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what's up floaters wow rude how dare you call them that my right is muted so

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they didn't hear me well well you're right they're they're pilots

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what percentage of users on the site probably don't even realize that the

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default avatar is a pilot

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I suspect a very high one I don't know exactly but a very very high amount

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at least one person I said I have no idea holy sh it poopoo yeah it is I don't

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have a doesn't ever look out to be honest

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okay so a ton of people were like whoa what and then the kid across the seat is

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like I mean it's obvious so this is why things in life are hard

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do the stream start with Luke just saying violence it sounds possible

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it's a full plane app having issues I don't think so are you the person who

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tweeted me one person tweeted me and there's like other people responding to

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them being like I'm not having issues and there's nobody in our support inbox

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informing us of this refreshments good I don't know just if you're having problems

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it is I'm not trying to like avoid work if you're having problems it is genuinely

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more efficient for you and you will get an answer sooner if you reach out to

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support

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40p I don't think it's 40p

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you aren't support no that's Joe the problem is like we might need logs or we

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might need whatever else it just it needs to go through email

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yeah

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yeah you should finish the snacks I didn't busy day

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some cardboard with bits of nut and fruit embedded in it actually don't mind

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those but no I'm good

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and you complain about them but you get them like every time oh I was

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accidentally muted when I was talking and unmuted when I'm eating you're doing

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great

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and I like don't want to talk about this on the main show but we have a serious

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problem in our lives right now

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a very serious problem it's hurting me I think it's causing me physical pain

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your beard it's causing me physical pain

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looks like an unshaped butt crack

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it's like all whispering down in the middle it's a little rough right now I

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will admit it's a little rough the worst part is I can get away with growing it

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out a little bit but if I skimp on shaving this part it looks really bad

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and I have skimmed on shaving that part so it looks really bad it all needs to

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be drawn back everything needs to be trimmed back I mean realistically it's

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not as bad as me not having one at all so there's that that's we got to talk

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about that on the main show oh yeah we'll save that for the main show we

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but the thing that's causing me pain right now is that our little custom

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ultra super bleeding edge beta branch of our favorite little game is causing me

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paint I have a call scheduled with the home let me check what his title is

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would you plan on getting graze I've got graze man can you guys not see it oh yeah

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you got graze you can see right there I've got more than that but they're

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they're most concentrated in that area I've had graze for a long time I got

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graze in my my hair hair too they're just they're a lot harder to see there

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because I've got a bit of a blend of colors going on okay I have a call with

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the lead designer Vance is arranging it it is that important I'm happy that

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Vance is on coordinating this it is this is dire this is important for morale

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yes yeah tape to tape is is a treasure and it must be protected yeah I

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completely agree it's under attack right now sorry there was another email that I

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wanted to have queued up so I'd have it ready for the show no Elijah we can't

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we can't just tell the devs fix it we have to we have to be constructive give

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them idea this is not it's not good we have to tell them what is yeah and how

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to fix it or at least give them some potential ideas start them off down a

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good path you know at least your graze aren't as obvious as mine I don't know

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man I don't get worked up or stuff like that I could be full silver and I

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wouldn't have a problem with it at all I thought I was 100% certain when I was

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growing up I was gonna be bald my whole life I thought I was gonna be bald when

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I was in my 20s because my dad was bald and I didn't realize until way way way

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way later on like late 20s I think that you get it from your mom's side so I

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did know that which is why I thought that I was gonna be bald oh from like

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high school because my dad on my mom's are my dad my grandpa and my mom's

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side went bald in high school wow and you didn't at all interesting I mean I

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mean well you know obviously it's all it's your lines receding anything in

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biology is like a but still I'm you know I'm 38 you know I think I'm doing

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pretty okay totally fine I just but the thing that I'm not into and like if you

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do this sorry whatever it is what it is you do you but the thing that I'm not

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super into is like we saw on like when people go to great lengths to take like

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I have some hair here and I'm gonna make it like this long so you're not into the

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comb I'm gonna put it all the way over there no comb and then arch it forward

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and it's like man just like just own it I don't think anyone really cares if you

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just own it it's fine I don't know maybe that's cuz I grew up and I you know my

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dad's cool and he had he was bald the whole time but it's just like whatever I

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care about it I care about it now no I'm sorry I let down hold on I let down

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a maria in chat what real narcissists care a lot about it and get in the game

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man sorry yeah you guys step I'm gonna get it hold on let me fix it then I'm

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for a flight to turkey

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that just like looks worse oh boy

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this is where my hairline is my hairline is Lloyd Christmas that's gonna be

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hard to explain when we go live they want me to keep the cow look here I'll

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try make a new one

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I was so much water I can't get the cow like to come back up it's too heavy look

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how devious I am they'll never suspect a thing I'll never know yeah they can't

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see the like trench line going back how's my I've probably got some things

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going on a little bit yeah a little bit for sure right there right I mean yeah

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it's gonna thin a bit yeah who cares me I'm a real narcissist now mom nope yeah

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I'll never live up to the standard she said don't address it who cares oh I

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think I think I think you're saying the same thing I am okay I got you I got

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okay should we go live man I think you gotta go try going from if someone

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clicks on the thumbnail and then the first frame you see is your face literally dripping can we do the thumbnail faces now I don't want that

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I don't want that immortalized we've been doing them the whole time ha ha got

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him Luke needs pour water in his head and sling it back as much as you can I'm

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not I'm okay with this if that's what we I don't understand the I might have

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hair gel always game you gotta understand that I'm not gelling it like this

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Dan it'll dry it'll dry and like the first 15 minutes of the show and then

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it'll just go back to normal I do that's a lot of water you sure yeah yeah yeah I

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generate a lot of heat I dry pretty fast that's fair a lot of the time I don't

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even if I'm just like ah there's a lot of laundry already this week I like not

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use a towel when I get out of the bath or showers so they're like love less

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laundry to do it also I'll just dry off it doesn't matter I am not gelling it you

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guys okay let's get this show started okay oh wait I'm supposed to do it

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ah right I have to sign into the thing so that I can resume oh wow that did not

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ask for a free sign-in that's crazy okay cool you've probably told me that

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before yes yeah at least you're concerned about it every week it makes me happy

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I'll take it as technically members of the infrastructure team we appreciate you

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all right this time hmm okay resume the selected resume it out

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what's up everybody and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined up

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for you guys this week my highlight topic of course is that the team viewer

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license which I have spoken about at length on this show the perpetual license

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that I purchased for team viewer 12 apparently I don't know those thousands

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of dollars you spent on it guess what you don't have any license for it any

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more to which my response would be one of these buddy boy what else we got going

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on this week we have oh I do too usually you know what we're gonna mix it up we're

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gonna mix it up are we doing one one one one one one one one one yeah that was

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right nice we're doing that nice all right steam wants you to know about the

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fake frames being generated on your computer Trump phone I love the idea of

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only saying that what exactly who knows just Trump phone and Nexus mods sold and

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as a person who has kept a perpetual subscription just to support something

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that I enjoy a lot I have questions the show is brought to you by Vessie Corsair

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and the Squarespace and of course in partnership with our rap partner D brand

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our laptop partner Dell and our chair partner secret lab not to mention our

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hair or hair gel partner Dippity-Doo that is actually the brand I used to use

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when I do has their branding that me too has their branding change at all I doubt

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it I mean I never looked too closely at their branding I just looked at that it

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was cheap yo it still looks like the same nice awesome nice and it's still

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cheap $4.49 for a tub of oh 348 Canadian for a tub of it gotta love it all

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right amazing why don't we jump right into our headline topic this week which

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is of course that team viewer has been killing off lifetime licenses we're gonna

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get into Redditor crazy cats 911's a letter that they shared but first before

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we do that I would like to read from an email that team viewer sent me in 2016

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in November of 2016 this was for quotation Q756412-Y8F4P2TV colon 0408275

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okay okay dear Linus thank you for your email attached please your special offer

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to update to version 12 we don't offer free updates but since you purchased in

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August I was able to apply a discount to your update so this was clearly in

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response to me being like yo WTF your new software came out literally three

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months after I just paid I believe it was either five or six thousand dollars

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do you remember no but it was a lot especially at that time it was a lot I

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spent a substantial amount of money especially again in the context of it

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being in 2016 a substantial amount of money on a team viewer license with the

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intention being that for I believe it was for a remote employee to be able to

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access slash a being able to administer some kind of something anyway the point

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is I needed a perpetual team your license I needed a couple of seeds for it our licenses are perpetual licenses when you purchase a license with us you

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make a one-time payment to purchase the version we sell at that time and all the

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updates within your perpetual version 10 will be extended to you no extra charge

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oh apparently I bought version 10 okay I'm not not sure the details here there

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are no additional monthly yearly nor maintenance fees that's good to know

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good to know thank you team viewer team viewer releases a new major version EX

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v11 to v12 every 12 to 15 months version upgrades our new functionality that our

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users have requested throughout the previous year as such updates are

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absolutely optional and solely based on your decision whether the features of

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the new version offer you any added benefits or not should you decide the

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new features are of a benefit you will then need to update your license as an

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existing customer you will receive a substantial discount off the new version

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list price we support all earlier versions of team viewer if you choose to

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stay with the version you originally purchased you will always find your

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license supported here and it sent it sent a link blah blah blah blah blah

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blah blah blah refer to our website for further information about your latest

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whatever whatever etc so there's a couple more emails that go back and forth

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but basically I said let's go ahead with the upgrade at a thousand dollars

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team viewer 12 was when they added mobile to mobile remote access which was you

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know what I think it was for our 2FA hyper old-school 2FA yes okay so we had

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that we had an old phone that we left plugged in that ran our 2FA like that's

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how old we are I know right that was when like 2FA started yeah I know so okay

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2FA through authenticator yeah so there was a phone that that sat because in the

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in the days before that our 2FA was just all on my phone so anytime anyone needed

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to log into anything they had to come bother me for a 2FA code as mine for

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certain yeah as we scaled so in 2016 this is around the time that we like had a

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substantial enough employees that was no longer viable for me to just have all

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the 2FA on my phone also that's crazy so so we had this 2FA phone so that's what

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we ultimately decided was worth the upgrade cost all right so that's all

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great that's all cool information thank you team viewer for letting me know how

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things work at team viewer now let's have a look at the letter I got it that

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crazy cats 911 is sharing over on reddit dear customer thank you for being a

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valued team viewer customer so Luke tell me something hold on we're gonna go back

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to the cam for a second here how much work is it for that email to say dear

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your actual name that's been a solved problem instead of your customer yeah

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it's pretty easy that's like if I sent you an email I'm like dear Luke thank you

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for being a valued Luke yeah you know how like when you if you repeat like the

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same intro to a paragraph over and over again it's like clunky yes it feels like

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the same thing but at the end of the sentence dear customer thank you for

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being a valued customer it's like yeah just find a different word we're

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reaching out to inform you of an important update regarding your team viewer

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license support for team viewer versions 11 and 12 will officially end on the

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31st of December 2025 as we continue advancing the security and performance of

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our remote connectivity platform how does this affect you well licenses will no

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longer be supported on our global network infrastructure excuse me that's not

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what you sold me yeah I just read you guys the quote quote Q 7 5 6 4 1 2 dash

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what okay sorry I won't read the whole thing again but I just read you guys the

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quote where team viewer sold me a $1,000 upgrade to software that I had just paid

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maybe it was a year prior what the point is I had just paid five grand for this

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software okay here's the thing team viewer there's two models for licensing

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software there's the subscription model where you charge a low fee okay over a

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long period of time while I'm using it or there's the one where you charge me an

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exorbitant fee and then I own it forever like you said our licenses are

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perpetual licenses anybody that has a service that takes active maintenance

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that sells a perpetual license I question it well that's their problem I

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that's my problem as the customer with you in this situation it just it makes me

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question things that is honestly I am I'm more offended than placated by them

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offering to allow me to use these versions for land connections yeah yeah

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on a LAN I could I could just use Windows remote desktop connection like

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well what would I need team viewer for if I was on a LAN with the sit like I've

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never heard of VNC like I what are you even talking about why this change as

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security standards evolve older software versions like team viewer 11 and 12

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become more susceptible to vulnerabilities and that's fair enough 100% that's fair enough yep maintaining these poses security risks and you know

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limit our ability to provide you with the most stable and secure experience and

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that you know what I mean that's valid that's valid absolutely except for one

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small problem our licenses are perpetual licenses there will be no

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additional monthly yearly nor maintenance fees looks laptop again your

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options you're here you're here now I'm done with that all right your options we

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highly encourage you to consider upgrading to the latest version of team

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viewer as a valued customer we're pleased to offer you an exclusive upgrade

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discount should you choose to transition to a subscription plan I have I have an

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idea oh yeah what do you think they should have done that's a good question I

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think I I think I know what I would have proposed in this scenario what should

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they have done okay well so I gotta admit you know I'm I'm a little bit

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emotional in this case sure right yeah because I'm I'm like I'm in it we talk

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all the time about how unacceptable it is for whether it's a software service or

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whether it's a whether it's a hardware service or like a like a smart home

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thing where they just turn off the infrastructure and what people paid for

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the deal is effectively altered pray I don't alter it any further right like we

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talk about it all the time but in this case you know I I have skin in the game

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yeah I paid thousands of dollars for this software that explicitly like I made

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real darn they they were proactively communicating to me that this was a

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perpetual license in perpetuity forever with no additional cost so with that in

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mind you know I think it's hard for me to look beyond well if they don't want

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to maintain this version of the software anymore than they should give me the new version of the software my answer is that but only sort of I think I think

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because you know I don't think upselling is necessarily a horrible thing as long

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as you're still taking care of the customer so I don't think you can just abandon them you have to give them something I think you could give them

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your oldest currently supported version but then you're kind of just asking to

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do this song and dance again pretty soon you could give them a like feature cut

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down version so it matches the features that they used to have but it's on the

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new infrastructure or something I don't know new app thing I don't know what all

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the changes are well that's the thing is they that same infrastructure that

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email about how they have new versions of TeamViewer every 12 to 15 months

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it's from 2016 what are we even up to for TeamViewer versions now like they

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are clearly not updating every TV or much anymore well yeah he does yeah do

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they even have a god look at this site okay you what am I even looking at you

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normal for a site to me I don't like it but what is this product how am I

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supposed to know what this product is yeah to be fair that image on the right

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means nothing absolutely nothing I thought you meant like the layout was

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gross no I just mean I have no idea what I'm even looking at here what even is

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this does it have like oh it's AI junk okay is it it's called TeamViewer remote

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view plans view plans in pricing more like view lies it's not upset at all okay

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does it even have a numbered version now what even what even is this I think you

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want to go downloads yeah all right I'll check download download I can't even I

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can't even find the stupid downloads now contact guides and manuals so it's all

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just buy hold on okay free download hey there we go there we go okay so if I

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hear maybe if I downloaded it'll it'll tell me the version number somewhere

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where's my download it does not by the way no it doesn't okay maybe so anyway

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or something I'm not sure anyway the point the point I was trying to make is

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I don't I don't need AI nonsense in my like remote access applications so latest

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versions 15.66.5 yeah there you go so in nine years they have managed to find

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312 to 15 month you know feature drops to do for the software which seems to

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which seems to well I I can think of things they could add they could add

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super low latency like parsec that's something they could add they could add

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super high high bit depth like color for you know color accurate work I don't

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know they could add all kinds of things yeah there you go perfect yeah so

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you got what broke down was them being able to develop compelling reasons for

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their customers to continue to upgrade absolutely yeah and I you can't you can't

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just cut those people off you got to give them something I think you could not

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give them more than they had but you can't just leave them behind and you

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could use this as an opportunity of like hey you know use some of that you know

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the email fill where you replace customer with their name and do you like

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you've had the service for X amount of years we'll give you some like modulated

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discount based on that if you upgrade to the newest version this is the free

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upgrade we're offering you now because we don't want to support that old version anymore tell me fine to me tell me this because a big part of my issue a big

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part of the reason that after TeamViewer like harassed me once they switched

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to a software as a service model rather than a perpetual license they like

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badgered me like I had to call them out on WAN Show to get them to stop

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emailing me and even calling me if I recall correctly did they did they call

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me I think they can't yeah they called you more than once they were bothering me

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to upgrade to their software as a service subscription model a big part of

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the reason that I decided to never give them another penny and never upgrade is

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that they don't offer a perpetual license anymore if they did we absolutely had

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remote employees who at the time were using VMs to access our our

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infrastructure so that we didn't have to have other solutions that we have now

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that give you remote yeah so you would remote into a VM and that would give you

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access to the server locally rather than us having a tunnel off-site don't don't

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worry about it okay we have way better stuff now okay the point is that there

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are there are definitely times that I would have considered upgrading TeamViewer

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for more features or better multi-monitor support or like whatever I don't know but

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one of the big reasons that I decided to never give them another another penny

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and never upgrade from 12 and one of the reasons I was so angry about their

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persistence in badgering me to upgrade was that they didn't offer a perpetual

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license anymore like they they gave up on the business model that was successful

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in extracting a thousand dollars from me for a version upgrade for what so that I

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will never give them another penny I mean if they came to me anyway if they

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came to me and we're like hey this is unforeseen we didn't know that nine

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years later we would only have three new versions but how about this we'll do the

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we'll do a perpetual license with the understanding that it might not be

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forever forever but it's not a subscription it's a well let's call it five

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years or something can you give us like can you give us like a grand and we'll

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get you on the latest version or something like that I'd consider it I

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would actually consider it but what I will not consider is just paying forever

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for something with no no end I can't do it unless your name is Adobe Microsoft

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Google I mean yeah am I the unreasonable one should I just should I just take it

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on this one tell me like I want to know no you bought a perpetual license you

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couldn't on those other services you know I mean technically I think the

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problem is actually value now that I think about it because you would have

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had a perpetual license to some of those old versions for Adobe and Adobe is

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one of the last companies on earth that I want to sit here and defend oh yeah

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but but but CS6 technically still works yep and you don't want to use it you

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want the new one therefore you'll go get the new one there you go but CS6 puts

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absolutely no strain whatsoever on Adobe's infrastructure yeah because like

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I said earlier anytime anyone that requires consistent investment in order

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to provide you a service yeah anytime they sell a perpetual license I squint

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my eyes a little bit and I question and I wonder what's going on and sometimes

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it's explainable sometimes they need a effectively VC style cash injection

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right yep and it's like okay maybe that makes sense we've got to get over the

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next to me to be honest because that makes me question how sustainable this

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is in the future but it can make sense and there are a bunch of different

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versions where I've been like okay you know what sure at this point time in

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your company it totally makes sense that you need a cash injection I will buy the

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thing because having a perpetual license to me is awesome I would way rather

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that than a subscription but like if I'm looking at a service that that I run

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yeah like perpetual licenses for for full plane oh that would make no sense

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no okay I'm not doing that we don't need the cash injection and that would suck

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for us because we need to maintain that like five years from now and we're not

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planning on full plane going anywhere so if we're if I know I'm gonna have to

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maintain it this whole time that's just gonna suck so tell me this then because

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we've talked a lot about piracy yeah a ton we've had some views on it that

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largely the community has agreed with and we've had some views on it that

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largely the community has not agreed with and you know what that's life

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sometimes people agree about things and sometimes they disagree about them I feel

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that my ownership of a team viewer license that that was perpetual that

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was promised to me as being perpetual I believe that even if they have changed

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their terms of service I'm entitled to pirate their software now do you do you

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think that I'm not talking from a legal standpoint no but I'm talking from just

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like my personal moral code standpoint I just this instead of judicial I believe

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that I am I would not lose a wink of sleep I wouldn't question it if I pirated

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team viewer software now I wouldn't question it at all obviously for work

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we like can't do that unless you want to fight legal battles but like on a

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personal level sure yeah no way so tell me this because this is this is an area

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that I've always felt is a little bit more gray we're actually in the process

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of helping with the restoration of an old show called reboot yeah watch reboot

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okay anyway so it just this is kind of hypothetical so bear with me for a

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little bit here guys because normally you wouldn't have consumer media on a

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format that is so hard to play back but it's actually the the archival like

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masters of the show that are on a format that is so obscure that Jake Tyvee is

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is kind of managing the project for us on the background we're kind of like

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sponsoring the restoration sort of but also Kyoksia is involved shout out Kyoksia

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anyway there they seem to decently often be involved in cool things I know I

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like I have nothing to do with any of this this part is not a sponsor for them

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they just get it I just every time I'm like that sounds like a crazy project and

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I hear like yeah and Kyoksia is behind it I'm like yeah Kyoksia just likes their

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name attached to like cool it as far as I can tell sweet easy so anyway they

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reached out and they were like hey we need another $7,500 because the only two

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I want to say like read heads or something like that the only familiar

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with this the only two brand new read heads in the world belong to this guy

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who's like really old once $7,500 and we if we don't get them now that's

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basically like it oh because they could estate sale or something you might not

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know what happens who knows and and and anyway anyway anyway what it made me

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think of when we were going through this team viewer topic was like tell me

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this if you bought a copy of some media and we're getting to the point where

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you know I think you could make a very strong argument for the coming generation

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sorry sorry sorry sorry mushroom and flipping chest at Kyoksia is the red

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bowl of storage and I just thought that was really actually kind of makes sense yeah we're getting to the point where I I feel and I could be wrong about this

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but I feel that a generation or two from now could be the first generation for

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whom media from like a hundred years ago like a movie from like a hundred years

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ago could actually still be like entertaining to watch like would you when

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you were a kid when you were a kid in 1990 would you have really consumed any

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media from 1890 no like I whereas like okay you know 25 35 40 years from now

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do you think you could potentially watch oh man it's tough because like will

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everything just be like stereoscopic or like I don't know I free Vaughn she

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won't watch anything where the audio quality sucks so that was like a major

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turning point in music recordings like anything from like the 50s she won't

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listen to it because the audio quality is just like not good enough but as soon

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as we got into like the 70s when amplifiers and when tape and when high

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fidelity recording instruments started to there's some stuff really appears that

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I think can stand up yeah so I guess I guess what I'm what I'm trying to say

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is there could come a time when you could have purchased a copy a license if you

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will for a piece of media say say a movie let's let's use a movie as an easy

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example because movies are so central to the conversation around piracy right

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yeah so there was a movie that you purchased that is on a format that

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through no fault of your own you can no longer play back

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kind of like the this is a thing that happens this happens with video games sure but is in a format that you can no longer play back or access would you as

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the owner of said license said physical license for it would you lose any sleep

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downloading the the the the the 18k blu-ray or whatever you know whatever

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exists in the future oh for that content knowing like my team viewer license

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that it has been upgraded in that time it's been upscaled or remastered in

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dolby at most three or whatever it is you kind of get what I'm saying right

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I my general action here is that I buy the new thing

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you buy the new thing and I I I see that as if work has been put into it but I

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didn't my problem is I don't think this is an equivalency

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because I didn't lose access because of the company's actions that I

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bought the thing from yeah that's a huge

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distinct difference okay so we'd have to have a hypothetical where it's some

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disney movie and it was on some disney exclusive physical format

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that they then eol'd and like bricked all the players for then I don't then that's different that becomes a little bit more gray

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I don't think I would care I think that one's black and I think I would just

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download the thing yeah okay okay so basically what we're what the way what

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I'm picking up what I think you're throwing down is that sure in that case it wasn't any fault of your own

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but it also wasn't the fault of the license issuer so so it's like if I bought a dvd yeah and they you know they don't make dvd

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players sure but I can't get dvd players anyway this isn't true yeah no I get it but if it was true but it's a no fault it's an

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accident yeah then I'll buy the new one okay okay but if it is through the actions and false representations

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of the license issuer then a big you know you pretty much yeah I would also

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like to point out top IMDB list you've got 1994 1972 2008 1974 1957

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embarrassingly I have not seen any of them you haven't seen the godfather I we

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should add that to our uh to our movie we're we're having movie night tonight

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I have a feeling if I did it was a super long time ago probably with my parents

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or my dad or something um it's very likely I saw part of it

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a lot of my like tv and movie watching forever ago was because

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my computer was in the room that the tv was in and I'll be like on the computer

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playing games or or messing around with operating systems doing whatever the

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heck I was doing they're printing out pictures

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not when they were home

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and watching tv on the side that's how he got busted ones

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I didn't there was a printing out photographs it's like a spooling issue and it printed the last

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one out like way later and I didn't know and it was just still in the tray and my mom found it

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I got banned off the computer for like a month I don't remember the details on it knowing your

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mom you're lucky you only got a month yeah there was some

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that's actually if I were quickly that's why the computer was there right I think it was upstairs

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oh man I'm trying to remember it right now but anyways

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yeah like one dude once you get to the 90s it pops off yeah oh shoot we're not on your

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laptop anymore a forest gump pulp fiction yeah I do like how watchable are all those movies today

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then again I mean shawshank redemption dude maybe part of that is just that that was the media of our

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childhoods fight club like I have a hard time I have a hard time imagining the lord of the lord of

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the rings trilogy godfellas like people trying to watch it and just being like no no this is

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forget it ah apparently this is a problem oh no I mean I'm my kid my kids can make it through it

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but yeah I just mean four people who like it's also might be like a little young for it yeah

424
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:26,060
maybe it was my son so he's probably not yeah would it come out in 2001

425
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:32,780
yeah fellowship with the room yeah 2001 so I would have been 15 yeah maybe he's uh maybe

426
00:41:32,780 --> 00:41:36,940
he's a little maybe he's a little young because like I'm doing the heck out of it when I was 15

427
00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:46,620
I loved it and I was what you love lord of the rings no I just uh I was uh unless this

428
00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:54,700
released after November 12th I was 10 what the heck that doesn't make sense yeah aging's funny

429
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:58,940
it's been a long time I know I just thought I was older when that came out that's all

430
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:06,380
anyway in summary guess not each team viewer I will never give you another cent yeah time to

431
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:11,340
get pirated yeah or alternatively actually you just kind of suck now and we'll use something else

432
00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:20,540
yeah yeah there are make it less bad I guess the impact is lower yeah we haven't really used it

433
00:42:20,540 --> 00:42:29,660
in like a long time no um I still I still use it just out of convenience for one VM that I just like

434
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:36,860
haven't bothered to install something else on uh well that I've this a VM that I've just had for

435
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:40,380
like years and years and years that I've just like never bothered to install something new on

436
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:45,260
you have to figure something out I mean it's pretty yeah I'll just use parsec yeah parsec

437
00:42:45,260 --> 00:42:49,580
still has a free version of the service so what I mean by figure something out yeah and I think

438
00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:55,260
don't we have corporate parsec anyway yeah yeah so like whatever yeah um so okay here's a question

439
00:42:55,420 --> 00:42:58,780
why am I willing to pay a subscription to parsec

440
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:09,820
they didn't change the deal on you oh also that interesting but we would and you didn't

441
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:14,780
I didn't actually know that yeah interesting but they didn't change the deal they didn't

442
00:43:14,780 --> 00:43:19,020
alter the deal this was the deal that's that's true and they offered something that

443
00:43:19,900 --> 00:43:25,580
the competing service didn't extremely low latency yeah which uh and it's honestly like when we

444
00:43:25,580 --> 00:43:31,740
when we added it to our to our infra was essential for getting our videos edited when like the office

445
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:37,260
was effectively a quarantine zone it's got great multi monitor support as well it didn't in the

446
00:43:37,260 --> 00:43:41,100
early days but we've played video games over it we played tape to tape yep over parsec

447
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:48,860
um and like the latency was right good all right what's next what do you want to talk

448
00:43:48,860 --> 00:43:54,300
about next mr luke um let's see here we're on topic to steam steam steam steam really you think

449
00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:57,820
that one's that big of a deal okay I just think it's cool let's talk about I'm not even I don't

450
00:43:57,820 --> 00:44:01,740
even necessarily want the fight I don't think it's cool you don't want the fight you don't want the

451
00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:11,500
fight I didn't even have to stand up you didn't get that much hotter than me

452
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:15,980
wow and my seat's down wow

453
00:44:19,260 --> 00:44:25,020
wow all right steam wants you to know about fake frames the steam client beta was updated earlier

454
00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:30,140
this week with improved performance monitoring which is super cool I saw the notification for

455
00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:33,900
this but I didn't have a ton of time to look into it because this week was very busy for me

456
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:37,740
the old in-game FPS counter should we tell them what you were doing this week

457
00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:42,380
is that a thing I can tell them the one but I don't know if

458
00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:51,500
do we want to announce that one we shot scrapyard worse 10 we did it was epic the premise was

459
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:57,420
genuinely amazing okay anyway carry on anyways yeah the steam client beta was updated earlier

460
00:44:57,420 --> 00:45:02,540
this week with improved performance monitoring the old in-game FPS counter has been updated

461
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:09,740
into the in-game overlay performance monitor okay adding more detailed information about frame

462
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:16,140
rates frame generation CPU and GPU performance and more try it yourself by enabling the client

463
00:45:16,140 --> 00:45:21,660
beta by going to settings and then in game in the steam in other steam news valve has introduced

464
00:45:21,660 --> 00:45:26,140
what it says our first of many accessibility tool this is other stuff why don't we talk about this

465
00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:33,900
first let's do that so you think that this is a really big deal and I don't necessarily disagree

466
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,660
but I just want to hear your take about how big of a deal it is that they have

467
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:42,060
more detailed information about frame gen specifically I think is what you were

468
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:47,260
yeah sort of focused on again I haven't personally actually dove into this yet I'm hoping it also has

469
00:45:47,260 --> 00:45:53,020
frame time stuff but I just really like back in the day you know needing to get fraps and all these

470
00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:57,900
kind of things to figure out what the heck was going on having this built into steam is really cool

471
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:03,020
and having a tool built into steam where you can learn more about what's happening to your system

472
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:09,420
because like there's all these videos and people talking about trying to figure out like oh like

473
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:13,420
what is the what is the impact what is why does my game feel kind of weird right now yeah because

474
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:17,820
people playing competitive shooters dealing with frame gen stuff I'm not necessarily like like I

475
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:23,980
said I don't necessarily want the fight I don't actually really care so much about the fake frames

476
00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:29,500
versus real frames war the part of that that I do care about is when it's highly misrepresented

477
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:33,340
and we've seen that a lot in like the avidia envidia presentations and stuff right but the

478
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:39,820
technology by itself is super cool yeah in the right scenarios why does marketing have to ruin

479
00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:45,340
everything yeah it's just marketed horribly because it's it's false promises really it's a cool tech

480
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:52,220
on its own yeah it like even even multi frame gen like it's a cool tech on its own it has a place

481
00:46:52,220 --> 00:46:58,060
and it has a purpose cinematic single player games yeah as long as they're not too fast paced

482
00:46:58,060 --> 00:47:04,300
yeah sometimes it's a problem and as long as the base performance is enough but tools like this yeah

483
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:09,740
make it so that you can turn it on see how many fake frames are happening evaluate the game play

484
00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:15,900
it a little bit see how it feels dial things in like it's just it's another cool useful tool I love

485
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:22,300
these types of things I love you know like tools for nerds what is Google call it stats for geeks

486
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:29,180
I love stuff like that give me more tools I'm gonna poke around you try things I'm excited to just see

487
00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:36,860
with ease on any one system what's kind of going on like if somebody's like oh yeah I'm trying to

488
00:47:36,860 --> 00:47:43,180
play this game but like aiming feels sluggish for some reason or like I feel like I'm on target I'm

489
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:46,780
not hitting people or whatever we can like now we have another tool to try to evaluate right you

490
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:51,580
can also do like you know screen record and slow it down to see like maybe maybe you just suck

491
00:47:52,860 --> 00:47:59,980
but but those tools those tools already exist so yeah I tried getting good I think this is uh

492
00:47:59,980 --> 00:48:05,580
this is sweet I uh we actually have like a direct appeal to Val Val does so much cool

493
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:10,860
stuff that just generally makes gamers lives better and easier and there's one tool that I

494
00:48:10,860 --> 00:48:16,460
feel they have neglected over a long period of time that I really want to see them update

495
00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:23,180
we have a new edition of the most average PC build coming so are you familiar with the series

496
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:29,980
I think so this is number three or four I can't remember but it's it's updated to 2025 version

497
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:37,900
or the recent 2025 release of the Steam hardware survey and the Steam hardware survey is an

498
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:45,100
invaluable tool for determining what exactly it is that gamers have in their systems it does a

499
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:51,340
great job both for people who are configuring gaming PCs to you know be able to look through

500
00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:56,060
and figure out okay like what's the norm you know what or you know what should I kind of be targeting

501
00:48:56,060 --> 00:49:00,780
to play games that developers are likely to be building their games around and then it's also

502
00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:05,100
great for developers because it gives them a really great idea especially over time of what

503
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:10,620
the changing trends are in hardware configurations out there so that as they're developing their

504
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:15,420
games and their performance targets they know what kind of hardware that steam gamers have

505
00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:22,780
and while it does a pretty good job of the granularity of certain components like GPUs for

506
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:28,140
instance you can see exactly which model of GPU in many cases sometimes the mobile ones kind of get

507
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:34,700
mixed in but minor stuff you know for things like CPUs they just tell you how many cores

508
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:43,260
and what clock speed range like we're talking like like net burst era of information here

509
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:50,300
so so one of the examples that Elijah gives in the videos he goes well okay six cores

510
00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:58,380
clocked between this and this that could either be this 12th gen CPU or this Xeon from 10 years ago

511
00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:04,620
they literally both fit the bill we're gonna assume it's more like the new one but come on I can't

512
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:08,860
know this is the point we're trying to make and so and some of the information they have on monitors

513
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:13,340
for instance really good really useful we know what resolution people are running that's great

514
00:50:14,060 --> 00:50:18,860
what refresh rate are they running as a game developer I might want to know that

515
00:50:19,660 --> 00:50:25,100
as a gamer who's just you know trying to figure out the the competition out there I might I might

516
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:29,820
want to know hey you know am I falling behind a little bit right now because I'm one of the only

517
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:34,540
people still running a 60 Hertz monitor which to be clear it's not that's not the case but

518
00:50:35,260 --> 00:50:39,580
that it is changing high refresh rate monitors are becoming more prevalent how prevalent I don't

519
00:50:39,580 --> 00:50:43,580
know yeah it would be nice to know if the valve hardware survey had it in there then that would

520
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:50,140
be great and it for for us in the media it also helps us to tailor our content to whatever people

521
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:55,260
are most likely to be having questions about you know as there's a big transition there's a big

522
00:50:55,260 --> 00:51:00,540
transition to 1440p right now yep so okay we're looking at that going all right so we should do

523
00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:05,340
like a 1440p monitors buying guide or whatever the case may be the steam hardware survey is an

524
00:51:05,340 --> 00:51:10,380
invaluable tool it's one that they have that they publish for free for everybody to use which is

525
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:18,460
wild which is great but also self-serving because it's to help developers and gamers meet together

526
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:26,140
on steam so make it better there there's some key there's some key ways that the steam hardware

527
00:51:26,140 --> 00:51:32,380
survey needs to improve and so we kind of appeal to valves generosity I guess because that's the

528
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:36,940
only reason they have to do anything now that they're just a money printing machine um and ask

529
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:41,900
them to be still upon us mere mortals a better version of the hardware survey and I don't remember

530
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:47,340
how we got in the subject I think you know a couple people there I do but they're valve people so

531
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:54,860
like they're great and do whatever the f*** they want I think yeah I don't know like I know their

532
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:58,780
their company's super flat and there's there's these rumors that I've heard that you can like

533
00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:06,940
kind of work on whatever which is clearly not 100 true or else nothing would ever happen yeah

534
00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:11,740
like I have p I have contacts there that are clearly in like a role yeah you know like job title

535
00:52:11,740 --> 00:52:15,980
and stuff like customer support tickets are still answered yeah and if that was purely elective just

536
00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:23,100
like no one's ever gonna do it so like I love answering customer support okay sure um I used

537
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:28,140
to pitch in when things were really busy at NCIX I still do yeah thanks for enough part of life

538
00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:39,340
I don't I don't exactly love it but you know um but on that dark day when Gaben's light

539
00:52:39,340 --> 00:52:46,220
finally fades what do you think's gonna happen I have no idea I think a lot of the reasons why

540
00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:51,500
valve has been so based and you know I sometimes bark at their 30 percent and stuff like that but

541
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:58,860
they have overall been a force for good absolutely for the most part yeah they take a lot of the

542
00:52:58,860 --> 00:53:05,580
pie yeah I think they do good stuff I think I do think that Gaben just like not needing any more

543
00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:13,900
super yachts is a big part of why they just don't bother to try to squeeze more money yeah like nothing

544
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:20,140
as far as I can tell nothing prevents valve from upping their cut to 35 percent but I don't even

545
00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:24,300
know like you're 50 you look at the handheld market and they could have just gone with Windows

546
00:53:25,180 --> 00:53:31,820
but they didn't yeah and they did a ton of work in order to not and like you look at what's

547
00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:39,660
happening with with bazite and stuff now and it's like wow they are really pushing this forward

548
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:46,460
in a way that nobody has um I don't know they they do cool stuff I wish they made more games still

549
00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:51,260
I know people talk about half life all the time but like give me another portal

550
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:58,460
I don't know I'm gonna I'd enjoy another portal I'd play it but it's co-op I I love the

551
00:53:58,460 --> 00:54:02,060
kind of portal one and I felt like portal two was rehashing a lot of the same territory I don't

552
00:54:02,060 --> 00:54:11,340
see what portal three would bring to the table more co-op yeah okay more co-op um yeah anyway

553
00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:16,380
in other news uh valve is introducing what it says are the first of many accessibility tools

554
00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:21,980
to steam and steam os players using big picture and steam os will get a text size slider high

555
00:54:21,980 --> 00:54:27,420
contrast mode a reduced motion toggle to disable some animations and screen transition effects

556
00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:34,380
and in addition steam os devices so steam deck and legion go s for now will gain a customizable

557
00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:37,900
screen reader a color filter that affects both the steam UI and in game graphics and they can choose

558
00:54:37,980 --> 00:54:42,860
between oh and you can find all this in the new accessibility tab in your steam settings I'm really

559
00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:49,580
surprised they didn't already have like high contrast mode and stuff classic valve the only

560
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:55,420
thing that's surprising about them being based is that they weren't already that based uh Dan

561
00:54:55,420 --> 00:55:01,500
what are we supposed to be doing that's pretty good why don't we do a couple merge messages and

562
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:07,980
announcements all right let's do that uh merge messages are the way to interact with the show

563
00:55:07,980 --> 00:55:12,460
if you're gonna throw money at your screen the way we see it you should get high quality merchandise

564
00:55:12,460 --> 00:55:19,260
in return so all you gotta do is go over to lttstore.com throw some cool stuff in your cart

565
00:55:19,260 --> 00:55:25,260
and then head to the checkout where you will see a box that prompts you to leave a merge message

566
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:33,340
and look at that we have a when show special on lttstore.com right now this is the uh which

567
00:55:33,340 --> 00:55:40,460
site is this so this is the us site I guess yes we are in the on the us site so we have the

568
00:55:40,460 --> 00:55:46,300
precision screwdriver and the precision bit set each for $30 or we have the precision bundle

569
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:57,740
for $59.99 and then if we go to the global region 64.99 canadian dollars for the precision

570
00:55:57,740 --> 00:56:02,620
bundle so you guys can go ahead and throw that in your cart and then you can leave a merge message

571
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:07,980
it will go to producer Dan who will send it to someone who can answer your question answer it

572
00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:14,620
himself sometimes um maybe not that accurately but certainly comedically and or send it to

573
00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:19,660
it's called dodging the question me and luke as a curated merge message Dan do you want to show

574
00:56:19,660 --> 00:56:25,420
them what curated merge messages look like sure uh let's see first one up here what can be done to

575
00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:30,700
combat AI generated content on youtube that uses AI to impersonate other people's voices

576
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:36,620
to imply that the person is saying this content when really they are not it's everywhere I mean

577
00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:43,020
there's a lot of conversation there's a lot of very uh plausible solutions you know one solution

578
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:49,020
would be that any AI generated media should have fingerprinting built into it so that platforms

579
00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:56,380
like youtube could um read that fingerprinting and see that it's AI generated and and flag it as such

580
00:56:56,380 --> 00:57:05,340
unfortunately now that pandora's box is kind of kind of open and not every actor is interested

581
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:14,140
in having their AI generated content fingerprinted um the horses has bolted from the barn the cats

582
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:20,700
out of the bag the ship has sailed the there there's there's pretty much there's pretty much nothing

583
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:33,100
we can do to un release AI into the world with no safeguards no clear markings whatsoever on it

584
00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:43,500
yeah it's rough um it would be kind of neat if see I don't know because I feel like I feel like

585
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:49,420
they're embracing it but I was gonna say it would be kind of neat if youtube started using AI to

586
00:57:49,740 --> 00:58:01,420
to detect AI um and just kind of mass banned it youtube it's not AI tube uh I unless maybe

587
00:58:01,420 --> 00:58:08,540
if you can get your thing approved somehow oh that gets really tough because I don't think

588
00:58:08,540 --> 00:58:14,700
mass ban actually makes sense I want to walk that back it's gotta be impersonation

589
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:24,940
so they'd have to like oh man I don't know how they do it like we we could count on the

590
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:31,100
I don't know yeah we dude I don't know we could count on the we could count on the

591
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:36,140
detection to continue to get better but as it does the generational get better and wait until

592
00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:42,540
somebody just has like uh fairly unique like uh like a medical condition or something and they

593
00:58:42,540 --> 00:58:51,500
get flagged and then you get that twitter thread about like oh so that doesn't work at all totally

594
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:56,140
see that that doesn't work especially with like kind of bad lighting and like a low resolution

595
00:58:56,140 --> 00:59:06,940
camera or something like that yeah that would be insane um and there are acceptable usages

596
00:59:06,940 --> 00:59:10,700
of it right it's it's mostly impersonation that we're complaining about right now which sounds

597
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:19,180
like an incredibly fair thing to complain about um yeah yeah legacy uprising said like all the

598
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:24,140
Joe Rogan ads that aren't him yeah yeah or mr beast there's tons of scams that aren't him

599
00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:31,900
why was what was it uh six months ago something the whole site was tesla yeah everything's computer

600
00:59:31,900 --> 00:59:38,700
wait sorry everything's tesla sorry wait should we talk about should we talk about trump phone

601
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:43,740
yeah yeah good segue we'll do another merge message after jan that was that was just too

602
00:59:43,740 --> 00:59:54,460
irresistible of a transition um get right on june 16 don trump jr and eric trump along with the

603
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:12,700
no but doesn't isn't uh man what's his name um darn it summit is summit like pissed i don't know

604
01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:18,780
summit t1 summit one t one g oh is it one g yeah i don't know what are you talking about doesn't

605
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:24,380
t1 refer to all right this is a quote tyler one oh sure tyler one's gotta be i don't know

606
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:32,620
know this is a quote a transformational new cellular service designed to deliver top tier

607
01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:39,580
connectivity unbeatable value and all american service for our nation's hardest working people

608
01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:48,460
they're offering 5g service through all three major cellular carriers subscribers to the 47 plan

609
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:55,740
which is uh 47 and 45 cents a month gain the following unlimited talk text and data complete

610
01:00:55,740 --> 01:01:03,580
device protection that's in quotes 24 seven roadside assistance through drive america telehealth

611
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:09,820
services free international calling to more than 100 countries including many with american

612
01:01:09,820 --> 01:01:13,660
military bases to help honor the families who are bravely serving in our military abroad that's a

613
01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:22,220
quote and no contracts and no credit check they're also touting a customer service call center based

614
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:28,300
in the usa they got a couple of different options here you can bring your own phone or you can

615
01:01:28,300 --> 01:01:39,660
pre-order a trump phone the made in the usa t1 phone 8002 gold version okay this is where things

616
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:44,460
get pretty interesting let's head on over to trump mobile dot com

617
01:01:46,460 --> 01:01:50,700
oh lordy no i don't need to subscribe to whatever this is um i love

618
01:01:52,460 --> 01:01:59,100
no i think i'll i think i'll pass i love the the picture can we compare to like any other

619
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:05,420
cellular service like uh name one team mobile team mobile let's see let's uh let's home internet

620
01:02:05,420 --> 01:02:11,580
and i'll stop out of creating my goodness um okay mobile's website a phone it's just a phone

621
01:02:12,140 --> 01:02:17,820
there's some people hanging out more phones or somebody with a phone on a scooter or something

622
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:26,140
some people well that's not a serious mobile network this business is a serious mobile network

623
01:02:26,140 --> 01:02:32,540
it's the action plan let's um all right let's check out the t1 phone

624
01:02:35,580 --> 01:02:42,300
key features very gold proudly made in america nice right here in the usa with care precision

625
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:49,660
and top quality materials to deliver a product you can trust five hundred dollars five hundred

626
01:02:49,740 --> 01:02:57,820
dollars um okay fingerprint sensor a i face unlock what else we've got here

627
01:02:58,380 --> 01:03:02,780
avocados diaboly in full plane chat said their site took down their coverage map because it

628
01:03:02,780 --> 01:03:12,140
didn't label gulf of mexico's gulf of america i don't know if that's true or not but that's

629
01:03:12,220 --> 01:03:19,900
hilarious if it is oh no uh there's still wait what so it's a it's a service and it's a phone and

630
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:24,060
it's a service that goes through other people's services they're still working on some stuff

631
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:28,940
when i checked out the verge article on it early earlier it pointed out some errors on the site

632
01:03:28,940 --> 01:03:34,380
that appear to have not been corrected yet they still don't know the difference between memory

633
01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:42,380
and storage um oh what are some of the other issues here uh actually it's not some of the

634
01:03:42,380 --> 01:03:47,500
stuff some of the stuff might be uh might be a little bit better oh wow you can call you

635
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:51,580
could should i call oh yeah should i we got we got to think about what you want to say first

636
01:03:51,580 --> 01:03:56,380
i think i have to call no i just i just i just want to i just want to ask how i want to ask

637
01:03:56,380 --> 01:04:04,300
how i can know that this phone is made in america all right dude i don't remember the

638
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:14,140
last time that i saw a phone number advertised with like t9 you know like can you can do you

639
01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:19,900
is that that this is such a boomer i've seen some where it will show both versions but i've never

640
01:04:19,900 --> 01:04:24,380
seen one where it only shows the t9 i'm calling the line yeah they they literally don't even show

641
01:04:24,380 --> 01:04:25,820
okay hold on speaker

642
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:29,020
hey guys

643
01:04:33,580 --> 01:04:38,220
um hello is this even dialing

644
01:04:41,660 --> 01:04:45,340
oh can you literally like not even call it if you're outside the us

645
01:04:47,180 --> 01:04:54,220
it it didn't even work put one in front i did you totally did i'm not new i'm just

646
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:59,500
okay hold on is there do they have do they have like an alternate non one eight eight number

647
01:05:01,980 --> 01:05:09,820
uh okay here i'll try support need help you're in the right place she'll help you yes um

648
01:05:11,740 --> 01:05:18,620
it's just uh from wait what's saturdays from eight a.m to one p.m oh okay oh you know what

649
01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:24,060
they're closed they're closed i think they closed 20 minutes ago they totally did but why why did

650
01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:29,340
should probably have their phone tell you that yeah why did it just hang up they're new

651
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:36,300
okay okay you know what they're changing the world Dan one step at a time Dan this seems like a thing

652
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:43,900
that you could probably help with um next week can we start the show by calling trump mobile

653
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:47,900
and can we have like a google voice line or something with a us number is that the kind

654
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:52,780
of thing that Dan is capable of it seems like the kind of thing Dan is very capable of oh yeah

655
01:05:52,860 --> 01:05:59,100
look at the us number yeah yeah yeah yeah he knows he knows this guy knows um anyway so what was

656
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:06,460
also interesting from the verge article is that um as far as they could tell the whole the this phone

657
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:15,100
is made in america thing appears to be complete nonsense um there are only renders on the website

658
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:22,060
no physical units have been spotted they didn't list the processor i believe there is a similar

659
01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:27,180
looking chinese phone although that's actually not in our dock so maybe this is very much like

660
01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:34,300
developing right now um there was a similar ish looking chinese phone but i i don't see that in

661
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:41,260
our dock um and this is this is fun um eric trump says the phone will be built in the us eventually

662
01:06:41,260 --> 01:06:53,420
no eventually yeah the site doesn't say anything about it being built in the us eventually

663
01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:09,260
okay this is amazing i'm checking out a reddit thread because i'm trying to verify this whole

664
01:07:09,260 --> 01:07:18,300
gulf of mexico thing yeah so i'm reading a reddit thread and this guy linked um oh my god there's

665
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:23,180
so many fun gaffes somebody said there there is zero phones made in america and somebody

666
01:07:23,180 --> 01:07:27,900
replied saying there is one Linux phone that has awful specs it starts at 2k called the liberty

667
01:07:27,900 --> 01:07:39,340
phone i looked it up and yeah 1.5 gigahertz quad core wow 720 by 1440 display yeah that wow

668
01:07:39,340 --> 01:07:51,180
that thing is horrible i mean it has wi-fi six two grand yikes but things like if you

669
01:07:51,980 --> 01:07:55,500
you know if you manufacture there it's going to cut look at that thickness it's got a it's

670
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:59,980
got a headphone jack though is it usb-c i can't tell looks like it i'm not certain but it looks like

671
01:07:59,980 --> 01:08:06,860
it pd yeah usb-c okay man i kind of want one now i kind of want to i kind of want to try it

672
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:13,340
outfitted with hardware kill switches all right here that's kind of cool that is kind of cool

673
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:18,620
i like that you can do that with the the camera the mic yeah i kind of want to try it i mean i'm

674
01:08:18,620 --> 01:08:22,300
sure it's like terrible but that's pretty cool

675
01:08:25,580 --> 01:08:30,780
yeah anyways manufacturing things like phones in the states hold on a second someone posted in

676
01:08:30,780 --> 01:08:36,220
chat what they think is the the model of phone that the trump t1 phone is just a second just a

677
01:08:36,220 --> 01:08:41,660
second i'm gonna pull this up thanks Floatplane chat having a look here apparently oh no this

678
01:08:41,660 --> 01:08:47,580
doesn't look the same guys that does that does not look the same at all the the render on the

679
01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:53,900
trump mobile site has like three cameras and i don't know yeah i mean other than that phones

680
01:08:53,900 --> 01:08:58,780
just kind of like look like phones i guess yeah that's that's that i don't know chuck i don't

681
01:08:58,780 --> 01:09:04,140
know you're talking about okay so there's some gaps the terms of use page appears to be basically

682
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:10,540
copied from liberty mobile um the privacy policy was also likely copied and allows data collection

683
01:09:10,540 --> 01:09:18,300
from searches web browsing device and location for its ai systems and it has collected complete

684
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:23,820
account credentials whatever that means and mail email and text message contents over the past 12

685
01:09:23,820 --> 01:09:29,340
months what does that even mean wait what oh you read that past tense correctly they didn't

686
01:09:29,340 --> 01:09:35,900
spend much time editing when they copied it oh my gosh uh there's no refunds and yes it looks

687
01:09:35,980 --> 01:09:41,980
like the phone is made in china um oh but then they're saying it's the revel 7 pro but like

688
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:48,620
oh is that just the only phone that has the same specs and then these renders are just like maybe

689
01:09:48,620 --> 01:09:53,900
these are just like random random renders of what could kind of look like a phone are there any

690
01:09:53,900 --> 01:10:01,580
other pictures like this is like this is clearly just like these these curves don't even align

691
01:10:01,580 --> 01:10:05,260
like what are you even what are you even talking about like this is obviously not real

692
01:10:08,220 --> 01:10:12,940
why is there a pretend home button here is this is the idea that they're showing where a fingerprint

693
01:10:12,940 --> 01:10:27,740
sensor might be or like what sad it's all i have to say about that are you gonna get one i mean

694
01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:36,140
i don't think realistically anyone is going to get one so no but i think people might get a phone

695
01:10:36,140 --> 01:10:45,820
you think so i have no idea but they might have a phone at some point revel 6 pro 5 g somebody said

696
01:10:45,820 --> 01:10:55,580
i am just i am i am i am mind boggled by just how just like obviously fake you know stuff is

697
01:10:56,540 --> 01:11:04,460
that certain people you know do and how obviously like you know constantly lying certain people are

698
01:11:04,460 --> 01:11:13,740
and how not noticing many people are this time it'll work out this is this time will be different

699
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:21,900
this and if it's not this one then next one then next time yep mind boggling maybe you're a time

700
01:11:21,980 --> 01:11:29,580
three better that's pretty long view though you gotta wait a while for that yeah i mean i'll

701
01:11:29,580 --> 01:11:35,180
i'll pre-order one because just like whatever arrives whatever it is it's going to be hilarious

702
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:40,380
one way or another somebody said all in on trump coin it reminded me didn't i thought i had a

703
01:11:41,340 --> 01:11:48,700
yes was my idea you wanted us to do Linus coin but like backed by the gold standard yeah yeah stop

704
01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:53,660
i think i'm pretty sure that's already a thing i'm pretty sure there's already a crypto i'm really

705
01:11:53,660 --> 01:11:59,180
not in that space crypto coin gold backed there there's no way nobody thought of this

706
01:11:59,900 --> 01:12:03,820
gold backed stable coins are asset backed stable coins that have physical gold as their

707
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:08,220
underlying asset they're going to gold making them a less volatile financial instrument uh

708
01:12:08,220 --> 01:12:13,660
that's a quote i am reading that i don't necessarily agree with that thing that i just yeah yeah

709
01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:20,140
because a stable coin you're basically taking somebody's word for it that no no yeah no yeah

710
01:12:20,140 --> 01:12:26,460
no yeah i bought all that got all that gold so there's a there's a few um they actually

711
01:12:26,460 --> 01:12:29,980
one of them actually lists out like the amount of gold bars that they have and stuff

712
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:39,740
are they telling the truth i don't know oh i mean why would they lie about it i mean i'm sure

713
01:12:39,820 --> 01:12:45,740
they're a strong christian with good values and would never be a scammer that's a reference to

714
01:12:45,740 --> 01:12:50,620
something it's a reference to something yeah let me just put it this way we filmed scrapyard wars

715
01:12:51,180 --> 01:13:00,780
this week and i ran into some scammers yeah i heard this i i i don't want to spoil i don't

716
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:04,380
want to spoil much i don't want to spoil i don't want to spoil anything actually it's going to be a

717
01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:06,780
great series um but

718
01:13:10,620 --> 01:13:18,220
i ran into some scammers and uh i definitely had people saying win probably not for a while

719
01:13:18,780 --> 01:13:23,260
oh it's going to be a step in for a wait here's the thing right guys because on the one hand

720
01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:26,780
we're going to have the people that are like give me the first episode give it to me now

721
01:13:30,060 --> 01:13:33,820
and on the other hand you're going to have the people that will get that first episode

722
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:39,260
and then realize that the second episode isn't coming for like you know three weeks or a month

723
01:13:39,260 --> 01:13:47,740
or whatever and be like why didn't they pre-edit all of it yeah why schedule the releases so there's

724
01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:52,780
no way for us to really yeah really win we'll do our best i think we're going to aim for like a week

725
01:13:52,780 --> 01:13:57,660
or two in between and i think that like previous scrapyard wars we're probably going to have

726
01:13:57,660 --> 01:14:05,580
really access on Floatplane so LMG.gg slash Floatplane pump it up all right um Dan where did we

727
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:12,940
leave off oh we're in the middle of announcements okay i specifically where in the middle we just

728
01:14:12,940 --> 01:14:18,300
explained you explained merge messages we did a merge message you showed that we have a deal on

729
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:26,460
the precision screwdriver bundle really and that was about it oh okay what else is there

730
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:35,180
we are on cw announcements yeah the final the very top of that yeah just start with the red

731
01:14:35,180 --> 01:14:42,940
oh wow look at this uh do you want to show the show the link yep okay folks it might have taken

732
01:14:42,940 --> 01:14:52,860
a few years but that one yeah but we finally did it we oh it did it but did oh is there not a link

733
01:14:52,860 --> 01:15:01,180
nope uh oh uh but the should i call someone the link go to the forum uh oh that is not good

734
01:15:01,180 --> 01:15:09,260
make sure it's not i will try a thing dang it well do you want to see if you yep no that

735
01:15:09,260 --> 01:15:18,220
definitely goes to the forum yep uh uh uh uh technical difficulties uh there but

736
01:15:18,540 --> 01:15:26,860
is there someone to call burp or someone i i i don't know i i don't know who to talk to conrad's

737
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:34,300
got us conrad's got us thanks conrad uh we're gonna have to change it i got him on it okay no key

738
01:15:34,300 --> 01:15:38,780
also knows uh it's it's in the Floatplane yeah okay okay here we go here we go we are finally

739
01:15:38,780 --> 01:15:46,460
ready to announce go ahead throw it you coward all right fine are you gonna bring up your screen well

740
01:15:48,220 --> 01:16:00,460
uh uh uh uh uh this is painful there we go there it is yeah the transparent screwdriver

741
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:09,260
that's right my friends the very first ratcheting screwdriver that allows you to see the ratchet

742
01:16:09,260 --> 01:16:16,220
mechanism in all of its glory this is world first i think so well who else would make this that's so

743
01:16:16,220 --> 01:16:24,060
cool um you can also see the bit storage through the uh through the handle it looks freaking sweet

744
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:30,860
we use them all week for scrapyard wars and they were awesome it is launching next friday on june

745
01:16:30,860 --> 01:16:39,020
27th and you can sign up to be notified at lttstore.com slash transparent dude it's kind of cool that

746
01:16:39,020 --> 01:16:45,260
you can check if you have the right bit without even pulling it out that's kind of i i never

747
01:16:45,260 --> 01:16:51,900
actually did that the whole time uh people are asking does it yellow that is a super duper

748
01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:59,020
super duper question uh one moment please i will who do i want to oh who can i bug about this you

749
01:16:59,020 --> 01:17:06,380
know what um the person i'm thinking of may still be like enroute and therefore maybe not too

750
01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:19,340
bothered if i bother them oh man i love teams so much i love waiting like 23 minutes for my call

751
01:17:19,340 --> 01:17:28,380
to be placed how is teams like this luke this is the company that bought skype they bought skype

752
01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:35,340
how does it take this long to even try to connect a call it's still not trying to connect the call

753
01:17:36,780 --> 01:17:41,340
this is the most disastrous product launch since the cyber truck or announcement rather

754
01:17:41,340 --> 01:17:52,300
oh there we go uh but hello sir can is this working i have no audio this is why we need

755
01:17:52,300 --> 01:17:57,500
trump phone what even exactly the trump phone t1 wouldn't have this problem

756
01:17:57,980 --> 01:17:58,480
um

757
01:18:01,580 --> 01:18:06,220
there we go sorry for the ptsd everyone who uses teams at work

758
01:18:13,580 --> 01:18:20,540
oh boy why is it randomly louder sometimes did you hear it was or ran

759
01:18:21,580 --> 01:18:26,700
it's i should i hear it i have heard it the whole time what is it doing i hate teams

760
01:18:26,700 --> 01:18:33,580
there's a reason why the software dev teams are still on i couldn't find a replacement

761
01:18:35,180 --> 01:18:41,820
okay well all right all right all right all right well okay i'm i don't know if it yellows

762
01:18:41,820 --> 01:18:46,780
so probably not but who knows some people are saying they're not seeing the sign-up portion

763
01:18:46,780 --> 01:18:51,100
of the forum to be clear it should be right there at the bottom in the white box if you're not seeing

764
01:18:51,100 --> 01:19:00,220
it pause your ad blocker please oh hey got him um what up what was i supposed to be talking about

765
01:19:00,220 --> 01:19:04,700
oh right right right people had some questions about it uh one of the no sorry somebody misinterred

766
01:19:04,700 --> 01:19:11,660
to me i did not say teams devs are still in slack i'm saying our devs are still our dev team thanks

767
01:19:11,660 --> 01:19:16,700
um there there was one other thing i wanted to talk about real quick one of the big issues that

768
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:22,220
delayed the development of this was the uh durability of the plastic so there there are

769
01:19:22,220 --> 01:19:28,860
lots of different transparent plastics so anyone in chat who is um sharing their wisdom about the

770
01:19:28,860 --> 01:19:35,580
characteristics of transparent plastics can just not um because there are many different plastics

771
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:43,340
that can be transparent and they have vastly different characteristics so what now plastic

772
01:19:43,340 --> 01:19:49,100
knowers pretty much actually though pretty much yeah what up better not to make assumptions um

773
01:19:50,220 --> 01:19:53,820
and one of the big one of the big issues that we were running into in the development of this

774
01:19:53,820 --> 01:20:00,460
was getting something that met the durability expectations of our LTT screwdriver uh customers

775
01:20:01,260 --> 01:20:08,300
another major one was down to the quality of the of the plastic flow in the mold and we don't

776
01:20:08,380 --> 01:20:13,740
really have the tightest camera angle on me here but we had this like these kinds of seams

777
01:20:13,740 --> 01:20:19,020
that were forming as the as the plastic made it so the molten plastic made its way through the mold

778
01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:22,700
and then it would kind of like flow around a thing and then come together oh good it's kyle

779
01:20:22,700 --> 01:20:29,340
thank goodness now i don't have to try to do this myself uh hello mr therat you are live on the wancho

780
01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:37,420
hello let me put you in speaker hello wancho can you hear me uh you're not actually the one who

781
01:20:37,420 --> 01:20:42,780
has to put your phone on speaker for the wancho to hear you but well i need to put my speaker on

782
01:20:42,780 --> 01:20:48,060
so i can hear you right yeah that makes sense perfect uh they want to know if the if the plastic

783
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:55,020
will yellow why does god they're eventually in our testing north okay and what did we do to test

784
01:20:55,020 --> 01:21:02,620
that it's the same plastic that nel gene bottles are made got it okay wait interesting we're saying

785
01:21:02,620 --> 01:21:12,540
that publicly are we allowed to say that publicly no what are you there um okay bye i'm yeah i'm my

786
01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:22,060
receptionist charitable because i moved away from our router okay uh wow okay cool um okay um thank you

787
01:21:22,060 --> 01:21:29,260
kyle what wait are we are sorry i might have misheard you are we allowed to say that it's

788
01:21:29,260 --> 01:21:40,060
the same plastic as the bottles it's it's made it's so the the plastic that's made from is triton

789
01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:45,020
okay triton is a similar plastic that is used in nel gene i don't know if i i got cut off i got

790
01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:50,940
misheard but at least that's an our understanding i don't think that's okay nel gene explains that

791
01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:57,420
on the website okay okay thank you that's very helpful um okay and any other characteristics i

792
01:21:57,420 --> 01:22:01,900
can share with the people so we we believe it is non-yellowing now gene does say that they use

793
01:22:01,900 --> 01:22:08,060
triton okay they say they use triton renew yeah yeah it's it's it i'm not saying anything that's

794
01:22:08,060 --> 01:22:15,500
like super secret right i'm just making sure i i do you never you never know okay come come on man

795
01:22:15,500 --> 01:22:21,420
tell me that you've never encountered a company being kg about the materials they use like okay that

796
01:22:21,420 --> 01:22:26,700
you know what that is fair that is fair all right okay all right all right okay um okay any other

797
01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:33,260
cool stuff that we can say about it it's stronger than triax our previous plastic okay

798
01:22:35,980 --> 01:22:39,740
all right pain to it's a pain to injection mold yeah i took so long

799
01:22:40,940 --> 01:22:47,820
yeah another three-year screwdriver project tell me about it what's the next three-year

800
01:22:47,820 --> 01:22:51,260
screwdriver project i don't want to i don't want to think about that right now all right

801
01:22:51,260 --> 01:22:56,620
i want to get it to that doubt all right good chat thanks kyle appreciate you okay bye have a good

802
01:22:56,620 --> 01:23:04,460
again man he was really transparent about that press the thing you gotta do it okay press the

803
01:23:04,460 --> 01:23:12,380
thing there you go sorry job i don't feel good now there's only one way to find out for sure

804
01:23:13,340 --> 01:23:20,060
all right of course i need to use the lines to bash things on the table one more table

805
01:23:22,220 --> 01:23:26,940
wow it's covered in skins now yeah not bad is there anything

806
01:23:31,420 --> 01:23:36,140
the bits came loose i mean that kind of makes sense all right what else we got

807
01:23:36,380 --> 01:23:43,900
uh we have oh we have any pack of individual magnetic cable management components for 14.99

808
01:23:44,460 --> 01:23:48,780
and then we have the oh the precision screwdriver bundle thing apparently they've updated the pricing

809
01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:57,340
and the last thing that we have for a wancho deal is the pet cave is back oh pricing reboot

810
01:23:57,340 --> 01:24:01,180
retro monitor pet caves are available with a wancho special price for a limited time only

811
01:24:01,180 --> 01:24:08,220
so you guys can go check those out these are so cute agreed my cats actually legitimately love

812
01:24:08,220 --> 01:24:13,980
theirs these are like one of our best reviewed products ever it's just like five star five star

813
01:24:13,980 --> 01:24:17,660
five star four star five five five five five five four five five cute someone included a picture

814
01:24:17,660 --> 01:24:24,220
of their pet yeah right surprisingly few people use the photo upload feature of our review function

815
01:24:24,220 --> 01:24:31,580
yep it's like it's an awesome awesome feature and i'm shocked at how few people use it that's

816
01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:39,100
flipping awesome you love to see it this is one that i do think gets a greater proportion of photos

817
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:44,380
uploaded though just because that makes sense like if we find even one more that'll be more than

818
01:24:44,380 --> 01:24:50,380
people normally i never see photos yeah is that is it only the one i could have sworn there was

819
01:24:50,380 --> 01:24:55,500
another person who uploaded a photo do they like expire or something i don't think so i don't know

820
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:59,740
oh anyway all right cool all right what else are we supposed to be talking about here now

821
01:24:59,740 --> 01:25:05,820
what a merch message uh sure yeah hit me down hey guys can you comment on what's happening in greece

822
01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:13,180
a new anti piracy law that finds anyone watching pirated content 750 euros the base monthly income

823
01:25:13,180 --> 01:25:19,100
here other than using a vpn what can we do what seriously how did i not hear about that how does it

824
01:25:19,100 --> 01:25:28,540
even work how exactly how does it uh what grease anti might not be true maybe you heard of it two

825
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:40,620
months ago greece strengthens it's oh no he's using the ai overview uh no no no no no no no no

826
01:25:40,620 --> 01:25:46,220
time for us to turn the wen show into ai slop let's go my goodness let's go i'm here for it

827
01:25:47,100 --> 01:25:55,340
i'm not all right am i am i even real look at this hair it doesn't even look real so yeah it's

828
01:25:57,100 --> 01:26:02,540
it sounds like it's a thing as far as i can tell i'm not finding like a lot of

829
01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:12,860
super official stuff so they introduce a framework to find ip pirate tv

830
01:26:13,580 --> 01:26:19,740
like like the user stuff it seems to be more like um like streaming like if you start a

831
01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:26,780
streaming pirate service uh or watch it yeah finding the users is a new step that i don't

832
01:26:26,780 --> 01:26:33,340
think i have seen yet very interesting from any other government going after the administrators

833
01:26:33,340 --> 01:26:39,260
of these pirate um like streaming services yeah that we've seen before uh there was a really

834
01:26:39,260 --> 01:26:44,540
interesting case i was reading about recently where um i think it was a couple of americans

835
01:26:44,540 --> 01:26:50,860
were we're just like running a like pirate streaming service out of like a few locations

836
01:26:50,860 --> 01:26:58,620
including like having racks in their house and stuff like that okay um don't do that i mean yeah

837
01:26:58,620 --> 01:27:07,900
you know try to try to at least have some possible denial yeah we're have a really ready to go

838
01:27:07,900 --> 01:27:12,700
sprinkler system actually that won't do it finding the user is a heck of a step because that

839
01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:19,020
that puts the onus on the user to determine whether they are subscribing to a legitimate

840
01:27:19,020 --> 01:27:27,180
service or not and i could actually see a lot of users quite frankly no offense uh not being

841
01:27:27,180 --> 01:27:32,940
sophisticated enough to tell the difference between a real you know legit streaming service

842
01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:39,260
and a very legit looking pirate streaming service which is a thing now like how would they necessarily

843
01:27:39,260 --> 01:27:46,620
know i like this good possible tonight ability i know i'm seared you have known no i'm actually

844
01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:51,740
serious though like how would i know bill's streaming service is not licensing especially if

845
01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:57,020
they like charge you which is possible which and people okay like let's make this very clear

846
01:27:57,020 --> 01:28:02,620
a lot of these users who could be fined theoretically i mean we're obviously just finding out about

847
01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:07,020
right now yeah we don't know all the details i'm not finding amazing sources theoretically

848
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:13,820
these users could conceivably be fined for using a service that as far as they can tell

849
01:28:14,700 --> 01:28:19,660
is legit because they are paying for it so that that's how a lot of the piracy streaming services

850
01:28:19,660 --> 01:28:27,820
work is they they're not actually they're not actually their users are not necessarily pirates

851
01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:34,300
per se if that makes sense or at least not knowingly but what's appealing about these

852
01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:40,700
services is that they have such a broad content library for one low streaming fee it's almost

853
01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:48,060
like it's almost like we solved you know content piracy not that long ago with just the one low

854
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:52,700
monthly fee and it kind of including everything that you wanted to watch remember that there was a

855
01:28:52,700 --> 01:29:04,780
there was a thing um what was it fen nicks new new flicks fen licks um flixon net box i can't

856
01:29:04,780 --> 01:29:13,740
remember what i i don't think it's gonna come to me net ticket but um but that's that's what i

857
01:29:13,740 --> 01:29:18,300
would at least i would imagine that's what a lot of these users would think that they're signing

858
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:24,300
up for is just like oh finally someone who's not going to gouge me but if they 750 euros as a fine

859
01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:31,500
that is that is considerable like i could even i could even see having like a minor infraction

860
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:37,420
fine like a you know like a 30 dollar ticket or something like that for you know hey you know

861
01:29:37,420 --> 01:29:41,900
don't don't do that or whatever because you're we're talking about individual users right we're

862
01:29:41,980 --> 01:29:49,180
not talking about commercial entities 750 euro is a flipping ton of money massive

863
01:29:50,700 --> 01:29:56,700
pretty crushing especially in the context of and i don't i haven't validated the you know the

864
01:29:56,700 --> 01:30:00,460
typical income in Greece or whatever i don't actually know if that's the case but but assuming

865
01:30:00,460 --> 01:30:04,940
it's true for now assuming that's true that is very crushing i mean that that's that's like that's

866
01:30:04,940 --> 01:30:10,220
like finding what like probably somewhere in the neighborhood of like four thousand forty five hundred

867
01:30:10,220 --> 01:30:15,260
Canadian dollars or something like that like i think that i think median income is around 4500

868
01:30:15,260 --> 01:30:23,580
CAD right now per month yeah after tax uh no i think that's pre-tax yeah okay but then if the fine

869
01:30:24,860 --> 01:30:29,180
the fines after tax i don't yeah that i don't know we don't have all the details for what it would

870
01:30:29,180 --> 01:30:36,940
have to be though that's wild man man how awesome would that be if like fines were tax deductible

871
01:30:37,580 --> 01:30:43,020
i'm sure if you're a big enough corporation you can figure out the the accounting map to make

872
01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:47,260
that work but i i don't think as an individual you get away with it yeah

873
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:52,060
um gross

874
01:30:55,180 --> 01:31:01,180
okay what else we got i've got some more topics sorry i was fixing a problem here no not more

875
01:31:01,180 --> 01:31:04,940
topics there's another thing in there i don't remember what it was because my my computer's

876
01:31:04,940 --> 01:31:09,100
being annoying right now but i'm fixing it okay you can show us your multi monitor setups for a

877
01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:15,100
chance to win a new LG smart monitor swing there's a pinned post on the subreddit if you guys uh go

878
01:31:15,100 --> 01:31:23,180
check that out um submit your janky weird setups or if you want to go that extra mile tell us how

879
01:31:23,180 --> 01:31:29,020
you'd use the LG smart monitor swing to take your setup to the next level you can learn more about

880
01:31:29,020 --> 01:31:39,420
the LG smart monitor swing here yep that's a smart monitor swing all right look at it go

881
01:31:42,220 --> 01:31:47,340
that's a lot of degrees whoa it can go the other way oh cable management inside

882
01:31:47,340 --> 01:31:51,740
oh it's kind of nice cool all right and then is there one last thing here

883
01:31:51,740 --> 01:32:01,340
uh Floatplane so yeah handsome oh you got it seven foot four inches wait i think you gotta be

884
01:32:01,340 --> 01:32:08,060
this actually says seven inches four so um those are two measurements you're gonna be more passionate

885
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:15,580
when you're saying this okay i'll get better i'll get better handsome seven inches four jacked rich

886
01:32:15,980 --> 01:32:22,460
damn these are only some words used to describe sammy our video production specialist who focuses

887
01:32:22,460 --> 01:32:31,260
on our social media and Floatplane exclusives and he just released his meet the team what Linus

888
01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:33,900
don't leak i said this please

889
01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:42,460
wait what am i looking at here oh yeah here it is meet the team sammy you

890
01:32:42,620 --> 01:32:49,820
uh all right what uh what else is there to say here um there's also one of the funniest

891
01:32:49,820 --> 01:32:55,340
moments of why is when late i've watched like three times also uploaded as a Floatplane clip

892
01:32:55,340 --> 01:32:59,340
watch here for as long as you want what do you mean watch here for as long as you want

893
01:33:00,300 --> 01:33:05,900
okay uh Dan do i have audio ready when you are okay oh wait hold on

894
01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:11,580
clearly whoever was on this account watched it as well oh wait well where where am i supposed to

895
01:33:11,580 --> 01:33:15,980
go i don't know i'm assuming the beginning watch here for as long as you want okay

896
01:33:17,420 --> 01:33:19,020
hold on hold on okay i can't hear Dan

897
01:33:22,780 --> 01:33:23,580
okay hold on hold on

898
01:33:36,460 --> 01:33:39,820
so luke thought he beat me but he was parked illegally

899
01:33:42,460 --> 01:33:43,340
watch you close

900
01:33:47,500 --> 01:33:53,580
don't die dude you're because i jumped to the stairs dude you're booking it oh i was flying

901
01:33:53,580 --> 01:33:58,060
yeah you're booking it i love how it takes so long for the exposure to change that i'm just like

902
01:33:58,060 --> 01:34:08,540
at the end oh my god wait where are you going oh i remember this yeah

903
01:34:12,140 --> 01:34:14,540
that's

904
01:34:18,300 --> 01:34:21,580
so i'm showing off parking spot number two that i shouldn't park

905
01:34:25,660 --> 01:34:32,860
jesus christ why'd you at wan you'd be at wan you i knew you i knew we had no spots available

906
01:34:33,820 --> 01:34:39,660
wait where's he he's going now where's he think he's going i was i was calculating

907
01:34:42,460 --> 01:34:49,340
you're trying to run me over in reverse no no no no i was i was i was trying to see if i could

908
01:34:49,340 --> 01:34:57,900
make this you guys ended up spotting it i knew i took the last spot you're just ripping it

909
01:34:57,900 --> 01:35:03,580
oh do you think he could have tried to get in here only he can he could have maybe gotten in

910
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:09,900
but he wouldn't have been able to get out so i had the same yep yeah i'm telling him i'm winning

911
01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:15,340
why is wan late because he was parked in the henny cab stop oh you can't do that you can't do that

912
01:35:15,340 --> 01:35:24,540
you can't do that we're so i think luke is the main wan late he has 14 seconds to be here

913
01:35:24,540 --> 01:35:32,860
yeah i had to park him did we have you running toward the building

914
01:35:40,460 --> 01:35:45,020
you can't do that i can't do what park in the handicap spot oh i know i didn't

915
01:35:46,860 --> 01:35:52,620
it's only been a handicap spot since we moved into this building almost 11 years ago i haven't

916
01:35:52,620 --> 01:36:00,620
worked out of this building for so long i think i haven't actually worked out of this building

917
01:36:00,620 --> 01:36:11,020
since like 2018 that's hilarious do you think about it i love it anyway um meet our most handsome

918
01:36:11,020 --> 01:36:17,020
hardworking high iq charitable chivalrous ambitious dripped out skibbity employee at LMG.gg

919
01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:22,140
slash Floatplane he once lent me one of his seven lambos when i was stranded super chill

920
01:36:22,140 --> 01:36:27,580
guy what a chill guy um all right thank you for that i don't know if him repeatedly saying don't

921
01:36:27,580 --> 01:36:33,580
leak it is him like trying to get us to leak it or a hundred percent so are we supposed to leak it

922
01:36:33,580 --> 01:36:41,980
then leak what i said all the stuff that he wrote no like the video that you wrote oh no not that

923
01:36:42,220 --> 01:36:47,820
the meet sammy one oh no no we can let them watch that okay yeah the people can watch it's good

924
01:36:49,340 --> 01:36:52,540
of course it is cold and interviews him and honestly i think he did a great job really

925
01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:56,940
yeah oh that's cool i haven't watched it yet yep all right what do you want to talk about next

926
01:36:58,380 --> 01:37:05,340
uh should we talk about um Floatplane doing a thing yeah sure let's do it where's that topics

927
01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:13,100
there any yeah just uh talk about it i guess um yeah so Floatplane did a thing this is something

928
01:37:13,100 --> 01:37:19,900
that had been like very minorly leaked in the past not a lot but some people kind of picked up

929
01:37:19,900 --> 01:37:25,900
we've also been teasing it a lot like if you guys have seen luke like like show me something on his

930
01:37:25,900 --> 01:37:31,340
phone but be like oh we can't tell the people about it for pretty much the last like six months

931
01:37:31,340 --> 01:37:37,580
almost it's usually that it's usually something to do with uh this this deal that's been ongoing in

932
01:37:37,580 --> 01:37:43,500
the background for for quite some time can i flip over to your screen yeah so sauceplus.com

933
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:50,060
you might recognize the name sort of because it's uh very close to open sauce so we're working with

934
01:37:50,060 --> 01:37:56,140
open sauce uh you might know william osmond's convention it's a company which is why i'm

935
01:37:56,140 --> 01:38:00,780
referring to it as open sauce because we're working with a variety of people um and they have

936
01:38:01,420 --> 01:38:06,140
some other creators that they're bringing on you might recognize this guy he has a channel

937
01:38:06,140 --> 01:38:12,860
on the platform as well and i believe there's more um creators coming uh in the future um

938
01:38:12,860 --> 01:38:18,380
and one of the big things that they're pushing is some exclusive shows including scare the coyote

939
01:38:18,380 --> 01:38:27,260
which i watched and it's very fun it's relatively similar to another show that i like a lot so it

940
01:38:27,260 --> 01:38:33,020
was kind of a shoe in for me enjoying it but yeah very cool especially if you're interested in

941
01:38:33,020 --> 01:38:41,340
into the the creators that are on it and if you want a um if you want to know more about it on

942
01:38:41,340 --> 01:38:52,060
william osmond's youtube channel there is i probably could have prepped this part but yeah

943
01:38:52,060 --> 01:38:57,020
there's this video we made a show scare the coyote episode one and you can go check that out and

944
01:38:57,020 --> 01:39:04,620
he'll talk more about it yeah um we've got a question from nokey yes why not just integrate

945
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:10,220
this into Floatplane as a channel like many other channels have that was uh an option we

946
01:39:10,220 --> 01:39:16,220
offered that uh they wanted their own thing they have some of their own ideas of of how they want

947
01:39:16,220 --> 01:39:22,300
to kind of take stuff and um how they want to work with different creators it is a uh one fee

948
01:39:22,300 --> 01:39:28,620
for the whole platform model which is interesting how they end up kind of divvying that up we were

949
01:39:28,620 --> 01:39:33,980
on the tech side of things we are we are hosting the service we we develop the service you will

950
01:39:33,980 --> 01:39:39,820
notice even the front page is like Floatplane related i think there's looks a little better

951
01:39:39,820 --> 01:39:47,580
than ours but oh yeah it's it's it's related and if you go into the service the service looks

952
01:39:47,660 --> 01:39:53,980
quite similar um but but we're we're hosting the things um so what they actually do with it

953
01:39:53,980 --> 01:39:59,100
later on is is kind of up to them i don't want to say too many of the ideas that they've brought

954
01:39:59,100 --> 01:40:03,820
up because yeah you never know what they'll ran into those problems before because you might

955
01:40:03,820 --> 01:40:07,820
change your mind or do things slightly differently so i'm not trying to commit them to anything

956
01:40:07,820 --> 01:40:12,700
but it's a it's a little bit of a different business model and um they are more the ones

957
01:40:12,700 --> 01:40:19,020
that are handling things like creator recruitment or or whatever else so um yeah we've had on our end

958
01:40:19,020 --> 01:40:23,580
i can talk about our end it's been going pretty well so far we had one bit of a kerfuffle which

959
01:40:23,580 --> 01:40:28,540
we've ran into way in the past but it's been a really long time email is hard email is really

960
01:40:28,540 --> 01:40:35,740
hard like you you take email for granted but like as far as i can tell it's just like canada post

961
01:40:36,700 --> 01:40:38,940
just like canada post sometimes it's just on strike

962
01:40:41,020 --> 01:40:47,180
yeah so we had i think it was yeah it was google uh got upset about you know some new domain

963
01:40:47,820 --> 01:40:55,340
blasting out a crazy amount of emails um so we we sorry emails stopped blasting we had a temporary

964
01:40:55,340 --> 01:41:02,220
fix for that and then a more permanent one is is coming in there luckily people seem to be reacting

965
01:41:02,300 --> 01:41:08,140
pretty quickly i think largely because the emails are pretty obviously not spam because next to

966
01:41:08,140 --> 01:41:15,740
everything so far is just you know hey verification link hey payment confirmation just stuff like

967
01:41:15,740 --> 01:41:23,500
that so it's it's pretty simple um but yeah it's going well so far excited to see the the future

968
01:41:23,500 --> 01:41:29,660
of it um a lot of the work that was done on this like one of the honestly one of the only reasons

969
01:41:29,660 --> 01:41:34,780
why we were i can't even say one of the only reasons why we were interested one of the only

970
01:41:34,780 --> 01:41:41,500
reasons why we were able to be completely honest yeah is because the vast i'm talking over 90 percent

971
01:41:41,500 --> 01:41:46,460
of the work that was done on this is work that benefited flow plane like there was things that

972
01:41:46,460 --> 01:41:50,940
benefited the stability we touched server architecture we touched like people one of the

973
01:41:50,940 --> 01:41:57,100
leaks as to like yeah we've been working on a thing is the the april fools thing that flow plane did

974
01:41:57,100 --> 01:42:01,020
where and you go to my screen and we we left it up because people like it so much we'll probably

975
01:42:01,020 --> 01:42:05,980
move these into user settings at a certain point but you can change the appearance wow

976
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:13,500
i wonder why we may have needed a really simple and easy tool for managing reskins

977
01:42:14,540 --> 01:42:21,020
and and changing appearance of things so like nice there are things that were done

978
01:42:21,020 --> 01:42:25,980
where the the thought process for like jaden or peter or or or jonathan or aj whoever else

979
01:42:25,980 --> 01:42:34,220
was working on this um largely went like okay how do we adapt and build this thing so that it's

980
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:39,820
going to benefit us and them and make it so that when we maintain this thing in the future it's

981
01:42:39,820 --> 01:42:45,100
maintaining one thing pushing everything that benefits two things so like okay say we push an

982
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:50,380
update to the player we want to make sure that that update to the player that happens updates

983
01:42:50,380 --> 01:42:55,740
both sides yeah so like it isn't a completely copy and paste of all the maintenance that we

984
01:42:55,740 --> 01:43:00,300
need to do um it's not a complete copy paste at all there's a bunch of little changes here there

985
01:43:00,300 --> 01:43:05,340
but like even even little things like they're their buttons work slightly differently like their home

986
01:43:05,340 --> 01:43:09,100
button works slightly differently than our home button oh i thought you were going to show me

987
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:14,860
okay uh i'm not logged into the cell space on this one but um and the reasoning why is if you if you

988
01:43:14,860 --> 01:43:22,460
think about the flow there's is one platform all creators uh for one subscription ours is individual

989
01:43:22,460 --> 01:43:30,460
subscriptions per creator yeah so their home button they want to see all the creators right that makes

990
01:43:30,460 --> 01:43:34,620
way more sense our home button bringing you to all the creators on the platform would be silly yeah

991
01:43:35,260 --> 01:43:41,180
so jaden built the thing where it's like not super annoying to like maintain that moving forward

992
01:43:41,260 --> 01:43:45,900
which was smart so we didn't just go in and just change the links we built a tool that makes it

993
01:43:45,900 --> 01:43:49,260
easier to maintain it makes it that if we wanted to change things or experiment things with ever

994
01:43:49,260 --> 01:43:53,420
it's like scalable and blah blah blah blah like it's smart i remember telling ncix back when they

995
01:43:53,420 --> 01:44:02,860
hard forked ncix.com and ncix us.com um that what a disaster that was going to be and even though i

996
01:44:02,860 --> 01:44:09,820
had like no background in development or whatever it was amazing how right i ended up being um like

997
01:44:09,820 --> 01:44:16,620
by a year in it was just like catastrophic how far behind the u.s. site had fallen in terms of

998
01:44:16,620 --> 01:44:23,340
like features and implementation and appearance even yeah um unique username says now it's Linus

999
01:44:23,340 --> 01:44:30,220
swallowing yons all the time during this show that's rare it's usually luke um it was it's been a

1000
01:44:30,220 --> 01:44:38,540
very long week it's been a very challenging week i'm sure my numbers are slightly off um but when

1001
01:44:38,540 --> 01:44:45,660
i woke up yesterday not today i i had roughly calculated that i was from sunday morning 11

1002
01:44:45,660 --> 01:44:55,660
hours of sleep in nice on a thursday nice because we were launching this new platform

1003
01:44:55,660 --> 01:45:02,540
and scrapyard warzing at the same time along with like other stuff going on in my like personal

1004
01:45:02,540 --> 01:45:09,340
life and whatnot so it was uh it was wild um but it was a good time launch went pretty smooth you

1005
01:45:09,340 --> 01:45:13,260
know you always expect a couple bumps here or there and we had a couple bumps here and there but it

1006
01:45:13,260 --> 01:45:17,820
seemed to mostly be okay the email one was the most major one there were some other smaller ones but

1007
01:45:17,820 --> 01:45:23,420
they were dealt with pretty quickly um and people seem pretty happy so far which is cool another thing

1008
01:45:23,420 --> 01:45:31,820
that's cool about this is just like um you know full plane bit off a lot when it first started we

1009
01:45:31,820 --> 01:45:35,660
committed to a lot of different features and stuff so a lot of our time has gone into just

1010
01:45:35,660 --> 01:45:42,460
keeping up with that already um but as the internet does you you want to grow and improve over time

1011
01:45:43,260 --> 01:45:49,340
so we're hoping that like this helps scale up the the income that full plane effectively has so we

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01:45:49,340 --> 01:45:55,180
can grow the team so we can bring more features to flow plane and also sauce plus because now

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01:45:55,180 --> 01:46:00,220
like if we improve something if we add a new feature to flow plane sauce plus is going to get

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01:46:00,220 --> 01:46:04,300
it if sauce plus wants a new feature and we build that feature for sauce plus flow plane's going to

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01:46:04,300 --> 01:46:08,700
get it say trials for instance sure which is something that we've wanted for a long time

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01:46:09,340 --> 01:46:13,340
there's i mean since day one there's many documents of things i can list out that we've

1017
01:46:13,340 --> 01:46:19,500
wanted for a long time yeah um but like it would also benefit them um so if we can build it now and

1018
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:24,940
it benefits both and and you know it's just it's standard business stuff but it's exciting for me

1019
01:46:24,940 --> 01:46:29,660
because there's so many different things like we want to our casting is like a problem uh

1020
01:46:29,740 --> 01:46:37,020
we don't have tv apps which those things go hand in hand because like a lot of places kind of like

1021
01:46:37,020 --> 01:46:42,140
cheat in how they handle casting right uh because they don't actually handle casting they just pass

1022
01:46:42,140 --> 01:46:50,620
the request to an app that's on the tv because casting even even for like google if i remember

1023
01:46:50,620 --> 01:46:54,460
correctly google doesn't even use chromecast the way that like chromecast is originally supposed

1024
01:46:54,460 --> 01:46:59,580
to be used they just pass the request to a youtube app on the tv which makes way more sense yeah

1025
01:46:59,660 --> 01:47:05,340
so like ideally we want to have tv apps so that we can do that because most of the pure casting

1026
01:47:05,340 --> 01:47:10,940
solutions that i found are a little bit clunky and ours is pretty notably clunky um so yeah we

1027
01:47:10,940 --> 01:47:15,260
want to invest some time into a tv app we want to do lots of other things down the line trust me

1028
01:47:15,260 --> 01:47:23,580
there's there's many features we would love to add um but uh the spice has got to flow the spice

1029
01:47:23,580 --> 01:47:30,460
is kind of and this is a way for us to scale which is super cool i'm really excited you know what

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my fellow WAN shonians we could do a merge messages or some more topics you get to pick

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you want a six or a seven we do another merge message after the other announcements yeah okay

1071
01:51:24,060 --> 01:51:31,180
we did um why don't we talk about zip tie tuning yeah zip tie tuning is a thing now normally

1072
01:51:31,180 --> 01:51:35,340
policy these days because i don't know i guess we're corporate now or whatever

1073
01:51:35,340 --> 01:51:41,180
and there are reasons for it thank you for that luke that's really really helpful when we're trying

1074
01:51:41,180 --> 01:51:46,220
to explain you know why we have the policies that we do and anyway just add it to the pile of spit

1075
01:51:48,220 --> 01:51:53,580
normally policies we don't really talk about employee departures so close so close but i am

1076
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going to make a bit of an exception here and just beg for forgiveness later

1077
01:51:57,260 --> 01:52:01,180
alex and andy have launched their new automotive channel zip tie tuning so i just wanted to give

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a shout out and make sure everyone takes a minute of their time maybe not a full minute like you

1079
01:52:05,340 --> 01:52:09,980
should probably get good if it takes you a full minute to do this um a moment of their time to go

1080
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check out zip tie tuning on youtube we are extremely grateful for everything that they've

1081
01:52:14,780 --> 01:52:18,540
done and everything they've meant to our team over the years uh we're confident that they're

1082
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:25,580
going to crush it and of course you guys are going to be a key part of that so um making a

1083
01:52:25,580 --> 01:52:34,140
judgment call here no one's called me yet there we go zip tie tuning is a thing i fell

1084
01:52:34,140 --> 01:52:39,340
into their channel in under a minute so uh way to go gamer i'm pretty good all right what else

1085
01:52:39,340 --> 01:52:46,220
we got for today uh start minimizing some of these things i have not been minimizing stuff i have

1086
01:52:46,220 --> 01:52:51,100
not been doing that wow that's my fault novice oh you didn't minimize team viewer way to go

1087
01:52:52,060 --> 01:52:58,780
he lies i don't have to minimize team viewer because i'm deleting it boom you know we pay for

1088
01:52:58,780 --> 01:53:06,380
an alternative go for it uh okay uh GPU trends study 2025 from liquid web liquid web has published

1089
01:53:06,380 --> 01:53:13,340
a white paper with some interesting statistics on GPU's 57 percent of gamers have been prevented

1090
01:53:13,340 --> 01:53:18,700
from buying a new GPU due to price hikes or scalping with another 43 percent delaying or

1091
01:53:18,700 --> 01:53:25,820
canceling a GPU upgrade due to other financial obligations 73 percent of gamers would buy

1092
01:53:25,820 --> 01:53:34,860
NVIDIA if brands performed equally 64 percent of gamers are currently using an NVIDIA brand GPU i

1093
01:53:34,860 --> 01:53:39,100
mean i guess if we count integrated graphics it sounds like they're not talking specifically

1094
01:53:39,100 --> 01:53:46,140
about discrete i think that stat is maybe a little useless that's pretty misleading yeah

1095
01:53:46,140 --> 01:53:52,060
42 that what that happens a lot with these types of studies 42 percent of gamers uh have a maximum

1096
01:53:52,060 --> 01:53:59,180
GPU budget of under 500 i should hope so me too i mean over 500 dollars used to mean you were like

1097
01:53:59,180 --> 01:54:05,020
a mega baller spending mega cash on your gaming pc i'm surprised it's 42 percent i would expect a lot

1098
01:54:05,020 --> 01:54:09,820
higher than that to be honest that makes me feel like this might be a skewed demographic even dude

1099
01:54:09,820 --> 01:54:14,860
we have uh we have how many people have over 500 GPU i think it's a combination of things i think

1100
01:54:14,940 --> 01:54:20,700
it's a combination of three things i think it's really effective GPU marketing i think it's i think

1101
01:54:20,700 --> 01:54:28,460
it's the general wisdom being that you just dump you know most of your budget into your GPU to get

1102
01:54:28,460 --> 01:54:34,620
the the most gaming performance and uh i forget what my third factor was but i think i think

1103
01:54:34,620 --> 01:54:41,260
basically it's a combination of things that have led people to purchase more and more and more expensive

1104
01:54:41,260 --> 01:54:48,540
GPU's and we have a video coming very soon um this one i worked with uh i think yeah jordan

1105
01:54:48,540 --> 01:54:53,500
i worked with jordan on this one where we investigated bottlenecks again which obviously

1106
01:54:53,500 --> 01:54:57,020
something we've talked about on the channel before me makes 6000 videos eventually end up

1107
01:54:57,020 --> 01:55:07,180
retreading some ground but um in the context of the 5090 and elijah's most average pc so we took

1108
01:55:07,180 --> 01:55:13,660
the most average pc which had a 30 60 in it in its most average configuration and i think it was

1109
01:55:13,660 --> 01:55:19,900
like a i want to say like a 12 100 1200 400 i can't remember it had some six core processor in it

1110
01:55:19,900 --> 01:55:28,060
and we upgraded it from a 30 60 all the way to a 50 90 and evaluated how that impacted the

1111
01:55:28,060 --> 01:55:34,860
performance at 1080p and at 4k now as you can probably imagine you know performance went up a lot

1112
01:55:35,820 --> 01:55:41,660
but that's uh you know 20 realistically by the time you get you know an oc one with three

1113
01:55:41,660 --> 01:55:47,820
four fans or whatever on it you were talking like 2500 us dollars if you're lucky right so

1114
01:55:48,780 --> 01:55:56,780
hold on a second with this very average pc how much of that performance jump could i get

1115
01:55:56,780 --> 01:56:06,780
spending like 800 bucks on like a um a Radeon 90 70 or 90 70 xt i think this is cool it echoes the

1116
01:56:06,780 --> 01:56:10,620
conversation we had about the the price predictor thing we were talking about a while ago where

1117
01:56:10,620 --> 01:56:15,820
like you need to consider the price of the whole system and so you know it looks like

1118
01:56:17,580 --> 01:56:25,820
58 percent of gamers have a maximum GPU budget that's over 500 but unless 58 percent of gamers

1119
01:56:25,820 --> 01:56:32,860
have honestly a pretty banging system maybe they shouldn't maybe we've just all been kind of

1120
01:56:33,580 --> 01:56:39,180
suckered in by the conventional wisdom here oh right i remember the third thing right so the

1121
01:56:39,180 --> 01:56:44,860
the three things i meant to say was GPU marketing um conventional wisdom and the fact that like GPU

1122
01:56:44,860 --> 01:56:48,940
really happened i mean we've talked about it extensively in scrapyard wars yeah where we

1123
01:56:48,940 --> 01:56:53,740
would put like 80 percent of our budget into a GPU and then put together whatever craptastic system

1124
01:56:53,740 --> 01:56:59,340
we possibly could just to get the thing running and i think now that GPU's have kind of

1125
01:56:59,980 --> 01:57:05,180
slow slowed down a little bit in terms of how much they're improving gen over gen i think

1126
01:57:05,180 --> 01:57:10,220
CPU's might have kind of like caught up a little bit to the point where um

1127
01:57:11,980 --> 01:57:17,820
you don't necessarily need the latest GPU to get the best gaming experience especially if you're

1128
01:57:17,820 --> 01:57:24,140
still gaming at 1080p which as we saw when we did our steam most average pc video most people

1129
01:57:24,140 --> 01:57:31,740
still are and even if you're not i i think the allure of 4k doesn't actually seem in the in the

1130
01:57:31,740 --> 01:57:38,860
like tv space and stuff absolutely on the desktop monitor for me prime resolution is 1440 and has

1131
01:57:38,860 --> 01:57:43,340
been for a long time and like i feel like it kind of will be for a while i'm moving forward still

1132
01:57:44,060 --> 01:57:52,620
yeah last year for scrapyards yeah yeah you did elijah we both did i bought in i bought in it's

1133
01:57:52,620 --> 01:57:58,860
okay it's only if only there was someone who could have told us that what what who's that guy i don't

1134
01:57:58,860 --> 01:58:09,740
know he looks like an idiot though who the f**k is lyanna sabastian uh anything else uh oh wow

1135
01:58:09,740 --> 01:58:15,660
as many as 62 of pc gamers would apparently switch to cloud gaming if latency were eliminated i mean

1136
01:58:15,660 --> 01:58:19,580
i guess yeah that's fair enough if latency were eliminated but that's that's basically like saying

1137
01:58:19,580 --> 01:58:26,860
would you would you switch to would you switch to a uh 3d printed food if the flavor were identical

1138
01:58:26,860 --> 01:58:32,140
to your regular food and the nutrition was perfect it's like well okay yeah sure yeah you can't just

1139
01:58:32,140 --> 01:58:37,980
be like if this hypothetical thing i can't achieve were the case would you use it well yeah i mean

1140
01:58:37,980 --> 01:58:43,820
but latency cannot be eliminated latency can only be reduced surveys are so tough man yeah like

1141
01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:51,020
what about the video encoding this all the time well yeah exactly you watch a train going past a

1142
01:58:51,020 --> 01:58:56,780
forest on youtube and it just turns to blocks i'm gonna have the hyper detailed like speckles

1143
01:58:56,780 --> 01:59:02,940
and stars that so many games are putting in now exactly even mario kart world has tiny little

1144
01:59:02,940 --> 01:59:09,180
particles and pizzazz and sparkles and stuff like that exactly it's not gonna be possible to get rid

1145
01:59:09,180 --> 01:59:15,100
of well i mean not possible is a strong statement i don't know i'm just trying to will the universe

1146
01:59:15,100 --> 01:59:21,740
to make me wrong i love it actually good strategy impossible impossible it's impossible it can't be

1147
01:59:21,740 --> 01:59:28,060
done yeah not even with inside out encoding oh compression rather so excuse me i like the

1148
01:59:28,620 --> 01:59:32,380
demonstration yeah it keeps doing very good wait how'd they do the demo did they do it like this

1149
01:59:32,380 --> 01:59:38,460
no no no uh back and forth it's tip to tip yeah that's right there's four of them i think you were on

1150
01:59:38,460 --> 01:59:44,060
the earlier model that's right sorry yeah not efficiently and then you can adjust for heights

1151
01:59:44,060 --> 01:59:50,060
as well right right right right right right right yeah requires the gimbal oh yeah it was a sorting

1152
01:59:50,140 --> 01:59:59,580
algorithm yeah switch to users report online service bands after using mig flash cartridges

1153
01:59:59,580 --> 02:00:05,500
okay i haven't actually read this yet but um we knew it was my first thing my first thing here is

1154
02:00:07,020 --> 02:00:12,540
what were you thinking being the first one to put a mig flash cartridge into a switch to

1155
02:00:13,820 --> 02:00:19,500
surely you you knew the risk right anyway uh whether you're loading up games you own or games

1156
02:00:19,500 --> 02:00:25,340
you've pirated inserting a mig card into your switch to is going to result in a bad time ever

1157
02:00:25,340 --> 02:00:33,260
code 21 34 4508 will pop up you will be banned from online activity youtuber scattered brain

1158
02:00:33,260 --> 02:00:38,780
received the error message tried to factory reset their switch to and essentially bricked it because

1159
02:00:38,780 --> 02:00:46,220
they are no longer able to sign into a nintendo account mig creators are telling users to be

1160
02:00:46,220 --> 02:00:52,300
extra careful the cartridges product page notes that it serves as a backup and development device

1161
02:00:52,300 --> 02:00:57,580
solely supporting gaming using personal game backups to maintain the mig flash warranty during

1162
02:00:57,580 --> 02:01:03,500
online play it is essential to utilize self-dumped backups with authentic certificate uid and card

1163
02:01:03,500 --> 02:01:13,660
set it now with all of that said our discussion question is has nintendo gone too far i don't

1164
02:01:13,660 --> 02:01:19,340
like the e-waste of this even outside of the like ethical questions of like you should own

1165
02:01:19,340 --> 02:01:25,260
something that you buy which is like a massive important conversation here but just e-wasting

1166
02:01:25,260 --> 02:01:31,340
devices like devices that they made a profit on just throwing that out there nintendo has

1167
02:01:31,340 --> 02:01:36,860
been very upfront about the fact that they are no longer following the console pricing

1168
02:01:37,660 --> 02:01:43,340
sort of paradigm of selling the hardware at a loss and then making it up on the software they

1169
02:01:43,420 --> 02:01:49,420
controllers and stuff they sell the hardware for a profit some of it yeah to your point at a very

1170
02:01:50,140 --> 02:01:55,820
considerable profit and i don't know man this is one of those things where on the one hand

1171
02:01:55,820 --> 02:02:02,060
obviously i understand that companies want to try to mitigate piracy and mitigate the

1172
02:02:03,180 --> 02:02:06,700
you know let's let's put ourselves in their heads for a second right like the the theft of

1173
02:02:06,700 --> 02:02:10,940
their intellectual properties is how a lot of companies perceive this and i think that nintendo

1174
02:02:10,940 --> 02:02:17,660
would absolutely be one of them so i understand the motivation here but the flip side of it is like

1175
02:02:18,780 --> 02:02:25,900
i have such a hard time with companies punishing users for not buying enough of their stuff

1176
02:02:26,860 --> 02:02:30,700
and it's something that has always kind of bothered me about the apple ecosystem it's like

1177
02:02:30,700 --> 02:02:36,060
oh you want battery battery monitoring for your air pods that we could easily implement on Android

1178
02:02:36,060 --> 02:02:42,860
well we don't because i don't know you buy an iphone um and it's like but i already gave you

1179
02:02:42,860 --> 02:02:48,700
i already gave you two hundred and fifty dollars was that not enough i'm i'm sorry you know and

1180
02:02:48,700 --> 02:02:54,220
i love how in this in this you're looking up well that's how that's where apple is interesting

1181
02:02:54,220 --> 02:02:59,900
that that's that's where their own s is oh which is where they're inside oh um

1182
02:03:00,300 --> 02:03:07,660
um and so and so you know for for nintendo here too like especially like to luke's point with

1183
02:03:07,660 --> 02:03:15,420
how expensive the first party accessories are and stuff oh man like i could i could see them i

1184
02:03:15,420 --> 02:03:22,220
could see them you know doing something i don't even know i don't even know what what they would do

1185
02:03:22,220 --> 02:03:33,660
exactly but forever bricking the console i just can't yeah like this is um and and it was pointed

1186
02:03:33,660 --> 02:03:38,620
out actually um in some of the comments on our videos sort of discussing the switch too that

1187
02:03:39,180 --> 02:03:46,540
nintendo is not the first to reserve the right to do this but to my knowledge i don't think

1188
02:03:46,540 --> 02:03:52,380
sony has ever actually bricked a playstation for is that a thing sony i that's what someone said

1189
02:03:52,380 --> 02:03:57,340
in the comments under our videos so make it that what you will john d or something no so

1190
02:03:59,340 --> 02:04:06,460
this is um this is from as far as i know this is new ground that we're treading is it not

1191
02:04:07,580 --> 02:04:15,740
and i i don't i don't like it so okay scrappy dp says they just bricked the console or the software

1192
02:04:15,740 --> 02:04:25,740
not the console but does it i mean i mean but i mean come on what are you buying when you buy a switch

1193
02:04:25,740 --> 02:04:34,780
too bent bob says nintendo has not gone too far in their opinion if the switch to ban was due to

1194
02:04:34,780 --> 02:04:39,180
the console being connected to nintendo servers at the time of using a mig switch cart then this is

1195
02:04:39,180 --> 02:04:43,500
more or less what microsoft and sony have done on prior hardware connected to the internet

1196
02:04:44,140 --> 02:04:49,100
if it's baked into firmware to check if offline it would still be in line with prior consoles if

1197
02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:53,900
you hack or run backups you'll have to be careful and accept the consequences i mean yeah that's um

1198
02:04:54,860 --> 02:05:01,660
that's fair enough do be careful the mig site says it's compatible with switch to you seriously

1199
02:05:01,660 --> 02:05:10,300
still that's insane that's insane wonderful plain shot said it i did respond to them it's not

1200
02:05:10,300 --> 02:05:18,700
technically false i mean yeah just for sure gets you banned well not necessarily for sure but it's

1201
02:05:18,700 --> 02:05:28,140
like that's that's crazy it's like them saying their genitals are compatible with your butt but

1202
02:05:28,140 --> 02:05:37,500
not warning you about like that it might be uncomfortable wow i think i'm gonna move on

1203
02:05:37,740 --> 02:05:40,700
on nexus mods has been sold

1204
02:05:41,820 --> 02:05:50,700
yeah speak your wish

1205
02:06:07,820 --> 02:06:15,100
uh the world's biggest modding site has been sold by founder robin dark one scott after 24 years

1206
02:06:15,100 --> 02:06:23,340
the site was founded in 2001 as tes nexus or tes nexus or the elder scrolls nexus i remember that

1207
02:06:23,340 --> 02:06:30,060
time um the new ownership was initially only known by first names and handles but has now

1208
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:36,380
been revealed to be a company called chosen whose website doesn't reveal much i don't think we have

1209
02:06:36,380 --> 02:06:41,820
it linked but says doesn't reveal much but smells an awful lot like venture capital one of the new

1210
02:06:41,820 --> 02:06:47,820
owners posted an announcement that nexus mods's core model will remain unchanged saying mods will

1211
02:06:47,820 --> 02:06:55,340
always remain free that chosen has no plans to claim ownership of uploaded mods and whoa i mean that

1212
02:06:55,340 --> 02:07:04,140
would be a if you want a pr disaster pull that move um and that lifetime accounts are safe

1213
02:07:05,100 --> 02:07:11,660
a nexus mods spokesman told pc gamer that the new owners are on site with nexus mods team of 40

1214
02:07:11,660 --> 02:07:18,540
people and that the focus is on continuity the new owners have made it clear that additional

1215
02:07:18,540 --> 02:07:24,220
monetization is on the way but that users will likely see less ads and that they'll reveal more

1216
02:07:24,220 --> 02:07:30,860
about themselves when they've earned that right everything else sounded pretty cool but it's not

1217
02:07:30,940 --> 02:07:35,340
about earning the right to reveal more about yourselves it's about being transparent at the

1218
02:07:35,340 --> 02:07:41,340
beginning like this screwdriver yeah coming soon at lttstore.com that was beautiful um thank you

1219
02:07:41,340 --> 02:07:50,540
but yeah figure it out you really did like you uh yeah just like tell people who the heck you are

1220
02:07:50,540 --> 02:07:56,860
that's uh that's it's pretty straightforward at step one uh the less ads thing to me actually does

1221
02:07:56,940 --> 02:08:01,020
kind of make sense a little bit does it though if you think about the people going to a modding

1222
02:08:01,020 --> 02:08:06,300
site what percentage of them have ad blockers how much are you actually making on the ads

1223
02:08:06,300 --> 02:08:10,940
they're probably just looking at it and going like hmm this is just friction for what yep

1224
02:08:11,740 --> 02:08:17,820
might as well find things that make like real money like what though i really don't know because

1225
02:08:17,820 --> 02:08:21,980
that's my concern yes it's not like they would have bought this out of the goodness of their hearts

1226
02:08:21,980 --> 02:08:27,740
yeah i think their model right now is decent you get like better download rates and stuff

1227
02:08:27,740 --> 02:08:32,940
okay um i don't know do you know if collections are locked behind subscriptions Dan i have no idea

1228
02:08:32,940 --> 02:08:37,980
the only thing that i know about it is the download rate limiting yeah i think i think most of the

1229
02:08:37,980 --> 02:08:43,180
mods are like five megs so it doesn't matter they're just like any tweaks a lot of the time

1230
02:08:43,180 --> 02:08:47,660
and then you get the big texture overhauls yeah stuff like that which are mini gigs yeah

1231
02:08:48,380 --> 02:08:53,660
especially if you replace like every texture in a game like i feel like skyrim modding is like

1232
02:08:53,660 --> 02:08:58,620
more impacted by the by the download rate thing oh yeah because you're gonna download 500 i want

1233
02:08:58,620 --> 02:09:03,260
the new ideas though like other than jacking up the price on that like what's what's the new ideas

1234
02:09:03,260 --> 02:09:08,700
i have no i genuinely no idea but they don't they're not adding their oh man the ads are annoying

1235
02:09:10,060 --> 02:09:14,620
there's an ad but look it's actually being hidden partially there's this banner all the way across

1236
02:09:14,620 --> 02:09:21,980
the bottom for oh god icky thing and then there's this other thing that's actually covered wait one

1237
02:09:21,980 --> 02:09:27,340
ad is covering up another ad you can't fully see it because of our box that we're in yeah but but

1238
02:09:27,340 --> 02:09:33,260
this right here is another ad that half of it is covered up by the banner ad at the bottom

1239
02:09:33,900 --> 02:09:39,820
that's wild i would be so pissed if i was the ad in the background yo dog i heard you like ad

1240
02:09:40,060 --> 02:09:45,740
so i put ad in your ad so you can add will you add this all is an ad too i actually thought

1241
02:09:45,740 --> 02:09:50,220
this was just like talking about mods so the entire site right now is this sliver in the middle

1242
02:09:51,660 --> 02:10:00,860
hot take wow yeah is this okay for what you got at an excess mods for free uh i mean yeah sure

1243
02:10:03,340 --> 02:10:07,740
can i get worse than this they have to they have 40 employees seems pretty pretty bad or

1244
02:10:07,740 --> 02:10:11,980
somehow i mean it does seem pretty bad but they all have close buttons on them

1245
02:10:12,780 --> 02:10:19,180
and i just wasn't pressing them so like let's see do they actually close yep and then it's not that

1246
02:10:19,180 --> 02:10:23,900
bad there's another ad yeah but if i scroll down from the big one at the top then there's just this

1247
02:10:23,900 --> 02:10:30,620
one which i can also close was that one behind the other two ads yes i think wow pretty wild

1248
02:10:30,620 --> 02:10:35,980
um we don't even see where there's subscription oh here we go go premium so what do i get don't

1249
02:10:35,980 --> 02:10:39,660
tell me to register first just tell me what i get fast downloads uncapped download speed one click

1250
02:10:39,660 --> 02:10:44,540
collections yeah so i think collections are behind it um ad free experience all right so that's why

1251
02:10:44,540 --> 02:10:48,860
i wasn't familiar with how bad it is um support mod creators this is a big part of the reason

1252
02:10:48,860 --> 02:10:53,260
why i do it because i don't money goes to the mod creators and i do also think this is cool

1253
02:10:53,260 --> 02:10:58,060
so maybe they're gonna add things to the premium can't imagine what yeah that's my problem i've

1254
02:10:58,060 --> 02:11:02,060
been sitting here the whole time you've been talking not really listening to what you're saying

1255
02:11:02,860 --> 02:11:10,060
trying to think of what they could add that would add value to okay actually are you aware of what

1256
02:11:10,060 --> 02:11:14,860
collections are i assume it's just like a bunch of different mods and people can like make them and

1257
02:11:14,860 --> 02:11:20,300
then you just like so you can be a curator who plans out a package and they also plan out like

1258
02:11:20,300 --> 02:11:24,380
a load order and everything so all the difficult parts of modding can be done in a collection

1259
02:11:24,380 --> 02:11:30,620
and then you just put it in which is actually like a killer feature and i think that i think

1260
02:11:30,620 --> 02:11:34,220
you can still engage with collections without it but you have to like individually do everything

1261
02:11:34,780 --> 02:11:38,620
so they root they remove a lot of the tedium of modding which is a big part of the reason why

1262
02:11:38,620 --> 02:11:45,740
people don't do it so that makes sense if they could figure out a way to um

1263
02:11:49,180 --> 02:11:55,420
uh now it's kind of an outdated idea remember that thing i pitched you like a billion years ago

1264
02:11:55,420 --> 02:12:00,140
where it was like a system tray tool that would make every unskippable thing skippable like at the

1265
02:12:00,140 --> 02:12:06,060
beginnings of games and stuff like that so it basically like run on your system and then just

1266
02:12:06,060 --> 02:12:12,540
like it would just like delete the the files for like pre-game launch videos and stuff like that

1267
02:12:12,540 --> 02:12:16,620
yeah because that used to be something that you could mod out of games and i feel like either

1268
02:12:16,620 --> 02:12:22,460
it's become more difficult or people just don't bother anymore um and they've become so much

1269
02:12:23,260 --> 02:12:31,500
more unskippable and irritating um a lot of them have moved in engine yeah um one thing that i've

1270
02:12:31,500 --> 02:12:36,460
been seeing a lot of uh in response to this is people being worried about not safe for work mods

1271
02:12:37,740 --> 02:12:42,140
which i don't think is going to happen because yeah they'd be crazy that would be like buying

1272
02:12:42,140 --> 02:12:46,940
tumblr and not realizing that it was all about the pool yeah what i was gonna say is like okay

1273
02:12:46,940 --> 02:12:52,540
that did happen this isn't yahoo though this is like who knows who it is which is part of the

1274
02:12:52,540 --> 02:12:57,900
problem but like especially because of the who knows who it is i don't expect they're going to take

1275
02:12:57,900 --> 02:13:03,500
away the not safe for work stuff um what if they leaned into it that would they'd make money there

1276
02:13:03,500 --> 02:13:09,820
honestly my gut tells me if anything it will be more because if you look at the trajectory

1277
02:13:09,820 --> 02:13:15,660
of the internet over the last while um you can't go from a hundred percent to more than a hundred

1278
02:13:15,660 --> 02:13:20,860
percent it's not a hundred percent i don't know i know i just i just mean the internet in general

1279
02:13:20,860 --> 02:13:26,300
oh yeah yeah from the last little while try from when it was invented no but it's also been way

1280
02:13:26,300 --> 02:13:35,100
more socially acceptable like look at uh that that fan company oh yeah but dyson only fans yeah we were

1281
02:13:35,100 --> 02:13:41,100
literally we were literally a creator on it you're gonna avoid saying the name i was doing a laugh

1282
02:13:41,100 --> 02:13:49,740
he thinks they're cringe do i people who subscribe on only fans oh yeah you support mod creators yeah

1283
02:13:51,260 --> 02:14:00,940
yeah same thing no identical you are just as bad as one i'll show you all my mods please don't

1284
02:14:01,340 --> 02:14:02,780
fans

1285
02:14:04,460 --> 02:14:09,740
but please don't not on stream we we want to keep our i don't mud that way down

1286
02:14:10,780 --> 02:14:15,900
oh you're lame speaking i keep doing oh wait you have a girlfriend never one of one of the like

1287
02:14:15,900 --> 02:14:20,620
one of the like first comments in float playing chat before we even went live was talking about

1288
02:14:20,620 --> 02:14:27,580
this and they were like don't take what's that something blade what new social play like

1289
02:14:27,580 --> 02:14:34,140
playstation game that came out but it's also on pc um mountain blade no oh the one that you will

1290
02:14:34,140 --> 02:14:39,820
not know the ones that like mods are totally fine was that the some company just came out with it

1291
02:14:39,820 --> 02:14:47,820
recently stellar blade yeah that one junior blade that's a nickname for it oh and it has mods on

1292
02:14:47,820 --> 02:14:52,460
nexus mods and one of the first comments in full plain chat that i saw was like don't take those ones

1293
02:14:52,540 --> 02:15:00,540
away please anyway so i think it's that community that's mostly worried because

1294
02:15:00,540 --> 02:15:05,580
that's where there's been like a bit of a line there's been some political lines with nexus mods

1295
02:15:05,580 --> 02:15:10,620
and there's also been the not safe for work line which is there is a level that they don't accept

1296
02:15:10,620 --> 02:15:15,820
i see so are they gonna pull that level back and be more restrictive or are they gonna push that

1297
02:15:15,820 --> 02:15:20,620
level forward and accept more stuff right if i had to guess if it's one or the other if they

1298
02:15:20,620 --> 02:15:23,820
adjusted at all they might just leave it but if it's one or the other i think they're gonna

1299
02:15:23,820 --> 02:15:29,180
push it forward and allow more stuff all right speaking of keeping our stream online i was really

1300
02:15:29,180 --> 02:15:34,460
hoping to use that segue while we still remembered that Dan said that i was trying to set you up for

1301
02:15:34,460 --> 02:15:43,740
it twitch has posted new simulcasting guidelines that tldr state that the WAN Show uh could get us

1302
02:15:43,740 --> 02:15:50,220
in trouble on twitch maybe sort of they state that the twitch user experience of a simulcast stream

1303
02:15:50,220 --> 02:15:57,580
must be no less than the experience on other platforms or services including chat engagement

1304
02:15:58,300 --> 02:16:02,700
you also shouldn't provide links or otherwise direct your community to watch your stream on

1305
02:16:02,700 --> 02:16:12,380
other platforms say for instance LMG dot gg slash Floatplane oh well no that's not really a good

1306
02:16:12,380 --> 02:16:16,620
link down there yeah we're sorry you can't use third party services to combine activity with

1307
02:16:16,620 --> 02:16:24,460
other platforms and there was a immediate question from our community and here i'm just going to uh

1308
02:16:24,460 --> 02:16:31,900
i'm just going to bring this up here does this mean because we have to provide the same experience

1309
02:16:31,900 --> 02:16:38,780
to all platforms that view the WAN Show when it is simulcast does this mean the WAN Show will

1310
02:16:38,780 --> 02:16:43,180
finally read twitch chats a lot of just saying these are not new by the way they're almost two

1311
02:16:43,180 --> 02:16:51,660
years old they're just enforcing it now he didn't even check with me before posting this

1312
02:16:53,820 --> 02:16:58,700
well it wouldn't make any sense but he's a hundred percent right yeah agreed to need to

1313
02:16:58,700 --> 02:17:04,380
check in twitch chat lost it's wise man lost it's chatting with us privileges man a long time ago now

1314
02:17:04,940 --> 02:17:11,820
i think a while ago despite being you held on for a while i did i gave up a long time i did i i held

1315
02:17:11,900 --> 02:17:18,940
out for a long time but twitch chat they they uh they lost their privileges they lost their privileges

1316
02:17:18,940 --> 02:17:25,580
a very long time ago do we still have our little custom agreement thing going on uh i don't know

1317
02:17:25,580 --> 02:17:32,140
you used to have some some fancy boy privileges yeah we we had a pretty special agreement that we

1318
02:17:32,140 --> 02:17:38,540
signed with twitch a very long time ago we were the first to be allowed to stream non gaming content

1319
02:17:38,540 --> 02:17:46,220
on the platform and we were also the first to have a carve out for simulcasting that was

1320
02:17:46,220 --> 02:17:51,980
explicitly allowed under our agreement with them to my knowledge and that was because

1321
02:17:52,780 --> 02:17:59,260
twitch was expanding into the youtube mcn or multi-channel network space back in the day

1322
02:17:59,260 --> 02:18:05,340
and recruit they wanted to make a big push into tech and recruited us i believe as their first

1323
02:18:05,340 --> 02:18:11,660
channel um so we signed a deal with them where they were our mcn uh we got a 100 revenue share

1324
02:18:11,660 --> 02:18:17,020
for our youtube ad sense which i insisted on and made absolutely no sense for them so i don't know

1325
02:18:17,020 --> 02:18:22,140
why they did that but they did and then they also agreed to special terms for us because i was like

1326
02:18:22,140 --> 02:18:29,340
guys look i can't i can't be twitch exclusive for like streaming and like i can't i can't do this

1327
02:18:29,340 --> 02:18:34,700
stuff because i'm i'm a youtuber first and foremost and you're like my youtube mcn you're not looking

1328
02:18:34,700 --> 02:18:39,660
to like you're not looking to kneecap my ability to grow on youtube are you like that would be that

1329
02:18:39,660 --> 02:18:45,980
would be wild and so they they signed these special carve outs for us and then within a matter of like

1330
02:18:45,980 --> 02:18:53,820
i forget if it was months or it was weeks our contact at twitch for the whole mcn program was gone

1331
02:18:53,820 --> 02:19:00,780
and it just disappeared so to my knowledge nobody else ever signed with them or maybe like a handful

1332
02:19:00,780 --> 02:19:05,260
of other people did and i don't know if they had the same carve outs so we have always been allowed

1333
02:19:05,260 --> 02:19:10,540
to multi stream with no restrictions and we have always been allowed to upload non gaming content

1334
02:19:10,540 --> 02:19:17,180
with no real restrictions on it um and if not i guess and if they decide not to honor that

1335
02:19:17,180 --> 02:19:22,460
agreement anymore well then i guess uh people give them the old f*** you team viewer yeah

1336
02:19:23,740 --> 02:19:28,380
which is fine i mean realistically i don't think we really need twitch that badly at this point

1337
02:19:28,380 --> 02:19:33,500
i used to like twitch so much i think they're yeah i used to like fanboy over them like super

1338
02:19:33,500 --> 02:19:38,940
hard like i was at one point i was worried you were gonna quit and go work at twitch no i mean i

1339
02:19:38,940 --> 02:19:45,340
can understand never don't pretend you never thought about it did i i think so i don't think so

1340
02:19:45,340 --> 02:19:51,340
i mean i don't i don't mean seriously consider i don't mean sat there thinking do i sign the

1341
02:19:51,340 --> 02:19:54,940
offer or not i just mean like don't tell me you never like thought about well there was one

1342
02:19:55,740 --> 02:19:59,660
exactly i wasn't i wasn't gonna that's what i'm talking about i'm just saying i'm just saying you

1343
02:19:59,660 --> 02:20:06,380
fanboyed pretty hard i they were really cool i really liked a lot of people that worked there

1344
02:20:06,380 --> 02:20:13,020
they did cool stuff hold on a second guys you cannot like twitch you know luke is less enamored

1345
02:20:13,020 --> 02:20:18,540
with them these days too yeah totally fine but let's let's be real about why we don't like twitch

1346
02:20:19,340 --> 02:20:23,820
kate john mesh and Floatplane chat says twitch went so money hungry it was disgusting

1347
02:20:23,820 --> 02:20:29,100
still lose money twitch has never made money yeah i don't agree with that to be honest like if anything

1348
02:20:29,820 --> 02:20:36,620
twitch might be a healthier more vibrant platform if they could figure out how to be profitable yeah

1349
02:20:37,260 --> 02:20:45,020
um that is that is not yeah that is not a dude oh yeah elige is in the chat brother

1350
02:20:45,660 --> 02:20:50,540
they went money hungry because they have never had a profitable year yeah that's the thing and i

1351
02:20:50,540 --> 02:20:55,100
know people compare them to i think it's kick because people are actually making more money on kick

1352
02:20:55,100 --> 02:21:05,020
but i i mean kick is just funded by like gambling stuff crypto gambling yeah like what do you what

1353
02:21:05,020 --> 02:21:10,700
do you want it's not it's not funded by the actual viability of what the platform is doing so we

1354
02:21:10,700 --> 02:21:17,420
have to compare apples to apples if you want to call twitch money hungry like butt heads or whatever

1355
02:21:17,420 --> 02:21:24,860
you have to compare them to someone who is running a healthy uh self-sufficient profitable business

1356
02:21:24,860 --> 02:21:31,420
and is you know doing better by their users like you can't just that's not why i'm not as into

1357
02:21:31,420 --> 02:21:38,220
twitch these days no i know i know i think it's mostly the vibe yep the vibe just changed the

1358
02:21:38,220 --> 02:21:45,980
vibe shifted um as much as like what you're not into just like girls and hot tubs not really

1359
02:21:47,020 --> 02:21:52,300
to be honest i always i always thought about that boy that boy

1360
02:21:54,140 --> 02:22:01,340
i always thought about him i yeah i don't know i now you can do anything on twitch which like

1361
02:22:01,340 --> 02:22:06,460
sounds cool but it also means that it just doesn't feel very focused if that makes sense yeah

1362
02:22:07,420 --> 02:22:14,460
why twitch like youtube i like yeah exactly yeah like i love youtube to be clear and youtube is

1363
02:22:14,460 --> 02:22:21,340
super not focused so like yeah but that's its identity youtube is it's you on the tube yeah

1364
02:22:21,340 --> 02:22:27,180
yeah twitch had kind of a focus it had an identity and now it's just sort of kind of

1365
02:22:27,180 --> 02:22:31,500
everything and then because it's kind of everything but then also not people are constantly

1366
02:22:31,580 --> 02:22:34,380
trying to fight and push the boundaries on different things and like

1367
02:22:35,820 --> 02:22:41,260
it's just i don't know it was it was a simpler time which is a very generic and boring and

1368
02:22:41,260 --> 02:22:47,820
easy thing to say but it just actually kind of was jamesh with the um i don't know what's a

1369
02:22:47,820 --> 02:22:53,020
what's a terrible take is a terrible take ice cold or red hot i miss facebook gaming

1370
02:22:53,900 --> 02:23:03,020
haha hashtag mixer don't worry i know you're kidding jamesh if you wanted a a mess oh lordy latency mess

1371
02:23:03,900 --> 02:23:09,340
all right oh man why is it always bad news when show why do people even tune into this show if

1372
02:23:09,340 --> 02:23:16,060
they want to leave feeling good about the world the nexus mods news is who knows yet news 23 and

1373
02:23:16,060 --> 02:23:23,020
me cofa i mean oh do come on that's gonna be bad name name

1374
02:23:24,620 --> 02:23:29,740
name three name i don't know if i can name one name one time private equity has acquired something

1375
02:23:29,740 --> 02:23:36,860
and made it better one time i'm not gonna be able to answer this but i actually wonder if the chat

1376
02:23:36,860 --> 02:23:42,620
even can come on is there an example i don't have one straight up i don't have one right here it's

1377
02:23:42,620 --> 02:23:47,500
not the point of private echo come on right here put it right here the one type toys are us

1378
02:23:52,860 --> 02:23:55,740
oh my chat froze dang it hold on i'm missing all of this

1379
02:23:56,860 --> 02:24:03,580
rats twitch chat misses farm fill uh so i don't think anyone did

1380
02:24:05,740 --> 02:24:09,660
valve acquiring devs is not private equity

1381
02:24:10,620 --> 02:24:16,060
is does no private account is so hold on i don't think so no no so private equity

1382
02:24:16,620 --> 02:24:23,340
is a company that serves no purpose other than to be a vehicle for acquiring companies and then

1383
02:24:23,340 --> 02:24:29,820
gotting and and not venture capital venture capital is more like investment in startups with

1384
02:24:29,820 --> 02:24:35,260
the idea that they will you're funding them to develop new ideas so they will like grow exponentially

1385
02:24:35,260 --> 02:24:40,940
most of them will die but some of them will be you know moonshots and will be very successful

1386
02:24:40,940 --> 02:24:48,940
private equity takes established businesses and buys them and then just milks them um

1387
02:24:50,380 --> 02:24:52,460
okay wait do i think you're the wrong

1388
02:24:56,060 --> 02:24:58,300
you think you got you think illy lily got way better

1389
02:24:59,900 --> 02:25:03,660
these need buying star wars okay again that's not private equity that's

1390
02:25:03,660 --> 02:25:10,540
an m&a that's like a merger and acquisition disney is a media company also you're wrong

1391
02:25:14,140 --> 02:25:20,060
let's see psychotech says toys are us in canada is owned by putman investments okay

1392
02:25:20,060 --> 02:25:26,780
and toys are us canada did did manage to do okay um

1393
02:25:27,020 --> 02:25:27,500
um

1394
02:25:33,100 --> 02:25:37,180
again you guys seem oh man a lot of these you guys seem to not quite um

1395
02:25:38,300 --> 02:25:45,100
be giving me private equity examples so when future shop was about to go bankrupt in canada

1396
02:25:45,100 --> 02:25:49,180
best buy bought them out and carried on their gift cards and warranties etc but best buy is not

1397
02:25:49,180 --> 02:25:54,940
a private equity firm best buy is an electronics retailer that bought an about to go bankrupt

1398
02:25:54,940 --> 02:26:01,260
slash defunct electronics retailer and then absorbed their them effectively to take over

1399
02:26:01,260 --> 02:26:08,460
their leases to uh to take the customer base so that's not private equity um

1400
02:26:12,300 --> 02:26:13,340
i forgot the question

1401
02:26:15,900 --> 02:26:19,820
apparently nabisco according to gemini says angry panda pc

1402
02:26:20,060 --> 02:26:22,060
um

1403
02:26:23,580 --> 02:26:25,020
yeah i'm not getting a lot of

1404
02:26:27,020 --> 02:26:33,260
ambler says oh jx the roomscape devs has apparently been private equityed a few times and is still

1405
02:26:33,260 --> 02:26:38,220
going but that's mostly due to certain staff actually getting through i think people are misusing

1406
02:26:38,780 --> 02:26:43,580
the term private equity like like who are they acquired by yeah no private equity you have to

1407
02:26:43,580 --> 02:26:49,980
be like uh like a berkshire hathaway where you are not a real company you don't actually like

1408
02:26:49,980 --> 02:26:59,980
make cars or games or media you a lot of the strat is just a vehicle for money to come in

1409
02:27:00,620 --> 02:27:05,900
and then be spent on things and grow that's it a lot of the strat is you buy a bunch of the same

1410
02:27:05,900 --> 02:27:11,900
type of business in an area unify them all under one banner use the same like it hr whatever systems

1411
02:27:11,900 --> 02:27:16,140
to save some money and then pump up prices because you own all the businesses of that type in the

1412
02:27:16,140 --> 02:27:21,740
area it's like an effective way to reduce some costs in the business in order to increase profit

1413
02:27:21,740 --> 02:27:28,220
margins and then effectively have a monopoly and crank the price on everybody and um put the grips

1414
02:27:28,220 --> 02:27:34,780
on consumers and that can be done by private equity or it can be done by just a large monopolistic

1415
02:27:34,780 --> 02:27:40,380
participant in the space like i remember chatting with a friend of mine who uh works for a company

1416
02:27:40,380 --> 02:27:45,580
that does software for medical offices like managing customer lists and stuff like that and

1417
02:27:45,580 --> 02:27:51,660
they were acquired at some point by a competitor who is just basically norming up uh all the little

1418
02:27:51,660 --> 02:27:56,860
guys and then consolidating and so that they can so they can raise pricing but that's still

1419
02:27:56,860 --> 02:28:03,340
not private equity that's just a monopolistic competitor buying everybody um geeky vapor

1420
02:28:03,340 --> 02:28:11,420
says vca canada the vet company yeah there you go yeah glow says today Linus learns nobody

1421
02:28:11,420 --> 02:28:20,940
knows what private equity is because they're all ass um okay okay steven in Floatplane chat says

1422
02:28:20,940 --> 02:28:26,860
my company transact campus was under private equity and we were sold to roper technologies

1423
02:28:26,860 --> 02:28:34,380
and it worked out but you were interesting i don't think that's the question though because

1424
02:28:34,380 --> 02:28:39,260
they were under private equity and then they sold out of private equity you weren't you weren't

1425
02:28:39,260 --> 02:28:44,940
profitable enough to keep better which is like the opposite of what we're talking about i think

1426
02:28:47,420 --> 02:28:53,180
well i mean yeah they were sold again so is that it working out maybe that's it working out i don't

1427
02:28:57,100 --> 02:29:04,700
uh okay you know what let's move on let's move on the point is yeah the 23 there's an example

1428
02:29:04,700 --> 02:29:08,300
somewhere the 23 and me co-founder bids to buy back the company

1429
02:29:11,580 --> 02:29:19,020
let's go and wajiki's winning bid was 305 million how do you get to run a company that

1430
02:29:19,020 --> 02:29:26,700
so catastrophically collapses and have 305 million dollars oh there are so many examples

1431
02:29:26,700 --> 02:29:32,540
of this yeah i know i know goodness look it's a rhetorical question let's go now we've got

1432
02:29:32,540 --> 02:29:39,260
examples now i can make list she resigned when the company announced the bankruptcy um declared

1433
02:29:39,260 --> 02:29:47,580
concerns over privacy issues has a non-profit now ttam 23 and me which made the bid she gets

1434
02:29:47,660 --> 02:29:55,020
substantially all of the genetic testing firms assets ttam will comply with all applicable

1435
02:29:55,020 --> 02:29:59,900
state privacy laws as if it were a for-profit entity they've also stated they won't sell or

1436
02:29:59,900 --> 02:30:03,740
transfer customers genetic data in case of a merger acquisition or bankruptcy unless the

1437
02:30:03,740 --> 02:30:07,820
entity is another domestic non-profit research institution that will adopt the same privacy

1438
02:30:07,820 --> 02:30:15,180
statements bankruptcy court case still has to approve the sale okay i mean this is better than

1439
02:30:15,260 --> 02:30:26,620
it just like being out there um wait i'm a little lost here the has a non-profit now ttam

1440
02:30:26,620 --> 02:30:31,740
23 and me which made the bid yeah like she's running a non-profit called 23 and me which

1441
02:30:31,740 --> 02:30:41,340
essentially a company called 23 yeah um well good luck everybody i still um strongly believe

1442
02:30:41,340 --> 02:30:47,740
that anyone who submitted their data to 23 and me is eventually going to have it available

1443
02:30:47,740 --> 02:30:59,100
for sale at some point yeah i mean it was just the same person bought it okay uh etsy is cracking

1444
02:30:59,100 --> 02:31:04,540
down a 3d printed project uh products etsy has introduced new which i kind of like because

1445
02:31:04,540 --> 02:31:10,700
i think being able to sell 3d printed products is cool but i'd like some distinction personally

1446
02:31:10,700 --> 02:31:18,060
etsy has introduced new rules uh new rules changes stating okay uh that anything made

1447
02:31:18,060 --> 02:31:24,780
by a seller using computerized tools really any including cnc wow such as laser printers 3d

1448
02:31:24,780 --> 02:31:32,940
printers cnc or cricket is it cricket or crycut cricket cricket or cricket machines must be produced

1449
02:31:32,940 --> 02:31:39,900
based on the seller's original design okay originally an online bizarre of handmade crafts

1450
02:31:39,900 --> 02:31:44,300
and vintage clothing etsy became flooded with mass produced trinkets sold by drop shippers

1451
02:31:44,300 --> 02:31:51,420
resellers and large 3d print farms all 3dp notes that if your etsy business model is solely based

1452
02:31:51,420 --> 02:31:56,300
on 3d printing licensed digital models and you're not interested in adding custom features to your

1453
02:31:56,300 --> 02:32:02,140
products now is the time to transition from etsy to another platform so this is this is pretty

1454
02:32:02,140 --> 02:32:09,740
interesting well hold on a second it's good hold on a second hold on a second i think that it's

1455
02:32:09,740 --> 02:32:18,380
cool that etsy has defined an identity for themselves yeah and is taking steps to enforce it

1456
02:32:18,380 --> 02:32:25,740
that's why i think it's cool however however this is one of those decisions that i kind of

1457
02:32:25,740 --> 02:32:31,820
am looking at going what will be the unintended consequences let's say that i'm someone who is

1458
02:32:31,820 --> 02:32:39,340
super into creating cool designs and i license them to a lot of people which is making money for me

1459
02:32:39,340 --> 02:32:43,660
and allowing me to continue to create more designs maybe even do it as a full-time job

1460
02:32:45,020 --> 02:32:51,340
are we cutting off that lifeline if that particular person is not interested in running a 3d printing

1461
02:32:51,340 --> 02:32:56,860
farm and dealing with the logistics of shipping out hundreds of little little bird shaped water

1462
02:32:56,860 --> 02:33:02,060
feeders or whatever i understand the argument i don't agree with it i'm not making an argument

1463
02:33:02,060 --> 02:33:05,580
i'm just asking a question no and i'm not saying it's necessarily your argument or anything but

1464
02:33:06,220 --> 02:33:11,180
to pose it as an argument regardless i don't agree with it because of what etsy like

1465
02:33:11,180 --> 02:33:16,620
is and this doesn't cut off the lifeline for those people on every website it just cuts

1466
02:33:16,620 --> 02:33:21,020
off that path through etsy which i think should happen what's the alternative where should i buy

1467
02:33:21,020 --> 02:33:26,940
that because that's where honestly oh so down to etsy's etsy wants their identity to be like

1468
02:33:26,940 --> 02:33:32,700
bespoke and crafted yeah but i got to tell you that i don't see etsy that way and their identity

1469
02:33:33,340 --> 02:33:36,780
is partially they should be able to defend the way that they want their identity it's partially

1470
02:33:36,780 --> 02:33:43,180
what they want it to be but it's also partially what it just is i agree but if it if what it is

1471
02:33:43,180 --> 02:33:47,740
is not what they want it to be sure they should be able to take actions to defend what they want it

1472
02:33:47,740 --> 02:33:52,060
to be and they're able to and i'm not i'm not saying anything about their right to do that the only

1473
02:33:52,060 --> 02:33:57,820
question i'm asking is what happens now oh because where i'm going to get bumped off where i would

1474
02:33:57,820 --> 02:34:01,900
no i don't i'm i'm talking about the the original designers i'm i'm not even talking about the

1475
02:34:01,900 --> 02:34:11,180
3d print farms so about those people if i the end user was like i want a 3d printed like some random

1476
02:34:11,180 --> 02:34:18,300
thing i would think to go to etsy i i i confess to you i would have no idea where else to go

1477
02:34:18,300 --> 02:34:23,340
for that i wouldn't but i understand where would you go a 3d printing website

1478
02:34:24,300 --> 02:34:25,900
but like

1479
02:34:27,980 --> 02:34:31,420
there's many of them where you can see a design you can just order it and it just gets printed

1480
02:34:31,420 --> 02:34:37,020
for you and then delivered but what if the thing about etsy is it's not all 3d printed

1481
02:34:37,580 --> 02:34:43,500
yeah there's also like laser engraving and there's like for like etsy the only thing i've ever

1482
02:34:43,500 --> 02:34:48,780
really thought to buy on etsy is like gifty stuff and i don't necessarily just want to see 3d printed

1483
02:34:48,780 --> 02:34:53,740
stuff so what's that what's an alternative marketplace no they're still gonna be 3d they're

1484
02:34:53,740 --> 02:35:02,460
not banning 3d printed i know yeah but etsy is supposed to be creators sure so they should defend

1485
02:35:02,460 --> 02:35:06,780
that i i think this completely makes sense it's not banning it off of the internet i'm not saying

1486
02:35:06,780 --> 02:35:13,340
it doesn't make sense hold on hold on i'm asking if the creator of the design does not want to run

1487
02:35:13,340 --> 02:35:21,180
a 3d printing shop sure is there okay is etsy creating a path by which that creator through

1488
02:35:21,180 --> 02:35:27,420
one licensed third party or something could have it for sale on etsy i don't think they need to

1489
02:35:27,420 --> 02:35:36,540
but what okay why not uh because their thing is about connecting uh like i for christmas i bought

1490
02:35:36,540 --> 02:35:46,460
these little wooden uh birds for emma and they were through etsy and when i did the transaction

1491
02:35:46,460 --> 02:35:50,700
it put me in contact with that person we talked about it and any customizations that might be

1492
02:35:50,700 --> 02:35:55,900
wanted and all this other kind of stuff it's supposed to be a from my understanding and i don't

1493
02:35:55,900 --> 02:35:59,740
know i'm not etsy i could be wrong but from my understanding it's supposed to be a way to

1494
02:36:00,140 --> 02:36:07,740
um get consumers in contact with creators that are making things this spoke things yeah and if

1495
02:36:07,740 --> 02:36:12,540
this is not doing that because it's a pass through then that is not how they want their website to

1496
02:36:12,540 --> 02:36:18,460
really work and that's fine where do i go to find that now and other websites on the internet now

1497
02:36:18,460 --> 02:36:23,420
i know there's other websites on the internet so okay but we keep let me see if i can find some

1498
02:36:23,420 --> 02:36:31,260
we keep dodging my question um my question my question is maybe Dan understands my question

1499
02:36:31,260 --> 02:36:40,460
my question is mr Dan i am the creator of something maybe it is a an engraving template

1500
02:36:40,460 --> 02:36:49,580
or maybe it is a 3d printed thing or maybe it is it is it is some kind of uh you know stl for

1501
02:36:49,580 --> 02:36:58,860
some kind of uh you know cnc something it's something um i do not wish to sell it directly

1502
02:36:58,860 --> 02:37:05,580
and deal with the logistics and oh oh can hedge in Floatplane chat says creators who don't want

1503
02:37:05,580 --> 02:37:09,500
to bother with the logistics will probably just hire out to a management firm which will do all

1504
02:37:09,500 --> 02:37:15,500
that for them and manage their account and stuff that is very optimistic but probably probably not

1505
02:37:15,500 --> 02:37:19,100
if they didn't want to do in the first place they probably don't want to do so if they so

1506
02:37:19,580 --> 02:37:27,420
right now the the the reseller of license to designs network that as far as i can tell

1507
02:37:27,420 --> 02:37:34,540
largely uses etsy to sell these these creations if if their source of income is those people

1508
02:37:35,340 --> 02:37:42,140
all i'm asking is what will happen to them where does that customer go to find that what is the

1509
02:37:42,140 --> 02:37:47,340
what's the etsy alternative there's sites online where you can sell your 3d printing files

1510
02:37:48,060 --> 02:37:53,180
yes but i'm not i'm not only talking about 3d printing i think the consumer in this case that

1511
02:37:53,180 --> 02:38:00,860
Linus is talking about wants the 3d printed object finalized um or not 3d printed just the file or

1512
02:38:00,860 --> 02:38:06,060
engraved or engraved or some some they want the physical object they want the physical object

1513
02:38:06,060 --> 02:38:11,740
and the store themselves is just getting stuff off thing averse and then making the physical

1514
02:38:11,740 --> 02:38:16,220
object and then selling that one thing that i've been trying to figure out just kind of in the

1515
02:38:16,220 --> 02:38:27,100
comments i i produce 3d print designs i have no interest in selling physical goods but i take

1516
02:38:27,100 --> 02:38:33,020
commissions i sell them on a store or something like that if i'm a 3d print farm this design

1517
02:38:33,020 --> 02:38:38,860
looks really cool i'm going to buy a i can sell this license of your 3d model and then i'm going

1518
02:38:38,860 --> 02:38:45,500
to sell it on my etsy store is that allowed by etsy if no the store were to go to that person

1519
02:38:45,500 --> 02:38:52,220
directly and commission an stl for them could they sell that on their store that i don't know

1520
02:38:52,220 --> 02:38:59,500
they had a team or an employee would that also count i think yes yeah so is commissioning not

1521
02:38:59,500 --> 02:39:05,900
a bad idea so what is wrong with licensing then would the commissioner give a license for only

1522
02:39:05,900 --> 02:39:11,180
that store because you i mean you could sell that stuff on Shopify you could sell that stuff on amazon

1523
02:39:11,260 --> 02:39:17,020
exactly but i think the the thing that's getting in the middle here is that they're just producing

1524
02:39:17,820 --> 02:39:23,500
physical goods that don't require craftsmanship or that much craftsmanship i shouldn't be too

1525
02:39:23,500 --> 02:39:31,740
disparaging um yeah how but the file is like the problem it's the owner of the file that's where

1526
02:39:31,740 --> 02:39:38,220
etsy's drawing the line they're saying that the only person who can sell a good created with a file

1527
02:39:38,300 --> 02:39:43,820
if they own the item is the creator of the file i think it's more creator than owner yes it's the

1528
02:39:43,820 --> 02:39:49,740
creator of the file because licensing is not allowed and to be clear i fully understand what

1529
02:39:49,740 --> 02:39:56,460
they're trying to achieve here they're trying to they're trying to take the site from what it is now

1530
02:39:56,460 --> 02:40:03,420
which is essentially like a like a dumping ground of really reproduced um you know digital

1531
02:40:03,420 --> 02:40:11,340
huha that's you know sold by a whole bunch of licensees of in many cases a lot of duplicate

1532
02:40:11,340 --> 02:40:18,140
files just grabbing free stuff right yeah so i want to make it abundantly clear that i fully

1533
02:40:18,140 --> 02:40:25,260
understand the issue that is not the problem and i fully recognize etsy's right to maintain their

1534
02:40:25,260 --> 02:40:34,700
own identity for what they are my question is the people who are making their living licensing

1535
02:40:34,700 --> 02:40:40,540
these files that they have created which may not be 3d printed they may be something else

1536
02:40:43,820 --> 02:40:49,580
for me as a as a pretty normie in terms of like you know shopping online i actually don't

1537
02:40:49,580 --> 02:40:58,540
do a ton of shopping online i i can't i don't know like what the what the place i would go to

1538
02:40:58,540 --> 02:41:06,300
to just like find kitschy sort of in this case i guess licensed you know stuff would be like what

1539
02:41:06,300 --> 02:41:11,260
etsy wants its identity to be what they want their identity to be that's well within their rights

1540
02:41:11,260 --> 02:41:17,020
but as a consumer that isn't the identity that etsy has managed to maintain over the last five

1541
02:41:17,020 --> 02:41:24,460
plus years so now that they have morphed into that they have become a central part of the business

1542
02:41:24,460 --> 02:41:33,020
model of the creators of these designs that is now i think i get it so where i get it yeah yeah

1543
02:41:33,020 --> 02:41:38,380
yeah i so you're you're talking about the creators their business model is selling to etsy shops

1544
02:41:38,380 --> 02:41:43,820
i personally think you're overblowing how much that happens and in in the inverse how much it's

1545
02:41:43,820 --> 02:41:49,740
just people taking models or buying them for like 20 from stores that already exist which

1546
02:41:49,740 --> 02:41:55,260
aren't going anywhere so that model is not going to change i don't want us to be too laser focused

1547
02:41:55,260 --> 02:42:00,860
on 3d models like every literally every post in chat is telling me but think of us think of us

1548
02:42:00,860 --> 02:42:04,380
think well hold on a second if you're talking about things like drop shipping then they still

1549
02:42:04,380 --> 02:42:10,380
engraving exact same leather work pins it's it can all just be mass produced out of a file right

1550
02:42:10,460 --> 02:42:15,580
yeah i know a lot of creators too who produce this stuff and sell the files selling the files

1551
02:42:15,580 --> 02:42:20,700
is a lot easier it could be yeah yeah well what's that um what's that type of like stitching

1552
02:42:20,700 --> 02:42:25,180
where you embroidery embroidery yeah you could do embroidery patterns okay which is great

1553
02:42:26,700 --> 02:42:35,020
so where's the hub for it exactly this stuff is currently available now on amazon uh all of it

1554
02:42:35,020 --> 02:42:40,460
like there are drop ship things sure are embroidered things there are 3d printed things

1555
02:42:41,180 --> 02:42:48,620
i mean i don't particularly want to buy on amazon um okay i don't think that's a valid answer to the

1556
02:42:49,180 --> 02:42:55,020
statement and and like at like i don't actually necessarily think that the shopping experience

1557
02:42:55,020 --> 02:43:03,260
on amazon is so very similar to the shopping experience on etsy sure like if i look i i did

1558
02:43:03,260 --> 02:43:09,020
really did not mean for this to be a particularly contentious topic i was no it's just a really

1559
02:43:09,020 --> 02:43:15,420
complicated nuanced topic um because there's a lot of different creators involved in something

1560
02:43:15,420 --> 02:43:21,740
like a print farm some of them are being stolen from some of them don't care because it's like okay

1561
02:43:21,740 --> 02:43:28,060
i want a 3d printed benchy which is now available i can go get the file but i don't know a 3d printer

1562
02:43:29,020 --> 02:43:36,860
i want one or you know i would like the disney logo uh cross-stitched into a t-shirt or printed

1563
02:43:36,860 --> 02:43:42,140
onto a t-shirt yeah somebody's maybe selling that pre-done there's like a bunch of different

1564
02:43:42,140 --> 02:43:47,100
avenues some some creators will embroider your stuff but that's like you're going to a business

1565
02:43:47,100 --> 02:43:55,100
service um it's very confusing and i don't know how they're gonna try and crack down on it more

1566
02:43:55,660 --> 02:44:00,220
than just like a vibes thing it's i think it's largely gonna be a vibes thing i think it's gonna

1567
02:44:00,220 --> 02:44:03,980
be a vibes thing 3d printing is probably a little bit easier than the other stuff

1568
02:44:08,780 --> 02:44:14,940
i don't know i um and like i i think the i think the theft angle that uh that luke brought up

1569
02:44:14,940 --> 02:44:20,060
brought up is probably a really critical element not only in the way that uh you brought it up but

1570
02:44:20,060 --> 02:44:26,060
also from like an ip standpoint like this could be etsy just trying to cover their butts

1571
02:44:27,020 --> 02:44:31,500
Dan bringing up the like the disney logo thing i've had some friends get banned from etsy for

1572
02:44:31,500 --> 02:44:38,380
making very similar things because people want like good thing for the thing they like sometimes

1573
02:44:38,380 --> 02:44:44,380
you can't get a lot a lot i mean brand of things are trash a lot of the stuff that my friends make

1574
02:44:44,380 --> 02:44:50,460
on etsy is like better than the quality that you can get that is yeah first party yeah i'm not

1575
02:44:50,460 --> 02:44:57,260
surprised but that's not really allowed but it's almost it's you kind of have to know that it's

1576
02:44:57,260 --> 02:45:01,900
your kind of special little guy interest thing yeah i don't know i guess so what is what is the

1577
02:45:01,900 --> 02:45:06,060
special sauce that you're describing with it what's the shopping experience that i don't know it's

1578
02:45:06,060 --> 02:45:11,660
just full of like kitschy kind of crafted looking stuff that's it that's its identity to me is it's

1579
02:45:11,660 --> 02:45:17,100
kind of like uh it's kind of remember think geek think geek conceivably could have sold anything

1580
02:45:17,740 --> 02:45:22,780
and amazon probably had everything that think think geek had not that not everything some

1581
02:45:22,780 --> 02:45:29,180
things were think geek exclusive they made their own items but think geek had an identity its identity

1582
02:45:29,180 --> 02:45:35,500
was if i wanted to if i had a gamer geek person in my life and it was their birthday and i had

1583
02:45:35,500 --> 02:45:39,180
absolutely no idea what to buy them and for some reason they were an adult who still wanted birthday

1584
02:45:39,180 --> 02:45:45,420
presents i could i could go to think geek and i could probably find like a cool map of middle

1585
02:45:45,420 --> 02:45:50,620
earth or something that they would think is cool and i could i could buy that um and you can go

1586
02:45:50,620 --> 02:45:57,100
there for inspiration i guess is part of what you know the identity of a store is to me is i i have

1587
02:45:57,100 --> 02:46:02,780
something in my back of my mind that i kind of need something like that to serve purpose x and

1588
02:46:02,780 --> 02:46:07,820
that's the store that i would think to go to obviously i could go to ebay you can buy anything

1589
02:46:07,820 --> 02:46:14,380
on ebay like i i it's not that i can't solve this problem it's just that you know i think the i i

1590
02:46:18,780 --> 02:46:25,180
luke luke supports the mod creators on nexus the etsy is very very similar to that sort of mindset

1591
02:46:25,180 --> 02:46:31,660
yeah i can go to ebay and i can get you know 3d printed services or like plates i'm not going to

1592
02:46:31,660 --> 02:46:39,420
etsy to buy from a store i'm there to buy from a creator and a small team right i honestly think

1593
02:46:39,420 --> 02:46:44,620
we're talking about an individual incredibly like we're we're talking about the where do they go

1594
02:46:44,620 --> 02:46:50,620
for an incredibly small percentage of the platform i think oh the problem is that that's a small

1595
02:46:50,620 --> 02:46:55,580
percentage but it's the same type of thing and it's getting bigger and bigger because when somebody

1596
02:46:56,540 --> 02:47:02,940
cute balbasaur plant holder it's etsy by the balbasaur plant holder

1597
02:47:04,060 --> 02:47:09,180
so i guess no no no i i no i understand what you're saying luke you're saying that the people who

1598
02:47:09,180 --> 02:47:14,460
are relying on licensing their designs to people who are using a marketplace like etsy to sell them

1599
02:47:14,460 --> 02:47:19,500
in volume um are very few and far between and i think a lot of those people are being like robbed

1600
02:47:20,220 --> 02:47:27,020
and you know what i i'll be the first to admit that i don't know much about the the economics of

1601
02:47:27,020 --> 02:47:33,180
these engagements other than that i do know that people people do survive definitely a thing by

1602
02:47:33,180 --> 02:47:40,540
creating designs licensing them to whether it's engraving or 3d printing or leatherworking farms

1603
02:47:40,540 --> 02:47:46,940
and then using marketplaces like etsy to do numbers so i'll show you i'm going to try to find it

1604
02:47:46,940 --> 02:47:52,940
by the way uh this is uh this is really sad um think geek apparently was bought out by private

1605
02:47:52,940 --> 02:48:02,220
equity throwing back to what we were talking about before uh think geek was so cool i don't know

1606
02:48:02,220 --> 02:48:08,860
do you have a particular site that you like for for like buying um i don't know if you ever have

1607
02:48:08,860 --> 02:48:13,820
but like buying 3d printing files that i suspect you probably just make your own but oh i mean

1608
02:48:14,540 --> 02:48:21,020
not necessarily it's really kind of dependent on what's needed there's some very specialized

1609
02:48:21,020 --> 02:48:28,140
things that you might want um but most of them are available for for free and and a lot of these

1610
02:48:28,140 --> 02:48:33,100
people are printing and then selling like a big part of my problem i think is that a huge amount

1611
02:48:33,100 --> 02:48:39,020
of etsy is people downloading free 3d models that a lot of the time come with a thing saying you

1612
02:48:39,020 --> 02:48:43,500
can't sell this yeah most of it's open source licenses printing a thousand of them and selling

1613
02:48:43,500 --> 02:48:47,740
them on etsy that's the vast majority of what's happening do that we know that it's not all of

1614
02:48:47,740 --> 02:48:51,500
it yeah you know that for sure i've read articles about it before where etsy's concerned about

1615
02:48:51,500 --> 02:48:55,340
i think that's kind of what they're trying to maybe and that's what they're trying to stop

1616
02:48:55,340 --> 02:49:01,420
now Linus's scenario i am certain is also real i think it's just a really small percentage how

1617
02:49:01,420 --> 02:49:06,700
do we enable that scenario like how do we get more money into the hands of the creator without

1618
02:49:06,700 --> 02:49:11,020
necessarily telling the creator putting a gun to their head and being like you need to start

1619
02:49:11,020 --> 02:49:17,260
running your own 3d printing farm and late putting putting little trinkets and packages and putting

1620
02:49:17,260 --> 02:49:20,380
labels on them probably not what you want to do because you like creating this kind of comes back

1621
02:49:20,380 --> 02:49:27,820
into that's what i'm asking starving artist where what store do i go to where where like i can find

1622
02:49:28,540 --> 02:49:34,460
the etsy etsy-ness it's interesting because it's such a similar question to like the nexus mods idea

1623
02:49:34,460 --> 02:49:40,700
and with nexus mods the way that they've done it is they've tried to add kind of platform features

1624
02:49:41,500 --> 02:49:47,420
under a subscription and they've used part of the subscription to benefit the creators of the mods

1625
02:49:47,420 --> 02:49:51,820
which are the only reason why one is on the platform if you know what i mean so they they're

1626
02:49:51,820 --> 02:49:55,260
kind of reciprocating a little bit okay the mod creators are putting their mods up for free

1627
02:49:56,380 --> 02:50:00,620
and the only reason why you're on my website is because the mod creators did that i'm going

1628
02:50:00,620 --> 02:50:04,140
to charge a subscription but obviously the only reason you're here for these mods really

1629
02:50:04,140 --> 02:50:08,380
so i'm going to lock this some platform features that make it nicer to use my platform but i'm

1630
02:50:08,380 --> 02:50:13,500
going to give some kickbacks to the mod creators so is there a solution like like does for example

1631
02:50:13,500 --> 02:50:18,780
this is the problem is there a subscription model is there anything going on you know if if it's

1632
02:50:18,780 --> 02:50:24,300
it's like artist versus i guess the printing company at this point if you want to think about it in

1633
02:50:24,300 --> 02:50:29,980
terms of art prints and painters you know the people who are designing the 3d models are kind of the

1634
02:50:29,980 --> 02:50:36,140
painter and then they're like here's my painting do you want to buy one i don't really want to deal

1635
02:50:36,140 --> 02:50:40,940
with shipping things and then somebody just buys a license to it and then starts printing it and the

1636
02:50:40,940 --> 02:50:45,980
only way that the consumers is going to get it like because Thingiverse and printables and those

1637
02:50:45,980 --> 02:50:52,780
sorts of things are kind of like nexus mods right now anyway you know yeah like i found this i have

1638
02:50:52,780 --> 02:50:58,540
no idea but i found this creator on printables and there's an option to support and join club

1639
02:50:58,620 --> 02:51:04,460
and then you can join like a thingy that gives them some form of kickback there's loads of these

1640
02:51:04,460 --> 02:51:10,220
types of so i guess you can probably set up your own tiers yeah i'm assuming there's loads of these

1641
02:51:10,220 --> 02:51:14,860
types of websites and especially for models there's yeah for games as well it's really important

1642
02:51:16,140 --> 02:51:21,180
a lot of people will buy assets and a lot of people will make assets something like a 3d printed

1643
02:51:21,740 --> 02:51:30,700
kind of desk toy or you know amusement they're normally simpler and even there's super complicated

1644
02:51:30,700 --> 02:51:36,620
ones but like all this architecture isn't going away is i think what my my point was absolutely

1645
02:51:36,620 --> 02:51:45,340
not no yeah i just think that this is an effort to reduce slop in a way oh interesting yeah okay so

1646
02:51:45,340 --> 02:51:50,540
check this out so again on printables there again there are a lot of these other websites is just

1647
02:51:50,540 --> 02:51:55,100
the one that i'm poking around on you can see these purple things yeah pink things whatever

1648
02:51:55,100 --> 02:51:59,260
i highlight over it saw exclusive models so you have to be part of this person's club to download

1649
02:51:59,260 --> 02:52:04,460
it yeah um and then that's a subscription and there are some people sell individuals yes there

1650
02:52:04,460 --> 02:52:09,180
also ways you can sell individual models so this is like this is the market that these places have

1651
02:52:09,180 --> 02:52:15,820
had in the past okay so then um do you think it will have any impact on the number of people

1652
02:52:15,820 --> 02:52:24,700
that will subscribe to buddy there if there are fewer resellers places for them to sell yeah i think

1653
02:52:24,700 --> 02:52:31,260
there are other i mean does he sell does he have a license if somebody wants to reproduce it i don't

1654
02:52:31,260 --> 02:52:35,100
know we're just talking in theory no no yeah i'm talking i'm talking i'm also talking in theory

1655
02:52:35,100 --> 02:52:42,460
by by reducing the the sales avenues for these designs will there be an impact was my original

1656
02:52:42,540 --> 02:52:49,900
question and i don't know the answer to that and i do agree that the slop on etsy is an absolute

1657
02:52:49,900 --> 02:52:57,180
problem and i do think that it's a great point that tamping down on theft is a hundred percent

1658
02:52:57,180 --> 02:53:04,220
necessary but like i'm i'm just trying to i'm just trying to figure out i think i i just really think

1659
02:53:04,220 --> 02:53:10,220
i am sure there will be an impact on some people doing this legitimately i really think the amount

1660
02:53:10,220 --> 02:53:20,140
of effectively pirated non-condoned slop on etsy should go way down well no i think it was the

1661
02:53:20,140 --> 02:53:25,420
vast majority of all of this type of arrangement i really think the percentage of this that is

1662
02:53:25,420 --> 02:53:29,420
fitting under the category that you're talking about is like incredibly small and i think the

1663
02:53:29,420 --> 02:53:35,580
reason for that is whenever you see the prices to buy the files for these things it's cheap do you

1664
02:53:35,580 --> 02:53:41,900
think that part of the problem that i'm experiencing where i have this perception of etsy

1665
02:53:42,860 --> 02:53:48,380
is that legitimate perception of etsy is that etsy took too long to take absolutely dude yeah

1666
02:53:48,380 --> 02:53:51,420
they should have done this like you said five years ago or whatever okay this has been true

1667
02:53:51,420 --> 02:53:57,420
years for a long time so okay i think we i think we've done it then i think we've come to what was

1668
02:53:57,420 --> 02:54:01,740
kind of the core of what i was trying to explain where they have their idea of what their identity

1669
02:54:02,620 --> 02:54:09,260
but for better or for worse through their actions their identity has become something

1670
02:54:09,260 --> 02:54:15,980
that has created a marketplace for someone oh yeah absolutely and so what's the replacement

1671
02:54:15,980 --> 02:54:22,700
what is going to fill that vacuum now yeah because like you say maybe yeah i think the

1672
02:54:22,700 --> 02:54:27,020
traditional stores that i listed but but like you said you don't want a store that's like

1673
02:54:27,980 --> 02:54:34,700
3d printed junk dot com no you want a store that is things that you're interested in dot com yeah

1674
02:54:34,700 --> 02:54:39,260
that might also have 3d printed things i mean what if i did want a store that is again i want to

1675
02:54:39,260 --> 02:54:43,100
i want to make it really clear i'm not just talking about 3d printing right so what if i did

1676
02:54:43,100 --> 02:54:53,260
want a store that was 3d printed or laser engraved or or or etched or custom t-shirt or cnc'd or

1677
02:54:53,340 --> 02:55:00,220
screen printed junk dot com what is it which store is that team you team you you think so

1678
02:55:00,220 --> 02:55:04,540
is there is there much 3d printed i have no idea i was just tossing them under a little bit i don't

1679
02:55:04,540 --> 02:55:08,380
think so you can like speaking of sites where they could go sell this stuff you can third party

1680
02:55:08,380 --> 02:55:15,660
sell on team you for example for example um fiverr someone said i don't think i don't think fiverr

1681
02:55:15,660 --> 02:55:21,180
you can't browse on fiverr that's the thing like i almost wonder if etsy should like

1682
02:55:22,140 --> 02:55:26,140
should still have a marketplace for this but like call it something else

1683
02:55:26,940 --> 02:55:31,180
or something like did you kind of get what i'm talking about like it feels like there's

1684
02:55:31,180 --> 02:55:37,100
there's a bit of a because obviously nobody would be listing this stuff on etsy if nobody was buying

1685
02:55:37,100 --> 02:55:47,340
it so it's clear that there is a marketplace um that exists and i think they should pivot to being

1686
02:55:47,340 --> 02:55:53,260
like a second site for maybe micro services or something like that because the people on etsy are

1687
02:55:53,260 --> 02:55:59,340
are maker type people and i think what they're trying to target here is just like i own 15

1688
02:56:00,060 --> 02:56:06,300
3d printers and just make things or i own a laser cutter and make things that are random but but

1689
02:56:07,100 --> 02:56:11,340
that you segment that into a different website which is just kind of like

1690
02:56:11,340 --> 02:56:15,820
making services type things and they can advertise all the random models like Linus

1691
02:56:15,820 --> 02:56:19,980
wants if you take those out though if you split the service you're going to kill the whole vibe

1692
02:56:19,980 --> 02:56:27,180
that Linus likes maybe maybe not maybe not because honestly i miss the days of going on etsy and being

1693
02:56:27,180 --> 02:56:33,420
like oh wow that's a like totally custom bespoke thing that someone created me too so okay why

1694
02:56:33,420 --> 02:56:40,860
don't i give why don't i give some context the last time i was like browsing on etsy um i found uh

1695
02:56:40,860 --> 02:56:47,420
it was actually it was a 3d printed thing that i wanted to that i wanted to buy um and it was like

1696
02:56:47,420 --> 02:56:55,020
uh like um like a topographical um legend of zelda linked to the past world map and

1697
02:56:56,940 --> 02:57:01,980
it made me think about a lot of things i wondered you know who had actually made that design whether

1698
02:57:01,980 --> 02:57:06,860
they were properly compensated it i wondered what the printing quality would be like because it was

1699
02:57:06,860 --> 02:57:14,060
clearly 3d printed rather than injection molded i wondered what the licensing and trademark issues

1700
02:57:14,060 --> 02:57:20,860
were around nintendo's obvious ownership of that intellectual property and i didn't end up turning

1701
02:57:20,860 --> 02:57:30,220
that into a wancho conversation until this kind of sparked it and so you know random pirated you

1702
02:57:30,220 --> 02:57:40,940
know thing dot com right what is the replacement for etsy and and and shopping you know for like cool

1703
02:57:41,660 --> 02:57:45,980
you know topographical wall maps and the way that etsy sort of led me down a rabbit where i could

1704
02:57:45,980 --> 02:57:50,300
find all these kind of cool different designs i don't know it was a i didn't end up buying one but

1705
02:57:50,300 --> 02:57:55,100
it was you know kind of a cool shopping experience that might not exist in exactly that way anywhere

1706
02:57:55,820 --> 02:58:00,060
know exactly what you mean though and like Dan said a lot of the times unfortunately yeah that's

1707
02:58:00,060 --> 02:58:05,260
going to end up being higher quality than the real first party stuff yeah but not always sometimes

1708
02:58:05,260 --> 02:58:10,220
it's just not always probably most of the times all made it all makers are not created equal yeah

1709
02:58:10,220 --> 02:58:14,700
yeah some of them are just 3d printing farms and but some of them just make little dumb trinkets

1710
02:58:14,700 --> 02:58:22,220
that Linus likes and where are you gonna go yeah so i i don't know i that's the only that's the

1711
02:58:22,220 --> 02:58:27,420
conversation that i wanted to have um there's some people who have a while there's some people who

1712
02:58:27,420 --> 02:58:33,020
have kind of tried to give some suggestions someone said tindi but like they're really focused on like

1713
02:58:33,020 --> 02:58:39,580
hardware um but this kind of etsy's brand now isn't it this is interesting etsy hub is apparently

1714
02:58:39,580 --> 02:58:46,460
for sale for just 2500 us dollars like honestly that would that would kind of solve my problem

1715
02:58:46,460 --> 02:58:52,540
if etsy hub was just kind of like the dumping ground and then a little bit less policed and then

1716
02:58:52,540 --> 02:58:58,300
etsy was just like the um the actual bespoke because another thing that i think is going to

1717
02:58:58,300 --> 02:59:05,180
happen to etsy um as a result of this that maybe is a good thing but could impact the

1718
02:59:05,180 --> 02:59:11,180
shopping experience that etsy's users expect is that i suspect prices will go up a lot i have

1719
02:59:11,500 --> 02:59:17,660
yeah i have an idea what if you had verified type sellers so somebody who was like a maker maker

1720
02:59:18,460 --> 02:59:25,660
go go check mark how do you verify man yeah i honestly i i like this concept that they're

1721
02:59:25,660 --> 02:59:30,060
going down i think it's impossible i i've been thinking for a while that like i mean i have

1722
02:59:30,060 --> 02:59:36,700
this conversation with potentially both of you um my idea for an ai app because of course

1723
02:59:37,660 --> 02:59:41,740
uh tech bro has an idea for an ai app everyone stunned have i told have i given you this pitch

1724
02:59:41,740 --> 02:59:50,300
i don't think so i'll give it on the WAN Show because i don't think i'm going to have time to do it and i just hope that someone does the name that i thought of okay was uh you could

1725
02:59:50,300 --> 02:59:55,660
shorten it to little bro or it's little bro little or little guy little guy little guy

1726
02:59:55,660 --> 03:00:01,500
small little guy the name specifically little guy not little bro little guy okay and the tag

1727
03:00:01,500 --> 03:00:07,420
line is it's a microphone and speaker that lives in your pants oh and you can talk to it anytime

1728
03:00:07,420 --> 03:00:18,220
you want oh not micro guy so you can talk to your little guy no get out i could have been

1729
03:00:18,220 --> 03:00:24,620
talking about me please don't fire me oh man yikes okay okay okay okay okay let's get back

1730
03:00:25,340 --> 03:00:31,100
savage this is why i'm not allowed to talk on the show so sorry we need a mute Dan button

1731
03:00:31,420 --> 03:00:38,300
you have one it's in the bottom left oh i get wrecked um okay so the the the name is little guy

1732
03:00:38,300 --> 03:00:48,300
little guy the tag line is the anti ai ai and so you you when you're using it it will

1733
03:00:49,500 --> 03:00:53,020
it's like you know the the the the system prompt or the base prompt or whatever

1734
03:00:53,020 --> 03:00:59,980
will have it recheck kind of everything it wants to suggest and it's mostly based on the suggestions

1735
03:00:59,980 --> 03:01:03,340
so if you ask where you can buy a certain thing mostly based or fully based

1736
03:01:04,140 --> 03:01:09,740
hopefully hopefully it's fully based um but it would try to find like small mom and pop brick

1737
03:01:09,740 --> 03:01:16,380
and mortar options instead of major chains and uh if if if you're doing research through it or

1738
03:01:16,380 --> 03:01:21,260
something it will try to detect if the text or the video or whatever resource that it's

1739
03:01:22,060 --> 03:01:28,700
reading from or showing to you or whatever is ai written oh it won't suggest it so it tries to

1740
03:01:28,700 --> 03:01:37,180
keep it focused on things that are real real but small and like our little guy yeah it focuses

1741
03:01:37,180 --> 03:01:40,780
on the little guy it tries to help the little guy i like that i like that yeah i think it's

1742
03:01:40,780 --> 03:01:45,180
actually kind of how much money there isn't it that's the problem probably nothing all the ideas

1743
03:01:45,260 --> 03:01:52,620
that like are are based and and cool are not that profitable it feels like yeah if someone

1744
03:01:52,620 --> 03:01:57,660
wants to steal that idea please go for it let me know that you did it yeah do it or don't we can

1745
03:01:57,660 --> 03:02:04,380
sell it on etsy yeah yeah but like it's it's something that i see people going towards is

1746
03:02:04,380 --> 03:02:10,860
like verified main made by people stuff right and i i think we're i have a theory that we're

1747
03:02:10,860 --> 03:02:21,020
gonna see a rise of like a very like non-social tier of almost content creators which is like

1748
03:02:21,020 --> 03:02:25,820
people really just sharing evidence that they actually made this thing right yeah like do you

1749
03:02:25,820 --> 03:02:32,220
get a video file along with your product that shows them making it yeah and you notice that that one

1750
03:02:32,220 --> 03:02:38,060
slight scratch on the corners and you can see the the yeah you can see the timestamp in the video

1751
03:02:38,060 --> 03:02:41,660
where that tiny accidental scratch happened and now it's on your product and you know

1752
03:02:42,300 --> 03:02:47,820
that it's not that having more or less fingers is a problem as long as it's not ai yeah exactly

1753
03:02:47,820 --> 03:02:52,700
just throwing that out there yeah um so like and so i think i have a theory that things are

1754
03:02:52,700 --> 03:02:59,660
gonna kind of maybe not that maybe not that exact form but i i think real actually i know this was

1755
03:02:59,660 --> 03:03:05,580
made by a person things are gonna start going up in value for people i do think so um and i i think

1756
03:03:05,660 --> 03:03:09,100
there's a space and that's why i'm happy that this is happening with etsy and i think there's a

1757
03:03:09,100 --> 03:03:14,620
space for uh little guy to be a thing if someone wants to make it if nobody makes it maybe i'll

1758
03:03:14,620 --> 03:03:22,380
do it someday but not right now i'll say that speaking of ai google ai search and other ai chat

1759
03:03:22,380 --> 03:03:28,620
bots appear to be causing a significant drop in traffic to news sites so our sources for this

1760
03:03:28,620 --> 03:03:34,060
are futurism and axios the wall street journal reports that the traffic being sent to publishers

1761
03:03:34,060 --> 03:03:39,420
is plummeting as users are shifting to not clicking on the sources that are cited by ai

1762
03:03:39,420 --> 03:03:49,020
search tools and chat bots this is so bad like uh search traffic to business insiders uh to business

1763
03:03:49,020 --> 03:03:58,140
insider has reportedly dropped 55 between april 2022 and april 2025 as a result business insider

1764
03:03:58,140 --> 03:04:05,100
has cut roughly 21 of its staff last month citing the need to endure extreme traffic drops outside

1765
03:04:05,100 --> 03:04:11,020
of our control google and other ai companies will likely continue to see legal challenges in regards

1766
03:04:11,020 --> 03:04:17,740
to scraping copyrighted materials uh the news media alliance ceo stated uh links were the last

1767
03:04:17,740 --> 03:04:22,940
redeeming quality of search that gave publishers traffic and revenue now google just take takes

1768
03:04:22,940 --> 03:04:29,660
content by force and uses it with no return the definition of theft yeah the doj remedies must

1769
03:04:29,660 --> 03:04:35,500
address this to prevent continued domination of the internet by one company or a handful of companies

1770
03:04:35,500 --> 03:04:39,900
i guess but that was a direct quote yeah um according to cloud flair ceo matthew prince

1771
03:04:40,540 --> 03:04:47,420
10 years ago google crawled two pages for every visitor it sent to a publisher six months ago

1772
03:04:47,420 --> 03:04:56,380
that ratio for google was six to one while open ai was 250 to one and anthropic was 6000 to one

1773
03:04:57,260 --> 03:05:06,060
now for google it is 18 to one for open ai it is 1500 to one and for anthropic it is 60 000 to one

1774
03:05:07,260 --> 03:05:13,020
cloud flare is working on a tool that will obstruct bots that ignore no crawl directives

1775
03:05:13,820 --> 03:05:18,060
um we are we have even i don't think we even bothered to implement no crawl directives because

1776
03:05:18,060 --> 03:05:22,700
we had absolutely no faith whatsoever that they uh would actually would actually do anything if

1777
03:05:22,700 --> 03:05:26,540
cloud flare could implement this though i guess we probably would hey but i mean realistically

1778
03:05:26,540 --> 03:05:30,940
they've stolen the vast majority of the data that they could want from us anyway for something like

1779
03:05:30,940 --> 03:05:38,220
the LTT forum that's probably the greatest example of a treasure trove of of data that you know we

1780
03:05:38,220 --> 03:05:43,260
have and now every ai company has because they would have just scraped it from our site so we've

1781
03:05:43,260 --> 03:05:46,700
had discussions about this turning on cloud flair's version because we have cloud flare on all our

1782
03:05:46,700 --> 03:05:55,100
sites um i don't remember if this is a known factor or if it's a theory i genuinely don't remember

1783
03:05:55,660 --> 03:06:01,500
but it was brought up that your ranking would be hurt by doing this oh by not allowing crawling

1784
03:06:01,500 --> 03:06:06,780
not allowing uh yeah this type of crawling uh because they could still like page rank you

1785
03:06:06,780 --> 03:06:12,540
and have you show up in results but now you're less valuable to google or whoever else so maybe

1786
03:06:12,540 --> 03:06:16,540
they just bury you yikes and then sure you didn't get crawled so people that have to go to your

1787
03:06:16,540 --> 03:06:20,460
website to get your information dude original content might just go elsewhere original content

1788
03:06:20,460 --> 03:06:24,540
is going to die this is why we need little guy this was a whole this is the whole reason i thought of

1789
03:06:24,540 --> 03:06:30,060
the solution like i just i can't i can't do right i don't know this is not even a little guy we need

1790
03:06:30,060 --> 03:06:36,620
even the the big guys to survive i mean say what you will about you know news media and people have

1791
03:06:36,700 --> 03:06:41,260
varying levels of trust in the varying news organizations

1792
03:06:44,140 --> 03:06:51,260
is there maybe still a consensus that there is a place in the world for professionally sourced

1793
03:06:51,260 --> 03:06:59,740
and curated news but do we just want do we just want everything in low resolution videos on twitter

1794
03:07:00,700 --> 03:07:05,020
if you look at if you look at how people use these types of tools

1795
03:07:06,380 --> 03:07:10,860
i think you're gonna see people like if you ask them if you did a survey we had a survey earlier

1796
03:07:10,860 --> 03:07:14,380
in this show where we didn't necessarily agree with the results of the survey if you did a

1797
03:07:14,380 --> 03:07:20,220
survey and you asked people do you think having like actual news agencies is like good and stuff

1798
03:07:20,860 --> 03:07:25,500
probably there's gonna be some people saying no but overall i think people are gonna be like oh

1799
03:07:25,500 --> 03:07:32,220
yeah we should probably have real news still um and then those same people that say that are gonna

1800
03:07:32,220 --> 03:07:38,140
go and use ai summaries and move on because it's easier and ultimately they don't care we see this

1801
03:07:38,140 --> 03:07:42,860
with vote with your wallet all the time like is is is micro transaction monetization in games

1802
03:07:42,860 --> 03:07:47,340
gone too far and is it like super definitely a bad thing oh 99 percent of people say yes

1803
03:07:48,460 --> 03:07:54,220
how many people engage with micro transactions in games enough way more than enough so it's

1804
03:07:56,460 --> 03:08:02,940
i don't know like jennison say 925 says real general journalism is a lost art it's now all

1805
03:08:02,940 --> 03:08:08,940
meant to drive clicks sad face but that's exactly what he just said yeah it's because people didn't

1806
03:08:08,940 --> 03:08:16,220
engage yeah with real journalism they just read the summary or they uh it's because of user behavior

1807
03:08:17,340 --> 03:08:27,340
everything is driven by user behavior and wallets like it's here's a oh man here's a really spicy hot take

1808
03:08:30,860 --> 03:08:33,980
uh oh i think a lot of nintendo games don't have tons of micro transactions right

1809
03:08:35,100 --> 03:08:41,340
i'd rather pay you bucks yeah that is a hot take uh david actually specifically said that in our

1810
03:08:41,340 --> 03:08:46,780
switch to review and a lot of the really negative comments on the video are about that yeah um

1811
03:08:47,260 --> 03:08:51,900
sure and it's it's one of those things where it was interesting as david and i were working

1812
03:08:51,900 --> 03:08:56,380
through that script one of the one of the challenges that we have now as an organization

1813
03:08:56,380 --> 03:09:04,140
whenever we talk about anything up the switch to yeah i didn't say that at all down why do you hate

1814
03:09:04,140 --> 03:09:13,020
hot dogs um yeah one of the one of the big challenges that we have is that as the perception

1815
03:09:13,020 --> 03:09:19,660
of me has changed over time uh it has become extremely difficult for me to make any kind

1816
03:09:19,660 --> 03:09:27,900
of statement around value of a product right um or affordability like i could look at something like

1817
03:09:27,900 --> 03:09:35,580
the switch to and be like hey these games are are going to be are the the unaffordability of

1818
03:09:35,580 --> 03:09:40,620
these games is could have an impact on the success of this console i could say something like that

1819
03:09:40,620 --> 03:09:46,460
and there would be a not insignificant number of people who would rightly make the observation that

1820
03:09:46,460 --> 03:09:51,740
no you can afford it the twenty dollar difference in the games means nothing to you you youtuber

1821
03:09:51,740 --> 03:09:58,300
it's coming to the earth right um and so one of the things that you know david and i talked through

1822
03:09:58,300 --> 03:10:04,060
so he wrote the script and then i in my role as editor not video editor but editor of the script

1823
03:10:04,940 --> 03:10:10,140
went through it and we kind of worked together on which paragraphs each of us would deliver because

1824
03:10:10,620 --> 03:10:18,220
we felt we both spent time with the console um and uh we both worked actually together quite a lot on

1825
03:10:18,220 --> 03:10:23,500
the um the the pre-release video that we did kind of summarizing all the rumors and stuff so david

1826
03:10:23,500 --> 03:10:28,220
and i've been kind of like team switched to for for the content that we've done around it and one

1827
03:10:28,220 --> 03:10:34,620
of the things that we talked about is like realistically it would cause less of a complete

1828
03:10:34,620 --> 03:10:40,700
storm if he was the one who delivered the paragraph with it was actually it was his take

1829
03:10:40,700 --> 03:10:46,140
interesting but deciding who would actually read it because we we worked together and like i'm all

1830
03:10:46,140 --> 03:10:49,740
about consensus building we're not always going to agree on everything and you might have noticed

1831
03:10:49,740 --> 03:10:55,100
that in scripts in the past where i would say yeah the writer of this script felt x i actually feel

1832
03:10:55,100 --> 03:11:00,940
y take that for what it is right just fine yeah um so in this case david and i actually agreed um

1833
03:11:01,820 --> 03:11:04,700
and it was very much what you were saying he was saying like look

1834
03:11:05,420 --> 03:11:13,260
in the age of microtransaction hell if what it takes for nintendo for it to be worth nintendo's

1835
03:11:13,260 --> 03:11:21,500
time to continue to create bespoke single player and couch couch co-op and competitive experiences

1836
03:11:21,500 --> 03:11:28,300
is another 20 bucks in their wallets then i'll pay it especially when it's for kids like i'm just

1837
03:11:28,300 --> 03:11:34,700
going to pay for fewer of them yeah and maybe i'm gonna doesn't mean i can afford it just because

1838
03:11:34,700 --> 03:11:40,380
i understand does not mean i can afford it these things can be different and um and it was and i

1839
03:11:40,380 --> 03:11:45,260
think that if he hadn't been the one to say it uh it probably would have faced even more backlash

1840
03:11:45,260 --> 03:11:52,380
over it sure it's just like i but that's a that's a hot take now like even just for the idea of not

1841
03:11:52,460 --> 03:11:59,020
having that in the game i'm willing to spend more money personally i hate even seeing it it

1842
03:11:59,020 --> 03:12:04,780
like actually bothers me like i'll play a single player game and go like oh i can buy more like

1843
03:12:04,780 --> 03:12:11,260
golden resources in this single player game by a microtransaction i am now almost certain

1844
03:12:11,900 --> 03:12:17,020
that my progression systems are going to be messed up so it's way harder to get those resources

1845
03:12:17,020 --> 03:12:21,180
because they want me to use the microtransaction system or at least the developers were not

1846
03:12:21,180 --> 03:12:25,980
necessarily given enough time to like balance the resource income because it's not where there's

1847
03:12:25,980 --> 03:12:30,940
a company when players could just buy extra ones um like that's immediately my takeaway it's it's

1848
03:12:30,940 --> 03:12:35,180
same with cheating right if cheating passes a certain threshold in a game now you're suspicious

1849
03:12:35,180 --> 03:12:39,660
about every single interaction you have where it's like no i don't want to sit here and be

1850
03:12:39,660 --> 03:12:44,460
suspicious about the game i just want to enjoy the game especially if you're like uh letting a

1851
03:12:44,460 --> 03:12:50,860
kid play this game normalizing the idea of microtransactions to a child sucks so i don't know

1852
03:12:51,180 --> 03:12:55,340
it is what it is

1853
03:12:58,700 --> 03:13:02,700
all right see people seem to have kind of chilled a little bit on this seems like it yeah my chat

1854
03:13:02,700 --> 03:13:09,500
was frozen for a bit uh do you want to talk about more ai ad horribleness yeah i i love the i love

1855
03:13:09,500 --> 03:13:18,140
our title uh and shad ification oh yeah ai ad products are here tiktok is rolling out a new ai

1856
03:13:18,140 --> 03:13:24,140
powered advertising or sorry rolling out new ai powered advertising features including the ability

1857
03:13:24,140 --> 03:13:30,220
to upload an image of a product or write a short text prompt and produce five second video clips

1858
03:13:30,220 --> 03:13:36,620
that can be used in an ad it's part of tiktok's existing symphony product which already lets

1859
03:13:36,620 --> 03:13:42,940
advertisers use ai enhance spokespeople avatars to help promote and sell products it's interesting

1860
03:13:42,940 --> 03:13:49,020
when a platform promotes the idea of replacing the creators on the platform uh amazon's improving

1861
03:13:49,020 --> 03:13:53,900
it's not the creators so much as the advertisers ai enhance spokespeople avatars

1862
03:13:55,980 --> 03:14:02,540
i can see what you mean so why pay a popular tiktoker but but these would be like random they

1863
03:14:02,540 --> 03:14:08,460
wouldn't actually be like recognizable as a tiktoker yeah but like i think to a certain degree

1864
03:14:08,460 --> 03:14:14,460
what you're paying for is to end up in people's feeds um no yeah i don't know it's a blurry line

1865
03:14:14,460 --> 03:14:19,820
amazon's improving their generative ai ad creation tool by allowing advertisers to create realistic

1866
03:14:19,820 --> 03:14:26,060
high motion shots of their products in use transform still images this should so not be okay

1867
03:14:26,060 --> 03:14:30,620
transform still images to movement with a single click and offer more creative options for brands

1868
03:14:30,620 --> 03:14:37,900
of all sizes uh the next one is not whatsapp too uh ads are finally starting to appear

1869
03:14:37,900 --> 03:14:43,900
in whatsapp as of monday uh the only big visible on the updates tab and the company says those who

1870
03:14:43,900 --> 03:14:49,340
use the app only to chat with friends and family won't what else you do i don't use what's that

1871
03:14:49,340 --> 03:14:53,900
that much uh won't see any change the whatsapp experience for now

1872
03:15:03,820 --> 03:15:10,300
he's so practiced at that reddit has a new tool for advertisers called conversion summary add-on

1873
03:15:10,860 --> 03:15:20,540
it lets brad's showcase positive brands only brad's only brad's it lets nailed it

1874
03:15:22,780 --> 03:15:29,020
it lets brands showcase positive you suppose or sentiment summaries below their ad creative

1875
03:15:31,020 --> 03:15:37,740
great oh great if your name's brad i guess um yeah so i hate all of it

1876
03:15:37,980 --> 03:15:46,220
yeah i the generative stuff for products is messed up because it's very often you get stuff wrong

1877
03:15:46,220 --> 03:15:49,660
what's up how's it going we can we can close

1878
03:15:52,940 --> 03:15:56,940
this is serious do you want to try to do the same nope it's fine okay you got to tell me this

1879
03:15:56,940 --> 03:16:03,340
though okay we've talked about this extensively on the show we can be uncomfortable about ai

1880
03:16:03,580 --> 03:16:12,220
we can even hate it yes we could think it sucks yes um okay we've also talked extensively on the

1881
03:16:12,220 --> 03:16:20,620
show about how at the end of the day cat's out of the bag horses bolted from the barn yeah pandora's

1882
03:16:20,620 --> 03:16:29,500
box is open should we do ai ads for a transfer industry driver no and i can explain why yeah and

1883
03:16:29,500 --> 03:16:32,860
i don't think it's just a need for me oh hold on i should hold on i should finish i should finish

1884
03:16:32,860 --> 03:16:37,020
okay the conversations that we've had in the past around now that it's now that it's out there

1885
03:16:37,020 --> 03:16:43,500
is it's basically it's out there now and we've talked about how you know if you want to succeed in

1886
03:16:43,500 --> 03:16:50,060
the workplace learning to use ai it's not even just a you got to keep up to speed in general you

1887
03:16:50,060 --> 03:16:57,020
you have to you have to keep up so then i guess what i'm asking is as a company should we do what

1888
03:16:57,020 --> 03:17:03,100
literally everyone else will be doing and use ai to pump out creative to market their products

1889
03:17:03,100 --> 03:17:11,740
or should we not i don't think so um and if you want to hand it over i can i can partially explain

1890
03:17:11,740 --> 03:17:16,780
why although i think this is going to be true in some form for practically everything with the

1891
03:17:16,780 --> 03:17:21,660
you're talking about the positives it won't open right now because the bits are all jammed i don't

1892
03:17:21,660 --> 03:17:26,300
don't worry about it right now don't don't shake it yeah sure you're talking about the positives

1893
03:17:26,300 --> 03:17:30,620
of like the i don't know what it's called but the particular plastic that you used uh that

1894
03:17:30,620 --> 03:17:35,580
now gene also uses and whatever else a lot of that's going to come down into the appearance

1895
03:17:35,580 --> 03:17:44,140
sure yeah if using an ai ad and i know there are ai ad generating services where you drop an image

1896
03:17:44,140 --> 03:17:47,980
of the thing that you're selling and it tries to use that image as much as possible

1897
03:17:48,060 --> 03:17:51,740
but it is going to manipulate that image absolutely if you actually want to sell

1898
03:17:51,740 --> 03:17:55,660
your product on the merits of your product you need to have actual shots of it now

1899
03:17:57,100 --> 03:18:03,500
if we wanted to have like the intro of the video the ai influence and it doesn't show off the product

1900
03:18:03,500 --> 03:18:07,740
but it you know classic ad thing where it shows off like oh this horrible scenario that would be

1901
03:18:07,740 --> 03:18:13,420
better if i actually had it and then it goes into actual real coverage of the actual real product

1902
03:18:13,420 --> 03:18:19,180
i think that's fine and i think we've already kind of done it is it or are we literally eating the

1903
03:18:19,180 --> 03:18:23,900
snake eating our own tail or not the snake but are we eating our own are we eating our own tail

1904
03:18:23,900 --> 03:18:33,500
because our job is to like i mean i feel like that's sort of ironic use um where's the line

1905
03:18:34,380 --> 03:18:39,500
i mean that's a good question i like that's that's why we're having this conversation because i mean

1906
03:18:39,500 --> 03:18:45,500
this is uh here this is from uh from from chat where am i finding yeah so hathos says the world

1907
03:18:45,500 --> 03:18:52,300
will be using ai for ads you have two options you can use ai today or you can start using ai in a

1908
03:18:52,300 --> 03:19:02,300
few years my main line is when it could mislead or improperly influence the consumer sure i mean

1909
03:19:02,300 --> 03:19:09,020
well okay that we obviously wouldn't want to do but companies are doing now it is already happening

1910
03:19:09,500 --> 03:19:15,100
because the ai interpretation of the product is not always perfect this is this really interesting

1911
03:19:15,100 --> 03:19:22,780
to see people's takes on this because a lot of people's concerns um i feel are not really not

1912
03:19:22,780 --> 03:19:28,700
really the questions i'm asking because there's no way that we would that we would not have a human

1913
03:19:28,700 --> 03:19:32,540
review something at some point to make sure that it is actually representative of the product right

1914
03:19:32,620 --> 03:19:39,500
like to your point um like uh like what did someone what did someone say but even then there's

1915
03:19:39,500 --> 03:19:44,780
very very small things that like one person reviewing a thing might not notice um we have

1916
03:19:44,780 --> 03:19:49,180
experience with this we have a review process for videos internally it can often go through

1917
03:19:49,180 --> 03:19:55,020
quite a few hands but there will be one really small thing that people don't notice and 99.9

1918
03:19:55,020 --> 03:19:59,820
percent of the audience doesn't notice either but well that little point one somebody will notice it

1919
03:19:59,820 --> 03:20:03,740
and then they'll mention it and then everybody sees it from like many pandas says ai hallucinates

1920
03:20:03,740 --> 03:20:10,620
it gets things wrong and that's totally true but in the case of like you know using it to generate

1921
03:20:10,620 --> 03:20:17,420
a bunch of different uh a bunch of different colors of backgrounds for like a product photo

1922
03:20:17,420 --> 03:20:22,860
or something like that it kind of doesn't matter it does what's wrong in the background

1923
03:20:22,860 --> 03:20:28,780
hold on hold on if you if you if the product photo is like was taken by an actual photographer

1924
03:20:28,780 --> 03:20:33,900
and is the real product and you're just like you know what is the more eye catching background

1925
03:20:33,900 --> 03:20:38,860
color whatever generating a layer yeah so it's not generating it an entirely new picture just

1926
03:20:38,860 --> 03:20:48,060
the layer um so but but but however however holy crap we're a media company literally we like you

1927
03:20:48,060 --> 03:20:54,620
know do graphic design and and and and photography and videography and and you know you talk about

1928
03:20:54,620 --> 03:21:00,460
like uh ai tiktok spokespeople and i'm kind of sitting here going wait wait wait wait hold on

1929
03:21:00,460 --> 03:21:05,260
a second if you want like a spokesperson for your tech thing or whatever i thought that i thought

1930
03:21:05,260 --> 03:21:10,300
that was like you know potentially my job right my line has always i don't know if i can say my line

1931
03:21:10,300 --> 03:21:15,100
has always been this because we've been talking about this for a long time but the line that i've

1932
03:21:15,100 --> 03:21:21,100
been on for a long time now is that you you don't use its output right but you can use it as a

1933
03:21:21,180 --> 03:21:27,340
research tool you can use it as a rubber ducky so there's the the whole rubber ducky concept

1934
03:21:27,340 --> 03:21:32,380
where you you talk about your issue out loud until like an object or something because it can

1935
03:21:32,380 --> 03:21:39,660
actually help you think through things um i use ai often these days but i never use its output i'll

1936
03:21:39,660 --> 03:21:49,660
ask it for feedback um like i think i think a lot of names of products might dodge international

1937
03:21:49,740 --> 03:21:56,780
issues if they asked like does this word mean anything in any other language

1938
03:21:58,140 --> 03:22:01,580
because you hear about products like that all the time um so you could use it for something

1939
03:22:01,580 --> 03:22:07,020
like that yeah someone says read but verify uh not even uh it's not even in verify i don't use

1940
03:22:07,020 --> 03:22:12,700
its output at all like i'll i'll get it to i'll input something to it and ask it for its thoughts

1941
03:22:12,700 --> 03:22:18,940
yeah i don't i don't use its output if it gives me some thoughts i might edit what i wrote but

1942
03:22:18,940 --> 03:22:23,500
i'm editing it myself i'm not going to ask it to edit something for me and then use its output

1943
03:22:24,700 --> 03:22:31,100
so i think you know someone trying to design an ad could use generative ai stuff to to think

1944
03:22:31,100 --> 03:22:36,060
effectively and then a brainstorm i would like our creation to be our own and the reason why i

1945
03:22:36,060 --> 03:22:41,420
say that is because you are effectively stamping this thing as it goes out the door uh with the

1946
03:22:41,420 --> 03:22:47,660
ibm quote right no computer should make a management decision because no computer can be held responsible

1947
03:22:49,020 --> 03:22:52,460
you're stamping saying that you can be held responsible that's the way i see it right so

1948
03:22:52,460 --> 03:22:57,980
that's your job as a human if i send you a message do you think it's from me or if it's from generative

1949
03:22:57,980 --> 03:23:04,300
ai and if it's from generative ai do i get an excuse no of course not exactly so if we're if

1950
03:23:04,300 --> 03:23:08,700
we're gonna put an image of one of our things up online we have to stamp saying that we are owning

1951
03:23:08,700 --> 03:23:15,740
the interesting issues with this image that's an interesting line um and and for me that just means

1952
03:23:15,820 --> 03:23:19,180
you know i'm just not going to use its output for someone else that might mean they're going to

1953
03:23:19,180 --> 03:23:23,660
go through with a fine tooth comb and make sure that they are genuinely fully okay with you and

1954
03:23:23,660 --> 03:23:28,860
for a lot of people they'll just take the slop and most people are going to do that and there's

1955
03:23:28,860 --> 03:23:33,340
already evidence of that and i just i have problems with that because again you look at the video

1956
03:23:33,340 --> 03:23:38,940
review process right we have a really in-depth video review process at this point that goes through

1957
03:23:38,940 --> 03:23:43,660
a lot of people's hands and it honestly takes a long time there's still a lot of stuff that

1958
03:23:43,660 --> 03:23:50,860
makes it through i did some video reviews today um i was like on my phone during a like a like a

1959
03:23:50,860 --> 03:23:57,340
graduating from there from one grade to the next grade stupid ceremony at the school yeah um and

1960
03:23:58,380 --> 03:24:02,620
i don't know between the two of them i think i probably had to make 20 to 30 corrections or

1961
03:24:02,620 --> 03:24:07,180
something like that yep and there's stuff and to be clear that's with a world class team

1962
03:24:07,180 --> 03:24:11,420
like actually though seriously like humans are human and there's stuff that'll get through

1963
03:24:11,500 --> 03:24:17,260
humans hallucinate too yours yeah fun fact take time uh we all are right now sort of

1964
03:24:17,260 --> 03:24:22,540
that's a whole other conversation um wait till after dark yeah yeah yeah but that it can it

1965
03:24:22,540 --> 03:24:27,340
can get through multiple stages of review process including yours including other people's i've done

1966
03:24:27,340 --> 03:24:34,380
it before um and then still have a minor error that goes out yeah um so like if that's true

1967
03:24:34,700 --> 03:24:42,780
i can't really accept but this is why i won't use honestly i i don't think i've thought this before

1968
03:24:42,780 --> 03:24:47,260
yeah but i'm gonna say it now our own review process is one of the reasons why i wouldn't

1969
03:24:47,260 --> 03:24:52,780
use a generative ai's output because i don't necessarily trust myself to spot every single

1970
03:24:52,780 --> 03:24:58,940
little tiny individual potential flaw that's fair because what we see often is that like i said

1971
03:24:58,940 --> 03:25:04,380
earlier 99.9 percent of people aren't going to see this one little issue but the 0.1 percent person

1972
03:25:04,380 --> 03:25:08,380
does and then they comment on it and then everyone sees it and then it's a problem okay so i'd rather

1973
03:25:08,380 --> 03:25:15,500
those be my problems so how's this for a potential like sort of policy vision right because i don't

1974
03:25:15,500 --> 03:25:20,220
i don't know if we have a clear internal policy on the use of ai we've obviously used it a handful

1975
03:25:20,220 --> 03:25:24,460
of times i've had discussions within my own teams but i don't think we do company-wide so how's how's

1976
03:25:24,780 --> 03:25:30,860
this for like a policy vision is like basically at the end of the day it boils down to accountability

1977
03:25:30,860 --> 03:25:36,460
yes we wouldn't dictate to you whether you can use a hammer or a motorized drill to do that work

1978
03:25:37,820 --> 03:25:41,820
but what we will dictate to you is what the expectations are for the quality of the output

1979
03:25:41,820 --> 03:25:47,980
and what your responsibility will be for said quality and for said delivery timeline so i think

1980
03:25:47,980 --> 03:25:56,540
that is generally fair however however you know would we ever it's not usually the individual's

1981
03:25:56,540 --> 03:26:01,660
reputation that is on the line unfortunately it's often yours well yeah because the the audience just

1982
03:26:01,660 --> 03:26:05,660
decides that every single thing that this over a hundred person company does is actually just you

1983
03:26:06,620 --> 03:26:15,260
so then there's like so maybe this line needs to be more aggressive than it seems on the surface

1984
03:26:15,340 --> 03:26:19,980
because in a way we're actually protecting like there's there's a lot of there's a lot

1985
03:26:19,980 --> 03:26:23,740
of output like that at the company right and it would reflect negatively on the company

1986
03:26:23,740 --> 03:26:28,460
if somebody did just publish ai slop and then do you really want managers to have to micromanage

1987
03:26:28,460 --> 03:26:32,060
the point where they're combing through every single thing that everyone does all the time

1988
03:26:33,180 --> 03:26:38,540
it gets to be kind of a lot and has the same flaws as other things so i do generally agree

1989
03:26:38,540 --> 03:26:43,420
with the line that you drew that i like that line well it was based on your line so but the way

1990
03:26:43,420 --> 03:26:48,460
that you said it okay i like it thanks i did good that was that's management yeah you know you take

1991
03:26:48,460 --> 03:26:54,700
the you take the employee suggestion and you reframe it a little bit you reframe it and yeah

1992
03:26:54,700 --> 03:27:02,060
and this is my idea leadership i think that's maybe a bad lesson that's what you learn in

1993
03:27:02,060 --> 03:27:08,700
management 101 and i don't know if anyone in management ever made it past first year so that's

1994
03:27:08,780 --> 03:27:15,580
all anyone knows but yeah i there is so i like the line if they did they'd probably be engineers

1995
03:27:15,580 --> 03:27:23,580
instead no offense no offense mba's are real degrees yeah i i i like the line but the the

1996
03:27:23,580 --> 03:27:29,980
unique circumstances that this company is in with certain things that we do yeah um makes it tough

1997
03:27:29,980 --> 03:27:35,260
yeah yeah well that's that's the thing right is there's there's there's gonna be in in the tech

1998
03:27:35,260 --> 03:27:42,300
savvy cohort that we cater to right there's going to be a lot of emotional elements to this as well

1999
03:27:42,300 --> 03:27:48,380
yeah like i saw people in Floatplane chat that are like the second i see an ai generated anything

2000
03:27:48,380 --> 03:27:54,220
in an ad for an LTT product i'm i'm canceling my subscription and it's like you know like fair

2001
03:27:54,220 --> 03:28:00,860
enough right like i already happened has it we have ai influence in our ads i guess it's not else

2002
03:28:00,860 --> 03:28:07,340
well has there ever been any for LTT products i don't think so because it's just been external

2003
03:28:07,340 --> 03:28:16,220
brands yeah i'm not sure um and so you know i so so i'm you know duly noted um

2004
03:28:18,860 --> 03:28:22,060
and i just i have a there's there's a conversation that happened in the lab

2005
03:28:23,100 --> 03:28:29,420
yeah we have people writing Labs articles right now or we have a writer selected but they haven't

2006
03:28:29,420 --> 03:28:35,340
started yet so we have non writers writing Labs articles um and honestly in my opinion i think

2007
03:28:35,340 --> 03:28:41,420
they've been doing a great job um there's some really cool Labs articles up but um the question

2008
03:28:41,420 --> 03:28:49,900
came up of like you know i'm not necessarily a writer can i use this to help me and we had a

2009
03:28:49,900 --> 03:28:56,140
discussion but it ultimately came down to like your name is on the document when when someone's on

2010
03:28:56,140 --> 03:29:04,780
the site and they're reading this thing it says written by you if and like not only that but again

2011
03:29:04,780 --> 03:29:11,900
there's the perception of like if we're writing a thing about something technical um and no this is

2012
03:29:11,900 --> 03:29:18,060
not okay i'll try to read into stuff too much this did not result in an employee action at all um

2013
03:29:18,380 --> 03:29:20,380
um the

2014
03:29:22,220 --> 03:29:26,460
if if something is wrong in there not only does it reflect negatively on the person whose name

2015
03:29:26,460 --> 03:29:31,180
is on the article which it will absolutely but it'll reflect negatively on the company it'll

2016
03:29:31,180 --> 03:29:34,620
end up reflecting negatively on you because of the conversation that we just had reasonably

2017
03:29:34,620 --> 03:29:42,620
all right sorry recently it's i don't like it i don't like using its output i don't want words

2018
03:29:42,620 --> 03:29:50,540
that were output by an ai to end up in text on the lab's website yeah because well it just shouldn't

2019
03:29:50,540 --> 03:29:51,180
be necessary

2020
03:29:54,700 --> 03:29:59,820
yeah and like i absolutely you can use its influence yeah i mean you i know that you've

2021
03:29:59,820 --> 03:30:07,900
done tone passes i do tone passes literally daily yeah always but it and it i'll even ask it like

2022
03:30:07,900 --> 03:30:13,180
i'm not asking for a fixed version just give me input and it'll be like if you want some help with

2023
03:30:13,180 --> 03:30:18,300
that here's a rewritten version i just don't use those yeah um but i absolutely use it for what

2024
03:30:18,300 --> 03:30:25,100
about an outline sure mm-hmm like there's there's absolute i use it for helping me with writing

2025
03:30:25,100 --> 03:30:32,220
stuff all the time but it's it's about owning the output um and the way that i do that to just

2026
03:30:32,220 --> 03:30:38,220
kind of shortcut the question of it is i just don't have it right for me some people might want

2027
03:30:38,220 --> 03:30:42,780
it to write for them but then you you still have to only output it's it's going to reflect on you

2028
03:30:42,780 --> 03:30:43,580
it will happen

2029
03:30:47,180 --> 03:30:52,140
i gotta say it's it's interesting you talk about it that way because um i've i've been trying to

2030
03:30:52,140 --> 03:30:58,380
figure out why i don't use it because i i think you know that i don't i still i i type it about

2031
03:30:58,380 --> 03:31:05,100
a hundred a hundred and ten hundred and twenty sometimes words per minute so like for me typing

2032
03:31:05,100 --> 03:31:13,340
is not a major um burden when it comes to conveying my thoughts um like i type like not quite at the

2033
03:31:13,340 --> 03:31:22,700
speed of thought but like kind of as fast as i i need to be able to um and i um oh shoot i was

2034
03:31:22,700 --> 03:31:25,740
going somewhere with that it doesn't matter the point the point is just that i've been trying

2035
03:31:25,740 --> 03:31:36,620
to figure out why why i don't use it and it's um i think what it is is that the burden of

2036
03:31:36,620 --> 03:31:42,300
checking someone else's work right right right that's where i was going with this um so so typing is

2037
03:31:42,300 --> 03:31:49,980
is not a hindrance to me for getting my thoughts down and so it is actually less work for me

2038
03:31:49,980 --> 03:31:58,860
to put my own thoughts onto a page than it is to have someone else in this case a an llm

2039
03:31:59,660 --> 03:32:06,620
you know um rearrange them or rewrite them or reword them in such a way that i will have to

2040
03:32:06,620 --> 03:32:11,420
go through it with a fine tooth comb to figure out if there's any i wouldn't trust a trust a

2041
03:32:11,420 --> 03:32:18,380
rearrange personally um and so and so i think you i think you nailed it i think the reason

2042
03:32:18,380 --> 03:32:24,220
that i don't use it then is because whether i made the decision consciously or or didn't

2043
03:32:24,220 --> 03:32:30,220
it is actually a greater mental burden for me to check someone else's work than it is to simply

2044
03:32:30,220 --> 03:32:35,020
output my own and therefore most people won't and they'll just publish the output which is why i ask

2045
03:32:35,020 --> 03:32:40,300
it things like what it thinks of the tone of something because it doesn't even give me output

2046
03:32:40,300 --> 03:32:45,420
well unless it just decides it's going to right but then i just ignore that part i i just want

2047
03:32:45,420 --> 03:32:52,060
its opinion on the thing and sometimes honestly i'll be like i'm looking for this tone uh does

2048
03:32:52,060 --> 03:32:55,740
it match that or i might not be looking for a specific tone i'm just interested in what it

2049
03:32:55,740 --> 03:33:04,140
thinks so like um can you do a uh man what is my line can you do uh i have a specific prompt

2050
03:33:04,140 --> 03:33:08,140
i don't remember what's on my head um sentiment can you do a sentiment analysis there we go

2051
03:33:08,140 --> 03:33:11,980
can you do a sentiment analysis on this and then it'll it'll let me know and sometimes

2052
03:33:12,060 --> 03:33:16,620
it'll be like oh i think it's too much this way or whatever but i read it's prompt and

2053
03:33:16,620 --> 03:33:21,340
then i read my thing again and it's like no like this is just how me and that person communicate

2054
03:33:21,340 --> 03:33:27,340
so i won't necessarily agree with it like i you shouldn't just take it uh as a for sure but

2055
03:33:27,340 --> 03:33:32,700
the kid across the street asks uh would humanize a i fix that truthfully i have no idea and i kind

2056
03:33:32,700 --> 03:33:42,860
of don't care um rest assured says it's much less work for me to read and understand than to

2057
03:33:42,860 --> 03:33:48,220
write i guess my issue with that though is that you still have to write yeah like that's the thing

2058
03:33:48,780 --> 03:33:56,700
you still have to write if you want to fix it um and in some ways it can be more complicated

2059
03:33:57,500 --> 03:34:03,100
and take this from someone whose literal job it has been for over a decade now

2060
03:34:03,900 --> 03:34:11,260
whose job it has been to take other people's output and then revoice it into something that

2061
03:34:11,260 --> 03:34:19,340
is appealing to the LTT audience it is extremely mentally taxing to and and you've done script

2062
03:34:19,340 --> 03:34:24,540
reviews with people yeah i've done a bunch i still do them actually it is extremely mentally taxing

2063
03:34:24,540 --> 03:34:34,060
and in many cases until you've invested tens even let's say let's say tens of hours at least tens of

2064
03:34:34,060 --> 03:34:44,300
hours into training um there's absolutely no hope whatsoever that it will not be very burdensome to

2065
03:34:44,300 --> 03:34:50,540
do it um and if there's something that you know you feel is very important to include the odds

2066
03:34:50,540 --> 03:34:55,980
that it will flow well from what they've given you to you being able to just kind of insert it and

2067
03:34:55,980 --> 03:35:04,220
make minor changes is pretty pretty low um and here's another sidebar thing yeah i think it's

2068
03:35:04,220 --> 03:35:11,100
terrible at writing it depends what you're after like we have a we have a video coming up on that

2069
03:35:11,100 --> 03:35:19,580
those uh those wacko 48 gig um 40 90s that you can get on like ebay and stuff so the they're like

2070
03:35:19,580 --> 03:35:26,940
modified with double the memory yeah and like if you get it to just like write a goofy um

2071
03:35:29,100 --> 03:35:34,780
you know i can appreciate it for what it is i asked it to write a short story about

2072
03:35:35,740 --> 03:35:41,180
nicholas ploof the man who owned a display and his love of displays or something like that and

2073
03:35:42,380 --> 03:35:51,100
for what it was it it's quirky and funny and like i i i kind of enjoyed parts of reading it but

2074
03:35:51,100 --> 03:35:57,260
you know it's not artful it doesn't have a soul and so i agree with you there but i i don't know

2075
03:35:57,260 --> 03:36:07,580
that it's bad it's just not good i there was a test thing you and i did a while ago on on could we

2076
03:36:08,860 --> 03:36:11,420
detect which parts of something were a i written

2077
03:36:13,260 --> 03:36:18,380
um and i i nailed it if you remember that and for me a lot of it is

2078
03:36:19,260 --> 03:36:29,260
it doesn't feel human yeah and i don't know how and there's certain vibe checks like there's the

2079
03:36:29,820 --> 03:36:36,620
there's the big dash i think it's called n-dash um that like almost no one ever types and ai's

2080
03:36:36,620 --> 03:36:42,380
just like obsessed without putting it all the time um there's like little things like that where

2081
03:36:42,380 --> 03:36:48,380
it's like a pretty surefire way to be like okay yeah um i have literally never once seen you

2082
03:36:49,580 --> 03:36:54,540
in the years that we've been working together use this one symbol and you just use it throughout

2083
03:36:54,540 --> 03:36:58,300
this entire document and then there's a document that you made after that that doesn't use it ever

2084
03:36:59,340 --> 03:37:03,100
and i just don't believe it like there's little things like that that can tip you off

2085
03:37:03,100 --> 03:37:09,820
but there's also just like a certain clunkiness that most humans kind of communicate with

2086
03:37:09,820 --> 03:37:17,740
yeah um netx says ai writes in spock mode yeah too perfect it really it really does um so that's

2087
03:37:17,740 --> 03:37:22,940
usually what tips me off and and one of the like we've been talking when checking out these these

2088
03:37:22,940 --> 03:37:27,740
Labs articles which again i think they've done a i'm i'm like surprised at how little input i've

2089
03:37:27,740 --> 03:37:36,540
had to have because they're actually just pretty good um of like i've said quite a few times like

2090
03:37:36,540 --> 03:37:42,620
this is great it's very human and it sometimes it's like because you're you're bringing more of

2091
03:37:42,620 --> 03:37:48,060
yourself to the article phallaneth says m dashes are apparently used by professional writers a lot

2092
03:37:48,700 --> 03:37:53,100
you know the people that you would want to steal your training data from that makes sense that makes

2093
03:37:53,100 --> 03:38:02,220
a ton of sense actually yeah um i use dashes when i write a lot too Dan uh but i use the small ones

2094
03:38:02,220 --> 03:38:05,740
i definitely have idiosyncrasies in my writing you'll see me use two periods a lot

2095
03:38:06,380 --> 03:38:13,580
yeah i've i kicked that but it took me years so i uh it's because our old prompter software

2096
03:38:15,100 --> 03:38:19,820
could not detect special characters properly and the version of microsoft word that we used

2097
03:38:19,820 --> 03:38:24,140
the default setting back then when we wrote scripts in microsoft word we use google docs now

2098
03:38:24,140 --> 03:38:30,700
actually um but it would automatically turn three periods into a single special character ellipses

2099
03:38:30,700 --> 03:38:35,020
and so if i put three periods after something then it would turn into a special character

2100
03:38:35,020 --> 03:38:40,060
that i would then have to manually go fix unless i remembered to change the settings on microsoft

2101
03:38:40,060 --> 03:38:43,660
word for every computer that i ever sat down at to write something or do a script review and i was

2102
03:38:43,660 --> 03:38:49,740
changing computers like constant always um or i could just type two periods which would tell me

2103
03:38:49,740 --> 03:38:55,420
that it was more than a period it was like a longer pause um but it wouldn't change to a special

2104
03:38:55,420 --> 03:39:01,100
character yeah yeah and i use dashes for the same reason i've never kicked the dashes habit because

2105
03:39:01,100 --> 03:39:06,380
they're like uh a break or a breath for me but in a different way than a period and also in a

2106
03:39:06,380 --> 03:39:11,900
different way than two or three periods like and i can't kick that one i just i will always do it

2107
03:39:14,060 --> 03:39:17,820
jamesh says uh full clean chat i overuse ellipses

2108
03:39:20,220 --> 03:39:28,060
like way overuse them nice uh okay i think that's probably enough talking about everything being

2109
03:39:28,060 --> 03:39:32,460
terrible i don't even remember the core topic oh yeah xbox and AMD join forces i don't think i care

2110
03:39:33,180 --> 03:39:37,500
um something something actually let's push this to next week because i think i do still care

2111
03:39:38,220 --> 03:39:40,860
but i think that it's time to move to after dark all right

2112
03:39:45,900 --> 03:39:50,860
actually if you can find a merge message for luke real quick i may need to wash him

2113
03:39:58,380 --> 03:40:04,140
all right there we go

2114
03:40:07,660 --> 03:40:11,420
let's see what i've got it sounds like you're sitting down i was laying back

2115
03:40:11,420 --> 03:40:13,740
oh actually okay i got you

2116
03:40:15,260 --> 03:40:23,100
ow uh okay yeah ARM um sorry if i'm waving it all over the place no you're good

2117
03:40:23,180 --> 03:40:28,540
look away look away you're good man um i mean just keeping on the same topic maybe

2118
03:40:28,540 --> 03:40:34,940
is a bad idea Linus and luke how do you see the future of gaming in this ai crazy world are we

2119
03:40:34,940 --> 03:40:40,620
just going to end up with games auto-generated for each gamer to fit them perfectly uh that's

2120
03:40:40,620 --> 03:40:46,220
interesting i kind of hope not to be honest because to me that ruins the ability to like kind of

2121
03:40:46,220 --> 03:40:51,500
suggest games to other people uh because if you had a particular experience but it's tailored to you

2122
03:40:51,500 --> 03:40:56,860
that other person might not have that type of particular experience i'm also honestly

2123
03:41:01,260 --> 03:41:08,300
hoping we stay away from live auto-generated ai stuff there's been a couple games where i've

2124
03:41:08,300 --> 03:41:12,700
like been interested in that because you can often mod it in like i'm pretty sure there's a

2125
03:41:12,700 --> 03:41:17,260
skyrim mod that i played with a while ago oh there were some interesting tech demos i think that was

2126
03:41:17,260 --> 03:41:25,420
back when the latency was super huge so you'd be like hey how's it going pause but even are you

2127
03:41:25,420 --> 03:41:32,380
doing the pause are you gonna talk i was going to okay but it's fine okay you get the point yeah um so

2128
03:41:32,380 --> 03:41:40,700
there there was like it's good how about you um yeah the the pause thing would effectively be solved

2129
03:41:41,660 --> 03:41:47,340
but it still doesn't like it still felt so unnatural and i think it felt unnatural because

2130
03:41:47,340 --> 03:41:53,340
of in some cases how natural it felt if that makes sense like i kind of want the game to feel

2131
03:41:53,340 --> 03:41:59,740
like a game it's also hard to tune them perfectly yeah like uh sometimes i'll just be like yelling

2132
03:41:59,740 --> 03:42:09,100
because it doesn't know who did the uh who did the emperor in oblivion oh i think it was Picard

2133
03:42:09,100 --> 03:42:15,500
yeah i never remember his name and it's embarrassing didn't they give him like a 400 page backstory book

2134
03:42:17,180 --> 03:42:22,460
yeah i don't know if that's true or not i i i believe it from the patrick stewart thank you

2135
03:42:22,460 --> 03:42:29,580
from the team at that time i i i believe it personally um but yeah it's i'm not feeling good

2136
03:42:29,580 --> 03:42:35,500
about that i'm feeling pretty okay about ai being involved in the coding and to be fair ai has been

2137
03:42:35,500 --> 03:42:40,700
involved in coding for quite a while now um and it actually doesn't really feel like it's a huge

2138
03:42:41,260 --> 03:42:44,380
problem it's one of the spaces where like i think the developers are pretty on board

2139
03:42:45,900 --> 03:42:53,820
but being what that's a red hot take for me to come back i don't think it is genuinely okay i

2140
03:42:53,820 --> 03:42:59,100
actually know very few developers that are like completely against it there's there's also band

2141
03:42:59,100 --> 03:43:05,100
stack overflow too yeah part of the problem is the range like i i know there's developers that

2142
03:43:05,100 --> 03:43:09,660
are against like vibe coding where you're just asking it for outputs what i'm talking about is

2143
03:43:09,660 --> 03:43:15,820
ai assistance like in your development environment that's been a thing for a long time and i don't

2144
03:43:15,820 --> 03:43:20,860
know them any people that are against it um i'm sure there are some i'm a hundred percent sure

2145
03:43:20,860 --> 03:43:26,780
there's some um but there's a huge difference between like assistance in your development

2146
03:43:26,780 --> 03:43:33,180
environment and vibe coding where it's just filling stuff out for you and then having the ai write the

2147
03:43:33,260 --> 03:43:37,020
actual game the player yeah these are different things yeah there's there's people in chat saying

2148
03:43:37,020 --> 03:43:41,740
like yeah autocomplete is super helpful that's what i'm talking about like smart okay i clearly

2149
03:43:41,740 --> 03:43:49,420
walked in at the wrong moment there sure yeah um but so like that i think is okay um i think we're

2150
03:43:49,420 --> 03:43:56,620
seeing some issues with uh ai art in games where characters are inconsistent i've seen some of that

2151
03:43:57,340 --> 03:44:05,260
i think there's also some issues with in my opinion any any dialogue has been bad

2152
03:44:05,260 --> 03:44:11,900
and i think we'll continue to be bad personally yeah right what else i've got in here hey

2153
03:44:11,900 --> 03:44:17,740
wan.dll what are the things that you regret doing or not doing the most throughout LMG history

2154
03:44:17,740 --> 03:44:23,420
although uh this one has two questions in it normally we do one so you can pick between the two

2155
03:44:23,420 --> 03:44:27,100
is antoine's car the most expensive thing that you've had to compensate for your staff

2156
03:44:30,540 --> 03:44:35,580
and what would be something that was really expensive that we had to comp andy's bed

2157
03:44:38,380 --> 03:44:45,180
whose car uh the antoine's car hit by a wrench yeah how did that happen Linus

2158
03:44:45,180 --> 03:44:52,700
well nick threw it because i told him to you're trying to get it on the roof

2159
03:44:53,420 --> 03:44:59,900
oh look if he'd thrown better than it wouldn't have landed on the car um oh my goodness um wow

2160
03:44:59,900 --> 03:45:05,260
oh yeah uh my floor when it was damaged by denis but i never actually replaced it it just

2161
03:45:05,260 --> 03:45:12,140
still has those deep scratches in it um that's not a comp and that's mine so yeah yeah yeah i mean

2162
03:45:12,140 --> 03:45:17,340
technically Linus media group incorporated would have comped it's not it's not my fault that happened

2163
03:45:17,900 --> 03:45:21,900
dude the fact that i took company owes you money you gotta sue yourself dude the fact that i took

2164
03:45:21,980 --> 03:45:29,180
flak over that was so crazy that's because you're like me i was yeah but no no that's not what i

2165
03:45:29,180 --> 03:45:34,540
took flak over oh people were giving me a hard time because it was like i was criticizing denis

2166
03:45:34,540 --> 03:45:37,740
for moving my furniture when i was the one who instructed him to do it but i didn't he was

2167
03:45:37,740 --> 03:45:45,500
hiding in my house like that that's that's the most watched LMG clip and the number of people

2168
03:45:46,300 --> 03:45:51,420
commenting on that video angry at me because if i wanted it moved properly i should have hired

2169
03:45:51,420 --> 03:45:59,500
professional movers like insane is actually completely unhinged this is why the ai summaries

2170
03:45:59,500 --> 03:46:04,220
are gonna work because that's a i think it's not even that long of a clip and people didn't watch it

2171
03:46:05,500 --> 03:46:11,740
yeah um oh no denis in the attic i went and put it through my attic no no no comping something

2172
03:46:11,740 --> 03:46:17,020
has to be when like the company screwed up someone else's stuff and we had to replace it for them

2173
03:46:17,740 --> 03:46:19,580
i don't think that's ever happened with me

2174
03:46:21,580 --> 03:46:26,940
i don't think this happens often yeah i'm trying to think like in the earlier days this is one of

2175
03:46:26,940 --> 03:46:31,420
the earlier days we just wouldn't it this is well no this is one of the reasons that i was always

2176
03:46:31,420 --> 03:46:36,220
pushing like the the our earlier camera guys to not bring their own equipment to work i remember

2177
03:46:36,220 --> 03:46:41,900
this because i didn't want their stuff to get busted or damaged or whatever at work right um

2178
03:46:42,140 --> 03:46:47,740
let's get luke a new car paid for by LTT i don't even really want a new car and also

2179
03:46:48,540 --> 03:46:53,900
uh LTT has never done anything bad to my car i can't think of i can't think of anything

2180
03:46:54,460 --> 03:47:00,460
off the top of my head i can't really think of much i don't think it's happened much no as for

2181
03:47:00,460 --> 03:47:07,820
things that i regret not doing i i regret i regret not water cooling more editing workstations

2182
03:47:07,820 --> 03:47:12,700
we should have done a whole room water cooling here we still can still can all right

2183
03:47:14,860 --> 03:47:23,020
hi wanda dll i work for i work in safety as you grew as a company and added cr how easy or

2184
03:47:23,020 --> 03:47:27,260
difficult did you find implementing formal safety processes or was it something you're

2185
03:47:27,260 --> 03:47:31,420
aware of from the start oh yeah we were super aware of it from the start lots of formal safety

2186
03:47:31,420 --> 03:47:37,980
processes back in the day man if we were cutting something total safety yep if we were if we were

2187
03:47:37,980 --> 03:47:42,460
up on the roof of a of a building speaking of whole room water cooling installing a radiator

2188
03:47:43,180 --> 03:47:47,660
i'm sure that we were wearing the finest of safety harnesses 100 percent

2189
03:47:50,140 --> 03:47:58,540
yeah it's been i don't know it's been kind of a mishmash i feel like the pendulum is kind of

2190
03:47:58,700 --> 03:48:03,100
swung both ways we were very loosey-goosey in the early days and we shouldn't have we should

2191
03:48:03,100 --> 03:48:07,100
have done way better we're kind of lucky that we like have all of our fingers and functioning eyes

2192
03:48:07,100 --> 03:48:16,300
remember that with the tape safety squints or a company issue yeah i know he's talking about

2193
03:48:16,300 --> 03:48:25,100
using clear tape as eye protection no yeah i know that was him there's no way i would come up with

2194
03:48:25,100 --> 03:48:30,220
yeah that tracks it was i didn't actually think it was gonna actually protect maybe for dust yeah

2195
03:48:30,220 --> 03:48:39,500
obviously um chemical burns and you who then i think without before we had like kind of learned

2196
03:48:39,500 --> 03:48:46,940
like guidelines properly we just kind of it was like vibe safety and i think we kind of over did

2197
03:48:46,940 --> 03:48:52,540
it a little bit like we um like we we had an employee at one point they've been gone a long

2198
03:48:52,540 --> 03:48:57,100
time so you won't be able to guess who they were but we had an employee who would throw like

2199
03:48:57,100 --> 03:49:04,620
a conniption like a complete fit anytime there was an open flame near anything to do with anything

2200
03:49:04,620 --> 03:49:13,900
and um you know i'm like i'm talking having a candle on set you know with a person standing

2201
03:49:13,900 --> 03:49:18,060
there with a fire extinguisher was like not enough for this person and it's just like

2202
03:49:18,620 --> 03:49:26,780
dude i don't know calm the f*** down pretty much it's going to be okay i that's not what i said

2203
03:49:26,780 --> 03:49:33,020
i implemented a like no fire policy um because i just like didn't really know how to deal with that

2204
03:49:33,020 --> 03:49:39,100
yeah that's a pretty i mean we don't really do that much with fire no samsung phones got him

2205
03:49:40,140 --> 03:49:46,540
that's wow dated burn um it's good though very dated yeah but a burn for sure um

2206
03:49:48,620 --> 03:49:56,060
he deserves it he you can he's just relaxed he's vibing out i don't ding myself that's not fair

2207
03:49:56,060 --> 03:50:03,500
it was his i said it was a burn sorry i'm out of it now nice there you go um

2208
03:50:06,060 --> 03:50:10,860
anyway i think since then we've kind of like swung back the other way a little bit and i think

2209
03:50:10,860 --> 03:50:18,300
things are pretty reasonable these days um i can't promise that i'll always like you know go get a

2210
03:50:18,300 --> 03:50:25,660
proper ladder to climb a warehouse rack or whatever but like yeah or install a projector

2211
03:50:26,780 --> 03:50:32,700
okay well it shouldn't be other people uh so my line has always been i can basically do whatever

2212
03:50:32,700 --> 03:50:37,660
i want because what am i going to do sue the company it's my own liability um but i can't

2213
03:50:37,660 --> 03:50:44,860
have people under my charge um getting injured so i will i will i will give people a pretty hard

2214
03:50:44,860 --> 03:50:51,500
time if i see them like someone was going to ride that stupid go kart from the um wasting

2215
03:50:51,500 --> 03:50:57,340
money on tech ads video without a helmet and i was like yo no and they were like well you did it and

2216
03:50:57,340 --> 03:51:03,900
i'm like doesn't matter i'm putting you are how do i see this i'm talking as Linus right now i'm

2217
03:51:03,900 --> 03:51:12,380
putting me at risk you are putting me at risk but also lead by example i know i know i should

2218
03:51:12,380 --> 03:51:20,460
i should do better no he's not wrong no he's not wrong no but also both of them yes yeah no

2219
03:51:23,020 --> 03:51:30,860
i don't have a narcissist button for you luke yeah get right yet hello from texas

2220
03:51:30,940 --> 03:51:35,980
in your recent overclocking videos said Intel benchmarks higher than AMD is there any value

2221
03:51:35,980 --> 03:51:40,460
left in synthetic benchmarks if they can't even show accurate relative performance no

2222
03:51:44,380 --> 03:51:49,740
i mean for years we didn't include 3d mark or any other synthetic benchmarks in our GPU reviews

2223
03:51:53,660 --> 03:51:57,740
my mouth is too dry to swallow these are horrible um why do you keep getting them you get them

2224
03:51:57,740 --> 03:52:01,420
every time you get the same thing every time yeah they're just we have a variety of snacks

2225
03:52:01,420 --> 03:52:06,540
there's something to settle my stomach and they're not a lot of calories is there nothing else like

2226
03:52:06,540 --> 03:52:14,380
that not really oh that i saw got it um this candy the figs yeah they're those fig bars those are

2227
03:52:14,380 --> 03:52:20,460
a decent of calories aren't they yeah and yes that i think we're out um yeah no they're they're

2228
03:52:20,460 --> 03:52:26,860
basically they haven't been relevant for pretty much ever um i don't really know what to tell you

2229
03:52:26,940 --> 03:52:29,980
like they they can be a somewhat of an indicator they're a data point

2230
03:52:30,620 --> 03:52:35,580
they're also sometimes people specifically want to like compete on that yeah thing which is fine

2231
03:52:35,580 --> 03:52:41,660
that's totally fine yeah um and i guess there's value in that but it's not technically representative

2232
03:52:41,660 --> 03:52:47,340
anything other than its own uh so competing against itself yeah all right

2233
03:52:48,300 --> 03:52:48,800
okay

2234
03:52:51,980 --> 03:52:58,540
i love sorry i love the opening of this sorry before it other than conduit

2235
03:52:59,180 --> 03:53:02,940
i wonder if this is the same guy i've ever applied to saying conduit i'm sorry if that was me

2236
03:53:03,900 --> 03:53:09,420
helmark says um probably was danis left a week earlier than alex and andy not sure why he left

2237
03:53:09,420 --> 03:53:13,340
it seems like it was on good terms it seems to me it was on good terms too i'm actually

2238
03:53:14,140 --> 03:53:20,540
i'm not it's his news to break but i'm very excited for him i don't think yeah i think he's

2239
03:53:20,540 --> 03:53:27,260
i think he's still uh stealth mode uh they're then conduit sorry guy uh do you guys have any

2240
03:53:27,260 --> 03:53:33,740
home remodel tips tech or not tech my entire home is exposed right now possibilities are endless

2241
03:53:36,380 --> 03:53:41,980
conduit the dude conduit i mean i don't know what to tell you the just the draw to just say

2242
03:53:41,980 --> 03:53:48,380
conduit is so strong run the power now if you if you think about it for longer than i'm going to

2243
03:53:48,380 --> 03:53:52,860
say five seconds if you look at a spot and you think about it for longer than five seconds

2244
03:53:52,860 --> 03:54:00,940
would it be good to have a power outlet there put one there it's like so useful or or hear me out

2245
03:54:00,940 --> 03:54:05,260
put conduit there then you could put anything there actually i don't think you can run high

2246
03:54:05,260 --> 03:54:11,820
voltage ac through conduit seems like a good idea um paint goes a long way even though i've

2247
03:54:11,820 --> 03:54:18,540
never done it i'm still gonna say that think about your heating and cooling yeah if you want to do

2248
03:54:18,540 --> 03:54:23,500
like surround you know surround speaker setup or something somewhere now is the time to run all

2249
03:54:23,500 --> 03:54:28,300
the cables even if you like can't afford the receiver you know the like six thousand dollar

2250
03:54:28,300 --> 03:54:33,660
atmos receiver or whatever yet that that'll be six hundred bucks someday so put the wires in

2251
03:54:34,940 --> 03:54:41,660
i like that which you could do with conduit see my response was reasonable i think it'd be

2252
03:54:41,660 --> 03:54:45,020
cheaper to run the wires now than to run conduit everywhere you'd put a speaker though

2253
03:54:46,620 --> 03:54:51,660
wires cheap conduit is actually pretty costly to run anyway okay i just like conduit

2254
03:54:51,820 --> 03:54:59,100
have you guys seen lossless scaling on steam you can use a second GPU for frame gen while your

2255
03:54:59,100 --> 03:55:04,140
first one does native work would love to see results with a 5090 we have seen it we've been

2256
03:55:04,140 --> 03:55:09,100
wanting to make a video about it for a while we have not gotten to it yet i'm so sorry i'm so sorry

2257
03:55:09,100 --> 03:55:14,700
your tech tips are late we will do it hi gang looking at getting my first house question for

2258
03:55:14,700 --> 03:55:20,300
you guys would you get a retro house and modernize it or buy something with all the new tech already

2259
03:55:21,260 --> 03:55:31,820
installed tough question why are you both doing this because i'm looking around um

2260
03:55:34,460 --> 03:55:38,060
i don't know i think in our area it doesn't help that

2261
03:55:41,500 --> 03:55:45,420
like a lot of stuff you look at like idealized pictures of like cool places online

2262
03:55:46,060 --> 03:55:53,420
a lot of that type of architecture doesn't really exist in bc like at all when i first

2263
03:55:53,420 --> 03:55:57,500
started with my realtor he was like do you have any ideas what you're looking for and i was like

2264
03:55:57,500 --> 03:56:00,860
well i can send you like a bunch of pictures of things that i found online that i like and i

2265
03:56:00,860 --> 03:56:07,180
sent it to him and he legitimately broke down like here are the reasons and the history behind

2266
03:56:07,180 --> 03:56:17,580
why none of this exists here cool oh nice okay bc's like kind of young um yep and full of

2267
03:56:18,220 --> 03:56:26,380
wooden structures a lot of which the really old ones are like not in a great state yep

2268
03:56:26,380 --> 03:56:33,820
because they're made out of wood yeah the bc box um stuff like that so i don't know for us

2269
03:56:34,140 --> 03:56:41,180
yeah it kind of depends um i would also look into the i like the idea of retro house and

2270
03:56:41,180 --> 03:56:46,380
modernize it personally but there's a lot of problems with that and you have to look into

2271
03:56:46,380 --> 03:56:50,700
what are the particular difficulties with this house and then one of the problems with that

2272
03:56:50,700 --> 03:56:54,620
is that the market often moves really fast so by the time you can like come up with an idea

2273
03:56:54,620 --> 03:57:01,420
or a plan it's gone um so it's it's tough i like that option more on the surface

2274
03:57:02,220 --> 03:57:07,740
but it it doesn't always feel like the most realistic andrew 21 19 has the solution though

2275
03:57:09,260 --> 03:57:13,580
minus town that that is the solution realistically to all things

2276
03:57:15,900 --> 03:57:21,820
it's a good idea it's a good idea hello dll i'm a doctor and many of the hospitals i work in

2277
03:57:21,820 --> 03:57:27,420
are now using ai to record patient encounters and help doctors write notes i was wondering how

2278
03:57:27,420 --> 03:57:37,740
non-med people felt about this the answer Linus it's a huge problem i i mean okay actually you

2279
03:57:37,740 --> 03:57:46,460
know what it's not like the stakes are very high sorry i tried to keep a straight piece

2280
03:57:48,780 --> 03:57:53,260
wow sorry did i spit on you no i i think it all got caught by your filter so let's try to see if

2281
03:57:53,260 --> 03:57:59,260
i could see it because it was such a high volume i think there's food bits it was so much material

2282
03:58:01,900 --> 03:58:08,540
i'll put it while i don't change luke's filter very often no dictation is not fine do the number of

2283
03:58:08,540 --> 03:58:15,820
times that dictation does not work and obscures the meaning of what i'm saying is wild like

2284
03:58:16,780 --> 03:58:23,820
literally if dictation worked then texting and driving should be a thing because it should be

2285
03:58:23,820 --> 03:58:27,500
able to just dictate to me whatever someone said and i should be able to dictate back to it and i

2286
03:58:27,500 --> 03:58:33,580
should be able to carry on essentially a phone conversation with text except literally nobody

2287
03:58:33,580 --> 03:58:39,500
has launched that because literally everybody knows that that is not ready no it's not good enough

2288
03:58:39,500 --> 03:58:48,140
i'm sorry i can't even okay carry on hey dupe Dan and dinos love the content me and the so

2289
03:58:48,140 --> 03:58:54,060
just finished playing split fiction wondered if any of you have tried it i tried it very briefly

2290
03:58:54,060 --> 03:58:59,260
in the video with my son where he chooses a console which is not out yet but that was it i

2291
03:58:59,260 --> 03:59:05,420
literally played it for like three minutes um so not yet it looks pretty cool though i have it i

2292
03:59:05,420 --> 03:59:10,780
wanted to play with emma just haven't really found the time yet but we still intend to it's not going

2293
03:59:10,780 --> 03:59:18,060
anywhere so that that like classic classic steen library building mentality oh yeah i'm fair enough

2294
03:59:18,060 --> 03:59:23,900
but that that studio i think it is that has made what it takes to split fiction and

2295
03:59:25,180 --> 03:59:30,780
something else i don't remember there all these like co-op only games that i mean honestly there

2296
03:59:30,860 --> 03:59:37,740
a way out there we go um really cool a way out was very fun that was their first one

2297
03:59:37,740 --> 03:59:42,940
Yvonne and i finished on rival two recently it was fine sweet it's good just something to do something to do

2298
03:59:42,940 --> 03:59:52,860
yeah oh i threw one out i'll find it in a sec when dot d l l i remember when you used to give

2299
03:59:52,860 --> 03:59:58,060
actual tech tips like registry and os tweaks to make the user experience better do you

2300
03:59:59,020 --> 04:00:02,300
do you miss those kinds of vids and why don't you do them anymore when the heck did that and

2301
04:00:02,300 --> 04:00:06,620
when did i ever give a registry tweak what

2302
04:00:09,340 --> 04:00:16,060
is that a thing is that an ai written merge message uh can you not attack our

2303
04:00:16,060 --> 04:00:22,700
yeah i felt bad after i said it jeez i'm sorry okay so this is always this is always i mean it's

2304
04:00:22,700 --> 04:00:29,100
happened but it was usually so do i miss giving tech tips okay we've got a silly project that

2305
04:00:29,100 --> 04:00:38,380
actually includes many useful tips for sound deadening um we've got a very useful tech tip

2306
04:00:38,380 --> 04:00:46,060
for building a uh a really great performance inexpensive pc here's a fun project where we

2307
04:00:46,060 --> 04:00:51,820
talk about you know basically just overclocking um here's a review of a game console i'd say that

2308
04:00:51,820 --> 04:00:58,060
qualifies as a tech tip uh switching to mac for a month i'd say there's a lot of tech tips in there

2309
04:00:58,060 --> 04:01:05,900
things that are good bad about the mac ecosystem uh summary of apples w w d c 2025 here's some news

2310
04:01:05,900 --> 04:01:12,780
about the new xbox console okay this is probably more entertainment we do lots of tech tips uh oh

2311
04:01:12,780 --> 04:01:17,980
we got we poked around in the registry in this one actually showing how Windows recall worked

2312
04:01:17,980 --> 04:01:25,500
when they first launched it how it works now here's a GPU review i don't know it's a really

2313
04:01:26,220 --> 04:01:37,100
interesting narrative that LTT is just entertainment just because something is entertaining doesn't

2314
04:01:37,100 --> 04:01:44,220
mean that it is just entertainment what no i do not miss the days of us giving tech tips

2315
04:01:44,220 --> 04:01:53,580
because they didn't go anywhere here let's continue here's um uh like uh like an AMD

2316
04:01:53,580 --> 04:01:57,260
ultimate tech upgrade i'd say that's more entertainment didn't didn't you do registry

2317
04:01:57,260 --> 04:02:00,620
i'm assuming i didn't watch it i'm assuming you did registry tweaks in the how to set up Windows

2318
04:02:00,620 --> 04:02:06,860
properly video uh actually no there's more to it than that we did get into some some more advanced

2319
04:02:06,860 --> 04:02:11,180
stuff oh wait i think we did end up in the registry at one point yeah you're right all right so we

2320
04:02:11,180 --> 04:02:17,100
had to go back only three weeks to find two videos where we end up in the registry um evaluating

2321
04:02:17,100 --> 04:02:25,180
best system integrator reviewing a vr headset um looking at a an evaporative style cooler with no

2322
04:02:25,180 --> 04:02:38,940
pump um i don't know it's it's it's really weird the way that and i think i think i contributed to it

2323
04:02:38,940 --> 04:02:43,340
i think it's just people i think i contributed to it in a big way i think i talked about how

2324
04:02:43,340 --> 04:02:50,140
we want to make tech entertaining i didn't say it's my fault entirely line it's only not only

2325
04:02:50,140 --> 04:02:55,900
is it entirely it is only Linus's fault there's no one else's fault you're right you're right if

2326
04:02:55,900 --> 04:03:01,660
anything happens it's because it was about me or something press the button oh right just press the

2327
04:03:02,380 --> 04:03:04,380
right

2328
04:03:07,340 --> 04:03:15,020
no i think you know i don't know hit me Dan question for Linus for semi serious gamers who

2329
04:03:15,020 --> 04:03:21,900
don't really do social games what do you recommend steam deck ally or switch to you don't do social

2330
04:03:21,900 --> 04:03:27,420
games you're semi serious are you really considering a switch to yeah that's you want to spend that

2331
04:03:27,420 --> 04:03:33,660
kind of money yeah that's odd um semi serious i mean i don't know get a steam deck steam decks

2332
04:03:33,660 --> 04:03:38,060
it's such bang for the buck price is amazing yeah like the ally is great it's a more powerful

2333
04:03:38,060 --> 04:03:46,300
piece of hardware um and you know especially don't discount the x ally xbox x xbox ally x whatever

2334
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one that's coming is called um you know that that's coming too but they're not price comparable

2335
04:03:52,300 --> 04:03:56,860
right like if you just want to play a lot of games then steam deck is such a such a great

2336
04:03:56,860 --> 04:04:04,540
package wave one og backpack owner back for round two heck yeah has there ever been a service you've

2337
04:04:04,540 --> 04:04:14,300
been banned from and if so why comp to you i guess club penguin um yeah i i um my a plus

2338
04:04:14,300 --> 04:04:23,020
certification was um rescinded when i uh talked about the experience of obtaining it um in a

2339
04:04:23,020 --> 04:04:28,460
video i don't know is that a service that's that's the last thing i can think of that i've been banned

2340
04:04:28,460 --> 04:04:36,460
from i'm trying to think i know i've been banned from things i just don't remember i think i've

2341
04:04:36,460 --> 04:04:41,500
been a public figure for so long that it's sort of inherently it's better to just not engage with me

2342
04:04:41,500 --> 04:04:48,060
if you're if you don't like me rather than like ban me so probably there have been some some risk

2343
04:04:48,060 --> 04:05:00,860
calculations um i'm just assuming that i don't remember my commuter backpack fell off my low

2344
04:05:00,860 --> 04:05:06,060
coffee table and my laptop screen absolutely shattered are there any suggestions for better

2345
04:05:06,060 --> 04:05:15,660
protecting the corners of a laptop when in the commuter bag i mean man we like we do have the

2346
04:05:15,740 --> 04:05:21,740
buffer zone in the bottom because we anticipate that people are going to you know kind of drop

2347
04:05:21,740 --> 04:05:27,900
their bags down a little bit right but um like i don't know what i don't know what to tell you

2348
04:05:27,900 --> 04:05:35,820
it's not a pelican case right so like electronics is heavy high high weight density mass density

2349
04:05:35,820 --> 04:05:42,860
high density that's the word i'm looking for their high density their fragile um i think i think be

2350
04:05:42,940 --> 04:05:51,020
more careful with your stuff might probably be in order um i had a packing sleeve for mine

2351
04:05:51,020 --> 04:05:56,140
in a backpack yeah that's true you can get laptop sleeves and then you can slip the whole sleeve

2352
04:05:56,140 --> 04:06:05,500
with the laptop in it into the into the thing but um taren van hemerd um used to used to always talk

2353
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about uh reducing potential energy whenever whenever he would take uh he would like whenever

2354
04:06:11,820 --> 04:06:15,580
he was going to walk away from a camera that was on a tripod he would he would take it off and he

2355
04:06:15,580 --> 04:06:19,100
would put it on the floor and i'd be like you're coming right back and he'd be like but it has

2356
04:06:19,100 --> 04:06:26,460
lower potential energy there um and so i think reducing the potential energy of the things that

2357
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you value in your life is probably the best advice that i can give here that or that that backpack

2358
04:06:31,580 --> 04:06:35,500
probably shouldn't have been on the coffee table i'm surprised that it was damaged from that low

2359
04:06:35,500 --> 04:06:41,420
even if it wasn't in a backpack but freak accidents happen or if you want to have fun increase

2360
04:06:41,420 --> 04:06:49,100
potential energy yeah drop it from a roof next time yeah that'd be fun it'd be more entertaining

2361
04:06:49,100 --> 04:06:53,980
onto an employee's car hello there what is stopping NVIDIA from always displaying the

2362
04:06:53,980 --> 04:07:00,380
default amount of rops instead of the really available number in tools like GPU z also discount

2363
04:07:00,380 --> 04:07:09,100
free yearly float oh gee payment please yearly is it yeah we'll do it sometime maybe or not sorry

2364
04:07:09,100 --> 04:07:14,860
i am not aware of there being a discrepancy between the number of um

2365
04:07:17,660 --> 04:07:24,220
what there's a discrepancy sorry there's two different numbers for like the like the operations

2366
04:07:24,220 --> 04:07:26,380
pipelines am i missing something here

2367
04:07:29,340 --> 04:07:33,660
sorry i have absolutely no context for this i laser on the Floatplane side of it

2368
04:07:34,380 --> 04:07:39,660
displaying the default amount of rops instead of the really available number in tools like

2369
04:07:39,660 --> 04:07:45,580
GPU z liven says he's talking about when the GPU's were missing rops so those 50 90s okay

2370
04:07:45,580 --> 04:07:53,180
why couldn't they just fake the output in GPU z uh i truthfully am not the developer of GPU z and

2371
04:07:53,180 --> 04:07:59,820
i don't know exactly how they measure it's like magic all of this metadata off the card um that's

2372
04:08:00,060 --> 04:08:05,020
that's a wonderful question for the developer super cool very interesting

2373
04:08:07,500 --> 04:08:16,540
any updates on the zuck shirt no hey luke luke and Dan thoughts on sam altman's take that

2374
04:08:16,540 --> 04:08:23,100
ai outputs should be private similar to doctor patient confidentiality or attorney client privilege

2375
04:08:23,900 --> 04:08:36,300
sure feels like uh feels like our can of worms with a lot of potential for unintended consequences

2376
04:08:36,300 --> 04:08:44,380
i mean generally speaking sure yeah pro privacy yeah we okay but also like

2377
04:08:45,100 --> 04:08:52,780
is he just trying to shield his own company from liability for something that his ai said

2378
04:08:52,780 --> 04:08:59,820
to somebody potentially most likely like why am i protecting open ai's privacy i was trying to

2379
04:08:59,820 --> 04:09:04,620
figure out what this statement really means because you can just run uh an ai locally and

2380
04:09:04,620 --> 04:09:12,380
then because notice he's not advocating for the user input to be private so why do i care no

2381
04:09:12,540 --> 04:09:19,260
why do i care no actually i am reversing course on this one i don't care about sam altman's privacy

2382
04:09:20,540 --> 04:09:28,140
and i i want i want ai companies to be held accountable for potentially negative consequences

2383
04:09:28,140 --> 04:09:33,100
in cases of say for example encouraging self harm you could derive you could derive

2384
04:09:37,580 --> 04:09:40,940
you could often derive what the input was from the output

2385
04:09:41,340 --> 04:09:42,860
sure

2386
04:09:46,780 --> 04:09:51,900
can of worms i i don't think this one is going to solve ai policy yeah

2387
04:09:53,180 --> 04:09:56,860
right now on the wancho 17 to be honest great question

2388
04:09:57,900 --> 04:10:04,060
hey dlo is the og backpack updated with the two bottom layer or is it the singular going on

2389
04:10:04,060 --> 04:10:08,540
20 days waiting on it in the us i believe all the ones shipping today should be dual layer

2390
04:10:09,100 --> 04:10:13,980
um but i'd like to remind everybody that all of the ones that did ship with a single layer

2391
04:10:13,980 --> 04:10:18,940
carry the trust me bro virtual dual layer guarantee so if for whatever reason your

2392
04:10:18,940 --> 04:10:24,220
single layer um rips through or wears through is really what we'd be talking about if you like

2393
04:10:24,780 --> 04:10:30,380
put a knife through it like i did um no amount of two layers would prevent that but if it wears

2394
04:10:30,380 --> 04:10:36,700
through we got your back adam says all dual layers since mid 2024 there you go and remember

2395
04:10:36,700 --> 04:10:43,820
the the trust me bro it is specifically Linus um there's no one else here that that um

2396
04:10:44,700 --> 04:10:50,380
oversees anything uh that could potentially have anything to do with the products i mean when it

2397
04:10:50,380 --> 04:10:57,100
comes to major expenditures like changing warranty policy or whatever else i i generally do get

2398
04:10:57,100 --> 04:11:02,700
consulted on it that's actually fair i guess g'day humanoids specifically luke oh what up

2399
04:11:03,260 --> 04:11:07,100
any chance of opening up some small projects on github for Floatplane so the community

2400
04:11:07,100 --> 04:11:11,500
members can help with debugging and improving Floatplane much adhd love

2401
04:11:13,820 --> 04:11:18,300
every time i talk about this stuff these people get really angry just say it's complicated next

2402
04:11:18,300 --> 04:11:26,940
question it's complicated uh before i go next question on it um managing those things is overhead

2403
04:11:27,580 --> 04:11:33,260
that might be honestly enough to explain it um i understand that people would want us to do it we

2404
04:11:33,260 --> 04:11:38,220
have some stuff that is open a lot of the lab's work is open you can go check it out um

2405
04:11:39,660 --> 04:11:48,140
we also contribute to open source projects ourselves um but just making our stuff public and

2406
04:11:48,140 --> 04:11:55,100
then needing to look over other people's contributions this is actually very recently i mean

2407
04:11:56,060 --> 04:12:00,940
we've been talking about ai surprising amount on the show today this is very recently become

2408
04:12:00,940 --> 04:12:10,060
a big problem because people have been contributing to open source with ai slop um and it's taking

2409
04:12:10,620 --> 04:12:16,940
senior developer time to sort through or maintainer time i should really say it should

2410
04:12:16,940 --> 04:12:21,900
take it takes maintainer time sometimes very senior maintainer time to sort through all of this

2411
04:12:21,980 --> 04:12:28,140
ai slop contributed garbage and um basically he's telling you guys you're not skilled enough

2412
04:12:28,140 --> 04:12:33,580
to contribute to Floatplane we're a private company and as much as there's more features

2413
04:12:33,580 --> 04:12:38,940
that i know people want and there's problems here there and stuff like that um we'll try to

2414
04:12:38,940 --> 04:12:45,100
figure it out the team is really small yeah um and we are aiming to hopefully try to expand a

2415
04:12:45,100 --> 04:12:49,180
little bit soon here and the mental burden of checking someone else's work compared to doing

2416
04:12:49,180 --> 04:12:57,180
your own um i'm not about to ask my people to do that when they already have so much work

2417
04:12:59,260 --> 04:13:07,740
yeah Linus you sent me a dm i did you want to show that off before or after the last let's do

2418
04:13:07,740 --> 04:13:13,100
our last much message it's first message message that's right i'm not like me now hello linnie

2419
04:13:13,100 --> 04:13:21,420
lukey Dan at least it's not uh dinny lu dinny dukey lan kid it doesn't matter

2420
04:13:21,980 --> 04:13:26,620
yeah get better anyone dukey get better on the insults am i blind or a rack studs gone from

2421
04:13:26,620 --> 04:13:31,820
LTT Store they're gone they decluttered the store um they moved really well when we first launched

2422
04:13:31,820 --> 04:13:36,460
them and then they like stopped moving so we were like uh okay now what and then we discontinued them

2423
04:13:37,420 --> 04:13:42,220
and then i have a picture would you like me to show the picture yes

2424
04:13:48,940 --> 04:13:55,180
looking good looking good so the i bought the decals um okay i was gonna say how do you get the

2425
04:13:55,180 --> 04:13:59,500
lettering back on but i guess you just okay how did you get all that orange peel that's gotta take

2426
04:13:59,500 --> 04:14:05,820
real skill okay he's gonna come over and kill me no i i know it looks beautiful no no that was a

2427
04:14:05,820 --> 04:14:10,300
joke oh there's a ton of orange okay no i was just i was just being mean and honestly this

2428
04:14:10,300 --> 04:14:14,300
is one of the better looking pieces it's paint dummies can you explain what orange peel is

2429
04:14:14,300 --> 04:14:22,220
orange peel is a non smooth texture in the surface of the paint that looks kind of like the texture

2430
04:14:22,220 --> 04:14:29,180
of an orange peel so instead of being a little like mirror like in its smoothness it has little

2431
04:14:29,180 --> 04:14:37,020
ripples in it um and it is the mark of an inexperienced um paint sprayer operator and or

2432
04:14:37,020 --> 04:14:43,260
suboptimal conditions which is why i said that to be only mean oh yes oh yes not knowing that

2433
04:14:43,260 --> 04:14:49,340
there was orange peel i'm sorry no dude it's a it's a it's a 10 foot job it's a 10 foot job

2434
04:14:49,340 --> 04:14:55,820
i'm resigned to that anyway i found this really cool company in the uk i think that specializes in

2435
04:14:55,820 --> 04:15:03,740
basically just like having a having vinyl paper and um just like printing stickers

2436
04:15:03,740 --> 04:15:10,060
i paid like 80 or 90 dollars for these stickers and then a handful of others that go on the bike

2437
04:15:10,060 --> 04:15:14,860
but their whole shtick is that they have the graphics for like basically every vehicle

2438
04:15:15,580 --> 04:15:23,020
so if you want to redo um a bike like this um those vinyl stickers are actually under the clear

2439
04:15:23,020 --> 04:15:30,220
coat um out of the factory so there is no way to like remove them and and salvage them or something

2440
04:15:30,220 --> 04:15:35,900
so you just you like sandblast them off and if you want it to look factory except a different color

2441
04:15:35,900 --> 04:15:41,580
then you have to you know go you have to produce them yourself or you have to like go find it and

2442
04:15:41,580 --> 04:15:47,580
most of the graphics i shouldn't say most but some of the graphics are more complicated than just the

2443
04:15:47,580 --> 04:15:55,340
letters suz uk i um so yeah so i ordered custom decals from them and i actually think it's i think

2444
04:15:55,340 --> 04:15:59,900
it's going to end up looking pretty pretty factory i'm very excited so that's with my one clear coat

2445
04:15:59,900 --> 04:16:05,900
on it and then i've already done two shots of clear coat on all the black which means that the very

2446
04:16:05,900 --> 04:16:10,380
last thing left i actually would have shot two coats on this but the reason i couldn't was because

2447
04:16:10,380 --> 04:16:15,740
a couple little fluff scot on it and it was still tacky so i couldn't remove them without damaging

2448
04:16:15,740 --> 04:16:21,100
what i had put on it already so i need to wait for it to cure then i can like get those fluffs out

2449
04:16:21,100 --> 04:16:30,620
i'll hit it again with clear coat and then i am done the shop says i will ride in july nice

2450
04:16:32,620 --> 04:16:43,020
which is pretty exciting so it's just a API front for now but no key made a version of the little

2451
04:16:43,100 --> 04:16:49,740
guy up wow that was quick this vibe code he used comic sans which makes me deeply deeply happy

2452
04:16:49,740 --> 04:16:55,820
yeah and yeah i want to try that soup okay yeah do we we don't really like have like someone whose

2453
04:16:55,820 --> 04:17:03,100
job is to like do wancho things at this point do we um i think it'd be pretty cool if we ate that

2454
04:17:03,100 --> 04:17:10,060
no not you have you have other jobs i mean we kind of used to have someone whose job was to kind of

2455
04:17:10,540 --> 04:17:15,740
prep things for wancho we don't really know ask fans to do it yeah we could okay we should eat soup

2456
04:17:15,740 --> 04:17:22,860
from there we should see how well did how well the little guy pre pre pre pre alpha do yeah

2457
04:17:22,860 --> 04:17:28,940
i want to eat that soup next wancho sweet okay then do you mind arranging that with vance maybe

2458
04:17:28,940 --> 04:17:35,580
see there you go now you get it den can you delegate please there you go there we go that's

2459
04:17:35,580 --> 04:17:40,140
now you're learning about management i came up with this idea somebody else do it

2460
04:17:43,100 --> 04:17:48,140
send someone else do the outro we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad

2461
04:17:48,140 --> 04:17:53,260
channel i'm just i'm just outsourcing my uh my subcontracting yeah yeah

2462
04:17:54,220 --> 04:17:56,780
so one of the wancho just build a little guy i don't know what's going on bye

2463
04:18:10,220 --> 04:18:13,260
it's a overlay of the whole whole stream

2464
04:18:23,260 --> 04:18:24,720
you