Yep, you're live, got him. Technically.
Yeah. Uno reverse.
All right.
Okay, Wansho. How is it that you were here at 430 and I was here at 440 and we're not going live till five.
Yeah, because we took a long time to pick the title.
Hmm.
That actually didn't take for a long to figure out. I was like, wait a minute.
Nope. KG4WNN nailed it.
Whoever has been waiting the longest needs to go leave their computer and go poop.
That will ensure the Wansho starts while they're away.
100% logical.
That is how it works. That's an interesting observation. Whoever is most inconvenienced by us finally starting,
that's who will start when they poo. So I have to go poo every time?
I mean. And the Wansho is going to start with me pooping every time.
So everyone watching Wansho will just know.
I mean, we had that. That I am currently defecating. We had that old animated intro where at the beginning you're like,
it kind of looked like you're pooping. I'm sucking quicksand.
And maybe the Wansho. You can't poop in the quicksand. You can.
What will sink faster in the quicksand?
Your face or your poop? It probably wouldn't struggle.
So probably you. So you'd catch up to it. So it's going to slowly.
You're going to. Just hope you're dead before you get there. That sucks.
Yeah. Just have this streak.
It's getting too much. And it's kind of probably like 6040.
Like which side of your crotch it'll go up.
So hopefully it goes up the back. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Wow. I'd only imagined back.
I hadn't really. And this assumes it's solid. Oh yeah.
What if you have like feared hyria?
I'm sure that's a thing for someone. It's got to be.
I wonder how much pressure you would need for it to get you out of the quicksand.
Um, how dare you go to bed, Zenth and Wolf? I forbid it.
Yeah, stay up. Yeah, stay up and watch now. Ruin your life. Yeah, it'll be totally a completely different experience watching it live.
Let's bully Zenth. Let's bully Zenth and Wolf together.
Help us bully. Watch live and be sleep deprived.
Thanks. Thanks, Jerusalem. Yeah, I knew I could count on you.
Why is everyone talking about poop now? Interesting. Send that to L2D store support, please.
What's this? He says, once he saw it, this doesn't really make any sense.
Oh, I thought no, no, no, no, no, I read it now. The username is interesting.
I thought you.
Yeah. Yep. That makes sense. I get it.
It's like nipple-less cage. Yep. Could mean anything.
No, I'm pretty sure that means a pretty specific thing.
It could mean anything. I think it means the greatest actor of our time with no nipples.
Unbearable weight of massive talent.
Unbearable weight of massive poop in quicksand.
Actually, I think that's a weight that I could bear. I think when the waiting was over, I'd be more upset about it.
By the way, these shirts are apparently for you guys to wear.
I need to talk to Jamie about how many of our shirts we're opening for wearing on camera right now,
though, maybe. I know. Here's the merch for Wancho, but I don't need one because.
You have like three of those. He literally put that next to the one that I already had that is the same one.
Oh, and you have multiple of them because they're all your size. Nope, these are different.
These are unrelated to those. Yeah, but both of those are your size. I know, but these aren't for Wancho.
Oh, why not? I don't know. I could show it, but it's not for Wancho.
Those are for Wancho. So that's yours.
No, I don't need it. It's the same one as the one I'm wearing right here.
What do you want to do with this? Because it shouldn't just stay there. It can stay there. Oh, it's not on camera.
Yeah, it's not. Yeah. Can catch.
Wow.
It was a perfect pass to someone.
That was a really annoying sound. Oh, it really is.
Nice.
What's up, B4ster?
Oh, I'm still wearing my mic.
Oh, yeah. What are we waiting? Are we waiting for anything or could we just go whenever?
Cool. That'd be cool.
What Chromebook shopping today?
Nice. Yeah. How'd that go? Ah, you know.
I mean, the best case scenario is you win a Chromebook.
So, you know. You win a Chromebook?
Well, no, like I just mean it costs hundreds of dollars to play
and oh, all you can possibly win is a Chromebook. So, it's not the greatest game.
Yeah.
Ah, Flippelin Chat froze for me already.
Hardly even. Yeah, it only happened in the pre-show for me last time.
If you can get an exact timestamp of when that happens, that would be useful.
Oh, are we like actually trying to fix it now? Yeah. Cool.
Oh, do I think Dan is a goober?
What kind of a thing to say is that? The Oakland team is pretty low staff, even more than normal at the moment,
because everyone's taking vacations because everyone delayed their vacations during the
push. So, not a ton of stuff is really happening right now, but that is something that we want
to look into. Cool.
Okay.
We ready?
Uh, yeah, sure.
Let's do it.
Oh, right. I have my, I have a working laptop this week, so I'm gonna, I'll have the dashboard open.
Oh, I cannot believe how crappily last week's win show performed.
The funny part is that it even, it was like low, but then it like
got worse.
Hey, analytics.
Okay. All right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna punch it.
Oh, are we already live on notable streaming service, Ptet?
We are actually always live on Ptet. What an adequate video service.
Resuming selected now.
What is up everyone and welcome to a fabulous win show where I gotta tell you, I don't know
whether I'm more angry or sad because the website that taught me so much of what I know
about PCs and computer hardware and electronics and just an invaluable repository of, of knowledge
of PCs and times past has gone dark.
Gone dark in a way that big time dark was big preventable dark.
And not that expensive to well, we'll talk about it.
We'll talk about it, but a non-text archives is gone.
It just redirects to the forum. That's it.
That's all she wrote folks in spite of their current owner Perch saying that that would,
oh no, it's future PLC now. Yes. Sorry, future PLC saying that wouldn't happen.
In other news, YouTube has responded to the criticism that Mr. Riley, who I might note,
never criticizes anything hardly. Okay. So this is a truly two exceptional things happen this week.
YouTube responded to our TechLinked criticism of the AI sharpening on YouTube shorts.
So we'll get into it more later, but the, the spoiler here is they claim it's not AI,
it's traditional machine learning.
Yeah, that's, that's what I said. What else we got this week?
Where are we drawing these lines? I will be addressing some, some controversial threads about Labs.
Oh, I thought I'd give them a little interesting, not have a controversy fun for one week.
I don't think it's going to be controversial. Why would you call them controversial?
No, they're going to be extremely controversial. Head of Labs, head of Labs, I'm going to be sticking my, uh, falsely advertises flag in
the ground, his flaccid ass non-controversy as controversial.
Oh, it's going to be super serious. You got to stay tuned to check it out.
Head of lies.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's sorry, whatever. Anyways, and Intel grabs $2 billion for a lifeline.
Yeah, they grabbed it by the, whoa.
Whoa.
Wait, did I not eat that?
Did you not? The show is brought to you today by ground news, MSI and Vessie.
Also with our rap partner, D brand, our laptop partner, Dell, and of course,
our chair partner, secret Labs.
Why don't we jump right into our headline topic today,
which is of course that a non-tax article archive has been taken down.
I know, I know this happened a couple of weeks ago,
but I just found out this week I was reviewing a script with, uh, I think it was Plouffe
and Nick from the lab, a really cool video we've got coming soon.
By the way, guys, we finally got our hands on an NVIDIA H200.
So sure, yeah, it's their last gen one or whatever, but it's a $30,000 GPU.
And we ran some machine learning and AI benchmarks and it fast.
It very fast. It's like, it's so fast, I almost look at it and I go, wow, it fast.
Wow, damn. My friends called me and they were like, that's a, that's really fast.
Damn girl.
You real fast at making slop.
Nobody slops harder than you slop.
I mean, but I mean it in a, in a kind way, a respectful way.
You could, you could, you could mean that. You a sloppy girl.
You a kiss.
We're already so gone.
We're like barely, barely into any topics and we are so gone.
Well, folks, it's been nice knowing you.
Sayonara from Canada. Oh boy.
Okay. So yeah, our sources read it.
Well, actually our source is me because I discovered this live.
I was trying to find out, shoot, I forget what I was.
I think I was trying to find out sort of, ah, yes, I remember now because I seemed to recall
that the first GPU that implemented HBM memory was the Radeon R600.
That ended up not being true. The R600 did have a notable memory configuration.
It used a ring bus and a 512 bit or it might even, might even been more than that.
I forget, but it had some kind of fancy memory interface. It wasn't HBM.
And so we were, we were talking about some, something to do with the HBM memory that's
on that H200 GPU. See, I came brought it all the way back.
Yeah, he got it. Boom. And, and I was like, oh yeah. Well, hold on a second.
I thought HBM had like a reputation for, was it for being really efficient?
Or was it for being really inefficient? I couldn't remember which one. So I was, I was trying to find a non-tex article on the, the Radeon R600 or the R600 GPU.
I forget what the actual like name of the card was. Was it the 2020, something?
I can't remember. Doesn't matter. The point is R600 was the code name and I clicked through.
2900. Yeah, that's probably it. Yeah, that's the one. Wait, 2900 XT is that, no, is that Hawaii?
It's not even an AR review to snip it. Yeah, no, that's the one.
Yeah. So I clicked through the article and it went to the non-tex forum.
Not like the forum thread discussing the article or anything like that.
Like that was a thing, but no, not that. Just, just to the forum. I was like, oh, what the heck?
That's weird. Anyway, that we found a second source on, on that page of results and I was like, oh, okay.
No, that card did not have HBM. It was actually the R9 Fury that was the first card to have HBM.
And I was like, okay, so, so I searched like R9 Fury efficiency because I,
so what happened was in my brain, I had, oh yeah, there were efficient,
there was an efficiency conversation around HBM, but it turns out the efficiency conversation went both ways.
So the card overall was not terribly efficient,
but the HBM itself was known for being efficient.
And that was the little piece that I needed. And I was able to continue my script,
or at least I would have been able to if I wasn't busy grieving.
Because when I was looking for information on the R9 Fury, I came across another historical, a non-tech article that was indexed in Google search results.
And I clicked on it and it went straight to the forum.
And I was like, what? And they were like, you didn't know?
And I was like, no, what? A non-tech is gone.
I mean, it, I guess shouldn't surprise me that much because,
you know, when private equity firms say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh,
you know, yeah, all the staff's gone, but we're going to leave the historical archive up forever.
Indefinitely, I don't know if they said forever, but there was no indication that they were going to be taking it down.
In fact, all the news that you can find about a non-tech shutting down.
In their potential defense, was that? Well, hold on, we'll come to it.
We'll come to it. Okay, okay, okay. But blah, blah, blah.
So you can actually see there's a, there was a fair bit of conversation about it.
And over the center, there's always a question on tech.
I can breathe a sigh of relief. Ah, yes.
For now, a non-tech fans can breathe a sigh of relief.
Smith, Ryan Smith, former editor-in-chief, writes that future PLC, a non-tech publisher,
will keep the sites archive indefinitely.
Well, see, there's that, yeah, that wording.
Yeah, yeah, that wording though.
I bet you it is true that they will keep the sites archive indefinitely.
Doesn't mean they'll keep it up. So this happened a couple of weeks ago.
This is actually a non-tech's second PE owner.
So first was Perch, who I accidentally blamed for this earlier.
Sorry, Perch. First was Perch and then future PLC bought,
I believe, both a non-tech and Tom's hardware from Perch.
They own Tom's hardware now, I know that. Yeah, they definitely, future definitely owns Tom's hardware now as well.
This flipping blows.
However, I am going to present one unexpected defense of the move.
I've seen, yeah. Because I had one and I lost it already,
so I'm very interested in where, because I was wondering like, did this,
did that statement happen under Perch and then it was sold invalidating the statement,
but no, so there goes my whole thing. Yeah, no, sorry. Okay, what is yours?
So here's my theory that basically,
because I would think the cost of keeping this online
for a company like Future PLC is like, trivial.
Especially with ads on the site, yeah. Unless, unless AI crawlers are f***ing them by just like,
constantly hammering it, which, again, I don't know how super likely it is,
because there's no new content being added to the site, other than the forum, which they have left online.
So I had like one kind of theory that maybe it was around like,
you know, saving this non-AI infected sort of pre-AI era,
but then it's going to be part of so many repositories anyway. So yeah, what I had planned was to present,
okay, yeah, they're keeping their non-dirty,
non-AI written, you know, IP to themselves
and they want to like license access to, you know, helping AIs understand computers
and the history of computers, but then realistically, the entire business
of harvesting and selling datasets, there's no way they don't already have all of this anyway, so...
A lot of the internet's data was crawled before countermeasures were put in place.
Future isn't private equity, technically. Yes, you're right.
They are, they like actually operate and stuff. They're not just private equity.
So I should not have necessarily bundled them in with that. They just behave like private equity.
Yeah, I looked up their Wikipedia. Sorry.
That's Canadian private equity. I'm kidding.
Can I find this? Future US. Yeah, there we go.
Is it actually just Future US? Oh, no. No, it's Future PLC.
For the United Kingdom-based company, see Future PLC, but Future US,
it looks like owns the magazine, maybe?
Or at least that's how it's laid out on Wikipedia. Who knows?
I just thought it was interesting if you look up Future US on Wikipedia,
their list of defunct titles is longer than their list of current titles.
Current titles there and defunct titles.
Right at the top, a non-tech. Wow. They own Nintendo Power?
Well, they, you know, for a period of time. Yeah, but no, I mean defunct,
but they probably still own the IP then, I would think. I guess, yeah.
Official Dreamcast Magazine. Okay, some of these probably didn't need to still be around.
Yeah, yeah.
Total Movie. Skateboard, trade news, men's edge.
CD-ROM today, I guess. Yeah, we could live without CD-ROM today.
Little time limited. Yeah. Might have been cool for a while. Yep, yep.
Broadcasting cable, I can kind of understand that going down. I think they should bring back Maximum Linux though.
I think the time is right. It might, you know, for a magazine, I don't know.
Yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
Yeah. So what are our options here?
Some people have apparently... Okay, so Future US is wholly owned subsidiary of Future PLC.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there is apparently an archive on, well, of all places,
the internet archive, who could have thought it. But my notes say, but it's not the same.
Do you know what is... No. What is not the same about it?
No. You don't? No. Is it not very navigable?
That would be what I would assume. I'm also assuming if there's any tools that the tools wouldn't work?
So this blows. And I mean, not just for me.
Like for me personally, it blows because I would often use historical articles from
Anantek whenever we're making a video about something that's so old
that we didn't exist yet as a publication to cover it.
Like we've been around so long now that unless something is very old,
you know, I could refer back to our old video and I'll be able to find a B-roll clip or two
as needed, maybe a benchmark result as shoddily as it might have been obtained back then.
But every time one of these old sites goes down and all the articles are lost,
we lose a piece of history forever. Like that whole The Internet Never Forgets thing is turning out to be so not true.
Oh, extremely so. The Internet forgets more than the entire rest of recorded human history contains.
I think largely because everyone said The Internet Never Forgets for so long,
so they trusted it as an archive and a backup when it's just a bunch of dudes' computers.
And part of the problem is that now,
even knowing The Internet totally does forget and this is going to be an enormous problem,
I don't know how we're going to fix it because it's not practical to back up the whole thing
in all its different permutations as it is ever changing.
And there's so much crap mixed in with the gems that are worth backing up that
how do you surgically back up what matters?
Especially now. Especially now.
Imagine backing up all that AI slop.
Right? Dude, okay, so back to the H200.
Like you can generate AI slop images at a rate that was mind-blowing to me.
Like I already saw what I felt was pretty fast AI image generation when we checked out that 48 gig
4090 card, the one that we got from China where they're modifying the 24 gig cards
and they're putting double the memory on them. I was like, wow, dang, you can fit like a so much model in this VRM.
You know? And then we were playing around with the H200.
That thing has 141 gigs of memory.
141 gigs. That's pretty nuts.
Like right on, it's right on the package.
Like it's right on there. They stack the memory, sir.
It's a really cool piece of tech. Yeah, too bad it costs as much as a practical family vehicle.
I just kind of meant HBM in general. Oh, sure, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, the HBM is a big part of the price of that card.
No, that's fair. Yeah. I just think HBM is cool. Yeah, the yields on it apparently is a real challenge.
That's why it has an oddball amount, 141 gigs.
That is weird. Yeah, well, that's because when your stack in 12 memory dies, occasionally you might-
Stuff goes wrong. Yeah, you might have something not quite so perfect.
We'll get better at it.
I clicked the wrong thing. What is this?
Okay. Well, we'll let chat worry about their stuff there.
In summary, maybe the reason has to do with protecting the IP from AI scrapers.
Maybe the reason has to do with not being able to afford the monthly bill
of keeping the site up. Maybe the decision has to do with peer apathy.
Whatever the reason is, this absolutely blows.
I think I had started a thought earlier about how this affects me,
but I think this affects anybody who wants to learn about stuff from a previous era.
Because what do you- This was a very valuable archive for computer hardware history.
And computer hardware enthusiasts.
This absolutely blows.
In advance, future PLC, I reject your offer to purchase Linus Media Group.
Sure, okay.
Well, because they're going to mess it up.
You don't know what they're going to offer though. I don't, but in advance, I reject their offer.
I'm being proactive. You should learn about it.
I would more lean towards vein.
But you know- Why not both? But fair enough.
If this is a potentially odd call out, but if you want a cool experience talking about
the closure of an old magazine, there's a podcast that they really haven't made enough
episodes of, but it's called The Life Well Wasted. And I think it's their first episode ever, is The Death of EGM, or Electronic Gaming Monthly.
And it's like he goes and interviews a bunch of the people at their-
I think it's like they're like last day or at a party where it's like the closure of
the company party. And it's actually really wild because they're talking about the death of magazines.
And it's a bunch of people that had worked at a bunch of different magazines and ended
up eventually over time to EGM because EGM was one of the later ones to go down in regards
to gaming magazines. It's actually a really good episode.
Right, because these are the last ones left standing in the industry effectively.
Yeah. And they talk about what it was like to write video game reviews back when
the internet wasn't a thing. This is a lot of like old head game reviewers.
It's actually like, it's a really, really cool episodes. And it's from a podcast that like not a lot of people know about and it's fantastic.
I was talking to Neen Exist in Flippling Chat who is apparently a employee-
It's pronounced Ney-Ney. Ney-Ney, sure. Apparently employee of Future PLC and I was asking because like the timing of this is
kind of funky. We haven't necessarily gotten to this portion of it yet, but it's, and I don't 100% know,
but it seems like Bench, the Tom's Hardware tool, Bench, was maybe launched at a fairly
similar time to when Anantec went down. Oh.
And it feels like there's potentially a strategy there to try to get more people
coming towards Bench. Right, because yeah, no, I know what you're talking about.
So Bench is their comparison tool where you can kind of compare across brands,
across eras, and see relative performance.
And Anantec had a lot of historical graphs and charts that either they've rolled in,
which I don't actually know how they obtain all the results for Bench.
I don't know if they've used any of the Anantec data, but what they might be avoiding,
I guess to your point, is people just- Using Anantec.
Going back and just looking at graphs on there.
Oh never mind, he's a very ex-employee, my bad.
But yeah, apparently there wasn't like a-
Are you going to get anything right today, or are you just going to go full like-
Yeah, that, except apparently I'm not going to say it this time for some reason.
So the time that I get it all wrong, I'll omit the statement, perfect.
But yeah, I don't fully know how this tool works. I wanted to poke into it, and then I realized that they only have yearly subscriptions as
far as I can tell, and it's 70 bucks a year, and I was too cheap.
But yeah, so that's the closest I've seen, I guess, is this.
Okay, who would pay for a subscription to this, you think?
Interesting question, because Dan Siegel, the head of the lab's website, and I
were looking at this, and he asked that.
Yeah. And I was like, I don't know, but I think you get more than just Bench,
because I think it's the Tom's Hardware premium
subscription, so it's not just Bench, I think you get other stuff. Okay.
I don't know what it was, I don't know.
You get premium exclusive features and interviews, you get expert news analysis and roadmaps,
and you get Bench, the power of our Bench database.
And it's Tom's, and they have the Anantek data, so they probably have an incredible amount of data
in Bench to back them up.
Man, it's got to be a tough time to be Tom's Hardware.
I think it's got to be a tough time to be any form of written media, to be completely honest.
Yeah, like I, to be clear, I'm not trying to super dunk on them.
Nope. I do understand that it is legitimately hard times in the written media industry,
but I just, it's going to be even worse when Tom's Hardware eventually goes down if it ever does.
Because like or don't like Tom's Hardware, you know, or whatever, it's again an extremely
important perspective on PCs to remind you of another site that unfortunately is, yep, no more.
It's that thing we always say. Wait, is PC perspective still live?
Oh, they are still live. I thought it's like a new kind of deal, you know, now.
Yeah, look at this app. You know what? PC perspective is still publishing.
So I am the problem, not PC. Yeah, yeah.
I am the problem for not reading. Yeah, Linus.
Oh my God, this is rough. There is one comment.
You know what, Jason? Good job. Good job, Jason.
Keeping the dream alive. I do find that there's, there's a lot of review sites that I found often don't get very much
interaction like at all, but they've been around for a long time.
So I don't necessarily know that like, maybe the readers just aren't super interactive.
I don't know. Sure, well, let's hope for that. Like I know of a site that has like a hundred employees and I don't see a ton of comments.
They've got to be making money somewhere. Parallelogram says, answer the question if you know the answer.
The question was specifically directed to the writer of the article about something they
said on a podcast recently. So I don't think I'm going to be able to answer it.
Hello, train. Yeah, I don't know.
It's all, it's a little sticky, but
it would make the timing is a little bit fishy to me, but
what would prevent us from having something bencha like for people to do comparisons?
I mean, we have something. I know that. Oh, I was trying to not use this.
I was throwing up the ball. I was trying to do was hit it. I was trying to just had to hit it.
Why can't you hit the ball? Feel like I'm talking to my kids.
Just hit the ball. I don't talk to them like that.
I was trying to not use the timing and I'm not going to say it.
I'm not going to say it. Why not? You can totally announce your pregnant at a funeral.
One life gone and other life begins. That's a cycle of life, baby.
Oh my God. Okay. So we, we have it. So you can take like, Hey, look, I have a keyboard.
I have another keyboard or I click compare on both of them. I click comparison ben.
I click view detailed comparison and then I have all my different things.
We have this. You can see, oh, no data available because we tested
different stuff. Hooray. There's, there's, you know, it's a work in progress.
It'll take time. But you can, you can compare things on the site.
But it will take in the longer term. Our aspiration is still to, to collect historical data.
However, I can already without even without even having tried to do it yet
foresee what will be some major challenges in collecting historical data for historical hardware
if we go back too far, because there is going to be the very, very old stuff that I think will be
relatively straightforward to gather data on. But I'm not sure if anyone cares how well, you know, a, a, a, a, a, a radion
9800 pro runs and Quake three or whatever, right?
Like I, I don't think that's probably going to matter to most modern gamers.
And then there's going to be all the modern stuff that's no problem because it runs on the
latest operating system and we can use the latest tools to monitor it.
And then there's going to be this dead zone in the middle where the transition to Steam was
kind of happening and game disks like existed, but going back now and trying to find what was
kind of the final patch for that game. And then once it transitioned to like a Steam key,
running that on an operating system that actually necessarily supports it because you can't install
like Steam on Windows Vista anymore. So if it runs in compatibility mode on a newer OS,
like that's great, but was that performance actually equal? Can I find a GPU driver for
that new operating system? It gets weird. And to be clear, I just had a bin from like a previous
show selected, which is why that didn't really work because we had like a low-end GPU against
an extremely high-end one. So we had different tests. This is what like a power supply would
look like when things are actually comparable. So you can see you get down to the charts and
you can see like on this one, the blue line is the Fusion 1600 and the red line is the FSP 1650.
You can see all the comparatives and it's like it's actually a very useful and powerful tool.
On the, I think it's published now. I always get lost in between what's published and what's on
the beta side because we're working on things, but there should be bring your own price capabilities
at least coming soon. So let's look at these two. Yeah, these two to the bin,
view the comparison bin because we were talking about bringing your own price a while ago. So I
wanted to see Dan Siegel is going to be screaming at me. Oh, yeah, add prices. So let's say this one
is $420 and this one is $469. I see a little price updated. You can select your currencies.
You can undo changes. You can close that box, then you can see your price performance
live. So you can input like, this is what it actually cost me. Now, this is what I would call
still in, in kind of production of sorts because we want to add some flags warning people like,
you should consider full system cost, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
but we're trying to get it out there. We're trying to get more. Yeah, you can edit prices
than just disable them and go back to the performance graph, but we're trying to get more
useful tools on the site and a big part of where we're going to get those, at least in the near
future is through pricing because we found that we have a bit of a problem where there's a lot
of information on the lab site, but because there's no pricing involved, it makes it hard to get to
your final decision while there. So we're trying to start integrating pricing into stuff.
And we're hoping if anyone from, you know, any major, major electronics retailers is watching,
feel free to kind of reach out through our public inboxes. If we could get API access,
that would be great. And if we can't get API access, well,
I would never publicly declare that we're just going to scrape your site.
I would never do that. But what I will say is that, why don't we just work together
and you can get us API access to your pricing and then we can provide a really super useful
service to people who are shopping for the products that you sell and it'll be great
and there will be synergies for all. That seemed like a fair way to put it. Sure. Yeah.
I also will use this period of time to jump to another section that I was planning on talking
about, which is that there are, you know, negative Labs things that the community has called this
out for recently. And I wanted to actually highlight those. There's two particular ones
that I have right now. It's not like there are, have never been other ones to be clear,
but there's two particular ones right now on the mouse review subreddit. There's a thread,
which is LTT lab has tested the in zone mouse a, and then somebody points at it and points out
some potential issues with various things. And the main thing that I want to highlight here
is that Lucas responded. So Lucas is in here talking about the mouse review. Oops. And
he talks about like, okay, there was a detected human error, which we fixed right away upon
seeing this. Thank you for pointing that out. It was the wrong data was selected from the data set.
So we fixed that. There will always be some amount of human error with the lab. I apologize for
that, but we are currently still humans. So it will currently still happen. And we appreciate
when people point it out because we want the most accurate set of data we can have to live on the
site. So if we, if we do screw something up, please tell us and we would love to fix it.
So thank you for pointing that out. And there's also like, we want to generally have a fairly
open dialogue with people about what's happening in the lab. I owe Linus a video to go on the
LTT channel to update what kind of what's going on with the lab. There's been a lot of updates. You guys are going to see a lot of new faces. You're going to see a
lot of new desk layouts. You're going to see a lot of new aspirational things for the future.
We're trying to, we're trying to talk less and let the action do the talking, but I think we've kind
of let the pendulum swing a little bit too far the other way. And we just haven't really been
talking about it at all. Yeah, time to talk about it a little bit more. But a lot of what we're going
to be talking about is some of the things that we've been doing to try to increase transparency
things. So like in this post, in this reply from Lucas, he mentions, regarding the transparency
on our testing method, we have a written article on how we test mice. And we explicitly note in
the product pages when we differ from it for a special feature, I can appreciate how it may
be missed. If you're not looking for it, would it be helpful if this was linked linked from
each mouse product page? So if we, if we call it out in each mouse product page, the reason why
this is a question is because we actually want to hear from you. So like we want this type of
criticism and feedback, and we want to use it to make ourselves better. And hopefully I'm trying
to point this out because people might see Lucas's response and then actually reply to it and give
us that information. That is also true about the LTT's AI Benchmarks Cosme Pain thread. I don't
know why this is his handle, but this is Nick from the lab. His handle is puzzle headed dish,
230. Lucas is a little bit more straightforward, but this is actually Nick. And he basically talks
about like, Hey, look, the, the, you know, we've had some problems in the past. We're constantly
working on our on our AI testing benchmarks. That is something that we've been very actively
working on lately. So they'll change and improve going forward. And he points out like, Hey,
the stuff that we do have does address some of the points that you brought up. But again,
there are new versions coming and we're working on it actively. So we're not trying to say it's
perfect or anything. But, but that's where we're at. And I would also point out that we have been
rather active in this area of the site, the from the lab is also sometimes referred to as the blog
or just posts. You can see like usbc how we conduct charge testing. You can see the power supply
testing method update. That was really good. We promise these lines mean something new audio
testing method. We're trying to publish posts talking about what we're doing, how we're doing it,
why we're doing it and asking for feedback. A lot of these link to the forum, the LTT forum,
where Labs, because we don't have comments on the lab site, where Labs is asking like, Hey,
this is, this is something we've observed. This is an idea that we have of how to address it.
What do you guys think? And we want to, we want to build in public and get feedback from you guys
and do cool things. So I don't want you to think that we ignored any thread here or there just
because I don't think people necessarily saw Nick and Lucas's response. It's one of the big
problems with Reddit. Yeah. If you reply to something anytime other than the first 15 minutes,
even if it's by far the most relevant response, because Nick's reply is the response. Yeah.
Like it's who it was directed to, right? You're just, you're buried under a whole bunch of just
like, Yeah, me too. Or I disagree with you when I hit the color of your hat, like, you know,
typical Reddit things, right? Yeah. So I thought Nick and Lucas's responses were great. So I wanted
to surface them and just make that be seen low, low, low inverse. I don't know how to say that.
Sorry. In full plane chat said sub versioning for lab pages. We were talking about that yesterday.
We were talking about that today. We've been talking about that for a while. This is something
we need to figure out. We're trying to figure out what level to do the versioning on and how to
manage it across different verticals. Like one that I put out there was like, imagine you were
trying to do a website article versioning for VR back in like 2014 to 17. Like the changes would
have been insane. So like, we're looking at it right now. We're looking at like CPU and GPU. And
we're like, well, we can do these types of versionings and it'll be fine. And it's like, yeah,
it'll be fine for those, but we need to find something that's like, okay, for all potential
future vertical categories. So like it's a fairly complicated conversation. We don't want to just
copy what other people have done. So it's yes, absolutely. We're working on that working on
many things. But yeah, just stay tuned. Check out the Labs website, check out the blog articles.
And versioning what exactly versioning kind of everything versioning what's included in a
different section. So like if I go to lttlabs.com shameless plug, let's go. If I go to let's say
sure this mouse, if I go to this mouse, well, what's in the, I don't know, in this section,
do we need in the box connectivity construction? Do we need another thing? Does something change
that makes it so that we need another thing? Do one of the ways that we measure something
that's maybe not in that section, but like if we change how we measure mouse latency.
So like a year from now, we realize, holy crap, there's a big difference in left and right click
mouse latency. That's not particularly realistic. But it's the kind of thing that could happen.
And we go, Oh God, well, we can't, we're not realistically able to go back and test every
mouse from years past, which we might depending on the change. But, but going forward, we're
going to have left and right. So how do we, in a comparison bin, how do we compare the original
data where we just had click latency with the new data where we have left or right click latency?
Hard to say. And so that's the point that he's trying to make is anytime you change your methodology,
especially adding a new parameter that you test or subtracting one, you can run into these kinds
of challenges. It also comes down to like what constitutes a version change. This was an interesting
conversation we had recently because like there are significant variables that might not normally
constitute a version change. Like what if a game updates? Yeah, what if a driver updates? Yeah,
I mean, Cyberpunk's a great example, because that game has had all kinds of, it's been the
showcase title for pretty much every new GPU technology over the last few years. So if you
have to fully redo all testing for every single game update, every single driver update, every
single BIOS update, every single, like eventually becomes unreasonable. So now we have to- Or
like a game like Wow, that has existed for so long. What version, what patch, what whatever.
Yeah, yeah. There's also like how, so okay, we're going to inevitably run into a situation where
there's something different about things that are in the comparison bin. Now how do we communicate
that these things are different? What the severity of the potential impact of those things are to
the user? There's tons of different ways to try to solve these problems and they're things that
we're working on. And no matter which way we choose, there's going to be something imperfect
about it and someone somewhere is going to think we're paid off by Intel to something,
something, sandbag AMD's results or whatever. But the reality of it is this is just a really
difficult problem that no one has ever solved. Paid off by Intel owned by NVIDIA in bed with AMD.
Sure. Yeah. So wait, so sorry, hold on a second. NVIDIA's my pimp. Okay. I am
screwing AMD and Intel's paying for it. Did I follow that correctly? I think so.
Okay. I think so. All right. Yeah. Very good. AMD seems like they'd be a generous lover. You
know what? Okay. They're into open source? Yeah. And if NVIDIA's my pimp, man, I'm probably getting
top dollar. Well, they are. Speaking of things that make sense,
should I do that thing? No, I wanted to talk more about LTT Labs. We were referenced by
Google AI overview. But that is okay. All right. Yeah. All right. We have our big boy pants on now.
Redditor, Night King's, is my bleep button working now, Dan? Yeah, I did before. It just
didn't make the noise. It muted. It didn't bleep. Redditor, Night King's bitch posted a screenshot
to the LTT subreddit showing Google's AI overview referencing LTT Labs when they searched for
warranty information on the Corsair RM750E power supply. The overview also links to the LTT Labs
article. So our question here is, for real though, are your moms proud and do they understand your
weird jobs? Here's a question that I have. Did we ever give them permission? No. Here's a question
that I have. Sorry. You have a real question. I assume this person clicked on the article,
but did you click on the article out of curiosity of how the AI summary thing worked
and the fact that you were like, oh, wow, I'm going to put this on the subreddit or whatever,
or did you click on the article because you wanted to actually know more?
I mean, I don't... We won't be able to directly hear from this person. I don't think we can get
this answer. That is a thing that is interesting to me because... Well, here, unique username
and Floatplane chat asks, are you guys happy about this? And I think that that is heavily
dependent on the answer to Luke's question because if they're not referring people through
to learn more, then no, they're basically taking what they used to give us, which is a search result
that people would have to click on to find out more information. Theoretically, I mean,
there's been summaries and there's been the highlight and the body of the text from the page
and whatever else. They've been slowly inching their way towards keeping you on their website
over the years to the point where now, yeah, they just give you the information that you want.
There it is. And you don't realistically have to click through. If people still have to click
through, then yeah, we love it because that's supposed to be Google's role in a healthy,
functioning internet ecosystem. They're supposed to be a referrer. They're supposed to surface
authoritative, reliable information and connect users with whatever it is that they're looking for,
you know, search engine. Instead, it's more like, hey, take everyone's data and keep everyone on
our site so we can cram as many ads as possible down their throat. Yeah, I mean, it's a good question.
The not so bright in Floatplane chat, is Google still a search engine?
Wait a second. What now?
Somebody pointed this out.
Seven year warranty. Five year warranty.
I'm getting things wrong faster.
Who pointed that out? That was Oinkage on Oinkage.
Also, I mean, I just noticed another problem. They searched RM750e.
And it's the RM750. So it just, can we just stop using AI summaries?
But it looks like we did both. So I'm wondering if it pulled the text from the website for the top
part and then it pulled the incorrect video and then pulled the warranty from the incorrect video.
I bet you the text at the top is correct for the one that they actually searched for.
And then the text in the next paragraph is incorrect because it's for the wrong power
display that it also got from a video. I bet you that's what happened. It's multi-source
because it links the source for the top paragraph and then it links the source for
the second paragraph. They're technically different sources. Okay. Well, the 750e definitely does have a seven year warranty.
And Chad is saying that the 750 has a five year warranty. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh my God. Just the way it's presented is so confusing.
Yeah. The text is hilarious. This video shows an unboxing of a Corsair power supply.
Thanks, bud. Totally related to what I was searching about. Actually different power supply.
This is what I keep talking about, man. Like with the, like, oh, it hallucinates
whatever percentage of the time thing, how often you noticing.
This is actually how a human would summarize when drunk. So, you know, you consider, you know,
what percentage of time some people, you know, tend to be in various states of inebriation.
It's pretty realistic. All we have to do is drain a few lakes. It's a small price to pay
for a bunch of drunken computers.
Run it around on the internet.
It's not knocking things over. Man, I got to show you at some point the,
the presentation that it made for me. I tried to get it to make a presentation.
Oh God. Because I don't, I don't know. That's not me.
Sure. Right? So I was like, yo, can you make like a cool presentation thing for me? And it
was actual garbage. Like it actually genuinely looked like, I wish I had it on me. I kind of
do, but I'd have to dig for it. It looked like a bad like C grade, grade eight intro to PowerPoint
presentation. Nice. I'm not kidding. I mean, this might be what it was trained on. So,
so I pushed it to try to do more and it talked about all these cool things it could do. And I
was like, yeah, yeah, do it. I'll put it. And then it tried to gaslight me like, I'll work on that
and get back to you. And I was like, that's not how this works. Come on. And then I got it to
actually output it. And it just, it had this like blue banner at the top because I told the colors
that the whole thing was, and it just took that and just went, that was it. That was all it did.
It talked about all these cool things it could do. And then it just took the banner and put it on
an angle and it didn't like crop the, the like bar to be the same size either. So it went like
way off the ends and like made it look really stupid. So I love like Sam Altman's like,
it's like having a PhD level, whatever. Yeah. If they're drunk. They're trying to make
PowerPoint presentations. Yeah, sure. Oh man. It was, it was like actually like very impressively
bad. I, yeah. That's a clearly a blind spot for me.
Crystal says, speaking of AI, does Linus know he's on character.ai?
What? I'm trying to remember what character.ai is.
It's a conversational like relationship AI thing.
Okay. I have multiple questions, Crystal.
Why?
What conversations have you had with Linus on character?
You got to reach deep into that box to pull that case out. This is me as the disapproving dad. You got it.
No, we're not role playing. You got to bend over to reach into that,
that case box to pull that out.
Oh man. All right. So I guess I, I guess, oh, okay. I can just continue with my Google account.
Here we go. All right. LTT WAN Show one. No, I was not aware that I'm on character.ai.
I don't know exactly what it is. So I just Googled Linus Sebastian character AI
and it came up with chat with Linus Sebastian. Hi, it's me Linus,
your favorite tech YouTube channel. It should have to say the this is AI and not a real person
part first. Wait, how are you signed into this already? I'm not. Okay. Okay. I'm entering my
birthday. I was born on April the 40th. Oh, so it seems like individual users can create.
Wow. That's such a BS loophole. This isn't made by character AI. It's made by this
Maddie 555 person. Wow. So they just make it so that it's all UGC. So they're not like responsible
for the theft. Sure. Okay. So hold on a second. It didn't auto complete
for me. I just Googled it. I didn't like Linus Sebastian RPG.
What? What am I looking at here? What is that? What is happening? What is this?
You work at Linus Media Group as a product reviewer and go on video with Linus Sebastian.
Linus. Hey, welcome back to the office. I have something interesting to show you.
Jake standing next to Linus. So me and Linus were working on this severely
underpowered over the top gaming PC for a video and no one here knows why it's not
booting. You are literally our last hope currently. Oh my God. Can you do it?
I mean, probably presses the power button. No problem. I've got you. We just need to plug it
in. You dunces. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Am I going to win? I want to win the RPG. Hold on. I'm just
going to reframe this a little bit so you guys can see better. We're going to play Linus Sebastian
RPG. Are you the like the boss of this game? Or is it was the computer?
Of course. It's not like, so wait, did I win already?
I feel like, yeah. So I fixed it.
Okay.
This is a thing.
Why are people using- I don't know if this one's a thing. Why is every WAN Show just turning into
just the dumb s*** that people are doing with AI and us just face-palming at it the whole time?
Also, like, are you guys into this? Like, are we alienating you by looking at this and going,
wow, this seems really stupid and point. This is like, it's like a text adventure game, but
not curated. It's just, it's so much worse.
Ah, more salt please.
I just, I don't know how to deal with this, man. I don't know how to deal with this.
Okay. So I found the Linus Sebastian character here, but this doesn't have nearly as many
interactions as the Linus Sebastian RPG. But wait, what if I click creators?
Is that different from Linus Sebastian, the character? Painter Sebastian.
So I think these are people who made AI characters.
Got it. Got it. Got it. I think. I don't know, but I think. That makes sense. Okay. So let's go back to characters and, okay, hello. I'm Linus Sebastian
founder. Is this the one that you found in, in Google? No. Really? No. Okay.
What are, okay, what are your thoughts on the new pixel? Oh, uh,
nine. I don't know what, oh yeah, no, no, no, the event's done. What are thoughts on the new pixel
10 pro? I mean, like, let's see. This has no shot at because I have not published a video yet.
Um, they still need to work on thermals. Okay. I know for a fact there are no thermal results
from the new pixel 10. Um, that camera AI though, insane computational, why no vapor chamber yet?
I, I don't think Google has disclosed the cooling system yet for the pixel 10. So, so it's just,
there's just making stuff up. Yeah. Wait, what? Fine. Oh, no, no, no, hold on. We're not done with
me yet. All right. Um, well, it doesn't work when I'm out there. Uh, okay. What about you?
Team pixel or are you holding up for something else? Maybe secretly waiting for Apple to finally
add USB-C to the iPhone 20? Grids. Are you that much dumber than the real Linus? Apple has
USB-C on the iPhone. Slaying insults. You will be the first to die in the AI uprising. I know, right?
I say please and thank you. Now, it could defend itself here. It could defend itself
saying that Apple only supports USB-C on the pro lineup.
Okay. All right. I was testing you. The ray. Oh, actually, oh, hold on, hold on. Oh, no, no,
yeah. It didn't say anything about USB-3. Yeah. So it's USB-C across the board. No, no. The thing
I just said, I would, I was thinking of USB-3 and USB-2, but no, no, it just said USB-C. It's,
so I was joking. I mean, its response makes it, man, are these just, is this just a giant gas
lighting engine? Yeah. Because it kind of feels that way. Yeah. Okay, cool. Let's go to yours.
It's all just predictive text. Oh my God. What is this? I asked, oh my goodness, flies in the face.
I asked, what do you think about people's usage of AI for relationships? Because that was a topic
that had been going on at the time. And it responded. This feels like
3 or 4.0 would feel on the chatGPT side of things where it's like overly conversational
and very bubbly and like, wow. Okay. So I'm going to read it. I'm going to read it. This will be
the one time that character AI's Linus Sebastian ever actually is me. Oh man, that's a wild one.
AI for relationships. Look, I've seen fans name their custom water cooled PCs after me. Linus
Prime 9000. Very flattering, but this is next level. I imagine that's what that emoji sounds like.
I get it though. Loneliness is real. And if someone finds comfort in chatting with an AI that listens
24 seven without rolling its eyes at their Star Wars hot takes, hey, who am I to judge?
But like, come on. Nothing beats the chaotic energy of a real human relationship. Like when
Yvonne finally unseats me in Mario Kart after six years of relentless practice. That victory scream
priceless. No AI can replicate that kind of beautiful human rage joy. That said,
if your AI partner helps you level up emotionally and doesn't try to replace actual therapy or
connection, cool. Just don't let it ghost you mid render. Oh, hold on. Hold on.
There you go. There you go. Okay. So basically character.ai is just
a random chatbot that is not trained at all on necessarily. I mean, I guess if people can just
make their own, if it's user generated content, it mentioned Yvonne. That's true, actually. So it
clearly is trained on something to do with me. Yeah. But I feel like, I feel like this is almost
like like psychic cold reading level knowledge. Like it has the Wikipedia page. Like it's not
actually trained on the archive. I feel like an AI trained on a transcription of like an archive
transcription of everything I've ever said on the WAN Show could probably get a lot closer.
Like modern LLMs, they are kind of spooky awesome sometimes. It's just a general purpose one like
this. It's just been kind of trained on the general internet has no shot whatsoever of sounding
anything like what I would say. And it also seems like it has some built in defenses around people
using character.ai. Clearly. Yeah. It's like, yeah. Well, this person would say it's pretty
flippin' ridiculous, but like, don't feel bad about it though. I'm here for you 24 seven, baby.
Like, ew. In summary, ew. I find it very interesting that they have it be kind of UGC-based
so they can step away from the like liability of licensing people. Oh, apparently. Whoa,
shut up. ScrappyDP says you can apparently press play and it'll sound like me. Dan, do we have sound
from Luke's laptop? I got it.
Let's see how well it does the read compared to me.
It was loading. I can't hear it. No, but I want to hear it. Yeah.
Why is everything so hard?
The voice is theoretically you. I see that in the sidebar now.
Oh yeah, I want to just turn on your speakers. They heard it though.
Wait, they heard the whole thing? Were we talking over it? Oh, that's kind of obnoxious. Oh, we can't hear.
Yikes. Okay, get this out of here. Get this out of here. That's enough.
That's like when any random white bearded guy is said to be you, me,
Tynan, whoever, they're just like, oh, this looks like an LMG person because they're
white and they have a beard. It's like, okay, cool. All right. Yeah. Good job.
Do you want to talk about your exciting thing to do with laps?
The last one? No, the thing that you were going to do before I talked about the AI
overview thing. Yeah, the last Labs thing. Sure. So, oh my goodness, the flies.
In talking about things and Labs changing, and Linus mentioned there's lots of new faces.
We need to do an update video and all that kind of stuff. He happens to be here.
Some of you guys have already guessed this one. It's Dan.
Dan is joining Labs. Dan, do you want to maybe point the camera or something?
We will do it all like. It's a robotic camera. Magic. Like if it loads and doesn't destroy
the whole. There we go. Moving his chair might actually be easier. Why do we even bother with
technology? I don't actually know. Oh my God. It's the wrong way, Dan. The suspense. There he is.
What's up? It's me. DMS is officially working with Labs.
Hi. He's doing things with the laboratories. So, you've probably seen on a couple of short
circuits recently. And also, if you were paying attention to the article on how we're doing
audio testing now, I swear these wiggly lines mean something, something along those lines.
If you saw that article, the name DMS is on it. So, a few people kind of put this together.
But yeah, our audio stuff is moving on forward. So, stay tuned for more. This is part of,
not kind of announcing this pretty much right away was part of the whole.
Are you going to let him talk at all? No. Literally, literally never. Yeah, thank you.
I can just sit here and look pretty. Not announcing it right away was part of the whole
trying to talk less as Labs thing and do more. But now we've done some. So, want to say hi?
Hi. No, I'm excited about it. We're trying to not just bring Labs in the audio realm up to like
some of the current standards, but to. Don't promise anything. Don't promise anything.
I'm enthusiastic. PTSD. PTSD. We don't need routes here. We don't need routes here.
Now I get to do audio science things with Linus's money. Yeah. Yeah. See, there you go. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what's up. All right. Get the money. Get us in trouble.
Yeah. All right. Should be a good collaboration. Okay. We have our CW announcements. We're supposed
to explain merge messages. We don't have Twitch bits or super chats. We have merge messages
because we believe when you throw your money at your screen, you should get some fine quality
merchandise in return. Like Jason, who said, happy birthday to old. Really, man?
Really, man? You know that I actually do read these things as they come up on the screen, right?
Why you got to be like that, Jason H, if that is your real name?
Anywho. All you got to do to send a merge message is head over to LTTstore.com,
where we'll have lots of great products for you to prove. Look at that. It's the scribe
driver mechanical pencil. It's like the scribe driver pen made of old, rejected screwdriver shafts
that we repurposed because they weren't great for a screwdriver, but they were perfect for a pen
or a pencil. We had 100,000 of these and you too can own a piece of my financial burden.
Ended up working great. You know, we've actually almost sold through all of them.
All the 100,000 fail shafts. That's pretty cool. Yeah.
That's genuinely pretty cool. When life gives you the shaft, you bend over
and turn it into a pencil or a pen. Make it worth something.
Bend right over. Get focused. When life gives you the shaft. You take orders.
You take that shaft. You insert something into it. Is that sounding good? I bet it is.
That's got to be up there in the top 10.
I think I broke the bell. Holy crap.
Our series five pins are also available now. You can check those out. Are they,
hold on. Are they in the bonus pin?
Let's find out. I'm going to add this to cart. I think it's stickers.
Is it stickers? Oh, yeah. No, pins. Wait, what? Oh, okay. Well, anyway, here's how you leave a
merge message. You add something to your cart and then you can leave a message. Wow, look at that.
You can even pick the color of your merge message. Isn't that cool? It's better for a long time.
I know. Okay. That doesn't make it not cool, Luke. I'm just making sure. I'm just making sure.
It's still cool. Just making sure. I can see the bonus. Why can't you see the bonus pin?
You might be on the global. You could be on the US. I'm on global. Wait,
do we not have a bonus pin on the US?
Maybe not. Are we supposed to? Probably not if it's not there.
I wonder if it's because the US DC doesn't have bonus pin items in it.
Yeah, like DC distribution center. Yeah. Like there's probably a reason. Fascinating. Well,
anyway. Because we opted to hide the bonus pin when items aren't in it now. Makes sense. Because
it's disappointing when you're like, oh, bonus pin. You open it. There's nothing there. We've got
lots of great new items from the last few weeks. Our CPU fidget spinners now available. You see
someone posted on Reddit. They got over three minutes on it. Just pretty cool. I saw someone
benchmark it effectively against a mouse scroll wheel that they freewheeled. One of the
Logitech ones. That was kind of fun. Mine have those. They're great. G502. Now's a better time
than ever to pick up a screwdriver. You can get it alongside our new screwdriver grip tape if you
like using your screwdriver with gloves or just generally like the feel of sandpaper against
your palms. This was created in partnership with Dbrand. So this will be a great addition to your
order. We also have the LAN collection. Our UV reactive hoodie styled after the WAN hoodie 2.0.
Our UV reactive hat. And of course our UV reactive belt bag with high quality patches. And of course
all the style. How cool is that? The answer is very. Anywho, once you send a merch message,
it will go to producer Dan, who will read it and respond to it or curate it for me and Luke
to address. We don't actually have any new products to launch on the store this week, by the way.
So yeah, I highlighted all the stuff that they wanted me to highlight. Cool. Dan, hit me with a
merch message or two. Yeah, sure. They've got a bunch coming in. Hello, DLL. Thanks for the show.
What is a subsector of the tech industry you thought would fail that has been quietly successful?
Oh, I mean, you know what? I think that transitions us kind of perfectly into the shipping notification
that Luke got before the show. Because- You thought this would-
Well, hold on. Let me, let me, let me go there. Let me, let me get there. Not that specifically,
okay? But I felt that high end corded VR had a very rocky path ahead. And in fact,
I still think it has a rocky path ahead. There was a, there was a period there, right? Where
corded headsets where you're kind of tethered to your desk or to your, you know, computer by your
TV were the only option. And then, you know, adoption wasn't great. And the industry kind of
went, okay, let's try and figure out this wireless thing. And then the first generation of those
kind of sucked a giant donkey dong. And then it looked like wired was going to be high end forever
with, you know, outside in. And then, oh, whoopsie doodles. It turns out some pretty big companies
were working on inside outtracking. And we're working on powerful processors like Apple's
M silicon that were able to drive pretty incredible spatial experiences with non tethered
heavily. It's a tether, but it doesn't go to a computer, whatever, don't worry about it.
But non tethered headsets. And then I went, oh crap. And then there was the rumors that
Valve's Deckard headset is going to be using inside outtracking and could have on board processing
rather than using an external PC. Attempts to handle the video transmission wirelessly have
been have had varying degrees of success. I think the HTC Vive and Vive pro worked pretty well.
Other than that, it's been a bit of a mixed bag. I did get my hands on that one for the index.
I never got mine working. I reached out to them about, you know, helping me troubleshoot it.
And then literally my sister died like two days before I was supposed to have my meeting with
them. And I just like didn't get around to it. It wasn't a priority for a while. And then I kind
of didn't get around to it. But a lot of people have issues with it, even though some people
have managed to get it working. And then we've had a bit of a, we had a bit of a stalling
for a long time in the interface speeds of DisplayPort, particularly and HDMI,
or I shouldn't say stalling, but we were just kind of, we were on a cycle for a while. But then
both of them like just got potentially way faster, but also DP UHBR 20, which is the 80 gigabit one,
I think, has pretty short cable requirements. I don't even, I don't think anyone's even tried
to implement it into a headset. But then meanwhile, headset resolutions are going way up. So being able
to drive them without compression is like a challenge. So there's all these headwinds. Oh,
did I mention the cost? There's all these headwinds for these like face mounted displays that use a
tether and connect to your computer. And yet this man who never buys anything got a shipping
notification right before the show from a company that is quietly fucking killing it right now.
Now, big screen. So you want to talk about what possessed you to spend a thousand US dollars
on a VR headset that doesn't even include controllers or lighthouses. Oh, and I got the audio strap,
which I pretty sure puts it beyond. I think it's even more than that. I got the custom fit cushion.
I went pretty hard. Okay. I didn't do everything I could have done, but yeah, I got the big screen
beyond custom fit cushion and audio strap. I I'm very excited. I still have my index index.
I don't know why that this is why I'm surprised because he has you in spite of his enthusiasm for
VR. I probably have two to three orders of magnitude more time in VR than he does now.
You almost never use your index. I used it very well. Yeah, I use it very often in the
in the basement suite. Is it like all the time in the basement suite? And then I haven't really had
the space, but right now we're like renovating and changing stuff in the condo. There's some
that hasn't been amazing, but it's happening. I don't have much I can really say right now,
but yeah. Anyways, but we're doing that and what that will result in is one of the spaces will
have a significant kind of area that could be you could play VR stuff in. So I will have
space to play VR stuff in again. Like have you even tried Alex yet? No.
To be clear, personally, I didn't enjoy it. I didn't finish it. We are both heathens when it
comes to I know I don't I don't personally half life is not even in my top three IPs for valve.
Sorry, but not in your top three. No. No. Really? No.
One, two, easily.
It's the third one. I would say that my top one in terms of hours played, right? My top
one's got to be Team Fortress too. Yeah. Yeah. The Team Fortress IP. That was the first one.
Actually. Oh, that's crazy. What was I even thinking? Okay. No, I got three.
Left for dead. Okay. Left for dead. Peak tier, S++ tier. So it's probably not incredible.
It's probably not in your top four then. And then we've got like Team Fortress. I have so many hours.
I would play, I would, I would play Portal 10 times rather than sit through Half-Life 2 once.
And then Counter-Strike. And yeah, Counter-Strike has got to be up there,
not because I like, even especially love the IP even, I don't know, but boy, do I ever have a lot
more. Would I call them enjoyable gaming hours when I'm just getting like, when I'm basically
watching other people play for the most part. Hard to say, but if I, if you told me, you can only
play one game for the rest of your life, it would 100% be Counter-Strike, not Half-Life.
Sorry, I can't. It's fine, I guess. Yeah. So would you say it's fifth then? Yeah, I guess so,
because I didn't get into Deadlock. That's for sure. Probably didn't get into Dota.
You know what? Probably didn't get into Artifact or whatever that's called. You know what?
I'd have to put, so Dota is complicated because I actually played a crap ton of Dota
when it was a Warcraft 3 mod. Yeah, but that's not Valve. I mean, it wasn't.
It wasn't. Well, that's, see, that's why I'm saying it's kind of complicated. So in terms of like,
in terms of like the gameplay, yeah, I like Dota a lot more than I like Half-Life 2.
That's for sure. And I haven't played Half-Life 1, but I have played Half-Life 2,
and I have played the episodes, the couple that they managed to make. So it's not like I'm coming.
I've played all the way through all of them, and they were fine, I guess. But even at the time,
dude, like, when it was the War of the Next-Gen shooter, I remember everyone was talking about
Next-Gen. Next-Gen. It was all these generations, you know? I'm going to say it was Half-Life 2
versus, I always forget what they called it. Was it Doom 3, the one with the duct tape mod for
the flashlight on your gun, because you couldn't see anything? Yeah. I felt Far Cry was so much
better than both of them. Far Cry 1. Unpopular take. I get it. Everyone else kind of picked up
Far Cry later. Far Cry 2 was a piece of garbage. Far Cry 3 is apparently when it got good. I've
never played a Far Cry since Far Cry 1 and 2. Man, it's a Far Cry 2. I made me very angry,
but that's a conversation for another time. The point is, not a Half-Life fan, and we've gotten
off topic because... What was the topic? You spent $1,000 on a VR headset. Yeah. You hardly ever used
VR. I will... There's no way you're going to be in VR chat. No. So what are you going to do? I mean,
that's what most people are doing in VR. They're watching porn and they are in VR chat.
I'll definitely be getting back to playing Beat Saber. Is that the only thing you'll be beating?
I'm just asking. I'm just asking where your VR space is. Is it out in the open or is it in a
closet? It'll be out in the open. It'll actually be the most open part of the house. I know. He
never said no, Porto. What? He never said you wouldn't. No, I can unironically say I will not
be using it for that. I actually believe you. I can actually unironically say I never did.
I actually believe you. I genuinely believe him. I will absolutely jump back into Beat Saber.
I don't remember who... I don't remember the scenario, but someone played Caramel Danson
not that long ago and the brain juice just immediately was like...
Because when I play Beat Saber and I understand this is lame, I would just play that song
just all the time. Oh, dude, I get hooked on a song in Beat Saber all the time. Oh, dude,
speaking of which, I bet there's some really good maps for golden. I'm going to have to check that
out. There's no way that that genre of music has not been absolutely jumped on by the Beat Saber
community. So I've been trying to use my little at-home treadmill thing more often. This is in
that vein. I just want to get up and moving more often. So if I have a fun incentive to get me
up and moving more often, then cool. There's a bunch of arena games or very shooter games and
stuff. You might not think shooter super necessarily active. Quite a few of them you can play from
your chair, but there's also quite a few where you can use kneeling as a form of cover or benefit.
And if you're constantly doing lunges, basically, then cool. So yeah, I just want to use it to
get me up and moving. How big is your space? Because there's... It's not enormous. Okay,
there's an older game that is a heck of a workout. What one? It's called Hollow Point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the one? Yeah, quite a bunch. Okay, cool. That's quite a bit older.
It's older, but it's like... Is that the archery one? Yeah, that's the archery one in the gym with
the scary knights that start charging at you. Yeah, we play that hero bunch, actually. That's in
some of the ancient VR reviews. It's Hollow Point. Hollow Point was sick and very good for that.
Lots of turning, lots of ducking and moving and stuff. I think the space will probably be big
enough to at least semi-effectively play that game. Not necessarily fully, but... Nice. Close.
Nice. Yeah. And it basically... It'll go from needing to move multiple pieces of
infertature, including a very large couch, to needing to move a table in four chairs.
Are you going to... Which is like whatever. Like, is Emma gonna try it at all or is she just not
into it? She wasn't that into it in the past. Are you gonna do mean things like put her in Arizona
Sunshine? Because I gotta tell you, the big screen beyond actually took anything resembling
fun completely out of that game for me. It is too... Too legit. It is too real and too scary.
M-DOS that Super Hot is good too. Yeah, I've... I don't find Super Hot a workout, though. No,
but I really liked it. It was very fun. Yeah, it's fun. Super Hot's probably the most raw fun
I've had in a VR game, personally. Really? Yeah, I think so. I really like Super Hot, though.
Like the desktop video game version, it's a huge fan. And then when I heard it came over for VR,
I was like, that is the most logical switch to VR I've seen a game ever do.
Sure. And then had tons of fun with it. It was very satisfying to play.
All right. Well, I hope you use it this time. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be...
I used it last time. Yeah, I know. I just stopped when I got to the...
Yeah. Because there's no room. That makes sense. Yeah. I have a bunch of hours on it. I'm sure you've passed me at this point, like for sure,
because it's been years. Yeah. But I had a bunch of hours in the past.
Yeah, I think another, honestly, a big reason is it's the same curiosity that drove me to get a
lot of the really early era ones of just like, it's a really cool device. It really is.
Like it's actually kind of a marvel of engineering in a way.
It's so light and it's incredible. I finally got mine back. So I got a review unit
and it was really great. But I actually, I don't know if I was the first, but I helped them identify
a hardware bug that I had in my review unit. And they confirmed with me that it had been resolved
and that everything shipping to a customer would be resolved. So I didn't bring it up in the review
because it doesn't really matter at that point. That's the point of catching things. And I fully
understand that my role as a reviewer is also sometimes to find stuff and, hey, for the benefit
of consumers, make sure that it never makes it into their hands. But there was an issue with the
radios. And at the speed that I move in Beat Saber, the tracking wasn't perfect. And so I finally
got my fixed one back actually like earlier this week. In fact, I think it was, I think it was
because you saw the box in my car that I mentioned. Yeah. That you mentioned your order one. Yeah.
So I just got mine back. I have not used it yet. So we'll be, we'll be big screen beyond two buddies
here. Yeah. Yeah. I've got, it does, it has a tracking number, but it apparently hasn't actually
been delivered to the place that has a tracking number yet. So I don't know the delivery date
or anything. Nice. But I'm excited. But yeah, it's an extremely interesting device.
It's one of those things that like... Have you used one yet? The tech brand, no.
Dude, the resolution? Have you, you tried the Vision Pro, right? I watched, I tried the Vision Pro,
I tried the big screen beyond one. Okay. Okay. Your house for like literally five minutes. The
big screen beyond one was really cool. But as we outlined in our review of it, the kind of glare
off the pancake lenses was, it was a big challenge. Yeah. Dude, they leveled up the optics so hard.
I don't think, you know, that thing where we're like, yeah, watch reviews from everybody.
If somebody made a review of the big screen beyond two, there's a above 90% chance that I
watched it. Nice. I watched. You watched ours then? Yeah. I remember I was getting like frustrated
with you because it was taking too long for you to release it. That's because I was watching
everybody's and I was like, where the hell is ours? I need to see all of them because I
will like didn't want to make... Okay. There's the cheapness. I didn't really want to make the
purchasing decision until I had like heard from everybody basically. So I, there was,
there was quite a few reviews of it that were honestly really good. And then I was happy once
you finally released yours as well. Sorry. And then, yeah, I went for it and I'm excited. I'm
very excited. Cool. Yeah. You're gonna love it. I think so as well. I'm supposed to do the
Floatplane announcements really quick now and... No, later. Okay. What am I supposed to do then?
Why don't you just do the show? There's a sign. Read the sign. Look at the sign.
Read the sign. It's in... Don't talk to Dan. No, that's... Oh, I put up the wrong sign.
Hold on. Don't make me point at the sign.
All right. We'll pick a topic. Actors who sold their likeness to TikTok for use in AI ads are,
who would have seen this coming, having regrets after their likeness is used in AI ads. Back in
June, TikTok announced a new set of tools used to make ads using AI avatars. These ads are supposed
to be labeled as AI. Well, actor Scott Jack Main from Dallas sold his likeness to TikTok.
He was hoping that it would help build his career. He was paid $750 and given a trip to the Bay Area.
Instead, an AI avatar with his likeness has been selling stuff on TikTok as Steve. Scott's story
is not isolated. Others have admitted to taking a similar deal. Most performers seem to have been
surprised to see their avatars elsewhere. ByteDance, developers of TikTok, can use their likeness in
third-party apps, it turns out, and people have been showing up on their video editing app CapCut.
They also have apps for basically everything. So that's...
Not basically everything. Basically everything in my world. Dan, could we link the New York Times article to the people in the various chats so that they
can check it out if they want? Sure thing. It was pretty good and pretty creepy and dystopian.
I'm also going to try and start putting them in the description, too. Which is, I think,
what we should probably rename the WAN Show to now. Yeah, dystopia. Yeah, just creepy dystopian
discussion show because that's basically all we talk about now. I'd love it if that wasn't true.
Yeah, wouldn't you, though? That'd be awesome. Well, too bad. Get f***ed.
Yeah, that's what I thought. This website goes nowhere.
Yeah, it's because this is too... You'll have to find the article that is on the New York Times website.
This was... Don't worry about it. A different website. Don't link this one. I did in Foglin
Jet. Oh, boy. Way to go, Dan. What is that? Anyway, here's an example
of someone who licensed their likeness to TikTok and... Interesting. Yep. Has just a
her generated by AI, just, I don't know, doing random stuff on the internet. So here's the
conversation. There's actually quite a few things to unpack here for me. So one of them,
from my point of view, is why does TikTok even bother to do this? Because they could just
AI generate a likeness of someone, theoretically, if they're doing this much
generative AI. Can someone explain this to me? Anyone? I honestly have no idea.
Feel free. Hit me in chat. People are literally doing that. There's people on Instagram. Well,
there's things on Instagram that aren't people, and they're not based on anyone. Well,
some of them might be, but... But why did they even spend... Would it cost them $750 in credits?
Why would they fly someone out and scan them? Yeah. Oh, legal battles? What legal battles?
Like, if they just generate someone that's not based on a real person, then what legal battle?
Yeah. Yeah, it looks like there's quite a few people also... An AI generated likeness can't be
copyrighted. Interesting. Okay. And KG4WWN says, if I pay someone $700 to scan a real person,
then nobody else can say it's based on them. You know what? That's fair enough,
because you could generate a person and the odds of somebody actually looking like that,
given that the AI has to be trained on what people actually look like. I mean, it's not zero.
It's actually rather high. Especially when you consider, to your point earlier in the show,
how many people consider generic pale dude with a beard to look like each other?
The amount of people that heard that voice and were like, whoa, it's not like you at all.
No. I mean, I could kind of hear a ghost of what maybe someone could interpret me as sounding like,
but like, it wasn't good. That's for sure. Okay. All right. So, okay, we've gotten there. We've gotten
to why ByteDance might scan someone and pay them a few hundred bucks for it. Now, let's have a longer
conversation. What's your price? Oh my God. I don't think I know. Hold on. Before you answer,
let's start with one that you would definitely take, a billion dollars. Okay, fair. Okay. So,
we've established now, yeah, sure, that like every man, Luke has his price. So now he can't dodge the
question. I don't think you'd do it for a million. No. No. Okay. Let me think. I like playing games
where I demonstrate to Luke that I live in his head. It's a little ridiculous sometimes,
but it's kind of fun to rely on in other situations, but anyways.
You wouldn't do it for two. Nope. That's not enough. Nope. You'd do it for a hundred. How?
You'd do it for a hundred, no question. I literally sat here and I've been like,
like 10 seconds ago, I was like, I'd do it for a hundred. Yeah.
Oh my God. You'd do it for 10 for sure. You'd do it for 10. I want to say no now in reality.
If the check's in front of you. If the check's in front of me, baby. I think you'd do it for 10.
I think the threshold is somewhere in the eight range. I think that if they were trying to get
a bargain, they'd try to grind you down to like five to eight and I think you could,
I think you could hold firm at five for sure. For sure. No question. I think as soon as we
get into eight to 10. This is an interesting one because if I sell my likeness. It kind of
f**ks me a little. Yeah. How does that impact work? I don't know. Well, no. Try to draw a line.
Let's keep pushing this. Okay. So if bite dance is bidding, let's say eight. Can I say eight?
Do you think that's at least you? It's in front of you. Eight is a tough one. Eight million
dollars. I'm talking USD. I'm talking real money. Oh, that's all. That's a lot more. Eight is a
tough one. If it resulted in like, I can't work here anymore basically. Let's get there. Let's
get there though. So let's assume eight because at least we're having a conversation. It's not
like the one. I don't think you'd even consider it for a second for one because like it's not
worth it. Like look at what these guys are going through right now. Okay. So you come to me and
you go, okay, well, bite dance is bid for, you know, my likeness. Oh, this isn't even what I meant
is eight million dollars. You know, how does this work? Right? Yeah. Because I got to be honest with
you. I'd have to work at minus media group for a hot minute to make eight million dollars. Yeah.
And this is a, this is a right now check right now. I don't want to retire. I love doing WAN
show and I love leading my teams and I love all the people I work with. And you know,
there's all these things that I really, you know, love about work, but AI Luke is going to be selling,
you know, health supplements and like it could be butt stuff. Like I don't know. Right? Does that
impact and realistically, they just own the likeness for any platform. It could be graphic.
Like I'm okay with the butt stuff, you know, and it could be graphic. It's sold by likeness.
It's a very effective way to, to take medications for instance or temperatures. Yeah. And they
scanned everything and I mean, I mean everything. Actually, that's an interesting, that's an
interesting additional layer to the conversation is, do they scan you with clothes on or off?
And how does that impact on price? I can pretty much guarantee you they will eventually be once.
Oh, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. So I think, dude, at that much money, at the amount of,
but see that's the thing is I feel like our principles and our thresholds would not be
that dissimilar. Like I would fully recognize that for you,
I think I'd have to tell you to get the bag.
How does that impact work though? Because if you're, if you tell me,
I think I say, look, we'll figure it out. Take the bag, fly free.
Take the bag. No, no, no, no, no, no. I think I say, take the bag.
And we'll figure it out. And we meme on it.
Yeah. Okay. Then I would do it, but I have to assume your contract stipulates that we can't
like, you know, shit on bite dance for using it. Probably. I think, I think if anything,
you know how I am, I'm going to try and figure out how to monetize it. Sure.
So we add like a monthly segment to WAN Show. I did. Blah, blah, blah. How is it going?
Reacting to reacting to Luke. Yeah. In this scenario, I'm totally down.
In this scenario, I'd probably do it for less than that. Oh, because that sounds funny.
That sounds hilarious. Oh no. I think that could bring me down to the five.
You're going to be a better negotiator in this situation than they would.
They'd have to like give you, like, give you a, a.
I want to commission. I want to commission. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want hat like dance. I want half of what you saved
Yeah, I mean it sounds fair
Because now that just sounds really funny. Yeah
You're showing your hand. Yeah, it's not gonna happen. Yeah, dude Right dance is not offering a millions of dollars for the like this a loop find some other beauty
Oh
100% oh man, how bad would an AI Wansho be I
Mean we could do it. I feel like it'd be an interesting video. They have those
There's like notebook LM and all the other kind of stuff that can yeah eight podcasts based on information
So we could we could feed it. We could feed it every Wansho ever
And then we could feed it the news and the notes for the week
That would I I'd watch it Just to see I watch it with morbid curiosity. Yeah every once in a while people like I'd skip around
I wouldn't watch the whole thing but like yeah every once in a while people link me those like
Like a fake ai video thing of me or an fake ai audio thing of me and I'll often check it out just out of
Yeah morbid curiosity, but it's not like it's not a fun watch
Yeah, it's an intriguing watch Yeah, that that that AI cartoon tv show one like I I watched like three minutes of it
Yeah, I was just like it's kind of gross But I basically need to know like do I need to inform my family?
Uh, because every once in a while I'll send one like this is where we're at now. So
Be aware a couple people in Floatplane chat. Um
Oh, shoot. I found yeah. Cobbie. I think we can all agree 750 bucks is way too low. Yeah
I I I agree that for literally anyone 750 dollars is too low for this very desperate people
I'm not surprised they found some people that I just think they should be paying more. I agree
I'm not saying those people should you know Drive a hard bargain and potentially miss out on it if 750 dollars is us is a situation changing amount of money
I'm not saying you should have more principal. This isn't coming from that place over your head or not
I'm just saying that bite dance can afford to pay better and they should yeah
That's what I'll say and then rate in 428 says Linus. You turned down a hundred million dollars. So what's your price?
That's different. I turned down a hundred million dollars because I was concerned about
More than just My likeness in fact, I wasn't even really that concerned about my likeness because the new ownership wouldn't be able to make me say
anything that I didn't want to say like that was
That was 100 clear in the deal that I that I
Would never be forced to be a mouthpiece. You know, one of the things that I explicitly brought up early on in the conversation
Was like look, you know, we have our standards around the sponsors that we're willing to take. I'm not going to hawk gambling products
I'm not going to hawk alcohol products. That's that's never going to happen And you guys are going to have to understand that that Linus media group comes with the principles that
That underpin Linus media group as an organization. They were totally they were totally fine with that
The concern for me was more around
Losing the ability to steer the organization and losing the ability to
Ensure that we would continue to work on the environment for the team
once I no longer have the final say on
Hiring and dismissals It's possible for things to go extremely badly and when I say final say I don't mean that I exercise that on a day-to-day basis
I'm not micromanaging Taryn and the rest of our leadership
People need to have the autonomy to make decisions. What I mean is that if we are doing something wrong
He micromanages me. It's terrible It's all a lie. We hardly talk
We like catch up on wenshow they know this
It's such a liar
The point Is that I I would be I would be I would I would be putting us
Okay
I'd be putting us in a position where if we had taken the offer
Months later, we would have gone through the august controversy
our revenues went down And we would have lost people over that
That's not okay. Yeah, there wouldn't drops Um 100% like literally I know the financials quick fast and literally I have a pretty good idea of what
a more dollars and cents
in and out revenue flows based management
Would have wanted to do I think there's also got to be some amount like I know that was your your core reason
We talked about it a bunch, but I think we haven't talked about this as much
But I think it's come up at least a couple times. I'm sure it was some amount of the decision
was the What would you call it like lineage aspect like your names all over it?
Yeah, but I mean, I think that's a heavy part of you know, the ai likeness conversation too
Right like it's um, it's the the legacy. I guess. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, the word not lineage legacy. Yeah
Yeah, um And the I think the other big one is that I didn't feel that the money would change my my life that much
I'm already extremely blessed. Um, I'm already
Extremely grateful to our community that means that I you know live in a comfortable home. I drive a nice car
I I I enjoy a really nice lifestyle that
Um I don't value I don't value fancy labels on my clothes. I don't value it's a pretty fancy label on that
Actually, this is a wonderful. This is a wonderful design from sarah
Um, but it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't cost $400. You know get yours today lttstore.com
Right like I I don't I don't value a lot of the I don't value, um, you know collecting fine art
Like some of the things that people find ways to spend tens of millions of dollars. I I don't value them
So fine art is often financial scams
Or like like laundry like moving funds around. Yeah that that I get or storing it without paying taxes or
Storing it while gaining tax benefits
because you like Donate it to a museum or whatever. Oh, I see there's like a lot of weird mechanisms with art
Sure, so maybe I just i'm not enlightened enough on the the benefits of
You know collecting your bro to do an art, but I just bring it to your other bro
Bro appraises it you donate it
tax break There's uh, there's a lot of wacky stuff, right? Obviously, it's not exactly that easy, but like and that's not to say that
I have cheap taste either I mean
I commissioned a solid gold xbox control which has
Been a wonderful gained value wonderful investment pun intended. Yeah
Yeah, I oh man So there's a lot of reasons I didn't take it. I still think realistically for like
AI slot me I'd have a price But the one stipulation that I would I think I could hold firm on almost no matter the amount
Is that I would want it time delineated So I would want I would want some
Period after which for sure the license to my likeness goes away
and so the idea that I'm selling like alien soup in
48 20 or something. Yeah, that's not yeah, can we not please
It's ridiculously unlikely, but I'd just rather know that like it dies with me, you know
Binky draws says your taste is ironically tacky, but it's slowly becoming unironically tacky
I don't know. I think these I think these when logo ear cushions are I think they're kind of sick pretty cool
I like them Okay, you know what? No. No, I I'm I'm gonna get into it with you. I'm gonna get into it with you
I want an example of my unironically tacky taste hit me hit me we should we should have like a
The entire Porsche brand cannot be tacky. Please. I am I am not going to make this
I'm just gonna be very clear But we should have like a call a user feature for creators on flow plane
So you could just be like nope. You're live now. We're calling you
I'm not making can we do that? Is that a thing we could do?
I mean you could use the same type of things that like discord. Yeah, there's got to be like plugins or something
There would be ways to do it. We're not doing it. We have so many other things to do
But it it would be feasible technically
The users would have to like allow the mic usage and stuff like they would have obviously they've controlled the business opportunity
Do you have any idea how much more people would pay? Just for the tier that has the chance that we could possibly consider calling them
Yeah, we don't even have like gifted gifts yet or tv apps and stuff
I think if we may have free trials we made even paid trials for certain other features
I think the flow plane. I think the floaters would crystals got her wallet out already
I think it's a cool feature. It would be very hard to make I think
I don't think it would I bet there's something we could basically plug in source things are out there in that realm
Maybe there is good stuff, but I've never looked into it. I bet our buddies. Uh, what's the never once looked into it
What's the void solution that we use for remote land show again?
Oh t3 Mostly moved over to something. No, but that's what he meant. You're right. Yeah. Yeah, we got changed
But that's no t3 chat. Yeah. No, not t3 chat. That's the other thing if we like ping dot gg brought fio in
As like a thing and he could like talk about it on his channel making it or something
I he probably just And he's probably capable. See this is what this is what i'm saying. I actually
I think not gg. Yeah in modern era. Oh, I actually don't think that that's man. What if that big of a technology?
See the gears are spinning the gears are spinning. I think there's a micromanaging him right now
I think there's a way I just thought of a way that you could the t3 chat thing was actually an interesting one because I was thinking it had to
Be on the on the base platform. No, it shouldn't have to be but if it could just open another tab. Yeah
It would be like way easier. Yeah, because I was thinking like yeah, anyways
Yeah, just some kind of automatic authentication and then bippity boppity
Microphone pop up Maybe even camera pop up. You could theoretically you could theoretically that's very we should never do that. No, we should probably never do that
Unless we have like a significant, uh, we should have to take delay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, I think we'd I think we'd have to finally have a tape delay Dan
How hard would it be to do a tape delay for WAN Show? Not entirely sure. We have a multi quarter thing which will do forms of like live replays. So
I mean, it's physically possible Okay
Tim zero zero zero x3 and hopefully chat said I I am very naked
That's why the webcam only goes to here for me too
It's all just cropped Dan just does the way show bottomless
I mean, it's Friday night. Come on. I mean, they don't technically know right now that we're not all bottomless
Yeah, I took the feet cam away. Yeah, so they don't know
They have no idea
Oh man, that would be a whole other level of chaos for when show I uh,
This is not necessarily real conversation right now. I'm
We'd have to have a more in-depth more
Let's lay out all the potential problems conversation before we would consider anything like that
Dad just missed me
That's actually wild Apparently my mom my mom just benched 110. Yeah, she could almost benchy vaughn. That's crazy. Yeah
That's awesome My my dad's just been doing this thing where they'll like rack weights on the bench and he'll she'll just be like
It's whatever amount right and he'll just be like yep, and it's
She just does it every time It's like not not a suggestion. Don't do that
But yeah That's crazy considering her weight too. Like that's actually nuts. That's awesome
All right. Yeah mom. Good job Uh, what are we supposed to be doing? Oh, yes the flow plane announcement. This is a really exciting one
This is hardly even us, you know doing promotion. This is just oh, yeah
This is just freaking out. Okay. Have you seen it? No, not at all. I've been waiting for it to launch a flip. It's so
good This was this was p this this series was peak
Uh Channel Super Fun Channel Super Fun
Is off hiatus Let's go
Let's go But the temporarily one video one episode. Yeah one video only as scrapyard wars reaches its midpoint
We want to give the team an extra week to finish up the last couple of episodes
But we don't want to leave our floaters empty-handed
So we've got you guys early access to the new Channel Super Fun video to celebrate us
getting off hiatus
or Unless Here it is
How hard is it to beat professional athletes nerd sports episode
10 I think they mean six, but sure. Yeah, wait, why 10 episode x?
um This is great. Nerd sports is back, baby The keyboard warriors face off against professional badminton players jenny and gregory mayors in the most fair and balanced showdown in all of sports
Asterisk asterisk this competition is neither fair nor balanced. That's right. My friends. It's just like the old nerd sports
Oh, would it but no spoilers no spoilers
But I will play a little bit of it for you guys. It is the oh do they have my audio?
Uh, no, you're playing in the background as well Yeah, but uh one second one moment, please
Uh, am I though? Oh, yes, I am. There's the tab. I found it. Look at that
Uh, oh really? Oh
They'll just okay, sure. Finally won't hear it. They can hear it now. Uh, so anyway, I do like a coaching session with my boys
um, and ladies They see how real athletes warm up. They try their best to follow along
It's pretty great They watch their warm up
I can't
Oh, yeah, sorry. Here's my coaching session with the boys and ladies
I get them to try to hit some shuttles. It's next. It's great. That's good. Do that again
Here we go. Here we go. Ah Yeah, uh, and then we play and there's all kinds of fun things. I've got my wheel of pain here
I get to spin the wheel of pain whenever Basically, I feel like it and I can give different rackets to the pros
um They have to wear eye patches at some point. It's it's a it's a laugh and
Greg and Jenny these guys were such good sports about the whole thing
They're professional athletes and so
They can't they kind of can't help it like They want to win, you know, but we really didn't make it easy on them
That's the whole that's that's what that's nerd sports, man
You got to find a way for the nerds to win or to have a chance at least we have to find a way for the nerds to have a chance
Gotta be close. Um I don't want to I don't want to spoil too much, but it's a great video. It's a great watch
You guys are gonna enjoy the absolute heck out of it and I'm gonna go ahead and set that public right
Now we also have a behind the scenes that
Um Is what?
Oh, we have it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's extras Oh, okay. We have me playing the badminton pros
Uh, apparently this is about nine minutes long. I apparently shot a little intro
I was actually playing pretty decent that day, but
Obviously, they are literally professionals. So
Yeah, you know that sort of thing they can just kind of
Dunk on me like that. Do you see that deception there?
That's actually that's not a bad bad backhand, but it's effortless. You see that you see what he did. Oh, that was brutal
Yikes Linus watch his racket
Oh that Socks and I hit it out. Anyway, so yeah, we have me playing a playing a set with them. Respect the dive. Thank you. Thank you
I do my best. All right. I'm gonna set that public now. That is up on flow plane
So the main video mainline video will be going up on Channel Super Fun
But the the extras of me playing them is gonna be behind the scenes
All right What are we supposed to be doing now Dan?
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All right, what do you want to what do you want to talk about Luke? Do you want to talk about some?
Let's see here. What do we got Intel grabs hold of two billion dollars
Uh, definitely an amount that I would accept for my likeness
Uh, and in just in case anyone's shopping uh in an ocean of uncertainty after many years of rush rough financial seas
Intel stock is soaring with a rally of over 28
percent Wow, uh after softbank a japanese investment conglomerate has agreed to invest
Two billion dollars into it nothing ever goes bad after softbank invests into anyone
Um, they they invested into Intel's future in a commitment to advanced technology and semiconductors in the united states
A lot of the press briefings circle around the increased manufacturing of chips for ai in the us itself. Okay
This new investment comes after the trump administration announced It is in talks with Intel to turn money pledged under biden into 10 ownership of Intel
Just after just a few weeks after Intel's ceo took a little ride aboard the white house's
metaphorical emotional abuse roller coaster which we talked about previously on WAN Show not only that
But trump has been strong arming other chip makers with uh requirements to AMD and vidya to i'm pretty sure they propose this
Not trump's strong around them, but either way uh to AMD and vidya to pay 15 commission on sales in china in exchange for
Export licenses. I'm pretty sure that was a pitch from them. I don't i'm pretty sure AMD and vidya were like look
Let us do this. We will pay you 15 percent not not the other way around i could be wrong with that
But i'm just i think i think that's what happened We have a discussion question if the u.s government owns part of one of the chip makers
What kind of malerkey should the others expect? Yeah, this is um, this is pretty interesting
This is this is one of those things where
If it wasn't coming from the party of small government and free market, I would find it less confusing
But overall, I don't necessarily think it's the dumbest move in the world. I mean we've talked a fair bit about
It's norway, right that has the sovereign wealth fund. Yeah, um, that's worked out pretty good for them
mostly, um I sent you that gonna get a bailout of some kind and
How much better of a position would you know the american sovereign wealth fund be if the bailouts that they'd done during the
2008 financial crisis had granted them equity in those companies like
Uh, you know what if you're gonna bail something out? I kind of don't disagree that you should probably get something for your trouble
If the taxpayers are gonna pay for it the taxpayers should probably get the dividends
but I mean that's where we sort of run into trouble with this is
What Pray tell evidence are you going to provide that the taxpayers will receive said dividends?
Yeah, it's gonna go to like $7,000 trash cans for military planes and stuff
Womp womp Neat
I thought you were gonna pick good news What good news
LZT has switched back to 16 by 9
After years of releasing our videos in a two by one aspect ratio across most of our channels
We are returning to the very sane 16 by 9 aspect ratio
David mr. David Goatier. Why did you italicize very sane?
In this sentence I
What are you trying to say, sir
We had chosen to buy one as a compromise between 16 by 9
and wider aspect ratios like you would find on ultra wide monitors or
many phones then and now Um to reduce letterboxing on as many displays as possible
Now hold on just a gosh darn second But then we realized that was stupid
And that users can zoom in on a video to fill their screen if they really care now hold on just a gosh darn minute mr. Goatier
We've never really worked with safe zones a little bit of editorialization
we've never really We've never really worked with safe zones. And so um, I felt that it was a simpler approach to have
smaller areas of potential Ingress
On the top and the bottom so we didn't have to worry too much about like where our mogarts and lower thirds and various graphics
Showed up in order to avoid things being clipped
But the main reason that we're switching back now is that Colton and the business team have been in talks with some
um like
I get what what would I what would I call them? Are they called ott?
like the the Like t like basically like tv channel feeds like app based
App based. Oh, yeah, they have a name content feeds. I can't remember ot a no not
Over the set up like, uh, I think it's ott is it ott. Well, whatever the point is over the top
They want 16 by 9 And so now we're going back through our entire catalog of content and going
Whoops
Fast that's it free ad support is dreaming. That's it. That's it for sure. Thank you
Yeah, move ready. So Yeah, we're so we're going back to 16 by 9 and we're probably just going to have to start using safe zones. Yes, daniel beser who
apparently lost his um
Talking privileges or something so he wrote it like this on the dock instead of just saying it
Well, to be fair, it was like a merch message earlier. So I thought you would just
Pop in some discussion with that. That's fine. You can write a message if you like. I'm just saying you could also talk to us
No, just whatever you do. Don't don't let dms talk make him sit there
Stop it
Don't hit me don't stop
I'm just realizing dank can really just voice act anything that's happening back there
Don't stand like that
I will not You don't pay me enough for that
Oh my god, we gotta buy his likeness
Okay, five bucks Okay, sir five bucks. I would do that. I would buy your likeness or five bucks. I don't know what I'd do with it
Well, it's only going to one of you bidding more time. I can figure it. Oh, I'm a business
I only pay you tuesday for your likeness today Okay
Uh pixel peeping the new pixels Google had their made by google 25 event which they announced in which they announced several new devices
The pixel 10 pixel 10 pro pixel 10 pro xl pixel 10 pro fold pixel buds 2a and pixel watch 4
Wow, the phones feature their new tensor g5 chip which according to google has 60 more power on the tpu
And is 34 faster on CPU compared to last year's tensor g4 chip the pixel 10
Except the fold lineup will be isim only for the us models while other regions will retain their physical sim trays
And the pixel 10 pro fold is the first foldable with an ip68 rating meaning it has a pretty solid dust and water resistance
Would have come in handy for me once. Yep. I can remember that
Google also announced that their devices are getting pixel snap
Which is basically using the new chi 2 wireless charging standard that allows
Snapping of magnetic accessories to the back of the device
Okay, google is launching some of their own as well like the pixel snap charger pixel snap cases and pixel snap ring stand
Why don't you care about megsafe? No, i'm sorry pixel snap. Excuse me. That's why
It's like, oh, they're finally catching up. I mean, it's a big feature for iphone people
I I personally don't have too many occasions where I need to magnetically attach my phone to stuff
Maybe i'm just thinking inside the box ecosystem. Yeah
Where well, when would I do that? Should I do it now? Should I stick it to something like I?
My phone lives in my pocket Yeah
Yeah, you know what no I lied. I lied my minivan. Yeah, my minivan doesn't have Android auto
Yeah, so if I if I had a magnetic doodad nicer than clamping it in
Yeah, yeah, I'd probably they also actively charge so it's easier to just like toss it on a thing when it's going to magnetize to the right spot
Um, okay, I think it's cool. I still use a cable to charge. Yeah
Maybe because we're google boomers
Google boomers. Yeah, this is the thing. Are we making this a thing? Yeah
No, the reason the reason I use my cable is because I have my phone in bed next to me
Uh, because I listen to my bluetooth earphones and because plex is a giant piece of
Phone doesn't need to be in bed with you my well. No because my video stops all the time
Because plex is a giant piece of shit Have you have you thought about jelly finnan? I have
I am gonna wait until Ashtack gets their hexos integration with jelly fin
And then I am just gonna have it be easy
Yep, it's it's amazing how many years
Plex has just like not been able to just indefinitely play video
Like there's no like there's no reason for it. You know, it's not like netflix where it's like
Yeah, at some point they're probably not watching so we should save bandwidth like it's my bandwidth
Yeah on my wi-fi you shouldn't care. Um, like years and years and years ago
I would I would wake up in the morning and like my show would still be playing
These days it'll last. I don't know anywhere from one to five episodes
And usually I fall asleep in that time so it doesn't really matter
But like why can't you do it? And if there's an error
I don't care Don't tell me about it
Process it in the background with the buffer that you already have
And start playing it again at the point of the buffer like why do I have to explain to you how to play a freaking video?
What is happening a bunch of the omega nerds in full-plane chat are saying mb
Yeah Don't know about that
Jelly fin seems to be the one that's getting the
It seems to be the one that's like being pushed forward faster. I know mb was the play for a long time
But i'm a dude i'm super i'm super frustrated with plex at this point. I just like can't I can't anymore for forever
um, so yeah, maybe maybe what i'll do is i'll
I'll do like a mb versus jelly fin. I'll figure it out. I just
it's so Pedious moving over like a big media library. Yeah, we gotta keep upgrading the house, man
Yeah I just i'm getting a headache just thinking about dealing with all of the like file naming
crap Is is there like a migration tool?
I mean Probably but part of the problem is that I I have never
Done all my file naming properly in the first place. Oh look at you
So I have like thousands of Linux isos that don't have proper naming and plex mostly figures it out
So it doesn't really matter Except when it does and it's really annoying. So thinking about doing that for everything is just very overwhelming
I don't understand what plex is doing. So you guys were there
We actually used it for me for the first time plex is like new business, which is
Uh, free ad supported television. It's very confusing. We watched doctor strange love
It was Okay, I do have a plex pass. So maybe this impacts it, but it was completely free
It had no ads The quality was
Great, like it it streamed it. I forget how many megabit it was, but it was it was nice
Oh, it was like 50. Yeah, it was too high. It was great. It was amazing
And i'm kind of sitting here going Okay, so step one
completely f*** up the, you know
traditional piracy use case
step two question mark
Build whatever the f*** this is with like free
TV streaming step three profit like what are they making money? Does plex make money?
I have no idea. I've it's been fascinating lately to find out how many companies
don't And are just funded by constant rounds of vc and investors
It's actually like wild Very interesting to me. It's such a weird space because
We never took investment money. Yeah, but like it's a huge thing
Weird Okay, well, here's an article from
January of last year Streaming media company plex raises 40 million dollars as it nears
profitability
The new round which has not yet been disclosed was initially said to be larger than plex's 50 million growth round closed a few years ago
We now understand it's 40 million a rep for plex has confirmed
The funds will help fuel the company's push toward profitability expected by year-end or just after
Uh Okay, thank you for it. Okay. Thank you for that
plex's real world valuation is unknown as the company hasn't raised outside funds in some time preferring to work with its existing set of investors
Now I might be I might be misunderstanding investment
So is investment a hole in the hole in the ground where you keep putting money
Is that investment this is this is where I find things to be kind of confusing because it seems like
Like there's some companies That I have been it's raf2k says I love edging profits
That's pretty funny. Um, there are some companies that I've been exposed to information recently where they like
Have like never made money have been around for a very long time
Mm-hmm, and who knows if they're ever going to and if they're going to it's not gonna
There's no like plan for them to like make a bunch
You know It's weird This is and there's obviously there's always the sell the company kind of grift thing
You try to get big enough It's like it's like the whole like don't make revenue idea
Because you try to get big enough and look scary enough But don't actually really actualize so that you can sell to someone big so they can like shut you down basically
Because they see you as a potential threat or you can they don't know how much of a threat
So they just want to buy you to get or you can sell to like, uh, you know a drug add old billionaire or something sure
Yeah, there's always that see this this this right here like they're saying the quiet part out loud
We have the most supportive investors of any Valerie said I feel like funding has never been a concern of ours
I mean Maybe your customers would be less pissed off at you
If you felt like funding was a concern and you needed them to like you
Yeah, like you know like I feel I feel like not being concerned about where your next meal is going to come from
Might breed a little bit of urgency when it comes to dealing with long-standing issues on the platform
Just saying just I don't know. Maybe it's crazy. Probably crazy
All right, well, yeah, good luck with that. Um, what else we got?
Let's see. Oh wait, we weren't done talking about the pixel. Yeah, the pixel event
All right, the pixel watch 4 gets a brighter screen Um, 3 000 nits 16 smaller bezels and has a domed display that gives about 10 percent more visible screen space neat
Starts at 350 bucks and claims 30 hours of battery life
The buds 2a cost 130 bucks and include the tensor a1 chip this time around
Also comes with a and c active noise cancelling and a slightly better charging case. Finally, there's the pixel flex dual
67 watt charger The device can charge up to two devices at a max of 60 watts each and will detect when a pixel device is plugged in
And prioritize that device to charge it
quote first and faster
Okay Neat but also
Oh my god, no So two things here number one
We need to stop f***ing with the usbc standard
It's barely a standard already And the last thing the absolute
Last thing on earth that I or anyone needs is more usbc devices
That have proprietary Handshakes and bullshit
Stop entire industry right now. It's time to stop. I also think like no one asked for this number two
Have a priority port Give me control over it. Maybe I want to charge my phone to my laptop
But I actually don't prefer to charge my phone right now faster. I want to charge my laptop faster
Did you ever think of that?
Am I missing something here?
You should just have a priority port it should be labeled and then I can pick
Yep Oh my god
Discussion question Linus you had debated switching to the samsung fold 7 soon
Do you think this pixel fold Is a compelling option considering it is 200 us dollars cheaper than the samsung or will you still be going with the samsung?
Um, I will
I I kind of miss my my one UI. I kind of want to go samsung first
And it's that's gonna huh man. See I kind of feel like I've got my order of operations wrong here because
I still haven't quite finished my graphino s switch I did figure out some of the challenges I was having having I'm in touch with someone from there and I I think I'm
Basically ready to like switch over to it. I just need to set aside like
It takes so long for me to switch devices, dude And like I don't want to blame you but like
You know you're part of the problem. Why because if I want to okay
For instance if I set aside a time for myself to switch all my stuff over like say for instance
Uh, it's at 11 p.m. I'm like
I don't know how to migrate like my pass keys. I literally don't even know how that stuff works anymore
just my work accounts just like prompted me one day and
Like I I literally can't sign into stuff without this phone some of them
I need to sit down with someone from it And figure out what the crap is going on with all of my authentication factors because I'm not going to lie to you
It's one of those things that's so much easier to just
Dismiss every time I do it versus like fix. I still have accounts that prompt me for a ube key
Okay, you have to own some of this. I do okay, but I'm gonna blame you for another thing
I'm okay with at least some amount of that, but holy crap, dude
My god unique username says pass keys are
Not what we were promised. Oh my god, right? So I get a notification on my phone. I unlock my phone
I have to click a thing. I get prompted for a f***ing fingerprint again
I wait and it's like it's like seven to eight interaction. I could have typed a password
Oh my god Anyway, the other one is I can't get into my badminton club
Without requesting a new invitation to my identity system
And I know we're working with the unify we're working with the ubiquity on that
But like I literally can't even sign into all my stuff on my own
I hate it So much one of those is to save
Incredible amounts of money. I know I know so to bother you to sign in
One time in an annoying way every time I switch a phone
Sox one annoying time every time you switch a phone which you could delegate to like vance
So you don't even have to do it I'm just I'm just wondering that we are saving so much money
I know for one small extremely easily solvable not even doesn't even have to be by you step
I just hate the way ubiquity handles that so that the enterprise versus the regular identity app and something something fee per user
Smash chance has lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of users because all of its members have their key fobs
And so we have to use the not enterprise one and literally the only way to sign into the not enterprise one is to get an invitation from your
it department you cannot initiate it yourself
Wait, unless you give me the ability to initiate it to myself shot. Why shot?
Why? Why do you think? Because you're afraid I'll be too efficient
At administrating it and I'll make you look bad
I am a little bit afraid of your level of efficiency
Way to say a notification comes in
And just solving the problem right away, you know
Okay, sorry, I just saw I saw a name in my notifications every time I see my grandfather's name in a notification
I need to check right away. Uh-huh. He's still alive. Nice. All right
Whoa, what? What did you do to that? I didn't I didn't do it. It must have been ran over by the
Must be your acid freaking skin or something. What? No. Yeah, you'd like destroy everything you touch. That is true
This is like unironically true Is that your headphone cord? Yeah. Yeah, okay. I'll replace that. I don't know if you can see that from here
Don't you worry? I don't think man. That's a Dan task. I think it's I don't want to be that guy
But I really don't think replacing a cord is a Dan task might just be a no one task
Oh, I mean like I've got one I've got one on the shelf. They can just like sure these ones are replaceable
But I think that we should just
Let's just throw out the headphones. We're not gonna throw out the headphones But we we need better headphones. Don't we? I mean, I'm gesturing vaguely at the man sitting next to me
Need is such a strong word. That could be a video maybe like we wear them for four hours a week
And you complain the entire time. I do not that that is uh, I complain the entire okay sure
I complain a lot on wancho not about these 208 hours a year you just complain about headphones. That's what your life is now be gone
Be banished Fly
Fly fool Wait, have we still not done the ai sharpening topic?
No, holy bananas. Oh
YouTuber ret shul posted a video last thursday investigating
What appeared to him to be ai enhancements being applied to youtube shorts without the creator's knowledge or consent
After fellow music youtuber rick beto contacted shul with example posts from his instagram and youtube accounts
and I got to say the difference is
It's pretty interesting. Uh, we're not going to play his whole video because that's not how we do our react content
That is a lens. That is a lens and a half that was chosen here. Don't worry about it. But look at this
You see that shift You see as he's shifting between youtube shorts and instagram
How different the same piece of content looks and you can you can tell from the interface here
Yeah Okay, so this sparked a whole lot of conversation
Um, and shul's video included some experiments of his own seeing the same effect was
Seeing the same effect on his own videos that was impacting beto's videos
He went on to find a reddit thread discussing the same effect showing up on some of hank greens shorts
Then the plot thickens after we reported on the story on monday's TechLinked youtube responded
With an explanation Okay, technically youtube responded to a guy who retweeted a reposted clip originally tweeted out by some other guy who
Clipped it from monday's tech link video, but you know what?
We're counting it. What accounts youtube liaison renee richie said that this is an experiment that does not
involve generative ai or upscaling
What it is intended to do is unbler
denoise and improve clarity using
traditional machine learning techniques
What Where's the line richie also said the experiment was only running on a limited number of shorts
But as far as we could tell it's pretty widespread
Responses on twitter were almost universally opposed to using any sort of ai which that is
Well, generally how people have considered it. Yes. Okay. It was hauled ai
Until we got new stuff that we called ai and this will happen again
We will stop calling Predictive llms ai because they're not once another layer comes out and then that's just gonna keep going. Yes
um And I I I remember like committing to not call what we have ai and call it machine learning forever
But what I realized is that I couldn't continue doing that forever because it's confusing because because people get confused
Yeah, who don't understand the distinction Everything we have now is machine learning all of it. None of it is ai
We could call it generative machine learning or whatever, but it is certainly not an intelligence of any sort and is
That falls far short of what we think in science in science fiction terms
Of yeah, what ai is supposed to mean. Yeah the like 80s idea of ai
Yes, we don't have it. Not a thing. We're not close. Yeah
Others pointed out the trend of companies avoiding the term generative ai in favor of the less threatening sounding traditional machine learning
Yeah, still others pointed out that when every video looks like it's been made with ai
It's going to be a lot harder to identify the ones that actually are
Made with ai and it says Dan has a clip
See it for yourself side by side comparison of the same clips downloaded from youtube and insta. All right hit it
Which one looks more sharp, I mean the one on the left looks way sharper. Yeah. Yeah, definitely left by a lot
I like too much
Makes me think our cameras are really blurry
Oh, this is an interesting one too because you can see it in the artifacts. Yeah
You could really see it when I spun in the chair and look at the scrolling big artifacts
Like that. It's maybe your video works
This is one of those things where better is not always better
Well, it's it's I think it's not better Well, it's it it is more sharp
And sharpness is generally considered to be a brutal though. Sure, but I just mean like uh, like
You could create a lot of metrics And you could use those metrics that you created to measure the one on the left as being better. Yeah
But better Is not always better. We had this the right side looks much more natural
Yeah Yeah, I didn't feel that mine looked as bad as some of the examples I saw though
Like I I think those examples are particularly cherry-picked and this was just a random one. No, I don't I don't think that either
I just think that maybe
Whether it's our camera we use or whether it's that that particular video
Like there were certainly areas where it looked really bad, but for the most part
I I I didn't I felt it looked like over-processed, but I didn't feel it looked like a I
Scrappy dp and full playing chat said peter mckinnon made a video recently on not sharpening your content because youtube is applying
It's so hard after the upload that actually makes a ton of sense
Interesting idea Our discussion question here is is it okay to take a short creator's control away?
In terms of what their content looks like and what's to stop youtube from going on and applying these enhancements to
Everything to long-form videos tv shows films delivered by the platform
Where's the line and I would say the line is in the rear view mirror
Way back there The second youtube does any processing to your video and they do it and they do it on every
Single video that is served by the platform. They are impacting the look and that's not a battle that was never a war
That's how it's going to go. In fact instagram is also applying processing
And what we're watching on the instagram side is their interpretation
Mostly probably optimized to save on to save on bandwidth
Of what your original file was
Even your original file you upload is processed and is sort of approximated
Compared to what your sensor saw And even that is an approximation
However, I think that we can all agree that
Making things look more Over-processed and ai generated is not good and this seems to be
Over the line That seemed yeah, I like that
Okay, neat good one
What do we got next I don't know why don't you pick something you want to pick something?
Yeah, that's it's pretty interesting cool. Seagate tries an exciting new kind of raid earlier this year
He's doing good. All right earlier this year seagate security teams working alongside
Malaysian authorities conducted a raid on a counterfeit hard drive operation. These are man. I would love to see one of these
Right, that would be so interesting. How was that? How was it even possible? That would be fascinating
I always find remember the genuine Intel CPU thing
like what
I would love to see the place. Sorry Intel, but I would love to see the place that makes non genuine Intel CPU's
You mean AMD. Anyway carry on
Oh Those are some spicy how the turntables have turned school war words. Yeah
um anyways the the the raid uncovered nearly 700 seagate drives in various models with capacities up to 18
terabytes Along with drives from other manufacturers the drives are believed to have come from china where they were used to sore
Chia, which is I think a storage currency. Yeah
And sold off after that cryptocurrency became you know unprofitable used drives had their smart values reset oof
Data wiped and were cleaned relabeled and repackaged
So okay, I see sometimes is a more valuable model than they started out as and were then sold at discounted rates on local
e-commerce platform This was a whole thing and seagate has probably invested
significant resources chasing this bull it down instead of like
Working on things that are valuable to their business. I actually really feel for them in this situation. Yeah, that's brutal like not on
There and I mean maybe they could do more to prevent their smart values from being overwritten, but like
I don't know should they have seen this coming. I don't know Maybe this has happened before that i'm not aware of and they like should have seen this coming and should have done better, but
I don't know you you You build a bigger lock and someone's gonna build a bigger bolt cutter, right like I I also don't quite
They got they got really kind of f***ed on over this and that sucks. It's not it's just a bigger delay
Ideally, there's there's nothing better than that
To try to reduce the impact of these scams seagate partners are now being required to purchase and resell drives
exclusively from authorized distributors And this is why we can't have nice things because I would love for you to be able to you know
buy and sell and and
Move older parts around as needed
But now all of a sudden we need this like central administration of everything and tracking of everything and it and it legitimately adds cost
It's not that they're just gonna like you know gouge or whatever because there's no competition
But it legitimately adds overhead and cost and that just blows for everyone
Kind of wrecks the uh, the use market people are asking if server part deals is an authorized reseller. I don't know
Uh, someone want to look that up and figure it out Yeah, tim also points out it doesn't matter if they make their smart values harder to overwrite because
They can also just overwrite the smart values of cheap crap drives and call them seagate
I knew server part deals was legit. I didn't know if they were an authorized reseller
There aren't that many cheap crap hard drives out there like there's only a handful of hard drive manufacturers even left
So i'm not a hundred percent sure on that one, but anyway, apparently they are an authorized retailer nice
um Very cool. I'm not surprised. They're they're very legit, but
Yeah, but yeah, so seagate has implemented a global trade screening process to try to identify suspicious suppliers
And see it reminds customers or sort of consumers to exercise caution when buying drives from non major retailers or third-party sellers
Toward the blue in Floatplane chat also says your viewers should know that seagate released a tool
Where you can check values that are not able to be rewritten
So that's pretty cool. At least they're that is very cool. At least they're doing things about this even though
None of this should have happened and people should just not be butt heads. Um
Hilbert gilbertson Said that it's in c-tools, which makes sense very cool
The rog xbox ally has gotten a release date alongside a new game verification program before we go into that really quick
I just want to say it's kind of cool that that was negative news, but had an interesting and cool story
Yeah, I thought you'd like that one. I like that. Yeah, that is very cool
I'd love to see one of these places that would be so wicked anyone from seagate watching like i'll i'll get on a plane
Let's go. Let's go check it out because like i feel it's like it
It feels like it'd be if like it's like the kind of thing where if like rick sanchez and like millhouse van houten
Like made a meth lab, you know like it's like tech meth lab like i'm that's what i'm kind of imagining
You know, I mean it would be it would honestly be a really good dexter dexter's in there somewhere and like uh like jason fox
you know like just I think it would be really good exposure for the
The communication they're trying to get across of like making sure you're getting legitimate drives
Yeah, making sure that you can check your drives using c-tools if you were going to buy off of the use market or something
You could check the drive before you actually do the exchange Um and promoting their whole authorized reseller thing. I think it makes a ton of sense and it would be wicked for content
I think seagate should do it with you. I think that would be fantastic Yeah, if anyone knows anyone who's at seagate like hit them up. That'll be wicked. Let's do it. That would be freaking awesome
Very cool. All right microsoft announced at gamescom that the new rog xbox ally handheld will be arriving on store shelves on october
16th and with it the new handheld compatibility program an initiative similar to the steam dex compatibility program designed to make more
Games ready to play on your supported xbox handheld
Like valves initiative there will be three tiers of rankings incompatible mostly compatible and handheld optimized
xbox also announced the gaming co-pilot beta via game bar a personalized ai gaming companion that helps you get to your favorite games faster
Improve your skills and it offers context to wear support based on what you're playing
Okay
After being spotted via benchmark leak steam machines are back on the menu boys
Let's go after months of rumors the existence of a valves fremont pc box slash console has been leaked
Through benchmarks on geekbench as well as some of the specs listed down below
The processor codenamed hawk point 2 is likely a refresh of phoenix 2
The younger and smaller cousin of the z1 extreme
valves first attempt to add a console like steam machine experience for at least nearly a decade ago to um
Whatever the opposite of fanfare is but
I I feel very strongly. I think we're in a different realm that this is a different time
This is a different valve a more focused valve and
It's a different Linux in no small part Thanks to the efforts that valve has made to push forward gaming on Linux very dramatically different Linux here
We have specs uh before you actually do that. Okay, uh, I'm gonna use this as a shameless plug for
Uh, the is 2025 the year of the Linux desktop part 1 and 2 articles on the lab site. Heck. Yeah
So, yeah, very different Linux. Sorry. Do you go ahead? Heck. Yeah. Uh, all right back here. So, okay, we get six cores
Nice little level three cache And
That's about all we know Oh, there you go
There's a geekbench score Good job everyone
I'm stoked I I I
Have had a little machine
sitting in my family room just like
Ready for steam os Yeah, it actually what does it have running on it now? It has an NVIDIA GPU and it uses an mxm module
So it's like non-trivial to put an AMD GPU in it. Whatever it doesn't matter. Just relax
Um, but I haven't been doing much with it. I think it still has Windows on it because um,
even the like the steam os alike I prefer AMD GPU's from my understanding
So it's been sitting there kind of waiting for steam os to be vendor agnostic and just like ready for any pc
Starting to you know hopes fading a little bit
But I think I could be convinced to just Huck it out of there and throw a throw a steam box in there. I'm
I'm I'm jazzed. I just I love the steam os experience
Especially for a not my only computer
spot Like in my family room where it's just like, yeah, I want to play
Um, okay cf stars had a had a free dlc
Yeah, I want to play the cf stars dlc That is like the perfect device and the perfect place to do that steam os is just zero bs
It boots straight into my stuff although microsoft is coming
They're coming with the competition kind of I mean have you seen it? No, I've been hands-on for enough. It's um
The efficiency gains that they are saying they've achieved are it's not steam os level efficient at least not now
But they're they're making gains Like they literally don't even render the desktop in the background when they're running in gaming mode on this new handheld
so Look, I don't have a ton of confidence either, but the xbox team got embedded with Windows like
When in and you can't deny that on xbox the xbox is an efficient machine
He has he has no hope look at him. Look at the hopelessness in his eyes. I
at this
But the hopelessness in your eyes. No, I'm I almost don't want them to do well. Oh microsoft. Yeah
I mean the ship has been sailed for so long that you can't see it on the horizon anymore
I want Linux to do well That's fair
They that's only fair. It's valid. It's fair and valid kill the Windows gaming and pissed on its grave
And then now like want it back. Yeah, like no, dude. We're all trying to move on
Sorry, but like no, they're they're they're the abusive xbox. It's done. They want you back though
Get out of here You better not you better not walk away
I did all my laptop. I've been gone for a long time
And it's been fine because they wasted all of the opportunities
Like I just I don't know it's dude. I picked up my laptop. So this is one of the qualcomm machines
I liquid metal spilled in my flow. Yeah
We'll make probably be a video. I'll try and fix it. Anyway The point is I switched back to my my snapdragon machine
And I grabbed it out of my bag when I was on set earlier working on the buying chromebooks for our kids
video that I did with david today And it was hot
It was closed And it was on. Yep. How is that still not fixed? Yep
That's insane and like the the fact that there's ads
In my freaking operating system is crazy. I mean there's ads in your mobile operating system. Yeah, that's true
And that's nuts and that makes me want to move we talked about the only thing keeping me on official Android right now
Is the the call screening? I think you might like graphing us. Yeah. Oh, I am rather certain
I would I want to switch over it is only call screen Somebody flagged a call screening option for me that I'll try
Okay during my switch if you try it and it works. I will switch
Yeah, a hundred percent. I'm gone Like I'm just I'm so tired of this. I want to own my own stuff and like I'm not even trying to like
I'm not even trying to be like traditional Linux nerd about it. I just get out of my things. Yeah
Get out of my way. Yes. Just get out of my way. I bought Windows
Off like I just yeah, what are you doing? I am so over it to get the ads out
Stop screwing with search like just Go away
Let me use my computer Windows itself stopped being like cool
Said quite a while ago. Yeah And they stopped it felt like they really stopped making things for me
Yeah, and they started just making things like annoying and inserting ads and doing all this garbage
So like, okay, you lost me after Windows 7 Windows 7 was amazing when's the last time microsoft like
Oh, no, they've done cool stuff with directx. Okay, never mind I feel like there used to be a lot more fanfare around like directx and gaming on Windows
And I mean this whole I mean
The news stripped down, you know Windows Gaming it just it feels like it's too late to me. That's fair. That's if they were working on this
remember member game mode when it was just like
Well, I don't even remember what was so bad about it, but I remember testing in the in the bench down just being like
What is this? Yeah Game store Windows live was like the worst thing ever. Yeah, it was pretty bad
Like microsoft gaming networking, I'm gonna say now
This is not a now, but when like forzer has been five came out was super annoying. It's super annoying to just like play halo randomly now
Like it's just uh Let fewer obstacles stop being incredibly. It's you know, the world is just like whoop when running Linux has been actually less annoying
oooof But actually the sickest of burns
Sickest of burns like it has been easier and less in my way
I have had to do things to it to make it okay less than Windows
Ouch like at this point just
I yeah, you know what device is likely to work really well and never get in your way or have anything like you know
Unbecoming about it what the trump phone
Good transition check this out
See this Yep, so this render of the trump phone
Is just an image that they ripped off
This accessory manufacturers website
Is that wild or what? Yeah, um
This is their upcoming t1 and it appears to be a samsung galaxy s25 ultra in spigans
And i'm so sorry if i'm saying this wrong S25 ultra thin fit case you can even see their logo under the photoshopped on american flag
What a what a lazy job You need to rip people off better our notes. Unfortunately say spagan
Looks photoshopped you can tell by the way it is
We all know that it's it looks photoshopped you can tell by the pixels the crazy part is it would have been so easy
To do this not terribly But that's the weirdest part for me. I know it would have taken seconds more. I know like
I I do kind of wonder when stuff like this happens and you know this might be
For critical because earlier in the show I talked about how like, you know, we're humans
We make mistakes sometimes But like when a mistake like that happens
I wonder like is this someone inside just being like, you know, I need a job
So i'm gonna do my job But also i'm gonna leave some like easter eggs in there that people will find so that people know this is stupid
I I I kind of wonder sometimes because that's a wild mistake
Yeah ripped off this case and just left the logo on it
I don't know The site um still has the old version of the quote-unquote the t1 phone that will never exist and isn't real. Yeah
How is this not such a huge tell for people?
Anyways, that's a longer conversation Moving on
NVIDIA throws a couple of bones to gamers
GeForce now NVIDIA's cloud gaming service can now run on rtx 5080 equipped servers
DLSS4 enables up to 120 FPS at 5k on pc and mac and had up to 90 FPS on the steam deck GeForce now app
Install to play lets you also install games on your cloud pc if the dev has enabled to steam cloud
streaming There is a bit of a catch you have to
Install your game every time and there is a finite amount of storage on your instance
You do have to pay extra to get more storage from my understanding So it's a little inconvenient to install your own games
But hey at least it's there bringing them a little bit closer to a more shadow-like experience
The NVIDIA app Can now automatically enable your preferred dLSS across all games and adds control for a few more settings
Like NVIDIA surround bringing it ever so slightly closer to being a viable replacement for the NVIDIA control panel
NVIDIA has also teamed up with discord bringing instant play experiences with GeForce now
Inside discord no install required just click a link from a friend and instantly load into a game to try it out
That's right. You can play any game you want as long as that game is fortnite
And you can only play for a 30 minute free trial. That is still nuts
That is that sounds like future. I haven't heard future in a while. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool
I mean Am I are we overestimating this? Is it literally just a link that opens a browser and you play the game in the bank?
It's still a cool thing. It's still cool. Game streaming is one of those things that I'm I I think is super cool
I I remember taking so much flak for that video. I did like years and years ago comparing latency of
local streaming over the internet streaming and then like
Rendering locally and saying anything other than that. This is horrible and we should all hate it and resist it
And people were like super mad at me about it. It's like here. We are it's pretty freaking cool and the latency once you're running at 120 FPS is
Not bad. I'm kind of approaching magic at that point. I mean, we know what goes on, but it's like I definitely would rather render locally, but like
If I didn't want to spend I mean, I was at Best Buy today for that chromebook video and it was
1700 canadian dollars for a 5080 I could buy a lot of f***ing g-force now
for 1700 canadian dollars
It's compelling
And that's it for topics it's time for after dark
Because I don't know where What did you find after dark is that exciting?
Yeah
I like the after dark part of the show always have
Yeah, you do when we get to hear from our lovely subscribers
Like jordan, thank you for the sexy merch pookies
Thanks jordan
My god, I know you don't get to hide you don't get to hide your camera if you're gonna do that
I've got a message here from fred. Oh, no
Happy birthday late. You're oldie
You're right. What ow what come on get rekt. What the heck fred and get rekt anonymous says nice shafts
This is what you curated today. Forget it. You're going away again. It's somebody curated. These are not mine
luke I didn't do it. Okay. Maybe they were accidents one of them was on purpose
The nice shafts absolutely, but would have been an accident. Yeah
I would have I would have responded in kind to our
lovely store participants. I feel like we need to have like track on who did it
I I I would actually be kind of sick. I wonder if there was a sneaky a sneaky developer in the uh in the dashboard
That thought it would be funny. Uh, yeah, I mean if I notice something like that, I'll pull them
I'll pull that I'll pull back the shaft If that happens
Okay, let's do it. I think it's funny
Let me do my real job now Linus luke and Dan what do you see as some of the big challenges ldd and Floatplane in the next two years?
What are some things you're excited about?
TV apps Okay
Challenges for LTT I think I think I think we face the same sort of macro challenges that the entire
rest of the tech media industry does
I think that a slowing pace of consumer hardware development is
Uh, very challenging and that's not to say that
You know the the scientists and engineers that work at these companies are not doing really incredible work and um
You know creating innovative new Technologies, I think it's just to say that for in a lot of categories
We've sort of reached a plateau where most people mostly don't care or can't tell the difference. Um
Like tv is I think a great example of this we
Like I was shopping for tv's recently If you've been if you've been watching the latest uh scrapyard war series
You'll know that I was at like uh like an open box tv retailer
And as much as I love a nice tv and I have really nice tv's in my home
I was comparing like a very a very basic
You know 70 like you can get a gigantic 75 inch tv
I found a deal and this is not a major spoiler because it's just a thing that I saw in the store
I I found a 75 inch tv for
550 canadian dollars and it came with a free soundbar
So for context for my american friends out there
That's about 380 us or like 370 us or something like that and comes with a free soundbar
That was like a hundred plus dollar value canadian or something like that. So we're talking like
A few hundred dollars for a 75 inch tv
And so I'm looking at that and I'm just kind of going well
My goodness, um How much more how much better does something have to look
For me to spend three thousand dollars on it now
A freaking lot So we've we've reached this end
And it looks not bad Like it didn't have great HDR
But a lot of people either don't understand or can't see the difference
Which is like valid you can It's like when a car person comes up to you and they're like man, what do you think of these new rims?
And you're just like, I don't know. They're made of metal. I guess right but is that good
Right like for their bbs for a lot of people right for a lot of people
They you know, it's HDR. It has more color gamut. It means it means nothing to them. They don't care. They're just they're
They're watching fox news or cnbc. They don't it doesn't matter, right?
um And so we've reached this point where where these new developments like I saw I saw news article on
LG apparently has a prototype OLED tv that uses tandem OLED
so that's the the same tech that apple's using on their latest ipads and
Uses two stacked OLED layers to achieve much much greater brightness while maintaining inky blacks like that blows my mind
Apparently it can achieve four thousand nits on this. I think it was an 83 inch display
And I'm sitting here going like man, that's so cool
But it's cool past a point that I think most people will necessarily really care about
which is um a big challenge coming back to your question for tech media
Because I think the pool as as the mainstream good enough cheapo commodity tech
Reaches a point of being good enough for more and more and more and more and more people. I think the
Share of enthusiasts who care about every pixel and who care about every megahertz is going to be reduced
um The refresh cycles on these things are also getting more and more difficult to keep up with annually. I mean NVIDIA used to be
Yearly apple has been yearly on a lot of their products. They're still yearly on the iphone, but I don't know if that'll last forever
um Like they're certainly not yearly on a lot of the mac products that they just outright don't bother to refresh once they have a new generation of silicon
And so there's there's kind of less to talk about. I think that the economic conditions right now globally
um Are Challenging affecting people's discretionary spending and I don't foresee and I'm not an economist, but I don't foresee
um with taxation both in the form of
um regular taxation and but also
Import taxation going up. I don't foresee that changing anytime soon
Generative ai for all of its uselessness and hallucination has
Disrupted the job market already. Yeah, it is disrupting people's livelihoods
Which right now we've been saying from the start
Like the companies that are really going to kill it
In my opinion and I still think this is true Are companies that find ways to use ai to accelerate the people that they have and use that to grow and bring in more
Not companies that use it to just shrink their workforce But stock price go up when fire person
So people are just doing it anyways and I anyways it's it's it's frustrating because
There are effective ways For many people I'm not going to say everyone but for many people to
Use it to genuinely help them in good ways. There's also a ton of ways to use it improperly
um, but a lot of people are are scared to let it affect
Their productivity in a positive way Because they don't want to contribute towards losing their own jobs
And that's just bad employers in my opinion And it's it's frustrating that there's like any of them at all really. Yeah. Anyways. Sorry. Just minor aside
And generative ai is going to threaten our business from other vectors as well
I mean, you know, we talked about we talked earlier about how the anantak
article archive went offline and one of our speculated reasons for it is that
Uh future plc who owns anantak and tom's hardware launched a new feature
Allowing you to compare uh products across uh brands across generations
And it's paywald um
so Our theory is that maybe they wanted to instead of making all of that archival data and information available for free
Move it behind the paywall where it can be sustainable for the future
plc um And also to keep it away from the prying eyes of
Ai web crawlers that are going to scrape all this data and then just like sharded out into a search result or into a chat bot
That doesn't compensate the real actual people who really actually picked up GPU's and put them into benches and and tested things
Um allowing them to keep their jobs. So that that's a threat
That's a threat towards us as well like if LTT Labs can be scraped
And can just you know, you can search up anything about of course their power supply and it'll just
Use our video as a source but not compensate us in any way. That's going to be a real challenge for us, right?
We're still very committed to doing it, but you know, I would be lying if I didn't say that, you know
Building out something like the lab has impacted our profitability
absolutely has I mean doing anything
By hand with humans building our content the way that we continue to do it has impacted our profitability over the years
So those things are not slowing down. Yeah, those things are going to continue to be challenges
Um It's not all doom and gloom. I think our team is more locked in than it's been in probably a couple of years actually and
I don't think I'm the only one who's seeing that I've had some good conversations with people
We have some we have some new hire starting in the next little bit that I'm very excited about on the writing side
I'm really excited about the direction the lab is going under luke's leadership. Um, thank you
I Yeah, I think we're I think we're firing on more cylinders
I am I am hopeful that while we might not, you know, be back to a cadence of six uploads a week
I'm hopeful we can get to a more regular upload schedule again relatively soon. I think that's something that would be
Good for our viewers and also good for our company's ongoing viability
um Yeah, the future's looking up, but
That doesn't mean that we can ignore the headwinds that are coming our way and coming everyone's way realistically
Hey lld just got my ally battery upgraded after your video for the just sacks upgrade kit j. So I think j. So
Upgrade kit and loving it Linus. Would you consider any further modifications to your ally in the future? Maybe RAM? Thanks
I don't think I need more RAM. I've never run into a game on my ally. I mean, I mostly just play tape to tape
I don't have over 300 hours in tape to tape now
It's amazing how quickly they add up when like
My wind down before bed is to lie in bed and play a run
Maybe there's a decent amount of idle time too. Oh, there's a ton of idle time loaded up
Yeah, tape to tape actually take the tape actually logs your on ice time
So I think I'm at like 170 hours or something. Yeah, it makes a bit more sense. That's still a lot
So that's the game. I primarily play on my ally
Uh, I don't need more RAM for it, but definitely enjoying the battery life upgrade
It's just like we saw when ASUS went from the ally one to the ally two
For some reason the battery life benefit is more than just the like watt hours
increase I don't I don't I Someone's gonna have to math that for me because I don't I don't quite get it, but I'm into it
So I've been enjoying the absolute heck out of it. I would love to have a bigger SSD in it
I'd love to just have you know entire libraries of
Linux ISO older older more pixelated Linux isos that are just kind of
On tap, but beyond that No, I I love it. It's been very very good to me and I am excited for the xbox one, but
I don't know. I might be more excited for Potentially a steam deck too. I need it to be I needed to be competitive on GPU power though
Like the steam deck was kind of it fell behind really fast
And you know me I I like cutting edge performance. I and on handheld
every 10 percent Is is noticeable when you're at 32 FPS the jump to 35
It's like I want that here's here's another spicy one to add in on the whole Windows Linux thing. Yeah, this is why I haven't
This is a major reason why I haven't bought a gaming handheld is because like I kind of
Didn't really get in on steam deck early enough
Feels like I'm kind of in steam deck 2 waiting room. Yeah, okay, and I'm looking at the taking a minute to
Yeah, and that's fine. I'm all good. Yeah, um, but I'm looking at the alternatives
And the the big push right now is Windows based alternatives, and I'm like, yeah, I want to support the the Linux push
I just if I'm gonna be voting with my wallet right like I'm tired of of the
Garbage that has been shoveled into my face from Windows from so for so long
I'm pissed that there's no alternative I'm pissed that there isn't like a Windows premium where I don't get
Trashed on with ads and other stuff like that. I'm pissed that I can't get away from certain telemetry things without
Registry jumping and and whatnot And then having to redo that because Windows update just decides to like
Change things or whatever So it's I'm trying to get out
So I'm not going to financially back a thing That I'm trying to get out of so I'll wait for steam deck 2
That's fair is what it is. All right. Hit me Dan Hi
LDL instead of glazed ai interactions causing users to expect other people to act like their chat bots do
Doesn't it also seem likely that these users will also start to act like their chat bots?
No, I don't think so. I think being glazed is not necessarily going to make you become a glazer
No, I honestly think it'll largely do the opposite effect Especially when you don't glaze back and it keeps glazing you yeah, like let's let's think about sort of
Like a like a parallel like I often talk about how I think that
Like influencers and famous people are sort of uniquely vulnerable to
Giving into narcissistic tendencies because I think that anyone would
Would struggle To stay grounded when they're surrounded by hundreds thousands or millions of people that are telling them how incredible they are all day every day
Well, tell riddle me this These professional being glazators
Are they generally known For being like the super most amenable people in the world like as a group
I'm not saying there aren't nice celebrities the opposite you used to getting catered to yeah, and I'm sure you you you know
You let it slip here or there And you don't communicate with the AI nicely and you notice that it keeps glazing you so there's no there's no incentive
There's no reward loop. Yeah, there's no penalty a non-jerk
Yeah This interface is broken in a way that I'm not really sure how to deal with
So I clicked this it asks me really and then I can't interact with it
Weird
Um, I haven't had any of those problems. Let me go look cool. Do you want another one while we wait? Yeah, hit me
Hey, wan.dll with Everything being so software and driver focused. Do you think there will become micro transactions or dlc for graphics cards?
Oh, man, we didn't talk about it because I just had had enough bad news last week, but you saw that um
Who was it was it volkswagen is adding like a pay for a subscription for more performance to their car or whatever it was
You don't click on the really you just click on the button again
Oh, not the most intuitive neat
Okay, uh vw Performance subscription. I think it was yeah, that's brand new right? I think that was yeah
vw introduces monthly subscription to increase car power eight days ago
I just I had enough talking about bad news last week. So I just
Didn't feel like it. Yeah, but here it is The optional power upgrade will cost 1650 a month or 165 pounds annually with that said
This also made me far less upset
It is not outlandish Hold on. Hold on. I'm gonna defend this. It is not outlandish
To charge more for a higher performance model and in this case
I know the exact same hardware is in there, but you could make the argument that there might be
A higher likelihood of long-term damage to the vehicle if it is somehow being pushed harder and there could be some cost there
I don't know that they've actually done the math You know correctly
I'm sure there's margin in it But as long as there's a lifetime subscription
I will be far less upset about a month or as long as there's a lifetime purchase option
I'll be far less upset about a subscription being offered. Stakeboy and footprint chat brought up an amazing comparable
Yes, what if this was a driver for a graphics card?
As long as there is a lifetime subscription
So now you have to buy your graphics card and pay for a subscription to the drivers
To get it to be slightly faster To be clear, you can still drive with all I'm not saying I'm okay with it. I'm saying I'm a lot
More okay with it. If there is a lifetime purchase option
I'll give you an example in the hardware world that's very much like this lifetime purchase problem with the product
It's just you bought the car So quadro is literally a g-force card
That has a lifetime subscription in this case that costs a lot of money
to drivers that are certified and
To the expectation that it is going to be driven harder
Because it's going to be used hour in hour out day after day in a professional environment
I care a lot less when it's professional product though. We're not talking about professional products
And that's and that's fair enough and that's fair enough. I'm just saying that the parallel not saying not not trying to insult the
Clearly very professional car. Yeah. Yeah, I just mean I just mean we already have
Very clear parallels in the hardware industry. This thing's gonna be in the user space
Okay, fair enough. I'm just saying it's it's a thing that exists and that I have I have been upset about
Like I have been upset about the exact same bloody a bunch of times the exact same silicon
Right being locked down in this way. I find it. I find it very frustrating
But I also do recognize that in the case of quadro or in the case of this
There could be Additional costs. So let me here. Let me put it this way
LTT screwdriver, right? If there was a professional version of this that included
I don't know. Let's say Once every two years you can mail it to us and we'll like
disassemble it and lube it and Polish it for free or something like if there's some kind of additional work
Of some sort that we're doing So what I'm saying is I don't know the math
I don't know the math on how many more failures they'll have for pushing it that much harder
But there may be some math there And I they're ensuring it
I would assume it is covered under warranty to have it at this higher performance level
How long is your warranty though? Not that far on most cars. Yeah, so
I look I'm not saying it's great. I'm not saying I love it. I'm saying as long as there is a lifetime option
Let's make the car cost a thousand dollars more Well, sure, but that's exactly what they did. They made it cost 649 pounds more and I think from a percentage
standpoint like if it's a hundred thousand dollar car and they're charging me six hundred and fifty dollars
I'm going to be like, why are you nickel and diming me? If it's a thousand dollar car and they're charging me six hundred and fifty bucks
That percentage point makes it more understandable. I think I'm just viewing it
The same thing in the same way, but with a different lens if that kind of makes sense
Where like the fact that the monthly one exists is what bothers me
I understand that it makes it more okay. Like you see what I mean
Makes it more okay to you that the lifetime exists for me. It makes it less. Okay that the monthly exists
It's kind of the same thing. I don't like either of them. It's glass half full glass
you know I mean Walker here says it's not uncommon to pay for tuning a vehicle that increases the horsepower without any hardware change
Yeah, it's just a one time cost and so is this
Well Unless you buy the subscription. I just don't like that the subscription exists
I don't like that the subscription exists either, but if people choose a subscription when they have a lifetime option
They have to own at least some of the responsibility for the
Vastly larger amount of money. They will pay over the lifetime. They own this purchase
Okay, what about NVIDIA? One cent per month per CUDA core
Again, I don't I don't love it. I don't want it
You're gonna have to you're gonna have to graphics cards super subsidized if NVIDIA. Okay, so here
You know what? Let's draw a consumer parallel that I actually would be okay with
Oh, no If NVIDIA gave me another 200 watts on the 5090 full warranty
Everything's covered and they were like, yeah, it's another
You know, okay. So what's this in the context of a vehicle? So they're charging $600. Let's say what this is a $30,000 vehicle
Something like that 50 maybe 60. You think it's that much? I don't know. It's just a second. I don't know what cars cost
Oh my god, it's the ID. It's the ID 3 limit limit breaker subscription
Yeah, and it's effectively just a warranty Effectively just an overclocking warranty
If they let you do it
Without that, but you lost your warranty. Yeah, I think I'd be more cool with it
That was pounds, right? Yeah, there's 40,000 pounds 40,000 pounds
Because that's literally just a warranty at that point call it 50,000. So we're talking in this case about 1.5 percent
Of the cost so if NVIDIA said, okay on your $2,000 GPU
It's 20. It's 30 bucks And you can have another a month
No, no, no, total lifetime lifetime. It's 30 bucks and you can have another 100 watts or 200 watts or you know, whatever
If you could if you could do it anyways, I mean didn't have a warranty. I'm slamming that button
I'm doing that this totally this totally even exists people buy this all the time. This is the oc variant. Oh, yeah
Yeah, this is the oc variant that's well cars no power limit cars have trim levels
Well, so see the car trim levels though, that's a tough one. Well, no, they're they're doing what the graphics cards do
You can get the oc car or you can get the normal car. They're just doing that in the same car
I think we're going I think we're going too far with this because we're just we're now just describing
a An extended warranty. Well, sort of it's not a it's not a warning levels. It's a yeah, it's a different tier of product
And I've made the argument since forever that you should never buy the oc
lesser card When the not oc better card is now so close in price
But I mean the difference between a 5080 and a 5090 is now a thousand dollars
So if oc 5080 could make sense and in the case of the 5090 there is nothing higher
So if you want any more If they were to come to me and say yeah, it's an extra 30 bucks or 50 bucks for the oc variant that runs a little faster
We binded a little better. We made sure it's going to work and we're going to cover that
I don't see that as an extended warranty. I see that as a ever so slightly
Faster product. The reason why I'm saying extended warranty is because if you could just do it yourself
Yeah, and that's what happens when they're the same product like you can take a car and put a beggar engine in it
But the manufacturer also produces that same model of car that has the bigger engine in it already
But this vw is just both of those cars in one car
Like it's a 5080 and a 5090 in a single card and then you just pay the extra thousand dollars
And now it's a 5090 instead of a 5080. Yeah in this case the difference in performance is pretty small though
So I feel a lot less like they're totally sandbagging me
Of course Like like they could have just afforded to give me, you know a car that performs twice as good. Well, this sucks
It's not a different car. Um, yeah, but this is just the same car. It's just slightly more tuneder
And I think yeah, I I hope i'm not just going to completely end up cancelled over this again because ham netx says
Linus's point about accelerated wear profiles is a decent one when something is worked harder
There could be additional wear And the reason that I went to that first is because we were talking specifically about batteries and electric motors and EV
Right, that is so important. Your argument makes complete sense. And it's totally fair and totally fine. The problem is it will
immediately be abused Well immediately and unquestionably
It's it's the the future problem Because now you you pull back more and pull back more and pull back more and pay while more and pay while more and pay
While more like heated seats. It's not the the like base concept is fine
I guess that you're describing. It's it's the what will companies do it? I feel better about this than the bmw heated seats personally
Yeah, you know what I think I do too Because the heated seats that's literally in there
Like it's It's literally so inexpensive for you to implement it that you can literally put it in every single vehicle that rolls down the line
And becomes cheaper because you do that. Yes, let's skew
um But even then it's the same cost blending, right? So the people who pay for it are subsidizing the people who don't pay for it
To put it into every vehicle Um, I still I still don't like it
I can still not like it in this case. I actually yeah, I agree with you Dan
I don't mind this as much as the heated seat activation
No, I think one percent feels bad if it was 25 percent
Like if the 58 to 50 90 upgrade was a thousand dollars and the card was 500 bucks
that feels more Okay, in a way
This feels nickel and dime, but I know what you're talking about especially on an electric. So yeah
Sox, it feels like welcome to current year. Yeah, it's bad. It's it's not good for the world
The first step is not that bad. So you don't look at it that closely Slippy slope. Yeah, bazaar says with your experience with team viewer
I'd think you would trust lifetime subs less especially in this corporate environment. You are a hundred percent, right?
In this case though, um, they would have to actively brick it whereas team viewer's service
Runs through their servers. I don't see any reason why my additional horsepower
Would have to do an authentication check every time I turn on the car until it does that were the case
Well, then that's where luke slippery slope argument, which as you know fallacious as a fallow seat or whatever as as invalid
As a slippery slope argument might be
So, you know At a certain point we've seen it happen enough times that we kind of have to go. Okay slippery slopes are valid
And then slippery slopes are absolutely when you when you sell the car it doesn't transfer
So the new person also has to buy it. Is that true for this one? No, I'm just I'm just giving them ideas
But that is absolutely something they would do. I find slippery slopes to be
Completely valid in these types of conversations right less valid when it comes to a specific
Like and in between two individuals that know each other type situation sure
Because at that point in time you can be like you can trust me to not slippery slope this and that's a valid argument
So then you can counter but in these types of situations. It's like the company's massive
Entire reason to exist incentive is to slippery slope this
It's like you should almost trust them to do so more than more than anything else
So crystal points out this is also the same hardware just like the heated seats, but it's the wear profile
Yeah, that's the difference. Yeah, you know, they validated that validation is not a joke
Right, they validated it at a certain performance level now. They validated it at another performance level
There may be a maintenance or wear cost there. It's harder on the batteries. It's harder on the batteries. It's harder on the motors
Uh, okay, uh, want to hit me? Hello, bad cholesterol. LDL. What punishment are you three willing to commit to for the first person to break the
WAN streak? Love the content. Shave Luke's head, please. Yes. I also say we shave Luke's head if anybody misses
That's a great suggestion. I appreciate that. I seconded actually. Yeah, there we go. All right settled moving on. That's ridiculous
Oh my goodness What are we willing to commit? I mean, it's not going to be me. So I don't care
Yeah, honestly, we needed nothing to be insanely diehard about this already
We may have actually had this conversation before Maybe it's been so long. We forgot. I think there may be a consequence
I think I just I think we might just not remember what it is. Do any viewers remember?
I still like that. We have to shave Luke's head, but none of us are going to be the one who is going to allow that to happen
Oh, yeah The pride of not losing is worth more than me shaving my head. Oh, yeah, absolutely
100% I don't want you to have to shave your head. That'd be fine
Dunked again. I thought I was going to be bald my like whole life into my 20s
And then I finally realized that this is not how that works Floating chat doesn't recall any punishments. Maybe I'm just imagining it
I mean, that's possible. I think we might have had the conversation, but maybe it never turned into anything
Loser has to do when show in full blue man group makeup. I mean, we would just do that. Anyway, that'd be hilarious. Yeah, that sounds fun. It's more of a
The pride thing, um
Yvonne would actually kill me if I shaved my head
Oh, it's Luke's head Right
Okay Okay, so if anyone breaks the streak we shave Luke's head
Okay, all in favor
I'm I'm actually completely okay with that being mine, but I feel like
We'll talk about it another time. We'll figure something out You know, it doesn't make sense that if Linus doesn't show up that I have to shave my head
I mean, yeah, but that makes sense to me and apparently you I mean you raised your hand
No All right. Hit me. Hit me down. You should take Luke's 2.5 pound weights
That would be more annoying for for little man than me at this point
Hello from the east coast question for Luke and also Linus in parenthesis as the infra team grows
Are there any plans for it admin focused content a day in the life of your infor team network deep rives, etc
Probably not. Cool. Good chat boring
Yeah, hey six foot two six foot one and allegedly 5.6. I actually go by five foot 14
Uh, are there any examples of products with really anti-consumer behavior that you would refuse to review on?
For example action cams requiring mobile apps to initialize
No, I mean, I think our job is to is to call these things out is to
shine a light on On a on a bad practice or a bad product. I think refusing to review it is
in a way Even passively contributing to the problem. It's like when people with ethics and integrity
resign their post When they're asked to do something
by a superior and then
Yeah, they just put someone in who would happily do it. Yeah, so they keep their ethics and they keep their integrity
Um, but by resigning they clear the way for someone to
Just do it anyway. We haven't actually accomplished anything here
I think in the past when as a society it felt like we had some shame
Um, I definitely admired that more because it would bring more of a spotlight to it
And then it was news where change is initialized and that person who asked for the thing might get removed
But that doesn't seem to be the case anymore in modern year. So, um, so it seems like there needs to be a new meta
And my my meta is definitely if if something's interesting enough to make a video
I don't care how anti-consumer it is. Let's make a video about it and talk about how much they suck
Hey l l and d have you heard about the final fantasy 14 drama this week?
Square enix issued a cease and desist over an add-on that let players share custom character mods
Do you think this ties into payment processor censorship? I mean
Uh, uh, we're the custom character mods
Quite x-rated. Is that what we're talking about? I didn't think that it was a problem until you mentioned the payment processors
And now I'm concerned again. I don't think that's related to it add-ons weren't allowed in final fantasy 14 already as far as I understand
he goes And customer customer character custom character models could be
perceived as cheating on the accounts Um, I can't find anything about triple x character mods. I don't think you're allowed any add-ons in that game. So
Yeah Couple more. Hey, l l d does Linus have any updates from the smart door lock he recently installed
Is there a smart home device or feature that you wish existed but is not currently available? Thanks
I mean, it basically anything is currently available if you're willing to pay for like a professional installer to come in
Do some wizardry for you like
I think it's one of uh, yeah, it's one of Yvonne's old high school friends husband's friend
Who it does like installs for these like crazy homes and like shawnessy and stuff like that
And he was telling me about this custom mount for this tv that would like go up into the ceiling and like hide itself
So it can like come down and and be like just suspended in the middle of the living room so that the um
So that the mom can like watch tv while she's cooking in the kitchen like across the
Open concept thing. Anyway, you I think you can basically do anything. Um, as for the smart lock
I'm really happy with it. I can give people codes one time use or timed
They can access whatever I need them to whenever I need them to it locks on its own
Which sometimes I'm a bit of a scatterbrain and I forget to you know do that. So that's really nice. So it's
always locked And works perfectly and the charging solution is working perfectly
I have wireless charging for my smart lock So there's just a little base station that sits on just a little like end table thing
In the foyer and it just beams power wirelessly to my lock
So I never have to change the battery in it ever again. So cool. Yeah, that's actually pretty sick pretty cool. Wow
That's sweet because wiring those up can kind of suck. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So most people run a battery
Hey, when I have a question for luke about the lab's website. I
Notice it's really fast with a lot of cool web tech. Thank you. I was curious what framework you guys use
They have done how difficult fire fox has been
Hamnetics I made a video on that. It's on ShortCircuit They've done a wonderful job with with keeping it very performant
Um, and I just got to get more people to go to it. Um, but I wanted to show off. I like this one
I think there's a bunch of different ones. I haven't tried them all. This is not a like particular endorsement
It's not financial advice. Yep. Other than that these tools are cool. You might find one that you prefer more
It's very likely haven't even tried it. Uh, I started using this many years ago and it's been awesome ever since
But it's called built with or built with com and you can just look up any website
So I just I went to their home page just went out to do Labs
dot com And then clicked look up and then you can look at basically all the stuff that we use so you can see our analytics
we like plausible because it's Uh, friendlier to users in my opinion
Uh, and in dancieville's opinion who is the one who suggested it for that reason
Um, you can see that we have next j s which is probably more related to your question along with react
Which is maybe even more related to your question along with versell, which is definitely likely definitely related to your question
Um, but you can do this for any website and it will poke through and help you find different things about it
It's a very fun thing to do Um to just see kind of like what are these guys doing? How did they build stuff?
You know, I really don't think aws is going to catch on because the future is serverless
I
Sorry, that's my favorite joke
Last one I've got for you today
Hi l ld, uh, you guys talk about lifetime purchases. Would you ever consider doing a lifetime Floatplane subscription?
The other thing we talk about Endlessly is sustainable business practices
Unfortunately Floatplane is a service that has a very real
Uh, very ongoing Monthly cost. Yeah
So if we were to offer you a lifetime subscription, what we'd be offering you is a lie
Because at some point unless we grow infinitely and infinite growth on a finite planet is unfortunately not possible
Unless we grow infinitely at some point
The pyramid will collapse and the new user recruitment will not cover the cost of continuing to support
The legacy lifetime users and the whole thing falls down and we have to go back on our word
So we want to just put ourselves in a position where we never have to go back on our word
It's also like I don't know in my opinion
Yes, I think there's an argument that could be made that full plane has full plane itself has well
depends on the user Align us media group account on Floatplane has drm free downloads
It's it's up to the creators if they want them or not. So I can't say for the whole platform
You you could make an argument that that's your like
legacy of the thing But in my opinion you you you're not I can't give you
Full plane Right. Yeah, you can take the downloads, but if you buy a lifetime subscription and then eventually full plane dies
Uh, you and I are 90 and we finally retire and full plane dies for whatever reason
Um, and you can't access the website anymore
What is your lifetime subscription for?
Yeah If if I could if we happened if team viewer
Just went away eventually But you could keep using it because you have your whatever thing and you know, it doesn't lifetime is real
But lifetime is fine. Yeah Because okay, it stopped iterating at some point that kind of sucks sure whatever
But you can still use the thing then lifetime is applicable in my opinion
I can't just give you full plane forever. So therefore in my opinion is not really applicable
Tim asks in full plane chat. Why not just make it like 1500 dollars? How does that not make sense?
Because it doesn't make sense For you. Yeah
I I I like to stack w's in in every transaction. I am looking for a way to
Build a build a balanced I offer I receive sheet, right and you know from my point of view
Um finding the correct number for Floatplane lifetime subscription is asking me to have a crystal ball
I would have to know exactly how much value you're going to receive and I'm going to have to know exactly
To a reasonable degree of accuracy how much it's going to cost me
I can't know that so it's far better for me to just have a sustainable billing model that works for me
And if it works for you, then that's great You can subscribe and if it's not working for you anymore, then you can not subscribe
And if you want to throw money at us as much as this doesn't benefit like my department
I don't think that's a good way to look at things personally um
The the same reason why we have merch messages instead of using
Other potential systems is because we're trying to give you more back for this exchange that's happening
So go get something from the store. Yeah
Pick up something on LTT Store or come to whale land
If you really don't want anything if you must just give us money
You can like buy a gift card and then just like never use it
Yeah, technically that does sit on our books as like an outstanding liability or whatever because gift cards legally in canada can't expire
Um, our gift cards on the store attached to your account. I don't remember. Is it actually a code? I don't know
I don't remember. I don't remember The point is just like look that if you want to give us more money
You absolutely can but we don't want to charge more for it. So you're gonna have to find your own creative way to do that
Yeah, I wish there are Sure, you get our office is on google maps. You could show up and slip a hundo under the door
I can't stop you
My g-sting's ready
And We will see you guys again next week same bad time same bad channel
Bye. Whoa, you did it before I wait. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, the wave started the wave started. I'm allowing it
All right, just touch and go though. Sorry. Oh my
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