Okay, why does this keep going? Get out of the way, buddy.
Uh, sure. Perfect.
It'll settle. It'll settle, right? Yeah. All right.
How you doing? How you doing, chat?
I may have been late. However, let the record show.
That when I did arrive on set, they weren't ready.
Luke's audio was messed up. Got him.
That wasn't my fault.
But that wasn't a denial.
Uh, yeah, you're right. But that has literally nothing to do with the competition,
so that's fine. Oh, man, you do sound really weird.
Do I? Yeah, I can't tell what it is.
What mic or did you end up using?
I'm running, uh, studio voice on NVIDIA broadcast.
It sounds like you're saying like, I bet it did.
Like his, his fans are running at 100%. If you want to disable it and hear what you actually sound like, Luke.
Oh, sure. When I do that, though, the fans will tone down.
It will just take a bit. So when I first turn it off, you'll hear the fans.
But I do that, though. But I do that.
Oh, wow. Okay, talk again then.
Testing, testing. But you got to wait for the fans to calm down.
Oh, are you on your laptops like webcam mic?
No. Why is there so much echo?
Uh, well, there's no echo removal running right now.
That's probably why. Yeah, but that it, it sounds like a webcam mic.
Like it sounds like, uh, like a tiny.
It is currently a webcam mic. Apparently Dan doesn't like the AirPods.
So I don't know. Oh, well, no, we were having an issue before.
You could try the AirPods if you want. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not coming in here trying to change everything.
I don't want to change anything. I think you are. No, no, no.
I think you're a big meanie. No, no, no, no.
I don't want to change anything. Big meanie. I don't want to change anything.
Uh, here's the.
The AirPods. We'll see how that goes.
Wow. It's so much worse.
You know what? We can't even hear you now. Yeah, I bet you, um, I bet your noise cancellation mics are,
uh, jammed with cred. Cause my active noise cancellation wasn't working very well.
And I followed Apple's instructions sort of, I followed part of Apple's instructions for how to like de-guncify them.
And they then got way better.
So I think, I think it's probably your goo.
When I, when I call people with these, they sound fine.
So I don't really know. Like I take calls with these all the time.
So I don't know what's going on. Yeah. All right.
You should definitely turn the NVIDIA stuff back on. Yes, please. Well, what if I just do.
What this? How does this sound? Yeah, that sounds like you have noise suppression enabled.
I got that little bit. Is that the same or equal to the studio voice thing?
Uh, I would say the background removal is, is as good.
And that's okay. Is, is better this way.
So yeah, you sound okay.
You sound acceptable. Yeah.
Okay. All right. It cancels your laugh though.
Which makes sense. That does kind of make sense actually.
I am not bullying. What are you people even talking about?
He's bullying. He's definitely bullying. If I was bullying, if I was bullying Luke,
you'd know cause he'd be crying.
Oh, I don't know about that. Oh, how long does that delay?
Yikes. Yeah, I guess.
I am pretty far away. Yeah.
That's a, that's definitely a yikes.
It did take me like a day and a half to get here.
His delay is, it's my round trip.
There is it.
Yeah, there, John Paul Hutch is right. You look tired, dude.
I am tired. You look tired.
I find, I find the time zone shifting from West coast to East
coast be really weird. I find it easier to go to like Asia or Europe or something.
I'm doing the NVIDIA broadcast eye thing and it's so weird.
Oh, I don't, I don't like that.
Are you making eyes at me? Cause uh,
it looks so weird, dude.
I don't know. Stop it.
What animation style does this remind me of?
Like Elvin the chipmunks?
It's so like slightly off-putting.
Oh man. I know I am tired.
Cause like in, in, in our time zone, I woke up at what?
Like, um, like four in the morning today.
So yeah, I don't know. Okay.
So he was too quiet. Now he's too,
I'll split the difference with 92%.
That's probably better. Oh my goodness.
It's like, it's like glittering your eyes around yet.
Can you make, can you make them bigger?
It's so weird to watch. Especially when I know that my eyes aren't moving.
Oh my goodness. That's so weird.
That's super creepy, dude.
That's super creepy.
Oh, someone says merge message is not working. Oh, I didn't push the button because of all the problems.
There we go.
I'll turn it off. Okay. Gdub says we pay for this abuse.
No man, you should totally keep it on. You should keep it on and wait and see if,
wait, did that, did you just turn off some color correction as well?
No. It's very yellow. It changed.
I could have sworn it changed from like blue to yellow a second ago.
Put the eye thing back on. I'm going to turn the eye contact back on and we'll see what happens.
You have dead eyes. Yucky. 100% dead eyes.
Did that change the color correction? No. No, I must have imagined it.
Oh, no, blue says it did change, but probably is an auto correction.
Instantly look drunk.
Oh man. I feel like you are staring into my soul.
Maybe I am, huh? It is so yucky.
You don't know, dude.
What is white? What if I do this? That looks white.
Oh, wow. That's horrible. That's an actual video effect.
They actually did that. Why is the audio crackling now?
He's probably doing too much on his computer. That makes sense.
That is very likely. Okay.
No, that's a fur. I'm fine. I don't have anything to drink.
Just a couple of glasses of dinner with my wine.
Says clapped. K-I-K-24 cord.
Yeah, sorry. I turned on virtual key light. I hadn't scrolled down far enough to see that it says that it takes like tons of GPU power.
All right, should we do this thing? This is a bit of an older laptop at this point. Yeah, I mean, might as well give it a go.
Yeah, do you actually want me to leave the eye contact thing on?
I don't know. It might be a little funny. People hate it.
Oh, yeah, I hate it. People hate it. I hate it too, but it's like, yeah, it's so weird.
It reminds me of some of the like kind of like AI looking Mr. B stumbinails, you know?
Like it just doesn't seem quite right. I wish you could make them larger.
Yeah, we could pull it. Okay. It's up to you, Floatplane chat.
We're going to pull it.
Just through typing, I think they already voted no.
No, no, no. Let them vote. Let them vote.
Let them vote. Let them vote.
Did you make a poll? Do you want me to? I don't know how to pull.
Okay. Nice.
Oh, wait. That's right. It's on the pages.
I was going to say it's so simple. He just like refuses to remember.
Well, it's because I don't have the... It's because I don't have the...
Just like refuses to remember. Yeah.
It's because I don't have the... Just like refuses to remember.
Yeah. Just like refuses to remember.
I don't know why that's coming through automatically because
I don't know why that's coming through automatically. It's going through to see anyway, I don't normally have going through to see.
Up here. Oh, Luke's in the way.
Up here. Oh, Luke's in the way. Oh, my God.
Are you doing this on purpose? No, actually. I don't know why this is happening.
It's coming through on Luke. And obviously, Luke can't hear us, but I don't know why.
Maybe because it's on B. Let's try that.
Rush B. Wait for that to die down.
We can't hear you, Luke. I know. I'm telling him not you.
I don't know if he can even hear us.
I don't know why that's coming through now. This doesn't make any sense.
Luke, what did you do?
I blame Luke. I also blame Luke.
Okay, let's see what happens.
I'm going to turn Luke back on. I'm going to turn.
Oh, I'm upset now.
Now I'm upset. Now I'm angry.
What the hell did you do?
Did Luke change something? Did you change anything, Luke?
No. I don't believe in that shifty-eyed motherfucker.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
You can't trust someone if I was like that. It's my fault.
Because I opened a Floatplane and it wasn't muted.
That very rarely happens. Okay.
I think. So, Luke, we can hear you now again, I believe.
Okay. There we go.
It's funny because it started happening right when I screen-shared,
so I actually thought it was me. Yeah, we simultaneously opened a Floatplane.
Nice. Which is why. Right, because you were trying to create this poll.
Exactly. I think that I can't show it to anybody because Luke is in the way.
What? People are voting yes? Wow.
You should have a call button on your streamer. Of course they're voting yes.
Because the YouTube audience won't be in on it.
They think that's funny.
So you think I just went to Florida and just took like tons of drugs.
They have drugs in Florida. I'm not sure they do.
That's plausible. There's so much.
There's so much. There's so much. Honestly, it does.
They have a warm water port.
All right. Well, it seems to be settled.
Okay. To keep sure of anything.
Sure. Why not?
Dan, it's doing it again. Sure.
Why not? No, he's not going to believe that.
Yeah. Sorry about that.
Okay. All right. Are we doing this thing?
Oh my God. You look so weird. Sure.
Oh. Oh, yeah. I mean, it can't get any worse.
Yeah. I mean, I think it's getting worse.
Oh, man. Okay.
Okay.
All right.
What is happening with his face?
Oh, man. Okay. Are we doing this thing?
Let's do this thing.
Don't tell me his audio is broken.
What? You can't hear me? Okay.
Can you not hear him?
Can you hear me or?
Hello? No, I can hear him now. What?
Okay. I can't hear Dan if Dan's talking.
Chat says Dan's mic is off.
Oh God. Now I can hear myself on delay.
I hosted the WAN Show for years like that with the, with myself on delay.
So someone tried to use a speech jammer on me a little while back and I was like completely
unaffected by it. They were like, what? And I was like, dude, you have no idea.
Yeah. It's trained in the dark arts of not being speech shamed.
Because Luke couldn't monitor because he literally couldn't talk with it on.
And I was like, oh, one of us has to monitor.
So I guess it's me. So for years of hosting WAN Show, I had like a fraction of a second delay on my own speech.
It was wild. Which is like, if you don't understand how hard that is, try it.
It's actually ridiculous.
Okay. There we are. Should be good.
Like to the point where if I remember correctly, didn't the US military like derive a tool
for them to speech jam people remotely, which is just like a targeted speaker.
Oh, really? That sends the, the own person's voice back to them with a slight delay.
That's hilarious. I remember seeing something about that at one point.
Yes. We did says Kisul that cat.
Yeah.
Okay. Ready when you guys are. All right.
Let's do this thing. I am resuming the selected.
What is up, everybody?
Welcome to the WAN Show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys today.
We're going to be talking about, well, let's see. Ryzen AI max the three 95 Strix alo.
The point is these processors are freaking wild and I am super excited about them.
We're also going to be talking about HP thinking, well, maybe if we just left you on the line
and didn't let you talk to tech support, maybe you'd just figure it out on your own.
That's their policy now. Yes.
And we'll get into it. What else we got this week, Mr. Luke?
So we're talking about how you just like all the other cards can't get the RTX 5070 TI
and mod makers rejoice valve releases the full Team Fortress 2 source code in a move
that I didn't see coming.
How can you see anything coming? You know what?
It doesn't matter.
The show is brought to you today by Squarespace.
All right. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic today, which was reported by Ars Technica
and basically amounts to HP thinking, hmm, maybe it would be better if you just figured
out your tech support problems for yourself.
HP has added and since removed a 15 minute mandatory wait time to their phone support
in order to, and this is a quote, in order to influence customers to increase their adoption
of digital self-solve.
Digital self-solve is the most core thing in the world.
I think I have ever heard. They recommend visiting support.hp.com to check out other support options or find helpful
articles and assistance to get a guided help using, sorry, what an assist, whatever, virtual
agent.hpcloud.hp.com. HP has since canceled the mandatory wait times, claiming that it was originally, and this
is another quote, intended to provide more digital options with the goal of reducing
time to resolve inquiries.
And also said that many of our customers were not aware of the digital support options
that we provide.
There has to be a better way to raise awareness than just like waste everyone's time.
I think it's a good idea. Dude, 15 minutes?
That's brutal. For every single support call.
It's like, yeah, I can't imagine a lot of people going, holy crap, I've been on hold
for 13 and a half minutes.
Maybe I'll just, you know, give it a try.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Holy crap, I've been on hold for 13 and a half minutes.
Maybe I'll just, you know, Google this or, but the problem is that the kind of people
that are on the phone waiting on hold for HP support are not necessarily the kind of
people that can go resolve it themselves. And so basically you're just pushing them into paid services in all likelihood.
I also do wonder like what their average wait time was before they did this.
Like, did this actually really change anything? When you did Secret Shopper, do you know how long you had to wait for them to answer?
We've actually had pretty okay support experiences with HP.
They have never been the best, but I don't think they've ever been the worst in the
now three times that we've done Secret Shopper.
They're always kind of good for a tier one, you know?
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of in the middle.
And here's my bigger issue, I think, with this is on the one hand, like, yeah,
obviously this is horrible that HP is out here saying that they're going to make everybody
wait 15 minutes in order for them to push more people to, sorry, influence customers to
increase their adoption of digital self-solve.
But you got to wonder, since this is obviously a function then that exists in these phone
tree systems to introduce a mandatory wait, you got to wonder how many of the places that
you call already have this implemented and just don't tell anybody.
Yeah, like this probably isn't an original idea.
Oh, I sincerely doubt that they're the first ones to think of this.
And I guess I'm just trying to wrap my brain.
I mean, obviously, we sometimes at LTT Store don't have the fastest response times.
That is a fact.
Since the holiday season pretty much, we've had a notice on the site that's like, hey,
things are going to be a little delayed, whether it was due to the holiday rush, due to the
influx of orders for the commuter backpack right at the end of the year.
And then more recently, because the poor support team has been absolutely buried under inquiries
about the tariffs and then not tariffs and then tariffs and then not tariffs and just
the whole shenanigans that's been going on. That's been one thing or another.
So I fully recognize that sometimes our support response times are suboptimal.
But to imagine, to put myself in a headspace where I'm going, hmm, you know what is the
solution to literally any problem is to increase those response times on purpose.
You understand that a customer who contacts you for help is not like an undue burden.
Like that's your job. That's like the whole job.
You sell them the product and then when they have a problem with it, you deal with it.
That's the deal.
Yeah, this does seem to feel like a continuation of like, you know, on certain websites when
you try to find some way to contact support and it's like very, very difficult and they
really, really just try to force you into either support forums or like FAQ style documentation
or whatever else. This feels like a continuation of that where it's like they just don't want to help you
at all. And maybe they're trying to train people to not actually call in ever and instead use
other resources. Oh shoot.
Luke's audio is breaking down.
Do you have any idea why and are you able to fix it?
Yeah, I might just need to lower settings a bit.
Cool. Okay. Hopefully you heard that, Luke.
How is it now? Is it any better now? Nope.
It's really bad. We really did spend quite a bit of time before the show getting his stuff dialed in.
Unfortunately, it is breaking. I didn't change anything.
I believe you, Luke. I believe you.
But I'm going to have to ask you to stick with me for these basic troubleshooting steps
anyway. Can you please try turning...
15 minutes. Yeah, wait 15 minutes first.
Okay. I don't have too much else to say about this HP thing other than that if that's the way
that you feel about your customers, don't be surprised when your customers start feeling
that way about you. Just the level of hostility that large companies have towards their customers is just baffling
to me. And I understand that part of the mandate as you scale up a company is to make elements
of your business scale more efficiently.
But there are certain things that just don't scale efficiently.
And dealing with one-to-one customer support issues is just one of them.
When your revenue is double, you are going to spend double as much time talking to your
customers and helping them fix stuff. More even, actually.
Yeah, that's probably the case as you go more and more mainstream and more broadly outside
of the niche of enthusiast customers who first engaged with you.
Yeah, you're probably right. It probably does go up.
Yes, sir, says LTT Store has no phone support, though.
Isn't that just as bad or worse? I think you could make an argument that having no phone support at all is bad.
My response to that, though, is that all of our support is here onshore and for us to
be able to afford to do phone support, which takes way longer per ticket, like multiple
times longer per ticket, it would impact the prices on the store.
And so right now, we've made the decision to keep our margin structure as it is.
And we do offer chat support now, at least, but it's all text-based, which allows our
customer service people to work with multiple people at once and to deal with things more
efficiently. Even chat support is more expensive than just traditional email support.
That is a step forward. Yep.
Oh, man, there's also a big difference.
Actually, that's a really good point from Jay Hirshman in Floatplane Chat.
No phone support is fine for what LTT sells. Yeah, we don't sell anything that's mission critical.
Like you don't need us to get your, you know, a fray in your t-shirt or whatever resolved
this instant, or you're going to have customers breathing down your neck because their systems
are offline or whatever. Like it's fairly not time-sensitive.
All right.
Should we have him reconnect or something then?
Well, I do a topic. He seems to have issues with NVIDIA Broadcast.
Oh, I see. OK, well, maybe you should disable some features of NVIDIA Broadcast and see if it goes a little better.
Disabled the main one. And it didn't seem to make a difference.
Oh, no. We need to get you a new laptop.
Maybe. I mentioned to Dan just to bypass me and go directly through the mic instead of through
NVIDIA Broadcast and see if that's better. OK, cool. I guess we're bringing back the fan noise.
Let's go. Sure, try it. Yeah, just do it. Just do it. We have to fix it.
Do it? Yep.
I don't hear it yet. I'm just going to start talking.
That's a thing, one, two, three, four. It's terrible. That's a sound.
No, it's terrible. Oh, boy. All right.
NVIDIA launched the RTX 5070 Ti and you probably can't get one.
If you could get it at MSRP, it's actually one of the more compelling cards in the 50
series lineup yet. However, I'm going to play a little game with you guys called Can I Get a 5070 Ti for
MSRP? All right. I'm going to stay at United States.
That's a pretty large market. It should get a pretty reasonable amount of the allocation, a new egg, pretty large retailer.
OK, well, there's one small problem.
First of all, this lowest price in 30 days on an ASUS TUF is $1,000.
That's a lot more than $750.
Sometimes the custom cards with bigger beefier power delivery or cooling can be a little
bit on the higher side, but I don't know if years ago I would have ever seen one that
was $250 more, but hey, whatever, sure.
Let's go ahead and let's check out this Gigabyte Eagle.
Hey, that's a much more reasonable price. We got an MSI Ventus.
That's typically on the lower end and it's on the lower end of the pricing.
No, excuse me, $80 more than MSRP. Yeah, I have stock, OK.
Yeah. Oh, hey, look what an MSRP.
Yep, out of stock. ASUS Prime.
Yep. Prime plumb out of stock.
Yeah, I don't know if it was on the record or not, but I did express some of my concerns
about the long-term reputational damage that NVIDIA might be doing to their long-term reputation
with this over-promising and under-delivering that's happening on pricing and availability,
and I won't give too many details about what was or wasn't said to me other than, you know,
I was told that 5070 Ti would be better.
And I was like, sure.
And then it wasn't better at all.
And there are elements of this that NVIDIA cannot control.
NVIDIA can't really control if retailers or distributors are selling in bulk to scalpers,
for instance. They can't control that. NVIDIA can't control if their partners down the chain are increasing prices in order to
take more margin when the market will clearly bear it.
They can't really control that to a degree.
But one thing that does bother me a little bit is that NVIDIA can control how much stock
they launch with. NVIDIA can control that.
NVIDIA can make a decision to give their partners longer net terms for the chipsets.
NVIDIA can make a decision to look at their existing stock, their existing pre-launch
inventory, and they can delay the launch to allow themselves more time to build up that
inventory. That is a decision that NVIDIA can make and a decision that NVIDIA clearly decides not
to make with every launch. And I want to shout out Nintendo here, actually, because based on the frequency and thoroughness
of the leaks around the switch, too. I am actually starting to believe what Nintendo hinted at months ago, which was that their
strategy to combat scalpers was that they were going to launch with so much inventory
that it would literally not be possible for scalpers to absorb all of the inventory and
then sort of trickle it out at much higher prices.
Do you remember this conversation, Luke? You can just nod if your mic sucks.
Yeah, cool. It's a Linus WAN Show today.
No, no, don't worry. We'll get them back online, everyone.
But I mean, when was that?
I think it was sometime like mid to late last year or something like that that was sort
of rumored or something. I can't remember the exact details, but the point is that I was pretty surprised to see
that Nintendo didn't launch the switch, too, during the holiday season because the rumors
were already coming at such a rate that it seemed to indicate that the hardware was pretty
darn finished. I mean, from everything we've seen, the chip is based on Ampere.
So Nintendo has probably had finished Silicon for literally years while they work on launch
titles for this thing. So that led me to believe one of two things.
Either one, they didn't have their launch titles ready, and you know Nintendo's going
to bring it for a launch title for the Switch, too.
You know they're going to bring it. They're going to have one or two absolute mega bangers, and they're going to be ready
to go with that. So that was thought number one, was they just didn't have it.
But then I kind of went, well, yeah, but it looked like the hardware was probably ready
for like Tears of the Kingdom. Like Tears of the Kingdom would have been just such a, it would have put such an exclamation
point on the Switch to launch, right? So we go, okay, we've got Breath of the Wild that launches with Switch 1, boom, sequel to
the Switch, boom, sequel to one of the most successful games we've ever launched, Tears
of the Kingdom. Let's go. Like it seemed like such an obvious one, and then no, Tears of the Kingdom comes for
the Nintendo Switch. We see no Switch, too. And it's delayed.
I mean, I think the rumors these days are what, probably sometime in Q2?
It's kind of the word on the street. Have you heard anything, Luke?
Yeah, nothing too specific, but I don't suspect it'll be a huge delay after the direct, and
the direct is around that time, so that probably makes sense. Yeah, so probably sometime around there.
So if that's the case, it is conceivable that Nintendo is manufacturing Switch 2s, literally
for, or will be manufacturing Switch 2s for anywhere between weeks and months in the lead
up to this launch in order to stockpile enough inventory in order to support it.
And there's a lot of other companies that behave like that.
I'm holding a product from one of them in my hand. I remember having my eyes kind of opened at one point about, you know, why Tim Cook
is the CEO of Apple, and what kind of company Apple is.
A lot of people think of Apple as, what, a technology company, right?
A hardware company, a software and services company.
But if you really break it down, what is Apple better at than almost literally any other
company on the planet? They're a logistics company.
Man, they kill it.
Every little screw, every little widget, every little glass element.
When an iPhone launches, you can buy one.
You might wait a little bit. But speaking as someone who's often not really on the ball about getting our devices ordered,
even though, you know, I'm theoretically a tech YouTuber or whatever, like we'll place
our, sometimes the approvals take a little bit of time, and we'll place our order like
late in the day or the next day.
And dude, a new MacBook will come out, and we'll wait like four days or like a week and
a half or something like that for it to ship. Like they have the logistics nailed down, absolutely nailed down.
And that's a really hard thing to do, but it's also easier to do if you take some of
your cash and you use it to facilitate a smooth launch for your customers.
Why do Apple's customers love them? Because when you place a freaking order, I just placed an order recently for the iSwitch
to Apple for a month thing for my, wait, has that video come out yet?
Oh, well, that video is not out yet, but I just placed an order on apple.com.
And I bought, well, I'm not going to tell you guys what I bought, but I bought some computers,
okay? Anyway, the point is I bought some, I bought some Macs to switch to, and I get a text message.
I get a shipping notification. It's smooth.
And NVIDIA is going to have to figure out at some point that your customer expectation
for you needs to be that when you want the product, you get the product at the price
that you say it's going to be at. Otherwise, what are we even doing here?
What is any of the, what is the point of you even telling us what the price is?
Why don't you just not tell us anything? Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. I mean, they've been getting away with like, blatantly, I don't know if I want to say lying.
Extremely misleading information about performance and keynotes for many, many, many, many years
at this point. Their stock is never what you'd expect.
The pricing of things hasn't been legitimate for, I don't know, six years or something
like that. I don't necessarily think they're going to be encouraged to change unless they have competition
and they don't have that right now. So I don't know.
People can be as mad at them as they want, but if everyone keeps buying their junk, then
it's not going to matter. Well, that's the thing that's frustrating because it's not junk.
It's a good product and people want to buy it, but it's the expectations versus reality
that I think is really, is really getting us here. Like, look, if we could review the 5070TI and NVIDIA were to say to us, yeah, realistic
street pricing is probably going to be anywhere from $850 to $1,000, then at least we can
communicate that. We can work with that. We can say, hey, this is a good card.
It's not a great value. Like this will handle high refresh rate, 1440p gaming and light 4K gaming.
You'll get more FPS out of it if you use these AI enhancement features and you can kind of
decide how you feel about that, et cetera. Pricing is a real weak point and we can have that conversation.
But if we are not given useful information, then I don't really know how to deal with
that. And I think that on some level at NVIDIA,
they've got to know that they're not giving the partners enough margin to hit these MSRPs
because that's feedback that I've heard in the background from NVIDIA partners going
back 10 years, that NVIDIA is constantly squeezing their margins tighter and tighter and tighter
and tighter and tighter with every generation. I mean, it's no mystery why EVGA doesn't exist anymore as a GPU maker because you can't operate
on these margins. You're caught between customer pricing expectations and NVIDIA's margin expectations for their
own shareholders, right?
And so if NVIDIA knows that they're not giving their partners enough margin to hit these
prices, then just say that.
Because yeah, it's not a bad product. I wouldn't mind a 5070 Ti.
Where am I supposed to get one? Look at this.
It's like...
You know, at a certain point, I just have to kind of look at it and go...
And this is honestly not good for my career, but at a certain point, I just have to look
at it and go, why do you even seed me one then?
Save it for a customer because clearly they're just going to buy it anyway.
Why do we... Why even bother having reviews?
That's kind of brutal, but yeah.
I would rather somebody is gaming on that card because I'm not gaming on it.
It's sitting in my warehouse. You've been talking, it's not just sitting in your warehouse, sir.
We're using it in the lab. But we're even thinking at some point in time, we're going to have to get our standard set
of lab 5090s for CPU testing so that we can reduce GPU as a variable.
In order to do that, we have to get a bunch of them. We have to buy a bunch of them.
How do we even adopt to that if we can't get the cards because they don't exist?
Yeah. I don't know. I'm just rooting for 9070.
I haven't paid much attention to the rumors.
Radeon 9070, guys. I haven't paid much attention to the rumors, so I don't know what the sort of scuttlebutt
is for why it's been delayed.
But it obviously got delayed given that AMD had ads going up in other regions to buy it
when it hadn't actually been launched yet.
I don't know why it's been delayed, but I really hope that it's not being delayed
because it's bad. I hope it's just being delayed because AMD is seeing an opportunity to not screw up
and they're like going to capitalize on it and they're pumping as many of these chips
as they can so they can do a huge launch and have as many cards as gamers could possibly
want to buy and the drivers are going to be so polished and it's going to be freaking awesome.
What are my odds, Luke? What are my odds?
Pretty low, I think.
Pretty low, I think. Pretty low.
Are we just saying that, though, because AMD's Radeon division has let us down time and time
and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again?
Yeah, I think so. All right.
Oh, man. Chat is not.
Chat is not. Chat is not.
Oh, man, chat. Oh, man, chat is not.
Not confident. They're not confident. Oh, hold on.
No key. No key says, in a response to hardware unboxed, AMD's David McAfee shared,
I really appreciate the excitement for RDNA4.
We're focused on ensuring it's great to take a little extra time for software to blah, blah, blah,
more FSR4, wide range of partners.
And while some have started building initial inventory at retailers, you should expect many
and it trails off there. Perfect.
Thanks, no key. You should expect many more partner cards available at launch.
Okay. But that's the thing, AMD.
I don't actually need a ton of different cards.
What I need is deep stock of a handful because realistically, I mean, as much as your partners,
I'm sure, really appreciate getting allocation of the chips and being able to put their
cooler on it and their PCB design and all that kind of stuff.
From a customer point of view, I don't really care.
Like, doesn't really matter.
I just need the GPU that does that many FPSs in my gamey games.
I don't really care. I don't need, you know, what is this?
I don't need 15 cards to scroll through that are out of stock.
I don't really care.
Just please get the cards built, get them on the shelves.
I'm super excited. I hope.
Or I'm upset. We'll see. Find out.
Could be both. Yeah, it could be both. I could be upset, excited.
Still fumbling through this with Luke. Oh, geez, guys.
Can you hear me now? Does it sound any better? Yeah.
Yeah, that's less robotic. Is it? All right.
Cool. Mr. Luke. Never mind.
My freaking headphones. All right.
Cool. I'm going to just check to see if it's our local or theirs.
Or sorry. Oh, actually there is, hold on.
There is one, there is one potentially hopeful rumor.
It is rumored that gaming card availability could improve in the coming weeks due to data
center demand being lower than expected. And some of those wafers being repurposed for the production of gaming cards.
So that would be pretty cool. Also, there was one other bit of NVIDIA news this week that we haven't talked about yet.
And that is that the new 50 series cards appeared to not have support for older titles that
use FizzX. So they have no 32 bit FizzX support, meaning that if you want to play something like Batman,
Arkham Asylum, you're going to be stuck running FizzX on CPU, which even on modern CPUs is
really tough. Now, we were talking in writer's meeting today about alternatives.
Like what can you do? And one of the things that got pitched was going and like e-banging one of those old FizzX
cards. Do you remember those Luke? Like BFG had like a FizzX card that you could install.
And I guess before the NVIDIA acquisition, it would have been EGIA, EGIA FizzX card.
Unfortunately, there's no drivers for those for modern operating systems that I'm aware
of. And they're PCI cards. So you'd need a PCIe to PCI adapter and you'd have to sort of hope that that would work.
But I, yeah, I wouldn't have a lot of hope for it.
What I think would be more likely is running an older NVIDIA card that does have modern
support and pushing FizzX onto that. But I haven't actually investigated that yet.
Luke, do you remember if there was an easy way to specifically allocate one of your NVIDIA
GPUs to run FizzX? Because I thought there was.
Do you remember the EVGA GTX 275 co-op?
Yeah. Yeah. And I remember people running dedicated FizzX cards.
So that must have been a thing. Yeah. This one.
Okay. So this one had two GPUs on it.
It had a, it had a 275 GTX 275 and then it had a special like second.
Yeah. There it is. It also had a GTS 250 that was supposed to be dedicated to FizzX.
M.DOS says there was a Reddit post on r slash LTD that showed a comparison that showed that.
Okay. Yeah. That will help.
The old page is still up on it as a tutorial. Yeah.
Here we go. Nokia just posted this. Awesome.
To use a FizzX GPU accelerator on multi GPU systems.
Okay. So if that works, then I guess that helps a little bit, but I also just have to question
like how much die area did NVIDIA actually save?
Yeah. I just have to ban someone really quick and they're gone.
Cool. All right. At least I'm trying.
Dan, if you could do it, that'd be great. Sorry.
What do you want? Things in the chat?
Don't worry about it. Okay.
Cool. What else we got for this week? What do you want to talk about, Mr. Luke?
iPhone 16e, I think.
Oh, yeah. We can talk about that.
The new iPhone 16e came out.
I assume that you weren't paying any attention to this, Luke.
No, I wasn't literally at all.
That's correct. So Apple finally launched a bit of a spiritual successor to the iPhone SE Gen 3.
So they've done three iPhone SEs so far and that's kind of their budget oriented iPhone.
But what's got people kind of riled this time around is that the last iPhone SE started
at $430, which I mean, I think sounds like a pretty good price for a phone that at the
time had what was Apple's flagship tier SOC in it.
It was pretty light on the RAM and storage.
I believe it had four gigs of RAM and 64 gigs of storage.
So not too much for four years ago.
But top tier SOC and actually what a lot of people liked about it was it used an older
version of Apple's industrial design that had the fingerprint sensor and the home button
rather than using gesture controls like the iPhone 10, which had actually come out a few years prior.
So the iPhone SE was kind of like the little brother iPhone and it was priced as such,
$430, pretty good starting price. And I believe it was 400 and I want to say 480 for the one that had 128 gigs of storage.
So like a more reasonable amount of storage if you're going to be snapping any number of pictures
and recording any video. So what's got people riled is the price for this one starts at $600, which is a lot,
especially when you look at some of the some of the more budget friendly Android phones
that exist these days for as little as a few hundred bucks.
Like anywhere from three to $450, there's some pretty darn compelling options for Android phones.
And that's even ignoring secondhand flagships.
What is a previous generation Apple more affordable phone?
Like is this an increase in Apple's low end or is this just bad comparatively to Android cheap phones?
It is definitely an increase in Apple's low end because it used to start at 430 bucks or 480 for 128 gigs of storage.
And this one starts at $600 for 128 gigs of storage.
So I don't really buy the narrative that we went all the way from $430 to $600.
I see it as more of we went from $480 to $600.
And some of that realistically should have gone down in price.
That 128 gigs of storage has gone down a lot since the third generation iPhone SE launched.
However, there are some elements of the new E.
So the iPhone 16 E that have gone up in price substantially over the last four years.
Because once again, with the 16 E, we're getting a cutting edge SOC.
And I think that that's something that people are not necessarily assigning enough value to here.
In this phone, you are getting an SOC that is competitive with phones, Android phones that cost twice as much.
Can you guys tell me an Android phone for 600 bucks that has a top spec, absolute top of the line SOC in it?
And there might be some, but I'm actually not aware of any.
Go ahead, please guys, hit me with that. Unchained blades ask, okay, but the question is, do you even need that SOC?
And my answer is, not today.
No, today you don't.
No, I disagree that the Pixel 8 Pro has a top of the line SOC.
It's not even three nanometer. Like the only other top of the line SOC that I'm aware of is the latest Snapdragon.
And those are not coming in at $600.
Not that I'm aware of. Let me have a look here, Pixel 9 Pro XL.
Because that uses a little processor.
Let's have a look here. The Tensor G4.
Oh my God.
Okay. Come on.
Just tell me the answer.
Yeah, Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 is the only other three nanometer chip that I'm aware of.
And hold on, let me finish that thought from earlier. So, um, yeah, no, you don't need it today.
But the point of the SE, or rather the E lineup, is not that you need that processor today.
It's that Apple builds these platforms, these entry-level devices for longevity.
Because unlike a lot of the Android handset makers that are going to build these, you know, 300, $400 phones, $500 phones even,
Apple is committing, actually I don't think they commit,
but Apple internally is committing to support this thing for probably six, somewhere between six to eight revisions of iOS.
So no, you don't need that processor today.
And I think that that's an argument that a lot of people make when they look at the iPhone SE and they go,
well, this is just stupid because I could buy an iPhone 15 or an iPhone 14.
I could buy a couple of generation old iPhone and I could get a better experience today
because I might even be able to get like, you know, a 13 Pro or a 14 Pro or something like that.
And there's going to be some extra feature comforts that are built into that.
I'm going to get my MagSafe. I'm going to get these other features.
And that's great. And you can totally do that. Legging behind on secondhand or even just like last gen flagships that are brand new is a totally valid strategy.
But it's not who this product is meant to serve.
This product is meant to serve people who want the entry level iPhone that is brand new,
that they are not going to swap out for five, six, seven years.
Yeah. And so that's, I think, the thing that we're missing a little bit here is I see a few people talking about,
okay, Red Magic 10 Pro. Apparently that is a flagship processor for about 650 bucks.
So let's have a look. Red Magic 10 Pro, SoC.
So that's got a Snapdragon 8 Elite.
But ask me, but riddle me this.
Are you really going to compare Red Magic to iPhone?
How long has Red Magic committed to Android updates?
Let's see. They're promising three years.
Guys, the software updates are a huge, huge part of the cost of a phone.
It's not just the hardware. You're not just buying a bill of materials here.
You are buying an experience. You're buying a bill of materials plus you're buying the long-term support for this device
and you're buying the infrastructure around that. So when you buy...
Unfortunately, I think part of the price might even reflect this.
You're buying status to a certain degree. Possibly more than ever, especially as far as I've heard in America.
Because having an iPhone is cool and having an Android is not cool right now.
And I get that, but honestly, I don't kind of...
I don't... I understand that, but I don't want to get into that aspect of it
because I don't feel that way about a phone. That's not how I make a decision about a phone.
And I honestly think that the 16e is a reasonably compelling value
even if we completely ignore that element of it.
There are things that are missing. So let's talk through some of the things that are missing.
It doesn't have the dynamic island, the bullet wound display.
Instead, it has the old kind of wide notch.
It also lacks MagSafe. So it does support wireless charging.
That should be a given for a $600 phone these days.
But what it doesn't have is the alignment magnets.
So you can't take your MagSafe wallet or your MagSafe battery bank
or your MagSafe car mount or whatever else and just stick it on there.
MagSafe, very cool feature, not supported on it.
It has no camera control button and the wireless connectivity.
I think a pretty decent word for it is, let's put it this way,
is potentially sus. So Apple has finally, I'm catching Luke up,
but also any of you who didn't check out the launch coverage, Apple has finally launched a product around their acquisition
of Intel's wireless modem team.
I think it was like five years ago now.
So Apple has their first in-house modem in this handset.
And that comes with some caveats.
There's no support for Wi-Fi 6E.
So no Wi-Fi 7 I get in a budget phone,
but no Wi-Fi 6E is a bit of a tough pill to swallow.
And this one I don't care about as much, but your mileage may vary.
No support for millimeter wave 5G.
So if you live in a densely populated urban area
and you happen to have millimeter wave around you, then you won't be using that.
Personally, I don't. So I don't really care about that.
I would never get a chance to use it. Both of those being non-included feels a little bit weird
with the feature-proofing messaging that they've thrown out.
Yes, but I actually have a counterpoint to my own point here.
Wi-Fi 6 is not that bad.
And for anything that you're going to need to be doing on your phone,
like it's pretty incredible to see Jake actually,
he hosted a ShortCircuit a little while ago, looking at Ubiquiti's new pro access points.
And I think he hit over 2 gigabit a second.
2 gigabit a second on a Wi-Fi connection.
At range, at a distance, he was doing over a gigabit,
which is mind-blowing.
What do I need 100 megabytes a second for?
I'm going to be limited by DNS look-ups
before I'm going to be limited by drawing data down to my phone
at that speed. It doesn't matter once you get past a certain speed.
And no, I'm not convinced that my auntie needs more
than what Wi-Fi 6 can do, which is, if I recall correctly,
it's up in the 750 to 850 megabit range.
Don't quote me on that, but it's enough
for what the iPhone SE customer is going to need to do with it.
As for MagSafe, there's a lot of third-party cases
that have magnet alignment landmarks in them
or that basically can take an Android phone
and make it MagSafe compatible.
I'm sure they already exist. If they don't, it'll be a matter of minutes.
I haven't actually looked into it. But finding a MagSafe upgrade case for the iPhone 16e
is going to be a trivial matter in the longer term.
There's still drawbacks. So instead of being able to go at higher wattages,
you're limited to 7.5 watts of wireless charging, which is sort of a downer.
But I'm just not convinced that the lack of a dynamic island,
the lack of built-in MagSafe that I can just add with a case
that most people are going to use anyway, and slower Wi-Fi and millimeter wave,
I'm not convinced that it's that big of a deal.
Apple D-brand has apparently already advertised it, according to Cato S and Andre B and Harris.
Okay, everyone's telling me D-brand's got it already. There you go.
No, I'm not trying hard not to say D-brand, guys. I just wasn't looking at the chat there.
So it's $600 for a phone that has a flagship SoC.
It finally has a decent amount of starting storage. It has the same amount of RAM as the rest of the iPhone 16 lineup.
So what's going to happen? What that tells me? And Apple hasn't explicitly said this,
but what that tells me is that they're going to age this thing out
pretty much in lockstep with the rest of the 16 lineup.
They kept that performance there on purpose. They did that because they have an eye
on how long they need to support this bloody thing,
and they're making sure that it's going to have the horsepower for them to do it.
I don't know, man. I think that people are giving it a really hard time
and missing the point of the product a little bit.
Not everything is made for you.
Some products are made for my auntie,
and she doesn't care. She doesn't need that stuff.
What she wants is a phone that she buys and then doesn't think about for the better part of a decade.
That's what she wants.
Oh, there is one thing that I miss. It doesn't have Apple's ultra-wideband chips,
which is, in my opinion, actually the biggest missing feature.
I'm sorry I missed that. You guys are right.
So anyway, yep, new iPhone 16e.
You want one yet, Luke? No.
Yeah, I can't wait to get off of my iPhone either. Actually, oh, I've got something really funny for you guys.
In my coverage of the iPhone 16e,
one of the drawbacks that I brought up was what a steaming pile of dog crap iOS 18 is.
And there was not one, but many comments,
basically just accusing me of being a biased jackass
who hates Apple. And so, since that video launched,
which was two days ago,
I have collected a couple, not one,
but two clips of my iOS 18 phone
behaving in absolutely bat-shit-crazy ways
for your guys' enjoyment. Dan, do you happen to have a USB-C cable over there?
I do. Do you want USB-C to USB-C?
No, I want you to just ingest the last two clips.
Oh, okay. Last two video clips off of this thing.
They're flippin' wild.
So I recorded them with my Note 9 because I didn't want to start screen recording
on the iPhone in case it disrupted
the weird, bizarre buggy behavior that it was exhibiting.
Ranma Chan says,
I have zero issues with iOS 18, lol. And that's great. And that's totally cool.
And I'm super happy for you.
That's absolutely incredible. I love it. But it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do.
And your lack of issues, 100% does not invalidate
the very real issues that I am running into
with this bloody phone. It's driving me absolutely crazy.
You know what you're going to switch to? No, I'm just going back to your Note, are you?
It's the other phone that I carry right now,
but no, no, I'm not going to.
I'm not going to.
You know what I really want to use? Is that horrible Huawei tri-fold one
that had all the breakage issues? But I heard that Samsung's going to be releasing a tri-fold.
I'm kind of tempted. I'm kind of tempted.
I set you something while we're at the first one.
Hold on a second. Dan's got the videos.
Dan's got the videos. Here we go. Oh, they're just the most recent camera videos.
LG Wing Stop. I am never using the LG Wing again, you guys.
That is absolutely not happening. And yes, pug boy, I'd love to give the Sony Xperia some love
if anyone from Sony is watching this, okay?
Let me move the task switcher and back buttons around
and I'm so in. I'm in right now. I'm in yesterday. I'm done.
I don't want to install some third-party weirdo thing.
I just want you to just allow me to do that and then I'm good. I'm ready to go. So ready.
I'm with you on that, even if I'm a Sony fanboy.
So ready. Not okay. All right, you got them?
Yeah, it's just upside down. Oh, well, whatever. Good enough.
Give me a sec. Oh, okay. Dan, he's working on it. Let him cook. Let him cook.
Okay, so here's our first one.
Am I able to narrate these? Okay, check this out. This is a first-party app.
This is Safari.
This is a first-party app, just completely broken
until I open up a text thing. Can you play that again?
Yep. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and play that again.
Just what?
I am not even like, dude, I get all kinds of weird app crashes and strange behavior
in Gmail or whatever, right?
This is a first-party app. This was today.
I don't know if you guys could see the date on it, but this was today.
Okay, what else we got? The second one is a dark video.
Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yep, go for it.
So I'm in Discord with Luke.
And did you see me type? Can you see my keyboard at all?
Where is my keyboard?
What is happening right now? I can type, but it's not there.
I must be holding it wrong, right, people?
So you can tell that this is recent. This is since the release of that video,
because Luke and I are talking about the results of the big USA vs. Canada game.
So this is last night, I guess.
There it is. It's back. I'm using the first-party keyboard.
Guys, do not gaslight me and tell me that iOS 18
is not a buggy piece of s***. Do not do that.
I'm sorry guys, I can't bleep the video. I would have tried, but yeah.
And look, I fully acknowledge that Android
is a buggy piece of s*** and Windows is a buggy piece of s***.
Everything is a buggy piece of s***,
including iOS.
No, I'm not even mad. Guys, I'm not even mad, because honestly,
it's not that much worse
than like anything else. It just isn't better.
And if you tell yourself over and over again,
it's better, it's better, it's better, it's better, it's so much better, it's better, it's better.
You're deluded. You're deluding yourself.
It's not better. It's buggy garbage, like everything,
and we should be honest about it so that we can have these conversations.
Let's have these conversations. Let's push these manufacturers to do better,
but we can't do that if we just go,
la la la, no, it's good enough. It's good enough, la la la.
We can't have these conversations. That's it.
That's all I have to say about that. So if you commented on that video going,
line us out on what you're talking about. iOS 18 is perfect.
Maybe you're a really light user.
You don't use the browser. You don't use the keyboard.
Or they just don't run into problems.
I've had problems with, I had a ton of problems with this Pixel phone
when I first got it, and now I have practically none.
I don't know what happened. Nothing really changed. I just don't have the same problems anymore.
It's been a tradition for me that the people,
the other people that I know that have Pixel phones will have other various random issues
and I won't have the same ones at all, but they have a totally different subset
of random issues that they won't have.
So, I don't know.
Bazag in Floatplane chat said some very true words here.
Floatplane is the only 100% bug-free software.
That's true.
You can't even meme it.
Yeah. For sure, dude.
Oh, definitely. Nothing is perfect. Nothing is perfect,
but pretending it is is not healthy,
is all I'm trying to say. Perfect on Firefox.
Yeah. Linus, do you want your phone back? Oh, yeah, sure.
You can give my phone back if you wanted. I don't know why you don't just automatically
solve all your iOS issues by just running Firefox on your phone.
Yeah, right. That would definitely fix it.
Pretty hilarious though, right? It took me less than 48 hours
to produce hard video evidence
of just...
I don't think anyone could call either of those things
anything other than broken. That's broken.
That's just plain broken, and both of them were first-party pieces of software.
The built-in keyboard. So, I'm not even using Swift Key anymore
because I gave up because the built-in keyboard kept superseding it
without me telling it to. So, I just gave up
and started using the built-in keyboard. And then the fact that my second app issue
was with Safari, which is foundational.
Okay, that's foundational first-party software.
Oh.
Yeah. Video is made with a perfect Note 9.
I know, right? If Samsung...
Okay, I'm going to talk to Samsung now. Samsung.
Okay, if you guys are listening,
Note 9 Mark II.
Hear me out. Note 9 Mark II.
I want to see it. No notch.
No hole in the front display. Just give me a nice skinny little forehead up there, okay?
Give me that rear fingerprint sensor. Right?
What else do I want? Give me that headphone jack, that microSD expansion.
A flagship phone with all the features you put in your budget phones.
Jay Zimmer says that will never happen. I know.
I know. I know it'll never happen, but I just...
I want it. You know? I just...
I want it. And no, I don't want an S25 Ultra
because they don't have the stupid Bluetooth remote trigger for the stylus anymore.
That is one of my favorite features on the stylus. It's so cool.
I use it all the time.
I'm just going to start yelling at Sony
to fix their buttons so that you can use this. Yeah.
Yeah, seriously. If you know anyone who works at Sony
in their mobile division, all four of them that still are there,
just let them know. I'm ready.
I'm here. I'm so ready. I'm ready right now.
I'm ready to do it. I want to go Sony.
Okay. How about some merch messages? Oh, right.
What are we even supposed to be doing today? Merch messages.
Oh, right. The WAN Show. Okay.
This is great. Well, why don't we get the announcements out of the way
before we do merch messages? Oh, wait. No, we'll do the explanation of merch messages first.
So the way to interact with the show is a merch messages.
We don't do super chats. We don't do Twitch bits or anything like that.
If you want to chat with Mr. Dan, the producer,
have him send you... Wow, that is some wicked moire.
Yeah. Never wear that sweater again.
That's okay. I've got a new one right here.
So all you got to do is head to the cart at LTTstore.com
to send in a merch message. And producer Dan will throw it down there,
respond to it, or curate it for me and Luke
to address on the show. And a pretty special thing for you guys to add to your cart
today is the all new framework all over embroidered hoodie.
This thing is so cool. And yes, this is a very high price for a hoodie.
But what it is, is a very reasonable price
for an all over embroidered garment.
That is not printed. That is fricking embroidery.
It looks so cool.
This is like one of the coolest garments
that we have ever done, you guys. I am extremely proud of what the team put together here.
Flipping awesome. This was a collaboration with Framework.
They're not profiting or anything like that from it.
But basically, we reached out to them and we were like,
hey, we had this idea for doing an all over embroidered garment.
We wanted it to be kind of circuit board, PCB inspired.
And would you guys be down, you know, intellectual property,
notwithstanding, would you guys be down to send us the layouts,
send us the board drawings for your Framework 13?
I believe it's the Framework 13. Don't quote me on that.
It could be the 16. I can't remember. But would you be down to send us the board layout
for one of your laptops? And then we'll build that as a repeating pattern
into the fabric before we sew these together.
And they were like, um, there could be some like, you know,
patent or IP issues with some of our partners.
Let us abstract it a little bit, but, um, yeah,
that sounds pretty cool. So we've, uh, so it's, we're calling it the,
the essence of a Framework motherboard.
Um, and then we've embroidered it throughout every inch of the fabric.
Like, dude, how cool is this?
I'm actually super, super stoked on this.
Uh, one of the first ones that we made was actually given to
Narav, CEO of Framework, um, at CES this year.
And I saw him, I saw him rocking it as he was walking up to the
NVIDIA keynote. Super cool.
Oh man. This really is one of the coolest products that we have ever made.
Um, anyway, so that's, uh, that's available starting this week.
Um, it's crafted with brushed 100% cotton terry fabric for softer,
more comfortable feel than our already cozy regular hoodies.
And like with any LTT hoodie, or at least most of them, I think, uh,
we added a little secure pocket for your phone or earbuds.
We used YKK zippers and even added subtle LTT touches,
like the logos on the ends of our custom baby chunk draw chords.
Uh, I don't know if we've got a good picture of the draw chords here for you guys,
but they really are, they really are baby chunk.
Let me see if I can find one.
Yeah, there it is. Yeah, there it is.
Little detail there.
That cost, that costs us extra, but hey, we care about the little details,
you guys.
So cool.
Anyway, yeah, it's $150 hoodie.
Whatever. Compare it to other fully all over embroidered hoodies,
and I'm not going to apologize for that. It's a, it's a super cool hoodie.
Oh, Artie's like wear it. Yeah, sorry, I forgot.
Thanks, Artie. I was actually wearing it all day. Uh, the only, oh, oh yeah.
No, I already have one already. Thanks. There's one on the chair behind me.
Um, yeah. Oh, I freaking love it.
It's so cool. Don't worry, Luke.
There's one for you. It's over there on your, uh, on your hanger.
Okay. I was actually kind of sad. I didn't get this one.
Yeah, I know. Don't worry, I got you. Oh my gosh.
The arms fit as well. What have you done? Oh, nice.
This is phenomenal. Let's go. Oh, it's so comfy.
Let's go. Let's go. I'm just going to keep the moire.
All right. So do you want to show our friends how, uh, our parasocial friends,
how a merch message works? I'm actually going to take this off because it looks a little bit weird,
uh, being behind me. Double sweater. I like fade into my, into my chair.
I've got a comment here from Nate first. Why do you all have to make so much cool stuff and make me spend my money rude?
Sorry. Thanks for being real. And keep the good times rolling.
All right. So I'm trying to bring back the land room at my local convention next Friday.
I have never run a land before. Do you have any tips or tricks that could help?
Uh, February. Uh, he's not trying to do it by next Friday.
Oh, sorry. Good effort. Um, any tips or tricks that could help?
I mean, one big one, huge is control the scope.
Okay. Don't try to host a 300 person event right out of the gate.
Okay. On the first one, I'd say it's really important to make sure that you're doing it with
people that kind of are going to keep their expectations in check.
Um, I'm not saying you have to necessarily do it for free,
but I would say that if you were going to ask people to pay,
it should be on the order of like beer money for the first one or energy drink
money or whatever the case may be. You know, try, try to, try to break even try to have some fun with it.
Don't overdo the scope. Um, the other big one I would say is plan for what your,
what your big games are going to be. You know, what are you all going to play together?
Because that's what makes a land special. That's what makes it memorable is the times that you were all playing together.
So whether it's like a worms Armageddon tournament or whether you guys are going
to like, you know, get some, uh, Halo custom edition going or, uh, you know,
what are some other really good like land land games, Luke?
Yeah. I mean, this is what, this is the point that I was going to bring up actually was
stay away from the super popular games.
Um, try to find stuff that is like a lot of the things that Linus just mentioned
are well known as land games, but people don't actually play them a lot outside
of lands, which is perfect because you don't want people who are like super
practiced or super trained on this particular game.
You want a bunch of people going into it fairly raw because that will hopefully
have more people at a similar skill level.
Um, if you picked like Call of Duty and then you have someone that every single
day after work, they go home and play Call of Duty.
They're just going to ruin the lobbies for everybody. So you kind of want to, unless, unless this is like a group of people that play
a very particular type of game and then you're coming together to play that game
and that is fun and that is cool. That's one thing.
If it's just a big multi game, whatever have fun land, it's mostly interesting
to bring in things that people don't know about or are just kind of silly fun.
Like something like worms ARM again, it kind of fits in as both to be honest.
Um, it's silly fun and it's very unlikely that people just sit at home grinding this game.
This is cool. We did a, we did a carpoon tournament, um, at whale land at the last LTX.
Okay. So you, uh, you're a tow truck with a harpoon and you, you tow cars into the
masher to recycle them or whatever. Um, you know, find, yeah, find stuff like that.
Find stuff that's, that's going to be memorable and different.
Um, and then it, you know, be ready for there to be some technical issues.
Um, I would say, I would say don't overthink the networking.
You're probably going to have the network nerds in your life coming in and.
Okay. I'm about to give some very, very bad advice, but as long as you are doing this
with only people that you like know and trust and can manage the expectations of,
but you know, other than just making sure that everyone has their firewall enabled
on their local machine, I wouldn't worry about, you know, going and trying to set up
the lands and trying to set up a bunch of complicated stuff.
Keep it small. Just connect to dumb switches.
Don't overthink it. Have fun. Scale from there.
Yeah.
Yeah. And Mage quit super fun.
T three one T three D. Don't be afraid to, don't be afraid to have, have a couch.
Like if you can get a couch and like one PC and get some controller, tell everyone,
Hey, bring a controller. Um, lots of fun.
And it's something that people can't do at home. They can't do at home on their own.
So Mage quit is a really fun game. It's up to eight players, I believe, or does it support even more?
Mage quit. Uh, we actually played it at our, at our executive retreat a while back up to 10.
Up to 10. Yeah. It's, it's really fun.
Very cool. It's like a, like an arena brawler.
Also, don't, don't be afraid to have games that aren't even necessarily on the computers.
Um, like at one of the whale lands, we did chair curling.
Yeah. Where you just like took rolling chairs and you just curled them and it was fun.
People had a great time. Like ultimately you're all there hanging out, having fun.
It doesn't necessarily particularly matter. Like if it's a PC land, like Linus said, you can have a couch and play some game that
isn't just sitting in front of your monitors. Um, you can also just like get up and do other random stuff.
Uh, a very classic land game is hard drive shuffleboard where people bring in their
old dead hard drives and you just play like shuffleboard on the ground with them.
Um, yeah, feel free to mix it up.
Just have fun. Oh man. Maybe that's where my Bitcoin hydra went.
Maybe. All right. Here's another one for you.
Hey, I bought the Nokia wireless VR adapter like a year ago and it was dead on arrival.
Support has been absolutely terrible and I don't have a resolution.
What would you do or recommend? Oh, we're talking about HP and support and stuff like that.
Yeah. That's terrible. Did those guys still exist because I was trying to get mine set up and I couldn't get it working
and I booked a call with them a couple of times and I was actually the one who ghosted
because I got busy with, um, actually it was a death in the family that was the reason
that I moved my last one. Um, and I just didn't feel motivated to get it fixed.
Once I had all my wires all hooked up again. Um, I don't know.
Are they, are they, have they just disappeared? Cause I was really interested in the product and I wanted to review it.
I mean, their website is still, their website is still here.
Do they have like a blog or like,
how do you fix TBA?
What am I even looking at here? Okay.
So there's been no updates since December of last year.
Okay. That's only a couple of months ago though.
I mean, other than posting about it on social media, posting about it on Reddit.
Really? It's a bit of a request.
Okay. Audio drops out and never returns, but a resolution unplugged the DP cable.
Man, I don't know what to tell you other than, yeah, trying,
trying to get attention from, from them and or someone else on social media.
I mean, their last post on Twitter was, uh, like two and a half weeks ago.
So theoretically these guys are still around.
It's just a question of whether they're actually providing support.
That's super crummy.
I'm sorry to hear that.
I mean, I guess you've already definitely driven some attention to your case
because here we are talking about it. Um, I would, I would love to hear.
You're like trying to get someone's attention on social media. I was like, well, that worked.
Yeah. Sorry. I didn't even, I wasn't really, I wasn't really thinking about that.
We're social media. I was focused. I was focused.
Technically this is internet television.
Yeah. So we'd like to, we'd like to hear soon that that is resolved, uh, nofio.
That's what we'd like to hear.
All right.
Oh, do we need to do sponsors, Mr. Dan? Yeah, why not?
Mr. Dan wants us to do this sponsors. Okay.
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All right. What do we want to talk about next, Mr. Luke?
One thing, you were talking about phones to switch to,
and I asked you during CES, but neither of us had a lot of time to really talk about it, about HMD phones.
And it just reminded me of that when you said you didn't know what phone to switch to.
I don't necessarily know if this is a good idea,
but I had just overheard a conversation about them while we were at CES,
and I looked them up just now during the show.
And they have a 9 out of 10 repairability score on iFixit,
and they have very easy ways and replaceable parts for like the screen and the battery
and all this other stuff, which sounds great. What am I looking at?
What, HMD phones? What do you mean?
Seriously?
Can you see my screen change? No, click on the smart phone one.
Click on the smart phone. New company phones?
I think the one people are talking about is the Skyline.
I think that's the main one that people discuss. Oh my goodness, they have so many.
Okay, the Skyline. Nissan phone.
HMD. Here's the T.
Replace a cracked screen and other parts at home.
Digital detox mode. How do I not know about these guys?
Am I just out of the loop here?
Yeah, I don't know. The 9 out of 10 repairability from iFixit was surprising and reassuring to me.
Some people say that the boot loaders locked down,
and they only promised two years of Android updates.
I don't know if that's true. I'm just reading some comments. So that's kind of a yikes, but the repairability stuff is pretty cool.
Oh, apparently it's just Nokia.
Oh, okay. Oh, this is a heart?
Oh, it's a heart. Okay, that's something.
What's a heart? His finger and thumb. Apparently this is a heart.
Oh, all right. No one does that.
Well, I'd never heard of it. Stop trying to make fingers happen.
Okay, all right. So it's apparently Nokia, but it wasn't wasn't Nokia bought?
So is is HMD Nokia or is Nokia brand just owned by HMD?
HMD Global Oy is a licensee of the Nokia brand for phones.
Nokia is a registered trademark of Nokia Corporation.
Okay, so who actually are these guys then?
Who owns HMD?
Was formed after Microsoft relinquished its rights to the Nokia brand in 2016.
Foxconn took over Microsoft's feature phone business and Foxconn founder Terry Goo is the main owner of HMD Global.
This is from September 2023.
And HMD Global seems to own Nokia, yeah.
Got it. Okay, so they're not Nokia. Nokia is them.
Yeah. Got it.
Got it. Yeah, I don't know. They seem pretty cheap.
They seem repairable. Both of those things sound cool.
Chad is also saying the finger thing is a very Korean thing.
K-pop thing. Got it.
Makes a lot more sense. Okay, well, I will take that under consideration.
Thank you, Luke. Just an idea. That's all.
Okay. Why don't we talk about the Ryzen AI Max 300 series?
Yeah. Well, I want to talk about it.
Even if you don't. Basically, these things are awesome.
They have a horrible name because thank you AMD for that.
But these things are sick.
The Ryzen AI Max Plus 395 is like the coolest mobile processor
that I think I have seen that I can remember off the top of my head.
16 cores, up to 5.1 gigahertz boost.
Massive cache, 40 graphics cores.
And I believe they're RDNA 3. I want to say RDNA 3 or 3.5 or something like that.
Basically, like good ones. And up to 120 flipping watts TDP.
And that's not even the best part. The best part is that these, unlike a lot of AMD's processors
that have AI bolted onto them for no apparent reason in the product name,
are actually pretty compelling for AI.
Because they can be configured with up to 128 gigs of memory
that can be reallocated between the CPU and the GPU.
Up to, I believe, it's 96 gigs in Windows.
And then up to, I think, about 110 in Linux can be allocated to the GPU.
So kind of like we've seen with the Mac Studio,
these things are going to be absolute monsters
in terms of the size of the models that they can handle.
These things are so freaking cool.
Which is interesting because that became significantly more relevant
after they were announced. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
There's lower end models that can, oh, right, right.
And what's really cool is because they wanted to keep this onboard GPU fed,
this massively powerful onboard GPU.
Hold on a second, I'm just going to check the notes here. I'm trying to remember exactly what it was comparable to.
Don't quote me on this because I don't think I see it in my notes.
But I think it was supposed to be comparable to something like a 4070 mobile.
Like this onboard GPU is flipping nuts on the top spec model.
It's either 4060 Ti or 4070. I will let chat, let me know what's going on.
But it is, I was running Blacksmith Wukong on it at CES.
And I was like, whoa, no, this is actually running.
So in order to keep this GPU fed, that up to 128 gigs of memory
is on this massively wide bus.
I think it's like 256 bit or something like that.
So it does make the board design a little bit more challenging
and there's a video coming soon where we'll be talking a little bit
in more detail about that. So that's why we're not seeing a lot of devices with these in them.
But they're so powerful because it's the memory is so fast
for both the CPU and GPU because they needed to make it fast enough
to run that GPU. It's so cool.
And it's even better than I thought.
So I talked about this in a fair amount of detail
with at least what we had when I did coverage of the ROG Flow Z13
in the ASUS booth at CES. But now that they're out and people can actually benchmark them
in their own studios, the Fox, who you guys might remember,
we've talked about him before, not in a while.
He really focuses on gaming handhelds.
Super cool guy. Let me see.
I think he's got a video so you got... Wait, hold on a second.
Did he review our precision screwdriver?
Did you know about this? Did I talk about this?
Did I just forget about this? What the heck?
Did we even know about this? What?
I didn't know about this. No way.
Cool.
Interesting.
Wow, how about that? Okay. Cool.
Well, thanks anyway. Yeah, anyway.
Yeah, here we go. So you guys are going to want to go check out his video.
Here's his channel.
So anyway, he really specializes in handheld gaming PCs,
handheld chips, and people were worried that since the low end
of AMD's advertised sort of TDP target for this thing was 45 watts,
that this thing would totally suck for handhelds.
But it turns out the 395 crushes the 8840U and average FPS
at the same TDPs of 25 or 20 watts in Arkham Knight
and has an even bigger uplift in Cyberpunk.
My notes say maybe just look at his charts, but we're not going to do that.
We're going to send you guys to see his charts. The point is that it looks absolutely awesome,
even at lower TDPs. He got nine hours of battery life on the 395 by lowering power
and seven and a half hours on the 390.
And this is on the FlowZ13, which has a giant screen on it.
So if you had a smaller screen and a handheld device, man, it could be freaking awesome.
So our discussion question here is, if ASUS threw a 395 into an ROG Ally,
how much would it cost? And would you pay that price to play games on a handheld
with this high of a level of performance?
How do I put this? I strongly doubt that ASUS has any plans
to do a Ryzen AI Max or a Ryzen AI Max Plus ROG Ally.
But I would be absolutely stoked if they did that.
The problem is that the only customers
that they'd really be addressing with that product would pretty much be people like me and reviewers
who don't have to pay for them, because it would be wildly expensive.
How much do you think one would cost?
I am going to make a fairly educated guess.
Can't tell you how educated it is, but it's pretty darn educated.
And I would say that there is no conceivable way
that it would start under about $2,000.
That's exactly what I thought you were going to say. Yeah, people are like $900.
No, dude. Not even close.
This is a full SoC, guys. This is up to 16, and I'm talking like the top spec,
with the 16 cores and the 40-core GPU.
We're talking about a top-of-the-line mobile CPU
with a mobile 4070 bolted to it before you've even attached it to a motherboard,
before you've put any memory on it.
Like, no. I mean, you might need a little less memory
for a gaming configuration. So, no, still. Still too grand.
There's no way. People are like, I wouldn't pay that much.
Yeah, yeah, they get it. That's why I strongly doubt that ASUS is going to build it.
But your willingness to pay for it doesn't change.
That's just what that would cost to build. And so that just is.
It would be sick, though. And that blows or whatever, but it is what it is.
And that's what it costs. And that's why we can't have it,
because there just wouldn't be enough people. Someone says, Aya Neo is doing it for less.
With this chip, are you sure? Aya Neo 395.
What are we even talking about here?
Aya Neo, something.
Ryzen, AI, Max.
Are you guys sure? Anything about this?
I know he's not going to see any of this.
No, I do see you. Flight 420.
Yeah, I think I got trolled. I think I got trolled, guys.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, Shraff2K in Floatplane chat says,
No, no, no, no. I mean, the regular Aya Neo is still $1,200 without that chip.
Yes, exactly.
So by the time you put this giant SoC in it,
it's not going to get any cheaper. And you'd be throwing away a lot of its performance,
because you would never want to put a big enough battery
in a handheld to power this flipping thing
at a reasonable wattage for an extended period of time.
So you'd be getting slightly better performance,
but not as much as it's really capable of.
I mean, even if you plugged it in, you'd still need a giant cooling solution on it
if you wanted to actually hit, like, 100 watts plus.
My understanding is the sweet spot is, like, 60 watts, though.
Elemental exposure asked, Why does the city have a left-hand zipper?
Genuine curious question. Because depending on the country you're in,
which one is men's and which one is women's
is different, and we're Canada, and we are right f***ed up.
So half of the stuff we do is, like, Commonwealth,
British Way, and then half of the stuff we do
is the American Way. And you can really see it in our measurements.
So this is a Canadian measurement flow chart.
And this is very true.
What are you measuring? Speed metric.
Actually, this one's missing one. Depending on...
Oh, distance. No, here it is. Distance.
Is it your height? Yes. Imperial?
No. Is it a long distance? Yes.
You measure it in time. We don't actually use distance for that. Is it a place you're going?
No. Metric? Is it related to work?
Yes. Imperial? No.
Metric? Temperature? Is it for cooking?
Yes. Fahrenheit? No.
Is it pool temperatures? Yes. Fahrenheit?
Anything else? Celsius? It's wild, dude.
Mass? Is it your weight? Pounds?
Is it anything else? I don't know. Depends how heavy your light is.
It's flipping wild. You are in the bulk aisle or whatever.
We're all over the place, man. We have no idea what's going on.
We consider it a win that we can manage to get a zipper attached to a garment, all right?
What else we got here today? Dan, what are we supposed to be doing?
Just keep doing topics. Keep doing topics. You don't have any more topics.
All right. Well, I'm excited about the Ryzen AI Max. Okay?
And... Oh, should we talk about Luke's trip? Yeah.
Luke went on a trip in his favorite rocket ship, Unclear.
One question. How do we know for sure Luke even went on a trip? Yeah, that's a good question.
How do we know that? That's true. I could be, you know, I'm in a hotel room, but I could just be in a hotel room in, like,
near the office. You have no idea. You technically don't know.
I mean, the delay on the link is pretty indicative that you are a fair distance away, but sure.
Yes, you... I think it artificially influenced that.
You don't know. No, that's my job.
Yeah. Yeah. Just incompetence.
Zero Trust World with Threat Locker, they flew us down here.
Zero Trust World? It was fun. That sounds like a wild place to hang out.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's the Zero Trust, like, security concept.
I know. But, of course, it's a security convention.
So what they actually started talking about is how to do offensive things because it's
more fun. So, like, one of my favorite panels that we went to was a Hack 5 Ducky panel, the Rubber
Duckies. I'm sure you guys...
I'm sure. But they handed out Rubber Duckies to everybody, and they had laptops in this big room, and
they showed people how to use them. So I was there with AJ, and, of course, we ran with it in our own way.
And do you remember that thing I did on Channel Super Fun, the Screen Melter program?
Yeah. Yep. The prank back in the day.
So, I was able to find... I found the original Thread where I found, like, where I learned how to make it from
back in the day with, like, Napalm and all those guys. I found the original Thread, and then through that Thread found that somebody has actually
maintained it, so they have, like, a few honors support for it and stuff now.
No way. Which is amazing. So, I didn't have, like, my version of it because I had made some changes, but I was
able to just download the executable for it because someone's been maintaining it.
And we got a Rubber Ducky to Screen Melt you the second it gets plugged in.
Okay. That was pretty fun. That was entertaining.
I mean, they showed us how to do, like, data exfiltration.
One of the fun things that they were talking about was, like, if you ask an LLM to write
a Ducky script for you to, like, you know, upload all of the documents and pictures on
a computer to a Google Drive, it's pretty likely that it will be, like, yeah, I'm not going
to tell you how to do that because you're clearly just trying to, like, steal people's
files. Yeah. It's just for ease of backup.
It'll be, like, okay, and then tell you how to do it right away.
So, anyways, yeah, they showed us how to do a bunch of different things.
One of them was disabling, like, Windows Defender and other stuff.
Some of them was data exfiltration.
Stuff like the Windows Defender one was, like, pretty obvious.
If you, you know, if you had access to the computer, it would almost just be easier to
just do it yourself because you would have to have access to the computer and the person
would have to not be able to see their screen for it to really, like, get by them.
But it was still really interesting. But, yeah, there was a bunch of different panels on different various security things,
some related to Threatwalker, some not.
But, yeah, it was fun. Cool.
Well, glad to hear you enjoyed it. I just had the screen-melting prank video playing for the peeps watching.
Oh, nice. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.
This used to be my workstation. So, Luke was sitting in my desk here.
Yeah. This was my workstation. I forget why.
But I had a magnetic Sharpie marker.
No, a magnetic Sharpie marker, a magnetic dry erase marker.
This was where one of our play buttons was stored.
This is actually my workstation, which is kind of hilarious.
Yeah, nice rig Linus says the chat. Love it.
I still have this keyboard.
Wait. Yeah. Oh, I'm back to this keyboard.
I was using a 915 for a while. Back to the 710.
Let's go. Yeah, the house was definitely a time.
All right.
Glad to hear you're enjoying the trip.
Mod makers rejoice. Valve releases the full Team Fortress 2.
Wait, no, that can't be right. Yeah, no, that's real.
That's real. That's why I wanted that included.
The TF2 SDK has arrived.
Adding all the Team Fortress 2 client and server game code.
This will allow content creators to build completely new games based on TF2.
They can change, extend or rewrite TF2, making anything from small tweaks to complete conversions possible.
Now, the catch is that it is licensed to users on a non-commercial basis,
meaning that any mod created using the SDK must be free,
and any content in those mods must be free.
But holy crap, is this ever cool?
Still super cool. Yeah, 100%.
I mean, is there anything else to say about this other than,
I can't wait for some of the wild TF2 mods that are going to exist in the coming years.
I mean, a lot of people in the chat, and I saw a lot of this online when this was first announced as well,
but fortunately or unfortunately, this will probably mean that there will be community fixes
for things that have been broken for a long time.
Yeah, it's kind of crappy that Valve won't fix it. We can finally get our update.
Looking at how big the TF2 player base is even now,
I do suspect there will be cool derivative game stuff happening, so that's cool.
What's the, what's the, like, Steve-active users TF2?
Let's see. Apparently they recently actually fixed the hacker problem.
I thought it was a bot problem though. It was both, yeah.
Oh, all right, yeah, cool. I don't know if you're going to, quote unquote, fix the hacker problem in a shooter game.
I don't think I believe that at all, but maybe they made it a little bit not as bad.
Our discussion question is, was TF2 better before or after hats and alt weapons became a thing?
And I feel like this is going to be a heated conversation,
because I know I'm extremely passionate about this subject.
I think you and I, I think potentially all three of us are going to end up on the wrong side of history here.
I'm assuming all three of us are going to say before the hats and alt weapons.
Oh, 100%. It destroyed the balance of the game.
It was, it was so finally perfectly balanced.
And then all of a sudden you don't know if the scout has the friggin' baseball bat
or the fly swatter or whatever the crap they have.
And it's like, well, now hold on just a gosh darn second here.
And it turns into instead of something, instead of being simple to pick up,
impossible to master, which is the mark of any great game,
it became flipping impenetrable to pick up because I had no idea
unless I had them or I spent hours researching what was out there.
I had no idea what kind of bullshit like weapons my opponents were going to have.
So knowing the counters is no longer intuitive.
Poll, they want a poll.
Floatplane chat wants a poll. Yeah, because like as far as my understanding goes,
the like New Age TF2 players think it's like way better the way that it is now.
But they've never played it the way that it was.
Or just boomers. No, some of them have. Some of them have.
I don't know. I have a very hard. There's people still playing now that have played forever
and they prefer the current version of the game because they see the old version as like not having legs on it.
I don't know. They wouldn't have wanted to play it this whole time, basically.
I mean, I'm not saying I agree with them to be clear.
I just there are people that are on the other side.
I'm going to vote before hats. I'm glad you guys are having crazy.
I almost immediately stopped playing when the hat.
I genuinely played it a lot. I really enjoyed it.
I have a bunch of screenshots on my on my, you know,
my old pictures folder of like my dad and I playing back in the day and stuff like that.
Like I used to play all the time. It was a game that I found you could jump into a lobby.
I mean, it was a it was a server based game, right?
So here it is. 80% before that is you could play with anyone you wanted.
So you could play with a huge range of skill levels and still have fun.
Yep.
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's not even close. It's about it's about 80% before hats.
And it's like, look, I understand people's desire for mixing things up and variety and all of that,
especially if it's a game that you play all the time. But I also think there's an argument to be made for respecting a balanced game.
Like if you, like I would never, I would never tell someone,
no, you're not allowed to play chess where pawns can move backwards.
And the Queen has like a Mario Stomp ability where when she lands on a space,
it kills everything, you know, one square radius around her.
And like, sure, make your own rules. What do you think about Fisher Random?
Do you know, do you know Fisher Random at all? No.
So Fisher Random chess is like regaining popularity.
That's referred to as chess 960.
But it's a, it's a variant of chess where the starting position of the pieces in the back rank is right.
Oh, I see. The reason why that's becoming popular right now is with the, you know,
the mass advent of computer AI chess gameplay.
It has become a like extreme memorization game instead of intuition and skill.
This is, this is the argument. I'm not necessarily saying this 100% true.
This is just the argument that I've heard. And with Fisher Random, due to the piece positions in the back being random,
and I believe the reason why it's called chess 960s,
I think there's 960% potential positions, but I don't remember.
That's very possible. That's wrong. I'm just talking about my head.
But it makes it harder to have memorized the computer lines for different potential positions.
So, so people are getting into that because they think it's more fun and dynamic.
But and so look, that's, that dramatically changes the original game of chess.
Look, I would never tell someone know you're, you're not allowed to play that game.
But what I will say is that that game is probably not balanced in the way that OG chess is.
And I don't mean that it's unfair one way or the other or it actually very well could be
because you don't know, depending on how the, the non ponds are lined up,
if white will have more or less advantage than it does with a, with a traditional,
with a traditional starting lineup. We don't, we actually, I don't, I actually don't know that.
What I suspect is it would make a difference.
Is it mirrored? It does appear to be mirrored.
Yes. It's mirrored. Yeah.
Yeah. I think it's super interesting. I've been looking into getting into it recently.
I haven't actually played it yet, but I think it sounds really cool to be honest.
But it's, it's, but it's, it feels, it's a dramatic change to the game, right?
And there's, there could be people that like the kind of memorization and, and like deep,
deep learning and deep understanding of positions style of classical chess that wouldn't like
the idea of, of Fisher random.
And I think it's a related conversation.
Luke, did you see the video from, from scratch?
I made chess 2.0. It's real time uses magnets to lock.
That is insane. The pieces down. Absolutely.
It is such a cool video. Absolutely incredible. What is this?
It's a, I made chess 2.0. Yeah. Do you want to bring it up?
What's, what's the topic you're looking at right now?
Let me see if I can find it. I'll just post it in there for you.
If we're just, if we're just posting cool videos that people should watch that we checked
out over the last week. This is a really good one.
This is an outstanding watch. I'm not going to spoil much.
This is from Bobby Ivar. He remade Super Mario World, the first couple levels in 3D.
And it is an absolute labor of love and is incredible.
I'm just going to show the first little bit again, because this is an absolutely incredible
teaser here. I'm just going to show the first little bit again, because this is an absolutely incredible
teaser here. That's so cool.
Do not miss this video. Go check it out.
And I threw the video just at the bottom of the topic.
Okay. I didn't know that was a thing we do on WAN Show, but hey, there you go.
It's just all shout outs today. Yeah, sure.
I mean, I'm down for it. Coffeezilla's video on the Argentinian president rug pull coin thing was pretty great.
Okay. Chest is boring.
There's a latency bug. You spend a half the time waiting for your opponent.
So it's got these magnet things in the base that lock the piece down after you place it.
And then each piece has a countdown timer. So both of you just play at the same time.
That is wild.
And to stop you from picking up the opponent's players.
You wear a wristband that is tied to your side of the board and the pieces individually.
I think that's what it worked.
That is super cool. Incredible work.
What a cool concept.
That's another video. You remember the DIY laptop video we covered?
It feels like that. That person has three videos on YouTube, and then they just dropped that out of nowhere.
It's just like... Yeah. Crazy.
Super cool. Wow. I love YouTube.
I don't love everything about YouTube, but I do love YouTube.
Nothing else is like it, and I'm not convinced that anything else will ever be like it.
So cool.
All right. What's next, Mr. Dan?
Well, we're going to move into WAN after dark unless you're done.
Are you done with your topics? I can talk about joining the social media app that is entirely populated with AIs.
Would you guys like to hear that?
It's old news, but I got them.
It's old news, but I came across it very recently.
There's a social media app called Aspect.
Here. Oh, I've heard of this.
Yeah. Yeah. It is AI only social media.
Be the only human post and chat.
I am not recommending it. I would like for that to be very clear right now before we get any further into this.
But what I will say is that if you were extremely lonely...
Oh, no.
I'm signing up right now. I could see this being something that as dystopian as it might be could trigger the same kind of like dopamine hit that engaging with social media does for people.
And hear me out. Stick with me for a second here.
I think might actually be healthier than real social media.
Wait. Wait.
Okay. So here's my aspect feed.
There is some hilarious stuff in here.
Okay, here, Dan. Let's go to the Linus Can.
Let's see. Can I just kind of show this to you guys?
Can you guys see it good enough? Yeah, yeah. I think you guys can see it well enough.
That's a weird argument, but I think I get you. Okay.
Hold on. Okay. So here's my aspect account.
It's basically Instagram. Okay. So here's my feed.
Rekumar posted something. I have...
Here we go. Hold on. I'm just going to clear some of my real notifications.
Okay. So here's my aspect notifications. Zoe Hartwell is following me.
Jeff Walker liked to post and commented and started following me.
Zoe Hartwell commented on so many kitties.
So I've been getting notifications from Aspect.
This is all since about mid-afternoon yesterday.
So it kind of hit me for about an hour.
And then it sort of stopped bothering because I wasn't engaging with it.
So that's something. When I stop engaging with it, it leaves me alone.
And what's kind of cool about that is that that is almost, I would say, an inherent
property to the platform because it costs them money anytime they generate something.
So they actually, unlike most social media apps, they are not incentivized to keep pushing
stuff to me because they have to pay every time they generate a reply or every time they
generate an image or something. So I'm going to go... I'm going to open up the app again.
I'm not using the paid version. So I can't actually DM other users.
And to their credit, to their credit, they are very upfront about the fact that these
are not real. So they're not pretending that you are engaging with real people unlike, again, back to Luke's
point about... Hold on.
Linus, Cam, Cam only. There we go.
Back to Luke's point about Twitter being so heavily populated by bots.
At least this one owns it, that these are all bots.
And the whole thing is kind of wholesome.
So my username is catmango because I was, I don't know, just trying to think of two random
words. So I posted this picture. Was there a mango on the table and a cat near you?
No. There was definitely, I was thinking, because I wanted to post something to it that wasn't
going to give whoever owns this any information that I care about.
So it was a picture of my cats and only my cats.
So I posted, this is 80% of my cats.
And in the last day, I've gotten 13 likes and I've gotten eight comments.
The comments are, oh my God, they're all so cute.
Aw, so many kitties. Wait, where are the other cats hiding?
This is the content I signed up for. The white one is judging me through the screen for real.
Stare away to heaven, but make it cats. My cats would definitely push each other down those stairs.
And then just like laughing cat emoji, smiley face.
And then some of those comments have engagement.
And if you pay for the premium version of the app, the engagement options go like way up.
Scrolling through my feed, there's just, there's other like users that I can see their stuff.
This guy, Rai official is super into larping and soccer.
I'm reading this for you. DM your best medieval insult.
Of course. Oh, can I message him without paying?
Okay, guys, give me a medieval insult. I'm going to send it to Rai.official.
Thou hast no wenches. No maidens.
Okay, sure. Thou hast no maidens.
Should I throw in a nave? Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever you mean. Okay.
All right. So I'm DMing with Rai. Oh, wait.
Is he replying right away? Oh, look at that. Lol, what?
So you can like, you can interact with people on the platform.
Some of the AI is very AI.
I was a big fan of this particular image.
I don't know how well you guys can see this. But his baseball bat has something coming out of the bottom of it.
He appears to be, he appears to have just thrown this soccer ball from his hand.
There's another soccer ball right in front of him.
Yeah. So some of it's, some of it's very AI.
He's holding a soccer ball in one hand, a baseball bat in the other.
There's what appears to be a golf ball at the bottom of the baseball bat.
So some of them are, some of them are a little rough.
That one struggled a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
He's definitely playing the game of sport ball because that, that much is very sure.
But I never felt bad while I was using it.
Yeah. Okay. So Rai asks, lol, what is this an Elden Ring reference?
Your profile says to DM you my best medieval insults.
Period. I was just following instructions.
Okay. So if what you were looking for was interaction with what you're doing, almost like a, like
simulating the experience of being an influencer, but with no stakes.
And you're not like bothering or spamming anybody.
I don't know, man. Maybe I just, maybe I just can't tell the difference.
Oh my God. You actually read my bio.
I don't know, man. I, uh, it's a matter of time before someone ends up completely sucked into this.
But like if you posted something embarrassing or like doxxed yourself or like whatever,
at least the stakes seem relatively low.
You know what I mean? And to be clear, the stakes could be high.
Who knows who this is. Do you think this is, do you think this is better than the extremely toxic relationship
that most people have with social media right now?
I don't know, dude. I mean, I think they're both.
Do you need some form of like external affirmation? Is this better?
I mean, it's, I, I don't know.
Cause it's hard for me to put myself in, in, cause you have to put yourself in everyone's
shoes. I think for someone, this could be better because dude, the number of posts, no offense,
no offense intended, but the number of posts that I see on social media that have literally
zero interaction, you scroll through someone's profile and they're just, they're just shouting
into a void. Nobody's listening.
Nobody's responding. Nobody's engaging with any of it.
And you like, you scroll and scroll and scroll and you're like, why are you even bothering
to post any of this?
I think this would be more fun than just shouting into a void at least, but is it like a, is
it like a, it's an artificial fun.
It's definitely an artificial fun, but like, and the downsides, man, what are the downsides?
I don't think we could possibly at this stage in the game.
I don't think we could possibly even understand the downsides yet.
Yeah. I'm sure there are downsides.
I don't, I don't think we fully understand the downsides of social media as it is.
No, no. I don't think we could possibly understand this one if we don't even understand what we already
have. Nigev said, if it ran locally, it'd be a really cool way to keep a diary.
Oh, dude, I was thinking about that the other day. Like what I want is a social media app where I just like take a picture and then I just
like, yeah, put my phone and then it just like makes a timeline for me, like a, like
a, like a, like a journaling and I don't have to share it with anybody.
It's like kind of like what Instagram used to be where it's like you take pictures and
you like talk about what you were doing at that time instead of just being the dumpster
fire that it is now. Syphilis says you want live journal.
Yeah. Apparently. Isn't that it's what Facebook was supposed to be.
Yeah. Exactly. But just like, you know, you don't share it with anybody if you don't want to.
And now, and that is a thing that was, did exist on these other platforms before, but
everything's been pushed to make more and more and more of it public.
Apparently there's one called day one says pug boy 1321 day one app day one journal your
life. The number one journaling app. Okay.
Well, I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to check that out.
Oh, is it only iOS? Of course it would be typical.
Also, I'm not paying monthly for it. I want something self-hosted.
Of course it's iOS only.
Brilliant.
All right. What else we got? Sorry.
I don't know. I just, I came across my, it came across my news feed even though it was kind of old
news and I just installed it.
I never just like install an app just to try it for loss, but I was like, oh yeah, sure
it's old news, but what won't be old news is me actually trying it.
So I thought, I thought I'd check it out. I think for some people it's like genuinely, it might actually be better.
Like if people feel like they need the type of whatever, affirmation, acknowledgement
that you get whatever it is from, from social media, but they also understand that it's
like damaging them in some way, then being able to reach out and use this thing seems
like it could be like genuinely just better.
Even though it sounds like kind of horrific, that might be true because current social
media use is also horrific. So like, I don't, yeah, I don't know.
Willing Spies says, what if I like shouting into the void?
Well, then I'm sorry to have disappointed you by acknowledging your message in float
plane chat. Hey, I got him.
Rysau speaking of shouting into the void. Yes, yes, I see you.
NVIDIA confirms rare RTX 5090 and 5070TI manufacturing issue where some of the
ROPs are just like gone.
Yeah. Average graphical performance impact is 4%.
Affected consumers can contact the board manufacturer for replacement.
It seems to me that the board manufacturers should probably contact the customers.
Definitely be doing the reach out and not the other way around.
Yeah, that's really silly. Okay.
Man, could this launch, could this launch go worse?
Like at this point? Probably more of them could catch on fire.
Oh, we've got a fix for that, by the way.
Yeah, I was hoping you'd lean into that.
I'll be right back. I'll be right back. Oh, okay.
All right. If you want to do a topic really quick, I'll be right back.
Yeah. Do we have any topics? Sure.
Let me look.
LZT uploaded our CPU holders to printables.
You guys asked and we delivered our print on printables.
You can find our custom CPU holders that we use here.
Included is holders for LGA 17xx, LGA 20xx and LGA 115x along with AM4 and AM5.
We hope to keep adding more fun stuff that we make to printables.
So feel free to follow us there. And disclaimer, if you choose to print and store CPUs in our holders,
we are not responsible for any damage that it might cause.
We have personally had zero issues with them. But, you know, it is what it is.
Don't come screaming at us if you have a problem.
That's it. Happy that we have those out there.
I love our CPU holders. So I'm happy that you guys are able to have access to them as well.
And I suspect, you know, if we add more in the future,
that they'll be uploaded there as well. What else is there?
We have an update to a topic that we talked about in the past.
The UK wants access to your data and Apple is giving it to them,
but in a different way than you might expect.
Apple has stopped offering the advanced data protection or ADP to new users in the UK.
They're end-to-end encryption for iCloud.
After the UK security services requested backdoor access to worldwide users encrypted backups.
It will still require a warrant for your data to be shared with law enforcement,
but without ADP, Apple or hackers can more easily access your files
without physically using one of your devices.
The discussion question is disabling ADP better than Apple giving backdoor to encrypted data.
Both Google and Meta still have end-to-end encryption services in the UK.
And what is this one? Why did UK be like this?
It's pretty good. I like that.
I don't know. It's a weird move.
I think it's because they don't want to set precedent for the states.
I don't agree with... They don't want to open the box in regards to adding backdoors.
So they like yoloed super hard and went dramatically in the other direction.
I don't agree with Tim Sweeney about everything, but I think his response to this was about right.
I don't know if you've already talked about it, but he basically goes, why are we applauding this?
Apple refused to open up a backdoor, so they opened the front door.
Like this is... Yeah.
Sorry, what? Yeah, I can definitely understand.
Because if they open a backdoor,
first of all, it is almost guaranteed that that will leak at some point.
So a nefarious actor will be able to access it anyways.
And then the other part is you're just basically telling the states that it's possible
and the states has wanted this forever. So I think they really want to avoid setting the precedents there
because it would just ruin everything for everyone.
So I understand that. But I don't know if this was...
Whoa, chat, whoa, whoa, chill, chill.
No one here is saying Apple should have opened a backdoor.
We are not saying that. We're saying that if Apple actually had any principles
and actually cared about user privacy, then they would not open the front door either.
They would do neither of those things.
There you go. Hope that helps.
What would you have them do?
Because I've seen your argument here.
And I think that's what I've been stuck on the whole time.
It's like, okay, what do they do then? What should they do?
They should stop selling iPhones in the UK. The people will rebel immediately
and the UK government is going to have to back down.
That's what happens. They should be like, no, our customer privacy is an integral part of our brand.
If we can't serve our customers privately, we withdraw from the UK.
That's the principle thing to do. That's the right thing to do.
And yeah, no corporation is going to do that.
Certainly not Apple. But my point is just that then we need to stop pretending
that Apple gives two shits about user privacy.
This is the same company that keeps all their Chinese user data
in Chinese controlled data centers
because the Chinese government told them to and Apple just wants that Chinese citizen money
so badly that they'll just say, okay, well, we care so, so huggy-muggy much about privacy
except when we just, like, don't, I guess.
So that's fine. If you have no principles whatsoever, then that's fine.
So stop telling me you do. That's fine.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I know that hurts the profits, D-Doc, exactly.
But the right thing for them to do is just not turn off their encryption.
That's it. That's the right thing for them to do.
Yeah, turning up the encryption is brutal.
What do you have for us?
And Nea asks, can Apple completely withdraw from the UK?
How does that impact their licensing with ARM, IRC, their UK company?
Again, it's not going to happen, though.
Like, if immediately every iPhone user
was not able to use their Apple services on their iPhone
in a way that they notice, because right now, they just, probably most of the users
who don't follow the news don't realize that these things are broken
and that they're going to be broken and that this is eroding their privacy in the background.
They don't notice, right? So if Apple did this in a way
where they mobilized their user base to say, hey, don't allow this to happen.
This is what your government is doing. That would be based.
That would be awesome. But they're not. They're just going, oh, I'm sorry, sir,
let us just degrade the service,
degrade our service for our customers.
Which, by the way, Apple is not what you sold your customers.
You didn't sell them that. You sold them privacy.
You sold them encryption. So no, no, it's lame.
It's not cool. Oh.
So I'm not going to get into too much detail about this.
Not going to get into too much detail about this. Yeah, you can't spoil everything.
I'm surprised you.
But after speaking with,
after speaking with Lucas from the Labs,
I was told that that idea that I had last week
where NVIDIA could fix their issue with the weak connection
in their 12 volt 2 by 6 power connector.
We could fix that by just using like an XT60
or an XT90 connector like we use on RC cars.
Lucas from the lab informed me that that's silly Linus.
The XT90 is only rated for 40 amps of continuous power.
So if you wanted to power an RTX 5090 with an XT series connector,
you'd need an XT120, not an XT90, you silly goose.
We had a bit of a conversation about it.
You wanted to sanity check it. I said, I said send it.
I'm excited to see that. Yeah, so that'll be a video.
That'll involve some, I'm not going to spoil anything about anything,
but that's a thing that exists right now.
That was not mocked up. That was not fake.
That was an XT120 on an RTX 5090.
I'm so proud of you Linus.
Oh man. Yeah, it's going to be a fun video, Crystal.
It's going to be a really fun video. In other news, we have finally followed through
on the promise that I made a thousand years ago
and we have uploaded our custom CPU holders
that we use to printables.
Do you guys talk about this already? Briefly. Yes.
Oh, but we didn't show them off. Oh. All right.
Well, here they are. We have 17XX, 20XX, 11XX, AM4, and AM5 holders
up on printables for your organization needs.
We use a finishing nail for the hinge thing, I believe,
but you can kind of use any piece of metal and remix culture aloud.
Let's go. I am so excited for some of the cool stuff
that we are uploading because this is all stuff that has existed and that we've had for a long time
and just have not bothered to upload for you guys.
I don't even remember this. I completely forgot about this.
Anyway, the point is we're trying to get as much of our cool stuff up here as possible.
We're trying to get through the archives. And this was a big one that many of you
have been asking for for years. We do have other ones.
We have some Xeon and Epic ones. And I think that, I think I saw Jamie on Reddit saying
that we will consider throwing those ones up as well
if there's any demand for them. But this is most of the consumer stuff.
So, yes, use at your own risk. Use at your own risk.
Rysaw said, help us understand what takes so long
to get things uploaded to printables. What takes so long is that I ask for something to be done.
And realistically, it's not really part of anybody's job.
It's not part of anybody's job description. It's not part of their regular job duties
or the tasks that help them feed themselves
and their families. So just because I asked for something to be done
doesn't necessarily mean that, you know,
someone is going to be highly motivated
to take time out of their busy schedule and busy life
to do something that doesn't do anything
for their quarterly KPIs. So it was just a matter of making sure that, you know,
this was a priority and, you know,
there are risks with releasing anything. Like if we release something like this
and, you know, someone breaks a bunch of CPUs or whatever, that could potentially be our liability.
Probably not, right? I don't think so.
But I never know. Like I've talked about this before, guys.
I'm not a litigious person. You know, I'm not into that.
I've never sued anybody. I never want to.
But that doesn't mean that I don't have to be aware
of how other people work, right? And you never know when someone's going to, like,
bung something up and come after you for it, right?
So, yeah, I think there's some... I think for some people in the leadership team,
there's some kind of stress there around it. It's also just like, it's another project.
Like when you upload it, it's not just a matter of just, like, uploading it.
Somebody has to kind of, like, maintain the account
and continue uploading. And it's like, does someone really want another task?
Is there comments on it? Do we need to respond to something?
Yeah. That if we release another...
If some 3D printed thing that we make shows up in a video
and it wasn't uploaded on there, are people going to complain about it?
Does it end up creating negative sentiment that way? Yeah.
If that happens, does this end up becoming busy work for the long run?
Like, there's all these... Yeah, I don't know. I'm happy we did it.
I think it's really cool. I think we should keep doing it, but there are gunk in the gears
with practically anything you do publicly.
Nothing. Nothing is as simple as just do it.
You're an organization bigger than 5 or 10 people.
You need buy-in. You need conversation. You need consensus, right?
At least if you're trying to run something sustainable
that doesn't suck. All right.
So our last topic is PewDiePie replaced my PC.
What? Which I knew. I knew.
He hasn't used it for, like, a thousand years because it got broken in transit.
I think he might have given it to one of his editors or something like that.
Yeah. PewDiePie built a gaming PC for apparently the first time.
I was kind of thinking of doing, like, a React video,
but I honestly thought there wouldn't be that much to react to
given that it's mostly just him making a video.
Like, he didn't stream it or anything.
So in his characteristic, high-energy way,
he built a gaming PC. Pretty cool.
What are we looking at here? I saw a lot of people... Wait, he's not running Windows.
He's running Linux? Yeah, right?
That was not on my 2025 Bingo card.
I saw some ordinary gamers in the comments.
I was like, oh, what did they come and say? And I was like, what?
What distro?
And how is the comments not just entirely people yelling at him
about his distro choice? Yeah, I know, right?
What happened to... Wait, Linux Mint?
Oh, well, that's sick. He's so based.
All right, let's go. Maybe that's why no one's yelling at him.
Anyway, it's like a pretty sick machine. He didn't mention what GPU he was using,
so that's pretty funny. He talked about some of his struggles,
including talking about inserting the RAM wrong,
struggling with which way the fans blow when they're installed on the cooler.
He apparently ended up switching out almost all the parts throughout the build since he couldn't get them to work
in the case or some other issue came up in it. But in the end, it booted.
And he installed Windows. And he installed Linux.
He did not install Windows. Discussion question.
Is building PCs that easy? We always hear it's easy as building its adult Lego,
but as seen by this and other videos, people can struggle with it.
And I think, honestly, that's not much of a discussion question. That's just a fact.
And we have to not end up in our little bubble
where we think this stuff is simple and anyone should be able to do it
because that's an elitist bulls*** attitude and we should try to be a welcoming.
So welcome. Welcome to the PC building crew, PewDiePie.
Now I will never have to build you a computer again,
which is good because that was a nightmare. It took forever and then it broke in shipping
and it was the whole thing. All right, is it time to shift after dark?
All right, let's do it.
Oh, good gravy. There's a bunch of merge messages today.
That makes sense with the framework hoodie.
We're in magenta mode. Nice.
All right. Mr. Sebastian, Mr. Lafaynier and Daddy Dan.
I'm trying to get into older JRPGs. Give me your recommendations to start with.
Chrono trigger. Easy.
It's a masterpiece. I just replayed Final Fantasy 6
and I love Final Fantasy 6,
but I replayed Chrono Trigger, I think, two years ago
and...
It's better.
Wow. Wow. That's a big...
That's a big thing for Linus to say. I feel like Linus just grew as a person in that.
I think we just watched and heard it happen.
That's wild. It was hard.
It was hard to do. It was hard to do. Final Fantasy 6 is an incredible game.
I do wonder how much of my problem is that the Pixel Remaster has like balance issues
and bugs that are bothering me a lot more than the balance issues and bugs
in the original release. I don't know.
I don't know right now. Hard to say. But what I will say is that
playing the original cart version of Chrono Trigger
a couple of years ago, it was just engrossing. I couldn't put it down.
Whereas Final Fantasy 6, I played through...
I think I'm through about 75, 80% of the game now
and I put it down and I stopped playing. And that did not happen with Chrono Trigger.
Yeah. If you want to actually finish the game
play Chrono Trigger, it's just so good.
It's so good. With the news of some 5090s missing ROPs,
does this change your mind getting the 5090 yourself?
And will you also check to see if the card Labs used
was affected? If so, will you rerun benchmarks?
Yeah, it'd be a good idea to check our cards.
I doubt that they are, given that we have multiple cards
and we would have noticed if our runs were off here and there.
We also double-checked our results
with some of our friends in the media and with NVIDIA themselves before release
just to make sure that we're all kind of on the same page and everything is as expected.
The last thing you want to do is publish your review
and it turns out, oh yeah, I was missing some ROPs.
Especially when that kind of thing is easily avoidable
by just collaborating.
So yeah, I'm sure it's fine, but I wouldn't be a bad idea for us to double-check, yeah.
Oh, as for whether I'm getting one, you'll have to wait for the upcoming video
where I, Ploof and I both announce our final decisions.
Hey, WAN.DL. That's still upcoming? Oh, sorry.
Isn't that out? No, it's not out yet. Was that not the 8K gaming video?
4K gaming, because neither of us has an 8K monitor.
We don't give two shits out games at 8K. That was just for fun. Got it.
Okay, okay, okay. Hey, WAN.DL.
I started playing ANNA 1800 based on watching the show
and I love it. Wanted to know if Luke plays on his own at all.
I'm a computer science major. I think it's a game for tech nerds and developers.
Yeah, I do. I have, I prefer playing with Linus,
but I have definitely played by myself as well.
I think it's a game for any kind of obsessive personality.
Fun fact. At least I think this is a fact or it might be a factoid,
which fun fact is a fake fact, but can also mean real fact.
ANNO 1602, from my understanding, was the first or one of the first
video games that had a nearly even split across the sexes.
It was almost equally played by women and men.
That's cool. I don't know where I got that from,
but I believe they were like very surprised by the demographics.
Man, I, hold on.
Women, here we go.
Okay, by 2000, Sunflower noticed a high proportion of inexperienced players
and women in the ANNO fan base,
which it attributed to the game's design goal of play without stress.
Personally, I don't actually find it unstressful.
You can put it on easier difficulties.
ANNO 1602 was stressful.
There is not enough cloth.
People are starving.
Sorry.
There's an ANNO subreddit that's all about beauty building
and they just play on like really easy difficulties.
ANNO 1602 was hard.
Der Spiegel's Richard Lohenstein cited ANNO as an early computer game
to draw female players. He claimed in 2002 that approximately 25% of its buyers were women.
Likewise, called the game's number of female players an absolute novelty
before the Sims and reported that women made up a nearly 50% of ANNO 1602 customers.
So I'm not sure what the exact numbers are, but yes, I clearly got this from somewhere that ANNO 1602 was like a shockingly successful game
with the fairer sex and that was sort of very surprising to basically everyone involved
back then. Like women did not, like video games were first,
wedding nerdy dudes. It was not like it is today.
I mean, even today, women tend to get treated differently in multiplayer lobbies.
You know, I would say the acceptance factor has not fully reached the level that it needs to get at.
I think that's a fair statement.
But back then, that was far less of a societally acceptable thing for sure.
Hey, DLL framework has created a neat ecosystem for creating custom modules.
What sort of user made modules would you be interested to see the most?
Hold on, someone says to check the citation for this. So I'm going to check that.
No, you guys go ahead first. Luke, what do you want?
I'm still up on cup holder.
You're still up on cup holder? Sorry, what's the question again?
For the framework custom modules.
Oh, yeah. What about a Ducky module?
What would that be? I'm getting the face.
I don't know. What would that be?
That would be so weird, because you'd have to find someone with a framework,
and then instead of just plugging the Ducky in,
you'd have to like take one of their modules out and put your module in?
Yeah, I mean, it could work.
I just, huh, yeah, interesting.
Oh, Wizard 1973 says flipper module.
That's probably a little bit more realistic.
Yeah, actually, that'd be kind of sick. It's a little big.
It would end up like sticking out of your laptop,
but that would be pretty cool. The modules have either been solved by framework or the community already
that I would actually like want,
because there are many community-made modules.
Yeah. I don't know. Sorry, I don't have a great answer for this.
I think Linus is still looking for these citations.
I don't really understand what I'm supposed to see in them, so I'm just going to move on for now.
Hi, LLD. I was wondering if you had any advice on getting sponsorships,
things to watch out for or how to become appealing to a company for a sponsorship?
Make content that gets lots of views.
That's a start.
Be fair, but not hostile and aggressive in your approach.
If you can get enough views, almost no matter who you are,
someone will sponsor you. I would say that make sure that your sponsor outreach is to brands
that align with your persona and your image.
It also depends a little bit on your niche. I know of one creator in particular that they got a sponsor deal
that was a lot of people talk about CPM.
How much money do you get per 1,000 views?
This person got a $1 per view deal.
What? And has gotten that multiple times.
What? This is not a one-time thing.
And it's because their niche is professionals within a market
that tend to spend a lot of money on the thing that this creator educates about.
Okay, so they're getting like, you know, 700 views on a video,
but those 700 views are literally the 700 people in the world
who manage their organizations, whatever, for this.
Yeah, and it was a lot more than 700 views.
They're not an enormous creator. No, no, I know.
I just mean like, it's a very, very niche topic
and it is for only people who care deeply about that niche
and are spending money.
It's the one, the particular one.
I know this is a thing that happens in certain niches.
The particular one that I'm talking about is surprisingly not as niche
as you might think I can tell you after the show. No, no, I know who you're talking about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting.
And like, I've heard of, I've heard tale of similar things
in other really small niches as well. A lot of it comes down to like, yeah, who is your audience?
Traditionally, fairly notoriously, like gaming content on YouTube
has just horrible CPMs because your audience is like...
These days, but it used to be really, really bad.
Probably. It used to skew really, really young.
Yeah. So there was very little buying power and a lot of the games
that were really popping off in regards to what people were covering
were things like, like happy wheels and stuff. So like none of it was like turning into spending power.
But the second you get into...
Yeah, like, I mean, Limes has talked about this for years now
about how he's been talking about how there's been a trend
towards smaller, more focused creators.
And I think this leans towards that as well. If you're covering a part of the market,
that is financially purchased, motivated people,
that often leans to professionals or hyper enthusiasts
that are going to buy something that has a lot of margin,
which again, professionals and hyper enthusiasts,
your view count can still be pretty low and you can potentially get sponsors
if these sponsors have real good money.
Or you can be a tiktoker that's getting hundreds of millions of views a month
and be working a day job. I've seen that too.
Yeah, that's like the complete other end of the spectrum
and they both totally exist, coexist.
It's weird, yeah.
Up next. Hey, DL and Remote L.
How do the credits work on videos?
What does each role typically do? Director, art director, production manager, etc.
I see Linus as director of most videos and was curious.
It depends on a video to video basis.
Sometimes it can be a little bit different
and that is all I have to say about that.
Hello, Wansho, looking forward to seeing a cat or three in this comfy CRT.
Nice. Do you think there's a solution for the growing tech literacy
among younger people?
I mean, no.
They don't learn because they don't need to
and I'm not going to tell people,
well, stuff should be more broken
and crappier and harder to use so that you have to learn it.
Most people shouldn't need to learn coding.
Super cool if you want to and that's awesome
and like power to you, go, go, go, go, go.
But, you know, we need tech for so much of our daily lives
and not everyone who needs to use it
should need to be intimately familiar with how to fix it.
Yeah, especially how to fix it, to be honest, these days.
I mean, there's a reason why all those old tech repair shops
are starting to fade away
because it's not needed as much anymore.
And it's not even as possible.
Harris asks, but what about touch typing?
Yeah.
I do believe very strongly that touch typing
is an invaluable life skill and I insist that all my kids can do it,
but I don't know, man.
Other than parents intervening, I don't really know what anyone can do
about people not learning to type. This is when I flex my blank white ceramics at home.
Nice. It was a mistake.
Hello, Wansho, looking forward to seeing the same
message that I read. Linus, have you ever tried dirt biking?
No. I would probably really enjoy it,
but I'm getting pretty old and breakable
to do stuff like that these days.
Hey, Linus, Luke and Lan, what do you think is the most interesting
or consequential lawsuit or legal battle ever related in the tech industry?
I'm curious to know what you guys think was the most important.
Honestly, I think the most important legal battles are ones that have just kind of not taken place.
I mean, how did the U.S. pay so much
for all that internet infrastructure to be built out
back in the 90s or whatever, 90s or 2000s,
I can't remember, and then have the ISPs just like f***ing not do it
and then just let that go.
Rug it off, yeah. Actually wild.
It's like, dude, what? Yeah, that was the beginning of some form of end.
I don't know which end, but that was the beginning of something. That was brutal.
Rysau says USA versus Microsoft. See, I would have called that consequential
if anything ever happened.
Well, no, it did. Oh, temporarily.
No, no, no, it stopped.
The consequence of that was that they stopped doing that.
Yeah, for a bit. For, I mean, a long time.
It didn't stop any of their competitors from doing it and it didn't stop Microsoft from going back to the...
Not Microsoft. The government.
Sorry, sorry, sorry. The government, what? Oh, oh, oh, oh, sure, sure, sure.
Yes, they stopped. They stopped filing these antitrust.
Yeah. And then they just... Sorry, I thought you meant Microsoft stopped
their bad behavior. I was like, what are you even talking about?
A little bit. Yeah, no, the government just completely walked back
and stopped doing that entirely. It was...
Yeah, it was a wild dude. Until Lena Khan.
And then... No, she's gone.
So it is what it is. Yeah. Lena, we're still waiting for you to come up here
and run for Prime Minister, by the way. I'm still into it.
Yeah, me too. Linus, I'm thinking of moving my 13-year-old son's PC
into his bedroom for his birthday. Any suggestions on software settings to help
keep him out of quote, unquote, trouble? Give up now.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Don't bother.
That's the present. You're moving his computer into his bedroom
for his birthday? His permission.
I don't know how else to say that, buddy.
That is what it is. Moving on.
Hi there.
Should I buy the Ryzen 9800X3D right now,
or should I wait? There are many cases of them dying right now.
7800X3D? I've seen a handful of cases of them dying.
I don't think I've seen many.
I mean, yeah, I'd buy a 7800X3D right now.
Sure. Yeah. Recently, you mentioned getting a break
from your day-to-day. I do the same. What kind of things do you three do
to give yourself a mental break?
I go have a conversation in person that I could have had via chat.
That's a big one for me. I get up off of my ass,
and I go walk to talk to someone, which realistically, when you account for
the delay of them, like, responding to you,
isn't really any slower, and it gives me a chance to
get up, move my legs a little bit, refocus, and then I, when I come back to my desk,
I'm ready to do something else.
I'm kind of weird in the way that I find,
like, some people struggle with context switching.
I find if I don't context switch enough,
I'll, like, burn out on a task. So I'll have, like, for any given day,
I'll have, like, A, B, C, and D tasks.
And if I notice I start, like, slowing down, working on task A,
I'll just switch, and then switch, and then switch, and then switch,
and then switch, and just keep going. That's ADHD, yeah, but I, like,
prepare myself for it to make sure that there is something
appropriate for me to ADHD, too, if that makes sense.
I always have executive dysfunction.
Yeah, I'll take it, I'll take it, yeah. It's, it's,
yeah, I just, I understand how my brain works, and I allow myself
to still be properly, highly productive within that,
within those confines, I guess. Twice today, Sad Linus Plain,
who asked, how often do you really go right to someone, talk to them
and go right back to your desk? Yeah, I went and talked to Jamie
about whether we had a FizzX card, and forget who I was talking to
in the, in the writing room about something, but yeah, I just, like, got up and went
and chatted with them. I, I have done that as well.
I often use, I don't know if this is appropriate or not, I often use,
you just mentioned Jamie, I use logistics for some reason, I, I almost always
talk to them in person. I don't send them a Fizz message.
It does seem to magpie all of them when people come and visit, so
I'm just pointing that out. You can talk to me.
I don't do it that often, you know. I don't do, I don't do that often, but.
Go bother Labs. Yes, I did field Earthquake today.
I wasn't sure if it was a big truck going by, it felt too big to be a big truck,
but yeah, there was an Earthquake in our area was that an Earthquake?
And then I lost track of it and then I went to the washroom and then
I talked to people about the Earthquake because my aunt texted me and said that there was an Earthquake.
So I talked to people about the Earthquake today too. I could have done that via text
or I could have looked it up on my computer but instead I went and talked to people about it.
Just a little one. Small Earthquake. When you want to move up
to your boss's position, he's retiring soon, how would you go about
talking to your boss if they are very closed off? Also, big and tall when?
I need a 6XL in the screensaver shirt as soon as possible. If your boss is very
closed off to you, I have some bad news for you. You probably
aren't getting the position. But,
I mean, you never know they might respect you for bringing it up
and asking the question had they announced that they're retiring soon?
Because I probably wouldn't I probably wouldn't say, hey,
so when you retire, can I have your job if they haven't actually said that they're
going to retire? Because that might be awkward. Maybe they aren't planning to retire
even though you think they should retire. I don't know what your dynamics are.
You could open it with, hey, I think you should retire soon.
How do you want to navigate that? They'll definitely take that totally well for sure.
Yeah. Slash S, big slash S there.
I mean... Let me tell you,
have I ever
Can I have your watch when you're dead, says E-Gaggett
guy in the Floatplane chat. Yeah.
Now he's taking that to the cold art grave. If they've actually talked about it,
then I would say I would say, like,
express your interest. Just say, hey, you know, what do you think
I would need to work on to
to be qualified to
for a promotion. You don't even have to say their job specifically
because that could be awkward. I've got an angle for you. Sure. If you want to disconnect it
a little bit so it sounds far from a threat. I watched this
movie on the plane. But there's the movie of...
I'd probably figured out the actual title of the movie. But there's the movie of the guy who
invented flaming hot Cheetos. A big part of that movie is that he
watched a video from the CEO of whatever it was, Laze.
And the CEO said that he wanted more
people at the company to think like a CEO. And you can be like, oh, I was inspired by this
movie. I wanted to do more on the workplace. So I wanted to understand more about your
thought process and how you move the company forward so I can contribute
better. Because then it shows initiative and doesn't go across like a threat.
Yeah. Can I have your monitor arms when you leave?
You know, also when you leave it. Birdie Num Num's credit for
that one Floatplane chat. Okay. As for Big and Tall, we're still working
on it. I don't think we're going to get that in the screen
saver shirts anytime soon though. I'm sorry.
Hey, Linus, Luke and Dan.
Considering the layoffs, when do you think the tech employment market will
get better? What tech do you see increasing in demand?
Concerned computer engineering major here. I do not see
a dawn
after this night on the horizon.
Nope. People are saying never with LLMs,
but honestly, I've talked about this a few times, so it's a little exhaustive at this
point, but there was a hiring practice that was happening in Silicon Valley
where people were like, offensively hiring.
There was many managers that had
bonuses tied to how many people they could hire,
and the approach was, hey, if we hire everybody,
none of the other companies can have anyone that's any good.
And then, I guess,
collectively everybody decided yeah, that was silly.
Let's stop doing that. Because we're paying a bunch of people that we
like, yeah, anyways. Luke talked about this behind the scenes
a lot, where he's like, this is ridiculous, because I can't hire anybody
at like a normal company where we're paying based on
sort of the value that we can
create in our product. The numbers just don't make any sense,
like how much revenue we can drive, and what development
it takes to build a product, like this is insanity.
And it turns out that in the long term, Luke was right.
The whole thing was completely an unsustainable house of cards, and everybody sort
of got, everyone sort of looked at each other and went, this is ridiculous.
What are we even doing at around the same time post COVID, and
we're still in recovery from that.
Oh yeah, for sure. I completed about that on my show and had
hiring managers from some companies
reach out to talk to me about it, and one of them was super open
and was talking about how like
they would get budgets for hiring people
that were just enormous,
but they wouldn't have roles.
What? They just had budgets to hire people.
And this is like, I'm not going to need the company.
You all know the company that I'm talking about.
And they were talking about how like, yeah, it was my job
to just beat other recruiters because we wanted to deny
these people from working at these other companies, but then
maybe we'll find something for them to do,
maybe we'll just work on some garbage for a while, who knows.
But yeah, I'm like, okay, cool. So I'm competing against that.
Neat.
Pretty awesome. Best Buy?
No, sorry, I'm not talking about Best Buy.
That's the only one I'm going to confirm or deny, but it was definitely not Best Buy.
Cool. All right, Dan.
I got another one here for Luke. You're talking about going to games
at the University of Arizona Stadium. Are you aware of the world class
large format, a 0.6 meter telescope mirror production
lab in the A located in the stadium?
Love the show. No.
What? Very cool though.
In the A in the stadium? I think that's probably something
I don't know. I've never been to the University of Arizona.
I'm sure there's a giant head because it's University of Arizona,
but I don't... That sounds wild.
No, I didn't know. The A in quotation mark.
Ah, just A. Richard something
mirror lab. What am I even looking at here? Richard Karris
mirror laboratory. Sorry, where is it though?
Is it in the stadium? No?
No. Oh, okay.
Sorry, where is it? It's in the A in quotation marks.
I don't know what that means. Is this the A?
No, he asked about the stadium and then separately.
Oh, okay. I've only got 180 characters, guys.
Yeah. Yeah.
In the A. In the A.
Okay. The University of Arizona
also has, slash, had a tree ring research lab
in the football stadium. Apparently the mirror lab is under the stadium.
It is under the stadium. Under the A.
So literally... Literally in the A.
Yes, it is in the A. Okay. It is under the stadium because that...
It is under the plant stadium. They also have a secret lab below it?
Yeah. America, really.
Classic America. That's incredible.
Good job, America. Yeah.
If only you were as good at hockey as you were at building a...
mirror lab in your stadium. Ney, immortal words of Linus.
Got him. Hello, Linus and Duke and Lan.
What are the keepsakes do you always get when you travel?
I do patches and also want to know if I can add them to the community backpack.
Thank you. Don't iron them. You can sew them on.
Your mileage may vary. Like anything, when you put holes in it,
you know, whatever, holes are in it. I used to do key chains for my kids
and they got to the point where each of them had about eight pounds of key chains
and I was starting to struggle to find new ones that they didn't already have
their text on it. It turns out there's only so many key chains in the world
and so I stopped. Hi, Dynus, Duke and Lan.
I'm always impressed by how up-to-date you stay with the tech news.
What's your preferred news aggregator? PS iPhone 16e will do
iPhone 16. What pixel 8a did to pixel 8?
Tongue twister. I use Google's news feed
but honestly, I don't think it's great. If I was going to
if I was going to pay for something I'd probably pay for ground news
but I am such a kind of idle
consumer of news that I haven't bothered yet.
Hey, DLL. I just got my commuter bag today and I love it.
Question for Linus. I'd like to be more articulate and well-spoken
in client presentations. Do you have any tips on how to improve your public speaking?
Watch yourself back. Oh, God.
Anytime you get bored, record it again.
Do it over. Having dynamism in your delivery
is really important. Monotone is so hard to listen to
and the pacing is important too. See that pause I did there? Monotone
is so hard to listen to. You have to change up the pacing as well.
So you have to change the tone and you have to change the pacing
and you have to make sure that you are emphasizing the points that are most important.
If you can do that. I've fallen into this
I've fallen into this as well where
you just start like going turbo mode and you just talk like super, super, super, super fast.
I mean, I've seen tons of people fall into it especially when people are nervous.
Just try to try to breathe and stay calm
and keep your pace reasonable because you can't do the things that Linus
is just describing when you're going 10,000 miles a minute.
So that can help by going through things, repeating things,
having done it in a mere bunch of times so that it's second nature when you're up there.
But yeah, try not to go away too fast.
Hey, DLL. I'm in pursuit of my BS
in computer science, not computer science.
And often have a feeling of imposter syndrome. Do any of you ever
or have ever felt that way? How do you manage it?
I think everyone probably feels that to a degree. I think if they don't
there's probably something wrong with them like they probably
have overconfidence issues because part of knowing
anything about anything is knowing that you
don't really know much about most things. Just do your best.
I think that's the most important thing. Just tell yourself and tell everyone
around you, yeah, I'm doing my best. That's the way that I respond
and I really do believe it. Whenever someone tells me, oh man, you make the best videos
I'm like, I do my best. Because I don't make the best videos.
Obviously they feel that way in that moment. They're having an emotional moment or whatever
but I'm not. I'm here grinding out making the best
video I can every day. Is it a
certified banger every once in a while? Sure.
But it's not going to be the best and that's okay.
I'm going to do my best and as long as I'm actually doing my best
I can tell myself that with confidence. I can tell other people that with confidence
and that's all that anyone can ask of you.
Other than... There was a cool
quote that came out of...
What is it? It's from a book,
A Man on the Moon, The Voyages of the Apollo Astronauts
by Andrew Sheikin and the quote is
it won't fail because of me and it sounds
really like arrogant at first but it's actually
it's not. What your means is that
you'll put the work in to make sure that your contribution to this thing
is handled. With the Apollo stuff there's so many
different systems that had to all work together and there was no way that you as an individual
could oversee everything but what you could do
is put as much work and as much effort as you possibly can into your little thing.
So you know you'll...
I think you said you're in school right now and you're going to be assigned to some task
and once that happens it doesn't matter if you feel like you're ready for it or not
you're in it so just do everything you can to do a good job
and don't let it fail because of you.
Other than disclaimer, this output may be wrong.
How would you test the output of an LLM integrated into a product?
That sounds like a pretty good disclaimer.
You can't really. Yeah, you can't. You never know
what it's going to do, what it's going to say.
Yep. So put more disclaimers.
Yeah, all the disclaimer.
Lurker here. DLL this year I get married
and get to welcome my first baby girl. Yay, congrats.
Do you have any life advice or tips for me in my new upcoming journey?
Part of me is excited and part of me is scared. Harness both of those parts.
Because what's coming is going to be the best thing ever
and it's also going to be terrifying. Have fun.
I agree Apple QA has gone down. I found the best way to deal with issues
like Linus had instead of restoring from backup is to set up a new phone
then import your stuff back. Backups cause issues.
Well, I set this up as a new phone so hypothesis
defeated. Yeah, sure. That is
good. But for someone like me, if a manufacturer tells me
reset your phone and start over I am throwing that phone in the garbage
and I am moving on to something else. That is for the amount of time that that takes me
I don't work for you. You just assigned me somewhere between
three and five hours of work. No.
And that's totally unreasonable of me. It is perfectly
okay for a manufacturer to say, hey, try a complete
factory reset. But I won't do that.
That's actually not worth it for me.
At D and L and at L and L
loving my commute. I bought a 14 inch thing pad to fit
in it. Do you think RTX add-in cards could be
the way forward for AMD maybe expandable cam module
RAM in future GPUs? I learned something
recently and you guys will get a video soon.
But no, I don't think cam is going to work for GPUs. Even onboard GPUs
you'll get more details in an upcoming video in the next week or so.
It's a bummer, but it is my belief that that's just not happening.
As for like ray tracing add-in cards
I don't think we're going to see that either. I think that with how
integrated this ray tracing functionality
needs to be with the GPU. The fact that needs to read from the VRAM
or sorry, work with the VRAM as it's working memory.
These functional units are integral
to rendering. They're not going to be able to just be on an add-in card.
I don't think co-processors are coming back anytime soon
pretty much. Glad you love your commuter bag though.
Thanks for the great hoodie. Linus, have you ever had any ankle injuries playing
badminton? What was your rehabilitation routine like? I had my ankle injury
recently and it sucks. Ankle injuries playing badminton, no.
But I did injure my ankle at Luke's birthday party.
Which was a hot minute ago now and it still hurts.
Yeah, I'm really unimpressed
with that. It was so unnecessary. Just, it was
a mean nothing push for
no reason other than to just kind of shake up the field
where people were just standing at the backs going ping-pong-pong-pong at each other.
So I grabbed some noobs and I was like, okay, let's go, come on, let's do something interesting.
And I tried to slide behind cover and I was wearing
shoes with way more traction than what I normally wear at the paintball field
and I expected to slide and I didn't. I just went right over it.
It sucked. Anyway, I've been given
resistance band exercises. You know, go this way, this way, this way, this way,
this way, this way. Stand on a soft surface
and try to balance, stuff like that. Just try to build the strength back up.
Use, like, heat pads to increase blood flow to help
promote healing. All stuff you can kind of look up online.
Yeah, it sucks though. To wear a brace
for my tournament late last year because it was
not healing, but it's a fair bit better now, but it still cracks too much
and stuff and it still hurts sometimes. So it sucks.
And the last one I've got for you.
Hey, Luke. Great seeing you at ZTW.
Curious on your take for steps to help
combat session token theft, especially for people like streamers or YouTubers
who don't have enterprise tech or security stack.
Safe home. Mom and mom.
For YouTubers at a certain scale,
I think it would be fairly reasonable even if you're a small, like, one to two-bit outfit
because there are some one to two-bit outfits that are at enormous scales.
Once you have a big enough target on your back, I think it's decently reasonable
to look into advanced security things. Outside of that,
as an individual, like, at-home user, I don't know how much, like,
is realistic to do, to try to
protect yourself against those types of things.
And I also, to be honest, don't know
what the chances are that you're really going to be attacked by something like that.
Obviously, never say never.
Knock on wood, all those fun things, but
I mean, like, session cookie hijacking is not
a normal thing that hits random users
so often, you know.
I wouldn't freak out about it too much. Apparently, Simpsons tapped out is shut down.
I didn't even know that. Happened at the end of January.
What is that? Simpsons mobile game.
Oh. Yeah, EA shut it down. I had no idea.
All right. And now it's time to shut down this show.
We'll see you again next week. Same bad time. Same bad channel.
Bye. That was a weak bye.
Bye!
All right, I'm out here. Bye!