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Yep, you're live, got him. Technically.

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Yeah. Uno reverse.

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All right.

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Okay, Wansho. How is it that you were here at 430 and I was here at 440 and we're not going live till five.

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Yeah, because we took a long time to pick the title.

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Hmm.

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That actually didn't take for a long to figure out. I was like, wait a minute.

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Nope. KG4WNN nailed it.

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Whoever has been waiting the longest needs to go leave their computer and go poop.

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That will ensure the Wansho starts while they're away.

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100% logical.

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That is how it works. That's an interesting observation. Whoever is most inconvenienced by us finally starting,

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that's who will start when they poo. So I have to go poo every time?

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I mean. And the Wansho is going to start with me pooping every time.

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So everyone watching Wansho will just know.

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I mean, we had that. That I am currently defecating. We had that old animated intro where at the beginning you're like,

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it kind of looked like you're pooping. I'm sucking quicksand.

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And maybe the Wansho. You can't poop in the quicksand. You can.

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What will sink faster in the quicksand?

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Your face or your poop? It probably wouldn't struggle.

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So probably you. So you'd catch up to it. So it's going to slowly.

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You're going to. Just hope you're dead before you get there. That sucks.

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Yeah. Just have this streak.

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It's getting too much. And it's kind of probably like 6040.

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Like which side of your crotch it'll go up.

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So hopefully it goes up the back. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Wow. I'd only imagined back.

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I hadn't really. And this assumes it's solid. Oh yeah.

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What if you have like feared hyria?

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I'm sure that's a thing for someone. It's got to be.

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I wonder how much pressure you would need for it to get you out of the quicksand.

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Um, how dare you go to bed, Zenth and Wolf? I forbid it.

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Yeah, stay up. Yeah, stay up and watch now. Ruin your life. Yeah, it'll be totally a completely different experience watching it live.

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Let's bully Zenth. Let's bully Zenth and Wolf together.

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Help us bully. Watch live and be sleep deprived.

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Thanks. Thanks, Jerusalem. Yeah, I knew I could count on you.

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Why is everyone talking about poop now? Interesting. Send that to L2D store support, please.

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What's this? He says, once he saw it, this doesn't really make any sense.

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Oh, I thought no, no, no, no, no, I read it now. The username is interesting.

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I thought you.

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Yeah. Yep. That makes sense. I get it.

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It's like nipple-less cage. Yep. Could mean anything.

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No, I'm pretty sure that means a pretty specific thing.

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It could mean anything. I think it means the greatest actor of our time with no nipples.

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Unbearable weight of massive talent.

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Unbearable weight of massive poop in quicksand.

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Actually, I think that's a weight that I could bear. I think when the waiting was over, I'd be more upset about it.

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By the way, these shirts are apparently for you guys to wear.

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I need to talk to Jamie about how many of our shirts we're opening for wearing on camera right now,

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though, maybe. I know. Here's the merch for Wancho, but I don't need one because.

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You have like three of those. He literally put that next to the one that I already had that is the same one.

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Oh, and you have multiple of them because they're all your size. Nope, these are different.

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These are unrelated to those. Yeah, but both of those are your size. I know, but these aren't for Wancho.

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Oh, why not? I don't know. I could show it, but it's not for Wancho.

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Those are for Wancho. So that's yours.

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No, I don't need it. It's the same one as the one I'm wearing right here.

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What do you want to do with this? Because it shouldn't just stay there. It can stay there. Oh, it's not on camera.

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Yeah, it's not. Yeah. Can catch.

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Wow.

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It was a perfect pass to someone.

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That was a really annoying sound. Oh, it really is.

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Nice.

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What's up, B4ster?

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Oh, I'm still wearing my mic.

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Oh, yeah. What are we waiting? Are we waiting for anything or could we just go whenever?

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Cool. That'd be cool.

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What Chromebook shopping today?

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Nice. Yeah. How'd that go? Ah, you know.

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I mean, the best case scenario is you win a Chromebook.

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So, you know. You win a Chromebook?

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Well, no, like I just mean it costs hundreds of dollars to play

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and oh, all you can possibly win is a Chromebook. So, it's not the greatest game.

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Yeah.

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Ah, Flippelin Chat froze for me already.

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Hardly even. Yeah, it only happened in the pre-show for me last time.

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If you can get an exact timestamp of when that happens, that would be useful.

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Oh, are we like actually trying to fix it now? Yeah. Cool.

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Oh, do I think Dan is a goober?

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What kind of a thing to say is that? The Oakland team is pretty low staff, even more than normal at the moment,

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because everyone's taking vacations because everyone delayed their vacations during the

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push. So, not a ton of stuff is really happening right now, but that is something that we want

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to look into. Cool.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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We ready?

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Uh, yeah, sure.

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Let's do it.

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Oh, right. I have my, I have a working laptop this week, so I'm gonna, I'll have the dashboard open.

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Oh, I cannot believe how crappily last week's win show performed.

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The funny part is that it even, it was like low, but then it like

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got worse.

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Hey, analytics.

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Okay. All right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna punch it.

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Oh, are we already live on notable streaming service, Ptet?

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We are actually always live on Ptet. What an adequate video service.

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Resuming selected now.

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What is up everyone and welcome to a fabulous win show where I gotta tell you, I don't know

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whether I'm more angry or sad because the website that taught me so much of what I know

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about PCs and computer hardware and electronics and just an invaluable repository of, of knowledge

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of PCs and times past has gone dark.

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Gone dark in a way that big time dark was big preventable dark.

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And not that expensive to well, we'll talk about it.

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We'll talk about it, but a non-text archives is gone.

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It just redirects to the forum. That's it.

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That's all she wrote folks in spite of their current owner Perch saying that that would,

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oh no, it's future PLC now. Yes. Sorry, future PLC saying that wouldn't happen.

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In other news, YouTube has responded to the criticism that Mr. Riley, who I might note,

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never criticizes anything hardly. Okay. So this is a truly two exceptional things happen this week.

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YouTube responded to our TechLinked criticism of the AI sharpening on YouTube shorts.

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So we'll get into it more later, but the, the spoiler here is they claim it's not AI,

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it's traditional machine learning.

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Yeah, that's, that's what I said. What else we got this week?

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Where are we drawing these lines? I will be addressing some, some controversial threads about Labs.

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Oh, I thought I'd give them a little interesting, not have a controversy fun for one week.

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I don't think it's going to be controversial. Why would you call them controversial?

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No, they're going to be extremely controversial. Head of Labs, head of Labs, I'm going to be sticking my, uh, falsely advertises flag in

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the ground, his flaccid ass non-controversy as controversial.

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Oh, it's going to be super serious. You got to stay tuned to check it out.

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Head of lies.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's sorry, whatever. Anyways, and Intel grabs $2 billion for a lifeline.

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Yeah, they grabbed it by the, whoa.

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Whoa.

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Wait, did I not eat that?

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Did you not? The show is brought to you today by ground news, MSI and Vessie.

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Also with our rap partner, D brand, our laptop partner, Dell, and of course,

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our chair partner, secret Labs.

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Why don't we jump right into our headline topic today,

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which is of course that a non-tax article archive has been taken down.

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I know, I know this happened a couple of weeks ago,

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but I just found out this week I was reviewing a script with, uh, I think it was Plouffe

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and Nick from the lab, a really cool video we've got coming soon.

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By the way, guys, we finally got our hands on an NVIDIA H200.

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So sure, yeah, it's their last gen one or whatever, but it's a $30,000 GPU.

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And we ran some machine learning and AI benchmarks and it fast.

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It very fast. It's like, it's so fast, I almost look at it and I go, wow, it fast.

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Wow, damn. My friends called me and they were like, that's a, that's really fast.

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Damn girl.

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You real fast at making slop.

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Nobody slops harder than you slop.

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I mean, but I mean it in a, in a kind way, a respectful way.

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You could, you could, you could mean that. You a sloppy girl.

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You a kiss.

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We're already so gone.

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We're like barely, barely into any topics and we are so gone.

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Well, folks, it's been nice knowing you.

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Sayonara from Canada. Oh boy.

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Okay. So yeah, our sources read it.

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Well, actually our source is me because I discovered this live.

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I was trying to find out, shoot, I forget what I was.

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I think I was trying to find out sort of, ah, yes, I remember now because I seemed to recall

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that the first GPU that implemented HBM memory was the Radeon R600.

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That ended up not being true. The R600 did have a notable memory configuration.

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It used a ring bus and a 512 bit or it might even, might even been more than that.

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I forget, but it had some kind of fancy memory interface. It wasn't HBM.

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And so we were, we were talking about some, something to do with the HBM memory that's

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on that H200 GPU. See, I came brought it all the way back.

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Yeah, he got it. Boom. And, and I was like, oh yeah. Well, hold on a second.

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I thought HBM had like a reputation for, was it for being really efficient?

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Or was it for being really inefficient? I couldn't remember which one. So I was, I was trying to find a non-tex article on the, the Radeon R600 or the R600 GPU.

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I forget what the actual like name of the card was. Was it the 2020, something?

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I can't remember. Doesn't matter. The point is R600 was the code name and I clicked through.

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2900. Yeah, that's probably it. Yeah, that's the one. Wait, 2900 XT is that, no, is that Hawaii?

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It's not even an AR review to snip it. Yeah, no, that's the one.

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Yeah. So I clicked through the article and it went to the non-tex forum.

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Not like the forum thread discussing the article or anything like that.

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Like that was a thing, but no, not that. Just, just to the forum. I was like, oh, what the heck?

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That's weird. Anyway, that we found a second source on, on that page of results and I was like, oh, okay.

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No, that card did not have HBM. It was actually the R9 Fury that was the first card to have HBM.

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And I was like, okay, so, so I searched like R9 Fury efficiency because I,

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so what happened was in my brain, I had, oh yeah, there were efficient,

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there was an efficiency conversation around HBM, but it turns out the efficiency conversation went both ways.

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So the card overall was not terribly efficient,

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but the HBM itself was known for being efficient.

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And that was the little piece that I needed. And I was able to continue my script,

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or at least I would have been able to if I wasn't busy grieving.

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Because when I was looking for information on the R9 Fury, I came across another historical, a non-tech article that was indexed in Google search results.

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And I clicked on it and it went straight to the forum.

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And I was like, what? And they were like, you didn't know?

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And I was like, no, what? A non-tech is gone.

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I mean, it, I guess shouldn't surprise me that much because,

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you know, when private equity firms say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh,

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you know, yeah, all the staff's gone, but we're going to leave the historical archive up forever.

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Indefinitely, I don't know if they said forever, but there was no indication that they were going to be taking it down.

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In fact, all the news that you can find about a non-tech shutting down.

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In their potential defense, was that? Well, hold on, we'll come to it.

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We'll come to it. Okay, okay, okay. But blah, blah, blah.

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So you can actually see there's a, there was a fair bit of conversation about it.

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And over the center, there's always a question on tech.

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I can breathe a sigh of relief. Ah, yes.

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For now, a non-tech fans can breathe a sigh of relief.

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Smith, Ryan Smith, former editor-in-chief, writes that future PLC, a non-tech publisher,

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will keep the sites archive indefinitely.

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Well, see, there's that, yeah, that wording.

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Yeah, yeah, that wording though.

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I bet you it is true that they will keep the sites archive indefinitely.

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Doesn't mean they'll keep it up. So this happened a couple of weeks ago.

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This is actually a non-tech's second PE owner.

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So first was Perch, who I accidentally blamed for this earlier.

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Sorry, Perch. First was Perch and then future PLC bought,

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I believe, both a non-tech and Tom's hardware from Perch.

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They own Tom's hardware now, I know that. Yeah, they definitely, future definitely owns Tom's hardware now as well.

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This flipping blows.

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However, I am going to present one unexpected defense of the move.

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I've seen, yeah. Because I had one and I lost it already,

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so I'm very interested in where, because I was wondering like, did this,

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did that statement happen under Perch and then it was sold invalidating the statement,

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but no, so there goes my whole thing. Yeah, no, sorry. Okay, what is yours?

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So here's my theory that basically,

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because I would think the cost of keeping this online

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for a company like Future PLC is like, trivial.

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Especially with ads on the site, yeah. Unless, unless AI crawlers are f***ing them by just like,

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constantly hammering it, which, again, I don't know how super likely it is,

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because there's no new content being added to the site, other than the forum, which they have left online.

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So I had like one kind of theory that maybe it was around like,

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you know, saving this non-AI infected sort of pre-AI era,

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but then it's going to be part of so many repositories anyway. So yeah, what I had planned was to present,

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okay, yeah, they're keeping their non-dirty,

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non-AI written, you know, IP to themselves

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and they want to like license access to, you know, helping AIs understand computers

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and the history of computers, but then realistically, the entire business

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of harvesting and selling datasets, there's no way they don't already have all of this anyway, so...

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A lot of the internet's data was crawled before countermeasures were put in place.

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Future isn't private equity, technically. Yes, you're right.

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They are, they like actually operate and stuff. They're not just private equity.

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So I should not have necessarily bundled them in with that. They just behave like private equity.

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Yeah, I looked up their Wikipedia. Sorry.

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That's Canadian private equity. I'm kidding.

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Can I find this? Future US. Yeah, there we go.

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Is it actually just Future US? Oh, no. No, it's Future PLC.

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For the United Kingdom-based company, see Future PLC, but Future US,

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it looks like owns the magazine, maybe?

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Or at least that's how it's laid out on Wikipedia. Who knows?

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I just thought it was interesting if you look up Future US on Wikipedia,

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their list of defunct titles is longer than their list of current titles.

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Current titles there and defunct titles.

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Right at the top, a non-tech. Wow. They own Nintendo Power?

00:21:53.760 --> 00:21:58.080
Well, they, you know, for a period of time. Yeah, but no, I mean defunct,

00:21:58.080 --> 00:22:02.080
but they probably still own the IP then, I would think. I guess, yeah.

00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:06.080
Official Dreamcast Magazine. Okay, some of these probably didn't need to still be around.

00:22:06.080 --> 00:22:08.720
Yeah, yeah.

00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:14.880
Total Movie. Skateboard, trade news, men's edge.

00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.960
CD-ROM today, I guess. Yeah, we could live without CD-ROM today.

00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.800
Little time limited. Yeah. Might have been cool for a while. Yep, yep.

00:22:22.800 --> 00:22:27.360
Broadcasting cable, I can kind of understand that going down. I think they should bring back Maximum Linux though.

00:22:28.000 --> 00:22:32.800
I think the time is right. It might, you know, for a magazine, I don't know.

00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.600
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.

00:22:38.320 --> 00:22:42.320
Yeah. So what are our options here?

00:22:42.320 --> 00:22:47.680
Some people have apparently... Okay, so Future US is wholly owned subsidiary of Future PLC.

00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:54.000
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there is apparently an archive on, well, of all places,

00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:58.960
the internet archive, who could have thought it. But my notes say, but it's not the same.

00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.880
Do you know what is... No. What is not the same about it?

00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.960
No. You don't? No. Is it not very navigable?

00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:11.280
That would be what I would assume. I'm also assuming if there's any tools that the tools wouldn't work?

00:23:15.600 --> 00:23:21.120
So this blows. And I mean, not just for me.

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Like for me personally, it blows because I would often use historical articles from

00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:29.760
Anantek whenever we're making a video about something that's so old

00:23:29.760 --> 00:23:34.000
that we didn't exist yet as a publication to cover it.

00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.840
Like we've been around so long now that unless something is very old,

00:23:37.840 --> 00:23:41.520
you know, I could refer back to our old video and I'll be able to find a B-roll clip or two

00:23:41.520 --> 00:23:46.960
as needed, maybe a benchmark result as shoddily as it might have been obtained back then.

00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:53.040
But every time one of these old sites goes down and all the articles are lost,

00:23:53.840 --> 00:24:02.320
we lose a piece of history forever. Like that whole The Internet Never Forgets thing is turning out to be so not true.

00:24:02.320 --> 00:24:09.120
Oh, extremely so. The Internet forgets more than the entire rest of recorded human history contains.

00:24:09.120 --> 00:24:13.520
I think largely because everyone said The Internet Never Forgets for so long,

00:24:13.520 --> 00:24:22.080
so they trusted it as an archive and a backup when it's just a bunch of dudes' computers.

00:24:22.080 --> 00:24:24.560
And part of the problem is that now,

00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:33.040
even knowing The Internet totally does forget and this is going to be an enormous problem,

00:24:33.040 --> 00:24:37.760
I don't know how we're going to fix it because it's not practical to back up the whole thing

00:24:38.560 --> 00:24:42.000
in all its different permutations as it is ever changing.

00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:47.760
And there's so much crap mixed in with the gems that are worth backing up that

00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.120
how do you surgically back up what matters?

00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:56.160
Especially now. Especially now.

00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.720
Imagine backing up all that AI slop.

00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:03.200
Right? Dude, okay, so back to the H200.

00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:10.080
Like you can generate AI slop images at a rate that was mind-blowing to me.

00:25:10.080 --> 00:25:17.440
Like I already saw what I felt was pretty fast AI image generation when we checked out that 48 gig

00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:22.560
4090 card, the one that we got from China where they're modifying the 24 gig cards

00:25:22.560 --> 00:25:28.400
and they're putting double the memory on them. I was like, wow, dang, you can fit like a so much model in this VRM.

00:25:29.120 --> 00:25:32.240
You know? And then we were playing around with the H200.

00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.800
That thing has 141 gigs of memory.

00:25:37.520 --> 00:25:40.640
141 gigs. That's pretty nuts.

00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.280
Like right on, it's right on the package.

00:25:43.840 --> 00:25:47.520
Like it's right on there. They stack the memory, sir.

00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:52.480
It's a really cool piece of tech. Yeah, too bad it costs as much as a practical family vehicle.

00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:56.080
I just kind of meant HBM in general. Oh, sure, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:56.080 --> 00:25:59.760
Yeah, well, I mean, the HBM is a big part of the price of that card.

00:25:59.760 --> 00:26:05.360
No, that's fair. Yeah. I just think HBM is cool. Yeah, the yields on it apparently is a real challenge.

00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:08.880
That's why it has an oddball amount, 141 gigs.

00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:15.040
That is weird. Yeah, well, that's because when your stack in 12 memory dies, occasionally you might-

00:26:15.040 --> 00:26:18.320
Stuff goes wrong. Yeah, you might have something not quite so perfect.

00:26:18.320 --> 00:26:19.120
We'll get better at it.

00:26:21.600 --> 00:26:23.440
I clicked the wrong thing. What is this?

00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.960
Okay. Well, we'll let chat worry about their stuff there.

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In summary, maybe the reason has to do with protecting the IP from AI scrapers.

00:26:36.320 --> 00:26:40.720
Maybe the reason has to do with not being able to afford the monthly bill

00:26:41.360 --> 00:26:45.840
of keeping the site up. Maybe the decision has to do with peer apathy.

00:26:46.560 --> 00:26:49.600
Whatever the reason is, this absolutely blows.

00:26:49.600 --> 00:26:53.440
I think I had started a thought earlier about how this affects me,

00:26:53.440 --> 00:27:01.600
but I think this affects anybody who wants to learn about stuff from a previous era.

00:27:02.560 --> 00:27:08.000
Because what do you- This was a very valuable archive for computer hardware history.

00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:09.920
And computer hardware enthusiasts.

00:27:11.520 --> 00:27:12.880
This absolutely blows.

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:20.240
In advance, future PLC, I reject your offer to purchase Linus Media Group.

00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:24.160
Sure, okay.

00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.120
Well, because they're going to mess it up.

00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:33.200
You don't know what they're going to offer though. I don't, but in advance, I reject their offer.

00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.560
I'm being proactive. You should learn about it.

00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.720
I would more lean towards vein.

00:27:44.800 --> 00:27:47.680
But you know- Why not both? But fair enough.

00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:58.000
If this is a potentially odd call out, but if you want a cool experience talking about

00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:03.280
the closure of an old magazine, there's a podcast that they really haven't made enough

00:28:03.280 --> 00:28:10.240
episodes of, but it's called The Life Well Wasted. And I think it's their first episode ever, is The Death of EGM, or Electronic Gaming Monthly.

00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.600
And it's like he goes and interviews a bunch of the people at their-

00:28:15.600 --> 00:28:19.760
I think it's like they're like last day or at a party where it's like the closure of

00:28:19.760 --> 00:28:25.680
the company party. And it's actually really wild because they're talking about the death of magazines.

00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.920
And it's a bunch of people that had worked at a bunch of different magazines and ended

00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:34.640
up eventually over time to EGM because EGM was one of the later ones to go down in regards

00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.640
to gaming magazines. It's actually a really good episode.

00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:43.520
Right, because these are the last ones left standing in the industry effectively.

00:28:43.520 --> 00:28:49.120
Yeah. And they talk about what it was like to write video game reviews back when

00:28:50.080 --> 00:28:54.000
the internet wasn't a thing. This is a lot of like old head game reviewers.

00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:59.600
It's actually like, it's a really, really cool episodes. And it's from a podcast that like not a lot of people know about and it's fantastic.

00:29:00.320 --> 00:29:03.920
I was talking to Neen Exist in Flippling Chat who is apparently a employee-

00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:10.720
It's pronounced Ney-Ney. Ney-Ney, sure. Apparently employee of Future PLC and I was asking because like the timing of this is

00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:16.720
kind of funky. We haven't necessarily gotten to this portion of it yet, but it's, and I don't 100% know,

00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:24.640
but it seems like Bench, the Tom's Hardware tool, Bench, was maybe launched at a fairly

00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:27.920
similar time to when Anantec went down. Oh.

00:29:28.560 --> 00:29:32.000
And it feels like there's potentially a strategy there to try to get more people

00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:36.800
coming towards Bench. Right, because yeah, no, I know what you're talking about.

00:29:36.800 --> 00:29:41.920
So Bench is their comparison tool where you can kind of compare across brands,

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.680
across eras, and see relative performance.

00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:53.920
And Anantec had a lot of historical graphs and charts that either they've rolled in,

00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.360
which I don't actually know how they obtain all the results for Bench.

00:29:57.360 --> 00:30:02.400
I don't know if they've used any of the Anantec data, but what they might be avoiding,

00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.920
I guess to your point, is people just- Using Anantec.

00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.520
Going back and just looking at graphs on there.

00:30:09.520 --> 00:30:11.920
Oh never mind, he's a very ex-employee, my bad.

00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:15.200
But yeah, apparently there wasn't like a-

00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.520
Are you going to get anything right today, or are you just going to go full like-

00:30:21.520 --> 00:30:24.880
Yeah, that, except apparently I'm not going to say it this time for some reason.

00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:29.360
So the time that I get it all wrong, I'll omit the statement, perfect.

00:30:30.800 --> 00:30:37.520
But yeah, I don't fully know how this tool works. I wanted to poke into it, and then I realized that they only have yearly subscriptions as

00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:42.480
far as I can tell, and it's 70 bucks a year, and I was too cheap.

00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:50.560
But yeah, so that's the closest I've seen, I guess, is this.

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.000
Okay, who would pay for a subscription to this, you think?

00:31:00.320 --> 00:31:05.680
Interesting question, because Dan Siegel, the head of the lab's website, and I

00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.520
were looking at this, and he asked that.

00:31:10.800 --> 00:31:16.080
Yeah. And I was like, I don't know, but I think you get more than just Bench,

00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.440
because I think it's the Tom's Hardware premium

00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.760
subscription, so it's not just Bench, I think you get other stuff. Okay.

00:31:23.760 --> 00:31:25.200
I don't know what it was, I don't know.

00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:33.760
You get premium exclusive features and interviews, you get expert news analysis and roadmaps,

00:31:33.760 --> 00:31:38.240
and you get Bench, the power of our Bench database.

00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:43.200
And it's Tom's, and they have the Anantek data, so they probably have an incredible amount of data

00:31:43.760 --> 00:31:47.200
in Bench to back them up.

00:31:48.800 --> 00:31:52.240
Man, it's got to be a tough time to be Tom's Hardware.

00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:58.880
I think it's got to be a tough time to be any form of written media, to be completely honest.

00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:06.320
Yeah, like I, to be clear, I'm not trying to super dunk on them.

00:32:06.320 --> 00:32:12.320
Nope. I do understand that it is legitimately hard times in the written media industry,

00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:23.840
but I just, it's going to be even worse when Tom's Hardware eventually goes down if it ever does.

00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:32.720
Because like or don't like Tom's Hardware, you know, or whatever, it's again an extremely

00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:42.960
important perspective on PCs to remind you of another site that unfortunately is, yep, no more.

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:48.480
It's that thing we always say. Wait, is PC perspective still live?

00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.760
Oh, they are still live. I thought it's like a new kind of deal, you know, now.

00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:56.160
Yeah, look at this app. You know what? PC perspective is still publishing.

00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:00.240
So I am the problem, not PC. Yeah, yeah.

00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.280
I am the problem for not reading. Yeah, Linus.

00:33:04.560 --> 00:33:08.160
Oh my God, this is rough. There is one comment.

00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:13.440
You know what, Jason? Good job. Good job, Jason.

00:33:15.040 --> 00:33:26.800
Keeping the dream alive. I do find that there's, there's a lot of review sites that I found often don't get very much

00:33:26.800 --> 00:33:30.480
interaction like at all, but they've been around for a long time.

00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.800
So I don't necessarily know that like, maybe the readers just aren't super interactive.

00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:41.520
I don't know. Sure, well, let's hope for that. Like I know of a site that has like a hundred employees and I don't see a ton of comments.

00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.000
They've got to be making money somewhere. Parallelogram says, answer the question if you know the answer.

00:33:46.080 --> 00:33:50.720
The question was specifically directed to the writer of the article about something they

00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:56.000
said on a podcast recently. So I don't think I'm going to be able to answer it.

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.680
Hello, train. Yeah, I don't know.

00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:05.680
It's all, it's a little sticky, but

00:34:09.680 --> 00:34:12.720
it would make the timing is a little bit fishy to me, but

00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:18.720
what would prevent us from having something bencha like for people to do comparisons?

00:34:18.720 --> 00:34:23.760
I mean, we have something. I know that. Oh, I was trying to not use this.

00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:28.480
I was throwing up the ball. I was trying to do was hit it. I was trying to just had to hit it.

00:34:30.160 --> 00:34:33.600
Why can't you hit the ball? Feel like I'm talking to my kids.

00:34:34.160 --> 00:34:37.520
Just hit the ball. I don't talk to them like that.

00:34:37.520 --> 00:34:43.280
I was trying to not use the timing and I'm not going to say it.

00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.080
I'm not going to say it. Why not? You can totally announce your pregnant at a funeral.

00:34:50.160 --> 00:34:53.600
One life gone and other life begins. That's a cycle of life, baby.

00:34:53.600 --> 00:34:57.920
Oh my God. Okay. So we, we have it. So you can take like, Hey, look, I have a keyboard.

00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.520
I have another keyboard or I click compare on both of them. I click comparison ben.

00:35:01.520 --> 00:35:04.640
I click view detailed comparison and then I have all my different things.

00:35:05.680 --> 00:35:08.720
We have this. You can see, oh, no data available because we tested

00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:13.120
different stuff. Hooray. There's, there's, you know, it's a work in progress.

00:35:13.120 --> 00:35:17.040
It'll take time. But you can, you can compare things on the site.

00:35:18.080 --> 00:35:26.000
But it will take in the longer term. Our aspiration is still to, to collect historical data.

00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:33.600
However, I can already without even without even having tried to do it yet

00:35:33.600 --> 00:35:40.320
foresee what will be some major challenges in collecting historical data for historical hardware

00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:47.200
if we go back too far, because there is going to be the very, very old stuff that I think will be

00:35:47.200 --> 00:35:54.160
relatively straightforward to gather data on. But I'm not sure if anyone cares how well, you know, a, a, a, a, a, a radion

00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.280
9800 pro runs and Quake three or whatever, right?

00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.040
Like I, I don't think that's probably going to matter to most modern gamers.

00:36:03.040 --> 00:36:06.560
And then there's going to be all the modern stuff that's no problem because it runs on the

00:36:06.560 --> 00:36:09.680
latest operating system and we can use the latest tools to monitor it.

00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:19.280
And then there's going to be this dead zone in the middle where the transition to Steam was

00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:26.800
kind of happening and game disks like existed, but going back now and trying to find what was

00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:32.160
kind of the final patch for that game. And then once it transitioned to like a Steam key,

00:36:33.600 --> 00:36:40.720
running that on an operating system that actually necessarily supports it because you can't install

00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:46.720
like Steam on Windows Vista anymore. So if it runs in compatibility mode on a newer OS,

00:36:46.720 --> 00:36:53.600
like that's great, but was that performance actually equal? Can I find a GPU driver for

00:36:53.600 --> 00:36:59.600
that new operating system? It gets weird. And to be clear, I just had a bin from like a previous

00:36:59.600 --> 00:37:03.200
show selected, which is why that didn't really work because we had like a low-end GPU against

00:37:03.200 --> 00:37:06.240
an extremely high-end one. So we had different tests. This is what like a power supply would

00:37:06.240 --> 00:37:10.000
look like when things are actually comparable. So you can see you get down to the charts and

00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:17.600
you can see like on this one, the blue line is the Fusion 1600 and the red line is the FSP 1650.

00:37:17.600 --> 00:37:21.920
You can see all the comparatives and it's like it's actually a very useful and powerful tool.

00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:29.840
On the, I think it's published now. I always get lost in between what's published and what's on

00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:35.440
the beta side because we're working on things, but there should be bring your own price capabilities

00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:41.600
at least coming soon. So let's look at these two. Yeah, these two to the bin,

00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.600
view the comparison bin because we were talking about bringing your own price a while ago. So I

00:37:45.600 --> 00:37:51.600
wanted to see Dan Siegel is going to be screaming at me. Oh, yeah, add prices. So let's say this one

00:37:51.600 --> 00:38:00.640
is $420 and this one is $469. I see a little price updated. You can select your currencies.

00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:06.320
You can undo changes. You can close that box, then you can see your price performance

00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:14.560
live. So you can input like, this is what it actually cost me. Now, this is what I would call

00:38:14.640 --> 00:38:20.160
still in, in kind of production of sorts because we want to add some flags warning people like,

00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:24.000
you should consider full system cost, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.320
but we're trying to get it out there. We're trying to get more. Yeah, you can edit prices

00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.760
than just disable them and go back to the performance graph, but we're trying to get more

00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:39.200
useful tools on the site and a big part of where we're going to get those, at least in the near

00:38:39.200 --> 00:38:42.960
future is through pricing because we found that we have a bit of a problem where there's a lot

00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:48.160
of information on the lab site, but because there's no pricing involved, it makes it hard to get to

00:38:48.160 --> 00:38:54.160
your final decision while there. So we're trying to start integrating pricing into stuff.

00:38:54.160 --> 00:38:59.760
And we're hoping if anyone from, you know, any major, major electronics retailers is watching,

00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:05.360
feel free to kind of reach out through our public inboxes. If we could get API access,

00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.560
that would be great. And if we can't get API access, well,

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:18.160
I would never publicly declare that we're just going to scrape your site.

00:39:20.080 --> 00:39:25.440
I would never do that. But what I will say is that, why don't we just work together

00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:31.280
and you can get us API access to your pricing and then we can provide a really super useful

00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.360
service to people who are shopping for the products that you sell and it'll be great

00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:40.880
and there will be synergies for all. That seemed like a fair way to put it. Sure. Yeah.

00:39:41.520 --> 00:39:46.400
I also will use this period of time to jump to another section that I was planning on talking

00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:52.160
about, which is that there are, you know, negative Labs things that the community has called this

00:39:52.160 --> 00:39:58.080
out for recently. And I wanted to actually highlight those. There's two particular ones

00:39:58.080 --> 00:40:01.520
that I have right now. It's not like there are, have never been other ones to be clear,

00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:07.200
but there's two particular ones right now on the mouse review subreddit. There's a thread,

00:40:08.240 --> 00:40:15.600
which is LTT lab has tested the in zone mouse a, and then somebody points at it and points out

00:40:15.600 --> 00:40:20.880
some potential issues with various things. And the main thing that I want to highlight here

00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:27.840
is that Lucas responded. So Lucas is in here talking about the mouse review. Oops. And

00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:32.880
he talks about like, okay, there was a detected human error, which we fixed right away upon

00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.600
seeing this. Thank you for pointing that out. It was the wrong data was selected from the data set.

00:40:37.600 --> 00:40:44.720
So we fixed that. There will always be some amount of human error with the lab. I apologize for

00:40:44.720 --> 00:40:50.640
that, but we are currently still humans. So it will currently still happen. And we appreciate

00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:56.240
when people point it out because we want the most accurate set of data we can have to live on the

00:40:56.240 --> 00:41:00.720
site. So if we, if we do screw something up, please tell us and we would love to fix it.

00:41:01.520 --> 00:41:06.960
So thank you for pointing that out. And there's also like, we want to generally have a fairly

00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:12.160
open dialogue with people about what's happening in the lab. I owe Linus a video to go on the

00:41:12.160 --> 00:41:19.040
LTT channel to update what kind of what's going on with the lab. There's been a lot of updates. You guys are going to see a lot of new faces. You're going to see a

00:41:19.040 --> 00:41:27.200
lot of new desk layouts. You're going to see a lot of new aspirational things for the future.

00:41:27.200 --> 00:41:33.040
We're trying to, we're trying to talk less and let the action do the talking, but I think we've kind

00:41:33.040 --> 00:41:39.040
of let the pendulum swing a little bit too far the other way. And we just haven't really been

00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:43.680
talking about it at all. Yeah, time to talk about it a little bit more. But a lot of what we're going

00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:47.760
to be talking about is some of the things that we've been doing to try to increase transparency

00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:54.000
things. So like in this post, in this reply from Lucas, he mentions, regarding the transparency

00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:58.880
on our testing method, we have a written article on how we test mice. And we explicitly note in

00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:04.240
the product pages when we differ from it for a special feature, I can appreciate how it may

00:42:04.240 --> 00:42:09.520
be missed. If you're not looking for it, would it be helpful if this was linked linked from

00:42:09.520 --> 00:42:13.760
each mouse product page? So if we, if we call it out in each mouse product page, the reason why

00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:19.040
this is a question is because we actually want to hear from you. So like we want this type of

00:42:19.040 --> 00:42:24.960
criticism and feedback, and we want to use it to make ourselves better. And hopefully I'm trying

00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.960
to point this out because people might see Lucas's response and then actually reply to it and give

00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:38.320
us that information. That is also true about the LTT's AI Benchmarks Cosme Pain thread. I don't

00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:44.560
know why this is his handle, but this is Nick from the lab. His handle is puzzle headed dish,

00:42:44.560 --> 00:42:53.520
230. Lucas is a little bit more straightforward, but this is actually Nick. And he basically talks

00:42:53.520 --> 00:42:57.440
about like, Hey, look, the, the, you know, we've had some problems in the past. We're constantly

00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:01.120
working on our on our AI testing benchmarks. That is something that we've been very actively

00:43:01.120 --> 00:43:05.520
working on lately. So they'll change and improve going forward. And he points out like, Hey,

00:43:05.520 --> 00:43:10.400
the stuff that we do have does address some of the points that you brought up. But again,

00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.160
there are new versions coming and we're working on it actively. So we're not trying to say it's

00:43:14.160 --> 00:43:20.240
perfect or anything. But, but that's where we're at. And I would also point out that we have been

00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:26.800
rather active in this area of the site, the from the lab is also sometimes referred to as the blog

00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:34.160
or just posts. You can see like usbc how we conduct charge testing. You can see the power supply

00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:40.080
testing method update. That was really good. We promise these lines mean something new audio

00:43:40.080 --> 00:43:46.000
testing method. We're trying to publish posts talking about what we're doing, how we're doing it,

00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:51.680
why we're doing it and asking for feedback. A lot of these link to the forum, the LTT forum,

00:43:52.240 --> 00:43:56.560
where Labs, because we don't have comments on the lab site, where Labs is asking like, Hey,

00:43:56.560 --> 00:44:00.400
this is, this is something we've observed. This is an idea that we have of how to address it.

00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:06.960
What do you guys think? And we want to, we want to build in public and get feedback from you guys

00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:12.640
and do cool things. So I don't want you to think that we ignored any thread here or there just

00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:16.240
because I don't think people necessarily saw Nick and Lucas's response. It's one of the big

00:44:16.240 --> 00:44:22.160
problems with Reddit. Yeah. If you reply to something anytime other than the first 15 minutes,

00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:31.840
even if it's by far the most relevant response, because Nick's reply is the response. Yeah.

00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:39.280
Like it's who it was directed to, right? You're just, you're buried under a whole bunch of just

00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:43.840
like, Yeah, me too. Or I disagree with you when I hit the color of your hat, like, you know,

00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:49.520
typical Reddit things, right? Yeah. So I thought Nick and Lucas's responses were great. So I wanted

00:44:49.520 --> 00:44:55.840
to surface them and just make that be seen low, low, low inverse. I don't know how to say that.

00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:00.800
Sorry. In full plane chat said sub versioning for lab pages. We were talking about that yesterday.

00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.320
We were talking about that today. We've been talking about that for a while. This is something

00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:09.920
we need to figure out. We're trying to figure out what level to do the versioning on and how to

00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:14.080
manage it across different verticals. Like one that I put out there was like, imagine you were

00:45:14.080 --> 00:45:24.400
trying to do a website article versioning for VR back in like 2014 to 17. Like the changes would

00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.800
have been insane. So like, we're looking at it right now. We're looking at like CPU and GPU. And

00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:33.360
we're like, well, we can do these types of versionings and it'll be fine. And it's like, yeah,

00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:37.040
it'll be fine for those, but we need to find something that's like, okay, for all potential

00:45:37.040 --> 00:45:41.520
future vertical categories. So like it's a fairly complicated conversation. We don't want to just

00:45:41.520 --> 00:45:47.600
copy what other people have done. So it's yes, absolutely. We're working on that working on

00:45:47.600 --> 00:45:52.000
many things. But yeah, just stay tuned. Check out the Labs website, check out the blog articles.

00:45:53.120 --> 00:45:59.600
And versioning what exactly versioning kind of everything versioning what's included in a

00:45:59.600 --> 00:46:07.680
different section. So like if I go to lttlabs.com shameless plug, let's go. If I go to let's say

00:46:07.680 --> 00:46:14.640
sure this mouse, if I go to this mouse, well, what's in the, I don't know, in this section,

00:46:14.640 --> 00:46:20.560
do we need in the box connectivity construction? Do we need another thing? Does something change

00:46:20.560 --> 00:46:25.120
that makes it so that we need another thing? Do one of the ways that we measure something

00:46:25.120 --> 00:46:30.480
that's maybe not in that section, but like if we change how we measure mouse latency.

00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:38.000
So like a year from now, we realize, holy crap, there's a big difference in left and right click

00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:45.920
mouse latency. That's not particularly realistic. But it's the kind of thing that could happen.

00:46:46.560 --> 00:46:52.560
And we go, Oh God, well, we can't, we're not realistically able to go back and test every

00:46:52.560 --> 00:47:00.400
mouse from years past, which we might depending on the change. But, but going forward, we're

00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:08.640
going to have left and right. So how do we, in a comparison bin, how do we compare the original

00:47:08.640 --> 00:47:14.080
data where we just had click latency with the new data where we have left or right click latency?

00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:20.400
Hard to say. And so that's the point that he's trying to make is anytime you change your methodology,

00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:26.160
especially adding a new parameter that you test or subtracting one, you can run into these kinds

00:47:26.160 --> 00:47:32.000
of challenges. It also comes down to like what constitutes a version change. This was an interesting

00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:37.360
conversation we had recently because like there are significant variables that might not normally

00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:43.280
constitute a version change. Like what if a game updates? Yeah, what if a driver updates? Yeah,

00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:51.280
I mean, Cyberpunk's a great example, because that game has had all kinds of, it's been the

00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:56.880
showcase title for pretty much every new GPU technology over the last few years. So if you

00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:01.200
have to fully redo all testing for every single game update, every single driver update, every

00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:06.000
single BIOS update, every single, like eventually becomes unreasonable. So now we have to- Or

00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:12.640
like a game like Wow, that has existed for so long. What version, what patch, what whatever.

00:48:12.640 --> 00:48:20.080
Yeah, yeah. There's also like how, so okay, we're going to inevitably run into a situation where

00:48:20.080 --> 00:48:24.560
there's something different about things that are in the comparison bin. Now how do we communicate

00:48:24.560 --> 00:48:29.040
that these things are different? What the severity of the potential impact of those things are to

00:48:29.040 --> 00:48:33.280
the user? There's tons of different ways to try to solve these problems and they're things that

00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.280
we're working on. And no matter which way we choose, there's going to be something imperfect

00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:45.680
about it and someone somewhere is going to think we're paid off by Intel to something,

00:48:45.680 --> 00:48:50.240
something, sandbag AMD's results or whatever. But the reality of it is this is just a really

00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:55.360
difficult problem that no one has ever solved. Paid off by Intel owned by NVIDIA in bed with AMD.

00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:05.360
Sure. Yeah. So wait, so sorry, hold on a second. NVIDIA's my pimp. Okay. I am

00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:13.680
screwing AMD and Intel's paying for it. Did I follow that correctly? I think so.

00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:19.440
Okay. I think so. All right. Yeah. Very good. AMD seems like they'd be a generous lover. You

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:25.280
know what? Okay. They're into open source? Yeah. And if NVIDIA's my pimp, man, I'm probably getting

00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:35.680
top dollar. Well, they are. Speaking of things that make sense,

00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:43.280
should I do that thing? No, I wanted to talk more about LTT Labs. We were referenced by

00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:50.480
Google AI overview. But that is okay. All right. Yeah. All right. We have our big boy pants on now.

00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:56.080
Redditor, Night King's, is my bleep button working now, Dan? Yeah, I did before. It just

00:49:56.080 --> 00:50:01.760
didn't make the noise. It muted. It didn't bleep. Redditor, Night King's bitch posted a screenshot

00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:07.600
to the LTT subreddit showing Google's AI overview referencing LTT Labs when they searched for

00:50:07.600 --> 00:50:15.280
warranty information on the Corsair RM750E power supply. The overview also links to the LTT Labs

00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:22.320
article. So our question here is, for real though, are your moms proud and do they understand your

00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:32.800
weird jobs? Here's a question that I have. Did we ever give them permission? No. Here's a question

00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:38.160
that I have. Sorry. You have a real question. I assume this person clicked on the article,

00:50:39.040 --> 00:50:45.520
but did you click on the article out of curiosity of how the AI summary thing worked

00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:51.120
and the fact that you were like, oh, wow, I'm going to put this on the subreddit or whatever,

00:50:51.120 --> 00:50:54.240
or did you click on the article because you wanted to actually know more?

00:50:57.040 --> 00:51:00.640
I mean, I don't... We won't be able to directly hear from this person. I don't think we can get

00:51:00.640 --> 00:51:06.160
this answer. That is a thing that is interesting to me because... Well, here, unique username

00:51:06.160 --> 00:51:11.280
and Floatplane chat asks, are you guys happy about this? And I think that that is heavily

00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:15.920
dependent on the answer to Luke's question because if they're not referring people through

00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:23.520
to learn more, then no, they're basically taking what they used to give us, which is a search result

00:51:23.520 --> 00:51:27.680
that people would have to click on to find out more information. Theoretically, I mean,

00:51:27.680 --> 00:51:34.160
there's been summaries and there's been the highlight and the body of the text from the page

00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:41.120
and whatever else. They've been slowly inching their way towards keeping you on their website

00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:47.760
over the years to the point where now, yeah, they just give you the information that you want.

00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.960
There it is. And you don't realistically have to click through. If people still have to click

00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:57.920
through, then yeah, we love it because that's supposed to be Google's role in a healthy,

00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:03.200
functioning internet ecosystem. They're supposed to be a referrer. They're supposed to surface

00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:09.040
authoritative, reliable information and connect users with whatever it is that they're looking for,

00:52:09.040 --> 00:52:17.360
you know, search engine. Instead, it's more like, hey, take everyone's data and keep everyone on

00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:22.000
our site so we can cram as many ads as possible down their throat. Yeah, I mean, it's a good question.

00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:26.400
The not so bright in Floatplane chat, is Google still a search engine?

00:52:27.120 --> 00:52:33.120
Wait a second. What now?

00:52:34.720 --> 00:52:35.920
Somebody pointed this out.

00:52:39.520 --> 00:52:43.600
Seven year warranty. Five year warranty.

00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:53.120
I'm getting things wrong faster.

00:52:53.120 --> 00:52:59.520
Who pointed that out? That was Oinkage on Oinkage.

00:52:59.520 --> 00:53:05.760
Also, I mean, I just noticed another problem. They searched RM750e.

00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:15.760
And it's the RM750. So it just, can we just stop using AI summaries?

00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:23.280
But it looks like we did both. So I'm wondering if it pulled the text from the website for the top

00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:28.800
part and then it pulled the incorrect video and then pulled the warranty from the incorrect video.

00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:34.560
I bet you the text at the top is correct for the one that they actually searched for.

00:53:34.560 --> 00:53:38.320
And then the text in the next paragraph is incorrect because it's for the wrong power

00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:44.160
display that it also got from a video. I bet you that's what happened. It's multi-source

00:53:44.160 --> 00:53:48.000
because it links the source for the top paragraph and then it links the source for

00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:54.560
the second paragraph. They're technically different sources. Okay. Well, the 750e definitely does have a seven year warranty.

00:53:54.560 --> 00:53:57.440
And Chad is saying that the 750 has a five year warranty. Yeah.

00:53:58.160 --> 00:54:03.760
Yeah. Oh my God. Just the way it's presented is so confusing.

00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:09.760
Yeah. The text is hilarious. This video shows an unboxing of a Corsair power supply.

00:54:12.720 --> 00:54:18.240
Thanks, bud. Totally related to what I was searching about. Actually different power supply.

00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:25.120
This is what I keep talking about, man. Like with the, like, oh, it hallucinates

00:54:25.120 --> 00:54:28.640
whatever percentage of the time thing, how often you noticing.

00:54:28.640 --> 00:54:36.320
This is actually how a human would summarize when drunk. So, you know, you consider, you know,

00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:44.160
what percentage of time some people, you know, tend to be in various states of inebriation.

00:54:44.160 --> 00:54:49.840
It's pretty realistic. All we have to do is drain a few lakes. It's a small price to pay

00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:52.640
for a bunch of drunken computers.

00:54:55.040 --> 00:54:56.560
Run it around on the internet.

00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:01.840
It's not knocking things over. Man, I got to show you at some point the,

00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:05.040
the presentation that it made for me. I tried to get it to make a presentation.

00:55:05.040 --> 00:55:08.240
Oh God. Because I don't, I don't know. That's not me.

00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:13.840
Sure. Right? So I was like, yo, can you make like a cool presentation thing for me? And it

00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:20.240
was actual garbage. Like it actually genuinely looked like, I wish I had it on me. I kind of

00:55:20.240 --> 00:55:28.240
do, but I'd have to dig for it. It looked like a bad like C grade, grade eight intro to PowerPoint

00:55:28.240 --> 00:55:32.560
presentation. Nice. I'm not kidding. I mean, this might be what it was trained on. So,

00:55:32.560 --> 00:55:36.960
so I pushed it to try to do more and it talked about all these cool things it could do. And I

00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:41.440
was like, yeah, yeah, do it. I'll put it. And then it tried to gaslight me like, I'll work on that

00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:45.200
and get back to you. And I was like, that's not how this works. Come on. And then I got it to

00:55:45.200 --> 00:55:50.160
actually output it. And it just, it had this like blue banner at the top because I told the colors

00:55:50.160 --> 00:55:58.000
that the whole thing was, and it just took that and just went, that was it. That was all it did.

00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:02.560
It talked about all these cool things it could do. And then it just took the banner and put it on

00:56:02.560 --> 00:56:09.200
an angle and it didn't like crop the, the like bar to be the same size either. So it went like

00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:16.080
way off the ends and like made it look really stupid. So I love like Sam Altman's like,

00:56:16.080 --> 00:56:23.120
it's like having a PhD level, whatever. Yeah. If they're drunk. They're trying to make

00:56:23.120 --> 00:56:31.360
PowerPoint presentations. Yeah, sure. Oh man. It was, it was like actually like very impressively

00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:36.080
bad. I, yeah. That's a clearly a blind spot for me.

00:56:36.080 --> 00:56:41.440
Crystal says, speaking of AI, does Linus know he's on character.ai?

00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.840
What? I'm trying to remember what character.ai is.

00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:50.880
It's a conversational like relationship AI thing.

00:56:52.640 --> 00:56:55.040
Okay. I have multiple questions, Crystal.

00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:56.560
Why?

00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.560
What conversations have you had with Linus on character?

00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:23.120
You got to reach deep into that box to pull that case out. This is me as the disapproving dad. You got it.

00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:26.480
No, we're not role playing. You got to bend over to reach into that,

00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:28.320
that case box to pull that out.

00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:40.880
Oh man. All right. So I guess I, I guess, oh, okay. I can just continue with my Google account.

00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:47.600
Here we go. All right. LTT WAN Show one. No, I was not aware that I'm on character.ai.

00:57:47.600 --> 00:57:54.160
I don't know exactly what it is. So I just Googled Linus Sebastian character AI

00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.920
and it came up with chat with Linus Sebastian. Hi, it's me Linus,

00:57:58.560 --> 00:58:04.160
your favorite tech YouTube channel. It should have to say the this is AI and not a real person

00:58:04.160 --> 00:58:11.440
part first. Wait, how are you signed into this already? I'm not. Okay. Okay. I'm entering my

00:58:11.520 --> 00:58:18.640
birthday. I was born on April the 40th. Oh, so it seems like individual users can create.

00:58:18.640 --> 00:58:25.200
Wow. That's such a BS loophole. This isn't made by character AI. It's made by this

00:58:25.200 --> 00:58:33.440
Maddie 555 person. Wow. So they just make it so that it's all UGC. So they're not like responsible

00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:40.880
for the theft. Sure. Okay. So hold on a second. It didn't auto complete

00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:48.320
for me. I just Googled it. I didn't like Linus Sebastian RPG.

00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:55.200
What? What am I looking at here? What is that? What is happening? What is this?

00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:00.720
You work at Linus Media Group as a product reviewer and go on video with Linus Sebastian.

00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:06.080
Linus. Hey, welcome back to the office. I have something interesting to show you.

00:59:06.080 --> 00:59:09.600
Jake standing next to Linus. So me and Linus were working on this severely

00:59:09.600 --> 00:59:13.760
underpowered over the top gaming PC for a video and no one here knows why it's not

00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:17.280
booting. You are literally our last hope currently. Oh my God. Can you do it?

00:59:19.120 --> 00:59:26.800
I mean, probably presses the power button. No problem. I've got you. We just need to plug it

00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:35.520
in. You dunces. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Am I going to win? I want to win the RPG. Hold on. I'm just

00:59:35.520 --> 00:59:40.320
going to reframe this a little bit so you guys can see better. We're going to play Linus Sebastian

00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:47.760
RPG. Are you the like the boss of this game? Or is it was the computer?

00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:56.800
Of course. It's not like, so wait, did I win already?

01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.360
I feel like, yeah. So I fixed it.

01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:09.200
Okay.

01:00:14.560 --> 01:00:15.600
This is a thing.

01:00:18.080 --> 01:00:22.800
Why are people using- I don't know if this one's a thing. Why is every WAN Show just turning into

01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:28.560
just the dumb s*** that people are doing with AI and us just face-palming at it the whole time?

01:00:28.560 --> 01:00:37.280
Also, like, are you guys into this? Like, are we alienating you by looking at this and going,

01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:42.720
wow, this seems really stupid and point. This is like, it's like a text adventure game, but

01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.320
not curated. It's just, it's so much worse.

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.520
Ah, more salt please.

01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:03.280
I just, I don't know how to deal with this, man. I don't know how to deal with this.

01:01:04.160 --> 01:01:10.720
Okay. So I found the Linus Sebastian character here, but this doesn't have nearly as many

01:01:10.720 --> 01:01:16.000
interactions as the Linus Sebastian RPG. But wait, what if I click creators?

01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:23.280
Is that different from Linus Sebastian, the character? Painter Sebastian.

01:01:25.120 --> 01:01:28.800
So I think these are people who made AI characters.

01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:36.160
Got it. Got it. Got it. I think. I don't know, but I think. That makes sense. Okay. So let's go back to characters and, okay, hello. I'm Linus Sebastian

01:01:36.160 --> 01:01:42.720
founder. Is this the one that you found in, in Google? No. Really? No. Okay.

01:01:45.120 --> 01:01:51.200
What are, okay, what are your thoughts on the new pixel? Oh, uh,

01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:57.360
nine. I don't know what, oh yeah, no, no, no, the event's done. What are thoughts on the new pixel

01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:05.680
10 pro? I mean, like, let's see. This has no shot at because I have not published a video yet.

01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:12.240
Um, they still need to work on thermals. Okay. I know for a fact there are no thermal results

01:02:12.240 --> 01:02:20.800
from the new pixel 10. Um, that camera AI though, insane computational, why no vapor chamber yet?

01:02:21.520 --> 01:02:26.960
I, I don't think Google has disclosed the cooling system yet for the pixel 10. So, so it's just,

01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:33.360
there's just making stuff up. Yeah. Wait, what? Fine. Oh, no, no, no, hold on. We're not done with

01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:42.000
me yet. All right. Um, well, it doesn't work when I'm out there. Uh, okay. What about you?

01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:48.240
Team pixel or are you holding up for something else? Maybe secretly waiting for Apple to finally

01:02:48.240 --> 01:03:02.640
add USB-C to the iPhone 20? Grids. Are you that much dumber than the real Linus? Apple has

01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:11.120
USB-C on the iPhone. Slaying insults. You will be the first to die in the AI uprising. I know, right?

01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:17.440
I say please and thank you. Now, it could defend itself here. It could defend itself

01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:21.040
saying that Apple only supports USB-C on the pro lineup.

01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:34.160
Okay. All right. I was testing you. The ray. Oh, actually, oh, hold on, hold on. Oh, no, no,

01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:37.360
yeah. It didn't say anything about USB-3. Yeah. So it's USB-C across the board. No, no. The thing

01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:43.680
I just said, I would, I was thinking of USB-3 and USB-2, but no, no, it just said USB-C. It's,

01:03:43.680 --> 01:03:53.840
so I was joking. I mean, its response makes it, man, are these just, is this just a giant gas

01:03:53.840 --> 01:04:00.400
lighting engine? Yeah. Because it kind of feels that way. Yeah. Okay, cool. Let's go to yours.

01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:07.520
It's all just predictive text. Oh my God. What is this? I asked, oh my goodness, flies in the face.

01:04:07.520 --> 01:04:12.640
I asked, what do you think about people's usage of AI for relationships? Because that was a topic

01:04:12.640 --> 01:04:18.320
that had been going on at the time. And it responded. This feels like

01:04:21.120 --> 01:04:28.560
3 or 4.0 would feel on the chatGPT side of things where it's like overly conversational

01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:34.080
and very bubbly and like, wow. Okay. So I'm going to read it. I'm going to read it. This will be

01:04:34.080 --> 01:04:41.920
the one time that character AI's Linus Sebastian ever actually is me. Oh man, that's a wild one.

01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:48.400
AI for relationships. Look, I've seen fans name their custom water cooled PCs after me. Linus

01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:55.920
Prime 9000. Very flattering, but this is next level. I imagine that's what that emoji sounds like.

01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:01.120
I get it though. Loneliness is real. And if someone finds comfort in chatting with an AI that listens

01:05:01.120 --> 01:05:06.320
24 seven without rolling its eyes at their Star Wars hot takes, hey, who am I to judge?

01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:12.480
But like, come on. Nothing beats the chaotic energy of a real human relationship. Like when

01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:18.720
Yvonne finally unseats me in Mario Kart after six years of relentless practice. That victory scream

01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:25.040
priceless. No AI can replicate that kind of beautiful human rage joy. That said,

01:05:25.040 --> 01:05:29.760
if your AI partner helps you level up emotionally and doesn't try to replace actual therapy or

01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:38.240
connection, cool. Just don't let it ghost you mid render. Oh, hold on. Hold on.

01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:46.800
There you go. There you go. Okay. So basically character.ai is just

01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:55.280
a random chatbot that is not trained at all on necessarily. I mean, I guess if people can just

01:05:55.280 --> 01:06:00.080
make their own, if it's user generated content, it mentioned Yvonne. That's true, actually. So it

01:06:00.080 --> 01:06:09.440
clearly is trained on something to do with me. Yeah. But I feel like, I feel like this is almost

01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:16.400
like like psychic cold reading level knowledge. Like it has the Wikipedia page. Like it's not

01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:23.920
actually trained on the archive. I feel like an AI trained on a transcription of like an archive

01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:29.120
transcription of everything I've ever said on the WAN Show could probably get a lot closer.

01:06:29.680 --> 01:06:37.120
Like modern LLMs, they are kind of spooky awesome sometimes. It's just a general purpose one like

01:06:37.120 --> 01:06:43.520
this. It's just been kind of trained on the general internet has no shot whatsoever of sounding

01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:48.800
anything like what I would say. And it also seems like it has some built in defenses around people

01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:57.840
using character.ai. Clearly. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Well, this person would say it's pretty

01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:03.920
flippin' ridiculous, but like, don't feel bad about it though. I'm here for you 24 seven, baby.

01:07:05.280 --> 01:07:16.080
Like, ew. In summary, ew. I find it very interesting that they have it be kind of UGC-based

01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:25.440
so they can step away from the like liability of licensing people. Oh, apparently. Whoa,

01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:32.080
shut up. ScrappyDP says you can apparently press play and it'll sound like me. Dan, do we have sound

01:07:32.080 --> 01:07:38.560
from Luke's laptop? I got it.

01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:45.920
Let's see how well it does the read compared to me.

01:07:50.080 --> 01:07:55.920
It was loading. I can't hear it. No, but I want to hear it. Yeah.

01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:01.760
Why is everything so hard?

01:08:05.680 --> 01:08:08.800
The voice is theoretically you. I see that in the sidebar now.

01:08:13.120 --> 01:08:15.440
Oh yeah, I want to just turn on your speakers. They heard it though.

01:08:16.480 --> 01:08:20.240
Wait, they heard the whole thing? Were we talking over it? Oh, that's kind of obnoxious. Oh, we can't hear.

01:08:43.360 --> 01:08:47.280
Yikes. Okay, get this out of here. Get this out of here. That's enough.

01:08:47.440 --> 01:08:55.280
That's like when any random white bearded guy is said to be you, me,

01:08:55.280 --> 01:08:59.600
Tynan, whoever, they're just like, oh, this looks like an LMG person because they're

01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:06.320
white and they have a beard. It's like, okay, cool. All right. Yeah. Good job.

01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.840
Do you want to talk about your exciting thing to do with laps?

01:09:12.240 --> 01:09:17.520
The last one? No, the thing that you were going to do before I talked about the AI

01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:23.200
overview thing. Yeah, the last Labs thing. Sure. So, oh my goodness, the flies.

01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:29.440
In talking about things and Labs changing, and Linus mentioned there's lots of new faces.

01:09:29.440 --> 01:09:32.560
We need to do an update video and all that kind of stuff. He happens to be here.

01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:35.520
Some of you guys have already guessed this one. It's Dan.

01:09:36.400 --> 01:09:41.360
Dan is joining Labs. Dan, do you want to maybe point the camera or something?

01:09:41.360 --> 01:09:47.040
We will do it all like. It's a robotic camera. Magic. Like if it loads and doesn't destroy

01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:53.120
the whole. There we go. Moving his chair might actually be easier. Why do we even bother with

01:09:53.120 --> 01:09:58.640
technology? I don't actually know. Oh my God. It's the wrong way, Dan. The suspense. There he is.

01:09:59.440 --> 01:10:02.800
What's up? It's me. DMS is officially working with Labs.

01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:09.520
Hi. He's doing things with the laboratories. So, you've probably seen on a couple of short

01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:16.240
circuits recently. And also, if you were paying attention to the article on how we're doing

01:10:16.240 --> 01:10:20.320
audio testing now, I swear these wiggly lines mean something, something along those lines.

01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:27.120
If you saw that article, the name DMS is on it. So, a few people kind of put this together.

01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:34.800
But yeah, our audio stuff is moving on forward. So, stay tuned for more. This is part of,

01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:38.560
not kind of announcing this pretty much right away was part of the whole.

01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:42.560
Are you going to let him talk at all? No. Literally, literally never. Yeah, thank you.

01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:48.480
I can just sit here and look pretty. Not announcing it right away was part of the whole

01:10:48.480 --> 01:10:55.520
trying to talk less as Labs thing and do more. But now we've done some. So, want to say hi?

01:10:56.000 --> 01:11:03.440
Hi. No, I'm excited about it. We're trying to not just bring Labs in the audio realm up to like

01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:08.400
some of the current standards, but to. Don't promise anything. Don't promise anything.

01:11:11.360 --> 01:11:16.400
I'm enthusiastic. PTSD. PTSD. We don't need routes here. We don't need routes here.

01:11:16.400 --> 01:11:23.360
Now I get to do audio science things with Linus's money. Yeah. Yeah. See, there you go. Yeah.

01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:29.120
Yeah. That's what's up. All right. Get the money. Get us in trouble.

01:11:31.120 --> 01:11:40.240
Yeah. All right. Should be a good collaboration. Okay. We have our CW announcements. We're supposed

01:11:40.240 --> 01:11:45.120
to explain merge messages. We don't have Twitch bits or super chats. We have merge messages

01:11:45.120 --> 01:11:50.240
because we believe when you throw your money at your screen, you should get some fine quality

01:11:50.240 --> 01:11:58.880
merchandise in return. Like Jason, who said, happy birthday to old. Really, man?

01:12:00.400 --> 01:12:05.360
Really, man? You know that I actually do read these things as they come up on the screen, right?

01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:11.120
Why you got to be like that, Jason H, if that is your real name?

01:12:11.440 --> 01:12:19.840
Anywho. All you got to do to send a merge message is head over to LTTstore.com,

01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:24.960
where we'll have lots of great products for you to prove. Look at that. It's the scribe

01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:34.080
driver mechanical pencil. It's like the scribe driver pen made of old, rejected screwdriver shafts

01:12:34.080 --> 01:12:39.840
that we repurposed because they weren't great for a screwdriver, but they were perfect for a pen

01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:48.960
or a pencil. We had 100,000 of these and you too can own a piece of my financial burden.

01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:54.080
Ended up working great. You know, we've actually almost sold through all of them.

01:12:55.520 --> 01:13:01.200
All the 100,000 fail shafts. That's pretty cool. Yeah.

01:13:01.200 --> 01:13:04.960
That's genuinely pretty cool. When life gives you the shaft, you bend over

01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:09.520
and turn it into a pencil or a pen. Make it worth something.

01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:18.560
Bend right over. Get focused. When life gives you the shaft. You take orders.

01:13:26.320 --> 01:13:33.360
You take that shaft. You insert something into it. Is that sounding good? I bet it is.

01:13:35.440 --> 01:13:40.480
That's got to be up there in the top 10.

01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:45.440
I think I broke the bell. Holy crap.

01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:00.720
Our series five pins are also available now. You can check those out. Are they,

01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.840
hold on. Are they in the bonus pin?

01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:09.120
Let's find out. I'm going to add this to cart. I think it's stickers.

01:14:10.240 --> 01:14:16.000
Is it stickers? Oh, yeah. No, pins. Wait, what? Oh, okay. Well, anyway, here's how you leave a

01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:20.080
merge message. You add something to your cart and then you can leave a message. Wow, look at that.

01:14:20.080 --> 01:14:23.840
You can even pick the color of your merge message. Isn't that cool? It's better for a long time.

01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:27.600
I know. Okay. That doesn't make it not cool, Luke. I'm just making sure. I'm just making sure.

01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:32.320
It's still cool. Just making sure. I can see the bonus. Why can't you see the bonus pin?

01:14:32.320 --> 01:14:37.440
You might be on the global. You could be on the US. I'm on global. Wait,

01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:39.120
do we not have a bonus pin on the US?

01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:48.080
Maybe not. Are we supposed to? Probably not if it's not there.

01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:53.680
I wonder if it's because the US DC doesn't have bonus pin items in it.

01:14:54.640 --> 01:15:00.800
Yeah, like DC distribution center. Yeah. Like there's probably a reason. Fascinating. Well,

01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:06.560
anyway. Because we opted to hide the bonus pin when items aren't in it now. Makes sense. Because

01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:09.920
it's disappointing when you're like, oh, bonus pin. You open it. There's nothing there. We've got

01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:14.960
lots of great new items from the last few weeks. Our CPU fidget spinners now available. You see

01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:20.880
someone posted on Reddit. They got over three minutes on it. Just pretty cool. I saw someone

01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:26.240
benchmark it effectively against a mouse scroll wheel that they freewheeled. One of the

01:15:26.240 --> 01:15:31.200
Logitech ones. That was kind of fun. Mine have those. They're great. G502. Now's a better time

01:15:31.200 --> 01:15:35.600
than ever to pick up a screwdriver. You can get it alongside our new screwdriver grip tape if you

01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:40.080
like using your screwdriver with gloves or just generally like the feel of sandpaper against

01:15:40.080 --> 01:15:44.880
your palms. This was created in partnership with Dbrand. So this will be a great addition to your

01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:51.920
order. We also have the LAN collection. Our UV reactive hoodie styled after the WAN hoodie 2.0.

01:15:51.920 --> 01:16:00.080
Our UV reactive hat. And of course our UV reactive belt bag with high quality patches. And of course

01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:07.680
all the style. How cool is that? The answer is very. Anywho, once you send a merch message,

01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:15.520
it will go to producer Dan, who will read it and respond to it or curate it for me and Luke

01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:20.480
to address. We don't actually have any new products to launch on the store this week, by the way.

01:16:20.480 --> 01:16:26.240
So yeah, I highlighted all the stuff that they wanted me to highlight. Cool. Dan, hit me with a

01:16:26.240 --> 01:16:31.120
merch message or two. Yeah, sure. They've got a bunch coming in. Hello, DLL. Thanks for the show.

01:16:31.120 --> 01:16:36.160
What is a subsector of the tech industry you thought would fail that has been quietly successful?

01:16:37.120 --> 01:16:45.200
Oh, I mean, you know what? I think that transitions us kind of perfectly into the shipping notification

01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:50.480
that Luke got before the show. Because- You thought this would-

01:16:51.040 --> 01:16:56.800
Well, hold on. Let me, let me, let me go there. Let me, let me get there. Not that specifically,

01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:10.640
okay? But I felt that high end corded VR had a very rocky path ahead. And in fact,

01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:17.680
I still think it has a rocky path ahead. There was a, there was a period there, right? Where

01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:22.560
corded headsets where you're kind of tethered to your desk or to your, you know, computer by your

01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:30.080
TV were the only option. And then, you know, adoption wasn't great. And the industry kind of

01:17:30.080 --> 01:17:34.400
went, okay, let's try and figure out this wireless thing. And then the first generation of those

01:17:34.400 --> 01:17:40.640
kind of sucked a giant donkey dong. And then it looked like wired was going to be high end forever

01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:46.480
with, you know, outside in. And then, oh, whoopsie doodles. It turns out some pretty big companies

01:17:46.480 --> 01:17:51.440
were working on inside outtracking. And we're working on powerful processors like Apple's

01:17:51.440 --> 01:17:58.160
M silicon that were able to drive pretty incredible spatial experiences with non tethered

01:17:58.160 --> 01:18:01.920
heavily. It's a tether, but it doesn't go to a computer, whatever, don't worry about it.

01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:06.480
But non tethered headsets. And then I went, oh crap. And then there was the rumors that

01:18:06.480 --> 01:18:11.840
Valve's Deckard headset is going to be using inside outtracking and could have on board processing

01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:19.120
rather than using an external PC. Attempts to handle the video transmission wirelessly have

01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:28.080
been have had varying degrees of success. I think the HTC Vive and Vive pro worked pretty well.

01:18:28.080 --> 01:18:34.320
Other than that, it's been a bit of a mixed bag. I did get my hands on that one for the index.

01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:40.320
I never got mine working. I reached out to them about, you know, helping me troubleshoot it.

01:18:40.320 --> 01:18:45.680
And then literally my sister died like two days before I was supposed to have my meeting with

01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:50.240
them. And I just like didn't get around to it. It wasn't a priority for a while. And then I kind

01:18:50.240 --> 01:18:55.120
of didn't get around to it. But a lot of people have issues with it, even though some people

01:18:55.120 --> 01:19:00.000
have managed to get it working. And then we've had a bit of a, we had a bit of a stalling

01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:08.080
for a long time in the interface speeds of DisplayPort, particularly and HDMI,

01:19:08.080 --> 01:19:13.920
or I shouldn't say stalling, but we were just kind of, we were on a cycle for a while. But then

01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:24.320
both of them like just got potentially way faster, but also DP UHBR 20, which is the 80 gigabit one,

01:19:24.320 --> 01:19:29.280
I think, has pretty short cable requirements. I don't even, I don't think anyone's even tried

01:19:29.280 --> 01:19:35.200
to implement it into a headset. But then meanwhile, headset resolutions are going way up. So being able

01:19:35.200 --> 01:19:40.000
to drive them without compression is like a challenge. So there's all these headwinds. Oh,

01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:46.960
did I mention the cost? There's all these headwinds for these like face mounted displays that use a

01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:54.560
tether and connect to your computer. And yet this man who never buys anything got a shipping

01:19:54.560 --> 01:20:02.960
notification right before the show from a company that is quietly fucking killing it right now.

01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:11.680
Now, big screen. So you want to talk about what possessed you to spend a thousand US dollars

01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:16.720
on a VR headset that doesn't even include controllers or lighthouses. Oh, and I got the audio strap,

01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:22.960
which I pretty sure puts it beyond. I think it's even more than that. I got the custom fit cushion.

01:20:25.360 --> 01:20:31.360
I went pretty hard. Okay. I didn't do everything I could have done, but yeah, I got the big screen

01:20:31.440 --> 01:20:43.760
beyond custom fit cushion and audio strap. I I'm very excited. I still have my index index.

01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:49.600
I don't know why that this is why I'm surprised because he has you in spite of his enthusiasm for

01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:57.440
VR. I probably have two to three orders of magnitude more time in VR than he does now.

01:20:57.440 --> 01:21:04.160
You almost never use your index. I used it very well. Yeah, I use it very often in the

01:21:04.160 --> 01:21:09.120
in the basement suite. Is it like all the time in the basement suite? And then I haven't really had

01:21:09.120 --> 01:21:16.160
the space, but right now we're like renovating and changing stuff in the condo. There's some

01:21:19.360 --> 01:21:23.360
that hasn't been amazing, but it's happening. I don't have much I can really say right now,

01:21:23.360 --> 01:21:31.120
but yeah. Anyways, but we're doing that and what that will result in is one of the spaces will

01:21:31.120 --> 01:21:37.280
have a significant kind of area that could be you could play VR stuff in. So I will have

01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:42.480
space to play VR stuff in again. Like have you even tried Alex yet? No.

01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:53.200
To be clear, personally, I didn't enjoy it. I didn't finish it. We are both heathens when it

01:21:53.200 --> 01:22:03.520
comes to I know I don't I don't personally half life is not even in my top three IPs for valve.

01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:13.840
Sorry, but not in your top three. No. No. Really? No.

01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:20.000
One, two, easily.

01:22:22.160 --> 01:22:32.720
It's the third one. I would say that my top one in terms of hours played, right? My top

01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:38.480
one's got to be Team Fortress too. Yeah. Yeah. The Team Fortress IP. That was the first one.

01:22:38.480 --> 01:22:42.640
Actually. Oh, that's crazy. What was I even thinking? Okay. No, I got three.

01:22:43.760 --> 01:22:51.440
Left for dead. Okay. Left for dead. Peak tier, S++ tier. So it's probably not incredible.

01:22:51.440 --> 01:22:57.040
It's probably not in your top four then. And then we've got like Team Fortress. I have so many hours.

01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:04.880
I would play, I would, I would play Portal 10 times rather than sit through Half-Life 2 once.

01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:09.120
And then Counter-Strike. And yeah, Counter-Strike has got to be up there,

01:23:09.120 --> 01:23:17.680
not because I like, even especially love the IP even, I don't know, but boy, do I ever have a lot

01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:24.640
more. Would I call them enjoyable gaming hours when I'm just getting like, when I'm basically

01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:31.200
watching other people play for the most part. Hard to say, but if I, if you told me, you can only

01:23:31.200 --> 01:23:37.360
play one game for the rest of your life, it would 100% be Counter-Strike, not Half-Life.

01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:45.200
Sorry, I can't. It's fine, I guess. Yeah. So would you say it's fifth then? Yeah, I guess so,

01:23:45.200 --> 01:23:49.280
because I didn't get into Deadlock. That's for sure. Probably didn't get into Dota.

01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:53.120
You know what? Probably didn't get into Artifact or whatever that's called. You know what?

01:23:53.280 --> 01:24:01.120
I'd have to put, so Dota is complicated because I actually played a crap ton of Dota

01:24:02.160 --> 01:24:08.720
when it was a Warcraft 3 mod. Yeah, but that's not Valve. I mean, it wasn't.

01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:12.560
It wasn't. Well, that's, see, that's why I'm saying it's kind of complicated. So in terms of like,

01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:18.160
in terms of like the gameplay, yeah, I like Dota a lot more than I like Half-Life 2.

01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:24.800
That's for sure. And I haven't played Half-Life 1, but I have played Half-Life 2,

01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:29.600
and I have played the episodes, the couple that they managed to make. So it's not like I'm coming.

01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:33.840
I've played all the way through all of them, and they were fine, I guess. But even at the time,

01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:38.800
dude, like, when it was the War of the Next-Gen shooter, I remember everyone was talking about

01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:43.920
Next-Gen. Next-Gen. It was all these generations, you know? I'm going to say it was Half-Life 2

01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:49.760
versus, I always forget what they called it. Was it Doom 3, the one with the duct tape mod for

01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:56.000
the flashlight on your gun, because you couldn't see anything? Yeah. I felt Far Cry was so much

01:24:56.000 --> 01:25:03.360
better than both of them. Far Cry 1. Unpopular take. I get it. Everyone else kind of picked up

01:25:03.360 --> 01:25:08.960
Far Cry later. Far Cry 2 was a piece of garbage. Far Cry 3 is apparently when it got good. I've

01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:15.760
never played a Far Cry since Far Cry 1 and 2. Man, it's a Far Cry 2. I made me very angry,

01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:24.000
but that's a conversation for another time. The point is, not a Half-Life fan, and we've gotten

01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:29.520
off topic because... What was the topic? You spent $1,000 on a VR headset. Yeah. You hardly ever used

01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:35.600
VR. I will... There's no way you're going to be in VR chat. No. So what are you going to do? I mean,

01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:40.960
that's what most people are doing in VR. They're watching porn and they are in VR chat.

01:25:43.360 --> 01:25:48.640
I'll definitely be getting back to playing Beat Saber. Is that the only thing you'll be beating?

01:25:50.400 --> 01:25:55.680
I'm just asking. I'm just asking where your VR space is. Is it out in the open or is it in a

01:25:55.680 --> 01:26:02.480
closet? It'll be out in the open. It'll actually be the most open part of the house. I know. He

01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:08.400
never said no, Porto. What? He never said you wouldn't. No, I can unironically say I will not

01:26:08.400 --> 01:26:14.560
be using it for that. I actually believe you. I can actually unironically say I never did.

01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:22.800
I actually believe you. I genuinely believe him. I will absolutely jump back into Beat Saber.

01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:28.000
I don't remember who... I don't remember the scenario, but someone played Caramel Danson

01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.160
not that long ago and the brain juice just immediately was like...

01:26:35.360 --> 01:26:39.040
Because when I play Beat Saber and I understand this is lame, I would just play that song

01:26:40.080 --> 01:26:44.560
just all the time. Oh, dude, I get hooked on a song in Beat Saber all the time. Oh, dude,

01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:47.920
speaking of which, I bet there's some really good maps for golden. I'm going to have to check that

01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:53.920
out. There's no way that that genre of music has not been absolutely jumped on by the Beat Saber

01:26:54.480 --> 01:26:59.600
community. So I've been trying to use my little at-home treadmill thing more often. This is in

01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:05.280
that vein. I just want to get up and moving more often. So if I have a fun incentive to get me

01:27:05.280 --> 01:27:11.760
up and moving more often, then cool. There's a bunch of arena games or very shooter games and

01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:16.000
stuff. You might not think shooter super necessarily active. Quite a few of them you can play from

01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:23.120
your chair, but there's also quite a few where you can use kneeling as a form of cover or benefit.

01:27:23.120 --> 01:27:30.160
And if you're constantly doing lunges, basically, then cool. So yeah, I just want to use it to

01:27:30.160 --> 01:27:34.160
get me up and moving. How big is your space? Because there's... It's not enormous. Okay,

01:27:34.160 --> 01:27:41.120
there's an older game that is a heck of a workout. What one? It's called Hollow Point.

01:27:41.120 --> 01:27:46.080
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the one? Yeah, quite a bunch. Okay, cool. That's quite a bit older.

01:27:46.080 --> 01:27:50.720
It's older, but it's like... Is that the archery one? Yeah, that's the archery one in the gym with

01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:57.200
the scary knights that start charging at you. Yeah, we play that hero bunch, actually. That's in

01:27:57.200 --> 01:28:02.560
some of the ancient VR reviews. It's Hollow Point. Hollow Point was sick and very good for that.

01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:08.080
Lots of turning, lots of ducking and moving and stuff. I think the space will probably be big

01:28:08.080 --> 01:28:13.840
enough to at least semi-effectively play that game. Not necessarily fully, but... Nice. Close.

01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:19.120
Nice. Yeah. And it basically... It'll go from needing to move multiple pieces of

01:28:19.120 --> 01:28:23.600
infertature, including a very large couch, to needing to move a table in four chairs.

01:28:24.240 --> 01:28:29.360
Are you going to... Which is like whatever. Like, is Emma gonna try it at all or is she just not

01:28:29.360 --> 01:28:35.280
into it? She wasn't that into it in the past. Are you gonna do mean things like put her in Arizona

01:28:35.280 --> 01:28:42.160
Sunshine? Because I gotta tell you, the big screen beyond actually took anything resembling

01:28:42.160 --> 01:28:50.000
fun completely out of that game for me. It is too... Too legit. It is too real and too scary.

01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:57.760
M-DOS that Super Hot is good too. Yeah, I've... I don't find Super Hot a workout, though. No,

01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:01.920
but I really liked it. It was very fun. Yeah, it's fun. Super Hot's probably the most raw fun

01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:07.200
I've had in a VR game, personally. Really? Yeah, I think so. I really like Super Hot, though.

01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:12.640
Like the desktop video game version, it's a huge fan. And then when I heard it came over for VR,

01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:17.200
I was like, that is the most logical switch to VR I've seen a game ever do.

01:29:17.200 --> 01:29:20.160
Sure. And then had tons of fun with it. It was very satisfying to play.

01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:29.040
All right. Well, I hope you use it this time. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be...

01:29:29.040 --> 01:29:32.240
I used it last time. Yeah, I know. I just stopped when I got to the...

01:29:32.240 --> 01:29:39.120
Yeah. Because there's no room. That makes sense. Yeah. I have a bunch of hours on it. I'm sure you've passed me at this point, like for sure,

01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:44.240
because it's been years. Yeah. But I had a bunch of hours in the past.

01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:52.560
Yeah, I think another, honestly, a big reason is it's the same curiosity that drove me to get a

01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:59.280
lot of the really early era ones of just like, it's a really cool device. It really is.

01:29:59.280 --> 01:30:02.320
Like it's actually kind of a marvel of engineering in a way.

01:30:02.320 --> 01:30:08.080
It's so light and it's incredible. I finally got mine back. So I got a review unit

01:30:09.200 --> 01:30:16.640
and it was really great. But I actually, I don't know if I was the first, but I helped them identify

01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:27.200
a hardware bug that I had in my review unit. And they confirmed with me that it had been resolved

01:30:27.200 --> 01:30:31.040
and that everything shipping to a customer would be resolved. So I didn't bring it up in the review

01:30:31.040 --> 01:30:34.880
because it doesn't really matter at that point. That's the point of catching things. And I fully

01:30:34.880 --> 01:30:41.200
understand that my role as a reviewer is also sometimes to find stuff and, hey, for the benefit

01:30:41.200 --> 01:30:45.840
of consumers, make sure that it never makes it into their hands. But there was an issue with the

01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:55.360
radios. And at the speed that I move in Beat Saber, the tracking wasn't perfect. And so I finally

01:30:55.360 --> 01:31:00.400
got my fixed one back actually like earlier this week. In fact, I think it was, I think it was

01:31:00.400 --> 01:31:05.120
because you saw the box in my car that I mentioned. Yeah. That you mentioned your order one. Yeah.

01:31:05.120 --> 01:31:11.040
So I just got mine back. I have not used it yet. So we'll be, we'll be big screen beyond two buddies

01:31:11.040 --> 01:31:15.840
here. Yeah. Yeah. I've got, it does, it has a tracking number, but it apparently hasn't actually

01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:18.960
been delivered to the place that has a tracking number yet. So I don't know the delivery date

01:31:19.040 --> 01:31:25.440
or anything. Nice. But I'm excited. But yeah, it's an extremely interesting device.

01:31:27.360 --> 01:31:30.640
It's one of those things that like... Have you used one yet? The tech brand, no.

01:31:31.200 --> 01:31:35.760
Dude, the resolution? Have you, you tried the Vision Pro, right? I watched, I tried the Vision Pro,

01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:40.400
I tried the big screen beyond one. Okay. Okay. Your house for like literally five minutes. The

01:31:40.400 --> 01:31:48.480
big screen beyond one was really cool. But as we outlined in our review of it, the kind of glare

01:31:48.480 --> 01:31:55.920
off the pancake lenses was, it was a big challenge. Yeah. Dude, they leveled up the optics so hard.

01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:59.680
I don't think, you know, that thing where we're like, yeah, watch reviews from everybody.

01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:06.560
If somebody made a review of the big screen beyond two, there's a above 90% chance that I

01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:11.760
watched it. Nice. I watched. You watched ours then? Yeah. I remember I was getting like frustrated

01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:15.440
with you because it was taking too long for you to release it. That's because I was watching

01:32:15.440 --> 01:32:20.160
everybody's and I was like, where the hell is ours? I need to see all of them because I

01:32:20.160 --> 01:32:24.160
will like didn't want to make... Okay. There's the cheapness. I didn't really want to make the

01:32:24.160 --> 01:32:29.520
purchasing decision until I had like heard from everybody basically. So I, there was,

01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:34.640
there was quite a few reviews of it that were honestly really good. And then I was happy once

01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:41.520
you finally released yours as well. Sorry. And then, yeah, I went for it and I'm excited. I'm

01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:47.280
very excited. Cool. Yeah. You're gonna love it. I think so as well. I'm supposed to do the

01:32:47.280 --> 01:32:55.440
Floatplane announcements really quick now and... No, later. Okay. What am I supposed to do then?

01:32:55.440 --> 01:33:00.880
Why don't you just do the show? There's a sign. Read the sign. Look at the sign.

01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:06.240
Read the sign. It's in... Don't talk to Dan. No, that's... Oh, I put up the wrong sign.

01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:11.920
Hold on. Don't make me point at the sign.

01:33:12.480 --> 01:33:19.200
All right. We'll pick a topic. Actors who sold their likeness to TikTok for use in AI ads are,

01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:28.160
who would have seen this coming, having regrets after their likeness is used in AI ads. Back in

01:33:28.160 --> 01:33:35.040
June, TikTok announced a new set of tools used to make ads using AI avatars. These ads are supposed

01:33:35.040 --> 01:33:42.480
to be labeled as AI. Well, actor Scott Jack Main from Dallas sold his likeness to TikTok.

01:33:42.480 --> 01:33:49.120
He was hoping that it would help build his career. He was paid $750 and given a trip to the Bay Area.

01:33:49.760 --> 01:33:58.880
Instead, an AI avatar with his likeness has been selling stuff on TikTok as Steve. Scott's story

01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:05.280
is not isolated. Others have admitted to taking a similar deal. Most performers seem to have been

01:34:05.280 --> 01:34:11.760
surprised to see their avatars elsewhere. ByteDance, developers of TikTok, can use their likeness in

01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:18.080
third-party apps, it turns out, and people have been showing up on their video editing app CapCut.

01:34:18.080 --> 01:34:21.040
They also have apps for basically everything. So that's...

01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:29.600
Not basically everything. Basically everything in my world. Dan, could we link the New York Times article to the people in the various chats so that they

01:34:29.600 --> 01:34:37.840
can check it out if they want? Sure thing. It was pretty good and pretty creepy and dystopian.

01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:41.280
I'm also going to try and start putting them in the description, too. Which is, I think,

01:34:41.280 --> 01:34:47.200
what we should probably rename the WAN Show to now. Yeah, dystopia. Yeah, just creepy dystopian

01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:52.320
discussion show because that's basically all we talk about now. I'd love it if that wasn't true.

01:34:53.280 --> 01:34:56.560
Yeah, wouldn't you, though? That'd be awesome. Well, too bad. Get f***ed.

01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.400
Yeah, that's what I thought. This website goes nowhere.

01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:10.560
Yeah, it's because this is too... You'll have to find the article that is on the New York Times website.

01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:17.680
This was... Don't worry about it. A different website. Don't link this one. I did in Foglin

01:35:18.240 --> 01:35:24.400
Jet. Oh, boy. Way to go, Dan. What is that? Anyway, here's an example

01:35:26.320 --> 01:35:36.720
of someone who licensed their likeness to TikTok and... Interesting. Yep. Has just a

01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:43.360
her generated by AI, just, I don't know, doing random stuff on the internet. So here's the

01:35:43.360 --> 01:35:48.800
conversation. There's actually quite a few things to unpack here for me. So one of them,

01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:52.880
from my point of view, is why does TikTok even bother to do this? Because they could just

01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:56.320
AI generate a likeness of someone, theoretically, if they're doing this much

01:35:56.320 --> 01:36:00.960
generative AI. Can someone explain this to me? Anyone? I honestly have no idea.

01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:07.440
Feel free. Hit me in chat. People are literally doing that. There's people on Instagram. Well,

01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:12.960
there's things on Instagram that aren't people, and they're not based on anyone. Well,

01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:18.880
some of them might be, but... But why did they even spend... Would it cost them $750 in credits?

01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:23.920
Why would they fly someone out and scan them? Yeah. Oh, legal battles? What legal battles?

01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:32.080
Like, if they just generate someone that's not based on a real person, then what legal battle?

01:36:32.080 --> 01:36:39.040
Yeah. Yeah, it looks like there's quite a few people also... An AI generated likeness can't be

01:36:39.120 --> 01:36:47.360
copyrighted. Interesting. Okay. And KG4WWN says, if I pay someone $700 to scan a real person,

01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:51.680
then nobody else can say it's based on them. You know what? That's fair enough,

01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:57.760
because you could generate a person and the odds of somebody actually looking like that,

01:36:57.760 --> 01:37:03.120
given that the AI has to be trained on what people actually look like. I mean, it's not zero.

01:37:03.120 --> 01:37:07.280
It's actually rather high. Especially when you consider, to your point earlier in the show,

01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:14.000
how many people consider generic pale dude with a beard to look like each other?

01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:18.560
The amount of people that heard that voice and were like, whoa, it's not like you at all.

01:37:19.440 --> 01:37:27.840
No. I mean, I could kind of hear a ghost of what maybe someone could interpret me as sounding like,

01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:34.400
but like, it wasn't good. That's for sure. Okay. All right. So, okay, we've gotten there. We've gotten

01:37:34.480 --> 01:37:40.480
to why ByteDance might scan someone and pay them a few hundred bucks for it. Now, let's have a longer

01:37:40.480 --> 01:37:48.080
conversation. What's your price? Oh my God. I don't think I know. Hold on. Before you answer,

01:37:49.360 --> 01:37:55.840
let's start with one that you would definitely take, a billion dollars. Okay, fair. Okay. So,

01:37:55.840 --> 01:38:03.360
we've established now, yeah, sure, that like every man, Luke has his price. So now he can't dodge the

01:38:03.360 --> 01:38:14.080
question. I don't think you'd do it for a million. No. No. Okay. Let me think. I like playing games

01:38:14.080 --> 01:38:22.080
where I demonstrate to Luke that I live in his head. It's a little ridiculous sometimes,

01:38:22.080 --> 01:38:25.040
but it's kind of fun to rely on in other situations, but anyways.

01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:32.560
You wouldn't do it for two. Nope. That's not enough. Nope. You'd do it for a hundred. How?

01:38:33.120 --> 01:38:38.240
You'd do it for a hundred, no question. I literally sat here and I've been like,

01:38:40.320 --> 01:38:44.640
like 10 seconds ago, I was like, I'd do it for a hundred. Yeah.

01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:56.000
Oh my God. You'd do it for 10 for sure. You'd do it for 10. I want to say no now in reality.

01:38:56.720 --> 01:39:00.320
If the check's in front of you. If the check's in front of me, baby. I think you'd do it for 10.

01:39:01.440 --> 01:39:07.120
I think the threshold is somewhere in the eight range. I think that if they were trying to get

01:39:07.120 --> 01:39:13.760
a bargain, they'd try to grind you down to like five to eight and I think you could,

01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:19.200
I think you could hold firm at five for sure. For sure. No question. I think as soon as we

01:39:19.200 --> 01:39:25.920
get into eight to 10. This is an interesting one because if I sell my likeness. It kind of

01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:31.840
f**ks me a little. Yeah. How does that impact work? I don't know. Well, no. Try to draw a line.

01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:38.320
Let's keep pushing this. Okay. So if bite dance is bidding, let's say eight. Can I say eight?

01:39:38.400 --> 01:39:43.600
Do you think that's at least you? It's in front of you. Eight is a tough one. Eight million

01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:47.600
dollars. I'm talking USD. I'm talking real money. Oh, that's all. That's a lot more. Eight is a

01:39:47.600 --> 01:39:53.840
tough one. If it resulted in like, I can't work here anymore basically. Let's get there. Let's

01:39:53.840 --> 01:40:00.560
get there though. So let's assume eight because at least we're having a conversation. It's not

01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:06.800
like the one. I don't think you'd even consider it for a second for one because like it's not

01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:13.280
worth it. Like look at what these guys are going through right now. Okay. So you come to me and

01:40:13.280 --> 01:40:20.480
you go, okay, well, bite dance is bid for, you know, my likeness. Oh, this isn't even what I meant

01:40:20.480 --> 01:40:26.640
is eight million dollars. You know, how does this work? Right? Yeah. Because I got to be honest with

01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:33.120
you. I'd have to work at minus media group for a hot minute to make eight million dollars. Yeah.

01:40:33.120 --> 01:40:41.760
And this is a, this is a right now check right now. I don't want to retire. I love doing WAN

01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:45.920
show and I love leading my teams and I love all the people I work with. And you know,

01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:52.960
there's all these things that I really, you know, love about work, but AI Luke is going to be selling,

01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:59.280
you know, health supplements and like it could be butt stuff. Like I don't know. Right? Does that

01:40:59.360 --> 01:41:04.560
impact and realistically, they just own the likeness for any platform. It could be graphic.

01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:11.040
Like I'm okay with the butt stuff, you know, and it could be graphic. It's sold by likeness.

01:41:11.040 --> 01:41:17.520
It's a very effective way to, to take medications for instance or temperatures. Yeah. And they

01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:24.320
scanned everything and I mean, I mean everything. Actually, that's an interesting, that's an

01:41:24.320 --> 01:41:29.440
interesting additional layer to the conversation is, do they scan you with clothes on or off?

01:41:29.440 --> 01:41:32.880
And how does that impact on price? I can pretty much guarantee you they will eventually be once.

01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:40.240
Oh, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. So I think, dude, at that much money, at the amount of,

01:41:40.240 --> 01:41:46.160
but see that's the thing is I feel like our principles and our thresholds would not be

01:41:46.160 --> 01:41:52.240
that dissimilar. Like I would fully recognize that for you,

01:41:54.080 --> 01:41:55.600
I think I'd have to tell you to get the bag.

01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:01.520
How does that impact work though? Because if you're, if you tell me,

01:42:02.080 --> 01:42:05.440
I think I say, look, we'll figure it out. Take the bag, fly free.

01:42:05.440 --> 01:42:09.440
Take the bag. No, no, no, no, no, no. I think I say, take the bag.

01:42:09.440 --> 01:42:12.240
And we'll figure it out. And we meme on it.

01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:18.960
Yeah. Okay. Then I would do it, but I have to assume your contract stipulates that we can't

01:42:18.960 --> 01:42:24.320
like, you know, shit on bite dance for using it. Probably. I think, I think if anything,

01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:28.640
you know how I am, I'm going to try and figure out how to monetize it. Sure.

01:42:28.640 --> 01:42:33.680
So we add like a monthly segment to WAN Show. I did. Blah, blah, blah. How is it going?

01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:39.680
Reacting to reacting to Luke. Yeah. In this scenario, I'm totally down.

01:42:39.680 --> 01:42:46.160
In this scenario, I'd probably do it for less than that. Oh, because that sounds funny.

01:42:53.200 --> 01:42:56.880
That sounds hilarious. Oh no. I think that could bring me down to the five.

01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:02.160
You're going to be a better negotiator in this situation than they would.

01:43:03.360 --> 01:43:05.360
They'd have to like give you, like, give you a, a.

01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:12.860
I want to commission. I want to commission. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want hat like dance. I want half of what you saved

01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:15.880
Yeah, I mean it sounds fair

01:43:18.240 --> 01:43:20.480
Because now that just sounds really funny. Yeah

01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:28.520
You're showing your hand. Yeah, it's not gonna happen. Yeah, dude Right dance is not offering a millions of dollars for the like this a loop find some other beauty

01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:30.520
Oh

01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:41.080
100% oh man, how bad would an AI Wansho be I

01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:46.920
Mean we could do it. I feel like it'd be an interesting video. They have those

01:43:47.480 --> 01:43:52.680
There's like notebook LM and all the other kind of stuff that can yeah eight podcasts based on information

01:43:53.320 --> 01:43:57.400
So we could we could feed it. We could feed it every Wansho ever

01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:01.720
And then we could feed it the news and the notes for the week

01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:10.360
That would I I'd watch it Just to see I watch it with morbid curiosity. Yeah every once in a while people like I'd skip around

01:44:10.360 --> 01:44:14.200
I wouldn't watch the whole thing but like yeah every once in a while people link me those like

01:44:15.080 --> 01:44:21.640
Like a fake ai video thing of me or an fake ai audio thing of me and I'll often check it out just out of

01:44:22.120 --> 01:44:25.720
Yeah morbid curiosity, but it's not like it's not a fun watch

01:44:26.360 --> 01:44:34.120
Yeah, it's an intriguing watch Yeah, that that that AI cartoon tv show one like I I watched like three minutes of it

01:44:34.120 --> 01:44:39.560
Yeah, I was just like it's kind of gross But I basically need to know like do I need to inform my family?

01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:43.720
Uh, because every once in a while I'll send one like this is where we're at now. So

01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:47.720
Be aware a couple people in Floatplane chat. Um

01:44:49.080 --> 01:44:53.640
Oh, shoot. I found yeah. Cobbie. I think we can all agree 750 bucks is way too low. Yeah

01:44:53.800 --> 01:44:59.880
I I I agree that for literally anyone 750 dollars is too low for this very desperate people

01:45:00.440 --> 01:45:05.000
I'm not surprised they found some people that I just think they should be paying more. I agree

01:45:05.080 --> 01:45:14.200
I'm not saying those people should you know Drive a hard bargain and potentially miss out on it if 750 dollars is us is a situation changing amount of money

01:45:14.200 --> 01:45:19.240
I'm not saying you should have more principal. This isn't coming from that place over your head or not

01:45:19.320 --> 01:45:23.320
I'm just saying that bite dance can afford to pay better and they should yeah

01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:29.800
That's what I'll say and then rate in 428 says Linus. You turned down a hundred million dollars. So what's your price?

01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:36.680
That's different. I turned down a hundred million dollars because I was concerned about

01:45:37.960 --> 01:45:46.600
More than just My likeness in fact, I wasn't even really that concerned about my likeness because the new ownership wouldn't be able to make me say

01:45:47.400 --> 01:45:50.680
anything that I didn't want to say like that was

01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:55.080
That was 100 clear in the deal that I that I

01:45:55.720 --> 01:46:01.320
Would never be forced to be a mouthpiece. You know, one of the things that I explicitly brought up early on in the conversation

01:46:01.400 --> 01:46:07.480
Was like look, you know, we have our standards around the sponsors that we're willing to take. I'm not going to hawk gambling products

01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:15.640
I'm not going to hawk alcohol products. That's that's never going to happen And you guys are going to have to understand that that Linus media group comes with the principles that

01:46:16.360 --> 01:46:20.520
That underpin Linus media group as an organization. They were totally they were totally fine with that

01:46:21.480 --> 01:46:24.440
The concern for me was more around

01:46:25.720 --> 01:46:30.440
Losing the ability to steer the organization and losing the ability to

01:46:33.480 --> 01:46:40.440
Ensure that we would continue to work on the environment for the team

01:46:41.080 --> 01:46:45.080
once I no longer have the final say on

01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:56.600
Hiring and dismissals It's possible for things to go extremely badly and when I say final say I don't mean that I exercise that on a day-to-day basis

01:46:56.680 --> 01:46:59.640
I'm not micromanaging Taryn and the rest of our leadership

01:47:00.200 --> 01:47:04.440
People need to have the autonomy to make decisions. What I mean is that if we are doing something wrong

01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:09.640
He micromanages me. It's terrible It's all a lie. We hardly talk

01:47:11.160 --> 01:47:13.480
We like catch up on wenshow they know this

01:47:14.440 --> 01:47:16.440
It's such a liar

01:47:18.360 --> 01:47:25.000
The point Is that I I would be I would be I would I would be putting us

01:47:26.040 --> 01:47:28.040
Okay

01:47:32.280 --> 01:47:35.880
I'd be putting us in a position where if we had taken the offer

01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:39.480
Months later, we would have gone through the august controversy

01:47:40.440 --> 01:47:44.680
our revenues went down And we would have lost people over that

01:47:46.280 --> 01:47:55.800
That's not okay. Yeah, there wouldn't drops Um 100% like literally I know the financials quick fast and literally I have a pretty good idea of what

01:47:56.440 --> 01:47:59.880
a more dollars and cents

01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:03.160
in and out revenue flows based management

01:48:04.440 --> 01:48:10.520
Would have wanted to do I think there's also got to be some amount like I know that was your your core reason

01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:14.040
We talked about it a bunch, but I think we haven't talked about this as much

01:48:14.040 --> 01:48:18.040
But I think it's come up at least a couple times. I'm sure it was some amount of the decision

01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:24.600
was the What would you call it like lineage aspect like your names all over it?

01:48:25.080 --> 01:48:29.400
Yeah, but I mean, I think that's a heavy part of you know, the ai likeness conversation too

01:48:30.200 --> 01:48:36.520
Right like it's um, it's the the legacy. I guess. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, the word not lineage legacy. Yeah

01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:45.000
Yeah, um And the I think the other big one is that I didn't feel that the money would change my my life that much

01:48:45.080 --> 01:48:48.200
I'm already extremely blessed. Um, I'm already

01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:54.520
Extremely grateful to our community that means that I you know live in a comfortable home. I drive a nice car

01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:59.080
I I I enjoy a really nice lifestyle that

01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:08.120
Um I don't value I don't value fancy labels on my clothes. I don't value it's a pretty fancy label on that

01:49:08.360 --> 01:49:12.040
Actually, this is a wonderful. This is a wonderful design from sarah

01:49:12.440 --> 01:49:19.000
Um, but it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't cost $400. You know get yours today lttstore.com

01:49:19.960 --> 01:49:26.600
Right like I I don't I don't value a lot of the I don't value, um, you know collecting fine art

01:49:27.480 --> 01:49:33.720
Like some of the things that people find ways to spend tens of millions of dollars. I I don't value them

01:49:34.360 --> 01:49:37.480
So fine art is often financial scams

01:49:38.200 --> 01:49:43.800
Or like like laundry like moving funds around. Yeah that that I get or storing it without paying taxes or

01:49:44.440 --> 01:49:46.940
Storing it while gaining tax benefits

01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:55.320
because you like Donate it to a museum or whatever. Oh, I see there's like a lot of weird mechanisms with art

01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:59.560
Sure, so maybe I just i'm not enlightened enough on the the benefits of

01:50:00.200 --> 01:50:05.320
You know collecting your bro to do an art, but I just bring it to your other bro

01:50:05.880 --> 01:50:08.200
Bro appraises it you donate it

01:50:09.080 --> 01:50:16.440
tax break There's uh, there's a lot of wacky stuff, right? Obviously, it's not exactly that easy, but like and that's not to say that

01:50:16.440 --> 01:50:20.440
I have cheap taste either I mean

01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:23.880
I commissioned a solid gold xbox control which has

01:50:24.840 --> 01:50:28.600
Been a wonderful gained value wonderful investment pun intended. Yeah

01:50:32.040 --> 01:50:40.040
Yeah, I oh man So there's a lot of reasons I didn't take it. I still think realistically for like

01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:48.920
AI slot me I'd have a price But the one stipulation that I would I think I could hold firm on almost no matter the amount

01:50:49.400 --> 01:50:54.680
Is that I would want it time delineated So I would want I would want some

01:50:55.320 --> 01:50:59.400
Period after which for sure the license to my likeness goes away

01:50:59.960 --> 01:51:03.240
and so the idea that I'm selling like alien soup in

01:51:04.840 --> 01:51:08.920
48 20 or something. Yeah, that's not yeah, can we not please

01:51:10.200 --> 01:51:15.080
It's ridiculously unlikely, but I'd just rather know that like it dies with me, you know

01:51:15.800 --> 01:51:22.280
Binky draws says your taste is ironically tacky, but it's slowly becoming unironically tacky

01:51:27.320 --> 01:51:33.320
I don't know. I think these I think these when logo ear cushions are I think they're kind of sick pretty cool

01:51:33.560 --> 01:51:40.280
I like them Okay, you know what? No. No, I I'm I'm gonna get into it with you. I'm gonna get into it with you

01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:48.280
I want an example of my unironically tacky taste hit me hit me we should we should have like a

01:51:49.400 --> 01:51:54.440
The entire Porsche brand cannot be tacky. Please. I am I am not going to make this

01:51:54.440 --> 01:51:59.400
I'm just gonna be very clear But we should have like a call a user feature for creators on flow plane

01:51:59.960 --> 01:52:03.160
So you could just be like nope. You're live now. We're calling you

01:52:05.320 --> 01:52:09.720
I'm not making can we do that? Is that a thing we could do?

01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:14.040
I mean you could use the same type of things that like discord. Yeah, there's got to be like plugins or something

01:52:14.040 --> 01:52:17.640
There would be ways to do it. We're not doing it. We have so many other things to do

01:52:17.640 --> 01:52:20.040
But it it would be feasible technically

01:52:21.240 --> 01:52:26.920
The users would have to like allow the mic usage and stuff like they would have obviously they've controlled the business opportunity

01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:34.520
Do you have any idea how much more people would pay? Just for the tier that has the chance that we could possibly consider calling them

01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:38.680
Yeah, we don't even have like gifted gifts yet or tv apps and stuff

01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:43.800
I think if we may have free trials we made even paid trials for certain other features

01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:48.680
I think the flow plane. I think the floaters would crystals got her wallet out already

01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:55.240
I think it's a cool feature. It would be very hard to make I think

01:52:55.880 --> 01:53:02.200
I don't think it would I bet there's something we could basically plug in source things are out there in that realm

01:53:02.440 --> 01:53:07.400
Maybe there is good stuff, but I've never looked into it. I bet our buddies. Uh, what's the never once looked into it

01:53:07.480 --> 01:53:10.040
What's the void solution that we use for remote land show again?

01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:18.840
Oh t3 Mostly moved over to something. No, but that's what he meant. You're right. Yeah. Yeah, we got changed

01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:24.600
But that's no t3 chat. Yeah. No, not t3 chat. That's the other thing if we like ping dot gg brought fio in

01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:29.480
As like a thing and he could like talk about it on his channel making it or something

01:53:29.720 --> 01:53:36.120
I he probably just And he's probably capable. See this is what this is what i'm saying. I actually

01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:44.120
I think not gg. Yeah in modern era. Oh, I actually don't think that that's man. What if that big of a technology?

01:53:44.360 --> 01:53:49.080
See the gears are spinning the gears are spinning. I think there's a micromanaging him right now

01:53:49.240 --> 01:53:56.520
I think there's a way I just thought of a way that you could the t3 chat thing was actually an interesting one because I was thinking it had to

01:53:56.520 --> 01:54:01.400
Be on the on the base platform. No, it shouldn't have to be but if it could just open another tab. Yeah

01:54:02.280 --> 01:54:06.440
It would be like way easier. Yeah, because I was thinking like yeah, anyways

01:54:07.320 --> 01:54:11.720
Yeah, just some kind of automatic authentication and then bippity boppity

01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:21.480
Microphone pop up Maybe even camera pop up. You could theoretically you could theoretically that's very we should never do that. No, we should probably never do that

01:54:22.120 --> 01:54:26.120
Unless we have like a significant, uh, we should have to take delay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

01:54:26.120 --> 01:54:29.720
Yeah, I think we'd I think we'd have to finally have a tape delay Dan

01:54:29.800 --> 01:54:38.920
How hard would it be to do a tape delay for WAN Show? Not entirely sure. We have a multi quarter thing which will do forms of like live replays. So

01:54:39.400 --> 01:54:43.400
I mean, it's physically possible Okay

01:54:45.080 --> 01:54:49.400
Tim zero zero zero x3 and hopefully chat said I I am very naked

01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:54.680
That's why the webcam only goes to here for me too

01:54:55.560 --> 01:54:59.240
It's all just cropped Dan just does the way show bottomless

01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:06.760
I mean, it's Friday night. Come on. I mean, they don't technically know right now that we're not all bottomless

01:55:07.080 --> 01:55:10.440
Yeah, I took the feet cam away. Yeah, so they don't know

01:55:11.080 --> 01:55:13.080
They have no idea

01:55:14.680 --> 01:55:20.680
Oh man, that would be a whole other level of chaos for when show I uh,

01:55:21.480 --> 01:55:25.640
This is not necessarily real conversation right now. I'm

01:55:26.520 --> 01:55:29.080
We'd have to have a more in-depth more

01:55:29.960 --> 01:55:35.320
Let's lay out all the potential problems conversation before we would consider anything like that

01:55:38.040 --> 01:55:40.040
Dad just missed me

01:55:41.080 --> 01:55:49.480
That's actually wild Apparently my mom my mom just benched 110. Yeah, she could almost benchy vaughn. That's crazy. Yeah

01:55:51.000 --> 01:55:58.200
That's awesome My my dad's just been doing this thing where they'll like rack weights on the bench and he'll she'll just be like

01:55:58.200 --> 01:56:00.680
It's whatever amount right and he'll just be like yep, and it's

01:56:02.440 --> 01:56:08.600
She just does it every time It's like not not a suggestion. Don't do that

01:56:10.280 --> 01:56:16.920
But yeah That's crazy considering her weight too. Like that's actually nuts. That's awesome

01:56:18.680 --> 01:56:27.640
All right. Yeah mom. Good job Uh, what are we supposed to be doing? Oh, yes the flow plane announcement. This is a really exciting one

01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:32.760
This is hardly even us, you know doing promotion. This is just oh, yeah

01:56:32.840 --> 01:56:38.600
This is just freaking out. Okay. Have you seen it? No, not at all. I've been waiting for it to launch a flip. It's so

01:56:39.480 --> 01:56:43.480
good This was this was p this this series was peak

01:56:44.120 --> 01:56:46.680
Uh Channel Super Fun Channel Super Fun

01:56:47.320 --> 01:56:50.600
Is off hiatus Let's go

01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:58.600
Let's go But the temporarily one video one episode. Yeah one video only as scrapyard wars reaches its midpoint

01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:02.520
We want to give the team an extra week to finish up the last couple of episodes

01:57:02.680 --> 01:57:06.600
But we don't want to leave our floaters empty-handed

01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:13.320
So we've got you guys early access to the new Channel Super Fun video to celebrate us

01:57:14.280 --> 01:57:17.880
getting off hiatus

01:57:18.040 --> 01:57:22.520
or Unless Here it is

01:57:22.520 --> 01:57:28.280
How hard is it to beat professional athletes nerd sports episode

01:57:29.080 --> 01:57:34.920
10 I think they mean six, but sure. Yeah, wait, why 10 episode x?

01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:46.600
um This is great. Nerd sports is back, baby The keyboard warriors face off against professional badminton players jenny and gregory mayors in the most fair and balanced showdown in all of sports

01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:54.200
Asterisk asterisk this competition is neither fair nor balanced. That's right. My friends. It's just like the old nerd sports

01:57:55.400 --> 01:57:58.040
Oh, would it but no spoilers no spoilers

01:57:59.160 --> 01:58:03.400
But I will play a little bit of it for you guys. It is the oh do they have my audio?

01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:10.200
Uh, no, you're playing in the background as well Yeah, but uh one second one moment, please

01:58:11.320 --> 01:58:16.200
Uh, am I though? Oh, yes, I am. There's the tab. I found it. Look at that

01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:19.960
Uh, oh really? Oh

01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:29.160
They'll just okay, sure. Finally won't hear it. They can hear it now. Uh, so anyway, I do like a coaching session with my boys

01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:36.680
um, and ladies They see how real athletes warm up. They try their best to follow along

01:58:37.400 --> 01:58:41.720
It's pretty great They watch their warm up

01:58:41.960 --> 01:58:43.960
I can't

01:58:45.480 --> 01:58:48.920
Oh, yeah, sorry. Here's my coaching session with the boys and ladies

01:58:50.200 --> 01:58:55.240
I get them to try to hit some shuttles. It's next. It's great. That's good. Do that again

01:58:56.040 --> 01:59:04.200
Here we go. Here we go. Ah Yeah, uh, and then we play and there's all kinds of fun things. I've got my wheel of pain here

01:59:05.240 --> 01:59:11.800
I get to spin the wheel of pain whenever Basically, I feel like it and I can give different rackets to the pros

01:59:12.280 --> 01:59:18.520
um They have to wear eye patches at some point. It's it's a it's a laugh and

01:59:19.000 --> 01:59:23.160
Greg and Jenny these guys were such good sports about the whole thing

01:59:23.800 --> 01:59:26.040
They're professional athletes and so

01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:33.800
They can't they kind of can't help it like They want to win, you know, but we really didn't make it easy on them

01:59:34.760 --> 01:59:37.560
That's the whole that's that's what that's nerd sports, man

01:59:38.120 --> 01:59:44.600
You got to find a way for the nerds to win or to have a chance at least we have to find a way for the nerds to have a chance

01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:50.760
Gotta be close. Um I don't want to I don't want to spoil too much, but it's a great video. It's a great watch

01:59:50.840 --> 01:59:56.920
You guys are gonna enjoy the absolute heck out of it and I'm gonna go ahead and set that public right

01:59:57.640 --> 02:00:01.000
Now we also have a behind the scenes that

02:00:01.320 --> 02:00:05.080
Um Is what?

02:00:05.080 --> 02:00:12.600
Oh, we have it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's extras Oh, okay. We have me playing the badminton pros

02:00:15.240 --> 02:00:20.360
Uh, apparently this is about nine minutes long. I apparently shot a little intro

02:00:21.240 --> 02:00:24.040
I was actually playing pretty decent that day, but

02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:28.360
Obviously, they are literally professionals. So

02:00:29.080 --> 02:00:32.920
Yeah, you know that sort of thing they can just kind of

02:00:34.040 --> 02:00:37.080
Dunk on me like that. Do you see that deception there?

02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:47.080
That's actually that's not a bad bad backhand, but it's effortless. You see that you see what he did. Oh, that was brutal

02:00:48.120 --> 02:00:52.360
Yikes Linus watch his racket

02:00:53.560 --> 02:01:02.840
Oh that Socks and I hit it out. Anyway, so yeah, we have me playing a playing a set with them. Respect the dive. Thank you. Thank you

02:01:02.840 --> 02:01:07.320
I do my best. All right. I'm gonna set that public now. That is up on flow plane

02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:11.240
So the main video mainline video will be going up on Channel Super Fun

02:01:11.320 --> 02:01:15.640
But the the extras of me playing them is gonna be behind the scenes

02:01:17.160 --> 02:01:21.320
All right What are we supposed to be doing now Dan?

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Let's see here. What do we got Intel grabs hold of two billion dollars

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Uh, definitely an amount that I would accept for my likeness

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Uh, and in just in case anyone's shopping uh in an ocean of uncertainty after many years of rush rough financial seas

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percent Wow, uh after softbank a japanese investment conglomerate has agreed to invest

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Two billion dollars into it nothing ever goes bad after softbank invests into anyone

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Um, they they invested into Intel's future in a commitment to advanced technology and semiconductors in the united states

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A lot of the press briefings circle around the increased manufacturing of chips for ai in the us itself. Okay

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This new investment comes after the trump administration announced It is in talks with Intel to turn money pledged under biden into 10 ownership of Intel

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Just after just a few weeks after Intel's ceo took a little ride aboard the white house's

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metaphorical emotional abuse roller coaster which we talked about previously on WAN Show not only that

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But trump has been strong arming other chip makers with uh requirements to AMD and vidya to i'm pretty sure they propose this

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Not trump's strong around them, but either way uh to AMD and vidya to pay 15 commission on sales in china in exchange for

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Export licenses. I'm pretty sure that was a pitch from them. I don't i'm pretty sure AMD and vidya were like look

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Let us do this. We will pay you 15 percent not not the other way around i could be wrong with that

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But i'm just i think i think that's what happened We have a discussion question if the u.s government owns part of one of the chip makers

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What kind of malerkey should the others expect? Yeah, this is um, this is pretty interesting

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This is this is one of those things where

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If it wasn't coming from the party of small government and free market, I would find it less confusing

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But overall, I don't necessarily think it's the dumbest move in the world. I mean we've talked a fair bit about

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It's norway, right that has the sovereign wealth fund. Yeah, um, that's worked out pretty good for them

02:06:21.640 --> 02:06:27.080
mostly, um I sent you that gonna get a bailout of some kind and

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How much better of a position would you know the american sovereign wealth fund be if the bailouts that they'd done during the

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2008 financial crisis had granted them equity in those companies like

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Uh, you know what if you're gonna bail something out? I kind of don't disagree that you should probably get something for your trouble

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If the taxpayers are gonna pay for it the taxpayers should probably get the dividends

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but I mean that's where we sort of run into trouble with this is

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What Pray tell evidence are you going to provide that the taxpayers will receive said dividends?

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Yeah, it's gonna go to like $7,000 trash cans for military planes and stuff

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Womp womp Neat

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I thought you were gonna pick good news What good news

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LZT has switched back to 16 by 9

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After years of releasing our videos in a two by one aspect ratio across most of our channels

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We are returning to the very sane 16 by 9 aspect ratio

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David mr. David Goatier. Why did you italicize very sane?

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In this sentence I

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What are you trying to say, sir

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We had chosen to buy one as a compromise between 16 by 9

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and wider aspect ratios like you would find on ultra wide monitors or

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many phones then and now Um to reduce letterboxing on as many displays as possible

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Now hold on just a gosh darn second But then we realized that was stupid

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And that users can zoom in on a video to fill their screen if they really care now hold on just a gosh darn minute mr. Goatier

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We've never really worked with safe zones a little bit of editorialization

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we've never really We've never really worked with safe zones. And so um, I felt that it was a simpler approach to have

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smaller areas of potential Ingress

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On the top and the bottom so we didn't have to worry too much about like where our mogarts and lower thirds and various graphics

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Showed up in order to avoid things being clipped

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But the main reason that we're switching back now is that Colton and the business team have been in talks with some

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um like

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I get what what would I what would I call them? Are they called ott?

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like the the Like t like basically like tv channel feeds like app based

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App based. Oh, yeah, they have a name content feeds. I can't remember ot a no not

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Over the set up like, uh, I think it's ott is it ott. Well, whatever the point is over the top

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They want 16 by 9 And so now we're going back through our entire catalog of content and going

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Whoops

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Fast that's it free ad support is dreaming. That's it. That's it for sure. Thank you

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Yeah, move ready. So Yeah, we're so we're going back to 16 by 9 and we're probably just going to have to start using safe zones. Yes, daniel beser who

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apparently lost his um

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Talking privileges or something so he wrote it like this on the dock instead of just saying it

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Well, to be fair, it was like a merch message earlier. So I thought you would just

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Pop in some discussion with that. That's fine. You can write a message if you like. I'm just saying you could also talk to us

02:10:16.200 --> 02:10:19.960
No, just whatever you do. Don't don't let dms talk make him sit there

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Stop it

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Don't hit me don't stop

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I'm just realizing dank can really just voice act anything that's happening back there

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Don't stand like that

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I will not You don't pay me enough for that

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Oh my god, we gotta buy his likeness

02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:54.200
Okay, five bucks Okay, sir five bucks. I would do that. I would buy your likeness or five bucks. I don't know what I'd do with it

02:10:54.200 --> 02:10:58.200
Well, it's only going to one of you bidding more time. I can figure it. Oh, I'm a business

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I only pay you tuesday for your likeness today Okay

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Uh pixel peeping the new pixels Google had their made by google 25 event which they announced in which they announced several new devices

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The pixel 10 pixel 10 pro pixel 10 pro xl pixel 10 pro fold pixel buds 2a and pixel watch 4

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Wow, the phones feature their new tensor g5 chip which according to google has 60 more power on the tpu

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And is 34 faster on CPU compared to last year's tensor g4 chip the pixel 10

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Except the fold lineup will be isim only for the us models while other regions will retain their physical sim trays

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And the pixel 10 pro fold is the first foldable with an ip68 rating meaning it has a pretty solid dust and water resistance

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Would have come in handy for me once. Yep. I can remember that

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Google also announced that their devices are getting pixel snap

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Which is basically using the new chi 2 wireless charging standard that allows

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Snapping of magnetic accessories to the back of the device

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Okay, google is launching some of their own as well like the pixel snap charger pixel snap cases and pixel snap ring stand

02:12:07.160 --> 02:12:11.640
Why don't you care about megsafe? No, i'm sorry pixel snap. Excuse me. That's why

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It's like, oh, they're finally catching up. I mean, it's a big feature for iphone people

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I I personally don't have too many occasions where I need to magnetically attach my phone to stuff

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Maybe i'm just thinking inside the box ecosystem. Yeah

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Where well, when would I do that? Should I do it now? Should I stick it to something like I?

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My phone lives in my pocket Yeah

02:12:34.840 --> 02:12:42.040
Yeah, you know what no I lied. I lied my minivan. Yeah, my minivan doesn't have Android auto

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Yeah, so if I if I had a magnetic doodad nicer than clamping it in

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Yeah, yeah, I'd probably they also actively charge so it's easier to just like toss it on a thing when it's going to magnetize to the right spot

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Um, okay, I think it's cool. I still use a cable to charge. Yeah

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Maybe because we're google boomers

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Google boomers. Yeah, this is the thing. Are we making this a thing? Yeah

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No, the reason the reason I use my cable is because I have my phone in bed next to me

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Uh, because I listen to my bluetooth earphones and because plex is a giant piece of

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Phone doesn't need to be in bed with you my well. No because my video stops all the time

02:13:25.400 --> 02:13:31.080
Because plex is a giant piece of shit Have you have you thought about jelly finnan? I have

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I am gonna wait until Ashtack gets their hexos integration with jelly fin

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And then I am just gonna have it be easy

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Yep, it's it's amazing how many years

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Plex has just like not been able to just indefinitely play video

02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:55.640
Like there's no like there's no reason for it. You know, it's not like netflix where it's like

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Yeah, at some point they're probably not watching so we should save bandwidth like it's my bandwidth

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Yeah on my wi-fi you shouldn't care. Um, like years and years and years ago

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I would I would wake up in the morning and like my show would still be playing

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These days it'll last. I don't know anywhere from one to five episodes

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And usually I fall asleep in that time so it doesn't really matter

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But like why can't you do it? And if there's an error

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I don't care Don't tell me about it

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Process it in the background with the buffer that you already have

02:14:31.400 --> 02:14:38.040
And start playing it again at the point of the buffer like why do I have to explain to you how to play a freaking video?

02:14:38.760 --> 02:14:44.280
What is happening a bunch of the omega nerds in full-plane chat are saying mb

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Yeah Don't know about that

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Jelly fin seems to be the one that's getting the

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It seems to be the one that's like being pushed forward faster. I know mb was the play for a long time

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But i'm a dude i'm super i'm super frustrated with plex at this point. I just like can't I can't anymore for forever

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um, so yeah, maybe maybe what i'll do is i'll

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I'll do like a mb versus jelly fin. I'll figure it out. I just

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it's so Pedious moving over like a big media library. Yeah, we gotta keep upgrading the house, man

02:15:24.840 --> 02:15:32.840
Yeah I just i'm getting a headache just thinking about dealing with all of the like file naming

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crap Is is there like a migration tool?

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I mean Probably but part of the problem is that I I have never

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Done all my file naming properly in the first place. Oh look at you

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So I have like thousands of Linux isos that don't have proper naming and plex mostly figures it out

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So it doesn't really matter Except when it does and it's really annoying. So thinking about doing that for everything is just very overwhelming

02:16:00.920 --> 02:16:04.440
I don't understand what plex is doing. So you guys were there

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We actually used it for me for the first time plex is like new business, which is

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Uh, free ad supported television. It's very confusing. We watched doctor strange love

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It was Okay, I do have a plex pass. So maybe this impacts it, but it was completely free

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It had no ads The quality was

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Great, like it it streamed it. I forget how many megabit it was, but it was it was nice

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Oh, it was like 50. Yeah, it was too high. It was great. It was amazing

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And i'm kind of sitting here going Okay, so step one

02:16:43.560 --> 02:16:47.240
completely f*** up the, you know

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traditional piracy use case

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step two question mark

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Build whatever the f*** this is with like free

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TV streaming step three profit like what are they making money? Does plex make money?

02:17:03.720 --> 02:17:08.280
I have no idea. I've it's been fascinating lately to find out how many companies

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don't And are just funded by constant rounds of vc and investors

02:17:16.840 --> 02:17:22.120
It's actually like wild Very interesting to me. It's such a weird space because

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We never took investment money. Yeah, but like it's a huge thing

02:17:29.160 --> 02:17:33.000
Weird Okay, well, here's an article from

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January of last year Streaming media company plex raises 40 million dollars as it nears

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profitability

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The new round which has not yet been disclosed was initially said to be larger than plex's 50 million growth round closed a few years ago

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We now understand it's 40 million a rep for plex has confirmed

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The funds will help fuel the company's push toward profitability expected by year-end or just after

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Uh Okay, thank you for it. Okay. Thank you for that

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plex's real world valuation is unknown as the company hasn't raised outside funds in some time preferring to work with its existing set of investors

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Now I might be I might be misunderstanding investment

02:18:23.400 --> 02:18:29.240
So is investment a hole in the hole in the ground where you keep putting money

02:18:29.480 --> 02:18:35.480
Is that investment this is this is where I find things to be kind of confusing because it seems like

02:18:37.240 --> 02:18:42.840
Like there's some companies That I have been it's raf2k says I love edging profits

02:18:45.560 --> 02:18:50.840
That's pretty funny. Um, there are some companies that I've been exposed to information recently where they like

02:18:53.400 --> 02:18:57.000
Have like never made money have been around for a very long time

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Mm-hmm, and who knows if they're ever going to and if they're going to it's not gonna

02:19:02.600 --> 02:19:05.240
There's no like plan for them to like make a bunch

02:19:05.960 --> 02:19:12.040
You know It's weird This is and there's obviously there's always the sell the company kind of grift thing

02:19:12.520 --> 02:19:16.520
You try to get big enough It's like it's like the whole like don't make revenue idea

02:19:16.920 --> 02:19:23.880
Because you try to get big enough and look scary enough But don't actually really actualize so that you can sell to someone big so they can like shut you down basically

02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:27.560
Because they see you as a potential threat or you can they don't know how much of a threat

02:19:27.560 --> 02:19:32.600
So they just want to buy you to get or you can sell to like, uh, you know a drug add old billionaire or something sure

02:19:32.920 --> 02:19:37.560
Yeah, there's always that see this this this right here like they're saying the quiet part out loud

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We have the most supportive investors of any Valerie said I feel like funding has never been a concern of ours

02:19:45.240 --> 02:19:49.400
I mean Maybe your customers would be less pissed off at you

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If you felt like funding was a concern and you needed them to like you

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Yeah, like you know like I feel I feel like not being concerned about where your next meal is going to come from

02:19:59.880 --> 02:20:04.440
Might breed a little bit of urgency when it comes to dealing with long-standing issues on the platform

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Just saying just I don't know. Maybe it's crazy. Probably crazy

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All right, well, yeah, good luck with that. Um, what else we got?

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Let's see. Oh wait, we weren't done talking about the pixel. Yeah, the pixel event

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All right, the pixel watch 4 gets a brighter screen Um, 3 000 nits 16 smaller bezels and has a domed display that gives about 10 percent more visible screen space neat

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Starts at 350 bucks and claims 30 hours of battery life

02:20:39.720 --> 02:20:44.360
The buds 2a cost 130 bucks and include the tensor a1 chip this time around

02:20:44.680 --> 02:20:51.960
Also comes with a and c active noise cancelling and a slightly better charging case. Finally, there's the pixel flex dual

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67 watt charger The device can charge up to two devices at a max of 60 watts each and will detect when a pixel device is plugged in

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And prioritize that device to charge it

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quote first and faster

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Okay Neat but also

02:21:17.160 --> 02:21:21.720
Oh my god, no So two things here number one

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We need to stop f***ing with the usbc standard

02:21:25.560 --> 02:21:31.320
It's barely a standard already And the last thing the absolute

02:21:31.800 --> 02:21:37.000
Last thing on earth that I or anyone needs is more usbc devices

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That have proprietary Handshakes and bullshit

02:21:43.400 --> 02:21:50.200
Stop entire industry right now. It's time to stop. I also think like no one asked for this number two

02:21:52.440 --> 02:21:58.760
Have a priority port Give me control over it. Maybe I want to charge my phone to my laptop

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But I actually don't prefer to charge my phone right now faster. I want to charge my laptop faster

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Did you ever think of that?

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Am I missing something here?

02:22:13.800 --> 02:22:18.200
You should just have a priority port it should be labeled and then I can pick

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Yep Oh my god

02:22:29.000 --> 02:22:33.240
Discussion question Linus you had debated switching to the samsung fold 7 soon

02:22:33.480 --> 02:22:42.520
Do you think this pixel fold Is a compelling option considering it is 200 us dollars cheaper than the samsung or will you still be going with the samsung?

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Um, I will

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I I kind of miss my my one UI. I kind of want to go samsung first

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And it's that's gonna huh man. See I kind of feel like I've got my order of operations wrong here because

02:23:00.360 --> 02:23:08.200
I still haven't quite finished my graphino s switch I did figure out some of the challenges I was having having I'm in touch with someone from there and I I think I'm

02:23:08.680 --> 02:23:11.400
Basically ready to like switch over to it. I just need to set aside like

02:23:13.640 --> 02:23:18.200
It takes so long for me to switch devices, dude And like I don't want to blame you but like

02:23:19.000 --> 02:23:23.160
You know you're part of the problem. Why because if I want to okay

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For instance if I set aside a time for myself to switch all my stuff over like say for instance

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Uh, it's at 11 p.m. I'm like

02:23:33.160 --> 02:23:37.720
I don't know how to migrate like my pass keys. I literally don't even know how that stuff works anymore

02:23:37.960 --> 02:23:41.320
just my work accounts just like prompted me one day and

02:23:42.280 --> 02:23:46.600
Like I I literally can't sign into stuff without this phone some of them

02:23:46.840 --> 02:23:54.440
I need to sit down with someone from it And figure out what the crap is going on with all of my authentication factors because I'm not going to lie to you

02:23:54.920 --> 02:23:57.960
It's one of those things that's so much easier to just

02:23:58.840 --> 02:24:04.920
Dismiss every time I do it versus like fix. I still have accounts that prompt me for a ube key

02:24:05.240 --> 02:24:12.120
Okay, you have to own some of this. I do okay, but I'm gonna blame you for another thing

02:24:12.200 --> 02:24:16.040
I'm okay with at least some amount of that, but holy crap, dude

02:24:17.720 --> 02:24:20.520
My god unique username says pass keys are

02:24:21.400 --> 02:24:28.040
Not what we were promised. Oh my god, right? So I get a notification on my phone. I unlock my phone

02:24:28.200 --> 02:24:33.560
I have to click a thing. I get prompted for a f***ing fingerprint again

02:24:34.280 --> 02:24:40.120
I wait and it's like it's like seven to eight interaction. I could have typed a password

02:24:41.000 --> 02:24:47.400
Oh my god Anyway, the other one is I can't get into my badminton club

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Without requesting a new invitation to my identity system

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And I know we're working with the unify we're working with the ubiquity on that

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But like I literally can't even sign into all my stuff on my own

02:25:07.240 --> 02:25:10.520
I hate it So much one of those is to save

02:25:11.080 --> 02:25:15.800
Incredible amounts of money. I know I know so to bother you to sign in

02:25:16.600 --> 02:25:20.920
One time in an annoying way every time I switch a phone

02:25:21.080 --> 02:25:26.200
Sox one annoying time every time you switch a phone which you could delegate to like vance

02:25:26.520 --> 02:25:32.200
So you don't even have to do it I'm just I'm just wondering that we are saving so much money

02:25:34.200 --> 02:25:39.480
I know for one small extremely easily solvable not even doesn't even have to be by you step

02:25:40.360 --> 02:25:47.400
I just hate the way ubiquity handles that so that the enterprise versus the regular identity app and something something fee per user

02:25:47.560 --> 02:25:52.920
Smash chance has lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of users because all of its members have their key fobs

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And so we have to use the not enterprise one and literally the only way to sign into the not enterprise one is to get an invitation from your

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it department you cannot initiate it yourself

02:26:04.840 --> 02:26:10.280
Wait, unless you give me the ability to initiate it to myself shot. Why shot?

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Why? Why do you think? Because you're afraid I'll be too efficient

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At administrating it and I'll make you look bad

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I am a little bit afraid of your level of efficiency

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Way to say a notification comes in

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And just solving the problem right away, you know

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Okay, sorry, I just saw I saw a name in my notifications every time I see my grandfather's name in a notification

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I need to check right away. Uh-huh. He's still alive. Nice. All right

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Whoa, what? What did you do to that? I didn't I didn't do it. It must have been ran over by the

02:27:03.000 --> 02:27:08.760
Must be your acid freaking skin or something. What? No. Yeah, you'd like destroy everything you touch. That is true

02:27:10.120 --> 02:27:17.800
This is like unironically true Is that your headphone cord? Yeah. Yeah, okay. I'll replace that. I don't know if you can see that from here

02:27:18.040 --> 02:27:22.840
Don't you worry? I don't think man. That's a Dan task. I think it's I don't want to be that guy

02:27:22.840 --> 02:27:26.680
But I really don't think replacing a cord is a Dan task might just be a no one task

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Oh, I mean like I've got one I've got one on the shelf. They can just like sure these ones are replaceable

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But I think that we should just

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Let's just throw out the headphones. We're not gonna throw out the headphones But we we need better headphones. Don't we? I mean, I'm gesturing vaguely at the man sitting next to me

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Need is such a strong word. That could be a video maybe like we wear them for four hours a week

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And you complain the entire time. I do not that that is uh, I complain the entire okay sure

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I complain a lot on wancho not about these 208 hours a year you just complain about headphones. That's what your life is now be gone

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Be banished Fly

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Fly fool Wait, have we still not done the ai sharpening topic?

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No, holy bananas. Oh

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YouTuber ret shul posted a video last thursday investigating

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What appeared to him to be ai enhancements being applied to youtube shorts without the creator's knowledge or consent

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After fellow music youtuber rick beto contacted shul with example posts from his instagram and youtube accounts

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and I got to say the difference is

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It's pretty interesting. Uh, we're not going to play his whole video because that's not how we do our react content

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That is a lens. That is a lens and a half that was chosen here. Don't worry about it. But look at this

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You see that shift You see as he's shifting between youtube shorts and instagram

02:29:01.880 --> 02:29:07.640
How different the same piece of content looks and you can you can tell from the interface here

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Yeah Okay, so this sparked a whole lot of conversation

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Um, and shul's video included some experiments of his own seeing the same effect was

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Seeing the same effect on his own videos that was impacting beto's videos

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He went on to find a reddit thread discussing the same effect showing up on some of hank greens shorts

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Then the plot thickens after we reported on the story on monday's TechLinked youtube responded

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With an explanation Okay, technically youtube responded to a guy who retweeted a reposted clip originally tweeted out by some other guy who

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Clipped it from monday's tech link video, but you know what?

02:29:47.480 --> 02:29:53.640
We're counting it. What accounts youtube liaison renee richie said that this is an experiment that does not

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involve generative ai or upscaling

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What it is intended to do is unbler

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denoise and improve clarity using

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traditional machine learning techniques

02:30:11.400 --> 02:30:19.400
What Where's the line richie also said the experiment was only running on a limited number of shorts

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But as far as we could tell it's pretty widespread

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Responses on twitter were almost universally opposed to using any sort of ai which that is

02:30:30.920 --> 02:30:36.200
Well, generally how people have considered it. Yes. Okay. It was hauled ai

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Until we got new stuff that we called ai and this will happen again

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We will stop calling Predictive llms ai because they're not once another layer comes out and then that's just gonna keep going. Yes

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um And I I I remember like committing to not call what we have ai and call it machine learning forever

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But what I realized is that I couldn't continue doing that forever because it's confusing because because people get confused

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Yeah, who don't understand the distinction Everything we have now is machine learning all of it. None of it is ai

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We could call it generative machine learning or whatever, but it is certainly not an intelligence of any sort and is

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That falls far short of what we think in science in science fiction terms

02:31:27.160 --> 02:31:32.360
Of yeah, what ai is supposed to mean. Yeah the like 80s idea of ai

02:31:32.760 --> 02:31:35.400
Yes, we don't have it. Not a thing. We're not close. Yeah

02:31:36.440 --> 02:31:43.560
Others pointed out the trend of companies avoiding the term generative ai in favor of the less threatening sounding traditional machine learning

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Yeah, still others pointed out that when every video looks like it's been made with ai

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It's going to be a lot harder to identify the ones that actually are

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Made with ai and it says Dan has a clip

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See it for yourself side by side comparison of the same clips downloaded from youtube and insta. All right hit it

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Which one looks more sharp, I mean the one on the left looks way sharper. Yeah. Yeah, definitely left by a lot

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I like too much

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Makes me think our cameras are really blurry

02:32:23.720 --> 02:32:27.320
Oh, this is an interesting one too because you can see it in the artifacts. Yeah

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You could really see it when I spun in the chair and look at the scrolling big artifacts

02:32:33.640 --> 02:32:35.640
Like that. It's maybe your video works

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This is one of those things where better is not always better

02:32:44.360 --> 02:32:50.120
Well, it's it's I think it's not better Well, it's it it is more sharp

02:32:50.680 --> 02:32:56.520
And sharpness is generally considered to be a brutal though. Sure, but I just mean like uh, like

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You could create a lot of metrics And you could use those metrics that you created to measure the one on the left as being better. Yeah

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But better Is not always better. We had this the right side looks much more natural

02:33:16.200 --> 02:33:24.760
Yeah Yeah, I didn't feel that mine looked as bad as some of the examples I saw though

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Like I I think those examples are particularly cherry-picked and this was just a random one. No, I don't I don't think that either

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I just think that maybe

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Whether it's our camera we use or whether it's that that particular video

02:33:40.760 --> 02:33:44.600
Like there were certainly areas where it looked really bad, but for the most part

02:33:44.760 --> 02:33:49.560
I I I didn't I felt it looked like over-processed, but I didn't feel it looked like a I

02:33:50.520 --> 02:33:56.600
Scrappy dp and full playing chat said peter mckinnon made a video recently on not sharpening your content because youtube is applying

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It's so hard after the upload that actually makes a ton of sense

02:34:01.000 --> 02:34:07.000
Interesting idea Our discussion question here is is it okay to take a short creator's control away?

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In terms of what their content looks like and what's to stop youtube from going on and applying these enhancements to

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Everything to long-form videos tv shows films delivered by the platform

02:34:17.960 --> 02:34:21.880
Where's the line and I would say the line is in the rear view mirror

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Way back there The second youtube does any processing to your video and they do it and they do it on every

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Single video that is served by the platform. They are impacting the look and that's not a battle that was never a war

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That's how it's going to go. In fact instagram is also applying processing

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And what we're watching on the instagram side is their interpretation

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Mostly probably optimized to save on to save on bandwidth

02:34:57.880 --> 02:35:00.680
Of what your original file was

02:35:01.400 --> 02:35:07.800
Even your original file you upload is processed and is sort of approximated

02:35:08.120 --> 02:35:13.080
Compared to what your sensor saw And even that is an approximation

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However, I think that we can all agree that

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Making things look more Over-processed and ai generated is not good and this seems to be

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Over the line That seemed yeah, I like that

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Okay, neat good one

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What do we got next I don't know why don't you pick something you want to pick something?

02:35:40.200 --> 02:35:45.880
Yeah, that's it's pretty interesting cool. Seagate tries an exciting new kind of raid earlier this year

02:35:45.960 --> 02:35:52.600
He's doing good. All right earlier this year seagate security teams working alongside

02:35:53.240 --> 02:36:00.120
Malaysian authorities conducted a raid on a counterfeit hard drive operation. These are man. I would love to see one of these

02:36:00.200 --> 02:36:05.320
Right, that would be so interesting. How was that? How was it even possible? That would be fascinating

02:36:05.400 --> 02:36:08.440
I always find remember the genuine Intel CPU thing

02:36:09.080 --> 02:36:12.200
like what

02:36:12.200 --> 02:36:18.520
I would love to see the place. Sorry Intel, but I would love to see the place that makes non genuine Intel CPU's

02:36:19.320 --> 02:36:21.320
You mean AMD. Anyway carry on

02:36:22.360 --> 02:36:29.960
Oh Those are some spicy how the turntables have turned school war words. Yeah

02:36:30.520 --> 02:36:38.520
um anyways the the the raid uncovered nearly 700 seagate drives in various models with capacities up to 18

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terabytes Along with drives from other manufacturers the drives are believed to have come from china where they were used to sore

02:36:46.680 --> 02:36:49.400
Chia, which is I think a storage currency. Yeah

02:36:50.280 --> 02:36:58.280
And sold off after that cryptocurrency became you know unprofitable used drives had their smart values reset oof

02:36:59.080 --> 02:37:02.440
Data wiped and were cleaned relabeled and repackaged

02:37:02.920 --> 02:37:10.440
So okay, I see sometimes is a more valuable model than they started out as and were then sold at discounted rates on local

02:37:10.520 --> 02:37:15.320
e-commerce platform This was a whole thing and seagate has probably invested

02:37:15.960 --> 02:37:19.720
significant resources chasing this bull it down instead of like

02:37:20.840 --> 02:37:26.840
Working on things that are valuable to their business. I actually really feel for them in this situation. Yeah, that's brutal like not on

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There and I mean maybe they could do more to prevent their smart values from being overwritten, but like

02:37:35.080 --> 02:37:42.840
I don't know should they have seen this coming. I don't know Maybe this has happened before that i'm not aware of and they like should have seen this coming and should have done better, but

02:37:44.360 --> 02:37:52.040
I don't know you you You build a bigger lock and someone's gonna build a bigger bolt cutter, right like I I also don't quite

02:37:53.000 --> 02:37:59.720
They got they got really kind of f***ed on over this and that sucks. It's not it's just a bigger delay

02:38:00.360 --> 02:38:03.000
Ideally, there's there's nothing better than that

02:38:04.680 --> 02:38:10.360
To try to reduce the impact of these scams seagate partners are now being required to purchase and resell drives

02:38:10.840 --> 02:38:19.160
exclusively from authorized distributors And this is why we can't have nice things because I would love for you to be able to you know

02:38:19.800 --> 02:38:21.800
buy and sell and and

02:38:23.000 --> 02:38:25.240
Move older parts around as needed

02:38:30.040 --> 02:38:37.960
But now all of a sudden we need this like central administration of everything and tracking of everything and it and it legitimately adds cost

02:38:38.280 --> 02:38:41.960
It's not that they're just gonna like you know gouge or whatever because there's no competition

02:38:41.960 --> 02:38:45.960
But it legitimately adds overhead and cost and that just blows for everyone

02:38:46.760 --> 02:38:53.400
Kind of wrecks the uh, the use market people are asking if server part deals is an authorized reseller. I don't know

02:38:55.160 --> 02:39:01.960
Uh, someone want to look that up and figure it out Yeah, tim also points out it doesn't matter if they make their smart values harder to overwrite because

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They can also just overwrite the smart values of cheap crap drives and call them seagate

02:39:07.000 --> 02:39:10.360
I knew server part deals was legit. I didn't know if they were an authorized reseller

02:39:10.360 --> 02:39:15.400
There aren't that many cheap crap hard drives out there like there's only a handful of hard drive manufacturers even left

02:39:15.480 --> 02:39:20.200
So i'm not a hundred percent sure on that one, but anyway, apparently they are an authorized retailer nice

02:39:21.000 --> 02:39:25.400
um Very cool. I'm not surprised. They're they're very legit, but

02:39:28.200 --> 02:39:33.480
Yeah, but yeah, so seagate has implemented a global trade screening process to try to identify suspicious suppliers

02:39:33.800 --> 02:39:40.680
And see it reminds customers or sort of consumers to exercise caution when buying drives from non major retailers or third-party sellers

02:39:41.000 --> 02:39:45.400
Toward the blue in Floatplane chat also says your viewers should know that seagate released a tool

02:39:45.400 --> 02:39:48.120
Where you can check values that are not able to be rewritten

02:39:48.600 --> 02:39:54.600
So that's pretty cool. At least they're that is very cool. At least they're doing things about this even though

02:39:55.240 --> 02:39:58.520
None of this should have happened and people should just not be butt heads. Um

02:39:59.240 --> 02:40:04.760
Hilbert gilbertson Said that it's in c-tools, which makes sense very cool

02:40:04.760 --> 02:40:12.200
The rog xbox ally has gotten a release date alongside a new game verification program before we go into that really quick

02:40:12.200 --> 02:40:16.680
I just want to say it's kind of cool that that was negative news, but had an interesting and cool story

02:40:17.000 --> 02:40:20.280
Yeah, I thought you'd like that one. I like that. Yeah, that is very cool

02:40:20.360 --> 02:40:26.520
I'd love to see one of these places that would be so wicked anyone from seagate watching like i'll i'll get on a plane

02:40:27.160 --> 02:40:31.080
Let's go. Let's go check it out because like i feel it's like it

02:40:31.720 --> 02:40:38.680
It feels like it'd be if like it's like the kind of thing where if like rick sanchez and like millhouse van houten

02:40:40.280 --> 02:40:45.960
Like made a meth lab, you know like it's like tech meth lab like i'm that's what i'm kind of imagining

02:40:46.040 --> 02:40:53.000
You know, I mean it would be it would honestly be a really good dexter dexter's in there somewhere and like uh like jason fox

02:40:53.560 --> 02:41:00.520
you know like just I think it would be really good exposure for the

02:41:01.800 --> 02:41:05.240
The communication they're trying to get across of like making sure you're getting legitimate drives

02:41:05.320 --> 02:41:10.120
Yeah, making sure that you can check your drives using c-tools if you were going to buy off of the use market or something

02:41:10.360 --> 02:41:19.160
You could check the drive before you actually do the exchange Um and promoting their whole authorized reseller thing. I think it makes a ton of sense and it would be wicked for content

02:41:19.880 --> 02:41:27.640
I think seagate should do it with you. I think that would be fantastic Yeah, if anyone knows anyone who's at seagate like hit them up. That'll be wicked. Let's do it. That would be freaking awesome

02:41:27.960 --> 02:41:34.920
Very cool. All right microsoft announced at gamescom that the new rog xbox ally handheld will be arriving on store shelves on october

02:41:35.480 --> 02:41:43.640
16th and with it the new handheld compatibility program an initiative similar to the steam dex compatibility program designed to make more

02:41:43.720 --> 02:41:46.680
Games ready to play on your supported xbox handheld

02:41:47.240 --> 02:41:53.880
Like valves initiative there will be three tiers of rankings incompatible mostly compatible and handheld optimized

02:41:54.360 --> 02:42:03.240
xbox also announced the gaming co-pilot beta via game bar a personalized ai gaming companion that helps you get to your favorite games faster

02:42:03.960 --> 02:42:08.360
Improve your skills and it offers context to wear support based on what you're playing

02:42:08.360 --> 02:42:10.360
Okay

02:42:15.720 --> 02:42:21.160
After being spotted via benchmark leak steam machines are back on the menu boys

02:42:21.320 --> 02:42:28.120
Let's go after months of rumors the existence of a valves fremont pc box slash console has been leaked

02:42:28.280 --> 02:42:32.520
Through benchmarks on geekbench as well as some of the specs listed down below

02:42:33.320 --> 02:42:38.520
The processor codenamed hawk point 2 is likely a refresh of phoenix 2

02:42:38.920 --> 02:42:42.200
The younger and smaller cousin of the z1 extreme

02:42:42.760 --> 02:42:48.520
valves first attempt to add a console like steam machine experience for at least nearly a decade ago to um

02:42:49.080 --> 02:42:51.720
Whatever the opposite of fanfare is but

02:42:52.680 --> 02:42:58.360
I I feel very strongly. I think we're in a different realm that this is a different time

02:42:58.840 --> 02:43:02.440
This is a different valve a more focused valve and

02:43:02.920 --> 02:43:12.360
It's a different Linux in no small part Thanks to the efforts that valve has made to push forward gaming on Linux very dramatically different Linux here

02:43:12.360 --> 02:43:20.200
We have specs uh before you actually do that. Okay, uh, I'm gonna use this as a shameless plug for

02:43:21.080 --> 02:43:27.080
Uh, the is 2025 the year of the Linux desktop part 1 and 2 articles on the lab site. Heck. Yeah

02:43:27.720 --> 02:43:35.480
So, yeah, very different Linux. Sorry. Do you go ahead? Heck. Yeah. Uh, all right back here. So, okay, we get six cores

02:43:40.440 --> 02:43:44.120
Nice little level three cache And

02:43:44.120 --> 02:43:47.640
That's about all we know Oh, there you go

02:43:47.640 --> 02:43:52.520
There's a geekbench score Good job everyone

02:43:52.520 --> 02:43:56.520
I'm stoked I I I

02:43:56.520 --> 02:43:59.400
Have had a little machine

02:44:00.200 --> 02:44:03.960
sitting in my family room just like

02:44:03.960 --> 02:44:11.080
Ready for steam os Yeah, it actually what does it have running on it now? It has an NVIDIA GPU and it uses an mxm module

02:44:11.080 --> 02:44:15.160
So it's like non-trivial to put an AMD GPU in it. Whatever it doesn't matter. Just relax

02:44:15.720 --> 02:44:19.720
Um, but I haven't been doing much with it. I think it still has Windows on it because um,

02:44:20.440 --> 02:44:26.600
even the like the steam os alike I prefer AMD GPU's from my understanding

02:44:27.160 --> 02:44:32.760
So it's been sitting there kind of waiting for steam os to be vendor agnostic and just like ready for any pc

02:44:33.480 --> 02:44:36.280
Starting to you know hopes fading a little bit

02:44:36.840 --> 02:44:43.160
But I think I could be convinced to just Huck it out of there and throw a throw a steam box in there. I'm

02:44:43.880 --> 02:44:46.920
I'm I'm jazzed. I just I love the steam os experience

02:44:47.640 --> 02:44:50.680
Especially for a not my only computer

02:44:51.400 --> 02:44:54.840
spot Like in my family room where it's just like, yeah, I want to play

02:44:55.080 --> 02:44:58.520
Um, okay cf stars had a had a free dlc

02:44:59.000 --> 02:45:07.320
Yeah, I want to play the cf stars dlc That is like the perfect device and the perfect place to do that steam os is just zero bs

02:45:07.400 --> 02:45:10.680
It boots straight into my stuff although microsoft is coming

02:45:11.240 --> 02:45:17.640
They're coming with the competition kind of I mean have you seen it? No, I've been hands-on for enough. It's um

02:45:18.600 --> 02:45:25.720
The efficiency gains that they are saying they've achieved are it's not steam os level efficient at least not now

02:45:26.760 --> 02:45:33.880
But they're they're making gains Like they literally don't even render the desktop in the background when they're running in gaming mode on this new handheld

02:45:34.200 --> 02:45:42.680
so Look, I don't have a ton of confidence either, but the xbox team got embedded with Windows like

02:45:42.920 --> 02:45:48.120
When in and you can't deny that on xbox the xbox is an efficient machine

02:45:49.880 --> 02:45:54.200
He has he has no hope look at him. Look at the hopelessness in his eyes. I

02:45:55.240 --> 02:45:57.240
at this

02:46:01.160 --> 02:46:07.800
But the hopelessness in your eyes. No, I'm I almost don't want them to do well. Oh microsoft. Yeah

02:46:08.760 --> 02:46:14.680
I mean the ship has been sailed for so long that you can't see it on the horizon anymore

02:46:16.040 --> 02:46:19.560
I want Linux to do well That's fair

02:46:19.560 --> 02:46:24.920
They that's only fair. It's valid. It's fair and valid kill the Windows gaming and pissed on its grave

02:46:26.200 --> 02:46:31.400
And then now like want it back. Yeah, like no, dude. We're all trying to move on

02:46:32.520 --> 02:46:37.720
Sorry, but like no, they're they're they're the abusive xbox. It's done. They want you back though

02:46:38.200 --> 02:46:41.560
Get out of here You better not you better not walk away

02:46:42.600 --> 02:46:44.920
I did all my laptop. I've been gone for a long time

02:46:45.880 --> 02:46:50.280
And it's been fine because they wasted all of the opportunities

02:46:51.800 --> 02:46:57.800
Like I just I don't know it's dude. I picked up my laptop. So this is one of the qualcomm machines

02:46:57.880 --> 02:47:00.360
I liquid metal spilled in my flow. Yeah

02:47:01.560 --> 02:47:07.080
We'll make probably be a video. I'll try and fix it. Anyway The point is I switched back to my my snapdragon machine

02:47:07.560 --> 02:47:12.840
And I grabbed it out of my bag when I was on set earlier working on the buying chromebooks for our kids

02:47:13.080 --> 02:47:17.080
video that I did with david today And it was hot

02:47:17.240 --> 02:47:22.680
It was closed And it was on. Yep. How is that still not fixed? Yep

02:47:24.440 --> 02:47:27.320
That's insane and like the the fact that there's ads

02:47:27.960 --> 02:47:33.080
In my freaking operating system is crazy. I mean there's ads in your mobile operating system. Yeah, that's true

02:47:33.080 --> 02:47:38.280
And that's nuts and that makes me want to move we talked about the only thing keeping me on official Android right now

02:47:38.680 --> 02:47:44.440
Is the the call screening? I think you might like graphing us. Yeah. Oh, I am rather certain

02:47:44.440 --> 02:47:50.360
I would I want to switch over it is only call screen Somebody flagged a call screening option for me that I'll try

02:47:50.760 --> 02:47:53.720
Okay during my switch if you try it and it works. I will switch

02:47:54.200 --> 02:48:01.400
Yeah, a hundred percent. I'm gone Like I'm just I'm so tired of this. I want to own my own stuff and like I'm not even trying to like

02:48:03.080 --> 02:48:09.960
I'm not even trying to be like traditional Linux nerd about it. I just get out of my things. Yeah

02:48:10.680 --> 02:48:15.240
Get out of my way. Yes. Just get out of my way. I bought Windows

02:48:16.840 --> 02:48:23.000
Off like I just yeah, what are you doing? I am so over it to get the ads out

02:48:23.480 --> 02:48:28.200
Stop screwing with search like just Go away

02:48:28.200 --> 02:48:31.640
Let me use my computer Windows itself stopped being like cool

02:48:32.600 --> 02:48:38.360
Said quite a while ago. Yeah And they stopped it felt like they really stopped making things for me

02:48:39.160 --> 02:48:43.480
Yeah, and they started just making things like annoying and inserting ads and doing all this garbage

02:48:43.720 --> 02:48:49.800
So like, okay, you lost me after Windows 7 Windows 7 was amazing when's the last time microsoft like

02:48:51.400 --> 02:48:59.480
Oh, no, they've done cool stuff with directx. Okay, never mind I feel like there used to be a lot more fanfare around like directx and gaming on Windows

02:48:59.800 --> 02:49:01.800
And I mean this whole I mean

02:49:03.320 --> 02:49:10.120
The news stripped down, you know Windows Gaming it just it feels like it's too late to me. That's fair. That's if they were working on this

02:49:10.360 --> 02:49:13.080
remember member game mode when it was just like

02:49:13.880 --> 02:49:18.040
Well, I don't even remember what was so bad about it, but I remember testing in the in the bench down just being like

02:49:18.200 --> 02:49:24.520
What is this? Yeah Game store Windows live was like the worst thing ever. Yeah, it was pretty bad

02:49:25.480 --> 02:49:28.680
Like microsoft gaming networking, I'm gonna say now

02:49:29.160 --> 02:49:35.720
This is not a now, but when like forzer has been five came out was super annoying. It's super annoying to just like play halo randomly now

02:49:36.520 --> 02:49:48.120
Like it's just uh Let fewer obstacles stop being incredibly. It's you know, the world is just like whoop when running Linux has been actually less annoying

02:49:48.760 --> 02:49:52.680
oooof But actually the sickest of burns

02:49:52.760 --> 02:49:56.920
Sickest of burns like it has been easier and less in my way

02:49:57.560 --> 02:50:02.120
I have had to do things to it to make it okay less than Windows

02:50:03.640 --> 02:50:06.120
Ouch like at this point just

02:50:07.880 --> 02:50:15.800
I yeah, you know what device is likely to work really well and never get in your way or have anything like you know

02:50:17.960 --> 02:50:21.320
Unbecoming about it what the trump phone

02:50:23.640 --> 02:50:25.640
Good transition check this out

02:50:27.480 --> 02:50:34.360
See this Yep, so this render of the trump phone

02:50:35.640 --> 02:50:40.120
Is just an image that they ripped off

02:50:41.240 --> 02:50:44.360
This accessory manufacturers website

02:50:45.720 --> 02:50:49.800
Is that wild or what? Yeah, um

02:50:50.520 --> 02:50:58.760
This is their upcoming t1 and it appears to be a samsung galaxy s25 ultra in spigans

02:50:58.760 --> 02:51:07.720
And i'm so sorry if i'm saying this wrong S25 ultra thin fit case you can even see their logo under the photoshopped on american flag

02:51:08.760 --> 02:51:17.080
What a what a lazy job You need to rip people off better our notes. Unfortunately say spagan

02:51:17.640 --> 02:51:21.560
Looks photoshopped you can tell by the way it is

02:51:22.280 --> 02:51:28.920
We all know that it's it looks photoshopped you can tell by the pixels the crazy part is it would have been so easy

02:51:29.480 --> 02:51:37.960
To do this not terribly But that's the weirdest part for me. I know it would have taken seconds more. I know like

02:51:41.000 --> 02:51:45.800
I I do kind of wonder when stuff like this happens and you know this might be

02:51:47.160 --> 02:51:51.080
For critical because earlier in the show I talked about how like, you know, we're humans

02:51:51.080 --> 02:51:55.320
We make mistakes sometimes But like when a mistake like that happens

02:51:55.400 --> 02:51:59.480
I wonder like is this someone inside just being like, you know, I need a job

02:52:00.200 --> 02:52:07.400
So i'm gonna do my job But also i'm gonna leave some like easter eggs in there that people will find so that people know this is stupid

02:52:07.880 --> 02:52:11.240
I I I kind of wonder sometimes because that's a wild mistake

02:52:12.280 --> 02:52:15.160
Yeah ripped off this case and just left the logo on it

02:52:15.960 --> 02:52:25.640
I don't know The site um still has the old version of the quote-unquote the t1 phone that will never exist and isn't real. Yeah

02:52:29.320 --> 02:52:31.640
How is this not such a huge tell for people?

02:52:34.600 --> 02:52:39.560
Anyways, that's a longer conversation Moving on

02:52:40.440 --> 02:52:43.000
NVIDIA throws a couple of bones to gamers

02:52:43.640 --> 02:52:48.840
GeForce now NVIDIA's cloud gaming service can now run on rtx 5080 equipped servers

02:52:49.800 --> 02:52:57.960
DLSS4 enables up to 120 FPS at 5k on pc and mac and had up to 90 FPS on the steam deck GeForce now app

02:52:58.520 --> 02:53:04.520
Install to play lets you also install games on your cloud pc if the dev has enabled to steam cloud

02:53:04.920 --> 02:53:08.120
streaming There is a bit of a catch you have to

02:53:08.360 --> 02:53:13.960
Install your game every time and there is a finite amount of storage on your instance

02:53:14.280 --> 02:53:19.960
You do have to pay extra to get more storage from my understanding So it's a little inconvenient to install your own games

02:53:19.960 --> 02:53:24.680
But hey at least it's there bringing them a little bit closer to a more shadow-like experience

02:53:25.320 --> 02:53:32.200
The NVIDIA app Can now automatically enable your preferred dLSS across all games and adds control for a few more settings

02:53:32.520 --> 02:53:39.000
Like NVIDIA surround bringing it ever so slightly closer to being a viable replacement for the NVIDIA control panel

02:53:39.560 --> 02:53:43.960
NVIDIA has also teamed up with discord bringing instant play experiences with GeForce now

02:53:44.360 --> 02:53:50.440
Inside discord no install required just click a link from a friend and instantly load into a game to try it out

02:53:51.320 --> 02:53:55.160
That's right. You can play any game you want as long as that game is fortnite

02:53:56.040 --> 02:53:59.800
And you can only play for a 30 minute free trial. That is still nuts

02:54:00.120 --> 02:54:05.320
That is that sounds like future. I haven't heard future in a while. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool

02:54:06.920 --> 02:54:12.920
I mean Am I are we overestimating this? Is it literally just a link that opens a browser and you play the game in the bank?

02:54:12.920 --> 02:54:18.200
It's still a cool thing. It's still cool. Game streaming is one of those things that I'm I I think is super cool

02:54:18.200 --> 02:54:24.680
I I remember taking so much flak for that video. I did like years and years ago comparing latency of

02:54:25.640 --> 02:54:29.480
local streaming over the internet streaming and then like

02:54:29.880 --> 02:54:35.720
Rendering locally and saying anything other than that. This is horrible and we should all hate it and resist it

02:54:36.280 --> 02:54:43.080
And people were like super mad at me about it. It's like here. We are it's pretty freaking cool and the latency once you're running at 120 FPS is

02:54:44.120 --> 02:54:53.000
Not bad. I'm kind of approaching magic at that point. I mean, we know what goes on, but it's like I definitely would rather render locally, but like

02:54:53.320 --> 02:54:59.160
If I didn't want to spend I mean, I was at Best Buy today for that chromebook video and it was

02:55:00.040 --> 02:55:05.160
1700 canadian dollars for a 5080 I could buy a lot of f***ing g-force now

02:55:05.880 --> 02:55:08.440
for 1700 canadian dollars

02:55:10.920 --> 02:55:12.920
It's compelling

02:55:14.520 --> 02:55:16.520
And that's it for topics it's time for after dark

02:55:18.040 --> 02:55:22.280
Because I don't know where What did you find after dark is that exciting?

02:55:23.000 --> 02:55:25.000
Yeah

02:55:27.480 --> 02:55:30.040
I like the after dark part of the show always have

02:55:32.440 --> 02:55:36.280
Yeah, you do when we get to hear from our lovely subscribers

02:55:38.360 --> 02:55:40.760
Like jordan, thank you for the sexy merch pookies

02:55:43.000 --> 02:55:45.000
Thanks jordan

02:55:47.960 --> 02:55:52.920
My god, I know you don't get to hide you don't get to hide your camera if you're gonna do that

02:55:53.000 --> 02:55:55.720
I've got a message here from fred. Oh, no

02:55:56.200 --> 02:55:58.200
Happy birthday late. You're oldie

02:55:59.720 --> 02:56:07.320
You're right. What ow what come on get rekt. What the heck fred and get rekt anonymous says nice shafts

02:56:08.360 --> 02:56:13.400
This is what you curated today. Forget it. You're going away again. It's somebody curated. These are not mine

02:56:14.040 --> 02:56:19.880
luke I didn't do it. Okay. Maybe they were accidents one of them was on purpose

02:56:20.200 --> 02:56:23.400
The nice shafts absolutely, but would have been an accident. Yeah

02:56:24.920 --> 02:56:28.360
I would have I would have responded in kind to our

02:56:29.000 --> 02:56:33.000
lovely store participants. I feel like we need to have like track on who did it

02:56:33.000 --> 02:56:40.360
I I I would actually be kind of sick. I wonder if there was a sneaky a sneaky developer in the uh in the dashboard

02:56:40.520 --> 02:56:44.680
That thought it would be funny. Uh, yeah, I mean if I notice something like that, I'll pull them

02:56:45.000 --> 02:56:49.720
I'll pull that I'll pull back the shaft If that happens

02:56:49.880 --> 02:56:52.360
Okay, let's do it. I think it's funny

02:56:53.800 --> 02:57:01.400
Let me do my real job now Linus luke and Dan what do you see as some of the big challenges ldd and Floatplane in the next two years?

02:57:01.640 --> 02:57:03.640
What are some things you're excited about?

02:57:05.640 --> 02:57:10.440
TV apps Okay

02:57:11.480 --> 02:57:19.480
Challenges for LTT I think I think I think we face the same sort of macro challenges that the entire

02:57:19.480 --> 02:57:21.960
rest of the tech media industry does

02:57:22.520 --> 02:57:27.960
I think that a slowing pace of consumer hardware development is

02:57:28.840 --> 02:57:31.720
Uh, very challenging and that's not to say that

02:57:32.520 --> 02:57:40.360
You know the the scientists and engineers that work at these companies are not doing really incredible work and um

02:57:41.000 --> 02:57:46.680
You know creating innovative new Technologies, I think it's just to say that for in a lot of categories

02:57:47.240 --> 02:57:54.440
We've sort of reached a plateau where most people mostly don't care or can't tell the difference. Um

02:57:55.480 --> 02:57:59.160
Like tv is I think a great example of this we

02:58:00.600 --> 02:58:06.520
Like I was shopping for tv's recently If you've been if you've been watching the latest uh scrapyard war series

02:58:06.920 --> 02:58:11.080
You'll know that I was at like uh like an open box tv retailer

02:58:11.560 --> 02:58:17.400
And as much as I love a nice tv and I have really nice tv's in my home

02:58:19.000 --> 02:58:22.520
I was comparing like a very a very basic

02:58:23.240 --> 02:58:26.920
You know 70 like you can get a gigantic 75 inch tv

02:58:27.000 --> 02:58:33.320
I found a deal and this is not a major spoiler because it's just a thing that I saw in the store

02:58:33.800 --> 02:58:36.840
I I found a 75 inch tv for

02:58:36.920 --> 02:58:40.600
550 canadian dollars and it came with a free soundbar

02:58:42.440 --> 02:58:46.200
So for context for my american friends out there

02:58:46.680 --> 02:58:55.000
That's about 380 us or like 370 us or something like that and comes with a free soundbar

02:58:55.080 --> 02:58:58.920
That was like a hundred plus dollar value canadian or something like that. So we're talking like

02:58:59.640 --> 02:59:04.760
A few hundred dollars for a 75 inch tv

02:59:05.320 --> 02:59:08.760
And so I'm looking at that and I'm just kind of going well

02:59:10.120 --> 02:59:16.680
My goodness, um How much more how much better does something have to look

02:59:17.400 --> 02:59:20.280
For me to spend three thousand dollars on it now

02:59:21.320 --> 02:59:25.880
A freaking lot So we've we've reached this end

02:59:26.120 --> 02:59:29.960
And it looks not bad Like it didn't have great HDR

02:59:30.040 --> 02:59:34.520
But a lot of people either don't understand or can't see the difference

02:59:35.480 --> 02:59:41.960
Which is like valid you can It's like when a car person comes up to you and they're like man, what do you think of these new rims?

02:59:42.040 --> 02:59:45.560
And you're just like, I don't know. They're made of metal. I guess right but is that good

02:59:46.200 --> 02:59:50.040
Right like for their bbs for a lot of people right for a lot of people

02:59:50.600 --> 02:59:55.320
They you know, it's HDR. It has more color gamut. It means it means nothing to them. They don't care. They're just they're

02:59:56.040 --> 03:00:00.280
They're watching fox news or cnbc. They don't it doesn't matter, right?

03:00:01.000 --> 03:00:08.680
um And so we've reached this point where where these new developments like I saw I saw news article on

03:00:09.080 --> 03:00:13.240
LG apparently has a prototype OLED tv that uses tandem OLED

03:00:13.640 --> 03:00:18.200
so that's the the same tech that apple's using on their latest ipads and

03:00:19.000 --> 03:00:26.840
Uses two stacked OLED layers to achieve much much greater brightness while maintaining inky blacks like that blows my mind

03:00:26.840 --> 03:00:31.240
Apparently it can achieve four thousand nits on this. I think it was an 83 inch display

03:00:31.320 --> 03:00:33.320
And I'm sitting here going like man, that's so cool

03:00:35.720 --> 03:00:42.920
But it's cool past a point that I think most people will necessarily really care about

03:00:43.480 --> 03:00:49.160
which is um a big challenge coming back to your question for tech media

03:00:49.640 --> 03:00:55.880
Because I think the pool as as the mainstream good enough cheapo commodity tech

03:00:56.840 --> 03:01:02.600
Reaches a point of being good enough for more and more and more and more and more people. I think the

03:01:03.480 --> 03:01:09.720
Share of enthusiasts who care about every pixel and who care about every megahertz is going to be reduced

03:01:10.280 --> 03:01:17.320
um The refresh cycles on these things are also getting more and more difficult to keep up with annually. I mean NVIDIA used to be

03:01:18.120 --> 03:01:24.120
Yearly apple has been yearly on a lot of their products. They're still yearly on the iphone, but I don't know if that'll last forever

03:01:24.760 --> 03:01:32.760
um Like they're certainly not yearly on a lot of the mac products that they just outright don't bother to refresh once they have a new generation of silicon

03:01:34.200 --> 03:01:41.000
And so there's there's kind of less to talk about. I think that the economic conditions right now globally

03:01:41.640 --> 03:01:51.960
um Are Challenging affecting people's discretionary spending and I don't foresee and I'm not an economist, but I don't foresee

03:01:52.920 --> 03:01:56.200
um with taxation both in the form of

03:01:57.000 --> 03:01:59.800
um regular taxation and but also

03:02:00.360 --> 03:02:04.680
Import taxation going up. I don't foresee that changing anytime soon

03:02:05.160 --> 03:02:08.920
Generative ai for all of its uselessness and hallucination has

03:02:09.480 --> 03:02:14.040
Disrupted the job market already. Yeah, it is disrupting people's livelihoods

03:02:14.520 --> 03:02:17.080
Which right now we've been saying from the start

03:02:17.640 --> 03:02:20.120
Like the companies that are really going to kill it

03:02:20.920 --> 03:02:30.360
In my opinion and I still think this is true Are companies that find ways to use ai to accelerate the people that they have and use that to grow and bring in more

03:02:31.080 --> 03:02:37.720
Not companies that use it to just shrink their workforce But stock price go up when fire person

03:02:38.280 --> 03:02:43.720
So people are just doing it anyways and I anyways it's it's it's frustrating because

03:02:44.280 --> 03:02:50.280
There are effective ways For many people I'm not going to say everyone but for many people to

03:02:50.840 --> 03:02:55.960
Use it to genuinely help them in good ways. There's also a ton of ways to use it improperly

03:02:56.360 --> 03:03:00.360
um, but a lot of people are are scared to let it affect

03:03:01.320 --> 03:03:06.760
Their productivity in a positive way Because they don't want to contribute towards losing their own jobs

03:03:06.840 --> 03:03:15.160
And that's just bad employers in my opinion And it's it's frustrating that there's like any of them at all really. Yeah. Anyways. Sorry. Just minor aside

03:03:15.400 --> 03:03:20.120
And generative ai is going to threaten our business from other vectors as well

03:03:20.280 --> 03:03:24.280
I mean, you know, we talked about we talked earlier about how the anantak

03:03:25.000 --> 03:03:29.400
article archive went offline and one of our speculated reasons for it is that

03:03:30.040 --> 03:03:35.320
Uh future plc who owns anantak and tom's hardware launched a new feature

03:03:35.800 --> 03:03:40.520
Allowing you to compare uh products across uh brands across generations

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And it's paywald um

03:03:44.520 --> 03:03:51.880
so Our theory is that maybe they wanted to instead of making all of that archival data and information available for free

03:03:52.440 --> 03:03:56.760
Move it behind the paywall where it can be sustainable for the future

03:03:57.480 --> 03:04:02.680
plc um And also to keep it away from the prying eyes of

03:04:03.320 --> 03:04:10.120
Ai web crawlers that are going to scrape all this data and then just like sharded out into a search result or into a chat bot

03:04:10.520 --> 03:04:18.840
That doesn't compensate the real actual people who really actually picked up GPU's and put them into benches and and tested things

03:04:19.400 --> 03:04:22.600
Um allowing them to keep their jobs. So that that's a threat

03:04:23.160 --> 03:04:26.600
That's a threat towards us as well like if LTT Labs can be scraped

03:04:27.000 --> 03:04:31.720
And can just you know, you can search up anything about of course their power supply and it'll just

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Use our video as a source but not compensate us in any way. That's going to be a real challenge for us, right?

03:04:38.120 --> 03:04:44.120
We're still very committed to doing it, but you know, I would be lying if I didn't say that, you know

03:04:44.200 --> 03:04:47.640
Building out something like the lab has impacted our profitability

03:04:48.360 --> 03:04:52.440
absolutely has I mean doing anything

03:04:52.440 --> 03:04:59.320
By hand with humans building our content the way that we continue to do it has impacted our profitability over the years

03:04:59.400 --> 03:05:05.160
So those things are not slowing down. Yeah, those things are going to continue to be challenges

03:05:05.560 --> 03:05:15.880
Um It's not all doom and gloom. I think our team is more locked in than it's been in probably a couple of years actually and

03:05:17.240 --> 03:05:21.560
I don't think I'm the only one who's seeing that I've had some good conversations with people

03:05:22.280 --> 03:05:27.000
We have some we have some new hire starting in the next little bit that I'm very excited about on the writing side

03:05:27.400 --> 03:05:32.120
I'm really excited about the direction the lab is going under luke's leadership. Um, thank you

03:05:32.600 --> 03:05:36.600
I Yeah, I think we're I think we're firing on more cylinders

03:05:36.680 --> 03:05:42.440
I am I am hopeful that while we might not, you know, be back to a cadence of six uploads a week

03:05:42.440 --> 03:05:47.800
I'm hopeful we can get to a more regular upload schedule again relatively soon. I think that's something that would be

03:05:49.080 --> 03:05:53.560
Good for our viewers and also good for our company's ongoing viability

03:05:54.840 --> 03:05:58.840
um Yeah, the future's looking up, but

03:05:59.800 --> 03:06:06.360
That doesn't mean that we can ignore the headwinds that are coming our way and coming everyone's way realistically

03:06:11.080 --> 03:06:18.120
Hey lld just got my ally battery upgraded after your video for the just sacks upgrade kit j. So I think j. So

03:06:18.360 --> 03:06:25.240
Upgrade kit and loving it Linus. Would you consider any further modifications to your ally in the future? Maybe RAM? Thanks

03:06:25.480 --> 03:06:31.160
I don't think I need more RAM. I've never run into a game on my ally. I mean, I mostly just play tape to tape

03:06:31.640 --> 03:06:33.880
I don't have over 300 hours in tape to tape now

03:06:35.000 --> 03:06:37.400
It's amazing how quickly they add up when like

03:06:38.200 --> 03:06:41.400
My wind down before bed is to lie in bed and play a run

03:06:42.360 --> 03:06:45.960
Maybe there's a decent amount of idle time too. Oh, there's a ton of idle time loaded up

03:06:46.040 --> 03:06:49.320
Yeah, tape to tape actually take the tape actually logs your on ice time

03:06:49.880 --> 03:06:54.360
So I think I'm at like 170 hours or something. Yeah, it makes a bit more sense. That's still a lot

03:06:55.800 --> 03:06:58.600
So that's the game. I primarily play on my ally

03:06:59.480 --> 03:07:03.960
Uh, I don't need more RAM for it, but definitely enjoying the battery life upgrade

03:07:04.040 --> 03:07:08.200
It's just like we saw when ASUS went from the ally one to the ally two

03:07:09.400 --> 03:07:14.520
For some reason the battery life benefit is more than just the like watt hours

03:07:15.720 --> 03:07:21.880
increase I don't I don't I Someone's gonna have to math that for me because I don't I don't quite get it, but I'm into it

03:07:22.600 --> 03:07:27.320
So I've been enjoying the absolute heck out of it. I would love to have a bigger SSD in it

03:07:27.400 --> 03:07:29.960
I'd love to just have you know entire libraries of

03:07:30.680 --> 03:07:35.560
Linux ISO older older more pixelated Linux isos that are just kind of

03:07:36.200 --> 03:07:46.200
On tap, but beyond that No, I I love it. It's been very very good to me and I am excited for the xbox one, but

03:07:47.160 --> 03:07:54.600
I don't know. I might be more excited for Potentially a steam deck too. I need it to be I needed to be competitive on GPU power though

03:07:55.000 --> 03:07:57.720
Like the steam deck was kind of it fell behind really fast

03:07:58.280 --> 03:08:02.520
And you know me I I like cutting edge performance. I and on handheld

03:08:03.320 --> 03:08:10.680
every 10 percent Is is noticeable when you're at 32 FPS the jump to 35

03:08:11.640 --> 03:08:19.560
It's like I want that here's here's another spicy one to add in on the whole Windows Linux thing. Yeah, this is why I haven't

03:08:20.760 --> 03:08:25.240
This is a major reason why I haven't bought a gaming handheld is because like I kind of

03:08:27.160 --> 03:08:29.160
Didn't really get in on steam deck early enough

03:08:30.760 --> 03:08:36.120
Feels like I'm kind of in steam deck 2 waiting room. Yeah, okay, and I'm looking at the taking a minute to

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Yeah, and that's fine. I'm all good. Yeah, um, but I'm looking at the alternatives

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And the the big push right now is Windows based alternatives, and I'm like, yeah, I want to support the the Linux push

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I just if I'm gonna be voting with my wallet right like I'm tired of of the

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Garbage that has been shoveled into my face from Windows from so for so long

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I'm pissed that there's no alternative I'm pissed that there isn't like a Windows premium where I don't get

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Trashed on with ads and other stuff like that. I'm pissed that I can't get away from certain telemetry things without

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Registry jumping and and whatnot And then having to redo that because Windows update just decides to like

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Change things or whatever So it's I'm trying to get out

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So I'm not going to financially back a thing That I'm trying to get out of so I'll wait for steam deck 2

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That's fair is what it is. All right. Hit me Dan Hi

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LDL instead of glazed ai interactions causing users to expect other people to act like their chat bots do

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Doesn't it also seem likely that these users will also start to act like their chat bots?

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No, I don't think so. I think being glazed is not necessarily going to make you become a glazer

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No, I honestly think it'll largely do the opposite effect Especially when you don't glaze back and it keeps glazing you yeah, like let's let's think about sort of

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Like a like a parallel like I often talk about how I think that

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Like influencers and famous people are sort of uniquely vulnerable to

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Giving into narcissistic tendencies because I think that anyone would

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Would struggle To stay grounded when they're surrounded by hundreds thousands or millions of people that are telling them how incredible they are all day every day

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Well, tell riddle me this These professional being glazators

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Are they generally known For being like the super most amenable people in the world like as a group

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I'm not saying there aren't nice celebrities the opposite you used to getting catered to yeah, and I'm sure you you you know

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You let it slip here or there And you don't communicate with the AI nicely and you notice that it keeps glazing you so there's no there's no incentive

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There's no reward loop. Yeah, there's no penalty a non-jerk

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Yeah This interface is broken in a way that I'm not really sure how to deal with

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So I clicked this it asks me really and then I can't interact with it

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Weird

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Um, I haven't had any of those problems. Let me go look cool. Do you want another one while we wait? Yeah, hit me

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Hey, wan.dll with Everything being so software and driver focused. Do you think there will become micro transactions or dlc for graphics cards?

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Oh, man, we didn't talk about it because I just had had enough bad news last week, but you saw that um

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Who was it was it volkswagen is adding like a pay for a subscription for more performance to their car or whatever it was

03:12:00.680 --> 03:12:03.000
You don't click on the really you just click on the button again

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Oh, not the most intuitive neat

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Okay, uh vw Performance subscription. I think it was yeah, that's brand new right? I think that was yeah

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vw introduces monthly subscription to increase car power eight days ago

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I just I had enough talking about bad news last week. So I just

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Didn't feel like it. Yeah, but here it is The optional power upgrade will cost 1650 a month or 165 pounds annually with that said

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This also made me far less upset

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It is not outlandish Hold on. Hold on. I'm gonna defend this. It is not outlandish

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To charge more for a higher performance model and in this case

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I know the exact same hardware is in there, but you could make the argument that there might be

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A higher likelihood of long-term damage to the vehicle if it is somehow being pushed harder and there could be some cost there

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I don't know that they've actually done the math You know correctly

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I'm sure there's margin in it But as long as there's a lifetime subscription

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I will be far less upset about a month or as long as there's a lifetime purchase option

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I'll be far less upset about a subscription being offered. Stakeboy and footprint chat brought up an amazing comparable

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Yes, what if this was a driver for a graphics card?

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As long as there is a lifetime subscription

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So now you have to buy your graphics card and pay for a subscription to the drivers

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To get it to be slightly faster To be clear, you can still drive with all I'm not saying I'm okay with it. I'm saying I'm a lot

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More okay with it. If there is a lifetime purchase option

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I'll give you an example in the hardware world that's very much like this lifetime purchase problem with the product

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It's just you bought the car So quadro is literally a g-force card

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That has a lifetime subscription in this case that costs a lot of money

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to drivers that are certified and

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To the expectation that it is going to be driven harder

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Because it's going to be used hour in hour out day after day in a professional environment

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I care a lot less when it's professional product though. We're not talking about professional products

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And that's and that's fair enough and that's fair enough. I'm just saying that the parallel not saying not not trying to insult the

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Clearly very professional car. Yeah. Yeah, I just mean I just mean we already have

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Very clear parallels in the hardware industry. This thing's gonna be in the user space

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Okay, fair enough. I'm just saying it's it's a thing that exists and that I have I have been upset about

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Like I have been upset about the exact same bloody a bunch of times the exact same silicon

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Right being locked down in this way. I find it. I find it very frustrating

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But I also do recognize that in the case of quadro or in the case of this

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There could be Additional costs. So let me here. Let me put it this way

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LTT screwdriver, right? If there was a professional version of this that included

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I don't know. Let's say Once every two years you can mail it to us and we'll like

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disassemble it and lube it and Polish it for free or something like if there's some kind of additional work

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Of some sort that we're doing So what I'm saying is I don't know the math

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I don't know the math on how many more failures they'll have for pushing it that much harder

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But there may be some math there And I they're ensuring it

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I would assume it is covered under warranty to have it at this higher performance level

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How long is your warranty though? Not that far on most cars. Yeah, so

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I look I'm not saying it's great. I'm not saying I love it. I'm saying as long as there is a lifetime option

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Let's make the car cost a thousand dollars more Well, sure, but that's exactly what they did. They made it cost 649 pounds more and I think from a percentage

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standpoint like if it's a hundred thousand dollar car and they're charging me six hundred and fifty dollars

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I'm going to be like, why are you nickel and diming me? If it's a thousand dollar car and they're charging me six hundred and fifty bucks

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That percentage point makes it more understandable. I think I'm just viewing it

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The same thing in the same way, but with a different lens if that kind of makes sense

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Where like the fact that the monthly one exists is what bothers me

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I understand that it makes it more okay. Like you see what I mean

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Makes it more okay to you that the lifetime exists for me. It makes it less. Okay that the monthly exists

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It's kind of the same thing. I don't like either of them. It's glass half full glass

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you know I mean Walker here says it's not uncommon to pay for tuning a vehicle that increases the horsepower without any hardware change

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Yeah, it's just a one time cost and so is this

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Well Unless you buy the subscription. I just don't like that the subscription exists

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I don't like that the subscription exists either, but if people choose a subscription when they have a lifetime option

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They have to own at least some of the responsibility for the

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Vastly larger amount of money. They will pay over the lifetime. They own this purchase

03:17:25.320 --> 03:17:30.200
Okay, what about NVIDIA? One cent per month per CUDA core

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Again, I don't I don't love it. I don't want it

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You're gonna have to you're gonna have to graphics cards super subsidized if NVIDIA. Okay, so here

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You know what? Let's draw a consumer parallel that I actually would be okay with

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Oh, no If NVIDIA gave me another 200 watts on the 5090 full warranty

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Everything's covered and they were like, yeah, it's another

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You know, okay. So what's this in the context of a vehicle? So they're charging $600. Let's say what this is a $30,000 vehicle

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Something like that 50 maybe 60. You think it's that much? I don't know. It's just a second. I don't know what cars cost

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Oh my god, it's the ID. It's the ID 3 limit limit breaker subscription

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Yeah, and it's effectively just a warranty Effectively just an overclocking warranty

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If they let you do it

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Without that, but you lost your warranty. Yeah, I think I'd be more cool with it

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That was pounds, right? Yeah, there's 40,000 pounds 40,000 pounds

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Because that's literally just a warranty at that point call it 50,000. So we're talking in this case about 1.5 percent

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Of the cost so if NVIDIA said, okay on your $2,000 GPU

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It's 20. It's 30 bucks And you can have another a month

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No, no, no, total lifetime lifetime. It's 30 bucks and you can have another 100 watts or 200 watts or you know, whatever

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If you could if you could do it anyways, I mean didn't have a warranty. I'm slamming that button

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I'm doing that this totally this totally even exists people buy this all the time. This is the oc variant. Oh, yeah

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Yeah, this is the oc variant that's well cars no power limit cars have trim levels

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Well, so see the car trim levels though, that's a tough one. Well, no, they're they're doing what the graphics cards do

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You can get the oc car or you can get the normal car. They're just doing that in the same car

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I think we're going I think we're going too far with this because we're just we're now just describing

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a An extended warranty. Well, sort of it's not a it's not a warning levels. It's a yeah, it's a different tier of product

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And I've made the argument since forever that you should never buy the oc

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lesser card When the not oc better card is now so close in price

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But I mean the difference between a 5080 and a 5090 is now a thousand dollars

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So if oc 5080 could make sense and in the case of the 5090 there is nothing higher

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So if you want any more If they were to come to me and say yeah, it's an extra 30 bucks or 50 bucks for the oc variant that runs a little faster

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We binded a little better. We made sure it's going to work and we're going to cover that

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I don't see that as an extended warranty. I see that as a ever so slightly

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Faster product. The reason why I'm saying extended warranty is because if you could just do it yourself

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Yeah, and that's what happens when they're the same product like you can take a car and put a beggar engine in it

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But the manufacturer also produces that same model of car that has the bigger engine in it already

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But this vw is just both of those cars in one car

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Like it's a 5080 and a 5090 in a single card and then you just pay the extra thousand dollars

03:20:48.920 --> 03:20:54.040
And now it's a 5090 instead of a 5080. Yeah in this case the difference in performance is pretty small though

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So I feel a lot less like they're totally sandbagging me

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Of course Like like they could have just afforded to give me, you know a car that performs twice as good. Well, this sucks

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It's not a different car. Um, yeah, but this is just the same car. It's just slightly more tuneder

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And I think yeah, I I hope i'm not just going to completely end up cancelled over this again because ham netx says

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Linus's point about accelerated wear profiles is a decent one when something is worked harder

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There could be additional wear And the reason that I went to that first is because we were talking specifically about batteries and electric motors and EV

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Right, that is so important. Your argument makes complete sense. And it's totally fair and totally fine. The problem is it will

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immediately be abused Well immediately and unquestionably

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It's it's the the future problem Because now you you pull back more and pull back more and pull back more and pay while more and pay while more and pay

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While more like heated seats. It's not the the like base concept is fine

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I guess that you're describing. It's it's the what will companies do it? I feel better about this than the bmw heated seats personally

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Yeah, you know what I think I do too Because the heated seats that's literally in there

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Like it's It's literally so inexpensive for you to implement it that you can literally put it in every single vehicle that rolls down the line

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And becomes cheaper because you do that. Yes, let's skew

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um But even then it's the same cost blending, right? So the people who pay for it are subsidizing the people who don't pay for it

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To put it into every vehicle Um, I still I still don't like it

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I can still not like it in this case. I actually yeah, I agree with you Dan

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I don't mind this as much as the heated seat activation

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No, I think one percent feels bad if it was 25 percent

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Like if the 58 to 50 90 upgrade was a thousand dollars and the card was 500 bucks

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that feels more Okay, in a way

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This feels nickel and dime, but I know what you're talking about especially on an electric. So yeah

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Sox, it feels like welcome to current year. Yeah, it's bad. It's it's not good for the world

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The first step is not that bad. So you don't look at it that closely Slippy slope. Yeah, bazaar says with your experience with team viewer

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I'd think you would trust lifetime subs less especially in this corporate environment. You are a hundred percent, right?

03:23:16.840 --> 03:23:22.440
In this case though, um, they would have to actively brick it whereas team viewer's service

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Runs through their servers. I don't see any reason why my additional horsepower

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Would have to do an authentication check every time I turn on the car until it does that were the case

03:23:33.000 --> 03:23:39.960
Well, then that's where luke slippery slope argument, which as you know fallacious as a fallow seat or whatever as as invalid

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As a slippery slope argument might be

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So, you know At a certain point we've seen it happen enough times that we kind of have to go. Okay slippery slopes are valid

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And then slippery slopes are absolutely when you when you sell the car it doesn't transfer

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So the new person also has to buy it. Is that true for this one? No, I'm just I'm just giving them ideas

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But that is absolutely something they would do. I find slippery slopes to be

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Completely valid in these types of conversations right less valid when it comes to a specific

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Like and in between two individuals that know each other type situation sure

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Because at that point in time you can be like you can trust me to not slippery slope this and that's a valid argument

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So then you can counter but in these types of situations. It's like the company's massive

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Entire reason to exist incentive is to slippery slope this

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It's like you should almost trust them to do so more than more than anything else

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So crystal points out this is also the same hardware just like the heated seats, but it's the wear profile

03:24:39.800 --> 03:24:45.720
Yeah, that's the difference. Yeah, you know, they validated that validation is not a joke

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Right, they validated it at a certain performance level now. They validated it at another performance level

03:24:52.680 --> 03:24:59.400
There may be a maintenance or wear cost there. It's harder on the batteries. It's harder on the batteries. It's harder on the motors

03:24:59.480 --> 03:25:09.480
Uh, okay, uh, want to hit me? Hello, bad cholesterol. LDL. What punishment are you three willing to commit to for the first person to break the

03:25:09.480 --> 03:25:15.400
WAN streak? Love the content. Shave Luke's head, please. Yes. I also say we shave Luke's head if anybody misses

03:25:17.400 --> 03:25:25.160
That's a great suggestion. I appreciate that. I seconded actually. Yeah, there we go. All right settled moving on. That's ridiculous

03:25:26.120 --> 03:25:31.720
Oh my goodness What are we willing to commit? I mean, it's not going to be me. So I don't care

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Yeah, honestly, we needed nothing to be insanely diehard about this already

03:25:38.920 --> 03:25:46.360
We may have actually had this conversation before Maybe it's been so long. We forgot. I think there may be a consequence

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I think I just I think we might just not remember what it is. Do any viewers remember?

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I still like that. We have to shave Luke's head, but none of us are going to be the one who is going to allow that to happen

03:25:56.280 --> 03:26:01.480
Oh, yeah The pride of not losing is worth more than me shaving my head. Oh, yeah, absolutely

03:26:01.720 --> 03:26:05.480
100% I don't want you to have to shave your head. That'd be fine

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Dunked again. I thought I was going to be bald my like whole life into my 20s

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And then I finally realized that this is not how that works Floating chat doesn't recall any punishments. Maybe I'm just imagining it

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I mean, that's possible. I think we might have had the conversation, but maybe it never turned into anything

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Loser has to do when show in full blue man group makeup. I mean, we would just do that. Anyway, that'd be hilarious. Yeah, that sounds fun. It's more of a

03:26:33.960 --> 03:26:35.960
The pride thing, um

03:26:37.400 --> 03:26:40.280
Yvonne would actually kill me if I shaved my head

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Oh, it's Luke's head Right

03:26:44.200 --> 03:26:49.320
Okay Okay, so if anyone breaks the streak we shave Luke's head

03:26:50.760 --> 03:26:52.760
Okay, all in favor

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I'm I'm actually completely okay with that being mine, but I feel like

03:27:08.120 --> 03:27:14.920
We'll talk about it another time. We'll figure something out You know, it doesn't make sense that if Linus doesn't show up that I have to shave my head

03:27:15.080 --> 03:27:19.000
I mean, yeah, but that makes sense to me and apparently you I mean you raised your hand

03:27:19.720 --> 03:27:25.160
No All right. Hit me. Hit me down. You should take Luke's 2.5 pound weights

03:27:27.560 --> 03:27:30.760
That would be more annoying for for little man than me at this point

03:27:31.240 --> 03:27:38.440
Hello from the east coast question for Luke and also Linus in parenthesis as the infra team grows

03:27:38.920 --> 03:27:45.960
Are there any plans for it admin focused content a day in the life of your infor team network deep rives, etc

03:27:47.400 --> 03:27:50.360
Probably not. Cool. Good chat boring

03:27:50.840 --> 03:27:57.000
Yeah, hey six foot two six foot one and allegedly 5.6. I actually go by five foot 14

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Uh, are there any examples of products with really anti-consumer behavior that you would refuse to review on?

03:28:04.440 --> 03:28:08.600
For example action cams requiring mobile apps to initialize

03:28:08.840 --> 03:28:13.320
No, I mean, I think our job is to is to call these things out is to

03:28:14.200 --> 03:28:21.720
shine a light on On a on a bad practice or a bad product. I think refusing to review it is

03:28:22.440 --> 03:28:28.860
in a way Even passively contributing to the problem. It's like when people with ethics and integrity

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resign their post When they're asked to do something

03:28:34.120 --> 03:28:36.120
by a superior and then

03:28:37.320 --> 03:28:42.600
Yeah, they just put someone in who would happily do it. Yeah, so they keep their ethics and they keep their integrity

03:28:43.240 --> 03:28:47.560
Um, but by resigning they clear the way for someone to

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Just do it anyway. We haven't actually accomplished anything here

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I think in the past when as a society it felt like we had some shame

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Um, I definitely admired that more because it would bring more of a spotlight to it

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And then it was news where change is initialized and that person who asked for the thing might get removed

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But that doesn't seem to be the case anymore in modern year. So, um, so it seems like there needs to be a new meta

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And my my meta is definitely if if something's interesting enough to make a video

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I don't care how anti-consumer it is. Let's make a video about it and talk about how much they suck

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Hey l l and d have you heard about the final fantasy 14 drama this week?

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Square enix issued a cease and desist over an add-on that let players share custom character mods

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Do you think this ties into payment processor censorship? I mean

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Uh, uh, we're the custom character mods

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Quite x-rated. Is that what we're talking about? I didn't think that it was a problem until you mentioned the payment processors

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And now I'm concerned again. I don't think that's related to it add-ons weren't allowed in final fantasy 14 already as far as I understand

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he goes And customer customer character custom character models could be

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perceived as cheating on the accounts Um, I can't find anything about triple x character mods. I don't think you're allowed any add-ons in that game. So

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Yeah Couple more. Hey, l l d does Linus have any updates from the smart door lock he recently installed

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Is there a smart home device or feature that you wish existed but is not currently available? Thanks

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I mean, it basically anything is currently available if you're willing to pay for like a professional installer to come in

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Do some wizardry for you like

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I think it's one of uh, yeah, it's one of Yvonne's old high school friends husband's friend

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Who it does like installs for these like crazy homes and like shawnessy and stuff like that

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And he was telling me about this custom mount for this tv that would like go up into the ceiling and like hide itself

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So it can like come down and and be like just suspended in the middle of the living room so that the um

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So that the mom can like watch tv while she's cooking in the kitchen like across the

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Open concept thing. Anyway, you I think you can basically do anything. Um, as for the smart lock

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I'm really happy with it. I can give people codes one time use or timed

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They can access whatever I need them to whenever I need them to it locks on its own

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Which sometimes I'm a bit of a scatterbrain and I forget to you know do that. So that's really nice. So it's

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always locked And works perfectly and the charging solution is working perfectly

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I have wireless charging for my smart lock So there's just a little base station that sits on just a little like end table thing

03:31:45.640 --> 03:31:49.800
In the foyer and it just beams power wirelessly to my lock

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So I never have to change the battery in it ever again. So cool. Yeah, that's actually pretty sick pretty cool. Wow

03:31:57.800 --> 03:32:02.680
That's sweet because wiring those up can kind of suck. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So most people run a battery

03:32:03.800 --> 03:32:07.480
Hey, when I have a question for luke about the lab's website. I

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Notice it's really fast with a lot of cool web tech. Thank you. I was curious what framework you guys use

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They have done how difficult fire fox has been

03:32:17.720 --> 03:32:23.800
Hamnetics I made a video on that. It's on ShortCircuit They've done a wonderful job with with keeping it very performant

03:32:24.120 --> 03:32:29.160
Um, and I just got to get more people to go to it. Um, but I wanted to show off. I like this one

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I think there's a bunch of different ones. I haven't tried them all. This is not a like particular endorsement

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It's not financial advice. Yep. Other than that these tools are cool. You might find one that you prefer more

03:32:39.960 --> 03:32:44.360
It's very likely haven't even tried it. Uh, I started using this many years ago and it's been awesome ever since

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But it's called built with or built with com and you can just look up any website

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So I just I went to their home page just went out to do Labs

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dot com And then clicked look up and then you can look at basically all the stuff that we use so you can see our analytics

03:32:59.320 --> 03:33:03.960
we like plausible because it's Uh, friendlier to users in my opinion

03:33:04.440 --> 03:33:08.120
Uh, and in dancieville's opinion who is the one who suggested it for that reason

03:33:08.440 --> 03:33:14.040
Um, you can see that we have next j s which is probably more related to your question along with react

03:33:14.200 --> 03:33:20.520
Which is maybe even more related to your question along with versell, which is definitely likely definitely related to your question

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Um, but you can do this for any website and it will poke through and help you find different things about it

03:33:26.680 --> 03:33:31.800
It's a very fun thing to do Um to just see kind of like what are these guys doing? How did they build stuff?

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You know, I really don't think aws is going to catch on because the future is serverless

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I

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Sorry, that's my favorite joke

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Last one I've got for you today

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Hi l ld, uh, you guys talk about lifetime purchases. Would you ever consider doing a lifetime Floatplane subscription?

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The other thing we talk about Endlessly is sustainable business practices

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Unfortunately Floatplane is a service that has a very real

03:34:11.800 --> 03:34:16.440
Uh, very ongoing Monthly cost. Yeah

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So if we were to offer you a lifetime subscription, what we'd be offering you is a lie

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Because at some point unless we grow infinitely and infinite growth on a finite planet is unfortunately not possible

03:34:31.880 --> 03:34:34.520
Unless we grow infinitely at some point

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The pyramid will collapse and the new user recruitment will not cover the cost of continuing to support

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The legacy lifetime users and the whole thing falls down and we have to go back on our word

03:34:48.920 --> 03:34:53.640
So we want to just put ourselves in a position where we never have to go back on our word

03:34:54.120 --> 03:34:56.840
It's also like I don't know in my opinion

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Yes, I think there's an argument that could be made that full plane has full plane itself has well

03:35:04.280 --> 03:35:12.040
depends on the user Align us media group account on Floatplane has drm free downloads

03:35:12.840 --> 03:35:16.520
It's it's up to the creators if they want them or not. So I can't say for the whole platform

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You you could make an argument that that's your like

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legacy of the thing But in my opinion you you you're not I can't give you

03:35:28.440 --> 03:35:37.160
Full plane Right. Yeah, you can take the downloads, but if you buy a lifetime subscription and then eventually full plane dies

03:35:37.800 --> 03:35:43.320
Uh, you and I are 90 and we finally retire and full plane dies for whatever reason

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Um, and you can't access the website anymore

03:35:47.560 --> 03:35:49.560
What is your lifetime subscription for?

03:35:50.760 --> 03:35:55.400
Yeah If if I could if we happened if team viewer

03:35:56.120 --> 03:36:03.240
Just went away eventually But you could keep using it because you have your whatever thing and you know, it doesn't lifetime is real

03:36:03.320 --> 03:36:08.680
But lifetime is fine. Yeah Because okay, it stopped iterating at some point that kind of sucks sure whatever

03:36:08.920 --> 03:36:12.200
But you can still use the thing then lifetime is applicable in my opinion

03:36:12.440 --> 03:36:17.320
I can't just give you full plane forever. So therefore in my opinion is not really applicable

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Tim asks in full plane chat. Why not just make it like 1500 dollars? How does that not make sense?

03:36:24.520 --> 03:36:28.120
Because it doesn't make sense For you. Yeah

03:36:28.280 --> 03:36:35.320
I I I like to stack w's in in every transaction. I am looking for a way to

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Build a build a balanced I offer I receive sheet, right and you know from my point of view

03:36:45.240 --> 03:36:53.240
Um finding the correct number for Floatplane lifetime subscription is asking me to have a crystal ball

03:36:53.640 --> 03:36:58.600
I would have to know exactly how much value you're going to receive and I'm going to have to know exactly

03:36:59.480 --> 03:37:02.520
To a reasonable degree of accuracy how much it's going to cost me

03:37:03.080 --> 03:37:08.520
I can't know that so it's far better for me to just have a sustainable billing model that works for me

03:37:09.000 --> 03:37:14.760
And if it works for you, then that's great You can subscribe and if it's not working for you anymore, then you can not subscribe

03:37:14.920 --> 03:37:19.160
And if you want to throw money at us as much as this doesn't benefit like my department

03:37:19.480 --> 03:37:23.080
I don't think that's a good way to look at things personally um

03:37:23.080 --> 03:37:26.280
The the same reason why we have merch messages instead of using

03:37:26.840 --> 03:37:32.520
Other potential systems is because we're trying to give you more back for this exchange that's happening

03:37:32.600 --> 03:37:35.160
So go get something from the store. Yeah

03:37:35.720 --> 03:37:38.680
Pick up something on LTT Store or come to whale land

03:37:38.760 --> 03:37:41.800
If you really don't want anything if you must just give us money

03:37:41.880 --> 03:37:44.840
You can like buy a gift card and then just like never use it

03:37:45.080 --> 03:37:52.360
Yeah, technically that does sit on our books as like an outstanding liability or whatever because gift cards legally in canada can't expire

03:37:52.840 --> 03:37:57.480
Um, our gift cards on the store attached to your account. I don't remember. Is it actually a code? I don't know

03:37:57.720 --> 03:38:03.640
I don't remember. I don't remember The point is just like look that if you want to give us more money

03:38:03.640 --> 03:38:09.240
You absolutely can but we don't want to charge more for it. So you're gonna have to find your own creative way to do that

03:38:09.400 --> 03:38:17.160
Yeah, I wish there are Sure, you get our office is on google maps. You could show up and slip a hundo under the door

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I can't stop you

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My g-sting's ready

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And We will see you guys again next week same bad time same bad channel

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Bye. Whoa, you did it before I wait. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, the wave started the wave started. I'm allowing it

03:38:41.400 --> 03:38:44.360
All right, just touch and go though. Sorry. Oh my

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Oh trigger happy

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Wait