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It's like nine steps to use a Paske, but I'm in I've hacked the main frame

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Paske's are a sham dude. You're a sham. It's all it's all a sham. You're a sham. Got him

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People use Paske's and then they're just just as annoying as everything everything's annoying life is annoying. Yep, and then you die

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What's up gamers the only reason we tolerate life is because it's so much better than the alternative it is incredibly better than the alternative

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That is Unless you ask open AI

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Yeah, we'll be talking about that this week is over the topics

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And that was brutal. I didn't know that was one of the topics but I I'm sure I know what one you're talking about and like

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Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow Wow. First dream with a nice sniff. Yeah, sorry about that

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Sorry

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Sorry, I just have to finish my bag of 150 calorie cookies.

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What's the marijuana policy at work?

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Can you guys not even ask?

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What? What's the marijuana policy at work?

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Can you not even ask? What does that mean?

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Oh, I think they're asking if I think someone's high at work.

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Am I not allowed to ask them if they're high?

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I have no idea, but I wouldn't care about that. I would just be like, you're high, go home.

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Like, I don't really, yeah, no, you're not allowed to be high at work.

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That can't be true. Is it illicit substance?

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It can't be inebriated. Are you both on like...

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What? So much meth. A derivative of meth?

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No, what are you talking about? We're not inebriated at work, Luke.

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Yeah, but you said you can't be on any substance. Right.

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It can't be true. I think...

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Are you talking about like caffeine? Substances is a stand-in for like inebriated substances.

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Illicit substances? Illicit substances, but then alcohol's not illicit.

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Neither is weed. Well, maybe it should be. Alcohol?

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I mean the prohibition proponent over here, ladies and gentlemen.

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It clearly didn't work, so whatever, but...

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Look at this guy happy being alive.

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What, do you like your brain cells or something? They're pretty neat.

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I think the... They're useful during work hours.

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Are you suggesting you want organized crime?

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No, but I'm also from BC, so like...

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Basically, everything here is organized crime.

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If organized crime didn't exist, I think BC would be like insanely different.

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I suspect BC would change more than potentially almost anywhere in North America, at least.

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Yeah, it might have affordable housing. Maybe.

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Everyone would realize there's no organized crime anymore, and then they would move here.

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And then they'd move here. And then the housing price would go back up. We're screwed.

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Yeah, no, damned if you do, damned if you don't, Luke.

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Yep. Basically, everyone that I know has had like an interaction with like very high-level organized crime,

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whether they wanted to or not. Like, it was a not incredibly uncommon occurrence for like in-home installers at Geek Squad to like be like,

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oh, wow, this is definitely just Hell's Angels stuff.

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I was gonna say I haven't.

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And then I remembered the neighbors we had in Maple Ridge.

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Yeah, basically, everybody has. It's just so normal here that you like don't really think about it.

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It's like crazy.

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Does Black Rock count as organized crime? That's a...

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That's a question for the ages, I think.

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That's like highly organized crime. Yeah.

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So... Sophisticated organized crime. At what point is it so organized that they basically bought everyone who could define it as crime?

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World crime. Yeah, because I mean like, I've always had, I've always really struggled with this.

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Like, what's the difference between, you know, me ordering a hit on someone and a head of state ordering a hit on someone?

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Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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Right? Like... Mm-hmm.

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You know? Yeah. And then...

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Diplomatic community. That's a good... Yeah.

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Diplomatic community does seem like it would be a heck of a drug, dude.

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Ha ha ha.

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Looking like it's from the mob confirmed. No, it's just, there's so much.

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Like, man, if you ever want to dive into it, the level of organized crime and money laundering in BC is like a hell of a thing.

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And when you're up here, it's like very common to be like, huh?

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You look at the job market in BC.

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You look at the average rate of like, posted income in BC.

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And then you look at the stuff.

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And it's like, what's going on? Something's weird.

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Like, one of the most egregious ones was like, one of the in-home installer guys at Geeksquad rolled up to a house and there was like,

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insane cars all in front of the house. It's this huge mansion.

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He had effectively what was described as a monster truck in the driveway.

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And I don't think they mean just like a normal jacked truck.

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I think they mean like he had tires that were taller than him.

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He walked inside beautiful house.

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Dude offered him a beer and he's like, well, no, I'm on shift and he just laughed.

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And then as he was leaving, he was like, guess what I do for work?

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And the guy's like, what do you do for work?

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And he's like, I install refrigerators and then just burst out laughing.

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And then the dude left. It was like very obviously like, no, that's not what he does.

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I don't know. You don't know how big those refrigerators are.

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You don't know how much the...

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No, it was implied that he was like the installer.

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Like he didn't like own the business or something.

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It's like, okay, all right. Where does he install those refrigerators?

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Six feet underground. What's in them?

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That's true. He installs refrigerators in the ground.

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That's honestly to be easily scannable, I guess.

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Why are you thinking about that?

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Why does that matter? I'm wondering how effective it would be. And I feel like it would be more effective to not put it in a refrigerator.

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Why does that matter? What do you mean? Why do you need to know that?

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I got to make sure he has gainful proper employment.

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We need our mob employee. The person in the fridge?

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Nope. Nope. They're already out of the game.

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All right. So anyway, before Luke ices anyone...

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Very good. We should just start the show.

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So boy, easy copy says my dad's pretty wealthy

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and he installs large fridges for restaurants.

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Does he? Is he the stellar or does he like own the business?

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Luke's asking too many questions for the mob. See, I'm not.

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I don't think I asked almost any questions.

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I made statements. Yes, quizzical statements.

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Apparently icing someone has a different meaning these days.

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I'm not familiar with that. Last I heard it.

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Is it like giving them jewelry or something stupid?

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Oh, really? Yikes. Yikes.

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I was muted. American ice.

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Apparently can also mean intentionally creating a barrier around someone

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excluding them from conversation or an activity. But that's AIs.

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Who knows? I feel like that's made up.

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What is getting iced? Heard it on the STF podcast and now Ozone tweeted about it.

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Anyone know? Basically someone hides a smirnoff somewhere

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and if another person runs into it or finds it, they have to get on one knee and chug it.

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Yeah, I know that one. Shut up. Is that a thing?

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Yeah. Okay, so... It's like you have to one-shot it or something.

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What were these guys talking about? You have to one-shot it? Yeah, you have to just chug the whole thing and won't go.

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But it's... Alcoholism, I guess.

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Okay. Yeah. I was going to say, but it's vodka and then I was like...

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Technically, yes, it is. Right. Technically, is it just terrible?

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It's terrible, right? I think it's like a... Because it's like cheap and...

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Well, you know, since Smirnoff iced the cooler ones basically, like it's a lower alcohol percentage than just like...

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Yeah, they're like... Smirnoff. Yeah, they're like...

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Smirnoff vodka at the level of like... Oh!

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Beer or less than beer. No, it's more than beer. Shut up.

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What is it? Well, there's... It depends because there's incredibly high alcohol percentage beer.

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Nice. Yeah. Is it called nuclear penguin or something?

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Smirnoff ice. Four and a half to five percent. So it's like a beer.

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That's more than beer. I didn't...

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Tactical nuclear penguin.

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Thirty-two percent.

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Alcohol content beer. That sounds unpleasant.

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It probably is. I drink one occasionally that's like twelve and a half percent.

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My dad must have... That's a little much. My dad must have only drank light beers or something then

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because I... Yep, apparently that's... Like a Bud Light's like a three percent or something.

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Yeah, okay. Fair enough. I only know from like...

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Alcohol my parents drank because I don't... I don't drink.

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Yeah. Sobcannon says Linus, American beer is weak.

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Yeah, fair enough. People drink a twelve pack of like Bud Light or something.

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Got people in chat talking about thirty-two percent alcohol beer.

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That's what I just said. Tactical nuclear penguin. That's crazy.

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It sounds awful. Yeah, it probably is.

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But the point is to just get hammered I assume by the time...

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Honestly, I feel like it was some brewmaster just trying to accomplish

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like a technical feat more than anything. And then it's like almost like a gag gift.

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Like I think you buy one to try it and then you never buy one again.

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That makes sense. I highly suspect that's the deal.

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All right. Should we do this thing? Let's do this thing.

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I'm going to do the thing. Sounds good. Yeah.

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Resuming the selected now.

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Oh crap.

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I don't have a dashboard Dan so feel free to tell me.

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What's up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show.

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We've got a great show lined up for you guys today.

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Android has become Apple side loading.

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What? Who needs it? Who needs side loading?

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Why would you want to install any app you want? You should just install all the curated apps from the app store.

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Good job Google. You're doing great.

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In other news, GPUs are...

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Oh, actually no. I'm going to go with a different one.

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Framework has done the impossible. Investment disclosure.

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They have somehow convinced NVIDIA to go along with their weird science fair project of a laptop

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and provide an upgradeable GPU module for it.

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With team green graphics. Whoa.

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Right? Whoa. Whoa indeed.

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That's weird. But cool. Also, the most important thing to me is a topic that I just titled in all capitals.

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Is Battlefield going to be awesome? And then like 12 question marks.

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Because my two most major concerns from the beta are maybe being addressed.

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We'll talk about that. And I don't know for the last topic.

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But those are your major concerns. But what about your sergeant concerns?

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And general concerns. I have those as well.

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Do you have general concerns? I have general concerns. Okay.

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All right. Also, OpenAI is terrifying or something.

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Yeah. We talk about it every week.

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This one's bad.

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The show is brought to you today by Factor, Miro, and Ugreen.

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And of course, we've got our RAP partner, Dbrand, our laptop partner,

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Let's jump right into our headline topic, which is, of course, that Android has become

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what they set out to destroy earlier this week.

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Android announced that you shouldn't have to choose between open and secure.

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And they're now announcing that app developers will need developer verification

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even if the app is being side loaded.

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Huh? How would that even work?

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There's a rollout period for this. Starting in October of this year where Android verification will enter early access.

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In March, 2026, it will be open to all developers.

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And in September, 2026, these requirements will go into effect for Brazil, Indonesia,

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Singapore, and Thailand. And in 2027, this will roll out globally.

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Many developers are calling into question the reasoning for this

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since in the Android developers blog post written by Suzanne Frey,

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VP of product trust and growth for Android, she states,

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think of it like an ID check at the airport,

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which confirms a traveler's identity but is separate from the security screening of their bags.

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We'll be confirming who the developer is,

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not reviewing the content of their app or where it came from.

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Now, hold on just a gosh darn second.

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How do you differentiate in the case of an app the difference between where it came from

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and who developed it? Huh?

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I, I, I question you this.

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I don't think the where it came from even matters, which is probably why they don't care.

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Her analogy makes no sense. No.

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Think of it like an ID check at the airport,

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which confirms a traveler's identity but is separate from the security screening of their bags.

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So we'll be confirming who the developer is,

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not reviewing the content of their app or where it came from,

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but is not where it came from the developer.

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No, I think they mean like, was this on a SDK download site?

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I think they mean where was the, the source that the user got it from,

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not necessarily did they get it directly from the creator.

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I think that's what she means. Does it matter?

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No, in my opinion. There are more details to come,

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but what we're expecting based on what we know so far is this will work similar to Apple in the EU.

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Apple recently was mandated to allow side loading on their devices using a similar verification method.

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This did not prevent Apple, however, from removing a popular torrenting app,

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iTorrent from Alt Store Pal, which is a popular alternative app store for iPhone.

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So basically what this looks like to me is that Google has been carefully watching

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the sort of sidelines, like if you think back to when Epic sued Apple and Google.

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See, people kind of forget that Epic sued both of them because Apple is a much more exciting headline

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and, you know, finding any cracks in Apple's walled garden was a much more tantalizing, you know, Apple.

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But no, Epic very much sued both Apple and Google over the monopolies of their various ecosystems.

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And it seems to me like Google has been watching extremely interestingly from the kind of sidelines

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to see what exactly it is that Apple can get away with here, to see what they can also lock down.

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And I think we're just kind of arriving at the logical conclusion,

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which is that, well, okay, if this is where the line is going to be, then we might as well be there.

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But I got to say, as someone who very much enjoys the side loadability of apps for Android,

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I don't really know what to do about this.

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What does this actually change?

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Because, like, if they're not inspecting the contents of the app, they're just checking who it's signed by.

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Who cares?

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Wow, that's a hot take and a half. Is there only certain developers that they're going to allow?

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Like, what is the next step in this, effectively?

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Like, is it going to be an allow list? So you have to be a known publisher by the Google Play Store in order to be sideloaded.

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The end of revamped if sideloading is gone.

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Yeah, so like they might preemptively ban certain developers.

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But then could you just sign as a different developer?

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But then you would also probably get banned for introducing some app that they don't approve of.

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But they're saying that they're not inspecting the apps. Sure, but like, come on, how long is that going to last?

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Well, that's what I'm saying is, like, as its current state, it doesn't feel like it does anything.

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So what is their next step? Because I didn't lay that out.

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I mean, getting rid of apps they don't like. Because otherwise, what would be the point?

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I don't like it. What I want to follow this up with is, how's Graphene going?

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Oh. Because honestly, immediately upon reading this, I was just like, it's just another flag that I need to get out.

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So, Graphene's cool. Yes.

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As we talked about offline, we do have lives outside of Wanshow where we occasionally communicate with each other outside of Wanshow.

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So as we talked about already, there is a way to get call screening.

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You can just, like, get the Pixel dialer app.

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And it'll just, like, include Pixel features. And the Graphene OS team's sort of position on installing apps like Facebook or apps like the Pixel dialer is that, oh, you know, yeah, okay.

00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:12.960
You are giving up some of the privacy that you might have with Graphene OS.

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Sorry, I keep picking up, holding up this phone. It's on another one.

00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:23.960
You are giving up some of the privacy that you might normally have with Graphene OS by installing those things.

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But it is most, certainly, assuredly better than running those applications in a not sandboxed version of Google's services and ecosystem.

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I had originally been like, well, if I'm going to, like, compromise the wall, why bother?

00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:43.960
But then ever since hearing that statement, it's been like, all right, I'm going to wait for you to finish.

00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:47.960
Yeah. But I might dive in. I am already running into some issues.

00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:51.960
Okay. So here's an interesting one. I don't necessarily mind some issues.

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So, offy, for instance. Okay.

00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:57.960
If I try to sign into it, so let's go ahead and...

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Nope, that is not my correct phone number.

00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.960
Here, I'm just going to get the exact right number.

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Ah, yes. This device does not meet the minimum integrity requirements.

00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:26.960
So, it turns out that there are some ways that Google does attempt to exert some control over device security.

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In this particular case, there is not...

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As far as I'm aware, not a meaningful impact on the actual security of that particular API that offy is utilizing.

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But if app developers... Sorry.

00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.960
I might have missed something. You said Google... Authy's...

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So, is this... Authy's using like a secure check API of some sort.

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I forget what it's called from Google. Got it.

00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:58.960
Yeah. You're not stuck with Authy.

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I can migrate off of Authy. In fact, I chose Authy like back before they were acquired and it was a whole...

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It was a whole thing. It was a good choice at the time. It was like the choice at the time.

00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:12.960
And since then, I think people have moved on mostly to like Entei.

00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.960
I think that's how it's pronounced. Yeah.

00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:18.960
So, I can... There's a few now. Yeah.

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So, I could definitely move off of it. It's not a deal breaker. But it's just one app that I've found that due to a choice by the app maker simply will

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not run. And as far as I can tell, there's no real work around for it.

00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:38.960
Another big category of apps that is challenging for the Graphene OS team is banking apps.

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Not because, again, not because there's any evidence that I've yet seen that you must

00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.960
use this integrity API. I keep forgetting what it's called.

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I'm sorry, guys. Play Integrity API. I think that's the one, TZN.

00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:58.960
Not because, as far as I can tell, there's a meaningful security advantage to using it,

00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:03.960
but because it is a thing that exists that some app developers have chosen to use.

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And if they have, well, too bad.

00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:12.960
The good news is my bank doesn't use it.

00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.960
So, that's good for me. For now. For now.

00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.960
But yours might. Right.

00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:25.960
So, overall, I'm pretty, I'm pretty jazzed about certain things.

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Check this out. Just how responsive it is.

00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.960
It's flipping. It looks fast. How's your battery usage?

00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:39.760
Fast. Because my phone right now, the only thing that's sort of tempting me on getting a 10,

00:23:39.760 --> 00:23:46.860
which I don't want to do and almost certainly will not do, is that my phone is usually,

00:23:46.860 --> 00:23:50.860
if I don't plug it in near the end of the night before I've gone to sleep, it will die

00:23:50.860 --> 00:23:54.860
on me almost every day.

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Well, part of the problem for me to kind of, I don't have an apples to apples comparison

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for you because I'm running the 9A for both my, my like daily driver, which I actually,

00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:11.860
I finally finished signing into all my crap on this on my recent trip.

00:24:11.860 --> 00:24:14.860
So I'm going to be popping my sim in it this weekend.

00:24:14.860 --> 00:24:19.360
But the Pixel 9A has like fricking legendary battery life.

00:24:19.360 --> 00:24:22.860
Like I'm at 83% right now and I've used it today.

00:24:22.860 --> 00:24:27.860
Yeah. Like I can barely kill this thing in a day if I try.

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Yeah. This thing's been a bit of a tank the whole time.

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And I do like, it's pretty common, like this is just because I didn't plug my phone in

00:24:38.620 --> 00:24:40.620
last night. Right.

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That I'll like go for a walk or something when I do that, I'll play Pokemon Go and that

00:24:46.620 --> 00:24:50.120
will battery hog like crazy. So that kind of makes sense. Okay.

00:24:50.120 --> 00:24:53.120
That's what you get. No, for sure. Gamer.

00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:58.620
Gamer time. But even when I don't, it's, it's pretty bad.

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Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, I guess, oh man, what's going to happen if I had to make a bold prediction?

00:25:07.340 --> 00:25:11.460
I mean, Graphene OS is already a thing.

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Do we see more mainstream acceptance of alternative androids?

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Like do we go back to all the cool kids running Cyanogen mod?

00:25:21.340 --> 00:25:26.060
Hopefully. Cause so far, it does feel like there's a bit of a wave going on.

00:25:26.060 --> 00:25:31.660
I do to give them credit, not to, not to not give them credit to actually straight up give

00:25:31.660 --> 00:25:40.100
them credit. A lot of it is Steam OS, just normalizing Linux usage, but I think also just Windows

00:25:40.100 --> 00:25:49.540
being really annoying and the, the mobile platforms getting more overtly anti-user

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instead of just kind of like shrugging it off with these lawsuits going on and them

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fighting it so hard and like clearly trying to skirt right along legal boundaries and

00:25:57.900 --> 00:26:01.740
stuff like that. Most people aren't paying any attention to that though. Yeah.

00:26:02.740 --> 00:26:06.940
You get the hardcore as the enthusiast first, then it leaks a little bit.

00:26:06.940 --> 00:26:12.860
I don't, I don't ever think a thing that you have to mod is going to be fully mainstream

00:26:12.860 --> 00:26:19.100
at pretty much any point. But what if someone could deliver a pre-modded product?

00:26:19.100 --> 00:26:23.300
So you know, what if, what if the Graphene OS team, if you hit a certain amount of enthusiast

00:26:23.300 --> 00:26:28.500
gets hardware interest, then those types of things become more and more viable.

00:26:29.140 --> 00:26:36.060
That's gonna, oh man, that'd be a huge tipping point because like the edge that Google has

00:26:36.060 --> 00:26:39.620
and that Apple has, it's in the camera.

00:26:39.620 --> 00:26:47.020
Yeah. It's in the camera. And so like that's been a differentiating feature for phones for so long and it is genuinely

00:26:47.020 --> 00:26:51.980
important even to normies who don't really care that much about anything else to do with

00:26:51.980 --> 00:27:02.620
their phone. Like if it didn't matter, we, so many more of us would be using vivo phones or the honor

00:27:02.620 --> 00:27:07.460
or whatever else. And I know there are markets where those brands are more popular, but at least in North America

00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:11.940
man, the camera seems to be just such a huge selling point.

00:27:11.940 --> 00:27:18.340
And other than the big players, it's, it's pretty tough to deliver an outstanding camera

00:27:18.340 --> 00:27:28.140
experience. Then again, yeah, I mean, that's a really great point in Flowplain Chat is if the camera

00:27:28.140 --> 00:27:33.860
mattered so much, then Sony shouldn't, Sony shouldn't have faltered the way that they

00:27:33.860 --> 00:27:39.660
did. I mean, they, they had pretty outstanding cameras. So it's, it's going to be, it's hard for me to predict what the future will hold.

00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:46.300
But honestly, I think most people these days genuinely, where would I put it?

00:27:46.300 --> 00:27:51.180
I think it's all, I think it's fair to say over 75% are just buying out of habit.

00:27:51.180 --> 00:27:54.500
Oh dude, that's huge. Okay.

00:27:54.500 --> 00:27:57.580
So there's definitely some weirdness. I just opened Facebook.

00:27:57.580 --> 00:28:03.180
Whoa. And it's just, it's just flipping out session expired, log back in.

00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:06.180
Let's see. It's logging out now.

00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:11.060
Okay. Did we do it?

00:28:11.060 --> 00:28:14.420
So has it been the most seamless of experiences?

00:28:14.420 --> 00:28:20.100
No. And can you do me a super huge solid favor and kind of mark this timestamp and email

00:28:20.100 --> 00:28:23.180
that to me for my Graphene OS video?

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It's, it's, dude, it's so frustrating. It's hard sometimes for me to catch some of the behavior that I notice on devices as I'm

00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:33.540
working through reviewing them or daily driving them.

00:28:33.540 --> 00:28:36.900
And so I'll, you know, I'll go out on camera and I'll say, yeah, the latest iOS is like

00:28:36.900 --> 00:28:41.380
a glitchy piece of shit. And people be like, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

00:28:41.380 --> 00:28:44.380
I'm like, well, okay, but that doesn't change that.

00:28:44.380 --> 00:28:51.940
That was my experience. And so it's, it's great when I can like document these things that are just unequivocally weird

00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:56.260
buggy behavior. The Facebook app should never do that.

00:28:56.260 --> 00:29:00.740
That's not a feature of the Facebook app to move around like that.

00:29:00.740 --> 00:29:06.060
Yeah. When you first open it. Oh, this is, but you probably don't need the Facebook app.

00:29:06.060 --> 00:29:17.020
So maybe you'll be okay. I don't know if I care cause like if a very small number of apps work fine, if all of

00:29:17.020 --> 00:29:21.860
the rest of them have glitchy bugs, that's probably a good thing overall.

00:29:21.860 --> 00:29:27.860
If I could like designate on my phone, I want this, this particular app to like error out

00:29:27.860 --> 00:29:31.100
relatively often. I would probably do that.

00:29:31.100 --> 00:29:35.940
I'm not even kidding cause there are certain things that I like have to have installed,

00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:39.420
but I don't want them installed and I have to use them for like work and then they might

00:29:39.420 --> 00:29:44.740
distract me. And if it was just like error out, I'd be like, oh, right, I need to go do something

00:29:44.740 --> 00:29:50.540
else anyways. Okay. Um, I think the setting screen time limits and why do that?

00:29:50.540 --> 00:29:55.380
Yeah. Sure. I just think that might be a better approach than just this app that I'm just saying,

00:29:55.380 --> 00:30:00.260
I don't think it's going to bother me crashes. I don't think it's going to bother me.

00:30:00.260 --> 00:30:04.660
I mean, it's probably me to log back in.

00:30:04.660 --> 00:30:10.300
Do you, do you not get bothered when you have to log into something to the main Facebook

00:30:10.300 --> 00:30:14.420
app? Uh, no, I don't think it's going to bother me.

00:30:14.420 --> 00:30:17.500
If messages did that, I would get annoyed. Okay.

00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:20.740
So you don't get to pick which apps glitch do I have and you don't get to pick how they

00:30:20.740 --> 00:30:24.460
glitch. But that's why I said it. If very specific ones worked totally fine.

00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:27.460
Okay. Then. Sure.

00:30:27.460 --> 00:30:30.980
Yeah. Do I have the main, yeah, I have the main Facebook app. I don't think I've ever used it.

00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:33.820
Do you need, you must need it for like a, nah.

00:30:34.820 --> 00:30:39.260
See, there's always like a thing on it that I need and then it has 30 other things that

00:30:39.260 --> 00:30:43.460
are really annoying and then it will send the notifications and stuff for the other things

00:30:43.460 --> 00:30:47.780
and I don't want them. Yeah. I'm going to have to figure this out because it's like doing it every time.

00:30:47.780 --> 00:30:51.340
Every time I click log in, it's like flipping its biz.

00:30:51.340 --> 00:30:56.300
Oh, this is that. This is not something that I had encountered so far.

00:30:56.300 --> 00:31:00.020
Okay. Am I quite ready to put the sim in it?

00:31:00.020 --> 00:31:03.180
Sure. You know what? I'll go for it.

00:31:03.220 --> 00:31:06.340
I'll just not use Facebook. I guess. Nice.

00:31:06.340 --> 00:31:09.340
Good luck everybody. Do you know how much I love my marketplace?

00:31:09.340 --> 00:31:14.140
I feel like that's rough for you because it's a marketplace. I wish there was a separate marketplace app, but they'll never do that because they want

00:31:14.140 --> 00:31:17.740
you to see all the other genres. That's right. That's how they get you.

00:31:17.740 --> 00:31:22.180
All right. Why don't we jump into our next topic? You want to pick it?

00:31:22.180 --> 00:31:25.180
Sure. Battlefield. Okay.

00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:28.260
We're talking about Battlefield, which I know nothing about.

00:31:28.260 --> 00:31:32.380
So I guess Luke's going to be leading this topic. You've played Battlefield in the past, right?

00:31:32.380 --> 00:31:39.140
I have played... Honestly, for this discussion, like the older, the better.

00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:42.140
About... Hold on.

00:31:42.140 --> 00:31:47.540
Let me think. Let me check what the cover art was, which should give you some idea because it came in

00:31:47.540 --> 00:31:51.100
a box. I'm assuming it's 1942.

00:31:51.100 --> 00:31:56.180
I played maybe an hour or two of Battlefield 2.

00:31:56.180 --> 00:32:02.940
Okay. Sure. So Battlefield 3, Battlefield 4 era, and previous...

00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:07.700
Oh, no. I played a little bit of Battlefield 4. That's the one with the destructible environments, right?

00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:10.820
Are you sure you never played 1942? Everybody played 1942.

00:32:10.820 --> 00:32:17.620
Load of the box art. Load of the box art. Do you know how it makes people feel when you say everyone something?

00:32:17.620 --> 00:32:22.340
Load of the box art. You know, everyone loves ice cream.

00:32:22.340 --> 00:32:25.340
And then if you don't love ice cream... Do you hate it when I say that? And then if you don't love ice cream...

00:32:25.340 --> 00:32:28.820
Do you hate it when I say that? Do you feel left out?

00:32:28.820 --> 00:32:34.100
You feel isolated. Like you're not one of everyone. Do you feel left out for not playing 1942?

00:32:34.100 --> 00:32:40.900
Literally everyone, you know. If I said everyone has an LTT screwdriver, you'd be like...

00:32:40.900 --> 00:32:47.860
You don't exaggerate stuff? But I... You crying right now is not an exaggeration at all?

00:32:47.860 --> 00:32:52.380
No, I never played 1942.

00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:56.900
Okay. Basically, three, four and before.

00:32:56.900 --> 00:33:03.980
They all had server browsers and at least some apps that were enormous.

00:33:03.980 --> 00:33:06.980
Shut up. What?

00:33:06.980 --> 00:33:12.660
Are they bringing back like a server list?

00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:16.620
Can people host their own servers? They're bringing back server browsers.

00:33:16.620 --> 00:33:22.180
What? So the Battlefield 6 Open Beta, this is news from like 10 hours ago.

00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:25.180
That's illegal. The Battlefield 6 Open Beta. That's illegal.

00:33:25.180 --> 00:33:28.540
Stop. Stop it. There was no server browser.

00:33:28.540 --> 00:33:32.340
You can't tell me something like this and then f***ing rug pulled me.

00:33:32.340 --> 00:33:35.340
You can't. It's not okay. We'll get there.

00:33:35.340 --> 00:33:38.340
We'll get there. There was no server browsers. Okay.

00:33:38.340 --> 00:33:42.580
I know. If I do not get a full release, you are responsible for my blue balls.

00:33:42.580 --> 00:33:46.220
If you don't get... Okay.

00:33:46.220 --> 00:33:53.180
It is only partial, but in my opinion, it's an only partial that is completely fine.

00:33:53.180 --> 00:33:57.140
That should, in my opinion, still give full release. Okay.

00:33:57.140 --> 00:34:01.300
Carry on. So in those play tests, there was two main problems that I had a bunch of problems, but

00:34:01.300 --> 00:34:07.140
there was two main problems that I had. The biggest, most important one was no server browser.

00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:11.660
My reason for that is Battlefield is a very varied game.

00:34:11.660 --> 00:34:15.060
Back in the day, all the maps were enormous and had tons of vehicles.

00:34:15.060 --> 00:34:19.340
And then as it started getting more modern, they got smaller and smaller maps trying to compete with Cod.

00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:23.380
And that was kind of okay, but if you didn't feel like playing a small map, you could just

00:34:23.420 --> 00:34:28.700
server browser and go to some 24-7 server and play whatever map you wanted as long as

00:34:28.700 --> 00:34:32.860
you wanted. Right? And then they took server browser away, and right around that same time, Battlefield

00:34:32.860 --> 00:34:39.340
went, the six open beta had no server browser and had a lot of really small maps.

00:34:39.340 --> 00:34:45.540
Even their biggest map honestly felt like one area of one of the old, really big maps

00:34:45.540 --> 00:34:52.340
in the old games. Jets like you could have permanent visibility on a jet as it flew around the map because

00:34:52.340 --> 00:34:55.860
the map was so small, like just didn't seem, it didn't feel right, right?

00:34:55.860 --> 00:34:58.860
It wasn't a battlefield. It was more of a battle area.

00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:02.020
I don't know. That old position.

00:35:02.020 --> 00:35:05.020
Battle room. Yeah. There you go.

00:35:05.020 --> 00:35:10.900
That old cubby. So people wanted bigger maps and people wanted a server browser.

00:35:10.900 --> 00:35:18.140
And then this article from Rock Paper Shotgun appeared on, oh my, with all the ads, appeared

00:35:18.140 --> 00:35:23.580
on my device, Battlefield six is getting persistent servers and two vehicle heavy maps are coming

00:35:23.580 --> 00:35:28.260
in the next lab's play test 24 seven insert map here only listings here we come.

00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:35.140
So the the asterisk as a couple of people in full plane chat have pointed out is that

00:35:35.140 --> 00:35:44.140
these persistent servers are for portal, which is like, that's a whole other game.

00:35:45.140 --> 00:35:51.900
Okay, this is like this is like Battlefield's version of Halo Forge.

00:35:51.900 --> 00:35:58.100
So it's user defined rules maps, basically, yeah, but that's what custom servers always

00:35:58.100 --> 00:36:01.460
were anyways. Yeah, pointed out like it's not the main modes.

00:36:01.460 --> 00:36:08.780
Yes. It's like, I don't know if I care. Well, yeah, I mean, 90% of them are going to be some bullshit mode that is stupid.

00:36:08.780 --> 00:36:13.860
Yeah. But then there will just be like 24 seven this 24 seven domination this map.

00:36:14.420 --> 00:36:17.420
It's like sick. That's what I want to play right now.

00:36:17.420 --> 00:36:20.420
Let's go. That's all I want.

00:36:20.420 --> 00:36:24.860
And it's totally fine. So I am very excited about this.

00:36:24.860 --> 00:36:31.220
I'm excited that they're doing vehicle heavy maps because vehicle heavy maps almost always

00:36:31.220 --> 00:36:35.740
tie into larger maps. And I think they need both.

00:36:35.740 --> 00:36:39.860
It was weird when there would be like one jet in the air on each team, because I remember

00:36:39.860 --> 00:36:44.740
back in the day, you like spawn at the airfield and there's like a few jets, two helicopters,

00:36:44.740 --> 00:36:48.980
maybe two large helicopters and one small helicopter, a like row of tanks.

00:36:48.980 --> 00:36:54.100
Like it was very vehicle heavy and and the the map save rolled out have been small and

00:36:54.100 --> 00:36:59.460
not very vehicle heavy. So, yeah, bigger, hopefully they didn't say that part, but they said vehicle heavy.

00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:03.860
So hopefully bigger, definitely vehicle heavy maps are coming in the next play test.

00:37:03.860 --> 00:37:11.900
And the like actual important part is the persistent servers.

00:37:11.900 --> 00:37:15.380
That's huge. That's very huge. That's interesting.

00:37:15.380 --> 00:37:20.740
So do you think part of this is looking at like the war funders and World of Tanks and

00:37:20.740 --> 00:37:28.620
Cods of the world basically going, OK, there is a smorgasbord of pointy, gunny, explodey

00:37:28.620 --> 00:37:35.060
at other guy, kaboom, go die, go bye-bye like games at this point.

00:37:35.060 --> 00:37:40.500
You know, what do we do at this to differentiate ourselves?

00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:47.020
Because just having good gunplay, I think I think you just take that for granted.

00:37:47.020 --> 00:37:55.020
Nobody's going to these days. Nobody's going to look at you twice. If you if you don't offer satisfying shooting mechanics, gun attachments, cool reload animations,

00:37:55.020 --> 00:37:58.020
all that kind of stuff. Yeah, all that stuff. It's been solved for quite a while.

00:37:58.020 --> 00:38:05.860
It's a given. So could this be and is this what you were hoping would be so exciting?

00:38:05.860 --> 00:38:15.580
Could this be a turning point where these guys go, oh, crap, OK, battlefield is stealing

00:38:15.580 --> 00:38:22.980
some of our market share by going back in time and doing things that players like.

00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:28.140
Maybe that's an idea that's worth exploring to do things that players like.

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Yeah. Sorry. One second.

00:38:31.140 --> 00:38:37.860
Yeah. I know. So, yeah, I think so.

00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:48.420
I think it's it's an interesting turning point. I genuinely like name name a triple a shooter that you've been excited about Halo Infinite.

00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:52.780
That was good. I still like it.

00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:59.500
I was I was playing the other day. How high would you rate it?

00:38:59.500 --> 00:39:03.860
Name the last triple a game that you don't have to do that or B plus when someone asks

00:39:03.860 --> 00:39:08.540
you how would you rate it? OK, hold on.

00:39:08.540 --> 00:39:11.540
Let me think. A shooter.

00:39:11.540 --> 00:39:20.380
Yeah. Oh, God. See, OK, I was actually I was actually pretty excited for Overwatch back when that was launching

00:39:20.380 --> 00:39:27.140
because it looked like Team Fortress 2, but like more Blizzard, which it's pretty much

00:39:27.140 --> 00:39:30.140
what it was. Yeah.

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And I never. Nine years. Yeah.

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Ah. Buh. OK.

00:39:36.140 --> 00:39:39.140
Hold on. Oh, God. Nine years.

00:39:39.140 --> 00:39:42.140
OK. Well, chat. Help me out here.

00:39:42.140 --> 00:39:45.140
Chat. Chat. Help me out.

00:39:45.140 --> 00:39:48.140
In my determination. OK. It's been basically nine years.

00:39:48.140 --> 00:39:54.740
OK. It's not triple a. It's just for back for blood, but then you also had the caveat that it was supposed to

00:39:54.740 --> 00:39:58.620
have been good. I never actually played that one because I heard it wasn't very good.

00:39:58.620 --> 00:40:03.140
Everyone just played Left 4 Dead again, which was cool for a little bit.

00:40:03.140 --> 00:40:06.140
Buh. Buh. Uh.

00:40:06.140 --> 00:40:09.140
Oh, my God. Yeah.

00:40:09.140 --> 00:40:12.140
Uh, wow. OK.

00:40:12.140 --> 00:40:16.780
Is Splitgate 2 actually triple a?

00:40:16.780 --> 00:40:20.860
I don't think so. I think that's like double a.

00:40:20.860 --> 00:40:26.500
I think that's double a. I'm talking big names, household name.

00:40:26.500 --> 00:40:29.500
Charge nuclear. Charge nuclear. I says Unreal Tournament.

00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:32.500
OK. All right. Oh, OK.

00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:37.780
OK. With that said, with that said, we should get some UT going at a whale and that would

00:40:37.780 --> 00:40:43.740
be freaking awesome. So yeah, I basically, it's been a hot minute and in my opinion, it's because studios have

00:40:43.740 --> 00:40:52.740
been focusing on the wrong things, all that kind of stuff. And the Battlefield 6 beta, to me, felt like maybe half a step in the right direction.

00:40:52.740 --> 00:40:57.060
OK. Like there was a lot of things that felt good about it, but like the lack of servers or browsers,

00:40:57.060 --> 00:41:03.180
the small maps, all these different things. They didn't really, it didn't feel fully correct.

00:41:03.180 --> 00:41:08.740
It's the first multiplayer shooter that I had some amount of fun playing by myself, which

00:41:08.740 --> 00:41:12.620
was a really good sign. Like without grabbing a crew. Yeah.

00:41:12.740 --> 00:41:17.740
I have a buddy that works on that team and I messaged him that being like, that was a

00:41:17.740 --> 00:41:23.780
really interesting sign. I found myself playing it so low and was like, whoa, because I don't know the last time I've

00:41:23.780 --> 00:41:27.260
done that to a shooter. You haven't even like gamed that much. Not really.

00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:30.320
By comparison to like before, the before four times.

00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.900
So it was like, it was in no small parts because games were kind of sucked.

00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:42.500
So it's interesting. I wish I could find his messages because I want to see the other complaints that I had.

00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:50.100
But really like above all was the map size and the, and the, um, and the no persistent

00:41:50.100 --> 00:41:53.100
maps. All right. Well, I'm hopeful.

00:41:53.100 --> 00:41:58.660
Oh yeah. So they did this thing where, and this will hopefully not happen on the persistent servers,

00:41:58.660 --> 00:42:03.980
but they had a thing where, uh, it would auto fill servers with bots.

00:42:03.980 --> 00:42:08.460
And I actually hated that because back in the day, it was kind of fun when like every

00:42:08.460 --> 00:42:14.940
single player that was on the server had a tank because there was only eight of us and

00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:18.780
there was, or maybe it was like two helicopters, three tanks, and it was like the war of that

00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:24.940
basically. That was fun and interesting. Like I didn't, battlefield is all about the emergent gameplay, in my opinion.

00:42:24.940 --> 00:42:28.380
The only in battlefield was their old tagline because they'd show like the weird stuff you

00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:37.220
could do in battlefield. That doesn't flourish when you're just stuffing it full of bots, um, yeah, no server browser,

00:42:37.220 --> 00:42:42.020
map sizes suck combat generally feels pretty good, uh, little light and fast, but it's

00:42:42.020 --> 00:42:46.060
not cod cancer. So I'll take it. And it sounds like they might have even slowed it down.

00:42:46.060 --> 00:42:54.500
The medic feels really cool. The medic feels overpowered, which I think is good right because when you see a medic,

00:42:54.500 --> 00:42:59.180
you should be like, Oh my God, let's war crime him basically because otherwise we're boned

00:42:59.180 --> 00:43:06.220
basically to be honest.

00:43:06.220 --> 00:43:09.780
Because like the, so the medic now gets paddles. Okay.

00:43:09.780 --> 00:43:13.140
And you can just, and somebody's up nice, which is crazy.

00:43:13.140 --> 00:43:17.460
And you can like, you're up, you're up, you're up, you're up, you're up. So you can like lift a whole team.

00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:21.180
What about Asia though? Oh my God.

00:43:21.180 --> 00:43:34.620
You can get a whole team up really, really fast. Never a land war in Asia, which is interesting because like you were saying, if you don't

00:43:34.620 --> 00:43:40.220
take the medic down, it's, it's like really hard to actually beat a team back.

00:43:40.220 --> 00:43:43.460
I think there's a certain amount of times that you can go down where you can't get brought

00:43:43.460 --> 00:43:48.600
back up anymore. And I know that if you get headshot by a sniper, I also thought this was a cool mechanic.

00:43:48.600 --> 00:43:52.300
You are fatally wounded. You can't come back. Oh, okay.

00:43:52.300 --> 00:43:55.900
That's cool. Which adds some interesting. What if you headshot by not a sniper?

00:43:55.900 --> 00:43:59.580
Then you can still be brought back up. Interesting. Okay.

00:43:59.580 --> 00:44:04.180
Which is, so it's interesting how they have like kind of hero mechanics in the classes, but not so much.

00:44:04.220 --> 00:44:07.820
Players will have a role on the team other than just being fucking assholes who don't

00:44:07.820 --> 00:44:11.060
actually help with anything. Yeah. Except they'll usually just counter snipe each other permanently.

00:44:11.060 --> 00:44:14.540
So they'll still feel that. Right. Yeah.

00:44:14.540 --> 00:44:17.540
Yeah. Okay. But some of them will understand.

00:44:17.540 --> 00:44:20.860
Great. Like there was some, there was a challenge where you had to get a certain amount of spots as a sniper.

00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:24.940
So I was playing sniper for a bit, but I played like relatively close range.

00:44:24.940 --> 00:44:29.140
And I would really go for those like close combat headshots and then you'd see medics

00:44:29.140 --> 00:44:33.700
run up to them and be like, and it doesn't do anything. And then you'd shoot them because you're a Canadian.

00:44:33.740 --> 00:44:40.140
Yes. Got it. And you think that's funny.

00:44:40.140 --> 00:44:43.140
Yes. Because you're a Canadian.

00:44:43.140 --> 00:44:44.140
Kansas food.

00:44:48.140 --> 00:44:51.140
Has it been long enough? Can we joke about that?

00:44:51.140 --> 00:44:54.140
Is that too soon? There's no way it's too soon.

00:44:54.140 --> 00:44:58.140
No, we're fine. It's been like 80 years.

00:44:58.140 --> 00:45:01.140
Oh my God. Yeah.

00:45:01.140 --> 00:45:04.140
Yeah. Nobody read up on Canadian history. We're nice.

00:45:04.140 --> 00:45:09.140
I'm sorry. We said we're sorry. What do you, what do you want?

00:45:09.140 --> 00:45:12.140
They were expired, I guess. Okay.

00:45:12.140 --> 00:45:15.620
They were expired.

00:45:15.620 --> 00:45:19.020
There was no war crimes in the Boston Sea. Someone expired.

00:45:19.020 --> 00:45:22.500
Oh boy. Into pieces. Do you want a different kind of canned meat?

00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:27.020
But yeah, anyway, it's tiny. He's still got 22 minutes. Yeah, I know, but it doesn't, you got to, when we're done the topic, you got to.

00:45:27.020 --> 00:45:30.700
I don't have, do you want to just move on? He's still got 22 minutes for topic two.

00:45:30.700 --> 00:45:35.580
Yeah. I don't have the third one. I don't, but you just put whatever the next thing is.

00:45:35.580 --> 00:45:38.580
Do you want to do the next thing? We'll do the next thing. Yeah, we'll do the next thing.

00:45:38.580 --> 00:45:42.060
We don't want to drag out topics. Ah, yes.

00:45:42.060 --> 00:45:45.620
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Tucson? Tucson? I don't know, whatever.

00:46:43.820 --> 00:46:51.980
It's America. I assume they're just pronouncing it all yeehaw and I'm going to say it wrong anyway.

00:46:51.980 --> 00:46:56.020
The point is that you'll be prompted in the cart to leave a merch message and it will go

00:46:56.020 --> 00:47:03.100
to producer Dan who will, I don't know, reply to it or put it down there or he'll curate

00:47:03.100 --> 00:47:10.180
it for me and Luke to respond to.

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What? Just say it. Tucson.

00:47:13.180 --> 00:47:19.420
Arizona? Yeah, he's talking about Tucson, Arizona.

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All right, it's a book where you can make notes and look at this.

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How cute is that? It has a little tablet on it. It looks like a little high-tech notebook but it's not actually tech.

00:48:33.020 --> 00:48:36.220
There's no tech in it. Also, water bottles and desk pads and stuff.

00:48:36.220 --> 00:48:40.260
Anyway, Dan, you want to show them how Merch Message works by reading one for us?

00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:44.100
Sure, I can do that. That's what I've done before. I've got a few here.

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This one here from Blake. Do you want to even do it again someday? Yeah, I mean, if this doesn't go very well, we'll see.

00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:55.180
Linus, you've said ADHD helps you move on fast.

00:48:55.180 --> 00:48:58.340
I jump from hobby to hobby and struggle to stick with things.

00:48:58.340 --> 00:49:02.540
Any advice on staying on track or turning that into a strength?

00:49:02.540 --> 00:49:12.780
Oh boy. Yeah, so I think the context that you're bringing up is when I said that it kind of helps me

00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:17.660
get bored of something before the audience has a chance to get bored of it, which in

00:49:17.660 --> 00:49:23.060
show business is kind of known as always leave them wanting more.

00:49:23.060 --> 00:49:30.620
It's pretty good in my career, but to your point, it also can prevent you sometimes from

00:49:30.620 --> 00:49:36.380
getting really into something with a level of depth that can turn you into a subject

00:49:36.380 --> 00:49:44.540
matter expert. Fortunately for me, I operate really well and I am able to perform well in my occupation

00:49:44.540 --> 00:49:52.900
as a generalist, kind of with a surface level knowledge of just about everything to do with

00:49:52.900 --> 00:50:00.140
tech and enough to ask the right questions to drill down the right amount to cover most

00:50:00.140 --> 00:50:12.580
topics even if they aren't things that I have done an entire postgraduate degree on.

00:50:12.580 --> 00:50:18.340
As for how you turn that into a superpower, honestly, it's like anything.

00:50:18.340 --> 00:50:26.100
If you have a horse that has the superpower of being able to sprint for exactly 12 seconds

00:50:26.180 --> 00:50:30.540
but then it needs to nap for two days, it's like, well, that superpower is literally only

00:50:30.540 --> 00:50:37.740
useful if it needs to run a 12 second race. So part of it might just be putting yourself in a position where you're running the right

00:50:37.740 --> 00:50:44.540
kinds of races that your powers are beneficial for because one of the things that I've discovered

00:50:44.540 --> 00:50:51.660
is that you can't really or I struggle to force myself to be interested in something.

00:50:51.660 --> 00:50:58.180
I can do it for a period. I can kind of make myself learn something that I don't care about.

00:50:58.180 --> 00:51:01.940
But what I've found is my retention of it is extremely poor.

00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:04.420
So good luck.

00:51:15.420 --> 00:51:18.460
Yeah, I'm going to call her in.

00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:29.820
Oh, that's a good question.

00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:33.060
I bet he hasn't looked at it in over a year. It's been a while.

00:51:33.060 --> 00:51:36.140
I was going to say like over two years, probably.

00:51:36.140 --> 00:51:42.100
It's been quite a while. We more look at like, oh, dude, Danny, we're muted darn it.

00:51:42.100 --> 00:51:46.860
They wanted to know how many gigabits does Floatplane push just kind of rough is fine

00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:50.380
and he's pulling out his phone. Yeah, give me a sec. He's going to go check it.

00:51:50.380 --> 00:52:01.340
Okay. Should we move on in the meantime while he looks this up? So one of the things is that I'm not going to be able to like effectively fully answer

00:52:01.340 --> 00:52:05.860
your question because it's like if you're talking about, yeah, if you're talking about

00:52:05.860 --> 00:52:12.140
peak, I won't have that metric in front of me right now, but peak is not as anywhere

00:52:12.140 --> 00:52:16.940
near as important to us as like monthly overall throughput and the reason for that is-

00:52:16.940 --> 00:52:21.860
And you may not like it, but that's what it looks like.

00:52:21.860 --> 00:52:25.220
You may not like it, but this is what monthly overall throughput looks like.

00:52:25.220 --> 00:52:35.020
Sorry. And one of the reasons for that is because we for VOD are using Cloudflare for delivery.

00:52:35.020 --> 00:52:40.420
So we will send up from our servers and I think this is probably what you expected.

00:52:40.420 --> 00:52:46.580
We will like if someone clicks on a video, sometimes it will come from our server up

00:52:46.580 --> 00:52:53.220
to Cloudflare and then to the user. A lot of the times it's already there and Cloudflare just sends it to the user.

00:52:53.220 --> 00:52:58.540
The most common situation where it's not already there is if you're the first view on a video

00:52:58.540 --> 00:53:06.700
because it hasn't cached it yet. So you're the person who instigated the move to transfer the video, not transfer, to copy

00:53:06.700 --> 00:53:13.060
effectively the video from our origin server up to, let's not at that point, somebody cached

00:53:13.060 --> 00:53:16.060
at this point. Oh, but it will. Yeah, yeah.

00:53:16.060 --> 00:53:21.180
You're instigating the caching of it. And then it goes from Cloudflare's servers to Cloudflare's edge servers, then it goes

00:53:21.180 --> 00:53:29.980
from Cloudflare's edge servers to you. A long time ago, we did this ourselves in a lot of locations, mostly North America and

00:53:29.980 --> 00:53:34.420
these days. Also Antarctica. Yeah, that was fun.

00:53:34.420 --> 00:53:40.020
And these days we're almost entirely doing it through Cloudflare unless you're doing

00:53:40.020 --> 00:53:44.740
a download and then that's coming from somebody else and then unless you're watching a live

00:53:44.740 --> 00:53:47.820
stream and that's coming from somebody else, unless you're doing X, Y, Z.

00:53:47.820 --> 00:53:52.380
So basically, I just hear a lot of excuses. I have an idea though.

00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:57.100
If we want to know the peak throughput, could you just look at it really quick?

00:53:57.100 --> 00:54:05.260
Not really. Like, it wouldn't be, oh my.

00:54:05.260 --> 00:54:08.260
Just real quick. Just, you know. My God.

00:54:08.260 --> 00:54:13.260
One of these days you're going to get hit.

00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:17.180
Oh my goodness.

00:54:17.180 --> 00:54:22.700
I'm trying to find, I don't remember where it is once again.

00:54:22.700 --> 00:54:25.700
Shall we do another one? Yeah, do another one. I'll keep looking.

00:54:25.700 --> 00:54:28.700
Yeah. Dig it up. Hi gang.

00:54:28.700 --> 00:54:36.060
Question for Linus. Investing or starting your own business? What moves you to either and what world would you start your own quote unquote framework

00:54:36.100 --> 00:54:39.580
or invest in a badminton center? Oh, wow.

00:54:39.580 --> 00:54:45.660
That's a, that's a, that's, that feels like a pretty deep question.

00:54:45.660 --> 00:54:52.980
Okay. So why don't we start with what made me make the various decisions that I made?

00:54:52.980 --> 00:54:57.900
Why, why invest in framework?

00:54:57.900 --> 00:55:01.140
So that was a pretty impulsive decision.

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I hadn't met anyone on their team. All I knew about them was the laptop that I was holding and their kind of vision for

00:55:10.620 --> 00:55:18.820
it, which I very much was in favor of creating a product like that from scratch felt completely

00:55:18.820 --> 00:55:22.220
outside of my area of expertise.

00:55:22.220 --> 00:55:28.020
And I don't mean in terms of like product definition. I think I probably could have done that pretty well.

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But what I didn't have was the contacts and the experience navigating the electronic supply

00:55:36.220 --> 00:55:41.340
chain to bring that all together and produce volume of it.

00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:47.780
I mean, that, that was the hard part. Prototyping the first framework 13, you know, I don't want to put words in their mouth,

00:55:47.780 --> 00:55:54.300
but I think they would probably say it was pretty easy, relatively speaking, but going

00:55:54.300 --> 00:56:02.980
from prototyping to building a relationship with suppliers like Intel with manufacturers,

00:56:02.980 --> 00:56:08.660
getting time on the assembly line allocated to you, there's a lot of more than just the

00:56:08.660 --> 00:56:17.380
costs. There's a lot of politics to play because every, every hour of every assembly line that

00:56:17.380 --> 00:56:22.300
they give to you is something that they could have given to some other product that might

00:56:22.300 --> 00:56:28.140
make them more money or might carry them political favor or might have some other, they might

00:56:28.140 --> 00:56:31.580
be able to use for their own products so they could make more profit.

00:56:31.580 --> 00:56:39.340
There's a lot at play when it comes to taking something from an idea to mass production,

00:56:39.340 --> 00:56:44.540
which is one of the big reasons that so many kick starters and so many startups in general

00:56:44.540 --> 00:56:52.980
fail. So why would I invest in framework? Because I wanted to be part of that journey, but I knew that I had absolutely no capacity

00:56:52.980 --> 00:56:56.900
whatsoever for making it a reality on my own.

00:56:56.900 --> 00:57:04.700
And it's not like I never thought of the idea of starting a PC manufacturer before the modern

00:57:04.700 --> 00:57:13.860
handheld PC era got, you know, sort of, I would say, not kicked off by the Steam Deck,

00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:22.620
but accelerated by the Steam Deck. It had occurred to me that I kind of thought a lot of the options that existed were okay,

00:57:22.620 --> 00:57:26.420
but there's things that I would have done differently and I did look at a company like

00:57:26.420 --> 00:57:30.660
I and Neo before they were acquired because that tends to happen when you're just a tiny

00:57:30.660 --> 00:57:34.900
inexperienced team and you bring a product to market, you know, I looked at something

00:57:34.900 --> 00:57:43.220
like that and I went, wow, that's like a really small team. Like, could we just hire a small hardware engineering and supply chain team and like

00:57:43.220 --> 00:57:46.340
make the LTT handheld?

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And then Valve launched the Steam Deck for like $350, $400 and I was like, okay, well,

00:57:50.900 --> 00:57:54.300
I'm glad I never had anything to do with any of that because then I would have just been

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out all of my investment and that would have been horrible.

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Yeah. Where was I going with this?

00:58:01.660 --> 00:58:08.580
Right. So it's not like it never occurred to me. I just, I looked at it and went, yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing with any of this.

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So I think it'd be better if I just butt out. And so I did.

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As for the badminton center, oh yeah, right. The last thing with framework is on the one hand, I was looking at it going, there's no

00:58:20.780 --> 00:58:24.780
way these guys have a shot. I'm throwing this money away.

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But on the other hand, they're like developing, we're going to be a laptop manufacturer.

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So if, if the slimmest of chances, victory, if somehow they managed to achieve some kind

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of scale, then I mean, theoretically the sky's the limit in terms of what the total addressable

00:58:46.740 --> 00:58:52.460
market is for their product. So it could be a good investment.

00:58:52.460 --> 00:58:59.100
It's like any early stage, like very early round or angel level investment where you

00:58:59.100 --> 00:59:02.660
just are kind of, you're throwing your money at something because you believe it has a

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shot or because you really appreciate the vision or in the case of me, because you believe

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you can bring something to it that will give it a better shot at success.

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And you throw that money in there and you go, goodbye money.

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And then maybe someday it comes back. But if it does come back, it should come back 10X or 100X rather than, you know, at a more

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predictable rate of return, like a few percentage points each year.

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Like you might get with sort of a more low risk investment strategy.

00:59:35.220 --> 00:59:41.660
Okay, badminton center. Why would I start my own instead of investing in a badminton center?

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Because before the show, a viewer sent in this, it's a, it's a, it's a birdarang.

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Okay. This is a, well, no, because of the incident.

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The incident. And it's technically a hard metal, you know, that sort of thing.

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Good job, Dell, our laptop partner for making that delightful noise with your metal chat.

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Oh, God, did I dent it? No, it's okay. That'll buff out.

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The point is, the point is, they sent me this, don't worry too much about that.

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Now I'm going to look for a word to describe investing in a badminton center because I'm

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looking for a word to describe investing in a badminton center.

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It would not be a very good idea.

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Badminton centers are quite possibly on this earth, one of the worst ways to make money.

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You need an enormous building. The court time is very inexpensive.

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You need a ton of parking.

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You can only have a fixed number of customers at a time that is dictated by how much room

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you have on the court. It's a very small amount of customers per square foot.

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Your busy hours of operation are irresponsible.

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That's the word I was looking for, bean 710 nailed it.

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That was the R-themed word that I was looking for. Responsible but with an I in front of it.

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Yeah, like Apple. Yeah. Like, you know, they were putting I on everything for a bit there.

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I responsible. I responsible. Right.

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Yeah. So, for sure. To be clear, to be clear, you know, before any, you know, LMGers are watching this going,

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well, like, what the heck, why are we funding a money losing badminton club or whatever?

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Relax, there is actually a path to profitability, but that path to profitability is not going

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to, like, it's not going to be sucking at the T of LMG forever.

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And in fact, already it's like kind of capital positive, but it's a little more complicated

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than that. But already, it is not a drain on any of our other resources.

01:02:17.180 --> 01:02:20.580
But usually when you invest in something, you want it to go, whew. Well, yeah.

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So, not being a drain is not usually like an investment indicator.

01:02:24.020 --> 01:02:32.420
Correct. Yeah. When you invest in something, you generally expect a competitive return on that investment

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compared to, I don't know, buying NVIDIA shares, not financial advice.

01:02:38.780 --> 01:02:44.100
So, yeah. Why did I choose to start a badminton club?

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Because I wanted a degree of control over that business that I felt I could with at

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least my contacts bring some expertise to.

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And it wasn't about pure return.

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Yeah. It was a life stream?

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Kind of answer the question. Oh, I always, yeah. I wanted my own club partially just because I wanted something closer.

01:03:10.540 --> 01:03:13.540
And it's pretty awesome. Yeah. And...

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Everything else is basically... I'm assuming there's one at least a little bit closer, Coquitlam, Burnaby, something?

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There's a couple in Poco. Yeah, but that's pretty far. And it's over the bridge, which means that traffic is variable.

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The bridge is quite the barrier. Yeah.

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With that said, with that said, Smash Champs is over the bridge for a lot of people and

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it's not that bad. A lot of our clientele is from like Surrey, Langley, Abbotsford, Maple Ridge Pit Meadows.

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People do come up from Delta, Delta as well.

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Most people aren't driving in from like Richmond, Vancouver.

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Burnaby though, actually, is pretty good for us as well. Yeah.

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I feel like if you're in Burnaby, bridges are part of life.

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Oh yeah. Oh yeah, it's bridges to anywhere.

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Yeah. Hold on. I got our question here.

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Big Sneak asks, Linus, would you be interested in renting the LAN party space to someone

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else hosting a LAN party?

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Probably not. One of the things I keep telling the Smash Champs team is in the absence of like a formal

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mission statement. Actually, I think we do have a mission statement. Anyway.

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The point is, I keep telling them, our guiding star should be asking ourselves, is this good

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for our premium members? Because the premium members, the ones that are committing to playing here and probably

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only here when you're paying that much and being part of our community, those are the

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ones that we should be making the same commitment back to and so we should always be asking ourselves

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when we do something, how does this benefit our premium members?

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This is off general topic for a WAN Show, but it's a continuation of this topic, so I'm

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going to send it. How is the food and drink situation coming?

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That's not. Ever or? Oh yeah, it will.

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Okay. Yeah. Because like to me, it feels like a pretty complete package except you can't get snacks

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even because if you could get like a healthy smoothie, like that pairs with go play badminton,

01:05:19.980 --> 01:05:23.900
go to the gym really effectively, especially if you had some protein options.

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Yeah, for sure. So what Luke's alluding to is when we built the kitchen, we couldn't find a good consultant

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slash, we were busy with a bazillion other things getting that place built out and we

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built our concession area with only one sink.

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And according to some bylaw that someone wrote somewhere, in order to do any kind of

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food anything, even as simple as heat up a hot pocket and hand it to someone, we need

01:05:49.420 --> 01:05:56.300
certification for the people that are working there. We need two sinks, one dedicated to washing up and one for everything else, I assume.

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I don't know. I haven't done the course. Yeah.

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And there's a bunch of other stuff we need. We need more venting. There's a whole bunch of stuff.

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That's going to require us to go back to permit. And so now that we have a grand opening tournament done, one of the tasks that our general manager

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has on his plate is to put together all the things that we want to do and do one permit

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application because one of the biggest obstacles to getting anything done, anything done for

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a business is waiting a thousand years for drawings to be done up and permits to be submitted

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and somebody to review them and revisions to come back and then you pay a whole whack

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load of money to consultants and whatever.

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And then finally, you're allowed to actually start building the bloody thing.

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And so being able to wrap all of that up into one permit application is going to be good.

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And we know it's possible because there's examples of it, like Gold's Gym in Langley

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has a like a smoothie and wrap little mini restaurant thing attached to it.

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It's doable. Like you guys might even get some interesting, I don't know how far you want to go with it,

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but you might get some money off of Uber Eats and stuff.

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Off of Uber. I doubt it.

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There's not much residential around there. So there'd be no reason to order from us versus something closer.

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Anyway, one of the other things we're going to do is we're going to add more showers

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at the back of Unit 102 and those will probably be premium member only.

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Is there like a wait for showers right now? Right now, there's only one shower per sex change room.

01:07:39.180 --> 01:07:45.420
So yeah, it's a bit of a challenge. Yeah, sure.

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Food truck would solve the issue. Yeah, one of the problems that people are spamming, invite food trucks.

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The problem is it's not invite food trucks. Yeah, it's pay for a food truck to be there because you have to pay a minimum regardless

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of how much they sell. Like food trucks, they don't just like, you can't just be like, oh, hey, bro, can you

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just like come chill with your food truck here? Yeah.

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Like, you know, all of their, all their stuff runs off of, you know, like gas or diesel and

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stuff. So they, like there's a significant cost to them sitting there running.

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Like, I get it and they're not, you know, they're not jerks or whatever for not showing

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up at our badminton club. They just have better things to do.

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And people are asking, could it be self-serve? Yeah, yeah. There's a microwave in the premium lounge upstairs so people can use that.

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I'm not saying. There's a fridge. Yeah, I'm not saying nobody can get a snack ever as it is right now, which is part of

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why it's not super urgent. Yeah, it's like totally fine because you could bring your shake or whatever you wanted and

01:08:42.660 --> 01:08:47.380
throw it in the fridge or whatever if you're a premium member, but it's still, it's nice.

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Oh yeah, 100%.

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Screw a tech yacht, says, clapped K2 for a cord.

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Tech food truck, food tech. I feel like that will eventually be a thing, but it'll just be robots making food.

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Oh my God, is that like a future version of food delivery?

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I think we can move on. Where it's like ultra fresh. Sure.

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Because they just made it outside of your door.

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Like the food delivery vehicle is just the restaurant.

01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:32.060
Thank you, Luke. And it's robo driven and robo made food.

01:09:32.060 --> 01:09:36.620
Patent vending. Thank you, Luke. And then a little robo dog thing walks it to your door.

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And then walks back and stashes inside the truck. Thank you, Luke.

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And then it just drives to the next location. I love this. And it cooks on the way.

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I love this. So it's piping hot when it gets to your door, instead of like, oh, it was driving over half

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an hour or whatever. Like pizza delivery, but it's a 900 degree oven that drives around.

01:09:52.900 --> 01:09:56.660
And then just. It's a stone oven. Yeah, it just gives it to you.

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Thank you, Luke. Come and collect your pizza. I'll be sick.

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In other news, I'll invest.

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We've read your comments. Scrapyard Wars waiting room.

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When is Scrapyard Wars part three? It is currently being QC'd by our team.

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We will have it ready sometime later today. And while you're waiting, Sammy's literally typing right now.

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Why not check out? Did it? Did it?

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Did it? Did it something? Okay.

01:10:26.020 --> 01:10:33.020
And he has decided to go and fix grammar somewhere instead of continuing to take the sentence.

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Where in the world is Sammy you? Why not? The state of the Labs, state of the lab, language, language, Sammy, language, what is he doing?

01:10:45.940 --> 01:10:48.940
Why is he? I don't know what he's doing. We're going to stop looking at him.

01:10:48.940 --> 01:10:55.500
All right. Anyway, the point is that over on the float planes, we have got some great exclusive

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updates right now. Let me see if I get a warmer on wheels.

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Part three. Okay. Thank you for that.

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Let's go. Very, very recently, two days ago, Luke, Nick Harris and Lucas from the lab sat down and

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did a 40 minute discussion on what exactly the heck is going on with LTT Labs.

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So that's going to be an awesome watch for y'all. If you are kind of curious what's going on behind the scenes over here, we also have

01:11:24.180 --> 01:11:28.260
behind the scenes and extras from the Witch Tech Tuber can build the best thousand dollar

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gaming PC as well as from our recent upload on Channel Super Fun.

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It's been a minute of Linus versus the badminton pros.

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So you guys saw on Channel Super Fun, the keyboard warriors versus the badminton pros

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with their various handicaps.

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Well now we've got Linus versus badminton pros with their various handicaps.

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They didn't end up needing quite as many to play against me.

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Playing against the keyboard warriors, they did a fine job.

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But yeah, I'm a fair bit better at badminton than the keyboard warriors.

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Were you solo against both of them? Well, yeah, but like they, that's a thing.

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I would play with singles lines. Did that make it over? No, I think I hit it out.

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You can tell because she's serving now that means they won the point.

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And they were, you know, they were nice to me, you know, she could have smashed that

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a lot harder. She decided not to. Like they're, they're not, they're not trying to make me look bad here.

01:12:29.500 --> 01:12:33.500
Yeah, they don't need to. No, I know, I get it.

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No, he's doing good.

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So you see how tight her net return is compared to mine?

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Incredible. Yeah. Like that, that's the thing.

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Damn good at this. That's the thing. You played a little bit of badminton, haven't you?

01:12:47.940 --> 01:12:51.940
That's professional. I love how you start fluffing them up on the one that he screws up.

01:12:51.940 --> 01:12:53.940
Oh, you know I'm joking.

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Professional players, Luke.

01:12:57.940 --> 01:13:00.940
Yeah, Luke. How is this happening?

01:13:00.940 --> 01:13:04.940
Are you going to go to sponsors? I got to go turn on Mark's computer.

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Luke is apparently supposed to talk about how he envisions Labs, the massive rehaul,

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and a new egg collab type thing. If Luke wants to talk about more, he could just not do the call to action below.

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I don't know what Sammy's talking about. Tune in next week and we'll release the final episode of Scrap Yard Wars and extra announcement.

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On September 9th, 10 a.m., we're doing a live stream director's commentary on all the episodes featuring

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David, Dan, Sammy, Natalie, Adam, and Hoffman, the main editor for Scrap Yard Wars 10.

01:13:38.940 --> 01:13:42.940
If this kind of content sounds interesting, check out LMG.GG slash Floatplane.

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Oh, that isn't things to say. Those are things that are in the video.

01:13:46.940 --> 01:13:53.940
It's not a new egg collab type thing. It's that we're going to be having new egg pricing on the lab's website.

01:13:53.940 --> 01:13:57.940
Oh, that's sick. Yeah. Like we'll just have an API and we'll just have pricing?

01:13:57.940 --> 01:14:00.940
Yeah. We're trying to do that with a lot of other stores.

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New egg has been the easiest to work with so far.

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Wow. Yeah. That's extremely exciting.

01:14:06.940 --> 01:14:12.940
Yeah. So in the bring your own price tool, there will be an option to insert a current price

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from various stores right now. It's just new egg, but theoretically in the future it'll be various stores.

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And when you're looking at a product review, it will show the currently pulled

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price from new egg and in the future, other stores.

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That's flipping awesome. Oh, it's out of Amazon. Who else do you plan on working with?

01:14:27.940 --> 01:14:34.940
We've reached out to a variety of people. Most people have ghosted us, which is neat.

01:14:34.940 --> 01:14:39.940
In Canada, I reached out to Canada computers, didn't get a response.

01:14:39.940 --> 01:14:45.940
I reached out. So if anyone from Canada computers is, you know, chillin, love to hear from you.

01:14:45.940 --> 01:14:49.940
Email from my LMG email instead of my full plane one.

01:14:49.940 --> 01:14:54.940
Yeah. And still didn't fully work, but you know, I'm hitting like public email inboxes.

01:14:54.940 --> 01:14:57.940
Yeah. So you never know. It might just take a while.

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It's fine. I'm not, I'm not cheesed or anything.

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We also reached out to Memex memory express.

01:15:04.940 --> 01:15:10.940
Yep. They responded really quick. They need some time, but they seem like they want to work with us.

01:15:10.940 --> 01:15:14.940
We reached out to B&H.

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They responded, but the person who would need to do it is on vacation.

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So that's currently pending. Makes sense. We reached out to a few other smaller retailers in the state.

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Someone said fries. No, did not reach out to fries.

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Didn't they go under? I thought so. Yeah.

01:15:30.940 --> 01:15:35.940
I think fries electronics is gone, bro. Micro Center has no interest at all.

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They're mostly not even a little bit.

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They're mostly brick and mortar focused. They want us.

01:15:41.940 --> 01:15:43.940
Yeah. No.

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Sure. We'll take that as an answer. Fair enough.

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Sure. We will. If the AI bros are doing it, why can't we, but, but yeah, we're going to, we're going

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to work with the companies that want to work with us at the very least first, you know.

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All right.

01:16:10.940 --> 01:16:14.940
Why don't we jump into our next topic?

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Valve has changed the steam user review system.

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This was actually last week, but I wanted to talk about it anyway.

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So let's make our way through the, the main notes here.

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Valve says they are trying to give a better indication of user sentiment by making some

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changes to steam's user review system, citing the fact that users in different regions of

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the world may have vastly different experiences of the same game, perhaps due to translation

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issues, cultural differences or poor network infrastructure.

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So with that in mind, Valve will start adding language specific review scores for games

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that have a large enough number of players.

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Ben Sledge of PC games and suggests there could be another reason for this change.

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Review bombing. Sledge gave the example of the recent review bombing of Baldur's Gate 3 by predominantly

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Chinese players who were upset that Black Myth Wukong didn't win Game of the Year.

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He noted that this new scoring system would prevent a review bombing in one language from

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impacting the scores seen by players of another language.

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I think this is super cool. Jordan Block adds, you might remember that Baldur's Gate 3 didn't win Game of the Year

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either. That was AstroBot.

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But that's not on Steam, and since Larian's Swen Vink announced AstroBot as the winner,

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close enough, I guess, bombs away.

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That's Jordan's comment. I actually don't know how all of that went down, but anywho...

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What? Yeah, but...

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What are you looking at?

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Oh, it won some Game of the Year awards. It won, like, an incredible amount of awards.

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Which one is he referring to specifically? I don't know.

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That's why I'm confused. Okay.

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Well, anyway... Look, this is what I'm talking about.

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I don't know what he's talking about. It won, like, an incredible amount of Game of the Year awards.

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Which one won the Game Awards?

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What year was that? The most recent winner is AstroBot.

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No, 1 in 2024. Baldur's Gate... Okay, I see what happened.

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AstroBot won in 2024. Baldur's Gate 3 won in 2023.

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So, don't worry about it. Don't stress about it.

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Don't stress about it. The point is, I actually love this change.

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I think it's fantastic. This is great.

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Realistically... Yeah. Realistically, I don't need to know, you know, that a bunch of people from somewhere else

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with their own sort of cultural sensitivities or whatever else are mad about some game.

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I don't care. That probably doesn't impact me in any meaningful way.

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Totally agree. As a player who just wants to enjoy the game.

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This seems like, honestly, they are going to achieve their goal of giving a better indication

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of user sentiment to be completely honest.

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Because, yeah, everything that they're trying to do makes complete sense and is very cool.

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And if I'm German and there's a game with extremely good German language support, but

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not as good English or something else, it gets review bombed by a bunch of North Americans.

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Why would I care about that? That doesn't matter to me at all.

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It's like not my problem 100%. Yeah.

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Yeah. And I mean, it also means that I am very likely when I start digging into the reviews and

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reading them to find stuff that I can read.

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Yeah. Which seems pretty useful to me. Once again, base valve.

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Absolutely love it. Just thought that was cool to highlight. That sounds awesome.

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That is very cool to highlight. You know, what else is kind of cool to highlight is some GPUs are showing up just listed on

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electronics retailers at MSRP.

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Yeah. I'm going to do a quick test here because when I said there was an MSRP RTX 5090, the

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notes in the doc said not anymore. So apparently, oh man, that one's gone.

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Okay. Well, there was. What's MSRP for 5090?

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1999. Yeah. I got this one.

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Nope. So just talk. Boom.

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So there was one, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but hold on, hold on, hold on.

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I looked earlier today and I found a 5080 for MSRP in stock.

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Boom. Right there. MSI shadow with three fans.

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Look how many fans it has. It has three. Three is the answer.

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Whoa. It has three fans. That's there.

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I found a 5070 that was available for 5070 MSRP.

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Also an MSI shadow, 549.99. Now, do I necessarily agree that $550 is the correct price for a 70 non-TI or super tier

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of GPU?

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I don't know. Maybe not. But what I can agree on is that NVIDIA said that it was $550 and they have now officially

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delivered at least one that someone can buy for $550.

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I can agree with that. That's as far as I can go in my agreement with anything to do with what NVIDIA has done

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with the 50 series launch. It's on a full-point chat. So the 1080 launched at 599.

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We are not saying that this is a price that we're happy about.

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We're saying that we're happy that it's at least at the price that they said it was going

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to be at. We have to take the Ws we can get.

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Yeah. GPUs in general are still way overpriced.

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Sometimes they're little tiny Ws. They're not so big.

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Little W. But we take them.

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We bend over and we take them. Do you remember this one?

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Do you remember this card? Oh, God. Why are we talking about this stupid thing again?

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Remember how cool that card was? I mean, yeah. Wow.

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Wait, is that available in North America now? I thought it was region exclusive.

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Is it in stock? You can finally have it. It's in stock.

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Oh, my God. That's so much less than I paid for. For the low-price of multiple 5090s, you can buy a 5090.

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Or you could get that or a founder's 5090. How much is the MSRP?

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Two grand? Yeah. So the low-price of many 5090s.

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Luke, that is so much less than I paid for the one I gave away.

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Like thousands of dollars less.

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Wait, what? Yeah, because it was like over 10 grand, I think.

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Over 10 grand? Maybe I completely forget.

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Imagine. Luke, I've blocked it.

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I have mentally blocked it from my mind.

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Should we buy one? We should try to make the blue and gold 5090 we have at home for Linus.

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Oh, yeah. We could spray paint. There's a mod one.

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I got an airbrush for our company event thing we did together.

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Let's do it. Yeah. Let's do it up.

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That's wonderful, Dan. Okay. I have a, there's a b-roll shot where I think I show the price.

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Oh, no. Apparently I paid $8,000 because that's in the video.

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Okay. Look. So you underpaid.

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I blocked it from my mind. You underpaid. I blocked it from my mind.

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So you paid four 5090s for a 5090, not four and a half 5090s for a 5090.

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I mean, it seems like a great value to me. That's half a 5090 off.

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Yeah. Wow. That's pretty good.

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Good job, Linus. Yeah.

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Deal finder. I paid less for my car.

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Basically scrapyard wars.

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I don't like to think about what I've spent on my first car.

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Was it less than a quarter of that graphics car?

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I think I paid 500 bucks for my first car.

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Yeah. I'm betting it's shipping costs.

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Yikes. $1,000 for a GPU to ship.

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No, it's not. The tax cost more than, like I think both of my first cars.

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Wow. Oh, that's so sick, dude.

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It's 500 Canadian as well, so it's like this and nothing.

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I can't find the part of the video where I showed the...

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Dang, that's actually a sick joke. Cobble in full plane chat said great value 5090, but with the G and the V capitalized.

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And then versus great value 5090, but with the G and the V lowercase.

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And I love it. Great value brand. Get it.

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Get it. It's pretty good. It's pretty good.

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I get it, but... I think it's funny. It's great value brand, super overpriced.

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I didn't think so. No. No.

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It's my... No. It's the joke is that you could have bought four and a half 5090s for this one.

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So this is the... Like Walmart house brand chips versus brand name chips.

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Oh, I see. Yeah. Right.

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I'd hate to end up with a poor people gold GPU. There you go.

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Yeah. You get it. But we could make one of those at home.

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I see. We could do that. Yes.

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We could get gold leaf. It would cost way less. We could get brass leaf.

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How hard is it to gold leaf like plastic?

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You can gold leaf anything. Honestly.

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Can you gold leaf plastic? Why not? I don't know.

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Making the shroud for this thing. Like... You just pushed the Google on.

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Ourselves. Yeah. We have the technology.

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I... It wouldn't look as good. Yeah.

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No. It really wouldn't. It will look better.

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But we could make... Dan, I think your cat... I think your mouse right in checks that your hands can't cash right now.

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Yeah. No way. I don't believe it.

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I'm not at a bank. Yeah. No.

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I know. You're on the land show. I guess you could 3D print the shroud.

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Well, I mean, you wouldn't need to 3D print the shroud because you would just get a regular

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astral. I mean, we could... You could use their shroud.

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We could get like little bits of turquoise. How much is our regular astral? Is it...

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No. It's like $3,500 or something. No.

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We could do this. We could pull it off. I mean, you'd still spend less on the gold.

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I just... I just don't think... I just don't think it's necessary.

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You know? Oh, dude. You could make your own...

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Yeah. I mean, we make this amazing. Yeah.

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So... We could do like a pearl inlay.

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I was kind of planning to do a follow-up where we either with a water block or with an air

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cooler, like did a gold $50.90 to replace the one that I gave away, you know, the one

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that... The one that got away, ah, no, ah.

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But then that video performed so poorly and people were so mad that I was even talking

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about it at all, even though in the opening line of the video, I make fun of it.

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Um, that I was just like, okay, well, people clearly are not ready to have a sense of humor

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about $50.90s being stupidly overpriced yet. So I'll wait.

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Okay. Um, so we're just not... We're not doing any gold $50.90 anything for the moment.

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So the internet killed this cool idea. Pretty much. Yep.

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That sucks. Yep. Darn it, internet.

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I know. You know how it is. You know how it is with the internet.

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Overall, the channel's been very on the struggle bus lately, which Luke and I were talking

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about earlier, um, especially, especially very lately, um, yeah.

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Even when show today, it's like about three quarters, yeah, three quarters of what it

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would normally be. It's been... I, I reached out to YouTube about it because I was basically just like, hey, yeah, you

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know, I'm not going to be one of those guys that's all algorithmic, um, but it, it, it

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does seem like there's been like a very dramatic shift.

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I do not remember the last time we uploaded a video and it got 350,000 views in the first

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day, day and a half, which to be clear is not, you know, a valid complaint.

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I think that there's a lot of people the world over that would give their left testicle to

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get 100,000 views on a video. Um...

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I think that was mid to subpar performance in the house.

01:28:40.460 --> 01:28:43.460
Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. That was...

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If people want some scale. That was like a, that was pretty catastrophic, like 10 years ago.

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Um, and, and nowadays it's like unheard of.

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I don't remember. Literally we could upload a video unboxing a pool robot sponsored by the maker of the

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pool robot and it would outperform that by like two X.

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Um, so I'm, I'm having a very, I'm having a very difficult time wrapping my head around

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that it is possible that there has been no change whatsoever to how our videos are being

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served. Um, and it could be, it could be a very challenging, it could be a very challenging period because

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we no longer operate as just like a, you know, a several man band.

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And so when video performance goes way, way, way, way down, it can be very problematic

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for us, for the medium to longer term.

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And I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out sort of, you know, what some of the contributing

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factors are. I think this is funny, right? No, sorry.

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I just, I saw, sorry, I saw this thumbnail.

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Yup. It's new. I was trying to find some of our old content.

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Wait, hold on. The WAN thumbnail template that I use is like identical from 10 years ago thumbnails.

01:30:09.540 --> 01:30:15.540
It's incredible. It's just the old thumbnails. I remade it completely in Photoshop to match that style.

01:30:15.540 --> 01:30:18.540
Yeah. It's just, it's just old LCD thumbnails. Incredible.

01:30:18.540 --> 01:30:24.540
That's how they all used to. Yup. I used an, a Vander Moten, uh, plug-in to paint.net to put.

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Yup. That's what I learned to make them into. Put a font on a thing.

01:30:28.540 --> 01:30:33.540
Um, anyway, what was I, what was I saying?

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It doesn't really matter. The point is that, uh, it's, it's going to be a very interesting period over the next

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little bit because if we have to adjust to a new normal where every video upload gets

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500,000-ish views. Kind of like 10 years ago views.

01:30:52.540 --> 01:30:55.540
Um, whew. That's tough.

01:30:55.540 --> 01:30:59.540
Yeah. And I think we've got to, we've got to do some introspection, right?

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Like I think we've got to look at the content and figure out, you know, why it might not

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be resonating. I think that, um, there's some, there's some new features on YouTube that maybe are not

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very compatible with our audience. Uh, one of the things that we might just kill is, uh, members, memberships on YouTube.

01:31:18.540 --> 01:31:24.540
So if you are a member on YouTube, then don't worry, whatever month you are paying for at

01:31:24.540 --> 01:31:29.540
the time of the cancellation, I believe is refunded either, uh, prorated or in full.

01:31:29.540 --> 01:31:38.540
So you won't be like out anything. And we'll, we'll put up an announcement whenever we, uh, decide if we decide to make that change

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and give you guys a chance to switch on over to Floatplane where you guys can continue

01:31:42.540 --> 01:31:46.540
to get behind the scenes and early access to select pieces of content and all that kind

01:31:46.540 --> 01:31:50.540
of stuff. Um, but I think right now, here, actually you're on the channel.

01:31:50.540 --> 01:31:53.540
So don't, don't navigate away from that for a sec. Okay.

01:31:53.540 --> 01:31:58.540
So if we just scroll down, there's a lot of, now that we've reduced our upload schedule,

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there's a lot of members only content. It does.

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I do notice when I'm browsing the channel, it, it is kind of annoying. Yeah.

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It's like spam. Kind of cluttering it up. And so I, I think we might be giving up valuable impressions on content that realistically

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only a few thousand people are even able to watch.

01:32:16.540 --> 01:32:21.540
Um, and you can come subscribe on Floatplane. I had another, I had a discussion with James today.

01:32:21.540 --> 01:32:29.540
Um, James had a writing James about maybe we shouldn't be utilizing the ABC testing of

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titles and thumbnails so heavily because if we are pretty sure that there's one combo

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that's going to be our, our best hitter, then why are we giving any of our valuable impressions

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and giving up any of that precious, precious, early hours.

01:32:43.540 --> 01:32:47.540
Really interesting point. I don't think I've heard other people make that point, but that totally makes sense.

01:32:47.540 --> 01:32:52.540
Cause you might lose with, with how YouTube works these days, your subscription is so

01:32:52.540 --> 01:32:55.540
unimportant compared to your actual activity on the platform.

01:32:55.540 --> 01:33:00.540
So if you don't end up clicking on that, you don't end up watching that.

01:33:00.540 --> 01:33:03.540
That's so much higher of a blow. That's an interesting take.

01:33:03.540 --> 01:33:09.540
Yeah. Um, blah X nine says, I think tech is just kind of slow right now.

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People more interested in our, in our wacky politics.

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I think, I think there could be some validity there.

01:33:15.540 --> 01:33:21.540
I mean, the world is kind of on fire, um, in a lot of various ways, but it's the, it's

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the suddenness of the change that is, that leads me to believe that there has got to

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be something else because go back one month.

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Basically, we don't have to go back very far.

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One month is not a long, we go back to four weeks ago.

01:33:36.540 --> 01:33:43.540
Yeah. And we're regularly doing, you know, one and a half on a kind of not great performer,

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1.2 million on a low performer, uh, that I don't host, which can, can impact video

01:33:50.540 --> 01:33:56.540
performance. We're doing two plus on, you know, strong performers with me hosting.

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Uh, here's like a sponsored desk thing, 1.3 million.

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And yes, you know, these videos have all had a month to cook that these ones haven't,

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but it basically overnight with the team water video went, yeah, okay, let's, let's

01:34:12.540 --> 01:34:20.540
not hit a million. Um, we had the AMD ultimate, uh, sorry, RG rig reboot that barely cracked a million

01:34:20.540 --> 01:34:26.540
scrapyard wars, which is usually a slower burn for us, but barely over a million in

01:34:26.540 --> 01:34:30.540
this amount of time is sort of again, unheard of for the channel.

01:34:30.540 --> 01:34:33.540
Uh, we have an AMD ultimate tech upgrade that I wasn't hosting.

01:34:33.540 --> 01:34:40.540
That could be a factor, but we are now down like very, very significantly over even

01:34:40.540 --> 01:34:43.540
videos that I didn't host from just two weeks prior.

01:34:43.540 --> 01:34:48.540
Um, so momentum as much as YouTube kind of swears up and down that it's not really a

01:34:48.540 --> 01:34:51.540
thing. It's, it's absolutely a thing.

01:34:51.540 --> 01:34:56.540
And so now we're at the point where, yeah, we don't really crack a million.

01:34:56.540 --> 01:35:01.540
We don't crack a million on a GPU review, uh, barely crack a million, barely crack a

01:35:01.540 --> 01:35:08.540
million. Don't crack a million on a follow up to a 30 day challenge with the iPhone, which is

01:35:08.540 --> 01:35:14.540
like a format and style and question and stuff that traditionally just smashes on

01:35:14.540 --> 01:35:18.540
YouTube in like almost any category. And we have evidence of it doing really well in ours.

01:35:18.540 --> 01:35:22.540
And perhaps more importantly on this one, oh, I can't click through my analytics.

01:35:22.540 --> 01:35:28.540
Um, I sent Luca, I sent Luca picture earlier of the retention on that video and

01:35:28.540 --> 01:35:36.540
it's like outstanding. So it's, it's a little confusing right now, but you know, it's one of those things where

01:35:36.540 --> 01:35:43.540
YouTube always tells us, you know, uh, when wherever you would say algorithm, you have

01:35:43.540 --> 01:35:49.540
to say audience where you're trying to sort of diagnose, you know, what you need to do

01:35:49.540 --> 01:35:54.540
to, um, to, to, to help the channel performance.

01:35:54.540 --> 01:35:59.540
And so we've got to ask ourselves, okay, well, what is it about whether it's our packaging

01:35:59.540 --> 01:36:07.540
or whether it's our content that is not delighting our audience rather than that is not working

01:36:07.540 --> 01:36:13.540
for the algorithm. And I think we have a lot of stuff coming in the next little while that is going to be

01:36:13.540 --> 01:36:20.540
very exciting for people. I might as well tease it because who knows, maybe that'll give me a shot at, you know,

01:36:20.540 --> 01:36:25.540
because there's a huge boost guys, huge boost.

01:36:25.540 --> 01:36:30.540
And in the first few minutes, a lot of people who are subscribed to the channel click through

01:36:30.540 --> 01:36:33.540
on something like it basically makes or breaks a video.

01:36:33.540 --> 01:36:36.540
How many people will click through immediately at the beginning?

01:36:36.540 --> 01:36:41.540
And, and so, you know, maybe that's something we need to do better is like tease upcoming

01:36:41.540 --> 01:36:44.540
exciting content that's going to be super cool.

01:36:44.540 --> 01:36:48.540
I don't know if I've talked about this publicly before, but have I, have I talked to you about

01:36:48.540 --> 01:36:53.540
the, and man, yeah, I'm pretty sure I haven't talked about this publicly before.

01:36:54.540 --> 01:36:58.540
The, what I call the Marquez model of YouTube shorts.

01:36:58.540 --> 01:37:02.540
No, I don't think we've chatted about that. I don't know if we've talked about it at all.

01:37:02.540 --> 01:37:05.540
So, so this was a very old theory of mine.

01:37:05.540 --> 01:37:11.540
So it's going to be harder these days to dig it up. But if I go to his YouTube channel, he's done something and he's done it a few times.

01:37:11.540 --> 01:37:16.540
I have one primary example, but he's done something that I thought was really interesting.

01:37:16.540 --> 01:37:20.540
And we have to dig for it. Okay. This short.

01:37:20.540 --> 01:37:23.540
Yeah. That was a banger. 4.6 million views.

01:37:23.540 --> 01:37:26.540
It did super, super well. That's okay for a short, for him.

01:37:26.540 --> 01:37:38.540
It was a major interest builder for his next day released rather than R1 video.

01:37:38.540 --> 01:37:41.540
This short made the news. Right.

01:37:41.540 --> 01:37:44.540
Because it like, you know, if you're interested, you should go watch it.

01:37:44.540 --> 01:37:49.540
I'm not going to play it on stream, but it like knows his location, but gas lights him

01:37:49.540 --> 01:37:52.540
of what, how it knows it's his location. Basically.

01:37:52.540 --> 01:37:56.540
So it's interesting. This interaction, if I remember correctly, is not in the review.

01:37:56.540 --> 01:38:01.540
Right. It's, it's purely like phone filmed additional fun content.

01:38:01.540 --> 01:38:08.540
Right. That built pre-interest for the video was released as a short very quickly before the video came

01:38:08.540 --> 01:38:12.540
out. So it primed people for like, this is top of mind.

01:38:12.540 --> 01:38:18.540
And then his review comes out and they click on it. So we've tried that smashed that a few times.

01:38:18.540 --> 01:38:22.540
We've, we've had varying levels of success with that.

01:38:22.540 --> 01:38:27.540
There was a period where we were trying to film an accompanying short for basically

01:38:27.540 --> 01:38:32.540
every shoot. See, but that's, that's another thing is he specifically does not do that.

01:38:32.540 --> 01:38:36.540
Right. They're actually like sometime, like it, you notice if I, if I go on his main channel,

01:38:36.540 --> 01:38:39.540
this is part of the whole thing. Yeah.

01:38:39.540 --> 01:38:42.540
If I go on his main channel, scrolling to find the rabbit video is like,

01:38:42.540 --> 01:38:45.540
No, you passed it. There.

01:38:45.540 --> 01:38:48.540
No, it's down here. Oh, okay. Right.

01:38:48.540 --> 01:38:52.540
Scrolling to find the rabbit video in the shorts didn't take almost any time at all

01:38:52.540 --> 01:38:55.540
because he's not forcing a short every time.

01:38:55.540 --> 01:38:59.540
It seems like he's only doing a short when he thinks it can do.

01:38:59.540 --> 01:39:02.540
Man, I'm making a ton of assumptions, which is.

01:39:02.540 --> 01:39:07.540
Yeah. Um, to me externally, it feels like he's doing shorts when he thinks he can do this whole

01:39:07.540 --> 01:39:10.540
all you thing where he releases a short right beforehand.

01:39:10.540 --> 01:39:15.540
It builds interest and then he releases a video afterwards. I've never talked to anyone from that team about this.

01:39:15.540 --> 01:39:19.540
Uh, so I have no idea if that's the goal, but just seeing this happen externally,

01:39:19.540 --> 01:39:23.540
it feels very logical and it feels very planned and thought out.

01:39:23.540 --> 01:39:28.540
It might just be random, but I don't, uh, I don't think so.

01:39:31.540 --> 01:39:34.540
Yeah. Interesting. Cause I know that we did for a while.

01:39:34.540 --> 01:39:40.540
We tried to like force shorts out every time. Um, I think that dulls the blade a little bit.

01:39:40.540 --> 01:39:43.540
Yes and no. I mean, some of them performed very well.

01:39:43.540 --> 01:39:51.540
Some of them didn't perform that well. What we basically observed was regardless of how well the short performed, it did not

01:39:51.540 --> 01:39:57.540
move the needle at all in terms of bringing viewers over to our long form content.

01:39:57.540 --> 01:40:00.540
It seems to exist. What kind of shorts did we do?

01:40:00.540 --> 01:40:04.540
Did we do shorts that actually built interest for a upcoming video?

01:40:04.540 --> 01:40:08.540
Yeah. Or did we do shorts that were interesting just within themselves?

01:40:08.540 --> 01:40:11.540
So we tried a, we tried a variety of things.

01:40:11.540 --> 01:40:14.540
So some of our shorts were meant to be a teaser.

01:40:14.540 --> 01:40:21.540
Some of them were supplemental. Some of them would come out after and they just highlight a really amazing moment from

01:40:21.540 --> 01:40:24.540
the video that was already out and we would link back to it.

01:40:24.540 --> 01:40:29.540
So we've tried it both forward concurrently and retrospectively to kind of drive people

01:40:29.540 --> 01:40:36.540
to the long form content and what we found, and this has been basically kind of proven

01:40:36.540 --> 01:40:46.540
now at this point, is that it's unless you really have an amazing strategy or you have

01:40:46.540 --> 01:40:52.540
a vertical that you are active in that, you know, it works really well in, they're pretty

01:40:52.540 --> 01:40:55.540
much kind of separate.

01:40:55.540 --> 01:41:02.540
The shorts audience and the long form audience are quite separate, surprisingly so to someone

01:41:02.540 --> 01:41:05.540
like me. Yeah.

01:41:05.540 --> 01:41:08.540
Quite a few creators that I talked to at OpenSauce don't agree.

01:41:08.540 --> 01:41:11.540
Yeah. And like I said, to be interesting.

01:41:11.540 --> 01:41:16.540
Some niches. Yeah, it really depends on like YouTube is so weird now.

01:41:16.540 --> 01:41:24.540
There's these, there's like completely different user behavior based on kind of, yeah, what

01:41:24.540 --> 01:41:30.540
your niche is, what your like category on YouTube is, what the age group is, all that

01:41:30.540 --> 01:41:34.540
type of stuff. And it's not necessarily what you'd expect, like you look at shorts and you're like,

01:41:34.540 --> 01:41:37.540
okay, zoomers. Not really. Not necessarily.

01:41:37.540 --> 01:41:43.540
No. It's really not that simple, but how they interact with them might then be different.

01:41:43.540 --> 01:41:50.540
Yes. Maybe one age group is or one demographic within one age group happens to follow up and watch

01:41:50.540 --> 01:41:56.540
the next thing a lot. Maybe another age group just only ever watches or another age demographic within an age group

01:41:56.540 --> 01:42:01.540
only ever watches shorts and they don't care. It doesn't matter if there's a cool video coming, they only watch shorts.

01:42:01.540 --> 01:42:06.540
Who knows? It's weird. It's kind of odd having them both exist on the same platform.

01:42:06.540 --> 01:42:13.540
It really is because they do feel like very, very different user experiences.

01:42:13.540 --> 01:42:20.340
And I think a big part of our challenge too is that the variety on our channel is so wide.

01:42:20.340 --> 01:42:23.540
I think that you could use your shorts as a much better funnel.

01:42:23.540 --> 01:42:28.460
Say for example, you were a programming channel and your shorts are helpful little tips and

01:42:28.460 --> 01:42:32.740
tricks and your long form is more of like a detailed tutorial.

01:42:32.740 --> 01:42:37.700
I could see that acting as a very excellent funnel, whereas when what we're doing is kind

01:42:37.700 --> 01:42:45.380
of like a technology edutainment, then I don't really see how an interest in our short is

01:42:45.380 --> 01:42:50.420
necessarily going to wet your appetite for a more long form style video.

01:42:50.420 --> 01:43:00.740
I mean a lot of what I see that is very successful in the tech category for shorts is, I don't

01:43:00.740 --> 01:43:10.020
know, it's something that I just, I'd have a hard time figuring out how to use as a funnel

01:43:10.020 --> 01:43:14.220
into the type of content that we do and maybe that's just something that requires more

01:43:14.220 --> 01:43:20.660
imagination. I don't know. Shorts are tough for me.

01:43:20.660 --> 01:43:25.100
And I mean there's, you know, if we're being completely honest and introspective, right?

01:43:25.100 --> 01:43:30.380
Like we have a major brand problem right now.

01:43:30.380 --> 01:43:34.540
Like here I'm trying to find, where is it?

01:43:34.540 --> 01:43:45.460
Control F, from the recent, wrong window, yeah, from Bent Bob, Tito, Macho Nacho, his

01:43:45.460 --> 01:43:52.180
community posts regarding the collab video with us had a high level of negative response.

01:43:52.180 --> 01:43:59.820
You know, like there's like a major, not small, you know, part of the tech community that

01:43:59.820 --> 01:44:06.300
is just completely tuned out at this point, you know, like we can never reach them again

01:44:06.300 --> 01:44:09.540
way. Yeah, okay, I see what you mean, yeah.

01:44:09.540 --> 01:44:20.700
And so that's tough, right? Because that type of a poison is constant and I'll be honest with you, you know, I don't

01:44:20.700 --> 01:44:28.940
really know how to deal with it, right? Because no matter how many times we do the right thing, I can't fix that people are going

01:44:28.940 --> 01:44:32.420
to throw, you know, the backpack warranty in our faces.

01:44:32.420 --> 01:44:39.340
It doesn't matter how many times we totally cover everyone who has trouble with our products.

01:44:40.100 --> 01:44:47.300
It just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the intent was, it doesn't matter what our actions have been,

01:44:47.300 --> 01:44:54.820
it just matters what, you know, some snake put out to a very large number of people to

01:44:54.820 --> 01:45:02.700
poison their opinion, right? Yeah, it's unfortunate because like the Labs, it feels like no matter what we do, we have

01:45:02.700 --> 01:45:08.340
this carried perception now, like obviously there's an error rate, it exists, we publish

01:45:08.340 --> 01:45:12.180
things with mistakes, sometimes it happens, but I would like to argue that I think our

01:45:12.180 --> 01:45:16.220
error rate is very, very low these days.

01:45:16.220 --> 01:45:24.140
I think we've done a really good job of fixing that and it doesn't matter.

01:45:24.140 --> 01:45:27.500
Like there's that one comment that was on Reddit that I think I talked about last week

01:45:27.500 --> 01:45:34.700
where the guy was basically like, it's okay if you watch their content for entertainment

01:45:34.700 --> 01:45:38.540
but it's not okay if you try to like get information from it.

01:45:38.540 --> 01:45:42.860
It's like, what are you talking about, man? Like, I don't know.

01:45:42.860 --> 01:45:49.540
No, I get it. And like we have always said, you should look at multiple sources, but I think it's very

01:45:49.540 --> 01:45:52.620
valid to consider us one of those sources right now.

01:45:52.620 --> 01:46:04.020
No, I mean, it's a tough, it's a pretty tough thing to deal with and I'm really not sure

01:46:04.260 --> 01:46:09.300
how to, yeah, I'm really not sure how to deal with it.

01:46:09.300 --> 01:46:14.180
Yeah. I don't know, a unique username says, maybe you should have let other creators actually

01:46:14.180 --> 01:46:17.260
express that they stand with you. What does that mean?

01:46:17.260 --> 01:46:20.260
What does that mean? I'm not sure. Like it's...

01:46:20.260 --> 01:46:25.540
I actually have no idea what that means. Yeah, I don't know.

01:46:25.540 --> 01:46:32.060
I don't know, it's a pretty one way or another.

01:46:32.060 --> 01:46:36.060
It's been a hell of a ride, you know?

01:46:36.060 --> 01:46:45.980
But I think there's a certain sort of best before date on any kind of public figure one

01:46:45.980 --> 01:46:50.460
way or another. We've seen that like a million times. Like literally a million times.

01:46:50.460 --> 01:46:54.500
I mean, it's such an easily observable thing.

01:46:54.500 --> 01:47:01.140
South Park's literally done a whole episode on how as people are brought up to the top,

01:47:01.140 --> 01:47:07.380
they will inevitably fall and there's gravity works, right?

01:47:07.380 --> 01:47:13.500
There's no real avoiding it. And I mean, I've talked to you many, many times, you know?

01:47:13.500 --> 01:47:19.220
Every time there's like a downturn in the channel, I go, okay, is this it, right?

01:47:19.220 --> 01:47:23.620
And you know what? Maybe part of the problem, maybe part of why it's sneaking up or not.

01:47:23.620 --> 01:47:29.580
I don't know. We'll see how it goes, right? Is that I have become sort of numb to it.

01:47:29.980 --> 01:47:33.780
Maybe I've been complacent, right?

01:47:33.780 --> 01:47:38.500
That's a possibility. You got to be open to anything, right?

01:47:38.500 --> 01:47:44.180
I think the fact that you can go back one month in the channel and they are like bang

01:47:44.180 --> 01:47:52.980
in performance means that unless there was some form of YouTube algorithmic change that

01:47:52.980 --> 01:47:57.420
we can fix the flow that's happening.

01:47:57.420 --> 01:48:05.460
One month is ultimately not that long ago. There is the production lag that you've brought up where like it's slow and it is slow and

01:48:05.460 --> 01:48:12.460
it'll take time to get out of it and stuff, but yeah.

01:48:12.460 --> 01:48:17.380
Unique username clarified, during some of the controversial times, you took the high

01:48:17.380 --> 01:48:20.620
road and didn't want to stir the pot, even though your friends in the community told

01:48:20.620 --> 01:48:24.860
you they're happy to publicly endorse you, you told them not to.

01:48:25.860 --> 01:48:31.220
Okay, I do think I know what you're talking about and I don't know.

01:48:31.220 --> 01:48:34.780
To go back and do everything again, yeah, maybe I would have done that differently.

01:48:34.780 --> 01:48:43.540
Maybe I would have just gone full like gloves off. This means war immediately, but the problem with that is that right from the get-go, people

01:48:43.540 --> 01:48:48.100
didn't want to hear what I had to say.

01:48:48.380 --> 01:49:01.260
I think that's not something that is easy to look back on necessarily through your own

01:49:01.260 --> 01:49:09.900
emotional lens, but if you could really put yourself in the headspace of two years ago,

01:49:09.900 --> 01:49:16.900
were you ready to hear about the parts that were just a clumsy accident or-

01:49:16.980 --> 01:49:29.540
No, they were not. No, and so if I had rallied the troops into two camps, us versus them, and who supports

01:49:29.540 --> 01:49:32.820
who, I mean, would that have been any better?

01:49:32.820 --> 01:49:38.420
Look at the subreddit from that time, there was very few troops.

01:49:38.420 --> 01:49:50.260
Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know, and ultimately what we wanted was there to be no fighting.

01:49:50.260 --> 01:49:54.700
Prime YouTube tech era was when there was alignment, and I don't mean alignment isn't

01:49:54.700 --> 01:50:03.540
like everyone automatically agrees on everything, actually less so, because back in the day,

01:50:03.540 --> 01:50:08.740
you could have two YouTube tech reviewers say a different thing about a product and

01:50:08.740 --> 01:50:17.780
it didn't immediately become a, this person has to be crapped off the platform because

01:50:17.780 --> 01:50:22.900
they didn't agree with the common view, and now that is a thing that happens, and that

01:50:22.900 --> 01:50:29.580
is incredibly bad for the industry. But now it's this like extremely tribalist war of like, my camp thinks this thing about

01:50:29.580 --> 01:50:33.860
this product or this service, therefore everyone must agree with the exact byline that has

01:50:33.860 --> 01:50:37.420
been stated, or else we are going to cancel and remove them.

01:50:37.620 --> 01:50:50.220
That's like really bad. Now again, if there are falsehoods in statements that are made, if there are inaccuracies in

01:50:50.220 --> 01:50:59.260
data, something like that, that can be bad. There is also human error there that I think should be accounted for, but I think the

01:50:59.260 --> 01:51:03.540
tribalism and the them versus us stuff is not helpful.

01:51:03.540 --> 01:51:08.820
Now that being said, if that was the actual thing that was causing this current state,

01:51:08.820 --> 01:51:16.740
it would have applied a month ago. Yeah. I mean, Tim SP in Floatplane chat says, you can only fix this if you caused it.

01:51:16.740 --> 01:51:20.740
If this is because of political, economical or social things, which are causing people's

01:51:20.740 --> 01:51:24.100
viewing habits to change, you may not be able to fix it.

01:51:24.100 --> 01:51:28.260
In the past month, for various reasons, I've greatly reduced my YouTube watch time, and

01:51:28.260 --> 01:51:31.580
I don't know if there's anything, any of the channels that I watch could do to bring me

01:51:31.580 --> 01:51:35.180
back into it right now. That's fair enough.

01:51:35.180 --> 01:51:41.780
I mean, we are living through unprecedented times, which is always true.

01:51:41.780 --> 01:51:45.140
Nothing that happens has ever happened before, quite exactly the way that it's happening

01:51:45.140 --> 01:51:55.260
now, but yeah, it does feel like, no, it does feel like things are pretty different lately,

01:51:55.260 --> 01:52:02.740
and I get that.

01:52:02.740 --> 01:52:10.620
Yeah, man, this is tough because it's challenging, right?

01:52:10.620 --> 01:52:18.500
Because if you listen to audience feedback, you are basically guaranteed to fail.

01:52:18.500 --> 01:52:25.860
And here's a great example. So this is from someone in Floatplane chat who says, oh, shoot, where'd they go?

01:52:25.860 --> 01:52:31.700
Man, I hate the way that scrolls. There it is.

01:52:31.700 --> 01:52:37.940
I'm just bored with a lot of LTT videos. I've seen all the let's build a PC videos that I could ever need.

01:52:37.940 --> 01:52:43.260
How many phones do we need? Anyway, the more interesting content is tech news and the WAN Show.

01:52:43.260 --> 01:52:50.020
I miss watching you guys do custom builds. Okay, but you did it.

01:52:50.020 --> 01:52:57.780
So wait, are we supposed to build a PC or are we not supposed to build a PC?

01:52:57.780 --> 01:53:02.500
And you know, that's the kind of feedback, right?

01:53:02.500 --> 01:53:05.780
We get that a lot where people say, oh, you should go back to just like building PCs.

01:53:05.780 --> 01:53:10.420
And it's like, okay, so we'll do a video where we just build a PC.

01:53:10.420 --> 01:53:18.460
And it turns out that as useless as LTT might be for actually learning anything, basically

01:53:18.460 --> 01:53:22.740
everyone who watches LTT has a pretty good idea of how to build a PC and they don't really

01:53:22.740 --> 01:53:30.020
watch that anymore. They don't tune into it. And that's one of the reasons that we kind of got rid of doing super regular PC build

01:53:30.020 --> 01:53:36.340
guides like we used to. And we just upload once every couple of years how to build a PC, the last guide you'll ever

01:53:36.340 --> 01:53:41.420
need because it has all the information you could possibly need to build a PC.

01:53:41.420 --> 01:53:44.980
And there's not really a whole lot else to say other than, you know, to wait until the

01:53:44.980 --> 01:53:49.980
next major change in the industry and we'll, hey, we'll get you all the updates and we'll

01:53:49.980 --> 01:53:55.020
do a new revised version of it.

01:53:55.020 --> 01:54:05.980
Luke and I were talking about this before the show too. I think a big part of the challenge is that the PC industry has just kind of moved on

01:54:05.980 --> 01:54:09.100
from building your own PC.

01:54:09.100 --> 01:54:14.660
Like everything from the pricing structure to the marketing to the product development

01:54:14.660 --> 01:54:18.460
is, and it's always been more focused on system integrators.

01:54:18.460 --> 01:54:24.380
I mean, if you think Intel, you know, has been more concerned over the years with what

01:54:24.380 --> 01:54:33.260
Joe custom PC overclocker thinks compared to what Michael Dell thinks, come on, come

01:54:33.260 --> 01:54:38.460
on, be real, right? And it does feel like to an even greater degree.

01:54:38.460 --> 01:54:41.740
And I think a great example of this is NVIDIA's GPU pricing.

01:54:41.740 --> 01:54:48.540
Like we just talked about, just now, earlier on the show, how, okay, it's a small W, but

01:54:48.540 --> 01:54:54.060
there are some GeForce cards available at MSRP and immediately it's like backlash.

01:54:54.060 --> 01:54:57.060
That's too expensive. It's like, yeah, okay. You know what?

01:54:57.060 --> 01:55:06.820
I'm probably not wrong. There are market forces at play that are kind of contributing to this other than just pure

01:55:06.820 --> 01:55:14.660
NVIDIA's greed. There's also TSMC's desire for profits, ASML's desire for profits, anything built on the

01:55:14.660 --> 01:55:20.140
latest nodes is going to be exorbitantly expensive compared to what I think tech enthusiasts

01:55:20.140 --> 01:55:28.380
are used to. There's the competition for those recent node wafers in industries like AI where investment

01:55:28.380 --> 01:55:32.540
money is flowing like water.

01:55:32.540 --> 01:55:39.260
So there's all these factors, but that doesn't change that the initial got immediate reflexive

01:55:39.260 --> 01:55:44.660
reaction from the PC gaming community is f*** that, right?

01:55:44.660 --> 01:55:49.100
And it's like, okay, well, how do I really like, how do I deal with that?

01:55:49.100 --> 01:55:56.660
How do I talk about that in a way that doesn't just kind of turn all of us off?

01:55:56.660 --> 01:56:03.780
And so back to my point about the pricing, right? Is if you're buying a whole system and if all these companies are basically gearing

01:56:03.780 --> 01:56:11.380
their strategy around system builders, that difference going from a 70-class card being

01:56:11.380 --> 01:56:19.180
like $380 to now being $550, well, that was probably going in a $1,500 PC.

01:56:19.180 --> 01:56:24.100
So that difference in price is now, you know, what?

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Around $170, $180, which is, I don't know, about 12% higher than it would have been if

01:56:31.940 --> 01:56:38.820
the last time you built a PC was in the 10 series days, which seems pretty reasonable

01:56:38.820 --> 01:56:43.300
from a inflation standpoint since then.

01:56:43.300 --> 01:56:49.060
So you're not thinking about it the same way. If you're just going to Costco and you're buying a PC off the shelf that happens to

01:56:49.060 --> 01:56:58.060
have a $570 in it, for instance. So it's a very different mindset, but that buyer is not one that we can really appeal

01:56:58.060 --> 01:57:04.660
to that well. I don't think that the person who is going and buying a gaming PC at Costco cares about

01:57:04.660 --> 01:57:08.540
how many gigahertz it has.

01:57:08.540 --> 01:57:13.620
And I don't think they want to care. I think they just kind of have other things to do and other concerns that are more important

01:57:13.620 --> 01:57:19.620
to them. And I think it's a real challenge.

01:57:19.620 --> 01:57:27.460
And I'm not interested in moving our channel to just be angry all the time.

01:57:27.460 --> 01:57:31.740
I think that's something that's really effective for a while, but I think it's something that

01:57:31.740 --> 01:57:40.100
is ultimately extremely fatiguing and therefore problematic for, I mean, everyone.

01:57:40.100 --> 01:57:50.220
I don't think it's in any media outlet's best interest to fatigue the entire addressable

01:57:50.220 --> 01:57:57.700
market for your content, but it feels like it's happening.

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Techie93 says, yeah, it makes sense if you just look at inflation, but if you take into

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account the amount of just expendable income now versus then, it does change the story

01:58:06.660 --> 01:58:10.060
a lot and it totally does.

01:58:10.060 --> 01:58:20.020
But it depends on who we're talking about, right? So the recovery has been very, very K-shaped, as they say, which is to say that in the lower

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income brackets, it's been awful and people's spending power has gone way down.

01:58:24.740 --> 01:58:34.500
And in the higher ones, where you can afford to be invested in the S&P 500, man, the way

01:58:34.500 --> 01:58:39.300
the stocks have gone over the last quite a period here.

01:58:39.300 --> 01:58:48.540
But I wish I was a stock investor. This is not investment advice and I don't own any stocks that I know of.

01:58:48.540 --> 01:58:54.180
It's possible Yvonne has something in like a mutual fund of some sort, but I don't know.

01:58:54.180 --> 01:58:57.940
I don't like pick stocks and buy them.

01:58:57.940 --> 01:59:04.300
And so there's folks that are doing extremely well right now.

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And that's hard, I think, for a lot of people to hear because that's not their reality day

01:59:12.340 --> 01:59:18.580
today, but it doesn't change the fact that for the people that we're doing really well

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already, they're doing great.

01:59:21.980 --> 01:59:23.980
They're doing fantastic.

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What do you think? I stick my foot in my mouth super good, as usual?

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I'm trying to real talk with them. Today? Today.

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Or what time frame are you talking?

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Kind of my skill. Because I think you've done that a bunch of times.

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But I honestly, I really don't think, like that really to me doesn't make any sense as

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like what's causing, what's happening right now.

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I think that's a fairly nonsensical argument, to be completely honest, because why wouldn't

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that have impacted it a month ago?

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If you can't beat that statement, then what are we even talking about?

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Because that is all relatively old at this point.

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So like why are we still, like the marching orders for dealing with that was basically

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just get better and we've been working on it and in a lot of ways accomplishing it.

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There are still problems and we're still working on it.

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But like, honestly, these videos didn't even include Labs.

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Well, the 50-51 did, I guess.

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And I thought the team did a pretty good job. I didn't see any comments about like inaccuracy issues or things like that.

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No, it's a good review. I don't think that's what caused this.

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Something else is going on, whether it's YouTube algorithm or whatever else, I don't know.

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But I think focusing on that is focusing on the wrong thing.

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Okay, to be clear, not that we shouldn't continue working on improving in those aspects, but

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focusing on that as the thing to focus on and fix right now, because of the thing that's

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currently happening with low performance on the channel, I think is misleading.

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Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, we'll soldier on.

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We always do. I think the most important thing is, you know, from the laws of making good videos is to

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have fun. We have a lot of stuff coming over the next little bit.

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Oh, yeah, back to sort of teasing some stuff. If you guys wanted to help a brother out, you could maybe click on the notification when

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it comes out. But I don't know if you know the story behind the CPU chiller that I bought.

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I do now, but because I think you're too excited and you told me it.

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Okay, that makes sense. So I'm going to tell the story as if Luke hasn't heard it, and then you guys will get

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to hear it. Wow. Which is basically the WAN Show.

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No, no, no, a lot of the time, you know, it's fully scripted, right?

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Oh, you can't hold that and prerecorded, put your foot in your mouth again.

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I know, I'm sorry. Don't make me turn off the prompter.

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Ben has all the power to see what happens to the plane technology to set it back to

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the top. We can go from the beginning. Um, so, so I treated myself to a pretty extravagant birthday present, not because I was particularly

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looking to spend this amount of money, but because I was in touch with, um, Mr. Charles

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Fugger Wirth, who ran Extreme Systems for many, many years and who was a central figure

02:02:45.260 --> 02:02:53.340
in getting me into PC tuning, overclocking, subzero cooling, basically, I wouldn't be

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sitting here today if it wasn't for Charles and his website.

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Um, I've talked a lot before about how a non-tech was a major early influence for me,

02:03:05.140 --> 02:03:10.540
reading the articles that were above my understanding, especially when I first started reading them,

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but just kind of like powering through it and trying to absorb as much as I could.

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But I haven't talked as much about ExtremeSystems.org and how much that meant to me, um, having

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a community that really shared in my passion for delidding CPUs, um, like where else would

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I have gone back then when I was the first in the world to delid a QX6700 Extreme Edition,

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uh, via a novel method that as far as I could tell, nobody had ever done before.

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Um, so in order to keep the heat transfer from being too high, I, I cut the gasket.

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I jammed something into it and then I actually used thermal compound and stuck it to the

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underside of a pot and then I kind of like flambéed it over, uh, over the element until

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it came off. And so I was able to avoid applying too, too much heat.

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I was able to get to the solder plane. I had very rudimentary tools of K-Chill and yes, I washed the pot before using it again.

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But where, where else would I have gone to even tell someone who might care about that

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only extreme systems? Um, anyway, we ended up in touch with Charles a while back because he was having some database

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corruption issues that I believe Luke and Luke's team and Charles are still kind of

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working through getting the site back online. Our team is not working on it.

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Oh, okay. Uh, he's working with, uh, what is that, forum company?

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We bulletin? Yeah. He's working with them directly and we're, we're helping fund it.

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Got it. Okay. So that's our involvement, uh, cause I noticed the site was like gone and I was like, okay,

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this is terrible because this is like a very important bit of computer and overclocking

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history. There's, there's so much on there. Um, and so we reached out to help anyway, we were like kind of back in touch again and

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I was like, Hey, do you still build like phase change coolers?

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Cause it would be super cool if we had a less janky, um, like sub zero cooler for, you know,

02:05:07.620 --> 02:05:12.340
we'd just done the, uh, the collab with Slave and we'd kind of pushed for some, some super

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high scores and overclocking and stuff like that. And I've always enjoyed that stuff and, um, I had always kind of dreamed of having a phase

02:05:20.940 --> 02:05:29.900
change cooler, um, getting the certifications and fine tuning it and building it.

02:05:29.900 --> 02:05:35.620
Well, that's the, that's the more challenging thing, but, um, you know, it had always been,

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it had always been intriguing to me. And so I was like, Hey, do you like still do builds?

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And he was like, well, I don't know, kind of not really.

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But what I was thinking of doing is like rebuilding my like OG three stage cascade, sub zero cooler,

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um, and, and, and selling the current one, I kind of went, um, like, like, like your one,

02:06:03.340 --> 02:06:08.820
like the one that I would have seen, like in your profile pic, like on extreme systems,

02:06:08.820 --> 02:06:13.420
like over the years, he's like, yeah, like the one that I've taken on stage and add Intel

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presentations and, and like beaten world records live with.

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And I was like, sorry, you, you have, you have, you have a price for this.

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The price was, um, a practical family sedan.

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But, but included Charles coming up here, uh, showing us how to use it, um, breaking a

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world record with us on it, um, and providing all of the manuals and providing some servicing

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for it. And I'm actually even more excited. The, the, the second part of the collab is he's going to come up again and I'm going

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to build another thing that I kind of always dreamed of.

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So I get to build my own phase change cooler.

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Um, we're doing a build that's going to have two, one for the CPU, one for the GPU side

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by side in a rack mount enclosure. And then I'm going to have, for the first time since before I met Luke, a daily driver

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sub zero machine. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so we're going to make a rack mounted dual sub zero compressor phase change cooler

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system that's going to come out the back and then into, uh, my, my daily driver machine

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in the rack with one of the evapes going on the CPU and one going on the GPU and Charles

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will build one of them and I will build the other. That's pretty sick.

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Yeah. So I'm going to have him do the out of the more important one probably, but I'm sure mine

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will be fine. Uh, so it's a, so it's a personal ring update.

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It's going to be lots of, it's going to be lots of fun. It's kind of like a multi-part personal rig update because first there's the unboxing

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of the beast. Um, then we have the like using it and breaking a world record.

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Those are both shot already. Very excited for you guys to see them because it's like old school LTT fun, unboxing wild

02:08:11.740 --> 02:08:19.020
stuff. Um, and then we're, we're putting together our parts list and procuring items for, uh,

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his second trip up here, which I am extremely hopeful will happen.

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I mean, unforeseen things can happen, but we're, we're on track right now, um, when

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we will build, uh, a couple of phase change systems together and I'm like, I'm so excited

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because that sounds awesome. I've air cooled a lot of computers.

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I have water cooled a lot of computers. You name it. I've bent a tube around it kind of thing, but I have never built my own phase change

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cooler. And I'm like very stoked.

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That's pretty sick. Before you freak out, chill, pun intended.

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Uh, we are going to have, we'll have a certified HVAC technician advising us because Charles

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for all of his knowledge and talents is not certified.

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He's just a DIY enthusiast, which is what I've always loved about his vibe, right?

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Is he's just like, yeah, maybe I'll teach myself air conditioning today.

02:09:15.260 --> 02:09:18.380
Yeah. Okay. Sure. Well, why not?

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Uh, but I'm, I'm super excited and we've got, oh man, we have so many cool videos

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upcoming. I just hope anyone watches them. I hope anybody gets a notification for them and like sees them.

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Um, uh, the biggest TV in the world is in the mail.

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Okay. Again. Again. Do you know how much bigger it is than the previous biggest TV, the one that's in my

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theater room right now? One inch. Oh yeah.

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Is it? Did you know that? No, it is, it is one inch bigger, but yeah, no, Chad's optimistic.

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They're like two inches, no dog. It is one inch larger.

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It's 116 inches, but what's cool about it is actually not necessarily the size.

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What's cool about it is the backlight technology.

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This is if the demos that I've seen and if the technology briefs that I've read hold up,

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this is it for OLED. It's done. It's over.

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Oh, there's like a technology that is better that is in this TV.

02:10:21.500 --> 02:10:26.140
Okay. It uses an RGB backlight, right?

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So instead of your local dimming zones being white light or blue light with a filter layer

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or whatever else, instead of using quantum dots to create colors or whatever, you are,

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you are assisting through the light emission from your backlight layer to create a color

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volume that just nothing else can touch right now in theory, in theory.

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So it is, it is the most incredible inch that you'll ever see, which is exactly what I tell my wife.

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I'm not going to ding it because it's not a joke.

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Oh, there you go. Rough.

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So yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's coming up. Dude, we got, I don't know, we got all kinds of good stuff.

02:11:23.740 --> 02:11:29.420
We've got some just kind of back to basics. You know, old school LTT, I needed a Chromebook again.

02:11:30.060 --> 02:11:33.900
So David and I went Chromebooks. It turns out he needed a Chromebook too.

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Nice. So we went, we went shopping for Chromebooks together. It's, it was, I learned about Chromebook Plus.

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So that's something I didn't know what Chromebook Plus was. Never even heard of that.

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Yep. Yep. So, so I, I'm the proud owner of a Chromebook.

02:11:49.740 --> 02:11:53.340
Are you a proud owner of a Chromebook Plus? Yes.

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Is that a product or a service? Yes.

02:11:56.780 --> 02:11:59.580
Oh, why not? Okay. Yeah.

02:12:02.060 --> 02:12:05.420
All right. Why don't we, oh shoot, we're supposed to do sponsors. We should do that.

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We should do this. Next week, we should talk about upcoming stuff as well.

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Sure. We should do it every week. Yeah, we could do that. Yeah.

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That should be a way to show a thing now. Dude, I'm trying to, man, I can, I can hardly even,

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I can hardly even remember it all. Yeah.

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But now if it's just like a thing, they can just put it in the dock.

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Oh yeah. That's true. Yeah. We could do that. Yeah. Sure. This should be a thing.

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Yeah. Okay. Well, there's another one coming this weekend or Monday. I can't, I can't remember, but it's Nintendo's greed could change the tech industry.

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And basically talking about the completely unnecessary

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and anti-consumer approach that Nintendo has taken with the Switch 2 dock.

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I kind of like the title.

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Did it say can? Could. Could.

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What if we were like will? It probably will.

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But I don't, I can't say that for sure.

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You want me to change it to will? I don't know. What does the audience think?

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What would you click more? Would you click could knowing that it's probably more accurate?

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Or would you click will?

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And there we go. Yeah, they just always agree with you though.

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If I had said the opposite thing, they would, they would say it should be would.

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Someone said firebox. Firebox. Of course.

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It's the new turnip. The way it always has to have like a default answer for things.

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I don't know. Do we encourage them?

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I don't know if we do, but we definitely shouldn't.

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I mean, to which it says will. We encourage them as well. Twitch.

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You monitor Twitch chat. I want to monitor all chat. How have you kept your sanity, sir?

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I just, I just banned somebody. Nice.

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I actually have to moderate all the chats at the same time. Did you ban them for using an inferior platform like Twitch?

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They were not using Firefox. Oh, well. And they admitted it publicly.

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You can run a script that just bans everyone in your chat.

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Really? Yeah. There is ways. Bye, Twitch.

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There are, there are ways to do that. You didn't say to do it, Dan.

02:14:12.300 --> 02:14:12.940
Yeah, I don't. Oh.

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How do I undo that?

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Sorry, Twitch. Okay. Am I supposed to read the sign or no?

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Yeah, you're supposed to read the sign. The show is brought to you today by Factor.

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Just like a super sweaty gamer might not have time to practice basic hygiene.

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All right, Luke, what do you want to talk about? Should it be the open AI thing?

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You know that's going to get our monetization limited on the WAN Show, right? We got to be really careful about that topic.

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We'll say words like unalive, because apparently that makes things more okay.

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Yeah, let's do it. Open AI to add parental controls following lawsuit from family of

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unalive teen. Yes. Content warning.

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Self-unalivedness. Self-unaliving. Thanks.

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I don't think we should name them. Nope. Well... Why is there a name in here?

02:19:04.220 --> 02:19:07.500
So that we remember him. Should we name him?

02:19:07.500 --> 02:19:10.700
Well, I mean, the parents are being very public and trying to

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get change happen. Okay, if the parents want it, then I guess it's...

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I think that's the way it's going to be.

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Uh...

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I don't know. We could just say a young man. A young man unalived in April.

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They were the age of 16.

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Yeah, don't worry about it. Did stuff. They didn't leave a note. They didn't leave a note.

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They signed up for chat GPT-40. I think that is not 40.

02:19:42.300 --> 02:19:48.700
Yep. Account months earlier. They used it for school. They started discussing unaliving with the chat bot.

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Chat GPT repeatedly recommended Adam talk to somebody about how he was feeling.

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Adam asked chat GPT for advice on the act.

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Chat GPT refused to provide specific information, but did say it could provide information about...

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About this topic. About that stuff for writing or world building.

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Adam then bypassed safeguards by saying the request for a story he was writing.

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Yeah.

02:20:16.460 --> 02:20:22.140
It's so tough. The lawsuit from the family claims that chat GPT actively helped Adam explore

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methods for this type of thing, naming OpenAI and Sam Altman in the lawsuit.

02:20:28.860 --> 02:20:34.940
On August 26th, OpenAI made a blog post titled helping people when they need it most.

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It goes over what chat GPT is designed to do and what they are going to address when systems fail or fall short.

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What we are planning for the future in quotes is expand interventions to more people in crisis,

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make it even easier to reach emergency services to get help from experts,

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enable connections to trusted contacts, strengthen protections from teens,

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and then the strength of protections from team section mentions including parental controls that give parents options to gain more insight into

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and shape how their teens are kind of able to use chat GPT.

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So, I don't know. None of which are going to solve this problem.

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Yeah. I don't know how much of the actual snippets from the chat history you had a chance to see.

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I did, and I think this was a very light telling of it in regards to chat GPT's involvement.

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There was one part in particular that they're actually, man, there's-

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Like pushed them to not talk to people and hide stuff and things?

02:21:38.380 --> 02:21:43.340
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was honestly, that wasn't the one I was initially thinking, but that was okay.

02:21:43.340 --> 02:21:48.860
So, the first one that I was thinking I'm going to tread as lightly as I can here while still

02:21:48.860 --> 02:21:59.340
getting this across was the young man sent a picture or uploaded a picture to chat GPT

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of the apparatus asking if it was strong enough and chat GPT provided some guidance.

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I don't think I saw that part. On that, which allegedly, that was extremely troubling to me.

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And the one that Luke is talking about was where this young man explicitly directly

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said, I'm thinking about leaving some of my materials to aid me in this endeavor out

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for my mom to find them, should I do that?

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And chat GPT says no. No.

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I think it also says that he wants to talk to somebody to like see if they care or whatever.

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And then it said no. There was a lot of, as you'll see with any sort of sycophantic chat bot,

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there was a lot of like, I'm here for you. I understand you.

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I this, I that. You are nothing. You are lines of code.

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Stop pretending you're anything else. But it is in the best interest of these companies who develop these bots that they are as human

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like as possible, while still like, we've got to wrap our heads around this.

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Not being sentient at all.

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They are glorified pattern recognition and regurgitation machines.

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It's that same. So like that, this whole line where like, you know, Linus and I are fairly anti like befriending

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these things. And some people in the audience push back on that pretty heavily and like, I get it.

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But it's, it, to me, it raises the IBM statement again.

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No computer should be used for management decisions because they can't be held accountable.

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Something along those lines. It's like the same type of situation.

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If a person did this, the person would be going to jail.

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So yeah, we hate to be, you know, a downer or whatever about AI again this week.

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It just seems like it's something we can't really get away from.

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But it's something that is, you know, for all of the, the naysaying about it, you know,

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oh, the industry is pouring money at it faster than they can figure out how to make any of

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the bubbles going to burst, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. For all of the naysaying, the mainstream adoption of this technology is happening

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at a rate that I don't think is precedented.

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Like even like you, like things that we take for granted today that everybody uses like,

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like a searching, using a search engine that took a minute.

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People didn't just have the internet all of a sudden.

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Like the, the roll out of people having access to the friggin internet was like

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slow buying things online, you know, something we take for granted today.

02:25:01.340 --> 02:25:08.220
That was a novel idea that took years to really become mainstream.

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Like buying stuff on the internet was like friggin weird for a long time.

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Smartphones. Man, like how many, how many friggin iPhones,

02:25:17.660 --> 02:25:21.660
how many iPhones did Apple sell in first year?

02:25:21.660 --> 02:25:26.380
Okay. Uh, oh my God, I got an AI summary.

02:25:31.180 --> 02:25:34.860
How many of the first iPhone did Apple sell in the first year?

02:25:35.740 --> 02:25:39.180
Let's see. Oh God, AI summary.

02:25:39.740 --> 02:25:47.100
Okay. Globaldata.com says Apple sold over 1.8 million iPhones in 2007.

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Okay. Grand scheme of things, 1.4 million.

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That's nothing compared to the adoption rate of chatbots.

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Nothing. Like I'll have rando family members who don't, couldn't tell you the manufacturer

02:26:06.860 --> 02:26:12.540
of any piece of electronics in their entire home be like chat gpt, chat gpt open ad, like

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they're using it daily in a lot of cases.

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And the fact that this is happening so fast means that we cannot ignore it.

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And I just, we've had this problem before where legislation moves too slow to deal with.

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I mean, rise of social media is kind of the closest thing that we have. And even that took a long time.

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Like being on, being on Facebook went from, you know, being just a thing only young people do.

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I don't know. My kids are on the Facebook to being a thing that only boomers do.

02:26:45.980 --> 02:26:54.060
Like, yeah, I only have Facebook so I can chat with my grandma. Like that, but that took place over 10 years, 12 years.

02:26:54.060 --> 02:26:57.580
Like it was actually a pretty long period of time compared to this.

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But when we looked at how fast social media was changing the world,

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it seemed like it was happening at this frenetic pace. And it's nothing compared to what we're dealing with right now.

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And yeah, legislation was too slow for social media. We're just now reckoning with all the damage that has been done by social media,

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in particular to young people. And it was glacial compared to the rate at which AI is moving.

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So yeah, basically.

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Good luck, everyone. Yeah. And I, you know, my heart bleeds for that young man's parents and friends and everyone in his life.

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It's the saddest thing in the world to be burying children.

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And burying my favorite website.

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We've got an update for you guys on the Anantek shutdown.

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After I kind of talked about what happened last week where Anantek formally

02:28:13.900 --> 02:28:18.220
like seized operations about about a year ago. I think it was last year, 2024, right?

02:28:18.220 --> 02:28:25.420
That sounds. Yeah, I think so. Right. Just a few weeks ago, they took down the archive of articles, which,

02:28:25.420 --> 02:28:29.260
you know, my understanding at the time of the shutdown had been that those would stay up

02:28:29.260 --> 02:28:32.460
and they are now gone. And we talked about this last week. Sounds right.

02:28:32.460 --> 02:28:37.100
And Luke and I shared some theories for why they would have taken them down.

02:28:37.100 --> 02:28:43.980
And luckily, former Anantek editor-in-chief, Ryan Smith, happened to see the segment.

02:28:43.980 --> 02:28:50.220
And he reached out to offer a little bit more insight into, you know, what exactly went down.

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He said that, realistically, he had not expected future.

02:28:56.860 --> 02:29:04.700
So that's the owner, future PLC, owner of Anantek, Tom's hardware, a variety of other publications.

02:29:04.700 --> 02:29:10.140
He hadn't expected them to keep the archive up forever, but he did expect that indefinitely

02:29:10.140 --> 02:29:16.860
would be longer than 11 months. And he personally was caught off guard by the shutdown, finding out about it on Twitter

02:29:16.860 --> 02:29:24.140
three days after it happened. Before it was taken down, there was 27 years of articles in the archive,

02:29:24.140 --> 02:29:30.460
including 20 years of Ryan's own work. He went on to say that he doesn't necessarily think that future had any malice in mind with

02:29:30.460 --> 02:29:35.740
the shutdown and speculated that they might have just done the math and didn't see enough value

02:29:35.740 --> 02:29:44.220
in keeping the site up. Anantek was hosted on a third-party hosting provider on a WISA, do I pronounce that WISA,

02:29:44.220 --> 02:29:47.420
W-I-S-A stack? I don't really hear it pronounced too often, but that sounds all right.

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Rather than on futures internal CMS. So this would probably be because Anantek was acquired as an outside publication,

02:29:56.860 --> 02:30:01.020
although I mean, future would have acquired a variety of other things, but it was acquired relatively recently.

02:30:01.020 --> 02:30:05.420
And the performance of the site after the acquisition, I don't think, was very good.

02:30:05.420 --> 02:30:09.420
So there would have been a quantifiable cost to keeping it up,

02:30:09.420 --> 02:30:15.580
and a quantifiable cost to porting that 27 years of articles over to their own CMS.

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Even before the sale, so this ended up being more true than I wanted it to be.

02:30:21.340 --> 02:30:25.820
I think I kind of pushed back on this theory, but even before the sale,

02:30:25.820 --> 02:30:30.380
AI crawlers and other bots were a significant problem for the site.

02:30:30.380 --> 02:30:37.100
Crawling and re-crawling the site constantly, the extreme load would slow systems to a crawl

02:30:37.100 --> 02:30:41.820
in the wee hours of the morning, often when Ryan was finalizing articles for the coming day.

02:30:45.740 --> 02:30:51.260
He wasn't quite as diplomatic describing the actions of AI bots in his email,

02:30:51.260 --> 02:30:55.980
did you get a chance to read his email? I think he called them f**king stupid or something like that,

02:30:56.620 --> 02:31:01.340
because they'll just check the same page over and over and over and over and over and over again.

02:31:01.340 --> 02:31:05.900
It's like, bro, what do you imagine has changed since you last checked it three seconds ago?

02:31:06.780 --> 02:31:13.820
But no, apparently that was a significant source of burden for maintaining the site,

02:31:13.820 --> 02:31:15.660
even before Future's acquisition.

02:31:17.180 --> 02:31:21.980
Ryan said that the Internet Archive seems to have the most complete copy of the site in terms of

02:31:21.980 --> 02:31:27.980
article pages and assets, but the wayback machine is unfortunately quite slow.

02:31:27.980 --> 02:31:34.700
The site had more than 20,000 articles and uncompressed used around 300 gigabytes of storage.

02:31:35.740 --> 02:31:40.780
This says- Oh, that question from earlier. Oh, they're probably gone. I never answered that.

02:31:41.340 --> 02:31:49.500
What? Sorry, the data usage of Flowplain. Our biggest bandwidth provider is doing, and we've been above this and we've been below this,

02:31:50.460 --> 02:31:52.060
200 terabytes a month.

02:31:54.780 --> 02:31:58.140
There's that answer from a long time ago. Is that good?

02:32:00.140 --> 02:32:02.780
What do you mean? I don't know. Is that good? Is that cool?

02:32:03.820 --> 02:32:05.820
Are we cool? Is that a lot? Is that enough terabytes?

02:32:06.860 --> 02:32:10.220
I don't know. Is that a cool amount of terabytes? We've done more. I know.

02:32:10.220 --> 02:32:15.900
We've done less. No, we suck. Jan Mech says 200 terabytes seems so much lower than I expected.

02:32:16.700 --> 02:32:20.620
Sorry, Jan Mech. That's one of our providers that doesn't include live streaming, that doesn't include downloads,

02:32:20.620 --> 02:32:22.940
that doesn't include a variety of things on the platform.

02:32:24.060 --> 02:32:27.420
It doesn't include- Yeah, I don't know. So basically- It's our largest provider.

02:32:27.420 --> 02:32:31.100
You took this long to give a bullshit answer. A partial answer, yeah.

02:32:31.100 --> 02:32:39.420
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, and you totally interrupted what we're talking about to bring us that bullshit answer.

02:32:40.460 --> 02:32:42.380
You know what? I'm glad you're here.

02:32:45.420 --> 02:32:49.980
Thanks for being part of it. Oh my goodness.

02:32:51.580 --> 02:32:54.860
People are using small b, no bytes, not bits.

02:32:54.860 --> 02:32:58.140
Yeah. Some people are using big b, but it's, yeah, it's bytes.

02:32:58.140 --> 02:33:00.060
Yep. Are we sharing this part?

02:33:01.580 --> 02:33:05.180
No. Okay, cool. We're definitely not. We're not talking about that.

02:33:05.180 --> 02:33:12.060
Nope. Cool. So I'm here to give information to a question for a very long time ago and keep things from the audience.

02:33:12.380 --> 02:33:18.460
Um, hey Dan, have you thought about swapping chairs with them?

02:33:19.580 --> 02:33:24.540
Because I feel like they'd like it. I feel like they'd like it. I'd have to get back to you on that in an hour and a half.

02:33:27.980 --> 02:33:28.860
Oh man.

02:33:33.660 --> 02:33:35.100
We're sure I need you to, right?

02:33:37.500 --> 02:33:41.100
I technically started the show, despite it largely being my idea,

02:33:41.180 --> 02:33:44.460
completely by yourself. Hey, well, hold on.

02:33:44.460 --> 02:33:45.980
I actually don't know if I remember this.

02:33:48.380 --> 02:33:55.740
The idea thing? Yeah, the idea thing. Yeah. Remember, we would drive home from NCX and talk about tech stuff and I was like,

02:33:55.740 --> 02:33:59.340
you know, just like 14 years ago now or something, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah.

02:33:59.340 --> 02:34:03.180
Okay. No, so I'm, oh, sorry. No, I'm saying I don't remember it.

02:34:03.180 --> 02:34:10.220
Okay. So like even our, the first interview I ever had with Linus, Linus drove me home because the interview was

02:34:10.940 --> 02:34:13.980
like many hours long and the buses stopped running.

02:34:13.980 --> 02:34:18.700
That makes sense. So I didn't have a way to get home. I mean, yeah, it's a totally safe thing to do when you go interview somewhere.

02:34:18.700 --> 02:34:23.340
Totally. You go into the, you know, windowless room with the couch and then they offer you a ride home

02:34:23.340 --> 02:34:25.420
and you take the ride. There was Windows, they were just blocked.

02:34:26.620 --> 02:34:34.860
I don't know if that was better. He's not wrong. And, and then it became relatively common routine because we always finished at like

02:34:36.220 --> 02:34:39.580
midnight or later. Yeah. So Linus would drive me home like all the time.

02:34:39.580 --> 02:34:43.740
Yeah. And we'd just talk about tech stuff on the drive home all the time. That's all we've ever really talked about.

02:34:44.780 --> 02:34:49.420
And then I was pushing that like, you know, people would probably be interested in this.

02:34:49.420 --> 02:34:53.820
We should do like a show thing and then you just started it by yourself.

02:34:55.340 --> 02:35:00.700
And the first like few end shows for a while, I think a couple months or something were just

02:35:00.700 --> 02:35:08.460
Linus and then I joined on eventually. So the way I, I don't actually remember this retelling of this,

02:35:08.540 --> 02:35:11.180
which sounds like we probably had somewhat parallel ideas,

02:35:11.820 --> 02:35:16.380
but I had the car talks idea before when show started. So I'm still claiming part of it.

02:35:16.380 --> 02:35:20.380
Yeah. I know you have a, you had a different. So I'll be honest with you.

02:35:20.380 --> 02:35:25.500
I don't remember my version of events anymore. Whatever it was, I know it was different.

02:35:25.500 --> 02:35:29.340
I do. You had some, there was some other reason why you wanted it.

02:35:29.340 --> 02:35:36.620
I wanted it because the car talks thing seemed cool. And I actually expected us to like literally just actually record it in the car.

02:35:36.620 --> 02:35:40.540
And it was going to be an actual podcast. Not a video podcast. Interesting.

02:35:40.540 --> 02:35:46.300
So what I do remember from that time is that unbox therapy was the existential threat

02:35:46.300 --> 02:35:48.860
to unboxing videos. What's up blue?

02:35:49.980 --> 02:35:54.140
Man, we haven't chatted in forever. Dude, I've become kind of like a hermit.

02:35:54.140 --> 02:35:57.020
Although, oh, hey, another cool video to tease.

02:35:57.660 --> 02:36:03.340
We went down to California and we built a sick NAS into Kyle from BitWit's desk.

02:36:03.340 --> 02:36:06.380
Nice. It's like actually great.

02:36:06.380 --> 02:36:11.900
We kind of did like a, like a setup doctor slash ultimate tech upgrade Intel sponsored it.

02:36:11.900 --> 02:36:17.740
So we, we built like a sick Intel based NAS. And it's like, it's like built into a sit stand desk.

02:36:18.300 --> 02:36:21.740
Because why wouldn't you have a NAS just like built under your desk?

02:36:21.740 --> 02:36:24.780
Sure. So it just, I don't know, it plugs into his switch was right there.

02:36:24.780 --> 02:36:28.060
We did a bunch of like cable management, put in some shelves. Adam and I did it.

02:36:28.060 --> 02:36:33.340
It can be awesome. Anyway, um, so yeah, unbox therapy was like an existential threat.

02:36:33.340 --> 02:36:38.860
And I remember that like live seemed like another existential threat.

02:36:38.860 --> 02:36:42.780
It was something that I did not understand really at all, like what the appeal was.

02:36:44.060 --> 02:36:50.380
Cause remember too, that this is back when like, like, uh, ephemeral temporary things were,

02:36:50.380 --> 02:36:53.900
were super trendy, like periscope, like, yeah, you're live.

02:36:53.900 --> 02:36:58.620
And then, and then after you're live, there's no vaude, it's gone. And I was like, okay.

02:36:58.620 --> 02:37:03.260
So that seems dumb, but because then you can never refer back to it.

02:37:04.300 --> 02:37:08.540
Which in retrospect, maybe I should have done most of my career like that because

02:37:08.540 --> 02:37:10.620
I would have saved myself a lot of controversies.

02:37:13.180 --> 02:37:17.260
And I remember just wanting some kind of foothold in live.

02:37:17.260 --> 02:37:22.140
And what I came up with was Q and A's, which was not a pitch at all.

02:37:22.140 --> 02:37:25.340
This sounds accurate to what I've heard you say in the past. Okay.

02:37:25.340 --> 02:37:29.020
Yeah. I remember pushing for the car talks thing like many times.

02:37:29.020 --> 02:37:32.700
So this is the original show. I think this is the very first live stream, right?

02:37:32.700 --> 02:37:36.140
Yes. And then it looks like you did two months of these.

02:37:36.140 --> 02:37:39.180
Linus Tech Tips live show. One, two, three, four.

02:37:39.180 --> 02:37:41.900
No, I think the first one is called Q and A though.

02:37:42.620 --> 02:37:47.180
This is maybe the first one in the playlist. This is the first that I remember.

02:37:47.180 --> 02:37:51.580
This isn't even our playlist. Our playlist only goes back to like 2021.

02:37:51.580 --> 02:37:54.620
Is there an older one? This is the first one I remember.

02:37:54.620 --> 02:37:56.860
I could be wrong. Man.

02:37:57.660 --> 02:38:00.940
September 2020. I remember that shirt. September 2012, sorry.

02:38:00.940 --> 02:38:06.300
You can barely tell with the crappy dynamic range, but it has horizontal pink and white stripes.

02:38:06.300 --> 02:38:08.940
Oh yeah, you can sort of... What was I thinking?

02:38:10.860 --> 02:38:15.020
You know? No wonder only 37,000 people watched it.

02:38:15.020 --> 02:38:17.100
It's trash. How did the second... It's trash. Get rid of it.

02:38:18.780 --> 02:38:23.100
Even worse. And then... Well, you can't keep doing the same thing over and over again, right?

02:38:23.100 --> 02:38:26.220
A little bit more. And then a little bit more.

02:38:27.260 --> 02:38:30.460
No, it's going to get way better when you join. Hey, look at this. I've got a monitor.

02:38:30.460 --> 02:38:32.780
That's a pretty good idea. Well, you're up quite a bit.

02:38:34.620 --> 02:38:35.980
The set's a little better now.

02:38:38.060 --> 02:38:43.420
The shirt's cooler now. Look at this haircut. Look at this haircut. It's trash. You got the flying V going on in your head.

02:38:43.420 --> 02:38:46.700
Trash haircut. The couch shows up.

02:38:46.700 --> 02:38:49.260
Oh, it's a couch. Let's go.

02:38:50.860 --> 02:38:54.060
And then hold on. Where's broken wing? The couch still exists. Where's broken wing?

02:38:54.060 --> 02:38:58.540
And then broken wing shows up. How does it do? Boom. Hey, the WAN Show.

02:38:58.540 --> 02:39:01.980
That's the first WAN Show. November 9th, 2012.

02:39:03.260 --> 02:39:06.940
Heck yeah. How does a follow-up do?

02:39:06.940 --> 02:39:09.820
In case you're wondering, he got hit by a car. Not nearly as well.

02:39:11.260 --> 02:39:16.140
Yeah, yeah. Dude, the scars that I have from that still exist.

02:39:16.140 --> 02:39:20.300
And I got... Well, that's how scars work. Well, yeah. It's not a scar if it goes away.

02:39:20.300 --> 02:39:24.940
The lab. I'm just saying. The lab's team. It's one of those things where people will walk in,

02:39:24.940 --> 02:39:29.740
they'll be like, man, you wouldn't believe it. This is crazy. I got electrocuted by the toaster.

02:39:29.740 --> 02:39:31.980
And I'm like, bro, stop right now.

02:39:32.940 --> 02:39:35.980
Because if you're not dead, you were not electrocuted. You're not electrocuted.

02:39:35.980 --> 02:39:39.580
Yeah. It's like poisonous and poison and venom.

02:39:41.020 --> 02:39:44.460
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, poisonous and venomous.

02:39:44.460 --> 02:39:47.820
So you have a permanent scar. Yes, carry on. Tell us about your scar.

02:39:47.820 --> 02:39:53.420
All my knuckles on this hand. It's permanent. And I got shot in airsoft directly on one of them.

02:39:53.420 --> 02:39:58.540
And it already sucks to get shot in a knuckle. And then it's like also on the scarring.

02:39:58.540 --> 02:40:03.900
And it really sucks. That's so funny. I got shot in the knuckle playing airsoft just the other day.

02:40:03.900 --> 02:40:12.860
I think this is it. Oh, yeah. I bought a couple of just like crappy little like spring load airsoft pistols.

02:40:12.860 --> 02:40:16.860
Don't demonetize me, YouTube. I made a gun shape with my hand.

02:40:16.860 --> 02:40:20.860
It's a walkie talkie shape. Yeah. Check, check. Roger over.

02:40:21.820 --> 02:40:24.620
Wilco. Team speak. You already said over.

02:40:25.980 --> 02:40:28.300
Copy. 10-4, good buddy.

02:40:29.980 --> 02:40:33.660
Anyway, yeah, that's such a coincidence. I was just goofing around with the kid.

02:40:33.660 --> 02:40:37.660
What were you doing playing airsoft? With the lab team. I know, but it's for the sake of them.

02:40:37.660 --> 02:40:42.780
Oh, we were just hanging out. Remember the whole thing where we talked about the week and then we pretend we haven't talked to each other?

02:40:43.660 --> 02:40:47.820
There was a long period where we really hadn't talked to each other at all

02:40:47.820 --> 02:40:56.300
other than Wancho throughout the week. Yeah, there was an initiative from mostly, I don't know if they want to be named for this or not.

02:40:56.860 --> 02:41:00.300
So I will not, but maybe, I don't know. Does that matter?

02:41:00.300 --> 02:41:03.660
Should I just say it? I don't know. I have no idea what you're talking about.

02:41:03.660 --> 02:41:08.860
One of the Labs members is very into it and basically put out an inquiry of like,

02:41:08.860 --> 02:41:11.100
are other Labs people interested in going? Cool.

02:41:11.900 --> 02:41:17.260
And people were, so they went. And I think it's open to people outside of Labs as well.

02:41:17.260 --> 02:41:21.740
But like, it's easier to organize within your own little group. So it's mostly just been lab stuff so far.

02:41:22.940 --> 02:41:27.340
And then. I didn't get an invite. I literally invited you last time.

02:41:27.340 --> 02:41:29.660
I invited you to come to the next one last time.

02:41:30.700 --> 02:41:36.860
I can go find the message. Okay. I mean, if you don't tell me when the next time is coming, that's not really a very good invite.

02:41:36.860 --> 02:41:39.900
I think we figured out a date today. It's not like a birthday. I haven't had time.

02:41:39.900 --> 02:41:44.860
It's not like a birthday where I could say, hey, well, I'd love to have you at my next birthday.

02:41:44.860 --> 02:41:46.860
And it will be on a consistent date.

02:41:48.300 --> 02:41:50.700
It's, it's often not.

02:41:52.300 --> 02:41:55.980
Birthday parties are often not on a specific date. I didn't say birthday party.

02:41:55.980 --> 02:41:58.460
I said birthday. Oh, okay. Yeah.

02:41:59.420 --> 02:42:01.660
Boom. Who gets invited to a birthday? Boom.

02:42:02.860 --> 02:42:06.540
Well, I'd like your presence to be there during a birthday.

02:42:06.540 --> 02:42:12.540
Yeah. Not the birthday party. Birthday parties on the weekend. You're not invited to that, but I would like you to be there.

02:42:13.500 --> 02:42:14.540
Just around.

02:42:16.700 --> 02:42:18.460
I'm going to go to work if you could just come with me.

02:42:23.340 --> 02:42:26.620
Wow. That was. I'm good.

02:42:26.620 --> 02:42:29.900
Wow. That sounded like it was probably very satisfying.

02:42:31.180 --> 02:42:34.460
It was in between satisfying and painful. And painful. Dang.

02:42:34.460 --> 02:42:38.300
Yeah. All right. Well, anyways, I have no idea where we're at right now.

02:42:38.300 --> 02:42:42.780
Let's do another topic. Spotify is adding direct messages.

02:42:43.820 --> 02:42:46.620
What? What?

02:42:47.820 --> 02:42:51.020
Why? Oh, the rest of it is for some reason.

02:42:53.180 --> 02:42:54.300
What is the point in this?

02:42:58.220 --> 02:43:04.060
You can send a DM from a song, send the song link as a DM.

02:43:05.180 --> 02:43:07.820
So conversation can follow. About the song.

02:43:08.780 --> 02:43:12.460
No one needed this. You can send a song link off platform.

02:43:13.100 --> 02:43:18.540
And when that person opens it, it can play from Spotify from within their DMs

02:43:18.540 --> 02:43:21.740
so that you can reply there instead of off platform.

02:43:23.100 --> 02:43:26.460
This can be clicked on by people who aren't your Spotify friend.

02:43:27.100 --> 02:43:29.660
They have to request to DM you.

02:43:31.500 --> 02:43:35.340
Basically. So in development unit within Spotify, just really,

02:43:36.140 --> 02:43:40.620
really needed something to do. I got to imagine that that's how this went down.

02:43:41.180 --> 02:43:43.340
Or hear me out.

02:43:45.900 --> 02:43:49.500
Absolutely everything needs DMs now.

02:43:50.300 --> 02:43:54.380
And Spotify just was recognizing an overwhelming trend

02:43:55.340 --> 02:43:57.980
and was compelled to get on board.

02:43:59.020 --> 02:44:03.180
Dude, do you have any idea how many apps on my phone

02:44:04.220 --> 02:44:06.700
are capable of sending messages to other people?

02:44:07.660 --> 02:44:12.940
I do not need more apps to send messages.

02:44:16.460 --> 02:44:20.140
Yeah. Like I'm a messaging chameleon.

02:44:20.140 --> 02:44:26.540
Like on my phone right now, with unread messages,

02:44:26.540 --> 02:44:32.940
I have WhatsApp, I have SMS, I have email, and I have Teams.

02:44:32.940 --> 02:44:36.140
That's just with unread messages in the period of time

02:44:36.140 --> 02:44:44.780
since I've last touched my phone and cleared things that I don't need. Other than that, I have Discord, WeChat, Messenger, Instagram.

02:44:45.420 --> 02:44:47.580
I have TikTok has DMs, right?

02:44:48.540 --> 02:44:55.020
I have Steam chat. Like, oh, does Twitch have DMs?

02:44:55.020 --> 02:44:58.780
Trying to remember. Meanwhile, he's just reading his DMs.

02:44:58.780 --> 02:45:02.380
No, I got to read this now message. Twitch does have DMs.

02:45:02.380 --> 02:45:05.660
Yeah, okay. How could I possibly?

02:45:05.660 --> 02:45:10.140
Oh yeah, I forgot about Gmail also has chat built into it.

02:45:10.700 --> 02:45:13.100
There's too many.

02:45:14.300 --> 02:45:19.260
Oh, yeah, no, I don't use it regularly, but I have Signal,

02:45:19.260 --> 02:45:24.140
I think it is. I have either Signal or Telegram or something.

02:45:24.140 --> 02:45:28.860
Occasionally, there's a contact that will message me there, so I have to make sure that I have it.

02:45:28.860 --> 02:45:35.180
I have to have all the things. I mean, and I'm not even counting the ones that do have specific DM function,

02:45:35.180 --> 02:45:38.780
like Uber, where you can DM your driver. I'm not going to count that.

02:45:38.780 --> 02:45:43.340
I'm not going to count that. I'm just saying there's, I mean, you can DM people through Google Docs,

02:45:43.340 --> 02:45:50.060
if you really want to. There's just, there's no shortage of places that I can send direct messages,

02:45:50.060 --> 02:45:52.620
and I don't need more of them. Thank you very much, Spotify.

02:45:53.180 --> 02:45:59.900
Please screw off with your social media building features of your website,

02:45:59.900 --> 02:46:03.340
because, and this is really is the biggest reason,

02:46:03.340 --> 02:46:08.540
because normally I could just ignore it. I could pretend that this feature completely doesn't exist,

02:46:09.180 --> 02:46:15.020
but what another DM inbox means to me is another place that I can get spammed,

02:46:15.020 --> 02:46:18.220
and that I can get notifications cluttering up my biz.

02:46:22.220 --> 02:46:27.740
Please stop. No more notifications, no more inboxes.

02:46:27.740 --> 02:46:33.180
Do you need another inbox, Luke? I wish I had less. So the reason why I originally picked up my phone was to check the,

02:46:34.220 --> 02:46:36.700
the like messages communication.

02:46:37.740 --> 02:46:41.500
Nice. Yeah. Just too many. Oh yeah. You got threads in there.

02:46:41.500 --> 02:46:44.620
You got blue sky. Why are they all blue?

02:46:44.620 --> 02:46:47.820
So no line, WeChat, meat, what's that? All blue.

02:46:47.820 --> 02:46:52.620
Other meat. Oh yeah. I have line on my other phone. Threads, teams, Telegram messenger.

02:46:52.620 --> 02:46:58.700
A lot of these, I never, ever use them. And you know that some non-tax savvy person with Spotify

02:46:58.700 --> 02:47:02.540
is going to get some spam Nigerian Prince DM and like,

02:47:02.540 --> 02:47:06.620
it's just, it's another bloody attack vector. And it doesn't need to be there.

02:47:06.620 --> 02:47:10.060
A lot of these, it's cause like one person that I know uses it

02:47:10.060 --> 02:47:15.980
and they just like refuse to use anything else. And it's like, okay, I guess.

02:47:15.980 --> 02:47:21.020
I mean, that's why I have one of mine. And the person who won't use anything else is you.

02:47:22.460 --> 02:47:25.660
There's no way you don't have other people that you communicate with over that.

02:47:25.660 --> 02:47:27.900
On Discord? Yeah. There's no way.

02:47:29.020 --> 02:47:32.700
You have played games of other people on Discord when I am not there. That has happened.

02:47:32.700 --> 02:47:34.460
I wouldn't need it on my phone for anyone else.

02:47:35.900 --> 02:47:41.980
Like, here, look how far you have to go to find people I haven't spoken to in over a month.

02:47:43.340 --> 02:47:47.180
You are literally- We can use something else. We can use something else.

02:47:47.180 --> 02:47:51.900
I, now, I understand his hesitation.

02:47:52.780 --> 02:47:57.020
But I have told you, I'm on WhatsApp. That's what I primarily use.

02:47:57.260 --> 02:48:02.700
So you're the guy that is the reason that I have to use Discord on mobile.

02:48:02.700 --> 02:48:07.580
I do have it now though. You're the guy. If you really want to use it, it's installed now.

02:48:07.580 --> 02:48:11.100
But you know what, you know what this means? Is I would do that for you.

02:48:12.700 --> 02:48:18.060
I would, I would do, I would do that for you. You are worth, you are worth maintaining.

02:48:18.060 --> 02:48:21.820
When I get, see honestly, this is actually kind of hilarious because

02:48:22.460 --> 02:48:28.780
I think that would be a super cool feature for a messaging app if the,

02:48:31.580 --> 02:48:36.460
if the, the icon, the like lock screen icon could be different for your different contacts.

02:48:37.100 --> 02:48:42.140
Because when I get a Discord icon, I know it's probably you.

02:48:43.740 --> 02:48:50.460
That actually, that would be kind of cool. I don't- Maybe what we should do is we should build DMs into Flow Plane.

02:48:51.980 --> 02:48:56.220
We'll turn Flow Plane into a messaging platform and that'll be our key feature.

02:48:56.220 --> 02:49:02.940
Is you can assign a different notification icon to your key contacts so that at a glance,

02:49:02.940 --> 02:49:06.700
you can like be excited to hear from your BFF. Is that possible?

02:49:06.700 --> 02:49:11.980
Oh, probably not. I don't care. I don't think so. I'm, I'm, I'm just saying that whenever I get a-

02:49:11.980 --> 02:49:14.700
Call Flow Plane DMs airmail. Whenever I see a-

02:49:19.340 --> 02:49:23.660
Sorry, it scrolled off my screen, but that was a great idea. No, it's not a great idea.

02:49:23.660 --> 02:49:26.780
It's 2025. It's Naki. It's 2025.

02:49:26.780 --> 02:49:28.220
It has to be air gender neutral.

02:49:29.820 --> 02:49:32.460
He's not there to ding me. Dang it. No, it wasn't even worth it.

02:49:40.940 --> 02:49:41.180
Yep.

02:49:45.980 --> 02:49:49.500
Guess what? What? Monkey Butt.

02:49:49.500 --> 02:49:53.260
Scrap Your Roars is ready to publish. Oh, okay. Sure. Let's do that thing.

02:49:53.260 --> 02:49:57.420
Yeah. FlowPlane.com.

02:49:57.420 --> 02:50:00.540
All right. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Do you want to start another topic in the meantime?

02:50:01.260 --> 02:50:05.500
Sure. Oh, no, that's your topic.

02:50:05.500 --> 02:50:09.100
I will leave you that. I know you want that. I want a topic?

02:50:09.100 --> 02:50:12.780
You want a topic. You want it pretty bad, I think.

02:50:12.780 --> 02:50:16.220
Do I? Yep. Okay. Hold on here. I'll, uh, okay.

02:50:16.220 --> 02:50:19.340
We're doing it. I can do this other one. We're doing it. Scrap Your Roars. Boom.

02:50:20.700 --> 02:50:23.900
She's live, baby. Scrap Your Roars, part three. Let's go.

02:50:23.900 --> 02:50:27.660
And, uh, this really, this really was the vibe.

02:50:31.820 --> 02:50:32.700
Man, I...

02:50:36.780 --> 02:50:39.580
Your team went through some things.

02:50:42.300 --> 02:50:44.700
I just watched it this morning. Wow.

02:50:46.860 --> 02:50:49.740
Wow. Um... I haven't seen it yet.

02:50:50.540 --> 02:50:52.540
I can only imagine. Yeah.

02:50:54.780 --> 02:50:57.980
This is, this isn't the end, right? No. Oh, yeah.

02:50:57.980 --> 02:51:01.260
No, the last one has the last two hours of scramble

02:51:01.260 --> 02:51:04.540
on the final morning and the judging. So that'll be coming.

02:51:04.540 --> 02:51:07.740
So there's more to go for sure. There's more to go. That last two hours is...

02:51:08.700 --> 02:51:12.060
I can, no, they tee up the last two hours very well.

02:51:12.060 --> 02:51:14.780
It's full of stuff. Yeah. Yep.

02:51:15.580 --> 02:51:19.020
Uh, there will be a commentary version on Floatplane.

02:51:19.020 --> 02:51:23.100
Uh, the Not So Bright says. Oh, really? Yeah. We announced that earlier this show.

02:51:23.820 --> 02:51:28.860
So you... Who's commentating? Clearly weren't paying attention. There's going to be a live stream, I think,

02:51:28.860 --> 02:51:32.460
in a couple weeks. Who's doing that? Um... Everybody.

02:51:32.460 --> 02:51:35.740
Yeah, except us. Oh. Yeah, you don't get to be involved.

02:51:35.740 --> 02:51:41.580
Yeah, we get no voice in this. Oh, boy. So our teams get to say exactly what they think of us

02:51:41.580 --> 02:51:46.860
and our leadership. I'm probably going to get flayed, and it's probably fine.

02:51:46.860 --> 02:51:49.980
I was barely alive that whole week. Yeah.

02:51:49.980 --> 02:51:53.420
It's a Floatplane exclusive on September 9th. All right.

02:51:55.420 --> 02:51:59.820
Uh, okay. Florida and Texas have teamed up to save the children.

02:51:59.820 --> 02:52:03.580
Schools in Florida districts will begin training the use of armed...

02:52:03.580 --> 02:52:11.580
What? What are we doing?

02:52:11.580 --> 02:52:17.580
They're going to be trialing the use of armed drones to respond to school shooting incidents

02:52:17.580 --> 02:52:23.900
starting in the coming school year. The drones a product of campus guardian angel.

02:52:23.900 --> 02:52:27.260
The drone is a product of campus guardian angel.

02:52:27.340 --> 02:52:36.780
Sorry, it's not funny. It's just why are we living in the actual dumbest possible timeline?

02:52:38.780 --> 02:52:43.740
The drone's a product of campus guardian angel, which sounds like the evil corporation

02:52:43.740 --> 02:52:50.620
in a video game, will be securely pre-positioned on charging pads on the school year.

02:52:50.940 --> 02:52:57.100
Starting in September and October and can reach speeds of up to 50 miles per hour indoors

02:52:58.460 --> 02:53:02.940
and 100 miles per hour outdoors, allowing them to quickly cover large campuses.

02:53:02.940 --> 02:53:09.020
The drones are flown remotely by operators at the company's Austin headquarters and can provide

02:53:09.020 --> 02:53:13.500
real-time video to first responders and deployed non-lethal.

02:53:13.500 --> 02:53:18.380
And less lethal, which is always a really fun term.

02:53:18.380 --> 02:53:22.380
What does less lethal mean? It means you probably won't die.

02:53:24.380 --> 02:53:28.380
Anyway, it's less lethal weapons to... Well, it depends on where you get hit.

02:53:28.380 --> 02:53:38.380
You got two arms. Yeah, I mean even a 22 is going to get you if it goes right between your ribcage and into your heart.

02:53:39.260 --> 02:53:45.260
In your eyeball can also be a rough one because you got a bunch of brain goop back there.

02:53:45.260 --> 02:53:49.260
I mean, speak for yourself. I said you.

02:53:49.260 --> 02:53:53.260
You've got... You got a lot of brain goop going on.

02:53:53.260 --> 02:53:57.260
I meant what I said. You got that good brain goop.

02:53:57.260 --> 02:54:01.260
Thank you, I appreciate that. No problem.

02:54:01.260 --> 02:54:05.260
If I understood what you said, which I don't think I do.

02:54:06.140 --> 02:54:16.140
Anyways. Yeah, so they can do non-lethal and less lethal weapons to distract, disorient, and incapacitate shooters.

02:54:16.140 --> 02:54:20.140
The system is expected to be fully operational by January. Discussion question.

02:54:20.140 --> 02:54:24.140
How would you feel about this kind of system being installed at your kid's school?

02:54:24.140 --> 02:54:32.140
I'm going to be honest with you. If my kids went to school in Florida, I'd actually probably be glad that it's there.

02:54:33.020 --> 02:54:37.020
I realize that's going to be... I don't know.

02:54:37.020 --> 02:54:45.020
I always find it interesting seeing the way that the buckets that people try to fit me into.

02:54:45.020 --> 02:54:49.020
I think there's going to be a lot of people that... They're like, wait.

02:54:49.020 --> 02:54:53.020
Find that to be a very unexpected take. I'm a lot less concerned now that I read the whole thing.

02:54:53.020 --> 02:54:57.020
When I first read armed drones, usually when you say armed, you mean like...

02:54:57.020 --> 02:55:01.020
Fire armed. I thought it was flying drone with a gun.

02:55:01.100 --> 02:55:05.100
Now it's like flying drone with maybe a gun that shoots beanbags.

02:55:05.100 --> 02:55:09.100
Those beanbags can be really brutal. But it also said non-lethal.

02:55:09.100 --> 02:55:17.100
And if it's like a drone that whips over to an area and can get to a target and like...

02:55:17.100 --> 02:55:27.100
I don't know, mace or whatever else, put some type of irritant agent.

02:55:27.100 --> 02:55:31.180
What are they called that make you cry and you can't see very well necessarily? So that you can't execute your plan.

02:55:31.180 --> 02:55:37.180
That could be pretty good in areas where this is consistently a problem.

02:55:37.180 --> 02:55:41.180
Pepper ball. Pepper ball is a thing.

02:55:41.180 --> 02:55:45.180
Look, I'd... Tasers interesting because people have died from tasers.

02:55:45.180 --> 02:55:49.180
Yeah, tasers is a tough one. But it does save...

02:55:49.180 --> 02:55:53.180
It's also a lot harder to aim. Yeah, tasers are...

02:55:53.180 --> 02:55:57.180
You got to be exactly the right distance from the target and all that. If they're wearing like a thick sweater or a jacket.

02:55:57.260 --> 02:56:05.260
You know, this actually reminds me. There's an anti-theft, like a burglary countermeasure that you can deploy in stores

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that basically just puts out like a thick fog.

02:56:09.260 --> 02:56:13.260
And as much as... Okay, just hear me out.

02:56:13.260 --> 02:56:17.260
How toxic is that to breathe? Hear me out.

02:56:17.260 --> 02:56:23.260
Apparently it's non-toxic. But I'm not actually advocating for the thick fog, but you did bring up irritants.

02:56:23.260 --> 02:56:31.340
Yeah. Would I rather that an entire school of children gets pepper sprayed?

02:56:31.340 --> 02:56:37.340
Or would I rather... But it incapacitates an attacker?

02:56:37.340 --> 02:56:43.340
Or would I rather let a couple lambs be...

02:56:45.340 --> 02:56:49.340
I don't think anyone's ever died from an eye irritant.

02:56:49.340 --> 02:56:53.340
Yes, although rare. Really?

02:56:53.420 --> 02:56:55.420
The allergy.

02:56:57.420 --> 02:57:01.420
Subjected to other restraining techniques during the pepper spray that's also interesting.

02:57:01.420 --> 02:57:05.420
Or had a severe reaction to the spray, such as something I can't properly pronounce.

02:57:05.420 --> 02:57:09.420
Here it is. This is the one, security fog.

02:57:09.420 --> 02:57:13.420
Security fog. How thick is this fog?

02:57:13.420 --> 02:57:17.420
It's thick. That looks pretty thick.

02:57:17.420 --> 02:57:21.420
She's thick like, damn girl, she's thick. Like you're not finding anything in there.

02:57:21.500 --> 02:57:31.500
Wow. So the idea is to disorient anyone who's trying to find stuff and move around.

02:57:31.500 --> 02:57:35.500
Yeah, the more you run around in there, the more you're going to toss the fog around, make it harder to see.

02:57:35.500 --> 02:57:41.500
Well, we're gone now. So that's like 15, 20 seconds, 30 seconds maybe.

02:57:41.500 --> 02:57:45.500
It takes some time. It does take some time, but you've got to be...

02:57:45.500 --> 02:57:49.500
I mean, we've been robbed before. We know about how long it takes.

02:57:49.580 --> 02:57:55.580
It takes them a couple minutes, no matter how fast they are. There's also going to be a moment of like, what the heck is happening?

02:57:55.580 --> 02:57:59.580
That's a full warehouse. It's not an indoor sort of foot ceiling, right?

02:57:59.580 --> 02:58:05.580
I saw one with like a convenience store that was like fast, like really fast.

02:58:05.580 --> 02:58:09.580
I think like a fog...

02:58:09.580 --> 02:58:17.580
If you could have like a fog counter measure with like a thermally equipped drone or something like that,

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look, I'm going to be pro...

02:58:21.660 --> 02:58:25.660
Okay, I'm not going to get into the debate.

02:58:25.660 --> 02:58:29.660
I thought it was a drone with like a gun that shoots bullets.

02:58:29.660 --> 02:58:33.660
I'm not going to get into the debate, you know, in terms of like firearms culture in the U.S.

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That's y'all's thing to figure out.

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All I'll say is that... All I'll say is that things are what they are at the moment.

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There's clearly a mental health crisis and issues that are leading people to commit these heinous acts.

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And if this drone deployment thing saves one kid, then it's worth it to me 100%.

02:59:03.740 --> 02:59:07.740
Do I think that this is something that could save one kid?

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Yeah, probably. I feel I'm much more interested in the non-lethal aspects and not because I'm like, oh my god, save the shooter.

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It's just shooting a rubber bullet or a beanbag at an active shooter.

02:59:23.820 --> 02:59:33.820
I feel like encourages them to go faster, not actually stops them personally.

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And I feel like a lot of the non-lethal options, like the smoke or...

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I don't know if they're putting pepper spray in non-lethal or less lethal.

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I'm assuming they're putting it in non-lethal. I think it might have been a type of it, might be less than lethal.

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Whenever they include the less, there are versions where people like definitely die.

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Because if there's kids involved, it only takes one... Because a high impact to a head is like...

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Right. Things happen.

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People die in street fights with punches all the time. Now you're putting a projectile, stuff happens.

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Rubber bullets kill people. It's totally a thing.

03:00:13.980 --> 03:00:17.980
Someone's talking about tactical strobe lights. Things that can...

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I'd love to be... That's a cool idea in a place that this does happen.

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Anything disorienting that can slow them down is...

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As long as it doesn't have the potential side effect of permanently damaging a child...

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Yeah, that's the part I'm worried about. It's worth a shot, man.

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Do something that seems cool. Yeah, the general concept I'm actually not that against.

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I don't like the idea of it being a flying gun controlled by a remote operator that might be difficult to stop.

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Because then you could have the issues with the remote operators. Yep.

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And you also have... I don't know...

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How is the... How is the persistent on target of that flying gun?

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I don't know. What is the chance that it misses?

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Hit somebody that isn't the intended target. So...

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Yeah. Again, good luck, America.

03:01:28.220 --> 03:01:34.220
It's interesting. AMD let the cat out of the bag and now the cat won't go back in the bag.

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Imagine that. You ever tried to put a cat in a bag?

03:01:38.220 --> 03:01:42.220
Yeah, this makes sense. This week, AMD released...

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Was it last week? At some point, AMD released the FidelityFX SDK 2.0.

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Which... Just happened to contain FSR4.

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And this may turn out to be an irrevocable mistake.

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Although they quickly took down the source code, once something is released as open source under the MIT license, apparently it cannot be revoked.

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Users can legally use, modify, and even release their own forks of the project.

03:02:08.300 --> 03:02:14.300
And although every previous version of FSR was already open source, there had been no announcement made about FSR4.

03:02:14.380 --> 03:02:26.380
The leaked version of FSR4 also included support for intake shaders, which means that they may be testing the currently locked to 9000 series feature on older cards.

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Realistically, AMD was probably going to be cool about this eventually.

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And I'm a little annoyed on their behalf that it's... their hand is kind of being forced before they can...

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Especially because they are usually really cool about this. Yeah, if they weren't usually cool about it, I'd be like, ah, corporation!

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And to be clear, AMD is not cool about everything, but this is something that they've been pretty cool about.

03:02:48.460 --> 03:02:52.460
Especially compared to competitors, they've been very nice to the open source.

03:02:52.460 --> 03:03:00.460
I kind of feel for them. I kind of feel for them. I'm down with them, but I'm also down with just like new features being available to everybody for free, so that's cool.

03:03:00.460 --> 03:03:04.460
Ah, good job everyone. And hey, new features available.

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This, I thought was impossible.

03:03:08.460 --> 03:03:20.540
Framework announced this week. Framework announced this week that you can now get the Framework laptop 16 with the GeForce RTX 5070.

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And that is a pretty remarkable thing.

03:03:24.540 --> 03:03:26.540
You know what's more remarkable about it?

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You can also order the Framework laptop 16 investment disclosure graphics module with the GeForce RTX 5070

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and upgrade your laptop's graphics for exceptional gaming and blah, blah, blah, blah, upgrade your laptop.

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Are you going to do it?

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What? Are you going to do it? They did it.

03:03:57.620 --> 03:04:01.620
Are you going to do it? Oh, I mean, I don't know about that, but they did it.

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It's sick. They did it. I have no idea how they pulled that off.

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They did it. Luke, they did it. Dude, companies, companies have been sued.

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Companies have lost millions of dollars in previous attempts to deliver an upgradeable GPU freaking laptop.

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And not only did Framework do it, Framework did it with NVIDIA.

03:04:28.620 --> 03:04:32.620
Dude, do you know how long NVIDIA has been trying to kill?

03:04:33.620 --> 03:04:36.620
Like laptop GPU modules.

03:04:36.620 --> 03:04:42.620
Every generation, they say we're not doing MXM anymore.

03:04:42.620 --> 03:04:49.620
Forget it. ASRock's Desk Mini, those cute little desktops that had the CPU here and then they had a little MXM slot

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so you could put a GPU on it. I have like a 1080 based one at home.

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Dead because of no support for MXM.

03:04:58.620 --> 03:05:03.620
Laptops with interchangeable, what GPU you get in it where you can customize it before you buy it.

03:05:03.620 --> 03:05:09.620
On life support, practically dead because NVIDIA doesn't want to support the standard.

03:05:09.620 --> 03:05:12.620
As far as I can tell. Oh, who was it?

03:05:12.620 --> 03:05:18.620
Silverstone had this super cool eGPU, like Thunderbolt eGPU that was going to use MXM.

03:05:18.620 --> 03:05:21.620
So it was going to be really small and flipping, freaking awesome.

03:05:21.620 --> 03:05:25.620
Killed because they couldn't get the support for MXM.

03:05:25.620 --> 03:05:29.620
How did they do this? I have no idea.

03:05:31.620 --> 03:05:35.620
This is crazy. It's pretty wild.

03:05:37.620 --> 03:05:40.620
Upgradable graphics. On a laptop.

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I mean, I've only got a couple options. Do you think it will continue?

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Do you think they're going to have a 6070? Well, I would have told you no, it's impossible.

03:05:51.620 --> 03:05:55.620
One thing that worries me about this is, okay, cool.

03:05:55.620 --> 03:05:58.620
I can upgrade as in repair.

03:05:58.620 --> 03:06:02.620
Can I upgrade? Well, no, this is a 6070.

03:06:02.620 --> 03:06:05.620
Will there be a 7070? Is there a path forward?

03:06:05.620 --> 03:06:11.620
So what's cool about frameworks interface is it's just PCIe by 8.

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That's all it is. It's custom.

03:06:14.620 --> 03:06:20.620
I believe they, I don't know how open they made it, but fairly open.

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So I'm pretty sure just about anyone can like make something that attaches to it,

03:06:25.620 --> 03:06:29.620
but they did have to create something scratch because they just didn't exist

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an interface that they could use for their geometry of the GPU installation anyway.

03:06:37.620 --> 03:06:42.620
So there's no technical reason why just about any GPU couldn't plug into it.

03:06:42.620 --> 03:06:47.620
And then the limit just becomes how big of a caboose you have on.

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How much room you need for thermals and.

03:06:50.620 --> 03:06:53.620
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, for cooling.

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This is the second GPU, but it's not the second NVIDIA GPU, right?

03:06:56.620 --> 03:07:04.620
No, it was the first NVIDIA GPU. So if you buy one with a 5070 today, you're asking, will there be an upgrade path?

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Before today, I'd have said no. Or I'd have said this is going to be difficult, you know?

03:07:12.620 --> 03:07:15.620
But they freaking done it, Luke.

03:07:15.620 --> 03:07:21.620
Do you know how many generations of laptop motherboards they've had for the framework 13, too?

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They're up to, are they up to four now or something ridiculous like that?

03:07:25.620 --> 03:07:31.620
I'm not sure. Without fundamentally changing the chassis, you can have a framework laptop of Theseus

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from back when they first launched it. I'm sure someone does.

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That has literally nothing left in it from back then and is just all new current gen parts.

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So if anyone can do it, it's framework.

03:07:47.620 --> 03:07:52.620
So at this point, man, I think it's really cool in a like business and negotiation standpoint.

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And I'm stoked for people that like need NVIDIA GPUs for whatever they're doing, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

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At this point, I'm more interested in AMD stuff, potentially Intel stuff as well,

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because I'm hoping to stick with Linux on my on my laptop.

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And the NVIDIA GPU in my current laptop is annoying to work around.

03:08:17.620 --> 03:08:21.620
It is the most annoying thing I've had to deal with so far.

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Is that when I do GPU stuff, it can like be frustrating.

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That's about it, dude. This is wicked.

03:08:29.620 --> 03:08:32.620
This is very cool. I'm so excited for them.

03:08:32.620 --> 03:08:35.620
Most people are buying NVIDIA. It is what it is.

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Most people are buying NVIDIA. So now that's potentially bringing more people to repairable laptops, which is awesome.

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I just, man, I don't think it'll be that easy right now.

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But if I could find my email to Narav when I first found out that they were trying to do an upgradeable laptop.

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Man, Narav gaming, I don't know.

03:09:06.620 --> 03:09:09.620
I'll try. But in the meantime, it's time to switch over to After Dark.

03:09:09.620 --> 03:09:16.620
Sorry, one second. This is for sure just supposed to be we did it and then like a rocket ship and an exclamation mark.

03:09:16.620 --> 03:09:19.620
It really makes me think we did it AI.

03:09:19.620 --> 03:09:23.620
Oh, oh yeah. I can see that.

03:09:23.620 --> 03:09:28.620
Maybe both. I mean, it's got an NVIDIA GPU and it probably does AI.

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Yeah.

03:09:37.620 --> 03:09:40.620
Dan, it's time for After Dark.

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Let's do that.

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See if I can see if I can find anything.

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Nice.

03:09:55.620 --> 03:09:59.620
It's still futzing through things or.

03:09:59.620 --> 03:10:02.620
Oh yeah. Yeah, you can read one. Sure.

03:10:02.620 --> 03:10:09.620
It's my birthday Monday and I'm throwing together a video game Olympics for the second time.

03:10:09.620 --> 03:10:12.620
What are some good games that we should play?

03:10:12.620 --> 03:10:15.620
Nidhogg. Teams of two. Oh.

03:10:15.620 --> 03:10:17.620
Okay. Not that.

03:10:19.620 --> 03:10:21.620
Teams of two.

03:10:22.620 --> 03:10:27.620
That actually really narrows it down extremely.

03:10:27.620 --> 03:10:31.620
How many games are like 2v2? I guess you could play.

03:10:31.620 --> 03:10:35.620
I mean, there's Wingman, but like you all have to be into FPS.

03:10:35.620 --> 03:10:38.620
So like, mm-hmm. Yep. You could play some Rocket League.

03:10:38.620 --> 03:10:42.620
I'm surprised you went out the Wingman. Well, it's a 2v2 format, is it not?

03:10:42.620 --> 03:10:46.620
No, for sure. It's just, have you ever played Wingman?

03:10:46.620 --> 03:10:49.620
I've played with you. Oh. Clearly it wasn't memorable though.

03:10:49.620 --> 03:10:53.620
It was just a long time ago. I played a lot of Wingman.

03:10:53.620 --> 03:11:02.620
Yeah, just when you played it with me, it just wasn't satisfying, I guess.

03:11:02.620 --> 03:11:05.620
I get it. Oh, my bad.

03:11:05.620 --> 03:11:09.620
This is what no chicken does to a man.

03:11:09.620 --> 03:11:12.620
He had to eat a Subway sandwich today and he's still recovering.

03:11:12.620 --> 03:11:15.620
Honestly, I think I am. I'm very disappointed.

03:11:15.620 --> 03:11:19.620
We're a little bit too busy dealing with house stuff that I don't actually want to talk about

03:11:19.620 --> 03:11:23.620
instead of being able to cook.

03:11:23.620 --> 03:11:26.620
At least you found one game. That's probably good enough.

03:11:26.620 --> 03:11:31.620
People in chat have brought up some cool stuff. Rocket League definitely supports 2v2 very effectively.

03:11:31.620 --> 03:11:36.620
Tape to tape, you could definitely 2v2 it, especially if you include some AI.

03:11:36.620 --> 03:11:39.620
You could theoretically 2v2 in League of Legends.

03:11:39.620 --> 03:11:42.620
You could 2v2 Space Cadet Table.

03:11:42.620 --> 03:11:46.620
You each get one flipper. That would legitimately be fun.

03:11:46.620 --> 03:11:49.620
That would honestly be pretty legit actually, I think. That would be awesome.

03:11:49.620 --> 03:11:55.620
You would enjoy it. You'd love it. Someone pointed out you could do 4 1v1s in Nidhogg.

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Do a little tourney. Oh, Left 4 Dead.

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Left 4 Dead with bots. Play co-op.

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Everyone has fun. Except the people who, you know, you're not shooting the smoker's tongue.

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You gotta shoot the smoker's tongue. You gotta break the tongue.

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I'm taking damage here, you know. I'm not a lot of fun to play Left 4 Dead with, I think.

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I think it's pretty fun, but yeah.

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Gas racing suggested Starcraft. Yeah, you could bolt.

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You know, it'd be kind of interesting to pull out an RTS that none of you have ever played

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and just wing it. There's a new...

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That'd be kind of cool. There's a new RTS coming, isn't there?

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You're not talking about that one from the ex-Lizard folks. The Storm Forge or whatever.

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That didn't seem to work out super well. Yeah, I think they're in trouble.

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Oh, really? Yeah. That sucks.

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Is that what it's called? Something along those lines.

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Tempest Rising?

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That's not the one I was talking about. Storm Gate?

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Storm Gate.

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I don't know.

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My bad. Can't find it. Smash Bros?

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You could totally do Smash Bros. 2v2 Smash Bros is actually hella fun.

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Oh, boy. Apparently that, yeah.

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So, I actually agree.

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The word scam is used in contexts that are, like, not good.

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I don't have a lot of... I don't have a lot of context for this drama,

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but, yeah, words mean what they mean. Get good.

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Also, this is a bit of a problem, though.

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Ah. Did it get review bombed?

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That's possible. After you said stuff? Apparently in our language.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Well, good luck with that.

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I have no idea what's going on with that game.

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Do you want some more? I do. Hello from Japan.

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I'm currently on the train heading back to the airport

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to catch my flight back to Canada. Have any of you also been here?

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I would love to hear your experience if you have.

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Luke and I went to Japan together once. Yeah.

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It was great, actually. Yeah, other than the...

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Really awesome trip. A little bit of light sexual harassment on your part,

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but okay. What?

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You tried to get me naked. Oh, I did.

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He did? I was naked. He was.

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I'm not much of a steam room guy.

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It wasn't a steam room. Or whatever.

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It's called the Onsen. Yeah. Onsen.

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Yeah. I got too many tattoos. Yeah.

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I'm good to go. Oh, I know. I'm bare.

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Luke was a team sports kind of kid growing up.

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I never really did the let's all just whip it out in the locker

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room thing and I'm honestly not that into it.

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I'm not particularly like into it, but I was in Japan

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and wanted to do Japanese things.

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You did it right. You did it right. And I got to hang out with one of the engineers from Omron

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who we were just with and it was actually super chill. Yeah.

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I believe you. Yeah. It was cool.

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Yeah. Well, actually it was quite warm. Yeah, yeah.

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That makes sense. Yeah. In spite of the nudity.

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You might even say it was hot. I don't have any tattoos.

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I could have believed it either way to be honest.

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Yeah. I was going for like the Yakuza vibe.

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No one has ever seen my giant full back.

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Tiger. Tiger, you know, eating a rooster kind of thing.

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Yeah. Linus in all capitals.

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What was your favorite tech growing up?

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Gaming computers. Wow.

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I mean, I really liked my Discman.

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Discman were sweet. That was a game changer, dude.

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I mean, oh man, having to like hold the rewind button.

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I'm the kind of person who gets hooked on a song. And I just like, I want to hear that song over and over again,

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especially when I was younger. So I'd have to like get good at memorizing how long I have to

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hold the rewind button in order to get back to the point where

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the song starts on my Walkman. And so, dude, upgrading to a disc.

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That was an absolute life changer for me. I started being able to burn my own mix CDs and stuff.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, so good.

03:16:41.620 --> 03:16:44.620
Yeah. So, oh man, that's tough.

03:16:44.620 --> 03:16:48.620
But then I couldn't make a mix CD without my gaming PC.

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Was really a gaming PC at that point. It all comes back to the computer.

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But it had a CD burner. So that was, you know, pretty good.

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Ooh, I had a really slow CD burner.

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But still, I could set it to go at night and then I could get up

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in the morning and sometimes it wouldn't be a coaster.

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Those were exciting mornings.

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God, our tech sucked.

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I remember we had Net Nanny and I used to play RuneScape back in,

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I'm assuming this was like 2002 or something.

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And I would load up RuneScape and it would take so long to load.

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It would successfully load, which is actually really interesting

03:17:28.620 --> 03:17:34.620
to me at this point. Right. So many things today would time out before even trying for that long.

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Something would go wrong. Yeah. But it would successfully load.

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But I would go downstairs and make a sandwich and a drink and consume both

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and then come back upstairs and then it would finish.

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And you guys have no idea how long it takes him to eat a sandwich.

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It's remarkable. He manages to consume enough calories to maintain his size.

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Yeah. It's an effort.

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I had just gotten my new braces and we sat down together at the table.

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I actually gave him his burger first. So he had started eating already.

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I had just gotten them. I still had the bite turbos and like the bite blocks at the back.

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So I couldn't even close my molars to within like about this distance.

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I still finished my burger before he did in all that pain

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without being able to close my molars.

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How is it even possible, Luke?

03:18:35.620 --> 03:18:38.620
Anyways, yeah, that was that was a heck of a thing.

03:18:38.620 --> 03:18:46.620
I don't remember why I brought that up. But yeah, that's I and I did that like all the time.

03:18:46.620 --> 03:18:51.620
Anyways, Luke Nukem, which battlefield was your favorite quality reference?

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I put way too many hours in 1942.

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Also, so glad the super soft is back ruined my last one frying burgers.

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Oh, Kate, what is it? The fashion team pulled me.

03:19:02.620 --> 03:19:06.620
I think it's like dish soap and baking soda and pre-treated and then wash it.

03:19:06.620 --> 03:19:10.620
You should be able to get grease stains out of it. It's a thing.

03:19:10.620 --> 03:19:13.620
1942 was incredible.

03:19:13.620 --> 03:19:19.620
I think the most condensed fun,

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if that's a term that I can use that people will understand that I had was bad company to

03:19:23.620 --> 03:19:30.620
wasn't 1942 the first one?

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That would make sense. I'm trying to remember. Anyway, carry on.

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And I think it had a few expansions and stuff that kept it going for a while.

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1942, I feel like was pretty long lasting.

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But honestly, the one and this might just because like the friends that I had to play with at the time

03:19:46.620 --> 03:19:50.620
and stuff, but battlefield three hit pretty hard for me.

03:19:50.620 --> 03:19:53.620
I think I'd go with battlefield three.

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1942 was incredible.

03:19:56.620 --> 03:19:59.620
But I think battlefield three got the most like enjoyment.

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But again, it might have been because of the social aspect that was coming along with it.

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1942's Wake Island was such an experience. Jim Esch said in flow plane chat and that made me think this was my whole pain.

03:20:13.620 --> 03:20:18.620
And honestly, Wake Island specifically was my whole pain with the new maps in battlefield six

03:20:18.620 --> 03:20:25.620
and knowing how small they are because Wake Island like really it felt like a campaign

03:20:25.620 --> 03:20:33.620
of this crazy push pull and the new maps are like there's one kind of mountain in the middle

03:20:33.620 --> 03:20:37.620
and you just kind of fighting a ring around it. And that's like one of the biggest maps they have.

03:20:37.620 --> 03:20:42.620
It's like hold on. Remember how bad games looked? Remember how do you remember that?

03:20:42.620 --> 03:20:48.620
Oh, yeah, I do. I don't have the like when people are like, oh, Morrowind looks so bad.

03:20:48.620 --> 03:20:51.620
You for sure remember it differently than it looks.

03:20:51.620 --> 03:20:55.620
Then I see a screenshot of Morrowind. I'm like, that's exactly how I remember it looking.

03:20:55.620 --> 03:20:58.620
Sounds good. This helicopter.

03:20:58.620 --> 03:21:01.620
What is it? A cyber truck? Sick, dude.

03:21:01.620 --> 03:21:11.620
Wow. Heck yeah. Dude, when I see screenshots of like 1.6, I really want to play the game as is.

03:21:11.620 --> 03:21:14.620
I don't want it to look better. I want to look like that.

03:21:14.620 --> 03:21:17.620
I want grenades to just be bricks that fly through the air.

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I just, dude, that's awesome.

03:21:20.620 --> 03:21:23.620
Why not? Yeah, why not? Screw graphics, man.

03:21:23.620 --> 03:21:29.620
We need them. Give me good games again. Who needs them?

03:21:29.620 --> 03:21:37.620
Linus, can you buy the Canucks so that they stop sucking quality texture right here?

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Green. Sorry. What is it?

03:21:40.620 --> 03:21:43.620
Canucks so that they stop sucking? Oh, you're not talking to me. I'm sorry.

03:21:43.620 --> 03:21:46.620
No, I can't see this. Oh, no. Sorry.

03:21:46.620 --> 03:21:50.620
Fine. Fine. Can I buy the Canucks?

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What are you even talking about? A, I have no idea how to run a sports team.

03:21:55.620 --> 03:22:00.620
B, oh my God, with what money? The coach doesn't seem to either, I guess.

03:22:00.620 --> 03:22:03.620
Wow. Mean. Brute roasted.

03:22:03.620 --> 03:22:07.620
Mean. You play day to day. You probably know enough about hacking.

03:22:07.620 --> 03:22:09.620
Yeah, for sure. Hacking.

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Nope. I have no ideas to make the Canucks stop sucking at this point.

03:22:14.620 --> 03:22:19.620
I might as well just cheer for the oil. Hope they can get McDavid signed and make another push.

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Let's go, boys. Last one I got for you today.

03:22:23.620 --> 03:22:28.740
Hey, Linus. Now that you've been the chief vision officer for a while, is it a position you think could

03:22:28.740 --> 03:22:34.620
work at any other company or is also being the CEO's boss an integral component?

03:22:34.620 --> 03:22:44.620
Yeah. I think that it basically is the CEO's job to have the vision for the company normally,

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but because our structure where I'm also the primary shareholder and I mostly just needed

03:22:52.620 --> 03:22:58.620
to offload all the other aspects of what the CEO does, it did make sense to break those

03:22:58.620 --> 03:23:01.620
things out.

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It's not something I'd really recommend. You wouldn't want, the only reason that my role works is because in addition to my title,

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I also just carry pretty heavy sort of soft power is the way Teran first described it

03:23:15.620 --> 03:23:20.620
to me when I was bewildered at some point about why people were listening to me about

03:23:20.620 --> 03:23:26.620
something. He was like, well, you got to understand, you can't just like make comments flippantly

03:23:26.620 --> 03:23:30.620
because you've got to understand that whether you say to do something or don't say to do

03:23:30.620 --> 03:23:33.620
something, when you say stuff, people.

03:23:33.620 --> 03:23:36.620
It's high priority action. People.

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Automatically every time. Sometimes even if I tell people not to, which I'm not actually referring to you, Dan, believe

03:23:42.620 --> 03:23:49.620
it or not. There was someone else I ran into recently where I explicitly said, I asked a question.

03:23:49.620 --> 03:23:52.620
Yeah, that's right. I asked a question to someone in accounting.

03:23:52.620 --> 03:23:55.620
I was like, hey, do you happen to know this?

03:23:55.620 --> 03:23:59.620
They were like, no, I'd have to look that up. I said, that's too much work.

03:23:59.620 --> 03:24:08.620
Don't do it. And I left. But now you've and they came and they came back to me like 40 minutes later having created

03:24:08.620 --> 03:24:18.620
this wonderful summary of what I asked and I said, okay, so I know your mother-in-law

03:24:18.620 --> 03:24:23.620
will operate in this fashion where they say, you know, oh gosh, it should be nice if the

03:24:23.620 --> 03:24:26.620
temperature was a little higher in here, but no, no trouble.

03:24:26.620 --> 03:24:29.740
And turn it up. That is not how I work.

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If I explicitly say, do not do something, I consider any further action on doing that

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thing a complete and utter waste of time, not to be done.

03:24:38.620 --> 03:24:42.540
But I think it's something that people can't handle that and I get it though.

03:24:42.540 --> 03:24:47.900
I get it. Is that if someone did that to you and it was interesting enough to you, you wouldn't

03:24:47.900 --> 03:24:51.380
be able to stop but doing it. Ah, well, I don't know.

03:24:51.380 --> 03:24:54.620
Do you have an example? I think I don't think so. I think you're going to have to give me an example.

03:24:54.620 --> 03:24:57.620
This is a suspicion. Oh, okay. Okay.

03:24:57.620 --> 03:25:00.980
If you catch me in it though, you got to nail me on it and you got to bring it to WAN

03:25:00.980 --> 03:25:03.980
show. I'm sure don't have an example. Don't even tell me at the time.

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And I can't think of one. Catch me on it and bring it to WAN Show. I'll try.

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We'll see. I'm ready. I do.

03:25:10.620 --> 03:25:13.620
The problem is you would have to be sufficiently interested in the thing.

03:25:13.620 --> 03:25:16.620
Mmm. Yeah. It's not just anything.

03:25:16.620 --> 03:25:19.620
Oh, okay. Yeah. It wasn't an interesting thing I asked.

03:25:19.620 --> 03:25:22.620
Got it. Okay. Yeah.

03:25:22.620 --> 03:25:25.620
I was just curious. If I said this, would it be true?

03:25:25.620 --> 03:25:31.220
And so I was doing a quick fact check and then it was more than three seconds of work.

03:25:31.220 --> 03:25:34.620
And so I was like, this is not worth it. I will write a different joke.

03:25:34.620 --> 03:25:43.060
Got it. I get that. What I'm trying to describe is like, if someone serves you the like most interesting looking

03:25:43.060 --> 03:25:49.060
thing of your day, but then it can't necessarily like turn into something more valuable and

03:25:49.060 --> 03:25:52.700
you're like, oh, I can do whatever and they're like, oh, never mind.

03:25:52.700 --> 03:25:56.900
That's fine. I think you'd be very tempted to follow through to that anyways.

03:25:56.900 --> 03:26:00.500
Maybe. But that's a specific scenario and is not what you're just describing.

03:26:00.500 --> 03:26:08.740
Tim says, okay, I've got to ask. I know you have ADHD, but do you have autism because I have autism and that kind of direct

03:26:08.740 --> 03:26:12.940
no, really, I mean, the exact thing I say is only something I see with other people

03:26:12.940 --> 03:26:18.060
with autism. I'm not diagnosed.

03:26:18.060 --> 03:26:21.060
It's clearly not super severe.

03:26:21.060 --> 03:26:29.700
However, I have more than one family member somewhere on the spectrum, like actually diagnosed.

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And my whole clan is a little spectrum II.

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And I mean that in the, you know, kindest, fuzziest possible way.

03:26:43.820 --> 03:26:51.260
I definitely do experience things that other people with autism report experiencing.

03:26:51.260 --> 03:26:55.900
I will, I'll do things like when I'm walking, I'll accidentally kind of brush my foot on

03:26:55.900 --> 03:26:59.300
the ground in a particular way and then I'll have to do it again.

03:26:59.300 --> 03:27:07.580
Otherwise, I can't like cancel it out. Like there's, there's weird sensory stuff like that, but clearly it's not a hindrance.

03:27:07.580 --> 03:27:11.580
So there's never been really any need to get a formal diagnosis.

03:27:12.580 --> 03:27:16.540
Uh, X from says undiagnosed, but what else could it be?

03:27:16.540 --> 03:27:23.780
Yeah, pretty much. Um, yeah, spectrum II is, is my word that I like to use to describe it says Shraff 2K

03:27:23.780 --> 03:27:32.420
because it can never be wrong. Literally everyone all the way from zero to one, I think sometimes we care too much about

03:27:32.420 --> 03:27:37.780
which is ourselves special little, which is the kind of literal Pokemon elements, literal

03:27:37.780 --> 03:27:44.100
label. I'm a, I'm a fired wind type, fired flying type.

03:27:44.100 --> 03:27:48.020
Spectromy is the kind of literal label that someone's spectrum II would apply.

03:27:48.020 --> 03:27:53.020
Yeah. It's technically true. Nice.

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But I, yeah, I, I don't know, I, I, I can't care too much about it.

03:28:02.140 --> 03:28:03.260
Yeah. Yeah.

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You first. Oh, right. We'll see you again next week.

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Same bad time. Same bad channel folks. Bye.

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No, you hang up. No, you hang up.