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Okay, welcome to the WAN Show, ladies

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and gentlemen, where we have one hour

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and 20 minutes late. I believe this may be maybe the latest that we have ever

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been. We are the whole duration of the show late. Yes, that is a thing that

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happened today. And um yep, to be

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perfectly honest with you guys, the stream is still not perfect.

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Um I cannot I I cannot run the intro

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video clip for some inexplicable reason.

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We should just carry one of the chairs and then you can like drop it partway

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through right when you get in frame and then like sit there and go like

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going. We could do it. Yeah, we could we

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could do that. It's okay. I'm just I'm not gonna Yeah, I'm not going to worry

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about it. Uh let's just let's just go ahead and get this show on the freaking

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road here. Let's get it Let's get it on

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the road cuz uh

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uh apparently there's a Oh, yeah. I know. I know why there's an echo. I know

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why there's an echo. Don't worry. Don't worry, you guys. We got this. Don't

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worry about it. Don't worry about it. Awesome. I still had the I just had the

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speakers on on my laptop because I didn't have my uh my headphones plugged

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in for a second here. We should be all good now. Let's go ahead and talk about

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what topics we're going to be hitting today. Topic number one is the NVIDIA

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GeForce GTX Titan X.

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Titan X again. Titan X 2. If you know we

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were to take the Final Fantasy approach to this, the the way they're going with

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it is they're calling it Titan X Pascal.

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Well, we'll we'll get into that a little bit more later. what we both think of that. Also, Facebook wants to use

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freaking lasers to deliver high-speed internet to remote areas. I approve of

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this simply because it involves freaking lasers, but we'll talk more about the

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rest of it later. Of course, NVIDIA also dropped a 1060 this week cuz

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uh apparently releasing gratudous amounts of graphics cards all at once is

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a good idea. Also, owner of Kickass Torrance was arrested and is about to be

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absolutely screwed. Yes. Yes, he is. All right, let's roll the

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intro. It doesn't work. No, it's so far off.

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And see, like you you start kind of going Mario and then you switch it.

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Ministry of Supply.

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I fix it.

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So, I'm having I'm having I'm running into a weird issue. I think it's a video

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codecreated thing where every time I try and play a a video file, our streaming

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software crashes. Maybe iFix it could release a i ifixit guide on how we can

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fix the stream. I would love it if

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iFixit had like like a tearown guide of

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xsplit. Yeah, like a tearown guide of just streaming in general because

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because we need all the other things figured out too at this point. tear down guide of audio solutions, streaming

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software, streaming software utilities,

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audio monitoring, all that kind of stuff. All the things the lower third

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works, pictures work, videos don't work. So, so there you go. That's where that's

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where we're at with that. Um, I feel like I was in the middle of an

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explanation of why we were so late last time. And I know that we're an hour and

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20 minutes late, but I'm going to explain it anyway because there is a

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valid reason. It was all because I was trying to fix it. So, first I took the

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Stream Computer and upgraded it from X79

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with a two generational top-of-the-line CPU to X99. I used the X99 Deluxe board,

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which like our experience with rock solid freaking awesome board. It's

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probably How many people get that? I I I hate

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you. How many people get that? Can we straw poll? I hate using Can you go

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ahead and straw poll? In fact, uh, hold on a second.

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I believe there actually is a Luke screen HDMI now. Oh, what? I was making

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upgrades, my main man. That sort of makes sense. I was I was making

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upgrades. I was doing things. I was trying to make the stream better. Is

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this set up? Am I going to ruin things by plugging this in? I don't know. Let's

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find out. So, anyway, X99 Deluxe motherboard. The

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most basic like low-speed DDR4 that I

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could possibly find. Yeah, that's good. That's a good thing. What just happened

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there? Uh screen turned off. It's like

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um X99 Deluxe. Uh what what else did I

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do? Right. Right. Changed out the CPU, RAM, motherboard, uh new SSD because get

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this, as soon as I changed the hardware, I've actually seen this once before, but

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when I changed out the hardware, every time I booted, every time I booted to

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the existing Windows install, no USB

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device could be detected. unplugging, replugging, going into the BIOS,

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changing EHCI, XHCI handoff, all that stuff. Nothing did anything. I even

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pulled it out of this machine, put it in a different machine. No USB devices. And

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because nothing has PS2 anymore, there's no way to even try to fix it. So, I may

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just keep that drive forever as like as like a trophy of the kind of

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that I have to go through sometimes. So, I had to reinstall the OS. I mean,

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meanwhile, it's like it's like 3:15 at this point. Like, I got lots of time.

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I'm feeling pretty good. Um, so I reinstall the OS. I get my new capture

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cards going and I'm still my my capture

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my my streaming software is still crashing. It's still crashing. So I'm

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changing out my XLR input to a different one and it's it's still crashing. And

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I'm like, what is going on? Turns out turns out video file, which is why I was

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late in the first place. And then we had issues with the audio quality on the

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stream, which is why we were yet another 20 minutes late. So, I'm very sorry

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about all that. Let's find out if it was all worthwhile by switching over to the

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Luke screen scene.

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There's There's nothing there.

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Wasn't set up at all. Okay, just hold on. Just hold on. Just hold on. Hold on.

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I was I didn't set it up. I didn't set it up. Okay, just just wait. Just wait.

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He named He named the scene and then was just like, "That's enough."

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Oh my. Uh, try unplugging and plugging it back

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in. Okay, let's see. Let's see. And also make sure your sound is off because

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otherwise they're going to get all your sound things. Have you tried turning it

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off and back on again?

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Oh god. Oh no.

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Oh no. Uh, well, you can very clearly see

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that uh the yes votes are at 13%. The no

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votes are at 52%. And the turnup votes are at 35%.

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Oh. Oh, hold on. There's a loose connection. It's a loose connection.

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Hold on. Hold on. I just got to tighten this up. Hold on. See, seem to Oh, it

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seemed to get better there. Oh. Oh. It's not better. Hold on. I I took it out. I

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took it out. Okay. Um,

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can they even still hear us? Oh, no. All

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right. So, uh, well, well, you guys get the point. And we're never sharing

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Luke's screen again. No, no, we will share Luke's screen again someday. I just I hadn't actually done that. Not

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this day. But it was not this day. One does not simply

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What are we going to do, my precious? Uh, we're going to talk about GTX 1060

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as if nothing happened. Like, yeah, let's do that. The stream is completely

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fine. All right, our original article here. Hold on. Hold on. I got my my my

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screen works. Our original article is ours Technica and not our own

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review. What the heck? Come on,

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bro. I made a video about this. Everyone's a critic, yo. Oh, man. Oh,

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wow. Colton was just I think he was taking out some angst cuz I was giving

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him I was giving him crap about something like last Friday and you know

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I apologized for it after because my management technique was less than

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stellar on that occasion. Okay. But I think he's I think he's going to be

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trying to get back at you know he can't really get back at me because I'm his

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boss. So he might just be taking it out on you for the next little bit. I'm

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technically also his boss. I'm kind of actually, you know, you couldn't fire

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him directly, but if you were like, "Yo, Lionus, let's have a heartto-heart. I

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think we really need to fire Colton. He's been stealing things. I brought him

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into this world. I can make him leave this world." Yeah. I think maybe indirectly, but Yeah. I I think I think

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I would have to take your word over his. Like, if you said Colton stole a bunch

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of stuff and Colton's like, "Yo, go to Luke's house. It's all there." Like set

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up around his computer. I'd be like,

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"You know what, Colton? It's probably you who put it there."

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So now Colton knows that there's just this thing. And now Luke knows that if

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he ever wants to steal stuff and blame it on, that's exactly how it's going to go

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down. And all I have to do is leave it very specifically around my computer and

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then I'll be like, "Look, this is exactly what we talked about would happen. It's exactly what you said would

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happen. This and and you can turn that. You're just so smart. You knew it would

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happen this way." And how can I not believe you when you're so astute as to

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observe my intelligence being what it is? Of course. Well, let's talk about

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GTX 1060. So, in a nutshell, the RS

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Technica headline kind of covers it, or the by line, I guess it's called. GTX

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1060 is faster than 980 for just a little bit more cash than the RX 480.

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What's missing from that summary is

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um how it compares in terms of speed to the RX 480, which is so you can't have a

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performance comparison to some thing that's not available anymore and then a

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price comparison to some other completely unrelated thing from a completely different company that um we

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don't we don't like performs. Give me a second really quick because something

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that's been kind of weird in a lot of reviews, including my own, I'm going to

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admit this right now because it's hard to quantify. Um, okay. I want to see if

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you can even buy any of them. GTX 1060s.

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Yes. So, there is one GTX 1060 currently

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available on Amazon, and I think it's a mislabeled product. Nope. Nope, that's a

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1060. There is one of them available from EVGA. So, we'll see how long that

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lasts. Um, and everything else that you look for when looking up 1060 is mostly

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1070s. And looking at the

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Amazon.com prices for these things in my

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video, I said that I didn't think they were going to be near the 249 USD price

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point because of what I saw with the 1070 and the 1080, right? and I was

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slammed by certain people because there was an official price list released that

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had them closer to the 249 price point. But what I said in the video was that I

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didn't think that the 1060 and the 480 should even necessarily be compared that

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closely because the 480 is 200 bucks and the 1060 is probably going to be around

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300. So looking at Amazon.com, not.ca,

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there is the EVGA GeForce 1060 currently

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sitting at $339 and there's only one of them. And

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this posting is from EVGA. Um, there is

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a Gigabyte GeForce 1060 G1 gaming

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edition for $346. Okay. There is Are you looking at CA

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or.com? Okay. So, US pricing. Zotac AMP

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edition. I sure wish we could share your 345. You could do this. It's really No,

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no, it's okay. Um, basically my point is

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the prices for all these things are just like whimsical imaginations of

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possibility. Like the what what is it?

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My my brother was trying to look at the 1080 stricks and right now in Canada

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it's like $1,300 or something really.

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It's just like holy crap. What the hell?

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Like these cards are in such low stock

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that I think what's happening is retailers are just like, "Well, we're

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sold out for forever, so we might as well just crank the price up." You know,

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it's interesting because that kind of thing didn't used to really happen. I

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mean, I worked at a retailer for a lot

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of wow, I don't know, 6 years or something like that. And so, I saw the

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behind the scenes of what actually goes

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on with a product launch like this. And you know the consumer you know loves to

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hate and say you guys are gouging you're doing this and you know the reality of

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it would be that the Canadian dollar had dropped 5% in the last four days or

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something like that and you know ultimately we were just losing money on

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everything that we had sold before we adjusted pricing because we would get

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paid in or sorry we would have to pay in US dollars but we would get paid by the

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customer in CAD. So you had to kind of guess because you're on net 30 anywhere

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from net 30 to net 60 terms. So in

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actual fact normally NCIX was pretty

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darn close to whatever the normal markup

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was supposed to be once converted from US to Canadian and then with you know a

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few percentage points on top so that you're actually making a little bit of

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money. And what I'll say about the board partners is that when it comes to the

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vanilla cards, they might opt not to

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make as many basic cards as they

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potentially could, right? EVGA could take every single GTX 1080 that comes

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into the door, every single GPU, and they could put it on their lowest cost

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card, and they could sell them all at the lower price. or they could, you

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know, at least supply some of those so that the people who want a deal on

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something that's not a super clock or a KO edition or an AACSX Plus or Kingpin

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or whatever else, so those guys can get a card if they're willing to wait a

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little bit. And then I would put as much of my stock as I can based on what'll

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hit those clock speeds into the ones that I can sell for a higher price. And

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that is the way that video card makers

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generally mark something up by having a

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different skew, not by just hiking up

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the price of a card. There have been exceptions to be very clear. 8800 GT

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went up from from the top like from the

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from the very beginning of the supply chain. To my knowledge, and I don't have

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any confirmation of this, so you guys don't quote me on it, but to my

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knowledge, NVIDIA jacked the price and the board partners jacked the price.

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Colton, can I borrow you for a minute? And retailers were somewhat

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opportunistic on that particular card as well. And the same thing may be happening. Do you mind grabbing my um

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power adapter? My laptop is going to die very, very soon. It's just in the main

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pocket there. Thank you. I didn't know where you were going with that. Also, um

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Yeah. I'd like to I'd like to give you an opportunity to uh here. Can you plug

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that into the back of the UPS first, though? I' I I feel like it's only fair

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to give you an opportunity to defend yourself because we talk a lot of smack.

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Okay. What do you What do you What am I defending myself on? We talk a lot a lot

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of smack. um in the event that that it

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was your word against Luke's, you know, and he was saying you stole a bunch of

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stuff from the office and and you and

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you pointed out to me that um actually all that stuff was on Luke's desk at

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home. Do you think I should believe you who

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I've only known for a little over a year? Definitely. Or should I believe or

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should I as a troll? Definitely believe me. But I know you wouldn't though.

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That's the thing. I would be so screwed.

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So, I just got to not piss you off to make you want to do that and we'll be

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good. Okay, thank you. That actually settled it. So, it turns out Luke is in

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fact Colton's boss by

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indirectly because we all acknowledge that Colton has to suck up to him in

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order to save himself. Okay. Thank you, Colton. You're wonderful. We appreciate

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you very much. Just Yeah, it closes the door. Okay. So, I did some more

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investigating. Okay. I went on neweag.com. Not only if you look for GTX

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1060 is literally everything on the

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first page and I think there's Yep, there's only one page. Every single item

00:16:43.920 --> 00:16:49.600
is listed as out of stock, but a lot of

00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:54.120
the prices are actually pretty normal, but they're all out of stock. You can't

00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:58.880
buy any of them. If you go to RX480, same thing. Or they're like

00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:02.720
computers and stuff or completely unrelated products, which is weird.

00:17:00.880 --> 00:17:09.760
Maybe you should work on your algorithm. New egg. When I literally type in RX480,

00:17:05.679 --> 00:17:12.319
I'm not talking about a uh Mazda RX8 air

00:17:09.760 --> 00:17:18.480
conditioning AC cooling parallel flow condenser assembly. That's not what I'm

00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:22.559
looking for. Anyways, uh one of them has

00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:24.520
stock of two items and it's let me find

00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:29.799
it again. Give me one second. Where'd it

00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:39.360
go? There. It's $49 for a $200 graphics card.

00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:39.360
What? I am so like

00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:44.160
how I am trying to get us uh I'm trying

00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:48.280
to get us an input so you can screen share because I'm personally really

00:17:45.679 --> 00:17:53.840
appreciating this like real time shopping study. But I'm I'm even like

00:17:51.360 --> 00:17:58.559
mostly done. But my my problem is how am I even really supposed to compare these

00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:03.679
cards? Because at this point, one of the manufacturers could be like, "It's 50

00:18:00.919 --> 00:18:07.760
bucks there. Do your price comparisons. We win." Then you go to the store and

00:18:05.280 --> 00:18:15.600
it's like, "Nope, it's $400." I hope they can hear us. What? Oh, okay. Okay.

00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:17.600
Hold on. Hold on. I got an idea. No,

00:18:15.600 --> 00:18:24.000
that's not the right idea. Can they hear us? I don't know. I don't know. I don't

00:18:21.120 --> 00:18:31.200
know. No video. I don't know. Everything is scary right now. Everything is scary.

00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:32.880
Video output. Um Um Um I don't I don't

00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:37.520
know. We can hear. We can They can hear. They can hear. I don't know what I'm looking at. I don't know if I plugged it

00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:43.880
into the right thing. Go on. Scream along with Lionus even though we can't

00:18:39.360 --> 00:18:43.880
hear you. Just do it at home. Just

00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:51.919
shut up. Why are you being mean to me?

00:18:49.360 --> 00:18:57.840
No, it was Colton. Oh, Colton. I wasn't being mean to you. Oh, you're right.

00:18:55.120 --> 00:19:01.679
I don't know why I didn't realize it was So, you're just so smart. That's why you

00:18:59.760 --> 00:19:06.400
ended up figuring it out, though. Not everything has to come to you immediately cuz you're you're just

00:19:03.760 --> 00:19:10.559
dealing with so many things at once. Um, so I'm on a completely different level.

00:19:08.320 --> 00:19:14.559
Yeah. Oh, can you plug that in? That might have something to do with it. Uh,

00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:18.480
the HDMI cable for your laptop. Really? Yeah. I'm trying to That might be That

00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:22.480
might be part of the reason why loop screen capture is not um is I didn't

00:19:21.280 --> 00:19:26.960
even know we were trying to do loop screen capture. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to I'm trying to get I'm trying to get

00:19:25.280 --> 00:19:30.000
you uh I'm trying to get you back up and running here. Okay. So, my computer has

00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:35.520
done the freakout thing, so we're ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:37.720
Everything's on duplicate. Yeah. Okay.

00:19:35.520 --> 00:19:47.840
Yeah. No. Okay. Yeah. No. Okay.

00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:49.679
Yeah. Yeah. No. Okay. Yeah. No. Okay.

00:19:47.840 --> 00:19:52.880
This sounds like a phone conversation with like that guy that just really

00:19:51.440 --> 00:20:01.120
doesn't care about what's going on on the other end.

00:19:54.919 --> 00:20:02.480
Yeah. No. Okay, let's be back now. Oh,

00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:07.600
see, I think I was plugging to the right thing in the first place, but Oh, dear.

00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:12.640
I I think like like I'm I'm done. I think I said everything that Okay. Yeah.

00:20:11.120 --> 00:20:18.160
No. Okay. Well, why don't you talk Why don't

00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:20.000
you talk 1060 now? I was talking 1060

00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:23.919
the whole time. Oh, okay. You're done. Anyways, it's it's I'll I'll give a

00:20:22.080 --> 00:20:27.440
brief overview of what I said. It's very difficult. Well, did you talk like specs

00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:30.480
at all or do we care? I was going to finish that part of the conversation

00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:35.600
before time. Okay. Can I jump in with something that I had wanted to add? So,

00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:41.280
it with respect to the the pricing conversation. So, Sapphire actually sent

00:20:37.679 --> 00:20:43.440
me uh ND Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay. The NDA

00:20:41.280 --> 00:20:48.480
lifted like uh 6 hours ago. Perfect. Sweet. So, they have a Nitro Plus RX480

00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:52.480
because we wanted to talk about like how the pricing of these cards might kind of

00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:57.520
creep together depending on if you compare a low-end or creep apart or

00:20:55.520 --> 00:21:02.400
creep apart or whatever based on like crazy pricing in different areas. But my

00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:06.080
point was that usually in the US you have the most stable pricing structure

00:21:04.320 --> 00:21:10.559
because that's where they're making their initial pricing, but it's just

00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:13.799
complete lunacy in the US, meaning it's even more crazy. So tell me this. The 4

00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:19.200
gig RX480, you know, whatever. Nitro X is

00:21:17.679 --> 00:21:25.559
$220. Okay. MSRP. Yeah. The 8 gig is $270.

00:21:23.679 --> 00:21:32.520
What would you buy? Do you find the cheapest 1060 you can find or do you buy

00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:32.520
a high-end RX 480?

00:21:33.080 --> 00:21:39.200
Uh, from my experience so far, it it

00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:42.480
depend. Can you actually get them at that price?

00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:46.159
Because that was what I was just talking about is not only is everything sold out

00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:53.200
in general, so you can't even buy it if you wanted to, but the prices of them is

00:21:50.080 --> 00:21:54.480
crazy as well, right? So like the

00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:59.440
pricing that they're sending in the email, is that actually real? Because

00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:06.559
right now on Newegg, the only available 480 is over $400,

00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:09.200
right? So it's it's four uh where is it?

00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:12.520
Give me one second. I keep on losing it. Out of stock. Out of stock. Out of

00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:18.720
stock. Out of stock. Out of stock. Out of stock. $49 is the only one

00:22:17.120 --> 00:22:23.840
that's currently not out of stock. It's a Vision Tech card. Okay. There are

00:22:22.320 --> 00:22:27.039
additional pages. I haven't looked into the additional pages, but I did one

00:22:25.360 --> 00:22:32.559
entire page of products. Decided that was probably enough. All right. So, um I

00:22:30.159 --> 00:22:37.000
guess so, so basically our our usual guidance remains true. event, we

00:22:35.679 --> 00:22:42.799
generally recommend sticking with

00:22:40.080 --> 00:22:48.640
uh the the higherend card versus buying a high-end of a lower-end GPU. Yeah.

00:22:45.360 --> 00:22:51.559
Okay, fine. But like if you can even get

00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:58.159
it. Let's talk high-end cards. NVIDIA announces the new GTX Titan X, which

00:22:55.600 --> 00:23:01.760
they're calling NVIDIA Titan X. Now, I could probably go off Oh, I was going to

00:23:00.080 --> 00:23:07.440
have you leave that plugged in so that I can still try things. Um, I could

00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:12.960
probably go off on a rant for a good solid 10 minutes, however long you want,

00:23:09.679 --> 00:23:14.799
about naming things the same thing that

00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:19.760
they were already named when they are a completely different product or saying

00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:21.840
new. Yes. Or whatever, like the new, you

00:23:19.760 --> 00:23:25.480
know, it's it's like it's like everyone took everything that was wrong with

00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:33.559
shampoo marketing and you know, now with 33%

00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:36.000
more 33% more than what? 33% more of

00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:39.280
what? What am I comparing this to? Is it a product from last month? Is it a

00:23:37.520 --> 00:23:44.240
product from four years ago? What is their 30 one? How do I understand this?

00:23:42.159 --> 00:23:47.280
One thing that I do understand in terms of that naming, the only time that I

00:23:45.600 --> 00:23:53.280
think it actually made sense was Battlefield 1.

00:23:50.080 --> 00:23:56.240
Really? Because they went back.

00:23:53.280 --> 00:24:02.000
Okay. So, that sort of made sense. I'm still not a huge fan of it, but this is

00:23:59.520 --> 00:24:06.799
different. This isn't a reboot. This is a sequel. No, I'm not saying it's okay

00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:09.760
here. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. No. No. We're agreeing that it's not okay

00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:15.200
here because there's a lot of things that are confusing about this. It's

00:24:11.600 --> 00:24:17.760
confusing for retailers because SEO is

00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:22.640
hard enough when you don't have to. Basically, the only way that I can think

00:24:19.600 --> 00:24:25.120
of to fix your SEO from old generation

00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:32.240
Titan X versus new generation Titanex is manually. Like you will basically have

00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:34.880
to go into your backend and go okay if

00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:40.799
Titan X created before you know what they should do then do not return result

00:24:37.520 --> 00:24:45.600
before created after X like that's they

00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:47.159
should uh replace their product pages.

00:24:45.600 --> 00:24:51.600
The problem is that the pricing is different. A uh the other problem is

00:24:50.080 --> 00:24:55.600
that you might be looking it up for a warranty return. the other no they

00:24:54.080 --> 00:25:00.720
should replace their product pages and then remake but with the old cards so

00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:04.320
you can still find it but the SEO linking through Google and everything is

00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:08.400
still really popular. That's actually a smart way to take advantage of this. I

00:25:05.679 --> 00:25:10.559
guarantee no one will do it but and because you should still have your

00:25:09.520 --> 00:25:15.200
product page with the old card for warranty reasons and everything that you said. Like NCX for example, I know for a

00:25:13.679 --> 00:25:19.360
fact there's no mechanism for them to do that. Like that is not a thing. That

00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:24.720
won't be a thing that they'll be able to do. Um so okay, so it's cruise over the

00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:29.679
retailer. Okay. It screws over the reviewer because it makes it so that

00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:33.760
instead of me just saying Titan P or Titan XP or PX or if we had called it

00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:40.159
something that had made an ounce of sense, I have to say Titan X 2016

00:25:37.679 --> 00:25:44.240
edition. Like I have to clarify. If you gave us Titan XP, there could have been

00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:47.919
all the like little smiley face jokes and stuff and that could have been pretty cool by the way. And that would

00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:53.440
have been that would have been way better. Yeah. Anyway, okay. We should just call it the Titan XP from now on.

00:25:51.360 --> 00:25:56.400
I'm down. I'm I'm down to do it. I will literally call it that throughout the

00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:59.840
entire review. I will do that, too. Cool. We are calling it the Titan XP

00:25:58.320 --> 00:26:03.679
from now on. You heard it here first. It is the Titan XP. It is the Titan XP.

00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:09.840
Okay. The third person that this screws over and the one that gets screwed over

00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:13.039
the most is the consumer.

00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:15.279
You are basically making it impossible

00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:20.000
for the consumer to understand from reading reviews, googling reviews,

00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:24.799
comparing pricing what exactly it is they're buying unless they are an

00:26:22.360 --> 00:26:28.400
extraordinarily savvy consumer who really keeps up with the industry by

00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:33.520
watching fantastic programming like the WAN Show on a weekly basis. That is the

00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:38.400
only way that you will know that one Titan X is different from another more

00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:42.799
different Titan X. Oh, someone in the chat even just said win XP with the

00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:46.799
Titan XP, right? Like, holy crap, those marketing

00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:51.120
campaigns write themselves. Why did you do this? You had such an opportunity. I

00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:56.960
know. We used all the XP that we had building amazing GPUs and we turned out

00:26:53.919 --> 00:26:58.640
this beast. I NVIDIA leveled up. It's

00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:03.520
endless. There's so many. Level up your game. Oh, it's perfect. It's amazing.

00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:07.440
They need to rename this card. They do. They have to rename this card like right

00:27:05.120 --> 00:27:12.480
now. They need to Okay, here's what they need to do. Okay, NVIDIA, if you guys

00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:14.400
are watching, you take the Titan X 2016

00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:18.720
editions that you have now, and you turn them into kind of like like a coin with

00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:22.480
two-tail sides. Like anyone who bought one or got a giveaway like right at the

00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:25.520
beginning. Wow. Okay, they have like this weird It's almost like a misprint.

00:27:24.159 --> 00:27:30.159
Okay, so they have like this weird one that like had the wrong name on it. You

00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:33.120
just change all the shrouds to Titan XP moving forward. Okay, you got to retool

00:27:31.679 --> 00:27:37.520
it. I'm sorry that costs a little bit of money. You're NVIDIA. can afford it and

00:27:35.679 --> 00:27:40.960
the Titan XP is the actual name of the product and everyone's like talking

00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:44.480
about it. It would be awesome. You should do it. That that would be you

00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:48.000
won't but you should because it would be better for absolutely everyone because

00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:53.399
this is really confusing for consumers and it's totally unfair. It's already

00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:58.240
confusing enough when video card manufacturers take two of the same

00:27:55.919 --> 00:28:03.760
product and call it something different. Rebadging is terrible and confusing for

00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:06.960
consumers. Now you're taking it a step further and now you might have two

00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:12.880
different products that are called the same thing. You're basically just saying, "I

00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:17.039
don't really want anyone to understand what it is. I want people to just walk

00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:20.399
into a store and have a saleserson sell them the most expensive thing that they

00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:24.320
can." That's the message that I'm getting from this and I don't like it.

00:28:22.159 --> 00:28:29.159
And speaking of the most expensive thing that they can, the Titan XP is going to

00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:34.399
cost $1,200 when it's available August 2nd

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:41.520
directly from NVIDIA. And my bridging point, Wow. back from uh the 1060 stuff

00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:46.080
is you're Okay. You're buying Titan X's August 2nd from NVIDIA. Sure. Down the

00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:50.799
line when they stop doing that. You mean XPs? Oh, yeah. Sorry. XPS. Um I screwed

00:28:49.120 --> 00:28:56.480
up. I called a last generation card. My bad. Um, I'm still I'm still in last

00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:57.640
year. Uh, what happens later on? Are

00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:02.480
they going to be $1,600? You already price hiked by 200.

00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:05.440
In the 1060 review at the very beginning, I have a chart showing how

00:29:03.840 --> 00:29:10.480
every one of their new GPUs has been price hiked by a hundred bucks. This is

00:29:07.840 --> 00:29:16.799
by 200 bucks. Now, this is something that you may not have been paying

00:29:12.159 --> 00:29:20.480
attention for long enough to know, but

00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.720
NVIDIA actually has not I would say

00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:27.279
NVIDIA and AATI/AMD, because that's how far back

00:29:23.520 --> 00:29:29.559
this goes, have not actually been that

00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:35.279
unreasonable about the way that they have done the pricing of their extreme

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:40.000
top tier hardware. And I will I will explain I will explain why I'm saying

00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:42.760
that. I like that EVGA logo because uh Oh yeah, that's really old. That's back

00:29:41.840 --> 00:29:47.640
when they were EVGA.com and it was always eva.com. They

00:29:46.399 --> 00:29:55.760
actually that was like part of the branding. Um so let me see if I can find

00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:58.399
So the the 6800 Ultra Extreme was

00:29:55.760 --> 00:30:02.640
basically vaporware. Um and if you're going to build a card that you're

00:29:59.520 --> 00:30:05.240
basically saying um let me see if I can

00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:08.480
find a reference to pricing here with benchmark. If you're building

00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:15.679
a card that you're basically saying, yeah, it's going to be available from our site.

00:30:12.600 --> 00:30:17.440
Um, only then something something

00:30:15.679 --> 00:30:22.240
something. Yeah, you're basically saying like it's it's pretty much a Vaporware

00:30:19.399 --> 00:30:27.360
card. Uh, let me find it. You can expect to pay upwards of $600 for a card of

00:30:25.520 --> 00:30:32.320
this caliber and we were unable to locate a retailer that had them in stock

00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:36.720
at the moment. Oh, 6800 Ultra Extremes

00:30:32.320 --> 00:30:40.720
went for kind of getting somewhat close

00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:43.840
to the like, you know, $800, $900 range.

00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:46.720
And the 8800 Ultra was actually a pretty

00:30:43.840 --> 00:30:52.039
similar story. Ultra price at launch. Let me just see if I can find it. Uh,

00:30:49.200 --> 00:31:00.279
okay. So, the 8800 Ultra was priced at $830 and that was released back in 2007.

00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:02.720
So, let's use an inflation calculator.

00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:06.640
Okay. Inflation calculator. I'm going to use the Bank of Canada one if that's

00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:09.960
okay with everyone. How do you use here? So, I'm gonna We'll go ahead. We'll do

00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:15.679
this live. So, in 2007, something that cost uh what was

00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:18.200
it? 839. 839. Well, I can type a thing.

00:31:15.679 --> 00:31:22.480
Tap 839 would cost

00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:28.080
calculate. Okay. So, they weren't being unreasonable before. Back when I did the

00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:29.919
math based on that Titan X is $1,000.

00:31:28.080 --> 00:31:34.960
Yeah. Because Well, I mean, I'm not saying that an $839 card in 2007 wasn't

00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:38.960
unreasonable. It was. I'm just saying that um Okay. I don't We're actually

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:44.799
tracking. Okay. But they've jumped ahead by $200 this time. So, you're right. And

00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:46.960
I was right um like two days ago. Okay.

00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:53.279
Yeah. How about that? We're both right. Okay. Sure. Sure. I think the problem

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:57.200
that people have is jumping by $100 on

00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:59.760
XX60 and XX70 and XX80 and jumping by

00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:04.640
$200 on Titan doesn't feel like an inflation adjustment. If they adjusted

00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.840
by little bits every time, it would feel more like inflation adjustments. Now, I

00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:11.679
understand that you don't want really weird pricing numbers on your products,

00:32:09.760 --> 00:32:17.559
but that's what people are feeling when you do that. They're feeling that one

00:32:13.840 --> 00:32:20.480
chunk jump and it doesn't feel great.

00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:25.200
Feels bad, man. So, you can actually see here that that probably the last time

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:29.760
they did this then was with the 8800 Ultra because here's our six I remember

00:32:27.120 --> 00:32:33.840
these costing more though. Um 6800 Ultra Extremes, they're stupid. You basically

00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.960
couldn't buy them. Um but they they did a fairly significant jump there and it

00:32:35.600 --> 00:32:42.799
looks like they've taken another leap forward in terms of the rel the value of

00:32:39.919 --> 00:32:48.799
a GPU like a an ultimate gaming experience relative to eggs and milk. Uh

00:32:45.679 --> 00:32:50.399
once again, and I think ultimately the

00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:54.240
person that we have to blame for this, or not person, but the entity that we

00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:57.519
have to blame for this is AMD. You know, I'm not going to like crap on AMD

00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:00.720
because they're having a hard enough time as it is with the things that are

00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:08.880
difficult for them, which is apparently everything. Um but if AMD was keeping

00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:11.760
NVIDIA in check, then at the high end.

00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:17.840
Okay. So, you know, to be clear, 480 looks like a very successful product and

00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.679
AMD did a really I think it was a smart

00:33:17.840 --> 00:33:22.480
move coming in and saying, "Okay, look, we're not going to go toe-to-toe with

00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:27.360
NVIDIA this time." Yep. I said that straight up in the review. We're going to hit we're going to we're going to

00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:32.240
come from the bottom while NVIDIA can spend all that money that's associated

00:33:29.600 --> 00:33:37.039
with building the biggest GPU ever, which they did. Yeah. and they can

00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:40.120
trickle that technology down and we're just going to build what we think is the

00:33:38.399 --> 00:33:46.000
right thing at the right price from the outset. Fair strategy. I have a video

00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:48.000
coming just so people know. Um I'm not

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:53.519
going to go like too into it because I want you to watch the video, but I have

00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:55.760
a video coming on uh the 480 and VR and

00:33:53.519 --> 00:34:00.320
like how well positioned that card actually is in terms of performance even

00:33:58.320 --> 00:34:04.320
more than price. how you can just get this card and be fine for like what

00:34:02.399 --> 00:34:07.679
almost anyone is really gonna want. Yeah. And then there will be percentages

00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:13.919
of people that want more than that. But it's like it is a problem solver which

00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:16.320
is exactly what they needed. So I just I

00:34:13.919 --> 00:34:22.879
mean I still I would have personally preferred to see AMD have a you know

00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:26.800
Fury XP or whatever would go headto-head

00:34:22.879 --> 00:34:28.159
with a Titan XP. Um because that is the

00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:33.639
kind of thing that keeps pressure on NVIDIA not to do this kind of thing and

00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:40.320
they just didn't Yeah. They just they just

00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:42.079
didn't they didn't do it. Yeah. I mean

00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:47.200
there's there's still time for Polaris to to go headtohead with with Pascal and

00:34:45.359 --> 00:34:51.720
so I'm I'm looking forward to that because that should at least force

00:34:48.720 --> 00:34:54.399
NVIDIA to react and

00:34:51.720 --> 00:34:57.760
uh yeah I I don't know. I guess I'm I'm kind of out of stuff to say about this.

00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:04.720
Okay, there's a new Titan X, 11 teraflops, um 12 billion transistors, 30

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.680
3584 CUDA cores, up to 60% faster than

00:35:04.720 --> 00:35:14.880
previous Titan X. Cool. Um people are a little upset that it's uh GDDR5X

00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:16.480
instead of uh HBM2. Yep. I'm a little

00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:20.400
upset, but I totally get why they're doing it. They're just kind of going it

00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:24.800
doesn't matter. And they're right. It doesn't matter. Um, so screw it. We're

00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:29.280
going to make a little bit more margin. Wait for HBM2 to mature a little bit.

00:35:27.040 --> 00:35:34.480
Um, right now it's can just be a low volume part and we'll just keep that in

00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:37.760
our in our um scientific computing

00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:40.160
cards. Keep that in the Teslas. Fine.

00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:43.599
So, I get it. I mean, memory overclocking hasn't done anything on a

00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:48.480
video card in a very, very, very long time. And I'm sure that NVIDIA has done

00:35:46.160 --> 00:35:52.160
all the research that is required to decide if it's worth it or not. because

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:56.400
apparently the GPU itself does support HBM2. So they just decided to pair it

00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:00.320
with GDDR5X. One thing that I'm frustrated about frustrated with which

00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:07.960
almost no one is going to be able to sympathize sympathize with me for is

00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:10.720
it's being sold on August the

00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:15.920
2nd. We heard about it the same day you guys did. I don't have one. I don't How

00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:21.119
am I feels bad, man supposed to review this before the release date? We should,

00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:25.280
we've been talking about this. So, we've actually been talking about doing this

00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:29.839
before. We should review the card before we have the card.

00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:33.520
Yeah, because there have been cards where Luke and I have sat down and gone,

00:36:31.520 --> 00:36:36.240
"Okay, uh, card's coming. We haven't been briefed on it. We don't have a

00:36:34.720 --> 00:36:41.119
deck. We don't have any specs. We have no driver. We have no card. We have nothing." And we basically go, "Okay,

00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:45.200
it's going to be like this, and it's going to be like that, and it's going to

00:36:43.359 --> 00:36:48.960
be kind of like this, and here's the conclusion." And we should just release

00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:53.040
our full review of it. So, we should not sign an NDA. We should not accept a

00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:57.359
review unit. And we should release a review the day before. Oh my god.

00:36:55.359 --> 00:37:05.359
Without a card. That could be fun. It would be easier with a xx number card.

00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:08.400
Yeah. Than a Titan. Yeah. A Titan would be a little difficult. Like it's easier

00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:13.040
when they're taking an existing lineup and they're kind of slotting something in. Yeah. Yeah. Like Okay. It would be

00:37:11.839 --> 00:37:19.359
pretty easy for us to do that with like a 1080 Ti. Yes. 1080 would be pretty

00:37:16.560 --> 00:37:25.040
easy. Uh the 1080 would have been pretty easy. Y the except for in VR. The 1070

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:29.359
would have been pretty easy and the 1060 like I knew it before it even happened.

00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:34.320
AMD cards are usually particularly easy, especially when they're the same card

00:37:30.560 --> 00:37:36.480
that we reviewed a year ago. Um boom.

00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:39.920
480 would have not they would have not been able to do it. No idea what was

00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:44.320
coming. I got to give them props. They kept that secret. They did. I I did not

00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:50.560
know what was coming. Um, but yeah, like I unless one shows up

00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:54.000
on like Monday. Oh, I got so sorry. Someone asked a

00:37:52.240 --> 00:38:00.240
question. No, I did not ditch my blade. Um, I'm working on a review of Gigabytes

00:37:56.720 --> 00:38:02.079
uh Arrow 14, which is kind of like what

00:38:00.240 --> 00:38:04.640
I would call Okay, don't take this the wrong way because it's still a very

00:38:03.359 --> 00:38:08.880
expensive computer, but I'm going to call it a poor man's blade. So, it's But

00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:12.560
that that that's considering that the blade is like the dude that owns a

00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:16.240
yacht. So, it's not really the poor man's blade. It's a relatively speaking

00:38:14.560 --> 00:38:20.880
poor man's blade relative to the dude that owns a yacht. Yes. Which is like

00:38:18.240 --> 00:38:23.440
everyone. Yes. Okay. So, uh there's a lot of things I like about it. There's a

00:38:22.160 --> 00:38:30.079
lot of things I don't like as much about it, but um yeah. Okay. Let's move on to

00:38:28.640 --> 00:38:37.520
uh actually we should probably do our sponsor spots. I can't believe we just spent like half the show on the first

00:38:33.520 --> 00:38:39.839
two topics. So, first up is I fix it.

00:38:37.520 --> 00:38:44.079
iFixit recently got mad at me and I guess during their sponsor spot is the

00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:50.079
best time to bring that up. They gave me well they gave Nick crap and Nick gave

00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:52.880
me crap because every time every time I

00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:57.920
pull out an iFix it kit for a phone repair or for a disassembly vlog or

00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:04.480
whatever the case may be, every time I pull one out, I pull out the old Protek

00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:06.520
tool kit with the 54-bit driver kit and

00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:12.480
they're just like, "Dude, what are you doing?

00:39:10.240 --> 00:39:15.920
You're sponsored by iFixit and you're using the old kit all the time. And the

00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:19.599
funny thing is is I take flak from the viewers about obvious product placement

00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:23.200
is obvious. iFixit doesn't want me to do that. They don't want to pay me to use

00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:28.720
the old product that you can't even buy anymore. They ain't interested in that.

00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:33.680
Um, so this is cool. I don't know if you know this, but iFixit is actually

00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:35.760
sending us upgraded protect tool kits

00:39:33.680 --> 00:39:39.680
with embroidered names on them. So you're getting one. I'm getting one with

00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:45.119
my name embroidered on. Anyway, the reason that I always had the old kit was because I took the 64-bit one home

00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:48.880
because here I have a lot more tools at my disposal than I do at home. So, and

00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:52.480
then every time we do an iFixit spot, I run around trying to find it and then

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:57.599
it's missing. Yeah. No, I I'd only told him like weeks and weeks after I had uh

00:39:55.040 --> 00:40:01.520
after I had taken it home anyway. Then I'd forget and go run around try to find

00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:06.480
it. Anyways, the latest Protek Toolkit has their new 64-bit driver kit, which

00:40:04.240 --> 00:40:10.320
means that you can have over 4 gigs of RAM. It's got

00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:16.880
Sorry. Um, sorry. It has more bits. It

00:40:14.640 --> 00:40:21.680
has more durable parts. It has a better screwdriver that's easier to apply more

00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:26.000
torque with. Um, it's got their ESD safe tweezers. It's got the metal spudger.

00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:29.920
It's got suction cups to pull apart displays. All kinds of great stuff. It's

00:40:27.839 --> 00:40:36.560
backed by iFixit's lifetime warranty. And if you use offer code when on iFixit

00:40:33.839 --> 00:40:40.640
site, you can save $5 on a purchase of $10 or more. And we should probably get

00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:46.240
that lower third updated because that is not correct. That is an old offer code.

00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:48.079
I'm very sorry to iFixit and Nick. I'm

00:40:46.240 --> 00:40:52.400
not sorry to Nick, but I'm sorry to fix it. Hopefully they don't they don't hate

00:40:49.680 --> 00:40:57.440
us forever. Actually, we may be doing like a like a sponsored video with them.

00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:01.280
Oh. sometime soon where we'll be taking something taking something apart in a

00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:06.560
really cool way and putting it back together in a really cool way like for

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:10.240
them like uh they're like sponsoring us to do something that I've wanted to do

00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:15.280
for a long time but that I've never been able to do because it's extraordinarily

00:41:12.359 --> 00:41:18.560
timeconuming and expensive um so they're they're basically footing the bill for

00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:24.960
it. So cool guys. We love those guys that I fixed it. Yay. Uh, this is

00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:28.960
interesting that no one sort of briefed me on this because I actually have

00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:33.599
clothing from Ministry of Supply that I wore last week. All the comments on the

00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:37.119
video were like, "Wow, you and Nick look so professional this week compared to

00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:42.480
how you guys usually look on the WAN Show." And I think I screwed up the spot

00:41:40.240 --> 00:41:46.880
for them. So, I think we're redoing it again this week, but nobody told me, so

00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:51.040
I don't have the clothes. But the good news is I did wear them last week. I

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:55.440
wore a beautiful button-up shirt and I actually was wearing pants on the WAN

00:41:52.560 --> 00:41:58.960
show for a change. Something that is uh not usually the experience that is going

00:41:57.520 --> 00:42:03.680
on under the table here. Yeah, that would have been pretty surprising. So, Ministry Ministry of Supply combines

00:42:02.319 --> 00:42:06.880
performance fabrics, advanced manufacturing techniques, and tailored

00:42:05.359 --> 00:42:12.480
design to make wear to work clothes that are comfortable and capable. They're

00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:17.079
meant to be worn on the body, which is good because they have to look good on

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:21.760
the floor, too. Yeah, they gota

00:42:19.560 --> 00:42:25.280
Wow, they're not gonna like this spot either. The products keep you cool and

00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.400
dry with sweat wicking fibers, breathable fabrics, and NASA developed

00:42:27.040 --> 00:42:32.480
phase change materials that help regulate your body temperature, and most

00:42:30.560 --> 00:42:37.280
importantly for our audience, everything is easy to care for. Throw it in the

00:42:35.040 --> 00:42:41.680
washing machine, throw it in the dryer. That's important for me. Oo,

00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:45.680
wrinkle-free even out of the bag. So, it was like all folded up like Colton

00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:48.720
handed me a folded collared shirt and was like, "Wear this on the show today."

00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:53.680
And I was like, "You have got to be kidding me. I'm gonna look like the

00:42:51.200 --> 00:42:58.079
biggest like there there was there's a wedding this weekend and I went and

00:42:55.359 --> 00:43:02.560
bought a shirt at the mall on Friday, idiot with like creases down my shirt."

00:43:00.560 --> 00:43:06.640
Actually, it was fine. Yeah. So, there's no risk to try. There's free shipping

00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:12.560
and returns with a 100-day hassle-free return policy. And it is the perfect

00:43:09.200 --> 00:43:13.839
gift for anyone with a birthday or a

00:43:12.560 --> 00:43:18.319
thing that you might need to give them a gift for. My notes still say Father's Day, but that is obviously outdated. Or

00:43:17.040 --> 00:43:23.680
if someone you know has to go to a wedding on the weekend and it's uh

00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:25.040
coming up soon. Yes, indeedy. And you're

00:43:23.680 --> 00:43:29.680
like, they're not going to figure this out, so I'm going to do them do this for

00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:33.040
them because my name is Avon and their name is Lionus. I'm not going to a

00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:37.920
wedding. I'm actually going to a funeral this weekend. And it's has to do something with clothing myself. Feels

00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:42.480
bad, right, man? It does. Sorry. Actually, I'm going to a funeral this

00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:43.920
weekend. I know. I'm sorry. I will look

00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:51.359
presentable at it, though. I started making the joke and then I was like, crap. This is way more applicable than I

00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:53.440
thought. Oops. Oh, dang. That's okay.

00:43:51.359 --> 00:44:00.319
Facebook wants to deliver high-speed internet everywhere via freaking lasers.

00:43:56.160 --> 00:44:04.880
Laser beams. Laser beams. Y I mean to be

00:44:00.319 --> 00:44:08.400
clear the idea of internet with with

00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:11.240
lasers is actually not that out there.

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:17.760
In fact your internet travels over lasers for sure. Fiber fiber at some

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:23.680
point. Some people can be like I don't have fiber. At some point at some point

00:44:20.560 --> 00:44:26.160
if you connect to a website that is not

00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:30.680
like in your house friend hosting it. Yeah. your friend hosting it down the

00:44:27.680 --> 00:44:30.680
street.

00:44:31.520 --> 00:44:39.119
Like, well, actually, Lus, um,

00:44:36.240 --> 00:44:43.280
I ran a internet cable to like my my neighbor's house and then we have a a

00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:48.400
localized website for checking out what games we both have because Steam is like

00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.520
there's too much DRM and stuff.

00:44:49.520 --> 00:44:55.040
That could happen. Maybe the the worst

00:44:52.720 --> 00:44:59.200
part is someone watching our stream has definitely done it.

00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:03.839
Like when I was going to explode with like I did it when I was in university.

00:45:01.359 --> 00:45:08.000
Uh I put my computer in my neighbor's dorm room cuz we liked gaming in there

00:45:06.160 --> 00:45:12.800
because my roommate was a douche canoe. Um but I had the good internet. So we

00:45:10.640 --> 00:45:16.800
ran the internet from my room out my window into his window and then would

00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:19.839
game. And when it was really cold outside I was like next to the window

00:45:18.319 --> 00:45:23.680
but I like the cold. So, we just keep the window open so we could keep fast

00:45:21.359 --> 00:45:30.720
internet speeds. Nice game. I like that you've picked up douche canoe because I

00:45:26.560 --> 00:45:32.839
picked up broke dick from you. So,

00:45:30.720 --> 00:45:37.920
there we go. All right. So, the system uses

00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:41.359
invisible infrared laser beams that switch on and off several billion times

00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:47.119
per second to exchange data while consuming minimal energy. So, basically

00:45:43.520 --> 00:45:48.640
the same as fi fiber optic internet

00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:54.079
except that it goes through the air. So, Facebook is working on a means of delivering. Okay, that is basically the

00:45:52.160 --> 00:45:57.920
headline. Thank you. The project has taken a step forward after a first test

00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:02.160
delivered connection speeds over 2 Gbit per second. So, according to an article

00:46:00.560 --> 00:46:05.599
penned by four members of Facebook's connectivity lab published in the

00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:08.560
scientific journal Optica, the plan is to deliver these high-speed internet

00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:14.480
connections using laser beams to the most remote possible locations. However,

00:46:12.240 --> 00:46:18.319
high levels of precision are required to line up the laser correctly. So they

00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:23.720
have to aim the beam with precision equivalent to hitting a dime from more

00:46:20.560 --> 00:46:26.640
than 10 miles away.

00:46:23.720 --> 00:46:33.839
So that's a cool thought experiment. The system also needs to support temperature

00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:35.839
differences of up to 90° C.

00:46:33.839 --> 00:46:41.040
See the hitting the dime from 10 miles away thing that thing that worries me

00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:43.040
with that is like weather. Yeah. And

00:46:41.040 --> 00:46:47.040
other things that just happen. Really anything that could happen. Rebel

00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:50.640
insurrection. ental plate movement. Yeah. Like that's actually a factor at a

00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:54.960
distance of 10 miles away. Like did you see that sinkhole on 200th Street? Yeah.

00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:58.960
I have to drive. Like there's just a sinkhole.

00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:03.680
What the hell, man? Okay. The middle of a thair. Things just happen. The the

00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:06.560
moon moves, the the waters rise and lower, the continental plates shift.

00:47:05.359 --> 00:47:11.520
There's there's lots of things that affect the positioning of things on the planet more than you might realize. All

00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:16.079
right, speaking of the position of things on the planet, the Hollywood

00:47:13.200 --> 00:47:20.480
Reporter is apparently our source for us looks to prosecute the owner of kickass

00:47:18.560 --> 00:47:24.800
Torrance after arrest in Poland. Yeah, that's one of the things that's different about this laptop. Doesn't

00:47:22.640 --> 00:47:27.599
have a touch screen. I went to zoom in and reposition

00:47:28.040 --> 00:47:33.280
it. I do look forward to having the blade back, but this is a pretty sick

00:47:31.520 --> 00:47:39.760
notebook. I'm my review is going to be very positive. Um, all right. So, the US

00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:42.079
is looking to prosecute Ardum Valin,

00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.359
alleged owner of Kickass Torrance, after his arrest in Poland. They've announced

00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:49.440
that they charged him with conspiracy to commit copyright infringement and money

00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:54.079
laundering in connection with the operation of Kickass Torrance. In a

00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:59.920
press release, the law enforcement calls Kickass Torrance the most visited

00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:02.480
illegal filesharing website with 50

00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:07.520
million unique monthly visitors. It is the 69th most visited website on the

00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:12.240
internet, which is so delicious. Oh my goodness. Um, and it is allegedly

00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:16.240
responsible for enabling users to distribute films, TV shows, and video

00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:21.520
games valued at more than $1 billion. That's probably conservative. If you

00:48:18.319 --> 00:48:23.440
value each discrete download as the full

00:48:21.520 --> 00:48:26.400
cash value of that, that's definitely conservative if that's how you do it.

00:48:24.640 --> 00:48:31.440
Yeah, it was very, very conservative. Apple and Facebook actually helped the

00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:36.480
US in the investigation and release. Um, so an Apple email belonging to Valin was

00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:41.839
found in a who is lookup conducted by Homeland Security. July 31st, 2015

00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:46.319
records provided by Apple showed that the mi.com email account was used to

00:48:44.240 --> 00:48:50.160
purchase something on iTunes. Logs showed that the same IP was then used to

00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:56.680
access the kickass Torrance Facebook page. So he got caught because he bought

00:48:53.200 --> 00:48:56.680
something legitimately.

00:48:57.040 --> 00:49:02.319
I mean, I guess if I was making Wow. How many millions of dollars a month was it

00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.920
that they figured it was bringing in? One of the other articles that I um that

00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:09.680
I read was uh I I forget. It was like I

00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:13.520
I don't know $12 million a month or something obscene. Like the amount of

00:49:11.359 --> 00:49:17.680
money it was making was just ludicrous. The guy can afford to buy movies, music,

00:49:15.359 --> 00:49:22.079
and videos. So, if he follows the usual the usual pirate logic of I only pirate

00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:29.119
because I can't afford it, then hey, maybe it's a good thing he was buying things on iTunes. Um I just think you'd

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:34.400
go to your own store, you know? Yeah, shop at your own free store for free

00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:38.079
wares. Yeah.

00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:42.800
Um, so there's an update. There's a clone site of Kickass Torrent somewhere

00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:47.720
on the web. That doesn't surprise me at all. There's a change.org petition.

00:49:45.359 --> 00:49:51.359
Yeah, there's currently at 14,000 signatures asking for that's worth

00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:55.119
taking time out of your day to go sign to release him. That is probably not

00:49:53.760 --> 00:50:00.359
going to have an effect. It's up to 15,000 supporters now. And there's like

00:49:57.839 --> 00:50:05.760
there's like a bar. It's like 9478 more needed to reach

00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:11.839
25,000. As if 25,000 will be any different from 25 in terms of the impact

00:50:08.160 --> 00:50:14.559
that'll have. But um there you go. Oh,

00:50:11.839 --> 00:50:19.559
this is good. Uh recode.net is our original article here. Dollar Shave Club

00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:26.800
just sold for $1 billion to Unilever.

00:50:23.040 --> 00:50:28.400
$1 billion. Wow. Good old Mike, who I've

00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:32.800
never actually met, but I feel like I know him because I've been pimping his

00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:39.280
razors for like three years now. Good old Mike is a billionaire. He is still

00:50:35.839 --> 00:50:40.880
going to be running the company. Um,

00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:45.440
they were projecting more than 200 million in revenue for 2016. Dollar

00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:50.000
Shave Club isn't profitable, but he said at a conference in May that the company

00:50:47.520 --> 00:50:54.480
could get into the black by year's end. And Unilever has basically gone, "Okay,

00:50:52.240 --> 00:50:59.400
that's good enough for us. We're doing it.

00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:03.599
Um, wow. So, basically, you know, he's like, "Okay,

00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:07.520
yeah, I'm going to keep running it. We we had, you know, good synergy, you

00:51:06.160 --> 00:51:11.440
know, talking with each other. The economies of scale they can bring in

00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:15.599
will change our business a lot." And that's true. I mean, I've had people

00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:18.960
point out that Dollar Shave Club's razors can be purchased in bulk, not

00:51:17.520 --> 00:51:24.480
from Dollar Shave Club, if you don't want a weekly delivery. And the reality

00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:28.720
of it is is people join Dollar Shave Club. So set so it's set it and forget

00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:31.359
it. Not so they can save 22 cents per blade or whatever the difference works

00:51:30.160 --> 00:51:36.559
out to. I can't remember how much it was. I did look into it. Um so for

00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:40.160
Dollar Shave Club to be able to potentially I mean with the resources

00:51:38.319 --> 00:51:44.520
that Unilever can throw at it, they could to advertise more to develop

00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:48.720
products faster, develop more unique products, it could end up being a good

00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:55.440
investment for Unilever even though it's not even profitable yet. Yeah. and even

00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:57.599
more lucrative for Mike in the long term

00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:02.800
because the company could bring in so much profit. So overall, hey,

00:52:00.640 --> 00:52:08.000
congratulations you guys and uh the next bill we send you is going to be double

00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:11.839
now that you got big boy dollars. That would be nice. What I want them to do, I

00:52:10.319 --> 00:52:15.440
would really appreciate this. I don't know how they would make make this work

00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:20.880
in their model or something, but I want someone to make a good trimmer. A good

00:52:18.640 --> 00:52:25.599
trimmer. Oh, good luck. They all are terrible. Good luck. I spent a very

00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:30.000
annoying amount of money to just get pissed off to the point where I almost

00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:31.640
threw it like a week ago because like it

00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:36.240
just it was it was $100. I don't like spending money. I

00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:39.280
know you don't. I hate it. I know you do. I sat there in the store for

00:52:37.520 --> 00:52:43.359
literally like half an hour being like, I don't like this. And then eventually

00:52:41.040 --> 00:52:48.559
was just like okay. Because my previous one broke and it worked somewhat okay.

00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:51.200
So I needed a new one. Yeah. M and I was like, I want it to be good and I have

00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:57.520
all these complaints about my previous one and this one was supposed to be good and I bought it and it's

00:52:54.280 --> 00:53:00.000
worse. It's so bad. You might notice I

00:52:57.520 --> 00:53:03.680
have a lot going on right now because I don't I can't return it cuz it's a

00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:06.880
hygiene product, right? That's how they get you. Yeah, that's absolutely how

00:53:05.359 --> 00:53:10.160
they get you. And it's so bad and I don't want to spend money on another one

00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:14.000
cuz it's also going to be bad. And you can't use a razor for everything. To be

00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:18.800
very clear, you can use a razor when you want down to the skin. You need to use a

00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:23.680
body trimmer if you want to have some amount. Yeah. And I want razor down here

00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:26.480
and razor like in here a little bit, which is what I normally do. There's no

00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:31.520
point when the rest of the beard is this ridiculous. Um, but I want to use a

00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:37.200
beard trimmer for the rest of it and they all are terrible. If Dollar Shave

00:53:34.160 --> 00:53:39.680
Club came out with a beard trimmer, I it

00:53:37.200 --> 00:53:43.599
would probably be fine and I would use it. It wouldn't have a flashlight and

00:53:41.680 --> 00:53:46.800
whatever other stuff he says that in the thing. And that's fine. I don't even

00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:50.160
want all the crazy different like the one I have has like millimeter control

00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:54.319
and stuff. That's not why I bought it. I don't care. I just want it to cut hair.

00:53:51.839 --> 00:53:59.119
Yes. Yep. Oh my goodness. Speaking of just wanting to cut hair, Gorilla Glass

00:53:56.400 --> 00:54:01.720
5 is coming and it's more shockproof than ever. The original article here is

00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:09.280
from the verge.com. It is meant to survive epic

00:54:05.319 --> 00:54:10.720
smartphone drops. Dang. And then the Oh,

00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:18.000
this is great. Filing this from a cracked phone. Good job,

00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:20.319
Lauren. Um, so yeah, in a nutshell, blah

00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:26.160
blah says it'll survive 80% of the time when dropped from 1.6 m. That's really

00:54:23.200 --> 00:54:28.960
high. That's pretty freaking good. Uh, wow. So, waist height to shoulder height

00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:33.680
is kind of what they were targeting here. They figure 2/3 of smartphone

00:54:31.359 --> 00:54:36.880
drops happen from that height. internal probably accurate research done by

00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:40.720
Corning showed that 85% of smartphone owners have dropped their phone at least

00:54:38.319 --> 00:54:45.520
once in the past year. The survival rate was achieved in tests with pieces of

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:48.160
glass that were 6 mm thick and they make

00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:53.520
glass as thin as4 mm. So smartphone OEMs that opt for thinner glass may see

00:54:49.839 --> 00:54:56.480
different results. So uh that's about 5

00:54:53.520 --> 00:55:02.079
and 1/4 ft. And to be clear, it does not account for corner drops. The testing

00:54:58.720 --> 00:55:04.079
was done dropping flat on its face. So,

00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:07.920
as phones continue to have smaller and smaller bezels, um I'm not sure if

00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:12.000
there's actually much that Corning will be able to do to address that. But hey,

00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:15.520
they got to release a new product at some point. Gorilla Glass 3 sat there as

00:55:13.839 --> 00:55:20.480
the king of the hill forever. And Gorilla Glass 4 is kind of getting along

00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:23.280
in the tooth. So now five with more drop

00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:27.839
resistance in a configuration that only Samsung Galaxy S8 Active is likely to

00:55:26.160 --> 00:55:32.920
use because everyone else thinks phones have to be like, you know, corset thin.

00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:37.760
I like the active line. I'd rather things were like that.

00:55:35.680 --> 00:55:41.119
All right, on the subject of kick-ass torrent, our original article here is

00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:46.640
from Technobuffalo. Witcher 3 studio talks piracy says it was an irrelevant

00:55:43.839 --> 00:55:52.079
factor. These guys really do love to be popular, don't they? Yeah, because I

00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:54.720
guarantee you it was a relevant factor,

00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:59.599
but they just they just love taking what all the other game devs are saying and

00:55:57.839 --> 00:56:03.599
being like, you know what, but that's a positive and

00:56:01.839 --> 00:56:07.040
smart way to go about it. It is. They get so much good press. I love it, too.

00:56:05.520 --> 00:56:10.720
They they go with this, the privacy factor is irrelevant because we can only

00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:13.920
convince them to do it. We totally believe in carrot, not the stick. So

00:56:12.720 --> 00:56:18.000
they're being like, "We're the nice guys. Love us." Yeah. Love us. Give us

00:56:16.319 --> 00:56:21.760
your money. They are doing all the nice guy things. Yep. They're not saying this

00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:26.880
stuff and then and then loading up, you know, uh Stardock and whatever like

00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:32.000
eight different levels. G Oh, games for Windows Live. Terrible. Yeah. So they're

00:56:29.839 --> 00:56:35.920
they're they're doing it all right and then saying these things and I guess

00:56:34.240 --> 00:56:40.000
correctly getting credit for it. So awesome. Also, I think Witcher 3 is the

00:56:38.160 --> 00:56:44.720
highest rated game ever on Metacritic right now. Yeah. You sent me Hangouts

00:56:41.520 --> 00:56:48.160
the other day. Yeah, that's bananas.

00:56:44.720 --> 00:56:51.359
Doing good. Hell yeah. All right. Uh

00:56:48.160 --> 00:56:53.119
Elon Musk reveals part two of the master

00:56:51.359 --> 00:56:59.680
plan. The funny thing about the original master plan, and he says this in the um

00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:03.599
in the part two master plan, is that Tesla's business model, for anyone who's

00:57:01.680 --> 00:57:08.720
ever like doubted it or told them they were stupid or said that they're bad

00:57:05.359 --> 00:57:10.960
people for making only cars that could

00:57:08.720 --> 00:57:15.760
master, it was always on their site. and he's like, "I wrote this so that people

00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:21.839
wouldn't criticize what we're doing. It didn't work. Oh well, here I go

00:57:19.240 --> 00:57:25.119
again." Revealing the master plan. The thing is though, he he does say that and

00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:31.520
he says it was like nearly useless or whatever. But he has had his like

00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:35.280
cheering squad who did read it and he has been able to use it as a

00:57:33.040 --> 00:57:39.040
counterargument and so it has served him in a way I think just not nearly as much

00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:42.640
as he not as much as he hoped. Yeah. Every once in a while, you kind of go,

00:57:40.720 --> 00:57:47.119
"Okay, I'm going to go out on a limb here and I'm gonna I'm gonna go full

00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:50.720
transparency mode with my customers or my viewers or whatever else." And you

00:57:48.720 --> 00:57:58.240
know what? Sometimes it works. I took a lot of internal flak over honest answers

00:57:54.880 --> 00:58:00.400
episode two, how does LMG make money?

00:57:58.240 --> 00:58:04.240
Where I had people telling me, look, like, why are we talking about this?

00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:07.839
We're just opening up the doors for people to criticize us for making money.

00:58:06.319 --> 00:58:11.920
something that people love criticizing us for. Yeah, I'm sorry that we're a

00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:16.880
business. We're not Twitch streamers and I'm sorry that I'm sorry that we make money. I'm not sorry at all. And that

00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:20.599
was the point of Honest Answers. Here are the ways we do it. I want you guys

00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:26.960
to understand how we do it so you understand what motivates us, what

00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:29.760
drives us, and what drives us is content

00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:36.160
for you guys because ultimately we will make no money if we don't have you. So,

00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:41.760
we actually do read a lot of the comments on our videos. I read probably

00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:46.280
95% of the comments that are posted on one of our videos in the first day. I

00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:51.680
claim that I don't, but I do. And you know what? So does Nick. And

00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:58.160
so does Ivonne. And so do the editors. And so does John. So does Dennis. We all

00:58:55.520 --> 00:59:03.760
care. We really do care. And we are not going to throw away our audience over,

00:59:01.200 --> 00:59:07.839
you know, NVIDIA or Intel or Microsoft or any gigantic corporation that can

00:59:05.839 --> 00:59:12.160
write us a check because a check is a one-time thing. An audience is something

00:59:10.240 --> 00:59:16.640
that we can continue to engage with and interact with and that we can continue

00:59:14.160 --> 00:59:20.720
to show brands, hey, we've got all these guys that we're talking to every day. If

00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:26.079
you want to reach these guys, you got to talk to us and you got to do it regularly. So that's that was why I

00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:30.480
went, "Okay, I'm going to go like full transparency mode here." Sometimes it

00:59:27.839 --> 00:59:34.960
works. And honestly, that seemed to work really well. People seem to really get

00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:38.400
what I was trying to say, and they understood the point of what I was

00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:42.480
doing, and it didn't turn into a a negativity poo storm.

00:59:41.040 --> 00:59:46.720
Okay, so sometimes it doesn't work. That was kind of where I was going. Yeah.

00:59:44.319 --> 00:59:51.920
Anyway, here's the TLDDR of part two of the master plan. Create stunning solar

00:59:49.680 --> 00:59:55.839
roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage.

00:59:53.680 --> 00:59:59.599
Expand the electrical electric vehicle product line to address all major

00:59:57.680 --> 01:00:03.680
segments, including semi-truckss and other trucks. And I wish there was a

01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:09.040
minivan cuz I just bought a gas minivan. Um, develop a self-driving capability

01:00:05.839 --> 01:00:12.079
that is 10 times safer than manual via

01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:13.839
massive fleet learning. Enable your car

01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:18.000
to make money for you when you aren't using it through ride sharing programs.

01:00:16.720 --> 01:00:23.280
and probably they have other creative ideas. So once it's able to automatically drive, not only will you

01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:26.720
be able to summon it, but you'll be able to go like, "Hey little buddy car thing,

01:00:25.040 --> 01:00:29.680
I'm at work. Go just like drive people around and make me money." Yep. Go back

01:00:28.319 --> 01:00:35.839
to my house where I'm not paying for electricity because my roof is covered in solar power, solar cells. And uh then

01:00:33.839 --> 01:00:39.440
when you're done with that, go and uh go and pick up some dudes or recharge at a

01:00:37.839 --> 01:00:42.000
Tesla station because that's also free. Yep. Yeah. Well, it won't it might not

01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:47.440
be able to do that. Oh, I guess it probably could do that automatically. Yeah.

01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:51.200
Oh man, pretty excited. The car will probably be able to talk to the Tesla

01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:57.520
station. The car will park exactly where it needs to and then it'll just rip.

01:00:54.319 --> 01:01:00.079
Wonderful. All right, so this is a phone

01:00:57.520 --> 01:01:06.960
that I was actually planning to review and then I ended up sending back uh when

01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:09.359
I realized that I that the $99 price

01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:12.160
point is a little bit deceptive. I want to say one quick thing before we keep

01:01:10.720 --> 01:01:14.799
going forward. Yes, I'm sure there's people I haven't looked at at all, but

01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:18.240
I'm sure there's people in the Twitch chat going like if it goes and picks up

01:01:17.040 --> 01:01:23.440
people by itself, they're just going to like trash the car and that's possible.

01:01:20.319 --> 01:01:25.520
It's probably going to be a uh Uber

01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:29.040
style app thing that you have to use and your credit card will be attached to it

01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:34.079
and they'll have IDs attached to it and if you screw up the car, they'll just

01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:37.119
wreck you, right? So, yeah, it's

01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:40.240
probably fine. I mean, probably stuff

01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:43.520
will happen. Yes, definitely stuff will

01:01:40.240 --> 01:01:46.079
happen. Yeah, but for the most part,

01:01:43.520 --> 01:01:49.440
maybe it'll be okay. Yeah. Um, and I mean, you could I'm sure that they're

01:01:47.520 --> 01:01:54.000
going to I'm sure they're going to make it kind of smarter than we're thinking,

01:01:52.799 --> 01:01:59.520
you know, like you could probably have like a trusted list of people that you're willing to share your car with

01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:04.240
even. Oh, if that would be like family and friends rides. Like you could have

01:02:02.319 --> 01:02:08.160
this acting like a text. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could you could

01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:11.599
decide what level of sharing you want to do and you and you could treat it like a

01:02:09.839 --> 01:02:16.400
social network. So you could say friends of friends are okay. Yeah. So if you

01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:20.160
need to borrow your buddy's truck and he has a Tesla truck and you have a Tesla

01:02:18.160 --> 01:02:24.480
car, you can like send your car off to him for the day. Borrow his truck for

01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:27.359
the day and then switch back later on. That's cool. You don't even have to

01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:31.119
worry about your buddy crashing your truck. He doesn't know how to drive it

01:02:29.200 --> 01:02:34.319
because the Tesla thing is going to drive it for it. Yep. So, like there's

01:02:32.720 --> 01:02:39.119
there's all kinds of cool stuff and like they're going have to make Tesla trailers. Like, oh man, that's treating

01:02:37.359 --> 01:02:44.640
it like a social network. I like that. That's smart. Like that would be so

01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:47.839
cool. Anyway, back to the ZTE Zmax Pro.

01:02:44.640 --> 01:02:50.799
It is a $99 phone, which absolutely blew

01:02:47.839 --> 01:02:55.839
me away cuz it has a 1080p IPS display. It has um a Qualcomm processor. So, it's

01:02:53.920 --> 01:03:00.720
not it's not a Snapdragon 820, let's be realistic, but it is Qualcomm. It's not

01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:07.280
MediaTek. Um, it's got 32 gigs of storage, 2 gigs of RAM, uh, 3,400

01:03:03.680 --> 01:03:10.240
milliamp battery. Um, like it's pretty

01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:15.200
freaking impressive. 6-inch display. It is missing a couple things. It does not

01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:16.799
have dualband Wi-Fi, 2.4 GHz only. It

01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:21.039
does not have NFC. There was one other thing that really irked me. Um, and so I

01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:25.520
was going to review the crap out of this. I was like, "Oh my goodness, I've got this in my hand. I'm like ready."

01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:29.440
And then I realized Metro PCS. Like, I couldn't put my SIM in. It wasn't

01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:34.720
unlocked. And they wouldn't even ZTE wasn't able to unlock it for me because

01:03:31.839 --> 01:03:41.559
you have to have it active on a Metro PCS plan for 90 days in order to get the

01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:41.559
$100 rebate.

01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:48.920
Now, I'm so excited for Tesla trucks.

01:03:49.240 --> 01:03:55.839
Um, at the prepaid. Okay. Yeah. And it

01:03:52.880 --> 01:04:01.440
will remain at $99. This is not just an intro promo. So, okay, very impressive

01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:05.839
phone. If you are looking for like a prepaid phone carrier and you just need

01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:08.799
like a cheap device and then you you want to like port it over to a different

01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:11.359
carrier later, have a look at which bands it supports. Double check. Make

01:04:10.240 --> 01:04:18.319
sure it supports the bands of the carrier of your choice. But I would highly recommend it based on the price.

01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:20.240
At 99 bucks, it like felt good. I didn't

01:04:18.319 --> 01:04:24.799
test out the camera much, so I wouldn't expect it to be anything special, but it

01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:30.400
blew me away in terms of the rest of the functionality at 99 bucks with uh NFC

01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:35.520
being a bit of a bummer and 5 GHz Wi-Fi being like a pretty big

01:04:32.839 --> 01:04:37.839
bummer. I had the phone actually shipped it back to them today because I was

01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:42.640
like, "Look, I'm not reviewing this. I'm sorry." I thought it was 99 unlocked.

01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:45.760
That's why I was like so excited. Um now I'm just like a little bit excited. So,

01:04:44.160 --> 01:04:50.319
I'll cover it on WAN Show and I will hold up the phone, but I can't because

01:04:47.200 --> 01:04:53.200
Jake's too efficient.

01:04:50.319 --> 01:04:57.760
Way to go, Jake. Way to go, Jake. You jerk.

01:04:54.960 --> 01:05:01.960
Um, I think that's pretty much all that I Oh, actually, no. I really want to I

01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:06.720
want to do this. Techchnica.co.uk. Wearable maker Fitbit

01:05:04.240 --> 01:05:11.680
must face lawsuit over sleep tracking claims.

01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:13.599
They are just getting wrecked. I mean,

01:05:11.680 --> 01:05:16.559
let's talk about fitness trackers for a minute here. I know Luke has a piece

01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:20.640
planned where he's going to be comparing a bunch of different I don't think I want to say anything. Should I say

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anything about it yet? No, because I don't know anything. Okay. And if you

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don't weigh in, then you don't have to like hold anything back and I can just

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say whatever and you can just sit there poker face and we won't know how true or

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untrue any of it is. But basically my experience with fitness trackers is that

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they spit out meaningless numbers and due to battery life constraints um are

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not able to actually perform the functions that they claim to perform.

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Things like sleep tracking for a device that I have to take off even once or

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twice a week to charge at night is just

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stupid because it's not actually getting the whole picture. And I haven't even

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looked at any of my notes on this yet. So, class action laws lawsuit accusing

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Fitbit of misrepresenting the ability for it to track sleep and okay and it

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can move forward says a federal judge. Uh, San Francisco the San Francisco

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federal lawsuit claims Fitbit materially misrepresented their packaging of their

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flex product to track users hours, slept times woken up, and sleep quality. The

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suit alleges false advertising, unfair trade practices, fraud, and other

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claims. Yeah, it could still be dismissed, but

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um I mean there at some point, you know, fitness tracker wearers, wearable makers

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who for the most part, as far as I can tell, are just kind of not doing enough

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R&D on all of this stuff. Um we're going

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to get taken to task and it looks like it's happening now. I'm I'm just going

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to what I'll say for now is that I think

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you're pretty close.

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End of an era. Original article from CDV

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News. Japan to manufacture the last ever

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VCR this summer. So if you want a VCR

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brand new, now is the time to get it. Wonder who's going to get the last

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manufactured VCR ever. Funi Electric Company is the last remaining Japanese

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manufacturer of VCR devices. Uh they've sold under various names like Sano in

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North America and they've been making VHS recorders since 1983.

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They reported sales of 750,000 video recorders worldwide in

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2015. And uh this is pretty much it.

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There was actually a pretty good summary of you know what VHS was for those of

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you who are fairly young and don't really remember it. Um but going back

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going back in time, Philips and Sony presented their first realtore video

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tape recorders in the 1960s and the first home devices followed in the 1970s

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and were actually showcased at CES. Several formats sprung up over the years

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to compete in the consumer market. Sony's Betamax and the widely adopted

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VHS developed by JVC. It launched officially in 1976 with the first

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compatible recorders released in Japan before rolling out worldwide. VHS

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cassettes could record between 30 minutes and 5 hours of video footage.

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And over time, VCR recorders were even capable of doubling this capacity,

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recording up to 10 hours on a single cassette. Although considered better

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quality, Betamax never managed to rival the VHS format. And uh actually at the

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end of 2015, Sony announced it would stop selling Betamax cassettes

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commercially this year as well. It's

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over an end of an era. And actually that leads us into yet another topic that we

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really have to cover. An era that just won't end. The WRT 54GL. How many have

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you owned? How many have I owned? I have never owned one. Or bought for someone

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else. I bought one. Okay, that's it. I

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bought one for someone else and that's that's it.

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Um, in terms of recommending at a store that I worked at, my number is I don't

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even know. If we want to talk about that, mine's a lot higher. Yeah,

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probably. That's true. Yeah. Um, but ludicrous amounts. And I've bought for

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myself or like friends and family. I think four.

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So, it was released in 2005, which when

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we talk about in terms of technology products is ridiculous. Yes. Um, it's a

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54 megabit per second router. It's wireless G. I mean, it's not even dual

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band. Like, why do people still want this? Well, the open source firmware,

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the reliability make it attractive. You

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can buy a new router for less money. Get the benefit of modern standards,

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expansion into the 5 GHz band, and data rates more than 20 times higher. So, the

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54GL costs around 43 bucks US on Amazon. But despite this, people are buying it

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in large enough numbers that Lynxis continues to earn millions of dollars

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per year with it. This is a great quote.

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Lynxis global product manager Vince Lass uh Vince Leuka, excuse me, told ours,

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"To be honest, it somewhat baffles my

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mind, but we'll keep building it because people keep buying

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it." Wonderful.

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All right, so I think that pretty much wraps it up. Thank you very much for

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tuning in to the WAN Show this week. I'm sorry it was late. I think based on how

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smoothly the stream has gone since we started it and got the audio fixed that

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I'm basically not going to touch anything and hopefully we will be good

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to go next week. That strategy has definitely worked for us in the past and

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it has also not worked for us at times in the past ever. Ever. So that was my

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point. Thank you for watching and we will see you again next week. Same bat

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time, same bat channel. Bye.

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There's no intro. Carrying a couch.

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Lionus drops the couch and laughs. I keep

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going. I laugh. There's not that big of a delay between

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you laughing and dropping the couch. Yeah, I think it's funny immediately. I

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think we're sitting on a couch together. We move a little bit on the couch cuz oh

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my god, we can't make graphics apparently.