WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.400 You've decided you need a GPU, doesn't matter the cost, doesn't matter that they're impossible to find, 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:08.160 or maybe you're from the future and GPUs are everywhere. 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:11.520 You could pick them up off the ground, but you don't know which one to pick. 00:00:11.520 --> 00:00:16.920 Well, we're gonna help you narrow down your decision by unboxing three different 5080s today, 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:20.920 and then we're gonna drag race them with the help of John from Labs. 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.680 Let's start with the MSI Vanguard. This is the launch edition. 00:00:24.680 --> 00:00:30.640 The tape is of our own doing. The launch edition comes with some extra goodies, 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:34.120 like a massive box. The one that you'll get in the non-launch edition 00:00:34.120 --> 00:00:40.160 is much more normal. And the reason the box is so big is because it comes with a lucky mystery box. 00:00:40.160 --> 00:00:45.360 So we'll see which kind of model we get later. There's nine different types and the one secret type. 00:00:45.360 --> 00:00:49.840 We also get a card that says welcome on board and an adapter, cool. 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:53.840 We get this MSI anti-sag stand. 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:57.280 You kind of screw it and then you can set the height of your GPU so that it doesn't sag 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:01.680 because it looks like it's gonna be fricking huge. 00:01:01.680 --> 00:01:06.040 Good Lord. Look at the size of this thing. 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:11.040 It's 14.1 inches long and 5.9 inches tall. 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:16.400 And it's about to looks like a four slot, 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:19.640 maybe three and a half slot GPU, but really that just means it's four slots. 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.140 This is so big. We'll see if this size is going to translate 00:01:23.140 --> 00:01:27.640 into better thermals and quieter operation. It likely will, especially when you consider 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:33.800 that the PCB ends here and the rest of this is just flow through cooler. 00:01:33.800 --> 00:01:37.120 In terms of looks, I like it. It's got some cool carbon fiber 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:42.520 as well as some kind of like angular actiony kind of stuff. Like this, like the curvature of a fan is kind of accentuated. 00:01:42.520 --> 00:01:46.720 I think it does look pretty cool. It is also just so, so big. 00:01:46.720 --> 00:01:54.480 We'll talk a bit more about specs and features when we get the rest of them unboxed. Our next one is the Zotec AMP Xtreme Infinity 5080. 00:01:54.520 --> 00:01:57.920 To gaming and beyond, we got documentation. 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:03.200 Oh, and we're right to the card. It seems that it also comes with a anti-sag bracket. 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.560 We also have an RGB adapter along with a power adapter. 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.660 Let's take a look at the, oh, that's heavy. 00:02:09.660 --> 00:02:14.320 Or maybe it's just dense. I don't know. I feel like the MSI one is probably heavy, but it was much bigger. 00:02:14.320 --> 00:02:19.840 This seems more reasonably sized. This is 13.1 by 5.4 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.840 and also looks like a triple slot a little bit more than that. 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:26.920 So it is quite a bit more compact than the MSI. I think this actually looks much classier. 00:02:26.920 --> 00:02:31.600 This is very nice looking. I think that the color scheme of the kind of gold 00:02:31.600 --> 00:02:35.880 and gunmetal gray looks pretty cool. 00:02:35.880 --> 00:02:41.040 It is a dense heat sink. The PCB is definitely, I feel like it's longer, 00:02:41.040 --> 00:02:45.840 but you still get an amp, a decent amount of flow through. And apparently this is an Infinity mirror. 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.440 The only other thing of note really is that the power connector on this is upside down 00:02:49.440 --> 00:02:53.240 compared to the usual implementation with the sense pins on the top. There's a little button 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:58.400 for their one click OC dual BIOS thing. And then here's where the RGB plugs in. 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:02.840 I would say not the most ideal place to have your RGB cable come out 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:05.920 because it's going to be facing directly 00:03:06.920 --> 00:03:10.720 towards everyone else. It would have been nice if they could have put it on like this corner 00:03:10.720 --> 00:03:13.960 or something like that. I, you know, maybe make like a ribbon cable 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.240 that runs across it. And it is what it is. 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:22.120 But you know what this is? It's the colorful iGameUltra W, which means white. 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.840 And I think is a cool looking card. 00:03:26.200 --> 00:03:29.760 This is the most traditional packaging of any of them. 00:03:29.760 --> 00:03:35.560 That was a bit awful noise. We got some kind of digitized spray paint type looking stuff. 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:39.320 Then inside we get quick materials, 00:03:39.320 --> 00:03:42.760 a white sleeved power connector, which is nice. 00:03:42.760 --> 00:03:45.880 Though I will say that the color matching on the cables 00:03:45.880 --> 00:03:49.280 is a little bit less than ideal. This is really looking like hockey tape 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.680 compared to the more pure whites of the rest of the plastics. 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:58.760 The GPU, however, looks pretty cool. A pretty dazzling, almost a chromatic effect to it. 00:03:58.760 --> 00:04:04.960 There's kind of these reflective bits of text on this plastic see-through shroud. 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:09.520 Now you might think because of what the box looks like that this would have some sort of lighting behind it. 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.440 It turns out it doesn't. That's the pictures just kind of a lie, 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:19.200 which is kind of a bummer. It's 13 by 5.5 inches and it is a triple slot 00:04:19.200 --> 00:04:23.120 and maybe a little bit card on the back. 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:27.460 You know, kind of disappointing that we have this metal. Here you won't really see it in your build, 00:04:27.460 --> 00:04:30.960 but if you were going for all white and you'd have like a white PCIe cover, 00:04:30.960 --> 00:04:35.320 it would be nice to have this kind of match. Outside of that, this is probably the most compact 00:04:35.320 --> 00:04:39.320 of the three cards we've looked at and definitely the most spunky. 00:04:39.320 --> 00:04:42.800 They call it a hip hop aesthetic. John calls it Sakura Graffiti, 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.800 which is honestly better branding than what they've come up with. 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.680 It's got a button for turbo and normal switch between the dual bioses. 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:53.320 Cool. Well, I guess that the last thing we have to do is get them running. 00:04:53.320 --> 00:04:56.960 Each of these cards are OC models and so they all come with varying different boost clocks. 00:04:56.960 --> 00:05:01.760 The boost clock of the MSI is 2745, but you can only get that clock speed 00:05:01.760 --> 00:05:06.560 when you are using their MSI center app. You still get the highest clocks of any of them 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:11.680 without it at 2730, but all those 15 megahertz will make a real difference. 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:17.180 I'm sure the Zotag is 2670 megahertz and the Colorful iGame has a boost clock of 2655 megahertz. 00:05:17.180 --> 00:05:21.740 The Colorful one, despite having the lowest clocks, has the highest power rating at 380 watts. 00:05:21.740 --> 00:05:26.380 The other two cards are at 360 watts, which is the same as a Founders Edition card. 00:05:26.380 --> 00:05:29.820 Not really sure why. Okay, cyberpunk's done, let's see how we did. 00:05:29.820 --> 00:05:34.500 And it looks like the best performer was the Zotag at 156 FPS average. 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:39.700 The MSI came in second at 154 FPS and the Colorful came in at 153. 00:05:39.700 --> 00:05:44.340 Interesting that the highest clocked one didn't win, but they're all basically performed the same. 00:05:44.340 --> 00:05:47.580 You'll expect a little bit of variance on the test, probably about two to three FPS, 00:05:47.580 --> 00:05:53.700 so effectively they're all the same. Normally we run the same game multiple times, 00:05:53.700 --> 00:05:58.100 then average it, so it's a good chance that we'd probably end up with the same number for all. 00:05:58.100 --> 00:06:01.220 Well, let's try it at 4K and see if that makes a difference. Yeah. 00:06:01.220 --> 00:06:05.500 Cyberpunk 4K, three, two, one, go. It's time for RGB evaluation. 00:06:05.500 --> 00:06:09.500 The MSI, I think this looks pretty nice. It'll probably look really good in a case 00:06:09.500 --> 00:06:14.180 when it's more diffuse. This little plastic glowy thing looks cheap. 00:06:14.180 --> 00:06:19.780 It looks like something you'd get on Timu. The Zotac light bar, simple, looks good. 00:06:19.780 --> 00:06:23.500 I wish the diffusion was a little bit smoother here. You can kind of see the individual LEDs, 00:06:23.500 --> 00:06:26.540 but let's take a look at the Infinity Mirror. It looks cool. 00:06:26.540 --> 00:06:29.940 You're never gonna see it. I guess if you have like a fish tank kind of PC, 00:06:29.940 --> 00:06:33.380 like a O11 dynamic, you would be able to see the front of it. 00:06:33.380 --> 00:06:36.580 It would be cooler to have it on the side, I think, 00:06:36.580 --> 00:06:41.580 but still my favorite looking card of the bunch. And the Colorful iGame Ultra, 00:06:41.580 --> 00:06:45.660 while I really do wish there was some sort of RGB on the face of the card, 00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:50.220 on the side you do get this cool iGame Ultra kind of text 00:06:50.220 --> 00:06:55.860 that is pretty nice though. Is this like GeForce RTX placement mandatory? 00:06:55.860 --> 00:06:59.180 It's not. Maybe it is. 00:06:59.180 --> 00:07:04.260 Because I think that this is a really unfortunate placement for it because it's blocking the like RGB pattern. 00:07:04.260 --> 00:07:08.500 Maybe it's not their fault. Maybe NVIDIA is forcing them to do it. That's why I call GeForce. 00:07:08.500 --> 00:07:14.180 Oh my, that's a good one, Andy. Let's look at the results in 4K and it is even closer than it was in 1440p. 00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:17.540 So 72.6 on the Colorful, 00:07:17.540 --> 00:07:20.540 72.78 on the Zotac, 00:07:20.540 --> 00:07:24.180 and MSI at 71.92, ooh. 00:07:24.180 --> 00:07:28.220 Again, these are just average FPS, 1% lows are probably a little bit more important. 00:07:28.220 --> 00:07:31.860 This doesn't give us a 1% low, it does give us a minimum, which is the worst it performed. 00:07:31.860 --> 00:07:36.860 This one gets 59.32, 59.34, 58.44. 00:07:37.020 --> 00:07:40.140 They're the same GPU. And guess what? What? 00:07:40.140 --> 00:07:44.860 They're basically the same as the Founder's Edition too. Really? If you look here on the LTT Labs site, 00:07:44.860 --> 00:07:49.180 our 5080 Founder's Edition did 58.73. 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:54.020 So basically the same. Now granted, this is with probably an older version 00:07:54.020 --> 00:07:57.220 of the game or older driver. So, but... 00:07:57.220 --> 00:08:00.500 So that's one FPS you could get. Potentially. For free. 00:08:00.500 --> 00:08:03.700 Well, or for the price of whatever these are. Maybe we'll see a bigger difference in a different game. 00:08:03.700 --> 00:08:07.300 For our next test, we are doing Returnal at 4K with Epic Ray Tracing. 00:08:07.300 --> 00:08:10.660 Three, two, one, go. While we're waiting for Returnal to run, 00:08:10.660 --> 00:08:14.820 we're gonna open our lucky and see what we got. John says he wants the Shanghai Lucky. 00:08:14.820 --> 00:08:18.780 I want the Boba Lucky or the Mystery Lucky because I want to know what it is. 00:08:18.780 --> 00:08:23.020 We got Hollywood Lucky. 00:08:23.020 --> 00:08:30.460 Wow. Let's look at the results. 77, 77, 77. 00:08:31.860 --> 00:08:35.140 If there was a question as to like, whether any of these different models 00:08:35.140 --> 00:08:39.380 have an appreciable performance delta out of the box, 00:08:39.380 --> 00:08:44.020 not really. The main thing that you're gonna be considering when you're buying one of these GPUs is the features. 00:08:44.020 --> 00:08:48.300 Like, do you like the way it looks? Do you enjoy having the extra dual biosis? 00:08:48.300 --> 00:08:52.940 Do you enjoy the software that it comes packaged in? MSI has a far more robust software suite 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:58.460 than Zotac or Colorful, but maybe you want something that's more lightweight. 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:02.820 Other things to consider are just the size of them. MSI is huge. 00:09:02.820 --> 00:09:06.940 Whereas the Zotac and Colorful are far more reasonable, 00:09:06.940 --> 00:09:10.820 even though they are also still large. However, there's one more consideration 00:09:10.820 --> 00:09:14.500 that we need to take into account. And that's thermals. We did some thermal testing in advance 00:09:14.500 --> 00:09:19.780 and we just tested them as they were out of the box, which meant that the MSI was in a silent BIOS, 00:09:19.780 --> 00:09:25.620 the Zotac was in its OC BIOS, and the Colorful was in its default BIOS. 00:09:25.620 --> 00:09:29.300 So performance could vary. We also didn't adjust fan profiles 00:09:29.300 --> 00:09:33.820 or anything like that either. And in F1, we saw the Zotac pulling an average 00:09:33.820 --> 00:09:38.000 of 66 degrees Celsius with a max of 67 degrees Celsius. 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:42.120 The Colorful, 62 degrees Celsius and 64 degrees Celsius. 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.960 And the MSI was at an average of 62 and max of 65. 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:51.440 This is still well below the 80 degree limit before they start card start downclocking. 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:56.480 Johnny, I don't know if you agree, but they're not loud. No, the fan that you're actually hearing right now 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.440 is actually just the knock to a fans. Thermally, it seems that all of these cards 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:04.120 do a pretty dang good job of keeping the card cool. 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:08.400 I do want to see how annoying they get if we crank the fans up though. 00:10:08.400 --> 00:10:12.160 So let's tinker. This is the sound of the Zotac. 00:10:12.160 --> 00:10:15.400 It's not that bad. I have a 7900 XTX. 00:10:15.400 --> 00:10:18.920 It's obviously a much smaller card. It's only a two slot card, 00:10:18.920 --> 00:10:22.480 but the fans at full speed are way whineier than this. 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:28.560 And I'd say that this is like obviously quite loud, not pleasant, but by default, they'll never run like this. 00:10:28.560 --> 00:10:32.800 And I've just heard worse. Let's see what the Colorful sounds like. 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:36.720 It's got the most whoosh. It sounds the most like white noise though. 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:41.320 I think it's probably the most pleasant of all of them. There is a slight high-pitched resonance. 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:46.760 Like it. It's like a whoosh, but mostly it's just a whoosh noise, 00:10:46.760 --> 00:10:50.400 which is actually pretty pleasant. And finally, the MSI card. 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:56.840 It is, I think, quieter than the Zotac and perhaps overall a little bit lower of a pitch. 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.840 I don't know if it comes through, but there is kind of this like very high-pitched whistling 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:05.480 that's like do, do, do, do, do, do. It's happening that you don't hear 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:10.720 when it's running slower. It's really subtle. You might not even notice it in a case 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:15.720 or something like that. Definitely the Zotac is the loudest. I will say the Zotac is the worst sounding and the loudest, 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:21.920 which is a bit of a bummer because it looks so dang classy. But also, you probably don't need to run your fans 00:11:21.920 --> 00:11:25.280 at 100% ever on a cooler this big. Your mileage may vary. 00:11:25.280 --> 00:11:28.280 So they're all essentially the same. 00:11:28.280 --> 00:11:34.280 So how do you choose a card? I'd say probably aesthetics and cost over anything. 00:11:34.280 --> 00:11:38.000 On top of watching media reviews, you should also look up owner reviews 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:43.360 because there's some things that we just can't test. Like how was this card gonna be after six, seven months of the fans running all the time? 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:50.280 How expensive are these? Current pricing is still pretty gnarly. The MSI comes in at $1,440 00:11:50.280 --> 00:11:54.120 and the Zotac comes in at $1,450. So $10 more. 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:59.760 Both of those prices are really gnarly considering that this was supposed to be a $1,000 card. 00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:04.360 Give or take the AIB tax. The colorful, however, is not available in North America. 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:11.720 And depending on the region you're buying it in, it can be anywhere from $1,200 US dollars to $1,700 US dollars. 00:12:12.640 --> 00:12:15.640 That is insane. So I think I agree with you. 00:12:15.640 --> 00:12:19.920 I would probably pick the Zotac as well, mainly because I am a sucker for aesthetics. 00:12:19.920 --> 00:12:23.600 If I could get that for $1,200, I would deal with it the way it looks. 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:27.920 That was a lot to get through. And if you want more GPU reviews to help determine which one you should buy, 00:12:27.920 --> 00:12:33.480 you can go check out lots of reviews on the LTT Labs website, LTTLabs.com. 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.560 These ones will be coming soon there. They're not up yet, but keep an eye out. 00:12:37.560 --> 00:12:41.200 Thanks for watching ShortCircuit. This is the first time we've done a video in this kind of format. 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.760 So let us know in the comments if you liked it. And if you did like it and you want to watch more stuff with Labs, 00:12:45.760 --> 00:12:49.960 check out our oscilloscope unboxing that we did just a couple of weeks ago.