out

88
00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:28,160
redshift on their product page so m1

89
00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:32,960
gotta take the l on this one geekbench 2 shows the zephyrus and its rtx 3060

90
00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:38,080
absolutely pummeling the m1 max in both render modes which places the m1 max's

91
00:06:35,919 --> 00:06:41,280
GPU horsepower further behind than apple had led us to believe maybe there's more

92
00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:47,199
optimizations that still need to be done for non-video tasks on these GPU cores

93
00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:48,800
or maybe it's just the media engine was

94
00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:53,680
doing all the heavy lifting in our video editing tests to be clear it is scaling

95
00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:57,039
relative to the m1 and m1 pro but it's just not reaching those dedicated GPU

96
00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:01,199
levels of performance we kept hearing about hmm

97
00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:05,120
maybe they meant games yeah no again we're seeing mostly linear

98
00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:11,520
performance improvements across the lineup in shadow of the tomb raider where feral interactive's port makes use

99
00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:15,199
of apple's metal API but it's not enough to catch up to the zephyrus

100
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,960
at least not at 14 inches few other games use metal so it's all downhill

101
00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:23,919
from here when we switch over to cs go where there's no difference whatsoever between

102
00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:27,520
the m1 pro and max ironically this time not because it's using opengl but

103
00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:32,240
because we've hit a CPU bottleneck at 100fps thanks to rosetta since we're

104
00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:37,840
looking for more ways the m1 max can differentiate itself there's one final

105
00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:41,520
ray of hope the venerable dolphin emulator which is native apple silicon

106
00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:45,120
support via universal binary unfortunately

107
00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:48,800
dolphin doesn't yet support the metal API but in testing we did discover a

108
00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:53,680
number of interesting points to cover the first head scratcher is that the

109
00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:56,800
high level opengl renderer is more performant than the closer to metal

110
00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,639
vulcan API this may be because apple never embraced

111
00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:04,800
vulcan necessitating the use of a third-party library called molten vk if

112
00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:09,520
developers want to support it on macOS because apple deprecated opengl several

113
00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:13,520
macOS revisions ago the implementation while performant is missing some new

114
00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:18,720
features that makes dolphin think that the GPU might be underpowered

115
00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:22,479
second multi-sample anti-lacing that can be enabled in most games

116
00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:27,039
is a huge performance killer on apple silicon it easily takes rendering speed

117
00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:32,080
from an impressive double of native speed to just half third some titles

118
00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:36,399
like rogue squadron 3 depend so heavily on the CPU that they never run at full

119
00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:40,320
speed even at native resolution just like the original m1 this makes sense

120
00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:45,040
though because the main differentiator between the m1 m1 pro and m1 max's CPU

121
00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:49,040
cores is that there are more performance cores available and dolphin doesn't

122
00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:52,800
utilize more than a couple at a time we did get performance data however by

123
00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:56,160
firing up super mario sunshine at 8x native resolution and an uncapped frame

124
00:08:54,399 --> 00:09:01,360
rate to place the burden squarely on the GPU bearing in mind that the game is

125
00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:06,640
native to 30fps the starting area runs at about 67 FPS on the lower end m1 max

126
00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:11,120
and 77 on the high end that's a pretty good improvement from the m1 pro that

127
00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:16,399
topped out at 47 with the original m1 taking up the rear at the sub native 21

128
00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:20,640
except then we look at the zephyrus again and it's a slaughter

129
00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,399
that right there is over four times the native frame rate for this game and

130
00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:28,960
nearly double what the best m1 max can put out in a laptop that costs a little

131
00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:33,139
over half as much at retail

132
00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:41,279
so again we're seeing differences between the chips and the performance is

133
00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:45,600
objectively good but we're just not coming up to the performance claims apple made during

134
00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:50,000
their unleashed event no matter what we do we're legitimately not sure if this is

135
00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,760
an optimization problem or if apple over-promised with cherry-picked data

136
00:09:51,839 --> 00:09:57,600
because as we've seen it's quite difficult to find anything that runs

137
00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:01,279
metal on apple silicon to take full advantage of the m1 max

138
00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:05,920
now let's take a look at thermals for a test we could run in our m1 pro video we

139
00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:10,240
focus on the CPU so we'll be looking at the GPU this time around for the m1 max

140
00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:14,720
by running redshift the fact that it hovers around 90 degrees isn't too

141
00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:18,399
surprising but given how much surface area the GPU occupies the rest of the

142
00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:22,079
soc is also brought up to those temperatures which indicates that we're

143
00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:25,040
probably at the threshold of what the cooler can manage without maxing out the

144
00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:29,040
fans those only ever got to around 50 speed

145
00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:35,360
so there's definitely still some headroom if you want to max the fans out manually we'll be doing a more strenuous

146
00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:39,200
combined CPU plus GPU torture test when we test out the 16-inch form factor in

147
00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:43,839
our next review so stay tuned to find out by how much when we look at the

148
00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:47,519
flare it becomes clear that the m1 max is really pushing the upper limits of

149
00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:51,600
the 14-inch chassis cooling capacity easily hotter than even the CPU test we

150
00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:55,920
did on the m1 pro chips in our previous review we're seeing over 50 degrees in the

151
00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:59,440
hotspot and well above that exhausting out of the display the bottom is still

152
00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:05,440
within the realm of comfort and if it's sitting in your lap chances are the underside's hot spot won't be touching

153
00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:07,200
your skin so points to apple there now

154
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:11,519
let's talk battery last time we showed the m1 pro's

155
00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:14,959
endurance was nothing short of amazing while doing youtube video playback

156
00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,800
easily beating out contemporaries like the surface laptop studio with a literal

157
00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:22,399
all-day battery life result for the m1 max we matched all the

158
00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:26,880
screens at 4 ticks of brightness and let them go this time around both of the m1

159
00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:31,519
pro models lasted a little over 2 hours longer than both of the m1 max models so

160
00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,839
while battery life is still phenomenal at about 20 hours in this test you do

161
00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:39,600
give up a little bit of endurance for the extra horsepower even when you're

162
00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:45,040
not making use of it depending on your priorities though this could be a side

163
00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:47,360
grade a net benefit or a net loss a fun

164
00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:50,800
fact this test failed once and these endurance figures being what they are

165
00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:56,720
made that a huge pain overall for an extra 200 for the 24 core

166
00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,240
variant m1 max is not a bad upgrade

167
00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:02,240
it's just difficult to recommend in general unless you've got a need for

168
00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:06,399
more than 32 gigs of memory the extra GPU horsepower and memory bandwidth seem

169
00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:10,639
very situational particularly in light of the dearth of apple silicon native

170
00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:13,839
applications with metal support this may change moving forward but it's a

171
00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:17,120
teething pain that's going to hamper these higher end socs for the coming

172
00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:23,440
years rosetta can only do so much as we've

173
00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:25,040
seen as such m1 max only really shines

174
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:30,480
in high-end video editing as of right now for everything else we're looking at

175
00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:35,279
something much more akin to the rtx 3050 ti much less the rtx 3080 we were

176
00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:39,200
promised apple's leaning heavily on special purpose silicon here and while

177
00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:43,600
that's an approach that may work out for them they run a very real risk of having

178
00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:49,120
purpose-built hardware that becomes dead weight once consumers inevitably move on

179
00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:53,680
just like you should move on from untidy nether regions

180
00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:56,800
with manscaped manscapes provides an all-in-one

181
00:12:55,279 --> 00:13:00,399
grooming kit that has you covered from head to toe

182
00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:04,959
their performance package 4.0 features their awesome lawnmower 4.0 waterproof

183
00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:08,959
body trimmer their weed whacker ear and nose trimmer plus a whole lot of other

184
00:13:06,959 --> 00:13:13,440
goodies as well for a limited time you get all of this plus two free gifts the

185
00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:17,760
shed travel bag and the manscaped anti-chafing boxer briefs visit

186
00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:22,320
manscape.com tech or click the link below for 20 off and free shipping

187
00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,760
thanks for watching guys the 16 inch review is going to include both

188
00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:31,440
processors so go check out our review of the m1 pro macbooks for a little more on

189
00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,440
the whole platform before the finale