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It's a classic hustle, as old as time itself.

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The scammer stakes out a parking lot, often at an electronics retailer, and then waits for their victim.

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In this case, an LTT viewer from Florida.

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Next comes the story. The details vary, but the structure is usually pretty similar.

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Hey, we kind of over-respect for this super rich client guy, and we bought too many speakers,

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and now our boss is saying to just get rid of him because it'd be too expensive to keep him around,

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thinking I could give him to you for a pretty good price.

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They're legit. The victim is suspicious, but, I mean, they look alright, and who doesn't want a great deal?

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There's just one small problem. They sound like ass!

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But our victim did all of his basic due diligence.

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So how did this happen? To find out, we offered to help a brother out by buying the speakers off of him at the price that we paid

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so we can blow the freaking lid off of this thing.

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Because, as it turns out, this classic scam has learned a lot of new tricks that could bamboozle even a fairly savvy shopper.

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We're going to show you exactly how it works, show you how to avoid it,

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and we're going to dive into the surprisingly organized network of shady retailers and manufacturers who enable these fraudsters.

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That is, assuming that I haven't been scammed myself by Dr. Erad here.

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I don't know for sure that there are even speakers in here. I mean, it could be packed with anything.

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It could be packed with something nobody wants, like this segway, to our sponsor.

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From five, six feet away, not going to lie, this is pretty darn convincing looking.

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I mean, even the branding, if you told me that Elysian Audio was a thing, I'd be like,

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okay, with that said, it's not that hard to make up a fancy sounding brand.

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For example, Calise, Ceboire, Estee.

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Those sound like luxury brands, but as it turns out, they're just French-Canadian curse words.

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The real trick that these guys pull though is repurposing real names from reputable brands that are in a similar product category.

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Elysian is a particularly tricky one because it is the name of a well-regarded line of speakers from real manufacturer Warfdale.

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It just isn't these.

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What this allows our scam speakers to do is sit alongside reputable speakers in Google searches

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without our scammers having to create a super convincing knockoff of an exact product.

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We'll talk more about the online strategy later though. For now, let's take a closer look at what we bought and see if we can catch any hints on the packaging itself.

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Well, here's one that stands out to me. You can't have Adam a single speaker system that can do 9.1, 7.2, and 5.1 sound.

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Yeah, 7.2 is kind of a crazy one. You can downmix, but also it's six pieces.

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So that's 1, 2, 3, that's five. That's 5.1.

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But that has ten pieces on the box.

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I think these are single speakers and they turn, but I still don't think that makes it 7.1.

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But that also definitely doesn't make it 5.1.

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Yeah, I don't really know. I'm thinking that maybe how they market soundbars these days or letting them get away with it.

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Because you buy a soundbar and it says like 11.1.1 or whatever.

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Personally, I prefer audio return channel to giant wooden boat full of animals.

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And you know what else seems legit? It's industrial grade certified for outdoor use.

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Yeah, you can even wireless connect. And there's more stuff like that. Active voice amp, singles out dialogue.

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That sounds legit. Hi-res audio signal, wait, via internet.

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Okay, sorry, that wasn't what.

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Whether the details are on purpose or not, I feel like the giant blocks of text are a huge part of the strategy.

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Because who's going to read all of that? Yeah, right?

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And even, this is such a shallow thing.

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Even something as simple as having foil on the packaging makes it look more premium.

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It is interesting what details they do get, correct?

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Like I was not going to expect that they'd have their own custom straps.

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Yeah, right? That makes it seem more legit.

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And tape, the tape even says Elysian on it.

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It's reassuring. These make it think, it makes it look heavy.

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Oh yeah, is it heavy? Ah, I mean it's got a bit of weight to it.

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I guess. For six or nine or eleven drivers though.

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And like look at how they've scaled the subwoofer in this picture on the front.

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To me, it doesn't look like there would be enough space for five other speakers and the subwoofer in here.

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Right. That subwoofer is not very big, is it?

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No, I don't think any of this is very big at all. They even have disclaimers on the box.

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Like, why would a scammer who's trying to convince you that it's the best thing ever

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have to have a disclaimer about, you know, the images and model number being subject to change?

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Oh, this is a really important part of the scam though.

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MSRP, $3,000.

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While printed pricing on the box is common for some products, for speakers, it's highly unusual.

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Even more so for high-end audio where the speakers are typically sold through approved dealer networks

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with a, if you have to ask, you can't afford it, approach to pricing.

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Sorry, did you see this? Wall-mountable stethoscope symbol.

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Okay, we could probably do this all day.

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So then, what do these guys say when you go, well, I've never heard of a lease in audio

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or you point out some of the weirdness on the box? Well, they have an answer for all of that.

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They might say something like, oh yeah, they're a boutique brand from overseas, huge in Italy.

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And, you know, these are sold by high-end audio installers, so the packaging isn't really meant for retail,

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so they don't pay too much attention to it. And when you ask, well, how can you be selling it so cheap if it's so boutique and so high-end?

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You'll usually get some kind of variant of...

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Well, you gotta understand, they mark these things up like crazy because all the rich people are buying them.

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We buy them wholesale. These aren't even close to $3,000.

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They're more like, maybe a grand? So you're not even losing that much selling it to me then?

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No. I'm practically talking myself into it.

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And that really is the most devious kind of lie, the kind that is built on a kernel of truth.

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High-end audio does have obscene markups, and it does rely on a network of approved dealers and installers

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who do deal in brands that the typical consumer has never heard of.

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And the scammers will go to sometimes great lengths to match the image of a legitimate installer.

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They'll rent a nice-looking van, they'll wear polo shirts with matching company logos,

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and they'll even obtain real business licenses and phone numbers.

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Which they'll be happy to show you since they aren't gonna exist in a week.

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So, okay, you're still a little suspicious.

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So you decide to scan the QR code on the box and check out the manufacturer,

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because some guy in a parking lot could lie to you, but the manufacturer couldn't.

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They've never done that. And that is where this classic ruse glows up for the 21st century.

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That looks pretty legit, honestly.

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Here's the one that they're offering me, the Smart Series Model 2.

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The satellite speakers have a 12-inch subwoofer.

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Yeah, that's wrong. They also have a QLED.

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Yeah. For those of you who don't know, it's display technology.

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Not anything to do with your sound.

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But here's some reviews. The best product I've bought since buying my first CD player as a teen.

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I mean, that sounds reasonably credible. The problem I have with this product is my husband not wanting to leave the house.

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That's a very good hook. Quotes that sound too good are a classic tell for fake reviews.

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That's why on LTT Store, we leave people's unedited reviews up on the site.

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Like for the RGB T-shirt that I'm wearing that's rated 4.62 out of 5.

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I don't like the RGB shirts because of the rough itchy feel against my skin.

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See? Not everyone loves them. Oh, this is smart.

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Where to buy slash store locator, shut up.

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It's just a link to Best Buy. And the Elysian Model 2s that we covered today are just one example of this.

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These same units can be found under other names like MRX, Valencia VX300 Home Theater,

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or Synchrony B600, all of which were stolen from legitimate home theater companies.

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MRX is aligned from Anthem, Synchrony is aligned by PSB,

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and Valencia is the brand of seeding that I use in my theater room at home.

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And making this whole web of lies more confusing is the entire network of fake review websites

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that you will often find linked from these manufacturers.

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And while Elysian doesn't specifically link to those,

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when you Google search Elysian Audio Home Theater Review, the featured snippet is from one of those scam review sites.

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WeReviewElectronics.com, 10 out of 10.

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And to make things worse, the Gemini summary underneath

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gives information that is correct if you are looking for Warfdale Elysian speakers,

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but just serves to add to the legitimacy of the snippet.

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Unfortunately, thanks to the power of AI,

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I'm a CEO in a porcelain spa. Yes, yes, yes, that's me.

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Building sites and writing convincing enough reviews has become both cheap and super easy.

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In just a couple of weeks that we've been working on this video, we've seen several of these networks of sites pop up and disappear

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or switch over to new product categories.

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And you're not going to have the kind of time that we have to go through all of this.

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Before you get a chance to ask too many questions, they're going to start putting formal pressure on you.

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Hey, look, security, they're going to kick us out here, you know, and I got to get back to work.

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My next client, he's a dog podiatrist, and if he can't clip the nails without the background music,

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and you don't want the dogs to suffer, do you? No.

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So, do you want them or not?

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So, you go to the nearest ATM, which they conveniently have perfect directions for,

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and you buy them. I mean, hey, even if they're not actually top of the line,

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they're brand new. They can't be that bad, right?

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Right? They even got like a piece, oh, I thought that was printing on the styrofoam.

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Even the documentation, it comes in a little bag.

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Are you not supposed to figure out it's a scam until you actually plug them in?

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Like, even the packaging itself is pretty convincing.

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Yeah, I mean, the longer they have before you realize that you screwed them over,

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the further away they can get, right? Oh, boy.

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They're so small. Also, didn't they say wireless satellite speakers?

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Yes. Oh, no, that was wireless satellite speaker subwoofer, right?

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Can I open this or do you want to leave it mint for resale?

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Shut up. I'm impressed they have removable drills, though.

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I'm surprised they didn't keep them on. Look at all the glue.

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That's how they seal in the goodness.

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This is the single cheapest-feeling HDMI cable that I have ever encountered.

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Does that even seem like it has enough girth for all the conductors?

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HDMI 0.5.

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Okay, let's get the center channel.

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What happened in here? Look, it's all scratched up.

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Oh, wow. You can just see straight into it.

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Look, you can see wires in the back. Also, this is the worst wall-mounting mechanism I think I've ever seen.

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You have to fix the location of the speaker from the back,

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then screw it into the wall.

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No more adjustment for you. I wonder if everyone is in on it.

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Like, do you think the manufacturer of these knows that they're a scam?

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They must be. There's no reason to make this junk unless you're trying to rip people off, right?

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Well, I mean, if they sold it at the actual price of it, then it's not really a rip-off.

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I mean, the subwoofer is actually a pretty decent size.

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Is that actually all of the speakers? All of the speakers fit into the top third.

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That answers the mystery of whether it's 5.1 or 7.2 or 9.1.

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At this point, I'm thinking it's stereo.

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It really does raise the question, though.

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If they know it's a scam, why bother making them work at all?

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Do you think they're just not going to work? They clearly have drivers in them.

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They clearly have wiring in them. I mean, I guess maybe it's like, you can keep scamming down the chain.

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Also, some people just don't know better. Some people might have their crap TV, and that's all the audio that they knew,

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and then they decided to splurge or get a Christmas gift.

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And this works, right? It starts playing and maybe it is just louder.

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Are we 100% sure it's not a computer?

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Dude, you got Adele. There's peels on the stickers, but the stickers themselves are just paper stickers.

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What a weird attention to detail.

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I guess the sticker approach to branding makes it pretty easy for them

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to have all those different names for it. Oh, wow.

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Oh, buddy, this is going to suck.

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That's not 12 inches.

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I told my wife that's 12 inches. Yeah, she didn't believe you either.

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I mean, this is 12 inches. Yeah, I was going to say this is like something,

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but what a scam to put the speaker cover and make it way bigger than the driver.

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Let's plug it in. Wait, where's the amp?

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It isn't a home theater in a box.

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There's no amp. We did get an AV receiver. Well, how can it be Bluetooth anything?

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Is there any cables? There's no cables? Dude, it's way more bulls*** than even we thought.

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I should have opened this. How can you have 2600 watts when you don't have an amp at all?

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There's no 5.8G. I even knew I was getting scammed, and I still feel ripped off.

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Well, I guess we did an AV receiver and a bunch of speaker wire.

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BRB.

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What are the odds that you think that this one won't even turn on?

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That it's only going to power the top? I think it'll power both of them.

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Want a bit? No. We might be the first people who have bought these and actually bothered to set them all the way up.

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You know? Is this big fat speaker wire even going to fit in the back of these?

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No, we got too high of a gauge. I feel like when you don't buy cheap enough stuff.

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Okay, theoretically we have ARC, so...

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Okay, that's progress. If I didn't make any noise, we'll get to that later.

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Andrew, what are you doing? You know, you're struggling with the whole had a clamp in place thing, so...

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This is how we're mounting the speaker. Adam, you were right.

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The top is a speaker and the bottom is not.

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That's pathetic. I popped out the speaker.

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Quote-unquote speaker. It's just a metal plate and you can see the back of the driver in there.

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Again, why bother? Just glue in the speaker grill. Yeah, just put a cosmetic grill on it and don't even bother with the paper cone.

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I've encountered this kind of thing before where it's like, remember those fake GPUs?

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Yeah. Where they put a bunch of work into designing a cooler and a shroud and doing injection molding

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and why bother? Why not just ship a piece of paper?

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I mean, if somebody knows, please let us know in the comments.

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Or maybe we're just helping them do their scam better. They have mounting points for if you want to do a metal plate.

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I'll help you do two. These ones are just stickers though.

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They are. Credit where credit's due. They cheaped out there and that was pretty smart.

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Why would you angle the whole speaker? We can just do this.

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Because they're surrounds. They go on this side of... Okay.

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Here we go. Oh, is this right side up?

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Oh, it's upside down. Okay. I mean, who can tell anyway, right?

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They're so small. I know. They look like little lab tech desktop computer speakers from the 90s.

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See now, I unboxed these an hour ago.

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So I knew better than to have high expectations. But somehow all the work that I had put into getting it working made me feel like, yeah,

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it should be... We like earned a payoff. Yeah.

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This part sounds okay. This is...

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Oh my God. Okay. Hold on.

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Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

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Okay. They're better.

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They're deeper. Yeah.

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By like a country mile. Admittedly, it was a pretty nice TV.

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Okay. It's a high-sense canvas. Yeah.

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High-end TV. Pretty decent TV. But still.

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There are like $99 sound bars on the market from legitimate brands that sound better.

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That include an amplifier and actually have Bluetooth.

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Yeah. It's insulting. It's bad.

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I really want to hear this subwoofer. We've got to get this operational.

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The subwoofer is a pre-out. It expects an amplified subwoofer, obviously.

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Yeah. Where the hell are we going to find an amp for that right now?

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We have an SVS. Well, no, no. I want to use this subwoofer.

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An amp that we can... No, an amp that we can shove in the middle. Oh my God.

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Oh, this is so stupid. Reese, you might have to go look for...

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Maybe you're going to be on a hunt. You know what?

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I think it'd be faster to just plug one of these in.

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Let's find out if the subwoofer actually even works before we put a bunch more work into

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trying to amplify it.

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Okay. It works.

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It does sound bad. Yeah.

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But it's so much better than I expected.

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It's just a volume game, right? Like this is like what, a five-inch driver maybe?

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Four. Maybe five. That's a big four.

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That's what I tell my life I have.

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We got all the speakers working and now I brought a couple of friends here.

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To enjoy them. But first we're going to set ourselves a bass line.

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We're going to listen to the Hisense Canvas TV.

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Is this known for having a good TV speaker? No.

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Fantastic. I just, you know, but like you think you're buying the home theater.

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You got to hear what you're upgrading. You're right. You're right.

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You know what? For TV speakers, that's not bad. It's not bad.

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No bass. Yeah, but it's a TV speaker.

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It's a little bit bright, but not bad. It would be fine for dialogue.

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Like for people that are just watching TV shows and need to hear what people say.

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It's fine. Okay. It's fine.

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Now we're going to pull up the Elysian model too.

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Okay. The funny thing is that so we couldn't get the subwoofer running because it's supposed

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to be a passive, it's a passive subwoofer, which doesn't really exist nowadays.

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Everything, all yours. So we had to, what we did is that we got, we pulled out of another subwoofer, the amp.

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That was the only way we could get it powered because we didn't find an AV receiver that

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had a passive. Okay. That is so unbalanced.

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Believe it or not, these speakers, these speakers here aren't very big.

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You don't say. And so there's kind of a big dip in the mids.

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Yeah. It's weird that they look so much like the Bose Acoustamatic speakers.

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I bought a pair. I used pair in like 2008.

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That makes sense because a lot of what they're trying to do is associate themselves with

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as many ideas of like goodness as possible.

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How much did you pay for this? I paid $500.

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Even that price is ridiculously busted.

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Hang on, did we pay him that much to get them? We paid the guy back.

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So we got scammed is what you're saying. We took the scam, we said double it and pass it to the next one.

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We're going to sell for a thousand bucks. 500 bucks, you can get like a pretty okay home theater in a box for Best Buy.

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You can get like a decent soundbar. It's not like a really decent soundbar.

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It's not the best value in the whole world, but it's infinitely better than this.

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Don't buy speakers for my guy in a parking lot. On Alibaba, when you search 5.1 Home Theater,

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a system much like the one that we purchased will show up in the first two rows of results.

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$128 is set. And here's the really crazy thing.

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If you order enough of them, the deal only gets better.

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For the shockingly low price of $56,500,

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you can get 500 home theater setups complete with a custom fake logo and box design.

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And that might be a lot for a single scammer, but if you're a shady supplier, you order in bulk and then sell them off a pallet at a time

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to your scummy friends for maybe a couple hundred bucks a pop to cover your storage and shipping costs.

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And then everyone else, well, they just have to sell them for more than $200,

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which when you're talking about a luxury 5.1 Home Theater system,

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that's probably not that hard to do. And by probably, I mean definitely.

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I mean it obviously works because when you dig into it,

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you find these scams everywhere, both in person and on online marketplaces like Facebook and eBay.

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And it's not just speakers. It's across a variety of product categories, notably projectors and soundbars.

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Bottom line is if you've been scammed, I know it can be really embarrassing.

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He knows it can be embarrassing, but please report it.

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70% of victims never report the scams that they're victims of.

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And if you don't report it, well, that just lets them win.

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Lastly, even when you do report the scams, only 4% of victims are estimated to recover their losses.

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But by talking about it, we can at least help prevent future losses.

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So send this video to your family members. Have open, honest conversations about security.

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