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or a lot.

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What's up gamers, welcome to the WAN Show. We've got some awesome topics for you this week,

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including something from AI, something from other stuff,

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and some sad, bad news about the state of the world.

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Dad news. Stay tuned for after these ad spots.

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See you in a minute. Is he practicing to take my job?

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Cause it really seems like it. I don't like Luke anymore.

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I don't like this side of you.

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Oh man.

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Okay. We got it. We'll be all right.

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We got it. I'm fine.

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Little power nap. Yeah. I like it. It's good stuff.

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Effective.

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All right, let's do this thing. Until you have like 20 minutes for a power nap and you fall asleep at minute 19,

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then it's just everything's worse. Yeah. I don't know how people like,

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maybe like micro sleeping or whatever it is, like where you just like take little naps throughout the day.

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Yeah. It really seems to me that to be able to fall asleep

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quickly enough to take advantage of that, I would have to just be in a perpetual state of exhaustion.

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There's supposed to be this trick where you think of a word

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and then you think of an alternate word that starts with the first letter of each letter

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of the root word that you came up with. So like root.

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You'd have to come up with a letter that starts with R, two letters to start with O and the letter that starts with T.

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Or sorry, a word. Two letters to start with O. I meant a word. I know, but it's fun.

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It is, yeah, fair enough. I'll take it. He has an actual learning disability

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and I actually go after him hard every single time I get an opportunity.

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Literally worst friend, really.

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But I just get too into it.

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Yeah. Like I'll just, I start focusing on it like really hard

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and then I'm like, I'm more awake than. Dude, there's literally no sleep follow sleep tricks

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that work for me. Most of them either I get it too into it

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or I get immediately distracted

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and it takes so much focus to stay on top of it. Counting past sheep 15 is like impossible

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because by the time you get there, your brain's like, ooh.

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Penny, shiny, shiny, penny. There's literally anything else that we've been talking about.

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Well.

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All right, let's do this thing.

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Don't move for 15 minutes and you'll be asleep.

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No, I'll just be super agitated is what I'll be.

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And I'll be your crying shoulder. I'll be love suicide.

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I'll be better when I'm older.

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Good song, good song.

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All right, let's, okay, I'm doing it. All right, let's just do it.

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Hey there, everybody. Welcome to a chilled out, relaxed WAN Show.

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So smooth. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today.

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We're gonna be talking about Apple's iPhone 16 Glowtime event,

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the PlayStation 5 Pro announcement, Luke. We also have some good news in this week in AI

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and we're gonna be talking about how the US government is pushing for greater VPN access.

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They're pushing for greater VPN access. I think it's a good thing.

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It's smooth. Goes down easy.

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Just like this intro to our intro.

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Yeah.

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The show is brought to you today by Manscaped, The Ridge and Acronis,

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along with our chair partner, Secret Lab and our laptop partner, LG.

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Why don't we jump right into our first topic, which is of course that I was wrong this week.

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Yeah. Twice. Now I assume that you have watched literally nothing.

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Nope. I assume you know, I mean, I don't think there are any two tech products

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that you could care less about than the iPhone and the PlayStation.

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Yep. Yeah. So why don't I catch you up on exactly what happened

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and then we'll go from...

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Wow. It's been three minutes

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and we've already thrown something at our producer.

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I'm sorry, I was talking.

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Why don't we, what do you wanna start with? Should I catch you up on the iPhone or should I?

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Let's do the iPhone. Okay. So Apple announced the iPhone 16 lineup.

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So you got the 16, the 16 plus the 16 Pro

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and the 16 Pro Max. If I recall correctly, honestly,

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I'm not obsessed with Apple's lineup and figuring out exactly what it is.

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I'll look at it when I need to and I'll refresh myself, but other than that,

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it honestly isn't something that I pay that close attention to. But this time around,

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and this made people pretty angry, I was approaching the iPhone announcement event

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from a bit of a different perspective. So I feel like and what happened was our video

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ended up having a pretty positive overall spin on it

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when largely the reaction from the tech press

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and sort of influencer army out there was pretty negative.

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But I'd like to explain why. So first of all,

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let's talk about what makes the iPhone 16 lineup new.

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They're getting the new A18 processor family.

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So we have a regular A18 in the iPhone 16

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and then an A18 Pro in the iPhone 16 Pro.

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As far as we can tell from Apple's comparative benchmarks,

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like they didn't compare both of these new processors

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to one single predecessor. They compared them to different things.

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And if you do the math from previous Apple presentations,

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they seem like they're probably pretty close. So it looks like they're very similar

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in terms of the at least TPU performance, GPU performance and neural processor performance.

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But all of this is going to become more clear as time goes on.

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There's upgraded glass. So their ceramic shield is now significantly stronger.

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I actually don't have a summary of the specs

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in my notes, which I normally have when I run through something like this.

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So we'll have to kind of figure that out. But the things that really stood out to me

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were actually not necessarily the hardware. Oh, there's a new button.

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There's like a programmable button. Just kind of cool action button, which I kind of like.

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Was that ever a thing in the past? On the iPhone?

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I read some comments of people talking about like, oh, they took the button away

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so that they could give it back to us now. And I was like, what?

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I mean, they had the home button, but that wasn't programmable.

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Did they have like a button? Action button was on the 15 Pro. Yeah, it was on the 15 Pro,

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but now it's on the regular 16. So there were a few things that people were pretty,

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and the camera button is new across the board. So we have a dedicated shutter button,

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but no, no iPhone in the past has ever had a shutter button.

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So there were a couple of things that people were pretty upset about.

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And one of them was that in the video, I said that I was probably gonna go,

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cause I've been talking about switching to an iPhone for a little bit, for a while now.

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And I think I'm just, I'm overdue. And there's a lot of things about iOS 18

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that are looking very compelling to me. And there's some Android,

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there's some Android Army members who are telling me that these aren't new features to Apple,

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or that they're copied from Android, or that they don't make that much of a difference,

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or whatever. But the reality of it is that to me,

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like the phone operating system that I use doesn't really matter,

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and I don't really care who's copying from each other. Realistically, Google and Apple copy liberally

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from each other at this point. And it doesn't really matter to me

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where it originated from. What matters to me is that I need a new device right now,

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and the iPhone 16 lineup actually looks pretty compelling.

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I think that's kind of the root of where your thoughts on this stuff came from,

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was that you need a new device and you're on an old one.

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And I think you and I even talked about this, I don't remember.

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But a lot of people that are unhappy with the event,

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it's because they have a current generation device, and they're looking at the upgrade and going,

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this doesn't really seem like a lot. But we're at, I mean, it's called iPhone 16.

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The jumps per generation is gonna slow down. Phones have been boring for a long time now.

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And the way I'm kind of looking at it is you can be disappointed quite genuinely

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every single generation,

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or you can start shifting your goalposts a little bit and look like one or two generations back

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for your improvement jumps. And I think it's gonna be more than one or two.

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I think realistically, what this comes down to is that the days of us getting something major

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to upgrade to every single generation,

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not only are they dead, but they've been dead for a long time.

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I completely agree. I've been over it for a few years now at the very least.

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And so I guess that was,

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and the amount of speculation that we were paid by Apple

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to have kind of a positive spin on, guys, anytime you see someone who accuses us

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of being paid by Apple to be positive about Apple products,

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you can immediately just dismiss anything. Were you even invited to the event?

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No, of course not. Yeah. Apple's still the extent of Apple's media relationship

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with me up until now is that they emailed me once.

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Are they kind of cool with Mac Address? Oh, I don't know if they are.

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No one has kept me up to date on it. Okay, I don't know. I'm not sure.

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Maybe, but as far as I am concerned,

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and as far as the LTT channel is concerned, Apple has never gone past scheduling

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a conference call with me. They never actually went through with the call.

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It did get scheduled, but it was canceled minutes before we actually went through with

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engaging for the first time. Apple has no interest in working together with me.

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So people were mad about a number of things. They were mad because they felt

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we were overly positive about the event. And I think that a big part of that comes down

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to that difference in perspective, where most of the rest of the tech media,

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if they're running a 15 Pro now, or a 15 Pro Max, are looking at this going,

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oh, boring. Yeah. Where's the innovation, Apple?

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And I think they just have to get used to the idea that that's gonna happen over a much longer cycle,

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whereas I'm looking at it going, man, my AirPods Pro 2s just got way better.

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Ages after I bought them, which I'm pretty stoked on. I didn't even know that was a thing.

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That sounds great. It's a kind of behavior that... What feature are you gaining?

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For me personally, not much. They're optimizing the noise cancellation.

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They're adding some like... And this is retroactive to what you have now?

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Yeah, it looks like it's like some kind of machine learning assisted,

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quickly switching in between transparency mode for conversations and turning everything back up. Oh, that thing looks really cool.

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Yep. It's something that absolutely exists in other products,

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but my assumption is that based on how well Apple has handled active noise cancellation,

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it'll actually be implemented pretty well and I might actually use it.

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They're also adding like hearing aid-like functionality to AirPods.

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I've been using them as casual hearing protection for a long time, but they are more formally talking

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about using them that way with the improved active noise cancellation.

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If you cancel out a wave, the wave is canceled.

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No, I was thinking, you mentioned hearing aid and then noise protection.

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Both. I thought you were saying those were the same thing for a second.

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No, not the same thing. But you're talking about different stuff.

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So I thought that was pretty cool. I actually opened the video on like a software update,

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essentially, and I think a lot of people were kind of surprised to see that.

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The other thing that people kind of went after me for was that I told them my intention was to go with

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the iPhone 16 Plus, the non-Pro.

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And a lot of the feedback that I got on that

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was Linus, you know, if you're gonna go into

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the Apple ecosystem for the first time in a long time,

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you should be having the full experience. But the reality of it is guys, like I can pick any iPhone

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I want, like we're ordering all of them through work.

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I just literally grab off the shelf, whichever one I want to use.

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But the reason that I went with the iPhone 16

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or iPhone 16 Plus, I haven't actually 100% decided which one I want, I'm gonna hold them first,

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is that I don't think people should be buying the Pro.

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Don't get me wrong. I don't know what the difference is. There's features on the Pro that I would like to have.

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The regular iPhone 16 still doesn't have a high refresh rate display.

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Ooh. Yeah. 60 Hertz. Which for like $800?

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Aye. Pretty embarrassing.

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But most of the other stuff that's, then again, neither does the device

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that I am upgrading from. It feels nicer.

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I have a high refresh rate screen now I can feel it. It does.

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But I guess what I've discovered is for my phone,

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I don't know if I, I don't game on my phone.

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It does make touch feel more responsive. I can absolutely instantly tell

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if I'm using a high refresh rate device. And things like higher polling rates on the touch input,

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it definitely makes a difference. But I think I have just become not that much of a power user.

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And a lot of the other features on the Pro, I just don't need them.

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The studio quality microphone, 4K 120 FPS recording.

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I don't need that stuff.

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It's got another, I think it's got another camera. I don't know man. The iPhone's ability to film in log

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makes video on iPhone extremely interesting.

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Sure, but I'm not using it professionally. This is just my phone.

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Do I need to shoot 4K 120 on it?

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Like I can, they added. I could see it. They added ProRes recording to the non-Pro.

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So if I just want to record in ProRes and I don't need 120 frames per second.

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Is there ever like, you never want to shoot like a little slow-mo thing of your son playing

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badminton or something like that? I don't know. Sure, do I need it at 4K?

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Oh, it's four, okay. So you could still do. Okay, yeah, oh yeah. I can still do high, I can still do high frame rate.

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I just, yeah, it's just, it's a lot.

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People are saying, okay, yeah, the LiDAR. The LiDAR is great.

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You know what? That is great. I don't take that many pictures.

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And the handful of features that need the depth sensing.

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I can, I know enough people that I can borrow a phone from.

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Like there's been, I think it's come up twice. Once when I had to do a facial scan for that VR headset,

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the big screen beyond. And once when I was a bit part,

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I, when I had a bit part in an undisclosed film that I don't know if it's ever even gonna get made

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at this point. I haven't heard back about it in a while, whatever.

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Anyway, I used it to scan the room that I was in

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because that was useful for them for VFX like overlays.

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I wonder if part of this is people that, can you pre-order yet?

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I think we've placed orders. Did they set up pre-orders already? I actually don't know.

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It's a minor detail. I have procurement. We'll take care of that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a way to go. It's nice.

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What was I gonna say? I wonder if some of this is people that bought the pro

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that are, yes, you can, you can pre-order it. I wonder if this is people that bought the pro

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that want the tech guy to make the same decision they did.

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I do think there's a lot of that. And I can see why they would want to

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because it's $1,500 Canadian. It's Canadian.

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This is Canadian. So it starts at, I believe, 1,200 U.S.

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And it is funny. It is funny to me seeing how many people

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are legitimately angry at me. Like I've betrayed them. The pro max is 1,750.

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Because I'm using an iPhone.

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The pro max is what my car cost.

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It's not my current one. Yeah, I was gonna say. Surely that's not right. No, my first car.

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I'm sorry. You're getting older. Your first car was a minute ago. You might have to have some inflationary adjustments,

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which we'll be talking about a little bit later. It's still a lot of money.

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Yeah, I mean, we're, and so I was, realistically, I was looking at the iPhone 16 going,

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okay, is this really, do I need a titanium phone?

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Or is aluminum probably okay? Are you gonna end up, that was not in a case?

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Are you gonna put it in a case anyways? No, I'm not gonna put it in a case. Yeah, okay.

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But like, it's aluminum, and dude, their glass is like very shatter resistant.

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So I'm really not that worried about it. I used to be no case. I was no case with my previous phone.

00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:41.580
This phone's so huge that I decided to get a case for it

00:18:41.580 --> 00:18:44.860
anyways, because I was like, I feel like it's just gonna get knocked off of things more often,

00:18:44.860 --> 00:18:47.980
because it's enormous, and I'm happy I have one. Look at this.

00:18:49.380 --> 00:18:53.020
There's a massive bite out of that corner. Oh wow, yeah, you really hit that one.

00:18:53.020 --> 00:18:58.980
Yeah. She, that case is doing work. And it is actually, it's been dropped a couple of times,

00:18:58.980 --> 00:19:02.300
but something that's kind of nice about it is that I just don't care,

00:19:02.300 --> 00:19:05.780
because I don't even like the phone. Nice.

00:19:05.780 --> 00:19:08.900
But I don't want to replace it. So there's a case on it, but I don't care for it,

00:19:08.900 --> 00:19:12.200
if that makes sense. So it's just like, ah, whatever. Yep.

00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:15.380
Which is a nice, it's nice to just not worry about it.

00:19:15.380 --> 00:19:19.660
Another difference for the pro, is that the bezels are slightly smaller.

00:19:19.660 --> 00:19:24.260
So in about the same form factor there, the screens are 0.2 inches bigger.

00:19:24.260 --> 00:19:29.140
But then if I cared that much about that, why would I get an iPhone with like a giant forehead notch

00:19:29.140 --> 00:19:35.220
in it in the first place? Like I, I don't know guys. I mean, feel free, feel free to like come at me

00:19:35.220 --> 00:19:39.140
and let me know. But I think that people should probably just be getting

00:19:39.140 --> 00:19:43.660
the regular 16 if they, if they want an iPhone, if they want the ecosystem.

00:19:43.660 --> 00:19:48.500
And it's funny to me how we get so stuck in our tech bubble,

00:19:48.500 --> 00:19:52.340
and we get so stuck in our sort of, in our priorities

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that sometimes we forget that most people don't care.

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Most people cannot tell a 60 Hertz display

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from a high refresh rate display. Are also only looking to upgrade their phones

00:20:04.340 --> 00:20:09.380
when their battery life starts to annoy them too much, which is usually every like three years.

00:20:09.380 --> 00:20:13.380
Or more, more. Like my battery life didn't really start getting bad

00:20:13.380 --> 00:20:17.540
on this until about the last year or so. And I believe this is up to,

00:20:17.540 --> 00:20:21.180
I believe this is six years. It probably depends on their usage. Like if they game a lot,

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so they're doing some really brutal battery cycles,

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and it's going to be sooner, if they don't later, et cetera, et cetera.

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Nokey asks, you often say you prefer a phone where you can take photos and videos

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of kids important moments. Would the iPhone 16 shutter button be a good addition for you?

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I never need to be that quick on the draw. Like as long as I've got a gesture

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that I can activate in a reasonable amount of time, and the on screen button is there

00:20:47.140 --> 00:20:51.740
in a reasonable amount of time. Like I am, I'm so well adjusted now

00:20:51.740 --> 00:20:56.420
to the ergonomics of holding my phone so that my thumb is here for the shutter button.

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I just, the value of a dedicated hardware button for that,

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for me is extremely low, extremely low.

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There's still things that I'm super not impressed about.

00:21:08.740 --> 00:21:13.540
I mean, the fact that Apple's base storage is still 128 gigs.

00:21:13.540 --> 00:21:20.620
I was just going to talk about that. On devices that cost like a flip and ton of money,

00:21:20.620 --> 00:21:24.380
the fact that storage upgrades cost so much.

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$300 to go from 512 gigs to one terabyte is.

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We did the math, Luke. Crazy. Apple literally charges so much

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that their NAND flash chips could be made of gold.

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Literally, we got, no, I'm serious. We grabbed some pieces of the golden controller

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and we compared them to NAND chips.

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And we did the math and how much gold it was

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to weigh as much as Apple's NAND chips.

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And wait for wait, Apple storage and memory

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cost as much as gold. Was this for a video? Yeah.

00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:10.620
I was gonna say, why would you need the pieces from the gold? It was, I believe it was from the.

00:22:10.620 --> 00:22:15.980
You just weigh the other one and then look up gold value. I believe it was, well, yeah, but we had the gold

00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:20.500
so we could do it physically. That's why I said, is it for a video? Cause it's for a video, then it's a cool visual thing.

00:22:20.500 --> 00:22:24.500
Anyways. Yeah, so it was freaking hilarious, right?

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Though, because it's crazy.

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It's like when you compare printer ink to Chanel number,

00:22:32.300 --> 00:22:36.460
whatever, like these obscenely valuable liquids.

00:22:36.460 --> 00:22:40.140
Funny enough, I watched that video. Oh.

00:22:40.140 --> 00:22:44.380
The like printer video? Yeah, yeah. I watched that one. You're one of the very few who did.

00:22:44.380 --> 00:22:47.500
I didn't watch, yeah. Terrible performer. How'd you like it?

00:22:47.500 --> 00:22:53.500
I was actually, it was pretty good. Yeah, I didn't know about the whole tank thing and stuff.

00:22:53.500 --> 00:22:57.540
There was one really mad comment that was saying, everyone knows you should just get

00:22:57.540 --> 00:23:01.380
an older laser printer. They had a bunch of upvotes.

00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:05.140
I get these questions all the time. And it's like. Like genuinely.

00:23:06.220 --> 00:23:10.460
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They were like, everyone knows like our advice was bad.

00:23:10.460 --> 00:23:15.100
They didn't get to the part of the video where we talked about that. Oh, oh, very cool.

00:23:15.780 --> 00:23:19.140
I can't, I can't help people. I can't help them.

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Any who. So I'm kind of excited to try it,

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even though I'm definitely gonna have some issues.

00:23:30.780 --> 00:23:35.500
I don't think that having USB 2 speeds is gonna bother me that much.

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Day to day, I very rarely offload. I noticed Plex actually.

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Wait, why is it USB 2 speeds? On the 16 non-pro, it's USB 2, even though it's USB-C.

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Like, look, there's absolutely stuff that is gonna make me mad.

00:23:49.900 --> 00:23:53.660
But how often, when's the last time you offloaded photos from your phone via USB?

00:23:56.100 --> 00:24:00.140
Yeah, that's fair. When's the last time you connected your phone to a computer via USB?

00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:03.820
Oh, decently often. Okay, to transfer files though? No.

00:24:03.820 --> 00:24:06.020
Okay, so who cares? Yeah.

00:24:07.300 --> 00:24:11.420
Who cares? I do think it's interesting.

00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:14.740
Do they have any color overlap? Oh, black and white.

00:24:15.740 --> 00:24:21.780
Crystal asks, will you miss your S pen? The answer is absolutely.

00:24:21.780 --> 00:24:27.580
I have become, I've gone from, why are they taking up space in my note

00:24:27.580 --> 00:24:32.500
with this stupid pen to whenever I want it,

00:24:32.500 --> 00:24:36.100
I really want it, predominantly for marking up screenshots.

00:24:36.100 --> 00:24:39.140
Why don't you get a new note? Is it just Apple time?

00:24:39.140 --> 00:24:42.260
Yeah, I could, it's just time. Apple time? Yeah, it's just time.

00:24:43.100 --> 00:24:47.860
So basically, I think that's what it boils down to.

00:24:47.860 --> 00:24:51.060
And you know what the last part I think is?

00:24:51.060 --> 00:24:56.340
Is, I mean, we've talked about this on the WAN Show, so you guys will kind of be familiar with this already,

00:24:56.340 --> 00:24:59.580
but I'm so tired of negativity.

00:25:01.540 --> 00:25:09.420
It's like, why do we have to compare it to last year's iPhone 15 and say it's not enough?

00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:14.140
What do you mean it's not enough? If it's not enough, then keep your iPhone 15.

00:25:14.140 --> 00:25:18.540
Yeah. That's totally fine. That's maybe even good.

00:25:18.540 --> 00:25:23.620
That's good. You just, yeah, who cares? If anything, I would actually,

00:25:23.620 --> 00:25:27.220
now that our mobile processors, especially Apple's,

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are fast enough to do pretty much whatever we could need to do on our phone, reasonably speaking,

00:25:32.020 --> 00:25:35.340
I would actually love to see less frequent upgrades

00:25:35.340 --> 00:25:39.340
and longer software support or whatever that looks like, because you gotta remember,

00:25:39.380 --> 00:25:42.740
Apple is driven somewhat differently

00:25:42.740 --> 00:25:47.500
from other phone manufacturers. They are a lot less motivated

00:25:47.500 --> 00:25:50.820
by the initial sale of the iPhone, to be clear. Oh, they're happy to grab it, though.

00:25:50.820 --> 00:25:54.940
They're happy to take your money, but they are far more motivated

00:25:54.940 --> 00:25:58.700
by the size of the iOS ecosystem

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and the number of people that are buying stupid, man,

00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:08.780
they've all unpicked up wordscapes, like the mobile, like word, crossword,

00:26:08.780 --> 00:26:13.100
spelling, de-jumble thing. And I've been playing with her sometimes.

00:26:13.100 --> 00:26:16.620
Dude, dude, the lengths that they go to.

00:26:16.620 --> 00:26:20.420
We're go-kitting into playing boomer games with our partners.

00:26:20.420 --> 00:26:24.100
Nice. What is happening? I play the New York time games with Emma.

00:26:24.100 --> 00:26:27.940
A wordle or whatever it is. And yeah, those things. And you play wordscapes?

00:26:27.940 --> 00:26:31.620
Yeah. How the mighty fall. Nice, I know, right?

00:26:31.620 --> 00:26:35.780
We used to be true gamers. I used to play Left 4 Dead 2

00:26:35.780 --> 00:26:37.780
with my posture like this, boys.

00:26:39.540 --> 00:26:43.260
Oh, boy. Sorry to keep going. Ooh.

00:26:43.260 --> 00:26:48.020
I heard that. Yeah, so we've been playing wordscapes lately. Dude, the lengths that they go to,

00:26:48.020 --> 00:26:53.580
to extract money from you. Oh, I'm sure. Apple gets a piece of every one of those transactions.

00:26:53.580 --> 00:26:58.340
At the end of the day, the most important thing to you is that you are on an iPhone.

00:26:59.660 --> 00:27:03.620
Not necessarily that you are on the latest iPhone, but that you are on an iPhone.

00:27:03.620 --> 00:27:08.220
Because the bigger the install base is, the more of that sweet, sweet app store money

00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:11.580
they're extracting from you, and the more incentivized app developers are

00:27:11.580 --> 00:27:15.260
to continue to prioritize the iOS platform.

00:27:15.260 --> 00:27:19.940
So, I forget where I was going with this.

00:27:19.940 --> 00:27:22.980
What was my last reason? I forget, it doesn't matter.

00:27:22.980 --> 00:27:26.460
Let's talk about the PlayStation 5 Pro announcement.

00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:29.820
This was a little more recent, so I'm gonna remember all the details a little bit better,

00:27:29.820 --> 00:27:34.060
but in a nutshell, Sony upgraded the GPU.

00:27:34.060 --> 00:27:39.900
I was a little surprised. Oh, we also get Wi-Fi 7, higher base storage.

00:27:41.100 --> 00:27:48.420
I'm trying to think if there's anything else that was really upgraded going from the PS5 to the PS5 Pro,

00:27:48.580 --> 00:27:52.660
and I don't think so. There were some things I was a little surprised by.

00:27:52.660 --> 00:27:56.100
I didn't expect the CPU to stay Zen 2.

00:27:56.100 --> 00:28:01.260
Yeah. Already when the PS5 came out, I remember feeling like,

00:28:01.260 --> 00:28:06.980
oh yeah, it makes sense that it's Zen 2 because the development cycle for this is so long

00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:12.420
that it would have had to be, but boy would it ever have been nice if they,

00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:18.580
if the dev kits were all Zen 2 and it was like Zen 3 for the real products, you know?

00:28:18.580 --> 00:28:21.820
So, I was a little surprised to see Zen 2 stick around,

00:28:21.820 --> 00:28:26.420
but it also kind of makes sense.

00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:31.100
Wait, hold on, what's going on here? Okay, hold on. We'll get to the PS5 Pro in a second.

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Shraff and Floatplane Chat says, Linus, this is such a disconnected take.

00:28:35.820 --> 00:28:39.580
When a product costs $1,200 and there's no improvement to justify it,

00:28:39.580 --> 00:28:42.820
that's when we should be negative. This is a consumer protection issue.

00:28:44.420 --> 00:28:48.460
No. Not at all. A consumer protection issue would be

00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:53.180
if Apple tells you it's something that it isn't. Yeah. A consumer protection issue would be

00:28:53.180 --> 00:28:56.960
if Apple deactivates your iPhone 15 Pro

00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:01.040
and forces you to buy an iPhone 16 Pro. You are not compelled to buy this.

00:29:01.040 --> 00:29:04.560
This is not food, it's not shelter, it's not water.

00:29:05.560 --> 00:29:10.440
It's a fucking iPhone. But if you have a 15 or especially like a 15 Pro.

00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.680
You don't need a new phone. Yeah. Which is not a bad thing.

00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:19.320
Like that's the biggest take from the event

00:29:19.320 --> 00:29:24.200
from me is that you don't need it. And I am certain, honestly, it might have even already

00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:28.880
happened because I just don't care that much because I'm not going to upgrade my phone.

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.920
Yeah. But whatever new pixel announcement, I'm not upgrading to it.

00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:38.200
So like I don't even really care what it is. What I'm looking for is gonna end up being

00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:42.860
like the pixel 10 or 11. Yeah. When that launches, I'm gonna be evaluating that

00:29:42.860 --> 00:29:47.360
versus whatever iPhone is launching at the same time in comparison to the phone that I currently have

00:29:47.360 --> 00:29:51.720
and deciding, am I gonna get a battery replacement or am I gonna buy one of these phones?

00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:57.700
Yeah, so. And then I'm interested in it. Basically, back to my point of us being more focused

00:29:57.700 --> 00:30:02.260
on like the positive aspects. Remember too, guys, this isn't a review.

00:30:02.260 --> 00:30:08.300
This is a summary of a product announcement. So obviously, I'm gonna talk about the highlights.

00:30:08.300 --> 00:30:12.300
Why do I wanna drag myself down? Why do I wanna drag everything down

00:30:12.300 --> 00:30:15.420
by dwelling on the negative? And at the end of the day,

00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:20.940
if it's not a big enough upgrade over last gen, well, that's fine because Apple's not targeting last gen.

00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:25.420
They're not selling it to last gen. The question is not,

00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:29.380
the question is not, is $1,200 compelling enough

00:30:29.380 --> 00:30:33.460
for someone who already owns an iPhone 15 Pro? That's a stupid question

00:30:33.460 --> 00:30:38.340
because it's not $1,200. It's $1,200 minus whatever you could sell your 15 Pro for.

00:30:38.340 --> 00:30:42.820
That's the actual value. And that, I don't know, that's up to you. I have no idea what they're worth in the secondary market

00:30:42.820 --> 00:30:47.380
that you can go figure that out. The question is, is $1,200 worth it

00:30:47.380 --> 00:30:52.100
for someone who needs a phone? And so, I think that's the difference.

00:30:52.100 --> 00:30:56.220
And it looks like just on the surface to me, like it looks like, yeah, probably.

00:30:56.220 --> 00:31:00.020
That's the difference in perspective that I wanna start approaching things with,

00:31:00.020 --> 00:31:03.380
is as someone who is the actual target market

00:31:03.380 --> 00:31:07.700
for this product. Okay, so let's go back to the PS5 Pro.

00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:13.100
So the main things are it's got a better GPU, similar architecture, which again surprised me

00:31:13.100 --> 00:31:17.860
because we gotta remember this product launched four years ago, I think it works out too, right?

00:31:17.980 --> 00:31:25.660
PS5 came out in 2020. PS5 released the PS5, no, not the slim,

00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:34.020
or was it 2022? Yeah, November 2020 was when the PS5 launched.

00:31:34.020 --> 00:31:37.380
So four years later, I was kind of expecting,

00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:41.020
you know, I don't know, Zen 3 at the very least,

00:31:41.020 --> 00:31:44.300
I was expecting an architectural change to the GPU,

00:31:44.300 --> 00:31:47.540
but then as I was sort of working through the script

00:31:47.540 --> 00:31:51.740
with David, I was like, no, it actually makes sense

00:31:51.740 --> 00:31:54.740
because from Sony's perspective,

00:31:54.740 --> 00:31:58.260
the most important thing, because this is a mid-cycle refresh,

00:31:58.260 --> 00:32:02.820
that realistically, they aren't going to sell a ton of.

00:32:02.820 --> 00:32:07.020
Especially if you compare this to base PS5s or PS4s, right?

00:32:07.020 --> 00:32:10.820
These Pro models are furthermore affluent customers,

00:32:10.820 --> 00:32:14.420
therefore they're more the more discerning console gamer,

00:32:14.420 --> 00:32:20.060
right? You know, it slips tea like this, right? Who can definitely see the difference in the pixels?

00:32:20.060 --> 00:32:24.100
Oh, you know, realistically, who can see the higher refresh and higher frame rates?

00:32:25.900 --> 00:32:29.140
So making sure that developers have continuity

00:32:29.140 --> 00:32:32.180
between the regular model and between the Pro model

00:32:32.180 --> 00:32:37.060
is way more important than squeezing a little bit more performance out of it.

00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:41.180
Wi-Fi 7, I think, is actually a pretty important upgrade

00:32:41.180 --> 00:32:45.260
that is maybe not being talked about enough, especially by us.

00:32:46.260 --> 00:32:49.540
Like we turned that video around extremely quickly

00:32:49.540 --> 00:32:53.780
and so there were a couple things that I think weren't necessarily wrong,

00:32:53.780 --> 00:32:57.900
but are things that I would probably want to do differently to go back. I would talk about Wi-Fi 7

00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:02.580
and especially in the PlayStation ecosystem where you might have a PS portal

00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:07.060
and your PlayStation 5 Pro is not connected via Ethernet.

00:33:07.060 --> 00:33:13.460
Having Wi-Fi 7 and a Wi-Fi 7 router, even if your PS portal doesn't support Wi-Fi 7,

00:33:13.460 --> 00:33:18.260
which it doesn't because it's a PS portal, it would be better to have a stronger connection

00:33:18.260 --> 00:33:22.220
between the PS 5 Pro and your routers. It's still better.

00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:25.820
The better every link in the chain can be, the better off you're going to be.

00:33:25.820 --> 00:33:31.620
So Wi-Fi 7 is something I would have talked about more. I also would have more explicitly talked about

00:33:31.620 --> 00:33:35.980
the lack of a disk drive. That was something that we kind of glossed over.

00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:41.060
And at the very beginning, we had a bit where by the time you buy a stand,

00:33:41.060 --> 00:33:46.040
and I think David and I had talked about how the visuals should also have the disk drive

00:33:46.040 --> 00:33:51.020
and it should just like add up the whole price and compare it to a thing. Cause we said something along the lines of like,

00:33:51.020 --> 00:33:55.460
by the time you buy a disk drive, this thing costs darn near twice as much

00:33:55.460 --> 00:33:59.460
as a base model PlayStation or cost about twice.

00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:05.940
I forget exactly how we worded it. And I probably would have expanded on that more later

00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:11.300
because I think that people were pretty upset when they felt like we were justifying the price.

00:34:11.300 --> 00:34:16.140
When we talked about how it wasn't Sony's most expensive console ever,

00:34:16.140 --> 00:34:22.820
that crown actually corrected for inflation, goes to the PS3, which came out at 599,

00:34:22.820 --> 00:34:25.820
but that was back in, man, when did the PS3 come out?

00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:29.580
Like 2002? Oh boy, I'm going to get this wrong.

00:34:29.580 --> 00:34:33.060
2006, okay. So that came out way back in 2006.

00:34:35.060 --> 00:34:40.420
I said I'd touch on inflation. Quite a few people were really upset

00:34:40.420 --> 00:34:44.740
that we made a with inflation comparison to the PS3.

00:34:44.740 --> 00:34:49.340
And I'd like to explain why we did that. And the reason they were upset was because,

00:34:49.340 --> 00:34:52.540
and I get this, people are sick

00:34:52.540 --> 00:34:57.540
of seeing a price justified today because of inflation.

00:34:58.660 --> 00:35:04.380
Well, it's reasonable for it to be $700 because if you compare that to $500 for the PS3,

00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:10.180
inflationarily, they're very similar. In fact, that was more dollars back then.

00:35:10.180 --> 00:35:13.380
But that wasn't what we were saying. We weren't trying to justify the price.

00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:17.780
In fact, the very opening of the video. Wages haven't scaled with inflation. I'll get to, yes, I'll get to that.

00:35:17.780 --> 00:35:23.820
We weren't trying to justify the price, though. What we were saying was there's a precedent for this.

00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:27.300
That's what we were saying. This isn't their most expensive console.

00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:31.940
So is that like one of the communication things that you would have wanted to change something? I would have wanted to clarify that.

00:35:31.940 --> 00:35:35.500
And I can see why people are upset about it because, yeah,

00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:39.260
their wages haven't flipping scaled with inflation.

00:35:39.260 --> 00:35:43.140
So the buying power of that much money is not the same

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even if it's the same inflationary wise. Exactly.

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However, something that I feel like

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a lot of people overlook in stuff like this

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is that the costing of a product from a company, from a consumer electronics company like Sony

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is contingent on their costs for their sourcing.

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Do you think Sony makes power supplies?

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Does Sony have a power supply manufacturing plant?

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Do you think it's that? I think it's more that there's no competition really in the space.

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We talk about that. But I just want to talk about the importance

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of why this inflation number matters. Sony buys power supplies from light on.

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And those power supplies cost more now than they used to, yeah, yeah. Because commodity prices have gone up in inflation.

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Do you think Sony manufactures microprocessors?

00:36:37.420 --> 00:36:42.060
No. Do you think Sony has their own iron mines

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where they get iron to make steel?

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If we were talking about Samsung, maybe who knows, they do everything. That's true, but we're not.

00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:53.860
But Sony, no. Does Sony manufacture DRAM?

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No. Sony is their designer,

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but they don't actually manufacture

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just about any of the raw materials

00:37:05.140 --> 00:37:10.580
of a PlayStation 5. Like certainly they're doing board assembly. And just like EmHop pointed out in the Philippine chat,

00:37:10.580 --> 00:37:14.580
fab time is huge right now. Fab time is crazy right now.

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Yeah, Ranmachan says, I saw a chart yesterday that showed how much TSMC is essentially gouging companies

00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:24.340
due to manufacturing capacity and it's rough. And that was why the second thing I said was microprocessors.

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Yeah, Sony doesn't make microprocessors. We are in an environment right now

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where there's an effective monopoly on cutting edge node microprocessors.

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As much as it's been kind of hilarious for people who hate Intel, many of whom are justified,

00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:46.580
to watch them struggle with the rollout of their fab business, we should be rooting for them

00:37:46.580 --> 00:37:51.380
because Samsung has proven time and time again that they're just not gonna catch TSMC.

00:37:51.380 --> 00:37:53.420
Here's a hot take. Then again, so is Intel.

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I'm surprised they're as cheap as they are. With how few people can make them cough cough one place.

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I think we're lucky that they're not making it way worse.

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And maybe they're not making it way worse because they know other companies would then

00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:17.580
have more opportunity to spring into the space and they would rather there's less people competing

00:38:17.580 --> 00:38:21.020
so they're happy to take their really significant cut

00:38:21.020 --> 00:38:24.860
that they are, but they have an effective monopoly on cutting edge chips.

00:38:24.860 --> 00:38:29.660
And the fact that they're not like just astronomically more expensive is I think we're...

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Yeah, I remember seeing a quote from, I think it was TSMC's chairman or something like that,

00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:40.180
basically making the observation that NVIDIA is sure charging a lot for these AI processors.

00:38:40.180 --> 00:38:45.540
Yeah, yeah, I don't remember that quote, but I know what you're talking about. Yeah, like, huh, we could take more of that

00:38:45.540 --> 00:38:49.020
because who else is gonna make it? Nobody, no one. No one.

00:38:49.020 --> 00:38:53.260
Like they could effectively charge,

00:38:53.260 --> 00:38:56.380
there's limits to this, but practically anything for certain product lines

00:38:56.380 --> 00:39:00.540
that like, a government is not gonna just not buy it.

00:39:00.540 --> 00:39:05.140
Yep. So like, I don't know. I think, yeah, I think the fact that you can go out

00:39:05.140 --> 00:39:09.260
and buy a very respectable, super solid CPU

00:39:09.260 --> 00:39:12.300
for your computer for like a hundred bucks is...

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And it's from a monopoly that you're also going through middlemen for is wild.

00:39:17.140 --> 00:39:20.900
Like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

00:39:21.180 --> 00:39:24.940
I think... They're cheap because they're a loss leader.

00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:28.620
You buy the console and Sony gets the licenses when you sell the games.

00:39:28.620 --> 00:39:31.900
They have no competition right now. Yeah, but you don't decide that. That too.

00:39:31.900 --> 00:39:37.180
That's not up to you. Yeah, and when there is no competition, there's no real reason for them to do that.

00:39:37.180 --> 00:39:42.500
Yep. And who's competing with the PlayStation 5 Pro right now?

00:39:42.500 --> 00:39:46.660
Microsoft? Yeah. No?

00:39:46.660 --> 00:39:50.240
Yeah. Not even a little bit. My understanding is the rumors

00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:53.400
that Microsoft has actually canned their mid-generation refresh.

00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:57.680
I don't know if that will end up being true or if that's even the recent rumor mill.

00:39:59.580 --> 00:40:03.660
But Sony is effectively competing against absolutely nobody.

00:40:03.660 --> 00:40:09.500
And what they're selling is an experience that only has a value to those few who value it.

00:40:09.500 --> 00:40:12.980
And back to our conversation about the iPhone.

00:40:12.980 --> 00:40:16.940
Cause I think that in both cases, a lot of the criticism of our coverage

00:40:16.940 --> 00:40:24.340
came down to the same thing. Guys, Sony is not selling PlayStation 5 owners

00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:30.860
a $700 upgrade. Sony is selling people who want to buy a console,

00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:32.920
a $700 console.

00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.500
And if you want a disc version, yeah, you're gonna have to pay another 80 bucks

00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:39.980
for an add-on disc drive.

00:40:40.940 --> 00:40:44.740
Dude, the writing's been on the wall for game discs forever.

00:40:44.780 --> 00:40:48.660
I think this is... Getting to the last generation with disc drives.

00:40:48.660 --> 00:40:50.140
Oh, man.

00:40:52.140 --> 00:40:55.920
I hope not. Yeah. I hope not. Me too.

00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.180
No. I think we're gonna get one more.

00:41:00.180 --> 00:41:04.380
I think PlayStation 6 has a disc drive, but I think that it is,

00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:07.740
I think that it moves to this add-on model

00:41:07.740 --> 00:41:11.340
that we have now. And I think they de-emphasize it extremely heavily.

00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:13.740
And then I don't think PlayStation 7 has one.

00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:20.420
Okay, well, sorry, what was I saying? Right, so they're selling a $700 PlayStation

00:41:20.420 --> 00:41:24.000
to someone who wants a PlayStation 5, but a bit better.

00:41:25.060 --> 00:41:28.780
And if you have a PlayStation 5 and you were going to upgrade to it,

00:41:28.780 --> 00:41:32.420
you wouldn't be paying $700. So, PlayStation 5. You would be selling your PlayStation 5

00:41:32.420 --> 00:41:35.660
and you'd be paying whatever the difference is. So you'd probably get a few hundred bucks for your PS5

00:41:35.660 --> 00:41:39.380
and you'd pay $400 or whatever, which if we're being realistic,

00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:41.740
four years into this product's life cycle,

00:41:42.500 --> 00:41:45.700
it's not a ridiculous amount of money.

00:41:45.700 --> 00:41:50.980
I wouldn't pay it. I have personally never bought a PlayStation.

00:41:50.980 --> 00:41:55.060
That's not true. You've never bought a current-gen PlayStation?

00:41:55.060 --> 00:41:58.340
No, I've never bought a PlayStation. I was given a PlayStation 2.

00:41:58.340 --> 00:42:02.620
Oh, you were given that? Yeah, I own it, but I didn't buy it.

00:42:02.620 --> 00:42:05.980
All right, fair enough. Because I knew you had one. Yeah, I got a PS2. All right, fair.

00:42:05.980 --> 00:42:08.740
I thought I got you. No, it was a gift.

00:42:09.740 --> 00:42:13.940
Okay, so question, I'm jumping off topic from PlayStation.

00:42:13.940 --> 00:42:18.060
Do you have anything else to say about PlayStation? No, just we're evaluating it

00:42:18.060 --> 00:42:21.900
from the perspective of someone who's interested in buying it. And I think that's something

00:42:21.900 --> 00:42:26.660
that our viewers are just gonna have to get used to. We are not evaluating it from the perspective

00:42:26.660 --> 00:42:30.020
of someone who hates consoles and thinks they're stupid.

00:42:30.020 --> 00:42:34.420
Yeah. And we're going to be realistic. Like it was, I don't know.

00:42:34.420 --> 00:42:40.020
It's tough seeing people say, yeah, it's easy for someone like you

00:42:40.020 --> 00:42:43.220
to come down and millionaire explain to us

00:42:43.220 --> 00:42:46.580
why it costs so much, but you're just out of touch.

00:42:46.580 --> 00:42:49.980
It's like, well, okay, but if someone else said it,

00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:53.340
would it be more true? The information doesn't change.

00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:56.540
Or less true, because what it really boils down to

00:42:56.540 --> 00:43:00.540
is that there's about 200, 250 bucks worth of GPU

00:43:00.540 --> 00:43:03.780
and SSD upgrade in this thing. Stop millionaire explaining to me.

00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:07.100
And it costs about 200, 250 bucks more,

00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:11.100
kind of depending on how you want to do the math. Yeah. And it's like...

00:43:11.100 --> 00:43:15.740
They're gonna make money off it because they have no competition. So that's what companies do.

00:43:15.740 --> 00:43:19.620
And it's like, and we're not, I'm not being an apologist.

00:43:19.620 --> 00:43:23.220
I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying it is.

00:43:26.700 --> 00:43:30.260
Sorry. Yeah.

00:43:30.260 --> 00:43:33.340
The whole iPhone thing, the comment that I saw a few times

00:43:33.340 --> 00:43:35.140
after we moved off the topic was that

00:43:36.380 --> 00:43:41.500
we were ignoring negatives. In the video that you did for the iPhone thing,

00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:46.080
did you mention anything about how like, it's cool, whatever, but it might not make sense

00:43:46.080 --> 00:43:51.020
for you to upgrade if you're on 15? I just thought that was obvious.

00:43:51.020 --> 00:43:54.100
I did not mention that it might not make sense

00:43:54.100 --> 00:43:57.420
to upgrade from the 15. That wasn't my perspective.

00:43:59.020 --> 00:44:05.080
And I think this comes back to a point that you've kind of been hammering on for a while.

00:44:05.080 --> 00:44:08.280
We don't need everyone to have that perspective.

00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:11.360
Oh yeah, for sure. If you want that perspective,

00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:15.720
you should be watching a video from someone who has an iPhone 15.

00:44:15.720 --> 00:44:20.240
I don't. If you are seriously considering this thing, I would watch...

00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:23.920
I would value, personally, like actually completely detaching myself

00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:28.560
as much as possible. I would value seeing your video

00:44:28.560 --> 00:44:32.280
because it's a different take. And then I would watch a range of other videos

00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:37.240
that also have other takes. And then I would find where my opinion is on it

00:44:37.240 --> 00:44:40.600
somewhere in the middle or whatever.

00:44:40.600 --> 00:44:45.040
Maybe I align perfectly with someone who knows. But like, you figure out where it is.

00:44:45.040 --> 00:44:48.260
But I don't personally even want a reality

00:44:48.260 --> 00:44:52.120
where every single piece of content on a product is exactly the same.

00:44:52.120 --> 00:44:56.320
Because if that happens, there will only be one reviewer left.

00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.800
Yeah, and there's no... Because eventually people will stop watching all the other ones.

00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:03.360
There's no value to it. No one wants that. This is a funny thing.

00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:08.400
I often get asked by up-and-comers or people who want to start a tech channel.

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.840
You know, like, do you have any advice on my style?

00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:17.160
Like, what can I do to make my videos more like you? And I'm like, you don't.

00:45:17.160 --> 00:45:21.120
Yeah, make your own. You should have your own ideas. You should have your own perspective.

00:45:21.120 --> 00:45:26.640
However much the audience is gonna yell at you for not exactly copying what everyone else does.

00:45:26.640 --> 00:45:29.280
In the long term, it's better. They'll value it.

00:45:29.720 --> 00:45:34.680
And the proof is in the pudding. My perspectives, my takes have changed over the years.

00:45:34.680 --> 00:45:38.920
And that's not flip-flopping. That's being open to new information

00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:43.920
and new ideas and new perspectives. Theoretically, if you follow the scientific method,

00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.800
your stances on things should change with new information.

00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:53.560
You should be trying to have the most accurate one you can. And I did mention some negative things.

00:45:53.560 --> 00:45:57.260
Like, I mentioned that you can get cheap Android phones

00:45:57.300 --> 00:46:02.140
that have high refresh rate displays when I talked about the 60 Hertz display on the non-Pro.

00:46:02.140 --> 00:46:06.060
I mentioned that I would miss side loading and that I would probably still need

00:46:06.060 --> 00:46:10.900
to have an Android device handy. Like, I did acknowledge issues.

00:46:10.900 --> 00:46:15.860
It's not like I'm just trying to, yeah, it's not like I'm just trying to like

00:46:15.860 --> 00:46:18.940
be an Apple apologist all of a sudden.

00:46:18.940 --> 00:46:22.580
I'm never gonna get an invite to one of their events. That's never going to happen.

00:46:22.580 --> 00:46:27.020
And like, honestly, it really just doesn't matter anymore. I don't know if you'd want to go.

00:46:28.540 --> 00:46:33.180
It would be so much more work to make the same video that I would make in my basement.

00:46:33.180 --> 00:46:36.420
Yeah, because you're just watching the keynote anyways. Yeah, so like...

00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:41.780
So like, why am I there? Yeah, I don't know. Like, I can get hands on with it,

00:46:41.780 --> 00:46:45.860
but let's be real, it's an iPhone. Like, that's...

00:46:52.460 --> 00:46:57.740
All right. Okay. We've bashed the things that you were wrong about.

00:46:57.740 --> 00:47:00.820
Yeah. Moving on. Should we do this one?

00:47:00.820 --> 00:47:02.620
I'm still wondering what this one is.

00:47:03.980 --> 00:47:07.100
Oh. Oh, sure. Yeah, we could do a couple of merge messages.

00:47:07.100 --> 00:47:11.060
Sure. I mean, that was kind of like two topics, right? Yeah, I think that was two topics.

00:47:12.060 --> 00:47:15.980
If you guys want to interact with the show, you know, send a little message to producer Dan

00:47:15.980 --> 00:47:20.300
so he can put it at the bottom of the screen or send you a little response or forward it internally.

00:47:20.300 --> 00:47:23.580
The way to do it is a merge message. We don't want you wasting your money

00:47:23.580 --> 00:47:26.980
just throwing it at the screen. If you want to throw money at the screen,

00:47:26.980 --> 00:47:30.380
you should get high quality merchandise in the mail for your efforts.

00:47:30.380 --> 00:47:33.540
And we've got a deal for you.

00:47:33.540 --> 00:47:36.700
This week, we are heating things up

00:47:36.700 --> 00:47:39.700
with a special promo for Wansho.

00:47:39.700 --> 00:47:43.940
We're bringing back, Luke, you gotta get your thing. Oh, they don't fit.

00:47:43.940 --> 00:47:48.700
Oh. They didn't have my size. Did they bring the wrong size? Yeah, but I have other colors to show you.

00:47:48.700 --> 00:47:53.620
All right, cool. We're bringing back some pieces for a limited time

00:47:53.620 --> 00:47:57.220
now that it's almost fall. These are the color block hoodies

00:47:57.220 --> 00:48:01.220
that we released a couple of years back themed around our various channels.

00:48:01.220 --> 00:48:05.140
So I'm wearing the ShortCircuit one. Here's LTT, here's the Techquickie one.

00:48:05.140 --> 00:48:08.260
We thought it'd be fun to throw these back up on the site

00:48:08.260 --> 00:48:13.260
for just $39.99, but the catch is that they're only available

00:48:13.740 --> 00:48:18.020
as a mystery. So you never know which one you're gonna get.

00:48:18.020 --> 00:48:20.060
And we're gonna heat things up even more.

00:48:21.580 --> 00:48:25.180
Coming back at the same time, Wanswet pants.

00:48:25.180 --> 00:48:29.060
And if you buy a mystery color block hoodie, you'll get these for 10 bucks.

00:48:29.060 --> 00:48:34.380
Heads up. Which is nuts. Heads up. This is kind of for our big boys out there, okay?

00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:37.540
We have very limited stock of the smaller sizes.

00:48:37.540 --> 00:48:41.100
We're stocked a little bit deeper on the bigger sizes,

00:48:41.100 --> 00:48:45.820
but the discount will apply automatically when you have both a mystery color block hoodie

00:48:45.820 --> 00:48:49.860
and a pair of Wanswet pants in your cart. So if you're looking to send a merch message

00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:53.380
while being able to get some stuff that's on sale that won't be available for much longer,

00:48:53.380 --> 00:48:56.820
now is your chance. Also on the store, the offsite laptop bag

00:48:56.820 --> 00:49:02.540
is available again. To be clear, guys, it is not going to fit

00:49:02.540 --> 00:49:05.980
an Ohio class submarine in it. It is a laptop bag.

00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:09.180
It is not a, what are they called?

00:49:09.180 --> 00:49:14.100
The like messenger bags? Yeah, it's not a messenger bag. This is a laptop bag.

00:49:14.460 --> 00:49:19.380
Sorry for any miscommunication around that. LMG.GG slash laptop bag, it's up there.

00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:24.100
And I guess that's all we have to say about merch messages. So all you got to do is add something to your cart.

00:49:24.100 --> 00:49:27.860
You'll see a little box for a merch message. That'll go to producer Dan. Let's show you how it works, Dan.

00:49:27.860 --> 00:49:34.780
Hit me with a merch message. Sure thing. Hey, Lidar Nuke and Duo and PVS 14.9 Vision Monocular.

00:49:34.940 --> 00:49:38.300
Sure. Sure. I knew that thing. Yeah, cool.

00:49:38.300 --> 00:49:43.500
If given the choice and that it was unproblematic, would you choose to cover older military tech?

00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:46.100
If not, if so, under what circumstances?

00:49:48.020 --> 00:49:51.100
Older military tech. Yeah, I don't see why we wouldn't cover

00:49:51.100 --> 00:49:55.380
a military tech thing. The issue for me is that we don't really get

00:49:55.380 --> 00:49:57.380
into tech history that much.

00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:03.500
And we definitely don't, I think, have the street cred

00:50:03.500 --> 00:50:07.220
in the military space to speak intelligently about that kind of thing.

00:50:07.220 --> 00:50:13.060
Like I would be doing all the same research that anyone else would do, you know,

00:50:13.060 --> 00:50:16.700
browsing forums and Wikipedia and, you know,

00:50:16.700 --> 00:50:22.660
downloading schematics off of War Thunder or that are not supposed to be there or whatever.

00:50:22.660 --> 00:50:27.340
Waking military secrets, yeah. Given the reference in the naming,

00:50:27.340 --> 00:50:31.460
covering like night vision goggles, I don't think is a thing that makes a ton of sense for us.

00:50:31.460 --> 00:50:36.460
I think it would have to be like, how do they make sure

00:50:37.060 --> 00:50:40.260
that like, I don't know, these electronical components

00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:45.260
are able to survive in like warfare zones.

00:50:45.500 --> 00:50:51.140
I could say that being like a good tech wiki. Yeah, it'd be kind of interesting. What makes an electronic device battle-ready

00:50:51.140 --> 00:50:55.420
or something like that? But how does it help resist EMP pulses, stuff like that?

00:50:55.420 --> 00:50:59.540
Yeah, I don't see really the why we would get into like a specific piece.

00:50:59.540 --> 00:51:03.900
Like that really seems more like a gun channel could,

00:51:05.460 --> 00:51:09.660
okay, I could see us being brought in as a collaborator on something like that.

00:51:09.660 --> 00:51:12.180
Like if they wanted to discuss,

00:51:13.180 --> 00:51:17.140
if they pull the board out of something and they were like, okay,

00:51:17.140 --> 00:51:22.380
and then to talk about what makes this board special compared to consumer electronics at the time,

00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:26.220
we sent it to LTT or the opposite,

00:51:26.220 --> 00:51:29.940
considering they had that like, was it PlayStation 3s? I think it was at that server farm.

00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:33.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like little things like that, yeah, could make sense.

00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:37.700
But I think there isn't as much crossover

00:51:37.700 --> 00:51:40.180
as you might think. But there's some.

00:51:42.180 --> 00:51:46.420
Next up. Sure thing. Hi, LLD, you've teased a smaller backpack before.

00:51:46.420 --> 00:51:52.300
Is that still in the work? So or was it replaced by the, I don't know, laptop bag?

00:51:52.300 --> 00:51:55.420
Just cut off there. By the? Okay, by the.

00:51:56.460 --> 00:52:01.820
It is definitely still in the works. Our latest sample of it is very good.

00:52:01.820 --> 00:52:06.180
Luke, you saw it last week. Yeah, yeah. I really liked the side pockets.

00:52:06.180 --> 00:52:09.060
I won't say too much about it. Yeah. I don't know how much we're talking about,

00:52:09.820 --> 00:52:13.100
Did I even show you the little hidden pockets that are in them?

00:52:13.100 --> 00:52:17.940
I don't think so. I don't know if those are going to make it into the final, but we're going to push for it.

00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:22.700
Depends on, depends on costing a little bit. But yeah, no, the smaller backpack is coming.

00:52:22.700 --> 00:52:26.500
We're working on naming for it. I think we're going to have to do one more sample,

00:52:26.500 --> 00:52:31.500
but hopefully that'll be like a pre-production sample rather than a sample sample.

00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:34.980
And if we can sign off on that one, it can go to production.

00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:40.980
We're very, very excited about it. Right now it fits like a 15.6 inch gaming laptop

00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:45.580
pretty comfortably. We think we can make a tweak that would allow it to fit

00:52:45.580 --> 00:52:48.740
most 16 inch devices, even at that size.

00:52:49.780 --> 00:52:54.780
It's the one that I was wearing in my AMD Ryzen,

00:52:55.900 --> 00:52:59.660
Ryzen 9000 coverage from Computex,

00:52:59.660 --> 00:53:03.740
if I recall correctly. So it looks a little bit different.

00:53:03.740 --> 00:53:07.220
Computex line is 22 or four. It looks a bit different now.

00:53:07.220 --> 00:53:10.620
And the internal layout thankfully is way better.

00:53:10.620 --> 00:53:15.140
It was, my notes after that trip were not good.

00:53:15.140 --> 00:53:19.740
And I wasn't 100% sure if we were going to, if we were going to even be able to move forward

00:53:19.740 --> 00:53:23.740
with the product because the design of it

00:53:23.740 --> 00:53:28.740
was so dependent on it being basically unusable

00:53:30.860 --> 00:53:34.660
as far as I could tell. But Matthew, I think is the one who did the work

00:53:34.660 --> 00:53:38.340
on tweaking the design while also dramatically

00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:42.780
improving the usability of it. Yeah, here's the video where I think it

00:53:42.780 --> 00:53:49.220
made its first appearance. This is apparently a hack.

00:53:49.220 --> 00:53:52.620
If you just go back and forward, ads disappear.

00:53:52.620 --> 00:53:57.180
And the more you do that, the more it trains YouTube to just not bother serving you ads.

00:53:57.180 --> 00:54:01.620
Really? Yeah, it doesn't seem to account for it that you go right back onto the video.

00:54:01.620 --> 00:54:04.820
It's just accounts for that you bounce off the video the second you see an ad.

00:54:04.820 --> 00:54:08.260
Here's the question. Yeah. If ad block is piracy.

00:54:08.260 --> 00:54:10.660
Yes. Is ad aversion piracy?

00:54:11.980 --> 00:54:15.260
Like avoiding ads. Oh, like ad avoidance.

00:54:15.260 --> 00:54:21.900
Like going back and forward to make it not send it. Resume viewing, resume viewing, that kind of thing.

00:54:21.900 --> 00:54:26.620
Yeah, yeah. Creepy. I think as long as you are,

00:54:26.620 --> 00:54:31.540
because you're not breaking terms of service, it's not against the terms of service to...

00:54:31.540 --> 00:54:35.380
Close your eyes. Is it officially against the terms of service to use ad block?

00:54:35.380 --> 00:54:40.500
Yeah. Okay. Whereas navigating away from a page

00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:44.340
is absolutely not against the terms of service.

00:54:44.340 --> 00:54:49.340
But if you automated it, so if you had a browser extension

00:54:49.340 --> 00:54:53.620
that every time you clicked a YouTube video, like micro-loaded the page and unloaded it

00:54:53.620 --> 00:54:59.740
and then loaded it again, I think that would qualify as an ad serving countermeasure.

00:54:59.740 --> 00:55:03.260
Cause it's the automation of it. But not manually running it?

00:55:03.260 --> 00:55:07.460
That whole argument where ad block

00:55:07.460 --> 00:55:12.460
is basically the same as closing your eyes is stupid.

00:55:12.700 --> 00:55:17.300
Yeah. Because it's not. Yeah. Closing your eyes is the same as closing your eyes.

00:55:17.300 --> 00:55:20.700
And they'll compare it to like TV commercials or whatever else, right?

00:55:22.180 --> 00:55:25.740
No, because you would just close your eyes.

00:55:25.740 --> 00:55:30.420
That would be the same thing. But when you automate something,

00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:33.540
to me that becomes a...

00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:38.140
Is it also the distribution of it? Of said thing?

00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:45.580
Hmm. So you're talking like if you made your own script

00:55:45.580 --> 00:55:48.820
or something like that or you made your own tool. I want to address this really quick.

00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:52.500
Sidrax in full plain chat said, I just hate malvertising.

00:55:52.500 --> 00:55:55.580
I strongly agree. I hate malvertising too.

00:55:56.740 --> 00:56:01.460
We're not telling you, don't run this. We're also not telling you don't use ad block.

00:56:01.460 --> 00:56:04.780
Yeah. Literally never happened.

00:56:04.780 --> 00:56:06.620
Never said that. Yeah.

00:56:08.740 --> 00:56:13.100
Yeah. I don't feel like re-ashing that one today.

00:56:13.100 --> 00:56:16.820
Sure. I have never said don't use ad block.

00:56:18.140 --> 00:56:21.620
I'm trying to think like maybe there was some way to show in the garage in 2013

00:56:21.620 --> 00:56:25.580
where somebody's gonna like, got him. It's like, I don't know, whatever.

00:56:26.380 --> 00:56:32.220
Okay. I have never, that I recall, said don't use ad block.

00:56:32.620 --> 00:56:36.060
I've been very consistent for a lot of years that...

00:56:36.060 --> 00:56:39.180
I don't know. Val Herick in full plain chat said Linus literally

00:56:39.180 --> 00:56:42.820
called me up last night and told me not to use ad block. So what are you saying?

00:56:42.820 --> 00:56:50.020
I told you not to tell people that. That was a conversation between just the two of us.

00:56:50.020 --> 00:56:54.500
You called me too. So is that why you're so tired this week?

00:56:55.380 --> 00:56:59.060
You're just calling all of the audience members? I actually have to confess something.

00:56:59.060 --> 00:57:02.460
You broke into the Floatplane database? I have to confess something.

00:57:03.540 --> 00:57:05.900
I bought an auto dialer. It wasn't even me.

00:57:07.900 --> 00:57:11.420
It was a recording. Oh, so it isn't even... They couldn't even tell it wasn't me

00:57:11.420 --> 00:57:15.700
because those guys are idiots. It's not even AI of your voice?

00:57:15.700 --> 00:57:20.420
Nope. Nope, Justin. It's literally an old fashioned auto dialer. They got bam boozled.

00:57:20.420 --> 00:57:23.420
Wow. Yep. Wow.

00:57:23.460 --> 00:57:28.020
Get wrecked. Anyways, yeah, it's not a thing, dude.

00:57:28.020 --> 00:57:34.900
We're just... And we've both got some Linux ISOs, okay?

00:57:34.900 --> 00:57:38.100
So relax. Yep. Or don't relax.

00:57:38.100 --> 00:57:40.100
It actually doesn't really matter to me.

00:57:41.700 --> 00:57:46.700
Stay tense. I'm probably gonna do one more if you're okay with that.

00:57:46.700 --> 00:57:52.260
Yeah, hit me. Sure, sure, let's see. Hey, LLD, did Plex ever fix your issues?

00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:56.460
Got my first NAS set up a bit ago. Transcode it. Downloads are crucial for me.

00:57:56.460 --> 00:57:59.900
So decided to try MB. Haven't had any real issues.

00:57:59.900 --> 00:58:07.180
Might be worth a look. I am probably going to try jellyfin or MB at some point.

00:58:08.820 --> 00:58:13.820
Overall, I've been pretty annoyed with Plex.

00:58:16.420 --> 00:58:21.380
That issue recently was a permissions thing in TrueNAS where I was having trouble with that show

00:58:21.380 --> 00:58:25.220
you wanted to watch, so that wasn't a Plex issue. That series of Linux ISOs?

00:58:25.220 --> 00:58:32.140
Yeah, series of Linux ISOs, sure, whatever. The point is just that I haven't actually tried

00:58:32.140 --> 00:58:35.500
to do a lot of local downloads lately,

00:58:35.500 --> 00:58:38.740
so I haven't realistically played with it that much.

00:58:38.740 --> 00:58:41.740
But Plex has been pretty well-behaved for me lately,

00:58:41.740 --> 00:58:45.540
and I actually saw some pretty promising news. I think it was either this morning or yesterday.

00:58:45.540 --> 00:58:49.700
Plex announced that they're going to split out the photo backup functionality

00:58:49.700 --> 00:58:52.980
that they used to have in the main Plex app into a separate app.

00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:57.860
And I remember talking to them about that, because the photo backup function was really cool

00:58:57.860 --> 00:59:03.020
and really easy to use and really convenient, and I really liked it, and then they just deprecated it.

00:59:03.020 --> 00:59:08.020
And I was like, well, that's sort of uncool because I thought that that was part

00:59:08.020 --> 00:59:12.300
of the function of this product. So now it's a separate app, and I wonder if that's going to help them overcome

00:59:12.300 --> 00:59:16.980
some of the challenges that they've had, because from what I gleaned,

00:59:17.020 --> 00:59:22.580
the issues that they had continuing to support that feature basically came down to library access

00:59:22.580 --> 00:59:27.580
and constant changes when it came to accessing the library

00:59:29.140 --> 00:59:32.620
and then backing it up, especially as a background task.

00:59:32.620 --> 00:59:36.220
So if that can be a dedicated app rather than part of the video-watching app,

00:59:36.220 --> 00:59:42.500
maybe that'll help them do a better job of it. So I want to check that out, but I know absolutely nothing about it yet.

00:59:42.500 --> 00:59:48.420
And I'm going to have to, I'll give it a chance. I mean, I have a lifetime subscription.

00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:52.140
So if I sort of- If you go away from it, you can always just come back.

00:59:52.140 --> 00:59:55.300
Yeah, but the cost of Plex is not a factor for me.

00:59:55.300 --> 00:59:59.700
For a lot of people, the cost of Plex is a major factor. So they want something free and open source,

01:00:01.900 --> 01:00:04.980
So the cost of both of them is the same for me personally.

01:00:04.980 --> 01:00:09.620
It might change what I would recommend to someone else. I might say, hey, give these free options a try

01:00:09.620 --> 01:00:13.860
before you spring for the paid one. But for me, it doesn't matter. So I'm going to give it a shot.

01:00:13.860 --> 01:00:21.460
And then the other big thing that I'm waiting for is that NAS software that I invested in from hashtag.

01:00:21.460 --> 01:00:25.340
You doing the research on this before the NAS software comes out though,

01:00:25.340 --> 01:00:29.900
because I'm assuming you're going to have some video on the NAS software kind of does make sense.

01:00:29.900 --> 01:00:34.780
Yeah, but my whole thing with the NAS software is I want to have to do as little work

01:00:34.780 --> 01:00:39.140
and research as possible. Oh, no, I mean, like if you're making a video like,

01:00:39.140 --> 01:00:44.020
hey, do this stuff to set up your NAS or whatever, I don't know, having an informed opinion

01:00:44.020 --> 01:00:49.020
on the Plex, Jellyfin, whatever debate would be good.

01:00:50.220 --> 01:00:54.220
No, I probably won't. Oh, okay. Because a lot of my opinion is going to come down

01:00:54.220 --> 01:01:00.420
to ease of setup. And so my goal, my big ulterior motive

01:01:00.420 --> 01:01:06.620
Should have stayed out of it as much as possible. With this whole investment into hashtag was that

01:01:06.620 --> 01:01:11.460
whatever I want to install on a NAS that I think is good,

01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:17.780
I will have a back channel way of saying, hey, can you guys support this and make sure

01:01:17.780 --> 01:01:21.500
that everything just works so that I don't have to think about it.

01:01:21.500 --> 01:01:25.660
And then by proxy, everyone else will be able to install,

01:01:25.660 --> 01:01:30.660
let's say Plex or image or whatever, super easily

01:01:31.940 --> 01:01:34.980
and won't have to think about like the stupid permissions

01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:42.760
issues that like I switched which VM I was using to download ISOs and it made it so there was like,

01:01:43.560 --> 01:01:47.560
it turned it in like read only for certain containers

01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:53.360
or cause it's using like Kubernetes. I was on the older version of Trunez scale.

01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:56.680
It's just like such a mess and I'm sitting here going,

01:01:56.680 --> 01:02:01.680
I don't want any of this. I just want to have my files and like I can read

01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:06.120
and write them and stuff. Yeah, it's the whole thing.

01:02:07.120 --> 01:02:10.600
All right, are we done now?

01:02:10.600 --> 01:02:13.720
Are we moving on? I don't know, who knows?

01:02:13.720 --> 01:02:15.200
You want to pick a topic, Luke?

01:02:17.200 --> 01:02:21.880
This one. Which one? Let's grow up. Might just be a man and say it.

01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:25.080
Cause I don't know what's going on with it. Be a man, do the right thing.

01:02:25.080 --> 01:02:28.880
I fix it. Sure, yeah. What's happening there?

01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:32.440
Tell me, inform me. Honestly, I don't know.

01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:36.280
So why don't we do this together? Oh, oh boy.

01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:39.400
So earlier this week, yesterday,

01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:43.040
I fixed it announced their smart soldering iron.

01:02:43.040 --> 01:02:48.640
This thing's kind of wild by the way. It's, this is cool, 100 watt heater,

01:02:48.640 --> 01:02:54.480
ready to solder in five seconds. It can run off the wall for like an entire work day.

01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:59.240
I think they advertise. It has a literal web interface

01:02:59.240 --> 01:03:02.760
that you access through like Chrome,

01:03:03.120 --> 01:03:07.880
like through a browser, like an actual, you know, like a web interface.

01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:13.080
So that you can configure it. And yeah, I don't know, it looks pretty cool.

01:03:13.080 --> 01:03:16.880
I've definitely seen some discussion around the price.

01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:20.840
By the time you buy the soldering iron and the dock and you know, whatever else,

01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:27.800
people are saying it's like hundreds of dollars, which when you compare to some of the more

01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:31.600
value oriented options is not that competitive.

01:03:31.600 --> 01:03:35.360
Yeah, but there are also soldering irons that are wicked expensive.

01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:39.960
There are, but I think that for the people who are into like hackos,

01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:43.280
you're gonna pry them from their cold dead hands. Yeah.

01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:47.160
I'm showing our producer cam for no reason.

01:03:47.160 --> 01:03:50.160
Oh, I'm a JBC boy. Oh, really? Oh, okay, there you go.

01:03:50.160 --> 01:03:54.160
Rolls Royce, baby. Actually, the one I have at home is like a $40 clone

01:03:54.160 --> 01:03:57.680
and it's like, okay, but it doesn't have a battery pack.

01:03:57.680 --> 01:04:01.040
You can't like move it around. Oh yeah, that's right. Dan's the one.

01:04:01.120 --> 01:04:04.160
He's the one who made us spend a fortune on those stupid soldering stations.

01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:08.080
That's so nice, dude. I was sitting there. They're a partner.

01:04:08.080 --> 01:04:11.960
This is not an endorsement, but I was sitting there trying to learn

01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:16.200
on my soldering iron. Oh yeah. This actually happened.

01:04:16.200 --> 01:04:20.600
I was trying to get Dan to like teach me how to solder. And I was, you know, coming along,

01:04:20.600 --> 01:04:24.120
but I was struggling a little bit and then he gave me the nice soldering iron. I instantly did it.

01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:32.760
Cause you're learning the techniques. You're not necessarily, cause you're, for me to use a really broken soldering iron

01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:39.640
is difficult, but I know what's wrong and for somebody learning, but you don't need like a $1,500 station

01:04:39.640 --> 01:04:43.240
to learn how to solder with. Yeah, so it's like, it's definitely a skill issue.

01:04:43.240 --> 01:04:46.520
It's for sure a skill issue, but still the nice soldering iron

01:04:46.520 --> 01:04:50.520
just made it so much easier. And something that has like temperature control

01:04:50.520 --> 01:04:53.920
like this and it can get hot really quickly and it's not super unwieldy.

01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.040
It's a nice thing about the JBCs is they are like this size

01:04:57.040 --> 01:05:01.080
for their, their ends and stuff like that, but they're ultra professional levels.

01:05:01.080 --> 01:05:05.840
Yeah. All right. So, oops, where am I going?

01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.400
Last laptop, there we go. So back to this thing. So I've seen some, some commentary on the pricing.

01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:14.720
Some people are not super thrilled with it. Some people are, are more thrilled with it.

01:05:14.720 --> 01:05:20.360
Anyway, Vitor responds and says, now I want an LTT soldering iron

01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:25.160
and Kyle Wiens, CEO of iFixit says,

01:05:25.200 --> 01:05:28.280
he does seem to be good at copying our products.

01:05:28.280 --> 01:05:32.440
There's been a fair amount of speculation as to what exactly he means by this.

01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:36.760
Is it gentle ribbing? Is it genuine upset?

01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.800
And more than one person has pointed out

01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.520
that on the very day that he posted this, one of our videos went live

01:05:43.520 --> 01:05:45.480
with an iFixit sponsorship in it.

01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:51.400
So what I will say is, I also don't know.

01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:56.880
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to reiterate everything that I've said about the iFixit relationship

01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.200
and we'll go from there. Sure.

01:06:00.200 --> 01:06:04.800
So if it's gentle ribbing, gentle ribbing received,

01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:10.600
if it's not gentle ribbing, well, I don't know.

01:06:10.600 --> 01:06:14.200
We're good on our side. We're chill.

01:06:14.200 --> 01:06:21.280
We believe in the iFixit mission. We have absolutely no intention of becoming iFixit.

01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.920
We're not going to even begin to approach

01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:28.600
the kind of replacement parts that they stock,

01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:32.400
the guides that they create through their community,

01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:38.240
even the type of content that they produce. They do such a great job of their teardowns

01:06:38.240 --> 01:06:41.600
that we've looked at doing that type of content before

01:06:41.600 --> 01:06:46.440
and we've just kind of gone, yeah, I don't know, maybe someday, but realistically,

01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.800
this seems like it's pretty well served, evaluating the repairability of devices

01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:55.800
and stuff like that. We absolutely value iFixit as a partner.

01:06:55.800 --> 01:07:00.880
We specifically went out of our way to make our driver available as a standalone driver

01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.920
for people who just want a driver upgrade and they're going to put it into their iFixit kit

01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:08.680
and use it with their iFixit bits. We went out of our way to make sure

01:07:08.680 --> 01:07:13.000
that our driver was compatible with iFixit bits. So there's a whole thing.

01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:16.800
We talked about it in the ShortCircuit live stream when we announced our precision driver

01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.520
where the ISO standard is actually not

01:07:20.520 --> 01:07:25.160
what everyone including iFixit does and I forget the exact detail,

01:07:25.160 --> 01:07:31.400
but basically it comes down to manufacturing tolerances. So you're supposed to have this socket,

01:07:31.400 --> 01:07:34.720
which is actually a, if I recall correctly,

01:07:34.720 --> 01:07:38.800
a metric translation of what is actually an imperial size.

01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:41.800
So that's supposed to be the size and then the bits are supposed to be smaller,

01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:46.280
but what everybody else does is they make the size bigger

01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:51.400
and the bits smaller or whatever. Basically you're supposed to make this big enough

01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:55.840
that at the upper range of the tolerances for the bit size, they'll fit for sure.

01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.880
And what we did was we made this at the lower range

01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:04.360
and then our bits were smaller, I forget. Hold on, let me think about what it is.

01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:09.280
So what happened was our initial drivers, this was too small.

01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:13.440
That's right. So everyone else makes the bits the size

01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.280
and then they make their driver bigger.

01:08:17.280 --> 01:08:22.640
Slightly oversized. And what you're supposed to do is you're supposed to make the socket the size,

01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:26.920
you know, four millimeters or whatever it is, and then the bits are supposed to be smaller.

01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:32.800
So in our first samples, we had bits and sockets that fit perfectly,

01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.520
but when we went to put someone else's bits in our sockets, we realized they were,

01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:39.800
the ones that were at the high end of the tolerance range were too big.

01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:44.920
So we had to go back and we had to make ours wider like everyone else and anyway, it doesn't matter.

01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:48.660
The point is that we went out of our way to make sure that the driver was compatible

01:08:48.660 --> 01:08:54.700
to reduce waste. So if people already have a set, they can upgrade to the fidget spinner slash precision driver

01:08:54.700 --> 01:08:58.320
without wasting all of the bits in the case that they already have.

01:08:58.320 --> 01:09:02.520
But we also wanted to offer an option

01:09:02.520 --> 01:09:05.960
with the ideas that we had to improve the product

01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:09.560
that would include bits and a case.

01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:13.560
So, you know, I don't know. If he's serious about it,

01:09:15.400 --> 01:09:19.360
I don't really know what to make of that. We're still down to work together.

01:09:19.360 --> 01:09:22.680
I disagree, I guess. I will say that.

01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:27.800
I disagree that it's a copied product. I fix it, didn't invent precision screwdrivers.

01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.760
I fix it, didn't invent bit cases.

01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:38.600
And, you know, from my point of view, either it's a copy at a higher price,

01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:41.840
in which case he shouldn't be worried about it.

01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:48.800
Right. Or it's a product that innovated with things like this magnetically detachable,

01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:53.320
nicely cool, stackable case, deeper bits

01:09:53.320 --> 01:09:57.360
that make their way into, you know, recessed housings more easily,

01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:02.160
an all-metal driver that has bit storage. They do have one with bit storage,

01:10:02.160 --> 01:10:05.280
but it's not all-metal, higher quality bearing,

01:10:05.320 --> 01:10:07.880
replaceable tops, stronger magnet.

01:10:09.120 --> 01:10:13.160
No, I think it's about as different as a product can be,

01:10:13.160 --> 01:10:16.520
and still be a precision screwdriver.

01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:20.040
Oh, we added magnets to the inside.

01:10:20.040 --> 01:10:23.160
Yeah, that's nice. It's a parts tray, effectively, yeah.

01:10:23.160 --> 01:10:26.720
And to be clear, the iFixit one can also be used as a parts tray, but it won't be magnetic.

01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.680
Yeah. So there you go. So yeah, I don't know.

01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:34.720
Is he mad? Who knows? Are we working on a soldering iron?

01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:39.040
Not at this time, but if we thought there was room to innovate and make a better soldering iron,

01:10:39.040 --> 01:10:43.600
I'm not gonna rule out anything. We definitely have other products in our roadmap

01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:48.440
that are tools, and therefore, we'll probably overlap with anyone who sells tools.

01:10:48.440 --> 01:10:51.440
But part of our product development philosophy

01:10:51.440 --> 01:10:55.040
is that we don't just make the same thing that's already out there.

01:10:55.040 --> 01:11:01.720
If we aren't adding something, then I don't see why we'd bother.

01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:08.400
And in some cases, what we're adding can be as simple as making it more affordable.

01:11:08.400 --> 01:11:12.320
Most things I have to do around my house basically just require a screwdriver.

01:11:12.320 --> 01:11:15.560
So I have LTT screwdrivers for everything.

01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:19.280
I had to use a hammer last night. Wasn't an LTT hammer.

01:11:19.280 --> 01:11:25.720
I was disappointed. We actually do have a potential product spec for a hammer.

01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:29.720
I have some ideas. OK.

01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:33.120
I know it's entirely a joke, but all right.

01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:38.440
It's true. I mean, what I said is not untrue. I used a hammer last night.

01:11:38.440 --> 01:11:42.240
And I literally pulled it out and was like,

01:11:42.240 --> 01:11:47.000
it's like blue. It's not orange and black.

01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.480
I have ideas. And you know what?

01:11:50.480 --> 01:11:53.600
Sometimes it can be as simple as coming in at a lower price.

01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:56.800
I think that anti-static work mats

01:11:56.800 --> 01:12:00.600
are overpriced, essentially.

01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:05.760
So our mod mat, which we actually created in collaboration with ModWrite, who

01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:11.360
has been doing mod mats for, Lord only knows how long they

01:12:11.360 --> 01:12:14.600
Didn't they patent it? Yeah, like way back in the day.

01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:18.120
So they're pretty OG. So we actually partnered with them.

01:12:18.120 --> 01:12:22.360
And ours is going to be coming soon. It's going to be very price competitive compared

01:12:22.360 --> 01:12:26.240
to what's out there. And that's still profitable.

01:12:26.240 --> 01:12:29.760
So yeah, if we see an area where we can improve

01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:33.360
the state of the market, then yeah, we'll go for it.

01:12:33.360 --> 01:12:36.360
But if we don't, then we're not just looking to come in

01:12:36.360 --> 01:12:43.680
and copy someone else's product. And I reject the assertion that this is a copied product.

01:12:43.680 --> 01:12:47.360
And if it is a copied product, they should have no problem recopying it.

01:12:47.360 --> 01:12:51.320
And then there's this better. And that's how competition works.

01:12:51.320 --> 01:12:55.120
Then everybody's product is better. I mean, we didn't patent anything here.

01:12:55.120 --> 01:12:58.280
Even if we could have, which I really,

01:12:58.280 --> 01:13:03.440
I don't think we could have. But even if we could have, that's not really how we roll.

01:13:03.440 --> 01:13:06.760
I do think at some point, we'll probably have to patent something.

01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.960
But that's not a bridge that we've really had to cross yet.

01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:18.400
I think if we ever did like a new, you know what?

01:13:18.400 --> 01:13:21.520
It's probably better for me to just not even say. There are a couple of things that we

01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:29.480
have in development that could potentially benefit from being patent, but patent tax right off.

01:13:29.480 --> 01:13:31.240
Yeah, sure. Let me get right on that.

01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:39.080
All right. Yeah. OK. Tony Ray, hopefully we're still cool.

01:13:39.080 --> 01:13:47.480
We love you. I fix it. And if you guys are mad, sorry.

01:13:47.480 --> 01:13:52.520
Speaking of madness, the US government pushes for, well, the dock just keeps floating around.

01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:58.120
The US government pushes for greater VPN access. Last week, the White House met with Amazon, Google, Microsoft,

01:13:58.120 --> 01:14:01.360
and Cloudflare, as well as civil society advocates

01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:04.840
to encourage tech companies to offer more digital bandwidth

01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:10.440
for government-funded internet censorship evasion tools,

01:14:10.440 --> 01:14:14.080
which is an insane sentence to me.

01:14:14.080 --> 01:14:17.400
Tools supported by the Open Technology Fund, or the OTF,

01:14:17.400 --> 01:14:22.640
which is funded by the US government, have surged in popularity in countries like Russia, Iran,

01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:26.720
Myanmar, and Myanmar. So I missed the end.

01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.720
According to OTF president Laura Cunningham,

01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:35.240
the number of VPN users they support has more than quadrupled over the last few years

01:14:35.240 --> 01:14:39.560
to around 46 million users each month.

01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.840
The OTF wants discounted or subsidized server

01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:47.320
bandwidth to help meet that growing demand.

01:14:47.320 --> 01:14:50.320
What is the witch to me?

01:14:50.320 --> 01:14:53.680
Sounds like the government is basically being like,

01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:59.640
yeah, we don't really care if you like pirate movies and music and stuff, we want all your data.

01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:04.160
That's my, that's what I get from this personally.

01:15:04.160 --> 01:15:07.960
Tools supported by the OTF, which is funded by the US government,

01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:15.200
have surged in popularity in countries like Russia. So they want resistant groups and whatnot that are in,

01:15:15.200 --> 01:15:19.040
maybe not super friendly to US countries to be able to do their thing.

01:15:19.040 --> 01:15:23.280
But do they want encryption for their own citizens?

01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:31.640
This would allow them to see all the things. To encourage tech companies to offer more digital bandwidth

01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.320
for government funded internet censorship evasion tools.

01:15:35.320 --> 01:15:46.640
Isn't that such a wild sentence? Huh, but, but, but, um, interesting.

01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:52.040
Yeah, I don't know a ton about the OTF.

01:15:52.040 --> 01:15:55.560
I don't know how far the fingers of the US government

01:15:55.560 --> 01:16:00.440
are in the OTF, but if you run the VPN yourself,

01:16:04.200 --> 01:16:08.920
you can do a whole heck of a lot. But are they saying they're running the VPN?

01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:14.000
I don't know, I don't know. Or are they saying they want tech companies to offer more bandwidth, wait,

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:17.040
for government funded censorship evasion tools?

01:16:17.040 --> 01:16:21.280
For those, not for all of them, for those.

01:16:22.280 --> 01:16:29.040
It's very interesting to me.

01:16:29.040 --> 01:16:33.280
It sounds like a two pronged attack.

01:16:33.280 --> 01:16:39.040
This is the vibe that I'm getting. So the one prong is, hey, we get to help groups that are in

01:16:39.040 --> 01:16:43.240
Russia, Iran, Myanmar, and other places. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is valid,

01:16:43.240 --> 01:16:46.240
which is probably something that they want to be able to communicate and organize.

01:16:46.240 --> 01:16:50.360
A multitude of reasons, for sure, for sure. And then the other one is like,

01:16:50.480 --> 01:16:55.600
oh, and if other people use it, we get to have a really good look into what they're up to.

01:16:55.600 --> 01:17:00.200
Well, yeah. Wow, 46 million users a month.

01:17:00.200 --> 01:17:01.200
Wild.

01:17:04.120 --> 01:17:09.960
OTF VPNs. Yeah, like what is an OTF VPN?

01:17:16.720 --> 01:17:20.760
No, this is good stuff. Do they do open VPN?

01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:24.720
Did I see an open VPN logo? I recognize that logo immediately, yeah.

01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:31.160
So wait, no, this is good then. So these are tools that you can use to build VPNs.

01:17:31.160 --> 01:17:34.240
Like this is not necessarily... Very interesting.

01:17:34.240 --> 01:17:39.200
Because I don't know, though. I'm not aware of a sick back door and open VPN.

01:17:42.440 --> 01:17:46.880
I don't know what this means, though, or if this is just a list of things. Like I don't know if this means...

01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:54.240
Do they make... Are they responsible for open VPN, guys?

01:17:54.240 --> 01:17:57.320
I don't know. Help me out here. I have genuinely no idea.

01:17:59.320 --> 01:18:03.440
Like I don't wanna get into like a WireGuard versus open VPN debate.

01:18:03.440 --> 01:18:06.680
Like, but WireGuard may be better. It's on here, though.

01:18:06.680 --> 01:18:11.880
It's on this list, that's why I'm saying like, I'm not sure what this list necessarily means.

01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:15.200
Like do they just put funding into these? Yeah, maybe.

01:18:15.200 --> 01:18:18.440
They're part of the funding for open VPN WireGuard and Tor.

01:18:18.440 --> 01:18:24.840
I see this, but I don't necessarily know if this means this is from the Open Tech Fund

01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:28.120
or if this means this is the funding that it's received. You know what I mean?

01:18:30.080 --> 01:18:34.960
They've got to have received more funding than that overall. Oh, wait, maybe that is overall, I don't know.

01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:39.480
Because it says Free and Open Source Software Sustainability Fund. Your mom's an open VPN.

01:18:39.480 --> 01:18:43.800
Why do we even talk to any of our chat so much? Read the last paragraph.

01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:48.240
Through the Faw Sustainability Fund, open VPN will focus on growing its core continuity.

01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:52.320
This isn't the, is that a different thing?

01:18:52.320 --> 01:18:56.320
I don't know. It is the Faw Sustainability Fund,

01:18:56.320 --> 01:18:59.280
a fund within the Open Technology Fund.

01:19:01.160 --> 01:19:06.400
I don't know, I don't know where this rabbit hole goes. But it's definitely weird.

01:19:06.400 --> 01:19:10.000
So there may be downsides, but fundamentally-

01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:13.080
It's probably good. Better VPN access seems-

01:19:13.080 --> 01:19:19.920
Probably good. Okay, I'm gonna say it's a W for now.

01:19:20.640 --> 01:19:26.240
And hopefully I don't end up eating those words. Yeah, we don't have very good information on this,

01:19:26.240 --> 01:19:29.280
so I don't think we can really say much, unfortunately, but we'll move on.

01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:32.480
What I would like to talk about is NVIDIA purses.

01:19:32.480 --> 01:19:33.320
Yeah, what?

01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:38.960
AI researcher Teresa Barton is selling a limited run

01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:42.760
of 10 purses crafted out of NVIDIA GeForce GT730

01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:47.880
graphics cards for $1024 or $1,024.

01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:53.240
Her website also indicates that she will at some point be selling a handmade bag made out of-

01:19:53.240 --> 01:19:58.440
A handbag. Yes, a handbag made out of a H100 AI chip

01:19:58.440 --> 01:20:01.600
for $65,536.

01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:05.720
While Barton says the cards themselves are non-functional and ethically sourced

01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:08.880
from data center dumpsters, the fans still work,

01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:10.280
which is, I mean, that's,

01:20:13.120 --> 01:20:16.960
that's neat, that's cool. Yeah, I don't know. Is there like a little battery bank somewhere

01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:21.840
to power the fan? I see the fan has its- The fan is on the outside and it has its own plug.

01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:26.120
Yeah, there's gotta be- There's gotta be something there. There's gotta be a battery in there or something.

01:20:26.120 --> 01:20:29.560
I think one of my questions is, how much stuff can you actually store in this purse?

01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:34.520
Like, is it purely aesthetic? I do think that they look surprisingly neat.

01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:38.160
Yeah. I read this title and I was like,

01:20:38.160 --> 01:20:41.880
oh, it's gonna look like junk. And then I saw the actual purse thing and I was like,

01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:49.320
oh, it's not too bad. What is the justification for the price here?

01:20:49.320 --> 01:20:52.600
Because she literally says- That's a purse.

01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:56.280
They're made of e-waste. I don't know, I think purses in general,

01:20:56.280 --> 01:21:03.960
it's just, there's prices, whatever, you know? How do these items end up so divorced from their costs?

01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:04.760
Like, is this,

01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:11.600
like about, here, here, is there like- I honestly think if you try to figure this out,

01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:17.360
you're just gonna hurt your brain. Is there an objective? Like, is she, is this contributing to some kind of-

01:21:17.360 --> 01:21:22.200
Oh, I think 1024 is just computer number. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I meant by that.

01:21:22.200 --> 01:21:25.360
I know. Oh, Mike, I just got assaulted by LTT ads.

01:21:25.360 --> 01:21:30.240
Oh, they just went away. I get it. All of the verticals of ads on this website,

01:21:30.240 --> 01:21:33.840
which there are many, they were all LTT ads for a split second and then they went away.

01:21:33.840 --> 01:21:38.720
Oh. Sorry. I just, I was kind of expecting it to say like,

01:21:38.720 --> 01:21:43.720
oh yeah, proceeds are going to some kind of research

01:21:44.200 --> 01:21:47.440
into AI or something. But no, this appears to be just like-

01:21:47.440 --> 01:21:51.120
I don't know, maybe she's just a bespoke designer that made only 10 of a thing.

01:21:51.120 --> 01:21:54.640
And if you're gonna do that, you're gonna charge a bunch.

01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:56.000
Yeah, I guess so.

01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:58.520
Okay.

01:22:03.120 --> 01:22:07.040
Sure. Well, hey, you know what? I wish you luck.

01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:12.600
I bet you at least one person bought it. You think so? I feel like it.

01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:15.960
You think so? I think so. I don't know, dude.

01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:23.200
I think that seems pretty unlikely. I think even most people who spend a lot of money on purses

01:22:23.200 --> 01:22:25.880
probably expect to be able to carry something in them.

01:22:27.320 --> 01:22:30.680
I do not agree with that statement at all.

01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:40.400
Wow. I don't really understand what I'm looking at here.

01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:43.920
So you're basically telling me this purchase

01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.240
is ineligible for this. Why is it even here then?

01:22:49.480 --> 01:22:55.320
I guess shop probably doesn't deal with a lot of things that are over 30 grand. So they never really thought about that scenario.

01:22:55.320 --> 01:22:59.400
This just seems like, is this a social experiment? Is she just trying to grab headlines?

01:22:59.400 --> 01:23:04.520
Like this can't seriously be the best sales

01:23:05.360 --> 01:23:09.520
pitch you could come up with. Is this like $60,000 one? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think she thinks anyone's gonna buy it

01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:14.120
personally. But like, you know enough rare one-of-a-kind

01:23:14.120 --> 01:23:20.080
GPT-4 training GP, you know there's lots of them. And if you know enough to know about GPT,

01:23:20.080 --> 01:23:24.280
then you'd think you could just use chat GPT to like write a better description for it.

01:23:24.280 --> 01:23:29.200
That's literally all it says on this entire page. This particular page I think is more

01:23:29.200 --> 01:23:33.680
about the bringing eyeballs in. I think she's meming, dude.

01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:37.440
Oh, at least to a certain degree. Yeah. Fits a phone.

01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:41.760
Nice. Yeah. Longer short chain available.

01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:45.440
I bet at least one has sold. I think she's meming. That doesn't look good.

01:23:45.440 --> 01:23:48.640
The other pictures looked pretty good. Well, pictures are just stupid

01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.640
because this picture is not a GT730.

01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:57.400
This is the H-101. So what is it doing on this product page?

01:23:57.400 --> 01:24:00.960
Like what is this doing here? This is not any of those things. This is ancient.

01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:04.160
This is like, yeah. GF100.

01:24:04.160 --> 01:24:07.400
This is Fermi. This is a 480.

01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:12.000
So like, what am I even... I don't think she expects to sell any.

01:24:12.000 --> 01:24:15.520
I think she's meming. Should I buy one? No, but I bet you she sold one

01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:18.920
because of what you just did. Don't actually do it.

01:24:20.120 --> 01:24:24.440
I want to know if it's a real site. Am I actually going to get a purse in the mail?

01:24:24.440 --> 01:24:26.400
Do you want my credit card? No, I don't want to.

01:24:28.400 --> 01:24:31.640
The only way I'm going to get an H-100. At some random time in the show,

01:24:31.680 --> 01:24:34.840
maybe you should throw that thing back at me. What?

01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:37.960
I'm sorry, I was talking. No, it's fine. Just the thing I threw at you,

01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:42.400
you want your water bottle back? But he didn't throw a water bottle at you, Dan.

01:24:42.400 --> 01:24:45.720
It's on your side of the table. With this?

01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.040
That's my water bottle. Oh, I drank from it. I couldn't find yours.

01:24:49.040 --> 01:24:52.240
Oh, okay. Do you have any diseases? I'm sure we've done worse.

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01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:03.200
The team does such a great job of the footage for these. A lot of it looks like it was provided by the brand,

01:26:03.200 --> 01:26:07.160
except that I recognize backdrops and stuff that we have.

01:26:07.160 --> 01:26:11.240
This footage, no, this is our footage. Oh my God. Look, someone bumped the table there.

01:26:11.240 --> 01:26:14.600
Like this is not. Good job, James. That's ours. This is ours?

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Yeah, I know that set. Yeah, that's the screen thing. Yeah, this is all our footage.

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That's how man is killing it. No, it's over in the corner where WAN Show Set used to be

01:26:22.360 --> 01:26:26.560
at the very far away of the other, yeah. There's a piece of glass

01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:31.080
and then they have a display behind it. Yeah, like, no, the team's great.

01:26:31.080 --> 01:26:34.680
Let's bring it back there. Yeah. This is where Edzel was experimenting

01:26:34.680 --> 01:26:37.680
with some of the UE5, like real time tracking stuff.

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01:27:35.240 --> 01:27:42.520
between a Hennessy Velossa Raptor, a gold-plated Cybertruck, or $100,000 cash.

01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:47.040
This says, what would I pick? Ooh.

01:27:47.040 --> 01:27:50.120
Oh, it cut back to me. Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be. What would I pick?

01:27:51.120 --> 01:27:56.920
What would I pick? I guess I'll take the cash.

01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:00.000
What would I do with a Velossa Raptor? Weak. What?

01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:03.240
I love that the follow-up sentence was,

01:28:03.240 --> 01:28:06.600
what would I do with a Velossa Raptor? Not the other one.

01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:10.120
Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, that makes so much sense.

01:28:10.120 --> 01:28:13.520
I'm trying to acknowledge something that's a real option. I mean, I don't...

01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:20.840
What, I would be seen in that? You could melt it into a controller.

01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:22.760
Like, dude.

01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:30.840
I'd be on the parking lot scraping it off. I don't know, man. I'd be legit.

01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:37.040
I'd be legit. Look, Reg, hopefully this is compatible

01:28:37.040 --> 01:28:41.240
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01:28:45.480 --> 01:28:49.360
I would be... They do have a Cybertruck and a Hennessy version

01:28:49.360 --> 01:28:55.200
of their things, their key holder and their wallet. I would be embarrassed to be seen in a Cybertruck.

01:28:55.200 --> 01:28:59.840
At all, or the gold-plated one? Is the gold-plated one less or more embarrassing?

01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:07.280
It's cooler. So it's less embarrassing? Yeah, it's cooler. I think it's so bad that it comes all the way back around

01:29:07.280 --> 01:29:10.400
to kind of cool. This might be a weird take.

01:29:10.400 --> 01:29:16.320
I actually think where it says just Ridge on the side of the gold-plated one actually just looks good.

01:29:16.320 --> 01:29:20.800
I rarely like when you see just the brand logo on things,

01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:25.080
but it's just something to break up, just the sea of it's all the same.

01:29:25.080 --> 01:29:28.800
Right there? Yeah. I think it actually looks sharp having something on it.

01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:33.320
Yeah. That thing looks so tacky though.

01:29:33.320 --> 01:29:37.840
I just can't. So if you had to pick a vehicle, you'd go with the Hennessy Raptor.

01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:42.440
If you had to pick something, you'd go with the cash.

01:29:42.440 --> 01:29:45.440
Hold on a second. Hold on, let me think.

01:29:47.280 --> 01:29:48.120
Pfft.

01:29:52.200 --> 01:29:55.880
Are you looking up their value on the resale market? No.

01:29:57.080 --> 01:30:00.280
You have to pay people to take them away. I'm just a little curious.

01:30:01.160 --> 01:30:05.880
Price of stainless steel per pound. Oh dude, see I would have a really hard time going back

01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:12.040
to filling up at the gas station. I am not into having a gas vehicle anymore at all.

01:30:12.040 --> 01:30:15.800
Can you go anywhere in a cyber truck? Hmm.

01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:17.040
Will it turn on?

01:30:20.480 --> 01:30:24.000
Get the truck and electrify it, it's a fun project. Ah.

01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:27.440
Not what, if I'm gonna have an electric truck I'll just get a Rivian.

01:30:27.440 --> 01:30:30.640
Dude, getting a, getting a like over a thousand horsepower

01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:36.320
Hennessy Velociraptor and taking the engine out and electrifying it would be kind of hilarious.

01:30:36.320 --> 01:30:39.320
That would be completely unrained. I'm putting my cappuccino.

01:30:39.320 --> 01:30:43.720
Ha ha ha ha! Dude, I'm sure the engine for the Hennessy

01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:47.640
is bigger than your whole car. Somebody put an LS in it with twin turbo chargers.

01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:51.960
They had to like remove most of the front end in the hood, it's 800 horsepower.

01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:56.880
Oh my, that's actually terrifying. Death speed run, yeah.

01:30:56.880 --> 01:31:01.200
That would have like the power to weight ratio

01:31:01.200 --> 01:31:05.680
of a slot car, like that would be ridiculous. It's like nearly one to one.

01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:09.280
That's crazy. Actually, I think the engine weighs probably more

01:31:09.280 --> 01:31:12.400
than the car. More than the rest of the car. Yeah, so it would affect that slightly.

01:31:13.400 --> 01:31:17.360
Top Gear 1224 says, what's more embarrassing, a gold cyber truck

01:31:17.360 --> 01:31:22.680
or a purple Taycan? Gold cyber truck. Yeah, I really think it is.

01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:25.600
The cyber truck is just brutal, dude.

01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:31.960
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Okay, we're supposed to do a few merge messages.

01:33:10.500 --> 01:33:13.660
Dan, go ahead and hit me.

01:33:13.660 --> 01:33:20.580
Sure. Hey, line us in the talent. I'd be curious to your thoughts on, yeah, that's nice.

01:33:22.820 --> 01:33:26.340
That's that. No, I'm not responding to this merge message. No, no, no, no, I don't like it.

01:33:26.340 --> 01:33:29.380
No, that's good for you. No.

01:33:29.380 --> 01:33:33.180
Okay, whatever. Talent is a derogatory. I take it that way.

01:33:33.180 --> 01:33:36.460
It is not. I don't think he means it to be, but right now.

01:33:36.460 --> 01:33:43.660
No, talent is not derogatory. It's, it removes the person from the statement

01:33:43.660 --> 01:33:47.300
where you're just like an object. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:33:47.300 --> 01:33:50.700
Hold on a second, I, what, really?

01:33:50.700 --> 01:33:53.820
I've always thought it's... I think they meant it as a derogatory,

01:33:53.820 --> 01:34:00.060
but it's like, no, that means that you're the real person and we're just like accessories to make your show.

01:34:00.060 --> 01:34:04.420
What? Oh, man, see.

01:34:04.420 --> 01:34:09.620
Because I've called you guys the talent before because from my perspective, like I'm producing the show

01:34:09.620 --> 01:34:13.220
and you're just kind of like a part of what makes the show,

01:34:13.220 --> 01:34:17.060
right? So you remove the like human aspect that your people... He's the human we're the...

01:34:17.060 --> 01:34:21.820
No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not a person either. Like the show, it becomes the entity, right?

01:34:21.820 --> 01:34:25.300
Wow. And you are just kind of a part of the show,

01:34:25.300 --> 01:34:28.340
like set dressing, right? I... It's a whole thing.

01:34:28.340 --> 01:34:33.340
Most of chat does not appear to be aligned with that, Dan.

01:34:33.860 --> 01:34:37.260
No, no, no, it's definitely supposed to be...

01:34:37.260 --> 01:34:40.460
No, I don't understand. I don't... Because I thought, because...

01:34:40.460 --> 01:34:44.460
Hold on. Because a lot of people have said, hey, Dan and the talent before,

01:34:44.460 --> 01:34:48.500
but this is the first time that like Linus has been... No, no, they're calling me untalented.

01:34:48.500 --> 01:34:52.540
It's definitely a sick burn. But like... But a lot of the other merge messages

01:34:52.540 --> 01:34:59.580
that use Dan and the talent in them, right? Yeah, because the on-screen players are the talent.

01:34:59.580 --> 01:35:03.140
Offer referred to as the talent. Yeah, like that's just... I think that's just an industry term.

01:35:03.140 --> 01:35:07.140
I don't think it's meant to be derogatory. Like if you say...

01:35:07.140 --> 01:35:11.140
And... Yeah, but that's derogatory to you because you're like the people as well.

01:35:11.140 --> 01:35:14.900
If you say and director, then like...

01:35:14.900 --> 01:35:18.780
I don't think that's disrespectful. I think that just describes their role in the production.

01:35:18.780 --> 01:35:22.700
Am I off base here? I don't know. I think we're all a bit off base.

01:35:22.700 --> 01:35:25.740
I didn't realize that this would be so polarizing. So immediately.

01:35:25.740 --> 01:35:29.020
Yeah. All right. I've never loved the turn personally,

01:35:29.020 --> 01:35:33.620
but I honestly, my amount of cares is quite low.

01:35:33.620 --> 01:35:36.620
Yeah, because like... But I've never loved the turn. Oh, all right.

01:35:37.500 --> 01:35:40.820
Well, for what it's worth, Luke? Host makes more sense. I think you're talented.

01:35:40.820 --> 01:35:45.300
Because is... Well, not everyone's a host though. Here's a question about the word talent

01:35:45.300 --> 01:35:50.060
because I just looked it up and I'm still not... I've taken it and maybe I'm just taking it wrong.

01:35:50.060 --> 01:35:54.260
I've taken it as like, you have an innate skill. It's not something that you honed.

01:35:55.620 --> 01:35:59.500
But you were just naturally good at something. Dude, you're applying video game logic.

01:36:01.220 --> 01:36:05.380
I get to be... That sounds very likely. Do I get to be right on WAN Show first?

01:36:05.380 --> 01:36:10.660
Are you guys actually siding with me for a change? Yeah, I think Linus is right too, yeah.

01:36:10.660 --> 01:36:14.820
Sure. It's all... It's a bit of a thing. Yeah, talent is used for anyone on screen,

01:36:14.820 --> 01:36:18.540
not just the host. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're calling me untalented,

01:36:18.540 --> 01:36:23.020
but they're just meaning on me, but no. Originally, the reason why I didn't originally like it

01:36:23.020 --> 01:36:25.780
is because it seems derogatory to everybody else.

01:36:27.140 --> 01:36:32.300
Oh. That was my original reason for not liking it. Oh, referring to the person who is like the star or whatever.

01:36:32.300 --> 01:36:36.700
Those are the only people that are any good. As the people with talent. Yes.

01:36:36.700 --> 01:36:40.060
Oh, I see. That's like, when I originally didn't like the word,

01:36:40.060 --> 01:36:43.220
that was my reason. Yeah, but I don't think like a director

01:36:43.220 --> 01:36:47.100
implies that they're not a talented one. I think it's just, yeah, no, talent is just...

01:36:47.100 --> 01:36:50.660
Yeah. But the directors tend to be the ones with the money.

01:36:50.660 --> 01:36:54.180
No. That's a producer. Yeah. Yeah, no, director...

01:36:54.180 --> 01:36:57.580
The director is not also... If you're good, sure.

01:36:57.580 --> 01:37:01.700
But if you're a good talent, then you also have money. And if you're a good...

01:37:03.140 --> 01:37:07.940
Actually, as far as I can tell, most everybody else ends up not making a ton of money, but...

01:37:07.940 --> 01:37:12.780
Yeah, then you're an extra. You're not even talent. Well, no, no, I just, I was trying to come up with like,

01:37:12.780 --> 01:37:16.060
I mean, I guess if you're like... See, but like, yeah, why is there a distinction there?

01:37:16.060 --> 01:37:19.660
No, an extra is still talent. Are they? 100%.

01:37:19.660 --> 01:37:24.940
100% Although, often extras are given no lines,

01:37:24.940 --> 01:37:28.900
so they have like no real effect on like...

01:37:28.900 --> 01:37:32.180
Luke's literally pushing this up. I'm going to have a year.

01:37:33.860 --> 01:37:41.100
Background extras, supporting artists, junior... Oh my goodness. Have we custodian-alized the extras?

01:37:41.100 --> 01:37:46.220
No, that's right there. No, no, no, no, I mean that we don't call them extras anymore.

01:37:46.220 --> 01:37:49.380
Oh. Oh. Now they're junior artists.

01:37:49.380 --> 01:37:55.940
Oh, that's... That's something that I didn't know about. That atmosphere sounds so much worse to me personally.

01:37:55.940 --> 01:38:00.500
Oh yeah, that's awful. Whoa, that's such a downgrade. Excuse me, what's your job?

01:38:00.500 --> 01:38:03.980
Could the atmosphere go stand next to the potted plant?

01:38:03.980 --> 01:38:07.620
Like... You've got some bad atmosphere. Gross.

01:38:07.620 --> 01:38:12.260
Oh man. Yeah, man. Yeah, this is not something I've thought about a lot

01:38:12.260 --> 01:38:14.700
or cared about much. I turn into gas.

01:38:17.220 --> 01:38:21.740
I mean, if you could do that, you might be one of the main characters in the show, I may be slowly turning into gas.

01:38:21.740 --> 01:38:25.140
I mean, we've seen plenty of evidence of it. Maybe.

01:38:25.140 --> 01:38:26.300
Those poor chairs.

01:38:28.940 --> 01:38:31.940
Okay, so when we frame it as Linus and the talent.

01:38:31.940 --> 01:38:35.660
What was the question? I don't know, I want to finish this thought. Yeah, what does that mean?

01:38:35.660 --> 01:38:38.820
So Linus and the talent means that I'm untalented.

01:38:38.820 --> 01:38:42.540
No. Yeah, that's what they meant. It was a sick burn.

01:38:42.540 --> 01:38:46.980
They were all as a series. No, but we've just established that talent is a role

01:38:46.980 --> 01:38:51.740
in a production. Yeah, you guys are both talent because, there, boom, talent, untalent, talent,

01:38:51.740 --> 01:38:55.980
untalent, talent, untalent. Yeah, but you still have a job here.

01:38:55.980 --> 01:38:59.620
Well, yeah, but they were just memeing because they were pretending to misunderstand

01:38:59.620 --> 01:39:02.980
the term talent as having talent

01:39:02.980 --> 01:39:07.980
and they were referring to me as being untalented. I think that's why I don't like the word.

01:39:07.980 --> 01:39:13.940
But they did. No, because in my mind, you're the one with the name.

01:39:13.940 --> 01:39:17.820
So you get to be a person and then we're just accessories to your production.

01:39:17.860 --> 01:39:22.340
No, because like, I've, okay. They definitely intended it to imply you are untalented.

01:39:22.340 --> 01:39:27.220
Yes, but I've gone on the third party sets where I am like the main person

01:39:27.220 --> 01:39:31.940
and I get referred to as talent. Or like on the contract, it'll just be like,

01:39:31.940 --> 01:39:35.900
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, here to for referred to as talent.

01:39:35.900 --> 01:39:40.780
Like it just means a performer. That's all it means. Exactly, right?

01:39:40.780 --> 01:39:43.260
I mean, my favorite term is watering the talent.

01:39:44.820 --> 01:39:48.500
Right, I fill up your water bottles. I used to give the bands on stage their water.

01:39:48.500 --> 01:39:52.700
Do you want warm water? Do you want cold water? It would be best for your throat, right?

01:39:52.700 --> 01:39:54.420
Watering the talent, it's fun.

01:39:55.780 --> 01:39:59.060
I don't know. From now on, I want to be referred to as shortened.

01:40:00.100 --> 01:40:04.500
I'm not tall. So I actually see the whole term as kind of discriminatory.

01:40:05.580 --> 01:40:06.860
Okay, atmosphere.

01:40:09.620 --> 01:40:13.460
Kingant. All right, so what are we talking about?

01:40:13.460 --> 01:40:19.860
What was the short? You wouldn't let me get there. I'd be curious to your thoughts on why tech and gaming cafes

01:40:19.860 --> 01:40:23.020
haven't taken off in North America. It seems like it'd be a slam dunk

01:40:23.020 --> 01:40:28.660
with gaming becoming super mainstream and popular now. They don't seem to be doing as far as my

01:40:29.940 --> 01:40:33.260
terrible observations can account for it. I don't think they're doing as well

01:40:33.260 --> 01:40:36.420
in Asian countries either these days. Oh, really?

01:40:36.420 --> 01:40:40.500
I mean, I don't know. Because mobile gaming is taking off, that's why.

01:40:40.500 --> 01:40:45.100
Oh, but are you talking about like a themed cafe though? Or are you talking about like an iCafe

01:40:45.100 --> 01:40:49.820
with like gaming computers in it? Is that all what they're referencing? No, I think they're talking about themed cafes.

01:40:49.820 --> 01:40:52.900
Oh, my bad. Cause like there was that bar downtown

01:40:52.900 --> 01:40:56.540
that had like gaming themed cocktails and stuff for a bit.

01:40:56.540 --> 01:41:01.020
Was that what it was called? Stronger, yeah. Yeah, but didn't they shut down during COVID or something?

01:41:01.020 --> 01:41:03.580
I think they at least shut down one location.

01:41:04.820 --> 01:41:11.780
Looking it up. Yeah. I guess, I guess the question for me is, you know,

01:41:11.780 --> 01:41:16.780
what is it? Man, this is tough. Cause I have to confess that when we went to Japan,

01:41:16.780 --> 01:41:24.220
like went to the Pokemon cafe, for example, I was super unimpressed by the whole deal.

01:41:24.220 --> 01:41:29.420
The food was not just not very good. Like it was functionally inedible, a lot of it.

01:41:29.420 --> 01:41:31.100
We're sorry? In Japan.

01:41:32.620 --> 01:41:38.180
It was packed. Like business was booming, but it was just kind of sucky.

01:41:38.180 --> 01:41:42.220
And I just kind of wonder if the expectations

01:41:42.220 --> 01:41:46.700
for a themed restaurant are totally different here because I wouldn't see a business like that

01:41:46.700 --> 01:41:51.500
succeeding very well here. Your food still has to be good.

01:41:51.500 --> 01:41:55.300
Like I've never been, but my understanding is- Every food quality in Vancouver is actually insanely high.

01:41:55.300 --> 01:41:58.340
My understanding is even like Hooters has decent food,

01:41:58.340 --> 01:42:01.620
though I've never been there. That's what I've heard.

01:42:01.620 --> 01:42:05.660
Don't quote me on that. But I don't think it's good enough to have a theme

01:42:05.660 --> 01:42:09.300
with a themed restaurant with just like disgusting food

01:42:09.300 --> 01:42:13.460
in it here. Yeah, apparently the wings are great, says Chat.

01:42:15.340 --> 01:42:20.420
Yeah, there you go. So they used to to know about nowadays, the wings are good.

01:42:20.420 --> 01:42:23.540
Yeah. So maybe that's part of it.

01:42:23.540 --> 01:42:28.140
And I think that one of the challenges is that in order to have like a gaming themed cafe,

01:42:28.140 --> 01:42:31.820
it either is like sort of generic in which case

01:42:31.820 --> 01:42:35.460
I don't know if it would appeal to people as much or you'd be paying licensing fees

01:42:35.460 --> 01:42:40.380
because it's commercial use of the IP. And I think that affects the quality.

01:42:40.380 --> 01:42:43.420
So like the Pokemon cafe seems to be actually run

01:42:43.420 --> 01:42:50.020
by the Pokemon company. And so the kind of margin that these licensed brands expect

01:42:53.940 --> 01:42:58.900
has a direct impact on the quality of the product in a lot of cases has been my experience.

01:43:03.540 --> 01:43:06.860
With that said, I mean, I think we've talked about,

01:43:06.900 --> 01:43:12.500
you know, restaurant ideas before and like Yvonne and I have talked about lots and lots of business ideas

01:43:12.500 --> 01:43:15.780
over the years. Like one idea that I had a while back

01:43:15.780 --> 01:43:20.780
that I thought would be super cool is I wanted to create

01:43:23.700 --> 01:43:27.300
like like toddler land.

01:43:27.300 --> 01:43:30.860
And so the idea was that it would be like an attraction

01:43:30.860 --> 01:43:34.700
for adults where you have this warehouse

01:43:34.740 --> 01:43:38.620
that you decorate the outside to look like a normal house

01:43:38.620 --> 01:43:43.580
but everything is scaled up. You walk through a giant front door

01:43:43.580 --> 01:43:46.300
and you experience this entire environment

01:43:47.300 --> 01:43:51.620
like what it would be like to be thigh high to an adult.

01:43:51.620 --> 01:43:56.860
So there's like giant stairs and you can like sit and eat a meal at a giant table

01:43:56.860 --> 01:44:01.460
with giant cutlery and like, I don't know, it'd just be like a weird, it'd be such a like a,

01:44:01.460 --> 01:44:07.220
you know, an Instagrammable like thing to do. Big spoon on like suspension crane wires

01:44:07.220 --> 01:44:11.660
that like flies food towards you. Well, not even that, no, I hadn't gotten that far

01:44:11.660 --> 01:44:16.140
because that would be a lot of work. Sweet though. Mostly it was just going to be creating a giant environment.

01:44:16.140 --> 01:44:21.700
It was kind of inspired by these upside down houses that you can go to, but just like...

01:44:21.700 --> 01:44:26.660
Have you ever been to dark table? I have, yeah. I like those types of experiences personally.

01:44:26.660 --> 01:44:30.300
Would the meals also be giant portions? Yeah, I mean, sure, yeah, I'd be down.

01:44:31.300 --> 01:44:34.980
Like you source produce that's like oversized and stuff

01:44:34.980 --> 01:44:38.980
and like, I don't know, I don't know, just like wacky ideas, but...

01:44:38.980 --> 01:44:43.980
I've always had this kind of brainworm idea

01:44:44.340 --> 01:44:47.020
that like, if I don't want to,

01:44:48.900 --> 01:44:54.540
if I finally just want to chill, I would like go, you know, move further out

01:44:54.540 --> 01:44:57.500
than where we are now to a smaller area

01:44:57.620 --> 01:45:02.620
and then open just like a very small corner cafe diner thing

01:45:03.180 --> 01:45:07.180
like Luke in Gilmore Girls and just like do that.

01:45:07.180 --> 01:45:10.620
Interesting. To be like, I'm just going to chill now. And I would have to have enough money

01:45:10.620 --> 01:45:13.980
that it wouldn't have to be super profitable

01:45:13.980 --> 01:45:18.020
or maybe even profitable at all because like those types of businesses are often...

01:45:18.020 --> 01:45:22.060
You'd want to buy the property outright. Maybe find one that's commercial zoned on the bottom

01:45:22.060 --> 01:45:25.940
and then live above it kind of thing. And then just live above it like he does in Gilmore Girls, exactly.

01:45:25.940 --> 01:45:28.960
Are you a Gilmore Girls fan? Oh, yeah. Really?

01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:32.300
Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah. Huh.

01:45:32.300 --> 01:45:35.660
Yeah. Hold on. Okay. Let's play a game. True.

01:45:35.660 --> 01:45:38.780
I mean, I haven't watched it in a long time, but yeah.

01:45:38.780 --> 01:45:42.700
Well, yeah, it hasn't been airing for a long time. Like, are you like quizzing me?

01:45:42.700 --> 01:45:47.460
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to quiz you. I've only seen bits and pieces. I'm just trying to figure out...

01:45:47.460 --> 01:45:51.460
The game I want to play is I want to try to guess what it is that you like about it.

01:45:51.460 --> 01:45:55.940
Okay. So I think you probably like the Smart Snappy Dialogue.

01:45:55.940 --> 01:45:59.540
Yes. Absolutely. Very much so.

01:45:59.540 --> 01:46:02.540
That's a huge part of the draw. It's not the only draw. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.

01:46:02.540 --> 01:46:10.340
That's why I started there. That's why I started there. I think you like probably the relatively realistic

01:46:10.340 --> 01:46:16.600
and believable character interactions. It's very dramatic as a show,

01:46:16.600 --> 01:46:20.140
but it doesn't get into like, I cannot believe that any human

01:46:20.140 --> 01:46:22.940
would behave this way territory, I think, for the most part.

01:46:25.380 --> 01:46:29.460
That's kind of all you need. It is very dramatic, but there's never usually like,

01:46:29.460 --> 01:46:32.940
like I don't think there's any like murders.

01:46:32.940 --> 01:46:36.420
Yeah. It's not like, oh my, oh my goodness.

01:46:36.420 --> 01:46:39.460
It's like... It stays pretty grounded. Yeah.

01:46:42.900 --> 01:46:45.980
What else? For me?

01:46:45.980 --> 01:46:49.340
Yeah. I'm answering now. Yeah, I found some of the characters pretty relatable.

01:46:49.340 --> 01:46:52.380
I found the mistakes that the characters go through

01:46:52.380 --> 01:46:58.140
or like the choices that I didn't agree with to feel very human, if that makes sense.

01:46:58.140 --> 01:47:01.820
Like I might not have agreed with the choice that this one person did,

01:47:01.820 --> 01:47:05.220
but I could see them doing it.

01:47:05.220 --> 01:47:08.260
Or I could see like one of my friends like doing this thing or whatever.

01:47:08.260 --> 01:47:11.940
I found Rory insufferable. Often, yeah. I just like it like...

01:47:11.940 --> 01:47:15.620
She's not my favorite character. Sometimes there's characters that I dislike enough

01:47:15.620 --> 01:47:20.980
as people that I just kind of have a hard time watching the show. And I just found her extremely difficult to be around.

01:47:20.980 --> 01:47:25.620
In my opinion, and someone in chat said this, but I'm not actually just copying them.

01:47:25.620 --> 01:47:29.460
It's also my opinion. The show is about Lorelai and Luke.

01:47:29.460 --> 01:47:33.260
Right. And I didn't like Luke just because he shares my name.

01:47:33.260 --> 01:47:37.980
You're not that shallow? No, not quite. Because I definitely...

01:47:37.980 --> 01:47:41.340
And his character is just... I root for any character named Linus.

01:47:41.340 --> 01:47:43.340
I get so few Ws, Luke.

01:47:45.780 --> 01:47:49.260
There isn't that many Luke's either, but the ones that I do have are pretty cool.

01:47:49.260 --> 01:47:53.220
You literally have an apostle. I don't wanna hear about it. I have that.

01:47:53.220 --> 01:47:57.020
Skywalker's pretty sick. Luke from Gilmore Girls is pretty based.

01:47:57.020 --> 01:48:00.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't wanna hear about it. We've got it going on.

01:48:02.020 --> 01:48:05.340
Yeah, I don't know. It's just a good show. I like...

01:48:05.340 --> 01:48:10.660
I find... Some people might not even like this,

01:48:10.660 --> 01:48:14.380
but I don't care. I find a lot of modern media is like,

01:48:14.380 --> 01:48:18.420
ugh, like it's all about the grays.

01:48:18.420 --> 01:48:21.820
Like, you know, the evil guys, you should probably like them a lot.

01:48:21.820 --> 01:48:25.540
And the good guys are like actually really bad. And meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh.

01:48:25.540 --> 01:48:29.380
We're gonna make sure that you come out of this learning something and having moral questions.

01:48:29.380 --> 01:48:32.460
And like, sometimes I just wanna watch something and be like, cool.

01:48:32.460 --> 01:48:35.860
Yeah, the Nazi's lost. Yeah. And that's good. Good.

01:48:35.860 --> 01:48:39.900
Like, I just leave it alone. I don't... Anyways.

01:48:39.900 --> 01:48:44.060
And there's another form of content that aligns with that whole concept,

01:48:44.060 --> 01:48:47.140
which is just where it's like relatively casual

01:48:47.140 --> 01:48:50.780
and you actually just wanna relax and watch something.

01:48:50.780 --> 01:48:54.060
And I think Gilmore Girls falls in line with that.

01:48:54.060 --> 01:48:57.540
There's another like, there's a Canadian show

01:48:57.540 --> 01:49:01.460
where it follows a family that owns a,

01:49:02.660 --> 01:49:05.980
it's like a convenience store or something. Oh, Kim's Convenience. Kim's Convenience.

01:49:05.980 --> 01:49:10.860
Yeah. I like Kim's Convenience. Okay. For I think similar, but not the same reasons

01:49:10.860 --> 01:49:15.180
why I like Gilmore Girls. I thought Gilmore Girls was better,

01:49:15.180 --> 01:49:19.740
but I still thought Kim's Convenience was pretty good. Yeah, it wasn't something like Kim's Convenience

01:49:19.780 --> 01:49:23.820
wasn't something I was gonna sit down and watch dedicated. Sure. But if it was on.

01:49:23.820 --> 01:49:27.340
Yeah, it's cool. Yeah. And like Gilmore Girls was somewhat similar.

01:49:27.340 --> 01:49:30.620
I used to watch Gilmore Girls because the computer at my parents' house

01:49:30.620 --> 01:49:34.460
was in the family room where the TV was.

01:49:34.460 --> 01:49:39.980
So like my mom would be watching Gilmore Girls or whatever. And it was good enough that I would like headphones off

01:49:39.980 --> 01:49:42.980
and like actually pay attention to it while I'm doing other things.

01:49:42.980 --> 01:49:45.980
Slice of Life shows. Yeah, another chill. Slice of Life shows.

01:49:45.980 --> 01:49:51.980
Or you can go on the dramatic level and have more intense topics,

01:49:51.980 --> 01:49:56.380
but I often do like it when it's like, yeah, the Nazis lost and the Nazis are bad.

01:49:56.380 --> 01:50:03.220
There's a time and place for the like, the morally gray, learn things, question things content,

01:50:03.220 --> 01:50:07.380
but it's just, it's so constant these days. It's just like, man, relax.

01:50:07.380 --> 01:50:12.820
I don't, I actually just wanna chill. The world has enough of this already.

01:50:12.820 --> 01:50:16.020
Have you looked at politics at all?

01:50:16.020 --> 01:50:18.020
I don't need more of that personally.

01:50:19.860 --> 01:50:22.940
My goodness. All right, I forget what the question was,

01:50:22.940 --> 01:50:27.580
but go ahead, Dan, hit us with another merge message. Yeah, sure, yeah.

01:50:27.580 --> 01:50:31.260
What even is this show about? How did we get, was that a merge message? I think so.

01:50:31.260 --> 01:50:34.420
Yeah, that was a merge message for the last 15 minutes. Hey, Wanda Diallo.

01:50:34.420 --> 01:50:38.060
With the PS5 Pro comes my continued sorrow

01:50:38.060 --> 01:50:42.140
that storage is soldered. Thoughts about the idea that PS4 hardware

01:50:42.140 --> 01:50:46.380
could outlive PS5 hardware since high failure components can be replaced.

01:50:47.380 --> 01:50:52.740
That's an interesting question. And to be clear, I wanna acknowledge

01:50:52.740 --> 01:50:57.740
that the PlayStation 5 has some non-soldered storage.

01:50:57.740 --> 01:51:00.900
It does have a storage bay that you can install

01:51:00.900 --> 01:51:04.140
an M.2 SSD in which, in my opinion,

01:51:04.140 --> 01:51:09.140
was such a pro-consumer, like healthy move that I can't,

01:51:11.780 --> 01:51:15.420
I can't say enough how unexpected it was for me

01:51:15.780 --> 01:51:18.100
from Sony of all players.

01:51:19.060 --> 01:51:22.660
But with that said, what Eric points out

01:51:22.660 --> 01:51:26.580
is that the boot SSD is very much soldered

01:51:26.580 --> 01:51:29.860
and you cannot boot off of that M.2 drive.

01:51:33.140 --> 01:51:36.740
Could PS4 hardware outlive PS5 hardware

01:51:36.740 --> 01:51:40.220
because you can just replace the drive anytime you want?

01:51:40.220 --> 01:51:43.900
Man, I'd love to think that Sony could issue

01:51:43.900 --> 01:51:50.820
an update or something that would allow you to move all of the boot partition,

01:51:50.820 --> 01:51:55.420
like any necessary OS files over to the M.2 drive.

01:51:56.340 --> 01:52:00.740
I kinda don't think they would. But then I didn't think they would have an M.2 slot

01:52:00.740 --> 01:52:06.860
in the first place, so I don't know, maybe they would. But remember, Sony acknowledges, I think,

01:52:06.860 --> 01:52:10.780
that the performance of the M.2 slot is not as high

01:52:10.780 --> 01:52:15.880
as the soldered SSD. But then I don't think we've seen a game yet

01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:20.480
where it's made a difference. I think, really, my answer to all of this

01:52:20.480 --> 01:52:25.960
is that it should be terrifying for anyone who's into consoles that it's basically

01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:29.240
just PlayStation right now. That is horrible.

01:52:29.240 --> 01:52:32.240
It's very bad. Does it matter? Absolutely.

01:52:32.240 --> 01:52:36.440
Well, hold on, hold on, let me finish. Does it matter if every Sony exclusive's

01:52:36.440 --> 01:52:40.000
just gonna come to PC anyway? I'll let you finish, but.

01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:44.080
Oh, I did finish, I finished. No, I'm doing the Kanye reference.

01:52:44.080 --> 01:52:49.080
I know the reference, but I'm already done talking. All right, all right, all right.

01:52:49.080 --> 01:52:53.760
I think it does. I think it matters for console people.

01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:58.520
For PC people, I don't think it makes a difference. What's a console person even gonna be in a few years?

01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:02.760
I mean, Microsoft has publicly acknowledged SteamOS now.

01:53:02.760 --> 01:53:05.840
I think we're going to get a Windows console OS

01:53:05.840 --> 01:53:10.520
for handheld, at which point we're gonna get a Windows console OS for desktop,

01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:14.320
because it's basically the same thing. Get that, then I think it's fine,

01:53:14.320 --> 01:53:18.680
but I've heard no whispers of that. And honestly, PC on a TV right now

01:53:18.680 --> 01:53:21.960
is not a great experience. It's not a console-like experience.

01:53:21.960 --> 01:53:25.320
It's not great. You can configure Steam to launch on startup

01:53:25.320 --> 01:53:29.080
and launch in big picture, but. It's not. You're 100% right.

01:53:29.080 --> 01:53:32.440
Like there is, I don't care,

01:53:32.440 --> 01:53:36.480
but I understand the reasons why certain people like consoles.

01:53:36.480 --> 01:53:40.640
And they're getting less solid,

01:53:40.720 --> 01:53:45.760
because consoles are getting more annoying to use, I think over time, they're just weird and sucks.

01:53:45.760 --> 01:53:51.640
But back in the day, the argument was like, with my N64, put thing in, turn thing on,

01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:55.760
I am playing game. That's it, which is awesome.

01:53:55.760 --> 01:53:59.200
It was so funny. I saw one comment that had a fair number of upvotes

01:53:59.200 --> 01:54:02.760
that was just like, there's like charging more

01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:06.600
for just like, it's like slightly better and it's more expensive.

01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:11.600
And I was just like, just like on PCs.

01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:16.640
Sorry, man, but welcome to the party. Yeah, exactly.

01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:22.120
I apologize that you're here. Yeah, yeah, and?

01:54:22.120 --> 01:54:28.440
But yeah, no, they're so PC-like, you're right. Yeah, which unfortunately, they seem to be inheriting

01:54:28.440 --> 01:54:33.440
a lot of the negative aspects of PCs and not inheriting as many of the good ones.

01:54:34.320 --> 01:54:38.520
While PCs are actually gaining good things from consoles.

01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:43.040
Consoles are retaining a lot of the negativity that they've had, like paying for access

01:54:43.040 --> 01:54:46.400
to online multiplayer, like that is mind-blowing.

01:54:46.400 --> 01:54:49.560
And you look at the way that Microsoft has just

01:54:49.560 --> 01:54:53.200
brazenly changed the way that Game Pass works

01:54:53.200 --> 01:54:56.800
so that it kind of sucks on Xbox compared to on a PC.

01:54:56.800 --> 01:55:01.920
Yeah. And effectively have just said, I don't know, get good by a PC, then if you wanna get a good deal

01:55:01.920 --> 01:55:08.680
and gain the tablets, what? Yeah, it's I think a somewhat uncomfortable time

01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:12.120
to be a console gamer, especially if you're an Xbox console

01:55:12.120 --> 01:55:16.960
gamer, but even if you're a PlayStation console gamer, it's just all little uncomfortable right now.

01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:20.440
And if you're someone who's like a TV gamer,

01:55:20.440 --> 01:55:23.440
maybe let's call it that, then yeah, it's just awkward

01:55:23.440 --> 01:55:27.160
because Windows isn't an amazing solution.

01:55:27.160 --> 01:55:31.680
You can do it, but it's, yeah, it's not great.

01:55:31.720 --> 01:55:33.920
As long as you need a keyboard and a mouse,

01:55:36.240 --> 01:55:39.000
couch solutions for that are just kind of awkward and really bulky.

01:55:39.940 --> 01:55:44.620
And I don't think there's any getting away from that, to be honest. No, but there's so many games that you can play on PC

01:55:44.620 --> 01:55:48.280
with a controller now, like it's kind of solved,

01:55:48.280 --> 01:55:52.720
essentially. It helps a lot. Speaking of which, speaking of games

01:55:52.720 --> 01:55:57.560
that you could play with a controller, I have a hot take that the internet is not going

01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:00.780
to like me for. You played more of Final Fantasy six

01:56:00.780 --> 01:56:04.900
and it's not that good. No, I did play more of it. It's very good.

01:56:04.900 --> 01:56:11.660
Nice. I'm still very happy with that game. It's going to take me a long time to beat it, but on a, I got pushed with a very strong recommendation

01:56:11.660 --> 01:56:15.220
to at least try a game. Uh-oh. So I did.

01:56:15.220 --> 01:56:18.300
What game? And so far it's really good.

01:56:19.860 --> 01:56:21.940
What game? Star Wars Outlaws.

01:56:22.860 --> 01:56:27.020
Oh. It's really good so far. I thought people said it was okay.

01:56:27.020 --> 01:56:30.580
I thought people said it was terrible. Wait, no, I'm thinking of Jedi Survivor. Yeah.

01:56:30.580 --> 01:56:33.940
Okay. So sorry. Is that a hot take? Outlaws?

01:56:33.940 --> 01:56:37.940
Do people hate outlaws? It's because it's from Ubisoft,

01:56:37.940 --> 01:56:41.700
which is I think why people don't like it after playing the game.

01:56:41.700 --> 01:56:45.300
It has one of the coolest, I'm going to say most innovative and then someone's going to be like,

01:56:45.300 --> 01:56:48.300
oh, they lifted it from this any game. I'm sorry. I didn't know.

01:56:48.300 --> 01:56:52.060
Most innovative like lock picking mechanics. The story seems really good so far.

01:56:52.060 --> 01:56:57.660
The characters seem cool. The design of the environments are fantastic.

01:56:57.820 --> 01:57:03.140
The city that I'm in is awesome. There's some things that leave things to be desired.

01:57:03.140 --> 01:57:06.900
I think the speeder driving mechanics are not great.

01:57:06.900 --> 01:57:11.500
I think the general gun play isn't fantastic. Yeah, people are mad that you can't shoot and also drive at the same time or something.

01:57:11.500 --> 01:57:16.820
Kind of weird. Yeah, okay. You can use a ability to do like...

01:57:16.820 --> 01:57:21.580
Like a take down or whatever it is. Like an ultimate kind of... Yeah, but it has to like charge up.

01:57:21.580 --> 01:57:23.420
That is definitely awkward.

01:57:25.420 --> 01:57:28.700
But it also has barely impacted my gameplay at all, so I don't care.

01:57:28.700 --> 01:57:32.300
I haven't played that much. So maybe it becomes more of a thing the more you play. I don't know.

01:57:33.940 --> 01:57:36.540
But so far, having played it,

01:57:40.860 --> 01:57:47.540
I think most people are saying it's bad because Ubisoft is bad, not because the game is bad.

01:57:47.540 --> 01:57:50.580
I think the game is pretty good. How many hours are you in?

01:57:50.580 --> 01:57:54.500
Counting it in hours is already becoming disingenuous.

01:57:54.500 --> 01:57:59.500
I'm not that far in. I'm through the intro to the game area

01:57:59.500 --> 01:58:02.620
and then I've spent probably like 20 minutes after that and then that's it.

01:58:02.620 --> 01:58:05.620
So I'm not that far into the game. But like the sound is great.

01:58:06.500 --> 01:58:10.540
The story already has me quite interested. The lockpicking mechanic is so cool

01:58:10.540 --> 01:58:13.700
that there's a thing that constantly turns.

01:58:13.700 --> 01:58:17.820
And then in a rhythm, it like shows the pattern that you have to do.

01:58:17.820 --> 01:58:23.460
And then as it comes back around making like ticking noises, you have to like almost preemptively press along

01:58:23.460 --> 01:58:28.060
with the rhythm and then it unlocks for you, which is like actually kind of fun and satisfying.

01:58:28.060 --> 01:58:31.300
You like feel like you did well when you did it

01:58:31.300 --> 01:58:35.140
instead of a lot of other lockpicking mechanics and games where it's just like tedium.

01:58:35.140 --> 01:58:40.380
Right. I don't know. I just can't with Star Wars anymore, dude.

01:58:40.380 --> 01:58:44.580
I just, I... Oh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm completely ignoring that at Star Wars.

01:58:44.580 --> 01:58:47.900
Oh, okay. That makes sense. I haven't seen a lightsaber in the game yet.

01:58:47.900 --> 01:58:54.460
I don't think it matters. You're like outer rim, whatever, space out law person.

01:58:54.820 --> 01:58:58.500
Okay. No part of the game so far has been in like Star Wars

01:58:58.500 --> 01:59:02.100
has not been important even slightly so far.

01:59:03.140 --> 01:59:08.500
I don't think we've ran into a single character that's like a major character from the mainline series.

01:59:08.500 --> 01:59:13.460
Personally yet, there's no lightsabers. No, there's no even reference to any of it so far.

01:59:13.460 --> 01:59:17.460
There are technically stormtroopers. I think I've seen like four and they didn't matter.

01:59:19.060 --> 01:59:23.620
Yeah. Okay. And the last one,

01:59:23.700 --> 01:59:27.900
I think I've got for you here. Hello Linus Duke and Dan question for Luke.

01:59:27.900 --> 01:59:31.220
I currently am desperately searching for a job

01:59:31.220 --> 01:59:36.780
at a market that seems almost dead for developers. What do you think of jobs that ghost applicants?

01:59:36.780 --> 01:59:41.980
We've done it by accident. I am sincerely sorry for anyone

01:59:41.980 --> 01:59:44.240
that we ever didn't get back to.

01:59:45.380 --> 01:59:50.740
It was not our intent. Sometimes I end up doing it and I don't also,

01:59:50.740 --> 01:59:54.020
like he's saying intend to, but for some of the positions here,

01:59:54.020 --> 01:59:58.980
we just get an insane amount of applicants and it's a little bit hard to keep track.

01:59:58.980 --> 02:00:03.500
You can keep bumping to get a response, but in general, you're recognizing

02:00:03.500 --> 02:00:07.380
that it's a tough market out there. Don't just apply to one place.

02:00:07.380 --> 02:00:11.060
Yeah. And don't wait. Dude, I had not one.

02:00:11.060 --> 02:00:14.100
You gotta take care of yourself first. But two articles in my newsfeed,

02:00:14.100 --> 02:00:21.300
like before even refreshing that were like, I've applied to 900 jobs and like haven't gotten an interview.

02:00:21.300 --> 02:00:28.260
And I've applied to 400 jobs and haven't gotten an interview. It seems like it's getting hungry out there.

02:00:28.260 --> 02:00:33.380
A big part of the problem is? Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, spicy taking coming.

02:00:33.380 --> 02:00:36.540
No. Oh, okay. AI written applications.

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Oh. AI written cover letters, AI written applications. Like they're so good.

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Application rates at jobs are going through the roof, not in line with unemployment

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because the barrier to apply to places is lower than ever,

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especially when they ask for cover letters and stuff, because people just aren't writing them.

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Interesting. And then the average quality of people's writing is going up

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because a lot of AI writing is better than the average person's writing.

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Uh-huh. Yeah.

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Now, tell me this. If you're using AI to write your application

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and then they're using AI to sort it. Yep.

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This is a whole thing. How are the humans actually involved in this transaction?

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I don't really think it's going to have to find some way

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to change the dynamic of how hiring works. I don't know what the answer is, but...

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We go back to everything's in person. You walk into a store and hand in a resume

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like your dad told you to. Yeah, we meet potential employees at, like,

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you know, events and adventures. We have to go back to online dating,

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but for, like, jobs? I feel like...

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Speed applications. You all get together and, like,

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do, like, speed dating, but, like, job applications.

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Crazy. No, do not show up here with a resume. I'm just saying.

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You know what was very surprising to me? When we did the screwdriver pop-up.

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Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Tim, zero, zero, zero, X3.

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And I actually do believe this. My brother-in-law uses a bot to apply to 1,000 jobs a day.

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He got 10 offers since he started zero before.

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And people hear that.

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So then they start doing that because if you're getting zero offers, you're desperate, right?

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You're going to do something. This makes sense. You have to self-preserve, right?

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People are going to try to fight. So they're going to hear that and they're going to start doing that.

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And now this person who was previously able to apply

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to, I don't know, maybe 50 jobs a day, Max, is now applying to 1,000.

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Then you times that by a bunch of people. And then all the workplaces have too many applications.

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So it either takes them basically months to go through it, which is what, like, some of the positions I've had

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where I have 2,200 applicants, like, yeah, it's going to take an obscene amount of time

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to go through it all. Or they don't feel like doing all that work.

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So they just sort it with some algorithm or AI reading thing or something.

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So like, yeah, this is broken, basically.

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And I'm not, I'm genuinely, I have no clue what the next step is, but I really hope,

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I don't know, some startup or something finds some solution to solve this, because it's...

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So... It's bad. At the precision pop-up,

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I noticed we had a little booth

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that was like an LMG jobs booth. You know, Ariana and the new HR.

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Oh, shoot. Probation, I think.

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Well, whatever, whoops. Pretty sure that's wrong anyway, so I think you're okay.

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Nice.

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Yeah, let's go with that. I'm going to say pretty sure, but yeah.

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Cool, anyway, they were there and I dropped in,

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I was just like, what are you guys doing here?

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And they were like, oh yeah, it was someone in management's idea.

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And I'm like, they're like, why? Is it a problem? I'm like, no, it just wouldn't have occurred to me

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in a thousand years to have like an LMG jobs booth

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at like a product launch pop-up thing.

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But I talked to them after the fact, and they were like, yeah, we were actually like,

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what's the, not bumping, pumping, bumping would be like club, right?

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Yeah, they were like, boomin', boomin', business was boomin', was effectively what they said.

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And I was like, oh, that is cool.

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And I guess in the context of this conversation,

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that makes sense, like we're going back to human connections, to wild, right?

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Like that's not what I was told growing up. I was told, send your resume, maybe drop it off,

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ask to speak to a hiring manager, but like good luck, none of them are going to talk to you by the time that advice made its way to me.

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So, wild.

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I don't know if I ever got a job out of the blue.

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Trying to think, like I volunteered at the pool.

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Oh, dude. What? My family just, oh yeah, all of us.

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My mom got into the film industry by biking up to a film set and like talking to the director.

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And then the director could tell, they were in like the middle of nowhere.

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So he was like, yeah, sure, bring me a resume like today as like a joke.

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And she actually biked all the way back home and then biked all the way back to the set

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and gave a resume. And he was like, that's not sure, you have a job. And then she became, that was a union position.

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So she skipped the whole, like you have to work through Indies to get into the union thing

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because she technically got union hours from that, meaning that she was in the union.

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So then she was just working for like big Netflix shows immediately.

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Almost all of my early career jobs, I just got by like basically showing up

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and being like, I'll work right now. I can do this right now.

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And they were like, sure.

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I'm sure my brother has similar stories.

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My family's kind of, yeah, we've been all over that.

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Huh. Yeah. In response to your question, how'd I get a job at NCIX?

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I was well known on their forum. They had thousands and thousands of posts.

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They very much knew who I was before I showed up with the resume. Kind of how Sean got a job, sort of.

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He still had to like- From our info team. Win the interview rounds or whatever.

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He had to go through the process. But we absolutely knew who he was. Yeah.

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All right. But yeah, it sucks out there.

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It sucks real bad. It sucks for both sides because I've gone to pretty crazy lengths

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and it's sometimes taken a long time to fill positions in some of my teams

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because of the insane waves of applicants we'll get. The most we ever got, I think was like 22, 2300.

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But properly giving an appropriate amount of time to each one of the 22-ish, 100 applications is brutal.

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Hold on a second. Who is Top Gear 1224? Says he was notorious actually.

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What? What was your username on the NCIX forum?

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You too, Tybeck.

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I wanna know now. A new line is from the NCIX forum. Let's see if I remembered them.

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Or if I get to pull Thanos, I don't even know who you are.

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Yeah, we'll see if we get a response anyway. Sorry, I got distracted there.

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Yeah, I know. So it sucks for the people putting in applications.

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And it also sucks for the other side because I don't know that having an ocean of applicants

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actually means that you are for sure going to get

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the best one, because it's such a crap shoot. When you're just going off of pieces of paper

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that try to describe a person, it's like, no dude.

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Depends on what they're applying for. Like if they're applying for a writing position,

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piece of paper is pretty good. Yeah, maybe. As long as they actually wrote it.

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If the piece of paper is writing, but are you actually getting the writing sample

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with the initial application? Or are you just getting the resume and stuff

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and then you request the writing sample afterwards? Depends. I mean, a lot of the time you can,

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at least if they actually wrote it, you can tell a lot about someone's writing ability

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from the resume. Another problem, cause it's pretty easy. Like, okay, cool.

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We have this super Nido, was this written by AI checker,

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except that so do the people that are trying to get past it.

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So they can just make small edits until it says 0%.

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Like it doesn't mean anything.

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Top Gear was meming and Tyback says, you don't know me,

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but you were impossible to miss on the NCIX forms.

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Sounds likely. Yeah, that's kind of my jam. No, there's no archive, no key.

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It's actually a real shame. There was a lot of tech knowledge lost there.

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It was low key, like kind of an amazing resource,

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an amazing archive because the threads about products

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were tied to the bottom of the product page. So if you browsed the product archive,

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you could find all this discussion about products that was highly, highly relevant

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and probably difficult to track down anywhere else. It's a real shame that that site

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is just vanished into the ether now.

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I maintain that I would love to acquire the domain and IP

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and resurrect it, but we have not been able

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to reach an agreement that I consider

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to be reasonable up until this time.

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Taren asked me about it the other day though. He was like, do you like still want to do that?

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Sure. Like if you can negotiate it, but the offer that I got last time was not,

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had no basis in reality. So it was very difficult for me to...

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As time goes on too, it's worth less and less. Like, are they recognizing that?

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I don't know. I mean, I haven't talked to them about it in a while. Basically the last time I made an offer,

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it was pretty much based on the cost of a four letter.com

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and then plus like some.

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And then what they came back to me with was essentially

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an offer that would have some kind of like

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long-term revenue share and like a bunch of, and I'm sitting here going,

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you understand that this brand is like completely trashed

02:10:34.020 --> 02:10:39.980
and worthless, right? Like it's not, even the people who know what NCIX is,

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know that it imploded spectacularly and was like shady at the end.

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Like it's, the IP is worth nothing.

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The brand is worth nothing. It's a four letter.com.

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The computers with people's personal information on them were auctioned off.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's...

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The bit man asks, if you got NCIX.com,

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would you bring back the net linked name?

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No, I think what I would do with the NCIX channel

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is like a software and troubleshooting channel.

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I think that would be the closest thing to sort of its origin story

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while also fitting in well with our current portfolio of channels.

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I would love to do something like that.

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Yeah. Top Gear asks, is the issue of the creditors or the seller?

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Or that's not really what they asked, but whatever, close enough. It's a combination, right?

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Because the ownership of the IP

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was not necessarily the corporate net linked computer ink.

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So if I were to acquire it,

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there could be some dispute as to who I was supposed to pay for it.

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And none of that, as far as I can tell, has been legally resolved.

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And no one who's involved has any interest

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or any motivation to resolve it until someone comes in with a bag of money.

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So it's kind of a chicken and egg problem. So I just think it's just gonna,

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I just think it's gonna just languish forever.

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And I think that's also something that the seller doesn't understand

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is the baggage associated and the risk associated

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with digging up this corpse could be diseased.

02:12:29.420 --> 02:12:33.820
Well, just never sell it though. I mean, they'll die eventually.

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But that's not them selling it. No, I just mean like, you know,

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I remember telling my wife at some point, she wanted me to like pick something up. And I was like, any problem goes away

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if you wait long enough. She's like, no, I'm like, no, really. I mean, yeah, eventually we're all just gonna,

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you know, big crunch or whatever the current theory is for how the universe ends.

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Now that this is gonna matter. Yeah, eventually. The fact that humans were on this planet

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will be irrelevant. Eventually. Eventually. Yeah, sure.

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When the sun just goes, whoop. Wait, we digging up corpses to eat?

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No, no, no, just roadkill. I wanna be U.S. president.

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It's recycling. All right, what are we talking about?

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More topics. Oh, sure, yeah. This week in AI, strawberries, UI benefits,

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and meta being meta. Do you wanna do the AI roundup?

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Yeah, sure. There's some pretty interesting stuff this week. I wasn't sure.

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I didn't know that strawberry was actually 01.

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I don't know. I didn't dive super far into that.

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So maybe the person who wrote this is correct. I just, I didn't think that was the case,

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but I didn't verify this or anything.

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So maybe it is, I'm not really sure. But either way, I'll go through the talking points

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regardless, and then if you guys wanna look that up, if you care at all, then you look at that.

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Sure. But I'll go through the talking points. OpenAI has unveiled its new strawberry AI language model.

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Starberry. Star, star, star, I thought it was strawberry for days.

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Oh, wait, no, it is strawberry. Oh, it's starberry in the dark.

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Why do I not say starberry? Yeah, I thought it was strawberry. Gosh darn it, notes.

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Okay, well, that's fine. Handyman is saying it is. Starberry 01.

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I think he means- Strawberry 01. I think he means that it's-

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Look, if you want real news, go watch a different show. This is just us talking.

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I do have some cool stuff to show for this, but yeah. Okay, so strawberry, I guess it is the same thing.

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Thank you, Handyman. I believe Handyman. So they unveiled their new strawberry AI language model,

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which the company says has significantly improved reasoning and problem-solving abilities.

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The new model's official name is OpenAI 01,

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with initial versions available now, which are 01 Preview and 01 Mini.

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OpenAI says that 01 Preview outdoes GPT-4O

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in competitive programming, mathematics, and scientific reasoning.

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Users, however, say that this improvement is far from global

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and comes with significant delay due to the multi-step

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processing occurring behind the scenes before answering a query. So we're just adding more power.

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Before we move on to other this week in AI topics,

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I want to go over some of the things that I did.

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Oh, Luke did a thing. So one of the examples that they had was how many E's

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are in the word strawberry, which is, I think, why- Or sorry, how many R's?

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How many R's are E's or R's? Yeah, R's, I did E's because I wanted to switch it up.

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How many R's? So how many R's are in strawberry? Hold on, is this a trick question?

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Three? It used to say two. It used to say two.

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So previous models would say two because it couldn't count very well.

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It didn't have, it couldn't deconstruct problems, things like that.

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Okay. So I dumped- Do you mind zooming a little?

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Don't want to show you all that. Anyways, I already did. That's fine. We're doing some stuff with OVH.

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It's going to be cool. I copied some texts that I had

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and had it count the amount of E's that were in it. And it did it.

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And then I was like, I don't want to verify that. So I made a smaller amount and then asked it to count that

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and then I did verify it and they were correct. So it can count that properly now, which is cool.

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Okay, I didn't know that was hard. That was not super easy.

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And then I looked up a calculus question,

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a fairly basic one as far as my understanding goes. And I compared its answer to what the internet said.

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And it sounded like it was pretty correct. Ignore this part.

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Do you mind zooming a little? On the calculus question?

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I just- For the audience. In general, do you mind zooming a little?

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This is- No, it's not. Control plus. Okay.

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But yeah, it's interesting. It came to the same final conclusion that I found in Answer Bank on the internet,

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which was interesting. And then this is a question that I had shown on Wanshow

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before that it couldn't answer, which was this New York Times game

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with the rules of the game. And then can it do it basically, right?

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Oh, it totally did. So that was wrong.

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Oh, it was? Because I was trying to see, so this knew the 01 preview, you can't do attachments.

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So I was trying to see if I switch to a previous model,

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like GBT-40 and do an attachment, can I then switch to 01 preview

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and make it read the attachment? The answer is no.

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No longer allows you to switch the second that you have an attachment.

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But I just fed it the information this way

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instead of inserting a picture. So I just laid it out for it basically.

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It took 62 seconds, but it was not wrong.

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It won the game. Wow. Instantly. Well, in 62 seconds.

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Yeah. I then kind of realized,

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the works instantly 62 seconds of the time. I mean, more like the first time it tried,

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but so the challenge here,

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oh, I don't think I even told it.

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Isn't it crazy? Okay. I didn't actually ask it to do it in six words.

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Yes, Christopher, we do. I didn't ask it to do it in six words,

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but the goal this time was to do it in six words.

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Sometimes they'll be like, oh, do it and try to do it in four words or whatever.

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And when I play with Emma, usually we try to beat the amount

02:18:30.020 --> 02:18:35.940
that it asks you to beat it in. So it says six words. We'll try to do it in four words or whatever else.

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So I then asked it, after I did it right away the first time,

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I said, can you do it in as few words as possible?

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Because that's not in the rules. So it wasn't aiming to necessarily do it

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in a few words as possible. And then we went way off the rails.

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This was rough.

02:18:53.300 --> 02:18:58.940
After Y, we need a word starting with K. So we can consider the last letter of Koy is K

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by rearranging the sequence slightly,

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which is not a thing at all.

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Additionally, alternatively, we can add a bridging word if necessary, which is necessary and then it just didn't do it

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and decided the last letter of Koy was K.

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Which is a really different misspelled word.

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Sort of not how that works. So I tried to work with it and then it ended up answering

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but it answered like sort of multiple times in one answer

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and also the final one was actually eight words.

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And it was like, congratulations, you won using eight words. And I was like, that's worse than six.

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So yeah, I don't know. It's not a silver bullet

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and in classic open AI fashion, they're being a little closed about how it works.

02:19:49.340 --> 02:19:52.900
Nice. But it is interesting.

02:19:52.900 --> 02:19:56.220
You can see it sort of think,

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like throw a question at me and I'll show you how it in quotes thinks

02:20:00.860 --> 02:20:02.700
because this part's actually important.

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Sorry, what do you want? You want a question? Throw something at me to throw at it.

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What's better, a zip up hoodie or a pullover?

02:20:16.620 --> 02:20:20.340
Sure, why not? I don't know. Like you're putting me on the spot here.

02:20:20.340 --> 02:20:23.220
I don't know if that's a smart question. It's not.

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But let's see. So when it does this whole thinking thing, we'll see if it actually has to think.

02:20:30.100 --> 02:20:34.700
Yeah, okay. So we can see what it does. Evaluating hoodie types.

02:20:37.300 --> 02:20:42.540
Yeah, cool. It's very neutral, very good. But you can see the steps that it took.

02:20:44.340 --> 02:20:46.500
Noticing convenience and style

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for adjustable designs and casual aesthetics while pullover hoodies excel in warmth and simplicity.

02:20:52.180 --> 02:20:57.660
And I wanted to dive more into it. I wanted to try to play chess against it to see its spatial reasoning, but I didn't have time.

02:20:58.580 --> 02:21:02.380
But I was chatting back and forth with Wendell about this for a second.

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These are odd. These are weird.

02:21:06.420 --> 02:21:10.900
Oh yeah? Noticing convenience and style, did it notice that?

02:21:11.780 --> 02:21:18.620
Did that happen? They're like, they're very humanized ways of doing this.

02:21:19.300 --> 02:21:22.140
Right, but is it actually different from what it was doing before?

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It's, I think, I feel like they're trying

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to make it more approachable and friendly by humanizing it.

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And I don't know if I like that. And I wonder if this is part of the contention

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that has led to certain people leaving open AI.

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Cause this is like genuinely kind of weird.

02:21:46.180 --> 02:21:51.180
I think they just generate random text to it.

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Cause like this is all factors that would have had to be considered by any other previous model anyway.

02:21:58.940 --> 02:22:02.540
So if the only difference is that, like,

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and how do they prove that this has anything to do

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with the actual model training anyway? Like I don't, why would open AI be motivated

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to show us any part of the,

02:22:16.300 --> 02:22:22.860
of the narrowing down and categorization that helped it to understand my two comparatives here.

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Well, originally they were supposed to be open and now they're like the least open version.

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So I think that's why they would show us. But I think, in my opinion,

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the reason why they're showing these steps is they're trying to justify the time taken,

02:22:36.780 --> 02:22:40.380
which is, that does make sense. This is why it's taking time.

02:22:40.380 --> 02:22:47.020
Because it's not blitzing towards one answer. It's trying to compartmentalize the question that you asked

02:22:47.020 --> 02:22:53.500
and then solve each section individually and then bring an answer to you to deal.

02:22:53.500 --> 02:22:57.500
That's like the whole reasoning steps and stuff. I haven't done enough research on how this works yet.

02:22:57.500 --> 02:23:03.340
This broke yesterday. I've had no time, but it's definitely interesting.

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It is worse than old models at certain things.

02:23:07.260 --> 02:23:12.260
Some people have called that like an overthinking problem.

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Where sometimes the solution is like easier

02:23:16.620 --> 02:23:23.020
than it tries to make it. And by in quotes, again, overthinking,

02:23:23.020 --> 02:23:30.060
it causes some problems here and there. But yeah, they don't show it actually, it's faking.

02:23:31.020 --> 02:23:34.940
They hide it for competition. Yeah, I mean, okay.

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Like I was saying, they're very strongly humanizing what it's doing.

02:23:43.740 --> 02:23:47.380
They're not, it's not exactly what's happening. That's fairly obvious.

02:23:47.380 --> 02:23:54.460
It doesn't work that way. It's not noticing anything. But then wasn't it kind of already like friendly?

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Yeah, but by doing that dropdown, it feels like you're trying to look behind the curtain.

02:24:00.940 --> 02:24:04.620
I see. And there's another curtain. And I don't think, like in the same way

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that people used to argue with me before it was able to look on the internet,

02:24:07.900 --> 02:24:11.140
they're like, no, it is looking on the internet. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah.

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People aren't gonna get this. I see. And I don't necessarily think that's good, you know?

02:24:19.740 --> 02:24:23.460
In other news, speaking of things that are not that great,

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the state of Nevada has announced that it has paid $1.3 million for a Google-powered AI system

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that will assess unemployment claims using evidentiary documents

02:24:33.140 --> 02:24:37.460
and transcripts from appeals hearings and recommend to a human referee

02:24:37.460 --> 02:24:42.620
whether to approve or deny benefits. Nevada officials promise that every case

02:24:42.620 --> 02:24:45.940
will receive human review and they expect the new system will eliminate

02:24:45.940 --> 02:24:50.980
the backlog of cases that has existed since the pandemic by reducing the time it takes to write a determination

02:24:50.980 --> 02:24:54.340
from several hours to just five minutes in some cases.

02:24:56.420 --> 02:25:00.820
Here's my question. How do you do a human review in five minutes

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of something that used to take several hours unless you're just mostly going along with what the AI said?

02:25:08.060 --> 02:25:11.180
I don't know how realistic what I'm saying is,

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but I've also been reading some stuff about how the,

02:25:16.180 --> 02:25:20.660
you know, the whole, like, get a chat GBT

02:25:20.660 --> 02:25:24.820
or whatever style program to help you with the thing and then review the output before you submit.

02:25:25.900 --> 02:25:33.380
That's being followed through less these days. Well, yeah, dude, fixing a bad output in some cases

02:25:33.620 --> 02:25:38.220
as someone whose entire job for a lot of the last,

02:25:38.220 --> 02:25:43.860
probably eight or nine years has involved a significant amount

02:25:43.860 --> 02:25:48.540
of taking other people in this case, other people's output and fixing it

02:25:48.540 --> 02:25:51.820
is actually a significantly higher mental burden

02:25:51.820 --> 02:25:56.060
than just thinking about it and putting it down for myself in the first place,

02:25:56.060 --> 02:25:59.060
whether we're talking about script review or whether we're talking about,

02:25:59.060 --> 02:26:03.540
like a planning document for an event or whatever the case may be.

02:26:06.220 --> 02:26:10.100
Imagining for a second that by having the AI do the work

02:26:10.100 --> 02:26:13.940
that someone can just review it

02:26:13.940 --> 02:26:18.420
and that those skills even are necessarily transferable

02:26:18.420 --> 02:26:24.260
or fully transferable is so naive. You also have to understand humans, right?

02:26:24.260 --> 02:26:26.060
Like someone's gonna fall behind.

02:26:27.980 --> 02:26:33.300
And need to catch up because their boss is mad at them and they're feeling like they're gonna lose their job

02:26:33.300 --> 02:26:40.580
so they just start stamping things faster. Like it's, I don't like this.

02:26:40.900 --> 02:26:44.940
It clearly still hallucinates. It's clearly still does,

02:26:45.940 --> 02:26:49.460
is able to be lightly pushed into problems

02:26:49.460 --> 02:26:53.300
that are not super easy to detect if you're not really looking through stuff.

02:26:53.740 --> 02:26:57.900
It's not ready for these types of scenarios.

02:26:57.900 --> 02:27:00.900
And Meta's global privacy director recently admitted

02:27:00.900 --> 02:27:04.940
during an Australian Senate inquiry that the company has been using public photos

02:27:04.940 --> 02:27:10.780
and posts on its social platforms from as far back as 2007 to train its AI models.

02:27:10.780 --> 02:27:14.540
Meta claims the only scraped accounts of users over the age of 18.

02:27:17.540 --> 02:27:21.380
Is this even news? No. And Google's notebook LM app

02:27:21.380 --> 02:27:25.580
now has a feature called Audio Overview which can summarize the documents it's given

02:27:25.580 --> 02:27:29.780
into a lively bantering conversation between two AI hosts.

02:27:29.780 --> 02:27:33.100
Essentially a fully automated podcast.

02:27:34.540 --> 02:27:37.580
That actually sounds completely unhinged

02:27:37.580 --> 02:27:40.300
and I would potentially listen to the crap out of that.

02:27:42.980 --> 02:27:45.980
I would love, we should just feed the WAN document to it.

02:27:45.980 --> 02:27:48.980
See how it does? Yeah, see how it does. So accurate it is?

02:27:48.980 --> 02:27:53.500
I'd be actually pretty down. If you did this with the,

02:27:55.060 --> 02:27:59.660
I don't know, the automated meeting notes that you get, if you try to have something automatically take

02:27:59.660 --> 02:28:04.580
like exactly transcribe what people say from meetings, it's hilarious anyways, it's wrong all the time.

02:28:04.580 --> 02:28:08.660
Oh yeah, 100%. They all are. 100%. Oh dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.

02:28:08.660 --> 02:28:11.780
Oh, have I shown you this?

02:28:11.780 --> 02:28:13.700
I got a clip.

02:28:16.060 --> 02:28:19.100
Oh, hold on. This is amazing.

02:28:20.100 --> 02:28:23.300
Oh, I should send it to Dan. Do I have it?

02:28:23.300 --> 02:28:27.500
I wiped my phone a little while ago so I actually don't know if I have this clip on my phone anymore.

02:28:27.500 --> 02:28:31.180
I'm so upset right now. Oh, let's see if it syncs to Google Photos.

02:28:31.180 --> 02:28:34.540
My Google Photos a little messed up though so things don't always sync there.

02:28:34.540 --> 02:28:39.580
Okay, well, do a thing real quick if you don't mind. I'm gonna see if I can find this.

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Google the Way Back Machine. When Google search deprecated its cache feature

02:28:43.740 --> 02:28:50.780
earlier this year, Google liaison Danny Sullivan expressed a hope to compensate for the loss of the feature

02:28:50.780 --> 02:28:56.440
by linking to the Way Back Machine. Now, according to a blog post from the Internet Archive,

02:28:56.440 --> 02:29:00.820
that hope is now a reality. Google likewise confirmed that search will be linking

02:29:00.820 --> 02:29:05.740
to these archived websites. Users will be able to find these results

02:29:05.740 --> 02:29:11.180
by clicking the three dots next to a particular link and searching the more about this page option

02:29:11.180 --> 02:29:14.480
on the about this results panel.

02:29:15.480 --> 02:29:18.480
Which is actually pretty cool.

02:29:18.480 --> 02:29:22.360
So that's good news. Yeah, I thought that was super cool.

02:29:22.360 --> 02:29:26.720
That's cool. Being able to find Way Back Machine stuff better

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is pretty excite.

02:29:30.440 --> 02:29:36.400
So I'm actually really, are you still looking? I think I found it, but I am...

02:29:36.400 --> 02:29:39.920
Dan, do I have just like a standing share folder with you yet?

02:29:40.920 --> 02:29:45.920
No, but you can just send it to me on chat if you want.

02:29:46.360 --> 02:29:51.160
Nah. All right, while they do that, some other really good news actually.

02:29:51.160 --> 02:29:55.400
We're all in GabeN's family. Valve is officially rolling out Steam families

02:29:55.400 --> 02:29:59.240
for all users. Family allows up to six members of a household

02:29:59.240 --> 02:30:03.720
to play any game from their shared library. This includes the ability of multiple people

02:30:03.720 --> 02:30:09.280
to play multiple games from the same library at the same time or the same game

02:30:09.280 --> 02:30:12.600
if the library contains multiple copies. So cool.

02:30:12.600 --> 02:30:16.880
The previous family sharing system blocked playing multiple games from the same library

02:30:16.880 --> 02:30:20.920
if the owner was already playing a game. Which was really inconvenient for me

02:30:20.920 --> 02:30:25.920
because if I wanted to play tape to tape over in the LAN area and someone's playing Beat Saber over on the TV,

02:30:25.920 --> 02:30:31.080
I couldn't do that. So you had to go sign in a stupid other account

02:30:31.080 --> 02:30:34.680
to paint in the butt. If you're not playing the same game at the same time

02:30:34.680 --> 02:30:38.300
and you're a family living in the same house, this totally makes sense.

02:30:38.340 --> 02:30:42.180
I love family sharing. I've been in the beta for a while. I love it.

02:30:42.180 --> 02:30:47.340
I love it. I love it. I love it. And it's great and everything else needs it, dude.

02:30:47.340 --> 02:30:50.820
The kids wanted to, the kids want to try Anno. Yeah.

02:30:50.820 --> 02:30:57.640
And I was like, I like logged into you playing. I'm like, these guys are so far behind.

02:30:59.460 --> 02:31:05.380
So what I have to log in as a parent, I have to log my kid into my Ubisoft Connect account

02:31:05.420 --> 02:31:08.900
in order for them to play this game.

02:31:08.900 --> 02:31:13.060
Like the, we've gone so far backward from disks

02:31:13.060 --> 02:31:16.460
and then now Steam has caught up to disks

02:31:16.460 --> 02:31:19.660
and then passed disks in everything but resale.

02:31:19.660 --> 02:31:24.140
Resale is still something we've got to solve here, Valve. But like, dude, I was just,

02:31:24.140 --> 02:31:28.500
I was looking at it going, this is ridiculous. It's like dinosaur. I'd rather, I'd rather they just like

02:31:28.500 --> 02:31:32.020
not bother playing the game. I like, I just don't want to,

02:31:32.020 --> 02:31:34.940
I don't want to deal with this platform at all.

02:31:35.580 --> 02:31:39.380
This is an absolute game changer for Steam users. It should be noted,

02:31:39.380 --> 02:31:44.180
you can't just willy-nilly change families. There's a one year cool down.

02:31:44.180 --> 02:31:48.100
So you can't just be like, yeah, yeah, I'll just like join a family and then dip

02:31:48.100 --> 02:31:52.420
and then join a different family according to what's most convenient for our shared game library, but.

02:31:52.420 --> 02:31:57.380
You also like, so the next note is a counselor said his children will be unable to leave the group

02:31:57.380 --> 02:32:01.060
unless kicked out by a parent. Well, parents can leave at any time.

02:32:01.060 --> 02:32:05.460
Once a user joins a family. So they crashed the car, man. Now you got real leverage.

02:32:05.460 --> 02:32:08.740
I'm gonna kick you out of the Steam family. No, dad, I want to play the games.

02:32:08.740 --> 02:32:11.820
I wonder about that rule actually. It says once a user joins a family,

02:32:11.820 --> 02:32:18.740
they'll have to wait a year before joining another. As a child of a family that you may have conflict with,

02:32:22.300 --> 02:32:25.900
is that weird? It seems like it might be weird. I wonder if once you're a certain age,

02:32:25.900 --> 02:32:31.760
you can just leave anyways. I don't know, probably. Cause your age is determined by your birth date anyway,

02:32:31.760 --> 02:32:35.400
not by telling it how old you are, like in Steam.

02:32:35.400 --> 02:32:38.660
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you don't say, I am 13.

02:32:38.660 --> 02:32:43.080
You say, I was born in this year. So it should be fine.

02:32:43.080 --> 02:32:46.400
Yeah, yeah. Yes.

02:32:46.400 --> 02:32:50.520
Sound is very important for this video. They have to contact Steam. They can't just do it willy-nilly.

02:32:50.520 --> 02:32:55.240
I am a little worried if there's like any identifiable information in the videos

02:32:55.240 --> 02:32:58.360
or anything that needs to be blurred. Oh, what is this? Don't worry about it.

02:32:58.360 --> 02:33:00.880
Don't worry about it. Okay. Just don't worry about it.

02:33:01.880 --> 02:33:04.720
No, it looks like it should be fine.

02:33:05.600 --> 02:33:08.880
You're thinking about sharing it to stream, but I can't see what it is. Yeah, yeah.

02:33:08.880 --> 02:33:11.880
Well, cause it's a surprise for you. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's a surprise.

02:33:11.880 --> 02:33:15.880
Okay. On my own laptop.

02:33:15.880 --> 02:33:18.040
Oh, well, I didn't think of that. Did I?

02:33:20.360 --> 02:33:25.680
No, no, no, no. I can do it on my own laptop. It just makes this sound easier.

02:33:25.680 --> 02:33:30.680
This was taken in August.

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So this was taken a little over a month ago.

02:33:35.240 --> 02:33:40.000
And this basically summarizes in a nutshell

02:33:40.000 --> 02:33:45.000
why I just completely don't believe anything I hear

02:33:46.200 --> 02:33:50.240
from Google about the usefulness of digital assistance.

02:33:50.240 --> 02:33:56.320
I've talked a fair bit about how utterly bloody useless my voice,

02:33:56.320 --> 02:34:00.120
voice assistants always are for me. So no matter what the demo is,

02:34:00.160 --> 02:34:03.440
whether it's that stupid camera that was supposed to take a picture

02:34:03.440 --> 02:34:09.400
whenever it was the right time because AI or whether it's like your assistant's supposed to

02:34:09.400 --> 02:34:12.520
like book an appointment for you and it's somehow at the right time

02:34:12.520 --> 02:34:15.840
and the person on the other side isn't mad about it. Just like all these things.

02:34:15.840 --> 02:34:19.600
And I hear from you guys like, oh yeah, I know like it works great for me. I'm sitting here going,

02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:24.560
the amount of time you waste getting this stuff to work compared to the amount of time it would take

02:34:24.560 --> 02:34:28.720
to just call your stylist and make an appointment. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.

02:34:28.720 --> 02:34:34.280
An assistant is a more convenient alarm setter. This is the kind of that I deal with

02:34:34.280 --> 02:34:38.840
just about every bloody time I try to use the thing. Okay, so Dan, do I have audio?

02:34:38.840 --> 02:34:43.000
So your laptop's currently playing something. So let's make sure that stops before we play this.

02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:46.720
Your laptop's playing something. There we go. And I'm gonna turn that on

02:34:46.720 --> 02:34:50.040
and we should be able to hear it too. I hope, yeah, go for it.

02:34:50.040 --> 02:34:53.080
You guys got audio for me? No, I don't have it here.

02:34:53.080 --> 02:34:55.960
Does Luke hear it? We should turn on C.

02:34:56.800 --> 02:34:58.200
Can't hear it on C.

02:34:59.960 --> 02:35:03.320
I'm not hitting it anymore. I'm just making that noise. Stream does, stream has it.

02:35:03.320 --> 02:35:07.120
Oh, stream has it? I don't know why we don't. Wait, but Luke can't hear it? Nope.

02:35:07.120 --> 02:35:09.400
Well, gosh, darn it.

02:35:10.600 --> 02:35:13.960
Let's just watch Dan until he fixes it.

02:35:13.960 --> 02:35:16.720
I mean, you gotta play audio or I can't. Oh, I see.

02:35:18.200 --> 02:35:21.240
Yeah, I don't know. Let's look at him very intently. Why aren't we getting it?

02:35:21.240 --> 02:35:24.240
I wanted to listen. Does it look like I'm looking at him?

02:35:24.240 --> 02:35:29.040
I'm trying to look at his portrait. Oh, we were just gonna look at him.

02:35:29.040 --> 02:35:32.240
I guess we could look at him. He's behind a monitor, though.

02:35:32.240 --> 02:35:38.640
This feels like more, like if he's looking at the preview of the show,

02:35:38.640 --> 02:35:42.080
then this is intense, like we're like... Yeah.

02:35:42.080 --> 02:35:46.160
Yeah, we're overseeing. Micromanagement. I think I know what happened.

02:35:46.160 --> 02:35:49.800
You press that key on your keyboard slightly too slowly. See how effective this is?

02:35:49.800 --> 02:35:54.920
Yeah. He's gonna fix it because we're looking at him. I'm gonna have to take the stream down to fix it.

02:35:55.000 --> 02:35:59.080
We can... Really? We probably shouldn't do that.

02:35:59.080 --> 02:36:03.400
Let me see what I can do. If we go set this to seven. We can solve all the problems that OMG has.

02:36:03.400 --> 02:36:06.760
He starts to apply changes. No, I'm not going to do that.

02:36:06.760 --> 02:36:10.840
We can solve all the problems that OMG has if we just have two managers per employee.

02:36:10.840 --> 02:36:14.160
And then they just stand over them. Yeah. It's very effective.

02:36:15.440 --> 02:36:19.320
They work probably twice as our employee. That's what the construction does.

02:36:19.320 --> 02:36:24.320
And it's very efficient and there's never cost overruns.

02:36:24.680 --> 02:36:27.200
Construction sites, worker and friends.

02:36:28.480 --> 02:36:32.960
And to be clear. And like he said, timelines never get exceeded. No disrespect to the people

02:36:32.960 --> 02:36:39.640
who are working hard on construction sites. It just, when you drive past them, the optics aren't great.

02:36:39.640 --> 02:36:43.760
Yeah. Oh, honestly, the road workers, I understand almost more

02:36:43.760 --> 02:36:46.760
because a lot of the times it's the whole hurry up and wait situation.

02:36:46.760 --> 02:36:50.840
The whole crew can't be working at the same time. You have to wait for some process to finish.

02:36:50.840 --> 02:36:54.960
But it just, you know, when you walk by and there's four people looking at the one guy

02:36:54.960 --> 02:36:58.000
in the whole who's digging. It's just like, okay. Yeah, but sometimes the hole's too small

02:36:58.000 --> 02:37:02.320
and only one person can do it. Exactly. I also, and anytime people bring up that argument,

02:37:02.320 --> 02:37:07.280
it's just like, yeah, and then you go to work and sit on your darn phone anyways.

02:37:07.280 --> 02:37:10.320
Like there's... I have a solution. Assuming that...

02:37:10.320 --> 02:37:14.240
I also have a solution. The workers on the side of the road. How about you just turn up your laptop speakers?

02:37:14.240 --> 02:37:18.360
Just because what you happen to be doing is inconvenienced by these workers

02:37:18.360 --> 02:37:22.160
not having been done their job already. Doesn't mean that you're also not lazy at your job sometimes.

02:37:22.160 --> 02:37:23.000
Shut up!

02:37:27.120 --> 02:37:32.280
My solution is... My job isn't broadcast to thousands of people.

02:37:33.760 --> 02:37:37.520
I mean, yeah it is. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

02:37:37.520 --> 02:37:41.840
Okay, my solution is dumber than yours but also might actually work a little bit better

02:37:41.840 --> 02:37:44.880
than yours, Dan. Just play at the same time. So I'm gonna hit play at the same time.

02:37:44.880 --> 02:37:48.720
Sure. And then Luke can just listen to it, slash watch it on my phone.

02:37:48.720 --> 02:37:51.880
Oh, well... You have to... Oh yeah, I guess I'll have to do it.

02:37:51.880 --> 02:37:55.120
Okay, are we ready? Okay, so let's switch to line a slap top.

02:37:55.120 --> 02:37:58.760
Oh, Dan, why are you hanging out in the middle of my car console? Okay, here we go.

02:37:58.760 --> 02:38:01.320
One, two, three. Yvonne Ho.

02:38:03.840 --> 02:38:06.960
Who do you wanna call? Yvonne.

02:38:08.960 --> 02:38:12.280
Who do you wanna call? Yvonne Ho.

02:38:13.560 --> 02:38:14.720
She's right here.

02:38:16.640 --> 02:38:19.680
Who do you wanna call? Ghostbusters.

02:38:22.520 --> 02:38:26.640
Sorry, who do you wanna call? Yvonne Ho.

02:38:28.520 --> 02:38:31.600
Who do you wanna call? Yvonne.

02:38:33.320 --> 02:38:36.480
Who do you wanna call? Yvonne Ho.

02:38:39.960 --> 02:38:45.320
It's brutal that it's writing it too. That's so bad actually.

02:38:45.320 --> 02:38:51.840
It's writing it out, prop the Ghostbusters is very funny. The best part is that that interface

02:38:51.880 --> 02:38:55.720
as soon as I deactivate the voice assistant,

02:38:55.720 --> 02:39:00.600
the top context thing goes away. I can't touch it.

02:39:00.600 --> 02:39:06.400
I can't touch it. I'm like, come on. While the voice thing is up, can you touch it?

02:39:06.400 --> 02:39:10.440
No, no, it doesn't work because it's an overlay.

02:39:10.440 --> 02:39:14.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's so annoying.

02:39:14.280 --> 02:39:17.400
Dude, and to be clear, I use that function all the time

02:39:17.400 --> 02:39:22.720
and it does work a lot of the time. It works just often enough that I depend on it.

02:39:22.720 --> 02:39:25.880
And then so when it doesn't work, it's just...

02:39:25.880 --> 02:39:30.200
Another potential W for the old Acura.

02:39:30.200 --> 02:39:33.600
When I wanna call people, I press the phone button on the steering wheel.

02:39:33.600 --> 02:39:38.480
That's me pressing the phone button on the steering wheel. And then I have a dial that just goes through my speed dial.

02:39:38.480 --> 02:39:44.120
I actually... And I am a boring person. So honestly, the top four people in my speed dial

02:39:44.120 --> 02:39:47.120
is pretty much all I need. Give me your phone. Give me your phone.

02:39:47.120 --> 02:39:50.920
Oh, it won't be through there. Am I on your speed dial? Yeah.

02:39:52.200 --> 02:39:55.920
But I mean in my... I'm talking in my car. In your car, okay.

02:39:55.920 --> 02:39:59.720
My goodness. Look, I'm insecure, okay?

02:39:59.720 --> 02:40:02.520
I just wanna know where I stand in this relationship.

02:40:04.640 --> 02:40:11.800
I'm in there. The same spot. I'm number two suggested after the literal GF.

02:40:12.800 --> 02:40:16.760
Nice. Hold on, hold on, let's see. I don't actually...

02:40:16.760 --> 02:40:21.480
Okay, so this is interesting. I use T9.

02:40:21.480 --> 02:40:25.080
So you'll see the way that I... Like when I open my dialer,

02:40:25.080 --> 02:40:32.560
it literally just has me dialing random numbers. So with that in mind, yeah, I only have like my recents.

02:40:32.560 --> 02:40:35.880
I just clicked like... Which is just 50% Yvonne.

02:40:35.880 --> 02:40:39.880
And then like some random other people. You can...

02:40:39.880 --> 02:40:44.000
It's like a hilarious... Yvonne and unknown numbers for the most part.

02:40:44.000 --> 02:40:51.400
Well, those are incoming. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so if I were to do like outgoing only,

02:40:51.400 --> 02:40:56.000
it would be probably about 80% Yvonne. I call almost no one but my wife.

02:40:56.000 --> 02:41:00.040
I don't do like speed dial on my phone. Is there a speed dial thing?

02:41:00.040 --> 02:41:04.400
Yeah, speed dial is still a thing. You can like... Oh yeah, okay, I have a favorite section there.

02:41:04.400 --> 02:41:07.520
Is that better? That might be even better.

02:41:07.520 --> 02:41:12.880
Dang, okay. So it's dad, brother, girlfriend, and Linus.

02:41:12.880 --> 02:41:17.320
And mom. So the one that you're looking at here,

02:41:18.920 --> 02:41:23.320
yeah, this is fine, right? Yeah, the one that you're looking at here,

02:41:23.320 --> 02:41:27.400
I set this up when there were only about

02:41:27.400 --> 02:41:34.720
10 to 12 people in the company. So I set it up with basically you and Yvonne

02:41:35.480 --> 02:41:38.680
and then I think it's just like alphabetical. So I still have a bunch of people

02:41:38.680 --> 02:41:42.280
that don't even work here anymore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That are in like this top contact list.

02:41:42.280 --> 02:41:45.560
Yeah, because things don't like... I forgot there was even a favorites thing on my phone.

02:41:45.560 --> 02:41:50.200
I don't use that. Yeah, speed dial, dude, speed dial is dead. Like it's really easy to use.

02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:53.560
You just go like this and then assign. But I just, I'm never gonna use that

02:41:53.560 --> 02:41:55.680
because I can totally just...

02:41:56.560 --> 02:42:02.120
Okay, I misclicked, but I can... I have you that quickly by just boop, boop, boop, boop, boop,

02:42:02.120 --> 02:42:05.640
because once you have T9 memorized... It's quick.

02:42:05.640 --> 02:42:11.120
It's so fast to call people T9. Dude, iOS 18 adding T9 dialing

02:42:11.120 --> 02:42:15.400
is way too much of the reason that I'm willing to try it.

02:42:15.400 --> 02:42:19.080
I believe you. I can't call people that T9 dialing.

02:42:19.080 --> 02:42:23.200
And the only person I call is my wife, so it's stupid. That's like a phone screening for me

02:42:23.200 --> 02:42:27.120
is an actual required feature. I'm not gonna switch phones if it doesn't have phone screening at this point.

02:42:27.120 --> 02:42:30.560
Yeah. Which just won't happen. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

02:42:32.160 --> 02:42:35.840
Like I don't... I cannot think of a possible feature

02:42:35.840 --> 02:42:40.760
that a phone could have that is gonna override my desire to have phone screening.

02:42:40.760 --> 02:42:45.320
At this point, with how many spam callers there are, I'm using phone screening like every other day.

02:42:45.320 --> 02:42:49.480
Xwar2 asks, do you guys think your social situation may change

02:42:49.480 --> 02:42:52.920
considering the text bubble change in iOS 18?

02:42:52.920 --> 02:42:57.960
On my end, it's prohibitive with my one friend being singled out as the only Android user.

02:42:59.440 --> 02:43:04.560
How do I say this gently? Xwar2, you and the rest of your friends

02:43:04.560 --> 02:43:10.680
are f***ing assholes. Switch to a cross-platform messaging app.

02:43:10.680 --> 02:43:12.680
iMessage is not special.

02:43:16.640 --> 02:43:21.000
You're welcome. Urban Fervers said iPhones have screening, I thought, yeah, so I would consider them.

02:43:21.000 --> 02:43:24.000
I'm just saying this is... I'm not saying there aren't alternatives.

02:43:24.000 --> 02:43:28.600
He's also saying iPhones have T9 dialing now. I'm just saying that is a required thing for me.

02:43:28.600 --> 02:43:32.960
If one of the brand... If Pixel stopped having it, I would no longer use Pixels.

02:43:32.960 --> 02:43:34.000
Just straight up.

02:43:37.240 --> 02:43:41.360
Rubbernick says, how do you know what they are doing Linus?

02:43:41.360 --> 02:43:45.480
The fact that it matters that anyone is on Android or iOS

02:43:45.480 --> 02:43:52.560
tells me what they're doing. That's ridiculous. It's so stupid.

02:43:52.680 --> 02:43:55.760
Speed dial is not T9 recursive.

02:43:58.080 --> 02:44:01.600
The amount of time I've spent arguing about T9 dialing with people who just...

02:44:01.600 --> 02:44:04.720
I think most people have literally no idea what it is. Don't understand what it is

02:44:04.720 --> 02:44:08.160
and don't want to understand what it is. I've explained it so many times.

02:44:08.160 --> 02:44:11.680
And you don't need to, but if you don't understand what it is,

02:44:11.680 --> 02:44:15.560
don't argue about it. That's it. Someone says, what is it?

02:44:16.880 --> 02:44:20.080
Oh, man. Okay, I'm gonna explain it. I'll explain it.

02:44:20.080 --> 02:44:23.440
I'll explain it. I'm gonna explain it again. Okay. You know how on your phone,

02:44:23.440 --> 02:44:26.720
when you open up the dialer screen with the numbers,

02:44:26.720 --> 02:44:30.360
if you start typing someone's number, right?

02:44:30.360 --> 02:44:34.520
It'll start auto completing the rest of the number.

02:44:34.520 --> 02:44:38.240
That made a ton of sense back in the early 2000s

02:44:38.240 --> 02:44:42.720
when people memorized phone numbers, which also no area codes.

02:44:42.720 --> 02:44:46.880
Yeah, yeah. And phone numbers were a lot shorter. Phone numbers were seven digits.

02:44:46.880 --> 02:44:50.560
When I was a boy, we didn't need area code to dial the area code

02:44:50.560 --> 02:44:54.040
unless it was long distance. Anyway.

02:44:55.640 --> 02:45:00.640
Okay, there's another way to start dialing numbers

02:45:01.240 --> 02:45:04.880
where instead of dialing the numbers, okay? So the two area codes here

02:45:04.880 --> 02:45:09.880
are both the two main ones in our area are 778 and 604, okay?

02:45:09.880 --> 02:45:14.000
So if I dial 778 in the modern era,

02:45:14.000 --> 02:45:17.640
that's gonna auto complete, literally half the people in my phone book.

02:45:17.640 --> 02:45:23.200
And if I type 64, so it's not narrowing it down much. I've typed three numbers and it hasn't really done much.

02:45:23.200 --> 02:45:28.360
But if you look closely, and this is a remnant of a very long time ago,

02:45:28.360 --> 02:45:33.680
when it was really great for marketing to have your phone number for your business,

02:45:33.680 --> 02:45:36.800
that you would expect people to maybe memorize, I hope,

02:45:36.800 --> 02:45:40.600
because that's how people would remember phone numbers was by memorizing them.

02:45:40.600 --> 02:45:44.960
If you could have the phone number of your business correspond to a word.

02:45:44.960 --> 02:45:49.880
So say for example, you were a business that did house cleaning,

02:45:49.880 --> 02:45:51.680
then you might want your number to be

02:45:53.280 --> 02:45:59.760
one to clean, you know? Okay, so numbers correspond to letters.

02:45:59.760 --> 02:46:03.000
Two is ABC, three is DEF, four is GHI,

02:46:03.000 --> 02:46:09.320
and so on and so forth. So what you can do is you can dial the numbers

02:46:09.320 --> 02:46:12.520
that correspond to the name of the person

02:46:12.520 --> 02:46:16.360
you're trying to call, and it narrows it down way faster.

02:46:16.360 --> 02:46:22.200
Wake it fast. If I type 5853, that could be Luke,

02:46:23.920 --> 02:46:27.220
it could be Duke,

02:46:27.220 --> 02:46:32.220
it could be Le-ve-je-de,

02:46:32.220 --> 02:46:39.640
it's probably Luke, right? So as soon as you've typed probably three numbers

02:46:40.180 --> 02:46:44.980
at most, four, unless you have an enormous contact list,

02:46:44.980 --> 02:46:48.500
you have probably surfaced the person you're trying to call,

02:46:48.500 --> 02:46:52.420
and on Samsung anyway, you can text with a swipe to the left,

02:46:52.420 --> 02:46:58.660
and you can call with a swipe to the right. So for me, being pretty fast,

02:46:58.660 --> 02:47:02.540
I can call Luke in, okay, well, here,

02:47:02.540 --> 02:47:03.860
I don't know, give me a name.

02:47:05.660 --> 02:47:06.500
Jake.

02:47:08.780 --> 02:47:12.580
That was pretty quick. I saw it come up, I didn't see the whole thing.

02:47:12.580 --> 02:47:17.780
My phone's slow, which slowed me down, but like. I said the, he typed three numbers

02:47:17.780 --> 02:47:21.500
and then a list of people came up and I couldn't see it very clearly,

02:47:21.500 --> 02:47:27.060
but I saw Jake's profile photo, I recognize his profile. So probably in about half a second, I can call someone.

02:47:27.060 --> 02:47:31.020
It completely negates any need for me to have any kind of favorites

02:47:31.020 --> 02:47:35.940
or ever dig around in my address book. And that's the reason that it's faster,

02:47:35.940 --> 02:47:40.940
is because for whatever reason, when you go to contacts,

02:47:41.340 --> 02:47:44.420
you then have to click search,

02:47:44.420 --> 02:47:49.820
you then have to start typing. It's so many more interactions with the device

02:47:49.820 --> 02:47:52.860
when what you should be doing is just dialing

02:47:52.860 --> 02:47:57.500
the numbers according to the letters and it goes through your entire address book,

02:47:57.500 --> 02:48:00.500
which when your address book is as big as mine,

02:48:02.100 --> 02:48:05.580
can be a challenge. And admittedly, it's not as big as it used to be.

02:48:05.580 --> 02:48:10.300
Like back when I was handling all of like our brand relations

02:48:10.300 --> 02:48:13.420
on the sponsor side and product procurement

02:48:13.420 --> 02:48:17.820
and also the team and, and, and, and, and.

02:48:17.820 --> 02:48:21.100
You know, the random people that I might call

02:48:22.100 --> 02:48:26.020
the list was a lot longer. Like these days, yeah, I mostly just call my wife,

02:48:26.020 --> 02:48:30.660
but I'm definitely used to it. I'm definitely used to just, you know, doing that.

02:48:30.660 --> 02:48:34.620
And you can put businesses in there too. Like if I want to call my vet, I'll just type,

02:48:35.700 --> 02:48:39.620
here, hold on, I have to close the stupid address book that I opened like a caveman.

02:48:39.620 --> 02:48:43.060
So I just type 838 and boom, my vets there,

02:48:43.060 --> 02:48:46.540
assuming that I actually put my vet in my, in my address book,

02:48:46.540 --> 02:48:49.660
which I, oh, you know what, I probably, I probably did,

02:48:49.820 --> 02:48:53.380
but it's probably under a Fraser Heights Animal Hospital.

02:48:53.380 --> 02:48:57.860
There you go. So three, seven, two, seven. I don't actually, I couldn't tell you.

02:48:57.860 --> 02:49:00.340
Like if you ask me right now, like.

02:49:02.140 --> 02:49:06.500
What is the number code for calling Dan?

02:49:07.380 --> 02:49:11.660
Dan, three, two, six.

02:49:11.660 --> 02:49:15.260
I'm gonna say six. Nice, nice.

02:49:15.260 --> 02:49:18.620
But there was like some computation there. But yeah, I don't, I don't have to think about it

02:49:18.620 --> 02:49:21.660
if I'm dialing. It's one of those things where it's just like,

02:49:21.660 --> 02:49:25.060
if you, if it works for you, great.

02:49:25.060 --> 02:49:28.100
And if you don't want to memorize all of that bullshit,

02:49:28.100 --> 02:49:32.580
just don't, and don't care. And just not be bothered by the fact

02:49:32.580 --> 02:49:37.940
that T9 dialing is there for everybody else. Because it doesn't affect

02:49:37.940 --> 02:49:42.060
anyone other than the people who use it. It's totally fine.

02:49:43.540 --> 02:49:46.940
Jeron de Vries says, I learned about T9 dialing from you.

02:49:46.940 --> 02:49:52.880
Changed my life, best tech tip ever. Yeah, it's just, it just, it drives me bananas.

02:49:54.580 --> 02:50:01.180
When I'll explain it like this, and then people will look back at me like a thupid.

02:50:01.660 --> 02:50:05.340
It's like, no, it's not stupid. It just doesn't matter. It's not for you.

02:50:05.340 --> 02:50:09.220
And that's fine, but it isn't stupid. Yeah, I don't use it.

02:50:09.220 --> 02:50:12.540
I think it's cool. I think if you're a person who's like invested in it,

02:50:12.540 --> 02:50:16.620
it's pretty sweet. There are definitely use cases

02:50:16.620 --> 02:50:23.060
where I think it would be kind of nice, but looking at my phone and the people that I call,

02:50:25.060 --> 02:50:28.100
I don't call that many people. The favorites tab is fine.

02:50:28.100 --> 02:50:32.340
And honestly, I don't even use that. I can pretty much just operate out of recent.

02:50:32.340 --> 02:50:37.500
Oh, dude. Especially in my car, when I can't rely on my voice dialing,

02:50:37.500 --> 02:50:42.620
recent is like a godsend. Because I'm usually trying to call Yvonne anyway.

02:50:42.620 --> 02:50:46.420
In my car, the top contact is Emma.

02:50:46.700 --> 02:50:51.340
To call her in my car is probably half a second,

02:50:51.340 --> 02:50:56.900
because I'll move both hands simultaneously. I'll press the phone button on the steering wheel

02:50:56.900 --> 02:51:00.220
and then just enter on the middle of the dial thing,

02:51:00.220 --> 02:51:03.740
because she's the first one. And when you press phone, it goes directly to the favorite.

02:51:03.740 --> 02:51:07.460
So it's just like, rip, calling. Nice. Amazing.

02:51:07.460 --> 02:51:11.900
And then if it's basically you or any one of my family, it's just like one or two dial clicks

02:51:11.900 --> 02:51:16.380
and then enter and it's right there. It's like, okay, cool. Swee Kaku asks, silly question,

02:51:16.380 --> 02:51:19.380
is Terran eligible for the $5,000 tech upgrade series?

02:51:19.380 --> 02:51:22.860
I don't think execs are eligible, at least not anymore.

02:51:22.860 --> 02:51:28.420
We did Colton though, and we did Yvonne. Come to think of it, are execs eligible?

02:51:28.420 --> 02:51:30.220
I think some have opted out.

02:51:32.020 --> 02:51:39.980
I'm not 100% sure. I don't know how it works. All I know is that the Floatplane peeps are.

02:51:40.340 --> 02:51:41.980
Eli just says they're eligible.

02:51:45.460 --> 02:51:49.860
If I ever get pulled, I'm taping Elijah to a pole,

02:51:49.860 --> 02:51:52.980
so he can't do anything in my house.

02:51:52.980 --> 02:51:56.940
I wouldn't blame you. We could actually just have like an Elijah cam.

02:51:56.940 --> 02:52:00.660
Yeah, sure. And that would just be in the corner of the entire video.

02:52:00.660 --> 02:52:04.380
So it would show what Elijah was doing, taped to the pole while you and I were working on it.

02:52:04.380 --> 02:52:07.500
We could have his arms not taped down and we could give him like little puzzles

02:52:07.500 --> 02:52:11.140
or something to play with. Yeah, like little finger puppets.

02:52:11.140 --> 02:52:14.220
Sure. And then we can make sure there's a monitor

02:52:14.220 --> 02:52:19.540
nearby with like subway surfers, so he can just have like distraction

02:52:19.540 --> 02:52:23.460
so he doesn't just like start tweaking out. Yeah, having withdrawals.

02:52:23.460 --> 02:52:26.980
Yeah, that's good. Elijah, we got you.

02:52:26.980 --> 02:52:30.220
We're thinking of you. We'll make sure it's comfortable.

02:52:31.260 --> 02:52:35.340
Okay, what else are we supposed to be talking about? Okay, yes, subway surfers.

02:52:35.340 --> 02:52:37.140
Oh God. He's in now.

02:52:38.420 --> 02:52:42.980
There are two more topics left. Long form videos in the shorts feed,

02:52:43.020 --> 02:52:48.820
somebody on the subreddit posted a screenshot of a long form YouTube video being displayed as a short.

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According to Google's support page, they are conducting a few experiments

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with the watch page to increase discoverability across channels, formats and lengths of YouTube,

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which could include a mix of video formats,

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including long form videos where you'd normally see shorts.

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Kind of weird. I get the motivation. I get it too. There's no money in shorts, not for creators,

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not for YouTube. It's very small. Like we did that.

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We had that short a couple of weeks ago that did like eight or nine million views

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on that little underwater scooter-majig thing.

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And compared to a long form video

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that did that kind of viewership, to be clear, it's really hard to get that kind of viewership

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on a long form video by comparison, but compared to a long form video

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that did those kinds of numbers,

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it's like a fraction. I think the monetization rate is like a 20th

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or a 30th or a 40th or something like that. Like it's some tiny, tiny amount by comparison.

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And so... Sorry, I thought you were done. So I can see them wanting to convert shorts viewers

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to a longer video watching session. I don't know that having letterboxing and pillar boxing

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or whatever, or like gigantic letterboxing,

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I guess, is how it shows up. I don't know that that's the solution, but...

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That's my biggest pushback, to be honest, is the format is weird.

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I can see why they want to do it, and I can see why creators would be interested in it as well,

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because short form content is very much seen

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as a funnel somewhere else, whether it's to your courses that you offer,

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to your merch, to your long form videos. Almost nobody sees it as,

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or like something that gets a lot of eyeballs so you can sell sponsorships or product placements.

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Like almost nobody is treating shorts like the end.

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It's a means. Yeah, Elijah pointed out short to long conversion

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is so bad though, less than 1%. So that's true. And I don't think that's at all surprising

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if you look at how the mechanism of shorts works. But this could help increase it, I think, is the idea.

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Yes, there are also, if you look into it, some really interesting strategies being employed

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by creators to improve their short to long conversion.

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And I promise you there are certain creators

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that have way higher conversion rates than that. I also think there's other forms of conversion rate.

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Like one of the most interesting short strategies that I've seen is a creator who,

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they didn't take a slice out of their video. It's a genuinely unique piece of content,

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but it's related to an upcoming video

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and it's really interesting and it makes you wanna know more. And then that video comes out.

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So they use it as a trailer almost? Hours later or a day later.

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So yeah, it's basically a trailer. And you won't see any conversion on that effectively

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because there's nothing for them to go to watch. But it might give you a stronger click-through rate

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on that first notification because these viewers are primed to be interested in this piece of content.

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Got it. And then they see that content follow through. Really interesting idea.

02:55:58.980 --> 02:56:03.140
There's a bunch of interesting angles

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that creators are taking, but. Nokia asks, didn't you guys get sponsored by Nexigo

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to make shorts answering people's tech questions? How's that sponsorship revenue

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compared to full video sponsorship?

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I don't know how much they paid, but I would assume that it is less than

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like full length videos like VODs and more than if we just uploaded shorts

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without any sponsorship.

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We uploaded a short, yesterday I think.

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Oh no, today. We uploaded a short today. That's actually doing pretty good.

02:56:37.460 --> 02:56:42.460
It's reacting to the cardboard laptop.

02:56:43.220 --> 02:56:45.460
Oh yeah. Yeah, Evan and Caitlin made.

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Met the Matpats retirement party. I almost said funeral.

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He's alive. As far as I know.

02:56:55.060 --> 02:56:59.300
Oh my goodness. Yeah. You just ominously add that at the end of all.

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It's my best for now. For now.

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Another 80 years maybe. Oh my goodness.

02:57:10.620 --> 02:57:13.420
Yeah, that's cool though. That's good. Yeah, good job team.

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Is Uber engaging in pay discrimination?

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Non-profit news organization, More Perfect Union,

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recently conducted an experiment where they brought together several Uber and Lyft drivers

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and had them log into a shift and placed their phones next to each other on a table.

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They found that the drivers were consistently offered different pay for the same jobs

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with Lyft's price swings being the most drastic.

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Sometimes this variation was only a few cents difference, but it could also vary by as much as $3.

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Due to the black box nature of Uber's algorithm, it is unclear why any given driver

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was offered different pay. According to an Uber blog post,

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upfront pay may be affected by GPS location, estimated rival time promotional offers,

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and surge heat maps that refresh every few seconds.

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However, these should have been largely accounted for by having all of the drivers in the same place

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at the same time. However, this pay may also vary depending on tests

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that are being run by Uber. Our discussion question is, is this pay discrimination

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and what is the likelihood that Uber can or is using this system to minimize driver pay?

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That second part, 100%. As for whether it's paid discrimination,

02:58:27.860 --> 02:58:32.060
that's harder to say because they would have to prove that they're discriminating based on some kind of

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protected attribute of the drivers. Also, are these drivers all the same rating?

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Is rating allowed to play into their income?

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Does it play into their income? Is it just a way to get kicked out of the program basically?

02:58:45.740 --> 02:58:50.100
There's a lot of questions to ask here.

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I just thought it was interesting. It's interesting that there's variants. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that if they're gonna play around

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with the rate that you pay, they're also gonna play around with the rates that they pay.

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Totally. And I would absolutely see them using this

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to minimize the amount that they pay while maximizing the amount that they extract.

02:59:05.660 --> 02:59:10.380
I mean, that's literally the name of the game. That's how business works, yeah.

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Hey, Floatplane updates, speaking of business. Yeah.

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Have you ever wondered why the WAN Show is late all the time? To answer that, oh my God, this is a monthly series?

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Apparently. To answer that question. People like the first one.

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We have a monthly series called Why Is WAN Late?

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That just launched yesterday and is apparently already beloved.

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So Sammy has been going around in the lead up to WAN Show

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and talking to people about what's going on

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in the lead up to WAN Show, especially when we are late.

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And there's some pretty good behind the scenes. You can kind of see what it's like on a Friday around here.

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This is pretty old. This is from, I mean, yeah, obviously when you were at...

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Defconn. Yeah, Defconn, yeah.

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And you're getting a fair bit of gray in the beard. Oh yeah. Dang.

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Yeah, not the hair so much, the beard for sure. Well, you have a really favorable hair color to hide it.

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Yeah. Like my gray has been coming in for a while,

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but because I have a little bit of like blonde highlighting,

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it's been hard to tell.

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It's pretty obvious now though. I don't care.

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I thought I was gonna be bald. Yeah, me too. I'll take it.

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Dude, I'm so stoked to have gray hair. Like you're apparently supposed to look to the men

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on your mother's side. Yeah, I didn't know that. Dude, my grandpa went bald in high school.

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Oh, my grandpa had hair the whole time. Okay, then yeah. So yeah, I didn't know that though.

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So I just look at my dad and be like, oh, like I had written off having hair.

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I assumed by the time I was like 25, I'd be gone.

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And I didn't care about that. Which to be clear, yeah, it's fine.

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Yeah, I was like, whatever, I guess that'll happen. I guess I could pick it.

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Seriously though, there's so many bald dudes. I don't know, who cares?

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And then when I figured out like that isn't happening,

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it was like fairly neutral, I guess, because I had accepted it so much

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that I was just like, whatever. And now it's like, oh, I guess I'll have it,

03:01:17.800 --> 03:01:22.320
but it'll be gray. That's fine. I don't know, I just, I don't care.

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Yeah, out of some people. So people get really like self-conscious about it.

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Really, really, really, really into it. Like I was quite taken aback when I was on Ludwig's stream

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and he goes, hairline check, hairline check.

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And I'm like, like he does that with his, he does that with his stream like very regularly.

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And then he's like, oh, you're doing pretty good

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for 37, are you on the, are you on the finasteride?

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And I'm like, sorry, what is that? What even is that? I only know what it is because we had this conversation.

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It's like a hair thinning drug.

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I thought mine was worse.

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Well, it's mostly here. Am I doing it bad? It's mostly here that it's gonna recede more.

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So yeah, you could see, I'm definitely receding, but.

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I don't know, it's just, I think like I respected

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my dad the whole time I was growing up. My dad was bald the whole time I was growing up.

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So I just, I never cared at all. Yeah.

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Apparently that drug can be dangerous. So I'm not endorsing it anyway.

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Yeah, I wasn't an endorsement. Yeah, like I don't even know if it's legal in Canada.

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There's all kinds of drugs in the States that like are not a thing up here.

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Yeah, supplements too. Anyway, it follows both Linus and Luke after 4.30 p.m.

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and we're even tracking who's the latest. So go check it out.

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We're also bringing back another special week on Floatplane Riley Week.

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Riley Week will go live with a few specials centered around Riley. That's gotta be fun.

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We'll talk more about it next week and maybe even show a little teaser of what's to come. So make sure you guys are subscribed to Floatplane.

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And now it's time for When After Dark. Yeah. Dan, you wanna change the color scheme?

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He's got this. I believe in Dan.

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Nice. Nice. When After Dark. Nice.

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Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice.

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Nice. Nice.

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It'll be nice. It's a merch message. Yeah, hit me.

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Should we go back to the way we started the show and be all gentle and soft?

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Nope. Hi Linus, Luke and Dan. Hi, Luke and Dan.

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Hi, Luke and Dan. Well, last weekend and in the confusion, the movers stole my PC.

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Have you had any PCs stolen? How do you prevent theft in such cases?

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I had a pocket PC stolen. It's kind of my fault.

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I left it behind in a nice rink. Oh.

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And then when I went back, it wasn't there anymore and that, them's the breaks.

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And that was pre like pins.

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Like literally if the battery died on that device, it completely factually reset.

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Like it was just, yeah, that was a real thing, by the way, that was terrible.

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Yep. Yep. I don't think I've ever had a...

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I don't think I've ever... Oh, okay.

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I think this isn't what you mean, but like we've had equipment stolen,

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but not like my computer. Yeah.

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I've been very lucky. Yeah, I have never had one stolen.

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I do take measures.

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You know, general house security is one. That's not going to help you when movers take it.

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So I have no real tips for stopping the movers

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from taking it. That's a rough one. When I'm traveling with like laptops and stuff,

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even if I'm not tired, if I'm just like sitting down in an airport,

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I never like, I don't like just put my bag

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on the seat next to me, because there's a chance I'll look this way

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and it will be to my back and someone might just take it and walk away and someone might not notice.

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I'll like tie it to myself or wear it or something

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or like, it can even be pretty simple. Like I'll put the bag down.

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I'll kind of like hook my foot through the shoulder strap while I'm sitting down.

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Like it's not even a noticeable movement really. And just make it so that if you were going to pick up the bag,

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you'd be picking up my whole leg and then just like, whatever, and I'll just keep it that way.

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I might've had a beater laptop taken from the back of my Civic once when it was broken in two.

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But I remember at the time, not even being sure if it was in there.

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Like it really didn't matter. Yeah.

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So maybe. My, the first laptop I ever bought still works.

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This would be in- Oh, that ASUS thing? But pre that.

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Oh, really? Yeah, that ASUS thing also still works. Yeah, I think you like gave it to someone,

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the like brown one, right? Yeah, bamboo.

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Yeah, yeah. Sweet, steal a bag, get a free Luke.

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Yeah, basically.

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That's one way to look at it. Hey, Dale, I recently installed a smart panel

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and apparently my network closet and office are pulling 1,200 Watts total constantly.

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Any tips for how I can bring down my $600 monthly electric bill?

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For the network closet, there's not much you're going to be able to do other than buy new stuff.

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And it, I mean, a fence at $600 a month?

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Oh man, power must be way more expensive where you are. They're saying home office and stuff too, right?

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They just, they added monitoring. They didn't say home office. They said my network closet and office.

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Office, home office. Well, you guys are assuming that it's home.

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Yeah, otherwise you wouldn't care about the electricity bill. You might, if you pay utilities and you're-

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It's true. I don't know. I think we forget that our electricity is cheap here.

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Yeah, no, I think the electricity there is just really expensive.

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So reducing what your electronics are doing

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or what your things drawing power are doing, the only way you can really do stuff

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is like get more efficient to like power supplies or something like that. 1,200 Watts constantly.

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That's a lot. Is a lot. Yeah, 2,240 would improve efficiency a little bit,

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but we're talking like, you know, three to 5% maybe.

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It's a little bigger percentages, yeah. Yeah, so maybe you're saving like, you know,

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20 bucks a month and whatever that upgrade is costing you, it's going to take a minute to-

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I'm really wondering like, what is the constantly? What is running constantly that's taking that much power?

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Because there might be some things that you can do

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where you can run like scheduled systems to shut things down or something.

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Cause that's a lot to pull constantly.

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Are you running AC overnight? Oh yeah, like AC could be a big part of it.

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Tim says, I'm in Massachusetts, I have a home lab, I spend $1,000 a month in electricity.

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Yeah, we're really lucky that our power comes from falling water here.

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Yeah, you gotta, other than buying new stuff

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that is more modern or doing less with it,

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shutting it down when you're not using it, putting it on a schedule.

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I don't know what to tell you, cause utility power costs, utility power costs.

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I mean, you could put up solar panels, that's an option.

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I mean, you're spending a lot in order to make these upgrades,

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but like, it's also costing you a lot to not make them.

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So it almost seems like you'd have to.

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I feel like it's gotta be, because he said constantly,

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my interpretation of that is like, even at four in the morning when no one's there.

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So my assumption is that certain things just need to be shut down, whether that's AC

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or something else. Maybe the computer. 1200 watts, like that doesn't even account

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for having AC running. That's not enough, is it? Yeah. It's gotta be, he's leaving the computer on constantly.

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Shut her down, put her to sleep. Hibernate it. Yeah.

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Do something. I feel like something can change.

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Up next, Linus, the closet gamer. You have said in the past that you didn't agree

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with some of the decisions that LMG made. What were they who made those decisions then?

03:09:08.740 --> 03:09:12.700
Oh man, there's all kinds of decisions that I don't necessarily agree with.

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It's a big company now. I could probably just search my email. I mean, even in the earlier days,

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I'm just gonna search my email for the phrase, I don't agree.

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Oh my God, there's so many. Hold on.

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Well, I'd kind of hope so at this point, to be honest. We've been around for so long if he didn't disagree that many times.

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Like, he's like too agreeable at that point.

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Okay, I search for... Which we know is not a problem.

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Mm. Mm.

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Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm.

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Mm. Okay.

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G-dub, sometimes I don't agree with myself. I like that.

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That's good.

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My position can change on things? Yeah. No.

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Exactly. That's reasonable. Oh.

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Yeah, I, okay, I'm trying to...

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Don't foresee the results, no. I mean, hmm.

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I, man, what could I...

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Oh, I'm gonna search for try anything twice.

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Cause that's a line I often use when people suggest something to me.

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And...

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Okay. This is regarding the compilation of Scrapyard Wars.

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My response is just try anything twice. I support it. I do.

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And I said, I'd, no, okay, I didn't.

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This I didn't really have an opinion on. Man, I guess a lot of this would take place via chat.

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Luke, can you think of something we did that I was like, I don't agree, but let's try it anyway?

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Like I feel like there's definitely been... I promise you this has happened a bunch of times.

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I can't really think of a particular example.

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Like there's definitely concepts for videos

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that I've been like, I don't agree.

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Yeah. But we can try it and see how it goes or like titling a video where I'm like, okay.

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Yeah, go ahead and try it.

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I don't think that's the best approach.

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I can't find anything right now though. I can't think of a particular one off the top of my head,

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but I know there was videos back in the day that we'd go back and forth on and you'd let me try stuff

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and sometimes it would work and you were wrong and sometimes it wouldn't work at all and you were right.

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And it's just like, I don't know how it would go.

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Okay.

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All right, well, I don't know. Do you want to do another one? And I'll keep trying to find something in the meantime.

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Sure. Do you have any for me, Dad? Yeah, I know that there's one or two in here.

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Let's see if I can find it.

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Hey, LLD, Luke, what's your favorite lean-back game

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to relax with these days? Oh, I thought of something. Oh, okay, never mind, Luke.

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Shut up. We're doing a fairly costly customer survey.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't agree.

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I told the senior management team that I don't think

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it's the best possible use of money. I think that a lot of the things we're looking to learn

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from it are things that if the product team at Creator Warehouse wants to know,

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I could probably get them 70 to 80% of the way there

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by just chatting with them for 30 to 60 minutes.

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A lot of the questions we're asking,

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I understand why they want to do it in this way

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by hiring a survey company that specializes in the composition

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of the questions and the sampling and whatever else,

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and it has these connections.

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I think that the polling and survey industry

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is inherently flawed because truly neutral sampling

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is the best way to do it.

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Because truly neutral sampling is literally impossible,

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especially in the modern age, and you see that with highly publicized survey results

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like US election predictions, US election polls.

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So we're doing it. We're spending what I consider to be a not very

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amount of money that I'd like to spend on it,

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but I greenlit it because this was something that

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the team other than me and Yvonne and some other people

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is aligned on and my whole thing is like, okay,

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well then here's my expectations in terms of measuring a return on this.

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And I hope you know what you're doing.

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Tyback says this is a mistake. You're airing dirty laundry.

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It's not dirty laundry. It's okay to disagree.

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I've said that a bunch of times on the show. Show is Linus.

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I've said a billion times on the show that this company makes decisions

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that I don't agree with all the time. And that's okay.

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And that's okay. You're never going to be in an organization

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where you agree with literally every single action the company ever takes.

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And I've provided my rationale, but let's make sure I provide their rationale as well.

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Their rationale is that if we sample our existing customers,

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it doesn't tell us much about the broader customer base

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that's out there. If we just go based on gut feeling,

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or what we've anecdotally observed over the years,

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sure, yeah, that might get us 70% or 80% of the way there,

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but if this gets us a few more percent,

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that might at the very least help guide product development

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in a more scientific, a more rigorous way.

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Part of the justification is that that's just what these things cost.

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So if we want to dip our toes into data collection in this manner,

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this is just kind of what it costs to have a credible company do it,

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and then we can decide after trying it once

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if that's something that we want to do again. So there are absolutely, absolutely counterarguments,

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and at the end of the day, I said, I don't agree.

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And here's a check.

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Bold. Well, you got to try stuff, right?

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I mean, if I just wanted to... If all we ever did was my perspective,

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then that could potentially limit our capacity

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for new ideas and growth, right?

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There is this whole problem with founders,

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where in some cases to like grow past a certain point,

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you either need to like cycle them out or certain job functions can't be done by them anymore

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because they'll have a certain scope of thinking that doesn't necessarily continue to work.

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And to be clear, there's certain times when I would absolutely stick to my guns.

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Yeah. But when it's a difference of opinion,

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you have to leave openings.

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Yeah.

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Okay, sorry. What was the question for Luke? I want to hear now.

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What's your favorite lean back game to relax with these days?

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Oh.

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I don't do that as much these days.

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Not playing games. You assume Luke leans back.

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Yeah. Time has been expensive for me lately.

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Genuinely lean back is a tough one

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because usually I'm more like,

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I'll go play Pokemon Go because it gets me outside.

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I'm walking. I try to stay in constant movement when I'm playing Pokemon Go as much as possible.

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Literally the opposite? Yeah, it's not a lean back, but it is relaxing.

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I'm changing the words, which is not fair.

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I think that makes sense. Yeah. So I want to include the answer

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because it's sort of in line, but it's also completely not.

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So a general lean back game, I haven't played it in forever,

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but either Civ, civilization,

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or FTL is not a lean back game. I sweat when I play the game.

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I always make it like hardest possible. Oh, LZF stresses. Hell, go crazy.

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I've beat all the challenges in the game on all the anyways.

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That's impressive, actually. I am a FTL sweat.

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It's one of my favorite games ever. Very sweat.

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But yeah, so Civ or Assassin's Creed.

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Right now it's, you can tell I played all the time

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because I don't remember the name. Odyssey?

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Odyssey? Odyssey? Let me look it up.

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Did you ever mess with Fortress?

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Sort of. Give me a sec, though. Yes, Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

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I've been playing this game for, it looks like six years.

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I play it, you know, every once, like every three to six months,

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I'll go jump in and do a few missions and then leave again.

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The setting is beautiful.

03:18:55.300 --> 03:18:58.300
Assassin's Creed Odyssey is a beautiful game. Great sound.

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You have a really cool partner buddy

03:19:01.300 --> 03:19:05.300
and like this pet eagle that you have. The environment in the setting is just,

03:19:05.300 --> 03:19:10.300
is absolutely fantastic. So it's a very fun game to go just chill in.

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Yeah, I don't know. That's it, though.

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Okay, let's see. What else do we have?

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Hey, Leak, Lime and Dewdrop. Nice.

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Linus, when are we getting more house build updates?

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Oh, very soon. I actually reviewed a video today

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that is fixing the,

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we think we hope, fixing the corrosion issue with the water loops

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and adding leak sensing.

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Leak sensing is good. Yeah.

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You have flow issues with that? You have a crazy pump, so maybe it doesn't matter.

03:19:53.300 --> 03:19:58.300
We were having some flow issues, but that was due to the like particle filter

03:19:58.300 --> 03:20:02.300
that we had in line. We got a better particle filter and it seems to be flowing a lot better now.

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So cool. Yes, but no.

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Linus, are you still grateful of having this job?

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Years ago, you kept mentioning that you have the world's best job,

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but you don't really bring this up lately being frustrated by the community instead.

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It's a good question. Heavy.

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It's a good question though. Well-framed too.

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I am grateful. I have definitely found a more,

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I have definitely found a less positive side of it,

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particularly over the last year or so.

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And I don't think it's new. I just think that for a long time,

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the supportive voices largely overwhelmed

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to the point of completely drowning out

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the less supportive voices. Animosity and negativity in the tech space

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has like massively spiked. That sucks a lot.

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Out of curiosity, because other than Sony's own video,

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we have the highest viewed video on the PlayStation 5 Pro.

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Like it's not even close. So out of curiosity, I went over to r slash ps5,

03:21:14.300 --> 03:21:20.300
like Reddit f***ing hates me. That's not subjective.

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That's just a fact. Largely speaking, the Reddit community,

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whether it's dismissive or outright hostile,

03:21:31.300 --> 03:21:35.300
in general, the Redditor community just kind of hates me.

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And so I went over. I was curious, do we even merit a post,

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let alone getting any upvotes over there?

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And not only did our PS5 Pro video,

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which multiple people elsewhere,

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like off of Reddit, pointed out how balanced it was.

03:21:54.300 --> 03:21:58.300
Like we did point out the things that Sony did

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that were making it very difficult for people.

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The extremely high price for a console is a tough pill to swallow in this economy.

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You know, like it's not great,

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but we also talked through and explained

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why it costs what it costs. So not only did we not merit a post,

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even though people are clearly watching it. People are watching it.

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But our last couple of PlayStation products,

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so I believe it was the Portal and the PSVR,

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had a bunch of discussion about them

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when the videos were posted. Zero upvotes.

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Not because there was any particular argument

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against anything we said, but just because outside of,

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outside of and even within the LTT community,

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there is an amount of animosity

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that I am having a hard time really coming to grips with.

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It's been interesting... Which I think is fair.

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It's been interesting watching the discourse change

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around something like the framework investment. When we did it, it was with full transparency

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and with the informed consent of the community,

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you know, understanding what this was,

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what it meant, what would and wouldn't change.

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Sorry, are you talking about the framework investment?

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Yeah. So not only the full consent, the excited involvement.

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And over time,

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that has morphed from enthusiastic support.

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And I don't mean for everyone, a lot of people are still like very much,

03:23:45.300 --> 03:23:51.300
like rah-rah-rah framework, in fact, too much. I mean, Austin posted that not completely positive video,

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and people piled on him for it. It's just another edge of the sword of too much animosity.

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There's too much fighting. So a lot of people are still very supportive,

03:24:00.300 --> 03:24:04.300
but there's another sort of portion of the tech community

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that just looks at it and goes, okay, well, Linus is compromised now

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because he's got this framework investment.

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But what I don't see is I don't see anybody

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actually providing any concrete evidence to suggest

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that the framework investment has affected my coverage

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of any mobile device.

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Show me. Show me where I said something

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that was unfairly flattering a framework

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or unfairly critical of a competitor to framework.

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Show me. If anything, I treat them like the coach's son.

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Yeah. I reviewed a script with... I got that vibe a couple times.

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I reviewed a script with Elijah today. We had someone come to us with a complaint

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about their customer service experience with framework. So it took us a little while, but we secret shopped them.

03:25:02.300 --> 03:25:10.300
And I was not involved. Elijah, Alex, some unnamed people who are staying anonymous

03:25:10.300 --> 03:25:14.300
because they're not staff. And if we can use their credit cards for mystery shopping,

03:25:14.300 --> 03:25:19.300
then, hey, why don't we just not disclose their names and then we could use them again?

03:25:19.300 --> 03:25:23.300
So a team of people put together a secret shop for framework.

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And as I was going through, I went out of my way to,

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if anything, I still did act in my role as editor.

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But when I made a change to the script, I made 100% certain that everything I did

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toned down the positivity as opposed to toned it up.

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Or I explicitly checked with Elijah and I said,

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does this still convey your thoughts about it?

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I don't know.

03:25:54.300 --> 03:25:57.300
It's been a really difficult thing.

03:25:57.300 --> 03:26:00.300
We're deep enough in Wancho at this point

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that maybe I'll just say this, but sometimes I make edits to the script

03:26:07.300 --> 03:26:10.300
as we're going through and we're working together on tweaks to it

03:26:10.300 --> 03:26:14.300
that are just meant to be a joke. They're just meant to get a laugh out of the writer

03:26:14.300 --> 03:26:17.300
who's sitting next to me, like watching me change stuff.

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And I put in a bit about how realistically

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the value of framework's investment for me is less than...

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I could probably name half a dozen laptop brands

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that have paid me more over the course of my career

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than the value of my investment framework.

03:26:40.300 --> 03:26:46.300
That was a funny point. It was kind of poking fun at this idea

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that somehow it was going to affect

03:26:54.300 --> 03:26:58.300
my day-to-day operation of the company

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other than to be extra, extra, extra careful about it.

03:27:03.300 --> 03:27:10.300
I mean, you know this. Every single time the idea of framework has been brought up

03:27:10.300 --> 03:27:14.300
when it comes to internal use. What do I say every single time?

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If anything, you point out that they're expensive and you push against it.

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If anything. And outside of that, you usually, like,

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I don't want to be involved with the conversation. Because we were looking into getting frameworks

03:27:26.300 --> 03:27:29.300
for internal laptops because of, you know,

03:27:29.300 --> 03:27:35.300
their repairability and other stuff going on, but honestly, they're really expensive.

03:27:35.300 --> 03:27:38.300
They're really expensive? They don't have touchscreens?

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That's tough, yeah. There's a lot of people at the company

03:27:41.300 --> 03:27:48.300
that are pretty ride or die for touchscreens. And again, they're really expensive.

03:27:48.300 --> 03:27:52.300
So, I don't know. Hopefully they can figure that out. That cyborg relay says,

03:27:52.300 --> 03:27:57.300
I've seen someone say you accidentally auctioned an engineering sample or whatever controversy it was

03:27:57.300 --> 03:28:00.300
to attack that brand because they were a framework competitor,

03:28:00.300 --> 03:28:06.300
truly unhinged. And the thing is that, like, it was very...

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It was enlightening, but also disheartening.

03:28:11.300 --> 03:28:15.300
Rossman's video supporting our De-Google Your Life series.

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Because the portion of the tech community that...

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I don't understand it.

03:28:32.300 --> 03:28:37.300
If you wade into that mess,

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it's...

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I don't know. Maybe if you have, like, a background in psychoanalysis,

03:28:46.300 --> 03:28:50.300
you can let me know what you think the kind of rationale behind it is.

03:28:50.300 --> 03:28:53.300
But it's... It's pretty intense. It's tough.

03:28:53.300 --> 03:28:56.300
And I still have a great job,

03:28:56.300 --> 03:28:59.300
and I still am extremely grateful,

03:28:59.300 --> 03:29:04.300
especially for the years where things were largely...

03:29:04.300 --> 03:29:08.300
Not largely. They're still largely supportive and positive.

03:29:08.300 --> 03:29:13.300
It's actually been... It's been really encouraging seeing viewership tick back up.

03:29:13.300 --> 03:29:18.300
We're... I think we cracked, like, 80 million views on LTT.

03:29:18.300 --> 03:29:21.300
We've been actually executing really well on content.

03:29:21.300 --> 03:29:25.300
Overall, audience sentiment has been really good.

03:29:25.300 --> 03:29:29.300
But the...

03:29:29.300 --> 03:29:34.300
I do miss the days when it was almost universally supportive.

03:29:34.300 --> 03:29:37.300
And that doesn't mean that I just expect adulation

03:29:37.300 --> 03:29:43.300
for everything I do. I have always solicited constructive criticism.

03:29:43.300 --> 03:29:46.300
We had a rule on the forum when we first started it

03:29:46.300 --> 03:29:49.300
that you couldn't attack, you know, other creators in the space,

03:29:49.300 --> 03:29:52.300
each other, other people... Moderators.

03:29:52.300 --> 03:29:56.300
Moderators, basically anyone, but you could go after Linus and myself,

03:29:56.300 --> 03:29:59.300
and it was genuinely fine for a long time. Most people would do it,

03:29:59.300 --> 03:30:02.300
but it was not a huge population of people,

03:30:02.300 --> 03:30:06.300
and usually the people would just kind of deal with it

03:30:06.300 --> 03:30:09.300
and move on, and it was fine.

03:30:09.300 --> 03:30:13.300
It was genuinely fine for, like, many years.

03:30:13.300 --> 03:30:17.300
And now it's just... I think there's a little bit of shooting the messenger.

03:30:17.300 --> 03:30:19.300
Like, people...

03:30:22.300 --> 03:30:27.300
There's some people that are still extremely angry about, like, ad block is piracy thing.

03:30:27.300 --> 03:30:32.300
Like, really angry. Which I genuinely, at no point in time,

03:30:32.300 --> 03:30:36.300
have ever understood, because everyone's, like, happily posting memes

03:30:36.300 --> 03:30:41.300
about pulling the pirate hat back out again and stuff, but then pointing out that that is also that.

03:30:41.300 --> 03:30:44.300
Who cares? If you don't care. If deeply insults them, it's like,

03:30:44.300 --> 03:30:49.300
what do you mean? If you don't care and you sleep well pirating movies and music, like...

03:30:49.300 --> 03:30:52.300
Why is this a different line? I don't know.

03:30:52.300 --> 03:30:55.300
Why is this a worse line? I don't... I don't know.

03:30:55.300 --> 03:30:58.300
I've genuinely never understood it. I don't know.

03:30:58.300 --> 03:31:00.300
I don't know, dude. Whatever.

03:31:01.300 --> 03:31:04.300
Or, like, you know, when you have that conversation

03:31:04.300 --> 03:31:08.300
that basically goes, but just, like, understand that when you pull the funding away from something,

03:31:08.300 --> 03:31:14.300
it gets worse. Yeah. Like, dude, the state of news media now.

03:31:14.300 --> 03:31:17.300
It's terrifying. Yeah. It's terrifying.

03:31:17.300 --> 03:31:20.300
And the deeper you go down that rabbit hole, the scarier it is.

03:31:20.300 --> 03:31:26.300
Yeah. We are so vulnerable right now

03:31:26.300 --> 03:31:30.300
because we weren't willing to pay a subscription

03:31:30.300 --> 03:31:35.300
and we're still not willing to pay a subscription to support, like, real journalism.

03:31:39.300 --> 03:31:43.300
Yeah, so... There's been a couple of comments. One of them was saying that, like,

03:31:43.300 --> 03:31:46.300
it's not just you guys.

03:31:46.300 --> 03:31:49.300
While that is true, I genuinely believe that we get

03:31:49.300 --> 03:31:52.300
a higher percentage than most because of a lot of stuff that happened last year.

03:31:52.300 --> 03:31:55.300
Well, it's tall poppy. And that. Yeah.

03:31:55.300 --> 03:31:58.300
And that, both, really. But there's channels that are just as big as us

03:31:58.300 --> 03:32:05.300
that don't get anywhere near as much. And then also, there's been some comments of people

03:32:05.300 --> 03:32:09.300
telling me to, like, pull this topic along

03:32:09.300 --> 03:32:13.300
because it's clearly negative

03:32:13.300 --> 03:32:17.300
and that we should just ignore the trolls. I hear ya.

03:32:17.300 --> 03:32:23.300
I don't want us to do this all the time on Wancho, but I think sometimes showing kind of what's going on

03:32:23.300 --> 03:32:27.300
on our end is just sort of being honest with the viewers.

03:32:27.300 --> 03:32:30.300
And it's pretty intense.

03:32:30.300 --> 03:32:36.300
Like, if you sort that Rossman video that you mentioned,

03:32:36.300 --> 03:32:40.300
pretty positive video overall. If you go into the comments, it's not entirely positive,

03:32:40.300 --> 03:32:46.300
but it's a pretty positive video. If you go into the comments and you sort by newest,

03:32:46.300 --> 03:32:51.300
brutal. Yeah. And it's like, it's easy to say, well, forget the haters,

03:32:51.300 --> 03:32:55.300
but this isn't that small of a niche.

03:32:55.300 --> 03:32:58.300
You know, that's a video that has well over half a million

03:32:58.300 --> 03:33:01.300
views now, thousands and thousands of comments.

03:33:01.300 --> 03:33:07.300
And there's this almost universal, just like,

03:33:07.300 --> 03:33:10.300
I don't know how to describe it other than just like,

03:33:10.300 --> 03:33:13.300
yeah, animosity, hostility.

03:33:14.300 --> 03:33:19.300
Anger and expression of anger paired with a note

03:33:19.300 --> 03:33:23.300
that no action, no matter what you do, can ever be redeeming.

03:33:23.300 --> 03:33:27.300
I noticed that at a very oddly consistent rate.

03:33:27.300 --> 03:33:30.300
There was a bunch of different people, clearly not bots,

03:33:30.300 --> 03:33:33.300
but just like, this doesn't make it okay

03:33:33.300 --> 03:33:37.300
and nothing that is ever done can fix my opinion

03:33:37.300 --> 03:33:40.300
of this person. It's like, whoa. Yeah.

03:33:41.300 --> 03:33:44.300
What's the term? Moulding? Yeah.

03:33:44.300 --> 03:33:47.300
Like it's tough to relate to.

03:33:47.300 --> 03:33:54.300
Like I try to take feedback, right? Like I try to, we've always taken in data and tried

03:33:54.300 --> 03:33:58.300
to throw it what's bad and keep what's good and keep evolving, keep evolving, right?

03:33:58.300 --> 03:34:02.300
But when you get something that's just like,

03:34:02.300 --> 03:34:05.300
I'm mad and nothing can ever change that I'm mad.

03:34:05.300 --> 03:34:09.300
I don't even necessarily know what I'm mad about,

03:34:09.300 --> 03:34:14.300
but here's what I've kind of grabbed onto

03:34:14.300 --> 03:34:17.300
as the justification for my behavior.

03:34:17.300 --> 03:34:23.300
I don't really know how to deal with that. Speaking of things that we've done that I haven't agreed with,

03:34:23.300 --> 03:34:26.300
I strongly disagreed with a lot of the ways

03:34:26.300 --> 03:34:28.300
that we handled the controversy last year.

03:34:31.300 --> 03:34:35.300
But that's part of making decisions together as a team.

03:34:35.300 --> 03:34:39.300
That's part of making decisions based on the best information

03:34:39.300 --> 03:34:44.300
that you feel that you have at the time. I felt like there was a lot we could have said

03:34:44.300 --> 03:34:50.300
and I wanted to say, but you have to manage.

03:34:50.300 --> 03:34:53.300
There's also that it was in two parts.

03:34:53.300 --> 03:34:56.300
It makes it complicated.

03:34:56.300 --> 03:35:00.300
Yeah. I don't want to get way too many things. Yeah, we're definitely not going to do that

03:35:00.300 --> 03:35:03.300
because if we were to make a decision about changing

03:35:03.300 --> 03:35:06.300
what we have or haven't said about any of that,

03:35:06.300 --> 03:35:13.300
that would be a decision we'd make as a team because what you have to understand past a certain point

03:35:13.300 --> 03:35:18.300
is that the decisions you make impact more than just you.

03:35:18.300 --> 03:35:21.300
There's a hundred people on payroll who depend on this company

03:35:21.300 --> 03:35:25.300
and that was thrown into sharp relief last year

03:35:25.300 --> 03:35:32.300
when I think a lot of the crusaders felt like they were taking down

03:35:32.300 --> 03:35:36.300
like a big bad ogre.

03:35:36.300 --> 03:35:40.300
When at the end of the day, I already made my money

03:35:40.300 --> 03:35:43.300
and the people whose lives that if we went down,

03:35:43.300 --> 03:35:47.300
which we weren't going to, we kind of are awesome

03:35:47.300 --> 03:35:50.300
and we have a great team, literally world-class.

03:35:50.300 --> 03:35:54.300
But if we went down, the people whose lives would have been

03:35:54.300 --> 03:35:59.300
most negatively impacted would have been small creators.

03:35:59.300 --> 03:36:02.300
I often hear people say, yeah, I don't watch LTT,

03:36:02.300 --> 03:36:06.300
I watch small creators because I want to support small creators.

03:36:06.300 --> 03:36:11.300
Oh, you mean smaller creators like Dan Besser,

03:36:11.300 --> 03:36:15.300
producer of this weekly podcast who, by the way,

03:36:15.300 --> 03:36:18.300
creates every day for a living here.

03:36:18.300 --> 03:36:20.300
Lots of things.

03:36:25.300 --> 03:36:28.300
Even in that same sense, if you start looking to external

03:36:28.300 --> 03:36:31.300
to this company, small creators,

03:36:31.300 --> 03:36:35.300
I have always believed in arisen tide lifts all ships.

03:36:35.300 --> 03:36:39.300
When we were at our peak,

03:36:39.300 --> 03:36:45.300
so was the entire tech YouTuber sphere.

03:36:45.300 --> 03:36:48.300
When we slumped, so did everyone.

03:36:48.300 --> 03:36:52.300
Now, I don't think that we can assign any causality.

03:36:52.300 --> 03:36:55.300
It's not because of us. Yeah, there's been other challenges.

03:36:55.300 --> 03:36:57.300
The whole industry follows a similar line.

03:36:58.300 --> 03:37:01.300
And I don't think that... I don't mean that, relax.

03:37:01.300 --> 03:37:05.300
I don't think that members of the tech media tearing each other down is constructive.

03:37:05.300 --> 03:37:13.300
I think that we have always worked to build up.

03:37:15.300 --> 03:37:17.300
Technically, no.

03:37:20.300 --> 03:37:24.300
There's the one case where we were negatively comparing.

03:37:24.300 --> 03:37:28.300
I'm saying we as a company, not us, not you and me as individuals.

03:37:28.300 --> 03:37:31.300
We were negatively comparing other outlets.

03:37:31.300 --> 03:37:34.300
Sure, but I think we dealt with that pretty decisively.

03:37:34.300 --> 03:37:40.300
I agree, I'm just saying. I can't control what every single person says and does.

03:37:40.300 --> 03:37:42.300
No.

03:37:43.300 --> 03:37:46.300
Yeah, there was an error in a video a little while ago

03:37:46.300 --> 03:37:54.300
that basically I was accused of being biased in some way.

03:37:54.300 --> 03:37:57.300
I don't want to get into the exact details because it's just not worth it,

03:37:57.300 --> 03:38:00.300
but I was accused of being biased and I was sitting there going like,

03:38:00.300 --> 03:38:03.300
I didn't even touch that. I never saw it.

03:38:04.300 --> 03:38:08.300
That's tough. I think that's largely because...

03:38:08.300 --> 03:38:13.300
It might not work that way. Here, we have 100 plus people,

03:38:13.300 --> 03:38:16.300
but a lot of YouTubers are one two-bit operations,

03:38:16.300 --> 03:38:19.300
so people do think that they basically see everything,

03:38:19.300 --> 03:38:23.300
but it's like, we're not. Yeah, we're super not.

03:38:29.300 --> 03:38:32.300
So yeah, I am still grateful.

03:38:35.300 --> 03:38:39.300
It's harder to keep track of that. There are definitely times.

03:38:39.300 --> 03:38:44.300
I was swimming in my private pool the other day,

03:38:44.300 --> 03:38:51.300
and I thought, no, really though. I was like, this is the pool that...

03:38:51.300 --> 03:38:55.300
None of this would be possible. This is a crazy life I could have never imagined for myself

03:38:55.300 --> 03:39:00.300
if I hadn't through a combination of hard work, talent,

03:39:00.300 --> 03:39:03.300
and being exceptionally lucky.

03:39:03.300 --> 03:39:07.300
I was in the right place at the right time. This is something that never would have been possible.

03:39:07.300 --> 03:39:11.300
This is absolutely incredible, and just had this moment of gratitude.

03:39:11.300 --> 03:39:17.300
I have to confess, I was thinking not as much about you guys. I was actually thinking more of my wife and the team.

03:39:19.300 --> 03:39:23.300
Sorry, you guys are totally, totally integral to the whole thing,

03:39:23.300 --> 03:39:28.300
for real. Yeah, that was like three days ago.

03:39:28.300 --> 03:39:31.300
So yeah, I definitely think about it often,

03:39:31.300 --> 03:39:34.300
but it's harder in the day-to-day these days.

03:39:34.300 --> 03:39:40.300
It's been very challenging. Just to help us come up for error a little bit here though.

03:39:40.300 --> 03:39:43.300
You mentioned earlier, teams are doing better,

03:39:43.300 --> 03:39:47.300
things are getting better. All of that is true.

03:39:47.300 --> 03:39:51.300
Not only are performance metrics coming back,

03:39:51.300 --> 03:39:55.300
but I genuinely think the space is getting a little bit less toxic.

03:39:55.300 --> 03:40:00.300
I think there's been a sentiment shift towards us specifically as well.

03:40:00.300 --> 03:40:04.300
Yeah, I'm honestly looking more overall at the whole industry,

03:40:04.300 --> 03:40:07.300
but that's probably also true in regards to...

03:40:07.300 --> 03:40:10.300
I think they're kind of related. Maybe.

03:40:10.300 --> 03:40:13.300
I think they're kind of related. I think a lot of... I think people are maybe tired of it.

03:40:13.300 --> 03:40:16.300
I think people are getting... Because it's exhausting. It is.

03:40:16.300 --> 03:40:20.300
It's very exhausting. I'm just tired of being angry.

03:40:20.300 --> 03:40:24.300
Yeah. I don't have the energy for it anymore.

03:40:24.300 --> 03:40:28.300
Like, why are we doing this?

03:40:28.300 --> 03:40:32.300
The answer has to be because we love it, otherwise why?

03:40:32.300 --> 03:40:35.300
Oh, oh, oh. You mean like the work? I thought you meant the fighting.

03:40:35.300 --> 03:40:38.300
Yeah. No. Sorry.

03:40:38.300 --> 03:40:42.300
I was like, I don't know.

03:40:42.300 --> 03:40:45.300
Yeah. I don't know. That's...

03:40:45.300 --> 03:40:49.300
Yeah. And I am genuinely...

03:40:49.300 --> 03:40:54.300
It was a little doom and gloom for a while there. At this point, I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

03:40:54.300 --> 03:41:01.300
I think we can get back, maybe not exactly where we were, but I think we can fix some of this.

03:41:01.300 --> 03:41:06.300
And it's going to take effectively everybody.

03:41:06.300 --> 03:41:10.300
Well, yeah. Creators, viewers. Can you guys be part of it?

03:41:10.300 --> 03:41:16.300
Like, can we just... Can we try to, you know, not be upset about...

03:41:16.300 --> 03:41:20.300
And if someone just likes the PS portal, even though it's locked down,

03:41:20.300 --> 03:41:23.300
can we just be okay with that if they just like it? Is that okay?

03:41:23.300 --> 03:41:28.300
Yeah. And to be clear, this means, honestly, mostly elsewhere, right?

03:41:28.300 --> 03:41:31.300
Not just us.

03:41:31.300 --> 03:41:36.300
And it doesn't mean just like accepting everything all the time.

03:41:36.300 --> 03:41:40.300
King Ghost, I miss the friendly collaboration too.

03:41:40.300 --> 03:41:49.300
Yeah. I literally, my favorite thing out of practically everything used to be going to events

03:41:49.300 --> 03:41:55.300
and having these dinners that we used to do. Luke, we had dozens of creators at probably the biggest tech creator dinner

03:41:55.300 --> 03:41:58.300
that has ever taken place. Yeah.

03:41:58.300 --> 03:42:05.300
At LTX. And that was sick. And then literally, weeks later, we were living on ostracization island.

03:42:05.300 --> 03:42:08.300
Yeah. Literally weeks later. Yeah.

03:42:08.300 --> 03:42:13.300
As if it never happened and we never did anything to help build up the space.

03:42:13.300 --> 03:42:17.300
As if we were evil people motivated only by whatever, like tearing people down.

03:42:17.300 --> 03:42:21.300
I... That was quite the peak and fall.

03:42:21.300 --> 03:42:24.800
Because that... I still got whiplash. Yeah.

03:42:24.800 --> 03:42:28.800
I feel like videos were killing it.

03:42:28.800 --> 03:42:31.800
I think public perception was super, super high.

03:42:31.800 --> 03:42:35.800
And this is, I mean, this is a story that's been told a bunch of times in reality.

03:42:35.800 --> 03:42:43.800
Yeah. But yeah, we were at a hell of a peak at that point in time.

03:42:43.800 --> 03:42:46.800
Anyway, hey, we had a collab go live today.

03:42:46.800 --> 03:42:49.800
Yeah. Evan and Caitlin. That was cool.

03:42:49.800 --> 03:42:52.800
Yeah. We have some more collabs coming.

03:42:52.800 --> 03:42:55.800
I'm very excited for everything that's coming.

03:42:55.800 --> 03:42:58.800
And yeah, we've been killing it.

03:42:58.800 --> 03:43:02.800
No, thank you, Anonymous. Yes, I am grateful.

03:43:02.800 --> 03:43:07.800
And you know what? Maybe it was cathartic too, to have this conversation.

03:43:07.800 --> 03:43:10.800
I don't want to do this all the time. No.

03:43:10.800 --> 03:43:16.800
No, me neither. But it's good to re-center and refocus every once in a while.

03:43:16.800 --> 03:43:20.800
Thank you. Yeah. And like, look at the channel, man.

03:43:20.800 --> 03:43:25.800
He has five pro video, 1.4 million views, Apple event video, 1.5 million views, $50 versus

03:43:25.800 --> 03:43:30.800
$50,000 computer, 1.3 million views, 1.9 million views on the why the YouTube video about taking

03:43:30.800 --> 03:43:35.800
down, lowest rated PC, 1.3 million views, 1.6 on the tech upgrade.

03:43:35.800 --> 03:43:38.800
Content has been killing it.

03:43:38.800 --> 03:43:41.800
Yep. I understand the printer video isn't doing that well.

03:43:41.800 --> 03:43:44.800
You still got 800,000 views on a printer.

03:43:44.800 --> 03:43:48.800
No one even buys those. Show me anyone else who can get 800,000 views on a printer.

03:43:48.800 --> 03:43:51.800
At a certain point, it's like, that's still pretty cool.

03:43:51.800 --> 03:43:54.800
Like, yeah, it's not doing as well as the other ones, but it's a printer.

03:43:54.800 --> 03:43:59.800
I remember using a line a lot like that when I would, back when I would pitch to brands,

03:43:59.800 --> 03:44:06.800
I'd be like, especially IT brands, consumer electronics, you know, they can go to, they

03:44:06.800 --> 03:44:10.800
could go to like a, okay, this is contemporary, right?

03:44:10.800 --> 03:44:16.800
Or contemporaneous. So they could go to a Casey Neistat, you know, like Samsung or whatever, right?

03:44:16.800 --> 03:44:21.800
Go to someone lifestyle, right? But IT brands, I would, I would often pull out this line.

03:44:21.800 --> 03:44:27.800
I'd be like, tell me who else can get a million views on a hard drive.

03:44:27.800 --> 03:44:34.800
I'll wait. Like it's, we are, I think we're really good.

03:44:34.800 --> 03:44:43.800
And it's not, it's not just me. We as a team are really good at finding what's interesting about, about technology and being

03:44:43.800 --> 03:44:47.800
excited about it and sharing that excitement. That's our superpower.

03:44:47.800 --> 03:44:50.800
And watch that. And also watch everyone else's stuff.

03:44:50.800 --> 03:44:53.800
I don't know. The tech space is cool and different angles are cool.

03:44:53.800 --> 03:44:58.800
We say all the time, we'll say it now. If you watch review on something, watch other reviews as well.

03:44:58.800 --> 03:45:01.800
Yeah. Like that's never going to change.

03:45:01.800 --> 03:45:05.800
I want this tide. Not only do I believe that the tide lifts all the ships.

03:45:05.800 --> 03:45:11.800
I want it to lift all the ships. The space is uninteresting if it's just a few players.

03:45:11.800 --> 03:45:16.800
And that's how things slowly die. You, you want it to be vibrant and lively.

03:45:16.800 --> 03:45:21.800
You want a lot of places for people to go for information, for news, for entertainment

03:45:21.800 --> 03:45:25.800
content, all the type of stuff where the interest is this type of tech stuff.

03:45:25.800 --> 03:45:29.800
That's how everything is going to be able to move forward best.

03:45:29.800 --> 03:45:34.800
And that's how you, that's how you sow the seeds of the next generation of creators as

03:45:34.800 --> 03:45:40.800
well. Like if we're just down and angry and negative all the time, how are we going to, how's

03:45:40.800 --> 03:45:46.800
anyone going to get enthusiastic and replace me? Smashing on anyone for, for having a slightly different opinion.

03:45:46.800 --> 03:45:51.800
There's no real space for, for new angles, new talent, new ideas.

03:45:51.800 --> 03:46:00.800
New ideas. Yeah. So try to, try to promote the idea of, of different angles on things, different opinions

03:46:00.800 --> 03:46:09.800
on things, different approaches to things. And then there's more of a chance that that person in their, in their bedroom with a camera

03:46:09.800 --> 03:46:14.800
that had bought a new phone can make a video on it and, and start a career that way.

03:46:14.800 --> 03:46:18.800
Jim's tech says the printer video was good. It was a bummer that the only laser printer you had was monochrome.

03:46:18.800 --> 03:46:21.800
There are some good color laser printers out there that are cheap also.

03:46:21.800 --> 03:46:25.800
That's a really good point. I think it was just kind of a limitation of the format.

03:46:25.800 --> 03:46:32.800
We were trying to do that thing where the increments go up in 10x and at $400 you can

03:46:32.800 --> 03:46:35.800
get a really nice tank based inkjet.

03:46:35.800 --> 03:46:39.800
At $4 you can get a piece of garbage bubble jet.

03:46:39.800 --> 03:46:42.800
We literally did get a $4 printer though.

03:46:42.800 --> 03:46:46.800
It was like seven, six and a half Canadian dollars or something like that.

03:46:46.800 --> 03:46:49.800
I forgot exactly what it was, but it was like 450 us or something.

03:46:49.800 --> 03:46:53.800
And then at $40 you're not getting a color laser.

03:46:53.800 --> 03:46:59.800
You're getting a black and white laser. So I would have actually really liked to show like a $60, $70 option.

03:46:59.800 --> 03:47:04.800
That's like a color laser that will at least do like color documents or whatever.

03:47:04.800 --> 03:47:07.800
We tried to kind of talk about it, but you're right.

03:47:07.800 --> 03:47:11.800
You're right. That was something where we tried something.

03:47:11.800 --> 03:47:20.800
So we tried this like increments of 10x format with the 50 versus 500 versus 5,000 versus

03:47:20.800 --> 03:47:23.800
$50,000 computer thing. We tried it with the printers.

03:47:23.800 --> 03:47:28.800
I don't think we have anything else in the queue right now, but we got to try stuff.

03:47:28.800 --> 03:47:31.800
We got to try stuff. You could maybe do honorable mentions just to fill certain gaps.

03:47:31.800 --> 03:47:38.800
That's an idea. Yep. But that's another thing is like, we'll have minor missteps here or there, but content

03:47:38.800 --> 03:47:43.800
constantly changes and you're never going to perfectly hit every time we learn things

03:47:43.800 --> 03:47:47.800
move on. That's part of the job. I think the content team is doing great.

03:47:47.800 --> 03:47:53.800
I think they're killing it. And I think the views and general audience sentiment improving reflects that.

03:47:53.800 --> 03:47:58.800
A random physicist says home feeder would be a great 10x video, like the $10 home feeder

03:47:58.800 --> 03:48:01.800
based on what you did in Scrapyard Wars. You could do it.

03:48:02.800 --> 03:48:09.800
That's one of the things with home theater stuff is like, well, that guy I think just

03:48:09.800 --> 03:48:12.800
took pity on me or something. I don't know. Well, he knew who you were.

03:48:12.800 --> 03:48:15.800
Oh, he didn't at all. Okay. Did the audio from that ever go in?

03:48:15.800 --> 03:48:18.800
I don't think so. I haven't watched the full video. We have the whole thing audio recorded.

03:48:18.800 --> 03:48:21.800
He had genuinely no coverage. Okay. All right.

03:48:21.800 --> 03:48:24.800
All right. I'll allow it. I'll accept it.

03:48:24.800 --> 03:48:30.800
He thought I was a very weird guy. But yeah, there's like old home theater equipment.

03:48:30.800 --> 03:48:33.800
Sometimes people are just trying to move it on. That wasn't even old.

03:48:33.800 --> 03:48:37.800
That was actually all kind of newer stuff. Anyways, that was weird, but yeah.

03:48:43.800 --> 03:48:46.800
Yeah. Next.

03:48:46.800 --> 03:48:49.800
Would you care for a second message?

03:48:50.800 --> 03:48:53.800
That's got to be one of the all time. Yeah.

03:48:53.800 --> 03:48:55.800
Let's go with something a little lighter this time. If you don't mind.

03:48:57.800 --> 03:49:00.800
Let me just look. What is your opinion on geopolitics?

03:49:01.800 --> 03:49:03.800
This might take me a bit to find one.

03:49:04.800 --> 03:49:08.800
Would TechLink still exist if Riley didn't join LMG in 2019?

03:49:08.800 --> 03:49:11.800
You talked about how it picked up nearly all the lost revenue

03:49:11.800 --> 03:49:14.800
from LTT when LTT struggled. This one wasn't better.

03:49:14.800 --> 03:49:18.800
Would LMG be entirely different now if there was no TechLink?

03:49:18.800 --> 03:49:24.800
I love Riley. I didn't see a path toward having that high energy, irreverent,

03:49:24.800 --> 03:49:27.800
yet informed style without Riley.

03:49:27.800 --> 03:49:33.800
I basically had in mind what I wanted to do and waited until NCIX

03:49:33.800 --> 03:49:38.800
went to crap and immediately slid into Riley's DMs.

03:49:39.800 --> 03:49:42.800
Who else could be Riley? Yeah, I rather agree.

03:49:42.800 --> 03:49:48.800
Tell me that. Riley is a unique pearl that has been grown

03:49:48.800 --> 03:49:51.800
from a unique piece of sand.

03:49:54.800 --> 03:49:57.800
Do that again, Luke? I'm just saying how you get pearls.

03:49:57.800 --> 03:50:00.800
So you had to crack NCIX open and just like...

03:50:00.800 --> 03:50:02.800
Yeah, extract the one valuable thing.

03:50:05.800 --> 03:50:09.800
No offense to some of my former colleagues. There were other pearls.

03:50:10.800 --> 03:50:12.800
They were just a little misshapen.

03:50:13.800 --> 03:50:16.800
Next. Hey, DLL, as an ignorant American,

03:50:16.800 --> 03:50:22.800
you don't have to say ignorant. My knowledge of America's hat comes from media,

03:50:22.800 --> 03:50:25.800
like Pure Ponage, Letter Kenny, Shorzy, and LTT.

03:50:25.800 --> 03:50:28.800
What Canadian-made media would you recommend?

03:50:28.800 --> 03:50:31.800
Wait, Pure Ponage is Canadian?

03:50:31.800 --> 03:50:34.800
I think they were, yeah. We don't even know what's Canadian.

03:50:35.800 --> 03:50:38.800
That's a whole thing. Just assume most of it's American.

03:50:38.800 --> 03:50:41.800
I think friendship is magic is mostly Canadian.

03:50:41.800 --> 03:50:43.800
Yeah, the production was local.

03:50:44.800 --> 03:50:46.800
Riley did a voice in it once.

03:50:47.800 --> 03:50:49.800
Oh, that would make sense why he did that.

03:50:51.800 --> 03:50:54.800
He was saying red-green, yeah. Yeah, yeah, red-green.

03:50:54.800 --> 03:50:57.800
Fred Penner? Probably a pretty dated show at this point.

03:50:57.800 --> 03:50:59.800
I don't remember, I just feel like probably.

03:51:00.800 --> 03:51:03.800
Does anybody know The Beach Comers? Is that it?

03:51:03.800 --> 03:51:06.800
No. Yeah, some people. It might be an old thing.

03:51:07.800 --> 03:51:10.800
Is it really Park Boys? Is it really Park Boys Canadians?

03:51:10.800 --> 03:51:13.800
Yeah. What? You know that?

03:51:13.800 --> 03:51:16.800
Yeah. That's sick. Oh, yeah, Stargate.

03:51:16.800 --> 03:51:19.800
What's that? My aunt was on Stargate? Stargate!

03:51:19.800 --> 03:51:22.800
Stargate's sick. What makes it Canadian, though? I don't know.

03:51:22.800 --> 03:51:26.800
Everything's filmed in Canada. Yeah, but is it culturally Canadian, really?

03:51:26.800 --> 03:51:28.800
What is Canadian culture?

03:51:30.800 --> 03:51:33.800
That's a question right there.

03:51:33.800 --> 03:51:35.800
I think that's hard to nail down

03:51:36.800 --> 03:51:40.800
in this part of the country. I mean, they have the same issue in America.

03:51:40.800 --> 03:51:43.800
You can drive like 200 miles in America and be like,

03:51:43.800 --> 03:51:46.800
I'm still in Texas. Yeah. Well, no, no, I don't even mean that.

03:51:46.800 --> 03:51:50.800
I mean, you can still be in Texas if you're in a completely different country.

03:51:50.800 --> 03:51:53.800
Yeah. Like, and it's very much the same here.

03:51:53.800 --> 03:51:57.800
Like, in the lower mainland, I will literally go play badminton,

03:51:57.800 --> 03:52:01.800
and I'll be like, oh yeah, I'm the token white guy.

03:52:01.800 --> 03:52:06.800
Yeah. And then I can drive like, you know, four hours to five hours to Vernon

03:52:06.800 --> 03:52:10.800
or something like that. And Yvonne and I will walk down the street and you'll have people be like,

03:52:10.800 --> 03:52:13.800
What the? Yeah. An Asian?

03:52:13.800 --> 03:52:16.800
Yeah. You know, like kids. Same province.

03:52:16.800 --> 03:52:20.800
Dude, when she was there for her practicum, like little kids would play better.

03:52:20.800 --> 03:52:23.800
Little kids, dude. They don't know better.

03:52:23.800 --> 03:52:27.800
They're going to do what they're going to do. They don't know better or anything, but it's just like,

03:52:27.800 --> 03:52:31.800
I don't know what that is. I think you get more unique Canadian culture

03:52:31.800 --> 03:52:35.800
the more East you go. Yeah, probably more unique.

03:52:35.800 --> 03:52:39.800
Yeah. Vancouver is such a mixing pot.

03:52:39.800 --> 03:52:42.800
Yeah. Not always the most mixed,

03:52:42.800 --> 03:52:45.800
but all the ingredients are thrown in. Oh yeah.

03:52:45.800 --> 03:52:49.800
They're all in there. Yeah. Like I often tell people that it's like

03:52:49.800 --> 03:52:52.800
stupid for me to travel for food. Oh yeah.

03:52:52.800 --> 03:52:56.800
Because like, dude. Food in Vancouver, you just got to pick the like, dude.

03:52:56.800 --> 03:52:59.800
If you know what you want, there's a city that will have amazing versions of that.

03:52:59.800 --> 03:53:02.800
Like it's always a joke to me when people are like, yeah, you have to like,

03:53:02.800 --> 03:53:05.800
eat the raw fish in Japan. I'm sitting here going,

03:53:05.800 --> 03:53:09.800
in the same fucking ocean, right? And there's like plenty of Japanese people here

03:53:09.800 --> 03:53:12.800
to like cut up a fish for me if I really need, if that's really what I'm into.

03:53:12.800 --> 03:53:15.800
Like I just, like what are you talking about?

03:53:15.800 --> 03:53:18.800
Dude, man. Like Indian cuisine,

03:53:18.800 --> 03:53:21.800
Asian cuisine. Amazing. Amazing.

03:53:21.800 --> 03:53:24.800
Like all of it. Middle Eastern, we kind of lack,

03:53:24.800 --> 03:53:27.800
and Mexican. I was going to say Mexican. Our Mexican food size.

03:53:27.800 --> 03:53:30.800
I am very jealous of this. Where?

03:53:30.800 --> 03:53:34.800
Tell me. Don't tell me now.

03:53:34.800 --> 03:53:38.800
I'm not going to tell you now. What is he talking about? You're going to like where it's located as well.

03:53:38.800 --> 03:53:41.800
Really? I've been getting sick of where we live for food,

03:53:41.800 --> 03:53:44.800
so I've been trying to find them, mostly just for you.

03:53:44.800 --> 03:53:47.800
There's, I really, really like Mexican food.

03:53:47.800 --> 03:53:51.800
Yeah. Dude, you can go to any random hole in the wall in LA.

03:53:51.800 --> 03:53:54.800
Oh, dude, it's amazing. And you'll get this like giant thing.

03:53:54.800 --> 03:53:58.800
It'll be like $8, $9. Okay, I haven't been out in LA in a little while.

03:53:58.800 --> 03:54:01.800
If it's up to me, and I'm in the States, practically anywhere in the States,

03:54:01.800 --> 03:54:04.800
I will basically just eat Mexican food. Oh, yeah.

03:54:04.800 --> 03:54:09.800
Because I know I'm not going to get it when I come back. 100%. It's like you get like an enchilada here,

03:54:09.800 --> 03:54:13.800
and it's like this stupid wimpy little thing. You go down there, you order enchiladas,

03:54:13.800 --> 03:54:17.800
and it's like a whole plate covered in delicious like sauce,

03:54:17.800 --> 03:54:20.800
and there's like unlimited pico and a little thing. You go get it.

03:54:20.800 --> 03:54:24.800
Dude, the pico? Oh.

03:54:24.800 --> 03:54:28.800
Properly made pico, properly made guacamole.

03:54:28.800 --> 03:54:32.800
Yeah, dog. Oh, man.

03:54:32.800 --> 03:54:35.800
So good. So yeah, we're lacking that.

03:54:35.800 --> 03:54:40.800
Yeah, yeah, we... And to be clear, I'm sure you can get good Mexican cuisine in Vancouver.

03:54:40.800 --> 03:54:46.800
Probably down in Vancouver, yeah. But what we don't have is like a huge Mexican community here.

03:54:46.800 --> 03:54:51.800
And so that's the difference, right? Like you can get good Indian cuisine

03:54:51.800 --> 03:54:55.800
probably just about anywhere, but you guys don't have Surrey,

03:54:55.800 --> 03:54:59.800
where like it's cheap,

03:54:59.800 --> 03:55:02.800
and it's everywhere, and it's like super authentic.

03:55:02.800 --> 03:55:06.800
If you just pick a random one, it's probably going to be very good.

03:55:06.800 --> 03:55:09.800
I don't go to random ones anymore. I don't either.

03:55:09.800 --> 03:55:12.800
I only go to Ustadji. Dude, Masala and Langley. No, man.

03:55:12.800 --> 03:55:17.800
Ustadji. Ustadji. I will challenge you to like a curry hole showdown.

03:55:17.800 --> 03:55:22.800
Wait, hold on. Probably would not be the best thing to say.

03:55:22.800 --> 03:55:25.800
I met like a hole in the wall restaurant

03:55:25.800 --> 03:55:29.800
that specializes in curry. I know a place.

03:55:29.800 --> 03:55:30.800
I did it.

03:55:40.800 --> 03:55:44.800
Was that intentional? You have to tell me. Was that intentional?

03:55:44.800 --> 03:55:49.800
It doesn't look like it was intentional. I know when it's intentional with Linus.

03:55:49.800 --> 03:55:52.800
Oh, god. A pair of you.

03:55:52.800 --> 03:55:55.800
Oh, sure. I think I'm like watering hole.

03:55:55.800 --> 03:55:58.800
I know. Slash hole in the wall. Yeah.

03:55:58.800 --> 03:56:02.800
Exactly. That's not curry that comes out of that hole.

03:56:02.800 --> 03:56:05.800
That is not a curry hole.

03:56:05.800 --> 03:56:09.800
Oh, man. I had a really, my favorite one was in the middle of Surrey

03:56:09.800 --> 03:56:12.800
and they closed down. They changed ownerships. What was it called?

03:56:12.800 --> 03:56:15.800
I cannot remember. It wasn't taste of Punjab, was it? No.

03:56:15.800 --> 03:56:18.800
No. This was like a long time ago. Because they're Ustadji now in their way.

03:56:18.800 --> 03:56:21.800
It's like actually better. Ustadji. No, they changed management.

03:56:21.800 --> 03:56:25.800
Ustadji. Ustadji. Dude, the owner is a G.

03:56:25.800 --> 03:56:28.800
I am definitely. There's like the weirdest pictures of him.

03:56:28.800 --> 03:56:32.800
I've been to a couple of their locations now. Wait, is that actually their branding?

03:56:32.800 --> 03:56:35.800
Is it Ustadji76? Yeah.

03:56:35.800 --> 03:56:38.800
Oh, no. Scroll down. Scroll down.

03:56:38.800 --> 03:56:41.800
Dude, the central city location. Keep going. Keep going.

03:56:41.800 --> 03:56:44.800
Keep going. The central city location. Yeah.

03:56:44.800 --> 03:56:47.800
What a G. Oh, yeah. The central city location has artificial turf on the wall.

03:56:47.800 --> 03:56:51.800
What? Why? I don't fucking know, but it also has fairy lights.

03:56:51.800 --> 03:56:56.800
I love this, man. They had Mr. B. in cartoons on the TV when I went in.

03:56:56.800 --> 03:56:59.800
Look at the way he poses in front of his restaurants.

03:56:59.800 --> 03:57:02.800
This is sick. Their branding is so inconsistent,

03:57:02.800 --> 03:57:05.800
and they don't seem to give any fucks. That means it's good.

03:57:05.800 --> 03:57:09.800
Their garlic don is perfect. The food looks amazing.

03:57:09.800 --> 03:57:14.800
The picture. Oh, that looks so good. Their garlic don is flawless, and unlike McDonald's,

03:57:14.800 --> 03:57:17.800
the food looks like that. No way.

03:57:17.800 --> 03:57:21.800
It looks exactly like that. I will defend. I still think Missal is great.

03:57:21.800 --> 03:57:24.800
We'll do both. Let's do it. That looks so good.

03:57:24.800 --> 03:57:27.800
They pulled food out of their kitchen, and they took these pictures.

03:57:27.800 --> 03:57:30.800
I swear to God. That's amazing.

03:57:30.800 --> 03:57:33.800
What is this road? It's Canada.

03:57:33.800 --> 03:57:36.800
We have one. Seriously, dude.

03:57:36.800 --> 03:57:39.800
I love their branding. What is it? What are they?

03:57:39.800 --> 03:57:42.800
Are they supposed to be? Oh, they're milestones. They look like these.

03:57:42.800 --> 03:57:45.800
Yeah, they're locations.

03:57:45.800 --> 03:57:48.800
So I didn't become aware of them until they replaced the place

03:57:48.800 --> 03:57:51.800
I liked to go in Surrey Central. Yeah, this website decides amazing.

03:57:51.800 --> 03:57:54.800
Oh, yeah. Like, what font do you use?

03:57:54.800 --> 03:57:58.800
Yes. Conrad, take notes.

03:57:58.800 --> 03:58:01.800
Yeah, yeah.

03:58:01.800 --> 03:58:04.800
Oh, apparently. Oh, okay. So that was a grand opening a while ago,

03:58:04.800 --> 03:58:08.800
but apparently they're in Kamloops. So there you go. Anyway, you start G.

03:58:08.800 --> 03:58:11.800
Does this site just scroll forever? What am I even looking at here?

03:58:11.800 --> 03:58:15.800
It seems like this is their... Who is Buddy in the Jeans? Is this their Instagram?

03:58:15.800 --> 03:58:18.800
Is this him? Yeah, I think that must be him.

03:58:18.800 --> 03:58:21.800
That must be him. This is insane. Dude, it just never...

03:58:21.800 --> 03:58:24.800
Incoming call. What is this?

03:58:24.800 --> 03:58:27.800
They're videos. It's their food, yeah.

03:58:27.800 --> 03:58:30.800
Dude. Okay. You start G.

03:58:30.800 --> 03:58:33.800
We got to the end. Yeah. Anyway.

03:58:33.800 --> 03:58:37.800
So yeah, I love Vancouver food.

03:58:37.800 --> 03:58:41.800
Yeah, Vancouver food's great. Yeah. It's one of the best things this guy's got going for it.

03:58:41.800 --> 03:58:44.800
Okay, like Chinese food. You can get everything from like,

03:58:44.800 --> 03:58:47.800
like literal, like actual regional styles.

03:58:47.800 --> 03:58:52.800
Yeah. Like Sichuan style, or like more like Hong Kong style,

03:58:52.800 --> 03:58:56.800
like hot pot, Taiwanese style, you know, like you can get like, so like the China area,

03:58:56.800 --> 03:59:01.800
you can get like different styles. And then you can also get like trashy American Chinese food.

03:59:01.800 --> 03:59:06.800
You know, like you can get your sweet and sour pork and your oil drenched chow mein or whatever,

03:59:06.800 --> 03:59:09.800
like its source. Yeah, it's great.

03:59:09.800 --> 03:59:12.800
Okay, what are we supposed to be talking about?

03:59:12.800 --> 03:59:17.800
I think we're done with that one. GLL, any way to vote on items,

03:59:17.800 --> 03:59:22.800
we would like to see again in the store. I would love to see the black shorts again,

03:59:22.800 --> 03:59:27.800
pre-orders or even Kickstarter style, where we need to reach a minimum order size.

03:59:27.800 --> 03:59:30.800
Which black shorts, like the swimming trunks or the sweatshorts?

03:59:30.800 --> 03:59:33.800
No, no, we had just like shorts. The sweatshorts, right? I think they were sweatshorts.

03:59:33.800 --> 03:59:38.800
Yeah. I actually had a conversation with Nick earlier this week

03:59:38.800 --> 03:59:41.800
about some of the ideas that we have

03:59:41.800 --> 03:59:46.800
that we just don't know how feasible they are. Like we don't know what the order mix is going to look like

03:59:46.800 --> 03:59:49.800
in terms of sizing. We don't know in terms of color.

03:59:49.800 --> 03:59:52.800
Like is there the possibility of building our own kind of

03:59:52.800 --> 03:59:57.800
Kickstarter style thing where we basically say, okay, yeah, like our MOQ for this is 2,000 units.

03:59:57.800 --> 04:00:02.800
If 300 or 400 of you pre-order or 500,

04:00:02.800 --> 04:00:06.800
like we set some threshold and we basically go, okay, yeah, here's where it's at right now.

04:00:06.800 --> 04:00:10.800
Here's how close we think we are. Here's where we anticipate it will come out.

04:00:10.800 --> 04:00:13.800
Are you down? Are you in? Yeah.

04:00:13.800 --> 04:00:17.800
If you're going to anticipate when it would come out, you have to put a deadline.

04:00:17.800 --> 04:00:20.800
Yeah. Yeah. And then we just refund if it doesn't make it.

04:00:20.800 --> 04:00:23.800
Yeah. I think this person is describing a non-deadlined version, but yeah.

04:00:23.800 --> 04:00:26.800
Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

04:00:26.800 --> 04:00:30.800
It sounds like they're describing more of like a,

04:00:30.800 --> 04:00:33.800
like a threshold for resurrecting older items.

04:00:33.800 --> 04:00:37.800
We don't have anything right now, but there is the possibility that, yeah,

04:00:37.800 --> 04:00:40.800
an Astrop style or Kickstarter style that we could,

04:00:40.800 --> 04:00:43.800
we could either bring back high demand items or,

04:00:43.800 --> 04:00:48.800
or do kind of edgier or kitschier stuff that,

04:00:48.800 --> 04:00:50.800
that we're really not sure about.

04:00:56.800 --> 04:00:59.800
Is Drop just like a keyboard company now? Oh, no, no, no.

04:00:59.800 --> 04:01:02.800
No, we have this stuff. Don't forget about headphones. Yeah.

04:01:04.800 --> 04:01:07.800
Pop Gear says, okay, but how long would I have to wait after order?

04:01:07.800 --> 04:01:10.800
Will it be like backpacks, six plus months? Yes.

04:01:10.800 --> 04:01:13.800
Yeah. Yeah. Production times are weeks or sometimes months.

04:01:13.800 --> 04:01:17.800
Shipping is like a month. It just takes time at sampling.

04:01:17.800 --> 04:01:20.800
They got it. Like someone has to like make it.

04:01:20.800 --> 04:01:23.800
Like it's one off, you know, and then it has to be shipped.

04:01:23.800 --> 04:01:26.800
And then we have to like schedule the meeting and then we have to evaluate it

04:01:26.800 --> 04:01:30.800
and then we have to compile our feedback. We have to send it back and then they have to like make another one.

04:01:30.800 --> 04:01:33.800
Like it's making products is,

04:01:33.800 --> 04:01:37.800
I feel like a lot of media,

04:01:37.800 --> 04:01:40.800
and I don't just mean tech media. I feel like a lot of media

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would have a very different perspective

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if they had actually created anything.

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Yeah. A lot of critics create nothing.

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And it's definitely given me a better perspective.

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Yeah.

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More? Yeah. Or not.

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We could just sit here in silence. I mean, that's an option. Yeah.

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So excited to meet Monitor Koon.

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Why can product, what? I have no idea.

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Why can products that are still being purchased

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out of stock on the store? I'm going to give you another crack at this one.

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Go ahead, Dan. Why can products that are still being produced

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be out of stock on the store? Why not just send it when it's made after I ordered?

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We are generally not that into taking back orders.

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Because our lead times are so long

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that we end up creating negativity

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out of an attempt to provide a service,

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which is the ability to back order.

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We act more like a manufacturer.

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It's not like we have a water bottle factory. I don't own a water bottle factory.

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But we behave like a manufacturer in that we place large orders.

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We have to figure out our mixes.

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We have to warehouse them. We have to market them, sell them.

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We're pretty vertically integrated for a lot of our product stuff,

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which means that our ETAs are dependent on

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manufacturing and global logistics.

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They're not dependent on whether our supplier down the street has stock or our other supplier has stock.

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There is no other supplier a lot of the time. We're working directly with factories.

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So it takes as long as it takes.

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And you end up creating a lot of work for yourself

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because no matter how hard you try to disclaim

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that this is going to be three months,

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people will message you and be angry about it.

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And then heaven forbid it lasts longer. We'd rather just take your money once we have something in stock

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or at the very least once we know with a fair degree of certainty

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when we're going to be getting it. We've made exceptions and honestly,

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it's worked out okay sometimes, but not as well other times.

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Word 97 guy in Philippine chat said, oh man, when I was working in the snow plow industry,

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we spent a year developing the crate it ships in.

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Yeah. Things take time.

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When you start getting into engineering and development and whatnot, things take time.

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And you'll think it'll take six months

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and then in month five, you'll go, oh, there's a big problem

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that we didn't foresee and now it requires re-engineering or whatever.

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The whole ISO standard for the size of the bits and the size of the sockets,

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realizing that the entire rest of the industry was doing it wrong and we had to decide,

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do we go according to SPAC or do we go according to compatibility

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with the rest of the ecosystem? Even just making that decision is going to take a lot of time.

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How could we see that coming? This stuff happens all the time.

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So, like, I don't know.

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Times of five, four. Hello, Linus, Luke and Dan.

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As big fan of Overcooked,

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I was wondering if Linus had heard of the game Played Up.

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It's pretty similar. It's also published by some of the YouTubers

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called the Yogcast. Oh, really? Yogcast.

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I have not heard of Played Up. I know Overcooked, I know Moving Out.

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My kids really like Moving Out. I play Played Up.

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Overwhelmingly positive reviews on the scene. It's phenomenal.

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It's great if you're, like, screaming at your friends.

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Yeah. Cool. So good.

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After having Played Overcooked, I haven't craved more of that kind of gameplay, really, personally.

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But, um, yeah.

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I might be down to try it sometime. But I also, I don't know, man.

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Like, I'm old. Like, when I have half an hour to hang out and play a game,

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honestly, it's a lot easier and more comfortable for me to just flip on a game that I already know how to play.

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Dude, yeah. That you don't need friends for.

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Got him. I mean, like, you got to get a group of people together

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at midnight, right? Not...

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Wow. You got to burn me like that. We both get...

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First, you want to invite me to your pool party.

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Yeah. Okay. Rude.

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You weren't invited in the first place.

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Turned off. He's off. Bye, Dan.

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Bye. I'm sorry. Okay, welcome back, Dan.

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We need someone to read the merch messages. Okay.

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I need somebody to come to my pool party.

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Please. Hello, WAN. It's happening in the rain.

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Yeah, I met you at the LAN party. Just splash around on the floor.

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Hello, WAN.DLL. With iPhone and Pixel promising plus six years of software updates,

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do you think that they will try and push newer devices harder

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or increase the benefits of the new devices and exclude from old theirs?

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I think they're absolutely going to try to differentiate the newer products.

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But I think that six plus years of software updates

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is less an action that they are taking

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to extend the lifetime of these devices and more an acknowledgement that that is

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and is becoming the product lifecycle for phones

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and they better just get on board or they're going to be left behind

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and there's going to be no one to sell a new phone, no one who wants anything to do with their brand

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when their competitors are supporting the devices for longer.

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I think this is a response. I don't think this is proactive, particularly on Google's side.

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Apple seems to have slowly acknowledged this over time.

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You go back to some of the very earlier iPhones, they didn't necessarily get this nice long support period,

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but for the most part they do now because Apple recognizes that the value

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is in building out the size of the install base.

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My company recently got acquired

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and the newer organization is nothing but egos.

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But I love my team and all the coworkers.

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How would you deal with new leadership causing problems due to the lack of confidence and big ego?

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It's the same story, man. You hear it over and over again,

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acquisitions like private equity,

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I don't know. It's tough. I'm sorry.

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We've never been in that scenario, honestly. Yeah. I mean, I've definitely had friends

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that have talked to me about how the company changed

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after they're acquired and stuff. I can't think of too many versions of the story

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where it ends real good. They exist.

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They do. But people that it usually ends up real good for

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is not the individual workers. Oh, no, but that's what I meant.

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I'm only counting the stories I've heard from individual workers.

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I'm not counting the ownership. Ownership does great when a company gets acquired.

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That's kind of how it works.

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What happens when you run out of bad shafts for the scribe driver?

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Will we just be getting a scribe driver with the primo-nerling instead?

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No, the primo-nerling is too rough for the whole pin grip.

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What if I buy a screwdriver and then cut off the head and then machine it myself?

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Why don't you just machine a pin at that point? Extremely expensive scribe driver.

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That's probably worse. I like this. Yes. We've talked about this.

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I live my life by that, Luke. You knew me.

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I had a surprise. That's somewhat what I'm referencing.

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We are for my... Never mind.

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We have lots of supply of shafts.

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What is it, four tons? This is not a concern for the time being.

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We have a lot of shafts. However...

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We're not concerned about not having enough shafts? We...

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It's okay. Look, it's bad shaft. You're not missing anything.

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It's rough.

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Technically, it's ribbed.

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Technically, it's knurled. I think that's worse.

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Anyway, the point is we've got lots, but we have talked about this and we would consider

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making a scribe driver from scratch, but I don't know.

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We're years away from having that conversation. I think we've got plenty of scribe drivers.

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You should take the...

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You should take the branding from Nintendo, the new with the multi-colored things coming out of the new.

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Do you know what I'm talking about? New Nintendo 3DS?

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Yeah, new scribe driver. New scribe driver.

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What's new about it? Technically nothing,

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but it's made from new things? I don't know.

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Yeah, a scribe driver. We'll keep mining for shafts.

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Mine shaft. Shaft mine, shaft mine, shaft.

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I don't know. There's plenty in the hill of shafts.

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Shaft hill. Mountain?

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Broken shaft mountain. That's a great movie.

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Shaft mountain. Classic.

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Hi Linus, Luke and Dan. This is the last one I got for you.

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I was wondering if you think there is a chance that TSMC

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will be broken up as a monopoly. Monopoly.

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Particularly if Intel were to pull out of the fabrication space and focus on research and development.

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So when you break up a company, you are breaking it up into

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it's like an antitrust thing, right? You're breaking it up so that it cannot

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utilize its advantage in one area

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to give it an unfair advantage in another area.

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TSMC, for the most part, just does one thing.

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You can't break up TSMC.

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Oh, hold on. It's so integrated.

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I was going to say you could demand that there are TSMD and like tool development

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breaks off from their pure manufacturing, but

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in silicon, they're so

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parallel and they're so integrated. I don't see how you could ever...

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I also think that would quite genuinely be directly against the interests of the governments

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involved. The government of

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Taiwan is like not going to be interested in that.

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And I don't care which one you ask, like the more pro-freedom

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government that is currently in power or a more pro-China

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government that if they were ever to manage to win somehow,

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none of them would be interested at all

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in disrupting TSMC's

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current, just like March

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to complete global semiconductor domination here.

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Yeah, they're not going to disrupt that. That would be

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unwise on like so many different levels.

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That's it. Thank you so much for tuning into the land show.

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Yeah. We're going to see you guys again next week. Yeah. Same bad time?

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Same bad channel? Yeah. Bye!

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Thanks for watching!