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See you in a minute. Is he practicing to take my job?

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Cause it really seems like it. I don't like Luke anymore.

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I don't like this side of you.

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Oh man.

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Okay. We got it. We'll be all right.

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We got it. I'm fine.

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Little power nap. Yeah. I like it. It's good stuff.

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Effective.

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All right, let's do this thing. Until you have like 20 minutes for a power nap and you fall asleep at minute 19,

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then it's just everything's worse. Yeah. I don't know how people like,

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maybe like micro sleeping or whatever it is, like where you just like take little naps throughout the day.

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Yeah. It really seems to me that to be able to fall asleep

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quickly enough to take advantage of that, I would have to just be in a perpetual state of exhaustion.

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There's supposed to be this trick where you think of a word

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and then you think of an alternate word that starts with the first letter of each letter

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of the root word that you came up with. So like root.

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You'd have to come up with a letter that starts with R, two letters to start with O and the letter that starts with T.

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Or sorry, a word. Two letters to start with O. I meant a word. I know, but it's fun.

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It is, yeah, fair enough. I'll take it. He has an actual learning disability

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and I actually go after him hard every single time I get an opportunity.

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Literally worst friend, really.

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But I just get too into it.

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Yeah. Like I'll just, I start focusing on it like really hard

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and then I'm like, I'm more awake than. Dude, there's literally no sleep follow sleep tricks

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that work for me. Most of them either I get it too into it

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or I get immediately distracted

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and it takes so much focus to stay on top of it. Counting past sheep 15 is like impossible

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because by the time you get there, your brain's like, ooh.

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Penny, shiny, shiny, penny. There's literally anything else that we've been talking about.

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Well.

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All right, let's do this thing.

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Don't move for 15 minutes and you'll be asleep.

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No, I'll just be super agitated is what I'll be.

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And I'll be your crying shoulder. I'll be love suicide.

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I'll be better when I'm older.

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Good song, good song.

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All right, let's, okay, I'm doing it. All right, let's just do it.

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Hey there, everybody. Welcome to a chilled out, relaxed WAN Show.

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So smooth. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today.

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We're gonna be talking about Apple's iPhone 16 Glowtime event,

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the PlayStation 5 Pro announcement, Luke. We also have some good news in this week in AI

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and we're gonna be talking about how the US government is pushing for greater VPN access.

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They're pushing for greater VPN access. I think it's a good thing.

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It's smooth. Goes down easy.

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Just like this intro to our intro.

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The show is brought to you today by Manscaped, The Ridge and Acronis,

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along with our chair partner, Secret Lab and our laptop partner, LG.

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Why don't we jump right into our first topic, which is of course that I was wrong this week.

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Yeah. Twice. Now I assume that you have watched literally nothing.

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Nope. I assume you know, I mean, I don't think there are any two tech products

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that you could care less about than the iPhone and the PlayStation.

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Yep. Yeah. So why don't I catch you up on exactly what happened

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and then we'll go from...

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Wow. It's been three minutes

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and we've already thrown something at our producer.

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I'm sorry, I was talking.

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Why don't we, what do you wanna start with? Should I catch you up on the iPhone or should I?

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Let's do the iPhone. Okay. So Apple announced the iPhone 16 lineup.

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So you got the 16, the 16 plus the 16 Pro

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and the 16 Pro Max. If I recall correctly, honestly,

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I'm not obsessed with Apple's lineup and figuring out exactly what it is.

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I'll look at it when I need to and I'll refresh myself, but other than that,

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it honestly isn't something that I pay that close attention to. But this time around,

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and this made people pretty angry, I was approaching the iPhone announcement event

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from a bit of a different perspective. So I feel like and what happened was our video

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ended up having a pretty positive overall spin on it

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when largely the reaction from the tech press

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and sort of influencer army out there was pretty negative.

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But I'd like to explain why. So first of all,

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let's talk about what makes the iPhone 16 lineup new.

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They're getting the new A18 processor family.

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So we have a regular A18 in the iPhone 16

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and then an A18 Pro in the iPhone 16 Pro.

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to one single predecessor. They compared them to different things.

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they seem like they're probably pretty close. So it looks like they're very similar

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in terms of the at least TPU performance, GPU performance and neural processor performance.

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But all of this is going to become more clear as time goes on.

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There's upgraded glass. So their ceramic shield is now significantly stronger.

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I actually don't have a summary of the specs

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in my notes, which I normally have when I run through something like this.

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So we'll have to kind of figure that out. But the things that really stood out to me

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were actually not necessarily the hardware. Oh, there's a new button.

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There's like a programmable button. Just kind of cool action button, which I kind of like.

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Was that ever a thing in the past? On the iPhone?

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I read some comments of people talking about like, oh, they took the button away

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so that they could give it back to us now. And I was like, what?

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I mean, they had the home button, but that wasn't programmable.

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Did they have like a button? Action button was on the 15 Pro. Yeah, it was on the 15 Pro,

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but now it's on the regular 16. So there were a few things that people were pretty,

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and the camera button is new across the board. So we have a dedicated shutter button,

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but no, no iPhone in the past has ever had a shutter button.

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So there were a couple of things that people were pretty upset about.

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And one of them was that in the video, I said that I was probably gonna go,

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cause I've been talking about switching to an iPhone for a little bit, for a while now.

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And I think I'm just, I'm overdue. And there's a lot of things about iOS 18

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that are looking very compelling to me. And there's some Android,

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there's some Android Army members who are telling me that these aren't new features to Apple,

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or that they're copied from Android, or that they don't make that much of a difference,

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or whatever. But the reality of it is that to me,

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like the phone operating system that I use doesn't really matter,

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and I don't really care who's copying from each other. Realistically, Google and Apple copy liberally

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from each other at this point. And it doesn't really matter to me

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where it originated from. What matters to me is that I need a new device right now,

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and the iPhone 16 lineup actually looks pretty compelling.

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I think that's kind of the root of where your thoughts on this stuff came from,

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was that you need a new device and you're on an old one.

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And I think you and I even talked about this, I don't remember.

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But a lot of people that are unhappy with the event,

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it's because they have a current generation device, and they're looking at the upgrade and going,

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this doesn't really seem like a lot. But we're at, I mean, it's called iPhone 16.

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The jumps per generation is gonna slow down. Phones have been boring for a long time now.

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And the way I'm kind of looking at it is you can be disappointed quite genuinely

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every single generation,

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or you can start shifting your goalposts a little bit and look like one or two generations back

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for your improvement jumps. And I think it's gonna be more than one or two.

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I think realistically, what this comes down to is that the days of us getting something major

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to upgrade to every single generation,

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not only are they dead, but they've been dead for a long time.

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I completely agree. I've been over it for a few years now at the very least.

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And so I guess that was,

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and the amount of speculation that we were paid by Apple

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to have kind of a positive spin on, guys, anytime you see someone who accuses us

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of being paid by Apple to be positive about Apple products,

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you can immediately just dismiss anything. Were you even invited to the event?

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No, of course not. Yeah. Apple's still the extent of Apple's media relationship

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with me up until now is that they emailed me once.

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Are they kind of cool with Mac Address? Oh, I don't know if they are.

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No one has kept me up to date on it. Okay, I don't know. I'm not sure.

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Maybe, but as far as I am concerned,

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and as far as the LTT channel is concerned, Apple has never gone past scheduling

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a conference call with me. They never actually went through with the call.

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It did get scheduled, but it was canceled minutes before we actually went through with

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engaging for the first time. Apple has no interest in working together with me.

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So people were mad about a number of things. They were mad because they felt

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we were overly positive about the event. And I think that a big part of that comes down

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to that difference in perspective, where most of the rest of the tech media,

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if they're running a 15 Pro now, or a 15 Pro Max, are looking at this going,

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oh, boring. Yeah. Where's the innovation, Apple?

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And I think they just have to get used to the idea that that's gonna happen over a much longer cycle,

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whereas I'm looking at it going, man, my AirPods Pro 2s just got way better.

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Ages after I bought them, which I'm pretty stoked on. I didn't even know that was a thing.

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That sounds great. It's a kind of behavior that... What feature are you gaining?

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For me personally, not much. They're optimizing the noise cancellation.

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They're adding some like... And this is retroactive to what you have now?

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Yeah, it looks like it's like some kind of machine learning assisted,

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quickly switching in between transparency mode for conversations and turning everything back up. Oh, that thing looks really cool.

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Yep. It's something that absolutely exists in other products,

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but my assumption is that based on how well Apple has handled active noise cancellation,

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it'll actually be implemented pretty well and I might actually use it.

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They're also adding like hearing aid-like functionality to AirPods.

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I've been using them as casual hearing protection for a long time, but they are more formally talking

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about using them that way with the improved active noise cancellation.

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If you cancel out a wave, the wave is canceled.

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No, I was thinking, you mentioned hearing aid and then noise protection.

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Both. I thought you were saying those were the same thing for a second.

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No, not the same thing. But you're talking about different stuff.

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So I thought that was pretty cool. I actually opened the video on like a software update,

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essentially, and I think a lot of people were kind of surprised to see that.

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The other thing that people kind of went after me for was that I told them my intention was to go with

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the iPhone 16 Plus, the non-Pro.

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And a lot of the feedback that I got on that

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was Linus, you know, if you're gonna go into

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the Apple ecosystem for the first time in a long time,

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you should be having the full experience. But the reality of it is guys, like I can pick any iPhone

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I want, like we're ordering all of them through work.

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I just literally grab off the shelf, whichever one I want to use.

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But the reason that I went with the iPhone 16

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or iPhone 16 Plus, I haven't actually 100% decided which one I want, I'm gonna hold them first,

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is that I don't think people should be buying the Pro.

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Don't get me wrong. I don't know what the difference is. There's features on the Pro that I would like to have.

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The regular iPhone 16 still doesn't have a high refresh rate display.

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Ooh. Yeah. 60 Hertz. Which for like $800?

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Aye. Pretty embarrassing.

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But most of the other stuff that's, then again, neither does the device

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that I am upgrading from. It feels nicer.

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I have a high refresh rate screen now I can feel it. It does.

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But I guess what I've discovered is for my phone,

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I don't know if I, I don't game on my phone.

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It does make touch feel more responsive. I can absolutely instantly tell

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if I'm using a high refresh rate device. And things like higher polling rates on the touch input,

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it definitely makes a difference. But I think I have just become not that much of a power user.

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And a lot of the other features on the Pro, I just don't need them.

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The studio quality microphone, 4K 120 FPS recording.

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I don't need that stuff.

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It's got another, I think it's got another camera. I don't know man. The iPhone's ability to film in log

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makes video on iPhone extremely interesting.

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Sure, but I'm not using it professionally. This is just my phone.

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Do I need to shoot 4K 120 on it?

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Like I can, they added. I could see it. They added ProRes recording to the non-Pro.

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So if I just want to record in ProRes and I don't need 120 frames per second.

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Is there ever like, you never want to shoot like a little slow-mo thing of your son playing

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badminton or something like that? I don't know. Sure, do I need it at 4K?

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Oh, it's four, okay. So you could still do. Okay, yeah, oh yeah. I can still do high, I can still do high frame rate.

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I just, yeah, it's just, it's a lot.

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People are saying, okay, yeah, the LiDAR. The LiDAR is great.

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You know what? That is great. I don't take that many pictures.

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And the handful of features that need the depth sensing.

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I can, I know enough people that I can borrow a phone from.

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Like there's been, I think it's come up twice. Once when I had to do a facial scan for that VR headset,

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the big screen beyond. And once when I was a bit part,

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I, when I had a bit part in an undisclosed film that I don't know if it's ever even gonna get made

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at this point. I haven't heard back about it in a while, whatever.

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Anyway, I used it to scan the room that I was in

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because that was useful for them for VFX like overlays.

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I wonder if part of this is people that, can you pre-order yet?

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I think we've placed orders. Did they set up pre-orders already? I actually don't know.

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It's a minor detail. I have procurement. We'll take care of that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a way to go. It's nice.

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What was I gonna say? I wonder if some of this is people that bought the pro

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that are, yes, you can, you can pre-order it. I wonder if this is people that bought the pro

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that want the tech guy to make the same decision they did.

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I do think there's a lot of that. And I can see why they would want to

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because it's $1,500 Canadian. It's Canadian.

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This is Canadian. So it starts at, I believe, 1,200 U.S.

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And it is funny. It is funny to me seeing how many people

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are legitimately angry at me. Like I've betrayed them. The pro max is 1,750.

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Because I'm using an iPhone.

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The pro max is what my car cost.

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It's not my current one. Yeah, I was gonna say. Surely that's not right. No, my first car.

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I'm sorry. You're getting older. Your first car was a minute ago. You might have to have some inflationary adjustments,

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which we'll be talking about a little bit later. It's still a lot of money.

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Yeah, I mean, we're, and so I was, realistically, I was looking at the iPhone 16 going,

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okay, is this really, do I need a titanium phone?

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Or is aluminum probably okay? Are you gonna end up, that was not in a case?

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Are you gonna put it in a case anyways? No, I'm not gonna put it in a case. Yeah, okay.

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But like, it's aluminum, and dude, their glass is like very shatter resistant.

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So I'm really not that worried about it. I used to be no case. I was no case with my previous phone.

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This phone's so huge that I decided to get a case for it

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anyways, because I was like, I feel like it's just gonna get knocked off of things more often,

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because it's enormous, and I'm happy I have one. Look at this.

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There's a massive bite out of that corner. Oh wow, yeah, you really hit that one.

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Yeah. She, that case is doing work. And it is actually, it's been dropped a couple of times,

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but something that's kind of nice about it is that I just don't care,

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because I don't even like the phone. Nice.

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But I don't want to replace it. So there's a case on it, but I don't care for it,

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if that makes sense. So it's just like, ah, whatever. Yep.

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Which is a nice, it's nice to just not worry about it.

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Another difference for the pro, is that the bezels are slightly smaller.

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So in about the same form factor there, the screens are 0.2 inches bigger.

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But then if I cared that much about that, why would I get an iPhone with like a giant forehead notch

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in it in the first place? Like I, I don't know guys. I mean, feel free, feel free to like come at me

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and let me know. But I think that people should probably just be getting

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the regular 16 if they, if they want an iPhone, if they want the ecosystem.

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And it's funny to me how we get so stuck in our tech bubble,

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and we get so stuck in our sort of, in our priorities

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that sometimes we forget that most people don't care.

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Most people cannot tell a 60 Hertz display

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from a high refresh rate display. Are also only looking to upgrade their phones

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when their battery life starts to annoy them too much, which is usually every like three years.

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Or more, more. Like my battery life didn't really start getting bad

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on this until about the last year or so. And I believe this is up to,

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I believe this is six years. It probably depends on their usage. Like if they game a lot,

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so they're doing some really brutal battery cycles,

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and it's going to be sooner, if they don't later, et cetera, et cetera.

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Nokey asks, you often say you prefer a phone where you can take photos and videos

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of kids important moments. Would the iPhone 16 shutter button be a good addition for you?

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I never need to be that quick on the draw. Like as long as I've got a gesture

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that I can activate in a reasonable amount of time, and the on screen button is there

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in a reasonable amount of time. Like I am, I'm so well adjusted now

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to the ergonomics of holding my phone so that my thumb is here for the shutter button.

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I just, the value of a dedicated hardware button for that,

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for me is extremely low, extremely low.

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There's still things that I'm super not impressed about.

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I mean, the fact that Apple's base storage is still 128 gigs.

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I was just going to talk about that. On devices that cost like a flip and ton of money,

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the fact that storage upgrades cost so much.

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$300 to go from 512 gigs to one terabyte is.

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We did the math, Luke. Crazy. Apple literally charges so much

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that their NAND flash chips could be made of gold.

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Literally, we got, no, I'm serious. We grabbed some pieces of the golden controller

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and we compared them to NAND chips.

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And we did the math and how much gold it was

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to weigh as much as Apple's NAND chips.

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And wait for wait, Apple storage and memory

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cost as much as gold. Was this for a video? Yeah.

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I was gonna say, why would you need the pieces from the gold? It was, I believe it was from the.

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You just weigh the other one and then look up gold value. I believe it was, well, yeah, but we had the gold

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so we could do it physically. That's why I said, is it for a video? Cause it's for a video, then it's a cool visual thing.

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Anyways. Yeah, so it was freaking hilarious, right?

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Though, because it's crazy.

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It's like when you compare printer ink to Chanel number,

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whatever, like these obscenely valuable liquids.

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Funny enough, I watched that video. Oh.

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The like printer video? Yeah, yeah. I watched that one. You're one of the very few who did.

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I didn't watch, yeah. Terrible performer. How'd you like it?

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I was actually, it was pretty good. Yeah, I didn't know about the whole tank thing and stuff.

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There was one really mad comment that was saying, everyone knows you should just get

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an older laser printer. They had a bunch of upvotes.

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I get these questions all the time. And it's like. Like genuinely.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They were like, everyone knows like our advice was bad.

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They didn't get to the part of the video where we talked about that. Oh, oh, very cool.

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I can't, I can't help people. I can't help them.

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Any who. So I'm kind of excited to try it,

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even though I'm definitely gonna have some issues.

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I don't think that having USB 2 speeds is gonna bother me that much.

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Day to day, I very rarely offload. I noticed Plex actually.

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Wait, why is it USB 2 speeds? On the 16 non-pro, it's USB 2, even though it's USB-C.

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Like, look, there's absolutely stuff that is gonna make me mad.

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But how often, when's the last time you offloaded photos from your phone via USB?

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Yeah, that's fair. When's the last time you connected your phone to a computer via USB?

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Oh, decently often. Okay, to transfer files though? No.

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Okay, so who cares? Yeah.

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Who cares? I do think it's interesting.

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Do they have any color overlap? Oh, black and white.

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Crystal asks, will you miss your S pen? The answer is absolutely.

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I have become, I've gone from, why are they taking up space in my note

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with this stupid pen to whenever I want it,

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I really want it, predominantly for marking up screenshots.

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Why don't you get a new note? Is it just Apple time?

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Yeah, I could, it's just time. Apple time? Yeah, it's just time.

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So basically, I think that's what it boils down to.

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And you know what the last part I think is?

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Is, I mean, we've talked about this on the WAN Show, so you guys will kind of be familiar with this already,

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but I'm so tired of negativity.

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It's like, why do we have to compare it to last year's iPhone 15 and say it's not enough?

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What do you mean it's not enough? If it's not enough, then keep your iPhone 15.

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Yeah. That's totally fine. That's maybe even good.

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That's good. You just, yeah, who cares? If anything, I would actually,

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now that our mobile processors, especially Apple's,

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are fast enough to do pretty much whatever we could need to do on our phone, reasonably speaking,

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I would actually love to see less frequent upgrades

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and longer software support or whatever that looks like, because you gotta remember,

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Apple is driven somewhat differently

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from other phone manufacturers. They are a lot less motivated

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by the initial sale of the iPhone, to be clear. Oh, they're happy to grab it, though.

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They're happy to take your money, but they are far more motivated

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by the size of the iOS ecosystem

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and the number of people that are buying stupid, man,

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they've all unpicked up wordscapes, like the mobile, like word, crossword,

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spelling, de-jumble thing. And I've been playing with her sometimes.

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Dude, dude, the lengths that they go to.

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We're go-kitting into playing boomer games with our partners.

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Nice. What is happening? I play the New York time games with Emma.

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A wordle or whatever it is. And yeah, those things. And you play wordscapes?

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Yeah. How the mighty fall. Nice, I know, right?

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We used to be true gamers. I used to play Left 4 Dead 2

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with my posture like this, boys.

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Oh, boy. Sorry to keep going. Ooh.

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I heard that. Yeah, so we've been playing wordscapes lately. Dude, the lengths that they go to,

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to extract money from you. Oh, I'm sure. Apple gets a piece of every one of those transactions.

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At the end of the day, the most important thing to you is that you are on an iPhone.

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Not necessarily that you are on the latest iPhone, but that you are on an iPhone.

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Because the bigger the install base is, the more of that sweet, sweet app store money

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they're extracting from you, and the more incentivized app developers are

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to continue to prioritize the iOS platform.

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So, I forget where I was going with this.

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What was my last reason? I forget, it doesn't matter.

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Let's talk about the PlayStation 5 Pro announcement.

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This was a little more recent, so I'm gonna remember all the details a little bit better,

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but in a nutshell, Sony upgraded the GPU.

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I was a little surprised. Oh, we also get Wi-Fi 7, higher base storage.

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I'm trying to think if there's anything else that was really upgraded going from the PS5 to the PS5 Pro,

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and I don't think so. There were some things I was a little surprised by.

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I didn't expect the CPU to stay Zen 2.

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Yeah. Already when the PS5 came out, I remember feeling like,

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oh yeah, it makes sense that it's Zen 2 because the development cycle for this is so long

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that it would have had to be, but boy would it ever have been nice if they,

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if the dev kits were all Zen 2 and it was like Zen 3 for the real products, you know?

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So, I was a little surprised to see Zen 2 stick around,

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but it also kind of makes sense.

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Wait, hold on, what's going on here? Okay, hold on. We'll get to the PS5 Pro in a second.

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Shraff and Floatplane Chat says, Linus, this is such a disconnected take.

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When a product costs $1,200 and there's no improvement to justify it,

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that's when we should be negative. This is a consumer protection issue.

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No. Not at all. A consumer protection issue would be

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if Apple tells you it's something that it isn't. Yeah. A consumer protection issue would be

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if Apple deactivates your iPhone 15 Pro

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and forces you to buy an iPhone 16 Pro. You are not compelled to buy this.

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This is not food, it's not shelter, it's not water.

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It's a fucking iPhone. But if you have a 15 or especially like a 15 Pro.

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You don't need a new phone. Yeah. Which is not a bad thing.

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Like that's the biggest take from the event

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from me is that you don't need it. And I am certain, honestly, it might have even already

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happened because I just don't care that much because I'm not going to upgrade my phone.

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Yeah. But whatever new pixel announcement, I'm not upgrading to it.

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So like I don't even really care what it is. What I'm looking for is gonna end up being

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like the pixel 10 or 11. Yeah. When that launches, I'm gonna be evaluating that

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versus whatever iPhone is launching at the same time in comparison to the phone that I currently have

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and deciding, am I gonna get a battery replacement or am I gonna buy one of these phones?

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Yeah, so. And then I'm interested in it. Basically, back to my point of us being more focused

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on like the positive aspects. Remember too, guys, this isn't a review.

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This is a summary of a product announcement. So obviously, I'm gonna talk about the highlights.

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Why do I wanna drag myself down? Why do I wanna drag everything down

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by dwelling on the negative? And at the end of the day,

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if it's not a big enough upgrade over last gen, well, that's fine because Apple's not targeting last gen.

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They're not selling it to last gen. The question is not,

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the question is not, is $1,200 compelling enough

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for someone who already owns an iPhone 15 Pro? That's a stupid question

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because it's not $1,200. It's $1,200 minus whatever you could sell your 15 Pro for.

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That's the actual value. And that, I don't know, that's up to you. I have no idea what they're worth in the secondary market

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that you can go figure that out. The question is, is $1,200 worth it

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for someone who needs a phone? And so, I think that's the difference.

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And it looks like just on the surface to me, like it looks like, yeah, probably.

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That's the difference in perspective that I wanna start approaching things with,

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is as someone who is the actual target market

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for this product. Okay, so let's go back to the PS5 Pro.

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So the main things are it's got a better GPU, similar architecture, which again surprised me

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because we gotta remember this product launched four years ago, I think it works out too, right?

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PS5 came out in 2020. PS5 released the PS5, no, not the slim,

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or was it 2022? Yeah, November 2020 was when the PS5 launched.

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So four years later, I was kind of expecting,

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you know, I don't know, Zen 3 at the very least,

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I was expecting an architectural change to the GPU,

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but then as I was sort of working through the script

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with David, I was like, no, it actually makes sense

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because from Sony's perspective,

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the most important thing, because this is a mid-cycle refresh,

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that realistically, they aren't going to sell a ton of.

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Especially if you compare this to base PS5s or PS4s, right?

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These Pro models are furthermore affluent customers,

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therefore they're more the more discerning console gamer,

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right? You know, it slips tea like this, right? Who can definitely see the difference in the pixels?

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Oh, you know, realistically, who can see the higher refresh and higher frame rates?

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So making sure that developers have continuity

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between the regular model and between the Pro model

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is way more important than squeezing a little bit more performance out of it.

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Wi-Fi 7, I think, is actually a pretty important upgrade

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that is maybe not being talked about enough, especially by us.

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Like we turned that video around extremely quickly

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and so there were a couple things that I think weren't necessarily wrong,

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but are things that I would probably want to do differently to go back. I would talk about Wi-Fi 7

431
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:02,580
and especially in the PlayStation ecosystem where you might have a PS portal

432
00:33:03,660 --> 00:33:07,060
and your PlayStation 5 Pro is not connected via Ethernet.

433
00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:13,460
Having Wi-Fi 7 and a Wi-Fi 7 router, even if your PS portal doesn't support Wi-Fi 7,

434
00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:18,260
which it doesn't because it's a PS portal, it would be better to have a stronger connection

435
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:22,220
between the PS 5 Pro and your routers. It's still better.

436
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:25,820
The better every link in the chain can be, the better off you're going to be.

437
00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:31,620
So Wi-Fi 7 is something I would have talked about more. I also would have more explicitly talked about

438
00:33:31,620 --> 00:33:35,980
the lack of a disk drive. That was something that we kind of glossed over.

439
00:33:35,980 --> 00:33:41,060
And at the very beginning, we had a bit where by the time you buy a stand,

440
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:46,040
and I think David and I had talked about how the visuals should also have the disk drive

441
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,020
and it should just like add up the whole price and compare it to a thing. Cause we said something along the lines of like,

442
00:33:51,020 --> 00:33:55,460
by the time you buy a disk drive, this thing costs darn near twice as much

443
00:33:55,460 --> 00:33:59,460
as a base model PlayStation or cost about twice.

444
00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:05,940
I forget exactly how we worded it. And I probably would have expanded on that more later

445
00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:11,300
because I think that people were pretty upset when they felt like we were justifying the price.

446
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:16,140
When we talked about how it wasn't Sony's most expensive console ever,

447
00:34:16,140 --> 00:34:22,820
that crown actually corrected for inflation, goes to the PS3, which came out at 599,

448
00:34:22,820 --> 00:34:25,820
but that was back in, man, when did the PS3 come out?

449
00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:29,580
Like 2002? Oh boy, I'm going to get this wrong.

450
00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:33,060
2006, okay. So that came out way back in 2006.

451
00:34:35,060 --> 00:34:40,420
I said I'd touch on inflation. Quite a few people were really upset

452
00:34:40,420 --> 00:34:44,740
that we made a with inflation comparison to the PS3.

453
00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:49,340
And I'd like to explain why we did that. And the reason they were upset was because,

454
00:34:49,340 --> 00:34:52,540
and I get this, people are sick

455
00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:57,540
of seeing a price justified today because of inflation.

456
00:34:58,660 --> 00:35:04,380
Well, it's reasonable for it to be $700 because if you compare that to $500 for the PS3,

457
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:10,180
inflationarily, they're very similar. In fact, that was more dollars back then.

458
00:35:10,180 --> 00:35:13,380
But that wasn't what we were saying. We weren't trying to justify the price.

459
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:17,780
In fact, the very opening of the video. Wages haven't scaled with inflation. I'll get to, yes, I'll get to that.

460
00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:23,820
We weren't trying to justify the price, though. What we were saying was there's a precedent for this.

461
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:27,300
That's what we were saying. This isn't their most expensive console.

462
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:31,940
So is that like one of the communication things that you would have wanted to change something? I would have wanted to clarify that.

463
00:35:31,940 --> 00:35:35,500
And I can see why people are upset about it because, yeah,

464
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:39,260
their wages haven't flipping scaled with inflation.

465
00:35:39,260 --> 00:35:43,140
So the buying power of that much money is not the same

466
00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:47,340
even if it's the same inflationary wise. Exactly.

467
00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:50,500
However, something that I feel like

468
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,540
a lot of people overlook in stuff like this

469
00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:59,420
is that the costing of a product from a company, from a consumer electronics company like Sony

470
00:35:59,420 --> 00:36:03,380
is contingent on their costs for their sourcing.

471
00:36:03,940 --> 00:36:07,860
Do you think Sony makes power supplies?

472
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:12,580
Does Sony have a power supply manufacturing plant?

473
00:36:12,580 --> 00:36:16,180
Do you think it's that? I think it's more that there's no competition really in the space.

474
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:19,620
We talk about that. But I just want to talk about the importance

475
00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:25,700
of why this inflation number matters. Sony buys power supplies from light on.

476
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:32,020
And those power supplies cost more now than they used to, yeah, yeah. Because commodity prices have gone up in inflation.

477
00:36:32,020 --> 00:36:35,220
Do you think Sony manufactures microprocessors?

478
00:36:37,420 --> 00:36:42,060
No. Do you think Sony has their own iron mines

479
00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:46,900
where they get iron to make steel?

480
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:50,340
If we were talking about Samsung, maybe who knows, they do everything. That's true, but we're not.

481
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:53,860
But Sony, no. Does Sony manufacture DRAM?

482
00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:58,180
No. Sony is their designer,

483
00:36:58,180 --> 00:37:01,220
but they don't actually manufacture

484
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:05,140
just about any of the raw materials

485
00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:10,580
of a PlayStation 5. Like certainly they're doing board assembly. And just like EmHop pointed out in the Philippine chat,

486
00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:14,580
fab time is huge right now. Fab time is crazy right now.

487
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:19,380
Yeah, Ranmachan says, I saw a chart yesterday that showed how much TSMC is essentially gouging companies

488
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:24,340
due to manufacturing capacity and it's rough. And that was why the second thing I said was microprocessors.

489
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:29,380
Yeah, Sony doesn't make microprocessors. We are in an environment right now

490
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:35,020
where there's an effective monopoly on cutting edge node microprocessors.

491
00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:40,260
As much as it's been kind of hilarious for people who hate Intel, many of whom are justified,

492
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:46,580
to watch them struggle with the rollout of their fab business, we should be rooting for them

493
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:51,380
because Samsung has proven time and time again that they're just not gonna catch TSMC.

494
00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:53,420
Here's a hot take. Then again, so is Intel.

495
00:37:54,660 --> 00:38:01,180
I'm surprised they're as cheap as they are. With how few people can make them cough cough one place.

496
00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:09,020
I think we're lucky that they're not making it way worse.

497
00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:13,220
And maybe they're not making it way worse because they know other companies would then

498
00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:17,580
have more opportunity to spring into the space and they would rather there's less people competing

499
00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:21,020
so they're happy to take their really significant cut

500
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:24,860
that they are, but they have an effective monopoly on cutting edge chips.

501
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:29,660
And the fact that they're not like just astronomically more expensive is I think we're...

502
00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:33,420
Yeah, I remember seeing a quote from, I think it was TSMC's chairman or something like that,

503
00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:40,180
basically making the observation that NVIDIA is sure charging a lot for these AI processors.

504
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:45,540
Yeah, yeah, I don't remember that quote, but I know what you're talking about. Yeah, like, huh, we could take more of that

505
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:49,020
because who else is gonna make it? Nobody, no one. No one.

506
00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:53,260
Like they could effectively charge,

507
00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:56,380
there's limits to this, but practically anything for certain product lines

508
00:38:56,380 --> 00:39:00,540
that like, a government is not gonna just not buy it.

509
00:39:00,540 --> 00:39:05,140
Yep. So like, I don't know. I think, yeah, I think the fact that you can go out

510
00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:09,260
and buy a very respectable, super solid CPU

511
00:39:09,260 --> 00:39:12,300
for your computer for like a hundred bucks is...

512
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:17,140
And it's from a monopoly that you're also going through middlemen for is wild.

513
00:39:17,140 --> 00:39:20,900
Like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

514
00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:24,940
I think... They're cheap because they're a loss leader.

515
00:39:24,940 --> 00:39:28,620
You buy the console and Sony gets the licenses when you sell the games.

516
00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:31,900
They have no competition right now. Yeah, but you don't decide that. That too.

517
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:37,180
That's not up to you. Yeah, and when there is no competition, there's no real reason for them to do that.

518
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:42,500
Yep. And who's competing with the PlayStation 5 Pro right now?

519
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:46,660
Microsoft? Yeah. No?

520
00:39:46,660 --> 00:39:50,240
Yeah. Not even a little bit. My understanding is the rumors

521
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,400
that Microsoft has actually canned their mid-generation refresh.

522
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,680
I don't know if that will end up being true or if that's even the recent rumor mill.

523
00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:03,660
But Sony is effectively competing against absolutely nobody.

524
00:40:03,660 --> 00:40:09,500
And what they're selling is an experience that only has a value to those few who value it.

525
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:12,980
And back to our conversation about the iPhone.

526
00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:16,940
Cause I think that in both cases, a lot of the criticism of our coverage

527
00:40:16,940 --> 00:40:24,340
came down to the same thing. Guys, Sony is not selling PlayStation 5 owners

528
00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:30,860
a $700 upgrade. Sony is selling people who want to buy a console,

529
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:32,920
a $700 console.

530
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,500
And if you want a disc version, yeah, you're gonna have to pay another 80 bucks

531
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:39,980
for an add-on disc drive.

532
00:40:40,940 --> 00:40:44,740
Dude, the writing's been on the wall for game discs forever.

533
00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:48,660
I think this is... Getting to the last generation with disc drives.

534
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:50,140
Oh, man.

535
00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:55,920
I hope not. Yeah. I hope not. Me too.

536
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,180
No. I think we're gonna get one more.

537
00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:04,380
I think PlayStation 6 has a disc drive, but I think that it is,

538
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:07,740
I think that it moves to this add-on model

539
00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:11,340
that we have now. And I think they de-emphasize it extremely heavily.

540
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:13,740
And then I don't think PlayStation 7 has one.

541
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:20,420
Okay, well, sorry, what was I saying? Right, so they're selling a $700 PlayStation

542
00:41:20,420 --> 00:41:24,000
to someone who wants a PlayStation 5, but a bit better.

543
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:28,780
And if you have a PlayStation 5 and you were going to upgrade to it,

544
00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:32,420
you wouldn't be paying $700. So, PlayStation 5. You would be selling your PlayStation 5

545
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:35,660
and you'd be paying whatever the difference is. So you'd probably get a few hundred bucks for your PS5

546
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:39,380
and you'd pay $400 or whatever, which if we're being realistic,

547
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:41,740
four years into this product's life cycle,

548
00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:45,700
it's not a ridiculous amount of money.

549
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:50,980
I wouldn't pay it. I have personally never bought a PlayStation.

550
00:41:50,980 --> 00:41:55,060
That's not true. You've never bought a current-gen PlayStation?

551
00:41:55,060 --> 00:41:58,340
No, I've never bought a PlayStation. I was given a PlayStation 2.

552
00:41:58,340 --> 00:42:02,620
Oh, you were given that? Yeah, I own it, but I didn't buy it.

553
00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:05,980
All right, fair enough. Because I knew you had one. Yeah, I got a PS2. All right, fair.

554
00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:08,740
I thought I got you. No, it was a gift.

555
00:42:09,740 --> 00:42:13,940
Okay, so question, I'm jumping off topic from PlayStation.

556
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:18,060
Do you have anything else to say about PlayStation? No, just we're evaluating it

557
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:21,900
from the perspective of someone who's interested in buying it. And I think that's something

558
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:26,660
that our viewers are just gonna have to get used to. We are not evaluating it from the perspective

559
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:30,020
of someone who hates consoles and thinks they're stupid.

560
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:34,420
Yeah. And we're going to be realistic. Like it was, I don't know.

561
00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:40,020
It's tough seeing people say, yeah, it's easy for someone like you

562
00:42:40,020 --> 00:42:43,220
to come down and millionaire explain to us

563
00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:46,580
why it costs so much, but you're just out of touch.

564
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:49,980
It's like, well, okay, but if someone else said it,

565
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:53,340
would it be more true? The information doesn't change.

566
00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:56,540
Or less true, because what it really boils down to

567
00:42:56,540 --> 00:43:00,540
is that there's about 200, 250 bucks worth of GPU

568
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:03,780
and SSD upgrade in this thing. Stop millionaire explaining to me.

569
00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:07,100
And it costs about 200, 250 bucks more,

570
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:11,100
kind of depending on how you want to do the math. Yeah. And it's like...

571
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:15,740
They're gonna make money off it because they have no competition. So that's what companies do.

572
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:19,620
And it's like, and we're not, I'm not being an apologist.

573
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:23,220
I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying it is.

574
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:30,260
Sorry. Yeah.

575
00:43:30,260 --> 00:43:33,340
The whole iPhone thing, the comment that I saw a few times

576
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:35,140
after we moved off the topic was that

577
00:43:36,380 --> 00:43:41,500
we were ignoring negatives. In the video that you did for the iPhone thing,

578
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:46,080
did you mention anything about how like, it's cool, whatever, but it might not make sense

579
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,020
for you to upgrade if you're on 15? I just thought that was obvious.

580
00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:54,100
I did not mention that it might not make sense

581
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:57,420
to upgrade from the 15. That wasn't my perspective.

582
00:43:59,020 --> 00:44:05,080
And I think this comes back to a point that you've kind of been hammering on for a while.

583
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,280
We don't need everyone to have that perspective.

584
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,360
Oh yeah, for sure. If you want that perspective,

585
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,720
you should be watching a video from someone who has an iPhone 15.

586
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:20,240
I don't. If you are seriously considering this thing, I would watch...

587
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,920
I would value, personally, like actually completely detaching myself

588
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,560
as much as possible. I would value seeing your video

589
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,280
because it's a different take. And then I would watch a range of other videos

590
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:37,240
that also have other takes. And then I would find where my opinion is on it

591
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:40,600
somewhere in the middle or whatever.

592
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,040
Maybe I align perfectly with someone who knows. But like, you figure out where it is.

593
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,260
But I don't personally even want a reality

594
00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:52,120
where every single piece of content on a product is exactly the same.

595
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,320
Because if that happens, there will only be one reviewer left.

596
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,800
Yeah, and there's no... Because eventually people will stop watching all the other ones.

597
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,360
There's no value to it. No one wants that. This is a funny thing.

598
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,400
I often get asked by up-and-comers or people who want to start a tech channel.

599
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,840
You know, like, do you have any advice on my style?

600
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,160
Like, what can I do to make my videos more like you? And I'm like, you don't.

601
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,120
Yeah, make your own. You should have your own ideas. You should have your own perspective.

602
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,640
However much the audience is gonna yell at you for not exactly copying what everyone else does.

603
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,280
In the long term, it's better. They'll value it.

604
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:34,680
And the proof is in the pudding. My perspectives, my takes have changed over the years.

605
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,920
And that's not flip-flopping. That's being open to new information

606
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,920
and new ideas and new perspectives. Theoretically, if you follow the scientific method,

607
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,800
your stances on things should change with new information.

608
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,560
You should be trying to have the most accurate one you can. And I did mention some negative things.

609
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,260
Like, I mentioned that you can get cheap Android phones

610
00:45:57,300 --> 00:46:02,140
that have high refresh rate displays when I talked about the 60 Hertz display on the non-Pro.

611
00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:06,060
I mentioned that I would miss side loading and that I would probably still need

612
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:10,900
to have an Android device handy. Like, I did acknowledge issues.

613
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:15,860
It's not like I'm just trying to, yeah, it's not like I'm just trying to like

614
00:46:15,860 --> 00:46:18,940
be an Apple apologist all of a sudden.

615
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:22,580
I'm never gonna get an invite to one of their events. That's never going to happen.

616
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:27,020
And like, honestly, it really just doesn't matter anymore. I don't know if you'd want to go.

617
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:33,180
It would be so much more work to make the same video that I would make in my basement.

618
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:36,420
Yeah, because you're just watching the keynote anyways. Yeah, so like...

619
00:46:36,420 --> 00:46:41,780
So like, why am I there? Yeah, I don't know. Like, I can get hands on with it,

620
00:46:41,780 --> 00:46:45,860
but let's be real, it's an iPhone. Like, that's...

621
00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:57,740
All right. Okay. We've bashed the things that you were wrong about.

622
00:46:57,740 --> 00:47:00,820
Yeah. Moving on. Should we do this one?

623
00:47:00,820 --> 00:47:02,620
I'm still wondering what this one is.

624
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:07,100
Oh. Oh, sure. Yeah, we could do a couple of merge messages.

625
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:11,060
Sure. I mean, that was kind of like two topics, right? Yeah, I think that was two topics.

626
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:15,980
If you guys want to interact with the show, you know, send a little message to producer Dan

627
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:20,300
so he can put it at the bottom of the screen or send you a little response or forward it internally.

628
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:23,580
The way to do it is a merge message. We don't want you wasting your money

629
00:47:23,580 --> 00:47:26,980
just throwing it at the screen. If you want to throw money at the screen,

630
00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:30,380
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631
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Heads up. Which is nuts. Heads up. This is kind of for our big boys out there, okay?

647
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:37,540
We have very limited stock of the smaller sizes.

648
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:41,100
We're stocked a little bit deeper on the bigger sizes,

649
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:45,820
but the discount will apply automatically when you have both a mystery color block hoodie

650
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:49,860
and a pair of Wanswet pants in your cart. So if you're looking to send a merch message

651
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:53,380
while being able to get some stuff that's on sale that won't be available for much longer,

652
00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:56,820
now is your chance. Also on the store, the offsite laptop bag

653
00:48:56,820 --> 00:49:02,540
is available again. To be clear, guys, it is not going to fit

654
00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:05,980
an Ohio class submarine in it. It is a laptop bag.

655
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:09,180
It is not a, what are they called?

656
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:14,100
The like messenger bags? Yeah, it's not a messenger bag. This is a laptop bag.

657
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:19,380
Sorry for any miscommunication around that. LMG.GG slash laptop bag, it's up there.

658
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:24,100
And I guess that's all we have to say about merch messages. So all you got to do is add something to your cart.

659
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:27,860
You'll see a little box for a merch message. That'll go to producer Dan. Let's show you how it works, Dan.

660
00:49:27,860 --> 00:49:34,780
Hit me with a merch message. Sure thing. Hey, Lidar Nuke and Duo and PVS 14.9 Vision Monocular.

661
00:49:34,940 --> 00:49:38,300
Sure. Sure. I knew that thing. Yeah, cool.

662
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:43,500
If given the choice and that it was unproblematic, would you choose to cover older military tech?

663
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:46,100
If not, if so, under what circumstances?

664
00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:51,100
Older military tech. Yeah, I don't see why we wouldn't cover

665
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:55,380
a military tech thing. The issue for me is that we don't really get

666
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:57,380
into tech history that much.

667
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,500
And we definitely don't, I think, have the street cred

668
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:07,220
in the military space to speak intelligently about that kind of thing.

669
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:13,060
Like I would be doing all the same research that anyone else would do, you know,

670
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:16,700
browsing forums and Wikipedia and, you know,

671
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:22,660
downloading schematics off of War Thunder or that are not supposed to be there or whatever.

672
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:27,340
Waking military secrets, yeah. Given the reference in the naming,

673
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:31,460
covering like night vision goggles, I don't think is a thing that makes a ton of sense for us.

674
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:36,460
I think it would have to be like, how do they make sure

675
00:50:37,060 --> 00:50:40,260
that like, I don't know, these electronical components

676
00:50:40,260 --> 00:50:45,260
are able to survive in like warfare zones.

677
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:51,140
I could say that being like a good tech wiki. Yeah, it'd be kind of interesting. What makes an electronic device battle-ready

678
00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:55,420
or something like that? But how does it help resist EMP pulses, stuff like that?

679
00:50:55,420 --> 00:50:59,540
Yeah, I don't see really the why we would get into like a specific piece.

680
00:50:59,540 --> 00:51:03,900
Like that really seems more like a gun channel could,

681
00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:09,660
okay, I could see us being brought in as a collaborator on something like that.

682
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:12,180
Like if they wanted to discuss,

683
00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:17,140
if they pull the board out of something and they were like, okay,

684
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:22,380
and then to talk about what makes this board special compared to consumer electronics at the time,

685
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:26,220
we sent it to LTT or the opposite,

686
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:29,940
considering they had that like, was it PlayStation 3s? I think it was at that server farm.

687
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:33,420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like little things like that, yeah, could make sense.

688
00:51:33,420 --> 00:51:37,700
But I think there isn't as much crossover

689
00:51:37,700 --> 00:51:40,180
as you might think. But there's some.

690
00:51:42,180 --> 00:51:46,420
Next up. Sure thing. Hi, LLD, you've teased a smaller backpack before.

691
00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:52,300
Is that still in the work? So or was it replaced by the, I don't know, laptop bag?

692
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:55,420
Just cut off there. By the? Okay, by the.

693
00:51:56,460 --> 00:52:01,820
It is definitely still in the works. Our latest sample of it is very good.

694
00:52:01,820 --> 00:52:06,180
Luke, you saw it last week. Yeah, yeah. I really liked the side pockets.

695
00:52:06,180 --> 00:52:09,060
I won't say too much about it. Yeah. I don't know how much we're talking about,

696
00:52:09,820 --> 00:52:13,100
Did I even show you the little hidden pockets that are in them?

697
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:17,940
I don't think so. I don't know if those are going to make it into the final, but we're going to push for it.

698
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:22,700
Depends on, depends on costing a little bit. But yeah, no, the smaller backpack is coming.

699
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:26,500
We're working on naming for it. I think we're going to have to do one more sample,

700
00:52:26,500 --> 00:52:31,500
but hopefully that'll be like a pre-production sample rather than a sample sample.

701
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:34,980
And if we can sign off on that one, it can go to production.

702
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:40,980
We're very, very excited about it. Right now it fits like a 15.6 inch gaming laptop

703
00:52:40,980 --> 00:52:45,580
pretty comfortably. We think we can make a tweak that would allow it to fit

704
00:52:45,580 --> 00:52:48,740
most 16 inch devices, even at that size.

705
00:52:49,780 --> 00:52:54,780
It's the one that I was wearing in my AMD Ryzen,

706
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:59,660
Ryzen 9000 coverage from Computex,

707
00:52:59,660 --> 00:53:03,740
if I recall correctly. So it looks a little bit different.

708
00:53:03,740 --> 00:53:07,220
Computex line is 22 or four. It looks a bit different now.

709
00:53:07,220 --> 00:53:10,620
And the internal layout thankfully is way better.

710
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:15,140
It was, my notes after that trip were not good.

711
00:53:15,140 --> 00:53:19,740
And I wasn't 100% sure if we were going to, if we were going to even be able to move forward

712
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:23,740
with the product because the design of it

713
00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:28,740
was so dependent on it being basically unusable

714
00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:34,660
as far as I could tell. But Matthew, I think is the one who did the work

715
00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:38,340
on tweaking the design while also dramatically

716
00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:42,780
improving the usability of it. Yeah, here's the video where I think it

717
00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:49,220
made its first appearance. This is apparently a hack.

718
00:53:49,220 --> 00:53:52,620
If you just go back and forward, ads disappear.

719
00:53:52,620 --> 00:53:57,180
And the more you do that, the more it trains YouTube to just not bother serving you ads.

720
00:53:57,180 --> 00:54:01,620
Really? Yeah, it doesn't seem to account for it that you go right back onto the video.

721
00:54:01,620 --> 00:54:04,820
It's just accounts for that you bounce off the video the second you see an ad.

722
00:54:04,820 --> 00:54:08,260
Here's the question. Yeah. If ad block is piracy.

723
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:10,660
Yes. Is ad aversion piracy?

724
00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:15,260
Like avoiding ads. Oh, like ad avoidance.

725
00:54:15,260 --> 00:54:21,900
Like going back and forward to make it not send it. Resume viewing, resume viewing, that kind of thing.

726
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:26,620
Yeah, yeah. Creepy. I think as long as you are,

727
00:54:26,620 --> 00:54:31,540
because you're not breaking terms of service, it's not against the terms of service to...

728
00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:35,380
Close your eyes. Is it officially against the terms of service to use ad block?

729
00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:40,500
Yeah. Okay. Whereas navigating away from a page

730
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:44,340
is absolutely not against the terms of service.

731
00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:49,340
But if you automated it, so if you had a browser extension

732
00:54:49,340 --> 00:54:53,620
that every time you clicked a YouTube video, like micro-loaded the page and unloaded it

733
00:54:53,620 --> 00:54:59,740
and then loaded it again, I think that would qualify as an ad serving countermeasure.

734
00:54:59,740 --> 00:55:03,260
Cause it's the automation of it. But not manually running it?

735
00:55:03,260 --> 00:55:07,460
That whole argument where ad block

736
00:55:07,460 --> 00:55:12,460
is basically the same as closing your eyes is stupid.

737
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:17,300
Yeah. Because it's not. Yeah. Closing your eyes is the same as closing your eyes.

738
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:20,700
And they'll compare it to like TV commercials or whatever else, right?

739
00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:25,740
No, because you would just close your eyes.

740
00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:30,420
That would be the same thing. But when you automate something,

741
00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:33,540
to me that becomes a...

742
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:38,140
Is it also the distribution of it? Of said thing?

743
00:55:40,260 --> 00:55:45,580
Hmm. So you're talking like if you made your own script

744
00:55:45,580 --> 00:55:48,820
or something like that or you made your own tool. I want to address this really quick.

745
00:55:48,820 --> 00:55:52,500
Sidrax in full plain chat said, I just hate malvertising.

746
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:55,580
I strongly agree. I hate malvertising too.

747
00:55:56,740 --> 00:56:01,460
We're not telling you, don't run this. We're also not telling you don't use ad block.

748
00:56:01,460 --> 00:56:04,780
Yeah. Literally never happened.

749
00:56:04,780 --> 00:56:06,620
Never said that. Yeah.

750
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:13,100
Yeah. I don't feel like re-ashing that one today.

751
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:16,820
Sure. I have never said don't use ad block.

752
00:56:18,140 --> 00:56:21,620
I'm trying to think like maybe there was some way to show in the garage in 2013

753
00:56:21,620 --> 00:56:25,580
where somebody's gonna like, got him. It's like, I don't know, whatever.

754
00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:32,220
Okay. I have never, that I recall, said don't use ad block.

755
00:56:32,620 --> 00:56:36,060
I've been very consistent for a lot of years that...

756
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:39,180
I don't know. Val Herick in full plain chat said Linus literally

757
00:56:39,180 --> 00:56:42,820
called me up last night and told me not to use ad block. So what are you saying?

758
00:56:42,820 --> 00:56:50,020
I told you not to tell people that. That was a conversation between just the two of us.

759
00:56:50,020 --> 00:56:54,500
You called me too. So is that why you're so tired this week?

760
00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:59,060
You're just calling all of the audience members? I actually have to confess something.

761
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:02,460
You broke into the Floatplane database? I have to confess something.

762
00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:05,900
I bought an auto dialer. It wasn't even me.

763
00:57:07,900 --> 00:57:11,420
It was a recording. Oh, so it isn't even... They couldn't even tell it wasn't me

764
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:15,700
because those guys are idiots. It's not even AI of your voice?

765
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:20,420
Nope. Nope, Justin. It's literally an old fashioned auto dialer. They got bam boozled.

766
00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:23,420
Wow. Yep. Wow.

767
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:28,020
Get wrecked. Anyways, yeah, it's not a thing, dude.

768
00:57:28,020 --> 00:57:34,900
We're just... And we've both got some Linux ISOs, okay?

769
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:38,100
So relax. Yep. Or don't relax.

770
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:40,100
It actually doesn't really matter to me.

771
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:46,700
Stay tense. I'm probably gonna do one more if you're okay with that.

772
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:52,260
Yeah, hit me. Sure, sure, let's see. Hey, LLD, did Plex ever fix your issues?

773
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:56,460
Got my first NAS set up a bit ago. Transcode it. Downloads are crucial for me.

774
00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:59,900
So decided to try MB. Haven't had any real issues.

775
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:07,180
Might be worth a look. I am probably going to try jellyfin or MB at some point.

776
00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:13,820
Overall, I've been pretty annoyed with Plex.

777
00:58:16,420 --> 00:58:21,380
That issue recently was a permissions thing in TrueNAS where I was having trouble with that show

778
00:58:21,380 --> 00:58:25,220
you wanted to watch, so that wasn't a Plex issue. That series of Linux ISOs?

779
00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:32,140
Yeah, series of Linux ISOs, sure, whatever. The point is just that I haven't actually tried

780
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:35,500
to do a lot of local downloads lately,

781
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:38,740
so I haven't realistically played with it that much.

782
00:58:38,740 --> 00:58:41,740
But Plex has been pretty well-behaved for me lately,

783
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:45,540
and I actually saw some pretty promising news. I think it was either this morning or yesterday.

784
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:49,700
Plex announced that they're going to split out the photo backup functionality

785
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:52,980
that they used to have in the main Plex app into a separate app.

786
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:57,860
And I remember talking to them about that, because the photo backup function was really cool

787
00:58:57,860 --> 00:59:03,020
and really easy to use and really convenient, and I really liked it, and then they just deprecated it.

788
00:59:03,020 --> 00:59:08,020
And I was like, well, that's sort of uncool because I thought that that was part

789
00:59:08,020 --> 00:59:12,300
of the function of this product. So now it's a separate app, and I wonder if that's going to help them overcome

790
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:16,980
some of the challenges that they've had, because from what I gleaned,

791
00:59:17,020 --> 00:59:22,580
the issues that they had continuing to support that feature basically came down to library access

792
00:59:22,580 --> 00:59:27,580
and constant changes when it came to accessing the library

793
00:59:29,140 --> 00:59:32,620
and then backing it up, especially as a background task.

794
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:36,220
So if that can be a dedicated app rather than part of the video-watching app,

795
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:42,500
maybe that'll help them do a better job of it. So I want to check that out, but I know absolutely nothing about it yet.

796
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:48,420
And I'm going to have to, I'll give it a chance. I mean, I have a lifetime subscription.

797
00:59:48,420 --> 00:59:52,140
So if I sort of- If you go away from it, you can always just come back.

798
00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:55,300
Yeah, but the cost of Plex is not a factor for me.

799
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:59,700
For a lot of people, the cost of Plex is a major factor. So they want something free and open source,

800
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:04,980
So the cost of both of them is the same for me personally.

801
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:09,620
It might change what I would recommend to someone else. I might say, hey, give these free options a try

802
01:00:09,620 --> 01:00:13,860
before you spring for the paid one. But for me, it doesn't matter. So I'm going to give it a shot.

803
01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:21,460
And then the other big thing that I'm waiting for is that NAS software that I invested in from hashtag.

804
01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:25,340
You doing the research on this before the NAS software comes out though,

805
01:00:25,340 --> 01:00:29,900
because I'm assuming you're going to have some video on the NAS software kind of does make sense.

806
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:34,780
Yeah, but my whole thing with the NAS software is I want to have to do as little work

807
01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:39,140
and research as possible. Oh, no, I mean, like if you're making a video like,

808
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:44,020
hey, do this stuff to set up your NAS or whatever, I don't know, having an informed opinion

809
01:00:44,020 --> 01:00:49,020
on the Plex, Jellyfin, whatever debate would be good.

810
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:54,220
No, I probably won't. Oh, okay. Because a lot of my opinion is going to come down

811
01:00:54,220 --> 01:01:00,420
to ease of setup. And so my goal, my big ulterior motive

812
01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:06,620
Should have stayed out of it as much as possible. With this whole investment into hashtag was that

813
01:01:06,620 --> 01:01:11,460
whatever I want to install on a NAS that I think is good,

814
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:17,780
I will have a back channel way of saying, hey, can you guys support this and make sure

815
01:01:17,780 --> 01:01:21,500
that everything just works so that I don't have to think about it.

816
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:25,660
And then by proxy, everyone else will be able to install,

817
01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:30,660
let's say Plex or image or whatever, super easily

818
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:34,980
and won't have to think about like the stupid permissions

819
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:42,760
issues that like I switched which VM I was using to download ISOs and it made it so there was like,

820
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:47,560
it turned it in like read only for certain containers

821
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,360
or cause it's using like Kubernetes. I was on the older version of Trunez scale.

822
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,680
It's just like such a mess and I'm sitting here going,

823
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:01,680
I don't want any of this. I just want to have my files and like I can read

824
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,120
and write them and stuff. Yeah, it's the whole thing.

825
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,600
All right, are we done now?

826
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,720
Are we moving on? I don't know, who knows?

827
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,200
You want to pick a topic, Luke?

828
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,880
This one. Which one? Let's grow up. Might just be a man and say it.

829
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,080
Cause I don't know what's going on with it. Be a man, do the right thing.

830
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,880
I fix it. Sure, yeah. What's happening there?

831
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,440
Tell me, inform me. Honestly, I don't know.

832
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,280
So why don't we do this together? Oh, oh boy.

833
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,400
So earlier this week, yesterday,

834
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:43,040
I fixed it announced their smart soldering iron.

835
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:48,640
This thing's kind of wild by the way. It's, this is cool, 100 watt heater,

836
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:54,480
ready to solder in five seconds. It can run off the wall for like an entire work day.

837
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,240
I think they advertise. It has a literal web interface

838
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,760
that you access through like Chrome,

839
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,880
like through a browser, like an actual, you know, like a web interface.

840
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:13,080
So that you can configure it. And yeah, I don't know, it looks pretty cool.

841
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,880
I've definitely seen some discussion around the price.

842
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,840
By the time you buy the soldering iron and the dock and you know, whatever else,

843
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:27,800
people are saying it's like hundreds of dollars, which when you compare to some of the more

844
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,600
value oriented options is not that competitive.

845
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,360
Yeah, but there are also soldering irons that are wicked expensive.

846
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,960
There are, but I think that for the people who are into like hackos,

847
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,280
you're gonna pry them from their cold dead hands. Yeah.

848
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,160
I'm showing our producer cam for no reason.

849
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,160
Oh, I'm a JBC boy. Oh, really? Oh, okay, there you go.

850
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:54,160
Rolls Royce, baby. Actually, the one I have at home is like a $40 clone

851
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,680
and it's like, okay, but it doesn't have a battery pack.

852
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,040
You can't like move it around. Oh yeah, that's right. Dan's the one.

853
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,160
He's the one who made us spend a fortune on those stupid soldering stations.

854
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,080
That's so nice, dude. I was sitting there. They're a partner.

855
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,960
This is not an endorsement, but I was sitting there trying to learn

856
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,200
on my soldering iron. Oh yeah. This actually happened.

857
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,600
I was trying to get Dan to like teach me how to solder. And I was, you know, coming along,

858
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,120
but I was struggling a little bit and then he gave me the nice soldering iron. I instantly did it.

859
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:32,760
Cause you're learning the techniques. You're not necessarily, cause you're, for me to use a really broken soldering iron

860
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:39,640
is difficult, but I know what's wrong and for somebody learning, but you don't need like a $1,500 station

861
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,240
to learn how to solder with. Yeah, so it's like, it's definitely a skill issue.

862
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,520
It's for sure a skill issue, but still the nice soldering iron

863
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,520
just made it so much easier. And something that has like temperature control

864
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,920
like this and it can get hot really quickly and it's not super unwieldy.

865
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,040
It's a nice thing about the JBCs is they are like this size

866
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,080
for their, their ends and stuff like that, but they're ultra professional levels.

867
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,840
Yeah. All right. So, oops, where am I going?

868
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,400
Last laptop, there we go. So back to this thing. So I've seen some, some commentary on the pricing.

869
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,720
Some people are not super thrilled with it. Some people are, are more thrilled with it.

870
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Anyway, Vitor responds and says, now I want an LTT soldering iron

871
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:25,160
and Kyle Wiens, CEO of iFixit says,

872
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,280
he does seem to be good at copying our products.

873
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,440
There's been a fair amount of speculation as to what exactly he means by this.

874
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,760
Is it gentle ribbing? Is it genuine upset?

875
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,800
And more than one person has pointed out

876
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,520
that on the very day that he posted this, one of our videos went live

877
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,480
with an iFixit sponsorship in it.

878
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,400
So what I will say is, I also don't know.

879
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,880
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to reiterate everything that I've said about the iFixit relationship

880
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,200
and we'll go from there. Sure.

881
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,800
So if it's gentle ribbing, gentle ribbing received,

882
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,600
if it's not gentle ribbing, well, I don't know.

883
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,200
We're good on our side. We're chill.

884
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:21,280
We believe in the iFixit mission. We have absolutely no intention of becoming iFixit.

885
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,920
We're not going to even begin to approach

886
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,600
the kind of replacement parts that they stock,

887
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,400
the guides that they create through their community,

888
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:38,240
even the type of content that they produce. They do such a great job of their teardowns

889
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,600
that we've looked at doing that type of content before

890
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:46,440
and we've just kind of gone, yeah, I don't know, maybe someday, but realistically,

891
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,800
this seems like it's pretty well served, evaluating the repairability of devices

892
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,800
and stuff like that. We absolutely value iFixit as a partner.

893
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:00,880
We specifically went out of our way to make our driver available as a standalone driver

894
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,920
for people who just want a driver upgrade and they're going to put it into their iFixit kit

895
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,680
and use it with their iFixit bits. We went out of our way to make sure

896
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:13,000
that our driver was compatible with iFixit bits. So there's a whole thing.

897
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,800
We talked about it in the ShortCircuit live stream when we announced our precision driver

898
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,520
where the ISO standard is actually not

899
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,160
what everyone including iFixit does and I forget the exact detail,

900
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:31,400
but basically it comes down to manufacturing tolerances. So you're supposed to have this socket,

901
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,720
which is actually a, if I recall correctly,

902
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,800
a metric translation of what is actually an imperial size.

903
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,800
So that's supposed to be the size and then the bits are supposed to be smaller,

904
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,280
but what everybody else does is they make the size bigger

905
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:51,400
and the bits smaller or whatever. Basically you're supposed to make this big enough

906
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,840
that at the upper range of the tolerances for the bit size, they'll fit for sure.

907
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,880
And what we did was we made this at the lower range

908
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:04,360
and then our bits were smaller, I forget. Hold on, let me think about what it is.

909
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:09,280
So what happened was our initial drivers, this was too small.

910
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,440
That's right. So everyone else makes the bits the size

911
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,280
and then they make their driver bigger.

912
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:22,640
Slightly oversized. And what you're supposed to do is you're supposed to make the socket the size,

913
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,920
you know, four millimeters or whatever it is, and then the bits are supposed to be smaller.

914
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:32,800
So in our first samples, we had bits and sockets that fit perfectly,

915
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,520
but when we went to put someone else's bits in our sockets, we realized they were,

916
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,800
the ones that were at the high end of the tolerance range were too big.

917
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:44,920
So we had to go back and we had to make ours wider like everyone else and anyway, it doesn't matter.

918
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,660
The point is that we went out of our way to make sure that the driver was compatible

919
01:08:48,660 --> 01:08:54,700
to reduce waste. So if people already have a set, they can upgrade to the fidget spinner slash precision driver

920
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:58,320
without wasting all of the bits in the case that they already have.

921
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,520
But we also wanted to offer an option

922
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,960
with the ideas that we had to improve the product

923
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,560
that would include bits and a case.

924
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,560
So, you know, I don't know. If he's serious about it,

925
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,360
I don't really know what to make of that. We're still down to work together.

926
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,680
I disagree, I guess. I will say that.

927
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:27,800
I disagree that it's a copied product. I fix it, didn't invent precision screwdrivers.

928
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,760
I fix it, didn't invent bit cases.

929
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,600
And, you know, from my point of view, either it's a copy at a higher price,

930
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,840
in which case he shouldn't be worried about it.

931
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:48,800
Right. Or it's a product that innovated with things like this magnetically detachable,

932
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:53,320
nicely cool, stackable case, deeper bits

933
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:57,360
that make their way into, you know, recessed housings more easily,

934
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,160
an all-metal driver that has bit storage. They do have one with bit storage,

935
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,280
but it's not all-metal, higher quality bearing,

936
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,880
replaceable tops, stronger magnet.

937
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,160
No, I think it's about as different as a product can be,

938
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,520
and still be a precision screwdriver.

939
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,040
Oh, we added magnets to the inside.

940
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,160
Yeah, that's nice. It's a parts tray, effectively, yeah.

941
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,720
And to be clear, the iFixit one can also be used as a parts tray, but it won't be magnetic.

942
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,680
Yeah. So there you go. So yeah, I don't know.

943
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,720
Is he mad? Who knows? Are we working on a soldering iron?

944
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:39,040
Not at this time, but if we thought there was room to innovate and make a better soldering iron,

945
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,600
I'm not gonna rule out anything. We definitely have other products in our roadmap

946
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,440
that are tools, and therefore, we'll probably overlap with anyone who sells tools.

947
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:51,440
But part of our product development philosophy

948
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:55,040
is that we don't just make the same thing that's already out there.

949
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:01,720
If we aren't adding something, then I don't see why we'd bother.

950
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:08,400
And in some cases, what we're adding can be as simple as making it more affordable.

951
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:12,320
Most things I have to do around my house basically just require a screwdriver.

952
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,560
So I have LTT screwdrivers for everything.

953
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,280
I had to use a hammer last night. Wasn't an LTT hammer.

954
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:25,720
I was disappointed. We actually do have a potential product spec for a hammer.

955
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,720
I have some ideas. OK.

956
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:33,120
I know it's entirely a joke, but all right.

957
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,440
It's true. I mean, what I said is not untrue. I used a hammer last night.

958
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:42,240
And I literally pulled it out and was like,

959
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:47,000
it's like blue. It's not orange and black.

960
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,480
I have ideas. And you know what?

961
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:53,600
Sometimes it can be as simple as coming in at a lower price.

962
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,800
I think that anti-static work mats

963
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,600
are overpriced, essentially.

964
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:05,760
So our mod mat, which we actually created in collaboration with ModWrite, who

965
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:11,360
has been doing mod mats for, Lord only knows how long they

966
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,600
Didn't they patent it? Yeah, like way back in the day.

967
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,120
So they're pretty OG. So we actually partnered with them.

968
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:22,360
And ours is going to be coming soon. It's going to be very price competitive compared

969
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,240
to what's out there. And that's still profitable.

970
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,760
So yeah, if we see an area where we can improve

971
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,360
the state of the market, then yeah, we'll go for it.

972
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,360
But if we don't, then we're not just looking to come in

973
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:43,680
and copy someone else's product. And I reject the assertion that this is a copied product.

974
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,360
And if it is a copied product, they should have no problem recopying it.

975
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,320
And then there's this better. And that's how competition works.

976
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,120
Then everybody's product is better. I mean, we didn't patent anything here.

977
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,280
Even if we could have, which I really,

978
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:03,440
I don't think we could have. But even if we could have, that's not really how we roll.

979
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:06,760
I do think at some point, we'll probably have to patent something.

980
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,960
But that's not a bridge that we've really had to cross yet.

981
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,400
I think if we ever did like a new, you know what?

982
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,520
It's probably better for me to just not even say. There are a couple of things that we

983
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:29,480
have in development that could potentially benefit from being patent, but patent tax right off.

984
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:31,240
Yeah, sure. Let me get right on that.

985
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,080
All right. Yeah. OK. Tony Ray, hopefully we're still cool.

986
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:47,480
We love you. I fix it. And if you guys are mad, sorry.

987
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:52,520
Speaking of madness, the US government pushes for, well, the dock just keeps floating around.

988
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:58,120
The US government pushes for greater VPN access. Last week, the White House met with Amazon, Google, Microsoft,

989
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,360
and Cloudflare, as well as civil society advocates

990
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,840
to encourage tech companies to offer more digital bandwidth

991
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:10,440
for government-funded internet censorship evasion tools,

992
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:14,080
which is an insane sentence to me.

993
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,400
Tools supported by the Open Technology Fund, or the OTF,

994
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:22,640
which is funded by the US government, have surged in popularity in countries like Russia, Iran,

995
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,720
Myanmar, and Myanmar. So I missed the end.

996
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,720
According to OTF president Laura Cunningham,

997
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:35,240
the number of VPN users they support has more than quadrupled over the last few years

998
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,560
to around 46 million users each month.

999
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,840
The OTF wants discounted or subsidized server

1000
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:47,320
bandwidth to help meet that growing demand.

1001
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,320
What is the witch to me?

1002
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,680
Sounds like the government is basically being like,

1003
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:59,640
yeah, we don't really care if you like pirate movies and music and stuff, we want all your data.

1004
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:04,160
That's my, that's what I get from this personally.

1005
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,960
Tools supported by the OTF, which is funded by the US government,

1006
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:15,200
have surged in popularity in countries like Russia. So they want resistant groups and whatnot that are in,

1007
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:19,040
maybe not super friendly to US countries to be able to do their thing.

1008
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:23,280
But do they want encryption for their own citizens?

1009
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:31,640
This would allow them to see all the things. To encourage tech companies to offer more digital bandwidth

1010
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:35,320
for government funded internet censorship evasion tools.

1011
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:46,640
Isn't that such a wild sentence? Huh, but, but, but, um, interesting.

1012
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:52,040
Yeah, I don't know a ton about the OTF.

1013
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:55,560
I don't know how far the fingers of the US government

1014
01:15:55,560 --> 01:16:00,440
are in the OTF, but if you run the VPN yourself,

1015
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,920
you can do a whole heck of a lot. But are they saying they're running the VPN?

1016
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:14,000
I don't know, I don't know. Or are they saying they want tech companies to offer more bandwidth, wait,

1017
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,040
for government funded censorship evasion tools?

1018
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,280
For those, not for all of them, for those.

1019
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:29,040
It's very interesting to me.

1020
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,280
It sounds like a two pronged attack.

1021
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:39,040
This is the vibe that I'm getting. So the one prong is, hey, we get to help groups that are in

1022
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:43,240
Russia, Iran, Myanmar, and other places. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is valid,

1023
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,240
which is probably something that they want to be able to communicate and organize.

1024
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,360
A multitude of reasons, for sure, for sure. And then the other one is like,

1025
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:55,600
oh, and if other people use it, we get to have a really good look into what they're up to.

1026
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:00,200
Well, yeah. Wow, 46 million users a month.

1027
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:01,200
Wild.

1028
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:09,960
OTF VPNs. Yeah, like what is an OTF VPN?

1029
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,760
No, this is good stuff. Do they do open VPN?

1030
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,720
Did I see an open VPN logo? I recognize that logo immediately, yeah.

1031
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:31,160
So wait, no, this is good then. So these are tools that you can use to build VPNs.

1032
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,240
Like this is not necessarily... Very interesting.

1033
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:39,200
Because I don't know, though. I'm not aware of a sick back door and open VPN.

1034
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:46,880
I don't know what this means, though, or if this is just a list of things. Like I don't know if this means...

1035
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:54,240
Do they make... Are they responsible for open VPN, guys?

1036
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,320
I don't know. Help me out here. I have genuinely no idea.

1037
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,440
Like I don't wanna get into like a WireGuard versus open VPN debate.

1038
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,680
Like, but WireGuard may be better. It's on here, though.

1039
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:11,880
It's on this list, that's why I'm saying like, I'm not sure what this list necessarily means.

1040
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,200
Like do they just put funding into these? Yeah, maybe.

1041
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,440
They're part of the funding for open VPN WireGuard and Tor.

1042
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:24,840
I see this, but I don't necessarily know if this means this is from the Open Tech Fund

1043
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,120
or if this means this is the funding that it's received. You know what I mean?

1044
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:34,960
They've got to have received more funding than that overall. Oh, wait, maybe that is overall, I don't know.

1045
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:39,480
Because it says Free and Open Source Software Sustainability Fund. Your mom's an open VPN.

1046
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:43,800
Why do we even talk to any of our chat so much? Read the last paragraph.

1047
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:48,240
Through the Faw Sustainability Fund, open VPN will focus on growing its core continuity.

1048
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,320
This isn't the, is that a different thing?

1049
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:56,320
I don't know. It is the Faw Sustainability Fund,

1050
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,280
a fund within the Open Technology Fund.

1051
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:06,400
I don't know, I don't know where this rabbit hole goes. But it's definitely weird.

1052
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:10,000
So there may be downsides, but fundamentally-

1053
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,080
It's probably good. Better VPN access seems-

1054
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:19,920
Probably good. Okay, I'm gonna say it's a W for now.

1055
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:26,240
And hopefully I don't end up eating those words. Yeah, we don't have very good information on this,

1056
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:29,280
so I don't think we can really say much, unfortunately, but we'll move on.

1057
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,480
What I would like to talk about is NVIDIA purses.

1058
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:33,320
Yeah, what?

1059
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,960
AI researcher Teresa Barton is selling a limited run

1060
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,760
of 10 purses crafted out of NVIDIA GeForce GT730

1061
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,880
graphics cards for $1024 or $1,024.

1062
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:53,240
Her website also indicates that she will at some point be selling a handmade bag made out of-

1063
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:58,440
A handbag. Yes, a handbag made out of a H100 AI chip

1064
01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:01,600
for $65,536.

1065
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,720
While Barton says the cards themselves are non-functional and ethically sourced

1066
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,880
from data center dumpsters, the fans still work,

1067
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,280
which is, I mean, that's,

1068
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,960
that's neat, that's cool. Yeah, I don't know. Is there like a little battery bank somewhere

1069
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,840
to power the fan? I see the fan has its- The fan is on the outside and it has its own plug.

1070
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,120
Yeah, there's gotta be- There's gotta be something there. There's gotta be a battery in there or something.

1071
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,560
I think one of my questions is, how much stuff can you actually store in this purse?

1072
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:34,520
Like, is it purely aesthetic? I do think that they look surprisingly neat.

1073
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,160
Yeah. I read this title and I was like,

1074
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,880
oh, it's gonna look like junk. And then I saw the actual purse thing and I was like,

1075
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:49,320
oh, it's not too bad. What is the justification for the price here?

1076
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,600
Because she literally says- That's a purse.

1077
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,280
They're made of e-waste. I don't know, I think purses in general,

1078
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:03,960
it's just, there's prices, whatever, you know? How do these items end up so divorced from their costs?

1079
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:04,760
Like, is this,

1080
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,600
like about, here, here, is there like- I honestly think if you try to figure this out,

1081
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:17,360
you're just gonna hurt your brain. Is there an objective? Like, is she, is this contributing to some kind of-

1082
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:22,200
Oh, I think 1024 is just computer number. No, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I meant by that.

1083
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:25,360
I know. Oh, Mike, I just got assaulted by LTT ads.

1084
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:30,240
Oh, they just went away. I get it. All of the verticals of ads on this website,

1085
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,840
which there are many, they were all LTT ads for a split second and then they went away.

1086
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,720
Oh. Sorry. I just, I was kind of expecting it to say like,

1087
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,720
oh yeah, proceeds are going to some kind of research

1088
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,440
into AI or something. But no, this appears to be just like-

1089
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:51,120
I don't know, maybe she's just a bespoke designer that made only 10 of a thing.

1090
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,640
And if you're gonna do that, you're gonna charge a bunch.

1091
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,000
Yeah, I guess so.

1092
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:58,520
Okay.

1093
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,040
Sure. Well, hey, you know what? I wish you luck.

1094
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:12,600
I bet you at least one person bought it. You think so? I feel like it.

1095
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,960
You think so? I think so. I don't know, dude.

1096
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:23,200
I think that seems pretty unlikely. I think even most people who spend a lot of money on purses

1097
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,880
probably expect to be able to carry something in them.

1098
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,680
I do not agree with that statement at all.

1099
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:40,400
Wow. I don't really understand what I'm looking at here.

1100
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,920
So you're basically telling me this purchase

1101
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,240
is ineligible for this. Why is it even here then?

1102
01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:55,320
I guess shop probably doesn't deal with a lot of things that are over 30 grand. So they never really thought about that scenario.

1103
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,400
This just seems like, is this a social experiment? Is she just trying to grab headlines?

1104
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:04,520
Like this can't seriously be the best sales

1105
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,520
pitch you could come up with. Is this like $60,000 one? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think she thinks anyone's gonna buy it

1106
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:14,120
personally. But like, you know enough rare one-of-a-kind

1107
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:20,080
GPT-4 training GP, you know there's lots of them. And if you know enough to know about GPT,

1108
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:24,280
then you'd think you could just use chat GPT to like write a better description for it.

1109
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:29,200
That's literally all it says on this entire page. This particular page I think is more

1110
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:33,680
about the bringing eyeballs in. I think she's meming, dude.

1111
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,440
Oh, at least to a certain degree. Yeah. Fits a phone.

1112
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:41,760
Nice. Yeah. Longer short chain available.

1113
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,440
I bet at least one has sold. I think she's meming. That doesn't look good.

1114
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:48,640
The other pictures looked pretty good. Well, pictures are just stupid

1115
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,640
because this picture is not a GT730.

1116
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:57,400
This is the H-101. So what is it doing on this product page?

1117
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,960
Like what is this doing here? This is not any of those things. This is ancient.

1118
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,160
This is like, yeah. GF100.

1119
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,400
This is Fermi. This is a 480.

1120
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,000
So like, what am I even... I don't think she expects to sell any.

1121
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,520
I think she's meming. Should I buy one? No, but I bet you she sold one

1122
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,920
because of what you just did. Don't actually do it.

1123
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:24,440
I want to know if it's a real site. Am I actually going to get a purse in the mail?

1124
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,400
Do you want my credit card? No, I don't want to.

1125
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,640
The only way I'm going to get an H-100. At some random time in the show,

1126
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,840
maybe you should throw that thing back at me. What?

1127
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,960
I'm sorry, I was talking. No, it's fine. Just the thing I threw at you,

1128
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:42,400
you want your water bottle back? But he didn't throw a water bottle at you, Dan.

1129
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,720
It's on your side of the table. With this?

1130
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,040
That's my water bottle. Oh, I drank from it. I couldn't find yours.

1131
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,240
Oh, okay. Do you have any diseases? I'm sure we've done worse.

1132
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,880
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1133
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1145
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:57,720
That actually looks pretty slick. Not bad.

1146
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:03,200
The team does such a great job of the footage for these. A lot of it looks like it was provided by the brand,

1147
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:07,160
except that I recognize backdrops and stuff that we have.

1148
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:11,240
This footage, no, this is our footage. Oh my God. Look, someone bumped the table there.

1149
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,600
Like this is not. Good job, James. That's ours. This is ours?

1150
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,080
Yeah, I know that set. Yeah, that's the screen thing. Yeah, this is all our footage.

1151
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,360
That's how man is killing it. No, it's over in the corner where WAN Show Set used to be

1152
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:26,560
at the very far away of the other, yeah. There's a piece of glass

1153
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:31,080
and then they have a display behind it. Yeah, like, no, the team's great.

1154
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,680
Let's bring it back there. Yeah. This is where Edzel was experimenting

1155
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,680
with some of the UE5, like real time tracking stuff.

1156
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,640
I remember that, yeah. Yeah, cool. Anyway, the show is also brought to you by Ridge.

1157
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,120
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1158
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1159
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:52,040
Did you see it was Dennis driving? Yeah, there he is.

1160
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:59,160
That should be. Now, you can drag race like Dennis

1161
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:05,040
in a gold-plated Cybertruck. Oh, what am I looking at?

1162
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:09,320
And if being the center of everyone's attention isn't your style, don't worry.

1163
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,400
Okay, that happened. I know. They were telling us before the show.

1164
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,920
The Chirad got pulled over, right? That's actually Chirad right there. Yeah.

1165
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,760
Okay, sorry, we're really losing track

1166
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,800
of the sponsor talking points here. I mean, this was so good.

1167
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,760
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1168
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And yes, that is real footage of Dennis and Chirad on the highway in Salt Lake City.

1169
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:35,240
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1170
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:42,520
between a Hennessy Velossa Raptor, a gold-plated Cybertruck, or $100,000 cash.

1171
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,040
This says, what would I pick? Ooh.

1172
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:50,120
Oh, it cut back to me. Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be. What would I pick?

1173
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:56,920
What would I pick? I guess I'll take the cash.

1174
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:00,000
What would I do with a Velossa Raptor? Weak. What?

1175
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,240
I love that the follow-up sentence was,

1176
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,600
what would I do with a Velossa Raptor? Not the other one.

1177
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,120
Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, that makes so much sense.

1178
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,520
I'm trying to acknowledge something that's a real option. I mean, I don't...

1179
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,840
What, I would be seen in that? You could melt it into a controller.

1180
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,760
Like, dude.

1181
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:30,840
I'd be on the parking lot scraping it off. I don't know, man. I'd be legit.

1182
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:37,040
I'd be legit. Look, Reg, hopefully this is compatible

1183
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:41,240
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1184
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,040
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1185
01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:49,360
I would be... They do have a Cybertruck and a Hennessy version

1186
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:55,200
of their things, their key holder and their wallet. I would be embarrassed to be seen in a Cybertruck.

1187
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:59,840
At all, or the gold-plated one? Is the gold-plated one less or more embarrassing?

1188
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:07,280
It's cooler. So it's less embarrassing? Yeah, it's cooler. I think it's so bad that it comes all the way back around

1189
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:10,400
to kind of cool. This might be a weird take.

1190
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:16,320
I actually think where it says just Ridge on the side of the gold-plated one actually just looks good.

1191
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:20,800
I rarely like when you see just the brand logo on things,

1192
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:25,080
but it's just something to break up, just the sea of it's all the same.

1193
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,800
Right there? Yeah. I think it actually looks sharp having something on it.

1194
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:33,320
Yeah. That thing looks so tacky though.

1195
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:37,840
I just can't. So if you had to pick a vehicle, you'd go with the Hennessy Raptor.

1196
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,440
If you had to pick something, you'd go with the cash.

1197
01:29:42,440 --> 01:29:45,440
Hold on a second. Hold on, let me think.

1198
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:48,120
Pfft.

1199
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,880
Are you looking up their value on the resale market? No.

1200
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,280
You have to pay people to take them away. I'm just a little curious.

1201
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:05,880
Price of stainless steel per pound. Oh dude, see I would have a really hard time going back

1202
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:12,040
to filling up at the gas station. I am not into having a gas vehicle anymore at all.

1203
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,800
Can you go anywhere in a cyber truck? Hmm.

1204
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,040
Will it turn on?

1205
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:24,000
Get the truck and electrify it, it's a fun project. Ah.

1206
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,440
Not what, if I'm gonna have an electric truck I'll just get a Rivian.

1207
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:30,640
Dude, getting a, getting a like over a thousand horsepower

1208
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:36,320
Hennessy Velociraptor and taking the engine out and electrifying it would be kind of hilarious.

1209
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,320
That would be completely unrained. I'm putting my cappuccino.

1210
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:43,720
Ha ha ha ha! Dude, I'm sure the engine for the Hennessy

1211
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,640
is bigger than your whole car. Somebody put an LS in it with twin turbo chargers.

1212
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:51,960
They had to like remove most of the front end in the hood, it's 800 horsepower.

1213
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:56,880
Oh my, that's actually terrifying. Death speed run, yeah.

1214
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:01,200
That would have like the power to weight ratio

1215
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,680
of a slot car, like that would be ridiculous. It's like nearly one to one.

1216
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:09,280
That's crazy. Actually, I think the engine weighs probably more

1217
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,400
than the car. More than the rest of the car. Yeah, so it would affect that slightly.

1218
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:17,360
Top Gear 1224 says, what's more embarrassing, a gold cyber truck

1219
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:22,680
or a purple Taycan? Gold cyber truck. Yeah, I really think it is.

1220
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,600
The cyber truck is just brutal, dude.

1221
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:31,960
Anywho, from now until September 16th, you'll get two entries for every dollar spent

1222
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:36,080
or you can get four X entries when you purchase the cyber wallet

1223
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:40,800
or Hennessy specialty products. So we've got a couple of their,

1224
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,680
oh, we've got a key holder and a wallet. Oh, why am I even holding these up?

1225
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:48,480
We've got wonderful footage of them. There you go, that's what they look like. Wow, so you look so nice.

1226
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1227
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:55,560
I take the cash. I'm just gonna take the cash. Take the cash.

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1247
01:33:06,220 --> 01:33:10,500
Okay, we're supposed to do a few merge messages.

1248
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:13,660
Dan, go ahead and hit me.

1249
01:33:13,660 --> 01:33:20,580
Sure. Hey, line us in the talent. I'd be curious to your thoughts on, yeah, that's nice.

1250
01:33:22,820 --> 01:33:26,340
That's that. No, I'm not responding to this merge message. No, no, no, no, I don't like it.

1251
01:33:26,340 --> 01:33:29,380
No, that's good for you. No.

1252
01:33:29,380 --> 01:33:33,180
Okay, whatever. Talent is a derogatory. I take it that way.

1253
01:33:33,180 --> 01:33:36,460
It is not. I don't think he means it to be, but right now.

1254
01:33:36,460 --> 01:33:43,660
No, talent is not derogatory. It's, it removes the person from the statement

1255
01:33:43,660 --> 01:33:47,300
where you're just like an object. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1256
01:33:47,300 --> 01:33:50,700
Hold on a second, I, what, really?

1257
01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:53,820
I've always thought it's... I think they meant it as a derogatory,

1258
01:33:53,820 --> 01:34:00,060
but it's like, no, that means that you're the real person and we're just like accessories to make your show.

1259
01:34:00,060 --> 01:34:04,420
What? Oh, man, see.

1260
01:34:04,420 --> 01:34:09,620
Because I've called you guys the talent before because from my perspective, like I'm producing the show

1261
01:34:09,620 --> 01:34:13,220
and you're just kind of like a part of what makes the show,

1262
01:34:13,220 --> 01:34:17,060
right? So you remove the like human aspect that your people... He's the human we're the...

1263
01:34:17,060 --> 01:34:21,820
No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not a person either. Like the show, it becomes the entity, right?

1264
01:34:21,820 --> 01:34:25,300
Wow. And you are just kind of a part of the show,

1265
01:34:25,300 --> 01:34:28,340
like set dressing, right? I... It's a whole thing.

1266
01:34:28,340 --> 01:34:33,340
Most of chat does not appear to be aligned with that, Dan.

1267
01:34:33,860 --> 01:34:37,260
No, no, no, it's definitely supposed to be...

1268
01:34:37,260 --> 01:34:40,460
No, I don't understand. I don't... Because I thought, because...

1269
01:34:40,460 --> 01:34:44,460
Hold on. Because a lot of people have said, hey, Dan and the talent before,

1270
01:34:44,460 --> 01:34:48,500
but this is the first time that like Linus has been... No, no, they're calling me untalented.

1271
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:52,540
It's definitely a sick burn. But like... But a lot of the other merge messages

1272
01:34:52,540 --> 01:34:59,580
that use Dan and the talent in them, right? Yeah, because the on-screen players are the talent.

1273
01:34:59,580 --> 01:35:03,140
Offer referred to as the talent. Yeah, like that's just... I think that's just an industry term.

1274
01:35:03,140 --> 01:35:07,140
I don't think it's meant to be derogatory. Like if you say...

1275
01:35:07,140 --> 01:35:11,140
And... Yeah, but that's derogatory to you because you're like the people as well.

1276
01:35:11,140 --> 01:35:14,900
If you say and director, then like...

1277
01:35:14,900 --> 01:35:18,780
I don't think that's disrespectful. I think that just describes their role in the production.

1278
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:22,700
Am I off base here? I don't know. I think we're all a bit off base.

1279
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:25,740
I didn't realize that this would be so polarizing. So immediately.

1280
01:35:25,740 --> 01:35:29,020
Yeah. All right. I've never loved the turn personally,

1281
01:35:29,020 --> 01:35:33,620
but I honestly, my amount of cares is quite low.

1282
01:35:33,620 --> 01:35:36,620
Yeah, because like... But I've never loved the turn. Oh, all right.

1283
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:40,820
Well, for what it's worth, Luke? Host makes more sense. I think you're talented.

1284
01:35:40,820 --> 01:35:45,300
Because is... Well, not everyone's a host though. Here's a question about the word talent

1285
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:50,060
because I just looked it up and I'm still not... I've taken it and maybe I'm just taking it wrong.

1286
01:35:50,060 --> 01:35:54,260
I've taken it as like, you have an innate skill. It's not something that you honed.

1287
01:35:55,620 --> 01:35:59,500
But you were just naturally good at something. Dude, you're applying video game logic.

1288
01:36:01,220 --> 01:36:05,380
I get to be... That sounds very likely. Do I get to be right on WAN Show first?

1289
01:36:05,380 --> 01:36:10,660
Are you guys actually siding with me for a change? Yeah, I think Linus is right too, yeah.

1290
01:36:10,660 --> 01:36:14,820
Sure. It's all... It's a bit of a thing. Yeah, talent is used for anyone on screen,

1291
01:36:14,820 --> 01:36:18,540
not just the host. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're calling me untalented,

1292
01:36:18,540 --> 01:36:23,020
but they're just meaning on me, but no. Originally, the reason why I didn't originally like it

1293
01:36:23,020 --> 01:36:25,780
is because it seems derogatory to everybody else.

1294
01:36:27,140 --> 01:36:32,300
Oh. That was my original reason for not liking it. Oh, referring to the person who is like the star or whatever.

1295
01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:36,700
Those are the only people that are any good. As the people with talent. Yes.

1296
01:36:36,700 --> 01:36:40,060
Oh, I see. That's like, when I originally didn't like the word,

1297
01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:43,220
that was my reason. Yeah, but I don't think like a director

1298
01:36:43,220 --> 01:36:47,100
implies that they're not a talented one. I think it's just, yeah, no, talent is just...

1299
01:36:47,100 --> 01:36:50,660
Yeah. But the directors tend to be the ones with the money.

1300
01:36:50,660 --> 01:36:54,180
No. That's a producer. Yeah. Yeah, no, director...

1301
01:36:54,180 --> 01:36:57,580
The director is not also... If you're good, sure.

1302
01:36:57,580 --> 01:37:01,700
But if you're a good talent, then you also have money. And if you're a good...

1303
01:37:03,140 --> 01:37:07,940
Actually, as far as I can tell, most everybody else ends up not making a ton of money, but...

1304
01:37:07,940 --> 01:37:12,780
Yeah, then you're an extra. You're not even talent. Well, no, no, I just, I was trying to come up with like,

1305
01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:16,060
I mean, I guess if you're like... See, but like, yeah, why is there a distinction there?

1306
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:19,660
No, an extra is still talent. Are they? 100%.

1307
01:37:19,660 --> 01:37:24,940
100% Although, often extras are given no lines,

1308
01:37:24,940 --> 01:37:28,900
so they have like no real effect on like...

1309
01:37:28,900 --> 01:37:32,180
Luke's literally pushing this up. I'm going to have a year.

1310
01:37:33,860 --> 01:37:41,100
Background extras, supporting artists, junior... Oh my goodness. Have we custodian-alized the extras?

1311
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:46,220
No, that's right there. No, no, no, no, I mean that we don't call them extras anymore.

1312
01:37:46,220 --> 01:37:49,380
Oh. Oh. Now they're junior artists.

1313
01:37:49,380 --> 01:37:55,940
Oh, that's... That's something that I didn't know about. That atmosphere sounds so much worse to me personally.

1314
01:37:55,940 --> 01:38:00,500
Oh yeah, that's awful. Whoa, that's such a downgrade. Excuse me, what's your job?

1315
01:38:00,500 --> 01:38:03,980
Could the atmosphere go stand next to the potted plant?

1316
01:38:03,980 --> 01:38:07,620
Like... You've got some bad atmosphere. Gross.

1317
01:38:07,620 --> 01:38:12,260
Oh man. Yeah, man. Yeah, this is not something I've thought about a lot

1318
01:38:12,260 --> 01:38:14,700
or cared about much. I turn into gas.

1319
01:38:17,220 --> 01:38:21,740
I mean, if you could do that, you might be one of the main characters in the show, I may be slowly turning into gas.

1320
01:38:21,740 --> 01:38:25,140
I mean, we've seen plenty of evidence of it. Maybe.

1321
01:38:25,140 --> 01:38:26,300
Those poor chairs.

1322
01:38:28,940 --> 01:38:31,940
Okay, so when we frame it as Linus and the talent.

1323
01:38:31,940 --> 01:38:35,660
What was the question? I don't know, I want to finish this thought. Yeah, what does that mean?

1324
01:38:35,660 --> 01:38:38,820
So Linus and the talent means that I'm untalented.

1325
01:38:38,820 --> 01:38:42,540
No. Yeah, that's what they meant. It was a sick burn.

1326
01:38:42,540 --> 01:38:46,980
They were all as a series. No, but we've just established that talent is a role

1327
01:38:46,980 --> 01:38:51,740
in a production. Yeah, you guys are both talent because, there, boom, talent, untalent, talent,

1328
01:38:51,740 --> 01:38:55,980
untalent, talent, untalent. Yeah, but you still have a job here.

1329
01:38:55,980 --> 01:38:59,620
Well, yeah, but they were just memeing because they were pretending to misunderstand

1330
01:38:59,620 --> 01:39:02,980
the term talent as having talent

1331
01:39:02,980 --> 01:39:07,980
and they were referring to me as being untalented. I think that's why I don't like the word.

1332
01:39:07,980 --> 01:39:13,940
But they did. No, because in my mind, you're the one with the name.

1333
01:39:13,940 --> 01:39:17,820
So you get to be a person and then we're just accessories to your production.

1334
01:39:17,860 --> 01:39:22,340
No, because like, I've, okay. They definitely intended it to imply you are untalented.

1335
01:39:22,340 --> 01:39:27,220
Yes, but I've gone on the third party sets where I am like the main person

1336
01:39:27,220 --> 01:39:31,940
and I get referred to as talent. Or like on the contract, it'll just be like,

1337
01:39:31,940 --> 01:39:35,900
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, here to for referred to as talent.

1338
01:39:35,900 --> 01:39:40,780
Like it just means a performer. That's all it means. Exactly, right?

1339
01:39:40,780 --> 01:39:43,260
I mean, my favorite term is watering the talent.

1340
01:39:44,820 --> 01:39:48,500
Right, I fill up your water bottles. I used to give the bands on stage their water.

1341
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:52,700
Do you want warm water? Do you want cold water? It would be best for your throat, right?

1342
01:39:52,700 --> 01:39:54,420
Watering the talent, it's fun.

1343
01:39:55,780 --> 01:39:59,060
I don't know. From now on, I want to be referred to as shortened.

1344
01:40:00,100 --> 01:40:04,500
I'm not tall. So I actually see the whole term as kind of discriminatory.

1345
01:40:05,580 --> 01:40:06,860
Okay, atmosphere.

1346
01:40:09,620 --> 01:40:13,460
Kingant. All right, so what are we talking about?

1347
01:40:13,460 --> 01:40:19,860
What was the short? You wouldn't let me get there. I'd be curious to your thoughts on why tech and gaming cafes

1348
01:40:19,860 --> 01:40:23,020
haven't taken off in North America. It seems like it'd be a slam dunk

1349
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:28,660
with gaming becoming super mainstream and popular now. They don't seem to be doing as far as my

1350
01:40:29,940 --> 01:40:33,260
terrible observations can account for it. I don't think they're doing as well

1351
01:40:33,260 --> 01:40:36,420
in Asian countries either these days. Oh, really?

1352
01:40:36,420 --> 01:40:40,500
I mean, I don't know. Because mobile gaming is taking off, that's why.

1353
01:40:40,500 --> 01:40:45,100
Oh, but are you talking about like a themed cafe though? Or are you talking about like an iCafe

1354
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:49,820
with like gaming computers in it? Is that all what they're referencing? No, I think they're talking about themed cafes.

1355
01:40:49,820 --> 01:40:52,900
Oh, my bad. Cause like there was that bar downtown

1356
01:40:52,900 --> 01:40:56,540
that had like gaming themed cocktails and stuff for a bit.

1357
01:40:56,540 --> 01:41:01,020
Was that what it was called? Stronger, yeah. Yeah, but didn't they shut down during COVID or something?

1358
01:41:01,020 --> 01:41:03,580
I think they at least shut down one location.

1359
01:41:04,820 --> 01:41:11,780
Looking it up. Yeah. I guess, I guess the question for me is, you know,

1360
01:41:11,780 --> 01:41:16,780
what is it? Man, this is tough. Cause I have to confess that when we went to Japan,

1361
01:41:16,780 --> 01:41:24,220
like went to the Pokemon cafe, for example, I was super unimpressed by the whole deal.

1362
01:41:24,220 --> 01:41:29,420
The food was not just not very good. Like it was functionally inedible, a lot of it.

1363
01:41:29,420 --> 01:41:31,100
We're sorry? In Japan.

1364
01:41:32,620 --> 01:41:38,180
It was packed. Like business was booming, but it was just kind of sucky.

1365
01:41:38,180 --> 01:41:42,220
And I just kind of wonder if the expectations

1366
01:41:42,220 --> 01:41:46,700
for a themed restaurant are totally different here because I wouldn't see a business like that

1367
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:51,500
succeeding very well here. Your food still has to be good.

1368
01:41:51,500 --> 01:41:55,300
Like I've never been, but my understanding is- Every food quality in Vancouver is actually insanely high.

1369
01:41:55,300 --> 01:41:58,340
My understanding is even like Hooters has decent food,

1370
01:41:58,340 --> 01:42:01,620
though I've never been there. That's what I've heard.

1371
01:42:01,620 --> 01:42:05,660
Don't quote me on that. But I don't think it's good enough to have a theme

1372
01:42:05,660 --> 01:42:09,300
with a themed restaurant with just like disgusting food

1373
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:13,460
in it here. Yeah, apparently the wings are great, says Chat.

1374
01:42:15,340 --> 01:42:20,420
Yeah, there you go. So they used to to know about nowadays, the wings are good.

1375
01:42:20,420 --> 01:42:23,540
Yeah. So maybe that's part of it.

1376
01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:28,140
And I think that one of the challenges is that in order to have like a gaming themed cafe,

1377
01:42:28,140 --> 01:42:31,820
it either is like sort of generic in which case

1378
01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:35,460
I don't know if it would appeal to people as much or you'd be paying licensing fees

1379
01:42:35,460 --> 01:42:40,380
because it's commercial use of the IP. And I think that affects the quality.

1380
01:42:40,380 --> 01:42:43,420
So like the Pokemon cafe seems to be actually run

1381
01:42:43,420 --> 01:42:50,020
by the Pokemon company. And so the kind of margin that these licensed brands expect

1382
01:42:53,940 --> 01:42:58,900
has a direct impact on the quality of the product in a lot of cases has been my experience.

1383
01:43:03,540 --> 01:43:06,860
With that said, I mean, I think we've talked about,

1384
01:43:06,900 --> 01:43:12,500
you know, restaurant ideas before and like Yvonne and I have talked about lots and lots of business ideas

1385
01:43:12,500 --> 01:43:15,780
over the years. Like one idea that I had a while back

1386
01:43:15,780 --> 01:43:20,780
that I thought would be super cool is I wanted to create

1387
01:43:23,700 --> 01:43:27,300
like like toddler land.

1388
01:43:27,300 --> 01:43:30,860
And so the idea was that it would be like an attraction

1389
01:43:30,860 --> 01:43:34,700
for adults where you have this warehouse

1390
01:43:34,740 --> 01:43:38,620
that you decorate the outside to look like a normal house

1391
01:43:38,620 --> 01:43:43,580
but everything is scaled up. You walk through a giant front door

1392
01:43:43,580 --> 01:43:46,300
and you experience this entire environment

1393
01:43:47,300 --> 01:43:51,620
like what it would be like to be thigh high to an adult.

1394
01:43:51,620 --> 01:43:56,860
So there's like giant stairs and you can like sit and eat a meal at a giant table

1395
01:43:56,860 --> 01:44:01,460
with giant cutlery and like, I don't know, it'd just be like a weird, it'd be such a like a,

1396
01:44:01,460 --> 01:44:07,220
you know, an Instagrammable like thing to do. Big spoon on like suspension crane wires

1397
01:44:07,220 --> 01:44:11,660
that like flies food towards you. Well, not even that, no, I hadn't gotten that far

1398
01:44:11,660 --> 01:44:16,140
because that would be a lot of work. Sweet though. Mostly it was just going to be creating a giant environment.

1399
01:44:16,140 --> 01:44:21,700
It was kind of inspired by these upside down houses that you can go to, but just like...

1400
01:44:21,700 --> 01:44:26,660
Have you ever been to dark table? I have, yeah. I like those types of experiences personally.

1401
01:44:26,660 --> 01:44:30,300
Would the meals also be giant portions? Yeah, I mean, sure, yeah, I'd be down.

1402
01:44:31,300 --> 01:44:34,980
Like you source produce that's like oversized and stuff

1403
01:44:34,980 --> 01:44:38,980
and like, I don't know, I don't know, just like wacky ideas, but...

1404
01:44:38,980 --> 01:44:43,980
I've always had this kind of brainworm idea

1405
01:44:44,340 --> 01:44:47,020
that like, if I don't want to,

1406
01:44:48,900 --> 01:44:54,540
if I finally just want to chill, I would like go, you know, move further out

1407
01:44:54,540 --> 01:44:57,500
than where we are now to a smaller area

1408
01:44:57,620 --> 01:45:02,620
and then open just like a very small corner cafe diner thing

1409
01:45:03,180 --> 01:45:07,180
like Luke in Gilmore Girls and just like do that.

1410
01:45:07,180 --> 01:45:10,620
Interesting. To be like, I'm just going to chill now. And I would have to have enough money

1411
01:45:10,620 --> 01:45:13,980
that it wouldn't have to be super profitable

1412
01:45:13,980 --> 01:45:18,020
or maybe even profitable at all because like those types of businesses are often...

1413
01:45:18,020 --> 01:45:22,060
You'd want to buy the property outright. Maybe find one that's commercial zoned on the bottom

1414
01:45:22,060 --> 01:45:25,940
and then live above it kind of thing. And then just live above it like he does in Gilmore Girls, exactly.

1415
01:45:25,940 --> 01:45:28,960
Are you a Gilmore Girls fan? Oh, yeah. Really?

1416
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:32,300
Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah. Huh.

1417
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:35,660
Yeah. Hold on. Okay. Let's play a game. True.

1418
01:45:35,660 --> 01:45:38,780
I mean, I haven't watched it in a long time, but yeah.

1419
01:45:38,780 --> 01:45:42,700
Well, yeah, it hasn't been airing for a long time. Like, are you like quizzing me?

1420
01:45:42,700 --> 01:45:47,460
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to quiz you. I've only seen bits and pieces. I'm just trying to figure out...

1421
01:45:47,460 --> 01:45:51,460
The game I want to play is I want to try to guess what it is that you like about it.

1422
01:45:51,460 --> 01:45:55,940
Okay. So I think you probably like the Smart Snappy Dialogue.

1423
01:45:55,940 --> 01:45:59,540
Yes. Absolutely. Very much so.

1424
01:45:59,540 --> 01:46:02,540
That's a huge part of the draw. It's not the only draw. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.

1425
01:46:02,540 --> 01:46:10,340
That's why I started there. That's why I started there. I think you like probably the relatively realistic

1426
01:46:10,340 --> 01:46:16,600
and believable character interactions. It's very dramatic as a show,

1427
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:20,140
but it doesn't get into like, I cannot believe that any human

1428
01:46:20,140 --> 01:46:22,940
would behave this way territory, I think, for the most part.

1429
01:46:25,380 --> 01:46:29,460
That's kind of all you need. It is very dramatic, but there's never usually like,

1430
01:46:29,460 --> 01:46:32,940
like I don't think there's any like murders.

1431
01:46:32,940 --> 01:46:36,420
Yeah. It's not like, oh my, oh my goodness.

1432
01:46:36,420 --> 01:46:39,460
It's like... It stays pretty grounded. Yeah.

1433
01:46:42,900 --> 01:46:45,980
What else? For me?

1434
01:46:45,980 --> 01:46:49,340
Yeah. I'm answering now. Yeah, I found some of the characters pretty relatable.

1435
01:46:49,340 --> 01:46:52,380
I found the mistakes that the characters go through

1436
01:46:52,380 --> 01:46:58,140
or like the choices that I didn't agree with to feel very human, if that makes sense.

1437
01:46:58,140 --> 01:47:01,820
Like I might not have agreed with the choice that this one person did,

1438
01:47:01,820 --> 01:47:05,220
but I could see them doing it.

1439
01:47:05,220 --> 01:47:08,260
Or I could see like one of my friends like doing this thing or whatever.

1440
01:47:08,260 --> 01:47:11,940
I found Rory insufferable. Often, yeah. I just like it like...

1441
01:47:11,940 --> 01:47:15,620
She's not my favorite character. Sometimes there's characters that I dislike enough

1442
01:47:15,620 --> 01:47:20,980
as people that I just kind of have a hard time watching the show. And I just found her extremely difficult to be around.

1443
01:47:20,980 --> 01:47:25,620
In my opinion, and someone in chat said this, but I'm not actually just copying them.

1444
01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:29,460
It's also my opinion. The show is about Lorelai and Luke.

1445
01:47:29,460 --> 01:47:33,260
Right. And I didn't like Luke just because he shares my name.

1446
01:47:33,260 --> 01:47:37,980
You're not that shallow? No, not quite. Because I definitely...

1447
01:47:37,980 --> 01:47:41,340
And his character is just... I root for any character named Linus.

1448
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:43,340
I get so few Ws, Luke.

1449
01:47:45,780 --> 01:47:49,260
There isn't that many Luke's either, but the ones that I do have are pretty cool.

1450
01:47:49,260 --> 01:47:53,220
You literally have an apostle. I don't wanna hear about it. I have that.

1451
01:47:53,220 --> 01:47:57,020
Skywalker's pretty sick. Luke from Gilmore Girls is pretty based.

1452
01:47:57,020 --> 01:48:00,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't wanna hear about it. We've got it going on.

1453
01:48:02,020 --> 01:48:05,340
Yeah, I don't know. It's just a good show. I like...

1454
01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:10,660
I find... Some people might not even like this,

1455
01:48:10,660 --> 01:48:14,380
but I don't care. I find a lot of modern media is like,

1456
01:48:14,380 --> 01:48:18,420
ugh, like it's all about the grays.

1457
01:48:18,420 --> 01:48:21,820
Like, you know, the evil guys, you should probably like them a lot.

1458
01:48:21,820 --> 01:48:25,540
And the good guys are like actually really bad. And meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh.

1459
01:48:25,540 --> 01:48:29,380
We're gonna make sure that you come out of this learning something and having moral questions.

1460
01:48:29,380 --> 01:48:32,460
And like, sometimes I just wanna watch something and be like, cool.

1461
01:48:32,460 --> 01:48:35,860
Yeah, the Nazi's lost. Yeah. And that's good. Good.

1462
01:48:35,860 --> 01:48:39,900
Like, I just leave it alone. I don't... Anyways.

1463
01:48:39,900 --> 01:48:44,060
And there's another form of content that aligns with that whole concept,

1464
01:48:44,060 --> 01:48:47,140
which is just where it's like relatively casual

1465
01:48:47,140 --> 01:48:50,780
and you actually just wanna relax and watch something.

1466
01:48:50,780 --> 01:48:54,060
And I think Gilmore Girls falls in line with that.

1467
01:48:54,060 --> 01:48:57,540
There's another like, there's a Canadian show

1468
01:48:57,540 --> 01:49:01,460
where it follows a family that owns a,

1469
01:49:02,660 --> 01:49:05,980
it's like a convenience store or something. Oh, Kim's Convenience. Kim's Convenience.

1470
01:49:05,980 --> 01:49:10,860
Yeah. I like Kim's Convenience. Okay. For I think similar, but not the same reasons

1471
01:49:10,860 --> 01:49:15,180
why I like Gilmore Girls. I thought Gilmore Girls was better,

1472
01:49:15,180 --> 01:49:19,740
but I still thought Kim's Convenience was pretty good. Yeah, it wasn't something like Kim's Convenience

1473
01:49:19,780 --> 01:49:23,820
wasn't something I was gonna sit down and watch dedicated. Sure. But if it was on.

1474
01:49:23,820 --> 01:49:27,340
Yeah, it's cool. Yeah. And like Gilmore Girls was somewhat similar.

1475
01:49:27,340 --> 01:49:30,620
I used to watch Gilmore Girls because the computer at my parents' house

1476
01:49:30,620 --> 01:49:34,460
was in the family room where the TV was.

1477
01:49:34,460 --> 01:49:39,980
So like my mom would be watching Gilmore Girls or whatever. And it was good enough that I would like headphones off

1478
01:49:39,980 --> 01:49:42,980
and like actually pay attention to it while I'm doing other things.

1479
01:49:42,980 --> 01:49:45,980
Slice of Life shows. Yeah, another chill. Slice of Life shows.

1480
01:49:45,980 --> 01:49:51,980
Or you can go on the dramatic level and have more intense topics,

1481
01:49:51,980 --> 01:49:56,380
but I often do like it when it's like, yeah, the Nazis lost and the Nazis are bad.

1482
01:49:56,380 --> 01:50:03,220
There's a time and place for the like, the morally gray, learn things, question things content,

1483
01:50:03,220 --> 01:50:07,380
but it's just, it's so constant these days. It's just like, man, relax.

1484
01:50:07,380 --> 01:50:12,820
I don't, I actually just wanna chill. The world has enough of this already.

1485
01:50:12,820 --> 01:50:16,020
Have you looked at politics at all?

1486
01:50:16,020 --> 01:50:18,020
I don't need more of that personally.

1487
01:50:19,860 --> 01:50:22,940
My goodness. All right, I forget what the question was,

1488
01:50:22,940 --> 01:50:27,580
but go ahead, Dan, hit us with another merge message. Yeah, sure, yeah.

1489
01:50:27,580 --> 01:50:31,260
What even is this show about? How did we get, was that a merge message? I think so.

1490
01:50:31,260 --> 01:50:34,420
Yeah, that was a merge message for the last 15 minutes. Hey, Wanda Diallo.

1491
01:50:34,420 --> 01:50:38,060
With the PS5 Pro comes my continued sorrow

1492
01:50:38,060 --> 01:50:42,140
that storage is soldered. Thoughts about the idea that PS4 hardware

1493
01:50:42,140 --> 01:50:46,380
could outlive PS5 hardware since high failure components can be replaced.

1494
01:50:47,380 --> 01:50:52,740
That's an interesting question. And to be clear, I wanna acknowledge

1495
01:50:52,740 --> 01:50:57,740
that the PlayStation 5 has some non-soldered storage.

1496
01:50:57,740 --> 01:51:00,900
It does have a storage bay that you can install

1497
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:04,140
an M.2 SSD in which, in my opinion,

1498
01:51:04,140 --> 01:51:09,140
was such a pro-consumer, like healthy move that I can't,

1499
01:51:11,780 --> 01:51:15,420
I can't say enough how unexpected it was for me

1500
01:51:15,780 --> 01:51:18,100
from Sony of all players.

1501
01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:22,660
But with that said, what Eric points out

1502
01:51:22,660 --> 01:51:26,580
is that the boot SSD is very much soldered

1503
01:51:26,580 --> 01:51:29,860
and you cannot boot off of that M.2 drive.

1504
01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:36,740
Could PS4 hardware outlive PS5 hardware

1505
01:51:36,740 --> 01:51:40,220
because you can just replace the drive anytime you want?

1506
01:51:40,220 --> 01:51:43,900
Man, I'd love to think that Sony could issue

1507
01:51:43,900 --> 01:51:50,820
an update or something that would allow you to move all of the boot partition,

1508
01:51:50,820 --> 01:51:55,420
like any necessary OS files over to the M.2 drive.

1509
01:51:56,340 --> 01:52:00,740
I kinda don't think they would. But then I didn't think they would have an M.2 slot

1510
01:52:00,740 --> 01:52:06,860
in the first place, so I don't know, maybe they would. But remember, Sony acknowledges, I think,

1511
01:52:06,860 --> 01:52:10,780
that the performance of the M.2 slot is not as high

1512
01:52:10,780 --> 01:52:15,880
as the soldered SSD. But then I don't think we've seen a game yet

1513
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:20,480
where it's made a difference. I think, really, my answer to all of this

1514
01:52:20,480 --> 01:52:25,960
is that it should be terrifying for anyone who's into consoles that it's basically

1515
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:29,240
just PlayStation right now. That is horrible.

1516
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:32,240
It's very bad. Does it matter? Absolutely.

1517
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:36,440
Well, hold on, hold on, let me finish. Does it matter if every Sony exclusive's

1518
01:52:36,440 --> 01:52:40,000
just gonna come to PC anyway? I'll let you finish, but.

1519
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:44,080
Oh, I did finish, I finished. No, I'm doing the Kanye reference.

1520
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:49,080
I know the reference, but I'm already done talking. All right, all right, all right.

1521
01:52:49,080 --> 01:52:53,760
I think it does. I think it matters for console people.

1522
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:58,520
For PC people, I don't think it makes a difference. What's a console person even gonna be in a few years?

1523
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:02,760
I mean, Microsoft has publicly acknowledged SteamOS now.

1524
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:05,840
I think we're going to get a Windows console OS

1525
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:10,520
for handheld, at which point we're gonna get a Windows console OS for desktop,

1526
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:14,320
because it's basically the same thing. Get that, then I think it's fine,

1527
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:18,680
but I've heard no whispers of that. And honestly, PC on a TV right now

1528
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:21,960
is not a great experience. It's not a console-like experience.

1529
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:25,320
It's not great. You can configure Steam to launch on startup

1530
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:29,080
and launch in big picture, but. It's not. You're 100% right.

1531
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:32,440
Like there is, I don't care,

1532
01:53:32,440 --> 01:53:36,480
but I understand the reasons why certain people like consoles.

1533
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:40,640
And they're getting less solid,

1534
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:45,760
because consoles are getting more annoying to use, I think over time, they're just weird and sucks.

1535
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:51,640
But back in the day, the argument was like, with my N64, put thing in, turn thing on,

1536
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:55,760
I am playing game. That's it, which is awesome.

1537
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:59,200
It was so funny. I saw one comment that had a fair number of upvotes

1538
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:02,760
that was just like, there's like charging more

1539
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:06,600
for just like, it's like slightly better and it's more expensive.

1540
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:11,600
And I was just like, just like on PCs.

1541
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:16,640
Sorry, man, but welcome to the party. Yeah, exactly.

1542
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:22,120
I apologize that you're here. Yeah, yeah, and?

1543
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:28,440
But yeah, no, they're so PC-like, you're right. Yeah, which unfortunately, they seem to be inheriting

1544
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:33,440
a lot of the negative aspects of PCs and not inheriting as many of the good ones.

1545
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:38,520
While PCs are actually gaining good things from consoles.

1546
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:43,040
Consoles are retaining a lot of the negativity that they've had, like paying for access

1547
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:46,400
to online multiplayer, like that is mind-blowing.

1548
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,560
And you look at the way that Microsoft has just

1549
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:53,200
brazenly changed the way that Game Pass works

1550
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:56,800
so that it kind of sucks on Xbox compared to on a PC.

1551
01:54:56,800 --> 01:55:01,920
Yeah. And effectively have just said, I don't know, get good by a PC, then if you wanna get a good deal

1552
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:08,680
and gain the tablets, what? Yeah, it's I think a somewhat uncomfortable time

1553
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:12,120
to be a console gamer, especially if you're an Xbox console

1554
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:16,960
gamer, but even if you're a PlayStation console gamer, it's just all little uncomfortable right now.

1555
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:20,440
And if you're someone who's like a TV gamer,

1556
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:23,440
maybe let's call it that, then yeah, it's just awkward

1557
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:27,160
because Windows isn't an amazing solution.

1558
01:55:27,160 --> 01:55:31,680
You can do it, but it's, yeah, it's not great.

1559
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:33,920
As long as you need a keyboard and a mouse,

1560
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:39,000
couch solutions for that are just kind of awkward and really bulky.

1561
01:55:39,940 --> 01:55:44,620
And I don't think there's any getting away from that, to be honest. No, but there's so many games that you can play on PC

1562
01:55:44,620 --> 01:55:48,280
with a controller now, like it's kind of solved,

1563
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:52,720
essentially. It helps a lot. Speaking of which, speaking of games

1564
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:57,560
that you could play with a controller, I have a hot take that the internet is not going

1565
01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:00,780
to like me for. You played more of Final Fantasy six

1566
01:56:00,780 --> 01:56:04,900
and it's not that good. No, I did play more of it. It's very good.

1567
01:56:04,900 --> 01:56:11,660
Nice. I'm still very happy with that game. It's going to take me a long time to beat it, but on a, I got pushed with a very strong recommendation

1568
01:56:11,660 --> 01:56:15,220
to at least try a game. Uh-oh. So I did.

1569
01:56:15,220 --> 01:56:18,300
What game? And so far it's really good.

1570
01:56:19,860 --> 01:56:21,940
What game? Star Wars Outlaws.

1571
01:56:22,860 --> 01:56:27,020
Oh. It's really good so far. I thought people said it was okay.

1572
01:56:27,020 --> 01:56:30,580
I thought people said it was terrible. Wait, no, I'm thinking of Jedi Survivor. Yeah.

1573
01:56:30,580 --> 01:56:33,940
Okay. So sorry. Is that a hot take? Outlaws?

1574
01:56:33,940 --> 01:56:37,940
Do people hate outlaws? It's because it's from Ubisoft,

1575
01:56:37,940 --> 01:56:41,700
which is I think why people don't like it after playing the game.

1576
01:56:41,700 --> 01:56:45,300
It has one of the coolest, I'm going to say most innovative and then someone's going to be like,

1577
01:56:45,300 --> 01:56:48,300
oh, they lifted it from this any game. I'm sorry. I didn't know.

1578
01:56:48,300 --> 01:56:52,060
Most innovative like lock picking mechanics. The story seems really good so far.

1579
01:56:52,060 --> 01:56:57,660
The characters seem cool. The design of the environments are fantastic.

1580
01:56:57,820 --> 01:57:03,140
The city that I'm in is awesome. There's some things that leave things to be desired.

1581
01:57:03,140 --> 01:57:06,900
I think the speeder driving mechanics are not great.

1582
01:57:06,900 --> 01:57:11,500
I think the general gun play isn't fantastic. Yeah, people are mad that you can't shoot and also drive at the same time or something.

1583
01:57:11,500 --> 01:57:16,820
Kind of weird. Yeah, okay. You can use a ability to do like...

1584
01:57:16,820 --> 01:57:21,580
Like a take down or whatever it is. Like an ultimate kind of... Yeah, but it has to like charge up.

1585
01:57:21,580 --> 01:57:23,420
That is definitely awkward.

1586
01:57:25,420 --> 01:57:28,700
But it also has barely impacted my gameplay at all, so I don't care.

1587
01:57:28,700 --> 01:57:32,300
I haven't played that much. So maybe it becomes more of a thing the more you play. I don't know.

1588
01:57:33,940 --> 01:57:36,540
But so far, having played it,

1589
01:57:40,860 --> 01:57:47,540
I think most people are saying it's bad because Ubisoft is bad, not because the game is bad.

1590
01:57:47,540 --> 01:57:50,580
I think the game is pretty good. How many hours are you in?

1591
01:57:50,580 --> 01:57:54,500
Counting it in hours is already becoming disingenuous.

1592
01:57:54,500 --> 01:57:59,500
I'm not that far in. I'm through the intro to the game area

1593
01:57:59,500 --> 01:58:02,620
and then I've spent probably like 20 minutes after that and then that's it.

1594
01:58:02,620 --> 01:58:05,620
So I'm not that far into the game. But like the sound is great.

1595
01:58:06,500 --> 01:58:10,540
The story already has me quite interested. The lockpicking mechanic is so cool

1596
01:58:10,540 --> 01:58:13,700
that there's a thing that constantly turns.

1597
01:58:13,700 --> 01:58:17,820
And then in a rhythm, it like shows the pattern that you have to do.

1598
01:58:17,820 --> 01:58:23,460
And then as it comes back around making like ticking noises, you have to like almost preemptively press along

1599
01:58:23,460 --> 01:58:28,060
with the rhythm and then it unlocks for you, which is like actually kind of fun and satisfying.

1600
01:58:28,060 --> 01:58:31,300
You like feel like you did well when you did it

1601
01:58:31,300 --> 01:58:35,140
instead of a lot of other lockpicking mechanics and games where it's just like tedium.

1602
01:58:35,140 --> 01:58:40,380
Right. I don't know. I just can't with Star Wars anymore, dude.

1603
01:58:40,380 --> 01:58:44,580
I just, I... Oh, I'm just, I'm just, I'm completely ignoring that at Star Wars.

1604
01:58:44,580 --> 01:58:47,900
Oh, okay. That makes sense. I haven't seen a lightsaber in the game yet.

1605
01:58:47,900 --> 01:58:54,460
I don't think it matters. You're like outer rim, whatever, space out law person.

1606
01:58:54,820 --> 01:58:58,500
Okay. No part of the game so far has been in like Star Wars

1607
01:58:58,500 --> 01:59:02,100
has not been important even slightly so far.

1608
01:59:03,140 --> 01:59:08,500
I don't think we've ran into a single character that's like a major character from the mainline series.

1609
01:59:08,500 --> 01:59:13,460
Personally yet, there's no lightsabers. No, there's no even reference to any of it so far.

1610
01:59:13,460 --> 01:59:17,460
There are technically stormtroopers. I think I've seen like four and they didn't matter.

1611
01:59:19,060 --> 01:59:23,620
Yeah. Okay. And the last one,

1612
01:59:23,700 --> 01:59:27,900
I think I've got for you here. Hello Linus Duke and Dan question for Luke.

1613
01:59:27,900 --> 01:59:31,220
I currently am desperately searching for a job

1614
01:59:31,220 --> 01:59:36,780
at a market that seems almost dead for developers. What do you think of jobs that ghost applicants?

1615
01:59:36,780 --> 01:59:41,980
We've done it by accident. I am sincerely sorry for anyone

1616
01:59:41,980 --> 01:59:44,240
that we ever didn't get back to.

1617
01:59:45,380 --> 01:59:50,740
It was not our intent. Sometimes I end up doing it and I don't also,

1618
01:59:50,740 --> 01:59:54,020
like he's saying intend to, but for some of the positions here,

1619
01:59:54,020 --> 01:59:58,980
we just get an insane amount of applicants and it's a little bit hard to keep track.

1620
01:59:58,980 --> 02:00:03,500
You can keep bumping to get a response, but in general, you're recognizing

1621
02:00:03,500 --> 02:00:07,380
that it's a tough market out there. Don't just apply to one place.

1622
02:00:07,380 --> 02:00:11,060
Yeah. And don't wait. Dude, I had not one.

1623
02:00:11,060 --> 02:00:14,100
You gotta take care of yourself first. But two articles in my newsfeed,

1624
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:21,300
like before even refreshing that were like, I've applied to 900 jobs and like haven't gotten an interview.

1625
02:00:21,300 --> 02:00:28,260
And I've applied to 400 jobs and haven't gotten an interview. It seems like it's getting hungry out there.

1626
02:00:28,260 --> 02:00:33,380
A big part of the problem is? Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, spicy taking coming.

1627
02:00:33,380 --> 02:00:36,540
No. Oh, okay. AI written applications.

1628
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:41,980
Oh. AI written cover letters, AI written applications. Like they're so good.

1629
02:00:41,980 --> 02:00:45,780
Application rates at jobs are going through the roof, not in line with unemployment

1630
02:00:46,740 --> 02:00:51,340
because the barrier to apply to places is lower than ever,

1631
02:00:51,340 --> 02:00:54,700
especially when they ask for cover letters and stuff, because people just aren't writing them.

1632
02:00:54,700 --> 02:01:00,060
Interesting. And then the average quality of people's writing is going up

1633
02:01:00,060 --> 02:01:03,420
because a lot of AI writing is better than the average person's writing.

1634
02:01:03,420 --> 02:01:05,580
Uh-huh. Yeah.

1635
02:01:08,540 --> 02:01:14,180
Now, tell me this. If you're using AI to write your application

1636
02:01:14,220 --> 02:01:17,860
and then they're using AI to sort it. Yep.

1637
02:01:17,860 --> 02:01:23,220
This is a whole thing. How are the humans actually involved in this transaction?

1638
02:01:23,220 --> 02:01:27,740
I don't really think it's going to have to find some way

1639
02:01:27,740 --> 02:01:32,500
to change the dynamic of how hiring works. I don't know what the answer is, but...

1640
02:01:32,500 --> 02:01:37,100
We go back to everything's in person. You walk into a store and hand in a resume

1641
02:01:37,100 --> 02:01:42,220
like your dad told you to. Yeah, we meet potential employees at, like,

1642
02:01:42,380 --> 02:01:47,620
you know, events and adventures. We have to go back to online dating,

1643
02:01:47,620 --> 02:01:50,620
but for, like, jobs? I feel like...

1644
02:01:50,620 --> 02:01:54,060
Speed applications. You all get together and, like,

1645
02:01:54,060 --> 02:01:56,940
do, like, speed dating, but, like, job applications.

1646
02:02:04,820 --> 02:02:08,900
Crazy. No, do not show up here with a resume. I'm just saying.

1647
02:02:08,900 --> 02:02:13,060
You know what was very surprising to me? When we did the screwdriver pop-up.

1648
02:02:13,060 --> 02:02:16,060
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Tim, zero, zero, zero, X3.

1649
02:02:16,060 --> 02:02:20,740
And I actually do believe this. My brother-in-law uses a bot to apply to 1,000 jobs a day.

1650
02:02:20,740 --> 02:02:23,060
He got 10 offers since he started zero before.

1651
02:02:24,460 --> 02:02:26,260
And people hear that.

1652
02:02:28,780 --> 02:02:33,700
So then they start doing that because if you're getting zero offers, you're desperate, right?

1653
02:02:33,700 --> 02:02:36,740
You're going to do something. This makes sense. You have to self-preserve, right?

1654
02:02:36,740 --> 02:02:40,540
People are going to try to fight. So they're going to hear that and they're going to start doing that.

1655
02:02:40,540 --> 02:02:43,580
And now this person who was previously able to apply

1656
02:02:43,580 --> 02:02:48,340
to, I don't know, maybe 50 jobs a day, Max, is now applying to 1,000.

1657
02:02:48,340 --> 02:02:53,100
Then you times that by a bunch of people. And then all the workplaces have too many applications.

1658
02:02:53,100 --> 02:02:57,740
So it either takes them basically months to go through it, which is what, like, some of the positions I've had

1659
02:02:57,740 --> 02:03:01,260
where I have 2,200 applicants, like, yeah, it's going to take an obscene amount of time

1660
02:03:01,260 --> 02:03:06,980
to go through it all. Or they don't feel like doing all that work.

1661
02:03:06,980 --> 02:03:12,380
So they just sort it with some algorithm or AI reading thing or something.

1662
02:03:12,380 --> 02:03:16,660
So like, yeah, this is broken, basically.

1663
02:03:16,660 --> 02:03:21,020
And I'm not, I'm genuinely, I have no clue what the next step is, but I really hope,

1664
02:03:21,020 --> 02:03:27,900
I don't know, some startup or something finds some solution to solve this, because it's...

1665
02:03:29,980 --> 02:03:33,220
So... It's bad. At the precision pop-up,

1666
02:03:33,220 --> 02:03:36,940
I noticed we had a little booth

1667
02:03:36,940 --> 02:03:41,860
that was like an LMG jobs booth. You know, Ariana and the new HR.

1668
02:03:41,860 --> 02:03:45,500
Oh, shoot. Probation, I think.

1669
02:03:45,500 --> 02:03:48,940
Well, whatever, whoops. Pretty sure that's wrong anyway, so I think you're okay.

1670
02:03:48,940 --> 02:03:49,780
Nice.

1671
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:56,780
Yeah, let's go with that. I'm going to say pretty sure, but yeah.

1672
02:03:56,780 --> 02:03:59,860
Cool, anyway, they were there and I dropped in,

1673
02:03:59,860 --> 02:04:03,660
I was just like, what are you guys doing here?

1674
02:04:03,660 --> 02:04:07,540
And they were like, oh yeah, it was someone in management's idea.

1675
02:04:07,540 --> 02:04:12,580
And I'm like, they're like, why? Is it a problem? I'm like, no, it just wouldn't have occurred to me

1676
02:04:12,580 --> 02:04:16,460
in a thousand years to have like an LMG jobs booth

1677
02:04:16,460 --> 02:04:20,300
at like a product launch pop-up thing.

1678
02:04:20,300 --> 02:04:24,580
But I talked to them after the fact, and they were like, yeah, we were actually like,

1679
02:04:26,980 --> 02:04:31,380
what's the, not bumping, pumping, bumping would be like club, right?

1680
02:04:31,380 --> 02:04:36,420
Yeah, they were like, boomin', boomin', business was boomin', was effectively what they said.

1681
02:04:36,420 --> 02:04:39,660
And I was like, oh, that is cool.

1682
02:04:39,660 --> 02:04:44,020
And I guess in the context of this conversation,

1683
02:04:44,020 --> 02:04:51,060
that makes sense, like we're going back to human connections, to wild, right?

1684
02:04:51,420 --> 02:04:58,140
Like that's not what I was told growing up. I was told, send your resume, maybe drop it off,

1685
02:04:58,140 --> 02:05:03,260
ask to speak to a hiring manager, but like good luck, none of them are going to talk to you by the time that advice made its way to me.

1686
02:05:03,260 --> 02:05:07,500
So, wild.

1687
02:05:07,500 --> 02:05:11,200
I don't know if I ever got a job out of the blue.

1688
02:05:12,620 --> 02:05:15,340
Trying to think, like I volunteered at the pool.

1689
02:05:16,740 --> 02:05:21,500
Oh, dude. What? My family just, oh yeah, all of us.

1690
02:05:22,700 --> 02:05:29,300
My mom got into the film industry by biking up to a film set and like talking to the director.

1691
02:05:30,340 --> 02:05:33,820
And then the director could tell, they were in like the middle of nowhere.

1692
02:05:33,820 --> 02:05:37,020
So he was like, yeah, sure, bring me a resume like today as like a joke.

1693
02:05:37,020 --> 02:05:40,620
And she actually biked all the way back home and then biked all the way back to the set

1694
02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:46,340
and gave a resume. And he was like, that's not sure, you have a job. And then she became, that was a union position.

1695
02:05:46,340 --> 02:05:50,580
So she skipped the whole, like you have to work through Indies to get into the union thing

1696
02:05:50,580 --> 02:05:53,900
because she technically got union hours from that, meaning that she was in the union.

1697
02:05:53,900 --> 02:05:56,940
So then she was just working for like big Netflix shows immediately.

1698
02:05:59,340 --> 02:06:03,340
Almost all of my early career jobs, I just got by like basically showing up

1699
02:06:03,340 --> 02:06:07,420
and being like, I'll work right now. I can do this right now.

1700
02:06:07,420 --> 02:06:09,060
And they were like, sure.

1701
02:06:12,500 --> 02:06:14,620
I'm sure my brother has similar stories.

1702
02:06:15,940 --> 02:06:18,420
My family's kind of, yeah, we've been all over that.

1703
02:06:20,420 --> 02:06:24,700
Huh. Yeah. In response to your question, how'd I get a job at NCIX?

1704
02:06:24,700 --> 02:06:29,540
I was well known on their forum. They had thousands and thousands of posts.

1705
02:06:29,540 --> 02:06:35,460
They very much knew who I was before I showed up with the resume. Kind of how Sean got a job, sort of.

1706
02:06:35,460 --> 02:06:39,460
He still had to like- From our info team. Win the interview rounds or whatever.

1707
02:06:39,460 --> 02:06:43,060
He had to go through the process. But we absolutely knew who he was. Yeah.

1708
02:06:45,140 --> 02:06:48,900
All right. But yeah, it sucks out there.

1709
02:06:48,900 --> 02:06:54,060
It sucks real bad. It sucks for both sides because I've gone to pretty crazy lengths

1710
02:06:54,060 --> 02:06:58,700
and it's sometimes taken a long time to fill positions in some of my teams

1711
02:06:58,700 --> 02:07:04,180
because of the insane waves of applicants we'll get. The most we ever got, I think was like 22, 2300.

1712
02:07:04,180 --> 02:07:11,860
But properly giving an appropriate amount of time to each one of the 22-ish, 100 applications is brutal.

1713
02:07:12,220 --> 02:07:17,740
Hold on a second. Who is Top Gear 1224? Says he was notorious actually.

1714
02:07:17,740 --> 02:07:20,860
What? What was your username on the NCIX forum?

1715
02:07:20,860 --> 02:07:22,180
You too, Tybeck.

1716
02:07:24,540 --> 02:07:29,740
I wanna know now. A new line is from the NCIX forum. Let's see if I remembered them.

1717
02:07:29,740 --> 02:07:32,980
Or if I get to pull Thanos, I don't even know who you are.

1718
02:07:36,060 --> 02:07:40,060
Yeah, we'll see if we get a response anyway. Sorry, I got distracted there.

1719
02:07:40,060 --> 02:07:44,500
Yeah, I know. So it sucks for the people putting in applications.

1720
02:07:44,500 --> 02:07:51,220
And it also sucks for the other side because I don't know that having an ocean of applicants

1721
02:07:51,220 --> 02:07:55,580
actually means that you are for sure going to get

1722
02:07:55,620 --> 02:08:00,540
the best one, because it's such a crap shoot. When you're just going off of pieces of paper

1723
02:08:00,540 --> 02:08:04,860
that try to describe a person, it's like, no dude.

1724
02:08:04,860 --> 02:08:08,580
Depends on what they're applying for. Like if they're applying for a writing position,

1725
02:08:08,580 --> 02:08:11,740
piece of paper is pretty good. Yeah, maybe. As long as they actually wrote it.

1726
02:08:11,740 --> 02:08:15,780
If the piece of paper is writing, but are you actually getting the writing sample

1727
02:08:15,780 --> 02:08:18,820
with the initial application? Or are you just getting the resume and stuff

1728
02:08:18,820 --> 02:08:22,740
and then you request the writing sample afterwards? Depends. I mean, a lot of the time you can,

1729
02:08:22,740 --> 02:08:26,740
at least if they actually wrote it, you can tell a lot about someone's writing ability

1730
02:08:26,740 --> 02:08:31,500
from the resume. Another problem, cause it's pretty easy. Like, okay, cool.

1731
02:08:31,500 --> 02:08:36,340
We have this super Nido, was this written by AI checker,

1732
02:08:36,340 --> 02:08:39,780
except that so do the people that are trying to get past it.

1733
02:08:39,780 --> 02:08:42,780
So they can just make small edits until it says 0%.

1734
02:08:42,780 --> 02:08:45,000
Like it doesn't mean anything.

1735
02:08:46,700 --> 02:08:50,100
Top Gear was meming and Tyback says, you don't know me,

1736
02:08:50,100 --> 02:08:53,620
but you were impossible to miss on the NCIX forms.

1737
02:08:53,660 --> 02:08:58,140
Sounds likely. Yeah, that's kind of my jam. No, there's no archive, no key.

1738
02:08:58,140 --> 02:09:01,540
It's actually a real shame. There was a lot of tech knowledge lost there.

1739
02:09:02,460 --> 02:09:06,580
It was low key, like kind of an amazing resource,

1740
02:09:06,580 --> 02:09:11,260
an amazing archive because the threads about products

1741
02:09:11,260 --> 02:09:16,300
were tied to the bottom of the product page. So if you browsed the product archive,

1742
02:09:16,300 --> 02:09:21,740
you could find all this discussion about products that was highly, highly relevant

1743
02:09:21,740 --> 02:09:26,940
and probably difficult to track down anywhere else. It's a real shame that that site

1744
02:09:26,940 --> 02:09:30,060
is just vanished into the ether now.

1745
02:09:30,060 --> 02:09:35,060
I maintain that I would love to acquire the domain and IP

1746
02:09:35,060 --> 02:09:38,220
and resurrect it, but we have not been able

1747
02:09:38,220 --> 02:09:41,340
to reach an agreement that I consider

1748
02:09:41,340 --> 02:09:44,700
to be reasonable up until this time.

1749
02:09:44,700 --> 02:09:48,820
Taren asked me about it the other day though. He was like, do you like still want to do that?

1750
02:09:48,820 --> 02:09:54,300
Sure. Like if you can negotiate it, but the offer that I got last time was not,

1751
02:09:54,300 --> 02:09:58,500
had no basis in reality. So it was very difficult for me to...

1752
02:09:58,500 --> 02:10:03,180
As time goes on too, it's worth less and less. Like, are they recognizing that?

1753
02:10:03,180 --> 02:10:08,660
I don't know. I mean, I haven't talked to them about it in a while. Basically the last time I made an offer,

1754
02:10:08,660 --> 02:10:12,940
it was pretty much based on the cost of a four letter.com

1755
02:10:12,940 --> 02:10:16,740
and then plus like some.

1756
02:10:17,220 --> 02:10:21,660
And then what they came back to me with was essentially

1757
02:10:21,660 --> 02:10:26,340
an offer that would have some kind of like

1758
02:10:26,340 --> 02:10:30,740
long-term revenue share and like a bunch of, and I'm sitting here going,

1759
02:10:30,740 --> 02:10:34,020
you understand that this brand is like completely trashed

1760
02:10:34,020 --> 02:10:39,980
and worthless, right? Like it's not, even the people who know what NCIX is,

1761
02:10:41,140 --> 02:10:45,780
know that it imploded spectacularly and was like shady at the end.

1762
02:10:45,820 --> 02:10:49,220
Like it's, the IP is worth nothing.

1763
02:10:49,220 --> 02:10:52,540
The brand is worth nothing. It's a four letter.com.

1764
02:10:52,540 --> 02:10:56,580
The computers with people's personal information on them were auctioned off.

1765
02:10:56,580 --> 02:10:58,740
Yeah. Yeah, it's...

1766
02:11:01,100 --> 02:11:04,580
The bit man asks, if you got NCIX.com,

1767
02:11:04,580 --> 02:11:06,660
would you bring back the net linked name?

1768
02:11:07,900 --> 02:11:11,540
No, I think what I would do with the NCIX channel

1769
02:11:11,540 --> 02:11:15,100
is like a software and troubleshooting channel.

1770
02:11:15,940 --> 02:11:22,620
I think that would be the closest thing to sort of its origin story

1771
02:11:22,620 --> 02:11:25,780
while also fitting in well with our current portfolio of channels.

1772
02:11:25,780 --> 02:11:28,140
I would love to do something like that.

1773
02:11:30,540 --> 02:11:34,340
Yeah. Top Gear asks, is the issue of the creditors or the seller?

1774
02:11:34,340 --> 02:11:38,780
Or that's not really what they asked, but whatever, close enough. It's a combination, right?

1775
02:11:38,780 --> 02:11:43,220
Because the ownership of the IP

1776
02:11:43,220 --> 02:11:48,220
was not necessarily the corporate net linked computer ink.

1777
02:11:48,260 --> 02:11:51,340
So if I were to acquire it,

1778
02:11:51,340 --> 02:11:56,100
there could be some dispute as to who I was supposed to pay for it.

1779
02:11:56,100 --> 02:11:59,900
And none of that, as far as I can tell, has been legally resolved.

1780
02:11:59,900 --> 02:12:04,260
And no one who's involved has any interest

1781
02:12:04,260 --> 02:12:08,500
or any motivation to resolve it until someone comes in with a bag of money.

1782
02:12:08,500 --> 02:12:13,380
So it's kind of a chicken and egg problem. So I just think it's just gonna,

1783
02:12:13,380 --> 02:12:17,020
I just think it's gonna just languish forever.

1784
02:12:17,020 --> 02:12:20,260
And I think that's also something that the seller doesn't understand

1785
02:12:20,260 --> 02:12:24,660
is the baggage associated and the risk associated

1786
02:12:24,660 --> 02:12:29,420
with digging up this corpse could be diseased.

1787
02:12:29,420 --> 02:12:33,820
Well, just never sell it though. I mean, they'll die eventually.

1788
02:12:35,060 --> 02:12:40,020
But that's not them selling it. No, I just mean like, you know,

1789
02:12:40,460 --> 02:12:44,660
I remember telling my wife at some point, she wanted me to like pick something up. And I was like, any problem goes away

1790
02:12:44,660 --> 02:12:49,780
if you wait long enough. She's like, no, I'm like, no, really. I mean, yeah, eventually we're all just gonna,

1791
02:12:49,780 --> 02:12:53,980
you know, big crunch or whatever the current theory is for how the universe ends.

1792
02:12:53,980 --> 02:12:57,220
Now that this is gonna matter. Yeah, eventually. The fact that humans were on this planet

1793
02:12:57,220 --> 02:13:00,900
will be irrelevant. Eventually. Eventually. Yeah, sure.

1794
02:13:02,500 --> 02:13:07,240
When the sun just goes, whoop. Wait, we digging up corpses to eat?

1795
02:13:07,240 --> 02:13:10,540
No, no, no, just roadkill. I wanna be U.S. president.

1796
02:13:11,860 --> 02:13:15,380
It's recycling. All right, what are we talking about?

1797
02:13:15,380 --> 02:13:22,100
More topics. Oh, sure, yeah. This week in AI, strawberries, UI benefits,

1798
02:13:22,100 --> 02:13:25,500
and meta being meta. Do you wanna do the AI roundup?

1799
02:13:25,500 --> 02:13:28,540
Yeah, sure. There's some pretty interesting stuff this week. I wasn't sure.

1800
02:13:28,540 --> 02:13:33,540
I didn't know that strawberry was actually 01.

1801
02:13:34,940 --> 02:13:38,140
I don't know. I didn't dive super far into that.

1802
02:13:38,140 --> 02:13:42,260
So maybe the person who wrote this is correct. I just, I didn't think that was the case,

1803
02:13:42,260 --> 02:13:45,260
but I didn't verify this or anything.

1804
02:13:45,260 --> 02:13:49,580
So maybe it is, I'm not really sure. But either way, I'll go through the talking points

1805
02:13:49,580 --> 02:13:53,540
regardless, and then if you guys wanna look that up, if you care at all, then you look at that.

1806
02:13:53,540 --> 02:13:59,420
Sure. But I'll go through the talking points. OpenAI has unveiled its new strawberry AI language model.

1807
02:13:59,420 --> 02:14:04,220
Starberry. Star, star, star, I thought it was strawberry for days.

1808
02:14:04,220 --> 02:14:07,540
Oh, wait, no, it is strawberry. Oh, it's starberry in the dark.

1809
02:14:08,020 --> 02:14:11,820
Why do I not say starberry? Yeah, I thought it was strawberry. Gosh darn it, notes.

1810
02:14:11,820 --> 02:14:14,980
Okay, well, that's fine. Handyman is saying it is. Starberry 01.

1811
02:14:14,980 --> 02:14:17,980
I think he means- Strawberry 01. I think he means that it's-

1812
02:14:17,980 --> 02:14:22,420
Look, if you want real news, go watch a different show. This is just us talking.

1813
02:14:22,420 --> 02:14:26,220
I do have some cool stuff to show for this, but yeah. Okay, so strawberry, I guess it is the same thing.

1814
02:14:26,220 --> 02:14:33,420
Thank you, Handyman. I believe Handyman. So they unveiled their new strawberry AI language model,

1815
02:14:33,420 --> 02:14:38,380
which the company says has significantly improved reasoning and problem-solving abilities.

1816
02:14:38,380 --> 02:14:42,980
The new model's official name is OpenAI 01,

1817
02:14:42,980 --> 02:14:47,180
with initial versions available now, which are 01 Preview and 01 Mini.

1818
02:14:47,180 --> 02:14:50,940
OpenAI says that 01 Preview outdoes GPT-4O

1819
02:14:50,940 --> 02:14:54,820
in competitive programming, mathematics, and scientific reasoning.

1820
02:14:54,820 --> 02:14:58,540
Users, however, say that this improvement is far from global

1821
02:14:58,540 --> 02:15:02,260
and comes with significant delay due to the multi-step

1822
02:15:02,260 --> 02:15:06,900
processing occurring behind the scenes before answering a query. So we're just adding more power.

1823
02:15:06,900 --> 02:15:10,980
Before we move on to other this week in AI topics,

1824
02:15:10,980 --> 02:15:14,100
I want to go over some of the things that I did.

1825
02:15:14,100 --> 02:15:20,660
Oh, Luke did a thing. So one of the examples that they had was how many E's

1826
02:15:20,660 --> 02:15:24,700
are in the word strawberry, which is, I think, why- Or sorry, how many R's?

1827
02:15:24,700 --> 02:15:28,740
How many R's are E's or R's? Yeah, R's, I did E's because I wanted to switch it up.

1828
02:15:28,740 --> 02:15:33,140
How many R's? So how many R's are in strawberry? Hold on, is this a trick question?

1829
02:15:33,140 --> 02:15:36,700
Three? It used to say two. It used to say two.

1830
02:15:36,700 --> 02:15:41,780
So previous models would say two because it couldn't count very well.

1831
02:15:41,780 --> 02:15:45,500
It didn't have, it couldn't deconstruct problems, things like that.

1832
02:15:46,420 --> 02:15:50,300
Okay. So I dumped- Do you mind zooming a little?

1833
02:15:50,300 --> 02:15:53,820
Don't want to show you all that. Anyways, I already did. That's fine. We're doing some stuff with OVH.

1834
02:15:53,820 --> 02:15:57,620
It's going to be cool. I copied some texts that I had

1835
02:15:58,980 --> 02:16:02,340
and had it count the amount of E's that were in it. And it did it.

1836
02:16:02,340 --> 02:16:06,540
And then I was like, I don't want to verify that. So I made a smaller amount and then asked it to count that

1837
02:16:06,540 --> 02:16:11,780
and then I did verify it and they were correct. So it can count that properly now, which is cool.

1838
02:16:11,780 --> 02:16:15,860
Okay, I didn't know that was hard. That was not super easy.

1839
02:16:15,860 --> 02:16:20,860
And then I looked up a calculus question,

1840
02:16:23,380 --> 02:16:31,260
a fairly basic one as far as my understanding goes. And I compared its answer to what the internet said.

1841
02:16:32,500 --> 02:16:34,780
And it sounded like it was pretty correct. Ignore this part.

1842
02:16:36,540 --> 02:16:40,180
Do you mind zooming a little? On the calculus question?

1843
02:16:40,180 --> 02:16:43,300
I just- For the audience. In general, do you mind zooming a little?

1844
02:16:43,300 --> 02:16:46,640
This is- No, it's not. Control plus. Okay.

1845
02:16:48,700 --> 02:16:53,100
But yeah, it's interesting. It came to the same final conclusion that I found in Answer Bank on the internet,

1846
02:16:53,100 --> 02:16:58,220
which was interesting. And then this is a question that I had shown on Wanshow

1847
02:16:58,220 --> 02:17:01,820
before that it couldn't answer, which was this New York Times game

1848
02:17:01,820 --> 02:17:07,380
with the rules of the game. And then can it do it basically, right?

1849
02:17:07,380 --> 02:17:10,860
Oh, it totally did. So that was wrong.

1850
02:17:10,860 --> 02:17:17,640
Oh, it was? Because I was trying to see, so this knew the 01 preview, you can't do attachments.

1851
02:17:17,640 --> 02:17:22,480
So I was trying to see if I switch to a previous model,

1852
02:17:22,480 --> 02:17:27,420
like GBT-40 and do an attachment, can I then switch to 01 preview

1853
02:17:27,420 --> 02:17:30,540
and make it read the attachment? The answer is no.

1854
02:17:30,620 --> 02:17:34,580
No longer allows you to switch the second that you have an attachment.

1855
02:17:34,580 --> 02:17:38,260
But I just fed it the information this way

1856
02:17:38,260 --> 02:17:43,780
instead of inserting a picture. So I just laid it out for it basically.

1857
02:17:43,780 --> 02:17:47,940
It took 62 seconds, but it was not wrong.

1858
02:17:47,940 --> 02:17:52,380
It won the game. Wow. Instantly. Well, in 62 seconds.

1859
02:17:52,380 --> 02:17:55,580
Yeah. I then kind of realized,

1860
02:17:55,580 --> 02:18:00,300
the works instantly 62 seconds of the time. I mean, more like the first time it tried,

1861
02:18:00,300 --> 02:18:05,300
but so the challenge here,

1862
02:18:05,940 --> 02:18:09,820
oh, I don't think I even told it.

1863
02:18:11,540 --> 02:18:15,980
Isn't it crazy? Okay. I didn't actually ask it to do it in six words.

1864
02:18:15,980 --> 02:18:20,180
Yes, Christopher, we do. I didn't ask it to do it in six words,

1865
02:18:20,180 --> 02:18:23,380
but the goal this time was to do it in six words.

1866
02:18:23,380 --> 02:18:26,780
Sometimes they'll be like, oh, do it and try to do it in four words or whatever.

1867
02:18:26,780 --> 02:18:30,020
And when I play with Emma, usually we try to beat the amount

1868
02:18:30,020 --> 02:18:35,940
that it asks you to beat it in. So it says six words. We'll try to do it in four words or whatever else.

1869
02:18:35,940 --> 02:18:39,100
So I then asked it, after I did it right away the first time,

1870
02:18:39,100 --> 02:18:42,140
I said, can you do it in as few words as possible?

1871
02:18:42,140 --> 02:18:45,620
Because that's not in the rules. So it wasn't aiming to necessarily do it

1872
02:18:45,620 --> 02:18:49,980
in a few words as possible. And then we went way off the rails.

1873
02:18:49,980 --> 02:18:51,260
This was rough.

1874
02:18:53,300 --> 02:18:58,940
After Y, we need a word starting with K. So we can consider the last letter of Koy is K

1875
02:18:58,940 --> 02:19:01,260
by rearranging the sequence slightly,

1876
02:19:02,820 --> 02:19:05,100
which is not a thing at all.

1877
02:19:06,500 --> 02:19:12,100
Additionally, alternatively, we can add a bridging word if necessary, which is necessary and then it just didn't do it

1878
02:19:12,100 --> 02:19:15,700
and decided the last letter of Koy was K.

1879
02:19:15,700 --> 02:19:18,940
Which is a really different misspelled word.

1880
02:19:18,940 --> 02:19:23,300
Sort of not how that works. So I tried to work with it and then it ended up answering

1881
02:19:23,340 --> 02:19:28,340
but it answered like sort of multiple times in one answer

1882
02:19:28,380 --> 02:19:31,620
and also the final one was actually eight words.

1883
02:19:31,620 --> 02:19:38,140
And it was like, congratulations, you won using eight words. And I was like, that's worse than six.

1884
02:19:39,100 --> 02:19:43,500
So yeah, I don't know. It's not a silver bullet

1885
02:19:43,500 --> 02:19:49,340
and in classic open AI fashion, they're being a little closed about how it works.

1886
02:19:49,340 --> 02:19:52,900
Nice. But it is interesting.

1887
02:19:52,900 --> 02:19:56,220
You can see it sort of think,

1888
02:19:56,220 --> 02:20:00,860
like throw a question at me and I'll show you how it in quotes thinks

1889
02:20:00,860 --> 02:20:02,700
because this part's actually important.

1890
02:20:05,660 --> 02:20:09,180
Sorry, what do you want? You want a question? Throw something at me to throw at it.

1891
02:20:12,620 --> 02:20:16,620
What's better, a zip up hoodie or a pullover?

1892
02:20:16,620 --> 02:20:20,340
Sure, why not? I don't know. Like you're putting me on the spot here.

1893
02:20:20,340 --> 02:20:23,220
I don't know if that's a smart question. It's not.

1894
02:20:26,260 --> 02:20:30,100
But let's see. So when it does this whole thinking thing, we'll see if it actually has to think.

1895
02:20:30,100 --> 02:20:34,700
Yeah, okay. So we can see what it does. Evaluating hoodie types.

1896
02:20:37,300 --> 02:20:42,540
Yeah, cool. It's very neutral, very good. But you can see the steps that it took.

1897
02:20:44,340 --> 02:20:46,500
Noticing convenience and style

1898
02:20:47,460 --> 02:20:52,180
for adjustable designs and casual aesthetics while pullover hoodies excel in warmth and simplicity.

1899
02:20:52,180 --> 02:20:57,660
And I wanted to dive more into it. I wanted to try to play chess against it to see its spatial reasoning, but I didn't have time.

1900
02:20:58,580 --> 02:21:02,380
But I was chatting back and forth with Wendell about this for a second.

1901
02:21:02,380 --> 02:21:06,420
These are odd. These are weird.

1902
02:21:06,420 --> 02:21:10,900
Oh yeah? Noticing convenience and style, did it notice that?

1903
02:21:11,780 --> 02:21:18,620
Did that happen? They're like, they're very humanized ways of doing this.

1904
02:21:19,300 --> 02:21:22,140
Right, but is it actually different from what it was doing before?

1905
02:21:23,540 --> 02:21:27,020
It's, I think, I feel like they're trying

1906
02:21:27,020 --> 02:21:32,020
to make it more approachable and friendly by humanizing it.

1907
02:21:32,020 --> 02:21:37,700
And I don't know if I like that. And I wonder if this is part of the contention

1908
02:21:37,700 --> 02:21:42,580
that has led to certain people leaving open AI.

1909
02:21:42,580 --> 02:21:45,180
Cause this is like genuinely kind of weird.

1910
02:21:46,180 --> 02:21:51,180
I think they just generate random text to it.

1911
02:21:53,380 --> 02:21:58,940
Cause like this is all factors that would have had to be considered by any other previous model anyway.

1912
02:21:58,940 --> 02:22:02,540
So if the only difference is that, like,

1913
02:22:02,540 --> 02:22:05,900
and how do they prove that this has anything to do

1914
02:22:05,900 --> 02:22:12,260
with the actual model training anyway? Like I don't, why would open AI be motivated

1915
02:22:12,300 --> 02:22:16,300
to show us any part of the,

1916
02:22:16,300 --> 02:22:22,860
of the narrowing down and categorization that helped it to understand my two comparatives here.

1917
02:22:22,860 --> 02:22:26,660
Well, originally they were supposed to be open and now they're like the least open version.

1918
02:22:27,620 --> 02:22:33,340
So I think that's why they would show us. But I think, in my opinion,

1919
02:22:33,340 --> 02:22:36,780
the reason why they're showing these steps is they're trying to justify the time taken,

1920
02:22:36,780 --> 02:22:40,380
which is, that does make sense. This is why it's taking time.

1921
02:22:40,380 --> 02:22:47,020
Because it's not blitzing towards one answer. It's trying to compartmentalize the question that you asked

1922
02:22:47,020 --> 02:22:53,500
and then solve each section individually and then bring an answer to you to deal.

1923
02:22:53,500 --> 02:22:57,500
That's like the whole reasoning steps and stuff. I haven't done enough research on how this works yet.

1924
02:22:57,500 --> 02:23:03,340
This broke yesterday. I've had no time, but it's definitely interesting.

1925
02:23:03,900 --> 02:23:06,580
It is worse than old models at certain things.

1926
02:23:07,260 --> 02:23:12,260
Some people have called that like an overthinking problem.

1927
02:23:13,500 --> 02:23:16,620
Where sometimes the solution is like easier

1928
02:23:16,620 --> 02:23:23,020
than it tries to make it. And by in quotes, again, overthinking,

1929
02:23:23,020 --> 02:23:30,060
it causes some problems here and there. But yeah, they don't show it actually, it's faking.

1930
02:23:31,020 --> 02:23:34,940
They hide it for competition. Yeah, I mean, okay.

1931
02:23:37,580 --> 02:23:43,740
Like I was saying, they're very strongly humanizing what it's doing.

1932
02:23:43,740 --> 02:23:47,380
They're not, it's not exactly what's happening. That's fairly obvious.

1933
02:23:47,380 --> 02:23:54,460
It doesn't work that way. It's not noticing anything. But then wasn't it kind of already like friendly?

1934
02:23:55,420 --> 02:24:00,940
Yeah, but by doing that dropdown, it feels like you're trying to look behind the curtain.

1935
02:24:00,940 --> 02:24:04,620
I see. And there's another curtain. And I don't think, like in the same way

1936
02:24:04,660 --> 02:24:07,900
that people used to argue with me before it was able to look on the internet,

1937
02:24:07,900 --> 02:24:11,140
they're like, no, it is looking on the internet. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah.

1938
02:24:11,140 --> 02:24:18,220
People aren't gonna get this. I see. And I don't necessarily think that's good, you know?

1939
02:24:19,740 --> 02:24:23,460
In other news, speaking of things that are not that great,

1940
02:24:23,460 --> 02:24:29,740
the state of Nevada has announced that it has paid $1.3 million for a Google-powered AI system

1941
02:24:29,740 --> 02:24:33,140
that will assess unemployment claims using evidentiary documents

1942
02:24:33,140 --> 02:24:37,460
and transcripts from appeals hearings and recommend to a human referee

1943
02:24:37,460 --> 02:24:42,620
whether to approve or deny benefits. Nevada officials promise that every case

1944
02:24:42,620 --> 02:24:45,940
will receive human review and they expect the new system will eliminate

1945
02:24:45,940 --> 02:24:50,980
the backlog of cases that has existed since the pandemic by reducing the time it takes to write a determination

1946
02:24:50,980 --> 02:24:54,340
from several hours to just five minutes in some cases.

1947
02:24:56,420 --> 02:25:00,820
Here's my question. How do you do a human review in five minutes

1948
02:25:00,860 --> 02:25:08,060
of something that used to take several hours unless you're just mostly going along with what the AI said?

1949
02:25:08,060 --> 02:25:11,180
I don't know how realistic what I'm saying is,

1950
02:25:11,180 --> 02:25:16,180
but I've also been reading some stuff about how the,

1951
02:25:16,180 --> 02:25:20,660
you know, the whole, like, get a chat GBT

1952
02:25:20,660 --> 02:25:24,820
or whatever style program to help you with the thing and then review the output before you submit.

1953
02:25:25,900 --> 02:25:33,380
That's being followed through less these days. Well, yeah, dude, fixing a bad output in some cases

1954
02:25:33,620 --> 02:25:38,220
as someone whose entire job for a lot of the last,

1955
02:25:38,220 --> 02:25:43,860
probably eight or nine years has involved a significant amount

1956
02:25:43,860 --> 02:25:48,540
of taking other people in this case, other people's output and fixing it

1957
02:25:48,540 --> 02:25:51,820
is actually a significantly higher mental burden

1958
02:25:51,820 --> 02:25:56,060
than just thinking about it and putting it down for myself in the first place,

1959
02:25:56,060 --> 02:25:59,060
whether we're talking about script review or whether we're talking about,

1960
02:25:59,060 --> 02:26:03,540
like a planning document for an event or whatever the case may be.

1961
02:26:06,220 --> 02:26:10,100
Imagining for a second that by having the AI do the work

1962
02:26:10,100 --> 02:26:13,940
that someone can just review it

1963
02:26:13,940 --> 02:26:18,420
and that those skills even are necessarily transferable

1964
02:26:18,420 --> 02:26:24,260
or fully transferable is so naive. You also have to understand humans, right?

1965
02:26:24,260 --> 02:26:26,060
Like someone's gonna fall behind.

1966
02:26:27,980 --> 02:26:33,300
And need to catch up because their boss is mad at them and they're feeling like they're gonna lose their job

1967
02:26:33,300 --> 02:26:40,580
so they just start stamping things faster. Like it's, I don't like this.

1968
02:26:40,900 --> 02:26:44,940
It clearly still hallucinates. It's clearly still does,

1969
02:26:45,940 --> 02:26:49,460
is able to be lightly pushed into problems

1970
02:26:49,460 --> 02:26:53,300
that are not super easy to detect if you're not really looking through stuff.

1971
02:26:53,740 --> 02:26:57,900
It's not ready for these types of scenarios.

1972
02:26:57,900 --> 02:27:00,900
And Meta's global privacy director recently admitted

1973
02:27:00,900 --> 02:27:04,940
during an Australian Senate inquiry that the company has been using public photos

1974
02:27:04,940 --> 02:27:10,780
and posts on its social platforms from as far back as 2007 to train its AI models.

1975
02:27:10,780 --> 02:27:14,540
Meta claims the only scraped accounts of users over the age of 18.

1976
02:27:17,540 --> 02:27:21,380
Is this even news? No. And Google's notebook LM app

1977
02:27:21,380 --> 02:27:25,580
now has a feature called Audio Overview which can summarize the documents it's given

1978
02:27:25,580 --> 02:27:29,780
into a lively bantering conversation between two AI hosts.

1979
02:27:29,780 --> 02:27:33,100
Essentially a fully automated podcast.

1980
02:27:34,540 --> 02:27:37,580
That actually sounds completely unhinged

1981
02:27:37,580 --> 02:27:40,300
and I would potentially listen to the crap out of that.

1982
02:27:42,980 --> 02:27:45,980
I would love, we should just feed the WAN document to it.

1983
02:27:45,980 --> 02:27:48,980
See how it does? Yeah, see how it does. So accurate it is?

1984
02:27:48,980 --> 02:27:53,500
I'd be actually pretty down. If you did this with the,

1985
02:27:55,060 --> 02:27:59,660
I don't know, the automated meeting notes that you get, if you try to have something automatically take

1986
02:27:59,660 --> 02:28:04,580
like exactly transcribe what people say from meetings, it's hilarious anyways, it's wrong all the time.

1987
02:28:04,580 --> 02:28:08,660
Oh yeah, 100%. They all are. 100%. Oh dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.

1988
02:28:08,660 --> 02:28:11,780
Oh, have I shown you this?

1989
02:28:11,780 --> 02:28:13,700
I got a clip.

1990
02:28:16,060 --> 02:28:19,100
Oh, hold on. This is amazing.

1991
02:28:20,100 --> 02:28:23,300
Oh, I should send it to Dan. Do I have it?

1992
02:28:23,300 --> 02:28:27,500
I wiped my phone a little while ago so I actually don't know if I have this clip on my phone anymore.

1993
02:28:27,500 --> 02:28:31,180
I'm so upset right now. Oh, let's see if it syncs to Google Photos.

1994
02:28:31,180 --> 02:28:34,540
My Google Photos a little messed up though so things don't always sync there.

1995
02:28:34,540 --> 02:28:39,580
Okay, well, do a thing real quick if you don't mind. I'm gonna see if I can find this.

1996
02:28:39,580 --> 02:28:43,740
Google the Way Back Machine. When Google search deprecated its cache feature

1997
02:28:43,740 --> 02:28:50,780
earlier this year, Google liaison Danny Sullivan expressed a hope to compensate for the loss of the feature

1998
02:28:50,780 --> 02:28:56,440
by linking to the Way Back Machine. Now, according to a blog post from the Internet Archive,

1999
02:28:56,440 --> 02:29:00,820
that hope is now a reality. Google likewise confirmed that search will be linking

2000
02:29:00,820 --> 02:29:05,740
to these archived websites. Users will be able to find these results

2001
02:29:05,740 --> 02:29:11,180
by clicking the three dots next to a particular link and searching the more about this page option

2002
02:29:11,180 --> 02:29:14,480
on the about this results panel.

2003
02:29:15,480 --> 02:29:18,480
Which is actually pretty cool.

2004
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:22,360
So that's good news. Yeah, I thought that was super cool.

2005
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:26,720
That's cool. Being able to find Way Back Machine stuff better

2006
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:29,520
is pretty excite.

2007
02:29:30,440 --> 02:29:36,400
So I'm actually really, are you still looking? I think I found it, but I am...

2008
02:29:36,400 --> 02:29:39,920
Dan, do I have just like a standing share folder with you yet?

2009
02:29:40,920 --> 02:29:45,920
No, but you can just send it to me on chat if you want.

2010
02:29:46,360 --> 02:29:51,160
Nah. All right, while they do that, some other really good news actually.

2011
02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:55,400
We're all in GabeN's family. Valve is officially rolling out Steam families

2012
02:29:55,400 --> 02:29:59,240
for all users. Family allows up to six members of a household

2013
02:29:59,240 --> 02:30:03,720
to play any game from their shared library. This includes the ability of multiple people

2014
02:30:03,720 --> 02:30:09,280
to play multiple games from the same library at the same time or the same game

2015
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:12,600
if the library contains multiple copies. So cool.

2016
02:30:12,600 --> 02:30:16,880
The previous family sharing system blocked playing multiple games from the same library

2017
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:20,920
if the owner was already playing a game. Which was really inconvenient for me

2018
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:25,920
because if I wanted to play tape to tape over in the LAN area and someone's playing Beat Saber over on the TV,

2019
02:30:25,920 --> 02:30:31,080
I couldn't do that. So you had to go sign in a stupid other account

2020
02:30:31,080 --> 02:30:34,680
to paint in the butt. If you're not playing the same game at the same time

2021
02:30:34,680 --> 02:30:38,300
and you're a family living in the same house, this totally makes sense.

2022
02:30:38,340 --> 02:30:42,180
I love family sharing. I've been in the beta for a while. I love it.

2023
02:30:42,180 --> 02:30:47,340
I love it. I love it. I love it. And it's great and everything else needs it, dude.

2024
02:30:47,340 --> 02:30:50,820
The kids wanted to, the kids want to try Anno. Yeah.

2025
02:30:50,820 --> 02:30:57,640
And I was like, I like logged into you playing. I'm like, these guys are so far behind.

2026
02:30:59,460 --> 02:31:05,380
So what I have to log in as a parent, I have to log my kid into my Ubisoft Connect account

2027
02:31:05,420 --> 02:31:08,900
in order for them to play this game.

2028
02:31:08,900 --> 02:31:13,060
Like the, we've gone so far backward from disks

2029
02:31:13,060 --> 02:31:16,460
and then now Steam has caught up to disks

2030
02:31:16,460 --> 02:31:19,660
and then passed disks in everything but resale.

2031
02:31:19,660 --> 02:31:24,140
Resale is still something we've got to solve here, Valve. But like, dude, I was just,

2032
02:31:24,140 --> 02:31:28,500
I was looking at it going, this is ridiculous. It's like dinosaur. I'd rather, I'd rather they just like

2033
02:31:28,500 --> 02:31:32,020
not bother playing the game. I like, I just don't want to,

2034
02:31:32,020 --> 02:31:34,940
I don't want to deal with this platform at all.

2035
02:31:35,580 --> 02:31:39,380
This is an absolute game changer for Steam users. It should be noted,

2036
02:31:39,380 --> 02:31:44,180
you can't just willy-nilly change families. There's a one year cool down.

2037
02:31:44,180 --> 02:31:48,100
So you can't just be like, yeah, yeah, I'll just like join a family and then dip

2038
02:31:48,100 --> 02:31:52,420
and then join a different family according to what's most convenient for our shared game library, but.

2039
02:31:52,420 --> 02:31:57,380
You also like, so the next note is a counselor said his children will be unable to leave the group

2040
02:31:57,380 --> 02:32:01,060
unless kicked out by a parent. Well, parents can leave at any time.

2041
02:32:01,060 --> 02:32:05,460
Once a user joins a family. So they crashed the car, man. Now you got real leverage.

2042
02:32:05,460 --> 02:32:08,740
I'm gonna kick you out of the Steam family. No, dad, I want to play the games.

2043
02:32:08,740 --> 02:32:11,820
I wonder about that rule actually. It says once a user joins a family,

2044
02:32:11,820 --> 02:32:18,740
they'll have to wait a year before joining another. As a child of a family that you may have conflict with,

2045
02:32:22,300 --> 02:32:25,900
is that weird? It seems like it might be weird. I wonder if once you're a certain age,

2046
02:32:25,900 --> 02:32:31,760
you can just leave anyways. I don't know, probably. Cause your age is determined by your birth date anyway,

2047
02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:35,400
not by telling it how old you are, like in Steam.

2048
02:32:35,400 --> 02:32:38,660
Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you don't say, I am 13.

2049
02:32:38,660 --> 02:32:43,080
You say, I was born in this year. So it should be fine.

2050
02:32:43,080 --> 02:32:46,400
Yeah, yeah. Yes.

2051
02:32:46,400 --> 02:32:50,520
Sound is very important for this video. They have to contact Steam. They can't just do it willy-nilly.

2052
02:32:50,520 --> 02:32:55,240
I am a little worried if there's like any identifiable information in the videos

2053
02:32:55,240 --> 02:32:58,360
or anything that needs to be blurred. Oh, what is this? Don't worry about it.

2054
02:32:58,360 --> 02:33:00,880
Don't worry about it. Okay. Just don't worry about it.

2055
02:33:01,880 --> 02:33:04,720
No, it looks like it should be fine.

2056
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:08,880
You're thinking about sharing it to stream, but I can't see what it is. Yeah, yeah.

2057
02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:11,880
Well, cause it's a surprise for you. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's a surprise.

2058
02:33:11,880 --> 02:33:15,880
Okay. On my own laptop.

2059
02:33:15,880 --> 02:33:18,040
Oh, well, I didn't think of that. Did I?

2060
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:25,680
No, no, no, no. I can do it on my own laptop. It just makes this sound easier.

2061
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:30,680
This was taken in August.

2062
02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:35,240
So this was taken a little over a month ago.

2063
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:40,000
And this basically summarizes in a nutshell

2064
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:45,000
why I just completely don't believe anything I hear

2065
02:33:46,200 --> 02:33:50,240
from Google about the usefulness of digital assistance.

2066
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:56,320
I've talked a fair bit about how utterly bloody useless my voice,

2067
02:33:56,320 --> 02:34:00,120
voice assistants always are for me. So no matter what the demo is,

2068
02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:03,440
whether it's that stupid camera that was supposed to take a picture

2069
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:09,400
whenever it was the right time because AI or whether it's like your assistant's supposed to

2070
02:34:09,400 --> 02:34:12,520
like book an appointment for you and it's somehow at the right time

2071
02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:15,840
and the person on the other side isn't mad about it. Just like all these things.

2072
02:34:15,840 --> 02:34:19,600
And I hear from you guys like, oh yeah, I know like it works great for me. I'm sitting here going,

2073
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:24,560
the amount of time you waste getting this stuff to work compared to the amount of time it would take

2074
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:28,720
to just call your stylist and make an appointment. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.

2075
02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:34,280
An assistant is a more convenient alarm setter. This is the kind of that I deal with

2076
02:34:34,280 --> 02:34:38,840
just about every bloody time I try to use the thing. Okay, so Dan, do I have audio?

2077
02:34:38,840 --> 02:34:43,000
So your laptop's currently playing something. So let's make sure that stops before we play this.

2078
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:46,720
Your laptop's playing something. There we go. And I'm gonna turn that on

2079
02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:50,040
and we should be able to hear it too. I hope, yeah, go for it.

2080
02:34:50,040 --> 02:34:53,080
You guys got audio for me? No, I don't have it here.

2081
02:34:53,080 --> 02:34:55,960
Does Luke hear it? We should turn on C.

2082
02:34:56,800 --> 02:34:58,200
Can't hear it on C.

2083
02:34:59,960 --> 02:35:03,320
I'm not hitting it anymore. I'm just making that noise. Stream does, stream has it.

2084
02:35:03,320 --> 02:35:07,120
Oh, stream has it? I don't know why we don't. Wait, but Luke can't hear it? Nope.

2085
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:09,400
Well, gosh, darn it.

2086
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:13,960
Let's just watch Dan until he fixes it.

2087
02:35:13,960 --> 02:35:16,720
I mean, you gotta play audio or I can't. Oh, I see.

2088
02:35:18,200 --> 02:35:21,240
Yeah, I don't know. Let's look at him very intently. Why aren't we getting it?

2089
02:35:21,240 --> 02:35:24,240
I wanted to listen. Does it look like I'm looking at him?

2090
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:29,040
I'm trying to look at his portrait. Oh, we were just gonna look at him.

2091
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:32,240
I guess we could look at him. He's behind a monitor, though.

2092
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:38,640
This feels like more, like if he's looking at the preview of the show,

2093
02:35:38,640 --> 02:35:42,080
then this is intense, like we're like... Yeah.

2094
02:35:42,080 --> 02:35:46,160
Yeah, we're overseeing. Micromanagement. I think I know what happened.

2095
02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:49,800
You press that key on your keyboard slightly too slowly. See how effective this is?

2096
02:35:49,800 --> 02:35:54,920
Yeah. He's gonna fix it because we're looking at him. I'm gonna have to take the stream down to fix it.

2097
02:35:55,000 --> 02:35:59,080
We can... Really? We probably shouldn't do that.

2098
02:35:59,080 --> 02:36:03,400
Let me see what I can do. If we go set this to seven. We can solve all the problems that OMG has.

2099
02:36:03,400 --> 02:36:06,760
He starts to apply changes. No, I'm not going to do that.

2100
02:36:06,760 --> 02:36:10,840
We can solve all the problems that OMG has if we just have two managers per employee.

2101
02:36:10,840 --> 02:36:14,160
And then they just stand over them. Yeah. It's very effective.

2102
02:36:15,440 --> 02:36:19,320
They work probably twice as our employee. That's what the construction does.

2103
02:36:19,320 --> 02:36:24,320
And it's very efficient and there's never cost overruns.

2104
02:36:24,680 --> 02:36:27,200
Construction sites, worker and friends.

2105
02:36:28,480 --> 02:36:32,960
And to be clear. And like he said, timelines never get exceeded. No disrespect to the people

2106
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:39,640
who are working hard on construction sites. It just, when you drive past them, the optics aren't great.

2107
02:36:39,640 --> 02:36:43,760
Yeah. Oh, honestly, the road workers, I understand almost more

2108
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:46,760
because a lot of the times it's the whole hurry up and wait situation.

2109
02:36:46,760 --> 02:36:50,840
The whole crew can't be working at the same time. You have to wait for some process to finish.

2110
02:36:50,840 --> 02:36:54,960
But it just, you know, when you walk by and there's four people looking at the one guy

2111
02:36:54,960 --> 02:36:58,000
in the whole who's digging. It's just like, okay. Yeah, but sometimes the hole's too small

2112
02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:02,320
and only one person can do it. Exactly. I also, and anytime people bring up that argument,

2113
02:37:02,320 --> 02:37:07,280
it's just like, yeah, and then you go to work and sit on your darn phone anyways.

2114
02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:10,320
Like there's... I have a solution. Assuming that...

2115
02:37:10,320 --> 02:37:14,240
I also have a solution. The workers on the side of the road. How about you just turn up your laptop speakers?

2116
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:18,360
Just because what you happen to be doing is inconvenienced by these workers

2117
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:22,160
not having been done their job already. Doesn't mean that you're also not lazy at your job sometimes.

2118
02:37:22,160 --> 02:37:23,000
Shut up!

2119
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:32,280
My solution is... My job isn't broadcast to thousands of people.

2120
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:37,520
I mean, yeah it is. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

2121
02:37:37,520 --> 02:37:41,840
Okay, my solution is dumber than yours but also might actually work a little bit better

2122
02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:44,880
than yours, Dan. Just play at the same time. So I'm gonna hit play at the same time.

2123
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:48,720
Sure. And then Luke can just listen to it, slash watch it on my phone.

2124
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:51,880
Oh, well... You have to... Oh yeah, I guess I'll have to do it.

2125
02:37:51,880 --> 02:37:55,120
Okay, are we ready? Okay, so let's switch to line a slap top.

2126
02:37:55,120 --> 02:37:58,760
Oh, Dan, why are you hanging out in the middle of my car console? Okay, here we go.

2127
02:37:58,760 --> 02:38:01,320
One, two, three. Yvonne Ho.

2128
02:38:03,840 --> 02:38:06,960
Who do you wanna call? Yvonne.

2129
02:38:08,960 --> 02:38:12,280
Who do you wanna call? Yvonne Ho.

2130
02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:14,720
She's right here.

2131
02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:19,680
Who do you wanna call? Ghostbusters.

2132
02:38:22,520 --> 02:38:26,640
Sorry, who do you wanna call? Yvonne Ho.

2133
02:38:28,520 --> 02:38:31,600
Who do you wanna call? Yvonne.

2134
02:38:33,320 --> 02:38:36,480
Who do you wanna call? Yvonne Ho.

2135
02:38:39,960 --> 02:38:45,320
It's brutal that it's writing it too. That's so bad actually.

2136
02:38:45,320 --> 02:38:51,840
It's writing it out, prop the Ghostbusters is very funny. The best part is that that interface

2137
02:38:51,880 --> 02:38:55,720
as soon as I deactivate the voice assistant,

2138
02:38:55,720 --> 02:39:00,600
the top context thing goes away. I can't touch it.

2139
02:39:00,600 --> 02:39:06,400
I can't touch it. I'm like, come on. While the voice thing is up, can you touch it?

2140
02:39:06,400 --> 02:39:10,440
No, no, it doesn't work because it's an overlay.

2141
02:39:10,440 --> 02:39:14,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's so annoying.

2142
02:39:14,280 --> 02:39:17,400
Dude, and to be clear, I use that function all the time

2143
02:39:17,400 --> 02:39:22,720
and it does work a lot of the time. It works just often enough that I depend on it.

2144
02:39:22,720 --> 02:39:25,880
And then so when it doesn't work, it's just...

2145
02:39:25,880 --> 02:39:30,200
Another potential W for the old Acura.

2146
02:39:30,200 --> 02:39:33,600
When I wanna call people, I press the phone button on the steering wheel.

2147
02:39:33,600 --> 02:39:38,480
That's me pressing the phone button on the steering wheel. And then I have a dial that just goes through my speed dial.

2148
02:39:38,480 --> 02:39:44,120
I actually... And I am a boring person. So honestly, the top four people in my speed dial

2149
02:39:44,120 --> 02:39:47,120
is pretty much all I need. Give me your phone. Give me your phone.

2150
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:50,920
Oh, it won't be through there. Am I on your speed dial? Yeah.

2151
02:39:52,200 --> 02:39:55,920
But I mean in my... I'm talking in my car. In your car, okay.

2152
02:39:55,920 --> 02:39:59,720
My goodness. Look, I'm insecure, okay?

2153
02:39:59,720 --> 02:40:02,520
I just wanna know where I stand in this relationship.

2154
02:40:04,640 --> 02:40:11,800
I'm in there. The same spot. I'm number two suggested after the literal GF.

2155
02:40:12,800 --> 02:40:16,760
Nice. Hold on, hold on, let's see. I don't actually...

2156
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:21,480
Okay, so this is interesting. I use T9.

2157
02:40:21,480 --> 02:40:25,080
So you'll see the way that I... Like when I open my dialer,

2158
02:40:25,080 --> 02:40:32,560
it literally just has me dialing random numbers. So with that in mind, yeah, I only have like my recents.

2159
02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:35,880
I just clicked like... Which is just 50% Yvonne.

2160
02:40:35,880 --> 02:40:39,880
And then like some random other people. You can...

2161
02:40:39,880 --> 02:40:44,000
It's like a hilarious... Yvonne and unknown numbers for the most part.

2162
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:51,400
Well, those are incoming. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so if I were to do like outgoing only,

2163
02:40:51,400 --> 02:40:56,000
it would be probably about 80% Yvonne. I call almost no one but my wife.

2164
02:40:56,000 --> 02:41:00,040
I don't do like speed dial on my phone. Is there a speed dial thing?

2165
02:41:00,040 --> 02:41:04,400
Yeah, speed dial is still a thing. You can like... Oh yeah, okay, I have a favorite section there.

2166
02:41:04,400 --> 02:41:07,520
Is that better? That might be even better.

2167
02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:12,880
Dang, okay. So it's dad, brother, girlfriend, and Linus.

2168
02:41:12,880 --> 02:41:17,320
And mom. So the one that you're looking at here,

2169
02:41:18,920 --> 02:41:23,320
yeah, this is fine, right? Yeah, the one that you're looking at here,

2170
02:41:23,320 --> 02:41:27,400
I set this up when there were only about

2171
02:41:27,400 --> 02:41:34,720
10 to 12 people in the company. So I set it up with basically you and Yvonne

2172
02:41:35,480 --> 02:41:38,680
and then I think it's just like alphabetical. So I still have a bunch of people

2173
02:41:38,680 --> 02:41:42,280
that don't even work here anymore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That are in like this top contact list.

2174
02:41:42,280 --> 02:41:45,560
Yeah, because things don't like... I forgot there was even a favorites thing on my phone.

2175
02:41:45,560 --> 02:41:50,200
I don't use that. Yeah, speed dial, dude, speed dial is dead. Like it's really easy to use.

2176
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:53,560
You just go like this and then assign. But I just, I'm never gonna use that

2177
02:41:53,560 --> 02:41:55,680
because I can totally just...

2178
02:41:56,560 --> 02:42:02,120
Okay, I misclicked, but I can... I have you that quickly by just boop, boop, boop, boop, boop,

2179
02:42:02,120 --> 02:42:05,640
because once you have T9 memorized... It's quick.

2180
02:42:05,640 --> 02:42:11,120
It's so fast to call people T9. Dude, iOS 18 adding T9 dialing

2181
02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:15,400
is way too much of the reason that I'm willing to try it.

2182
02:42:15,400 --> 02:42:19,080
I believe you. I can't call people that T9 dialing.

2183
02:42:19,080 --> 02:42:23,200
And the only person I call is my wife, so it's stupid. That's like a phone screening for me

2184
02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:27,120
is an actual required feature. I'm not gonna switch phones if it doesn't have phone screening at this point.

2185
02:42:27,120 --> 02:42:30,560
Yeah. Which just won't happen. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

2186
02:42:32,160 --> 02:42:35,840
Like I don't... I cannot think of a possible feature

2187
02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:40,760
that a phone could have that is gonna override my desire to have phone screening.

2188
02:42:40,760 --> 02:42:45,320
At this point, with how many spam callers there are, I'm using phone screening like every other day.

2189
02:42:45,320 --> 02:42:49,480
Xwar2 asks, do you guys think your social situation may change

2190
02:42:49,480 --> 02:42:52,920
considering the text bubble change in iOS 18?

2191
02:42:52,920 --> 02:42:57,960
On my end, it's prohibitive with my one friend being singled out as the only Android user.

2192
02:42:59,440 --> 02:43:04,560
How do I say this gently? Xwar2, you and the rest of your friends

2193
02:43:04,560 --> 02:43:10,680
are f***ing assholes. Switch to a cross-platform messaging app.

2194
02:43:10,680 --> 02:43:12,680
iMessage is not special.

2195
02:43:16,640 --> 02:43:21,000
You're welcome. Urban Fervers said iPhones have screening, I thought, yeah, so I would consider them.

2196
02:43:21,000 --> 02:43:24,000
I'm just saying this is... I'm not saying there aren't alternatives.

2197
02:43:24,000 --> 02:43:28,600
He's also saying iPhones have T9 dialing now. I'm just saying that is a required thing for me.

2198
02:43:28,600 --> 02:43:32,960
If one of the brand... If Pixel stopped having it, I would no longer use Pixels.

2199
02:43:32,960 --> 02:43:34,000
Just straight up.

2200
02:43:37,240 --> 02:43:41,360
Rubbernick says, how do you know what they are doing Linus?

2201
02:43:41,360 --> 02:43:45,480
The fact that it matters that anyone is on Android or iOS

2202
02:43:45,480 --> 02:43:52,560
tells me what they're doing. That's ridiculous. It's so stupid.

2203
02:43:52,680 --> 02:43:55,760
Speed dial is not T9 recursive.

2204
02:43:58,080 --> 02:44:01,600
The amount of time I've spent arguing about T9 dialing with people who just...

2205
02:44:01,600 --> 02:44:04,720
I think most people have literally no idea what it is. Don't understand what it is

2206
02:44:04,720 --> 02:44:08,160
and don't want to understand what it is. I've explained it so many times.

2207
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:11,680
And you don't need to, but if you don't understand what it is,

2208
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:15,560
don't argue about it. That's it. Someone says, what is it?

2209
02:44:16,880 --> 02:44:20,080
Oh, man. Okay, I'm gonna explain it. I'll explain it.

2210
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:23,440
I'll explain it. I'm gonna explain it again. Okay. You know how on your phone,

2211
02:44:23,440 --> 02:44:26,720
when you open up the dialer screen with the numbers,

2212
02:44:26,720 --> 02:44:30,360
if you start typing someone's number, right?

2213
02:44:30,360 --> 02:44:34,520
It'll start auto completing the rest of the number.

2214
02:44:34,520 --> 02:44:38,240
That made a ton of sense back in the early 2000s

2215
02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:42,720
when people memorized phone numbers, which also no area codes.

2216
02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:46,880
Yeah, yeah. And phone numbers were a lot shorter. Phone numbers were seven digits.

2217
02:44:46,880 --> 02:44:50,560
When I was a boy, we didn't need area code to dial the area code

2218
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:54,040
unless it was long distance. Anyway.

2219
02:44:55,640 --> 02:45:00,640
Okay, there's another way to start dialing numbers

2220
02:45:01,240 --> 02:45:04,880
where instead of dialing the numbers, okay? So the two area codes here

2221
02:45:04,880 --> 02:45:09,880
are both the two main ones in our area are 778 and 604, okay?

2222
02:45:09,880 --> 02:45:14,000
So if I dial 778 in the modern era,

2223
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:17,640
that's gonna auto complete, literally half the people in my phone book.

2224
02:45:17,640 --> 02:45:23,200
And if I type 64, so it's not narrowing it down much. I've typed three numbers and it hasn't really done much.

2225
02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:28,360
But if you look closely, and this is a remnant of a very long time ago,

2226
02:45:28,360 --> 02:45:33,680
when it was really great for marketing to have your phone number for your business,

2227
02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:36,800
that you would expect people to maybe memorize, I hope,

2228
02:45:36,800 --> 02:45:40,600
because that's how people would remember phone numbers was by memorizing them.

2229
02:45:40,600 --> 02:45:44,960
If you could have the phone number of your business correspond to a word.

2230
02:45:44,960 --> 02:45:49,880
So say for example, you were a business that did house cleaning,

2231
02:45:49,880 --> 02:45:51,680
then you might want your number to be

2232
02:45:53,280 --> 02:45:59,760
one to clean, you know? Okay, so numbers correspond to letters.

2233
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:03,000
Two is ABC, three is DEF, four is GHI,

2234
02:46:03,000 --> 02:46:09,320
and so on and so forth. So what you can do is you can dial the numbers

2235
02:46:09,320 --> 02:46:12,520
that correspond to the name of the person

2236
02:46:12,520 --> 02:46:16,360
you're trying to call, and it narrows it down way faster.

2237
02:46:16,360 --> 02:46:22,200
Wake it fast. If I type 5853, that could be Luke,

2238
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:27,220
it could be Duke,

2239
02:46:27,220 --> 02:46:32,220
it could be Le-ve-je-de,

2240
02:46:32,220 --> 02:46:39,640
it's probably Luke, right? So as soon as you've typed probably three numbers

2241
02:46:40,180 --> 02:46:44,980
at most, four, unless you have an enormous contact list,

2242
02:46:44,980 --> 02:46:48,500
you have probably surfaced the person you're trying to call,

2243
02:46:48,500 --> 02:46:52,420
and on Samsung anyway, you can text with a swipe to the left,

2244
02:46:52,420 --> 02:46:58,660
and you can call with a swipe to the right. So for me, being pretty fast,

2245
02:46:58,660 --> 02:47:02,540
I can call Luke in, okay, well, here,

2246
02:47:02,540 --> 02:47:03,860
I don't know, give me a name.

2247
02:47:05,660 --> 02:47:06,500
Jake.

2248
02:47:08,780 --> 02:47:12,580
That was pretty quick. I saw it come up, I didn't see the whole thing.

2249
02:47:12,580 --> 02:47:17,780
My phone's slow, which slowed me down, but like. I said the, he typed three numbers

2250
02:47:17,780 --> 02:47:21,500
and then a list of people came up and I couldn't see it very clearly,

2251
02:47:21,500 --> 02:47:27,060
but I saw Jake's profile photo, I recognize his profile. So probably in about half a second, I can call someone.

2252
02:47:27,060 --> 02:47:31,020
It completely negates any need for me to have any kind of favorites

2253
02:47:31,020 --> 02:47:35,940
or ever dig around in my address book. And that's the reason that it's faster,

2254
02:47:35,940 --> 02:47:40,940
is because for whatever reason, when you go to contacts,

2255
02:47:41,340 --> 02:47:44,420
you then have to click search,

2256
02:47:44,420 --> 02:47:49,820
you then have to start typing. It's so many more interactions with the device

2257
02:47:49,820 --> 02:47:52,860
when what you should be doing is just dialing

2258
02:47:52,860 --> 02:47:57,500
the numbers according to the letters and it goes through your entire address book,

2259
02:47:57,500 --> 02:48:00,500
which when your address book is as big as mine,

2260
02:48:02,100 --> 02:48:05,580
can be a challenge. And admittedly, it's not as big as it used to be.

2261
02:48:05,580 --> 02:48:10,300
Like back when I was handling all of like our brand relations

2262
02:48:10,300 --> 02:48:13,420
on the sponsor side and product procurement

2263
02:48:13,420 --> 02:48:17,820
and also the team and, and, and, and, and.

2264
02:48:17,820 --> 02:48:21,100
You know, the random people that I might call

2265
02:48:22,100 --> 02:48:26,020
the list was a lot longer. Like these days, yeah, I mostly just call my wife,

2266
02:48:26,020 --> 02:48:30,660
but I'm definitely used to it. I'm definitely used to just, you know, doing that.

2267
02:48:30,660 --> 02:48:34,620
And you can put businesses in there too. Like if I want to call my vet, I'll just type,

2268
02:48:35,700 --> 02:48:39,620
here, hold on, I have to close the stupid address book that I opened like a caveman.

2269
02:48:39,620 --> 02:48:43,060
So I just type 838 and boom, my vets there,

2270
02:48:43,060 --> 02:48:46,540
assuming that I actually put my vet in my, in my address book,

2271
02:48:46,540 --> 02:48:49,660
which I, oh, you know what, I probably, I probably did,

2272
02:48:49,820 --> 02:48:53,380
but it's probably under a Fraser Heights Animal Hospital.

2273
02:48:53,380 --> 02:48:57,860
There you go. So three, seven, two, seven. I don't actually, I couldn't tell you.

2274
02:48:57,860 --> 02:49:00,340
Like if you ask me right now, like.

2275
02:49:02,140 --> 02:49:06,500
What is the number code for calling Dan?

2276
02:49:07,380 --> 02:49:11,660
Dan, three, two, six.

2277
02:49:11,660 --> 02:49:15,260
I'm gonna say six. Nice, nice.

2278
02:49:15,260 --> 02:49:18,620
But there was like some computation there. But yeah, I don't, I don't have to think about it

2279
02:49:18,620 --> 02:49:21,660
if I'm dialing. It's one of those things where it's just like,

2280
02:49:21,660 --> 02:49:25,060
if you, if it works for you, great.

2281
02:49:25,060 --> 02:49:28,100
And if you don't want to memorize all of that bullshit,

2282
02:49:28,100 --> 02:49:32,580
just don't, and don't care. And just not be bothered by the fact

2283
02:49:32,580 --> 02:49:37,940
that T9 dialing is there for everybody else. Because it doesn't affect

2284
02:49:37,940 --> 02:49:42,060
anyone other than the people who use it. It's totally fine.

2285
02:49:43,540 --> 02:49:46,940
Jeron de Vries says, I learned about T9 dialing from you.

2286
02:49:46,940 --> 02:49:52,880
Changed my life, best tech tip ever. Yeah, it's just, it just, it drives me bananas.

2287
02:49:54,580 --> 02:50:01,180
When I'll explain it like this, and then people will look back at me like a thupid.

2288
02:50:01,660 --> 02:50:05,340
It's like, no, it's not stupid. It just doesn't matter. It's not for you.

2289
02:50:05,340 --> 02:50:09,220
And that's fine, but it isn't stupid. Yeah, I don't use it.

2290
02:50:09,220 --> 02:50:12,540
I think it's cool. I think if you're a person who's like invested in it,

2291
02:50:12,540 --> 02:50:16,620
it's pretty sweet. There are definitely use cases

2292
02:50:16,620 --> 02:50:23,060
where I think it would be kind of nice, but looking at my phone and the people that I call,

2293
02:50:25,060 --> 02:50:28,100
I don't call that many people. The favorites tab is fine.

2294
02:50:28,100 --> 02:50:32,340
And honestly, I don't even use that. I can pretty much just operate out of recent.

2295
02:50:32,340 --> 02:50:37,500
Oh, dude. Especially in my car, when I can't rely on my voice dialing,

2296
02:50:37,500 --> 02:50:42,620
recent is like a godsend. Because I'm usually trying to call Yvonne anyway.

2297
02:50:42,620 --> 02:50:46,420
In my car, the top contact is Emma.

2298
02:50:46,700 --> 02:50:51,340
To call her in my car is probably half a second,

2299
02:50:51,340 --> 02:50:56,900
because I'll move both hands simultaneously. I'll press the phone button on the steering wheel

2300
02:50:56,900 --> 02:51:00,220
and then just enter on the middle of the dial thing,

2301
02:51:00,220 --> 02:51:03,740
because she's the first one. And when you press phone, it goes directly to the favorite.

2302
02:51:03,740 --> 02:51:07,460
So it's just like, rip, calling. Nice. Amazing.

2303
02:51:07,460 --> 02:51:11,900
And then if it's basically you or any one of my family, it's just like one or two dial clicks

2304
02:51:11,900 --> 02:51:16,380
and then enter and it's right there. It's like, okay, cool. Swee Kaku asks, silly question,

2305
02:51:16,380 --> 02:51:19,380
is Terran eligible for the $5,000 tech upgrade series?

2306
02:51:19,380 --> 02:51:22,860
I don't think execs are eligible, at least not anymore.

2307
02:51:22,860 --> 02:51:28,420
We did Colton though, and we did Yvonne. Come to think of it, are execs eligible?

2308
02:51:28,420 --> 02:51:30,220
I think some have opted out.

2309
02:51:32,020 --> 02:51:39,980
I'm not 100% sure. I don't know how it works. All I know is that the Floatplane peeps are.

2310
02:51:40,340 --> 02:51:41,980
Eli just says they're eligible.

2311
02:51:45,460 --> 02:51:49,860
If I ever get pulled, I'm taping Elijah to a pole,

2312
02:51:49,860 --> 02:51:52,980
so he can't do anything in my house.

2313
02:51:52,980 --> 02:51:56,940
I wouldn't blame you. We could actually just have like an Elijah cam.

2314
02:51:56,940 --> 02:52:00,660
Yeah, sure. And that would just be in the corner of the entire video.

2315
02:52:00,660 --> 02:52:04,380
So it would show what Elijah was doing, taped to the pole while you and I were working on it.

2316
02:52:04,380 --> 02:52:07,500
We could have his arms not taped down and we could give him like little puzzles

2317
02:52:07,500 --> 02:52:11,140
or something to play with. Yeah, like little finger puppets.

2318
02:52:11,140 --> 02:52:14,220
Sure. And then we can make sure there's a monitor

2319
02:52:14,220 --> 02:52:19,540
nearby with like subway surfers, so he can just have like distraction

2320
02:52:19,540 --> 02:52:23,460
so he doesn't just like start tweaking out. Yeah, having withdrawals.

2321
02:52:23,460 --> 02:52:26,980
Yeah, that's good. Elijah, we got you.

2322
02:52:26,980 --> 02:52:30,220
We're thinking of you. We'll make sure it's comfortable.

2323
02:52:31,260 --> 02:52:35,340
Okay, what else are we supposed to be talking about? Okay, yes, subway surfers.

2324
02:52:35,340 --> 02:52:37,140
Oh God. He's in now.

2325
02:52:38,420 --> 02:52:42,980
There are two more topics left. Long form videos in the shorts feed,

2326
02:52:43,020 --> 02:52:48,820
somebody on the subreddit posted a screenshot of a long form YouTube video being displayed as a short.

2327
02:52:48,820 --> 02:52:53,020
According to Google's support page, they are conducting a few experiments

2328
02:52:53,020 --> 02:52:58,860
with the watch page to increase discoverability across channels, formats and lengths of YouTube,

2329
02:52:58,860 --> 02:53:02,340
which could include a mix of video formats,

2330
02:53:02,340 --> 02:53:05,340
including long form videos where you'd normally see shorts.

2331
02:53:09,780 --> 02:53:15,220
Kind of weird. I get the motivation. I get it too. There's no money in shorts, not for creators,

2332
02:53:15,220 --> 02:53:18,580
not for YouTube. It's very small. Like we did that.

2333
02:53:18,580 --> 02:53:23,140
We had that short a couple of weeks ago that did like eight or nine million views

2334
02:53:23,140 --> 02:53:26,340
on that little underwater scooter-majig thing.

2335
02:53:26,340 --> 02:53:30,100
And compared to a long form video

2336
02:53:30,100 --> 02:53:33,300
that did that kind of viewership, to be clear, it's really hard to get that kind of viewership

2337
02:53:33,300 --> 02:53:36,740
on a long form video by comparison, but compared to a long form video

2338
02:53:36,740 --> 02:53:38,420
that did those kinds of numbers,

2339
02:53:39,860 --> 02:53:44,340
it's like a fraction. I think the monetization rate is like a 20th

2340
02:53:44,340 --> 02:53:50,900
or a 30th or a 40th or something like that. Like it's some tiny, tiny amount by comparison.

2341
02:53:50,900 --> 02:53:57,780
And so... Sorry, I thought you were done. So I can see them wanting to convert shorts viewers

2342
02:53:58,660 --> 02:54:05,020
to a longer video watching session. I don't know that having letterboxing and pillar boxing

2343
02:54:05,020 --> 02:54:08,100
or whatever, or like gigantic letterboxing,

2344
02:54:08,100 --> 02:54:12,300
I guess, is how it shows up. I don't know that that's the solution, but...

2345
02:54:12,300 --> 02:54:15,300
That's my biggest pushback, to be honest, is the format is weird.

2346
02:54:15,300 --> 02:54:18,980
I can see why they want to do it, and I can see why creators would be interested in it as well,

2347
02:54:18,980 --> 02:54:22,700
because short form content is very much seen

2348
02:54:22,700 --> 02:54:26,580
as a funnel somewhere else, whether it's to your courses that you offer,

2349
02:54:26,580 --> 02:54:32,300
to your merch, to your long form videos. Almost nobody sees it as,

2350
02:54:32,300 --> 02:54:37,260
or like something that gets a lot of eyeballs so you can sell sponsorships or product placements.

2351
02:54:37,260 --> 02:54:42,060
Like almost nobody is treating shorts like the end.

2352
02:54:42,060 --> 02:54:45,980
It's a means. Yeah, Elijah pointed out short to long conversion

2353
02:54:45,980 --> 02:54:50,420
is so bad though, less than 1%. So that's true. And I don't think that's at all surprising

2354
02:54:50,420 --> 02:54:54,860
if you look at how the mechanism of shorts works. But this could help increase it, I think, is the idea.

2355
02:54:54,860 --> 02:54:59,980
Yes, there are also, if you look into it, some really interesting strategies being employed

2356
02:54:59,980 --> 02:55:03,900
by creators to improve their short to long conversion.

2357
02:55:03,900 --> 02:55:06,980
And I promise you there are certain creators

2358
02:55:07,020 --> 02:55:12,180
that have way higher conversion rates than that. I also think there's other forms of conversion rate.

2359
02:55:12,180 --> 02:55:19,180
Like one of the most interesting short strategies that I've seen is a creator who,

2360
02:55:20,540 --> 02:55:25,980
they didn't take a slice out of their video. It's a genuinely unique piece of content,

2361
02:55:25,980 --> 02:55:29,900
but it's related to an upcoming video

2362
02:55:29,900 --> 02:55:34,780
and it's really interesting and it makes you wanna know more. And then that video comes out.

2363
02:55:34,780 --> 02:55:38,660
So they use it as a trailer almost? Hours later or a day later.

2364
02:55:38,660 --> 02:55:43,660
So yeah, it's basically a trailer. And you won't see any conversion on that effectively

2365
02:55:44,580 --> 02:55:50,780
because there's nothing for them to go to watch. But it might give you a stronger click-through rate

2366
02:55:50,780 --> 02:55:55,260
on that first notification because these viewers are primed to be interested in this piece of content.

2367
02:55:55,260 --> 02:55:58,980
Got it. And then they see that content follow through. Really interesting idea.

2368
02:55:58,980 --> 02:56:03,140
There's a bunch of interesting angles

2369
02:56:03,140 --> 02:56:08,140
that creators are taking, but. Nokia asks, didn't you guys get sponsored by Nexigo

2370
02:56:08,140 --> 02:56:11,620
to make shorts answering people's tech questions? How's that sponsorship revenue

2371
02:56:11,620 --> 02:56:13,460
compared to full video sponsorship?

2372
02:56:14,740 --> 02:56:22,220
I don't know how much they paid, but I would assume that it is less than

2373
02:56:22,300 --> 02:56:27,500
like full length videos like VODs and more than if we just uploaded shorts

2374
02:56:27,500 --> 02:56:28,740
without any sponsorship.

2375
02:56:30,900 --> 02:56:34,300
We uploaded a short, yesterday I think.

2376
02:56:34,380 --> 02:56:37,460
Oh no, today. We uploaded a short today. That's actually doing pretty good.

2377
02:56:37,460 --> 02:56:42,460
It's reacting to the cardboard laptop.

2378
02:56:43,220 --> 02:56:45,460
Oh yeah. Yeah, Evan and Caitlin made.

2379
02:56:46,700 --> 02:56:50,940
Met the Matpats retirement party. I almost said funeral.

2380
02:56:50,940 --> 02:56:53,060
He's alive. As far as I know.

2381
02:56:55,060 --> 02:56:59,300
Oh my goodness. Yeah. You just ominously add that at the end of all.

2382
02:57:00,300 --> 02:57:02,500
It's my best for now. For now.

2383
02:57:04,860 --> 02:57:08,420
Another 80 years maybe. Oh my goodness.

2384
02:57:10,620 --> 02:57:13,420
Yeah, that's cool though. That's good. Yeah, good job team.

2385
02:57:14,820 --> 02:57:18,140
Is Uber engaging in pay discrimination?

2386
02:57:18,140 --> 02:57:21,500
Non-profit news organization, More Perfect Union,

2387
02:57:21,500 --> 02:57:26,420
recently conducted an experiment where they brought together several Uber and Lyft drivers

2388
02:57:26,420 --> 02:57:32,460
and had them log into a shift and placed their phones next to each other on a table.

2389
02:57:32,500 --> 02:57:37,740
They found that the drivers were consistently offered different pay for the same jobs

2390
02:57:37,740 --> 02:57:40,900
with Lyft's price swings being the most drastic.

2391
02:57:40,900 --> 02:57:45,980
Sometimes this variation was only a few cents difference, but it could also vary by as much as $3.

2392
02:57:47,140 --> 02:57:51,820
Due to the black box nature of Uber's algorithm, it is unclear why any given driver

2393
02:57:51,820 --> 02:57:55,300
was offered different pay. According to an Uber blog post,

2394
02:57:55,300 --> 02:57:59,180
upfront pay may be affected by GPS location, estimated rival time promotional offers,

2395
02:57:59,220 --> 02:58:02,700
and surge heat maps that refresh every few seconds.

2396
02:58:02,700 --> 02:58:07,060
However, these should have been largely accounted for by having all of the drivers in the same place

2397
02:58:07,060 --> 02:58:11,500
at the same time. However, this pay may also vary depending on tests

2398
02:58:11,500 --> 02:58:16,100
that are being run by Uber. Our discussion question is, is this pay discrimination

2399
02:58:16,100 --> 02:58:23,020
and what is the likelihood that Uber can or is using this system to minimize driver pay?

2400
02:58:23,020 --> 02:58:27,860
That second part, 100%. As for whether it's paid discrimination,

2401
02:58:27,860 --> 02:58:32,060
that's harder to say because they would have to prove that they're discriminating based on some kind of

2402
02:58:32,060 --> 02:58:36,940
protected attribute of the drivers. Also, are these drivers all the same rating?

2403
02:58:36,940 --> 02:58:40,500
Is rating allowed to play into their income?

2404
02:58:40,500 --> 02:58:45,740
Does it play into their income? Is it just a way to get kicked out of the program basically?

2405
02:58:45,740 --> 02:58:50,100
There's a lot of questions to ask here.

2406
02:58:50,100 --> 02:58:55,100
I just thought it was interesting. It's interesting that there's variants. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that if they're gonna play around

2407
02:58:55,100 --> 02:58:58,180
with the rate that you pay, they're also gonna play around with the rates that they pay.

2408
02:58:58,180 --> 02:59:01,620
Totally. And I would absolutely see them using this

2409
02:59:01,620 --> 02:59:05,660
to minimize the amount that they pay while maximizing the amount that they extract.

2410
02:59:05,660 --> 02:59:10,380
I mean, that's literally the name of the game. That's how business works, yeah.

2411
02:59:10,380 --> 02:59:13,620
Hey, Floatplane updates, speaking of business. Yeah.

2412
02:59:13,620 --> 02:59:19,940
Have you ever wondered why the WAN Show is late all the time? To answer that, oh my God, this is a monthly series?

2413
02:59:19,940 --> 02:59:23,700
Apparently. To answer that question. People like the first one.

2414
02:59:23,740 --> 02:59:28,740
We have a monthly series called Why Is WAN Late?

2415
02:59:28,820 --> 02:59:33,820
That just launched yesterday and is apparently already beloved.

2416
02:59:37,340 --> 02:59:42,260
So Sammy has been going around in the lead up to WAN Show

2417
02:59:42,260 --> 02:59:45,420
and talking to people about what's going on

2418
02:59:45,420 --> 02:59:49,020
in the lead up to WAN Show, especially when we are late.

2419
02:59:49,020 --> 02:59:54,600
And there's some pretty good behind the scenes. You can kind of see what it's like on a Friday around here.

2420
02:59:54,600 --> 03:00:00,120
This is pretty old. This is from, I mean, yeah, obviously when you were at...

2421
03:00:00,120 --> 03:00:01,800
Defconn. Yeah, Defconn, yeah.

2422
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:07,240
And you're getting a fair bit of gray in the beard. Oh yeah. Dang.

2423
03:00:07,240 --> 03:00:14,440
Yeah, not the hair so much, the beard for sure. Well, you have a really favorable hair color to hide it.

2424
03:00:14,440 --> 03:00:18,760
Yeah. Like my gray has been coming in for a while,

2425
03:00:18,760 --> 03:00:22,240
but because I have a little bit of like blonde highlighting,

2426
03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:25,640
it's been hard to tell.

2427
03:00:25,640 --> 03:00:28,400
It's pretty obvious now though. I don't care.

2428
03:00:29,600 --> 03:00:33,160
I thought I was gonna be bald. Yeah, me too. I'll take it.

2429
03:00:33,160 --> 03:00:37,880
Dude, I'm so stoked to have gray hair. Like you're apparently supposed to look to the men

2430
03:00:37,880 --> 03:00:42,120
on your mother's side. Yeah, I didn't know that. Dude, my grandpa went bald in high school.

2431
03:00:42,120 --> 03:00:46,000
Oh, my grandpa had hair the whole time. Okay, then yeah. So yeah, I didn't know that though.

2432
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:49,920
So I just look at my dad and be like, oh, like I had written off having hair.

2433
03:00:49,920 --> 03:00:54,920
I assumed by the time I was like 25, I'd be gone.

2434
03:00:55,600 --> 03:00:58,840
And I didn't care about that. Which to be clear, yeah, it's fine.

2435
03:00:58,840 --> 03:01:02,320
Yeah, I was like, whatever, I guess that'll happen. I guess I could pick it.

2436
03:01:03,360 --> 03:01:07,320
Seriously though, there's so many bald dudes. I don't know, who cares?

2437
03:01:07,320 --> 03:01:10,880
And then when I figured out like that isn't happening,

2438
03:01:10,880 --> 03:01:14,440
it was like fairly neutral, I guess, because I had accepted it so much

2439
03:01:14,440 --> 03:01:17,800
that I was just like, whatever. And now it's like, oh, I guess I'll have it,

2440
03:01:17,800 --> 03:01:22,320
but it'll be gray. That's fine. I don't know, I just, I don't care.

2441
03:01:22,320 --> 03:01:26,120
Yeah, out of some people. So people get really like self-conscious about it.

2442
03:01:26,120 --> 03:01:32,120
Really, really, really, really into it. Like I was quite taken aback when I was on Ludwig's stream

2443
03:01:32,120 --> 03:01:35,560
and he goes, hairline check, hairline check.

2444
03:01:35,560 --> 03:01:41,600
And I'm like, like he does that with his, he does that with his stream like very regularly.

2445
03:01:41,600 --> 03:01:44,680
And then he's like, oh, you're doing pretty good

2446
03:01:44,680 --> 03:01:49,240
for 37, are you on the, are you on the finasteride?

2447
03:01:49,240 --> 03:01:53,280
And I'm like, sorry, what is that? What even is that? I only know what it is because we had this conversation.

2448
03:01:53,280 --> 03:01:55,480
It's like a hair thinning drug.

2449
03:01:56,480 --> 03:01:58,000
I thought mine was worse.

2450
03:01:59,720 --> 03:02:04,920
Well, it's mostly here. Am I doing it bad? It's mostly here that it's gonna recede more.

2451
03:02:04,920 --> 03:02:08,720
So yeah, you could see, I'm definitely receding, but.

2452
03:02:09,560 --> 03:02:14,560
I don't know, it's just, I think like I respected

2453
03:02:16,720 --> 03:02:20,560
my dad the whole time I was growing up. My dad was bald the whole time I was growing up.

2454
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:24,320
So I just, I never cared at all. Yeah.

2455
03:02:25,440 --> 03:02:28,480
Apparently that drug can be dangerous. So I'm not endorsing it anyway.

2456
03:02:28,480 --> 03:02:32,360
Yeah, I wasn't an endorsement. Yeah, like I don't even know if it's legal in Canada.

2457
03:02:32,360 --> 03:02:35,520
There's all kinds of drugs in the States that like are not a thing up here.

2458
03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:41,960
Yeah, supplements too. Anyway, it follows both Linus and Luke after 4.30 p.m.

2459
03:02:42,640 --> 03:02:45,800
and we're even tracking who's the latest. So go check it out.

2460
03:02:45,800 --> 03:02:50,000
We're also bringing back another special week on Floatplane Riley Week.

2461
03:02:50,000 --> 03:02:53,680
Riley Week will go live with a few specials centered around Riley. That's gotta be fun.

2462
03:02:53,680 --> 03:03:01,560
We'll talk more about it next week and maybe even show a little teaser of what's to come. So make sure you guys are subscribed to Floatplane.

2463
03:03:01,720 --> 03:03:06,360
And now it's time for When After Dark. Yeah. Dan, you wanna change the color scheme?

2464
03:03:07,960 --> 03:03:10,440
He's got this. I believe in Dan.

2465
03:03:15,480 --> 03:03:18,840
Nice. Nice. When After Dark. Nice.

2466
03:03:18,840 --> 03:03:22,520
Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice.

2467
03:03:22,520 --> 03:03:26,180
Nice. Nice.

2468
03:03:26,180 --> 03:03:29,360
It'll be nice. It's a merch message. Yeah, hit me.

2469
03:03:29,360 --> 03:03:32,400
Should we go back to the way we started the show and be all gentle and soft?

2470
03:03:32,400 --> 03:03:35,400
Nope. Hi Linus, Luke and Dan. Hi, Luke and Dan.

2471
03:03:35,400 --> 03:03:39,200
Hi, Luke and Dan. Well, last weekend and in the confusion, the movers stole my PC.

2472
03:03:39,200 --> 03:03:44,680
Have you had any PCs stolen? How do you prevent theft in such cases?

2473
03:03:44,680 --> 03:03:47,960
I had a pocket PC stolen. It's kind of my fault.

2474
03:03:47,960 --> 03:03:51,240
I left it behind in a nice rink. Oh.

2475
03:03:51,240 --> 03:03:55,200
And then when I went back, it wasn't there anymore and that, them's the breaks.

2476
03:03:55,200 --> 03:03:58,280
And that was pre like pins.

2477
03:03:58,280 --> 03:04:01,760
Like literally if the battery died on that device, it completely factually reset.

2478
03:04:01,760 --> 03:04:06,160
Like it was just, yeah, that was a real thing, by the way, that was terrible.

2479
03:04:07,160 --> 03:04:11,560
Yep. Yep. I don't think I've ever had a...

2480
03:04:11,560 --> 03:04:15,520
I don't think I've ever... Oh, okay.

2481
03:04:15,520 --> 03:04:20,480
I think this isn't what you mean, but like we've had equipment stolen,

2482
03:04:20,480 --> 03:04:23,680
but not like my computer. Yeah.

2483
03:04:23,680 --> 03:04:28,480
I've been very lucky. Yeah, I have never had one stolen.

2484
03:04:28,480 --> 03:04:30,860
I do take measures.

2485
03:04:31,860 --> 03:04:36,300
You know, general house security is one. That's not going to help you when movers take it.

2486
03:04:36,300 --> 03:04:39,520
So I have no real tips for stopping the movers

2487
03:04:39,520 --> 03:04:44,420
from taking it. That's a rough one. When I'm traveling with like laptops and stuff,

2488
03:04:46,420 --> 03:04:50,020
even if I'm not tired, if I'm just like sitting down in an airport,

2489
03:04:50,020 --> 03:04:53,220
I never like, I don't like just put my bag

2490
03:04:53,220 --> 03:04:57,020
on the seat next to me, because there's a chance I'll look this way

2491
03:04:57,020 --> 03:05:01,740
and it will be to my back and someone might just take it and walk away and someone might not notice.

2492
03:05:01,740 --> 03:05:04,820
I'll like tie it to myself or wear it or something

2493
03:05:04,820 --> 03:05:08,140
or like, it can even be pretty simple. Like I'll put the bag down.

2494
03:05:09,220 --> 03:05:14,260
I'll kind of like hook my foot through the shoulder strap while I'm sitting down.

2495
03:05:14,260 --> 03:05:18,300
Like it's not even a noticeable movement really. And just make it so that if you were going to pick up the bag,

2496
03:05:18,300 --> 03:05:22,580
you'd be picking up my whole leg and then just like, whatever, and I'll just keep it that way.

2497
03:05:24,420 --> 03:05:28,900
I might've had a beater laptop taken from the back of my Civic once when it was broken in two.

2498
03:05:28,900 --> 03:05:32,780
But I remember at the time, not even being sure if it was in there.

2499
03:05:32,780 --> 03:05:35,020
Like it really didn't matter. Yeah.

2500
03:05:36,620 --> 03:05:41,780
So maybe. My, the first laptop I ever bought still works.

2501
03:05:43,100 --> 03:05:46,540
This would be in- Oh, that ASUS thing? But pre that.

2502
03:05:46,540 --> 03:05:51,060
Oh, really? Yeah, that ASUS thing also still works. Yeah, I think you like gave it to someone,

2503
03:05:51,060 --> 03:05:53,780
the like brown one, right? Yeah, bamboo.

2504
03:05:56,380 --> 03:05:59,860
Yeah, yeah. Sweet, steal a bag, get a free Luke.

2505
03:05:59,860 --> 03:06:02,140
Yeah, basically.

2506
03:06:03,740 --> 03:06:08,700
That's one way to look at it. Hey, Dale, I recently installed a smart panel

2507
03:06:08,700 --> 03:06:13,820
and apparently my network closet and office are pulling 1,200 Watts total constantly.

2508
03:06:13,820 --> 03:06:18,020
Any tips for how I can bring down my $600 monthly electric bill?

2509
03:06:18,020 --> 03:06:23,860
For the network closet, there's not much you're going to be able to do other than buy new stuff.

2510
03:06:23,860 --> 03:06:27,380
And it, I mean, a fence at $600 a month?

2511
03:06:28,900 --> 03:06:33,980
Oh man, power must be way more expensive where you are. They're saying home office and stuff too, right?

2512
03:06:33,980 --> 03:06:39,940
They just, they added monitoring. They didn't say home office. They said my network closet and office.

2513
03:06:39,940 --> 03:06:44,180
Office, home office. Well, you guys are assuming that it's home.

2514
03:06:44,180 --> 03:06:48,980
Yeah, otherwise you wouldn't care about the electricity bill. You might, if you pay utilities and you're-

2515
03:06:48,980 --> 03:06:52,900
It's true. I don't know. I think we forget that our electricity is cheap here.

2516
03:06:52,900 --> 03:06:55,940
Yeah, no, I think the electricity there is just really expensive.

2517
03:06:56,060 --> 03:07:00,420
So reducing what your electronics are doing

2518
03:07:00,420 --> 03:07:04,500
or what your things drawing power are doing, the only way you can really do stuff

2519
03:07:04,500 --> 03:07:09,220
is like get more efficient to like power supplies or something like that. 1,200 Watts constantly.

2520
03:07:09,220 --> 03:07:13,220
That's a lot. Is a lot. Yeah, 2,240 would improve efficiency a little bit,

2521
03:07:13,220 --> 03:07:18,100
but we're talking like, you know, three to 5% maybe.

2522
03:07:18,100 --> 03:07:21,420
It's a little bigger percentages, yeah. Yeah, so maybe you're saving like, you know,

2523
03:07:21,420 --> 03:07:25,460
20 bucks a month and whatever that upgrade is costing you, it's going to take a minute to-

2524
03:07:25,460 --> 03:07:30,220
I'm really wondering like, what is the constantly? What is running constantly that's taking that much power?

2525
03:07:30,220 --> 03:07:34,140
Because there might be some things that you can do

2526
03:07:34,140 --> 03:07:38,140
where you can run like scheduled systems to shut things down or something.

2527
03:07:38,140 --> 03:07:40,340
Cause that's a lot to pull constantly.

2528
03:07:41,660 --> 03:07:46,100
Are you running AC overnight? Oh yeah, like AC could be a big part of it.

2529
03:07:46,100 --> 03:07:51,480
Tim says, I'm in Massachusetts, I have a home lab, I spend $1,000 a month in electricity.

2530
03:07:53,260 --> 03:07:56,300
Yeah, we're really lucky that our power comes from falling water here.

2531
03:07:58,220 --> 03:08:01,980
Yeah, you gotta, other than buying new stuff

2532
03:08:01,980 --> 03:08:05,340
that is more modern or doing less with it,

2533
03:08:05,340 --> 03:08:08,420
shutting it down when you're not using it, putting it on a schedule.

2534
03:08:08,420 --> 03:08:11,820
I don't know what to tell you, cause utility power costs, utility power costs.

2535
03:08:11,820 --> 03:08:14,660
I mean, you could put up solar panels, that's an option.

2536
03:08:16,820 --> 03:08:20,020
I mean, you're spending a lot in order to make these upgrades,

2537
03:08:20,020 --> 03:08:23,100
but like, it's also costing you a lot to not make them.

2538
03:08:23,100 --> 03:08:25,100
So it almost seems like you'd have to.

2539
03:08:26,100 --> 03:08:29,100
I feel like it's gotta be, because he said constantly,

2540
03:08:29,100 --> 03:08:33,140
my interpretation of that is like, even at four in the morning when no one's there.

2541
03:08:33,140 --> 03:08:37,060
So my assumption is that certain things just need to be shut down, whether that's AC

2542
03:08:37,060 --> 03:08:41,220
or something else. Maybe the computer. 1200 watts, like that doesn't even account

2543
03:08:41,220 --> 03:08:46,660
for having AC running. That's not enough, is it? Yeah. It's gotta be, he's leaving the computer on constantly.

2544
03:08:46,660 --> 03:08:50,060
Shut her down, put her to sleep. Hibernate it. Yeah.

2545
03:08:51,300 --> 03:08:53,900
Do something. I feel like something can change.

2546
03:08:58,660 --> 03:09:03,100
Up next, Linus, the closet gamer. You have said in the past that you didn't agree

2547
03:09:03,100 --> 03:09:08,740
with some of the decisions that LMG made. What were they who made those decisions then?

2548
03:09:08,740 --> 03:09:12,700
Oh man, there's all kinds of decisions that I don't necessarily agree with.

2549
03:09:12,700 --> 03:09:16,760
It's a big company now. I could probably just search my email. I mean, even in the earlier days,

2550
03:09:19,020 --> 03:09:22,020
I'm just gonna search my email for the phrase, I don't agree.

2551
03:09:24,460 --> 03:09:27,580
Oh my God, there's so many. Hold on.

2552
03:09:27,580 --> 03:09:33,220
Well, I'd kind of hope so at this point, to be honest. We've been around for so long if he didn't disagree that many times.

2553
03:09:33,220 --> 03:09:37,140
Like, he's like too agreeable at that point.

2554
03:09:37,140 --> 03:09:40,380
Okay, I search for... Which we know is not a problem.

2555
03:09:40,380 --> 03:09:44,140
Mm. Mm.

2556
03:09:44,140 --> 03:09:47,500
Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm.

2557
03:09:47,500 --> 03:09:49,180
Mm. Okay.

2558
03:09:51,980 --> 03:09:55,260
G-dub, sometimes I don't agree with myself. I like that.

2559
03:09:55,260 --> 03:09:56,100
That's good.

2560
03:09:58,580 --> 03:10:02,300
My position can change on things? Yeah. No.

2561
03:10:02,300 --> 03:10:05,900
Exactly. That's reasonable. Oh.

2562
03:10:05,900 --> 03:10:08,140
Yeah, I, okay, I'm trying to...

2563
03:10:10,940 --> 03:10:14,340
Don't foresee the results, no. I mean, hmm.

2564
03:10:14,340 --> 03:10:17,340
I, man, what could I...

2565
03:10:18,340 --> 03:10:21,420
Oh, I'm gonna search for try anything twice.

2566
03:10:21,420 --> 03:10:26,380
Cause that's a line I often use when people suggest something to me.

2567
03:10:26,380 --> 03:10:27,220
And...

2568
03:10:31,700 --> 03:10:35,700
Okay. This is regarding the compilation of Scrapyard Wars.

2569
03:10:35,700 --> 03:10:40,140
My response is just try anything twice. I support it. I do.

2570
03:10:40,140 --> 03:10:43,580
And I said, I'd, no, okay, I didn't.

2571
03:10:43,580 --> 03:10:48,540
This I didn't really have an opinion on. Man, I guess a lot of this would take place via chat.

2572
03:10:48,540 --> 03:10:52,740
Luke, can you think of something we did that I was like, I don't agree, but let's try it anyway?

2573
03:10:54,540 --> 03:10:58,820
Like I feel like there's definitely been... I promise you this has happened a bunch of times.

2574
03:10:58,820 --> 03:11:02,100
I can't really think of a particular example.

2575
03:11:02,100 --> 03:11:05,580
Like there's definitely concepts for videos

2576
03:11:05,580 --> 03:11:09,940
that I've been like, I don't agree.

2577
03:11:09,940 --> 03:11:16,460
Yeah. But we can try it and see how it goes or like titling a video where I'm like, okay.

2578
03:11:16,460 --> 03:11:18,380
Yeah, go ahead and try it.

2579
03:11:19,580 --> 03:11:21,620
I don't think that's the best approach.

2580
03:11:22,980 --> 03:11:27,100
I can't find anything right now though. I can't think of a particular one off the top of my head,

2581
03:11:27,100 --> 03:11:31,940
but I know there was videos back in the day that we'd go back and forth on and you'd let me try stuff

2582
03:11:31,940 --> 03:11:35,980
and sometimes it would work and you were wrong and sometimes it wouldn't work at all and you were right.

2583
03:11:35,980 --> 03:11:38,660
And it's just like, I don't know how it would go.

2584
03:11:39,660 --> 03:11:40,500
Okay.

2585
03:11:42,940 --> 03:11:48,100
All right, well, I don't know. Do you want to do another one? And I'll keep trying to find something in the meantime.

2586
03:11:48,100 --> 03:11:52,660
Sure. Do you have any for me, Dad? Yeah, I know that there's one or two in here.

2587
03:11:52,660 --> 03:11:54,660
Let's see if I can find it.

2588
03:11:55,660 --> 03:12:00,660
Hey, LLD, Luke, what's your favorite lean-back game

2589
03:12:00,660 --> 03:12:04,900
to relax with these days? Oh, I thought of something. Oh, okay, never mind, Luke.

2590
03:12:04,900 --> 03:12:11,740
Shut up. We're doing a fairly costly customer survey.

2591
03:12:14,420 --> 03:12:17,900
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't agree.

2592
03:12:17,900 --> 03:12:22,900
I told the senior management team that I don't think

2593
03:12:25,340 --> 03:12:30,180
it's the best possible use of money. I think that a lot of the things we're looking to learn

2594
03:12:30,180 --> 03:12:34,620
from it are things that if the product team at Creator Warehouse wants to know,

2595
03:12:34,620 --> 03:12:39,620
I could probably get them 70 to 80% of the way there

2596
03:12:39,620 --> 03:12:42,940
by just chatting with them for 30 to 60 minutes.

2597
03:12:44,300 --> 03:12:46,300
A lot of the questions we're asking,

2598
03:12:47,300 --> 03:12:51,300
I understand why they want to do it in this way

2599
03:12:51,300 --> 03:12:56,300
by hiring a survey company that specializes in the composition

2600
03:12:56,300 --> 03:12:59,300
of the questions and the sampling and whatever else,

2601
03:12:59,300 --> 03:13:01,300
and it has these connections.

2602
03:13:06,300 --> 03:13:11,300
I think that the polling and survey industry

2603
03:13:14,300 --> 03:13:19,300
is inherently flawed because truly neutral sampling

2604
03:13:20,300 --> 03:13:22,300
is the best way to do it.

2605
03:13:23,300 --> 03:13:27,300
Because truly neutral sampling is literally impossible,

2606
03:13:27,300 --> 03:13:33,300
especially in the modern age, and you see that with highly publicized survey results

2607
03:13:33,300 --> 03:13:37,300
like US election predictions, US election polls.

2608
03:13:38,300 --> 03:13:44,300
So we're doing it. We're spending what I consider to be a not very

2609
03:13:48,300 --> 03:13:51,300
amount of money that I'd like to spend on it,

2610
03:13:52,300 --> 03:13:56,300
but I greenlit it because this was something that

2611
03:13:56,300 --> 03:14:01,300
the team other than me and Yvonne and some other people

2612
03:14:02,300 --> 03:14:06,300
is aligned on and my whole thing is like, okay,

2613
03:14:06,300 --> 03:14:11,300
well then here's my expectations in terms of measuring a return on this.

2614
03:14:14,300 --> 03:14:19,300
And I hope you know what you're doing.

2615
03:14:19,300 --> 03:14:22,300
Tyback says this is a mistake. You're airing dirty laundry.

2616
03:14:22,300 --> 03:14:25,300
It's not dirty laundry. It's okay to disagree.

2617
03:14:25,300 --> 03:14:28,300
I've said that a bunch of times on the show. Show is Linus.

2618
03:14:28,300 --> 03:14:32,300
I've said a billion times on the show that this company makes decisions

2619
03:14:32,300 --> 03:14:35,300
that I don't agree with all the time. And that's okay.

2620
03:14:35,300 --> 03:14:38,300
And that's okay. You're never going to be in an organization

2621
03:14:38,300 --> 03:14:42,300
where you agree with literally every single action the company ever takes.

2622
03:14:42,300 --> 03:14:47,300
And I've provided my rationale, but let's make sure I provide their rationale as well.

2623
03:14:47,300 --> 03:14:52,300
Their rationale is that if we sample our existing customers,

2624
03:14:52,300 --> 03:14:55,300
it doesn't tell us much about the broader customer base

2625
03:14:55,300 --> 03:14:59,300
that's out there. If we just go based on gut feeling,

2626
03:14:59,300 --> 03:15:04,300
or what we've anecdotally observed over the years,

2627
03:15:04,300 --> 03:15:07,300
sure, yeah, that might get us 70% or 80% of the way there,

2628
03:15:07,300 --> 03:15:10,300
but if this gets us a few more percent,

2629
03:15:10,300 --> 03:15:14,300
that might at the very least help guide product development

2630
03:15:14,300 --> 03:15:21,300
in a more scientific, a more rigorous way.

2631
03:15:23,300 --> 03:15:26,300
Part of the justification is that that's just what these things cost.

2632
03:15:26,300 --> 03:15:31,300
So if we want to dip our toes into data collection in this manner,

2633
03:15:31,300 --> 03:15:35,300
this is just kind of what it costs to have a credible company do it,

2634
03:15:35,300 --> 03:15:38,300
and then we can decide after trying it once

2635
03:15:38,300 --> 03:15:45,300
if that's something that we want to do again. So there are absolutely, absolutely counterarguments,

2636
03:15:45,300 --> 03:15:49,300
and at the end of the day, I said, I don't agree.

2637
03:15:49,300 --> 03:15:52,300
And here's a check.

2638
03:15:57,300 --> 03:16:00,300
Bold. Well, you got to try stuff, right?

2639
03:16:00,300 --> 03:16:05,300
I mean, if I just wanted to... If all we ever did was my perspective,

2640
03:16:05,300 --> 03:16:09,300
then that could potentially limit our capacity

2641
03:16:09,300 --> 03:16:12,300
for new ideas and growth, right?

2642
03:16:12,300 --> 03:16:17,300
There is this whole problem with founders,

2643
03:16:17,300 --> 03:16:22,300
where in some cases to like grow past a certain point,

2644
03:16:22,300 --> 03:16:26,300
you either need to like cycle them out or certain job functions can't be done by them anymore

2645
03:16:26,300 --> 03:16:31,300
because they'll have a certain scope of thinking that doesn't necessarily continue to work.

2646
03:16:31,300 --> 03:16:36,300
And to be clear, there's certain times when I would absolutely stick to my guns.

2647
03:16:36,300 --> 03:16:40,300
Yeah. But when it's a difference of opinion,

2648
03:16:40,300 --> 03:16:43,300
you have to leave openings.

2649
03:16:43,300 --> 03:16:44,300
Yeah.

2650
03:16:46,300 --> 03:16:49,300
Okay, sorry. What was the question for Luke? I want to hear now.

2651
03:16:49,300 --> 03:16:53,300
What's your favorite lean back game to relax with these days?

2652
03:16:53,300 --> 03:16:54,300
Oh.

2653
03:17:00,300 --> 03:17:02,300
I don't do that as much these days.

2654
03:17:04,300 --> 03:17:07,300
Not playing games. You assume Luke leans back.

2655
03:17:07,300 --> 03:17:12,300
Yeah. Time has been expensive for me lately.

2656
03:17:15,300 --> 03:17:18,300
Genuinely lean back is a tough one

2657
03:17:18,300 --> 03:17:21,300
because usually I'm more like,

2658
03:17:21,300 --> 03:17:24,300
I'll go play Pokemon Go because it gets me outside.

2659
03:17:24,300 --> 03:17:30,300
I'm walking. I try to stay in constant movement when I'm playing Pokemon Go as much as possible.

2660
03:17:30,300 --> 03:17:34,300
Literally the opposite? Yeah, it's not a lean back, but it is relaxing.

2661
03:17:34,300 --> 03:17:37,300
I'm changing the words, which is not fair.

2662
03:17:37,300 --> 03:17:40,300
I think that makes sense. Yeah. So I want to include the answer

2663
03:17:40,300 --> 03:17:45,300
because it's sort of in line, but it's also completely not.

2664
03:17:45,300 --> 03:17:48,300
So a general lean back game, I haven't played it in forever,

2665
03:17:48,300 --> 03:17:54,300
but either Civ, civilization,

2666
03:17:54,300 --> 03:17:58,300
or FTL is not a lean back game. I sweat when I play the game.

2667
03:17:58,300 --> 03:18:02,300
I always make it like hardest possible. Oh, LZF stresses. Hell, go crazy.

2668
03:18:03,300 --> 03:18:06,300
I've beat all the challenges in the game on all the anyways.

2669
03:18:06,300 --> 03:18:09,300
That's impressive, actually. I am a FTL sweat.

2670
03:18:09,300 --> 03:18:11,300
It's one of my favorite games ever. Very sweat.

2671
03:18:13,300 --> 03:18:19,300
But yeah, so Civ or Assassin's Creed.

2672
03:18:19,300 --> 03:18:22,300
Right now it's, you can tell I played all the time

2673
03:18:22,300 --> 03:18:25,300
because I don't remember the name. Odyssey?

2674
03:18:25,300 --> 03:18:28,300
Odyssey? Odyssey? Let me look it up.

2675
03:18:29,300 --> 03:18:31,300
Did you ever mess with Fortress?

2676
03:18:35,300 --> 03:18:39,300
Sort of. Give me a sec, though. Yes, Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

2677
03:18:39,300 --> 03:18:43,300
I've been playing this game for, it looks like six years.

2678
03:18:43,300 --> 03:18:47,300
I play it, you know, every once, like every three to six months,

2679
03:18:47,300 --> 03:18:51,300
I'll go jump in and do a few missions and then leave again.

2680
03:18:51,300 --> 03:18:55,300
The setting is beautiful.

2681
03:18:55,300 --> 03:18:58,300
Assassin's Creed Odyssey is a beautiful game. Great sound.

2682
03:18:58,300 --> 03:19:01,300
You have a really cool partner buddy

2683
03:19:01,300 --> 03:19:05,300
and like this pet eagle that you have. The environment in the setting is just,

2684
03:19:05,300 --> 03:19:10,300
is absolutely fantastic. So it's a very fun game to go just chill in.

2685
03:19:13,300 --> 03:19:16,300
Yeah, I don't know. That's it, though.

2686
03:19:18,300 --> 03:19:21,300
Okay, let's see. What else do we have?

2687
03:19:22,300 --> 03:19:25,300
Hey, Leak, Lime and Dewdrop. Nice.

2688
03:19:25,300 --> 03:19:30,300
Linus, when are we getting more house build updates?

2689
03:19:31,300 --> 03:19:34,300
Oh, very soon. I actually reviewed a video today

2690
03:19:34,300 --> 03:19:36,300
that is fixing the,

2691
03:19:38,300 --> 03:19:43,300
we think we hope, fixing the corrosion issue with the water loops

2692
03:19:43,300 --> 03:19:45,300
and adding leak sensing.

2693
03:19:46,300 --> 03:19:48,300
Leak sensing is good. Yeah.

2694
03:19:49,300 --> 03:19:52,300
You have flow issues with that? You have a crazy pump, so maybe it doesn't matter.

2695
03:19:53,300 --> 03:19:58,300
We were having some flow issues, but that was due to the like particle filter

2696
03:19:58,300 --> 03:20:02,300
that we had in line. We got a better particle filter and it seems to be flowing a lot better now.

2697
03:20:02,300 --> 03:20:04,300
So cool. Yes, but no.

2698
03:20:07,300 --> 03:20:10,300
Linus, are you still grateful of having this job?

2699
03:20:10,300 --> 03:20:13,300
Years ago, you kept mentioning that you have the world's best job,

2700
03:20:13,300 --> 03:20:17,300
but you don't really bring this up lately being frustrated by the community instead.

2701
03:20:18,300 --> 03:20:20,300
It's a good question. Heavy.

2702
03:20:21,300 --> 03:20:24,300
It's a good question though. Well-framed too.

2703
03:20:24,300 --> 03:20:31,300
I am grateful. I have definitely found a more,

2704
03:20:34,300 --> 03:20:38,300
I have definitely found a less positive side of it,

2705
03:20:38,300 --> 03:20:41,300
particularly over the last year or so.

2706
03:20:41,300 --> 03:20:46,300
And I don't think it's new. I just think that for a long time,

2707
03:20:46,300 --> 03:20:51,300
the supportive voices largely overwhelmed

2708
03:20:51,300 --> 03:20:54,300
to the point of completely drowning out

2709
03:20:54,300 --> 03:20:58,300
the less supportive voices. Animosity and negativity in the tech space

2710
03:20:58,300 --> 03:21:02,300
has like massively spiked. That sucks a lot.

2711
03:21:02,300 --> 03:21:06,300
Out of curiosity, because other than Sony's own video,

2712
03:21:06,300 --> 03:21:09,300
we have the highest viewed video on the PlayStation 5 Pro.

2713
03:21:09,300 --> 03:21:14,300
Like it's not even close. So out of curiosity, I went over to r slash ps5,

2714
03:21:14,300 --> 03:21:20,300
like Reddit f***ing hates me. That's not subjective.

2715
03:21:20,300 --> 03:21:24,300
That's just a fact. Largely speaking, the Reddit community,

2716
03:21:24,300 --> 03:21:31,300
whether it's dismissive or outright hostile,

2717
03:21:31,300 --> 03:21:35,300
in general, the Redditor community just kind of hates me.

2718
03:21:35,300 --> 03:21:41,300
And so I went over. I was curious, do we even merit a post,

2719
03:21:41,300 --> 03:21:44,300
let alone getting any upvotes over there?

2720
03:21:44,300 --> 03:21:47,300
And not only did our PS5 Pro video,

2721
03:21:47,300 --> 03:21:50,300
which multiple people elsewhere,

2722
03:21:50,300 --> 03:21:54,300
like off of Reddit, pointed out how balanced it was.

2723
03:21:54,300 --> 03:21:58,300
Like we did point out the things that Sony did

2724
03:21:58,300 --> 03:22:01,300
that were making it very difficult for people.

2725
03:22:01,300 --> 03:22:06,300
The extremely high price for a console is a tough pill to swallow in this economy.

2726
03:22:06,300 --> 03:22:08,300
You know, like it's not great,

2727
03:22:09,300 --> 03:22:12,300
but we also talked through and explained

2728
03:22:12,300 --> 03:22:17,300
why it costs what it costs. So not only did we not merit a post,

2729
03:22:17,300 --> 03:22:21,300
even though people are clearly watching it. People are watching it.

2730
03:22:21,300 --> 03:22:26,300
But our last couple of PlayStation products,

2731
03:22:26,300 --> 03:22:31,300
so I believe it was the Portal and the PSVR,

2732
03:22:31,300 --> 03:22:34,300
had a bunch of discussion about them

2733
03:22:34,300 --> 03:22:38,300
when the videos were posted. Zero upvotes.

2734
03:22:38,300 --> 03:22:43,300
Not because there was any particular argument

2735
03:22:43,300 --> 03:22:48,300
against anything we said, but just because outside of,

2736
03:22:51,300 --> 03:22:55,300
outside of and even within the LTT community,

2737
03:22:55,300 --> 03:23:00,300
there is an amount of animosity

2738
03:23:00,300 --> 03:23:04,300
that I am having a hard time really coming to grips with.

2739
03:23:04,300 --> 03:23:07,300
It's been interesting... Which I think is fair.

2740
03:23:07,300 --> 03:23:10,300
It's been interesting watching the discourse change

2741
03:23:10,300 --> 03:23:15,300
around something like the framework investment. When we did it, it was with full transparency

2742
03:23:15,300 --> 03:23:19,300
and with the informed consent of the community,

2743
03:23:19,300 --> 03:23:22,300
you know, understanding what this was,

2744
03:23:22,300 --> 03:23:25,300
what it meant, what would and wouldn't change.

2745
03:23:25,300 --> 03:23:28,300
Sorry, are you talking about the framework investment?

2746
03:23:28,300 --> 03:23:33,300
Yeah. So not only the full consent, the excited involvement.

2747
03:23:33,300 --> 03:23:36,300
And over time,

2748
03:23:36,300 --> 03:23:41,300
that has morphed from enthusiastic support.

2749
03:23:41,300 --> 03:23:45,300
And I don't mean for everyone, a lot of people are still like very much,

2750
03:23:45,300 --> 03:23:51,300
like rah-rah-rah framework, in fact, too much. I mean, Austin posted that not completely positive video,

2751
03:23:51,300 --> 03:23:57,300
and people piled on him for it. It's just another edge of the sword of too much animosity.

2752
03:23:57,300 --> 03:24:00,300
There's too much fighting. So a lot of people are still very supportive,

2753
03:24:00,300 --> 03:24:04,300
but there's another sort of portion of the tech community

2754
03:24:04,300 --> 03:24:09,300
that just looks at it and goes, okay, well, Linus is compromised now

2755
03:24:09,300 --> 03:24:12,300
because he's got this framework investment.

2756
03:24:12,300 --> 03:24:16,300
But what I don't see is I don't see anybody

2757
03:24:16,300 --> 03:24:20,300
actually providing any concrete evidence to suggest

2758
03:24:20,300 --> 03:24:24,300
that the framework investment has affected my coverage

2759
03:24:24,300 --> 03:24:27,300
of any mobile device.

2760
03:24:27,300 --> 03:24:31,300
Show me. Show me where I said something

2761
03:24:31,300 --> 03:24:37,300
that was unfairly flattering a framework

2762
03:24:37,300 --> 03:24:42,300
or unfairly critical of a competitor to framework.

2763
03:24:42,300 --> 03:24:47,300
Show me. If anything, I treat them like the coach's son.

2764
03:24:47,300 --> 03:24:50,300
Yeah. I reviewed a script with... I got that vibe a couple times.

2765
03:24:50,300 --> 03:24:56,300
I reviewed a script with Elijah today. We had someone come to us with a complaint

2766
03:24:56,300 --> 03:25:02,300
about their customer service experience with framework. So it took us a little while, but we secret shopped them.

2767
03:25:02,300 --> 03:25:10,300
And I was not involved. Elijah, Alex, some unnamed people who are staying anonymous

2768
03:25:10,300 --> 03:25:14,300
because they're not staff. And if we can use their credit cards for mystery shopping,

2769
03:25:14,300 --> 03:25:19,300
then, hey, why don't we just not disclose their names and then we could use them again?

2770
03:25:19,300 --> 03:25:23,300
So a team of people put together a secret shop for framework.

2771
03:25:23,300 --> 03:25:26,300
And as I was going through, I went out of my way to,

2772
03:25:26,300 --> 03:25:30,300
if anything, I still did act in my role as editor.

2773
03:25:30,300 --> 03:25:36,300
But when I made a change to the script, I made 100% certain that everything I did

2774
03:25:36,300 --> 03:25:40,300
toned down the positivity as opposed to toned it up.

2775
03:25:40,300 --> 03:25:43,300
Or I explicitly checked with Elijah and I said,

2776
03:25:43,300 --> 03:25:47,300
does this still convey your thoughts about it?

2777
03:25:48,300 --> 03:25:54,300
I don't know.

2778
03:25:54,300 --> 03:25:57,300
It's been a really difficult thing.

2779
03:25:57,300 --> 03:26:00,300
We're deep enough in Wancho at this point

2780
03:26:00,300 --> 03:26:07,300
that maybe I'll just say this, but sometimes I make edits to the script

2781
03:26:07,300 --> 03:26:10,300
as we're going through and we're working together on tweaks to it

2782
03:26:10,300 --> 03:26:14,300
that are just meant to be a joke. They're just meant to get a laugh out of the writer

2783
03:26:14,300 --> 03:26:17,300
who's sitting next to me, like watching me change stuff.

2784
03:26:17,300 --> 03:26:23,300
And I put in a bit about how realistically

2785
03:26:23,300 --> 03:26:29,300
the value of framework's investment for me is less than...

2786
03:26:29,300 --> 03:26:33,300
I could probably name half a dozen laptop brands

2787
03:26:33,300 --> 03:26:36,300
that have paid me more over the course of my career

2788
03:26:36,300 --> 03:26:40,300
than the value of my investment framework.

2789
03:26:40,300 --> 03:26:46,300
That was a funny point. It was kind of poking fun at this idea

2790
03:26:46,300 --> 03:26:54,300
that somehow it was going to affect

2791
03:26:54,300 --> 03:26:58,300
my day-to-day operation of the company

2792
03:26:58,300 --> 03:27:03,300
other than to be extra, extra, extra careful about it.

2793
03:27:03,300 --> 03:27:10,300
I mean, you know this. Every single time the idea of framework has been brought up

2794
03:27:10,300 --> 03:27:14,300
when it comes to internal use. What do I say every single time?

2795
03:27:14,300 --> 03:27:18,300
If anything, you point out that they're expensive and you push against it.

2796
03:27:18,300 --> 03:27:22,300
If anything. And outside of that, you usually, like,

2797
03:27:22,300 --> 03:27:26,300
I don't want to be involved with the conversation. Because we were looking into getting frameworks

2798
03:27:26,300 --> 03:27:29,300
for internal laptops because of, you know,

2799
03:27:29,300 --> 03:27:35,300
their repairability and other stuff going on, but honestly, they're really expensive.

2800
03:27:35,300 --> 03:27:38,300
They're really expensive? They don't have touchscreens?

2801
03:27:38,300 --> 03:27:41,300
That's tough, yeah. There's a lot of people at the company

2802
03:27:41,300 --> 03:27:48,300
that are pretty ride or die for touchscreens. And again, they're really expensive.

2803
03:27:48,300 --> 03:27:52,300
So, I don't know. Hopefully they can figure that out. That cyborg relay says,

2804
03:27:52,300 --> 03:27:57,300
I've seen someone say you accidentally auctioned an engineering sample or whatever controversy it was

2805
03:27:57,300 --> 03:28:00,300
to attack that brand because they were a framework competitor,

2806
03:28:00,300 --> 03:28:06,300
truly unhinged. And the thing is that, like, it was very...

2807
03:28:06,300 --> 03:28:11,300
It was enlightening, but also disheartening.

2808
03:28:11,300 --> 03:28:15,300
Rossman's video supporting our De-Google Your Life series.

2809
03:28:15,300 --> 03:28:28,300
Because the portion of the tech community that...

2810
03:28:28,300 --> 03:28:32,300
I don't understand it.

2811
03:28:32,300 --> 03:28:37,300
If you wade into that mess,

2812
03:28:37,300 --> 03:28:42,300
it's...

2813
03:28:42,300 --> 03:28:46,300
I don't know. Maybe if you have, like, a background in psychoanalysis,

2814
03:28:46,300 --> 03:28:50,300
you can let me know what you think the kind of rationale behind it is.

2815
03:28:50,300 --> 03:28:53,300
But it's... It's pretty intense. It's tough.

2816
03:28:53,300 --> 03:28:56,300
And I still have a great job,

2817
03:28:56,300 --> 03:28:59,300
and I still am extremely grateful,

2818
03:28:59,300 --> 03:29:04,300
especially for the years where things were largely...

2819
03:29:04,300 --> 03:29:08,300
Not largely. They're still largely supportive and positive.

2820
03:29:08,300 --> 03:29:13,300
It's actually been... It's been really encouraging seeing viewership tick back up.

2821
03:29:13,300 --> 03:29:18,300
We're... I think we cracked, like, 80 million views on LTT.

2822
03:29:18,300 --> 03:29:21,300
We've been actually executing really well on content.

2823
03:29:21,300 --> 03:29:25,300
Overall, audience sentiment has been really good.

2824
03:29:25,300 --> 03:29:29,300
But the...

2825
03:29:29,300 --> 03:29:34,300
I do miss the days when it was almost universally supportive.

2826
03:29:34,300 --> 03:29:37,300
And that doesn't mean that I just expect adulation

2827
03:29:37,300 --> 03:29:43,300
for everything I do. I have always solicited constructive criticism.

2828
03:29:43,300 --> 03:29:46,300
We had a rule on the forum when we first started it

2829
03:29:46,300 --> 03:29:49,300
that you couldn't attack, you know, other creators in the space,

2830
03:29:49,300 --> 03:29:52,300
each other, other people... Moderators.

2831
03:29:52,300 --> 03:29:56,300
Moderators, basically anyone, but you could go after Linus and myself,

2832
03:29:56,300 --> 03:29:59,300
and it was genuinely fine for a long time. Most people would do it,

2833
03:29:59,300 --> 03:30:02,300
but it was not a huge population of people,

2834
03:30:02,300 --> 03:30:06,300
and usually the people would just kind of deal with it

2835
03:30:06,300 --> 03:30:09,300
and move on, and it was fine.

2836
03:30:09,300 --> 03:30:13,300
It was genuinely fine for, like, many years.

2837
03:30:13,300 --> 03:30:17,300
And now it's just... I think there's a little bit of shooting the messenger.

2838
03:30:17,300 --> 03:30:19,300
Like, people...

2839
03:30:22,300 --> 03:30:27,300
There's some people that are still extremely angry about, like, ad block is piracy thing.

2840
03:30:27,300 --> 03:30:32,300
Like, really angry. Which I genuinely, at no point in time,

2841
03:30:32,300 --> 03:30:36,300
have ever understood, because everyone's, like, happily posting memes

2842
03:30:36,300 --> 03:30:41,300
about pulling the pirate hat back out again and stuff, but then pointing out that that is also that.

2843
03:30:41,300 --> 03:30:44,300
Who cares? If you don't care. If deeply insults them, it's like,

2844
03:30:44,300 --> 03:30:49,300
what do you mean? If you don't care and you sleep well pirating movies and music, like...

2845
03:30:49,300 --> 03:30:52,300
Why is this a different line? I don't know.

2846
03:30:52,300 --> 03:30:55,300
Why is this a worse line? I don't... I don't know.

2847
03:30:55,300 --> 03:30:58,300
I've genuinely never understood it. I don't know.

2848
03:30:58,300 --> 03:31:00,300
I don't know, dude. Whatever.

2849
03:31:01,300 --> 03:31:04,300
Or, like, you know, when you have that conversation

2850
03:31:04,300 --> 03:31:08,300
that basically goes, but just, like, understand that when you pull the funding away from something,

2851
03:31:08,300 --> 03:31:14,300
it gets worse. Yeah. Like, dude, the state of news media now.

2852
03:31:14,300 --> 03:31:17,300
It's terrifying. Yeah. It's terrifying.

2853
03:31:17,300 --> 03:31:20,300
And the deeper you go down that rabbit hole, the scarier it is.

2854
03:31:20,300 --> 03:31:26,300
Yeah. We are so vulnerable right now

2855
03:31:26,300 --> 03:31:30,300
because we weren't willing to pay a subscription

2856
03:31:30,300 --> 03:31:35,300
and we're still not willing to pay a subscription to support, like, real journalism.

2857
03:31:39,300 --> 03:31:43,300
Yeah, so... There's been a couple of comments. One of them was saying that, like,

2858
03:31:43,300 --> 03:31:46,300
it's not just you guys.

2859
03:31:46,300 --> 03:31:49,300
While that is true, I genuinely believe that we get

2860
03:31:49,300 --> 03:31:52,300
a higher percentage than most because of a lot of stuff that happened last year.

2861
03:31:52,300 --> 03:31:55,300
Well, it's tall poppy. And that. Yeah.

2862
03:31:55,300 --> 03:31:58,300
And that, both, really. But there's channels that are just as big as us

2863
03:31:58,300 --> 03:32:05,300
that don't get anywhere near as much. And then also, there's been some comments of people

2864
03:32:05,300 --> 03:32:09,300
telling me to, like, pull this topic along

2865
03:32:09,300 --> 03:32:13,300
because it's clearly negative

2866
03:32:13,300 --> 03:32:17,300
and that we should just ignore the trolls. I hear ya.

2867
03:32:17,300 --> 03:32:23,300
I don't want us to do this all the time on Wancho, but I think sometimes showing kind of what's going on

2868
03:32:23,300 --> 03:32:27,300
on our end is just sort of being honest with the viewers.

2869
03:32:27,300 --> 03:32:30,300
And it's pretty intense.

2870
03:32:30,300 --> 03:32:36,300
Like, if you sort that Rossman video that you mentioned,

2871
03:32:36,300 --> 03:32:40,300
pretty positive video overall. If you go into the comments, it's not entirely positive,

2872
03:32:40,300 --> 03:32:46,300
but it's a pretty positive video. If you go into the comments and you sort by newest,

2873
03:32:46,300 --> 03:32:51,300
brutal. Yeah. And it's like, it's easy to say, well, forget the haters,

2874
03:32:51,300 --> 03:32:55,300
but this isn't that small of a niche.

2875
03:32:55,300 --> 03:32:58,300
You know, that's a video that has well over half a million

2876
03:32:58,300 --> 03:33:01,300
views now, thousands and thousands of comments.

2877
03:33:01,300 --> 03:33:07,300
And there's this almost universal, just like,

2878
03:33:07,300 --> 03:33:10,300
I don't know how to describe it other than just like,

2879
03:33:10,300 --> 03:33:13,300
yeah, animosity, hostility.

2880
03:33:14,300 --> 03:33:19,300
Anger and expression of anger paired with a note

2881
03:33:19,300 --> 03:33:23,300
that no action, no matter what you do, can ever be redeeming.

2882
03:33:23,300 --> 03:33:27,300
I noticed that at a very oddly consistent rate.

2883
03:33:27,300 --> 03:33:30,300
There was a bunch of different people, clearly not bots,

2884
03:33:30,300 --> 03:33:33,300
but just like, this doesn't make it okay

2885
03:33:33,300 --> 03:33:37,300
and nothing that is ever done can fix my opinion

2886
03:33:37,300 --> 03:33:40,300
of this person. It's like, whoa. Yeah.

2887
03:33:41,300 --> 03:33:44,300
What's the term? Moulding? Yeah.

2888
03:33:44,300 --> 03:33:47,300
Like it's tough to relate to.

2889
03:33:47,300 --> 03:33:54,300
Like I try to take feedback, right? Like I try to, we've always taken in data and tried

2890
03:33:54,300 --> 03:33:58,300
to throw it what's bad and keep what's good and keep evolving, keep evolving, right?

2891
03:33:58,300 --> 03:34:02,300
But when you get something that's just like,

2892
03:34:02,300 --> 03:34:05,300
I'm mad and nothing can ever change that I'm mad.

2893
03:34:05,300 --> 03:34:09,300
I don't even necessarily know what I'm mad about,

2894
03:34:09,300 --> 03:34:14,300
but here's what I've kind of grabbed onto

2895
03:34:14,300 --> 03:34:17,300
as the justification for my behavior.

2896
03:34:17,300 --> 03:34:23,300
I don't really know how to deal with that. Speaking of things that we've done that I haven't agreed with,

2897
03:34:23,300 --> 03:34:26,300
I strongly disagreed with a lot of the ways

2898
03:34:26,300 --> 03:34:28,300
that we handled the controversy last year.

2899
03:34:31,300 --> 03:34:35,300
But that's part of making decisions together as a team.

2900
03:34:35,300 --> 03:34:39,300
That's part of making decisions based on the best information

2901
03:34:39,300 --> 03:34:44,300
that you feel that you have at the time. I felt like there was a lot we could have said

2902
03:34:44,300 --> 03:34:50,300
and I wanted to say, but you have to manage.

2903
03:34:50,300 --> 03:34:53,300
There's also that it was in two parts.

2904
03:34:53,300 --> 03:34:56,300
It makes it complicated.

2905
03:34:56,300 --> 03:35:00,300
Yeah. I don't want to get way too many things. Yeah, we're definitely not going to do that

2906
03:35:00,300 --> 03:35:03,300
because if we were to make a decision about changing

2907
03:35:03,300 --> 03:35:06,300
what we have or haven't said about any of that,

2908
03:35:06,300 --> 03:35:13,300
that would be a decision we'd make as a team because what you have to understand past a certain point

2909
03:35:13,300 --> 03:35:18,300
is that the decisions you make impact more than just you.

2910
03:35:18,300 --> 03:35:21,300
There's a hundred people on payroll who depend on this company

2911
03:35:21,300 --> 03:35:25,300
and that was thrown into sharp relief last year

2912
03:35:25,300 --> 03:35:32,300
when I think a lot of the crusaders felt like they were taking down

2913
03:35:32,300 --> 03:35:36,300
like a big bad ogre.

2914
03:35:36,300 --> 03:35:40,300
When at the end of the day, I already made my money

2915
03:35:40,300 --> 03:35:43,300
and the people whose lives that if we went down,

2916
03:35:43,300 --> 03:35:47,300
which we weren't going to, we kind of are awesome

2917
03:35:47,300 --> 03:35:50,300
and we have a great team, literally world-class.

2918
03:35:50,300 --> 03:35:54,300
But if we went down, the people whose lives would have been

2919
03:35:54,300 --> 03:35:59,300
most negatively impacted would have been small creators.

2920
03:35:59,300 --> 03:36:02,300
I often hear people say, yeah, I don't watch LTT,

2921
03:36:02,300 --> 03:36:06,300
I watch small creators because I want to support small creators.

2922
03:36:06,300 --> 03:36:11,300
Oh, you mean smaller creators like Dan Besser,

2923
03:36:11,300 --> 03:36:15,300
producer of this weekly podcast who, by the way,

2924
03:36:15,300 --> 03:36:18,300
creates every day for a living here.

2925
03:36:18,300 --> 03:36:20,300
Lots of things.

2926
03:36:25,300 --> 03:36:28,300
Even in that same sense, if you start looking to external

2927
03:36:28,300 --> 03:36:31,300
to this company, small creators,

2928
03:36:31,300 --> 03:36:35,300
I have always believed in arisen tide lifts all ships.

2929
03:36:35,300 --> 03:36:39,300
When we were at our peak,

2930
03:36:39,300 --> 03:36:45,300
so was the entire tech YouTuber sphere.

2931
03:36:45,300 --> 03:36:48,300
When we slumped, so did everyone.

2932
03:36:48,300 --> 03:36:52,300
Now, I don't think that we can assign any causality.

2933
03:36:52,300 --> 03:36:55,300
It's not because of us. Yeah, there's been other challenges.

2934
03:36:55,300 --> 03:36:57,300
The whole industry follows a similar line.

2935
03:36:58,300 --> 03:37:01,300
And I don't think that... I don't mean that, relax.

2936
03:37:01,300 --> 03:37:05,300
I don't think that members of the tech media tearing each other down is constructive.

2937
03:37:05,300 --> 03:37:13,300
I think that we have always worked to build up.

2938
03:37:15,300 --> 03:37:17,300
Technically, no.

2939
03:37:20,300 --> 03:37:24,300
There's the one case where we were negatively comparing.

2940
03:37:24,300 --> 03:37:28,300
I'm saying we as a company, not us, not you and me as individuals.

2941
03:37:28,300 --> 03:37:31,300
We were negatively comparing other outlets.

2942
03:37:31,300 --> 03:37:34,300
Sure, but I think we dealt with that pretty decisively.

2943
03:37:34,300 --> 03:37:40,300
I agree, I'm just saying. I can't control what every single person says and does.

2944
03:37:40,300 --> 03:37:42,300
No.

2945
03:37:43,300 --> 03:37:46,300
Yeah, there was an error in a video a little while ago

2946
03:37:46,300 --> 03:37:54,300
that basically I was accused of being biased in some way.

2947
03:37:54,300 --> 03:37:57,300
I don't want to get into the exact details because it's just not worth it,

2948
03:37:57,300 --> 03:38:00,300
but I was accused of being biased and I was sitting there going like,

2949
03:38:00,300 --> 03:38:03,300
I didn't even touch that. I never saw it.

2950
03:38:04,300 --> 03:38:08,300
That's tough. I think that's largely because...

2951
03:38:08,300 --> 03:38:13,300
It might not work that way. Here, we have 100 plus people,

2952
03:38:13,300 --> 03:38:16,300
but a lot of YouTubers are one two-bit operations,

2953
03:38:16,300 --> 03:38:19,300
so people do think that they basically see everything,

2954
03:38:19,300 --> 03:38:23,300
but it's like, we're not. Yeah, we're super not.

2955
03:38:29,300 --> 03:38:32,300
So yeah, I am still grateful.

2956
03:38:35,300 --> 03:38:39,300
It's harder to keep track of that. There are definitely times.

2957
03:38:39,300 --> 03:38:44,300
I was swimming in my private pool the other day,

2958
03:38:44,300 --> 03:38:51,300
and I thought, no, really though. I was like, this is the pool that...

2959
03:38:51,300 --> 03:38:55,300
None of this would be possible. This is a crazy life I could have never imagined for myself

2960
03:38:55,300 --> 03:39:00,300
if I hadn't through a combination of hard work, talent,

2961
03:39:00,300 --> 03:39:03,300
and being exceptionally lucky.

2962
03:39:03,300 --> 03:39:07,300
I was in the right place at the right time. This is something that never would have been possible.

2963
03:39:07,300 --> 03:39:11,300
This is absolutely incredible, and just had this moment of gratitude.

2964
03:39:11,300 --> 03:39:17,300
I have to confess, I was thinking not as much about you guys. I was actually thinking more of my wife and the team.

2965
03:39:19,300 --> 03:39:23,300
Sorry, you guys are totally, totally integral to the whole thing,

2966
03:39:23,300 --> 03:39:28,300
for real. Yeah, that was like three days ago.

2967
03:39:28,300 --> 03:39:31,300
So yeah, I definitely think about it often,

2968
03:39:31,300 --> 03:39:34,300
but it's harder in the day-to-day these days.

2969
03:39:34,300 --> 03:39:40,300
It's been very challenging. Just to help us come up for error a little bit here though.

2970
03:39:40,300 --> 03:39:43,300
You mentioned earlier, teams are doing better,

2971
03:39:43,300 --> 03:39:47,300
things are getting better. All of that is true.

2972
03:39:47,300 --> 03:39:51,300
Not only are performance metrics coming back,

2973
03:39:51,300 --> 03:39:55,300
but I genuinely think the space is getting a little bit less toxic.

2974
03:39:55,300 --> 03:40:00,300
I think there's been a sentiment shift towards us specifically as well.

2975
03:40:00,300 --> 03:40:04,300
Yeah, I'm honestly looking more overall at the whole industry,

2976
03:40:04,300 --> 03:40:07,300
but that's probably also true in regards to...

2977
03:40:07,300 --> 03:40:10,300
I think they're kind of related. Maybe.

2978
03:40:10,300 --> 03:40:13,300
I think they're kind of related. I think a lot of... I think people are maybe tired of it.

2979
03:40:13,300 --> 03:40:16,300
I think people are getting... Because it's exhausting. It is.

2980
03:40:16,300 --> 03:40:20,300
It's very exhausting. I'm just tired of being angry.

2981
03:40:20,300 --> 03:40:24,300
Yeah. I don't have the energy for it anymore.

2982
03:40:24,300 --> 03:40:28,300
Like, why are we doing this?

2983
03:40:28,300 --> 03:40:32,300
The answer has to be because we love it, otherwise why?

2984
03:40:32,300 --> 03:40:35,300
Oh, oh, oh. You mean like the work? I thought you meant the fighting.

2985
03:40:35,300 --> 03:40:38,300
Yeah. No. Sorry.

2986
03:40:38,300 --> 03:40:42,300
I was like, I don't know.

2987
03:40:42,300 --> 03:40:45,300
Yeah. I don't know. That's...

2988
03:40:45,300 --> 03:40:49,300
Yeah. And I am genuinely...

2989
03:40:49,300 --> 03:40:54,300
It was a little doom and gloom for a while there. At this point, I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

2990
03:40:54,300 --> 03:41:01,300
I think we can get back, maybe not exactly where we were, but I think we can fix some of this.

2991
03:41:01,300 --> 03:41:06,300
And it's going to take effectively everybody.

2992
03:41:06,300 --> 03:41:10,300
Well, yeah. Creators, viewers. Can you guys be part of it?

2993
03:41:10,300 --> 03:41:16,300
Like, can we just... Can we try to, you know, not be upset about...

2994
03:41:16,300 --> 03:41:20,300
And if someone just likes the PS portal, even though it's locked down,

2995
03:41:20,300 --> 03:41:23,300
can we just be okay with that if they just like it? Is that okay?

2996
03:41:23,300 --> 03:41:28,300
Yeah. And to be clear, this means, honestly, mostly elsewhere, right?

2997
03:41:28,300 --> 03:41:31,300
Not just us.

2998
03:41:31,300 --> 03:41:36,300
And it doesn't mean just like accepting everything all the time.

2999
03:41:36,300 --> 03:41:40,300
King Ghost, I miss the friendly collaboration too.

3000
03:41:40,300 --> 03:41:49,300
Yeah. I literally, my favorite thing out of practically everything used to be going to events

3001
03:41:49,300 --> 03:41:55,300
and having these dinners that we used to do. Luke, we had dozens of creators at probably the biggest tech creator dinner

3002
03:41:55,300 --> 03:41:58,300
that has ever taken place. Yeah.

3003
03:41:58,300 --> 03:42:05,300
At LTX. And that was sick. And then literally, weeks later, we were living on ostracization island.

3004
03:42:05,300 --> 03:42:08,300
Yeah. Literally weeks later. Yeah.

3005
03:42:08,300 --> 03:42:13,300
As if it never happened and we never did anything to help build up the space.

3006
03:42:13,300 --> 03:42:17,300
As if we were evil people motivated only by whatever, like tearing people down.

3007
03:42:17,300 --> 03:42:21,300
I... That was quite the peak and fall.

3008
03:42:21,300 --> 03:42:24,800
Because that... I still got whiplash. Yeah.

3009
03:42:24,800 --> 03:42:28,800
I feel like videos were killing it.

3010
03:42:28,800 --> 03:42:31,800
I think public perception was super, super high.

3011
03:42:31,800 --> 03:42:35,800
And this is, I mean, this is a story that's been told a bunch of times in reality.

3012
03:42:35,800 --> 03:42:43,800
Yeah. But yeah, we were at a hell of a peak at that point in time.

3013
03:42:43,800 --> 03:42:46,800
Anyway, hey, we had a collab go live today.

3014
03:42:46,800 --> 03:42:49,800
Yeah. Evan and Caitlin. That was cool.

3015
03:42:49,800 --> 03:42:52,800
Yeah. We have some more collabs coming.

3016
03:42:52,800 --> 03:42:55,800
I'm very excited for everything that's coming.

3017
03:42:55,800 --> 03:42:58,800
And yeah, we've been killing it.

3018
03:42:58,800 --> 03:43:02,800
No, thank you, Anonymous. Yes, I am grateful.

3019
03:43:02,800 --> 03:43:07,800
And you know what? Maybe it was cathartic too, to have this conversation.

3020
03:43:07,800 --> 03:43:10,800
I don't want to do this all the time. No.

3021
03:43:10,800 --> 03:43:16,800
No, me neither. But it's good to re-center and refocus every once in a while.

3022
03:43:16,800 --> 03:43:20,800
Thank you. Yeah. And like, look at the channel, man.

3023
03:43:20,800 --> 03:43:25,800
He has five pro video, 1.4 million views, Apple event video, 1.5 million views, $50 versus

3024
03:43:25,800 --> 03:43:30,800
$50,000 computer, 1.3 million views, 1.9 million views on the why the YouTube video about taking

3025
03:43:30,800 --> 03:43:35,800
down, lowest rated PC, 1.3 million views, 1.6 on the tech upgrade.

3026
03:43:35,800 --> 03:43:38,800
Content has been killing it.

3027
03:43:38,800 --> 03:43:41,800
Yep. I understand the printer video isn't doing that well.

3028
03:43:41,800 --> 03:43:44,800
You still got 800,000 views on a printer.

3029
03:43:44,800 --> 03:43:48,800
No one even buys those. Show me anyone else who can get 800,000 views on a printer.

3030
03:43:48,800 --> 03:43:51,800
At a certain point, it's like, that's still pretty cool.

3031
03:43:51,800 --> 03:43:54,800
Like, yeah, it's not doing as well as the other ones, but it's a printer.

3032
03:43:54,800 --> 03:43:59,800
I remember using a line a lot like that when I would, back when I would pitch to brands,

3033
03:43:59,800 --> 03:44:06,800
I'd be like, especially IT brands, consumer electronics, you know, they can go to, they

3034
03:44:06,800 --> 03:44:10,800
could go to like a, okay, this is contemporary, right?

3035
03:44:10,800 --> 03:44:16,800
Or contemporaneous. So they could go to a Casey Neistat, you know, like Samsung or whatever, right?

3036
03:44:16,800 --> 03:44:21,800
Go to someone lifestyle, right? But IT brands, I would, I would often pull out this line.

3037
03:44:21,800 --> 03:44:27,800
I'd be like, tell me who else can get a million views on a hard drive.

3038
03:44:27,800 --> 03:44:34,800
I'll wait. Like it's, we are, I think we're really good.

3039
03:44:34,800 --> 03:44:43,800
And it's not, it's not just me. We as a team are really good at finding what's interesting about, about technology and being

3040
03:44:43,800 --> 03:44:47,800
excited about it and sharing that excitement. That's our superpower.

3041
03:44:47,800 --> 03:44:50,800
And watch that. And also watch everyone else's stuff.

3042
03:44:50,800 --> 03:44:53,800
I don't know. The tech space is cool and different angles are cool.

3043
03:44:53,800 --> 03:44:58,800
We say all the time, we'll say it now. If you watch review on something, watch other reviews as well.

3044
03:44:58,800 --> 03:45:01,800
Yeah. Like that's never going to change.

3045
03:45:01,800 --> 03:45:05,800
I want this tide. Not only do I believe that the tide lifts all the ships.

3046
03:45:05,800 --> 03:45:11,800
I want it to lift all the ships. The space is uninteresting if it's just a few players.

3047
03:45:11,800 --> 03:45:16,800
And that's how things slowly die. You, you want it to be vibrant and lively.

3048
03:45:16,800 --> 03:45:21,800
You want a lot of places for people to go for information, for news, for entertainment

3049
03:45:21,800 --> 03:45:25,800
content, all the type of stuff where the interest is this type of tech stuff.

3050
03:45:25,800 --> 03:45:29,800
That's how everything is going to be able to move forward best.

3051
03:45:29,800 --> 03:45:34,800
And that's how you, that's how you sow the seeds of the next generation of creators as

3052
03:45:34,800 --> 03:45:40,800
well. Like if we're just down and angry and negative all the time, how are we going to, how's

3053
03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:46,800
anyone going to get enthusiastic and replace me? Smashing on anyone for, for having a slightly different opinion.

3054
03:45:46,800 --> 03:45:51,800
There's no real space for, for new angles, new talent, new ideas.

3055
03:45:51,800 --> 03:46:00,800
New ideas. Yeah. So try to, try to promote the idea of, of different angles on things, different opinions

3056
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:09,800
on things, different approaches to things. And then there's more of a chance that that person in their, in their bedroom with a camera

3057
03:46:09,800 --> 03:46:14,800
that had bought a new phone can make a video on it and, and start a career that way.

3058
03:46:14,800 --> 03:46:18,800
Jim's tech says the printer video was good. It was a bummer that the only laser printer you had was monochrome.

3059
03:46:18,800 --> 03:46:21,800
There are some good color laser printers out there that are cheap also.

3060
03:46:21,800 --> 03:46:25,800
That's a really good point. I think it was just kind of a limitation of the format.

3061
03:46:25,800 --> 03:46:32,800
We were trying to do that thing where the increments go up in 10x and at $400 you can

3062
03:46:32,800 --> 03:46:35,800
get a really nice tank based inkjet.

3063
03:46:35,800 --> 03:46:39,800
At $4 you can get a piece of garbage bubble jet.

3064
03:46:39,800 --> 03:46:42,800
We literally did get a $4 printer though.

3065
03:46:42,800 --> 03:46:46,800
It was like seven, six and a half Canadian dollars or something like that.

3066
03:46:46,800 --> 03:46:49,800
I forgot exactly what it was, but it was like 450 us or something.

3067
03:46:49,800 --> 03:46:53,800
And then at $40 you're not getting a color laser.

3068
03:46:53,800 --> 03:46:59,800
You're getting a black and white laser. So I would have actually really liked to show like a $60, $70 option.

3069
03:46:59,800 --> 03:47:04,800
That's like a color laser that will at least do like color documents or whatever.

3070
03:47:04,800 --> 03:47:07,800
We tried to kind of talk about it, but you're right.

3071
03:47:07,800 --> 03:47:11,800
You're right. That was something where we tried something.

3072
03:47:11,800 --> 03:47:20,800
So we tried this like increments of 10x format with the 50 versus 500 versus 5,000 versus

3073
03:47:20,800 --> 03:47:23,800
$50,000 computer thing. We tried it with the printers.

3074
03:47:23,800 --> 03:47:28,800
I don't think we have anything else in the queue right now, but we got to try stuff.

3075
03:47:28,800 --> 03:47:31,800
We got to try stuff. You could maybe do honorable mentions just to fill certain gaps.

3076
03:47:31,800 --> 03:47:38,800
That's an idea. Yep. But that's another thing is like, we'll have minor missteps here or there, but content

3077
03:47:38,800 --> 03:47:43,800
constantly changes and you're never going to perfectly hit every time we learn things

3078
03:47:43,800 --> 03:47:47,800
move on. That's part of the job. I think the content team is doing great.

3079
03:47:47,800 --> 03:47:53,800
I think they're killing it. And I think the views and general audience sentiment improving reflects that.

3080
03:47:53,800 --> 03:47:58,800
A random physicist says home feeder would be a great 10x video, like the $10 home feeder

3081
03:47:58,800 --> 03:48:01,800
based on what you did in Scrapyard Wars. You could do it.

3082
03:48:02,800 --> 03:48:09,800
That's one of the things with home theater stuff is like, well, that guy I think just

3083
03:48:09,800 --> 03:48:12,800
took pity on me or something. I don't know. Well, he knew who you were.

3084
03:48:12,800 --> 03:48:15,800
Oh, he didn't at all. Okay. Did the audio from that ever go in?

3085
03:48:15,800 --> 03:48:18,800
I don't think so. I haven't watched the full video. We have the whole thing audio recorded.

3086
03:48:18,800 --> 03:48:21,800
He had genuinely no coverage. Okay. All right.

3087
03:48:21,800 --> 03:48:24,800
All right. I'll allow it. I'll accept it.

3088
03:48:24,800 --> 03:48:30,800
He thought I was a very weird guy. But yeah, there's like old home theater equipment.

3089
03:48:30,800 --> 03:48:33,800
Sometimes people are just trying to move it on. That wasn't even old.

3090
03:48:33,800 --> 03:48:37,800
That was actually all kind of newer stuff. Anyways, that was weird, but yeah.

3091
03:48:43,800 --> 03:48:46,800
Yeah. Next.

3092
03:48:46,800 --> 03:48:49,800
Would you care for a second message?

3093
03:48:50,800 --> 03:48:53,800
That's got to be one of the all time. Yeah.

3094
03:48:53,800 --> 03:48:55,800
Let's go with something a little lighter this time. If you don't mind.

3095
03:48:57,800 --> 03:49:00,800
Let me just look. What is your opinion on geopolitics?

3096
03:49:01,800 --> 03:49:03,800
This might take me a bit to find one.

3097
03:49:04,800 --> 03:49:08,800
Would TechLink still exist if Riley didn't join LMG in 2019?

3098
03:49:08,800 --> 03:49:11,800
You talked about how it picked up nearly all the lost revenue

3099
03:49:11,800 --> 03:49:14,800
from LTT when LTT struggled. This one wasn't better.

3100
03:49:14,800 --> 03:49:18,800
Would LMG be entirely different now if there was no TechLink?

3101
03:49:18,800 --> 03:49:24,800
I love Riley. I didn't see a path toward having that high energy, irreverent,

3102
03:49:24,800 --> 03:49:27,800
yet informed style without Riley.

3103
03:49:27,800 --> 03:49:33,800
I basically had in mind what I wanted to do and waited until NCIX

3104
03:49:33,800 --> 03:49:38,800
went to crap and immediately slid into Riley's DMs.

3105
03:49:39,800 --> 03:49:42,800
Who else could be Riley? Yeah, I rather agree.

3106
03:49:42,800 --> 03:49:48,800
Tell me that. Riley is a unique pearl that has been grown

3107
03:49:48,800 --> 03:49:51,800
from a unique piece of sand.

3108
03:49:54,800 --> 03:49:57,800
Do that again, Luke? I'm just saying how you get pearls.

3109
03:49:57,800 --> 03:50:00,800
So you had to crack NCIX open and just like...

3110
03:50:00,800 --> 03:50:02,800
Yeah, extract the one valuable thing.

3111
03:50:05,800 --> 03:50:09,800
No offense to some of my former colleagues. There were other pearls.

3112
03:50:10,800 --> 03:50:12,800
They were just a little misshapen.

3113
03:50:13,800 --> 03:50:16,800
Next. Hey, DLL, as an ignorant American,

3114
03:50:16,800 --> 03:50:22,800
you don't have to say ignorant. My knowledge of America's hat comes from media,

3115
03:50:22,800 --> 03:50:25,800
like Pure Ponage, Letter Kenny, Shorzy, and LTT.

3116
03:50:25,800 --> 03:50:28,800
What Canadian-made media would you recommend?

3117
03:50:28,800 --> 03:50:31,800
Wait, Pure Ponage is Canadian?

3118
03:50:31,800 --> 03:50:34,800
I think they were, yeah. We don't even know what's Canadian.

3119
03:50:35,800 --> 03:50:38,800
That's a whole thing. Just assume most of it's American.

3120
03:50:38,800 --> 03:50:41,800
I think friendship is magic is mostly Canadian.

3121
03:50:41,800 --> 03:50:43,800
Yeah, the production was local.

3122
03:50:44,800 --> 03:50:46,800
Riley did a voice in it once.

3123
03:50:47,800 --> 03:50:49,800
Oh, that would make sense why he did that.

3124
03:50:51,800 --> 03:50:54,800
He was saying red-green, yeah. Yeah, yeah, red-green.

3125
03:50:54,800 --> 03:50:57,800
Fred Penner? Probably a pretty dated show at this point.

3126
03:50:57,800 --> 03:50:59,800
I don't remember, I just feel like probably.

3127
03:51:00,800 --> 03:51:03,800
Does anybody know The Beach Comers? Is that it?

3128
03:51:03,800 --> 03:51:06,800
No. Yeah, some people. It might be an old thing.

3129
03:51:07,800 --> 03:51:10,800
Is it really Park Boys? Is it really Park Boys Canadians?

3130
03:51:10,800 --> 03:51:13,800
Yeah. What? You know that?

3131
03:51:13,800 --> 03:51:16,800
Yeah. That's sick. Oh, yeah, Stargate.

3132
03:51:16,800 --> 03:51:19,800
What's that? My aunt was on Stargate? Stargate!

3133
03:51:19,800 --> 03:51:22,800
Stargate's sick. What makes it Canadian, though? I don't know.

3134
03:51:22,800 --> 03:51:26,800
Everything's filmed in Canada. Yeah, but is it culturally Canadian, really?

3135
03:51:26,800 --> 03:51:28,800
What is Canadian culture?

3136
03:51:30,800 --> 03:51:33,800
That's a question right there.

3137
03:51:33,800 --> 03:51:35,800
I think that's hard to nail down

3138
03:51:36,800 --> 03:51:40,800
in this part of the country. I mean, they have the same issue in America.

3139
03:51:40,800 --> 03:51:43,800
You can drive like 200 miles in America and be like,

3140
03:51:43,800 --> 03:51:46,800
I'm still in Texas. Yeah. Well, no, no, I don't even mean that.

3141
03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:50,800
I mean, you can still be in Texas if you're in a completely different country.

3142
03:51:50,800 --> 03:51:53,800
Yeah. Like, and it's very much the same here.

3143
03:51:53,800 --> 03:51:57,800
Like, in the lower mainland, I will literally go play badminton,

3144
03:51:57,800 --> 03:52:01,800
and I'll be like, oh yeah, I'm the token white guy.

3145
03:52:01,800 --> 03:52:06,800
Yeah. And then I can drive like, you know, four hours to five hours to Vernon

3146
03:52:06,800 --> 03:52:10,800
or something like that. And Yvonne and I will walk down the street and you'll have people be like,

3147
03:52:10,800 --> 03:52:13,800
What the? Yeah. An Asian?

3148
03:52:13,800 --> 03:52:16,800
Yeah. You know, like kids. Same province.

3149
03:52:16,800 --> 03:52:20,800
Dude, when she was there for her practicum, like little kids would play better.

3150
03:52:20,800 --> 03:52:23,800
Little kids, dude. They don't know better.

3151
03:52:23,800 --> 03:52:27,800
They're going to do what they're going to do. They don't know better or anything, but it's just like,

3152
03:52:27,800 --> 03:52:31,800
I don't know what that is. I think you get more unique Canadian culture

3153
03:52:31,800 --> 03:52:35,800
the more East you go. Yeah, probably more unique.

3154
03:52:35,800 --> 03:52:39,800
Yeah. Vancouver is such a mixing pot.

3155
03:52:39,800 --> 03:52:42,800
Yeah. Not always the most mixed,

3156
03:52:42,800 --> 03:52:45,800
but all the ingredients are thrown in. Oh yeah.

3157
03:52:45,800 --> 03:52:49,800
They're all in there. Yeah. Like I often tell people that it's like

3158
03:52:49,800 --> 03:52:52,800
stupid for me to travel for food. Oh yeah.

3159
03:52:52,800 --> 03:52:56,800
Because like, dude. Food in Vancouver, you just got to pick the like, dude.

3160
03:52:56,800 --> 03:52:59,800
If you know what you want, there's a city that will have amazing versions of that.

3161
03:52:59,800 --> 03:53:02,800
Like it's always a joke to me when people are like, yeah, you have to like,

3162
03:53:02,800 --> 03:53:05,800
eat the raw fish in Japan. I'm sitting here going,

3163
03:53:05,800 --> 03:53:09,800
in the same fucking ocean, right? And there's like plenty of Japanese people here

3164
03:53:09,800 --> 03:53:12,800
to like cut up a fish for me if I really need, if that's really what I'm into.

3165
03:53:12,800 --> 03:53:15,800
Like I just, like what are you talking about?

3166
03:53:15,800 --> 03:53:18,800
Dude, man. Like Indian cuisine,

3167
03:53:18,800 --> 03:53:21,800
Asian cuisine. Amazing. Amazing.

3168
03:53:21,800 --> 03:53:24,800
Like all of it. Middle Eastern, we kind of lack,

3169
03:53:24,800 --> 03:53:27,800
and Mexican. I was going to say Mexican. Our Mexican food size.

3170
03:53:27,800 --> 03:53:30,800
I am very jealous of this. Where?

3171
03:53:30,800 --> 03:53:34,800
Tell me. Don't tell me now.

3172
03:53:34,800 --> 03:53:38,800
I'm not going to tell you now. What is he talking about? You're going to like where it's located as well.

3173
03:53:38,800 --> 03:53:41,800
Really? I've been getting sick of where we live for food,

3174
03:53:41,800 --> 03:53:44,800
so I've been trying to find them, mostly just for you.

3175
03:53:44,800 --> 03:53:47,800
There's, I really, really like Mexican food.

3176
03:53:47,800 --> 03:53:51,800
Yeah. Dude, you can go to any random hole in the wall in LA.

3177
03:53:51,800 --> 03:53:54,800
Oh, dude, it's amazing. And you'll get this like giant thing.

3178
03:53:54,800 --> 03:53:58,800
It'll be like $8, $9. Okay, I haven't been out in LA in a little while.

3179
03:53:58,800 --> 03:54:01,800
If it's up to me, and I'm in the States, practically anywhere in the States,

3180
03:54:01,800 --> 03:54:04,800
I will basically just eat Mexican food. Oh, yeah.

3181
03:54:04,800 --> 03:54:09,800
Because I know I'm not going to get it when I come back. 100%. It's like you get like an enchilada here,

3182
03:54:09,800 --> 03:54:13,800
and it's like this stupid wimpy little thing. You go down there, you order enchiladas,

3183
03:54:13,800 --> 03:54:17,800
and it's like a whole plate covered in delicious like sauce,

3184
03:54:17,800 --> 03:54:20,800
and there's like unlimited pico and a little thing. You go get it.

3185
03:54:20,800 --> 03:54:24,800
Dude, the pico? Oh.

3186
03:54:24,800 --> 03:54:28,800
Properly made pico, properly made guacamole.

3187
03:54:28,800 --> 03:54:32,800
Yeah, dog. Oh, man.

3188
03:54:32,800 --> 03:54:35,800
So good. So yeah, we're lacking that.

3189
03:54:35,800 --> 03:54:40,800
Yeah, yeah, we... And to be clear, I'm sure you can get good Mexican cuisine in Vancouver.

3190
03:54:40,800 --> 03:54:46,800
Probably down in Vancouver, yeah. But what we don't have is like a huge Mexican community here.

3191
03:54:46,800 --> 03:54:51,800
And so that's the difference, right? Like you can get good Indian cuisine

3192
03:54:51,800 --> 03:54:55,800
probably just about anywhere, but you guys don't have Surrey,

3193
03:54:55,800 --> 03:54:59,800
where like it's cheap,

3194
03:54:59,800 --> 03:55:02,800
and it's everywhere, and it's like super authentic.

3195
03:55:02,800 --> 03:55:06,800
If you just pick a random one, it's probably going to be very good.

3196
03:55:06,800 --> 03:55:09,800
I don't go to random ones anymore. I don't either.

3197
03:55:09,800 --> 03:55:12,800
I only go to Ustadji. Dude, Masala and Langley. No, man.

3198
03:55:12,800 --> 03:55:17,800
Ustadji. Ustadji. I will challenge you to like a curry hole showdown.

3199
03:55:17,800 --> 03:55:22,800
Wait, hold on. Probably would not be the best thing to say.

3200
03:55:22,800 --> 03:55:25,800
I met like a hole in the wall restaurant

3201
03:55:25,800 --> 03:55:29,800
that specializes in curry. I know a place.

3202
03:55:29,800 --> 03:55:30,800
I did it.

3203
03:55:40,800 --> 03:55:44,800
Was that intentional? You have to tell me. Was that intentional?

3204
03:55:44,800 --> 03:55:49,800
It doesn't look like it was intentional. I know when it's intentional with Linus.

3205
03:55:49,800 --> 03:55:52,800
Oh, god. A pair of you.

3206
03:55:52,800 --> 03:55:55,800
Oh, sure. I think I'm like watering hole.

3207
03:55:55,800 --> 03:55:58,800
I know. Slash hole in the wall. Yeah.

3208
03:55:58,800 --> 03:56:02,800
Exactly. That's not curry that comes out of that hole.

3209
03:56:02,800 --> 03:56:05,800
That is not a curry hole.

3210
03:56:05,800 --> 03:56:09,800
Oh, man. I had a really, my favorite one was in the middle of Surrey

3211
03:56:09,800 --> 03:56:12,800
and they closed down. They changed ownerships. What was it called?

3212
03:56:12,800 --> 03:56:15,800
I cannot remember. It wasn't taste of Punjab, was it? No.

3213
03:56:15,800 --> 03:56:18,800
No. This was like a long time ago. Because they're Ustadji now in their way.

3214
03:56:18,800 --> 03:56:21,800
It's like actually better. Ustadji. No, they changed management.

3215
03:56:21,800 --> 03:56:25,800
Ustadji. Ustadji. Dude, the owner is a G.

3216
03:56:25,800 --> 03:56:28,800
I am definitely. There's like the weirdest pictures of him.

3217
03:56:28,800 --> 03:56:32,800
I've been to a couple of their locations now. Wait, is that actually their branding?

3218
03:56:32,800 --> 03:56:35,800
Is it Ustadji76? Yeah.

3219
03:56:35,800 --> 03:56:38,800
Oh, no. Scroll down. Scroll down.

3220
03:56:38,800 --> 03:56:41,800
Dude, the central city location. Keep going. Keep going.

3221
03:56:41,800 --> 03:56:44,800
Keep going. The central city location. Yeah.

3222
03:56:44,800 --> 03:56:47,800
What a G. Oh, yeah. The central city location has artificial turf on the wall.

3223
03:56:47,800 --> 03:56:51,800
What? Why? I don't fucking know, but it also has fairy lights.

3224
03:56:51,800 --> 03:56:56,800
I love this, man. They had Mr. B. in cartoons on the TV when I went in.

3225
03:56:56,800 --> 03:56:59,800
Look at the way he poses in front of his restaurants.

3226
03:56:59,800 --> 03:57:02,800
This is sick. Their branding is so inconsistent,

3227
03:57:02,800 --> 03:57:05,800
and they don't seem to give any fucks. That means it's good.

3228
03:57:05,800 --> 03:57:09,800
Their garlic don is perfect. The food looks amazing.

3229
03:57:09,800 --> 03:57:14,800
The picture. Oh, that looks so good. Their garlic don is flawless, and unlike McDonald's,

3230
03:57:14,800 --> 03:57:17,800
the food looks like that. No way.

3231
03:57:17,800 --> 03:57:21,800
It looks exactly like that. I will defend. I still think Missal is great.

3232
03:57:21,800 --> 03:57:24,800
We'll do both. Let's do it. That looks so good.

3233
03:57:24,800 --> 03:57:27,800
They pulled food out of their kitchen, and they took these pictures.

3234
03:57:27,800 --> 03:57:30,800
I swear to God. That's amazing.

3235
03:57:30,800 --> 03:57:33,800
What is this road? It's Canada.

3236
03:57:33,800 --> 03:57:36,800
We have one. Seriously, dude.

3237
03:57:36,800 --> 03:57:39,800
I love their branding. What is it? What are they?

3238
03:57:39,800 --> 03:57:42,800
Are they supposed to be? Oh, they're milestones. They look like these.

3239
03:57:42,800 --> 03:57:45,800
Yeah, they're locations.

3240
03:57:45,800 --> 03:57:48,800
So I didn't become aware of them until they replaced the place

3241
03:57:48,800 --> 03:57:51,800
I liked to go in Surrey Central. Yeah, this website decides amazing.

3242
03:57:51,800 --> 03:57:54,800
Oh, yeah. Like, what font do you use?

3243
03:57:54,800 --> 03:57:58,800
Yes. Conrad, take notes.

3244
03:57:58,800 --> 03:58:01,800
Yeah, yeah.

3245
03:58:01,800 --> 03:58:04,800
Oh, apparently. Oh, okay. So that was a grand opening a while ago,

3246
03:58:04,800 --> 03:58:08,800
but apparently they're in Kamloops. So there you go. Anyway, you start G.

3247
03:58:08,800 --> 03:58:11,800
Does this site just scroll forever? What am I even looking at here?

3248
03:58:11,800 --> 03:58:15,800
It seems like this is their... Who is Buddy in the Jeans? Is this their Instagram?

3249
03:58:15,800 --> 03:58:18,800
Is this him? Yeah, I think that must be him.

3250
03:58:18,800 --> 03:58:21,800
That must be him. This is insane. Dude, it just never...

3251
03:58:21,800 --> 03:58:24,800
Incoming call. What is this?

3252
03:58:24,800 --> 03:58:27,800
They're videos. It's their food, yeah.

3253
03:58:27,800 --> 03:58:30,800
Dude. Okay. You start G.

3254
03:58:30,800 --> 03:58:33,800
We got to the end. Yeah. Anyway.

3255
03:58:33,800 --> 03:58:37,800
So yeah, I love Vancouver food.

3256
03:58:37,800 --> 03:58:41,800
Yeah, Vancouver food's great. Yeah. It's one of the best things this guy's got going for it.

3257
03:58:41,800 --> 03:58:44,800
Okay, like Chinese food. You can get everything from like,

3258
03:58:44,800 --> 03:58:47,800
like literal, like actual regional styles.

3259
03:58:47,800 --> 03:58:52,800
Yeah. Like Sichuan style, or like more like Hong Kong style,

3260
03:58:52,800 --> 03:58:56,800
like hot pot, Taiwanese style, you know, like you can get like, so like the China area,

3261
03:58:56,800 --> 03:59:01,800
you can get like different styles. And then you can also get like trashy American Chinese food.

3262
03:59:01,800 --> 03:59:06,800
You know, like you can get your sweet and sour pork and your oil drenched chow mein or whatever,

3263
03:59:06,800 --> 03:59:09,800
like its source. Yeah, it's great.

3264
03:59:09,800 --> 03:59:12,800
Okay, what are we supposed to be talking about?

3265
03:59:12,800 --> 03:59:17,800
I think we're done with that one. GLL, any way to vote on items,

3266
03:59:17,800 --> 03:59:22,800
we would like to see again in the store. I would love to see the black shorts again,

3267
03:59:22,800 --> 03:59:27,800
pre-orders or even Kickstarter style, where we need to reach a minimum order size.

3268
03:59:27,800 --> 03:59:30,800
Which black shorts, like the swimming trunks or the sweatshorts?

3269
03:59:30,800 --> 03:59:33,800
No, no, we had just like shorts. The sweatshorts, right? I think they were sweatshorts.

3270
03:59:33,800 --> 03:59:38,800
Yeah. I actually had a conversation with Nick earlier this week

3271
03:59:38,800 --> 03:59:41,800
about some of the ideas that we have

3272
03:59:41,800 --> 03:59:46,800
that we just don't know how feasible they are. Like we don't know what the order mix is going to look like

3273
03:59:46,800 --> 03:59:49,800
in terms of sizing. We don't know in terms of color.

3274
03:59:49,800 --> 03:59:52,800
Like is there the possibility of building our own kind of

3275
03:59:52,800 --> 03:59:57,800
Kickstarter style thing where we basically say, okay, yeah, like our MOQ for this is 2,000 units.

3276
03:59:57,800 --> 04:00:02,800
If 300 or 400 of you pre-order or 500,

3277
04:00:02,800 --> 04:00:06,800
like we set some threshold and we basically go, okay, yeah, here's where it's at right now.

3278
04:00:06,800 --> 04:00:10,800
Here's how close we think we are. Here's where we anticipate it will come out.

3279
04:00:10,800 --> 04:00:13,800
Are you down? Are you in? Yeah.

3280
04:00:13,800 --> 04:00:17,800
If you're going to anticipate when it would come out, you have to put a deadline.

3281
04:00:17,800 --> 04:00:20,800
Yeah. Yeah. And then we just refund if it doesn't make it.

3282
04:00:20,800 --> 04:00:23,800
Yeah. I think this person is describing a non-deadlined version, but yeah.

3283
04:00:23,800 --> 04:00:26,800
Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

3284
04:00:26,800 --> 04:00:30,800
It sounds like they're describing more of like a,

3285
04:00:30,800 --> 04:00:33,800
like a threshold for resurrecting older items.

3286
04:00:33,800 --> 04:00:37,800
We don't have anything right now, but there is the possibility that, yeah,

3287
04:00:37,800 --> 04:00:40,800
an Astrop style or Kickstarter style that we could,

3288
04:00:40,800 --> 04:00:43,800
we could either bring back high demand items or,

3289
04:00:43,800 --> 04:00:48,800
or do kind of edgier or kitschier stuff that,

3290
04:00:48,800 --> 04:00:50,800
that we're really not sure about.

3291
04:00:56,800 --> 04:00:59,800
Is Drop just like a keyboard company now? Oh, no, no, no.

3292
04:00:59,800 --> 04:01:02,800
No, we have this stuff. Don't forget about headphones. Yeah.

3293
04:01:04,800 --> 04:01:07,800
Pop Gear says, okay, but how long would I have to wait after order?

3294
04:01:07,800 --> 04:01:10,800
Will it be like backpacks, six plus months? Yes.

3295
04:01:10,800 --> 04:01:13,800
Yeah. Yeah. Production times are weeks or sometimes months.

3296
04:01:13,800 --> 04:01:17,800
Shipping is like a month. It just takes time at sampling.

3297
04:01:17,800 --> 04:01:20,800
They got it. Like someone has to like make it.

3298
04:01:20,800 --> 04:01:23,800
Like it's one off, you know, and then it has to be shipped.

3299
04:01:23,800 --> 04:01:26,800
And then we have to like schedule the meeting and then we have to evaluate it

3300
04:01:26,800 --> 04:01:30,800
and then we have to compile our feedback. We have to send it back and then they have to like make another one.

3301
04:01:30,800 --> 04:01:33,800
Like it's making products is,

3302
04:01:33,800 --> 04:01:37,800
I feel like a lot of media,

3303
04:01:37,800 --> 04:01:40,800
and I don't just mean tech media. I feel like a lot of media

3304
04:01:40,800 --> 04:01:43,800
would have a very different perspective

3305
04:01:43,800 --> 04:01:48,800
if they had actually created anything.

3306
04:01:48,800 --> 04:01:53,800
Yeah. A lot of critics create nothing.

3307
04:01:53,800 --> 04:01:56,800
And it's definitely given me a better perspective.

3308
04:01:58,800 --> 04:01:59,800
Yeah.

3309
04:02:01,800 --> 04:02:04,800
More? Yeah. Or not.

3310
04:02:04,800 --> 04:02:07,800
We could just sit here in silence. I mean, that's an option. Yeah.

3311
04:02:09,800 --> 04:02:13,800
So excited to meet Monitor Koon.

3312
04:02:13,800 --> 04:02:16,800
Why can product, what? I have no idea.

3313
04:02:16,800 --> 04:02:19,800
Why can products that are still being purchased

3314
04:02:19,800 --> 04:02:23,800
out of stock on the store? I'm going to give you another crack at this one.

3315
04:02:23,800 --> 04:02:27,800
Go ahead, Dan. Why can products that are still being produced

3316
04:02:27,800 --> 04:02:33,800
be out of stock on the store? Why not just send it when it's made after I ordered?

3317
04:02:33,800 --> 04:02:37,800
We are generally not that into taking back orders.

3318
04:02:37,800 --> 04:02:40,800
Because our lead times are so long

3319
04:02:40,800 --> 04:02:43,800
that we end up creating negativity

3320
04:02:43,800 --> 04:02:46,800
out of an attempt to provide a service,

3321
04:02:46,800 --> 04:02:48,800
which is the ability to back order.

3322
04:02:51,800 --> 04:02:55,800
We act more like a manufacturer.

3323
04:02:55,800 --> 04:03:00,800
It's not like we have a water bottle factory. I don't own a water bottle factory.

3324
04:03:00,800 --> 04:03:07,800
But we behave like a manufacturer in that we place large orders.

3325
04:03:07,800 --> 04:03:10,800
We have to figure out our mixes.

3326
04:03:10,800 --> 04:03:14,800
We have to warehouse them. We have to market them, sell them.

3327
04:03:14,800 --> 04:03:17,800
We're pretty vertically integrated for a lot of our product stuff,

3328
04:03:17,800 --> 04:03:21,800
which means that our ETAs are dependent on

3329
04:03:21,800 --> 04:03:24,800
manufacturing and global logistics.

3330
04:03:24,800 --> 04:03:29,800
They're not dependent on whether our supplier down the street has stock or our other supplier has stock.

3331
04:03:29,800 --> 04:03:33,800
There is no other supplier a lot of the time. We're working directly with factories.

3332
04:03:33,800 --> 04:03:36,800
So it takes as long as it takes.

3333
04:03:36,800 --> 04:03:39,800
And you end up creating a lot of work for yourself

3334
04:03:39,800 --> 04:03:42,800
because no matter how hard you try to disclaim

3335
04:03:42,800 --> 04:03:45,800
that this is going to be three months,

3336
04:03:45,800 --> 04:03:48,800
people will message you and be angry about it.

3337
04:03:48,800 --> 04:03:53,800
And then heaven forbid it lasts longer. We'd rather just take your money once we have something in stock

3338
04:03:53,800 --> 04:03:57,800
or at the very least once we know with a fair degree of certainty

3339
04:03:57,800 --> 04:04:01,800
when we're going to be getting it. We've made exceptions and honestly,

3340
04:04:01,800 --> 04:04:05,800
it's worked out okay sometimes, but not as well other times.

3341
04:04:05,800 --> 04:04:10,800
Word 97 guy in Philippine chat said, oh man, when I was working in the snow plow industry,

3342
04:04:10,800 --> 04:04:14,800
we spent a year developing the crate it ships in.

3343
04:04:14,800 --> 04:04:17,800
Yeah. Things take time.

3344
04:04:17,800 --> 04:04:22,800
When you start getting into engineering and development and whatnot, things take time.

3345
04:04:22,800 --> 04:04:25,800
And you'll think it'll take six months

3346
04:04:25,800 --> 04:04:31,800
and then in month five, you'll go, oh, there's a big problem

3347
04:04:31,800 --> 04:04:34,800
that we didn't foresee and now it requires re-engineering or whatever.

3348
04:04:34,800 --> 04:04:37,800
The whole ISO standard for the size of the bits and the size of the sockets,

3349
04:04:37,800 --> 04:04:41,800
realizing that the entire rest of the industry was doing it wrong and we had to decide,

3350
04:04:41,800 --> 04:04:45,800
do we go according to SPAC or do we go according to compatibility

3351
04:04:45,800 --> 04:04:49,800
with the rest of the ecosystem? Even just making that decision is going to take a lot of time.

3352
04:04:49,800 --> 04:04:55,800
How could we see that coming? This stuff happens all the time.

3353
04:04:55,800 --> 04:04:58,800
So, like, I don't know.

3354
04:04:58,800 --> 04:05:02,800
Times of five, four. Hello, Linus, Luke and Dan.

3355
04:05:02,800 --> 04:05:05,800
As big fan of Overcooked,

3356
04:05:05,800 --> 04:05:08,800
I was wondering if Linus had heard of the game Played Up.

3357
04:05:08,800 --> 04:05:11,800
It's pretty similar. It's also published by some of the YouTubers

3358
04:05:11,800 --> 04:05:14,800
called the Yogcast. Oh, really? Yogcast.

3359
04:05:14,800 --> 04:05:18,800
I have not heard of Played Up. I know Overcooked, I know Moving Out.

3360
04:05:18,800 --> 04:05:21,800
My kids really like Moving Out. I play Played Up.

3361
04:05:21,800 --> 04:05:24,800
Overwhelmingly positive reviews on the scene. It's phenomenal.

3362
04:05:24,800 --> 04:05:27,800
It's great if you're, like, screaming at your friends.

3363
04:05:27,800 --> 04:05:30,800
Yeah. Cool. So good.

3364
04:05:30,800 --> 04:05:36,800
After having Played Overcooked, I haven't craved more of that kind of gameplay, really, personally.

3365
04:05:36,800 --> 04:05:40,800
But, um, yeah.

3366
04:05:40,800 --> 04:05:44,800
I might be down to try it sometime. But I also, I don't know, man.

3367
04:05:44,800 --> 04:05:49,800
Like, I'm old. Like, when I have half an hour to hang out and play a game,

3368
04:05:49,800 --> 04:05:53,800
honestly, it's a lot easier and more comfortable for me to just flip on a game that I already know how to play.

3369
04:05:53,800 --> 04:05:56,800
Dude, yeah. That you don't need friends for.

3370
04:05:56,800 --> 04:05:59,800
Got him. I mean, like, you got to get a group of people together

3371
04:05:59,800 --> 04:06:01,800
at midnight, right? Not...

3372
04:06:03,800 --> 04:06:06,800
Wow. You got to burn me like that. We both get...

3373
04:06:06,800 --> 04:06:09,800
First, you want to invite me to your pool party.

3374
04:06:09,800 --> 04:06:12,800
Yeah. Okay. Rude.

3375
04:06:12,800 --> 04:06:14,800
You weren't invited in the first place.

3376
04:06:17,800 --> 04:06:20,800
Turned off. He's off. Bye, Dan.

3377
04:06:20,800 --> 04:06:23,800
Bye. I'm sorry. Okay, welcome back, Dan.

3378
04:06:23,800 --> 04:06:26,800
We need someone to read the merch messages. Okay.

3379
04:06:26,800 --> 04:06:29,800
I need somebody to come to my pool party.

3380
04:06:29,800 --> 04:06:32,800
Please. Hello, WAN. It's happening in the rain.

3381
04:06:32,800 --> 04:06:36,800
Yeah, I met you at the LAN party. Just splash around on the floor.

3382
04:06:36,800 --> 04:06:41,800
Hello, WAN.DLL. With iPhone and Pixel promising plus six years of software updates,

3383
04:06:41,800 --> 04:06:44,800
do you think that they will try and push newer devices harder

3384
04:06:44,800 --> 04:06:48,800
or increase the benefits of the new devices and exclude from old theirs?

3385
04:06:48,800 --> 04:06:51,800
I think they're absolutely going to try to differentiate the newer products.

3386
04:06:51,800 --> 04:06:54,800
But I think that six plus years of software updates

3387
04:06:54,800 --> 04:06:58,800
is less an action that they are taking

3388
04:06:58,800 --> 04:07:03,800
to extend the lifetime of these devices and more an acknowledgement that that is

3389
04:07:03,800 --> 04:07:07,800
and is becoming the product lifecycle for phones

3390
04:07:07,800 --> 04:07:11,800
and they better just get on board or they're going to be left behind

3391
04:07:11,800 --> 04:07:15,800
and there's going to be no one to sell a new phone, no one who wants anything to do with their brand

3392
04:07:15,800 --> 04:07:19,800
when their competitors are supporting the devices for longer.

3393
04:07:19,800 --> 04:07:23,800
I think this is a response. I don't think this is proactive, particularly on Google's side.

3394
04:07:23,800 --> 04:07:28,800
Apple seems to have slowly acknowledged this over time.

3395
04:07:28,800 --> 04:07:32,800
You go back to some of the very earlier iPhones, they didn't necessarily get this nice long support period,

3396
04:07:32,800 --> 04:07:36,800
but for the most part they do now because Apple recognizes that the value

3397
04:07:36,800 --> 04:07:39,800
is in building out the size of the install base.

3398
04:07:42,800 --> 04:07:45,800
My company recently got acquired

3399
04:07:45,800 --> 04:07:49,800
and the newer organization is nothing but egos.

3400
04:07:49,800 --> 04:07:52,800
But I love my team and all the coworkers.

3401
04:07:52,800 --> 04:07:57,800
How would you deal with new leadership causing problems due to the lack of confidence and big ego?

3402
04:08:05,800 --> 04:08:08,800
It's the same story, man. You hear it over and over again,

3403
04:08:08,800 --> 04:08:13,800
acquisitions like private equity,

3404
04:08:16,800 --> 04:08:20,800
I don't know. It's tough. I'm sorry.

3405
04:08:20,800 --> 04:08:24,800
We've never been in that scenario, honestly. Yeah. I mean, I've definitely had friends

3406
04:08:24,800 --> 04:08:27,800
that have talked to me about how the company changed

3407
04:08:27,800 --> 04:08:34,800
after they're acquired and stuff. I can't think of too many versions of the story

3408
04:08:34,800 --> 04:08:38,800
where it ends real good. They exist.

3409
04:08:38,800 --> 04:08:43,800
They do. But people that it usually ends up real good for

3410
04:08:44,800 --> 04:08:48,800
is not the individual workers. Oh, no, but that's what I meant.

3411
04:08:48,800 --> 04:08:51,800
I'm only counting the stories I've heard from individual workers.

3412
04:08:51,800 --> 04:08:57,800
I'm not counting the ownership. Ownership does great when a company gets acquired.

3413
04:08:59,800 --> 04:09:01,800
That's kind of how it works.

3414
04:09:02,800 --> 04:09:06,800
What happens when you run out of bad shafts for the scribe driver?

3415
04:09:06,800 --> 04:09:10,800
Will we just be getting a scribe driver with the primo-nerling instead?

3416
04:09:10,800 --> 04:09:14,800
No, the primo-nerling is too rough for the whole pin grip.

3417
04:09:14,800 --> 04:09:19,800
What if I buy a screwdriver and then cut off the head and then machine it myself?

3418
04:09:19,800 --> 04:09:23,800
Why don't you just machine a pin at that point? Extremely expensive scribe driver.

3419
04:09:23,800 --> 04:09:27,800
That's probably worse. I like this. Yes. We've talked about this.

3420
04:09:27,800 --> 04:09:31,800
I live my life by that, Luke. You knew me.

3421
04:09:31,800 --> 04:09:35,800
I had a surprise. That's somewhat what I'm referencing.

3422
04:09:35,800 --> 04:09:39,800
We are for my... Never mind.

3423
04:09:39,800 --> 04:09:42,800
We have lots of supply of shafts.

3424
04:09:42,800 --> 04:09:48,800
What is it, four tons? This is not a concern for the time being.

3425
04:09:48,800 --> 04:09:52,800
We have a lot of shafts. However...

3426
04:09:52,800 --> 04:09:56,800
We're not concerned about not having enough shafts? We...

3427
04:09:56,800 --> 04:10:00,800
It's okay. Look, it's bad shaft. You're not missing anything.

3428
04:10:00,800 --> 04:10:02,800
It's rough.

3429
04:10:04,800 --> 04:10:06,800
Technically, it's ribbed.

3430
04:10:07,800 --> 04:10:11,800
Technically, it's knurled. I think that's worse.

3431
04:10:11,800 --> 04:10:16,800
Anyway, the point is we've got lots, but we have talked about this and we would consider

3432
04:10:16,800 --> 04:10:20,800
making a scribe driver from scratch, but I don't know.

3433
04:10:20,800 --> 04:10:24,800
We're years away from having that conversation. I think we've got plenty of scribe drivers.

3434
04:10:24,800 --> 04:10:26,800
You should take the...

3435
04:10:27,800 --> 04:10:32,800
You should take the branding from Nintendo, the new with the multi-colored things coming out of the new.

3436
04:10:32,800 --> 04:10:36,800
Do you know what I'm talking about? New Nintendo 3DS?

3437
04:10:36,800 --> 04:10:40,800
Yeah, new scribe driver. New scribe driver.

3438
04:10:40,800 --> 04:10:44,800
What's new about it? Technically nothing,

3439
04:10:44,800 --> 04:10:48,800
but it's made from new things? I don't know.

3440
04:10:48,800 --> 04:10:52,800
Yeah, a scribe driver. We'll keep mining for shafts.

3441
04:10:52,800 --> 04:10:56,800
Mine shaft. Shaft mine, shaft mine, shaft.

3442
04:10:56,800 --> 04:11:00,800
I don't know. There's plenty in the hill of shafts.

3443
04:11:00,800 --> 04:11:04,800
Shaft hill. Mountain?

3444
04:11:04,800 --> 04:11:08,800
Broken shaft mountain. That's a great movie.

3445
04:11:08,800 --> 04:11:12,800
Shaft mountain. Classic.

3446
04:11:12,800 --> 04:11:16,800
Hi Linus, Luke and Dan. This is the last one I got for you.

3447
04:11:16,800 --> 04:11:20,800
I was wondering if you think there is a chance that TSMC

3448
04:11:20,800 --> 04:11:24,800
will be broken up as a monopoly. Monopoly.

3449
04:11:24,800 --> 04:11:28,800
Particularly if Intel were to pull out of the fabrication space and focus on research and development.

3450
04:11:28,800 --> 04:11:32,800
So when you break up a company, you are breaking it up into

3451
04:11:32,800 --> 04:11:36,800
it's like an antitrust thing, right? You're breaking it up so that it cannot

3452
04:11:36,800 --> 04:11:40,800
utilize its advantage in one area

3453
04:11:40,800 --> 04:11:44,800
to give it an unfair advantage in another area.

3454
04:11:44,800 --> 04:11:48,800
TSMC, for the most part, just does one thing.

3455
04:11:48,800 --> 04:11:52,800
You can't break up TSMC.

3456
04:11:52,800 --> 04:11:56,800
Oh, hold on. It's so integrated.

3457
04:11:56,800 --> 04:12:00,800
I was going to say you could demand that there are TSMD and like tool development

3458
04:12:00,800 --> 04:12:04,800
breaks off from their pure manufacturing, but

3459
04:12:04,800 --> 04:12:08,800
in silicon, they're so

3460
04:12:08,800 --> 04:12:12,800
parallel and they're so integrated. I don't see how you could ever...

3461
04:12:12,800 --> 04:12:16,800
I also think that would quite genuinely be directly against the interests of the governments

3462
04:12:16,800 --> 04:12:20,800
involved. The government of

3463
04:12:20,800 --> 04:12:24,800
Taiwan is like not going to be interested in that.

3464
04:12:24,800 --> 04:12:28,800
And I don't care which one you ask, like the more pro-freedom

3465
04:12:28,800 --> 04:12:32,800
government that is currently in power or a more pro-China

3466
04:12:32,800 --> 04:12:36,800
government that if they were ever to manage to win somehow,

3467
04:12:36,800 --> 04:12:40,800
none of them would be interested at all

3468
04:12:40,800 --> 04:12:44,800
in disrupting TSMC's

3469
04:12:44,800 --> 04:12:48,800
current, just like March

3470
04:12:48,800 --> 04:12:52,800
to complete global semiconductor domination here.

3471
04:12:56,800 --> 04:13:00,800
Yeah, they're not going to disrupt that. That would be

3472
04:13:00,800 --> 04:13:02,800
unwise on like so many different levels.

3473
04:13:04,800 --> 04:13:08,800
That's it. Thank you so much for tuning into the land show.

3474
04:13:08,800 --> 04:13:12,800
Yeah. We're going to see you guys again next week. Yeah. Same bad time?

3475
04:13:12,800 --> 04:13:16,800
Same bad channel? Yeah. Bye!

3476
04:13:26,800 --> 04:13:28,800
Thanks for watching!