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David: Welcome to the portion of the show I like to call, "The Tighter Tip". 2 00:00:05.438 --> 00:00:07.741 I was actually spitballing with Linus yesterday; 3 00:00:07.741 --> 00:00:14.247 he was like, I don't want it to be called A Closer Look, because that's the Seth Meyers name for his, 4 00:00:14.247 --> 00:00:16.249 you know, deeper look on his show. 5 00:00:16.282 --> 00:00:18.451 So he's like, I wish we had brainstormed a different thing; 6 00:00:18.485 --> 00:00:23.423 so that's what I spitballed right away, which tells you the state of mind of this guy, 7 00:00:23.723 --> 00:00:24.958 The Tighter Tip. 8 00:00:24.958 --> 00:00:29.362 This is for the video of "Physical Versus Digital Pricing". 9 00:00:29.763 --> 00:00:34.167 And oh boy, was this quite the ordeal to make happen. 10 00:00:34.167 --> 00:00:36.636 I'm actually quite proud of the work I put into this. 11 00:00:36.636 --> 00:00:40.907 I think if you watch the video and you watch it through with a not super fixed perspective, 12 00:00:40.907 --> 00:00:42.909 there's nothing we say that's particularly crazy. 13 00:00:42.909 --> 00:00:45.145 We kind of just go in depth and give a little bit of data 14 00:00:45.145 --> 00:00:51.551 on the specifics of digital versus physical benefits, and kind of the value propositions that both offer. 15 00:00:51.551 --> 00:00:56.556 But as was teased in that video, one of the primary things that I found out 16 00:00:56.623 --> 00:01:01.961 is that there is more value to physical games than I had given it credit for; 17 00:01:01.961 --> 00:01:03.830 and I've made a previous Closer Look 18 00:01:03.830 --> 00:01:06.533 where I was like, we don't need disc drives, like whatever; 19 00:01:06.566 --> 00:01:08.168 it's basically over, we lost the battle. 20 00:01:08.168 --> 00:01:10.870 I was wrong, and I wish to apologize. 21 00:01:10.870 --> 00:01:13.973 It's more complicated than that; there's no simple answer. 22 00:01:14.340 --> 00:01:17.877 I think a lot of the things I said weren't singularly wrong, 23 00:01:17.877 --> 00:01:22.449 but I think the overall sentiment is misinformed and inadequate. 24 00:01:22.482 --> 00:01:28.521 Like Linus said, I legitimately while writing this video went and ordered one. 25 00:01:28.555 --> 00:01:31.324 I was sort of like wanting to order one, but they've been sold out; 26 00:01:31.324 --> 00:01:33.693 and I was like, I made me think of it, I was like I should get a disc drive; 27 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:37.030 and I looked and there was six available at Best Buy, so I ordered myself one. 28 00:01:37.030 --> 00:01:43.103 And that's because value is freaking complicated; there's a lot of factors that go into it. 29 00:01:43.103 --> 00:01:47.607 We go into, you know, the the personal elements of it, you know, 30 00:01:47.674 --> 00:01:53.079 time and you know, convenience and having a physical collection and stuff like that in the video. 31 00:01:53.146 --> 00:01:57.884 But what I want to break down in this video is sort of how this spreadsheet works. 32 00:01:57.917 --> 00:02:00.186 I'm literally going to explain a spreadsheet. 33 00:02:00.220 --> 00:02:02.489 I've given you sort of the fun stories, 34 00:02:02.489 --> 00:02:06.159 but if you're interested in sort of the methodology of how we got to where we are going, 35 00:02:06.192 --> 00:02:09.395 keep watching, this is the good stuff; I think this is like the most exciting part. 36 00:02:09.395 --> 00:02:12.499 Honestly, I've never been this hype working on a spreadsheet. 37 00:02:12.966 --> 00:02:16.102 This is been a video that I've wanted to do for a long time because 38 00:02:16.102 --> 00:02:20.507 I've seen tons of comments everywhere that it's like 39 00:02:20.507 --> 00:02:22.809 Physical is a better value, Digital is a better value; 40 00:02:22.809 --> 00:02:27.113 and I've never seen anyone back it up with any kind of real data or facts, 41 00:02:27.113 --> 00:02:28.381 it's all you know, real things in the sense of like, well... 42 00:02:28.381 --> 00:02:31.117 it's all you know, real things in the sense of like, well... 43 00:02:31.117 --> 00:02:35.355 physical is better because you can sell it through; but what's like the dollar value of that? 44 00:02:35.355 --> 00:02:37.290 And we didn't, we didn't even go into this in this video; 45 00:02:37.290 --> 00:02:41.928 it's like, yes, you have the flexibility to sell your games, but are you? 46 00:02:41.961 --> 00:02:43.997 And then does that have a value to hold on to it? 47 00:02:43.997 --> 00:02:45.632 Does having something on a shelf have value to it? 48 00:02:45.632 --> 00:02:48.568 Like this, we went as deep as we could in an LTT video, 49 00:02:48.568 --> 00:02:52.205 but there's actually like so many dimensions to it, and it's immensely personal. 50 00:02:52.205 --> 00:02:58.578 But what I found was, as I did my investigation, the layers of my personal desire came out, 51 00:02:58.578 --> 00:03:02.949 and I was like, oh, I think I do actually want some physical PS5 games in my collection; 52 00:03:03.416 --> 00:03:06.886 and when my disk drive gets here, I'm very excited to go to GameStop and pick up some games. 53 00:03:06.953 --> 00:03:10.924 So spreadsheet! Hey baby. 54 00:03:10.924 --> 00:03:15.762 Column B is the name of the titles, and basically how I started was I went on Metacritic, 55 00:03:15.762 --> 00:03:18.097 and I added the hundred top rated games. 56 00:03:18.097 --> 00:03:21.000 I think down to like Metacritic's rate, a Metacritic of 84 57 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:21.868 I think down to like Metacritic's rate, a Metacritic of 84 58 00:03:22.068 --> 00:03:24.704 and then I looked, I just searched "best selling PS5 titles", 59 00:03:24.704 --> 00:03:30.210 and there's a Wikipedia entry that has all of the PS5 titles that are 1 million sales or more, 60 00:03:30.210 --> 00:03:33.646 and I added the two that were missing, it was literally just two; 61 00:03:33.646 --> 00:03:36.683 and so that's Stellar Blade, which is an 81 on Metacritic, 62 00:03:36.783 --> 00:03:40.787 and EA Sport Football Club 24. 63 00:03:40.787 --> 00:03:45.258 There's a few other games that I removed, including like F1 2021; 64 00:03:45.358 --> 00:03:49.729 because older sports games are a little bit weird on pricing, 65 00:03:49.762 --> 00:03:54.067 and I didn't want that to factor in, like I don't- 66 00:03:54.067 --> 00:03:58.071 I might be wrong, but I don't think too many people are buying 67 00:03:58.104 --> 00:04:01.874 three year old F1 games? I know that the series has gone downhill, 68 00:04:01.908 --> 00:04:03.710 features are being taken away, it's the same with NHL. 69 00:04:03.743 --> 00:04:07.180 Each NHL is worse than the last; so there is kind of a sweet spot, 70 00:04:07.213 --> 00:04:12.085 and I am not sure which one it is, but I made a subjective call to remove that, 71 00:04:12.118 --> 00:04:15.355 although I did keep Football Club 24, because it's only one year old. 72 00:04:15.388 --> 00:04:17.824 Same with Hitman 3, I took out; 73 00:04:17.857 --> 00:04:21.027 because that's the entry that's the high rated on Metacritic, 74 00:04:21.361 --> 00:04:24.397 but the game that you get now is World of Assassination, 75 00:04:24.397 --> 00:04:26.366 and it's just kind of complicated and messy, 76 00:04:26.366 --> 00:04:31.904 and then I also had some where there was both PS4 and PS5 versions, 77 00:04:31.904 --> 00:04:35.008 and some where there wasn't, like God of War. 78 00:04:35.041 --> 00:04:38.645 The God of War you buy on digital will be the PS5 version 79 00:04:38.645 --> 00:04:40.780 or it'll be a cross compatible version, 80 00:04:40.780 --> 00:04:43.683 but you can buy the PS4 and get the upgrade to PS5. 81 00:04:43.683 --> 00:04:48.288 So I included a mix of PS4 and PS5 games where there's both, 82 00:04:48.388 --> 00:04:52.792 and that generally favored physical if I included the PS4 one. 83 00:04:52.992 --> 00:04:56.362 At one point I considered cutting it off at only PS5 versions, 84 00:04:56.396 --> 00:05:00.199 but I was like that's not the complete story because you can buy PS4 games 85 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:04.137 and get the free upgrade; and so I wanted to include that in the calculations. 86 00:05:04.170 --> 00:05:09.108 So I added the 102 games, I removed all the non physical releases, 87 00:05:09.108 --> 00:05:11.944 and that left me with my 67 titles. 88 00:05:12.211 --> 00:05:14.981 And it's crazy, one of the things- Super random note, 89 00:05:14.981 --> 00:05:19.819 is I've heard so many things about Final Fantasy 16 disappointing Square Enix, 90 00:05:19.819 --> 00:05:23.323 but it's like the friggin fourth best selling game on PS5, 91 00:05:23.356 --> 00:05:24.691 like I don't know what they were expecting. 92 00:05:24.691 --> 00:05:27.427 Also I hope the PC game's selling like crazy, that game is awesome. 93 00:05:27.493 --> 00:05:29.762 Go get Final Fantasy 16! I love it. 94 00:05:29.829 --> 00:05:34.667 Column C, Metacritic rating; Column D, this is the regular price on PSN; 95 00:05:34.667 --> 00:05:36.336 and originally I actually didn't fill this one out. 96 00:05:36.402 --> 00:05:39.272 We didn't use this column for any information in the video; 97 00:05:39.272 --> 00:05:41.908 although this is the highest average price, 98 00:05:41.908 --> 00:05:44.077 we'll get to kind of like what those things at the bottom mean more, 99 00:05:44.077 --> 00:05:46.179 because regular price means nothing; 100 00:05:46.179 --> 00:05:47.280 because regular price means nothing; 101 00:05:47.280 --> 00:05:51.951 regular price exists to make the sale price look really good. 102 00:05:52.018 --> 00:05:56.089 Sale price is a real thing, and we even suggest waiting for sales when you buy a video. 103 00:05:56.189 --> 00:06:01.728 But when you look on Amazon, or PSN, or wherever; 104 00:06:01.728 --> 00:06:05.531 and you see the highlighted price, and then the crossed out higher price, 105 00:06:05.531 --> 00:06:10.236 you can't trust that; they literally will lie about that price, and that's the regular price. 106 00:06:10.403 --> 00:06:15.808 And so I personally suggest and actually will implement from this video, 107 00:06:15.808 --> 00:06:19.846 checking a price tracker; because then you can actually know what the prices were. 108 00:06:19.846 --> 00:06:25.752 And I didn't find any examples on PSN lying about what the regular price was; 109 00:06:26.219 --> 00:06:29.555 if you look at the you know, the- The sawtooth graph. 110 00:06:29.555 --> 00:06:34.093 It's not that they're, they're lying, but I have seen that. 111 00:06:34.093 --> 00:06:38.765 Especially, you know, we're getting ready for Black Friday, as a generalized tip outside of this, 112 00:06:38.765 --> 00:06:42.268 what they advertise as what the regular prices might be a total lie, total fabrication. 113 00:06:42.468 --> 00:06:46.105 They raise it by a hundred bucks right before Black Friday, so they can then cut a hundred dollars, 114 00:06:46.105 --> 00:06:48.174 and it's looks like you're saving money, 115 00:06:48.174 --> 00:06:52.378 and these price trackers are great because you actually get to take those claims, 116 00:06:52.378 --> 00:06:57.850 and put it under the microscope, and find out for yourself if you're actually getting a historic good deal. 117 00:06:58.050 --> 00:07:01.454 And what I found is historic good deals rarely exist; 118 00:07:01.454 --> 00:07:06.459 for used, that's a little less true, used games it seems to be that there's like a 119 00:07:06.459 --> 00:07:08.728 little bit more of a one-off; especially for buying online, 120 00:07:08.728 --> 00:07:12.298 a one-off price sort of things, or on Facebook a little bit of one-off pricing. 121 00:07:12.298 --> 00:07:13.966 If you're buying new games or digital, 122 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:19.605 what is the low price now will probably be the low price again in a couple weeks, in a month; 123 00:07:20.339 --> 00:07:21.674 and so patience is the key. 124 00:07:21.707 --> 00:07:24.143 E is the current PSN price, which is at the time of the writing; 125 00:07:24.143 --> 00:07:25.845 E is the current PSN price, which is at the time of the writing; 126 00:07:25.845 --> 00:07:27.980 which I think was October 14th and 15th, 127 00:07:28.047 --> 00:07:31.050 I just went on the PS deals and found what it was, 128 00:07:31.050 --> 00:07:33.119 the game was currently selling for and I put that in, 129 00:07:33.119 --> 00:07:39.292 and that is a more accurate depiction of what the price of digital games are, 130 00:07:39.292 --> 00:07:42.261 or what games are, because things are always on sale. 131 00:07:42.261 --> 00:07:47.533 Personally... the current price, even though that might not be the regular price, 132 00:07:47.533 --> 00:07:50.436 especially when we're looking at the average of 67 games, 133 00:07:50.436 --> 00:07:56.008 is a good indicator of what you can expect, because there is always sales. 134 00:07:56.209 --> 00:08:03.549 It's, my dad told me that actually with with used things, if something is available now; 135 00:08:03.549 --> 00:08:06.252 if you've been looking for something for a day and it's available in that first day, 136 00:08:06.419 --> 00:08:10.122 you don't have to panic that much, its probably going to be available again. 137 00:08:10.122 --> 00:08:15.695 Column F! The lowest PSN price, using psdeals.net, you can see the history of the prices 138 00:08:15.695 --> 00:08:18.130 and you can see the deals, and how often they're happening. 139 00:08:18.164 --> 00:08:20.867 And I knew it was pretty regular, because like steam sales, 140 00:08:20.867 --> 00:08:22.935 you kind of just know the games that are going to be there, 141 00:08:22.935 --> 00:08:25.404 and which ones are- What the price is going to be; 142 00:08:25.538 --> 00:08:27.740 because it seems to be the regular, regular things. 143 00:08:27.740 --> 00:08:28.875 PSN is no different from that. 144 00:08:28.875 --> 00:08:30.977 There's just kind of a regular assortment of games that have 145 00:08:31.010 --> 00:08:33.179 I'm guessing pre-approved discounts in every two weeks? 146 00:08:33.179 --> 00:08:36.115 One set of games goes- Or like every week one set of games goes on, 147 00:08:36.115 --> 00:08:39.051 and then the next week it's off, but then a different set of game goes on, 148 00:08:39.051 --> 00:08:40.820 and then the first set comes on the week after; 149 00:08:40.820 --> 00:08:42.989 it seems to be a rotating schedule of things. 150 00:08:42.989 --> 00:08:46.092 So the next columns 2 and 3, we'll get to that after. 151 00:08:46.092 --> 00:08:54.634 So I and J, are basically when I was, like I'm curious as how subscriptions play into this. 152 00:08:54.700 --> 00:08:58.271 So I wanted to track which games were on PS Plus Extra, 153 00:08:58.271 --> 00:09:02.041 which this, this wordage or the letters at the top might be a bit confusing. 154 00:09:02.508 --> 00:09:05.578 So I'll use the wordage I was using in my head that helped make it clearer. 155 00:09:05.645 --> 00:09:09.482 PS Plus C is the PS Plus Collection, which is not what it's called; 156 00:09:09.582 --> 00:09:16.789 it's now called PS Plus Extra, and the collection of games on PS Plus Extra is column J, 157 00:09:16.789 --> 00:09:22.662 whereas PS Plus E is PS Plus Essentials, which is the monthly version, 158 00:09:22.662 --> 00:09:25.831 where you have the lowest tier of the subscription and you get you know, 159 00:09:25.831 --> 00:09:29.235 three-four games a month for free, and access to them as long as you're paying; 160 00:09:29.235 --> 00:09:33.139 whereas the PS Plus Extra, which is PS Plus collection. 161 00:09:33.673 --> 00:09:36.909 That's just a large collection of games that you have access to as long as you're paying; 162 00:09:36.909 --> 00:09:40.379 and so I tracked which one was in the collection on the right, 163 00:09:40.379 --> 00:09:43.816 and the left was which ones were available for free with essentials, 164 00:09:43.816 --> 00:09:48.688 going back to column G and H. I looked at how far back they were available. 165 00:09:48.688 --> 00:09:52.024 Because originally I was like oh I'll just get a year of PS Plus in my calculation, 166 00:09:52.825 --> 00:09:55.561 and then I can include these games that were available free, 167 00:09:55.561 --> 00:09:59.265 and I was like wait no, because these games might have been available a long time ago, 168 00:09:59.265 --> 00:10:02.902 and some of these games were, like I mean PS3 version of Demon Souls; 169 00:10:02.902 --> 00:10:06.005 I didn't even calculate when that was from, but that would be from the PS3 era, 170 00:10:06.005 --> 00:10:12.011 but Tony Hawk Pro Skater, yes Tony Hawk was on PS Plus Essentials; but that was in August 2022, 171 00:10:12.011 --> 00:10:14.714 which is you know, more than two years ago. 172 00:10:14.814 --> 00:10:17.783 So if you had two years of PS Plus starting from two years ago, 173 00:10:17.783 --> 00:10:19.552 you still wouldn't have gotten this; 174 00:10:19.552 --> 00:10:24.690 and so I was trying to figure out is two years - three years a better value, 175 00:10:24.690 --> 00:10:31.564 and so I was tracking the price of the subscription versus how many games you get, 176 00:10:31.564 --> 00:10:33.566 and seemed like two years sort of the sweet spot. 177 00:10:33.566 --> 00:10:38.304 And it was sort of a tough choice because I wanted to add a ton about subscriptions in the video, 178 00:10:38.304 --> 00:10:39.939 there was so much I could we could talk about; 179 00:10:39.939 --> 00:10:42.808 and honestly I think we're going to make it a whole separate video. 180 00:10:42.875 --> 00:10:47.780 The big one I want to do is PC Versus Console because again that's something I see all the time, 181 00:10:47.780 --> 00:10:50.483 especially when we're talking about you know, 182 00:10:50.483 --> 00:10:53.352 PlayStation is a good value; well you have to pay for your online, 183 00:10:53.352 --> 00:10:57.790 well you know the games are cheaper on PC, and like on face value I believe that that's true. 184 00:10:57.790 --> 00:11:00.593 That's my, that's been my experience, like Final Fantasy 16. 185 00:11:00.793 --> 00:11:06.732 The regular price is still $69.99 on PS5, whereas it launched at $49.99 on PC; 186 00:11:07.166 --> 00:11:12.471 however, when I was doing this video I noticed it seems to be on a regular $49.99 sale on PSN, 187 00:11:12.471 --> 00:11:20.246 and so is $69.99 the real price, or is $49.99 the real price and $69.99 exists to 188 00:11:20.246 --> 00:11:23.082 create pressure at that $49.99 price, you know what I'm saying? 189 00:11:23.082 --> 00:11:25.051 You know what I'm saying? 190 00:11:25.718 --> 00:11:28.120 So yeah we want to make PC Versus Console, 191 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.690 but we also want to make what is the value of subscription gaming; 192 00:11:30.690 --> 00:11:33.025 because we talked about PlayStation and PS Plus, 193 00:11:33.025 --> 00:11:36.495 we didn't talk about collection because if you're not into PS1, 2, 3 games- 194 00:11:36.495 --> 00:11:42.835 Sorry, PS Plus premium, that is zero value add if you're not into retro games. 195 00:11:42.835 --> 00:11:46.305 I personally pay for premium, because I do like those games; 196 00:11:46.305 --> 00:11:50.009 although without my CRTs, it's not the same, it's not the same. 197 00:11:50.009 --> 00:11:54.780 Over here I did a similar thing with all the PSN stuff, with the physical; 198 00:11:54.780 --> 00:12:00.753 so there's, Column K is current physical pricing, and so I just found on Amazon 199 00:12:00.753 --> 00:12:04.423 if there wasn't available on Best Buy or GameStop, 200 00:12:04.423 --> 00:12:08.894 or something where this was the current price I could go and buy it immediately. 201 00:12:08.894 --> 00:12:10.229 Most of the things were on Amazon, 202 00:12:10.963 --> 00:12:13.933 then the next column is the lowest ever Amazon price; 203 00:12:13.933 --> 00:12:18.304 and so tracking the history of the pricing on Amazon. 204 00:12:18.304 --> 00:12:22.374 And then the third column was including third-party sellers on Amazon, 205 00:12:22.374 --> 00:12:24.910 I just assumed that the third-party sellers would be better deal, 206 00:12:24.910 --> 00:12:28.013 but as you can see at the bottom, first party Amazon's a better deal; 207 00:12:28.013 --> 00:12:31.350 especially because you generally get free shipping, whereas the third-party ones it's not guarantee. 208 00:12:31.350 --> 00:12:34.353 We will get to this bottom stuff, chill chill. 209 00:12:34.353 --> 00:12:41.927 And at O, same thing but used, so looking at the current price I could get things used right now. 210 00:12:41.927 --> 00:12:45.331 Again I was able to do that most in Amazon, if not then I could do GameStop; 211 00:12:45.331 --> 00:12:49.135 but there was only like a couple that weren't available on Amazon currently, 212 00:12:49.135 --> 00:12:52.171 and then the lowest ever used price. 213 00:12:52.171 --> 00:12:55.608 Over Column P and Q, that's mostly was a personal- 214 00:12:55.608 --> 00:12:58.110 Like I was using that as like a worksheet thing just to track 215 00:12:58.110 --> 00:13:04.283 if I had PS Plus, how much I could save on my used pricing to figure out the value; 216 00:13:04.283 --> 00:13:07.686 because I was trying to figure out the absolute cheapest combo of things, 217 00:13:07.686 --> 00:13:14.727 and it was a mix of digital and physical, and a big part of the digital was the subscription. 218 00:13:14.727 --> 00:13:17.563 And then over here we have GameStop current used prices, 219 00:13:17.563 --> 00:13:21.367 GameStop's trade-in value, which I didn't want to get into specifics; 220 00:13:21.367 --> 00:13:28.307 because the GameStop US doesn't have a universal list of their trade-in values currently, 221 00:13:28.307 --> 00:13:29.408 but GameStop Canada does. 222 00:13:29.408 --> 00:13:31.844 I don't know how close it is to other countries; 223 00:13:32.044 --> 00:13:36.482 I've seen people recommend it online, like use the Canadian GameStop price tracker, 224 00:13:36.482 --> 00:13:41.487 or trade in value tracker, and then you know convert to your local currency; and so I did that. 225 00:13:41.654 --> 00:13:46.058 I got all the values on GameStop and then converted it to US. 226 00:13:46.058 --> 00:13:49.628 Genuinely I was surprised at the value you can get for your games, 227 00:13:49.628 --> 00:13:54.333 its obviously still like, you know you're getting 20 bucks for a $70 game, or a $60 game; 228 00:13:54.333 --> 00:13:58.103 but the big deal there is, they have the promotions where you know, 229 00:13:58.103 --> 00:14:02.975 you trade three and it counts as $60, or you get an extra 10% if you're a pro member; 230 00:14:02.975 --> 00:14:06.378 or if you're trade-in towards consoles you get extra 50% value or whatever. 231 00:14:06.378 --> 00:14:10.182 If convenience is like really the most important thing, and you want to make some value, 232 00:14:10.182 --> 00:14:12.685 GameStop's not great, it's fine. 233 00:14:12.685 --> 00:14:16.956 The best, the best best best; Facebook, which is the last column; 234 00:14:16.956 --> 00:14:22.061 and again, I didn't have enough data to make like super definitive statements, 235 00:14:22.061 --> 00:14:25.064 so we didn't give like numbers in the video. 236 00:14:25.064 --> 00:14:29.368 I think we give like you know, average dollar per game versus the other columns, 237 00:14:29.535 --> 00:14:32.204 which we're going to get there right now, we're going to get there right now guys. 238 00:14:32.238 --> 00:14:36.275 I went to Facebook LA, set my range to like 40 miles or something, 239 00:14:36.275 --> 00:14:41.513 and I just look up a game and found like within a minute of looking, 240 00:14:41.513 --> 00:14:42.848 what was the cheapest price I could get? 241 00:14:42.848 --> 00:14:46.986 And so that's pre negotiation, pre bundles, pre outstanding deals; 242 00:14:46.986 --> 00:14:52.858 like all these prices feel like a pretty good deal, but I think I could get a better price? 243 00:14:52.858 --> 00:14:58.130 And so again in the video we didn't make definitive statements about the Facebook price of things, 244 00:14:58.163 --> 00:15:00.733 although we say yeah, it's the king of deals; 245 00:15:00.733 --> 00:15:03.502 which I think no one would argue with 246 00:15:03.502 --> 00:15:07.873 And that brings us down to the bottom where all the magic of mathematics happens. 247 00:15:07.873 --> 00:15:11.577 It's actually very simple mathematics, like grade four statistics. 248 00:15:11.577 --> 00:15:15.514 I considered going like really in depth and getting you know Labs help 249 00:15:15.514 --> 00:15:17.383 with like crunching the numbers and doing that stuff, 250 00:15:17.383 --> 00:15:20.386 but decided that's not really what we're trying to do in this video; 251 00:15:20.486 --> 00:15:25.024 we're trying to identify general trends, and the average would be adequate for that. 252 00:15:25.157 --> 00:15:29.762 It might be interesting to do another attempt at this in the future video, 253 00:15:29.762 --> 00:15:33.999 and kind of like really get into the numbers, but I think our conclusion of 254 00:15:33.999 --> 00:15:37.670 your best bet is to look per game, and make a decision per game. 255 00:15:37.770 --> 00:15:41.540 Like if you can go on PSN right now and get a better deal on PSN then you can get used; 256 00:15:41.573 --> 00:15:43.008 I think that's a pretty fair statement, but at the bottom 257 00:15:43.008 --> 00:15:43.709 I think that's a pretty fair statement, but at the bottom 258 00:15:44.043 --> 00:15:48.547 we calculate the total cost for the 67 games, easy just you know, sum of that whole column. 259 00:15:48.547 --> 00:15:51.650 And then I actually have it in white here, 260 00:15:51.650 --> 00:15:54.653 because it was annoying me that there was an extra row of numbers for the amount of games; 261 00:15:54.653 --> 00:15:59.191 because there was a version of the sheet where there was more information missing, 262 00:15:59.191 --> 00:16:01.360 and so when I was calculating the averages, 263 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.896 I needed to count the amount of games I was calculating. 264 00:16:03.896 --> 00:16:06.365 And the numbers that we got aren't super different, 265 00:16:06.365 --> 00:16:09.902 I had a category of like how many games I'm averaging against. 266 00:16:10.769 --> 00:16:13.105 I didn't really need that, because everything ended up being 67 267 00:16:13.105 --> 00:16:16.608 except for the Facebook and GameStop current one, 268 00:16:17.176 --> 00:16:21.780 but there's the- The top row is the total cost. 269 00:16:21.780 --> 00:16:25.050 Don't, don't look at the blue, don't, don't; don't look at it. 270 00:16:25.150 --> 00:16:30.255 The top row is the total cost of buying all 67 games, and like 271 00:16:30.789 --> 00:16:36.061 67 games is a lot, and I didn't choose a number. 272 00:16:36.362 --> 00:16:39.164 I did, I chose a 100 games; I was like, okay that's great. 273 00:16:39.231 --> 00:16:42.701 That's like a comprehensive look that'll give us enough data that we- 274 00:16:42.701 --> 00:16:44.336 That our averages are worth something. 275 00:16:44.503 --> 00:16:48.974 I think it's a big enough sample size to work with, and even when it was culled down to 67, 276 00:16:49.108 --> 00:16:52.878 I think that's enough information, we can track a general trend? 277 00:16:53.278 --> 00:16:56.615 But 67 is not indicative of what most people are buying. 278 00:16:57.182 --> 00:17:01.120 Yes, if you look at my digital library, there's a lot more than 67 games, 279 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:03.022 but a lot of those are games I got for free, 280 00:17:03.889 --> 00:17:09.428 and I'm also a hardcore gamer where I buy a lot- I buy a lot of games. 281 00:17:09.428 --> 00:17:11.730 I’m not a good indicator, I was trying to find 282 00:17:11.730 --> 00:17:18.604 a good piece of data on the internet for what the average amount of games per console is, 283 00:17:18.604 --> 00:17:23.075 and there doesn't seem to be a reliable source for a factual opinion. 284 00:17:23.208 --> 00:17:27.846 There's a lot of opinions, and anecdotal opinions of like "I buy six games a year", 285 00:17:27.846 --> 00:17:30.916 or like there'll be polls where there's you know a few thousand people polled, 286 00:17:30.916 --> 00:17:33.519 and it'll be like "I buy four to eight games a year", 287 00:17:33.619 --> 00:17:38.857 I couldn't find a definitive, "the average console gamer has 17.2 games" or whatever; 288 00:17:38.857 --> 00:17:40.092 so I didn't want to make a statement about that. 289 00:17:40.092 --> 00:17:41.260 I was hop- I was really looking for that, 290 00:17:41.260 --> 00:17:43.095 because that would make it a little bit easier to be like, 291 00:17:43.095 --> 00:17:45.097 for the average gamer they would save this amount; 292 00:17:45.097 --> 00:17:46.698 which would have been a really nice number to have. 293 00:17:46.899 --> 00:17:49.501 I would have had to pull that number out of somewhere, 294 00:17:49.935 --> 00:17:51.637 and I didn't want to just pull it out of my butt. 295 00:17:51.804 --> 00:17:57.276 So 67, high amount of games, but it's not like a- 296 00:17:57.276 --> 00:18:00.379 The point of the video is to identify the trend, so I don't feel too bad. 297 00:18:00.779 --> 00:18:06.885 Top row, total price; so you can see, the highest total price is the regular PSN price; 298 00:18:06.885 --> 00:18:08.454 that is a very high price. 299 00:18:08.520 --> 00:18:12.925 I didn't track regular current price, just because I didn't find a good way to do that; 300 00:18:13.025 --> 00:18:16.228 so I didn't want to, and we also didn't talk about regular price versus current price, 301 00:18:16.261 --> 00:18:17.029 so didn't really matter. 302 00:18:17.096 --> 00:18:21.600 The lowest single one is Facebook price; 303 00:18:21.600 --> 00:18:25.104 but that's because it only has 53 games, so it's a little unfair. 304 00:18:25.104 --> 00:18:29.374 But if you look at both the total and then the average, which I am about to get to. 305 00:18:29.374 --> 00:18:33.011 Lowest historic used price is the cheapest category, 306 00:18:33.011 --> 00:18:34.913 but it's also the most inconsistent one. 307 00:18:34.947 --> 00:18:36.949 A lot of the games I look at when I was tracking, 308 00:18:36.949 --> 00:18:39.685 you would see a historic used low used price, 309 00:18:39.685 --> 00:18:42.221 and then the current used price would be significantly higher. 310 00:18:42.521 --> 00:18:43.755 So Death Stranding for example, 311 00:18:43.989 --> 00:18:47.993 the lowest price you could buy used on Amazon ever was $10.48; great deal, 312 00:18:47.993 --> 00:18:51.430 but if I wanted it right now, I would have to pay $22.49 to get it on Amazon, 313 00:18:51.430 --> 00:18:52.965 but if I wanted it right now, I would have to pay $22.49 to get it on Amazon, 314 00:18:52.965 --> 00:18:53.599 but if I wanted it right now, I would have to pay $22.49 to get it on Amazon, 315 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.034 or $29.99 to get it from GameStop. 316 00:18:56.034 --> 00:19:03.675 Lowest tracked used sale price is interesting, but it's also not the most useful for expectation; 317 00:19:03.675 --> 00:19:09.081 there was a few cases actually where even the lowest used price was worse than the digital price, 318 00:19:09.214 --> 00:19:13.152 but that was generally weird one-of cases like Baldur's Gate 3. 319 00:19:13.185 --> 00:19:16.822 There is a physical release for Baldur's Gate 3, but it's sort of a limited release, 320 00:19:16.822 --> 00:19:21.960 and so the used copies are quite expensive; it seems to be about $120 US to buy. 321 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:26.498 Or the same with Talos Principle, its they've primarily driven it through digital, 322 00:19:26.498 --> 00:19:29.468 and so there is physical copies, but they're sort of rare. 323 00:19:29.501 --> 00:19:32.504 So used, best if you can get it, low PSN is the most regular one you can get at a good deal. 324 00:19:32.504 --> 00:19:37.876 So used, best if you can get it, low PSN is the most regular one you can get at a good deal. 325 00:19:37.876 --> 00:19:39.511 Facebook's the best overall. 326 00:19:39.878 --> 00:19:45.517 But back to row 73, or 72 because I had to add these numbers myself 327 00:19:45.517 --> 00:19:48.921 so that when I sorted things I could resort them without breaking everything. 328 00:19:48.921 --> 00:19:53.258 Yeah here, average per game, basically just take the total divided by the 67 games we have; 329 00:19:53.258 --> 00:20:00.599 as you can see, and then that gives us our total average per game, which again, best lowest used. 330 00:20:01.033 --> 00:20:03.202 The Facebook price average per game is higher, 331 00:20:03.268 --> 00:20:06.104 but that's because there's games that weren't available; so it's not a complete data set. 332 00:20:06.371 --> 00:20:09.608 The lowest is the GameStop trade-in value! Surprise, surprise. 333 00:20:09.608 --> 00:20:14.813 Which is more than a third of the GameStop sold value, 334 00:20:15.314 --> 00:20:16.949 which is a lot higher than expected, like I were- 335 00:20:16.949 --> 00:20:18.083 I guess I should say, it says directly on that trade-in page; 336 00:20:18.083 --> 00:20:19.885 I guess I should say, it says directly on that trade-in page; 337 00:20:19.885 --> 00:20:22.287 these prices can be changed at any notice, at any moment, 338 00:20:22.287 --> 00:20:23.255 these prices can be changed at any notice, at any moment, 339 00:20:23.255 --> 00:20:24.923 and like at stores can be different. 340 00:20:25.090 --> 00:20:28.560 They basically give like a little disclaimer that these are a good expectation, 341 00:20:28.560 --> 00:20:33.498 but like we don't really have to value these prices, or honor these prices; 342 00:20:33.498 --> 00:20:35.334 my personal experience, which is a little bit dated. 343 00:20:35.334 --> 00:20:41.006 I think the last time I traded stuff at GameStop was probably 10 years ago, maybe more? 344 00:20:41.006 --> 00:20:46.745 It felt a lot more like a factor of, you know, 8 to 10. 345 00:20:47.045 --> 00:20:50.949 A game that is being sold for $40 on the shelf, I get $5 for; 346 00:20:51.516 --> 00:20:56.388 but this data doesn't show that, but it wasn't a high degree of confidence 347 00:20:56.955 --> 00:21:00.158 that I could make a definitive statement, so we didn't. 348 00:21:00.158 --> 00:21:03.028 I'd rather back off of making, you know, 349 00:21:03.095 --> 00:21:06.498 unfounded claims that my gut tells me to make, and stick to the data. 350 00:21:06.531 --> 00:21:08.333 I really wanted to stick to the data in this video. 351 00:21:08.333 --> 00:21:09.935 and then I have my little worksheet down here, 352 00:21:09.935 --> 00:21:14.373 which I often would fill out again, when I'm just doing calculations myself, 353 00:21:15.007 --> 00:21:16.208 when I needed to figure out stuff. 354 00:21:16.341 --> 00:21:20.178 And I'm currently in the process of doing the guidance for a video, 355 00:21:20.178 --> 00:21:22.648 where basically we highlight portions of the script, 356 00:21:22.648 --> 00:21:26.118 and we write in what the visual accompaniment will be; 357 00:21:26.318 --> 00:21:29.288 so either b-roll, which is, you know, shots of the product; 358 00:21:29.288 --> 00:21:34.126 or L-roll, which is screen cap or editors notes with, you know, 359 00:21:34.226 --> 00:21:38.163 guidance for what animations and text, and stuff will be on screen. 360 00:21:38.163 --> 00:21:41.266 So as I'm doing that, I'm verifying my numbers, double checking, 361 00:21:42.100 --> 00:21:47.105 seeing if I copy pasted the wrong thing; so far nothing, which is good. 362 00:21:47.105 --> 00:21:50.042 Then over here, I had my little PlayStation Plus calculations area; 363 00:21:50.108 --> 00:21:52.811 it's a little messier, because it was sort of a last minute addition. 364 00:21:52.878 --> 00:21:55.314 But, you know, the cost of PSN extra year. 365 00:21:56.348 --> 00:21:58.583 This is two years of PSN, three years of PSN. 366 00:21:58.583 --> 00:22:01.520 this is with how much you would save if you had many, many years; 367 00:22:01.887 --> 00:22:04.856 but there would be two games you don't get in that case, 368 00:22:04.923 --> 00:22:11.863 I think, it was Control and NEO. 369 00:22:11.897 --> 00:22:14.733 And NEO is a little complicated because you would get NEO 2, 370 00:22:15.067 --> 00:22:20.439 but you wouldn't get NEO 1, but you wouldn't get the remastered DLC, 371 00:22:20.706 --> 00:22:22.240 but you would get the free upgrade; 372 00:22:22.307 --> 00:22:24.710 so I was like, I just wouldn't want to count that, and just, 373 00:22:24.743 --> 00:22:27.379 it started getting bogged down in these details, and I was like, two years. 374 00:22:27.579 --> 00:22:29.681 Let's see what happens if I just calculate two years; 375 00:22:29.948 --> 00:22:33.251 and I did, and it was cleaner, and it was more interesting to then bring it back again 376 00:22:33.251 --> 00:22:36.588 to the initial question that the video posed, which is, 377 00:22:36.822 --> 00:22:40.225 is it worth saving $50 on a digital console if you're locked out of physical games? 378 00:22:40.258 --> 00:22:43.695 And it's complicated, and I- 379 00:22:43.729 --> 00:22:46.031 It brings us back, it brings us back to the video, 380 00:22:46.131 --> 00:22:49.868 it brings us back to the whole point of the video; and it brings us back to me being wrong. 381 00:22:50.268 --> 00:22:53.205 I was so wrong, just like I was so wrong 382 00:22:53.205 --> 00:22:56.041 for not telling you how much I appreciate you watching this video, 383 00:22:56.408 --> 00:22:59.411 leaving a positive comment, telling Sammy he's doing an amazing job. 384 00:22:59.644 --> 00:23:02.280 I think this went on a lot longer than I expected, than he expected; 385 00:23:02.981 --> 00:23:06.852 so just, you know, in the comments; say, Sammy, we appreciate you. 386 00:23:07.652 --> 00:23:08.453 David: Do it. Sammy: Leave a like. 387 00:23:08.487 --> 00:23:09.821 David: Leave a like, 200 likes. 388 00:23:09.921 --> 00:23:10.689 Sammy: No no no! 389 00:23:10.756 --> 00:23:16.061 David: Make, get 600 accounts, and like this video one million times per account. 390 00:23:16.061 --> 00:23:16.995 Sammy: Hahahaha.