1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,359 what's next a Kirkland Signature gaming PC I mean come on it's one thing if 2 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:11,219 Amazon wants to shamelessly rip off someone's messenger bag but engineering 3 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:15,360 a big screen TV is a little more complicated than cutting up someone 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:19,859 else's turning it into a blueprint and assembling your own which is why they 5 00:00:17,699 --> 00:00:24,539 didn't but the Fire TV on new series appears to serve a very similar purpose 6 00:00:22,439 --> 00:00:28,199 it's been contract manufactured by someone hopefully we can figure out who 7 00:00:26,580 --> 00:00:32,700 by the end of this video and exist specifically for Amazon to compete 8 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:37,739 directly with its Partners offering low everyday prices and already aggressive 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:41,399 deals during promotional periods like Black Friday the only question to answer 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:45,480 before millions of you rushed out to buy one then is does it totally suck thanks 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,020 to Ting mobile for sponsoring today's video Ting mobile is a customer focused 12 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:52,680 mobile provider with low rates and Nationwide coverage in the US almost any 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:57,360 phone works with T-Mobile so learn more and get 25 in credit at Linus.ting.com 14 00:01:04,159 --> 00:01:10,560 all right you got me it's not quite 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,740 Amazon Basics but the Fire TV 75 at 16 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:16,380 Johnny is still pretty basic it takes 17 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:22,080 all the most important boxes 4K 60hz HDMI 2.1 with e-arc HDR with Dolby 18 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:26,640 Vision support voice control with aliexa and support for pretty much any app that 19 00:01:25,020 --> 00:01:30,720 you'd want but if you were expecting anything more extra like ultra thin 20 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:34,799 bezels support for variable refresh rate or a comprehensive color calibration 21 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:38,220 menu then you won't need to waste your time checking out our links down below 22 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,880 for everyone else once you make it past the initial setup prompting you for your 23 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:46,079 Amazon account regular Amazon Fire stick users will find themselves feeling very 24 00:01:43,979 --> 00:01:49,860 much at home you've got your main apps Amazon specifically calls out Dolby 25 00:01:48,060 --> 00:01:53,820 Vision support for Disney plus Netflix and Prime video and then along the top 26 00:01:52,259 --> 00:01:59,640 you've got a dumpster fire 27 00:01:55,759 --> 00:02:02,340 literally 40 of the home screen is taken 28 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:06,000 up by ads fortunately the navigation isn't the worst but all the stuff you 29 00:02:04,259 --> 00:02:10,319 care about is in this little thin bar and then the options will populate below 30 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:13,379 as you navigate through one weird Quirk we ran into during testing was that 31 00:02:12,060 --> 00:02:18,239 picture settings weren't giving us anything other than a brightness option 32 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,400 out of the box we're not sure how or 33 00:02:18,239 --> 00:02:24,239 when that got fixed maybe installing some apps Force an update or something 34 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:29,340 but it seems okay now let's have a look at i o we've got USB type a Ethernet it 35 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:33,720 doesn't say how fast but based on the fact that it's speed tested slower than 36 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:37,200 the onboard Wi-Fi I don't think we'll be streaming any original quality Blu-ray 37 00:02:35,340 --> 00:02:40,800 rips and Plex there's a jack for the included IR receiver this is pretty nice 38 00:02:39,540 --> 00:02:44,640 if you don't want to have to aim your remote right at the TV you can just run 39 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:50,459 it off somewhere else a digital optical audio port three HDMI 2.0 ports and then 40 00:02:47,519 --> 00:02:56,099 a fourth HDMI 2.1 Port now you might wonder why Amazon bothered with HDMI 2.1 41 00:02:53,099 --> 00:02:58,019 if the panel is 60 hertz but being able 42 00:02:56,099 --> 00:03:02,940 to take advantage of e-arc to pass Dolby Atmos audio to your receiver or Soundbar 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,780 is a pretty good nice to have just like it's nice to have this sweet sweet party 44 00:03:04,620 --> 00:03:10,860 shirt from ltdstore.com and like it's nice to have accurate 45 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:14,819 colors on your TV we're not sure where Amazon is sourcing these panels and our 46 00:03:12,780 --> 00:03:18,659 contact at Portrait isn't sure all right so Linus asked me to take apart the Fire 47 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:23,340 TV and do some digging this thing is huge so I got a hand from one of our new 48 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:27,360 hires and Logistics we got it apart and started searching up the backlight 49 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:31,140 controllers as well as the like LCD pixel controller board and basically 50 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:34,560 every code we searched came back as TCL so we're pretty sure that's what we're 51 00:03:32,940 --> 00:03:38,760 dealing with here Amazon bought either finished TVs or at least a bunch of 52 00:03:36,420 --> 00:03:42,780 parts from TCL slapped their logo on the housing integrated fire stick and put it 53 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:47,819 in the box and on the shelves but what I do know is that out of the box our 54 00:03:44,819 --> 00:03:49,620 sample was not very impressive in 55 00:03:47,819 --> 00:03:54,360 standard mode color accuracy hit an average Delta e of 12.6 with primary 56 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:58,560 colors like red green and blue doing all right but anything in between dipping 57 00:03:56,459 --> 00:04:03,060 off significantly to put that in context anything over a Delta e of 2 is going to 58 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:07,319 be noticeable to the human eye however putting the display into movie mode 59 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:13,140 drastically improved matters we got a very decent average Delta e of 2 with a 60 00:04:10,019 --> 00:04:14,879 Max of five and a half not bad the main 61 00:04:13,140 --> 00:04:20,220 points of failure were blues and Grays while red and green were pretty spot on 62 00:04:16,979 --> 00:04:22,740 as for HDR accuracy again in movie mode 63 00:04:20,220 --> 00:04:26,639 it's not great but it's markedly improved with our average without 64 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:30,300 luminance error getting cut in half so if you care about watching content as it 65 00:04:28,620 --> 00:04:36,300 was intended to be viewed you're not going to want to have this thing in any picture mode other than movie although 66 00:04:34,259 --> 00:04:41,040 you still might not be getting the full experience it's not particularly bright 67 00:04:38,460 --> 00:04:46,620 at least in SDR we measured a peak luminance of 277 Candela per meter 68 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:50,460 squared for those of you unaware knits and Candela per meter squared are 69 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:55,020 basically interchangeable values so unless we're talking about an enormous 70 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:59,820 projection screen less than 300 nits ain't that bright and unfortunately in 71 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:04,500 spite of all the marketing noise made about it the HDR experience is not a 72 00:05:02,580 --> 00:05:10,500 whole lot better our Fire TV only reached about 430 nits Peak brightness 73 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,479 which sounds better when compared to the 74 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:16,680 peak SDR brightness we achieved but here's the thing brighter whites that 75 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:23,160 come at the cost of turning all the dark parts of the screen gray do not an HDR 76 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:28,320 image make and the Fire TV Omni is simply not equipped for decent HDR 77 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:32,039 performance the thing is modern IPS and VA type panels rely on a technology 78 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:36,539 called full array local dimming where the backlight shining through the panel 79 00:05:33,620 --> 00:05:40,860 selectively dims or boosts its light output in zones depending on the content 80 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:44,039 being displayed in each zone so this thing we're looking at right here you'd 81 00:05:42,539 --> 00:05:47,880 want to turn down the backlight at the bottom and turn it up at the top so the 82 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,699 stars shine nice and bright and if the significant backlight bleed in the 83 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:55,259 corners and along the bottom Edge is anything to go by you won't find that 84 00:05:52,919 --> 00:06:01,380 technology here making this TV yet another notch in our HDR and belt and of 85 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:05,639 course adding insult to injury our color accuracy was significantly worse when 86 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:10,340 testing HDR I say that you know it'll necessarily be 87 00:06:07,740 --> 00:06:14,940 noticeable the real world right 88 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:18,000 oh that's super annoying yeah so I don't so the stupid thing where we can only 89 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:24,840 adjust the back light in the settings menu is back when it's not on a source 90 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:27,000 if it's absent video you can't adjust it 91 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:31,440 we had a whole paragraph about how inconvenient this is because on a TV 92 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:35,759 where you are going to be wanting to adjust your picture settings you can't 93 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:39,600 be looking at content while you make your tweaks like what's the point of 94 00:06:37,860 --> 00:06:42,660 getting something with a Fire TV built in and then you have to go buy an NVIDIA 95 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:49,800 Shield anyway so that you can actually run in the right picture profile 96 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:53,220 so when contents actually playing you 97 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:55,560 can change what to clarify it has this 98 00:06:53,220 --> 00:06:59,880 Dynamic backlight feature so that will adjust the entire backlight's brightness 99 00:06:57,660 --> 00:07:04,500 depending on the scene but that will not help you with HDR good Lord this thing 100 00:07:03,180 --> 00:07:10,080 is not very bright oh my God I can't even see anything so 101 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:13,020 much for the dynamic contrast or dynamic backlight so now the whole image is just 102 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Gray we get HDR signal but that is not HDR 103 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:23,580 like all the detail in the dark parts of the scene is completely lost you can 104 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,840 kind of get the specular highlights off of toothless's scales and stuff like 105 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:31,919 that but they're not bright it's not HDR they don't Sparkle like the white dragon 106 00:07:29,819 --> 00:07:35,280 the light Fury you're supposed to really see like glinting off of the white 107 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:40,680 scales and stuff like that it's not there and what I opened this up to talk 108 00:07:38,099 --> 00:07:44,099 about which is color accuracy it's not overcooking greens or Reds or any of the 109 00:07:42,599 --> 00:07:47,880 things I would normally look for in a cheaper TV 110 00:07:45,780 --> 00:07:52,020 it's actually like really solid as far as the color goes I think this is just 111 00:07:49,979 --> 00:07:55,740 an expectations problem for Amazon if they didn't talk so much about the Dolby 112 00:07:53,580 --> 00:08:00,599 Vision compatibility in HDR I'd be looking at this going okay I want 113 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:05,280 to talk about gaming it's an LCD panel so we don't have to worry about burning 114 00:08:02,220 --> 00:08:06,840 but how does it actually feel 115 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:11,340 well one thing I can tell you is whatever you do don't leave it in 116 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:15,419 anything but game mode for gaming or you're going to have a seriously bad 117 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:18,680 time when it comes to input latency oh I guess I get to try that now yeah oh 118 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:24,060 fantastic holy bananas 119 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,979 that is horrendous I mean you guys can 120 00:08:24,060 --> 00:08:31,860 probably see this through the camera we don't even need a high speed camera watch this watch this look at that delay 121 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:36,180 it's exactly as bad as I expected it to be based on the desktop 122 00:08:33,300 --> 00:08:42,300 you just cannot react to things quickly like this 123 00:08:37,979 --> 00:08:45,480 game oh that's so much better 124 00:08:42,300 --> 00:08:47,839 yeah that that feels that feels very 125 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:53,339 better man everything looks so dull though we 126 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:58,620 can try turning on their Dynamic backlight again no yeah it just really 127 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:03,660 doesn't look that good for a thousand dollar TV I'm sorry like I know it's big 128 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:10,380 but you still like might as well just get the TCL or the Vizio like 129 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:12,540 yeah in standard picture mode which is 130 00:09:10,380 --> 00:09:17,360 what it comes set to default and what I'm playing in right now we measured an 131 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:23,339 average click to Photon latency of 139 milliseconds using our NVIDIA ldat 132 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:28,800 that's not just bad that is outright unplayable in games that require precise 133 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,180 inputs like Super Meat Boy and fixing 134 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:36,480 the issue ended up being kind of confusing you see normally picture mode 135 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:39,000 just applies presets to color tint 136 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:42,959 saturation that sort of thing but here the game picture profile which a lot of 137 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,760 the time will do stupid stuff like boosting up dark parts of the scene also 138 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:52,160 enables low latency processing which puts us all the way down to an average 139 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:57,899 of 29 milliseconds from click to Photon that is pretty darn good now to be clear 140 00:09:55,500 --> 00:10:03,360 many TVs these days do have a game mode setting to help reduce latency it's just 141 00:09:59,899 --> 00:10:05,399 usually or at least on good TVs it's its 142 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:08,820 own setting and not built into the picture profile 143 00:10:06,779 --> 00:10:13,140 both of our tests were using CS go running at around 280 frames per second 144 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:19,080 which is much faster than our 60hz panel can take advantage of and honestly 145 00:10:16,620 --> 00:10:23,100 um this is funny before we redid our colored measurements in movie mode we 146 00:10:21,839 --> 00:10:27,720 said you should just leave it in this mode because the accuracy is no different from standard but you're going 147 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:32,399 to want to be flipping back between movie mode and game mode depending on 148 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,800 what you're doing although I would probably make the argument you shouldn't 149 00:10:33,540 --> 00:10:38,640 be flipping back and forth between either of them because you just 150 00:10:36,779 --> 00:10:43,920 shouldn't buy this TV which raises a pretty big question 151 00:10:40,820 --> 00:10:45,959 lioness why are there so many five-star 152 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:50,100 reviews for this thing are you just being a hater well no offense but 153 00:10:48,540 --> 00:10:55,320 there's a reason that the people giving this thing 5 Star reviews are School 154 00:10:52,500 --> 00:11:00,120 teachers or bus drivers or lawyers or whatever else it is that they do rather 155 00:10:57,180 --> 00:11:04,680 than Tech reviewers I mean I don't doubt that it's a lot better than their old TV 156 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:08,820 that's kind of how technology goes but compared to other options that you can 157 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:13,620 get in this same price range like this TCL 5 series Roku TV that does have 158 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:19,079 local dimming or this Vizio M series with AirPlay Chromecast variable refresh 159 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:23,700 rate and local dimming the Fire TV Omni really struggles to stand out I mean 160 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:27,480 maybe if you're really into Amazon's Special Sauce features like the 161 00:11:25,380 --> 00:11:32,040 microphone which thankfully includes a physical disable switch or the webcam 162 00:11:29,579 --> 00:11:37,019 support for video chat which is coming in a future update and AirPlay support 163 00:11:34,140 --> 00:11:42,720 which is also coming in a future update then I guess maybe you could kind of 164 00:11:40,140 --> 00:11:45,720 justify it but for my part I think it's fair to say that Kirkland probably would 165 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:50,579 have done it better 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