what's up floaters wow rude how dare you call them that my right is muted so
they didn't hear me well well you're right they're they're pilots
what percentage of users on the site probably don't even realize that the
default avatar is a pilot
I suspect a very high one I don't know exactly but a very very high amount
at least one person I said I have no idea holy sh it poopoo yeah it is I don't
have a doesn't ever look out to be honest
okay so a ton of people were like whoa what and then the kid across the seat is
like I mean it's obvious so this is why things in life are hard
do the stream start with Luke just saying violence it sounds possible
it's a full plane app having issues I don't think so are you the person who
tweeted me one person tweeted me and there's like other people responding to
them being like I'm not having issues and there's nobody in our support inbox
informing us of this refreshments good I don't know just if you're having problems
it is I'm not trying to like avoid work if you're having problems it is genuinely
more efficient for you and you will get an answer sooner if you reach out to
support
40p I don't think it's 40p
you aren't support no that's Joe the problem is like we might need logs or we
might need whatever else it just it needs to go through email
yeah
yeah you should finish the snacks I didn't busy day
some cardboard with bits of nut and fruit embedded in it actually don't mind
those but no I'm good
and you complain about them but you get them like every time oh I was
accidentally muted when I was talking and unmuted when I'm eating you're doing
great
and I like don't want to talk about this on the main show but we have a serious
problem in our lives right now
a very serious problem it's hurting me I think it's causing me physical pain
your beard it's causing me physical pain
looks like an unshaped butt crack
it's like all whispering down in the middle it's a little rough right now I
will admit it's a little rough the worst part is I can get away with growing it
out a little bit but if I skimp on shaving this part it looks really bad
and I have skimmed on shaving that part so it looks really bad it all needs to
be drawn back everything needs to be trimmed back I mean realistically it's
not as bad as me not having one at all so there's that that's we got to talk
about that on the main show oh yeah we'll save that for the main show we
but the thing that's causing me pain right now is that our little custom
ultra super bleeding edge beta branch of our favorite little game is causing me
paint I have a call scheduled with the home let me check what his title is
hmm
would you plan on getting graze I've got graze man can you guys not see it oh yeah
you got graze you can see right there I've got more than that but they're
they're most concentrated in that area I've had graze for a long time I got
graze in my my hair hair too they're just they're a lot harder to see there
because I've got a bit of a blend of colors going on okay I have a call with
the lead designer Vance is arranging it it is that important I'm happy that
Vance is on coordinating this it is this is dire this is important for morale
yes yeah tape to tape is is a treasure and it must be protected yeah I
completely agree it's under attack right now sorry there was another email that I
wanted to have queued up so I'd have it ready for the show no Elijah we can't
we can't just tell the devs fix it we have to we have to be constructive give
them idea this is not it's not good we have to tell them what is yeah and how
to fix it or at least give them some potential ideas start them off down a
good path you know at least your graze aren't as obvious as mine I don't know
man I don't get worked up or stuff like that I could be full silver and I
wouldn't have a problem with it at all I thought I was 100% certain when I was
growing up I was gonna be bald my whole life I thought I was gonna be bald when
I was in my 20s because my dad was bald and I didn't realize until way way way
way later on like late 20s I think that you get it from your mom's side so I
did know that which is why I thought that I was gonna be bald oh from like
high school because my dad on my mom's are my dad my grandpa and my mom's
side went bald in high school wow and you didn't at all interesting I mean I
mean well you know obviously it's all it's your lines receding anything in
biology is like a but still I'm you know I'm 38 you know I think I'm doing
pretty okay totally fine I just but the thing that I'm not into and like if you
do this sorry whatever it is what it is you do you but the thing that I'm not
super into is like we saw on like when people go to great lengths to take like
I have some hair here and I'm gonna make it like this long so you're not into the
comb I'm gonna put it all the way over there no comb and then arch it forward
and it's like man just like just own it I don't think anyone really cares if you
just own it it's fine I don't know maybe that's cuz I grew up and I you know my
dad's cool and he had he was bald the whole time but it's just like whatever I
care about it I care about it now no I'm sorry I let down hold on I let down
a maria in chat what real narcissists care a lot about it and get in the game
man sorry yeah you guys step I'm gonna get it hold on let me fix it then I'm
for a flight to turkey
that just like looks worse oh boy
this is where my hairline is my hairline is Lloyd Christmas that's gonna be
hard to explain when we go live they want me to keep the cow look here I'll
try make a new one
I was so much water I can't get the cow like to come back up it's too heavy look
how devious I am they'll never suspect a thing I'll never know yeah they can't
see the like trench line going back how's my I've probably got some things
going on a little bit yeah a little bit for sure right there right I mean yeah
it's gonna thin a bit yeah who cares me I'm a real narcissist now mom nope yeah
I'll never live up to the standard she said don't address it who cares oh I
think I think I think you're saying the same thing I am okay I got you I got
okay should we go live man I think you gotta go try going from if someone
clicks on the thumbnail and then the first frame you see is your face literally dripping can we do the thumbnail faces now I don't want that
I don't want that immortalized we've been doing them the whole time ha ha got
him Luke needs pour water in his head and sling it back as much as you can I'm
not I'm okay with this if that's what we I don't understand the I might have
hair gel always game you gotta understand that I'm not gelling it like this
Dan it'll dry it'll dry and like the first 15 minutes of the show and then
it'll just go back to normal I do that's a lot of water you sure yeah yeah yeah I
generate a lot of heat I dry pretty fast that's fair a lot of the time I don't
even if I'm just like ah there's a lot of laundry already this week I like not
use a towel when I get out of the bath or showers so they're like love less
laundry to do it also I'll just dry off it doesn't matter I am not gelling it you
guys okay let's get this show started okay oh wait I'm supposed to do it
ah right I have to sign into the thing so that I can resume oh wow that did not
ask for a free sign-in that's crazy okay cool you've probably told me that
before yes yeah at least you're concerned about it every week it makes me happy
I'll take it as technically members of the infrastructure team we appreciate you
all right this time hmm okay resume the selected resume it out
what's up everybody and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined up
for you guys this week my highlight topic of course is that the team viewer
license which I have spoken about at length on this show the perpetual license
that I purchased for team viewer 12 apparently I don't know those thousands
of dollars you spent on it guess what you don't have any license for it any
more to which my response would be one of these buddy boy what else we got going
on this week we have oh I do too usually you know what we're gonna mix it up we're
gonna mix it up are we doing one one one one one one one one one yeah that was
right nice we're doing that nice all right steam wants you to know about the
fake frames being generated on your computer Trump phone I love the idea of
only saying that what exactly who knows just Trump phone and Nexus mods sold and
as a person who has kept a perpetual subscription just to support something
that I enjoy a lot I have questions the show is brought to you by Vessie Corsair
and the Squarespace and of course in partnership with our rap partner D brand
our laptop partner Dell and our chair partner secret lab not to mention our
hair or hair gel partner Dippity-Doo that is actually the brand I used to use
when I do has their branding that me too has their branding change at all I doubt
it I mean I never looked too closely at their branding I just looked at that it
was cheap yo it still looks like the same nice awesome nice and it's still
cheap $4.49 for a tub of oh 348 Canadian for a tub of it gotta love it all
right amazing why don't we jump right into our headline topic this week which
is of course that team viewer has been killing off lifetime licenses we're gonna
get into Redditor crazy cats 911's a letter that they shared but first before
we do that I would like to read from an email that team viewer sent me in 2016
in November of 2016 this was for quotation Q756412-Y8F4P2TV colon 0408275
okay okay dear Linus thank you for your email attached please your special offer
to update to version 12 we don't offer free updates but since you purchased in
August I was able to apply a discount to your update so this was clearly in
response to me being like yo WTF your new software came out literally three
months after I just paid I believe it was either five or six thousand dollars
do you remember no but it was a lot especially at that time it was a lot I
spent a substantial amount of money especially again in the context of it
being in 2016 a substantial amount of money on a team viewer license with the
intention being that for I believe it was for a remote employee to be able to
access slash a being able to administer some kind of something anyway the point
is I needed a perpetual team your license I needed a couple of seeds for it our licenses are perpetual licenses when you purchase a license with us you
make a one-time payment to purchase the version we sell at that time and all the
updates within your perpetual version 10 will be extended to you no extra charge
oh apparently I bought version 10 okay I'm not not sure the details here there
are no additional monthly yearly nor maintenance fees that's good to know
good to know thank you team viewer team viewer releases a new major version EX
v11 to v12 every 12 to 15 months version upgrades our new functionality that our
users have requested throughout the previous year as such updates are
absolutely optional and solely based on your decision whether the features of
the new version offer you any added benefits or not should you decide the
new features are of a benefit you will then need to update your license as an
existing customer you will receive a substantial discount off the new version
list price we support all earlier versions of team viewer if you choose to
stay with the version you originally purchased you will always find your
license supported here and it sent it sent a link blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah refer to our website for further information about your latest
whatever whatever etc so there's a couple more emails that go back and forth
but basically I said let's go ahead with the upgrade at a thousand dollars
team viewer 12 was when they added mobile to mobile remote access which was you
know what I think it was for our 2FA hyper old-school 2FA yes okay so we had
that we had an old phone that we left plugged in that ran our 2FA like that's
how old we are I know right that was when like 2FA started yeah I know so okay
2FA through authenticator yeah so there was a phone that that sat because in the
in the days before that our 2FA was just all on my phone so anytime anyone needed
to log into anything they had to come bother me for a 2FA code as mine for
certain yeah as we scaled so in 2016 this is around the time that we like had a
substantial enough employees that was no longer viable for me to just have all
the 2FA on my phone also that's crazy so so we had this 2FA phone so that's what
we ultimately decided was worth the upgrade cost all right so that's all
great that's all cool information thank you team viewer for letting me know how
things work at team viewer now let's have a look at the letter I got it that
crazy cats 911 is sharing over on reddit dear customer thank you for being a
valued team viewer customer so Luke tell me something hold on we're gonna go back
to the cam for a second here how much work is it for that email to say dear
your actual name that's been a solved problem instead of your customer yeah
it's pretty easy that's like if I sent you an email I'm like dear Luke thank you
for being a valued Luke yeah you know how like when you if you repeat like the
same intro to a paragraph over and over again it's like clunky yes it feels like
the same thing but at the end of the sentence dear customer thank you for
being a valued customer it's like yeah just find a different word we're
reaching out to inform you of an important update regarding your team viewer
license support for team viewer versions 11 and 12 will officially end on the
31st of December 2025 as we continue advancing the security and performance of
our remote connectivity platform how does this affect you well licenses will no
longer be supported on our global network infrastructure excuse me that's not
what you sold me yeah I just read you guys the quote quote Q 7 5 6 4 1 2 dash
what okay sorry I won't read the whole thing again but I just read you guys the
quote where team viewer sold me a $1,000 upgrade to software that I had just paid
maybe it was a year prior what the point is I had just paid five grand for this
software okay here's the thing team viewer there's two models for licensing
software there's the subscription model where you charge a low fee okay over a
long period of time while I'm using it or there's the one where you charge me an
exorbitant fee and then I own it forever like you said our licenses are
perpetual licenses anybody that has a service that takes active maintenance
that sells a perpetual license I question it well that's their problem I
that's my problem as the customer with you in this situation it just it makes me
question things that is honestly I am I'm more offended than placated by them
offering to allow me to use these versions for land connections yeah yeah
on a LAN I could I could just use Windows remote desktop connection like
well what would I need team viewer for if I was on a LAN with the sit like I've
never heard of VNC like I what are you even talking about why this change as
security standards evolve older software versions like team viewer 11 and 12
become more susceptible to vulnerabilities and that's fair enough 100% that's fair enough yep maintaining these poses security risks and you know
limit our ability to provide you with the most stable and secure experience and
that you know what I mean that's valid that's valid absolutely except for one
small problem our licenses are perpetual licenses there will be no
additional monthly yearly nor maintenance fees looks laptop again your
options you're here you're here now I'm done with that all right your options we
highly encourage you to consider upgrading to the latest version of team
viewer as a valued customer we're pleased to offer you an exclusive upgrade
discount should you choose to transition to a subscription plan I have I have an
idea oh yeah what do you think they should have done that's a good question I
think I I think I know what I would have proposed in this scenario what should
they have done okay well so I gotta admit you know I'm I'm a little bit
emotional in this case sure right yeah because I'm I'm like I'm in it we talk
all the time about how unacceptable it is for whether it's a software service or
whether it's a whether it's a hardware service or like a like a smart home
thing where they just turn off the infrastructure and what people paid for
the deal is effectively altered pray I don't alter it any further right like we
talk about it all the time but in this case you know I I have skin in the game
yeah I paid thousands of dollars for this software that explicitly like I made
real darn they they were proactively communicating to me that this was a
perpetual license in perpetuity forever with no additional cost so with that in
mind you know I think it's hard for me to look beyond well if they don't want
to maintain this version of the software anymore than they should give me the new version of the software my answer is that but only sort of I think I think
because you know I don't think upselling is necessarily a horrible thing as long
as you're still taking care of the customer so I don't think you can just abandon them you have to give them something I think you could give them
your oldest currently supported version but then you're kind of just asking to
do this song and dance again pretty soon you could give them a like feature cut
down version so it matches the features that they used to have but it's on the
new infrastructure or something I don't know new app thing I don't know what all
the changes are well that's the thing is they that same infrastructure that
email about how they have new versions of TeamViewer every 12 to 15 months
it's from 2016 what are we even up to for TeamViewer versions now like they
are clearly not updating every TV or much anymore well yeah he does yeah do
they even have a god look at this site okay you what am I even looking at you
normal for a site to me I don't like it but what is this product how am I
supposed to know what this product is yeah to be fair that image on the right
means nothing absolutely nothing I thought you meant like the layout was
gross no I just mean I have no idea what I'm even looking at here what even is
this does it have like oh it's AI junk okay is it it's called TeamViewer remote
view plans view plans in pricing more like view lies it's not upset at all okay
does it even have a numbered version now what even what even is this I think you
want to go downloads yeah all right I'll check download download I can't even I
can't even find the stupid downloads now contact guides and manuals so it's all
just buy hold on okay free download hey there we go there we go okay so if I
hear maybe if I downloaded it'll it'll tell me the version number somewhere
where's my download it does not by the way no it doesn't okay maybe so anyway
or something I'm not sure anyway the point the point I was trying to make is
I don't I don't need AI nonsense in my like remote access applications so latest
versions 15.66.5 yeah there you go so in nine years they have managed to find
312 to 15 month you know feature drops to do for the software which seems to
which seems to well I I can think of things they could add they could add
super low latency like parsec that's something they could add they could add
super high high bit depth like color for you know color accurate work I don't
know they could add all kinds of things yeah there you go perfect yeah so
you got what broke down was them being able to develop compelling reasons for
their customers to continue to upgrade absolutely yeah and I you can't you can't
just cut those people off you got to give them something I think you could not
give them more than they had but you can't just leave them behind and you
could use this as an opportunity of like hey you know use some of that you know
the email fill where you replace customer with their name and do you like
you've had the service for X amount of years we'll give you some like modulated
discount based on that if you upgrade to the newest version this is the free
upgrade we're offering you now because we don't want to support that old version anymore tell me fine to me tell me this because a big part of my issue a big
part of the reason that after TeamViewer like harassed me once they switched
to a software as a service model rather than a perpetual license they like
badgered me like I had to call them out on WAN Show to get them to stop
emailing me and even calling me if I recall correctly did they did they call
me I think they can't yeah they called you more than once they were bothering me
to upgrade to their software as a service subscription model a big part of
the reason that I decided to never give them another penny and never upgrade is
that they don't offer a perpetual license anymore if they did we absolutely had
remote employees who at the time were using VMs to access our our
infrastructure so that we didn't have to have other solutions that we have now
that give you remote yeah so you would remote into a VM and that would give you
access to the server locally rather than us having a tunnel off-site don't don't
worry about it okay we have way better stuff now okay the point is that there
are there are definitely times that I would have considered upgrading TeamViewer
for more features or better multi-monitor support or like whatever I don't know but
one of the big reasons that I decided to never give them another another penny
and never upgrade from 12 and one of the reasons I was so angry about their
persistence in badgering me to upgrade was that they didn't offer a perpetual
license anymore like they they gave up on the business model that was successful
in extracting a thousand dollars from me for a version upgrade for what so that I
will never give them another penny I mean if they came to me anyway if they
came to me and we're like hey this is unforeseen we didn't know that nine
years later we would only have three new versions but how about this we'll do the
we'll do a perpetual license with the understanding that it might not be
forever forever but it's not a subscription it's a well let's call it five
years or something can you give us like can you give us like a grand and we'll
get you on the latest version or something like that I'd consider it I
would actually consider it but what I will not consider is just paying forever
for something with no no end I can't do it unless your name is Adobe Microsoft
Google I mean yeah am I the unreasonable one should I just should I just take it
on this one tell me like I want to know no you bought a perpetual license you
couldn't on those other services you know I mean technically I think the
problem is actually value now that I think about it because you would have
had a perpetual license to some of those old versions for Adobe and Adobe is
one of the last companies on earth that I want to sit here and defend oh yeah
but but but CS6 technically still works yep and you don't want to use it you
want the new one therefore you'll go get the new one there you go but CS6 puts
absolutely no strain whatsoever on Adobe's infrastructure yeah because like
I said earlier anytime anyone that requires consistent investment in order
to provide you a service yeah anytime they sell a perpetual license I squint
my eyes a little bit and I question and I wonder what's going on and sometimes
it's explainable sometimes they need a effectively VC style cash injection
right yep and it's like okay maybe that makes sense we've got to get over the
next to me to be honest because that makes me question how sustainable this
is in the future but it can make sense and there are a bunch of different
versions where I've been like okay you know what sure at this point time in
your company it totally makes sense that you need a cash injection I will buy the
thing because having a perpetual license to me is awesome I would way rather
that than a subscription but like if I'm looking at a service that that I run
yeah like perpetual licenses for for full plane oh that would make no sense
no okay I'm not doing that we don't need the cash injection and that would suck
for us because we need to maintain that like five years from now and we're not
planning on full plane going anywhere so if we're if I know I'm gonna have to
maintain it this whole time that's just gonna suck so tell me this then because
we've talked a lot about piracy yeah a ton we've had some views on it that
largely the community has agreed with and we've had some views on it that
largely the community has not agreed with and you know what that's life
sometimes people agree about things and sometimes they disagree about them I feel
that my ownership of a team viewer license that that was perpetual that
was promised to me as being perpetual I believe that even if they have changed
their terms of service I'm entitled to pirate their software now do you do you
think that I'm not talking from a legal standpoint no but I'm talking from just
like my personal moral code standpoint I just this instead of judicial I believe
that I am I would not lose a wink of sleep I wouldn't question it if I pirated
team viewer software now I wouldn't question it at all obviously for work
we like can't do that unless you want to fight legal battles but like on a
personal level sure yeah no way so tell me this because this is this is an area
that I've always felt is a little bit more gray we're actually in the process
of helping with the restoration of an old show called reboot yeah watch reboot
okay anyway so it just this is kind of hypothetical so bear with me for a
little bit here guys because normally you wouldn't have consumer media on a
format that is so hard to play back but it's actually the the archival like
masters of the show that are on a format that is so obscure that Jake Tyvee is
is kind of managing the project for us on the background we're kind of like
sponsoring the restoration sort of but also Kyoksia is involved shout out Kyoksia
anyway there they seem to decently often be involved in cool things I know I
like I have nothing to do with any of this this part is not a sponsor for them
they just get it I just every time I'm like that sounds like a crazy project and
I hear like yeah and Kyoksia is behind it I'm like yeah Kyoksia just likes their
name attached to like cool it as far as I can tell sweet easy so anyway they
reached out and they were like hey we need another $7,500 because the only two
I want to say like read heads or something like that the only familiar
with this the only two brand new read heads in the world belong to this guy
who's like really old once $7,500 and we if we don't get them now that's
basically like it oh because they could estate sale or something you might not
know what happens who knows and and and anyway anyway anyway what it made me
think of when we were going through this team viewer topic was like tell me
this if you bought a copy of some media and we're getting to the point where
you know I think you could make a very strong argument for the coming generation
sorry sorry sorry sorry mushroom and flipping chest at Kyoksia is the red
bowl of storage and I just thought that was really actually kind of makes sense yeah we're getting to the point where I I feel and I could be wrong about this
but I feel that a generation or two from now could be the first generation for
whom media from like a hundred years ago like a movie from like a hundred years
ago could actually still be like entertaining to watch like would you when
you were a kid when you were a kid in 1990 would you have really consumed any
media from 1890 no like I whereas like okay you know 25 35 40 years from now
do you think you could potentially watch oh man it's tough because like will
everything just be like stereoscopic or like I don't know I free Vaughn she
won't watch anything where the audio quality sucks so that was like a major
turning point in music recordings like anything from like the 50s she won't
listen to it because the audio quality is just like not good enough but as soon
as we got into like the 70s when amplifiers and when tape and when high
fidelity recording instruments started to there's some stuff really appears that
I think can stand up yeah so I guess I guess what I'm what I'm trying to say
is there could come a time when you could have purchased a copy a license if you
will for a piece of media say say a movie let's let's use a movie as an easy
example because movies are so central to the conversation around piracy right
yeah so there was a movie that you purchased that is on a format that
through no fault of your own you can no longer play back
kind of like the this is a thing that happens this happens with video games sure but is in a format that you can no longer play back or access would you as
the owner of said license said physical license for it would you lose any sleep
downloading the the the the the 18k blu-ray or whatever you know whatever
exists in the future oh for that content knowing like my team viewer license
that it has been upgraded in that time it's been upscaled or remastered in
dolby at most three or whatever it is you kind of get what I'm saying right
I my general action here is that I buy the new thing
you buy the new thing and I I I see that as if work has been put into it but I
didn't my problem is I don't think this is an equivalency
because I didn't lose access because of the company's actions that I
bought the thing from yeah that's a huge
distinct difference okay so we'd have to have a hypothetical where it's some
disney movie and it was on some disney exclusive physical format
that they then eol'd and like bricked all the players for then I don't then that's different that becomes a little bit more gray
I don't think I would care I think that one's black and I think I would just
download the thing yeah okay okay so basically what we're what the way what
I'm picking up what I think you're throwing down is that sure in that case it wasn't any fault of your own
but it also wasn't the fault of the license issuer so so it's like if I bought a dvd yeah and they you know they don't make dvd
players sure but I can't get dvd players anyway this isn't true yeah no I get it but if it was true but it's a no fault it's an
accident yeah then I'll buy the new one okay okay but if it is through the actions and false representations
of the license issuer then a big you know you pretty much yeah I would also
like to point out top IMDB list you've got 1994 1972 2008 1974 1957
embarrassingly I have not seen any of them you haven't seen the godfather I we
should add that to our uh to our movie we're we're having movie night tonight
I have a feeling if I did it was a super long time ago probably with my parents
or my dad or something um it's very likely I saw part of it
a lot of my like tv and movie watching forever ago was because
my computer was in the room that the tv was in and I'll be like on the computer
playing games or or messing around with operating systems doing whatever the
heck I was doing they're printing out pictures
not when they were home
and watching tv on the side that's how he got busted ones
I didn't there was a printing out photographs it's like a spooling issue and it printed the last
one out like way later and I didn't know and it was just still in the tray and my mom found it
I got banned off the computer for like a month I don't remember the details on it knowing your
mom you're lucky you only got a month yeah there was some
um
that's actually if I were quickly that's why the computer was there right I think it was upstairs
oh man I'm trying to remember it right now but anyways
yeah like one dude once you get to the 90s it pops off yeah oh shoot we're not on your
laptop anymore a forest gump pulp fiction yeah I do like how watchable are all those movies today
then again I mean shawshank redemption dude maybe part of that is just that that was the media of our
childhoods fight club like I have a hard time I have a hard time imagining the lord of the lord of
the rings trilogy godfellas like people trying to watch it and just being like no no this is
forget it ah apparently this is a problem oh no I mean I'm my kid my kids can make it through it
but yeah I just mean four people who like it's also might be like a little young for it yeah
maybe it was my son so he's probably not yeah would it come out in 2001
yeah fellowship with the room yeah 2001 so I would have been 15 yeah maybe he's uh maybe
he's a little maybe he's a little young because like I'm doing the heck out of it when I was 15
I loved it and I was what you love lord of the rings no I just uh I was uh unless this
released after November 12th I was 10 what the heck that doesn't make sense yeah aging's funny
it's been a long time I know I just thought I was older when that came out that's all
anyway in summary guess not each team viewer I will never give you another cent yeah time to
get pirated yeah or alternatively actually you just kind of suck now and we'll use something else
yeah yeah there are make it less bad I guess the impact is lower yeah we haven't really used it
in like a long time no um I still I still use it just out of convenience for one VM that I just like
haven't bothered to install something else on uh well that I've this a VM that I've just had for
like years and years and years that I've just like never bothered to install something new on
you have to figure something out I mean it's pretty yeah I'll just use parsec yeah parsec
still has a free version of the service so what I mean by figure something out yeah and I think
don't we have corporate parsec anyway yeah yeah so like whatever yeah um so okay here's a question
why am I willing to pay a subscription to parsec
they didn't change the deal on you oh also that interesting but we would and you didn't
I didn't actually know that yeah interesting but they didn't change the deal they didn't
alter the deal this was the deal that's that's true and they offered something that
the competing service didn't extremely low latency yeah which uh and it's honestly like when we
when we added it to our to our infra was essential for getting our videos edited when like the office
was effectively a quarantine zone it's got great multi monitor support as well it didn't in the
early days but we've played video games over it we played tape to tape yep over parsec
um and like the latency was right good all right what's next what do you want to talk
about next mr luke um let's see here we're on topic to steam steam steam steam really you think
that one's that big of a deal okay I just think it's cool let's talk about I'm not even I don't
even necessarily want the fight I don't think it's cool you don't want the fight you don't want the
fight I didn't even have to stand up you didn't get that much hotter than me
wow and my seat's down wow
wow all right steam wants you to know about fake frames the steam client beta was updated earlier
this week with improved performance monitoring which is super cool I saw the notification for
this but I didn't have a ton of time to look into it because this week was very busy for me
the old in-game FPS counter should we tell them what you were doing this week
is that a thing I can tell them the one but I don't know if
do we want to announce that one we shot scrapyard worse 10 we did it was epic the premise was
genuinely amazing okay anyway carry on anyways yeah the steam client beta was updated earlier
this week with improved performance monitoring the old in-game FPS counter has been updated
into the in-game overlay performance monitor okay adding more detailed information about frame
rates frame generation CPU and GPU performance and more try it yourself by enabling the client
beta by going to settings and then in game in the steam in other steam news valve has introduced
what it says our first of many accessibility tool this is other stuff why don't we talk about this
first let's do that so you think that this is a really big deal and I don't necessarily disagree
but I just want to hear your take about how big of a deal it is that they have
more detailed information about frame gen specifically I think is what you were
yeah sort of focused on again I haven't personally actually dove into this yet I'm hoping it also has
frame time stuff but I just really like back in the day you know needing to get fraps and all these
kind of things to figure out what the heck was going on having this built into steam is really cool
and having a tool built into steam where you can learn more about what's happening to your system
because like there's all these videos and people talking about trying to figure out like oh like
what is the what is the impact what is why does my game feel kind of weird right now yeah because
people playing competitive shooters dealing with frame gen stuff I'm not necessarily like like I
said I don't necessarily want the fight I don't actually really care so much about the fake frames
versus real frames war the part of that that I do care about is when it's highly misrepresented
and we've seen that a lot in like the avidia envidia presentations and stuff right but the
technology by itself is super cool yeah in the right scenarios why does marketing have to ruin
everything yeah it's just marketed horribly because it's it's false promises really it's a cool tech
on its own yeah it like even even multi frame gen like it's a cool tech on its own it has a place
and it has a purpose cinematic single player games yeah as long as they're not too fast paced
yeah sometimes it's a problem and as long as the base performance is enough but tools like this yeah
make it so that you can turn it on see how many fake frames are happening evaluate the game play
it a little bit see how it feels dial things in like it's just it's another cool useful tool I love
these types of things I love you know like tools for nerds what is Google call it stats for geeks
I love stuff like that give me more tools I'm gonna poke around you try things I'm excited to just see
with ease on any one system what's kind of going on like if somebody's like oh yeah I'm trying to
play this game but like aiming feels sluggish for some reason or like I feel like I'm on target I'm
not hitting people or whatever we can like now we have another tool to try to evaluate right you
can also do like you know screen record and slow it down to see like maybe maybe you just suck
but but those tools those tools already exist so yeah I tried getting good I think this is uh
this is sweet I uh we actually have like a direct appeal to Val Val does so much cool
stuff that just generally makes gamers lives better and easier and there's one tool that I
feel they have neglected over a long period of time that I really want to see them update
we have a new edition of the most average PC build coming so are you familiar with the series
I think so this is number three or four I can't remember but it's it's updated to 2025 version
or the recent 2025 release of the Steam hardware survey and the Steam hardware survey is an
invaluable tool for determining what exactly it is that gamers have in their systems it does a
great job both for people who are configuring gaming PCs to you know be able to look through
and figure out okay like what's the norm you know what or you know what should I kind of be targeting
to play games that developers are likely to be building their games around and then it's also
great for developers because it gives them a really great idea especially over time of what
the changing trends are in hardware configurations out there so that as they're developing their
games and their performance targets they know what kind of hardware that steam gamers have
and while it does a pretty good job of the granularity of certain components like GPUs for
instance you can see exactly which model of GPU in many cases sometimes the mobile ones kind of get
mixed in but minor stuff you know for things like CPUs they just tell you how many cores
and what clock speed range like we're talking like like net burst era of information here
so so one of the examples that Elijah gives in the videos he goes well okay six cores
clocked between this and this that could either be this 12th gen CPU or this Xeon from 10 years ago
they literally both fit the bill we're gonna assume it's more like the new one but come on I can't
know this is the point we're trying to make and so and some of the information they have on monitors
for instance really good really useful we know what resolution people are running that's great
what refresh rate are they running as a game developer I might want to know that
as a gamer who's just you know trying to figure out the the competition out there I might I might
want to know hey you know am I falling behind a little bit right now because I'm one of the only
people still running a 60 Hertz monitor which to be clear it's not that's not the case but
that it is changing high refresh rate monitors are becoming more prevalent how prevalent I don't
know yeah it would be nice to know if the valve hardware survey had it in there then that would
be great and it for for us in the media it also helps us to tailor our content to whatever people
are most likely to be having questions about you know as there's a big transition there's a big
transition to 1440p right now yep so okay we're looking at that going all right so we should do
like a 1440p monitors buying guide or whatever the case may be the steam hardware survey is an
invaluable tool it's one that they have that they publish for free for everybody to use which is
wild which is great but also self-serving because it's to help developers and gamers meet together
on steam so make it better there there's some key there's some key ways that the steam hardware
survey needs to improve and so we kind of appeal to valves generosity I guess because that's the
only reason they have to do anything now that they're just a money printing machine um and ask
them to be still upon us mere mortals a better version of the hardware survey and I don't remember
how we got in the subject I think you know a couple people there I do but they're valve people so
like they're great and do whatever the f*** they want I think yeah I don't know like I know their
their company's super flat and there's there's these rumors that I've heard that you can like
kind of work on whatever which is clearly not 100 true or else nothing would ever happen yeah
like I have p I have contacts there that are clearly in like a role yeah you know like job title
and stuff like customer support tickets are still answered yeah and if that was purely elective just
like no one's ever gonna do it so like I love answering customer support okay sure um I used
to pitch in when things were really busy at NCIX I still do yeah thanks for enough part of life
I don't I don't exactly love it but you know um but on that dark day when Gaben's light
finally fades what do you think's gonna happen I have no idea I think a lot of the reasons why
valve has been so based and you know I sometimes bark at their 30 percent and stuff like that but
they have overall been a force for good absolutely for the most part yeah they take a lot of the
pie yeah I think they do good stuff I think I do think that Gaben just like not needing any more
super yachts is a big part of why they just don't bother to try to squeeze more money yeah like nothing
as far as I can tell nothing prevents valve from upping their cut to 35 percent but I don't even
know like you're 50 you look at the handheld market and they could have just gone with Windows
but they didn't yeah and they did a ton of work in order to not and like you look at what's
happening with with bazite and stuff now and it's like wow they are really pushing this forward
in a way that nobody has um I don't know they they do cool stuff I wish they made more games still
I know people talk about half life all the time but like give me another portal
I don't know I'm gonna I'd enjoy another portal I'd play it but it's co-op I I love the
kind of portal one and I felt like portal two was rehashing a lot of the same territory I don't
see what portal three would bring to the table more co-op yeah okay more co-op um yeah anyway
in other news uh valve is introducing what it says are the first of many accessibility tools
to steam and steam os players using big picture and steam os will get a text size slider high
contrast mode a reduced motion toggle to disable some animations and screen transition effects
and in addition steam os devices so steam deck and legion go s for now will gain a customizable
screen reader a color filter that affects both the steam UI and in game graphics and they can choose
between oh and you can find all this in the new accessibility tab in your steam settings I'm really
surprised they didn't already have like high contrast mode and stuff classic valve the only
thing that's surprising about them being based is that they weren't already that based uh Dan
what are we supposed to be doing that's pretty good why don't we do a couple merge messages and
announcements all right let's do that uh merge messages are the way to interact with the show
if you're gonna throw money at your screen the way we see it you should get high quality merchandise
in return so all you gotta do is go over to lttstore.com throw some cool stuff in your cart
and then head to the checkout where you will see a box that prompts you to leave a merge message
and look at that we have a when show special on lttstore.com right now this is the uh which
site is this so this is the us site I guess yes we are in the on the us site so we have the
precision screwdriver and the precision bit set each for $30 or we have the precision bundle
for $59.99 and then if we go to the global region 64.99 canadian dollars for the precision
bundle so you guys can go ahead and throw that in your cart and then you can leave a merge message
it will go to producer Dan who will send it to someone who can answer your question answer it
himself sometimes um maybe not that accurately but certainly comedically and or send it to
it's called dodging the question me and luke as a curated merge message Dan do you want to show
them what curated merge messages look like sure uh let's see first one up here what can be done to
combat AI generated content on youtube that uses AI to impersonate other people's voices
to imply that the person is saying this content when really they are not it's everywhere I mean
there's a lot of conversation there's a lot of very uh plausible solutions you know one solution
would be that any AI generated media should have fingerprinting built into it so that platforms
like youtube could um read that fingerprinting and see that it's AI generated and and flag it as such
unfortunately now that pandora's box is kind of kind of open and not every actor is interested
in having their AI generated content fingerprinted um the horses has bolted from the barn the cats
out of the bag the ship has sailed the there there's there's pretty much there's pretty much nothing
we can do to un release AI into the world with no safeguards no clear markings whatsoever on it
yeah it's rough um it would be kind of neat if see I don't know because I feel like I feel like
they're embracing it but I was gonna say it would be kind of neat if youtube started using AI to
to detect AI um and just kind of mass banned it youtube it's not AI tube uh I unless maybe
if you can get your thing approved somehow oh that gets really tough because I don't think
mass ban actually makes sense I want to walk that back it's gotta be impersonation
so they'd have to like oh man I don't know how they do it like we we could count on the
I don't know yeah we dude I don't know we could count on the we could count on the
detection to continue to get better but as it does the generational get better and wait until
somebody just has like uh fairly unique like uh like a medical condition or something and they
get flagged and then you get that twitter thread about like oh so that doesn't work at all totally
see that that doesn't work especially with like kind of bad lighting and like a low resolution
camera or something like that yeah that would be insane um and there are acceptable usages
of it right it's it's mostly impersonation that we're complaining about right now which sounds
like an incredibly fair thing to complain about um yeah yeah legacy uprising said like all the
Joe Rogan ads that aren't him yeah yeah or mr beast there's tons of scams that aren't him
why was what was it uh six months ago something the whole site was tesla yeah everything's computer
wait sorry everything's tesla sorry wait should we talk about should we talk about trump phone
yeah yeah good segue we'll do another merge message after jan that was that was just too
irresistible of a transition um get right on june 16 don trump jr and eric trump along with the
no but doesn't isn't uh man what's his name um darn it summit is summit like pissed i don't know
summit t1 summit one t one g oh is it one g yeah i don't know what are you talking about doesn't
t1 refer to all right this is a quote tyler one oh sure tyler one's gotta be i don't know
know this is a quote a transformational new cellular service designed to deliver top tier
connectivity unbeatable value and all american service for our nation's hardest working people
they're offering 5g service through all three major cellular carriers subscribers to the 47 plan
which is uh 47 and 45 cents a month gain the following unlimited talk text and data complete
device protection that's in quotes 24 seven roadside assistance through drive america telehealth
services free international calling to more than 100 countries including many with american
military bases to help honor the families who are bravely serving in our military abroad that's a
quote and no contracts and no credit check they're also touting a customer service call center based
in the usa they got a couple of different options here you can bring your own phone or you can
pre-order a trump phone the made in the usa t1 phone 8002 gold version okay this is where things
get pretty interesting let's head on over to trump mobile dot com
oh lordy no i don't need to subscribe to whatever this is um i love
no i think i'll i think i'll pass i love the the picture can we compare to like any other
cellular service like uh name one team mobile team mobile let's see let's uh let's home internet
and i'll stop out of creating my goodness um okay mobile's website a phone it's just a phone
there's some people hanging out more phones or somebody with a phone on a scooter or something
some people well that's not a serious mobile network this business is a serious mobile network
it's the action plan let's um all right let's check out the t1 phone
key features very gold proudly made in america nice right here in the usa with care precision
and top quality materials to deliver a product you can trust five hundred dollars five hundred
dollars um okay fingerprint sensor a i face unlock what else we've got here
avocados diaboly in full plane chat said their site took down their coverage map because it
didn't label gulf of mexico's gulf of america i don't know if that's true or not but that's
hilarious if it is oh no uh there's still wait what so it's a it's a service and it's a phone and
it's a service that goes through other people's services they're still working on some stuff
when i checked out the verge article on it early earlier it pointed out some errors on the site
that appear to have not been corrected yet they still don't know the difference between memory
and storage um oh what are some of the other issues here uh actually it's not some of the
stuff some of the stuff might be uh might be a little bit better oh wow you can call you
could should i call oh yeah should i we got we got to think about what you want to say first
i think i have to call no i just i just i just want to i just want to ask how i want to ask
how i can know that this phone is made in america all right dude i don't remember the
last time that i saw a phone number advertised with like t9 you know like can you can do you
is that that this is such a boomer i've seen some where it will show both versions but i've never
seen one where it only shows the t9 i'm calling the line yeah they they literally don't even show
okay hold on speaker
hey guys
um hello is this even dialing
oh can you literally like not even call it if you're outside the us
it it didn't even work put one in front i did you totally did i'm not new i'm just
okay hold on is there do they have do they have like an alternate non one eight eight number
uh okay here i'll try support need help you're in the right place she'll help you yes um
it's just uh from wait what's saturdays from eight a.m to one p.m oh okay oh you know what
they're closed they're closed i think they closed 20 minutes ago they totally did but why why did
should probably have their phone tell you that yeah why did it just hang up they're new
okay okay you know what they're changing the world Dan one step at a time Dan this seems like a thing
that you could probably help with um next week can we start the show by calling trump mobile
and can we have like a google voice line or something with a us number is that the kind
of thing that Dan is capable of it seems like the kind of thing Dan is very capable of oh yeah
look at the us number yeah yeah yeah yeah he knows he knows this guy knows um anyway so what was
also interesting from the verge article is that um as far as they could tell the whole the this phone
is made in america thing appears to be complete nonsense um there are only renders on the website
no physical units have been spotted they didn't list the processor i believe there is a similar
looking chinese phone although that's actually not in our dock so maybe this is very much like
developing right now um there was a similar ish looking chinese phone but i i don't see that in
our dock um and this is this is fun um eric trump says the phone will be built in the us eventually
no eventually yeah the site doesn't say anything about it being built in the us eventually
okay this is amazing i'm checking out a reddit thread because i'm trying to verify this whole
gulf of mexico thing yeah so i'm reading a reddit thread and this guy linked um oh my god there's
so many fun gaffes somebody said there there is zero phones made in america and somebody
replied saying there is one Linux phone that has awful specs it starts at 2k called the liberty
phone i looked it up and yeah 1.5 gigahertz quad core wow 720 by 1440 display yeah that wow
that thing is horrible i mean it has wi-fi six two grand yikes but things like if you
you know if you manufacture there it's going to cut look at that thickness it's got a it's
got a headphone jack though is it usb-c i can't tell looks like it i'm not certain but it looks like
it pd yeah usb-c okay man i kind of want one now i kind of want to i kind of want to try it
outfitted with hardware kill switches all right here that's kind of cool that is kind of cool
i like that you can do that with the the camera the mic yeah i kind of want to try it i mean i'm
sure it's like terrible but that's pretty cool
yeah anyways manufacturing things like phones in the states hold on a second someone posted in
chat what they think is the the model of phone that the trump t1 phone is just a second just a
second i'm gonna pull this up thanks Floatplane chat having a look here apparently oh no this
doesn't look the same guys that does that does not look the same at all the the render on the
trump mobile site has like three cameras and i don't know yeah i mean other than that phones
just kind of like look like phones i guess yeah that's that's that i don't know chuck i don't
know you're talking about okay so there's some gaps the terms of use page appears to be basically
copied from liberty mobile um the privacy policy was also likely copied and allows data collection
from searches web browsing device and location for its ai systems and it has collected complete
account credentials whatever that means and mail email and text message contents over the past 12
months what does that even mean wait what oh you read that past tense correctly they didn't
spend much time editing when they copied it oh my gosh uh there's no refunds and yes it looks
like the phone is made in china um oh but then they're saying it's the revel 7 pro but like
oh is that just the only phone that has the same specs and then these renders are just like maybe
these are just like random random renders of what could kind of look like a phone are there any
other pictures like this is like this is clearly just like these these curves don't even align
like what are you even what are you even talking about like this is obviously not real
why is there a pretend home button here is this is the idea that they're showing where a fingerprint
sensor might be or like what sad it's all i have to say about that are you gonna get one i mean
i don't think realistically anyone is going to get one so no but i think people might get a phone
you think so i have no idea but they might have a phone at some point revel 6 pro 5 g somebody said
i am just i am i am i am mind boggled by just how just like obviously fake you know stuff is
that certain people you know do and how obviously like you know constantly lying certain people are
and how not noticing many people are this time it'll work out this is this time will be different
this and if it's not this one then next one then next time yep mind boggling maybe you're a time
three better that's pretty long view though you gotta wait a while for that yeah i mean i'll
i'll pre-order one because just like whatever arrives whatever it is it's going to be hilarious
one way or another somebody said all in on trump coin it reminded me didn't i thought i had a
yes was my idea you wanted us to do Linus coin but like backed by the gold standard yeah yeah stop
i think i'm pretty sure that's already a thing i'm pretty sure there's already a crypto i'm really
not in that space crypto coin gold backed there there's no way nobody thought of this
gold backed stable coins are asset backed stable coins that have physical gold as their
underlying asset they're going to gold making them a less volatile financial instrument uh
that's a quote i am reading that i don't necessarily agree with that thing that i just yeah yeah
because a stable coin you're basically taking somebody's word for it that no no yeah no yeah
no yeah i bought all that got all that gold so there's a there's a few um they actually
one of them actually lists out like the amount of gold bars that they have and stuff
are they telling the truth i don't know oh i mean why would they lie about it i mean i'm sure
they're a strong christian with good values and would never be a scammer that's a reference to
something it's a reference to something yeah let me just put it this way we filmed scrapyard wars
this week and i ran into some scammers yeah i heard this i i i don't want to spoil i don't
want to spoil much i don't want to spoil i don't want to spoil anything actually it's going to be a
great series um but
i ran into some scammers and uh i definitely had people saying win probably not for a while
oh it's going to be a step in for a wait here's the thing right guys because on the one hand
we're going to have the people that are like give me the first episode give it to me now
and on the other hand you're going to have the people that will get that first episode
and then realize that the second episode isn't coming for like you know three weeks or a month
or whatever and be like why didn't they pre-edit all of it yeah why schedule the releases so there's
no way for us to really yeah really win we'll do our best i think we're going to aim for like a week
or two in between and i think that like previous scrapyard wars we're probably going to have
really access on Floatplane so LMG.gg slash Floatplane pump it up all right um Dan where did we
leave off oh we're in the middle of announcements okay i specifically where in the middle we just
explained you explained merge messages we did a merge message you showed that we have a deal on
the precision screwdriver bundle really and that was about it oh okay what else is there
we are on cw announcements yeah the final the very top of that yeah just start with the red
oh wow look at this uh do you want to show the show the link yep okay folks it might have taken
a few years but that one yeah but we finally did it we oh it did it but did oh is there not a link
nope uh oh uh but the should i call someone the link go to the forum uh oh that is not good
make sure it's not i will try a thing dang it well do you want to see if you yep no that
definitely goes to the forum yep uh uh uh uh technical difficulties uh there but
is there someone to call burp or someone i i i don't know i i don't know who to talk to conrad's
got us conrad's got us thanks conrad uh we're gonna have to change it i got him on it okay no key
also knows uh it's it's in the Floatplane yeah okay okay here we go here we go we are finally
ready to announce go ahead throw it you coward all right fine are you gonna bring up your screen well
uh uh uh uh uh this is painful there we go there it is yeah the transparent screwdriver
that's right my friends the very first ratcheting screwdriver that allows you to see the ratchet
mechanism in all of its glory this is world first i think so well who else would make this that's so
cool um you can also see the bit storage through the uh through the handle it looks freaking sweet
we use them all week for scrapyard wars and they were awesome it is launching next friday on june
27th and you can sign up to be notified at lttstore.com slash transparent dude it's kind of cool that
you can check if you have the right bit without even pulling it out that's kind of i i never
actually did that the whole time uh people are asking does it yellow that is a super duper
super duper question uh one moment please i will who do i want to oh who can i bug about this you
know what um the person i'm thinking of may still be like enroute and therefore maybe not too
bothered if i bother them oh man i love teams so much i love waiting like 23 minutes for my call
to be placed how is teams like this luke this is the company that bought skype they bought skype
how does it take this long to even try to connect a call it's still not trying to connect the call
this is the most disastrous product launch since the cyber truck or announcement rather
oh there we go uh but hello sir can is this working i have no audio this is why we need
trump phone what even exactly the trump phone t1 wouldn't have this problem
um
there we go sorry for the ptsd everyone who uses teams at work
oh boy why is it randomly louder sometimes did you hear it was or ran
it's i should i hear it i have heard it the whole time what is it doing i hate teams
there's a reason why the software dev teams are still on i couldn't find a replacement
okay well all right all right all right all right well okay i'm i don't know if it yellows
so probably not but who knows some people are saying they're not seeing the sign-up portion
of the forum to be clear it should be right there at the bottom in the white box if you're not seeing
it pause your ad blocker please oh hey got him um what up what was i supposed to be talking about
oh right right right people had some questions about it uh one of the no sorry somebody misinterred
to me i did not say teams devs are still in slack i'm saying our devs are still our dev team thanks
um there there was one other thing i wanted to talk about real quick one of the big issues that
delayed the development of this was the uh durability of the plastic so there there are
lots of different transparent plastics so anyone in chat who is um sharing their wisdom about the
characteristics of transparent plastics can just not um because there are many different plastics
that can be transparent and they have vastly different characteristics so what now plastic
knowers pretty much actually though pretty much yeah what up better not to make assumptions um
and one of the big one of the big issues that we were running into in the development of this
was getting something that met the durability expectations of our LTT screwdriver uh customers
another major one was down to the quality of the of the plastic flow in the mold and we don't
really have the tightest camera angle on me here but we had this like these kinds of seams
that were forming as the as the plastic made it so the molten plastic made its way through the mold
and then it would kind of like flow around a thing and then come together oh good it's kyle
thank goodness now i don't have to try to do this myself uh hello mr therat you are live on the wancho
hello let me put you in speaker hello wancho can you hear me uh you're not actually the one who
has to put your phone on speaker for the wancho to hear you but well i need to put my speaker on
so i can hear you right yeah that makes sense perfect uh they want to know if the if the plastic
will yellow why does god they're eventually in our testing north okay and what did we do to test
that it's the same plastic that nel gene bottles are made got it okay wait interesting we're saying
that publicly are we allowed to say that publicly no what are you there um okay bye i'm yeah i'm my
receptionist charitable because i moved away from our router okay uh wow okay cool um okay um thank you
kyle what wait are we are sorry i might have misheard you are we allowed to say that it's
the same plastic as the bottles it's it's made it's so the the plastic that's made from is triton
okay triton is a similar plastic that is used in nel gene i don't know if i i got cut off i got
misheard but at least that's an our understanding i don't think that's okay nel gene explains that
on the website okay okay thank you that's very helpful um okay and any other characteristics i
can share with the people so we we believe it is non-yellowing now gene does say that they use
triton okay they say they use triton renew yeah yeah it's it's it i'm not saying anything that's
like super secret right i'm just making sure i i do you never you never know okay come come on man
tell me that you've never encountered a company being kg about the materials they use like okay that
you know what that is fair that is fair all right okay all right all right okay um okay any other
cool stuff that we can say about it it's stronger than triax our previous plastic okay
all right pain to it's a pain to injection mold yeah i took so long
yeah another three-year screwdriver project tell me about it what's the next three-year
screwdriver project i don't want to i don't want to think about that right now all right
i want to get it to that doubt all right good chat thanks kyle appreciate you okay bye have a good
again man he was really transparent about that press the thing you gotta do it okay press the
thing there you go sorry job i don't feel good now there's only one way to find out for sure
all right of course i need to use the lines to bash things on the table one more table
wow it's covered in skins now yeah not bad is there anything
the bits came loose i mean that kind of makes sense all right what else we got
uh we have oh we have any pack of individual magnetic cable management components for 14.99
and then we have the oh the precision screwdriver bundle thing apparently they've updated the pricing
and the last thing that we have for a wancho deal is the pet cave is back oh pricing reboot
retro monitor pet caves are available with a wancho special price for a limited time only
so you guys can go check those out these are so cute agreed my cats actually legitimately love
theirs these are like one of our best reviewed products ever it's just like five star five star
five star four star five five five five five five four five five cute someone included a picture
of their pet yeah right surprisingly few people use the photo upload feature of our review function
yep it's like it's an awesome awesome feature and i'm shocked at how few people use it that's
flipping awesome you love to see it this is one that i do think gets a greater proportion of photos
uploaded though just because that makes sense like if we find even one more that'll be more than
people normally i never see photos yeah is that is it only the one i could have sworn there was
another person who uploaded a photo do they like expire or something i don't think so i don't know
oh anyway all right cool all right what else are we supposed to be talking about here now
what a merch message uh sure yeah hit me down hey guys can you comment on what's happening in greece
a new anti piracy law that finds anyone watching pirated content 750 euros the base monthly income
here other than using a vpn what can we do what seriously how did i not hear about that how does it
even work how exactly how does it uh what grease anti might not be true maybe you heard of it two
months ago greece strengthens it's oh no he's using the ai overview uh no no no no no no no no
time for us to turn the wen show into ai slop let's go my goodness let's go i'm here for it
i'm not all right am i am i even real look at this hair it doesn't even look real so yeah it's
it sounds like it's a thing as far as i can tell i'm not finding like a lot of
super official stuff so they introduce a framework to find ip pirate tv
like like the user stuff it seems to be more like um like streaming like if you start a
streaming pirate service uh or watch it yeah finding the users is a new step that i don't
think i have seen yet very interesting from any other government going after the administrators
of these pirate um like streaming services yeah that we've seen before uh there was a really
interesting case i was reading about recently where um i think it was a couple of americans
were we're just like running a like pirate streaming service out of like a few locations
including like having racks in their house and stuff like that okay um don't do that i mean yeah
you know try to try to at least have some possible denial yeah we're have a really ready to go
sprinkler system actually that won't do it finding the user is a heck of a step because that
that puts the onus on the user to determine whether they are subscribing to a legitimate
service or not and i could actually see a lot of users quite frankly no offense uh not being
sophisticated enough to tell the difference between a real you know legit streaming service
and a very legit looking pirate streaming service which is a thing now like how would they necessarily
know i like this good possible tonight ability i know i'm seared you have known no i'm actually
serious though like how would i know bill's streaming service is not licensing especially if
they like charge you which is possible which and people okay like let's make this very clear
a lot of these users who could be fined theoretically i mean we're obviously just finding out about
right now yeah we don't know all the details i'm not finding amazing sources theoretically
these users could conceivably be fined for using a service that as far as they can tell
is legit because they are paying for it so that that's how a lot of the piracy streaming services
work is they they're not actually they're not actually their users are not necessarily pirates
per se if that makes sense or at least not knowingly but what's appealing about these
services is that they have such a broad content library for one low streaming fee it's almost
like it's almost like we solved you know content piracy not that long ago with just the one low
monthly fee and it kind of including everything that you wanted to watch remember that there was a
there was a thing um what was it fen nicks new new flicks fen licks um flixon net box i can't
remember what i i don't think it's gonna come to me net ticket but um but that's that's what i
would at least i would imagine that's what a lot of these users would think that they're signing
up for is just like oh finally someone who's not going to gouge me but if they 750 euros as a fine
that is that is considerable like i could even i could even see having like a minor infraction
fine like a you know like a 30 dollar ticket or something like that for you know hey you know
don't don't do that or whatever because you're we're talking about individual users right we're
not talking about commercial entities 750 euro is a flipping ton of money massive
pretty crushing especially in the context of and i don't i haven't validated the you know the
typical income in Greece or whatever i don't actually know if that's the case but but assuming
it's true for now assuming that's true that is very crushing i mean that that's that's like that's
like finding what like probably somewhere in the neighborhood of like four thousand forty five hundred
Canadian dollars or something like that like i think that i think median income is around 4500
CAD right now per month yeah after tax uh no i think that's pre-tax yeah okay but then if the fine
the fines after tax i don't yeah that i don't know we don't have all the details for what it would
have to be though that's wild man man how awesome would that be if like fines were tax deductible
i'm sure if you're a big enough corporation you can figure out the the accounting map to make
that work but i i don't think as an individual you get away with it yeah
um gross
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oh it's kind of nice cool all right and then is there one last thing here
uh Floatplane so yeah handsome oh you got it seven foot four inches wait i think you gotta be
this actually says seven inches four so um those are two measurements you're gonna be more passionate
when you're saying this okay i'll get better i'll get better handsome seven inches four jacked rich
damn these are only some words used to describe sammy our video production specialist who focuses
on our social media and Floatplane exclusives and he just released his meet the team what Linus
don't leak i said this please
wait what am i looking at here oh yeah here it is meet the team sammy you
uh all right what uh what else is there to say here um there's also one of the funniest
moments of why is when late i've watched like three times also uploaded as a Floatplane clip
watch here for as long as you want what do you mean watch here for as long as you want
okay uh Dan do i have audio ready when you are okay oh wait hold on
clearly whoever was on this account watched it as well oh wait well where where am i supposed to
go i don't know i'm assuming the beginning watch here for as long as you want okay
hold on hold on okay i can't hear Dan
okay hold on hold on
so luke thought he beat me but he was parked illegally
watch you close
don't die dude you're because i jumped to the stairs dude you're booking it oh i was flying
yeah you're booking it i love how it takes so long for the exposure to change that i'm just like
at the end oh my god wait where are you going oh i remember this yeah
that's
so i'm showing off parking spot number two that i shouldn't park
jesus christ why'd you at wan you'd be at wan you i knew you i knew we had no spots available
wait where's he he's going now where's he think he's going i was i was calculating
you're trying to run me over in reverse no no no no i was i was i was trying to see if i could
make this you guys ended up spotting it i knew i took the last spot you're just ripping it
oh do you think he could have tried to get in here only he can he could have maybe gotten in
but he wouldn't have been able to get out so i had the same yep yeah i'm telling him i'm winning
why is wan late because he was parked in the henny cab stop oh you can't do that you can't do that
you can't do that we're so i think luke is the main wan late he has 14 seconds to be here
yeah i had to park him did we have you running toward the building
you can't do that i can't do what park in the handicap spot oh i know i didn't
it's only been a handicap spot since we moved into this building almost 11 years ago i haven't
worked out of this building for so long i think i haven't actually worked out of this building
since like 2018 that's hilarious do you think about it i love it anyway um meet our most handsome
hardworking high iq charitable chivalrous ambitious dripped out skibbity employee at LMG.gg
slash Floatplane he once lent me one of his seven lambos when i was stranded super chill
guy what a chill guy um all right thank you for that i don't know if him repeatedly saying don't
leak it is him like trying to get us to leak it or a hundred percent so are we supposed to leak it
then leak what i said all the stuff that he wrote no like the video that you wrote oh no not that
the meet sammy one oh no no we can let them watch that okay yeah the people can watch it's good
of course it is cold and interviews him and honestly i think he did a great job really
yeah oh that's cool i haven't watched it yet yep all right what do you want to talk about next
uh should we talk about um Floatplane doing a thing yeah sure let's do it where's that topics
there any yeah just uh talk about it i guess um yeah so Floatplane did a thing this is something
that had been like very minorly leaked in the past not a lot but some people kind of picked up
we've also been teasing it a lot like if you guys have seen luke like like show me something on his
phone but be like oh we can't tell the people about it for pretty much the last like six months
almost it's usually that it's usually something to do with uh this this deal that's been ongoing in
the background for for quite some time can i flip over to your screen yeah so sauceplus.com
you might recognize the name sort of because it's uh very close to open sauce so we're working with
open sauce uh you might know william osmond's convention it's a company which is why i'm
referring to it as open sauce because we're working with a variety of people um and they have
some other creators that they're bringing on you might recognize this guy he has a channel
on the platform as well and i believe there's more um creators coming uh in the future um
and one of the big things that they're pushing is some exclusive shows including scare the coyote
which i watched and it's very fun it's relatively similar to another show that i like a lot so it
was kind of a shoe in for me enjoying it but yeah very cool especially if you're interested in
into the the creators that are on it and if you want a um if you want to know more about it on
william osmond's youtube channel there is i probably could have prepped this part but yeah
there's this video we made a show scare the coyote episode one and you can go check that out and
he'll talk more about it yeah um we've got a question from nokey yes why not just integrate
this into Floatplane as a channel like many other channels have that was uh an option we
offered that uh they wanted their own thing they have some of their own ideas of of how they want
to kind of take stuff and um how they want to work with different creators it is a uh one fee
for the whole platform model which is interesting how they end up kind of divvying that up we were
on the tech side of things we are we are hosting the service we we develop the service you will
notice even the front page is like Floatplane related i think there's looks a little better
than ours but oh yeah it's it's it's related and if you go into the service the service looks
quite similar um but but we're we're hosting the things um so what they actually do with it
later on is is kind of up to them i don't want to say too many of the ideas that they've brought
up because yeah you never know what they'll ran into those problems before because you might
change your mind or do things slightly differently so i'm not trying to commit them to anything
but it's a it's a little bit of a different business model and um they are more the ones
that are handling things like creator recruitment or or whatever else so um yeah we've had on our end
i can talk about our end it's been going pretty well so far we had one bit of a kerfuffle which
we've ran into way in the past but it's been a really long time email is hard email is really
hard like you you take email for granted but like as far as i can tell it's just like canada post
just like canada post sometimes it's just on strike
yeah so we had i think it was yeah it was google uh got upset about you know some new domain
blasting out a crazy amount of emails um so we we sorry emails stopped blasting we had a temporary
fix for that and then a more permanent one is is coming in there luckily people seem to be reacting
pretty quickly i think largely because the emails are pretty obviously not spam because next to
everything so far is just you know hey verification link hey payment confirmation just stuff like
that so it's it's pretty simple um but yeah it's going well so far excited to see the the future
of it um a lot of the work that was done on this like one of the honestly one of the only reasons
why we were i can't even say one of the only reasons why we were interested one of the only
reasons why we were able to be completely honest yeah is because the vast i'm talking over 90 percent
of the work that was done on this is work that benefited flow plane like there was things that
benefited the stability we touched server architecture we touched like people one of the
leaks as to like yeah we've been working on a thing is the the april fools thing that flow plane did
where and you go to my screen and we we left it up because people like it so much we'll probably
move these into user settings at a certain point but you can change the appearance wow
i wonder why we may have needed a really simple and easy tool for managing reskins
and and changing appearance of things so like nice there are things that were done
where the the thought process for like jaden or peter or or or jonathan or aj whoever else
was working on this um largely went like okay how do we adapt and build this thing so that it's
going to benefit us and them and make it so that when we maintain this thing in the future it's
maintaining one thing pushing everything that benefits two things so like okay say we push an
update to the player we want to make sure that that update to the player that happens updates
both sides yeah so like it isn't a completely copy and paste of all the maintenance that we
need to do um it's not a complete copy paste at all there's a bunch of little changes here there
but like even even little things like they're their buttons work slightly differently like their home
button works slightly differently than our home button oh i thought you were going to show me
okay uh i'm not logged into the cell space on this one but um and the reasoning why is if you if you
think about the flow there's is one platform all creators uh for one subscription ours is individual
subscriptions per creator yeah so their home button they want to see all the creators right that makes
way more sense our home button bringing you to all the creators on the platform would be silly yeah
so jaden built the thing where it's like not super annoying to like maintain that moving forward
which was smart so we didn't just go in and just change the links we built a tool that makes it
easier to maintain it makes it that if we wanted to change things or experiment things with ever
it's like scalable and blah blah blah blah like it's smart i remember telling ncix back when they
hard forked ncix.com and ncix us.com um that what a disaster that was going to be and even though i
had like no background in development or whatever it was amazing how right i ended up being um like
by a year in it was just like catastrophic how far behind the u.s. site had fallen in terms of
like features and implementation and appearance even yeah um unique username says now it's Linus
swallowing yons all the time during this show that's rare it's usually luke um it was it's been a
very long week it's been a very challenging week i'm sure my numbers are slightly off um but when
i woke up yesterday not today i i had roughly calculated that i was from sunday morning 11
hours of sleep in nice on a thursday nice because we were launching this new platform
and scrapyard warzing at the same time along with like other stuff going on in my like personal
life and whatnot so it was uh it was wild um but it was a good time launch went pretty smooth you
know you always expect a couple bumps here or there and we had a couple bumps here and there but it
seemed to mostly be okay the email one was the most major one there were some other smaller ones but
they were dealt with pretty quickly um and people seem pretty happy so far which is cool another thing
that's cool about this is just like um you know full plane bit off a lot when it first started we
committed to a lot of different features and stuff so a lot of our time has gone into just
keeping up with that already um but as the internet does you you want to grow and improve over time
so we're hoping that like this helps scale up the the income that full plane effectively has so we
can grow the team so we can bring more features to flow plane and also sauce plus because now
like if we improve something if we add a new feature to flow plane sauce plus is going to get
it if sauce plus wants a new feature and we build that feature for sauce plus flow plane's going to
get it say trials for instance sure which is something that we've wanted for a long time
there's i mean since day one there's many documents of things i can list out that we've
wanted for a long time yeah um but like it would also benefit them um so if we can build it now and
it benefits both and and you know it's just it's standard business stuff but it's exciting for me
because there's so many different things like we want to our casting is like a problem uh
we don't have tv apps which those things go hand in hand because like a lot of places kind of like
cheat in how they handle casting right uh because they don't actually handle casting they just pass
the request to an app that's on the tv because casting even even for like google if i remember
correctly google doesn't even use chromecast the way that like chromecast is originally supposed
to be used they just pass the request to a youtube app on the tv which makes way more sense yeah
so like ideally we want to have tv apps so that we can do that because most of the pure casting
solutions that i found are a little bit clunky and ours is pretty notably clunky um so yeah we
want to invest some time into a tv app we want to do lots of other things down the line trust me
there's there's many features we would love to add um but uh the spice has got to flow the spice
is kind of and this is a way for us to scale which is super cool i'm really excited you know what
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my fellow WAN shonians we could do a merge messages or some more topics you get to pick
you want a six or a seven we do another merge message after the other announcements yeah okay
we did um why don't we talk about zip tie tuning yeah zip tie tuning is a thing now normally
policy these days because i don't know i guess we're corporate now or whatever
and there are reasons for it thank you for that luke that's really really helpful when we're trying
to explain you know why we have the policies that we do and anyway just add it to the pile of spit
normally policies we don't really talk about employee departures so close so close but i am
going to make a bit of an exception here and just beg for forgiveness later
alex and andy have launched their new automotive channel zip tie tuning so i just wanted to give
a shout out and make sure everyone takes a minute of their time maybe not a full minute like you
should probably get good if it takes you a full minute to do this um a moment of their time to go
check out zip tie tuning on youtube we are extremely grateful for everything that they've
done and everything they've meant to our team over the years uh we're confident that they're
going to crush it and of course you guys are going to be a key part of that so um making a
judgment call here no one's called me yet there we go zip tie tuning is a thing i fell
into their channel in under a minute so uh way to go gamer i'm pretty good all right what else
we got for today uh start minimizing some of these things i have not been minimizing stuff i have
not been doing that wow that's my fault novice oh you didn't minimize team viewer way to go
he lies i don't have to minimize team viewer because i'm deleting it boom you know we pay for
an alternative go for it uh okay uh GPU trends study 2025 from liquid web liquid web has published
a white paper with some interesting statistics on GPU's 57 percent of gamers have been prevented
from buying a new GPU due to price hikes or scalping with another 43 percent delaying or
canceling a GPU upgrade due to other financial obligations 73 percent of gamers would buy
NVIDIA if brands performed equally 64 percent of gamers are currently using an NVIDIA brand GPU i
mean i guess if we count integrated graphics it sounds like they're not talking specifically
about discrete i think that stat is maybe a little useless that's pretty misleading yeah
42 that what that happens a lot with these types of studies 42 percent of gamers uh have a maximum
GPU budget of under 500 i should hope so me too i mean over 500 dollars used to mean you were like
a mega baller spending mega cash on your gaming pc i'm surprised it's 42 percent i would expect a lot
higher than that to be honest that makes me feel like this might be a skewed demographic even dude
we have uh we have how many people have over 500 GPU i think it's a combination of things i think
it's a combination of three things i think it's really effective GPU marketing i think it's i think
it's the general wisdom being that you just dump you know most of your budget into your GPU to get
the the most gaming performance and uh i forget what my third factor was but i think i think
basically it's a combination of things that have led people to purchase more and more and more expensive
GPU's and we have a video coming very soon um this one i worked with uh i think yeah jordan
i worked with jordan on this one where we investigated bottlenecks again which obviously
something we've talked about on the channel before me makes 6000 videos eventually end up
retreading some ground but um in the context of the 5090 and elijah's most average pc so we took
the most average pc which had a 30 60 in it in its most average configuration and i think it was
like a i want to say like a 12 100 1200 400 i can't remember it had some six core processor in it
and we upgraded it from a 30 60 all the way to a 50 90 and evaluated how that impacted the
performance at 1080p and at 4k now as you can probably imagine you know performance went up a lot
but that's uh you know 20 realistically by the time you get you know an oc one with three
four fans or whatever on it you were talking like 2500 us dollars if you're lucky right so
hold on a second with this very average pc how much of that performance jump could i get
spending like 800 bucks on like a um a Radeon 90 70 or 90 70 xt i think this is cool it echoes the
conversation we had about the the price predictor thing we were talking about a while ago where
like you need to consider the price of the whole system and so you know it looks like
58 percent of gamers have a maximum GPU budget that's over 500 but unless 58 percent of gamers
have honestly a pretty banging system maybe they shouldn't maybe we've just all been kind of
suckered in by the conventional wisdom here oh right i remember the third thing right so the
the three things i meant to say was GPU marketing um conventional wisdom and the fact that like GPU
really happened i mean we've talked about it extensively in scrapyard wars yeah where we
would put like 80 percent of our budget into a GPU and then put together whatever craptastic system
we possibly could just to get the thing running and i think now that GPU's have kind of
slow slowed down a little bit in terms of how much they're improving gen over gen i think
CPU's might have kind of like caught up a little bit to the point where um
you don't necessarily need the latest GPU to get the best gaming experience especially if you're
still gaming at 1080p which as we saw when we did our steam most average pc video most people
still are and even if you're not i i think the allure of 4k doesn't actually seem in the in the
like tv space and stuff absolutely on the desktop monitor for me prime resolution is 1440 and has
been for a long time and like i feel like it kind of will be for a while i'm moving forward still
yeah last year for scrapyards yeah yeah you did elijah we both did i bought in i bought in it's
okay it's only if only there was someone who could have told us that what what who's that guy i don't
know he looks like an idiot though who the f**k is lyanna sabastian uh anything else uh oh wow
as many as 62 of pc gamers would apparently switch to cloud gaming if latency were eliminated i mean
i guess yeah that's fair enough if latency were eliminated but that's that's basically like saying
would you would you switch to would you switch to a uh 3d printed food if the flavor were identical
to your regular food and the nutrition was perfect it's like well okay yeah sure yeah you can't just
be like if this hypothetical thing i can't achieve were the case would you use it well yeah i mean
but latency cannot be eliminated latency can only be reduced surveys are so tough man yeah like
what about the video encoding this all the time well yeah exactly you watch a train going past a
forest on youtube and it just turns to blocks i'm gonna have the hyper detailed like speckles
and stars that so many games are putting in now exactly even mario kart world has tiny little
particles and pizzazz and sparkles and stuff like that exactly it's not gonna be possible to get rid
of well i mean not possible is a strong statement i don't know i'm just trying to will the universe
to make me wrong i love it actually good strategy impossible impossible it's impossible it can't be
done yeah not even with inside out encoding oh compression rather so excuse me i like the
demonstration yeah it keeps doing very good wait how'd they do the demo did they do it like this
no no no uh back and forth it's tip to tip yeah that's right there's four of them i think you were on
the earlier model that's right sorry yeah not efficiently and then you can adjust for heights
as well right right right right right right right yeah requires the gimbal oh yeah it was a sorting
algorithm yeah switch to users report online service bands after using mig flash cartridges
okay i haven't actually read this yet but um we knew it was my first thing my first thing here is
what were you thinking being the first one to put a mig flash cartridge into a switch to
surely you you knew the risk right anyway uh whether you're loading up games you own or games
you've pirated inserting a mig card into your switch to is going to result in a bad time ever
code 21 34 4508 will pop up you will be banned from online activity youtuber scattered brain
received the error message tried to factory reset their switch to and essentially bricked it because
they are no longer able to sign into a nintendo account mig creators are telling users to be
extra careful the cartridges product page notes that it serves as a backup and development device
solely supporting gaming using personal game backups to maintain the mig flash warranty during
online play it is essential to utilize self-dumped backups with authentic certificate uid and card
set it now with all of that said our discussion question is has nintendo gone too far i don't
like the e-waste of this even outside of the like ethical questions of like you should own
something that you buy which is like a massive important conversation here but just e-wasting
devices like devices that they made a profit on just throwing that out there nintendo has
been very upfront about the fact that they are no longer following the console pricing
sort of paradigm of selling the hardware at a loss and then making it up on the software they
controllers and stuff they sell the hardware for a profit some of it yeah to your point at a very
considerable profit and i don't know man this is one of those things where on the one hand
obviously i understand that companies want to try to mitigate piracy and mitigate the
you know let's let's put ourselves in their heads for a second right like the the theft of
their intellectual properties is how a lot of companies perceive this and i think that nintendo
would absolutely be one of them so i understand the motivation here but the flip side of it is like
i have such a hard time with companies punishing users for not buying enough of their stuff
and it's something that has always kind of bothered me about the apple ecosystem it's like
oh you want battery battery monitoring for your air pods that we could easily implement on Android
well we don't because i don't know you buy an iphone um and it's like but i already gave you
i already gave you two hundred and fifty dollars was that not enough i'm i'm sorry you know and
i love how in this in this you're looking up well that's how that's where apple is interesting
that that's that's where their own s is oh which is where they're inside oh um
um and so and so you know for for nintendo here too like especially like to luke's point with
how expensive the first party accessories are and stuff oh man like i could i could see them i
could see them you know doing something i don't even know i don't even know what what they would do
exactly but forever bricking the console i just can't yeah like this is um and and it was pointed
out actually um in some of the comments on our videos sort of discussing the switch too that
nintendo is not the first to reserve the right to do this but to my knowledge i don't think
sony has ever actually bricked a playstation for is that a thing sony i that's what someone said
in the comments under our videos so make it that what you will john d or something no so
this is um this is from as far as i know this is new ground that we're treading is it not
and i i don't i don't like it so okay scrappy dp says they just bricked the console or the software
not the console but does it i mean i mean but i mean come on what are you buying when you buy a switch
too bent bob says nintendo has not gone too far in their opinion if the switch to ban was due to
the console being connected to nintendo servers at the time of using a mig switch cart then this is
more or less what microsoft and sony have done on prior hardware connected to the internet
if it's baked into firmware to check if offline it would still be in line with prior consoles if
you hack or run backups you'll have to be careful and accept the consequences i mean yeah that's um
that's fair enough do be careful the mig site says it's compatible with switch to you seriously
still that's insane that's insane wonderful plain shot said it i did respond to them it's not
technically false i mean yeah just for sure gets you banned well not necessarily for sure but it's
like that's that's crazy it's like them saying their genitals are compatible with your butt but
not warning you about like that it might be uncomfortable wow i think i'm gonna move on
on nexus mods has been sold
yeah speak your wish
uh the world's biggest modding site has been sold by founder robin dark one scott after 24 years
the site was founded in 2001 as tes nexus or tes nexus or the elder scrolls nexus i remember that
time um the new ownership was initially only known by first names and handles but has now
been revealed to be a company called chosen whose website doesn't reveal much i don't think we have
it linked but says doesn't reveal much but smells an awful lot like venture capital one of the new
owners posted an announcement that nexus mods's core model will remain unchanged saying mods will
always remain free that chosen has no plans to claim ownership of uploaded mods and whoa i mean that
would be a if you want a pr disaster pull that move um and that lifetime accounts are safe
a nexus mods spokesman told pc gamer that the new owners are on site with nexus mods team of 40
people and that the focus is on continuity the new owners have made it clear that additional
monetization is on the way but that users will likely see less ads and that they'll reveal more
about themselves when they've earned that right everything else sounded pretty cool but it's not
about earning the right to reveal more about yourselves it's about being transparent at the
beginning like this screwdriver yeah coming soon at lttstore.com that was beautiful um thank you
but yeah figure it out you really did like you uh yeah just like tell people who the heck you are
that's uh that's it's pretty straightforward at step one uh the less ads thing to me actually does
kind of make sense a little bit does it though if you think about the people going to a modding
site what percentage of them have ad blockers how much are you actually making on the ads
they're probably just looking at it and going like hmm this is just friction for what yep
might as well find things that make like real money like what though i really don't know because
that's my concern yes it's not like they would have bought this out of the goodness of their hearts
yeah i think their model right now is decent you get like better download rates and stuff
okay um i don't know do you know if collections are locked behind subscriptions Dan i have no idea
the only thing that i know about it is the download rate limiting yeah i think i think most of the
mods are like five megs so it doesn't matter they're just like any tweaks a lot of the time
and then you get the big texture overhauls yeah stuff like that which are mini gigs yeah
especially if you replace like every texture in a game like i feel like skyrim modding is like
more impacted by the by the download rate thing oh yeah because you're gonna download 500 i want
the new ideas though like other than jacking up the price on that like what's what's the new ideas
i have no i genuinely no idea but they don't they're not adding their oh man the ads are annoying
there's an ad but look it's actually being hidden partially there's this banner all the way across
the bottom for oh god icky thing and then there's this other thing that's actually covered wait one
ad is covering up another ad you can't fully see it because of our box that we're in yeah but but
this right here is another ad that half of it is covered up by the banner ad at the bottom
that's wild i would be so pissed if i was the ad in the background yo dog i heard you like ad
so i put ad in your ad so you can add will you add this all is an ad too i actually thought
this was just like talking about mods so the entire site right now is this sliver in the middle
hot take wow yeah is this okay for what you got at an excess mods for free uh i mean yeah sure
can i get worse than this they have to they have 40 employees seems pretty pretty bad or
somehow i mean it does seem pretty bad but they all have close buttons on them
and i just wasn't pressing them so like let's see do they actually close yep and then it's not that
bad there's another ad yeah but if i scroll down from the big one at the top then there's just this
one which i can also close was that one behind the other two ads yes i think wow pretty wild
um we don't even see where there's subscription oh here we go go premium so what do i get don't
tell me to register first just tell me what i get fast downloads uncapped download speed one click
collections yeah so i think collections are behind it um ad free experience all right so that's why
i wasn't familiar with how bad it is um support mod creators this is a big part of the reason
why i do it because i don't money goes to the mod creators and i do also think this is cool
so maybe they're gonna add things to the premium can't imagine what yeah that's my problem i've
been sitting here the whole time you've been talking not really listening to what you're saying
trying to think of what they could add that would add value to okay actually are you aware of what
collections are i assume it's just like a bunch of different mods and people can like make them and
then you just like so you can be a curator who plans out a package and they also plan out like
a load order and everything so all the difficult parts of modding can be done in a collection
and then you just put it in which is actually like a killer feature and i think that i think
you can still engage with collections without it but you have to like individually do everything
so they root they remove a lot of the tedium of modding which is a big part of the reason why
people don't do it so that makes sense if they could figure out a way to um
uh now it's kind of an outdated idea remember that thing i pitched you like a billion years ago
where it was like a system tray tool that would make every unskippable thing skippable like at the
beginnings of games and stuff like that so it basically like run on your system and then just
like it would just like delete the the files for like pre-game launch videos and stuff like that
yeah because that used to be something that you could mod out of games and i feel like either
it's become more difficult or people just don't bother anymore um and they've become so much
more unskippable and irritating um a lot of them have moved in engine yeah um one thing that i've
been seeing a lot of uh in response to this is people being worried about not safe for work mods
which i don't think is going to happen because yeah they'd be crazy that would be like buying
tumblr and not realizing that it was all about the pool yeah what i was gonna say is like okay
that did happen this isn't yahoo though this is like who knows who it is which is part of the
problem but like especially because of the who knows who it is i don't expect they're going to take
away the not safe for work stuff um what if they leaned into it that would they'd make money there
honestly my gut tells me if anything it will be more because if you look at the trajectory
of the internet over the last while um you can't go from a hundred percent to more than a hundred
percent it's not a hundred percent i don't know i know i just i just mean the internet in general
oh yeah yeah from the last little while try from when it was invented no but it's also been way
more socially acceptable like look at uh that that fan company oh yeah but dyson only fans yeah we were
literally we were literally a creator on it you're gonna avoid saying the name i was doing a laugh
he thinks they're cringe do i people who subscribe on only fans oh yeah you support mod creators yeah
yeah same thing no identical you are just as bad as one i'll show you all my mods please don't
fans
but please don't not on stream we we want to keep our i don't mud that way down
oh you're lame speaking i keep doing oh wait you have a girlfriend never one of one of the like
one of the like first comments in float playing chat before we even went live was talking about
this and they were like don't take what's that something blade what new social play like
playstation game that came out but it's also on pc um mountain blade no oh the one that you will
not know the ones that like mods are totally fine was that the some company just came out with it
recently stellar blade yeah that one junior blade that's a nickname for it oh and it has mods on
nexus mods and one of the first comments in full plain chat that i saw was like don't take those ones
away please anyway so i think it's that community that's mostly worried because
that's where there's been like a bit of a line there's been some political lines with nexus mods
and there's also been the not safe for work line which is there is a level that they don't accept
i see so are they gonna pull that level back and be more restrictive or are they gonna push that
level forward and accept more stuff right if i had to guess if it's one or the other if they
adjusted at all they might just leave it but if it's one or the other i think they're gonna
push it forward and allow more stuff all right speaking of keeping our stream online i was really
hoping to use that segue while we still remembered that Dan said that i was trying to set you up for
it twitch has posted new simulcasting guidelines that tldr state that the WAN Show uh could get us
in trouble on twitch maybe sort of they state that the twitch user experience of a simulcast stream
must be no less than the experience on other platforms or services including chat engagement
you also shouldn't provide links or otherwise direct your community to watch your stream on
other platforms say for instance LMG dot gg slash Floatplane oh well no that's not really a good
link down there yeah we're sorry you can't use third party services to combine activity with
other platforms and there was a immediate question from our community and here i'm just going to uh
i'm just going to bring this up here does this mean because we have to provide the same experience
to all platforms that view the WAN Show when it is simulcast does this mean the WAN Show will
finally read twitch chats a lot of just saying these are not new by the way they're almost two
years old they're just enforcing it now he didn't even check with me before posting this
well it wouldn't make any sense but he's a hundred percent right yeah agreed to need to
check in twitch chat lost it's wise man lost it's chatting with us privileges man a long time ago now
i think a while ago despite being you held on for a while i did i gave up a long time i did i i held
out for a long time but twitch chat they they uh they lost their privileges they lost their privileges
a very long time ago do we still have our little custom agreement thing going on uh i don't know
you used to have some some fancy boy privileges yeah we we had a pretty special agreement that we
signed with twitch a very long time ago we were the first to be allowed to stream non gaming content
on the platform and we were also the first to have a carve out for simulcasting that was
explicitly allowed under our agreement with them to my knowledge and that was because
twitch was expanding into the youtube mcn or multi-channel network space back in the day
and recruit they wanted to make a big push into tech and recruited us i believe as their first
channel um so we signed a deal with them where they were our mcn uh we got a 100 revenue share
for our youtube ad sense which i insisted on and made absolutely no sense for them so i don't know
why they did that but they did and then they also agreed to special terms for us because i was like
guys look i can't i can't be twitch exclusive for like streaming and like i can't i can't do this
stuff because i'm i'm a youtuber first and foremost and you're like my youtube mcn you're not looking
to like you're not looking to kneecap my ability to grow on youtube are you like that would be that
would be wild and so they they signed these special carve outs for us and then within a matter of like
i forget if it was months or it was weeks our contact at twitch for the whole mcn program was gone
and it just disappeared so to my knowledge nobody else ever signed with them or maybe like a handful
of other people did and i don't know if they had the same carve outs so we have always been allowed
to multi stream with no restrictions and we have always been allowed to upload non gaming content
with no real restrictions on it um and if not i guess and if they decide not to honor that
agreement anymore well then i guess uh people give them the old f*** you team viewer yeah
which is fine i mean realistically i don't think we really need twitch that badly at this point
i used to like twitch so much i think they're yeah i used to like fanboy over them like super
hard like i was at one point i was worried you were gonna quit and go work at twitch no i mean i
can understand never don't pretend you never thought about it did i i think so i don't think so
i mean i don't i don't mean seriously consider i don't mean sat there thinking do i sign the
offer or not i just mean like don't tell me you never like thought about well there was one
exactly i wasn't i wasn't gonna that's what i'm talking about i'm just saying i'm just saying you
fanboyed pretty hard i they were really cool i really liked a lot of people that worked there
they did cool stuff hold on a second guys you cannot like twitch you know luke is less enamored
with them these days too yeah totally fine but let's let's be real about why we don't like twitch
kate john mesh and Floatplane chat says twitch went so money hungry it was disgusting
still lose money twitch has never made money yeah i don't agree with that to be honest like if anything
twitch might be a healthier more vibrant platform if they could figure out how to be profitable yeah
um that is that is not yeah that is not a dude oh yeah elige is in the chat brother
they went money hungry because they have never had a profitable year yeah that's the thing and i
know people compare them to i think it's kick because people are actually making more money on kick
but i i mean kick is just funded by like gambling stuff crypto gambling yeah like what do you what
do you want it's not it's not funded by the actual viability of what the platform is doing so we
have to compare apples to apples if you want to call twitch money hungry like butt heads or whatever
you have to compare them to someone who is running a healthy uh self-sufficient profitable business
and is you know doing better by their users like you can't just that's not why i'm not as into
twitch these days no i know i know i think it's mostly the vibe yep the vibe just changed the
vibe shifted um as much as like what you're not into just like girls and hot tubs not really
to be honest i always i always thought about that boy that boy
i always thought about him i yeah i don't know i now you can do anything on twitch which like
sounds cool but it also means that it just doesn't feel very focused if that makes sense yeah
why twitch like youtube i like yeah exactly yeah like i love youtube to be clear and youtube is
super not focused so like yeah but that's its identity youtube is it's you on the tube yeah
yeah twitch had kind of a focus it had an identity and now it's just sort of kind of
everything and then because it's kind of everything but then also not people are constantly
trying to fight and push the boundaries on different things and like
it's just i don't know it was it was a simpler time which is a very generic and boring and
easy thing to say but it just actually kind of was jamesh with the um i don't know what's a
what's a terrible take is a terrible take ice cold or red hot i miss facebook gaming
haha hashtag mixer don't worry i know you're kidding jamesh if you wanted a a mess oh lordy latency mess
all right oh man why is it always bad news when show why do people even tune into this show if
they want to leave feeling good about the world the nexus mods news is who knows yet news 23 and
me cofa i mean oh do come on that's gonna be bad name name
name three name i don't know if i can name one name one time private equity has acquired something
and made it better one time i'm not gonna be able to answer this but i actually wonder if the chat
even can come on is there an example i don't have one straight up i don't have one right here it's
not the point of private echo come on right here put it right here the one type toys are us
oh my chat froze dang it hold on i'm missing all of this
rats twitch chat misses farm fill uh so i don't think anyone did
valve acquiring devs is not private equity
is does no private account is so hold on i don't think so no no so private equity
is a company that serves no purpose other than to be a vehicle for acquiring companies and then
gotting and and not venture capital venture capital is more like investment in startups with
the idea that they will you're funding them to develop new ideas so they will like grow exponentially
most of them will die but some of them will be you know moonshots and will be very successful
private equity takes established businesses and buys them and then just milks them um
okay wait do i think you're the wrong
you think you got you think illy lily got way better
these need buying star wars okay again that's not private equity that's
an m&a that's like a merger and acquisition disney is a media company also you're wrong
let's see psychotech says toys are us in canada is owned by putman investments okay
and toys are us canada did did manage to do okay um
um
again you guys seem oh man a lot of these you guys seem to not quite um
be giving me private equity examples so when future shop was about to go bankrupt in canada
best buy bought them out and carried on their gift cards and warranties etc but best buy is not
a private equity firm best buy is an electronics retailer that bought an about to go bankrupt
slash defunct electronics retailer and then absorbed their them effectively to take over
their leases to uh to take the customer base so that's not private equity um
i forgot the question
apparently nabisco according to gemini says angry panda pc
um
yeah i'm not getting a lot of
ambler says oh jx the roomscape devs has apparently been private equityed a few times and is still
going but that's mostly due to certain staff actually getting through i think people are misusing
the term private equity like like who are they acquired by yeah no private equity you have to
be like uh like a berkshire hathaway where you are not a real company you don't actually like
make cars or games or media you a lot of the strat is just a vehicle for money to come in
and then be spent on things and grow that's it a lot of the strat is you buy a bunch of the same
type of business in an area unify them all under one banner use the same like it hr whatever systems
to save some money and then pump up prices because you own all the businesses of that type in the
area it's like an effective way to reduce some costs in the business in order to increase profit
margins and then effectively have a monopoly and crank the price on everybody and um put the grips
on consumers and that can be done by private equity or it can be done by just a large monopolistic
participant in the space like i remember chatting with a friend of mine who uh works for a company
that does software for medical offices like managing customer lists and stuff like that and
they were acquired at some point by a competitor who is just basically norming up uh all the little
guys and then consolidating and so that they can so they can raise pricing but that's still
not private equity that's just a monopolistic competitor buying everybody um geeky vapor
says vca canada the vet company yeah there you go yeah glow says today Linus learns nobody
knows what private equity is because they're all ass um okay okay steven in Floatplane chat says
my company transact campus was under private equity and we were sold to roper technologies
and it worked out but you were interesting i don't think that's the question though because
they were under private equity and then they sold out of private equity you weren't you weren't
profitable enough to keep better which is like the opposite of what we're talking about i think
well i mean yeah they were sold again so is that it working out maybe that's it working out i don't
uh okay you know what let's move on let's move on the point is yeah the 23 there's an example
somewhere the 23 and me co-founder bids to buy back the company
let's go and wajiki's winning bid was 305 million how do you get to run a company that
so catastrophically collapses and have 305 million dollars oh there are so many examples
of this yeah i know i know goodness look it's a rhetorical question let's go now we've got
examples now i can make list she resigned when the company announced the bankruptcy um declared
concerns over privacy issues has a non-profit now ttam 23 and me which made the bid she gets
substantially all of the genetic testing firms assets ttam will comply with all applicable
state privacy laws as if it were a for-profit entity they've also stated they won't sell or
transfer customers genetic data in case of a merger acquisition or bankruptcy unless the
entity is another domestic non-profit research institution that will adopt the same privacy
statements bankruptcy court case still has to approve the sale okay i mean this is better than
it just like being out there um wait i'm a little lost here the has a non-profit now ttam
23 and me which made the bid yeah like she's running a non-profit called 23 and me which
essentially a company called 23 yeah um well good luck everybody i still um strongly believe
that anyone who submitted their data to 23 and me is eventually going to have it available
for sale at some point yeah i mean it was just the same person bought it okay uh etsy is cracking
down a 3d printed project uh products etsy has introduced new which i kind of like because
i think being able to sell 3d printed products is cool but i'd like some distinction personally
etsy has introduced new rules uh new rules changes stating okay uh that anything made
by a seller using computerized tools really any including cnc wow such as laser printers 3d
printers cnc or cricket is it cricket or crycut cricket cricket or cricket machines must be produced
based on the seller's original design okay originally an online bizarre of handmade crafts
and vintage clothing etsy became flooded with mass produced trinkets sold by drop shippers
resellers and large 3d print farms all 3dp notes that if your etsy business model is solely based
on 3d printing licensed digital models and you're not interested in adding custom features to your
products now is the time to transition from etsy to another platform so this is this is pretty
interesting well hold on a second it's good hold on a second hold on a second i think that it's
cool that etsy has defined an identity for themselves yeah and is taking steps to enforce it
that's why i think it's cool however however this is one of those decisions that i kind of
am looking at going what will be the unintended consequences let's say that i'm someone who is
super into creating cool designs and i license them to a lot of people which is making money for me
and allowing me to continue to create more designs maybe even do it as a full-time job
are we cutting off that lifeline if that particular person is not interested in running a 3d printing
farm and dealing with the logistics of shipping out hundreds of little little bird shaped water
feeders or whatever i understand the argument i don't agree with it i'm not making an argument
i'm just asking a question no and i'm not saying it's necessarily your argument or anything but
to pose it as an argument regardless i don't agree with it because of what etsy like
is and this doesn't cut off the lifeline for those people on every website it just cuts
off that path through etsy which i think should happen what's the alternative where should i buy
that because that's where honestly oh so down to etsy's etsy wants their identity to be like
bespoke and crafted yeah but i got to tell you that i don't see etsy that way and their identity
is partially they should be able to defend the way that they want their identity it's partially
what they want it to be but it's also partially what it just is i agree but if it if what it is
is not what they want it to be sure they should be able to take actions to defend what they want it
to be and they're able to and i'm not i'm not saying anything about their right to do that the only
question i'm asking is what happens now oh because where i'm going to get bumped off where i would
no i don't i'm i'm talking about the the original designers i'm i'm not even talking about the
3d print farms so about those people if i the end user was like i want a 3d printed like some random
thing i would think to go to etsy i i i confess to you i would have no idea where else to go
for that i wouldn't but i understand where would you go a 3d printing website
but like
there's many of them where you can see a design you can just order it and it just gets printed
for you and then delivered but what if the thing about etsy is it's not all 3d printed
yeah there's also like laser engraving and there's like for like etsy the only thing i've ever
really thought to buy on etsy is like gifty stuff and i don't necessarily just want to see 3d printed
stuff so what's that what's an alternative marketplace no they're still gonna be 3d they're
not banning 3d printed i know yeah but etsy is supposed to be creators sure so they should defend
that i i think this completely makes sense it's not banning it off of the internet i'm not saying
it doesn't make sense hold on hold on i'm asking if the creator of the design does not want to run
a 3d printing shop sure is there okay is etsy creating a path by which that creator through
one licensed third party or something could have it for sale on etsy i don't think they need to
but what okay why not uh because their thing is about connecting uh like i for christmas i bought
these little wooden uh birds for emma and they were through etsy and when i did the transaction
it put me in contact with that person we talked about it and any customizations that might be
wanted and all this other kind of stuff it's supposed to be a from my understanding and i don't
know i'm not etsy i could be wrong but from my understanding it's supposed to be a way to
um get consumers in contact with creators that are making things this spoke things yeah and if
this is not doing that because it's a pass through then that is not how they want their website to
really work and that's fine where do i go to find that now and other websites on the internet now
i know there's other websites on the internet so okay but we keep let me see if i can find some
we keep dodging my question um my question my question is maybe Dan understands my question
my question is mr Dan i am the creator of something maybe it is a an engraving template
or maybe it is a 3d printed thing or maybe it is it is it is some kind of uh you know stl for
some kind of uh you know cnc something it's something um i do not wish to sell it directly
and deal with the logistics and oh oh can hedge in Floatplane chat says creators who don't want
to bother with the logistics will probably just hire out to a management firm which will do all
that for them and manage their account and stuff that is very optimistic but probably probably not
if they didn't want to do in the first place they probably don't want to do so if they so
right now the the the reseller of license to designs network that as far as i can tell
largely uses etsy to sell these these creations if if their source of income is those people
all i'm asking is what will happen to them where does that customer go to find that what is the
what's the etsy alternative there's sites online where you can sell your 3d printing files
yes but i'm not i'm not only talking about 3d printing i think the consumer in this case that
Linus is talking about wants the 3d printed object finalized um or not 3d printed just the file or
engraved or engraved or some some they want the physical object they want the physical object
and the store themselves is just getting stuff off thing averse and then making the physical
object and then selling that one thing that i've been trying to figure out just kind of in the
comments i i produce 3d print designs i have no interest in selling physical goods but i take
commissions i sell them on a store or something like that if i'm a 3d print farm this design
looks really cool i'm going to buy a i can sell this license of your 3d model and then i'm going
to sell it on my etsy store is that allowed by etsy if no the store were to go to that person
directly and commission an stl for them could they sell that on their store that i don't know
they had a team or an employee would that also count i think yes yeah so is commissioning not
a bad idea so what is wrong with licensing then would the commissioner give a license for only
that store because you i mean you could sell that stuff on Shopify you could sell that stuff on amazon
exactly but i think the the thing that's getting in the middle here is that they're just producing
physical goods that don't require craftsmanship or that much craftsmanship i shouldn't be too
disparaging um yeah how but the file is like the problem it's the owner of the file that's where
etsy's drawing the line they're saying that the only person who can sell a good created with a file
if they own the item is the creator of the file i think it's more creator than owner yes it's the
creator of the file because licensing is not allowed and to be clear i fully understand what
they're trying to achieve here they're trying to they're trying to take the site from what it is now
which is essentially like a like a dumping ground of really reproduced um you know digital
huha that's you know sold by a whole bunch of licensees of in many cases a lot of duplicate
files just grabbing free stuff right yeah so i want to make it abundantly clear that i fully
understand the issue that is not the problem and i fully recognize etsy's right to maintain their
own identity for what they are my question is the people who are making their living licensing
these files that they have created which may not be 3d printed they may be something else
for me as a as a pretty normie in terms of like you know shopping online i actually don't
do a ton of shopping online i i can't i don't know like what the what the place i would go to
to just like find kitschy sort of in this case i guess licensed you know stuff would be like what
etsy wants its identity to be what they want their identity to be that's well within their rights
but as a consumer that isn't the identity that etsy has managed to maintain over the last five
plus years so now that they have morphed into that they have become a central part of the business
model of the creators of these designs that is now i think i get it so where i get it yeah yeah
yeah i so you're you're talking about the creators their business model is selling to etsy shops
i personally think you're overblowing how much that happens and in in the inverse how much it's
just people taking models or buying them for like 20 from stores that already exist which
aren't going anywhere so that model is not going to change i don't want us to be too laser focused
on 3d models like every literally every post in chat is telling me but think of us think of us
think well hold on a second if you're talking about things like drop shipping then they still
engraving exact same leather work pins it's it can all just be mass produced out of a file right
yeah i know a lot of creators too who produce this stuff and sell the files selling the files
is a lot easier it could be yeah yeah well what's that um what's that type of like stitching
where you embroidery embroidery yeah you could do embroidery patterns okay which is great
so where's the hub for it exactly this stuff is currently available now on amazon uh all of it
like there are drop ship things sure are embroidered things there are 3d printed things
i mean i don't particularly want to buy on amazon um okay i don't think that's a valid answer to the
statement and and like at like i don't actually necessarily think that the shopping experience
on amazon is so very similar to the shopping experience on etsy sure like if i look i i did
really did not mean for this to be a particularly contentious topic i was no it's just a really
complicated nuanced topic um because there's a lot of different creators involved in something
like a print farm some of them are being stolen from some of them don't care because it's like okay
i want a 3d printed benchy which is now available i can go get the file but i don't know a 3d printer
i want one or you know i would like the disney logo uh cross-stitched into a t-shirt or printed
onto a t-shirt yeah somebody's maybe selling that pre-done there's like a bunch of different
avenues some some creators will embroider your stuff but that's like you're going to a business
service um it's very confusing and i don't know how they're gonna try and crack down on it more
than just like a vibes thing it's i think it's largely gonna be a vibes thing i think it's gonna
be a vibes thing 3d printing is probably a little bit easier than the other stuff
i don't know i um and like i i think the i think the theft angle that uh that luke brought up
brought up is probably a really critical element not only in the way that uh you brought it up but
also from like an ip standpoint like this could be etsy just trying to cover their butts
Dan bringing up the like the disney logo thing i've had some friends get banned from etsy for
making very similar things because people want like good thing for the thing they like sometimes
you can't get a lot a lot i mean brand of things are trash a lot of the stuff that my friends make
on etsy is like better than the quality that you can get that is yeah first party yeah i'm not
surprised but that's not really allowed but it's almost it's you kind of have to know that it's
your kind of special little guy interest thing yeah i don't know i guess so what is what is the
special sauce that you're describing with it what's the shopping experience that i don't know it's
just full of like kitschy kind of crafted looking stuff that's it that's its identity to me is it's
kind of like uh it's kind of remember think geek think geek conceivably could have sold anything
and amazon probably had everything that think think geek had not that not everything some
things were think geek exclusive they made their own items but think geek had an identity its identity
was if i wanted to if i had a gamer geek person in my life and it was their birthday and i had
absolutely no idea what to buy them and for some reason they were an adult who still wanted birthday
presents i could i could go to think geek and i could probably find like a cool map of middle
earth or something that they would think is cool and i could i could buy that um and you can go
there for inspiration i guess is part of what you know the identity of a store is to me is i i have
something in my back of my mind that i kind of need something like that to serve purpose x and
that's the store that i would think to go to obviously i could go to ebay you can buy anything
on ebay like i i it's not that i can't solve this problem it's just that you know i think the i i
luke luke supports the mod creators on nexus the etsy is very very similar to that sort of mindset
yeah i can go to ebay and i can get you know 3d printed services or like plates i'm not going to
etsy to buy from a store i'm there to buy from a creator and a small team right i honestly think
we're talking about an individual incredibly like we're we're talking about the where do they go
for an incredibly small percentage of the platform i think oh the problem is that that's a small
percentage but it's the same type of thing and it's getting bigger and bigger because when somebody
cute balbasaur plant holder it's etsy by the balbasaur plant holder
so i guess no no no i i no i understand what you're saying luke you're saying that the people who
are relying on licensing their designs to people who are using a marketplace like etsy to sell them
in volume um are very few and far between and i think a lot of those people are being like robbed
and you know what i i'll be the first to admit that i don't know much about the the economics of
these engagements other than that i do know that people people do survive definitely a thing by
creating designs licensing them to whether it's engraving or 3d printing or leatherworking farms
and then using marketplaces like etsy to do numbers so i'll show you i'm going to try to find it
by the way uh this is uh this is really sad um think geek apparently was bought out by private
equity throwing back to what we were talking about before uh think geek was so cool i don't know
do you have a particular site that you like for for like buying um i don't know if you ever have
but like buying 3d printing files that i suspect you probably just make your own but oh i mean
not necessarily it's really kind of dependent on what's needed there's some very specialized
things that you might want um but most of them are available for for free and and a lot of these
people are printing and then selling like a big part of my problem i think is that a huge amount
of etsy is people downloading free 3d models that a lot of the time come with a thing saying you
can't sell this yeah most of it's open source licenses printing a thousand of them and selling
them on etsy that's the vast majority of what's happening do that we know that it's not all of
it yeah you know that for sure i've read articles about it before where etsy's concerned about
i think that's kind of what they're trying to maybe and that's what they're trying to stop
now Linus's scenario i am certain is also real i think it's just a really small percentage how
do we enable that scenario like how do we get more money into the hands of the creator without
necessarily telling the creator putting a gun to their head and being like you need to start
running your own 3d printing farm and late putting putting little trinkets and packages and putting
labels on them probably not what you want to do because you like creating this kind of comes back
into that's what i'm asking starving artist where what store do i go to where where like i can find
the etsy etsy-ness it's interesting because it's such a similar question to like the nexus mods idea
and with nexus mods the way that they've done it is they've tried to add kind of platform features
under a subscription and they've used part of the subscription to benefit the creators of the mods
which are the only reason why one is on the platform if you know what i mean so they they're
kind of reciprocating a little bit okay the mod creators are putting their mods up for free
and the only reason why you're on my website is because the mod creators did that i'm going
to charge a subscription but obviously the only reason you're here for these mods really
so i'm going to lock this some platform features that make it nicer to use my platform but i'm
going to give some kickbacks to the mod creators so is there a solution like like does for example
this is the problem is there a subscription model is there anything going on you know if if it's
it's like artist versus i guess the printing company at this point if you want to think about it in
terms of art prints and painters you know the people who are designing the 3d models are kind of the
painter and then they're like here's my painting do you want to buy one i don't really want to deal
with shipping things and then somebody just buys a license to it and then starts printing it and the
only way that the consumers is going to get it like because Thingiverse and printables and those
sorts of things are kind of like nexus mods right now anyway you know yeah like i found this i have
no idea but i found this creator on printables and there's an option to support and join club
and then you can join like a thingy that gives them some form of kickback there's loads of these
types of so i guess you can probably set up your own tiers yeah i'm assuming there's loads of these
types of websites and especially for models there's yeah for games as well it's really important
a lot of people will buy assets and a lot of people will make assets something like a 3d printed
kind of desk toy or you know amusement they're normally simpler and even there's super complicated
ones but like all this architecture isn't going away is i think what my my point was absolutely
not no yeah i just think that this is an effort to reduce slop in a way oh interesting yeah okay so
check this out so again on printables there again there are a lot of these other websites is just
the one that i'm poking around on you can see these purple things yeah pink things whatever
i highlight over it saw exclusive models so you have to be part of this person's club to download
it yeah um and then that's a subscription and there are some people sell individuals yes there
also ways you can sell individual models so this is like this is the market that these places have
had in the past okay so then um do you think it will have any impact on the number of people
that will subscribe to buddy there if there are fewer resellers places for them to sell yeah i think
there are other i mean does he sell does he have a license if somebody wants to reproduce it i don't
know we're just talking in theory no no yeah i'm talking i'm talking i'm also talking in theory
by by reducing the the sales avenues for these designs will there be an impact was my original
question and i don't know the answer to that and i do agree that the slop on etsy is an absolute
problem and i do think that it's a great point that tamping down on theft is a hundred percent
necessary but like i'm i'm just trying to i'm just trying to figure out i think i i just really think
i am sure there will be an impact on some people doing this legitimately i really think the amount
of effectively pirated non-condoned slop on etsy should go way down well no i think it was the
vast majority of all of this type of arrangement i really think the percentage of this that is
fitting under the category that you're talking about is like incredibly small and i think the
reason for that is whenever you see the prices to buy the files for these things it's cheap do you
think that part of the problem that i'm experiencing where i have this perception of etsy
is that legitimate perception of etsy is that etsy took too long to take absolutely dude yeah
they should have done this like you said five years ago or whatever okay this has been true
years for a long time so okay i think we i think we've done it then i think we've come to what was
kind of the core of what i was trying to explain where they have their idea of what their identity
but for better or for worse through their actions their identity has become something
that has created a marketplace for someone oh yeah absolutely and so what's the replacement
what is going to fill that vacuum now yeah because like you say maybe yeah i think the
traditional stores that i listed but but like you said you don't want a store that's like
3d printed junk dot com no you want a store that is things that you're interested in dot com yeah
that might also have 3d printed things i mean what if i did want a store that is again i want to
i want to make it really clear i'm not just talking about 3d printing right so what if i did
want a store that was 3d printed or laser engraved or or or etched or custom t-shirt or cnc'd or
screen printed junk dot com what is it which store is that team you team you you think so
is there is there much 3d printed i have no idea i was just tossing them under a little bit i don't
think so you can like speaking of sites where they could go sell this stuff you can third party
sell on team you for example for example um fiverr someone said i don't think i don't think fiverr
you can't browse on fiverr that's the thing like i almost wonder if etsy should like
should still have a marketplace for this but like call it something else
or something like did you kind of get what i'm talking about like it feels like there's
there's a bit of a because obviously nobody would be listing this stuff on etsy if nobody was buying
it so it's clear that there is a marketplace um that exists and i think they should pivot to being
like a second site for maybe micro services or something like that because the people on etsy are
are maker type people and i think what they're trying to target here is just like i own 15
3d printers and just make things or i own a laser cutter and make things that are random but but
that you segment that into a different website which is just kind of like
making services type things and they can advertise all the random models like Linus
wants if you take those out though if you split the service you're going to kill the whole vibe
that Linus likes maybe maybe not maybe not because honestly i miss the days of going on etsy and being
like oh wow that's a like totally custom bespoke thing that someone created me too so okay why
don't i give why don't i give some context the last time i was like browsing on etsy um i found uh
it was actually it was a 3d printed thing that i wanted to that i wanted to buy um and it was like
uh like um like a topographical um legend of zelda linked to the past world map and
it made me think about a lot of things i wondered you know who had actually made that design whether
they were properly compensated it i wondered what the printing quality would be like because it was
clearly 3d printed rather than injection molded i wondered what the licensing and trademark issues
were around nintendo's obvious ownership of that intellectual property and i didn't end up turning
that into a wancho conversation until this kind of sparked it and so you know random pirated you
know thing dot com right what is the replacement for etsy and and and shopping you know for like cool
you know topographical wall maps and the way that etsy sort of led me down a rabbit where i could
find all these kind of cool different designs i don't know it was a i didn't end up buying one but
it was you know kind of a cool shopping experience that might not exist in exactly that way anywhere
know exactly what you mean though and like Dan said a lot of the times unfortunately yeah that's
going to end up being higher quality than the real first party stuff yeah but not always sometimes
it's just not always probably most of the times all made it all makers are not created equal yeah
yeah some of them are just 3d printing farms and but some of them just make little dumb trinkets
that Linus likes and where are you gonna go yeah so i i don't know i that's the only that's the
conversation that i wanted to have um there's some people who have a while there's some people who
have kind of tried to give some suggestions someone said tindi but like they're really focused on like
hardware um but this kind of etsy's brand now isn't it this is interesting etsy hub is apparently
for sale for just 2500 us dollars like honestly that would that would kind of solve my problem
if etsy hub was just kind of like the dumping ground and then a little bit less policed and then
etsy was just like the um the actual bespoke because another thing that i think is going to
happen to etsy um as a result of this that maybe is a good thing but could impact the
shopping experience that etsy's users expect is that i suspect prices will go up a lot i have
yeah i have an idea what if you had verified type sellers so somebody who was like a maker maker
go go check mark how do you verify man yeah i honestly i i like this concept that they're
going down i think it's impossible i i've been thinking for a while that like i mean i have
this conversation with potentially both of you um my idea for an ai app because of course
uh tech bro has an idea for an ai app everyone stunned have i told have i given you this pitch
i don't think so i'll give it on the WAN Show because i don't think i'm going to have time to do it and i just hope that someone does the name that i thought of okay was uh you could
shorten it to little bro or it's little bro little or little guy little guy little guy
small little guy the name specifically little guy not little bro little guy okay and the tag
line is it's a microphone and speaker that lives in your pants oh and you can talk to it anytime
you want oh not micro guy so you can talk to your little guy no get out i could have been
talking about me please don't fire me oh man yikes okay okay okay okay okay let's get back
savage this is why i'm not allowed to talk on the show so sorry we need a mute Dan button
you have one it's in the bottom left oh i get wrecked um okay so the the the name is little guy
little guy the tag line is the anti ai ai and so you you when you're using it it will
it's like you know the the the the system prompt or the base prompt or whatever
will have it recheck kind of everything it wants to suggest and it's mostly based on the suggestions
so if you ask where you can buy a certain thing mostly based or fully based
hopefully hopefully it's fully based um but it would try to find like small mom and pop brick
and mortar options instead of major chains and uh if if if you're doing research through it or
something it will try to detect if the text or the video or whatever resource that it's
reading from or showing to you or whatever is ai written oh it won't suggest it so it tries to
keep it focused on things that are real real but small and like our little guy yeah it focuses
on the little guy it tries to help the little guy i like that i like that yeah i think it's
actually kind of how much money there isn't it that's the problem probably nothing all the ideas
that like are are based and and cool are not that profitable it feels like yeah if someone
wants to steal that idea please go for it let me know that you did it yeah do it or don't we can
sell it on etsy yeah yeah but like it's it's something that i see people going towards is
like verified main made by people stuff right and i i think we're i have a theory that we're
gonna see a rise of like a very like non-social tier of almost content creators which is like
people really just sharing evidence that they actually made this thing right yeah like do you
get a video file along with your product that shows them making it yeah and you notice that that one
slight scratch on the corners and you can see the the yeah you can see the timestamp in the video
where that tiny accidental scratch happened and now it's on your product and you know
that it's not that having more or less fingers is a problem as long as it's not ai yeah exactly
just throwing that out there yeah um so like and so i think i have a theory that things are
gonna kind of maybe not that maybe not that exact form but i i think real actually i know this was
made by a person things are gonna start going up in value for people i do think so um and i i think
there's a space and that's why i'm happy that this is happening with etsy and i think there's a
space for uh little guy to be a thing if someone wants to make it if nobody makes it maybe i'll
do it someday but not right now i'll say that speaking of ai google ai search and other ai chat
bots appear to be causing a significant drop in traffic to news sites so our sources for this
are futurism and axios the wall street journal reports that the traffic being sent to publishers
is plummeting as users are shifting to not clicking on the sources that are cited by ai
search tools and chat bots this is so bad like uh search traffic to business insiders uh to business
insider has reportedly dropped 55 between april 2022 and april 2025 as a result business insider
has cut roughly 21 of its staff last month citing the need to endure extreme traffic drops outside
of our control google and other ai companies will likely continue to see legal challenges in regards
to scraping copyrighted materials uh the news media alliance ceo stated uh links were the last
redeeming quality of search that gave publishers traffic and revenue now google just take takes
content by force and uses it with no return the definition of theft yeah the doj remedies must
address this to prevent continued domination of the internet by one company or a handful of companies
i guess but that was a direct quote yeah um according to cloud flair ceo matthew prince
10 years ago google crawled two pages for every visitor it sent to a publisher six months ago
that ratio for google was six to one while open ai was 250 to one and anthropic was 6000 to one
now for google it is 18 to one for open ai it is 1500 to one and for anthropic it is 60 000 to one
cloud flare is working on a tool that will obstruct bots that ignore no crawl directives
um we are we have even i don't think we even bothered to implement no crawl directives because
we had absolutely no faith whatsoever that they uh would actually would actually do anything if
cloud flare could implement this though i guess we probably would hey but i mean realistically
they've stolen the vast majority of the data that they could want from us anyway for something like
the LTT forum that's probably the greatest example of a treasure trove of of data that you know we
have and now every ai company has because they would have just scraped it from our site so we've
had discussions about this turning on cloud flair's version because we have cloud flare on all our
sites um i don't remember if this is a known factor or if it's a theory i genuinely don't remember
but it was brought up that your ranking would be hurt by doing this oh by not allowing crawling
not allowing uh yeah this type of crawling uh because they could still like page rank you
and have you show up in results but now you're less valuable to google or whoever else so maybe
they just bury you yikes and then sure you didn't get crawled so people that have to go to your
website to get your information dude original content might just go elsewhere original content
is going to die this is why we need little guy this was a whole this is the whole reason i thought of
the solution like i just i can't i can't do right i don't know this is not even a little guy we need
even the the big guys to survive i mean say what you will about you know news media and people have
varying levels of trust in the varying news organizations
is there maybe still a consensus that there is a place in the world for professionally sourced
and curated news but do we just want do we just want everything in low resolution videos on twitter
if you look at if you look at how people use these types of tools
i think you're gonna see people like if you ask them if you did a survey we had a survey earlier
in this show where we didn't necessarily agree with the results of the survey if you did a
survey and you asked people do you think having like actual news agencies is like good and stuff
probably there's gonna be some people saying no but overall i think people are gonna be like oh
yeah we should probably have real news still um and then those same people that say that are gonna
go and use ai summaries and move on because it's easier and ultimately they don't care we see this
with vote with your wallet all the time like is is is micro transaction monetization in games
gone too far and is it like super definitely a bad thing oh 99 percent of people say yes
how many people engage with micro transactions in games enough way more than enough so it's
i don't know like jennison say 925 says real general journalism is a lost art it's now all
meant to drive clicks sad face but that's exactly what he just said yeah it's because people didn't
engage yeah with real journalism they just read the summary or they uh it's because of user behavior
everything is driven by user behavior and wallets like it's here's a oh man here's a really spicy hot take
uh oh i think a lot of nintendo games don't have tons of micro transactions right
i'd rather pay you bucks yeah that is a hot take uh david actually specifically said that in our
switch to review and a lot of the really negative comments on the video are about that yeah um
sure and it's it's one of those things where it was interesting as david and i were working
through that script one of the one of the challenges that we have now as an organization
whenever we talk about anything up the switch to yeah i didn't say that at all down why do you hate
hot dogs um yeah one of the one of the big challenges that we have is that as the perception
of me has changed over time uh it has become extremely difficult for me to make any kind
of statement around value of a product right um or affordability like i could look at something like
the switch to and be like hey these games are are going to be are the the unaffordability of
these games is could have an impact on the success of this console i could say something like that
and there would be a not insignificant number of people who would rightly make the observation that
no you can afford it the twenty dollar difference in the games means nothing to you you youtuber
it's coming to the earth right um and so one of the things that you know david and i talked through
so he wrote the script and then i in my role as editor not video editor but editor of the script
went through it and we kind of worked together on which paragraphs each of us would deliver because
we felt we both spent time with the console um and uh we both worked actually together quite a lot on
the um the the pre-release video that we did kind of summarizing all the rumors and stuff so david
and i've been kind of like team switched to for for the content that we've done around it and one
of the things that we talked about is like realistically it would cause less of a complete
storm if he was the one who delivered the paragraph with it was actually it was his take
interesting but deciding who would actually read it because we we worked together and like i'm all
about consensus building we're not always going to agree on everything and you might have noticed
that in scripts in the past where i would say yeah the writer of this script felt x i actually feel
y take that for what it is right just fine yeah um so in this case david and i actually agreed um
and it was very much what you were saying he was saying like look
in the age of microtransaction hell if what it takes for nintendo for it to be worth nintendo's
time to continue to create bespoke single player and couch couch co-op and competitive experiences
is another 20 bucks in their wallets then i'll pay it especially when it's for kids like i'm just
going to pay for fewer of them yeah and maybe i'm gonna doesn't mean i can afford it just because
i understand does not mean i can afford it these things can be different and um and it was and i
think that if he hadn't been the one to say it uh it probably would have faced even more backlash
over it sure it's just like i but that's a that's a hot take now like even just for the idea of not
having that in the game i'm willing to spend more money personally i hate even seeing it it
like actually bothers me like i'll play a single player game and go like oh i can buy more like
golden resources in this single player game by a microtransaction i am now almost certain
that my progression systems are going to be messed up so it's way harder to get those resources
because they want me to use the microtransaction system or at least the developers were not
necessarily given enough time to like balance the resource income because it's not where there's
a company when players could just buy extra ones um like that's immediately my takeaway it's it's
same with cheating right if cheating passes a certain threshold in a game now you're suspicious
about every single interaction you have where it's like no i don't want to sit here and be
suspicious about the game i just want to enjoy the game especially if you're like uh letting a
kid play this game normalizing the idea of microtransactions to a child sucks so i don't know
it is what it is
all right see people seem to have kind of chilled a little bit on this seems like it yeah my chat
was frozen for a bit uh do you want to talk about more ai ad horribleness yeah i i love the i love
our title uh and shad ification oh yeah ai ad products are here tiktok is rolling out a new ai
powered advertising or sorry rolling out new ai powered advertising features including the ability
to upload an image of a product or write a short text prompt and produce five second video clips
that can be used in an ad it's part of tiktok's existing symphony product which already lets
advertisers use ai enhance spokespeople avatars to help promote and sell products it's interesting
when a platform promotes the idea of replacing the creators on the platform uh amazon's improving
it's not the creators so much as the advertisers ai enhance spokespeople avatars
i can see what you mean so why pay a popular tiktoker but but these would be like random they
wouldn't actually be like recognizable as a tiktoker yeah but like i think to a certain degree
what you're paying for is to end up in people's feeds um no yeah i don't know it's a blurry line
amazon's improving their generative ai ad creation tool by allowing advertisers to create realistic
high motion shots of their products in use transform still images this should so not be okay
transform still images to movement with a single click and offer more creative options for brands
of all sizes uh the next one is not whatsapp too uh ads are finally starting to appear
in whatsapp as of monday uh the only big visible on the updates tab and the company says those who
use the app only to chat with friends and family won't what else you do i don't use what's that
that much uh won't see any change the whatsapp experience for now
he's so practiced at that reddit has a new tool for advertisers called conversion summary add-on
it lets brad's showcase positive brands only brad's only brad's it lets nailed it
it lets brands showcase positive you suppose or sentiment summaries below their ad creative
great oh great if your name's brad i guess um yeah so i hate all of it
yeah i the generative stuff for products is messed up because it's very often you get stuff wrong
what's up how's it going we can we can close
this is serious do you want to try to do the same nope it's fine okay you got to tell me this
though okay we've talked about this extensively on the show we can be uncomfortable about ai
we can even hate it yes we could think it sucks yes um okay we've also talked extensively on the
show about how at the end of the day cat's out of the bag horses bolted from the barn yeah pandora's
box is open should we do ai ads for a transfer industry driver no and i can explain why yeah and
i don't think it's just a need for me oh hold on i should hold on i should finish i should finish
okay the conversations that we've had in the past around now that it's now that it's out there
is it's basically it's out there now and we've talked about how you know if you want to succeed in
the workplace learning to use ai it's not even just a you got to keep up to speed in general you
you have to you have to keep up so then i guess what i'm asking is as a company should we do what
literally everyone else will be doing and use ai to pump out creative to market their products
or should we not i don't think so um and if you want to hand it over i can i can partially explain
why although i think this is going to be true in some form for practically everything with the
you're talking about the positives it won't open right now because the bits are all jammed i don't
don't worry about it right now don't don't shake it yeah sure you're talking about the positives
of like the i don't know what it's called but the particular plastic that you used uh that
now gene also uses and whatever else a lot of that's going to come down into the appearance
sure yeah if using an ai ad and i know there are ai ad generating services where you drop an image
of the thing that you're selling and it tries to use that image as much as possible
but it is going to manipulate that image absolutely if you actually want to sell
your product on the merits of your product you need to have actual shots of it now
if we wanted to have like the intro of the video the ai influence and it doesn't show off the product
but it you know classic ad thing where it shows off like oh this horrible scenario that would be
better if i actually had it and then it goes into actual real coverage of the actual real product
i think that's fine and i think we've already kind of done it is it or are we literally eating the
snake eating our own tail or not the snake but are we eating our own are we eating our own tail
because our job is to like i mean i feel like that's sort of ironic use um where's the line
i mean that's a good question i like that's that's why we're having this conversation because i mean
this is uh here this is from uh from from chat where am i finding yeah so hathos says the world
will be using ai for ads you have two options you can use ai today or you can start using ai in a
few years my main line is when it could mislead or improperly influence the consumer sure i mean
well okay that we obviously wouldn't want to do but companies are doing now it is already happening
because the ai interpretation of the product is not always perfect this is this really interesting
to see people's takes on this because a lot of people's concerns um i feel are not really not
really the questions i'm asking because there's no way that we would that we would not have a human
review something at some point to make sure that it is actually representative of the product right
like to your point um like uh like what did someone what did someone say but even then there's
very very small things that like one person reviewing a thing might not notice um we have
experience with this we have a review process for videos internally it can often go through
quite a few hands but there will be one really small thing that people don't notice and 99.9
percent of the audience doesn't notice either but well that little point one somebody will notice it
and then they'll mention it and then everybody sees it from like many pandas says ai hallucinates
it gets things wrong and that's totally true but in the case of like you know using it to generate
a bunch of different uh a bunch of different colors of backgrounds for like a product photo
or something like that it kind of doesn't matter it does what's wrong in the background
hold on hold on if you if you if the product photo is like was taken by an actual photographer
and is the real product and you're just like you know what is the more eye catching background
color whatever generating a layer yeah so it's not generating it an entirely new picture just
the layer um so but but but however however holy crap we're a media company literally we like you
know do graphic design and and and and photography and videography and and you know you talk about
like uh ai tiktok spokespeople and i'm kind of sitting here going wait wait wait wait hold on
a second if you want like a spokesperson for your tech thing or whatever i thought that i thought
that was like you know potentially my job right my line has always i don't know if i can say my line
has always been this because we've been talking about this for a long time but the line that i've
been on for a long time now is that you you don't use its output right but you can use it as a
research tool you can use it as a rubber ducky so there's the the whole rubber ducky concept
where you you talk about your issue out loud until like an object or something because it can
actually help you think through things um i use ai often these days but i never use its output i'll
ask it for feedback um like i think i think a lot of names of products might dodge international
issues if they asked like does this word mean anything in any other language
because you hear about products like that all the time um so you could use it for something
like that yeah someone says read but verify uh not even uh it's not even in verify i don't use
its output at all like i'll i'll get it to i'll input something to it and ask it for its thoughts
yeah i don't i don't use its output if it gives me some thoughts i might edit what i wrote but
i'm editing it myself i'm not going to ask it to edit something for me and then use its output
so i think you know someone trying to design an ad could use generative ai stuff to to think
effectively and then a brainstorm i would like our creation to be our own and the reason why i
say that is because you are effectively stamping this thing as it goes out the door uh with the
ibm quote right no computer should make a management decision because no computer can be held responsible
you're stamping saying that you can be held responsible that's the way i see it right so
that's your job as a human if i send you a message do you think it's from me or if it's from generative
ai and if it's from generative ai do i get an excuse no of course not exactly so if we're if
we're gonna put an image of one of our things up online we have to stamp saying that we are owning
the interesting issues with this image that's an interesting line um and and for me that just means
you know i'm just not going to use its output for someone else that might mean they're going to
go through with a fine tooth comb and make sure that they are genuinely fully okay with you and
for a lot of people they'll just take the slop and most people are going to do that and there's
already evidence of that and i just i have problems with that because again you look at the video
review process right we have a really in-depth video review process at this point that goes through
a lot of people's hands and it honestly takes a long time there's still a lot of stuff that
makes it through i did some video reviews today um i was like on my phone during a like a like a
graduating from there from one grade to the next grade stupid ceremony at the school yeah um and
i don't know between the two of them i think i probably had to make 20 to 30 corrections or
something like that yep and there's stuff and to be clear that's with a world class team
like actually though seriously like humans are human and there's stuff that'll get through
humans hallucinate too yours yeah fun fact take time uh we all are right now sort of
that's a whole other conversation um wait till after dark yeah yeah yeah but that it can it
can get through multiple stages of review process including yours including other people's i've done
it before um and then still have a minor error that goes out yeah um so like if that's true
i can't really accept but this is why i won't use honestly i i don't think i've thought this before
yeah but i'm gonna say it now our own review process is one of the reasons why i wouldn't
use a generative ai's output because i don't necessarily trust myself to spot every single
little tiny individual potential flaw that's fair because what we see often is that like i said
earlier 99.9 percent of people aren't going to see this one little issue but the 0.1 percent person
does and then they comment on it and then everyone sees it and then it's a problem okay so i'd rather
those be my problems so how's this for a potential like sort of policy vision right because i don't
i don't know if we have a clear internal policy on the use of ai we've obviously used it a handful
of times i've had discussions within my own teams but i don't think we do company-wide so how's how's
this for like a policy vision is like basically at the end of the day it boils down to accountability
yes we wouldn't dictate to you whether you can use a hammer or a motorized drill to do that work
but what we will dictate to you is what the expectations are for the quality of the output
and what your responsibility will be for said quality and for said delivery timeline so i think
that is generally fair however however you know would we ever it's not usually the individual's
reputation that is on the line unfortunately it's often yours well yeah because the the audience just
decides that every single thing that this over a hundred person company does is actually just you
so then there's like so maybe this line needs to be more aggressive than it seems on the surface
because in a way we're actually protecting like there's there's a lot of there's a lot
of output like that at the company right and it would reflect negatively on the company
if somebody did just publish ai slop and then do you really want managers to have to micromanage
the point where they're combing through every single thing that everyone does all the time
it gets to be kind of a lot and has the same flaws as other things so i do generally agree
with the line that you drew that i like that line well it was based on your line so but the way
that you said it okay i like it thanks i did good that was that's management yeah you know you take
the you take the employee suggestion and you reframe it a little bit you reframe it and yeah
and this is my idea leadership i think that's maybe a bad lesson that's what you learn in
management 101 and i don't know if anyone in management ever made it past first year so that's
all anyone knows but yeah i there is so i like the line if they did they'd probably be engineers
instead no offense no offense mba's are real degrees yeah i i i like the line but the the
unique circumstances that this company is in with certain things that we do yeah um makes it tough
yeah yeah well that's that's the thing right is there's there's there's gonna be in in the tech
savvy cohort that we cater to right there's going to be a lot of emotional elements to this as well
yeah like i saw people in Floatplane chat that are like the second i see an ai generated anything
in an ad for an LTT product i'm i'm canceling my subscription and it's like you know like fair
enough right like i already happened has it we have ai influence in our ads i guess it's not else
well has there ever been any for LTT products i don't think so because it's just been external
brands yeah i'm not sure um and so you know i so so i'm you know duly noted um
and i just i have a there's there's a conversation that happened in the lab
yeah we have people writing Labs articles right now or we have a writer selected but they haven't
started yet so we have non writers writing Labs articles um and honestly in my opinion i think
they've been doing a great job um there's some really cool Labs articles up but um the question
came up of like you know i'm not necessarily a writer can i use this to help me and we had a
discussion but it ultimately came down to like your name is on the document when when someone's on
the site and they're reading this thing it says written by you if and like not only that but again
there's the perception of like if we're writing a thing about something technical um and no this is
not okay i'll try to read into stuff too much this did not result in an employee action at all um
um the
if if something is wrong in there not only does it reflect negatively on the person whose name
is on the article which it will absolutely but it'll reflect negatively on the company it'll
end up reflecting negatively on you because of the conversation that we just had reasonably
all right sorry recently it's i don't like it i don't like using its output i don't want words
that were output by an ai to end up in text on the lab's website yeah because well it just shouldn't
be necessary
yeah and like i absolutely you can use its influence yeah i mean you i know that you've
done tone passes i do tone passes literally daily yeah always but it and it i'll even ask it like
i'm not asking for a fixed version just give me input and it'll be like if you want some help with
that here's a rewritten version i just don't use those yeah um but i absolutely use it for what
about an outline sure mm-hmm like there's there's absolute i use it for helping me with writing
stuff all the time but it's it's about owning the output um and the way that i do that to just
kind of shortcut the question of it is i just don't have it right for me some people might want
it to write for them but then you you still have to only output it's it's going to reflect on you
it will happen
i gotta say it's it's interesting you talk about it that way because um i've i've been trying to
figure out why i don't use it because i i think you know that i don't i still i i type it about
a hundred a hundred and ten hundred and twenty sometimes words per minute so like for me typing
is not a major um burden when it comes to conveying my thoughts um like i type like not quite at the
speed of thought but like kind of as fast as i i need to be able to um and i um oh shoot i was
going somewhere with that it doesn't matter the point the point is just that i've been trying
to figure out why why i don't use it and it's um i think what it is is that the burden of
checking someone else's work right right right that's where i was going with this um so so typing is
is not a hindrance to me for getting my thoughts down and so it is actually less work for me
to put my own thoughts onto a page than it is to have someone else in this case a an llm
you know um rearrange them or rewrite them or reword them in such a way that i will have to
go through it with a fine tooth comb to figure out if there's any i wouldn't trust a trust a
rearrange personally um and so and so i think you i think you nailed it i think the reason
that i don't use it then is because whether i made the decision consciously or or didn't
it is actually a greater mental burden for me to check someone else's work than it is to simply
output my own and therefore most people won't and they'll just publish the output which is why i ask
it things like what it thinks of the tone of something because it doesn't even give me output
well unless it just decides it's going to right but then i just ignore that part i i just want
its opinion on the thing and sometimes honestly i'll be like i'm looking for this tone uh does
it match that or i might not be looking for a specific tone i'm just interested in what it
thinks so like um can you do a uh man what is my line can you do uh i have a specific prompt
i don't remember what's on my head um sentiment can you do a sentiment analysis there we go
can you do a sentiment analysis on this and then it'll it'll let me know and sometimes
it'll be like oh i think it's too much this way or whatever but i read it's prompt and
then i read my thing again and it's like no like this is just how me and that person communicate
so i won't necessarily agree with it like i you shouldn't just take it uh as a for sure but
the kid across the street asks uh would humanize a i fix that truthfully i have no idea and i kind
of don't care um rest assured says it's much less work for me to read and understand than to
write i guess my issue with that though is that you still have to write yeah like that's the thing
you still have to write if you want to fix it um and in some ways it can be more complicated
and take this from someone whose literal job it has been for over a decade now
whose job it has been to take other people's output and then revoice it into something that
is appealing to the LTT audience it is extremely mentally taxing to and and you've done script
reviews with people yeah i've done a bunch i still do them actually it is extremely mentally taxing
and in many cases until you've invested tens even let's say let's say tens of hours at least tens of
hours into training um there's absolutely no hope whatsoever that it will not be very burdensome to
do it um and if there's something that you know you feel is very important to include the odds
that it will flow well from what they've given you to you being able to just kind of insert it and
make minor changes is pretty pretty low um and here's another sidebar thing yeah i think it's
terrible at writing it depends what you're after like we have a we have a video coming up on that
those uh those wacko 48 gig um 40 90s that you can get on like ebay and stuff so the they're like
modified with double the memory yeah and like if you get it to just like write a goofy um
you know i can appreciate it for what it is i asked it to write a short story about
nicholas ploof the man who owned a display and his love of displays or something like that and
for what it was it it's quirky and funny and like i i i kind of enjoyed parts of reading it but
you know it's not artful it doesn't have a soul and so i agree with you there but i i don't know
that it's bad it's just not good i there was a test thing you and i did a while ago on on could we
detect which parts of something were a i written
um and i i nailed it if you remember that and for me a lot of it is
it doesn't feel human yeah and i don't know how and there's certain vibe checks like there's the
there's the big dash i think it's called n-dash um that like almost no one ever types and ai's
just like obsessed without putting it all the time um there's like little things like that where
it's like a pretty surefire way to be like okay yeah um i have literally never once seen you
in the years that we've been working together use this one symbol and you just use it throughout
this entire document and then there's a document that you made after that that doesn't use it ever
and i just don't believe it like there's little things like that that can tip you off
but there's also just like a certain clunkiness that most humans kind of communicate with
yeah um netx says ai writes in spock mode yeah too perfect it really it really does um so that's
usually what tips me off and and one of the like we've been talking when checking out these these
Labs articles which again i think they've done a i'm i'm like surprised at how little input i've
had to have because they're actually just pretty good um of like i've said quite a few times like
this is great it's very human and it sometimes it's like because you're you're bringing more of
yourself to the article phallaneth says m dashes are apparently used by professional writers a lot
you know the people that you would want to steal your training data from that makes sense that makes
a ton of sense actually yeah um i use dashes when i write a lot too Dan uh but i use the small ones
i definitely have idiosyncrasies in my writing you'll see me use two periods a lot
yeah i've i kicked that but it took me years so i uh it's because our old prompter software
could not detect special characters properly and the version of microsoft word that we used
the default setting back then when we wrote scripts in microsoft word we use google docs now
actually um but it would automatically turn three periods into a single special character ellipses
and so if i put three periods after something then it would turn into a special character
that i would then have to manually go fix unless i remembered to change the settings on microsoft
word for every computer that i ever sat down at to write something or do a script review and i was
changing computers like constant always um or i could just type two periods which would tell me
that it was more than a period it was like a longer pause um but it wouldn't change to a special
character yeah yeah and i use dashes for the same reason i've never kicked the dashes habit because
they're like uh a break or a breath for me but in a different way than a period and also in a
different way than two or three periods like and i can't kick that one i just i will always do it
jamesh says uh full clean chat i overuse ellipses
like way overuse them nice uh okay i think that's probably enough talking about everything being
terrible i don't even remember the core topic oh yeah xbox and AMD join forces i don't think i care
um something something actually let's push this to next week because i think i do still care
but i think that it's time to move to after dark all right
actually if you can find a merge message for luke real quick i may need to wash him
all right there we go
let's see what i've got it sounds like you're sitting down i was laying back
oh actually okay i got you
ow uh okay yeah ARM um sorry if i'm waving it all over the place no you're good
look away look away you're good man um i mean just keeping on the same topic maybe
is a bad idea Linus and luke how do you see the future of gaming in this ai crazy world are we
just going to end up with games auto-generated for each gamer to fit them perfectly uh that's
interesting i kind of hope not to be honest because to me that ruins the ability to like kind of
suggest games to other people uh because if you had a particular experience but it's tailored to you
that other person might not have that type of particular experience i'm also honestly
hoping we stay away from live auto-generated ai stuff there's been a couple games where i've
like been interested in that because you can often mod it in like i'm pretty sure there's a
skyrim mod that i played with a while ago oh there were some interesting tech demos i think that was
back when the latency was super huge so you'd be like hey how's it going pause but even are you
doing the pause are you gonna talk i was going to okay but it's fine okay you get the point yeah um so
there there was like it's good how about you um yeah the the pause thing would effectively be solved
but it still doesn't like it still felt so unnatural and i think it felt unnatural because
of in some cases how natural it felt if that makes sense like i kind of want the game to feel
like a game it's also hard to tune them perfectly yeah like uh sometimes i'll just be like yelling
because it doesn't know who did the uh who did the emperor in oblivion oh i think it was Picard
yeah i never remember his name and it's embarrassing didn't they give him like a 400 page backstory book
yeah i don't know if that's true or not i i i believe it from the patrick stewart thank you
from the team at that time i i i believe it personally um but yeah it's i'm not feeling good
about that i'm feeling pretty okay about ai being involved in the coding and to be fair ai has been
involved in coding for quite a while now um and it actually doesn't really feel like it's a huge
problem it's one of the spaces where like i think the developers are pretty on board
but being what that's a red hot take for me to come back i don't think it is genuinely okay i
actually know very few developers that are like completely against it there's there's also band
stack overflow too yeah part of the problem is the range like i i know there's developers that
are against like vibe coding where you're just asking it for outputs what i'm talking about is
ai assistance like in your development environment that's been a thing for a long time and i don't
know them any people that are against it um i'm sure there are some i'm a hundred percent sure
there's some um but there's a huge difference between like assistance in your development
environment and vibe coding where it's just filling stuff out for you and then having the ai write the
actual game the player yeah these are different things yeah there's there's people in chat saying
like yeah autocomplete is super helpful that's what i'm talking about like smart okay i clearly
walked in at the wrong moment there sure yeah um but so like that i think is okay um i think we're
seeing some issues with uh ai art in games where characters are inconsistent i've seen some of that
i think there's also some issues with in my opinion any any dialogue has been bad
and i think we'll continue to be bad personally yeah right what else i've got in here hey
wan.dll what are the things that you regret doing or not doing the most throughout LMG history
although uh this one has two questions in it normally we do one so you can pick between the two
is antoine's car the most expensive thing that you've had to compensate for your staff
and what would be something that was really expensive that we had to comp andy's bed
whose car uh the antoine's car hit by a wrench yeah how did that happen Linus
well nick threw it because i told him to you're trying to get it on the roof
oh look if he'd thrown better than it wouldn't have landed on the car um oh my goodness um wow
oh yeah uh my floor when it was damaged by denis but i never actually replaced it it just
still has those deep scratches in it um that's not a comp and that's mine so yeah yeah yeah i mean
technically Linus media group incorporated would have comped it's not it's not my fault that happened
dude the fact that i took company owes you money you gotta sue yourself dude the fact that i took
flak over that was so crazy that's because you're like me i was yeah but no no that's not what i
took flak over oh people were giving me a hard time because it was like i was criticizing denis
for moving my furniture when i was the one who instructed him to do it but i didn't he was
hiding in my house like that that's that's the most watched LMG clip and the number of people
commenting on that video angry at me because if i wanted it moved properly i should have hired
professional movers like insane is actually completely unhinged this is why the ai summaries
are gonna work because that's a i think it's not even that long of a clip and people didn't watch it
yeah um oh no denis in the attic i went and put it through my attic no no no comping something
has to be when like the company screwed up someone else's stuff and we had to replace it for them
i don't think that's ever happened with me
i don't think this happens often yeah i'm trying to think like in the earlier days this is one of
the earlier days we just wouldn't it this is well no this is one of the reasons that i was always
pushing like the the our earlier camera guys to not bring their own equipment to work i remember
this because i didn't want their stuff to get busted or damaged or whatever at work right um
let's get luke a new car paid for by LTT i don't even really want a new car and also
uh LTT has never done anything bad to my car i can't think of i can't think of anything
off the top of my head i can't really think of much i don't think it's happened much no as for
things that i regret not doing i i regret i regret not water cooling more editing workstations
we should have done a whole room water cooling here we still can still can all right
hi wanda dll i work for i work in safety as you grew as a company and added cr how easy or
difficult did you find implementing formal safety processes or was it something you're
aware of from the start oh yeah we were super aware of it from the start lots of formal safety
processes back in the day man if we were cutting something total safety yep if we were if we were
up on the roof of a of a building speaking of whole room water cooling installing a radiator
i'm sure that we were wearing the finest of safety harnesses 100 percent
yeah it's been i don't know it's been kind of a mishmash i feel like the pendulum is kind of
swung both ways we were very loosey-goosey in the early days and we shouldn't have we should
have done way better we're kind of lucky that we like have all of our fingers and functioning eyes
remember that with the tape safety squints or a company issue yeah i know he's talking about
using clear tape as eye protection no yeah i know that was him there's no way i would come up with
yeah that tracks it was i didn't actually think it was gonna actually protect maybe for dust yeah
obviously um chemical burns and you who then i think without before we had like kind of learned
like guidelines properly we just kind of it was like vibe safety and i think we kind of over did
it a little bit like we um like we we had an employee at one point they've been gone a long
time so you won't be able to guess who they were but we had an employee who would throw like
a conniption like a complete fit anytime there was an open flame near anything to do with anything
and um you know i'm like i'm talking having a candle on set you know with a person standing
there with a fire extinguisher was like not enough for this person and it's just like
dude i don't know calm the f*** down pretty much it's going to be okay i that's not what i said
i implemented a like no fire policy um because i just like didn't really know how to deal with that
yeah that's a pretty i mean we don't really do that much with fire no samsung phones got him
that's wow dated burn um it's good though very dated yeah but a burn for sure um
he deserves it he you can he's just relaxed he's vibing out i don't ding myself that's not fair
it was his i said it was a burn sorry i'm out of it now nice there you go um
anyway i think since then we've kind of like swung back the other way a little bit and i think
things are pretty reasonable these days um i can't promise that i'll always like you know go get a
proper ladder to climb a warehouse rack or whatever but like yeah or install a projector
okay well it shouldn't be other people uh so my line has always been i can basically do whatever
i want because what am i going to do sue the company it's my own liability um but i can't
have people under my charge um getting injured so i will i will i will give people a pretty hard
time if i see them like someone was going to ride that stupid go kart from the um wasting
money on tech ads video without a helmet and i was like yo no and they were like well you did it and
i'm like doesn't matter i'm putting you are how do i see this i'm talking as Linus right now i'm
putting me at risk you are putting me at risk but also lead by example i know i know i should
i should do better no he's not wrong no he's not wrong no but also both of them yes yeah no
i don't have a narcissist button for you luke yeah get right yet hello from texas
in your recent overclocking videos said Intel benchmarks higher than AMD is there any value
left in synthetic benchmarks if they can't even show accurate relative performance no
i mean for years we didn't include 3d mark or any other synthetic benchmarks in our GPU reviews
my mouth is too dry to swallow these are horrible um why do you keep getting them you get them
every time you get the same thing every time yeah they're just we have a variety of snacks
there's something to settle my stomach and they're not a lot of calories is there nothing else like
that not really oh that i saw got it um this candy the figs yeah they're those fig bars those are
a decent of calories aren't they yeah and yes that i think we're out um yeah no they're they're
basically they haven't been relevant for pretty much ever um i don't really know what to tell you
like they they can be a somewhat of an indicator they're a data point
they're also sometimes people specifically want to like compete on that yeah thing which is fine
that's totally fine yeah um and i guess there's value in that but it's not technically representative
anything other than its own uh so competing against itself yeah all right
okay
i love sorry i love the opening of this sorry before it other than conduit
i wonder if this is the same guy i've ever applied to saying conduit i'm sorry if that was me
helmark says um probably was danis left a week earlier than alex and andy not sure why he left
it seems like it was on good terms it seems to me it was on good terms too i'm actually
i'm not it's his news to break but i'm very excited for him i don't think yeah i think he's
i think he's still uh stealth mode uh they're then conduit sorry guy uh do you guys have any
home remodel tips tech or not tech my entire home is exposed right now possibilities are endless
conduit the dude conduit i mean i don't know what to tell you the just the draw to just say
conduit is so strong run the power now if you if you think about it for longer than i'm going to
say five seconds if you look at a spot and you think about it for longer than five seconds
would it be good to have a power outlet there put one there it's like so useful or or hear me out
put conduit there then you could put anything there actually i don't think you can run high
voltage ac through conduit seems like a good idea um paint goes a long way even though i've
never done it i'm still gonna say that think about your heating and cooling yeah if you want to do
like surround you know surround speaker setup or something somewhere now is the time to run all
the cables even if you like can't afford the receiver you know the like six thousand dollar
atmos receiver or whatever yet that that'll be six hundred bucks someday so put the wires in
i like that which you could do with conduit see my response was reasonable i think it'd be
cheaper to run the wires now than to run conduit everywhere you'd put a speaker though
wires cheap conduit is actually pretty costly to run anyway okay i just like conduit
have you guys seen lossless scaling on steam you can use a second GPU for frame gen while your
first one does native work would love to see results with a 5090 we have seen it we've been
wanting to make a video about it for a while we have not gotten to it yet i'm so sorry i'm so sorry
your tech tips are late we will do it hi gang looking at getting my first house question for
you guys would you get a retro house and modernize it or buy something with all the new tech already
installed tough question why are you both doing this because i'm looking around um
i don't know i think in our area it doesn't help that
like a lot of stuff you look at like idealized pictures of like cool places online
a lot of that type of architecture doesn't really exist in bc like at all when i first
started with my realtor he was like do you have any ideas what you're looking for and i was like
well i can send you like a bunch of pictures of things that i found online that i like and i
sent it to him and he legitimately broke down like here are the reasons and the history behind
why none of this exists here cool oh nice okay bc's like kind of young um yep and full of
wooden structures a lot of which the really old ones are like not in a great state yep
because they're made out of wood yeah the bc box um stuff like that so i don't know for us
yeah it kind of depends um i would also look into the i like the idea of retro house and
modernize it personally but there's a lot of problems with that and you have to look into
what are the particular difficulties with this house and then one of the problems with that
is that the market often moves really fast so by the time you can like come up with an idea
or a plan it's gone um so it's it's tough i like that option more on the surface
but it it doesn't always feel like the most realistic andrew 21 19 has the solution though
minus town that that is the solution realistically to all things
it's a good idea it's a good idea hello dll i'm a doctor and many of the hospitals i work in
are now using ai to record patient encounters and help doctors write notes i was wondering how
non-med people felt about this the answer Linus it's a huge problem i i mean okay actually you
know what it's not like the stakes are very high sorry i tried to keep a straight piece
wow sorry did i spit on you no i i think it all got caught by your filter so let's try to see if
i could see it because it was such a high volume i think there's food bits it was so much material
i'll put it while i don't change luke's filter very often no dictation is not fine do the number of
times that dictation does not work and obscures the meaning of what i'm saying is wild like
literally if dictation worked then texting and driving should be a thing because it should be
able to just dictate to me whatever someone said and i should be able to dictate back to it and i
should be able to carry on essentially a phone conversation with text except literally nobody
has launched that because literally everybody knows that that is not ready no it's not good enough
i'm sorry i can't even okay carry on hey dupe Dan and dinos love the content me and the so
just finished playing split fiction wondered if any of you have tried it i tried it very briefly
in the video with my son where he chooses a console which is not out yet but that was it i
literally played it for like three minutes um so not yet it looks pretty cool though i have it i
wanted to play with emma just haven't really found the time yet but we still intend to it's not going
anywhere so that that like classic classic steen library building mentality oh yeah i'm fair enough
but that that studio i think it is that has made what it takes to split fiction and
something else i don't remember there all these like co-op only games that i mean honestly there
a way out there we go um really cool a way out was very fun that was their first one
Yvonne and i finished on rival two recently it was fine sweet it's good just something to do something to do
yeah oh i threw one out i'll find it in a sec when dot d l l i remember when you used to give
actual tech tips like registry and os tweaks to make the user experience better do you
do you miss those kinds of vids and why don't you do them anymore when the heck did that and
when did i ever give a registry tweak what
is that a thing is that an ai written merge message uh can you not attack our
yeah i felt bad after i said it jeez i'm sorry okay so this is always this is always i mean it's
happened but it was usually so do i miss giving tech tips okay we've got a silly project that
actually includes many useful tips for sound deadening um we've got a very useful tech tip
for building a uh a really great performance inexpensive pc here's a fun project where we
talk about you know basically just overclocking um here's a review of a game console i'd say that
qualifies as a tech tip uh switching to mac for a month i'd say there's a lot of tech tips in there
things that are good bad about the mac ecosystem uh summary of apples w w d c 2025 here's some news
about the new xbox console okay this is probably more entertainment we do lots of tech tips uh oh
we got we poked around in the registry in this one actually showing how Windows recall worked
when they first launched it how it works now here's a GPU review i don't know it's a really
interesting narrative that LTT is just entertainment just because something is entertaining doesn't
mean that it is just entertainment what no i do not miss the days of us giving tech tips
because they didn't go anywhere here let's continue here's um uh like uh like an AMD
ultimate tech upgrade i'd say that's more entertainment didn't didn't you do registry
i'm assuming i didn't watch it i'm assuming you did registry tweaks in the how to set up Windows
properly video uh actually no there's more to it than that we did get into some some more advanced
stuff oh wait i think we did end up in the registry at one point yeah you're right all right so we
had to go back only three weeks to find two videos where we end up in the registry um evaluating
best system integrator reviewing a vr headset um looking at a an evaporative style cooler with no
pump um i don't know it's it's it's really weird the way that and i think i think i contributed to it
i think it's just people i think i contributed to it in a big way i think i talked about how
we want to make tech entertaining i didn't say it's my fault entirely line it's only not only
is it entirely it is only Linus's fault there's no one else's fault you're right you're right if
anything happens it's because it was about me or something press the button oh right just press the
right
no i think you know i don't know hit me Dan question for Linus for semi serious gamers who
don't really do social games what do you recommend steam deck ally or switch to you don't do social
games you're semi serious are you really considering a switch to yeah that's you want to spend that
kind of money yeah that's odd um semi serious i mean i don't know get a steam deck steam decks
it's such bang for the buck price is amazing yeah like the ally is great it's a more powerful
piece of hardware um and you know especially don't discount the x ally xbox x xbox ally x whatever
one that's coming is called um you know that that's coming too but they're not price comparable
right like if you just want to play a lot of games then steam deck is such a such a great
package wave one og backpack owner back for round two heck yeah has there ever been a service you've
been banned from and if so why comp to you i guess club penguin um yeah i i um my a plus
certification was um rescinded when i uh talked about the experience of obtaining it um in a
video i don't know is that a service that's that's the last thing i can think of that i've been banned
from i'm trying to think i know i've been banned from things i just don't remember i think i've
been a public figure for so long that it's sort of inherently it's better to just not engage with me
if you're if you don't like me rather than like ban me so probably there have been some some risk
calculations um i'm just assuming that i don't remember my commuter backpack fell off my low
coffee table and my laptop screen absolutely shattered are there any suggestions for better
protecting the corners of a laptop when in the commuter bag i mean man we like we do have the
buffer zone in the bottom because we anticipate that people are going to you know kind of drop
their bags down a little bit right but um like i don't know what i don't know what to tell you
it's not a pelican case right so like electronics is heavy high high weight density mass density
high density that's the word i'm looking for their high density their fragile um i think i think be
more careful with your stuff might probably be in order um i had a packing sleeve for mine
in a backpack yeah that's true you can get laptop sleeves and then you can slip the whole sleeve
with the laptop in it into the into the thing but um taren van hemerd um used to used to always talk
about uh reducing potential energy whenever whenever he would take uh he would like whenever
he was going to walk away from a camera that was on a tripod he would he would take it off and he
would put it on the floor and i'd be like you're coming right back and he'd be like but it has
lower potential energy there um and so i think reducing the potential energy of the things that
you value in your life is probably the best advice that i can give here that or that that backpack
probably shouldn't have been on the coffee table i'm surprised that it was damaged from that low
even if it wasn't in a backpack but freak accidents happen or if you want to have fun increase
potential energy yeah drop it from a roof next time yeah that'd be fun it'd be more entertaining
onto an employee's car hello there what is stopping NVIDIA from always displaying the
default amount of rops instead of the really available number in tools like GPU z also discount
free yearly float oh gee payment please yearly is it yeah we'll do it sometime maybe or not sorry
i am not aware of there being a discrepancy between the number of um
what there's a discrepancy sorry there's two different numbers for like the like the operations
pipelines am i missing something here
sorry i have absolutely no context for this i laser on the Floatplane side of it
displaying the default amount of rops instead of the really available number in tools like
GPU z liven says he's talking about when the GPU's were missing rops so those 50 90s okay
why couldn't they just fake the output in GPU z uh i truthfully am not the developer of GPU z and
i don't know exactly how they measure it's like magic all of this metadata off the card um that's
that's a wonderful question for the developer super cool very interesting
any updates on the zuck shirt no hey luke luke and Dan thoughts on sam altman's take that
ai outputs should be private similar to doctor patient confidentiality or attorney client privilege
sure feels like uh feels like our can of worms with a lot of potential for unintended consequences
i mean generally speaking sure yeah pro privacy yeah we okay but also like
is he just trying to shield his own company from liability for something that his ai said
to somebody potentially most likely like why am i protecting open ai's privacy i was trying to
figure out what this statement really means because you can just run uh an ai locally and
then because notice he's not advocating for the user input to be private so why do i care no
why do i care no actually i am reversing course on this one i don't care about sam altman's privacy
and i i want i want ai companies to be held accountable for potentially negative consequences
in cases of say for example encouraging self harm you could derive you could derive
you could often derive what the input was from the output
sure
can of worms i i don't think this one is going to solve ai policy yeah
right now on the wancho 17 to be honest great question
hey dlo is the og backpack updated with the two bottom layer or is it the singular going on
20 days waiting on it in the us i believe all the ones shipping today should be dual layer
um but i'd like to remind everybody that all of the ones that did ship with a single layer
carry the trust me bro virtual dual layer guarantee so if for whatever reason your
single layer um rips through or wears through is really what we'd be talking about if you like
put a knife through it like i did um no amount of two layers would prevent that but if it wears
through we got your back adam says all dual layers since mid 2024 there you go and remember
the the trust me bro it is specifically Linus um there's no one else here that that um
oversees anything uh that could potentially have anything to do with the products i mean when it
comes to major expenditures like changing warranty policy or whatever else i i generally do get
consulted on it that's actually fair i guess g'day humanoids specifically luke oh what up
any chance of opening up some small projects on github for Floatplane so the community
members can help with debugging and improving Floatplane much adhd love
every time i talk about this stuff these people get really angry just say it's complicated next
question it's complicated uh before i go next question on it um managing those things is overhead
that might be honestly enough to explain it um i understand that people would want us to do it we
have some stuff that is open a lot of the lab's work is open you can go check it out um
we also contribute to open source projects ourselves um but just making our stuff public and
then needing to look over other people's contributions this is actually very recently i mean
we've been talking about ai surprising amount on the show today this is very recently become
a big problem because people have been contributing to open source with ai slop um and it's taking
senior developer time to sort through or maintainer time i should really say it should
take it takes maintainer time sometimes very senior maintainer time to sort through all of this
ai slop contributed garbage and um basically he's telling you guys you're not skilled enough
to contribute to Floatplane we're a private company and as much as there's more features
that i know people want and there's problems here there and stuff like that um we'll try to
figure it out the team is really small yeah um and we are aiming to hopefully try to expand a
little bit soon here and the mental burden of checking someone else's work compared to doing
your own um i'm not about to ask my people to do that when they already have so much work
yeah Linus you sent me a dm i did you want to show that off before or after the last let's do
our last much message it's first message message that's right i'm not like me now hello linnie
lukey Dan at least it's not uh dinny lu dinny dukey lan kid it doesn't matter
yeah get better anyone dukey get better on the insults am i blind or a rack studs gone from
LTT Store they're gone they decluttered the store um they moved really well when we first launched
them and then they like stopped moving so we were like uh okay now what and then we discontinued them
and then i have a picture would you like me to show the picture yes
looking good looking good so the i bought the decals um okay i was gonna say how do you get the
lettering back on but i guess you just okay how did you get all that orange peel that's gotta take
real skill okay he's gonna come over and kill me no i i know it looks beautiful no no that was a
joke oh there's a ton of orange okay no i was just i was just being mean and honestly this
is one of the better looking pieces it's paint dummies can you explain what orange peel is
orange peel is a non smooth texture in the surface of the paint that looks kind of like the texture
of an orange peel so instead of being a little like mirror like in its smoothness it has little
ripples in it um and it is the mark of an inexperienced um paint sprayer operator and or
suboptimal conditions which is why i said that to be only mean oh yes oh yes not knowing that
there was orange peel i'm sorry no dude it's a it's a it's a 10 foot job it's a 10 foot job
i'm resigned to that anyway i found this really cool company in the uk i think that specializes in
basically just like having a having vinyl paper and um just like printing stickers
i paid like 80 or 90 dollars for these stickers and then a handful of others that go on the bike
but their whole shtick is that they have the graphics for like basically every vehicle
so if you want to redo um a bike like this um those vinyl stickers are actually under the clear
coat um out of the factory so there is no way to like remove them and and salvage them or something
so you just you like sandblast them off and if you want it to look factory except a different color
then you have to you know go you have to produce them yourself or you have to like go find it and
most of the graphics i shouldn't say most but some of the graphics are more complicated than just the
letters suz uk i um so yeah so i ordered custom decals from them and i actually think it's i think
it's going to end up looking pretty pretty factory i'm very excited so that's with my one clear coat
on it and then i've already done two shots of clear coat on all the black which means that the very
last thing left i actually would have shot two coats on this but the reason i couldn't was because
a couple little fluff scot on it and it was still tacky so i couldn't remove them without damaging
what i had put on it already so i need to wait for it to cure then i can like get those fluffs out
i'll hit it again with clear coat and then i am done the shop says i will ride in july nice
which is pretty exciting so it's just a API front for now but no key made a version of the little
guy up wow that was quick this vibe code he used comic sans which makes me deeply deeply happy
yeah and yeah i want to try that soup okay yeah do we we don't really like have like someone whose
job is to like do wancho things at this point do we um i think it'd be pretty cool if we ate that
no not you have you have other jobs i mean we kind of used to have someone whose job was to kind of
prep things for wancho we don't really know ask fans to do it yeah we could okay we should eat soup
from there we should see how well did how well the little guy pre pre pre pre alpha do yeah
i want to eat that soup next wancho sweet okay then do you mind arranging that with vance maybe
see there you go now you get it den can you delegate please there you go there we go that's
now you're learning about management i came up with this idea somebody else do it
send someone else do the outro we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad
channel i'm just i'm just outsourcing my uh my subcontracting yeah yeah
so one of the wancho just build a little guy i don't know what's going on bye
it's a overlay of the whole whole stream
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