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If you wancho for so

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the really funny one is the the buildings built by Chinese

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builders in like white places because they'll be like missing

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four and 14 and 24 and 34 but they'll also be missing 13.

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So like my parents lived in this building that was they lived on

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the 42nd floor but it's actually it's like the 36th floor

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and then what's really funny is that like eventually when you get to the 40s they just give up and they use yeah I was gonna

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say why don't they just go to 50 yeah I wish that building had

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gone to 45 so I could have seen if they do 44 because like what

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are the rules then if you can't do 14 24 and 34 but you can do

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40 and 41 can you do 44 is it the second four that's why is it

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only the last number that matters superstitions are fun and to

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be clear I'm not singling out any particular culture here oh

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no they all have superstitions they're just all fun dude I used to have lucky shin pads when I played hockey yeah dog I

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don't know yeah they were lucky yeah I don't know they were lucky because they could touch your shins I'd like to touch

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your shins like that I'm not gonna go to that camera

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wait yet why is there an under under desk camera what do you

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mean dad float blame plus

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oh no damn plane

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dude man okay seriously if if if I was just a completely like

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evil pieces like do you know do you know what a move it would

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be to to like put a bunch of hidden cameras around our

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office and then like create a subscription service so that people could like log into them and stuff dude earlier than a

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year ago from now they probably could have gotten away with it too like how long do you think it would have taken us to

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notice before we had in for team if there was just like random devices on the network oh yeah I don't think you would have at

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all yeah 100 like nowadays we'd notice don't don't don't don't

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be pulling that yeah it's it's an extremely fast track way to

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get fired and also sued what a side hustle though right yeah

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yeah only planes dot com yeah I think you gotta find out about

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it really fast though because it would get out I don't know

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that I'm pretty confident get out I feel like there's some there's some deep dark corners there's some weird discords you

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know yeah there's some super weird discords dark web

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maybe it's just because Luke's already in them I might be yeah

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under the guise of infiltrating them dude I've I've so many

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fake discord accounts it's amazing it's incredible

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turns out not only can you have more than one discord

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application launched on your computer at a time but you can have any amount of permutation of browser logins as you want

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because of private browsing so you can just be a whole

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discord server you could totally make someone think that

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they're joining a community of people that is just you you

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have f***ing weird hobbies

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meanwhile I have one burner reddit account I'm like

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yeah discord bot ant farm

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it's amazing what you can do with the internet when you try

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um

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luke manipulation tips hey man see what you just like send

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chicks to this discord that's all about how great luke is

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how good his chicken recipe is

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digital wingman wow he's so cool he made chicken for me one time

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I mean it doesn't have to be you could say positive things about

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yourself you don't have to be honest

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hey it was good my chicken he bleached my hair this one time you

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did a great job just don't provide any pictures

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oh man I let him bleach all my hair but I can't post that whoa

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whoa it's against discord terms yeah except I don't think it is I don't

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think it is

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okay finally

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discord named chicken and hot sauce he put a slit in my eye and it looked

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amazing I think I couldn't see it I was given

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improper tools I'm also if that was who I think it was you're not

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supposed to be here right now it's still technically working now it's just a

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no no that video is up on flow plane okay so everyone's seen it okay

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there's no way Elijah isn't in the chat though

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um

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oh man what are we even talking about I guess I better get the dock open

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perpetual there it is perpetual we're in dock

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oh yeah oh password managers they're so convenient

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I love them is his new name gonna be slit so we'll have slick and slit

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we shouldn't call him slit no no I really don't think that's wise

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oh man it's limp wow wow that's I don't think that's

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worse but it feels worse I don't think it's objectively worse though

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um

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crystal says I did my eyebrows slit with the same tool and it was fine

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you got roasted I don't know crystal you got roasted maybe wrong you got roasted

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when did Linus become a k-pop band member no dog I haven't had nearly enough

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plastic surgeries for that yet you see that guy it was like I want to

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look like Jimin from BTS or whatever wasn't that super old

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yeah okay yeah yeah yeah and they ended up just looking terrifying

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I feel like that's true every time there's been a few people that are like I want to

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look like this person and then they just look like a horror show yeah it's it's

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because it becomes uncanny I don't think I've seen any that look

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close enough to reach uncanny unholy maybe yeah

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pro tip do not get plastic surgery to look like someone else

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even if you succeed you've lost oh yeah oh yeah

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the guy who wanted to be the human candle oh my god

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oh it's the new bracelet oh yeah I got a new bracelet what's it say

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it says something right yeah dad yeah nice yeah face well and after the video

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earlier this week I'm waiting for all the people who like call me gay over it

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or whatever dude back to the old days yeah exactly you've got let's bring it back

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oh dad it's just like water but yeah yeah

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so then I'm gonna be ready we like yeah having sex with a woman

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and making a baby who makes you a bracelet of them

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sure my god do you love her

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oh my god

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we should have brought like sleeping bags pretended it was like a

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sleepover do you like some way oh my god you love your wife

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this guy man

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girls the feelings

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I don't know man there's just a subset of people that are just like

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I can't yeah yeah I just I just can't man I can't if you have enough time in your

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day to like care about someone else's

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day

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get a hobby you need to get busy yeah and I mean that in every possible way

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that's rough go find something to do and go get laid

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both

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that's a that's a yikes uh yeah

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all right let's do this thing oh shoot I didn't log into the dashboard

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that's fine I'm ready I'm ready to log into it

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we're logging so hard

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the youtube dashboard or merch the uh no neither of them oh oh oh man I'm not

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logging into anything oh crap oh man I still man I still think it's like

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tabl something tablary oh yeah what is it it's

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in ffp dot like I only need part of it I just think oh mm

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dot in front no it's not why is it not oh I'm I'm not you don't say it

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uh

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okay

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okay I have no RAM you know this okay yeah yeah I'm good okay

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feel so validated look it's a disability but also I get hyper focused

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sometimes it can be useful we share one

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wrinkle adhd is like the most the most like

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rpg game style like you gain a benefit but you have to take a negative

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all strength yeah it's so like I get hyper focused

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but sometimes I just I don't know I don't remember anything and can do

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nothing I keep saying that the void is real because I'm holding an object and then I'm not anymore

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and it's gone but then every once in a while turbo mode

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yeah you put in like a year's worth of work in a weekend or two

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it's a serious problem for me how big our office is

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because I will just never find anything yeah yeah

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all right let's do this thing what what is this

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uh

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uh is this is this good hmm I had to use this drop down I don't normally have

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to use this drop down it was on this and I set it to this and now there are

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things here but on this one there were no things here that's weird but you're on the right one the thing that you change it to is the

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correct one cool so I don't know I did good

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I'm sure like Jonathan or AJ we're doing something

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or that yeah I don't know

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okay are we doing this thing

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this is funny boxin buddha says first time I took

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Adderall I cried my brain was quiet for the first time and I realized this is

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how normal people feel

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oh that's great I've never tried Adderall but I was on Ritalin as a kid

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and dude I was basically a completely different person

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like completely different person I was like 10 and I was still like

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acutely aware that I was a completely different person maybe I was nine

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that's really wild actually yeah being acutely

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aware of practically anything of that type is a little wild

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well I'm precocious like that uh oops that's the wrong one

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okay dude I had to send some wires for Yvonne

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while she was away and like

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right after the twitter headache no no no no no but I mean I had to

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I had to like quadruple check oh yeah to make sure because when you send a

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wire wrong oh it's done it's like yeah it's

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bad yeah it's bad the fact that we still do things through

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wires is nice happened to a client of mine

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they sent a hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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to nothing somebody intercepted the wire in like the planning stage

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and when they were ready to purchase the machine they said okay ready for your

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payment somebody at the company I think

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oh wow yikes there was so many international like bodies involved

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oh yeah yeah like they follow it up and stuff they just like back

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I don't think so yeah which is always crazy

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yeah straight to China like if it's gonna be like all digital and stuff then like

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okay like it's digital like I just I don't I don't and the fact that

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the really bizarre one is the fact that they cost like 25

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35 $50 to send yeah it's like how much does it cost you

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my credit card I can I can charge back my credit card like what do you what are

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you even talking about I so you can handle the overhead there

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but you like can't handle it here it's like hey like that went to the wrong

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place you could do dispute resolution for like we

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especially because you can buy like hundred thousand dollar things on a credit card you know what I mean like what and I'm

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sure there's reasons I just don't care about them

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that's not my problem yeah it's just wild okay sorry sorry sorry I don't know

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a lot about wires I just know that it makes

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it it's difficult for me well they can be made of copper

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usually they stretch it because it's a uh what's the word starts with a t

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the the the pencil yeah no it's time to start the show

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yeah duck it's duck tile oh well that doesn't start with the

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duck tile but it's a t in it okay I've resumed the selected what about goose

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carpet

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what is up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined up

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for you guys today yeah uh oh uh okay there's one bit of

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bad news we're gonna talk about this uh real estate dystopia

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very cool algorithmic pricing means uh cost of living

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basically go up but this time it's algorithmically

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also

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I will be eating some humble pie today we got hacked earlier this week

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uh control of our twitter account was lost and it turned out

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it was my fault fortunately humble pie you get pie out of it

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is delicious yeah so we're gonna be talking about exactly what happened and

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I'm gonna be eating crow you know pie pie

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yeah not not crow but humble pie what else we got I wish def con it was super

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cool and we're gonna talk about that because it's like actually cool and interesting that's the badge yeah this badge is crazy it has a

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gameboy emulator on it super cool what else we got

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you know we were sitting here for 45 minutes

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google's team pixel program changed to require influencers to be biased towards

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google I didn't think you were gonna bring up your uh fishing I thought you're gonna avoid it so that was gonna be one of my topics

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no I'm not avoiding it I'm meeting it head on I encourage people

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to come out and talk about being exploited being hacked yeah and being

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open about it so the only thing that I can do to

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salvage any kind of scrap of pride at this point is practice what I preach

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and go into it completely kimono open here's everything that happened

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yeah all right so here comes the kimonos coming kimonos coming off

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band on twitch

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the show is brought to you today by Corsair

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squarespace bridge and of course our chair partner

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secret lab why don't we jump right into our headline topic for today which I

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forget what it is what was it again you getting fished

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Disney oh we didn't even have that as a headline topic right we got to jump

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right into that this is crazy this is not okay a 42-year-old woman died

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after an allergic reaction eating at a restaurant at disney world resorts disney

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springs in october 2023 she was highly allergic to dairy

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and nuts the restaurant was chosen because they

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advertise the accommodation of persons with food allergies as a

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top priority okay a lawsuit was then filed in february of 2024 by her husband

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for damages of more than $50,000 this was a wrongful death suit now okay that

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kind of makes sense because if you say hey like i'm allergic to this and

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they're like hey no problem we got you there are there is some fine print i

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think many menus will actually have a disclaimer where even if the server says

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hey like yeah sure there's no there's no nuts in that there's always the chance

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of these things at this chance of cross-contamination however um from the article that i read on this

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seemed to suggest so take this for what it is seemed to suggest that there was a

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substantial amount of what she was allergic to in the dish

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okay so this is where things go completely off the rails and is what

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pushed this to the top of our subreddit earlier this week

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disney filed a motion in may alleging that the husband okay so

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not not the woman who died the husband accepted a forced arbitration agreement

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when signing up for disney plus in 2019

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they also seem to be under the impression

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that they agreed to an arbitration clause when purchasing tickets to disney

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world the husband's legal team argues that the

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disney terms were made effectively invisible disney put the link to its

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terms of use within another link on the agreement page

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when you sign up for disney plus and neither of these agreements were

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necessary they were never forced to read them to eat at the restaurant

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because get this you don't need to buy tickets

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in order to access disney springs

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this is wild oh yeah this reminds me of who was it

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dystopian as hell who who was it who uh hold on i'm gonna look it up

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i'm gonna look it up the soft drink hitman yep yep

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yep i'm gonna look it up i think it was coke um

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yeah yeah the coke the coke death squads

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okay where their defense their defense for this

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was not we didn't we didn't contract kill people that was not the defense the

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defense was here in the us you cannot pursue us for this

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because it happened outside of your jurisdiction yeah

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i mean i thought the whole eula thing was kind of settled

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where they're they're in a super enforceable where they're in a where they're in this gray area where like as long as everything

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makes sense within all of the other laws that exist for all the good reasons

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that they exist then yeah you are effectively agreeing not to use the

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i don't know um team viewer for terrorism or you know whatever

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else the case may be right like there there are certain things within an end

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user license agreement that do make sense because they're for the protection

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of intellectual property holders for the protection of the general public

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they're for the greater good and they're they're things that you would kind of expect however for me to agree not just to a forced

00:21:40.120 --> 00:21:44.200
arbitration clause over some issue that i had with the disney plus service

00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:47.560
because that i could see if somebody were to say for example

00:21:47.560 --> 00:21:52.120
watch some show on disney plus and they were to get inspired to shoot john

00:21:52.120 --> 00:21:57.160
lennon who knows right if if if lennon's

00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:01.560
if yoko ono okay we're getting a little off the rails here but if yoko ono

00:22:01.560 --> 00:22:06.600
comes after disney and goes okay you're liable for the shooting of my husband

00:22:06.600 --> 00:22:13.640
um i can't well wait because did she sign up for disney plus

00:22:14.120 --> 00:22:18.600
the point is if you're if you are a user of the service

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and the issue that you have with the service is related to the service then okay no problem

00:22:25.320 --> 00:22:30.840
but if oh man i'm trying to i'm trying to come up with a parallel here

00:22:30.840 --> 00:22:34.280
because this is mind-blowing okay i'm wondering i'm wondering what if it's like

00:22:34.280 --> 00:22:39.160
no let's take our company okay okay uh let's say for example that you sign up

00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.680
for Floatplane okay so that's our that's our video streaming

00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:46.200
service where you can get early access to some of our videos

00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:51.160
uh yeah including scrapyard wars uh you can also get extras for some of our

00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:54.440
videos including scrapyard wars i'm not

00:22:54.440 --> 00:23:00.760
saying you should sign up for Floatplane just saying it's got good stuff but let's say as part of our as part of our agreement you know we've got okay

00:23:00.760 --> 00:23:07.560
yeah there's a there's a forced arbitration clause because if for whatever reason um uh there's a billing error

00:23:07.560 --> 00:23:14.440
okay uh and you say i was i it put undue mental strain on me that uh i was

00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:17.720
double billed that one month because of administrative error

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and i'm seeking $50,000 in pain and suffering damages or whatever else

00:23:21.320 --> 00:23:25.720
we're we basically are going like look our entire agreement with you

00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:29.320
our entire agreement with you is over like tens of dollars

00:23:29.320 --> 00:23:33.400
um yeah uh we're this is going to go to arbitration we are we

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you you wave your ability to like make a

00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.840
file it super no not super but basically a nonsense lawsuit

00:23:40.840 --> 00:23:44.920
like i can understand that protection being in place i actually

00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:48.280
don't know that we have a forced arbitration clause do we

00:23:48.280 --> 00:23:52.680
do you even know i don't think so okay well anyway the point is the point is

00:23:52.680 --> 00:24:00.520
the point is let's say you sign up for Floatplane okay so and let's say we have this clause for you know maybe maybe some kind of reasonable reason

00:24:00.520 --> 00:24:06.200
but then you go to you go to LTX you go to a whale land

00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.720
okay and and we have we have a gigantic

00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:13.960
Elijah head that is suspended from the ceiling

00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:18.120
okay because we think that's funny as f*** for some reason i mean it would be

00:24:18.120 --> 00:24:24.760
right it would be like a giant Elijah head it would be pretty funny oh man what if you had a whack-a-mole game and it was

00:24:24.760 --> 00:24:28.520
Elijah wearing helmets thank you but this is very off

00:24:28.520 --> 00:24:32.520
topic yeah i like it though okay so we have an

00:24:32.520 --> 00:24:36.440
Elijah whack-a-mole game okay and you like hit yourself in the

00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:39.880
face with you get well no because that's on you you get stuck in the machine

00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:44.920
you get a staff an LTT staff uh tells you to go inside the machine

00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:50.360
and and you get you get Elijah whacked to death

00:24:50.360 --> 00:24:58.040
you get whacked okay that's pretty whack

00:24:58.040 --> 00:25:01.960
to imagine for so far off the rails like if you never

00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:06.360
if you never signed a liability release to to ride the Elijah

00:25:06.360 --> 00:25:13.960
whacker to wait this is starting to get a little weird um the point is that

00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:17.160
if you never signed a release we just do a direct thing you ate you ate food

00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.880
there whatever it doesn't matter the point is if you have if you never signed a specific release for that

00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.000
if you if you never consent it to anything to do

00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.360
what does your agreement even though it's the same organization it shouldn't

00:25:28.360 --> 00:25:34.440
actually it isn't because Floatplane is not even the same entity yeah it doesn't matter the point is this is this is

00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:39.480
insane yes this is completely insane yeah and

00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:45.640
honestly i think you and i've had this conversation we're like i remember talking to you about this and i was just like yeah

00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:50.360
you know what the legal system needs it needs like a like a common sense filter

00:25:50.360 --> 00:25:53.480
we've we've actually had so there's like an intervention layer

00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:58.520
that basically looks at something and goes hey proactively bs detector you know

00:25:58.520 --> 00:26:01.640
what maybe maybe the law doesn't account for this

00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:05.480
but we need to get some legislation fast-tracked to deal with this because

00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:11.560
this obviously makes no sense like this is such a bad faith argument

00:26:11.560 --> 00:26:15.960
that i don't know i don't know how disney's lawyers can sleep at night

00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:21.320
yeah yeah absolutely i mean we we've had a conversation when we were we were

00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.840
doing the legal agreements for flow plane and a couple other things that we have

00:26:24.840 --> 00:26:30.840
um we did have conversations because the external contractor legal team that we

00:26:30.840 --> 00:26:34.840
had handed us like the most legalese thing on the planet

00:26:34.840 --> 00:26:41.480
and i remember this was many years ago but i remember you and i looking at it and being like this just sucks because it's like impossible to tell what they're

00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:47.640
trying to say so we had to get them to do multiple rounds of like simple this down make it easier to understand

00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.080
and even then just to be completely honest ours isn't the best i've ever

00:26:51.080 --> 00:26:55.000
seen i've seen some that are like very easy to understand

00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:58.920
really really well laid out but you have to work with lawyers to get it there

00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:01.960
and they don't want to do that they want it to be difficult to understand

00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:06.840
because then it stands up legally like more which is annoying i hate that so

00:27:06.840 --> 00:27:11.320
there's a few things here so alt ochers in Floatplane chat says that's what

00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:15.800
judges are supposed to do but that's not actually true judges are in charge of

00:27:15.800 --> 00:27:20.040
sentencing and they can interpret the law but they don't get to

00:27:20.040 --> 00:27:25.000
look at the letter of the law and go i don't like that law it doesn't make any

00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:30.120
sense if there is a is a a basis if there's an argument

00:27:30.120 --> 00:27:36.280
that has a strong basis in law they can't ignore it

00:27:36.280 --> 00:27:40.120
right like that that's that's not the judge's role it's it's legislators who

00:27:40.120 --> 00:27:47.880
create laws judges just interpret them um and the process mr vaney says term says it covers

00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.800
any disputes with the Walt Disney Company and that may be true but what i'm

00:27:51.800 --> 00:27:56.440
saying is that that's crazy yeah um there is another point here

00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.360
and this is a really good one from papo daca that says

00:28:00.360 --> 00:28:04.440
disney doesn't run that restaurant either okay so i don't actually know if

00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:11.640
that's true but it's a really interesting point because here's my problem with that when you license your name

00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:17.800
you are you are you are collecting money you are you are collecting revenue

00:28:18.360 --> 00:28:23.800
for granting the trust that is associated with your name

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because otherwise the name being on the restaurant

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wouldn't have any value i'm eating at it because i trust

00:28:32.120 --> 00:28:37.720
boston pizza or subway or whatever here's a question on on that topic you

00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.960
just mentioned sub yeah subways a franchise system right so if you eat at

00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:46.520
subway and you get some i don't know crazy food poisoning thing or something that you could sue for let's just

00:28:46.520 --> 00:28:55.080
imagine there's something you could sure do you sue the franchise owner of that building or do you sue subway

00:28:55.080 --> 00:28:59.400
so what i i don't i don't know the specific answer for subway what i

00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:03.720
suspect is that there are various agreements depending on who you are

00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.160
franchising from and depending what exactly the agreement is there

00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:14.120
it also probably depends on exactly what happened if you followed if you followed process that was handed down to you

00:29:14.120 --> 00:29:17.160
by the i don't want to call it a parent company they're not a parent company

00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:23.160
by the brand by the brand owner company um and something went wrong anyway

00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.080
then i think that's kind of between you and them but it might end up being a

00:29:27.080 --> 00:29:30.680
chain of lawsuits or because subway is a bigger

00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.960
better known target with more money i could see how

00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:39.240
if someone did encounter uh you know get poisoned at that restaurant say for

00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:44.600
example i could see why they would go after the bigger more obvious target without necessarily even considering that

00:29:44.600 --> 00:29:47.800
they're also probably the better protected one from a legal standpoint

00:29:47.800 --> 00:29:53.720
because they probably deal with this kind of thing all the time but but my point is that you can't have it both ways

00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.960
you can't hide behind oh well i mean we weren't even running the restaurant

00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.600
but then also benefit from your name being put on you have to take a

00:30:02.600 --> 00:30:06.440
you have to take some responsibility for it i mean i remember having this

00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:10.360
conversation with a youtuber who famously got into the fast food

00:30:10.360 --> 00:30:15.880
business a couple of years ago where i basically said yeah i i don't know i

00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:21.560
good for you um but we've never done anything that you can ingest

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and the reason for that is that i am i'm deeply concerned i tend to be pretty

00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.600
conservative when it comes to business risk and liability

00:30:30.600 --> 00:30:36.440
um and i am deeply concerned that compared to almost anything else we do

00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:42.280
like a shirt or a or even water bottles actually i

00:30:42.280 --> 00:30:47.080
we talked about them a lot before we uh before we move forward with them yeah

00:30:47.080 --> 00:30:50.280
backpack you know what's the worst that can go

00:30:50.280 --> 00:30:55.160
wrong right um compared to anything we do

00:30:55.160 --> 00:31:01.320
something that someone ingests has well the maximum ceiling for what can go

00:31:01.320 --> 00:31:05.640
wrong it could it could kill them and even if i'm not

00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:09.400
liable even if i'm not found culpable for it

00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:12.760
because it's like a ghost kitchen or whatever

00:31:12.760 --> 00:31:17.080
do i want to do i want to think about that

00:31:17.080 --> 00:31:20.360
no i don't there's there's a lot of decisions we we've made actually

00:31:20.360 --> 00:31:23.880
including the the flow plane vpn thing yeah where it's like yeah we just don't

00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:30.360
really want to think about this problem at a certain point like we can we can do it we could have made some type of food product

00:31:30.360 --> 00:31:34.920
for sure sure there's even want to dude there's food products that i'd be

00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:39.080
pretty interested in making yeah like i think you know how much i love breakfast

00:31:39.080 --> 00:31:45.960
cereal i've i've recommended you make cereal multiple i know i know but like am i there's a lot of risk with it dude am i going to be on

00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:51.240
the factory floor yeah exactly am i going to know if there's toenail clippings in it the factory floor probably won't even be in this

00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.080
country yeah i mean realistically yeah i don't know i mean

00:31:55.080 --> 00:32:03.560
actually i don't know like green products there's a lot of green here no i think where like where it is uh where where the uh where does like general

00:32:03.560 --> 00:32:08.280
mills make cereal where where is general mills based out of

00:32:08.280 --> 00:32:12.040
headquarters in minneapolis all right yeah they make cheerios in north america

00:32:12.040 --> 00:32:15.240
okay yeah there you go maybe that's a thing yeah maybe maybe that's a thing

00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.160
maybe that's a thing because like i i can't imagine shipping like

00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.840
basically air and wheat yeah i just automatically assumed it's a product

00:32:22.840 --> 00:32:26.040
it's made somewhere yeah no we have a lot of reproduction but yeah we do we do

00:32:26.040 --> 00:32:34.760
so that kind of makes sense um anyway in summary i don't like it

00:32:34.760 --> 00:32:38.520
yeah yeah all right it's bad all right unsubscribe yeah

00:32:38.520 --> 00:32:41.880
well i mean you've already signed it yeah after you unsubscribe i don't think

00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:47.000
i don't think that helps i mean i still would anyways sure but i mean yeah you do whatever you want yeah

00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:52.200
yeah i mean do you really need to watch moulin that badly probably not

00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.240
there's this whole thing going on with disney right now where they're losing

00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:59.960
the like the war for kids attention like the main

00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:07.320
viewers of disney right now are millenials not kids really um and like if you if you look interesting is that why inside out two

00:33:07.320 --> 00:33:11.080
killed it maybe hold on think about it think about it

00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:16.840
riley in the film is what 13 i'm not sure i think she's 13 because she's going

00:33:16.840 --> 00:33:20.040
into high school she's either 12 or 13 we're getting there we're getting

00:33:20.040 --> 00:33:26.200
yeah we're getting there so if i am at the at the the

00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:31.080
leading edge of millenials i'm in my early 40s right now

00:33:31.080 --> 00:33:38.920
if i had kids at 28 which is was a more normal age back

00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.080
then because now people are just not at all and if they do it all it's like

00:33:43.080 --> 00:33:47.160
well into their 30s but if i had kids at 28 all of a sudden my kids are

00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:51.320
around riley's age dude is this just a bunch of millenials

00:33:51.320 --> 00:33:59.560
taking the young families to see it probably am i a textbook case luke did they case study me because i took my kids to see

00:33:59.560 --> 00:34:03.320
inside out too you're probably part of it uh they've apparently even been

00:34:03.320 --> 00:34:07.080
making certain changes to the parks to cater to millenials more

00:34:07.080 --> 00:34:11.240
because millenials without kids are currently the main demographic

00:34:11.240 --> 00:34:15.160
of people going to disney parks and actually spending considerable money

00:34:15.160 --> 00:34:19.880
while they're there because it's childless millenials that like

00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:27.480
can afford it because if you have kids in your millennial you probably can't afford anything so it's it's really interesting and

00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.240
like they're they're they're losing a lot of

00:34:31.240 --> 00:34:35.080
they're losing a lot of viewership to youtube effectively

00:34:35.080 --> 00:34:38.360
yeah i don't remember what her name is but there's some lady that does something

00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.480
on youtube that is getting like incredible amounts of views for like

00:34:41.560 --> 00:34:46.200
kid content sure someone probably who knows i don't know but

00:34:46.200 --> 00:34:49.480
like they're miss rachel yeah someone in chat immediately knew what i was

00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.320
talking about um but yeah miss rachel's her name

00:34:53.320 --> 00:35:01.320
and there's a bunch of other kids content that's just like exploding coca millen stuff like that disney is not super in the picture right now when

00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:07.960
it comes to kids content one day ago yeah yeah

00:35:08.040 --> 00:35:11.080
are you kidding me right now yeah this chick owns

00:35:11.080 --> 00:35:14.600
kids youtube content

00:35:15.560 --> 00:35:23.320
owns it 147 million views in four months what even is happening right now

00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:28.680
yeah yeah she's closing in on a billion views on this i find this

00:35:28.680 --> 00:35:37.320
interesting yeah like thumbnail logic stuff right she advertises the the time of the video as an element of her thumbnail

00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:41.560
uh-huh so like oh i want my kid to leave me alone for an hour

00:35:41.560 --> 00:35:50.200
for 35 minutes yeah that is 50 minutes hilarious 60 minutes 85 minutes

00:35:50.200 --> 00:35:57.160
one hour wow and it's just it's it's super safe

00:35:57.160 --> 00:36:02.120
um dude she collabed with sesame street yesterday

00:36:02.200 --> 00:36:05.000
are you kidding me

00:36:07.160 --> 00:36:11.320
you know what sleigh queen but she's killing it absolutely yeah all right

00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.920
like i don't know anything about her for all i know she eats babies um that's

00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:18.360
why she makes videos for them but sure i don't know her i'm not saying she does

00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.560
do that i'm just saying i don't know her all i know is that she's actually

00:36:21.560 --> 00:36:25.800
mind-bogglingly successful but she seems pretty beating disney seems pretty

00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.640
wholesome on the surface so uh yeah sleigh she's a teacher

00:36:29.640 --> 00:36:34.920
apparently yeah not anymore i mean still but i just i don't i just mean

00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.320
not like you know out of school anymore unless she like also still is she

00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:46.280
might yeah just because like she might just that's crazy i gotta tell you i don't really i don't really see i don't really see the

00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:51.240
i don't i can't tell the difference between like the the kids content that

00:36:51.240 --> 00:36:57.240
works and the kids content that doesn't work um but i'm yeah i'm sure she's doing great anyway

00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:01.320
point is uh as far as my understanding goes a oddly high percentage of miss

00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.520
rachel's success has been word of mouth

00:37:04.520 --> 00:37:08.360
because all the parents are telling each other like my kid really likes this

00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.560
one also i've like watched some of it it seems really safe

00:37:11.560 --> 00:37:15.320
i've overheard conversations of parents telling other parents about miss rachel

00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.080
and then what is she just like less annoying than blippy so maybe

00:37:19.080 --> 00:37:22.920
win i don't know yeah i don't know anything about blippy but

00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.920
someone in flow plane chat i have no idea if this is true someone in flow plane chat said the studio that owns blippy was sold for three billion dollars

00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:34.440
wow it's a freaking wild dude okay

00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:39.000
oh sick yeah

00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:47.080
harlem shake plus blippy luke watch later i don't

00:37:47.080 --> 00:37:51.480
i don't think we need it's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake

00:37:51.560 --> 00:37:56.760
yeah man it's crazy because like sorry there's a there's a mashup that's

00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:03.320
basically the best hold on a second did disney buy blippy

00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.480
and was part of a three billion dollar acquisition by disney

00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.680
oh disney bought it because they're trying to fight for kids

00:38:10.680 --> 00:38:14.600
they're trying to get the kid viewership crazy

00:38:14.600 --> 00:38:18.360
oh wait what they made 17 million and sold for three

00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:22.040
billion oh man

00:38:22.040 --> 00:38:26.520
i don't know what i don't bus part of a three billion dollar acquisition

00:38:26.520 --> 00:38:30.840
by disney who knows fair enough all right anyway yeah man

00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.840
i i remember back in the day like looking at some

00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:41.080
like have you seen any of the weird like russian channels like russian like one of the biggest channels in the world

00:38:41.080 --> 00:38:45.160
is like as far as i can tell just these russian kids that are being exploited

00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:48.760
for views on youtube like it's probably like freaking wild and i'm not

00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:55.160
saying that because they're russian i'm saying that because like there's a lot of kids that are exploited for views on youtube it's just a thing

00:38:55.160 --> 00:39:00.680
yeah a hundred percent um yeah anyway i uh i remember looking at

00:39:00.680 --> 00:39:07.800
stuff like that as i was sort of like going through like top channels by country and like i just see these just explosive view counts i'm sitting here

00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:15.640
going dude we do so much work to reach like a million people

00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:19.240
because just frankly not that many people care about how many platters are in a

00:39:19.240 --> 00:39:27.880
hard drive or like whatever the sh** is we're talking about like yeah and i could i so i could just i could just i could sing songs i taught

00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:32.840
swim lessons i teaching swim i think that's almost like

00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:38.040
there's a fishy in the middle and he can't get out no he can't get out no he

00:39:38.040 --> 00:39:42.120
can't get out don't eat the thermal paste dude i can even sing on tune

00:39:42.120 --> 00:39:46.920
let's go subscribe to dude i i would watch it

00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.280
you would get an amount of people that would subscribe and watch dude like so

00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.920
many of these songs are just like um uh what's what's the term public domain

00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.680
and stuff like totally a lot of kids songs are dude whatever i could i could i could make up songs about surelock homes

00:40:00.680 --> 00:40:04.760
who's also public domain okay probably not for kids

00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:12.760
see this is why this is why i can't handle it i i think i i think i'd get bored i'm more arty in the nook

00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:17.240
surelock homes in like the case of the the the stolen binky or something

00:40:17.240 --> 00:40:21.960
oh my goodness it was in the power supply

00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:27.560
mom opened it unfortunately mom isn't around anymore

00:40:27.560 --> 00:40:31.800
the stories of hard times explaining difficult things i would not tune into

00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:37.240
your channel good that's right um all right

00:40:37.240 --> 00:40:43.800
anyway speaking of fishies in the middle oh this uh amazing i got fished

00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:48.440
yeah basically i think the so okay earlier this week

00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:52.920
actually i well man last weekend so almost almost an entire week ago

00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.000
uh we were having a pool party at our place sorry

00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.360
make his advertise said luke's channel is the one you get if you leave youtube on

00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.720
autoplay

00:41:03.720 --> 00:41:09.560
oh yeah that's way too real i'm an angel now and came back to earth as elsa

00:41:09.560 --> 00:41:13.880
elsa's building a computer wait don't she beat spider man

00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:20.440
i want to go home and start filming this immediately

00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:26.120
okay sorry anyway we were having a pool party and i got an email

00:41:26.120 --> 00:41:29.960
that basically was like someone logged into your twitter account from some ip

00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:33.000
address in russia okay so i'm gonna i'm gonna interject as you go

00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.320
through this yeah but you're referring to as russia is in fact

00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:41.240
russia plus yeah exactly well or as i've taken to calling it russia plus

00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:45.960
turkey russia plus you can't wait sorry

00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.960
carry on uh so did you do all of this on your phone

00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:54.040
so no okay so you got the alert and then you ran to your computer

00:41:54.040 --> 00:41:59.080
i did okay okay and um basically it dropped me on a

00:41:59.080 --> 00:42:03.080
page that was like hey reset your password and

00:42:03.080 --> 00:42:07.080
it's one of those things where i like to think i like to think

00:42:07.080 --> 00:42:11.640
that i am better than this for real i i like to think that i

00:42:11.640 --> 00:42:16.600
i can do better than this i know better than to click a link in an email

00:42:16.600 --> 00:42:21.560
you navigate to the site manually and reset your password that way

00:42:21.560 --> 00:42:27.000
so this is the yeah so john hammond a uh he's a youtuber who does the hacking

00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:31.000
and security content um i shared some of the details in the email with him and

00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.520
then he did this like really sick deep dive yeah so i'm gonna kind of go along with your story with with breadcrumbs that john

00:42:36.520 --> 00:42:39.960
hammond has so this is this is uh actually just the

00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.320
screenshot from you so this is the email that was sent to Linus

00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.440
it shows like the location being russia which for most people is going to

00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:53.480
instantly click is like something is very wrong it says that uh this account has logged in and then there's a link to secure

00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:57.400
your account now yep um and then when you clicked that link

00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.680
it would have brought you here yeah here we go

00:43:00.680 --> 00:43:04.680
yep right here yeah so that's how they got the password

00:43:04.680 --> 00:43:08.680
and then once i entered it here's a quick question yeah when you entered it

00:43:08.680 --> 00:43:12.840
did it say that it was wrong uh i don't think so

00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.120
don't remember because when john hammond was poking through the site he found

00:43:16.120 --> 00:43:19.480
that it will automatically tell you that you entered it wrong

00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:24.360
because they can't actually check yeah so they tell you it's wrong so that if

00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.880
you did actually enter it wrong you'll hopefully correct it

00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:34.760
interesting they're just trying to gather as much info as that's possible that's possible but like the thing is i they caught me at exactly the wrong

00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:41.960
moment and that's that's what i was that's what i was about to say because like i'd like to think that i'm better than this and smarter than this

00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:46.840
but i had just lit the grill oh it was hot

00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:51.160
i was supposed to go and get food to put on it

00:43:51.160 --> 00:43:55.400
there was kind of no one else to to do that um

00:43:55.400 --> 00:44:01.080
it was it was kind of Yvonne's event and and so i didn't want her to have to

00:44:01.080 --> 00:44:06.280
to have to cook and so i was like i was russian

00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:11.880
thanks um and i was like okay well i just need to get this

00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:15.080
locked down nothing else matters other than just like getting it locked down i

00:44:15.080 --> 00:44:19.080
don't ultimately i think part of it is i i don't really care

00:44:19.080 --> 00:44:22.360
about the twitter account i think there's a combination of things going on so

00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:28.040
so uh distracted time pressure from the barbeque yep

00:44:28.040 --> 00:44:32.040
there's the don't care as much about the twitter account like i've had multiple

00:44:32.040 --> 00:44:38.920
conversations in the last six months about just not bothering with it anymore yeah we don't get a ton of engagement there compared to um instagram compared

00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:43.480
to tiktok um our social team has mostly been

00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:47.880
redistributed within the company anyway because we're looking at it going

00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.480
what does the roi hear exactly like tweets yeah

00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:55.320
um and twitter's been a big part of that because it just it just doesn't move the

00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.520
needle for us we can tweet about a new video and we'll get like

00:44:58.520 --> 00:45:03.000
four referrals like okay why why are we even why are we even bothering with

00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:07.720
this um so the the the last one which i think

00:45:07.720 --> 00:45:14.600
you mentioned at one point in time publicly was that with the youtube hack there was some takeaways and one of the takeaways

00:45:14.600 --> 00:45:19.960
was act quickly so i i think taking those

00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:25.480
things combined it was a bit of a perfect storm sorry keep going yeah so so basically the next thing it prompted me for

00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.120
was my uh my 2fa which if i thought about it

00:45:30.120 --> 00:45:35.000
no i don't need my 2fa to reset my password because it should just go to

00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.200
my email to reset my password so what started happening

00:45:38.200 --> 00:45:43.080
was um at some point i i made it to my desktop i don't know if it was

00:45:43.080 --> 00:45:46.200
immediately that one sec sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna timeline us a little bit

00:45:46.200 --> 00:45:49.560
sure so this is the page um on your screen

00:45:49.560 --> 00:45:52.600
sorry this is the page that you would have gotten after you entered it one

00:45:52.600 --> 00:45:58.680
time um so maybe that is where i went to desktop then because i don't remember exactly like it was

00:45:58.680 --> 00:46:02.920
happening really fast yeah um there's there's a cup okay

00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:09.800
actually i'll go into ways that you could have figured out that it was wrong actually once we're done so this page comes up and then the two factor page

00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.480
comes up yes uh i'll find that you keep talking

00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:17.240
yeah so basically what i'm not going to get into too many details because that's

00:46:17.240 --> 00:46:24.680
you can tell i'm fuzzy on it i was distracted and i was in the middle of something but what started to happen was i started to get real

00:46:24.680 --> 00:46:28.440
password reset things that i was also doing

00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.440
mixed in with some of the fake stuff yeah and that's where i got

00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:35.400
really confused

00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:40.120
because i would i would get i'd get a i'd get a real password reset email

00:46:40.120 --> 00:46:44.200
but like it wouldn't work but then that's so confusing because

00:46:44.200 --> 00:46:47.800
it was clearly still tied to my email by that because that real password reset

00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:52.200
email was probably the hacker setting things over

00:46:52.200 --> 00:46:56.120
but those emails are still going to you that makes sense i never really

00:46:56.120 --> 00:47:00.360
thought about that so long story short i got

00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.680
discompubulated and i guess it happens to me once every eight years

00:47:04.680 --> 00:47:08.360
that's the last time i got fished wait wait no not eight years ago

00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:13.960
no the last time the last time i got uh bamboozled into clicking something on

00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:18.200
an email was the last time i lost control of the LTT channel

00:47:18.200 --> 00:47:21.960
so that's really old no that's older than that's older than eight years ago

00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:27.320
yeah hold on a second i'm going to find out when it was closer to like 12 or 13 in the meantime why don't you walk us through this

00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:31.400
and all the ways that this really it this hurts right because

00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:35.640
i know very well i know better if you sat me down and told me i'm going to give

00:47:35.640 --> 00:47:38.920
you like a security test and you asked me hey if you get a

00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:45.320
password reset email should you click the link i'd be like no yeah no you should navigate to the site manually i've even heard you say this

00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:51.000
before just to back you up um so first off uh if you really want

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.120
like oh hold on a second while you're while you're hosting this part you're

00:47:54.120 --> 00:47:57.640
going to eat humble pie i'm going to bring out a special treat

00:47:57.640 --> 00:48:04.280
for the show this is my humble pie uh which was meant to be a surprise for

00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.320
my co-host that i will be that i will be eating humble pie on the show

00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:13.080
today well you announced it earlier but i also talked about it early on the show now so i'm gonna i'm gonna get this going a

00:48:13.080 --> 00:48:18.680
because i deserve this um b because it's the right thing to do

00:48:18.680 --> 00:48:22.920
um when something like this happens the best defense we have

00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:27.400
is to own it publicly own it use it as a teachable moment

00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:31.960
um so that hopefully someone else will avoid a similar attack

00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.120
and uh reason number three because i'm actually really hungry

00:48:36.120 --> 00:48:39.880
and i could really use some pie right now i've actually had kind of a hard

00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:44.120
week nice nice um okay want some pie i assume

00:48:44.120 --> 00:48:48.600
not but i should offer it Dan would you like some pie uh yeah sure i thought

00:48:48.600 --> 00:48:51.960
you're gonna just eat the whole thing on WAN Show no yours doesn't have to be

00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.960
humble yours can be just blueberry pie only mine's humble berry i mean i can

00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.360
go leak the the twitter account again if you want then i'm gonna have some pie

00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.000
no that would be a stupid pie malicious pie

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:10.360
three point one four i fired yeah two point one no uninsured employment

00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:15.160
insurance pie yeah yeah uh if you want the the best

00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:18.680
public breakdown of this there's a couple but if you want the best one i would

00:49:18.680 --> 00:49:22.360
check out the the phishing website that hacked Linus tech tips

00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.800
video from john hamid that he posted two days ago i'm not going to

00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:31.720
play it for the stream because you should check that out what i will go through a little bit though is his twitter thread which is also a good

00:49:31.720 --> 00:49:34.760
breakdown of events but not as good as his video his video has

00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:39.720
extra little tidbits including a conversation that john haman had

00:49:39.720 --> 00:49:44.200
with the person who did this to you oh nice that's included in the youtube

00:49:44.200 --> 00:49:51.560
video so you should go check that out it's a really tell me it's a interesting conversation um john haman was was quite diplomatic about it i

00:49:51.560 --> 00:49:56.520
think in in an attempt to try to get more information but didn't get a ton of information but there's an

00:49:56.520 --> 00:50:00.760
interesting back and forth that happens including some like

00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.960
it's it you should go watch it it's really good uh Dan

00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:09.400
i um i went i fell just short of putting this in a blender

00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:12.600
but i think they heated this up or something because it's falling apart

00:50:12.600 --> 00:50:17.160
that's okay my mouth does that anyway here's your pie

00:50:17.240 --> 00:50:22.680
it's not wrong thank you very much okay so i'm gonna go

00:50:22.680 --> 00:50:27.000
somewhat through this twitter thread um this we can't see in this

00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.840
screenshot but the the sender email or the the from

00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:37.000
oh yeah totally wrong was like x-login.com or something

00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:41.160
can i interrupt for a moment can i interject the email you're referring to

00:50:41.160 --> 00:50:49.560
as xsomething.com is sorry i don't remember exactly when

00:50:49.560 --> 00:50:55.000
it happened anymore but at some point in the interest of simplifying the ui

00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:00.200
mobile mail clients stopped showing the email address by default there's a lot

00:51:00.200 --> 00:51:07.320
of things about this when did this when did that happen because it was years ago and why yeah i don't know probably space savings like

00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:12.840
condensing things um i remember thinking it was stupid back then

00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:19.160
and i i own part of the stupidity i i hold on let me get my humble pie let

00:51:19.160 --> 00:51:22.280
me get my humble pie i own part of the stupidity here

00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:26.760
but can that not be a thing like why is that a thing

00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:30.200
that would have definitely helped because i would have seen that it would

00:51:30.200 --> 00:51:34.040
have been front and center hold on hold on i'm also going to get that

00:51:34.040 --> 00:51:38.280
date for you um of the previous the the youtube one

00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:45.480
from way back yeah the i literally think it was like 12 years ago or 13 years ago um but yeah fine okay all

00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.080
right carry on carry on luke's laptop luke's laptop the from which isn't on

00:51:49.080 --> 00:51:53.880
screen right now but the from was info at x-login check.com

00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:58.920
so that's your first if you check that um that's your first flag that something's

00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.600
going wrong there's a couple other things that are wrong with the email

00:52:02.600 --> 00:52:10.360
but it's going to be really hard for you to be able to tell this is not an exact carbon copy of x's actual we noticed a login it's

00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:16.280
pretty close but it is different um but if you highlight over this secure your

00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:20.040
x account now um that's the next kind of

00:52:20.040 --> 00:52:23.880
somewhat easy tell that this is wrong uh because

00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.320
the link that went to you is this one this

00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:35.080
u45827238.ct.sengrid.net and then it wasn't

00:52:35.080 --> 00:52:38.920
uh an x.com domain so that's that's another giveaway

00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:42.760
once we get to the website itself this page

00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:49.720
uh there's a few things wrong with this page already

00:52:50.600 --> 00:52:57.400
old password is a little bit weird um all these links at the bottom aren't

00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:01.240
actually links that was a fun one that was figured out is that these don't go

00:53:01.240 --> 00:53:04.360
anywhere they're just texts that you can highlight with your mouse they don't

00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.880
they don't do anything and this like old password new password new

00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:13.400
password is kind of a weird way of writing this out this is like kind of a

00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:17.800
weird english way of doing this also some of the ui design just like doesn't

00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:21.960
feel 100 right but it's not super obvious it's just

00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.800
thanks for throwing that in for me it's just a little it's a little weird um

00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:31.560
moving forward uh he like looks into the this is really interesting he looks

00:53:31.560 --> 00:53:35.080
into the actual code figures out how things actually work finds the API

00:53:35.080 --> 00:53:38.280
request different things like that finds that the comments are all in turkish

00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:43.720
um does some more poking around where is the

00:53:43.720 --> 00:53:49.640
login failed here it is okay here's the next one when your first login fails

00:53:49.640 --> 00:53:53.720
every login that you do here is not real when it actually works it just

00:53:53.720 --> 00:53:58.280
offboards you to x's actual website because it's like whatever we have

00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:02.600
nothing to do with you anymore um but after the first time you put in your

00:54:02.600 --> 00:54:07.960
data it's going to ask you to do it again and it's going to say that it's wrong at this point in time you've already given them your

00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:11.480
information like you're i don't think you've given them your two

00:54:11.560 --> 00:54:14.840
factor at this point but you're already kind of screwed things that stand out

00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:18.520
here though even if this image loads i think the reason why this image didn't

00:54:18.520 --> 00:54:21.960
load at the time was because the account was set to private so i think when

00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.080
you get at the image would have loaded uh to be clear just didn't load for

00:54:25.080 --> 00:54:28.840
john hamid this change password button actually going flush against this

00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:32.840
bottom line is probably not something that um developers would have done

00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:39.160
there but also look at things like this your old password is incorrect space comma space please double check it no

00:54:39.240 --> 00:54:43.320
punctuation um nice little things like that can

00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.680
can tip you off that something's going wrong i don't know if he has the

00:54:46.680 --> 00:54:54.520
screenshots of it in this thread i know it's in the video but when it

00:54:54.520 --> 00:54:59.320
asks for the two factor code yeah it it says two fact

00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:02.600
um it doesn't uh yeah i don't think it's in here

00:55:02.600 --> 00:55:06.520
dang interesting um but he he has it in the video

00:55:06.520 --> 00:55:09.560
yeah but the the text for the two factor is like

00:55:09.560 --> 00:55:13.000
pretty bad um because it just says like two fact and it's it's all

00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:17.400
written oddly um but really like the easiest way to

00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.520
get around this stuff and an an automatic default and you should apply

00:55:20.520 --> 00:55:24.040
this to a lot of different scenarios not just potentially fishy emails

00:55:24.040 --> 00:55:28.680
um is when you're warned about something like this like if your bank calls you

00:55:28.680 --> 00:55:32.360
and they're like oh my goodness something terrible has happened

00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.200
say tell me what number i can call you back at no

00:55:36.200 --> 00:55:41.800
yeah and then you check it then you google the number you can check it if you want but you just google the number and call them anyways you don't you never

00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:47.720
call the one that they tell you on the phone unless you google it and it matches perfectly matches yeah yeah

00:55:47.720 --> 00:55:51.800
um or like oh sorry extension is what i would is what i would ask okay yeah

00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.840
because you need to be able to get back in touch with the person obviously but

00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:58.440
you don't don't talk to them yet yeah don't talk to them on the

00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:04.920
phone you want to be the person who reached out and you want to be able to verify the contact that you're going to reach out to them at

00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:08.040
through entirely your own methods don't listen to them telling you to google a

00:56:08.040 --> 00:56:11.400
specific thing in order to find them don't don't do any of that stuff

00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:15.240
find it completely on your own in this case what you do is it's oh there's a

00:56:15.240 --> 00:56:18.840
weird breach with my x account close that email load up

00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:22.760
x the app if you're on your phone or go to the x website directly yourself

00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.040
so desktop and then reset it that way this is one of the things that really

00:56:26.040 --> 00:56:30.600
screwed me here i'm not logged into that account

00:56:30.600 --> 00:56:36.680
on any of my devices not a single one so sorry i want to i want to point this

00:56:36.680 --> 00:56:43.000
out really quick someone in full plain chat said you don't even trust that the caller id is valid that is true it's you can absolutely fake caller id

00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:47.000
don't trust it at all no matter what it is and then find another way to reach

00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:50.360
back out so if i had been logged in to my twitter

00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.680
account i would have just used the app to sign out all

00:56:54.680 --> 00:56:58.120
other sessions yeah but i wasn't

00:56:58.120 --> 00:57:03.000
yeah what what threw me off was that you had said

00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:07.000
that you didn't click anything in the email so i didn't think i did i didn't

00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:12.760
think it was phishing so i was trying to figure out like what the heck would have happened because from my perspective i'm trying to think

00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:17.000
about like okay i mean the first thing everyone

00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:22.040
assumes i'm at defcon was it me right but i can rule that out

00:57:22.040 --> 00:57:25.400
pretty quick because nothing weird is happening to my stuff and if they got

00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:28.440
into any of my things why would they go after the x account

00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:31.640
it's like one of the least valuable things i have access to

00:57:31.640 --> 00:57:35.480
there is so many bad things that could be done like that doesn't make any sense

00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:41.320
to me i say okay so i rule that out pretty quick you say you didn't click on a link okay so i rule out phishing turns out it was

00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:47.560
phishing but i rule out phishing at the time then i'm trying to figure out okay if they got into like our password manager

00:57:47.560 --> 00:57:51.160
again why would they go after twitter or x or whatever

00:57:51.160 --> 00:57:55.000
it's like it's it's oddly low value compared to the other things

00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:58.760
that they were able to get if they had uh these other potential attack

00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:02.920
vectors so i came down to assuming poor sammy

00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.440
i came down to assuming that like sammy logged into the account

00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:12.680
from a personal computer that was compromised or something because i was like that's really the only route i can think of

00:58:12.680 --> 00:58:17.160
that would have worked for this and my brain is just completely on fire trying

00:58:17.160 --> 00:58:21.560
to figure out like what the heck how did this happen

00:58:21.640 --> 00:58:25.800
and then i think it was john hamann reached out and was like

00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.280
hey it kind of looks like it's phishing and he pointed out a few reasons why

00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:33.720
and then these are again things that wouldn't have been

00:58:33.720 --> 00:58:38.840
super obvious in the moment but are ways that he was able to verify that it

00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:43.720
was a phishing email later so one this Android thing is not an

00:58:43.720 --> 00:58:48.280
Android version so that's interesting

00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:53.480
yeah yeah yeah um

00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:56.600
he also noticed when he did get emailed by them

00:58:56.600 --> 00:58:59.880
that the Android version changed so he thinks it's just like a random number

00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:03.720
or something not entirely sure and then if you look up

00:59:03.720 --> 00:59:07.480
the x login account device email thing or

00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:11.640
or make it happen somehow yeah it is a little bit different so he could he was

00:59:11.640 --> 00:59:15.720
able to verify that it was a phishing email there so i looked back into it

00:59:15.720 --> 00:59:19.080
and i had linea send me the email and then oh yeah oh okay

00:59:19.080 --> 00:59:22.440
i realized before i even click send to you that i was done

00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:29.800
i was like oh crap absolutely wrecked yeah someone said ask how many followers

00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:33.640
does the linesec twitter account have they could just want exposure um

00:59:33.640 --> 00:59:40.120
sure but again if they had any of these other methods why just take the x account if you had our password manager you could take the

00:59:40.120 --> 00:59:47.320
x account you take the instagram account you take the youtube account and then hit all them at the same time like just taking the s account is pretty low

00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:53.240
value if you have like actually breached

00:59:53.240 --> 00:59:56.440
things that we have but if it's it makes sense that if food be a phishing

01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:09.800
that's the the phishing topic nice be be vigilant watch yourselves

01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:15.240
always vigilant yeah yep and check out john hammins video because it's

01:00:15.240 --> 01:00:18.040
fantastic yep

01:00:18.840 --> 01:00:22.280
all right apparently it's time for us to do some merge messages no it's not

01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.800
it's not i don't know what it's what go up to the phishing topic at the very

01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:28.680
top there's this

01:00:29.240 --> 01:00:34.680
oh uh oh then announce oh yeah hey yeah oh yeah we have

01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:40.280
do you want to want to go to the thing sure so uh

01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:43.960
do i have to read all right you know what i can't no no no no no hold on let me

01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:48.120
get some of the pie get some of the humble pie

01:00:48.120 --> 01:00:52.360
eating the humble pie what better way to commemorate

01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:56.360
Linus getting got than with a limited edition t-shirt

01:00:56.360 --> 01:01:00.440
and hoodie these are print to order so um

01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.520
yeah these are these are mock-ups of what the design will look like but you

01:01:04.520 --> 01:01:09.000
guys know we do we do a great job of our merge um

01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:15.240
got fish is it the whale land whale but without the jewelry

01:01:15.240 --> 01:01:18.760
yeah which we know a whale is not a fish calm down

01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:22.760
um yeah yeah designed by sarah these are a reminder

01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:26.600
to always be vigilant about the emails you receive

01:01:26.600 --> 01:01:31.160
clearly it can happen to the tech tippiest of us thank you for that team

01:01:31.160 --> 01:01:35.720
but the best part is we are donating all of the profits from the shirt and

01:01:35.720 --> 01:01:41.960
hoodie to the electronic frontier foundation a non-profit which defends internet civil liberties

01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:46.120
that says luke should be able to talk more about the org since he picked it

01:01:46.120 --> 01:01:51.240
they are now available at LMG.gg slash got fish

01:01:51.240 --> 01:01:56.040
if you google eff uh you're probably not going to get the

01:01:56.040 --> 01:02:00.760
the eff that we're talking about uh so electronic frontier foundation yeah so

01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:04.680
look that up not the acronym um but yeah they they they

01:02:04.680 --> 01:02:08.360
seem pretty cool to me i don't know a huge amount about them but they

01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:12.920
they have like three different parts of their organization i don't remember

01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:16.440
them exactly one of them is a legal base where they try to

01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:23.400
jump in on certain trials and um help in whatever kind of way benefits civil

01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:26.600
civil liberties for people because their biggest thing is i don't remember what

01:02:26.600 --> 01:02:29.960
they call it but it's where they try to jump in on

01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:34.840
cases where like precedent is being set cool and they try to make sure that the

01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:40.680
right precedent is being set in these cases they also develop things so if i remember correctly correctly it's like

01:02:40.680 --> 01:02:45.240
privacy badger or something is made by them which is cool

01:02:45.240 --> 01:02:48.440
and there's there's other stuff that they do that's that's cool as well we

01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:53.000
were trying to pick a like kind of somewhat hacker-centric

01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:57.080
organization so thought this made sense cool yep

01:02:57.080 --> 01:03:03.080
so we're we're gonna we're gonna turn this l into a w as best we can uh while

01:03:03.080 --> 01:03:07.080
you're on the store this week we've actually got some pretty exciting new

01:03:07.080 --> 01:03:11.240
products oh my goodness they've got a whole

01:03:11.240 --> 01:03:16.680
they've got a whole thing for me okay so first of all scribe drivers

01:03:16.680 --> 01:03:20.360
which i wish we'd called the write-off but hey the name is done the packaging

01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:24.360
is printed uh we're going to the Linus camp scribe drivers

01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:29.080
our pens that are made out of failed screwdriver shafts from our original

01:03:29.080 --> 01:03:32.600
supplier that kind of jerked us around screwed us

01:03:32.600 --> 01:03:38.120
over i think that's the word i was looking for uh they are not knurled enough for a screwdriver

01:03:38.120 --> 01:03:42.200
but they are knurled enough for a wonderful little writing implement with

01:03:42.200 --> 01:03:46.040
a cool uh bolt action uh pen action so you

01:03:46.040 --> 01:03:50.040
guys can check that out we've got uh 10 000 in stock

01:03:50.040 --> 01:03:54.120
which is a which is a lie uh because we actually have

01:03:54.120 --> 01:04:01.640
on yesterday before end of the workday we were already around 50 percent of that yeah i know uh hold on hold on hold on let me check

01:04:01.640 --> 01:04:05.240
let me check so if you guys are wanting to get in on this shipment of scribe

01:04:05.240 --> 01:04:09.400
driver you might want to move pretty fast because we've already sold through

01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:15.000
6200 of them and we restocked them yesterday a little before noon i think

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:21.160
so cool um yeah go check it out it takes standard uh it takes

01:04:21.160 --> 01:04:24.600
standard ink things from what are what are their names again

01:04:24.600 --> 01:04:33.000
LMG.gg slash pen here you go uh where is it uh yeah parker g2 refills

01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:37.240
these have been really popular reviewed really well uh from our first shipment

01:04:37.240 --> 01:04:41.160
people are friggin loving this thing are you guys going to carry the refills

01:04:41.160 --> 01:04:44.600
uh no i don't think so because people could just like

01:04:44.600 --> 01:04:49.480
order them from amazon or wherever like uh

01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:52.520
maybe maybe not i don't know and you can use whatever you want

01:04:52.520 --> 01:04:57.080
yeah like that's the thing right i that was kind of the whole point is

01:04:57.080 --> 01:05:00.840
we're not selling you a subscription for a pen we're just selling you a pen and

01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.640
you can put whatever refills whatever color whatever whatever it is you like i'm just thinking if i if i want this pen

01:05:05.640 --> 01:05:09.240
long term yeah i might buy the pen and some refills i know

01:05:09.240 --> 01:05:12.840
thing but then we have to like find a supplier for refills

01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.840
you're not you're not wrong i the team knows okay yeah yeah they're they're

01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.280
working on it but either way you can get refills from wherever you want

01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:24.760
cool um oh apparently we changed the print on the boxes from gloss black to white

01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:27.880
to make it read a bit more easily anyway it's available

01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:32.200
with a brass or stainless steel accent and uh

01:05:32.200 --> 01:05:38.360
enjoy the bigger one is guys the laptop bag

01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:43.640
the laptop bag is finally here have you actually been hands on with it yet

01:05:43.640 --> 01:05:47.640
never genuinely not once which terrifies me because that's he always

01:05:47.640 --> 01:05:51.080
uses this as a way for me to show it off and i don't know what i'm doing every

01:05:51.080 --> 01:06:00.200
time he's the worst vana ever yep and i kind of love it about it here it is full of stuff meet the off

01:06:00.200 --> 01:06:04.920
site we're going to the loot cam okay here we go oh yeah

01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.000
it's an off-site storage reference ha ha or off-site work

01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:12.520
reference i mean i wasn't involved in the naming on this one at least it's

01:06:12.520 --> 01:06:16.040
better than what we normally do which is which would have been

01:06:16.040 --> 01:06:22.040
laptop bag yeah so you know what baby steps um baby steps

01:06:22.040 --> 01:06:26.520
hey who we're going to loot cam uh even though it looks like one it is not a

01:06:26.520 --> 01:06:30.440
sleeve it holds way more and already wants us to zip

01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.040
the laptop pocket open which is the one on your left

01:06:34.120 --> 01:06:38.280
the one by the the one by the little handle okay sorry i was inspecting the

01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:42.120
zippers for a second okay so first you've got a laptop pocket it opens up

01:06:42.120 --> 01:06:45.640
way deeper than that sir oh no that one doesn't no no

01:06:45.640 --> 01:06:53.320
yeah don't the other one sorry sorry sorry sorry first you get the laptop pocket which is lined in micro suede and is divided into two sections

01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:58.200
one where most laptops will fit and then the other is a snug pocket for smaller

01:06:58.200 --> 01:07:03.160
laptops and devices okay he wants you to zip the laptop

01:07:03.160 --> 01:07:07.480
pocket back up wow arty's got all these instructions and everything

01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.520
direct instruction he knows both of you very well he works for creator

01:07:10.520 --> 01:07:15.240
warehouse now uh our old uh social lead um okay

01:07:15.240 --> 01:07:19.560
but then but then you unzip the primary storage compartment

01:07:19.560 --> 01:07:23.640
no one can see what you're doing luke god just how do i even

01:07:23.640 --> 01:07:27.320
unzip the primary storage compartment okay you got to unzip it all the way

01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:31.560
and there's a pocket for just about all of your smaller electronics and

01:07:31.560 --> 01:07:36.040
accessories dude this is crazy like the number of laptop

01:07:36.040 --> 01:07:39.080
sleeves and stuff that don't have a place to hold a charger

01:07:39.080 --> 01:07:42.440
is absolute madness to me that's the mouse pocket okay

01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.640
it's the big one this one so you can hold a real charger

01:07:45.640 --> 01:07:49.320
you can hold a real freaking charger anyway we're supposed to highlight the

01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:53.640
laptop charger pocket the mouse pocket okay because like we

01:07:53.640 --> 01:07:56.840
understand we understand and respect that you need to carry a mouse

01:07:56.840 --> 01:08:02.040
we've got our cable loops um there's a micro suede tablet sleeve so you can

01:08:02.040 --> 01:08:07.240
carry a tablet around with you as well and we even have a hidden air tag pocket

01:08:07.240 --> 01:08:10.280
did you catch for the oh oh yeah i only knew that was there because he showed

01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:13.480
me before the show nice but this thing which could hold

01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:17.400
a scribe driver um you can like roll that away

01:08:17.400 --> 01:08:21.080
and then fit it in in there best thing about it

01:08:21.080 --> 01:08:24.840
is everything's in sight everything's easy to reach no rummaging around inside

01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:28.280
your bag and then there's a smaller pocket at the front

01:08:28.280 --> 01:08:32.360
it was just a lot bigger of a book than i expected heck yeah uh there's a smaller

01:08:32.360 --> 01:08:37.000
pocket at the front you can close it um for like your passport or wallet or

01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.520
any other small objects oh whoa there's individual little

01:08:40.520 --> 01:08:46.840
sleevey things in here as well yeah heck yeah heck yeah so i've seen a lot of people commenting that it's really expensive

01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:51.800
i was like yes do you know how much those ykk zippers cost

01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:55.320
do you know how much all these pockets and all of this construction costs i

01:08:55.320 --> 01:08:58.600
don't i don't make the rules um it's one of those conversations we've had a

01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:04.920
lot of times expensive versus overpriced yes it's expensive no it's not overpriced um all right let's go back to the

01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:11.480
loot cam you also have another pocket in the back here that magnetically opens and closes so that that pocket that that was in is

01:09:11.480 --> 01:09:14.680
magnetic which is kind of nice because it just will hold it closed

01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:18.120
and pulls out the shoulder strap so this has a wide padding that's

01:09:18.120 --> 01:09:24.840
very similar to the straps that you'd find on the LTT backpack and it secures onto the laptop bag with two locking carabiners

01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:28.440
if you're not into that it is completely detachable

01:09:28.440 --> 01:09:32.200
available in two sizes small and large for 99.99 check out which one your

01:09:32.200 --> 01:09:36.760
laptop fits through the size guide LMG.gg slash laptop bag yeah so if you

01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.600
were tossing this in like another bag or just wanted to carry it by the carry

01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:44.520
handle that i don't know if we mentioned you could take this thing off with the

01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:48.920
locking carabiners and then repurpose this back sleeve for whatever else i

01:09:49.080 --> 01:09:53.160
guess yep um considering that they're not

01:09:53.160 --> 01:09:56.760
shipping yet so they're expected to start shipping by the end of this month

01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:00.680
these are actually moving pretty well i'm very very excited

01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:08.280
it's a luggage strap yes oh yeah cool right yeah it's a pretty featured laptop

01:10:08.280 --> 01:10:13.960
bag it's like the a lot of people saw our backpack

01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:18.600
and we're like who the heck is this for and then the tens of thousands of people

01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:22.840
who know what it's for bought it and loved it this is like the same kind of deal

01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:26.040
it's the same kind of deal it's the laptop bag for people who have actual

01:10:26.040 --> 01:10:29.960
like fucking work to do and have stuff they need to carry

01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:34.120
you know like she's she's kind of thick when she's loaded up actually if you

01:10:34.120 --> 01:10:37.480
kind of show that's that's with a laptop and a tablet and the chargers

01:10:37.480 --> 01:10:40.920
and the mouse and the books and and the shoulder strap and everything like it's

01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:44.760
not harry potter technology but it can get relatively thin yeah

01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:48.680
things things take up space but it's uh it's designed to be able to fit stuff

01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:52.840
very very very very excited to be launching this one

01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:56.520
uh webbing on the sides um i don't think you would call it webbing but

01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:02.360
they're like loops there's loops here yep so and right here there's another

01:11:02.360 --> 01:11:05.880
loop it's currently being used for the the um luggage strap but this

01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:08.920
luggage strap is velcro on yeah you could remove it if you weren't

01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:12.520
going to use that feature cool right and then it's the same two loop on the

01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.960
other side so if we ever have accessories they might attach to the loops

01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:19.560
there or or or you could just hang cute

01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:25.880
little you know crystals or figurines off of it i don't care i suspect that'll be the most common use yeah oh yeah oh yeah

01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:30.680
oh yeah but cool what is the max size of laptop we have a size guide on the site

01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:35.400
cool yeah go check it out um i wanted so badly for it to fit the framework 16

01:11:35.400 --> 01:11:40.200
with the GPU hump but it's the weirdest shaped laptop ever

01:11:40.200 --> 01:11:44.280
and i was like sorry framework i love you guys very much but it's not going to

01:11:44.280 --> 01:11:49.480
fit in our laptop bag yeah yep i know guys i know

01:11:49.480 --> 01:11:52.760
believe it or not my investment in framework

01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:56.440
does not actually guide the decisions we make as a company

01:11:56.440 --> 01:12:02.120
if it did that would be a big problem yeah

01:12:02.120 --> 01:12:07.480
um all right what else we got we want to talk about oh oh we're supposed to

01:12:07.480 --> 01:12:12.120
explain merge messages all right so yeah if you were going to order something hey now's the perfect time to leave a merge message

01:12:12.120 --> 01:12:16.440
don't do super chats don't do twitch bits do merge messages because that way

01:12:16.440 --> 01:12:19.800
you can throw money at your screen you can interact and interact with us and

01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:26.440
support the show and you can also get great products in the mail so all you got to do is go to lttstore.com

01:12:26.440 --> 01:12:29.880
and in the cart you'll see a little box that gives you the option to fill out a

01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:36.120
merge message it'll go to producer Dan hey look there he is wow he's real i mean this could be pre-recorded

01:12:36.120 --> 01:12:39.960
Dan prove it's not pre-recorded

01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:45.960
see if i leave this long enough a loop it actually is pre-recorded

01:12:48.200 --> 01:12:52.040
no i can't uh so it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to

01:12:52.040 --> 01:12:56.040
himself forward it internally uh pop up your message down there like that or

01:12:56.040 --> 01:12:59.160
well that's his message what are you what are you trying to who you're playing

01:12:59.160 --> 01:13:03.080
too thick what are you even talking about

01:13:03.080 --> 01:13:07.800
anyway uh or they probably liked it or he'll send it to me and luke

01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:11.000
for uh as a curated merge message and we'll talk about it on the show what

01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:14.440
do we got mr Dan oh well we have loads of merge messages

01:13:14.440 --> 01:13:18.200
coming in today we've had so many people buy pens

01:13:18.200 --> 01:13:21.400
oh it's pens it's pens there's a lot of pens

01:13:21.400 --> 01:13:27.640
we've done how many how many though luke how many though

01:13:28.280 --> 01:13:32.760
do you know how many pens yeah just here hold up your ARM and i'll write how

01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.040
many there are okay use the pen okay there we go

01:13:36.040 --> 01:13:41.800
where do you where do you want you want it inside yeah okay

01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:47.240
oh no i know what's happening i've just embraced it at this point

01:13:47.240 --> 01:13:51.720
luke you were moron

01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:56.120
i mean i got fair but at least i didn't pull for that i only got it when you

01:13:56.120 --> 01:13:59.480
started writing on his head i was like what does he mean how

01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:04.920
many slide oh man okay

01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:08.920
honestly what the second you can at least tell the people yeah

01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:16.280
that many pens 15 15 pens 15 pens the second the second he started

01:14:16.280 --> 01:14:20.600
rails like i just it's happening now there's no point

01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.440
what's the first line is there like it's better than just embracing yeah

01:14:24.440 --> 01:14:28.680
yeah exactly you know i actually feel a little

01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:35.640
better are you sure you wouldn't like some humble pie it wrote no i'm good i i deserve it but i i yeah

01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:40.040
it wrote pretty well for a pen on on yeah it comes with a quality refill out of

01:14:40.040 --> 01:14:45.160
the box um but then you can put in anything you want after you put in a crappy one if you really want

01:14:45.160 --> 01:14:49.240
uh if we ever do a promo on the pen it should totally

01:14:49.240 --> 01:14:54.520
pen 15 15

01:14:54.760 --> 01:15:00.680
uh all right uh yeah so we are probably gonna do a pen company now

01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:04.760
i know right like what the heck dude i don't even understand what even kind of

01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:09.080
what what even kind of company are we do you know how many of those ppm 79 50

01:15:09.080 --> 01:15:12.680
thermal pads we sell probably a ton on a random day

01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:19.160
like earlier this week we didn't have any promos running we didn't have any product launches or anything we sold a hundred units of that just like do you

01:15:19.160 --> 01:15:22.440
think it could be like builders in one day

01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:26.280
yeah like so what i'm saying is like are there single orders of a bunch of them

01:15:26.280 --> 01:15:31.880
oh that i don't know because that would be interesting to me because i know they can just be like really annoying to get you know what

01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.960
our timing was great because even though it took us forever from the video we

01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:40.280
made about it to getting it in stock uh there was a recent article on i think

01:15:40.280 --> 01:15:43.320
it was igor's lab where he was breaking down like bad thermal

01:15:43.320 --> 01:15:46.360
paste that uh GPU manufacturers have been using

01:15:46.360 --> 01:15:51.640
and then he used ppm 79 50 or maybe it was a separate article about ppm 79 50

01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:55.400
hold on i'm just gonna bring it up uh

01:15:55.400 --> 01:16:00.280
yeah 79 50 either way he's been he's been talking about it

01:16:00.280 --> 01:16:07.240
there you go not so overhyped um they are they are freaking awesome so

01:16:07.240 --> 01:16:11.480
it's been like in the news and being discussed

01:16:11.480 --> 01:16:15.160
a lot especially lately and as far as i can tell

01:16:15.160 --> 01:16:19.560
we're like no one ever mentions us for some reason which is weird but

01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:23.400
when people go looking for it we are like the go to

01:16:23.400 --> 01:16:28.840
for reasonably priced well packaged ppm 79 50 um

01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:32.680
someone in chat said i bought seven of the smaller pads when they were on sale

01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:36.760
there you go yeah but i'm just wondering if there's

01:16:36.760 --> 01:16:39.880
if there's like actual professional builders that are just getting it from

01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:46.760
there like all right because i don't know maybe they buy much larger sheets combat jam says for the ppm there's a

01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:51.000
cooling dude on youtube who does consoles and stuff who talked about your ppm

01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:56.920
and how it's just easier to get and you know it's the right stuff without going through china like that was my big problem when we were trying to get it

01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.360
to make our video finding a reputable a reputable

01:17:00.360 --> 01:17:04.360
source for it was a nightmare and i was like this is just this is stupid

01:17:04.360 --> 01:17:08.040
because this is a quality product from a brand that everybody knows if you've

01:17:08.040 --> 01:17:12.040
never heard of honeywell like you've been probably living under a freaking

01:17:12.040 --> 01:17:15.800
fridge that was made by them like it's like they're just one of those companies

01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:20.120
that makes everything right and it seemed so ridiculous to me

01:17:20.120 --> 01:17:24.680
that counterfeits existed of a stupid thermal pad

01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:28.920
and that not only did they exist but they were so convincing

01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:34.680
while not having the performance characteristics that it was almost impossible to determine which one was good and which one was bad

01:17:34.680 --> 01:17:40.200
and i was like okay well we just need to get in touch with honeywell which by the way is a lot harder than you would think

01:17:40.200 --> 01:17:49.000
like honeywell does not care about your $50,000 order of thermal pad

01:17:49.080 --> 01:17:53.320
zero this is the number of f's that they give about our business but

01:17:53.320 --> 01:17:57.160
fortunately it was i believe it was a connection through a viewer

01:17:57.160 --> 01:18:01.000
who worked for a distributor who was able to get in touch

01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:04.360
with honeywell so that that was how we were ultimately able to get

01:18:04.360 --> 01:18:10.760
definitely absolutely PTM7950 actually real yeah and uh yeah super cool

01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:14.440
so what kind of company are we are we a thermal pad company

01:18:14.440 --> 01:18:19.800
we sell 100 thermal pads a day luke you sell pads and shafts that's all you

01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:22.680
sell a day

01:18:23.320 --> 01:18:27.240
you're a weird person i'm not the one who said that

01:18:27.240 --> 01:18:31.240
you're the weird person it's true

01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:36.200
you know flatten around that's two things you sell clothes and

01:18:36.200 --> 01:18:43.960
only two shapes two shapes two shapes flatter round flatter round lumpy okay less than a hundred a day less than a hundred a

01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:49.080
day in the last seven days uh 572

01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:54.120
is this is this seven days yeah is this seven days

01:18:54.120 --> 01:18:58.120
why what just some of these things there's just a lot of them

01:18:58.120 --> 01:19:04.040
dude LTT stores are real business yeah yeah wow i know right it messes me up

01:19:04.040 --> 01:19:10.440
every time i look into it the fact that at one point time we were a water bottle company and there's no water bottle up there

01:19:10.440 --> 01:19:13.480
oh yeah there's one well most of our water bottles are out of stock it's a

01:19:13.480 --> 01:19:17.880
long story but oh yeah that's part of it um and then we were we i think we were

01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:21.400
a water bottle water bottle company and then we were a mouse pad company

01:19:21.400 --> 01:19:24.600
yeah and then overnight we became a screwdriver company

01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:28.040
and also a backpack company like i had a very similar time they launched

01:19:28.040 --> 01:19:31.720
almost at the same time man i still can't looking back

01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:36.680
that was stupid i ordered a hundred thousand seventy

01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:39.960
dollar screwdriver what the f*** was i thinking

01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:45.480
i mean it worked out i know but it was crazy yeah

01:19:45.480 --> 01:19:49.480
that one to be fair that one had a lot of like lore behind it

01:19:49.480 --> 01:19:52.840
sure but logo for the channel and like all this kind of stuff what if it wasn't

01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:56.040
good yeah what if project farm had reviewed it and been like yeah it's a

01:19:56.040 --> 01:19:59.640
piece of that was like the the number of people that

01:19:59.640 --> 01:20:05.640
i've seen you know criticizing the price or whatever it's like yeah criticize it all you want but the reality of it is to make a high quality

01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:09.160
product like that with licensed patents from companies that develop

01:20:09.160 --> 01:20:12.920
products that you could patent stuff like it it's not like it's cheap it's not

01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:15.640
like i could just turn around and and liquidate them for ten dollars

01:20:18.120 --> 01:20:24.920
no it's it's just an expensive screwdriver and i'm sorry that's just the way it works um so if project farm had been like

01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:29.160
yeah it's rubbish that would have been it i would have been done

01:20:29.160 --> 01:20:32.280
what's what's this video i had no oh i don't know

01:20:32.280 --> 01:20:40.280
i haven't looked at it the last time i looked at it which was quite a while ago it was cooking um see

01:20:40.280 --> 01:20:44.520
4.1 million he's got a million on the stubby

01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:50.120
dude that's wild if you're wondering why these aren't

01:20:50.120 --> 01:20:54.040
watched uh it's just because we're on like the wan the wan accounts that's

01:20:54.040 --> 01:20:59.240
crazy uh no that's not even that's not even oh no i use my this isn't my

01:20:59.240 --> 01:21:02.360
personal i use my personal to watch youtube because i have premium

01:21:02.360 --> 01:21:08.200
um yeah and like look like he's not the only

01:21:08.200 --> 01:21:15.080
opinion that matters obviously but he is an influencer in the truest sense of

01:21:15.080 --> 01:21:19.080
the word yeah where he influences yeah i feel

01:21:19.080 --> 01:21:24.440
like he probably wouldn't love that um but i don't because of the i don't

01:21:24.440 --> 01:21:27.640
mean it in the derogatory sense yeah because the association that it has

01:21:27.640 --> 01:21:36.440
with things but i understand what you're saying and i do i mean he's someone who other people go to for the advice they give to

01:21:36.440 --> 01:21:39.880
anyone i knew that is that is influence with a capital

01:21:39.880 --> 01:21:44.440
i yeah and so he was terrifying i knew about project farm from

01:21:44.440 --> 01:21:49.480
from years before he he reviewed the screwdriver um

01:21:49.480 --> 01:21:53.320
i i i don't remember why i think i found like a video that he did on jeans or

01:21:53.320 --> 01:21:57.560
something yeah sure i don't i don't remember what it was

01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:02.440
but yeah as crazy guy guy covers like everything counterfeit tool

01:22:02.440 --> 01:22:07.560
batteries like knife sets i'm just looking through what he's done lately i haven't checked out the channel in a little while

01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:10.680
like the best trash bags like yeah i need to know that yeah why not i should

01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:14.600
probably watch that one i need to know what's a good trash bag

01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:21.400
how else how else will i throw away my trash effectively i mean who who likes garbage juice who likes garbage juice getting all over

01:22:21.400 --> 01:22:28.120
your floor i hate that i hate that it sucks doing the apartment building all the time it's gross yeah so so i don't mean any disrespect when i say

01:22:28.120 --> 01:22:32.200
influencer i mean one who is influential he has influenced me

01:22:32.200 --> 01:22:35.960
yeah um so yeah that was that was pretty scary have

01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:39.400
have we really spent all this time yick yacking without actually doing a merge

01:22:39.400 --> 01:22:42.760
message Dan Dan can you confirm i uh yeah the

01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:46.200
longer that i'm not doing merge messages the more merge messages there are so

01:22:46.200 --> 01:22:53.800
i'm not really too bothered to be perfectly honest cool good chat goodbye can we do a merge message though i was going to say

01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:56.920
i actually do need to do one more yeah let's do like a couple i think

01:22:56.920 --> 01:23:02.600
okay hi dll i work at work i use an identity vetted email service it has

01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:06.040
zero spam mainly because of the vetting process would you consider

01:23:06.040 --> 01:23:10.520
identity vetting if it meant an end to cheating NVIDIA games

01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:16.920
oh oh wow that was not where i was expecting either

01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:20.680
i think at a certain

01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:25.480
like you know they have like casual ranked if they have like casual ranked

01:23:25.480 --> 01:23:29.640
competitive and competitive had like identity vetting

01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:33.480
i think i'd be cool with it i would do it no question

01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:37.480
i had someone actually email me after the phishing yeah yeah i was i was

01:23:37.480 --> 01:23:41.400
gesturing with my head if you didn't still read it nice

01:23:41.400 --> 01:23:44.360
it's just tuning in now

01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:48.840
he's an enthusiast it's his new tattoo they got it from Linus

01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:53.800
it was a gift oh man he got it 15 times

01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:57.480
hey oh yeah hey yo um

01:23:57.480 --> 01:24:01.720
anyway i had i had someone reach out to me um

01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:05.560
looking numbers they're like a security they're like a security researcher

01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:09.560
they do security solutions um yeah basically they were like

01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:12.920
hey yeah so here's all the here's all the stuff

01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:17.080
that i was able to dig up on you uh you know do you want to know

01:24:17.080 --> 01:24:21.320
do you want to know more about this and here's some potential insights and

01:24:21.320 --> 01:24:25.000
um you know here here you can have a look at you know here's a here's a device

01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:29.320
you used in 2019 and uh here's apps that that you've

01:24:29.320 --> 01:24:33.480
installed and here's this and here's that and i'm just like

01:24:33.480 --> 01:24:37.800
thanks all of that's public you can probably find more info on me on rocket

01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:45.480
reach if you really want it my privacy is dead and he's like no it's not dead it's not dead it's not dead i'm just like

01:24:45.480 --> 01:24:49.800
it definitely is though uh oh dude dude it's so dead

01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.480
it's so dead man like it's dead it's been dead for a while

01:24:53.480 --> 01:24:57.960
it's been dead for a long time i mean i have lived so much of my life

01:24:57.960 --> 01:25:01.960
on the internet at this point like

01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:05.480
every once in a while i think about it um someone will talk about like

01:25:05.480 --> 01:25:09.800
og you know youtubers or whatever that are still active

01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:13.480
dude it is getting to the point where there aren't

01:25:13.480 --> 01:25:17.320
that many genuinely from like very small

01:25:17.320 --> 01:25:21.160
my era i was at i was at defconn over the weekend and one of the things that

01:25:21.160 --> 01:25:27.800
happened was some people that we were hanging out with didn't know like who i was so i would explain

01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:31.480
uh and they'd be like oh cool like when did you guys start that

01:25:31.480 --> 01:25:35.240
and i'd say the era they would just be like

01:25:35.240 --> 01:25:40.840
like what i'm like yeah not actually the beginning but like at this point it

01:25:40.840 --> 01:25:47.560
might as well be yeah the funniest thing about that is when i got started on youtube i felt i was sure it was too late

01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:51.560
yeah i was like no it's too late yeah i'm like oh that everyone's already

01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:55.080
established at this point i'll never catch up like i'll be irrelevant in the

01:25:55.080 --> 01:25:58.600
tech space forever um same thing with twitch man you look at

01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:02.280
you look at the popular twitch moves faster in regards to pushing people to

01:26:02.280 --> 01:26:05.400
irrelevancy you look at the top like x amount of

01:26:05.400 --> 01:26:09.800
creators on twitch even from like a year ago or two three years ago yeah it's

01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:13.640
completely cycled yeah i mean the whole like whoever like x

01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:18.760
x fell off you know asterisk fell off it's it's it's a meme at this point

01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:23.400
yeah the only x number of viewers blah blah bro fell off right like it's

01:26:23.400 --> 01:26:26.440
someone told me recently about the like the five-year rule

01:26:26.440 --> 01:26:30.440
where it's like practically impossible for any like influencer creator whatever

01:26:30.440 --> 01:26:34.440
you want to call it to stay at a at a high peak for

01:26:34.440 --> 01:26:38.040
more than five years can't do it i call it the curve i've talked to you about

01:26:38.040 --> 01:26:41.640
that before that's my it's my term for it the curve has only one shape

01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:45.560
yeah that's it yeah i wonder how my curve's doing you used to be able to see

01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:49.240
it all on social blade because um that was before

01:26:49.240 --> 01:26:53.080
it's one of the most annoying things youtube has done yeah youtube um made

01:26:53.080 --> 01:26:56.680
them stop displaying data that they collected via the API

01:26:56.680 --> 01:27:00.200
that is over two years old so you used to be able to look

01:27:00.200 --> 01:27:04.600
at the entire lifespan of any channel and you could see

01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:09.240
the entire like shape of the curve and it was always

01:27:09.240 --> 01:27:12.520
well and the subscriber numbers also weren't as like chunky this

01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:16.120
yeah yeah um hey hey hey look at this though

01:27:16.120 --> 01:27:20.520
look at this we're going up guess who's back

01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:25.720
back again your hair is blind

01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:29.800
nondies back kind of works out tell a friend

01:27:29.800 --> 01:27:34.040
anyway yeah wait did you just get an LTT Store ad

01:27:34.040 --> 01:27:38.040
you probably didn't see it oh did that happen i don't know i i don't see

01:27:38.040 --> 01:27:41.640
the ad close the page yeah look oh yeah look at that

01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:48.040
nice that's not a very good ad we paid to show ourselves what's even happening

01:27:48.040 --> 01:27:51.240
like you don't i can't even fully tell it's an ad it's just like what is even

01:27:51.240 --> 01:27:55.720
the point of it random icons

01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:59.160
interesting so if i if i click a specific product is it open that product

01:27:59.160 --> 01:28:03.640
opening to hit tab yeah yeah do we even is this water bottle even in stock

01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:08.520
i don't know it is yes okay so it managed to pick a product that's in

01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:11.560
stock that's something that's good uh circuit desk pad yeah

01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:14.840
okay it's a nice desk pad okay so it does open the individual

01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:21.560
wait can you even buy that is that is that a size we carry what is this size oh okay oh sold out okay well

01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:24.600
yeah it makes sense we're not going to restock that size it's so small

01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:28.840
yeah it's i mean it's adorable but no um oh are we not bringing a circuit

01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:33.000
desk pad back in oh well it'd be nice if i could filter by stock is that

01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:36.120
something that the star team could do like just so i could say like show only

01:28:36.120 --> 01:28:39.240
in stock or something i think so that'd be kind of cool

01:28:39.240 --> 01:28:43.240
uh can someone log that the arrow on that drop down is also

01:28:43.240 --> 01:28:46.520
uncomfortably close to the bounds of the box but yeah i mean no professional

01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:53.480
web developer would ever do that according to your thing earlier oh that wasn't that wasn't the thing that was wrong that wasn't the thing that was wrong

01:28:53.480 --> 01:28:59.560
yeah yeah yeah come on um

01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:02.600
oh already says you can you have to go to all products

01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:06.120
well yeah but i want to be able to do it like on the individual yeah he means for

01:29:06.120 --> 01:29:10.360
variants yeah that might be pretty annoying but we'll

01:29:10.360 --> 01:29:16.360
i'll i'll mess around we'll look into it yeah if there's anything we can do that be pretty cool uh all right what are we what are we supposed to be

01:29:16.360 --> 01:29:20.520
talking about right now here's a second merch message ah yes what about second

01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:23.640
merch message hey you need to be home by nine

01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:28.600
yeah i was not informed of this i was not informed of this you were

01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:32.280
yeah you were like halfway through the show no

01:29:32.280 --> 01:29:39.320
yeah yesterday what yeah he's on first pink

01:29:39.320 --> 01:29:42.680
i don't know i'm just i'm i i have no idea what they did it and talk about

01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:48.440
i don't care red yeah get wrecked i don't remember this now you're

01:29:48.440 --> 01:29:55.160
wrecked on camera hey do you want some more of that pie i haven't finished this one because i can't stop typing because i'm up to 187 now uh

01:29:55.160 --> 01:29:58.280
hey dill i've been thinking a lot recently about netbooks and i think the

01:29:58.360 --> 01:30:01.960
form factor should return besides their underpowered components why do you

01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:05.880
think we haven't seen any recently you know that's a

01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:09.480
funny question um the usability issues with netbooks

01:30:09.480 --> 01:30:12.760
went beyond the slow hardware because that's

01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:16.520
something that is totally solved at this point you could make a high

01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:20.120
performance computer in the in the form factor of an acer

01:30:20.120 --> 01:30:24.920
aspire one at this point throw like uh like a AMD apu in there or

01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:28.120
something like that i mean look at the size of something like the steam deck

01:30:28.200 --> 01:30:32.840
absolutely you could make a netbook but for me the usability issue with the

01:30:32.840 --> 01:30:36.280
netbook was less to do with the performance with those crappy Intel

01:30:36.280 --> 01:30:41.480
adam cpus and it was more to do with uh the usability of it

01:30:41.480 --> 01:30:45.320
it's not like the it's not like the form factor doesn't still exist like

01:30:45.320 --> 01:30:50.120
companies like gpd essentially specialize in building products that

01:30:50.120 --> 01:30:54.520
address that market like look at this here's the here's the win max uh 2024

01:30:54.520 --> 01:31:03.800
edition here let's just fire that up i'm gonna click and add let's go but there you can't oh no not that one no no not the win max hold on

01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:07.720
hold on hold on hold on uh no the one that i want is

01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:11.400
uh is it the pocket micro pc i think it's the win four

01:31:11.400 --> 01:31:14.520
i think it's the win four let me have a look here

01:31:14.520 --> 01:31:20.760
uh pocket three no not the win four i can never remember their product naming

01:31:20.760 --> 01:31:24.520
scheme where are the hands for scale whatever the point is that you can

01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:32.600
definitely get devices in these form factors but what made netbooks so special was that they were super cheap

01:31:32.600 --> 01:31:35.640
yes that's what made them sell the only reason why people really was the only

01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:39.080
reason people cared so now that we want performance that's decent

01:31:39.080 --> 01:31:42.600
they're not that cheap and the usability issues that existed for

01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:46.200
netbooks like their little tiny screens and little tiny

01:31:46.200 --> 01:31:51.560
keyboards those haven't gone away and i think a lot of people were kind of

01:31:51.560 --> 01:31:55.720
tech curious about the category and tried it and realized

01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:59.480
once and for all that they never need to do that again

01:31:59.480 --> 01:32:03.560
there are definitely careers that i could end up in

01:32:03.560 --> 01:32:07.400
where i could be convinced to use a netbook like device

01:32:07.400 --> 01:32:10.840
potentially uh there was one really cool one that i think was

01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:15.960
from gpd that had uh an input on it so that you could actually use it as a

01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:20.360
display and keyboard and mouse for a device like as a as a

01:32:20.360 --> 01:32:25.400
mobile technician or something like that oh that'd be so cool

01:32:25.400 --> 01:32:29.160
but at anything i have to type on for any reasonable amount of time i want it

01:32:29.160 --> 01:32:33.960
to have a proper size keyboard and i just i'd rather i'd rather

01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:37.960
save my space this way you know and have a keyboard

01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:41.400
than save my space this way and not be able to type on the device

01:32:41.400 --> 01:32:47.000
because you have to put the battery in it either way it's going to have to have a certain internal volume if you want to have reasonable battery life

01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:50.440
this so this i don't believe is a topic in the doc but someone in full plane

01:32:50.440 --> 01:32:53.800
chat just mentioned it and i'm going to just say it out loud so you can look

01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:59.320
into it if you want but apparently there was a two billion plus leak of

01:32:59.320 --> 01:33:03.160
personal uh date of birth and social security numbers

01:33:03.160 --> 01:33:08.040
for us citizens that happened okay there's not two billion sorry what

01:33:08.040 --> 01:33:11.960
it says two b plus i don't know that doesn't make any sense

01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:15.160
doesn't make much sense to me either unless maybe it includes uh numbers

01:33:15.160 --> 01:33:19.080
and information of deceased people oh not even then

01:33:19.080 --> 01:33:22.200
i don't think there's been ever two billion americans total isn't there like

01:33:22.200 --> 01:33:29.960
over three hundred million yeah so if it's cycled yeah that'd be a lot of times yeah no okay um

01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:33.960
anyway big leak well would you cut it in half

01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:37.880
uh two point seven billion records apparently it's uh yeah it's it's the

01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:41.960
number okay so it's a lot more than half so it's probably counting a record for

01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:49.160
a full name a record for an address a record for date of birth a record for social security etc yeah it's a lot a lot of stuff

01:33:49.160 --> 01:33:52.440
like i said it's not a prep topic the number is definitely wrong but a major

01:33:52.440 --> 01:33:57.480
record holder got hacked essentially yeah okay yeah um also the records are

01:33:57.480 --> 01:34:00.760
inaccurate okay cool well yeah it'll include dead

01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.880
people changes of address all kinds of stuff like that got it

01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:07.240
troy hunt apparently has a blog post about it that makes sense

01:34:07.240 --> 01:34:11.560
he would do that all right want to talk about super cool real estate dystopia

01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:15.800
yeah all right uh this is a great article that i read on the atlantic

01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:19.320
earlier this week um just a few months after reports

01:34:19.320 --> 01:34:22.840
emerged that modern cars were sharing information with auto insurers

01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:26.200
a california woman had her home insurance cancelled because of

01:34:26.200 --> 01:34:30.600
drone footage um oh wait this this is two different oh okay this is two

01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:33.880
different things this is not the uh the the atlantic

01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:37.160
article so first is one from petapixel um

01:34:37.160 --> 01:34:41.160
jones van curin's insurance provider of 40 years csaa dropped her home

01:34:41.160 --> 01:34:44.680
insurance citing unacceptable hazards and liability exposure

01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:50.760
van curin was told by a representative that they flew a drone over her house and concluded that the final phase of her home of her home renovation project

01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:54.840
was hazardous clutter now here's we've talked about this before

01:34:54.840 --> 01:34:58.360
because this has happened to someone else um but what's interesting about this

01:34:58.360 --> 01:35:02.760
one to me is that her insurance provider csaa

01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:08.040
is saying hey we didn't violate your privacy

01:35:08.680 --> 01:35:12.760
we don't have drones we just paid someone who did we used

01:35:12.760 --> 01:35:17.480
several sources of information to assess the condition of the property

01:35:17.480 --> 01:35:21.320
which could include aerial imagery captured by third party

01:35:21.320 --> 01:35:30.280
fixed-wing aircraft and satellites sick and ah this is going to be a tenuous

01:35:30.280 --> 01:35:34.280
connection but this kind of reminds me of the disney

01:35:34.280 --> 01:35:39.000
um okay the disney case earlier where it's like

01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:42.840
look if you're gonna have your brand name on it

01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:49.240
if you're gonna have it as part of your business practice at the end of the day you know if you're amazon and you're going oh

01:35:49.240 --> 01:35:53.240
well those those mistreated truck drivers or whatever they are

01:35:53.240 --> 01:35:57.240
they don't work for amazon isn't there some amount of precedent for this

01:35:57.720 --> 01:36:02.200
they're contractors i mean that's why companies contract

01:36:02.200 --> 01:36:06.120
so that they're not responsible for the workers conditions

01:36:06.120 --> 01:36:09.400
so that if something goes wrong they're not liable

01:36:09.400 --> 01:36:13.240
or they can cut ties and just walk away or maybe because they really want to

01:36:13.240 --> 01:36:18.120
work with that person but that person's in another country and then that's the only way that it can work we like our contractors hello

01:36:18.120 --> 01:36:22.840
or because they live in cobalt in cobalt it's complicated

01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:26.040
cobalt's a whole heck of a thing but i'm not talking about hiring a contractor

01:36:26.040 --> 01:36:29.720
i know i'm just i'm talking about taking an entire

01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:33.080
division of your business or an entire role within your company contracting it

01:36:33.080 --> 01:36:36.600
to another and contracting it to another company

01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:41.400
who then can treat those people however and theoretically there's this

01:36:41.400 --> 01:36:45.960
there's this layer of insulation between your brand and your company

01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:49.400
and what they're doing and it's like i don't understand

01:36:49.400 --> 01:36:54.120
why we allow that insulation to exist if you

01:36:54.200 --> 01:36:57.960
if your contractor is using aerial footage to

01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:03.480
why are we getting into this conversation about who's who the drone belongs to

01:37:03.480 --> 01:37:09.800
who cares yeah you are using drone footage that was

01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:14.600
collected which is technically legal i guess but you're using drone footage to

01:37:14.600 --> 01:37:18.280
surveil someone's private property and determine if they should be eligible

01:37:18.280 --> 01:37:21.720
for insurance or not it's just it's freaking dystopian

01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:25.800
that's the issue although it's not nearly as dystopian as this next one and

01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:29.400
look i am not a lawyer i'm not a legal advisor

01:37:29.400 --> 01:37:34.040
so take everything that i'm about to say for the ignorant rants of a lay person

01:37:34.040 --> 01:37:37.240
that they are but this one really upset me

01:37:37.240 --> 01:37:40.440
this one's from the atlantic here the original article you should go read it

01:37:40.440 --> 01:37:50.040
it's really good it's going to break it down more than what we're talking about but in other unfortunate real estate news 30 to 60 percent of multifamily

01:37:50.040 --> 01:37:57.160
building units in 40 housing markets are apparently using property management software from the company real page to

01:37:57.160 --> 01:38:03.640
adjust rent prices okay so far i guess right

01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:08.120
sure but real page has been accused of antitrust

01:38:08.120 --> 01:38:16.920
violations and price fixing due to their ai revenue management algorithm

01:38:16.920 --> 01:38:21.320
see he's starting to i'm starting to get some twitches in the thing

01:38:21.320 --> 01:38:26.360
basically property owners input their unit prices and vacancy rates

01:38:26.360 --> 01:38:30.360
and then the algorithm spits out a rent recommendation

01:38:30.360 --> 01:38:34.760
based on what competitors are charging

01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:38.680
the lawsuits actually multiple lawsuits against real page and their lawsuits

01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:42.760
against similar services allege that the landlords actually

01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:46.680
encourage their competitors to also use the service

01:38:46.680 --> 01:38:53.000
why because if they're all using it then everyone will get better results

01:38:53.000 --> 01:39:01.560
uh-huh uh-huh and they can collude without talking to each other directly

01:39:01.560 --> 01:39:05.240
and they can all work together to raise prices to

01:39:05.240 --> 01:39:08.600
sorry excuse me let me use the correct term here

01:39:08.600 --> 01:39:12.840
ai manage their revenue

01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:18.120
this is flipping wild and the reason that i wanted to talk about this is

01:39:18.120 --> 01:39:23.720
because the tech bro cabal you know the the the tech

01:39:23.720 --> 01:39:29.400
elite whatever whatever you want to call them the people who are out there doing interviews and making arguments

01:39:29.400 --> 01:39:34.120
about these ai agents or algorithms and i don't really think it's fair to call

01:39:34.120 --> 01:39:37.320
an ai agent an algorithm i actually don't really like that term

01:39:37.320 --> 01:39:41.480
because to me an algorithm is something that can be expressed as a function

01:39:41.480 --> 01:39:46.840
whereas machine learning is not necessarily simply expressed as a

01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:50.440
function you can you can express the desired outcome

01:39:50.440 --> 01:39:54.680
you can express what the input was but what you can't express

01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:58.200
is exactly how it achieved that necessarily

01:39:58.200 --> 01:40:01.480
because it's going to depend on how many times it has

01:40:01.480 --> 01:40:05.320
adversarily reinforced itself in order to achieve that outcome like it's not

01:40:05.320 --> 01:40:10.280
sometimes it's not a simple function though that that narrative is used by

01:40:10.280 --> 01:40:13.880
companies that want to well i'm getting to that i have no control

01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:17.880
i'm getting to that here's my problem is the people that are getting out there

01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:24.360
and doing these interviews making those arguments i'm really glad you brought that up because that's exactly where i was going with it

01:40:24.360 --> 01:40:28.200
they've got to pick a f***ing lane because on the one hand

01:40:28.200 --> 01:40:33.400
right they're kind of going oh we couldn't possibly know it's a black box

01:40:33.400 --> 01:40:41.000
yeah it's a black box we don't know how it works um we just try to poke it and hope yeah we we just hope for the best right

01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:45.320
and then when they want to when they want to train it

01:40:45.320 --> 01:40:49.880
right uh when they want to use um let's say copyrighted

01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:55.640
or otherwise you know not legally available content like say from youtube

01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:59.240
channels or or netflix or whoever else well then

01:40:59.240 --> 01:41:03.880
now all of a sudden well you know it's uh it's

01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:09.800
oh wait this wasn't quite the argument i wanted to make whatever okay let's back up a little bit let's back up a little bit so when they want to train it

01:41:09.800 --> 01:41:13.320
okay the argument that they make is that it's kind of like a person

01:41:13.320 --> 01:41:19.160
right like anyone any any entity could have consumed that content and learned

01:41:19.160 --> 01:41:22.520
and everything that it that it produces from that point

01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:25.800
whether whatever similarity it bears to what it learned from

01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:30.440
is just like any any person would right but then

01:41:30.440 --> 01:41:34.840
the legal argument around this uh this price fixing issue

01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:38.680
anytime it does something that they don't like it's not it's not it's not a

01:41:38.680 --> 01:41:42.120
person it's just an algorithm yeah so you got to

01:41:42.120 --> 01:41:46.200
decide which one it is yeah does it behave like a person

01:41:46.200 --> 01:41:50.040
taking in information from around it and then

01:41:50.040 --> 01:41:55.240
and then black box doing its own thing with it and it's generative

01:41:55.240 --> 01:42:02.040
or is it an algorithm and can't be held accountable for behaving

01:42:02.040 --> 01:42:05.960
like a person would because that's the argument that real page is making

01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:09.480
they're basically saying that well because

01:42:09.480 --> 01:42:13.160
none of these people are talking to each other

01:42:13.160 --> 01:42:18.440
there is no single entity that is bringing the entire thing together to

01:42:18.440 --> 01:42:22.440
become collusion they're all just using an algorithm that is

01:42:22.440 --> 01:42:25.880
suggesting things to them based on information that it has

01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:29.400
but the lawyers who are filing these lawsuits argue that

01:42:29.400 --> 01:42:34.040
it like a person yeah who was acting as an intermediary

01:42:34.040 --> 01:42:38.040
has private information that it shouldn't have

01:42:38.040 --> 01:42:42.040
in order to give those recommendations sorry it took me a while to get there but

01:42:42.040 --> 01:42:48.040
basically we made it my whole thing is like look you've got to pick a lane yeah you've got to decide if they're people

01:42:48.040 --> 01:42:51.240
and therefore should be allowed to intake any content they want like a person

01:42:51.240 --> 01:42:55.000
would or if they're just algorithms in which case well I

01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:58.760
guess you can't really do that to to train them they shouldn't be able to

01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:02.280
take in that information either way it's pretty clear to me that what real

01:43:02.280 --> 01:43:06.520
page is doing is textbook collusion and price fixing

01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:09.720
yeah it's just that the textbook was written a

01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:14.120
long time ago yeah this is this is horrible

01:43:14.120 --> 01:43:22.840
i i'm really hate corporate residential investment

01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:28.440
but that's a story for another time yeah and just again i'm not a lawyer

01:43:28.440 --> 01:43:31.880
i don't i don't know the law but what i do know is

01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:39.080
this doesn't seem right yeah um and i am i don't think it's cool

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you ready luke you are disassembling a ridge wallet i am why

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because i'm trying to figure out is can you buy like swappable plates

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i don't know i took the plate off um they get they give you a screwdriver in the

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um okay that's also how you get to the strap crannin Floatplane chat says i've

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3d printed plates for mine that's cool uh elijah said it's to add the air tag

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neat cool thanks luke no problem and also to add the money clip

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oh okay uh Dan hit me sure what's the most unexpected loss

01:48:18.040 --> 01:48:24.280
leader you ever came up with either for LTT Store or LMG in general

01:48:24.280 --> 01:48:29.080
oh uh the elemental t-shirt um remember those shirts that just had LTT

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logos in the top that was um that was turning one of our biggest

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l's into a w because it turns out while people weren't that into the

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design of just an LTT in a random color on a shirt

01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:46.840
people were super into the quad pack bundles that we did of them

01:48:46.840 --> 01:48:52.040
at a really aggressive price um people liked them so much as a stupid loss

01:48:52.040 --> 01:48:55.080
leader item that we actually intentionally did i think

01:48:55.080 --> 01:48:58.440
either two or three rounds i remember of printing those shirts

01:48:58.440 --> 01:49:02.200
with the intention of selling them for um

01:49:02.200 --> 01:49:05.880
i think by the time we like everything was handled and everything i'm pretty

01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:10.760
sure they were at a loss so um good job team um

01:49:10.760 --> 01:49:14.360
i mean it is a thing that businesses do well where they will buy something

01:49:14.360 --> 01:49:17.880
with the intent of not making money on them with the intent of losing money

01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:21.400
on them but it doesn't happen that often for us we're a pretty small company we

01:49:21.400 --> 01:49:25.160
don't we don't just buy stuff to lose money on it

01:49:25.160 --> 01:49:32.120
generally speaking isn't that like the whole thing with the cosco food yeah yeah rotisserie chicken the hotdog

01:49:32.600 --> 01:49:37.960
rotisserie chicken is a huge one yeah i didn't even know that the rotisserie

01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:42.040
chicken was like a loss leader thing until i i read they are so

01:49:42.040 --> 01:49:47.000
cheap for what they are you can't you can't buy a uncooked chicken for

01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:50.520
for for less which is crazy and it's cooked in season and everything they're

01:49:50.520 --> 01:49:53.560
really nice so this is just a cosco sponsorship now

01:49:53.560 --> 01:49:58.600
uh val hieric says the rotisserie chicken isn't a loss leader

01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:02.440
really that doesn't that doesn't compute for me

01:50:02.440 --> 01:50:08.280
i i don't think you're i'm not sure they say they don't waste a single bit of it

01:50:08.280 --> 01:50:12.280
well yeah but even then guys it's just a chicken they just took a chicken and

01:50:12.280 --> 01:50:17.480
they put it in a plastic container yeah guys i i i don't i don't know i'm

01:50:17.480 --> 01:50:23.240
i'm pretty sure i'm i'm pretty sure uh in a 2023 earnings call cosco chief

01:50:23.240 --> 01:50:27.480
financial officer richard galanti said cosco's rotisserie chicken is an

01:50:27.480 --> 01:50:30.520
investment in low prices to drive membership

01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:34.280
to drive sales in a big way that's just a fancy way of saying loss leader

01:50:34.280 --> 01:50:37.640
it's at the back of the store like the bathrooms for a reason

01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:42.360
yeah and uh the next line of this is almost exactly what line has said word

01:50:42.360 --> 01:50:48.440
for word is that's a fancy way of saying that the product is a loss leader yeah

01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:53.320
i wasn't even gonna say it i was like wait that's almost my word

01:50:53.320 --> 01:50:57.640
um yeah crazy yeah i mean i think it is

01:50:57.640 --> 01:51:00.760
or it might even be a thing like maybe maybe they profit like

01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:06.520
a tenth of a cent on each one that's still kind of a loss leader in a way

01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:10.040
yeah because even just the administration of having that is

01:51:10.040 --> 01:51:14.280
going to make that automatically not worth it yeah

01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:19.160
all right LMG continues it's assault on my wallet

01:51:19.160 --> 01:51:23.320
Linus did you ever hear from big time about sponsoring them

01:51:23.320 --> 01:51:28.920
uh unless a deal is done you know i'm not gonna yeah i'm not gonna talk about

01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:36.040
it um what i will do is i'll reiterate that we would love uh we'd love to do a sponsorship with big time

01:51:36.040 --> 01:51:39.720
there's even if you know everyone agreed in principle that that was a good

01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:46.280
idea there'd be a lot of details to sort out like you know let's say they were like oh yeah sure sounds good uh how about

01:51:46.280 --> 01:51:50.680
one billion dollars you know for a for a community post you know obviously we

01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:54.120
wouldn't move forward with that so there's a and i'm not saying they did that

01:51:54.120 --> 01:51:58.200
i'm just saying there's a thousand reasons that something might not go through

01:51:58.200 --> 01:52:03.560
even if we'd like to and even if they'd like to so i i'm very interested in it

01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:06.920
personally but there's also other stakeholders internally that need to be

01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:10.680
convinced we don't just operate based on what

01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:14.760
Linus thinks is a good idea anymore we have other leadership and that's a good

01:52:14.840 --> 01:52:18.440
thing what a loss you're a loss

01:52:18.440 --> 01:52:21.080
and a leader

01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:29.480
i don't i don't think i'm uh is this loss i yeah do would you call

01:52:29.480 --> 01:52:35.080
like support departments and infrastructure a loss leader in a company

01:52:35.080 --> 01:52:39.240
oh uh they're known as the burden department yeah yeah not loss leader but

01:52:39.240 --> 01:52:43.400
i just cost the company money because a loss leader actually has to have the

01:52:43.400 --> 01:52:48.680
potential to generate profits elsewhere yeah we don't come here for infrastructure

01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:52.920
no but i think that's true because i mean if we didn't have a single server

01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:59.800
i think about the infrastructure department think about the accounting department you're called cost centers burden yeah i've heard that one says

01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:03.320
the warden no i know cost centers yeah that's a nice

01:53:03.320 --> 01:53:09.720
yeah no you don't get to be a loss leader sorry i don't know if cost center is a nice name i i prefer burden department because it's

01:53:09.720 --> 01:53:16.040
way more offensive burden department yeah like you're a net drain on this company

01:53:16.040 --> 01:53:21.400
keep doing your job but we're looking at you it's like oh i'm sorry for being

01:53:21.400 --> 01:53:24.920
employed by you if you didn't have us your company would

01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:31.640
implode but it doesn't mean it's on your balance sheet is anything good investors what's this well that's the

01:53:31.640 --> 01:53:36.120
entire workforce that makes that makes our well we got to get rid of them

01:53:36.360 --> 01:53:40.760
well outsource them and then the company implodes that's basically what happens

01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:44.600
all the time yeah layoff yeah we'll just outsource it

01:53:44.600 --> 01:53:48.680
you know we'll get it stuck is doing poorly fire everyone

01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:54.840
i love who's gonna fix the company ai yeah uh that'll make the stock go up

01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:58.680
what do we do when that doesn't work i don't know that's some others shareholders

01:53:58.680 --> 01:54:02.680
problem i'm okay i'll get a golden parachute move on to the next one

01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:06.600
yay uh in in the badminton center is definitely a

01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:10.040
cost center not a loss leader yeah especially when it takes all of our

01:54:10.040 --> 01:54:16.040
infrastructure people away i wanted to do my job i have good news

01:54:16.040 --> 01:54:20.120
no it's good news why are you gonna be such a

01:54:22.520 --> 01:54:26.760
so i had a meeting with the city oh no way

01:54:26.760 --> 01:54:30.280
i had a meeting with the general manager of the city of surrey

01:54:30.280 --> 01:54:33.400
i can't believe i haven't talked to you about this i didn't know cities had

01:54:33.400 --> 01:54:39.480
general managers they sure do i thought it was just mayor well i mean mayors have staffs they don't just do everything

01:54:39.480 --> 01:54:43.080
you sound like one of our viewers who thinks that i like it's just like a big

01:54:43.080 --> 01:54:47.720
guy in an office and bake the weed and like a little red hen over here like no

01:54:47.720 --> 01:54:51.640
they have of course they won't eat no wheat oh it's a story of the little red

01:54:51.640 --> 01:54:57.160
hen i know if i said weed did you have children's stories it's like the canadian version of the little red hen

01:54:57.160 --> 01:55:01.320
not the weed the red hen rolls the joints in a tiny peak

01:55:01.320 --> 01:55:06.040
you don't bake the weed the weed bakes you

01:55:06.040 --> 01:55:10.120
never get eye in your own supply Linus

01:55:10.120 --> 01:55:15.480
okay so those eggs would be off the chain though

01:55:15.480 --> 01:55:22.040
from high chickens okay it's like high chew but way worse

01:55:22.040 --> 01:55:25.880
um okay important meetings yeah so so we had a meeting with the

01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:30.120
general manager of the city and in much the same way that you know i

01:55:30.120 --> 01:55:35.960
can't say with confidence oh we're going to sponsor big time or you know whatever i can't say with confidence that we're

01:55:35.960 --> 01:55:40.040
going to be able to move forward with whale lands at the badminton center

01:55:40.040 --> 01:55:46.360
slash i'm just going to start calling it smash champs so that's that's what it's called it's called smash champs um i'm not saying that we're going to be able

01:55:46.360 --> 01:55:50.120
to move forward but what i will say is that we had a really

01:55:50.120 --> 01:55:54.520
constructive meeting um we chatted for almost two hours

01:55:54.520 --> 01:55:59.720
so it was a it's never a good sign when a meeting is 15 minutes

01:55:59.720 --> 01:56:05.000
um it is almost there's like a there's like a happy spot like

01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:08.760
how good of a sign it is is if it's a four hour meeting it's probably bad

01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:12.520
so it was almost two hours including two site visits

01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:16.760
so they went to smash champs and then they also came here to the office

01:56:16.760 --> 01:56:20.680
to get an idea of you know what our operation looks like

01:56:21.320 --> 01:56:25.080
for like land gaming and slash sport in the city

01:56:25.080 --> 01:56:28.680
and then what our operation looks like that pays for

01:56:28.680 --> 01:56:33.720
land gaming and sport in the city in order to just like get an idea of what

01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:37.800
we're about and i will tell you this at the end of

01:56:37.800 --> 01:56:42.600
the meeting the question the summary question was okay

01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:45.880
what do you need from us to get these gaming events going

01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:50.360
oh that's a nice one it's not a guarantee

01:56:50.360 --> 01:56:53.400
no there's you know red tape but it's it's good

01:56:53.400 --> 01:56:58.440
red tape can't be immediately you know cut necessarily no matter

01:56:58.440 --> 01:57:02.520
what kind of position of power they're in but this is really cool for me as a

01:57:02.520 --> 01:57:06.040
resident of the city of Surrey i've i've observed many times over the years

01:57:06.040 --> 01:57:10.040
that there is like all to do here um and one of the big

01:57:10.040 --> 01:57:14.600
problems is that our previous councils uh like our city councils

01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:19.480
have not prioritized it yeah so to have fun you have to travel out of the city

01:57:19.480 --> 01:57:23.880
basically for a long time and what's cool is one of the things that he said

01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:28.520
is that in his 10 years working for the city um this is the first council

01:57:28.520 --> 01:57:33.240
that has come to him with a mandate of hey figure this out that's awesome

01:57:33.240 --> 01:57:36.280
actually yeah that's very cool and even not even

01:57:36.280 --> 01:57:39.320
just the impact on smash champs like obviously i'm happy about that

01:57:39.320 --> 01:57:43.320
but i'm also excited about the idea of things to do

01:57:43.320 --> 01:57:46.600
being something that the cities that are out here care about

01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:49.720
i'm gonna bundle in like Langley stop acting like suburbs

01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:52.920
carrying a little bit more with like the Langley event center and stuff but

01:57:52.920 --> 01:57:56.840
even that like unless you're doing organized sport

01:57:56.840 --> 01:58:01.160
it's i mean that helps that's cool yeah i like Langley event center

01:58:01.160 --> 01:58:04.440
i'm for it but we need kind of more stuff like that

01:58:04.440 --> 01:58:08.680
yeah a hundred percent and and it's it's it's funny because uh one of the

01:58:08.680 --> 01:58:11.720
things that he also mentioned is i forget what the time frame was but i think

01:58:11.720 --> 01:58:14.920
it's sometime in the like next 10 or 20 years based on projections

01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.200
Surrey's going to be the biggest city in the province

01:58:18.200 --> 01:58:22.120
not Vancouver yeah i mean that makes sense because Vancouver's already built

01:58:22.120 --> 01:58:27.240
up and Surrey's only built out and not even completely built out

01:58:27.240 --> 01:58:31.480
um and so major inefficiencies like the like the fact that we don't

01:58:31.480 --> 01:58:35.320
the fact that they have like all the sports arenas and like all the

01:58:35.320 --> 01:58:39.160
entertainment district and all that stuff is sort of it's sort of like why

01:58:39.160 --> 01:58:43.480
yeah why is why sorry why is Surrey a suburb of

01:58:43.480 --> 01:58:47.080
Vancouver like like why don't we just why don't we have cool stuff to do here

01:58:47.080 --> 01:58:51.960
and i love that mindset yeah that's yeah yeah no it's great

01:58:51.960 --> 01:58:55.480
and so yeah so i was talking to him and i was just like look like i'm

01:58:55.480 --> 01:58:59.560
i'm i like to live my life via improv rules

01:58:59.560 --> 01:59:02.920
right and improv rules is you work together

01:59:02.920 --> 01:59:07.400
and you can't say no because no is not useful

01:59:07.400 --> 01:59:10.920
no doesn't give your partner anything to work with and

01:59:10.920 --> 01:59:15.240
we've encountered some some obstacles within the bureaucracy and and the

01:59:15.240 --> 01:59:23.000
answer could be a barrier that's so high that it's effectively a no yeah but but no is not helpful and so

01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:26.920
like okay one of the concerns that was raised to us was occupancy and we kind

01:59:26.920 --> 01:59:31.800
of went okay so what's the limit there no

01:59:31.800 --> 01:59:35.320
and we kind of go but what if we what if what if

01:59:35.400 --> 01:59:39.640
okay what if as a requirement all the bay doors are open during these events

01:59:39.640 --> 01:59:44.280
because because there has to be a reason rules exist for a reason

01:59:44.280 --> 01:59:48.200
so tell us the underlying reason because if we don't know the reason we can

01:59:48.200 --> 01:59:51.240
address it so it's so it's fire code but with

01:59:51.240 --> 01:59:57.320
all the bay doors open everyone can leave incredibly quickly yes okay but that isn't even the issue because i'm just i'm just with the

01:59:57.320 --> 02:00:03.640
number of exits we have i think we could do up to like 400 or something like that so that's not even the bigger issue it's not what we're cleared for now

02:00:03.640 --> 02:00:10.120
but looking at the building it shouldn't be a problem got it the big one is parking and we kind of go okay

02:00:10.120 --> 02:00:13.400
but what if we worked with our neighbors because these events would be taking

02:00:13.400 --> 02:00:17.320
place outside of regular business hours and this is an industrial park so

02:00:17.320 --> 02:00:20.520
theoretically as long as we clear it with them it should be no problem to

02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:24.680
have tons of parking and they're like no

02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:28.520
and we kind of go but that's not that's not rational that's not

02:00:28.520 --> 02:00:32.120
that's not a conversation that's just well okay there's a there's a truck

02:00:32.120 --> 02:00:35.560
parking place down the road like literally half a

02:00:35.560 --> 02:00:42.760
block away or something like three quarters of a block away what if we worked out a deal with them uh or we or we hired out a parking lot a

02:00:42.760 --> 02:00:45.960
greater distance away and we arranged a shuttle service no

02:00:45.960 --> 02:00:49.320
so is the issue parking or is the issue that you're just an obstinate

02:00:49.320 --> 02:00:53.080
f*** what is what is the actual problem here

02:00:53.080 --> 02:00:57.640
let me solve problems and and talking to the gm

02:00:57.640 --> 02:01:01.400
he seems like a problem solver cool and he seems

02:01:01.400 --> 02:01:05.160
excited to work with one in that role problem solvers yeah and so that's

02:01:05.160 --> 02:01:08.280
that's my whole thing right is sorry i didn't know your job is just

02:01:08.280 --> 02:01:14.920
is uh yeah yeah it sounds like you're doing it well so that's my whole thing is i like problem solvers because this is this is one of those

02:01:14.920 --> 02:01:17.960
things that is a that is a net obvious benefit to the city

02:01:17.960 --> 02:01:21.400
it brings it brings dollars into the city

02:01:21.400 --> 02:01:25.880
it brings uh attention onto the city which is what they want they want to be

02:01:25.880 --> 02:01:29.400
treated like a city not like a suburb of some other city and so okay

02:01:29.400 --> 02:01:32.440
well then you've got to have things happening series also been

02:01:32.440 --> 02:01:36.840
historically like the the butt of jokes for for cities around here

02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:41.000
and this type of stuff might be able to help them shake that reputation

02:01:41.000 --> 02:01:44.760
absolutely um Langley to cloverdale all around here

02:01:44.760 --> 02:01:48.760
but they've got to have the right attitude they've got to have the right

02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:55.800
attitude in order to make that work and it just seems like we have finally reached the level

02:01:56.600 --> 02:02:00.200
where it's it's a stuff done it's a get or done attitude

02:02:00.200 --> 02:02:05.720
instead of a follow the rules attitude like one of the things that we ran into

02:02:05.720 --> 02:02:09.960
is that in an industrial zone you can have

02:02:09.960 --> 02:02:15.640
recreation but not entertainment so you can actually get a temporary use

02:02:15.640 --> 02:02:18.920
permit to do a bingo hall

02:02:19.720 --> 02:02:25.480
but you can't play computer games and so that's one of those things and

02:02:25.480 --> 02:02:29.480
yeah so the so that's one of those things that's like clearly an arbitrary

02:02:29.480 --> 02:02:33.400
distinction icky yeah yeah someone somewhere in the

02:02:33.400 --> 02:02:37.080
bingo gaming industry got that pushed through at some point

02:02:37.080 --> 02:02:40.440
and and so i'm just kind of sitting here going

02:02:40.440 --> 02:02:44.360
look uh there's a there's a charity event that um Yvonne and i participated in

02:02:44.360 --> 02:02:48.120
where you can repel off of one of the towers in central city

02:02:48.120 --> 02:02:51.880
that's cool yeah and so one of the things that if they

02:02:51.880 --> 02:02:57.880
were if they were seeming like they were going to be kind of obstructionist one of the things that i was going to bring up was like look

02:02:57.880 --> 02:03:03.800
clearly you guys can do things if if i can repel

02:03:03.800 --> 02:03:09.000
down a tower in the middle of the city if they got a permit for that

02:03:09.000 --> 02:03:14.680
then there's no way to play video games there's no way i can't play video games

02:03:14.680 --> 02:03:18.360
in a badminton gym yeah right but i it didn't end up getting there

02:03:18.360 --> 02:03:22.040
it didn't end up getting there because it seems like and this is such a relief

02:03:22.040 --> 02:03:27.720
because uh poor Dan and shawn and actually Jake two and uh the smash

02:03:27.720 --> 02:03:32.040
champs team and everyone has been working really hard to make these land

02:03:32.040 --> 02:03:36.760
gaming events a possibility and for months now we've been

02:03:36.760 --> 02:03:41.400
doing so with no solid indication that the city is going to yield and that

02:03:41.400 --> 02:03:44.680
they're going to allow us to do it it's been like actually a lot of work

02:03:44.680 --> 02:03:48.520
i live there now yeah i know the it team

02:03:48.520 --> 02:03:52.040
yeah and the vast majority of what they're doing there there is some stuff

02:03:52.040 --> 02:03:55.320
there that is specific to smash champs' functionality

02:03:55.320 --> 02:04:00.280
but the reason it's so complicated the reason we have access control everywhere

02:04:00.280 --> 02:04:06.360
the reason the wi-fi is crazy overbuilt the reason that we have fiber and power

02:04:06.360 --> 02:04:09.640
running everywhere and all these terminations the reason we have so many

02:04:09.640 --> 02:04:13.000
security cameras is because i'm not worried about a couple

02:04:13.000 --> 02:04:16.680
couple hundred dollar rackets going missing i'm worried about

02:04:16.680 --> 02:04:20.200
access control and dividing a group that has

02:04:20.200 --> 02:04:23.960
two thousand dollar laptops from just random looky-loos that are there playing

02:04:23.960 --> 02:04:27.880
badminton whatever else like it was designed for us to be able to run

02:04:27.880 --> 02:04:34.760
these events without the cost and time of doing them in a non-specialty built

02:04:34.760 --> 02:04:37.960
facility yeah so we've really thought about it from

02:04:37.960 --> 02:04:42.680
the very beginning like how do we make this purpose built for land

02:04:42.680 --> 02:04:50.920
gaming on this side without interfering with the regular business over here when we want to do these events and so

02:04:50.920 --> 02:04:55.320
hopefully that's that helps at least in for now

02:04:55.320 --> 02:04:58.360
i mean i i even i love it it's fun to build things

02:04:58.360 --> 02:05:01.880
you know yeah but it's nice if people use them after you build them

02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:06.520
i enjoy the act of building i don't care if it's seen or used by anybody

02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:11.880
and it's very important to like that i actually believe this i don't i don't

02:05:11.880 --> 02:05:15.480
just just for other people listening i don't think that i think i think there's

02:05:15.480 --> 02:05:19.240
an additional benefit it always is nice but it's not to be

02:05:19.240 --> 02:05:26.120
expected and if you're out there doing something for the validation from other people you should probably look into why you're

02:05:26.120 --> 02:05:33.240
doing it that's fair that's fair yeah build something for the joy of building it won't it be nice if other people enjoy

02:05:33.240 --> 02:05:36.280
it too yeah because it costs a hell of a lot of money

02:05:36.280 --> 02:05:40.520
there's a lot of that crann pointed out uh only an hour left of luke time

02:05:40.520 --> 02:05:48.280
that's not even true it's less than that because i have to be home by that time so uh i'm gonna jump in and can i do more topics can i do the defcon topic

02:05:48.280 --> 02:05:53.000
yeah let's do the defcon topic i went to defcon and i didn't know what to expect

02:05:53.000 --> 02:05:57.400
i've wanted to go to defcon since i was a wee lad um watching the

02:05:57.400 --> 02:06:05.400
the like vods of defcon panels on like i i'm pretty sure i think i watched them

02:06:05.400 --> 02:06:09.800
pre youtube even but i know i watched some of them on youtube back in the day

02:06:09.800 --> 02:06:13.160
um i i'm pretty sure the reason why i think i watched them pre youtube is

02:06:13.160 --> 02:06:20.680
because i have a bunch of them downloaded um like a lot of videos from defcon downloaded from back in the day nice

02:06:20.680 --> 02:06:24.120
because i'm pretty sure i i got them off of you know

02:06:24.120 --> 02:06:31.080
before youtube a lot of places you had to download video when it was on the internet so anyways um i always wanted to go

02:06:31.080 --> 02:06:35.800
never really wanted to go to cons by myself and never really wanted to go to

02:06:35.800 --> 02:06:39.640
defcon especially by myself because it's it's a it feels scary

02:06:40.280 --> 02:06:44.040
so there's a lot of hackers there i went yeah quite a few this time i went

02:06:44.040 --> 02:06:51.240
with uh fio and fio cto mark um and ed and not edzel here

02:06:51.240 --> 02:06:55.240
edzel a different ed but i barely even ended up

02:06:55.240 --> 02:06:58.760
seeing ed because of reasons that i'm gonna explain in a second

02:06:58.760 --> 02:07:02.680
and while we were there we met up with thor and or pirate software and

02:07:02.680 --> 02:07:06.760
and primogen and a group of other people uh

02:07:06.760 --> 02:07:10.200
that are not as much of a fan of being named or having pictures of them or

02:07:10.200 --> 02:07:13.640
anything like that so those guys are also super cool everyone

02:07:13.640 --> 02:07:17.160
that i was hanging out with was we're just legends but i don't i'm

02:07:17.160 --> 02:07:21.560
not going to name the other ones um what i expected we would do is you know

02:07:21.560 --> 02:07:25.800
go to defcon and hang out at the show a bunch uh that didn't really happen

02:07:25.800 --> 02:07:30.280
i can't even read no you're good i'm just um what what really happened at defcon

02:07:30.280 --> 02:07:33.720
was we we showed up we went to the show floor for like i don't know a couple

02:07:33.720 --> 02:07:39.240
hours and then we got an invite from thor pirate software to

02:07:39.240 --> 02:07:43.720
join him in a hotel room where they're doing a a capture the flag like

02:07:43.720 --> 02:07:46.920
challenge and i was like oh that sounds pretty cool so we went there

02:07:46.920 --> 02:07:51.000
and all immediately became obsessed with this challenge called the

02:07:51.000 --> 02:07:55.800
the gold bug puzzle um okay and this is what i ended up spending

02:07:55.800 --> 02:07:59.960
the entire rest of the event doing no way i sat in this hotel room with a

02:07:59.960 --> 02:08:03.240
bunch of hacker dudes on laptops and tried to solve puzzles

02:08:03.240 --> 02:08:06.600
we were up until like six in the morning basically every day

02:08:06.600 --> 02:08:11.800
trying to solve puzzles and then we won we won the gold bug challenge which was

02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:15.240
amazing heck yeah uh i don't know how much uh it's

02:08:15.240 --> 02:08:18.840
okay for me to say we uh they all think that i can but my

02:08:18.840 --> 02:08:22.600
contribution is highly questionable compared to certain other people there

02:08:22.600 --> 02:08:26.120
um but it was really cool and if you're interested

02:08:26.120 --> 02:08:29.640
um you can actually kind of do it yourself still

02:08:29.640 --> 02:08:35.080
so the puzzle's still live it's bbs.goldbug.cryptovillage.org

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slash puzzles.html and you can find all the puzzles they're all right here

02:08:39.560 --> 02:08:44.920
um the types of puzzles that they are this this was just this was so cool and

02:08:44.920 --> 02:08:51.320
some of the people there i i felt incredibly dumb being in that room because the stuff that people were able to pull off was

02:08:51.320 --> 02:08:55.000
was wild um but the one the main one that sniped me

02:08:55.000 --> 02:08:59.000
was chess there's all these different names for these puzzles

02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:02.760
etiquette chess uh charades pass the slipper whatnot

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um when we started deciding like okay we're

02:09:06.840 --> 02:09:12.920
pretty invested in this like mark mark theo and i um i started started to try to figure out what one can i try to contribute to

02:09:12.920 --> 02:09:20.920
and i heard there was one named chess i was like okay i'm gonna work on that i click on the chess puzzle and this is all you get

02:09:21.000 --> 02:09:25.800
there's this picture of this girl uh some text down at the bottom that reads

02:09:25.800 --> 02:09:29.560
a horseman rides across breadcrumbs dropped by a child reduced by one in

02:09:29.560 --> 02:09:33.960
file and then a chess game and you can play the chess game

02:09:33.960 --> 02:09:38.360
um but like this is it the the solution for the puzzle

02:09:38.360 --> 02:09:42.040
there's just like a text box and you have to type something into it

02:09:42.040 --> 02:09:45.400
that's all that's all this is all you have you have to try to solve what this

02:09:45.400 --> 02:09:48.920
puzzle is um i could go over all the things

02:09:48.920 --> 02:09:52.360
that i tried i didn't even end up being the one who solved this but

02:09:52.440 --> 02:09:56.120
i might have helped narrow it down i don't know that's questionable

02:09:56.120 --> 02:10:01.240
i noticed right away that the knight moves around in a very specific pattern

02:10:01.240 --> 02:10:05.080
this isn't a normal chess game if you don't interact with the knight

02:10:05.080 --> 02:10:09.080
he just jumps around

02:10:10.120 --> 02:10:14.200
the pattern of movement for the knight ends up being important to the solution

02:10:14.200 --> 02:10:18.760
but i was thinking like reduced by one in file so i was mapping down the

02:10:18.760 --> 02:10:23.080
the movement pattern of the knight and then the files are are alphabetical

02:10:23.080 --> 02:10:26.680
and then if you look at like a grid of the spots on a chessboard they're all

02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:30.440
letter number so i was reducing by one of each so you end up going down to the

02:10:30.440 --> 02:10:33.800
left so i like mapped out the knight's movement going down into the left and

02:10:33.800 --> 02:10:37.880
then i i started trying to like okay maybe the puzzle is solved when a

02:10:37.880 --> 02:10:45.000
certain position on the board is met and this was an agreement that a bunch of people had is like that might be it so i was trying to like leave it says you

02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:48.600
know breadcrumbs drop by a child so i tried like putting pawns

02:10:48.600 --> 02:10:51.800
in the place that the knight was going to move to so it could take my pawns and

02:10:51.800 --> 02:10:58.040
like all this other stuff none of that ended up being the case i'm not going to give the answer of how you solve it out but i i tried

02:10:58.040 --> 02:11:01.800
everything i beat the ai i i beat the game that way i um

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here let's go really quick where is it if i go into

02:11:09.720 --> 02:11:16.120
here nope it's not that one oh i thought i clicked on script my bad take back

02:11:16.120 --> 02:11:20.600
okay this will only take a second

02:11:21.160 --> 02:11:24.680
so you can you can like reverse your moves

02:11:24.680 --> 02:11:28.280
interesting okay so i figured out one thing that we figured out pretty quick

02:11:28.280 --> 02:11:32.920
was you can make it start to play chess so it has logic for actually trying to

02:11:32.920 --> 02:11:36.040
beat you um but there's only ways that you can even

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there's only some ways you can do that so if you like heart oh

02:11:39.160 --> 02:11:42.520
did i just break it no it's just i bet you a lot of people are loading this

02:11:42.520 --> 02:11:48.200
right now um if you like hard charge down the board yeah and then just start taking stuff

02:11:48.200 --> 02:11:53.640
it doesn't like react right away but it will react eventually this just

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breaks the game you put their their king in check and it just

02:11:57.160 --> 02:12:05.080
stops working yeah there's other ways that you can break the game where you can take over control of black non programmatically like you play

02:12:05.080 --> 02:12:11.480
chess and you like confuse it in a certain way it'll do an illegal move and then because of the illegal move it passes the

02:12:11.480 --> 02:12:17.160
turn order over so you start playing black and the ai starts playing white so like i thought maybe

02:12:17.160 --> 02:12:20.280
okay maybe you're supposed to take over black and then win the game is black

02:12:20.280 --> 02:12:26.280
like i tried all these different things it ends up not being that kind of type of stuff but we were working on these puzzles for

02:12:26.280 --> 02:12:32.200
essentially the entire event and that was so cool everyone on the team that

02:12:32.200 --> 02:12:38.680
we're on were super cool to work with it was it was very very fun it was very mentally satisfying getting the answers to

02:12:38.680 --> 02:12:41.880
different puzzles that was a blast it wasn't even sort

02:12:41.880 --> 02:12:48.280
of remotely what i was expecting defconn to be like cool but it was awesome um another thing that we did was

02:12:48.280 --> 02:12:55.480
theo and i uh were a part of a tf2 hacking challenge

02:12:55.480 --> 02:12:59.640
where you have your your team is comprised of two separate units

02:12:59.640 --> 02:13:04.440
you have the players of tf2 yeah and then you have a hacking group

02:13:04.440 --> 02:13:08.680
and both sides help each other and the score of each individual component of

02:13:08.680 --> 02:13:16.680
your team contributes into one pool of points so like by winning tf2 rounds yeah you gain score and you gain like tokens

02:13:16.680 --> 02:13:20.280
and the tokens can be spent to get hints for the hacking team

02:13:20.280 --> 02:13:23.640
and as the hacking team captures flags effectively

02:13:23.640 --> 02:13:27.640
they gain points that can be spent to give you like power-ups in tf2 like

02:13:27.640 --> 02:13:30.760
crit bonus and all that type of stuff so yeah it's like

02:13:30.760 --> 02:13:35.560
that was super fun okay really really cool event and then we come down to the

02:13:35.560 --> 02:13:38.920
badge yeah okay which i don't know how well this is

02:13:38.920 --> 02:13:42.840
gonna you want to jump to loot cam this is the badge for the event so you have

02:13:42.840 --> 02:13:46.760
it hanging like this and if i left it here long enough it would go into badge

02:13:46.760 --> 02:13:53.240
mode it's not in badge mode right now um but you can also flip it over

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and it turns into effectively a game boy

02:13:57.320 --> 02:14:02.120
there's there's a new raspberry pi launched on the same day of the first day

02:14:02.120 --> 02:14:06.520
of defcon and it is in here so it has like a new launch

02:14:06.520 --> 02:14:11.000
version of a raspberry pi it has a ton of features has an ir sensor

02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:15.240
where you can like put your badges together and like transfer across

02:14:15.240 --> 02:14:19.560
cool um as an sd card reader there's a bunch of

02:14:19.560 --> 02:14:22.600
leds all throughout it that are all individually addressable

02:14:22.600 --> 02:14:26.520
yeah so you can set up like color modes for your for your badge

02:14:26.920 --> 02:14:30.600
if i try to get in here for a second oh it's upside down right because you have

02:14:30.600 --> 02:14:35.320
to put it in like game boy mode um they made a game it's gonna be a little bit

02:14:35.320 --> 02:14:39.000
hard to see yep but as this like scrolls through the

02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:42.680
game will start and you you can like design your little hacker character

02:14:42.680 --> 02:14:46.920
and then you set the date and time and you can go through the defcon convention

02:14:46.920 --> 02:14:50.440
hall you start in your hotel room and then you go on the monorail

02:14:50.440 --> 02:14:57.240
and then you end up at the defcon convention hall okay um and depending on the date and time the convention hall is like

02:14:57.240 --> 02:15:03.960
different and there's npcs that you can go and talk to so yeah i'm setting the date here and time i'm picking my little hacker character

02:15:03.960 --> 02:15:07.800
i'm trying to make sure the screen should see i'm in my little hotel room now

02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:15.560
that's wild i can interact with how is this a badge for an event yeah

02:15:15.560 --> 02:15:20.520
defcon is crazy so i go how many of these did they make on the monorail now

02:15:20.600 --> 02:15:24.040
that is one thing i was going to let people know if they do decide to go to

02:15:24.040 --> 02:15:28.120
defcon in the future i would pre-buy the badge

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because you can buy your ticket at the door but it's not guaranteed that you

02:15:31.800 --> 02:15:35.400
get one of these you might end up with a paper badge that's a thing every time

02:15:35.400 --> 02:15:40.360
uh maybe not this exact level i've seen some past badges that weren't as cool

02:15:40.360 --> 02:15:47.480
as this wow but they always have like pretty crazy badges okay um you can you can get into the menus

02:15:47.480 --> 02:15:53.640
and like so on here i can change the led colors

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so let me go to the right cat eye sure and i'm gonna make sure

02:16:01.720 --> 02:16:06.200
there okay so i made it green but they're all individually addressable or you

02:16:06.200 --> 02:16:10.040
can do all of them at once that is crazy this is the most i think this is

02:16:10.040 --> 02:16:15.000
probably the most extra thing i have ever seen a lot of things at defcon are

02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:21.560
pretty extra um there's yeah yeah

02:16:21.560 --> 02:16:24.920
you can update the firmware on the battery mount i just hooked it in there

02:16:24.920 --> 02:16:28.760
yeah yeah that part some people manually affixed it i haven't taken it apart

02:16:28.760 --> 02:16:32.520
yet yeah okay um you can there's an sd card

02:16:32.520 --> 02:16:36.360
so you can load other like roms for gameboy and you can actually play other

02:16:36.360 --> 02:16:42.920
gameboy games because it's gameboy and later because why not people at the conference like this turned into you know how we we took the

02:16:42.920 --> 02:16:46.680
activity of goldbug and that like became our defcon some people took the

02:16:46.680 --> 02:16:49.800
activity of just the badge yeah there's tons of different

02:16:49.800 --> 02:16:53.480
things that could consume your time and some people yeah went for the badge

02:16:53.480 --> 02:16:57.960
and they they they put palmo s on it okay because apparently this is a

02:16:57.960 --> 02:17:01.160
touchscreen no way i mean yeah i don't know if it

02:17:01.160 --> 02:17:06.200
interacts with the gameboy game but but yeah you can you can do i or i saw

02:17:06.200 --> 02:17:09.880
people using like a pen to interact with it but yeah

02:17:09.880 --> 02:17:13.320
badges come with entrance fee yeah i think it's a $20

02:17:13.320 --> 02:17:18.200
riser to to buy it like it's $20 more i think to buy the badge ahead of time

02:17:18.200 --> 02:17:21.640
wow i just got a i got a photo for you in the game

02:17:21.640 --> 02:17:25.240
cool yeah all right i got some kind of prize for knowing that the first defcon

02:17:25.240 --> 02:17:30.360
was hosted at sands yeah so it's like it's like it's an

02:17:30.360 --> 02:17:34.600
actual game you can save your progress you have inventory of all this stuff

02:17:34.680 --> 02:17:39.720
um let me check my inventory i was in the inventory earlier

02:17:39.720 --> 02:17:45.320
it's on the back whoop whoop uh oh well anyway uh i closed the game oh yeah

02:17:45.320 --> 02:17:49.560
that's a that's another point is um everyone's scared everyone scared me

02:17:49.560 --> 02:17:57.960
of like you know you can't bring your devices to the show floor because you'll get hacked and all that kind of stuff so i brought an old Android 12

02:17:57.960 --> 02:18:03.880
non-updated phone just for laws and manually and and so did yeah so did fio

02:18:03.880 --> 02:18:07.000
we didn't plan this ahead of time we just both brought old

02:18:07.000 --> 02:18:10.600
not secure phones in an attempt he wants to do it for a video i just wanted to

02:18:10.600 --> 02:18:13.800
do it of curiosity and then i was like hey i mean if we get it to work you can

02:18:13.800 --> 02:18:22.040
use mine in a video you should have taken my phone that honestly would have been pretty funny um and we tried to connect to every

02:18:22.040 --> 02:18:25.480
open wi-fi we possibly could with these old

02:18:25.480 --> 02:18:28.680
unsecure phones just to like see what would happen yeah i'm assuming some

02:18:28.680 --> 02:18:34.600
stuff happened no really yeah they have a like security through

02:18:34.600 --> 02:18:38.360
everyone knows that everyone who's here is going to be bulletproof so don't

02:18:38.360 --> 02:18:41.560
bother or like what about it like backwards like those would be

02:18:41.560 --> 02:18:45.560
unsecured devices connecting if you do stuff to them they're going to do stuff

02:18:45.560 --> 02:18:49.320
back maybe sandbox you no no no like luke would be

02:18:49.320 --> 02:18:54.040
fishing backwards like wanting people to do stuff to my phone and i'll destroy

02:18:54.040 --> 02:18:57.800
you maybe there's a probably a bunch of mind games oh yeah they had a wall of

02:18:57.800 --> 02:19:01.240
like these people have been pwned at the event

02:19:01.240 --> 02:19:05.560
and it was like basically for people being silly

02:19:05.560 --> 02:19:09.800
they had some crazy wi-fi security thing where on the secure

02:19:09.800 --> 02:19:13.800
network hosted by the convention itself you had to register your devices

02:19:13.800 --> 02:19:17.400
officially so they could track like individual devices at that level you it

02:19:17.400 --> 02:19:20.520
wasn't just free entry it wasn't just entry with a password

02:19:20.520 --> 02:19:24.360
you like it was wall of sheep is that what it's called yeah

02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:31.480
wall of sheep and it's like if you if you goof and get owned at the event

02:19:31.480 --> 02:19:35.000
but yeah okay what what kaboom pow just said

02:19:35.000 --> 02:19:39.080
ends up being i think ultimately it no one's gonna blow a zero day on you

02:19:39.080 --> 02:19:42.680
right so you're like standard devices

02:19:42.680 --> 02:19:45.880
like no one's gonna do something super sophisticated

02:19:45.880 --> 02:19:52.440
at defcon right because what's the huge value there

02:19:52.440 --> 02:19:57.400
but there is other things going on and people do get pwned and there is wi-fi

02:19:57.400 --> 02:20:00.680
networks that are trying to capture you like i noticed uh a trick that people

02:20:00.680 --> 02:20:04.600
were doing was they were trying to set up wi-fi networks that were open that

02:20:04.600 --> 02:20:08.760
had the same ssids that you'd run into at like an airport and stuff like that

02:20:08.760 --> 02:20:12.040
and devices were automatically connecting to it right but i don't think

02:20:12.040 --> 02:20:16.280
they were actually doing things super malicious they were just trying to catch

02:20:16.280 --> 02:20:20.520
you to get you on the wall of sheep got it okay like they it was a game

02:20:20.520 --> 02:20:24.520
okay i think i don't know i'm sure i'm sure there's people that go to defcon

02:20:24.520 --> 02:20:29.000
and do things that are bad yeah but like it it didn't seem like actually a huge

02:20:29.000 --> 02:20:35.400
deal so if you're like really scared you know don't do silly things i would highly recommend if you go to the show floor

02:20:35.400 --> 02:20:39.400
with a device manually turn off your wi-fi

02:20:39.400 --> 02:20:42.520
so that just in case you've connected to open networks before and someone tries

02:20:42.520 --> 02:20:46.120
to get you with the like naming a network as the same thing whatever

02:20:46.120 --> 02:20:52.920
you're not going to automatically connect to it because your wi-fi is just off and you only go off to sell you the data yeah someone said and bluetooth yeah it's

02:20:52.920 --> 02:20:56.040
a great idea just turn off things that are going to

02:20:56.040 --> 02:21:01.080
automatically connect to networks but yeah it was tons of fun they even have

02:21:01.080 --> 02:21:05.240
a section that's just for like kids to learn how to get into

02:21:05.240 --> 02:21:08.680
security and and testing of different things which is really cool

02:21:08.680 --> 02:21:12.760
they had a lock picking village where they had just like a chain link fence

02:21:12.760 --> 02:21:15.960
with a ton of different locks attached to it and you could try out all these

02:21:15.960 --> 02:21:19.320
different lock picks and and learn from other people there that would teach

02:21:19.320 --> 02:21:22.520
you that's kind of cool it was actually a very

02:21:22.520 --> 02:21:26.360
almost like wholesome positive event and i had a ton of fun

02:21:26.360 --> 02:21:29.640
i'm definitely hearing you describe it i'm surprised that this was your first

02:21:29.640 --> 02:21:32.920
time yeah i've always wanted to go yeah but no

02:21:32.920 --> 02:21:36.680
one really wanted to go with me and then uh the you and i were both

02:21:36.680 --> 02:21:40.520
thinking of going and thor was like no you guys are coming and it was like

02:21:40.520 --> 02:21:45.320
well all right sounds good do they have social engineering seminars yes they do

02:21:45.320 --> 02:21:50.760
how did you meet people i mean uh most everyone's there for the same reason i

02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:57.720
guess right like yeah and most people that i met while i was there i was planning on meeting unless like thor who introduced us to that

02:21:57.720 --> 02:22:01.160
that group of people that again i don't think they want to be named so i'm

02:22:01.160 --> 02:22:07.000
gonna leave that out but um yeah it was it was it was really sick

02:22:07.000 --> 02:22:10.840
can run doom yeah i'm not surprised people were talking at the event like

02:22:10.840 --> 02:22:13.960
can it run doom and and the consensus of most people was

02:22:13.960 --> 02:22:18.280
yes and it probably already does someone at the event probably made this

02:22:18.280 --> 02:22:21.720
happen already yeah so i'm not surprised there was some

02:22:21.720 --> 02:22:27.240
drama around the badge i don't know all of it

02:22:27.240 --> 02:22:32.760
but i'm not super surprised because i think there was a huge amount of

02:22:32.760 --> 02:22:36.760
contributors and to make something this complicated as

02:22:36.760 --> 02:22:40.760
just the badge to an event

02:22:41.000 --> 02:22:44.120
i don't know i'm not surprised there were some issues but yeah i don't know

02:22:44.120 --> 02:22:50.520
all the drama stuff but if you want to look it up i as far as i know it's like pretty heavily documented on on reddit and

02:22:50.520 --> 02:22:53.960
other places so you can go figure that out dragon two night in Floatplane

02:22:53.960 --> 02:22:57.160
chat no that sound was my back cracking

02:22:57.160 --> 02:23:01.640
they thought it was a fart oh no i'm just

02:23:01.640 --> 02:23:10.280
um apple yeah apple is making payments more open

02:23:10.280 --> 02:23:15.000
i it's not enough apple needs to do more

02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:18.120
and it doesn't make up for all their past transgressions but i do

02:23:18.120 --> 02:23:25.080
like the new i like the new apple i like the apple that is constantly

02:23:25.080 --> 02:23:28.760
paranoid about being investigated for antitrust

02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:32.840
because they're being investigated for antitrust in response to the european

02:23:32.840 --> 02:23:35.960
commission's antitrust investigations apple is making a host of changes

02:23:35.960 --> 02:23:40.760
surrounding payments and third-party apps apple is allowing developers

02:23:40.760 --> 02:23:45.400
finally to offer nfc transactions in app using secure element that means users

02:23:45.400 --> 02:23:52.600
can set their double-click side button shortcut to an app that isn't apple pay it also means that third-party apps can use contactless

02:23:52.600 --> 02:23:55.720
transactions for things like hotel room keys or transit passes this is going to

02:23:55.720 --> 02:23:59.720
be an absolute game changer and should have happened

02:23:59.720 --> 02:24:05.560
years ago years so many years ago the fact that it's happening now

02:24:05.560 --> 02:24:11.960
means that apple could have done it anytime they wanted they just decided they didn't want to the apis are open to developers in

02:24:11.960 --> 02:24:15.560
select countries in the iOS 18.1 developer beta

02:24:15.560 --> 02:24:18.920
to use these apis devs will need to enter a commercial agreement with apple and

02:24:18.920 --> 02:24:23.160
pay the associated fees however and that's where the malicious compliance

02:24:23.160 --> 02:24:28.120
comes in probably we'll see um apple has also changed their

02:24:28.120 --> 02:24:31.400
rules surrounding showing pricing and promotions in apps

02:24:31.400 --> 02:24:35.960
developers are now able to inform users of pricing information in the app and

02:24:35.960 --> 02:24:42.920
they can make purchases directly from the location of their choosing be that another app store website etc by applying for an entitlement that

02:24:42.920 --> 02:24:46.760
apple can approve or deny based on their terms and conditions however

02:24:46.760 --> 02:24:49.880
should an app link to an external payment platform while using this

02:24:49.880 --> 02:24:53.960
entitlement they will be subject to a store services fee explained by the

02:24:53.960 --> 02:24:58.920
verge um blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

02:24:58.920 --> 02:25:02.520
basically it's a fee uh in addition to that there's a five percent

02:25:02.520 --> 02:25:11.160
initial acquisition fee that applies under the same terms so this is this is apple complying without

02:25:11.160 --> 02:25:17.720
in good faith just dealing with the fact that this is not gonna last

02:25:17.720 --> 02:25:22.520
you you are not you're it's not gonna it's not gonna keep lasting you guys

02:25:23.080 --> 02:25:26.440
there was the whole drama this week this actually isn't in our isn't in our

02:25:26.440 --> 02:25:32.360
notes but there was the whole drama this week where patreon is apparently going to be stuck paying the 30%

02:25:32.360 --> 02:25:36.120
fee on everything that goes through patreon which compared to patreon's own

02:25:36.120 --> 02:25:39.400
take no no um oh what are the details there

02:25:39.400 --> 02:25:44.680
patreon is actually i think it's well they're offering the option for

02:25:44.680 --> 02:25:50.760
unreasonable how they're dealing with it yeah is there they're offering the option for the creator to eat it

02:25:50.840 --> 02:25:55.000
or for the creator to pass it on to the user i don't think patreon in any case

02:25:55.000 --> 02:25:58.040
is eating it no i shouldn't say patreon is eating it that's incorrect

02:25:58.040 --> 02:26:03.720
because patreon only takes eight percent of the gross so it wouldn't make any sense yeah i believe that's their cut

02:26:03.720 --> 02:26:07.720
yeah but basically apple is demanding 30%

02:26:07.720 --> 02:26:11.480
of patreon contributions which is ridiculous and we've talked extensively

02:26:11.480 --> 02:26:18.040
in the past about how the Floatplane model which is very similar to the patreon model is completely untenable it gets

02:26:18.040 --> 02:26:21.320
dunked if you take 30 with a 30 take we don't

02:26:21.320 --> 02:26:24.600
have 30 for you to take from us it doesn't

02:26:24.600 --> 02:26:28.200
it doesn't make any sense this is this is direct funding

02:26:28.200 --> 02:26:32.440
for creators and so if you're taking if you're taking that kind of cut out of

02:26:32.440 --> 02:26:38.760
it as a platform like like a device platform

02:26:38.760 --> 02:26:42.360
it's not manageable yeah so some people are pointing out like other platforms

02:26:42.360 --> 02:26:45.960
that people could use and stuff honestly i don't think there's a better way

02:26:45.960 --> 02:26:49.880
that patreon could have handled this just subscribe online

02:26:49.880 --> 02:26:56.360
through the web through the web yeah just subscribe through a web browser and i'm pretty i'm i don't have the patreon app on my

02:26:56.360 --> 02:27:01.720
phone but i'm going to assume that if you subscribe through the web you can still access their stuff on mobile like just just do it that way

02:27:01.720 --> 02:27:05.640
i think the the easiest way to do it is for creators that are offered this

02:27:05.640 --> 02:27:09.400
option to pass it forward to the users and then

02:27:09.400 --> 02:27:14.680
hopefully the users will see that and just go subscribe on the web

02:27:14.680 --> 02:27:23.800
because i i don't think it's you know great for the creators to have to eat that percentage either so it is what it is

02:27:27.000 --> 02:27:31.720
whoa what is this google's team pixel program

02:27:31.720 --> 02:27:37.880
was changed to require that influencers be biased towards google

02:27:37.880 --> 02:27:41.800
screenshots leaked from a member of google's team pixel

02:27:41.800 --> 02:27:45.080
influencer program i've never even heard of this yeah

02:27:45.080 --> 02:27:48.680
showing a google form requiring the user to agree

02:27:48.680 --> 02:27:53.720
to preferential coverage for the pixel oh look at this

02:27:53.720 --> 02:27:57.080
by opting into this program do you acknowledge that you are expected to

02:27:57.080 --> 02:28:01.640
feature the google pixel device in place of any competitor mobile devices

02:28:01.640 --> 02:28:04.840
please note that if it appears other brands are being preferred over the

02:28:04.840 --> 02:28:11.160
pixel we will need to cease the relationship between the brand and the creator yes acknowledge our people this is interpreting this looks fake

02:28:11.160 --> 02:28:14.200
almost well that's just a google form google no i know what i know what a

02:28:14.200 --> 02:28:18.760
google form looks like i just mean like like this seems so

02:28:18.760 --> 02:28:23.160
um this seems like something that you'd be too smart

02:28:23.160 --> 02:28:27.640
to put in black and white you know like apple never says this outright but is

02:28:27.640 --> 02:28:30.920
this like we've we've both never even heard of this is this something that

02:28:30.920 --> 02:28:36.840
they're doing for reviewers i don't think so i don't think it's for it seems like a product placement agreement which wouldn't that make

02:28:36.840 --> 02:28:40.520
sense i mean i feel like this is a very unpopular opinion it would help

02:28:40.520 --> 02:28:45.480
prevent those really embarrassing uh i love my wobbly whatever exactly sent

02:28:45.480 --> 02:28:49.320
from my iphone situations like i i don't think this is a reviewer thing

02:28:49.320 --> 02:28:54.600
what is team pixel does anyone know what team pixel is i looked up team pixel

02:28:54.600 --> 02:28:58.840
and i found a google blog article that doesn't make any sense at all

02:28:58.840 --> 02:29:02.920
it's just about like hashtag team pixel and it's if you take photos

02:29:02.920 --> 02:29:09.000
but i don't think this is it uh that seeds early units to influencers and

02:29:09.000 --> 02:29:13.080
super fans to drum up interest as brand ambassadors

02:29:13.080 --> 02:29:16.440
okay so these are not reviewers brand ambassadors it's not for reviewers this

02:29:16.440 --> 02:29:21.640
is a totally different thing okay yeah if you're supposed to be a brand ambassador then you should probably you're a complete

02:29:21.640 --> 02:29:25.320
idiot if you're gonna like show off show off an iphone

02:29:25.320 --> 02:29:32.600
predator products more often than the brand that you're supposed to be the ambassador for um however okay i think it's the

02:29:32.600 --> 02:29:36.520
change that people are are upset about okay because the program's previous

02:29:36.520 --> 02:29:40.280
terms which listed no specific expectations

02:29:40.280 --> 02:29:44.040
also said that member content should always be truthful accurate and

02:29:44.040 --> 02:29:47.560
reflect your honest opinions and experiences what does it say now

02:29:47.560 --> 02:29:51.320
um but i don't know that we have the entire survey necessarily we just have

02:29:51.320 --> 02:29:57.000
that one question picture um it says now by opting into

02:29:57.000 --> 02:30:02.840
this program do you acknowledge that you're expected to feature the google pixel device in place of any competitor mobile devices please note

02:30:02.840 --> 02:30:10.120
that if it appears other brands are being preferred yeah again though if you're a brand ambassador that makes sense

02:30:10.600 --> 02:30:14.520
um reviewers are joining team pixel as well

02:30:14.520 --> 02:30:18.920
oh well i mean that's a huge problem yes that's like

02:30:18.920 --> 02:30:24.200
obviously and objectively a huge problem uh yeah

02:30:24.920 --> 02:30:28.600
i i've never even heard of the thing so i don't know that seems like a separate

02:30:28.600 --> 02:30:32.120
problem though yeah either way google gave the following statement to Android

02:30:32.120 --> 02:30:36.280
police team pixel is a distinct program separate from our press and creator

02:30:36.280 --> 02:30:42.520
reviews programs the goal of team pixels to get pixel devices into the hands of content creators not press and tech reviewers

02:30:42.520 --> 02:30:48.200
we missed the mark with this new language that appeared in the team pixel form yesterday and it has been removed okay okay

02:30:48.200 --> 02:30:52.040
now why was the oh man how did this end up as that main news topic

02:30:52.040 --> 02:30:58.120
the ftc says no to fake reviews they have now finalized their rules banning

02:30:58.120 --> 02:31:01.560
fake reviews online after spending almost two years working on them

02:31:01.560 --> 02:31:05.160
the full text is in the ftc statement but pc world has summarized the rules like

02:31:05.160 --> 02:31:08.440
this no reviews or testimonials from people who

02:31:08.440 --> 02:31:11.480
don't exist that's going to eliminate a lot of them

02:31:11.480 --> 02:31:17.400
no buying reviews of any kind positive or negative i actually kind of love this

02:31:17.400 --> 02:31:24.040
so this is great does this mean that programs um where you like get the thing on amazon and it comes with like uh

02:31:24.040 --> 02:31:27.560
like a voucher and if you post a review they'll like give you something

02:31:27.560 --> 02:31:30.520
like is that can that just go away now hopefully

02:31:30.680 --> 02:31:34.440
um a lot of this like was this not already illegal

02:31:34.440 --> 02:31:39.560
well apparently not even like you kind of remember the ftc is not necessarily

02:31:39.560 --> 02:31:43.720
doesn't have necessarily much fangs depending on what the thing is and in

02:31:43.720 --> 02:31:49.880
fact they've kind of been their powers kind of been eroded lately um which is if this is what they're up to

02:31:49.880 --> 02:31:53.240
that's a really bad thing um for them to not be able to enforce this stuff i

02:31:53.240 --> 02:31:59.560
don't know what enforcement's going to look like but here let's get through the rest of it um no reviews from company insiders

02:31:59.560 --> 02:32:03.800
like yeah obviously no fake review sites

02:32:03.800 --> 02:32:07.480
oh interesting how do we define that though that is very interesting because

02:32:07.480 --> 02:32:12.520
we had that whole conversation around um air purifiers a while back

02:32:12.520 --> 02:32:16.920
and how house fresh or whatever yeah yeah so house fresh to be clear is not the

02:32:16.920 --> 02:32:22.360
fake one no they're cool house house fresh blog here hold on a second i'm gonna see if i can find it these guys

02:32:22.360 --> 02:32:26.280
um yeah yeah here we go here we go here we go uh how google's killing

02:32:26.280 --> 02:32:30.200
independent sites like ours and basically they talk about how

02:32:30.200 --> 02:32:33.320
no one's ever tested any of these air purifiers

02:32:33.320 --> 02:32:36.840
but these large media companies have enormous

02:32:36.840 --> 02:32:41.160
seo capabilities and relationships that allow them to surface their

02:32:41.160 --> 02:32:45.400
nonsense listicles above folks who are actually

02:32:45.400 --> 02:32:49.000
testing aircute purifiers and dehumidifiers properly

02:32:49.000 --> 02:32:52.440
um and it's like it's like a whole problem it's like it's a deep rabbit hole

02:32:52.440 --> 02:32:57.640
but it's worth it to read that blog post because you'll be like oh my god i can't trust anything but hey at

02:32:57.640 --> 02:33:00.840
least you'll at least you'll know that at least you'll know that

02:33:00.840 --> 02:33:04.440
i mean i would say that something that sounds like a review from someone who's

02:33:04.440 --> 02:33:07.960
never touched the product is a fake review completely personally i don't

02:33:07.960 --> 02:33:13.080
know if that falls under this but should no review suppression

02:33:13.080 --> 02:33:17.080
now that's interesting remember remember when logitech

02:33:17.080 --> 02:33:21.320
was uh blocking reviews on the gcloud

02:33:21.400 --> 02:33:24.760
if they were negative display reviews on your site

02:33:24.760 --> 02:33:28.200
i don't know i mean look i haven't i haven't read this yet like as we don't

02:33:28.200 --> 02:33:32.280
know we take a principled approach to our reviews on our site the only

02:33:32.280 --> 02:33:37.000
things that we filter for are like harmful language hate speech

02:33:37.000 --> 02:33:40.840
things things that are obvious and nothing to do with people's

02:33:40.840 --> 02:33:45.560
critical feedback on the product uh-oh what no we're not having another cut

02:33:45.560 --> 02:33:48.680
open the bottom of the backpack moment are we you screen all the reviews

02:33:48.680 --> 02:33:52.200
personally don't you yeah yeah that's that's what you're paying that's Dan's

02:33:52.200 --> 02:33:57.400
other job oh no no no look where you're exposed to say all you

02:33:57.400 --> 02:34:01.320
did was disappear what do you mean look no i said look

02:34:01.320 --> 02:34:04.920
protect me yeah yeah i got him uh Dan has never seen a review in his life

02:34:04.920 --> 02:34:08.680
actually he doesn't even know what they are um i'm impartial

02:34:08.680 --> 02:34:12.200
no we the the only thing that i'm worried about is with with no review

02:34:12.200 --> 02:34:16.120
suppression is would you have to leave that stuff up

02:34:16.120 --> 02:34:21.880
i certainly hope not i hope not as well um but that gets interesting because

02:34:21.880 --> 02:34:27.080
like where is the how do you define

02:34:27.080 --> 02:34:33.080
where the line is there i don't know but apparently the maximum

02:34:33.080 --> 02:34:37.400
civil penalty is fifty one thousand seven hundred forty four dollars

02:34:37.400 --> 02:34:41.800
per violation uh the last rule is no buying or selling

02:34:41.800 --> 02:34:48.200
fake followers or fake views good then ricks in full plane chat says

02:34:48.200 --> 02:34:52.600
yelp tries to extort business owners to have negative reviews buried oh dude

02:34:52.600 --> 02:34:57.400
men um back when i was working in n c i x um i have no idea if this is

02:34:57.400 --> 02:35:00.680
still the case or whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever

02:35:00.680 --> 02:35:06.440
but what i can talk about is the experience we had then do you know reseller ratings dot com no oh okay well reseller ratings

02:35:06.440 --> 02:35:11.160
dot com either is or was um like a third party review site like kind

02:35:11.160 --> 02:35:16.120
of a like an independent um better business bureau type thing

02:35:16.120 --> 02:35:19.720
and basically the only way that you could respond

02:35:19.720 --> 02:35:25.160
to reviews was to pay an extortionate amount of money to them that's their

02:35:25.160 --> 02:35:29.400
entire model is they collect negative reviews

02:35:29.400 --> 02:35:33.880
and essentially use them as leverage to make you pay

02:35:33.880 --> 02:35:39.640
to be able to make them go away um yeah so that was a whole that was a whole

02:35:39.640 --> 02:35:45.720
thing that's rough yeah yeah uh i'm gonna have to

02:35:45.720 --> 02:35:50.680
go in like a few minutes here fine be uncool

02:35:50.680 --> 02:35:58.360
you know he hasn't played super checks with me in weeks months a little loser i could i could call back in if you want though

02:35:58.360 --> 02:36:02.360
it's up to you yeah maybe i'm over you wow wow wow by yourself

02:36:02.360 --> 02:36:06.280
uh oh this is cool uh steam os 3.6.9 beta notes

02:36:06.280 --> 02:36:10.040
including included added support for extra

02:36:10.040 --> 02:36:15.480
ROG ally keys valves lorenz yang confirms they've been working on ally

02:36:15.480 --> 02:36:19.320
support with additional handhelds to come the steam deck twitter account

02:36:19.320 --> 02:36:22.680
also announced official Windows support for the steam deck OLED

02:36:22.680 --> 02:36:26.680
um at the apu audio wi-fi and bluetooth drivers were linked in the tweet

02:36:26.680 --> 02:36:33.720
and drivers for the original lcd version are also available that's it there's nothing to really discuss here other than that's super cool

02:36:34.120 --> 02:36:37.400
what is this battlefield thing here does anyone care about this the largest

02:36:37.400 --> 02:36:40.520
field for battlefield i don't know i don't know anything

02:36:40.520 --> 02:36:43.880
about it uh okay i'm gonna close that then i don't

02:36:43.880 --> 02:36:49.960
think i care about that i haven't cared about battlefield in a long time i just keep releasing releasing worse and worse games

02:36:49.960 --> 02:36:53.320
another long-running site comes to an end autoblog

02:36:53.320 --> 02:36:57.240
is done after recently celebrating their 20th anniversary

02:36:57.240 --> 02:37:00.760
uh employees were told the site had been sold off and september 13th will be

02:37:00.760 --> 02:37:03.960
the final day for autoblog in its current form

02:37:03.960 --> 02:37:10.280
this seems to have happened around the same time that game informer was abruptly shut down by game stop autoblog has been sold to arena group who

02:37:10.280 --> 02:37:13.640
used to publish sports illustrated this is really interesting and actually

02:37:13.640 --> 02:37:17.160
ties into that air purifier story that you guys should go look up house fresh

02:37:17.160 --> 02:37:20.760
dot com uh and then the how google is killing

02:37:20.760 --> 02:37:24.040
independent site lists like ours because you might ask yourself hey well if

02:37:24.040 --> 02:37:27.400
they're acquiring autoblog why aren't they necessarily going to keep all the

02:37:27.400 --> 02:37:35.480
employees like how are they going to publish articles these guys get into it how what these groups do is they buy recognized brands

02:37:35.480 --> 02:37:39.080
uh media brands and then they just pump out ai

02:37:39.080 --> 02:37:43.800
assisted garbage um based on never having actually tried anything

02:37:43.800 --> 02:37:49.240
and um just kind of ride it into the ground and then they go find another one

02:37:49.240 --> 02:37:53.080
pretty gross uh i don't know that arena group does that

02:37:53.080 --> 02:37:58.520
oh here we go okay yep no yep okay arena group during their stint licensing the

02:37:58.520 --> 02:38:02.200
sports illustrated name use the brand and at least one publication they own

02:38:02.200 --> 02:38:06.120
the street to publish ai generated articles that were credited to fake

02:38:06.120 --> 02:38:10.440
ai generated people sick

02:38:10.440 --> 02:38:14.760
good job and that's it for our topic so um

02:38:14.760 --> 02:38:17.880
it's after dark which means i guess you can go anytime you want or you can be

02:38:17.880 --> 02:38:21.480
cool and hang out with us no i'm i have to i know i he has he actually has

02:38:21.480 --> 02:38:28.760
something important to do i just i just like grinding his gears i'm breaking his balls grinding his balls in my gears wait

02:38:28.760 --> 02:38:34.840
squeezing his i got a merch message here for luke

02:38:34.840 --> 02:38:42.520
if you uh if you want cognitive behavioral torture

02:38:42.520 --> 02:38:46.040
i've got a few minutes we can do it uh i miss watching your old streams on

02:38:46.040 --> 02:38:49.320
classic wow i was like yeah why do you never stream anymore

02:38:49.320 --> 02:38:53.080
i was the shammy that joined your guild is a Floatplane

02:38:53.400 --> 02:38:58.200
do you plan on playing the war within i didn't have a guild called Floatplane

02:38:58.200 --> 02:39:02.280
who did you play with no i think he joined as Floatplane

02:39:02.280 --> 02:39:08.680
oh okay cool yeah um why did you say war with no i i'm not interested in new

02:39:08.680 --> 02:39:12.200
wow stuff um got it in regards to game streaming in

02:39:12.200 --> 02:39:16.840
general though uh my my roommate has moved out so

02:39:16.840 --> 02:39:20.280
eventually where the computer we have to do some renovation stuff did your

02:39:20.440 --> 02:39:25.000
roommate come get their stuff yet yeah nice it's finally gone it took like

02:39:25.000 --> 02:39:31.240
months anyways that's fine um uh it's we need to do some renovation

02:39:31.240 --> 02:39:37.880
things now that he's gone one of the reasons that we couldn't do them previously was because um we didn't want to burden people

02:39:37.880 --> 02:39:42.120
with leaving our our birds at their place especially because

02:39:42.120 --> 02:39:45.640
they die so incredibly easily and i don't want people to

02:39:45.640 --> 02:39:48.760
are you starting to wonder if like your birds dying

02:39:48.760 --> 02:39:53.640
is like uh don't even you can stop there that could that could end

02:39:53.640 --> 02:39:58.920
immediately um anyways so but by having by having the roommate

02:39:58.920 --> 02:40:02.840
i'm just saying he eats a lot of chicken next oh my god

02:40:02.840 --> 02:40:06.920
um they they weigh 30 grams each and you know i think about how much that is

02:40:06.920 --> 02:40:12.520
like feathers and you're watching your weight right oh my goodness um

02:40:13.400 --> 02:40:17.720
Dan you know we're not funny right like we're not even a little bit funny

02:40:18.680 --> 02:40:22.200
i think it's just bullying like i think this is just

02:40:23.640 --> 02:40:27.080
it's just being mean at this point i think that's okay i'm sorry

02:40:27.080 --> 02:40:28.760
you're not i'm eating humble pie

02:40:32.280 --> 02:40:33.640
you're eating like smug pie

02:40:37.000 --> 02:40:40.760
yeah you you hacked me well i'm gonna sell shirts about it

02:40:42.760 --> 02:40:46.440
i don't even i'm just gonna give the money away no we're giving the money away

02:40:47.400 --> 02:40:52.680
i'm eating a whole pie i have a member a member of staff and it's not my first time

02:40:55.800 --> 02:41:00.200
anyways um yeah now that now that he's out we can like

02:41:00.200 --> 02:41:05.000
seal off an area and work on it and have the birds separated from that area so

02:41:05.000 --> 02:41:08.440
they don't get like dry dry well dust and yada yada yada

02:41:08.440 --> 02:41:12.120
um so now we can finally do things that we've needed to do for a while

02:41:12.120 --> 02:41:16.120
and then once that's done we're gonna move our desks into that other room

02:41:16.120 --> 02:41:19.400
so now i can stream without being in the middle of the house

02:41:19.400 --> 02:41:22.600
with the mic picking up anything that you do and if you want to move around

02:41:22.600 --> 02:41:27.960
almost at all needing to go on camera um so it won't be like basically just rude

02:41:27.960 --> 02:41:30.920
for me to stream um and then the plan is to start streaming again

02:41:31.480 --> 02:41:34.520
but i also don't play as many games as i used to so it's not going to be as

02:41:34.520 --> 02:41:37.800
frequent as it used to but i still want to stream sometimes yeah

02:41:37.800 --> 02:41:39.800
yeah

02:41:40.840 --> 02:41:43.880
looked purple i thought maybe i pulled a jackhorner

02:41:46.040 --> 02:41:49.240
look go home we don't want you anymore yeah i think it is about that time

02:41:50.680 --> 02:41:54.120
i don't know i'd like to see six maybe i should stream the end of it

02:41:54.120 --> 02:41:55.800
maybe you should get to the end of it

02:42:00.760 --> 02:42:06.840
yeah you leave you leave oh look you walk away oh there's no you still can

02:42:06.840 --> 02:42:13.480
there's no recovering from that 98 percent of his body is covered in third degree burns

02:42:15.800 --> 02:42:19.000
oh my goodness i would say i'll play it this weekend but it's probably not gonna happen

02:42:19.000 --> 02:42:23.080
yeah i know i know it's not gonna happen all right it's me and Dan now lying to everyone

02:42:23.080 --> 02:42:29.080
what's up Dan hi just waiting for you yeah i can call back in if you want some of you

02:42:29.720 --> 02:42:36.200
you want what can i recall back in if you want some of you oh i mean you have to call back in to say bye oh yeah we can call them then

02:42:36.200 --> 02:42:40.440
that's legally required yeah don't worry luke we've only got a handful of merch messages that

02:42:40.440 --> 02:42:46.200
Dan curated he apparently replied to the rest of them what a what a guy what an absolute chad

02:42:47.000 --> 02:42:52.600
yeah i'm talking about your keyboard yeah well yeah mad build it for me it's got silent keycaps

02:42:52.600 --> 02:42:58.920
that keyboard man it it takes a pounding you know yeah like my self-esteem here

02:42:59.880 --> 02:43:05.800
hey yo hey lld i love the d google video with the internet becoming more and more subscription

02:43:05.800 --> 02:43:11.320
based and personal info farms is their way to make your own internet at home streaming chat wiki

02:43:11.320 --> 02:43:17.560
etc i mean i've definitely heard of projects where people have backed up substantial portions of the

02:43:17.560 --> 02:43:22.440
internet i mean archive.org is obviously an example of that and there'd be no reason that you couldn't

02:43:23.400 --> 02:43:36.200
you couldn't host content locally and then configure um yeah it's it's it would be woefully

02:43:36.200 --> 02:43:43.240
impractical for an individual but i know that there are i know that there are companies that do

02:43:43.960 --> 02:43:51.640
some at least some significant caching of internet resources um Dan can you think of a practical

02:43:51.640 --> 02:43:57.160
reason to do that like streaming no no you wouldn't be able to stream except to anyone and there'd

02:43:57.160 --> 02:44:03.240
be like an intranet on that point it's not it's not the internet anymore um i i do know of some

02:44:03.240 --> 02:44:07.320
like you know cities or countries that have those kinds of underground

02:44:07.320 --> 02:44:11.720
internet and things like that but yeah it would be an internet but then wouldn't that just be

02:44:11.720 --> 02:44:20.120
what the internet is as well you know just a smaller one i know that um a lot of isps have

02:44:20.120 --> 02:44:27.400
clauses where you're not allowed to share your internet with your neighbors yeah but in this case

02:44:28.040 --> 02:44:33.480
like it would be yeah you'd have to have um but somebody would need to have an entry point i know

02:44:33.480 --> 02:44:41.000
that there's i think it's in cuba where they have like a usb stick almost streaming service

02:44:41.000 --> 02:44:46.200
where everybody just yeah sneaker net yeah something like that yeah yeah there would be

02:44:46.200 --> 02:44:50.440
there would definitely be limitations to something like this but absolutely it is it

02:44:50.440 --> 02:44:55.720
is the kind of thing that could be built but the thing you gotta understand is if your issue is

02:44:55.720 --> 02:45:02.360
everything being like subscription based there'd be a cost to you know hosting and distributing

02:45:02.360 --> 02:45:08.520
all of this and and and so people would have to subscribe to your they would have to buy into

02:45:08.520 --> 02:45:12.440
the system so it would be like we got to get your own point to point link and buy all these

02:45:12.440 --> 02:45:16.520
servers and then all of a sudden you've just built another internet you've xkcd standards

02:45:17.240 --> 02:45:22.520
standards dit and then you could brand it yeah exactly oh no you could sell it as an mlm if you

02:45:22.520 --> 02:45:27.560
get four people on the network we'll move you up to gold tier and like and then you can have four

02:45:27.560 --> 02:45:34.200
k movies can you try to be ever so slightly less full dystopia all the time it's it's the only thing

02:45:34.200 --> 02:45:39.960
that lives in my mind is how much worse our society could be and every day i'm proved right

02:45:39.960 --> 02:45:45.320
okay good job Dan what else do we have today also why am i sitting why am i sitting here the

02:45:45.320 --> 02:45:50.680
only one on camera you you ruined all my stuff you i had i here i was like this there sorry now

02:45:50.680 --> 02:45:56.760
Dan's on the show okay cool let's see what else do we have it looks like you uh you close that one

02:45:56.760 --> 02:46:02.520
my bank blocks all international charges i asked them to unblock a subscription i was told they

02:46:02.520 --> 02:46:08.360
unblock for three months because they unblock the entire country have you all seen any terrible

02:46:08.360 --> 02:46:13.800
security oh dude one of my favorites is uh some of my information was compromised a while back

02:46:13.800 --> 02:46:20.680
and i forget whether it was equifax or one of the other ones um but i had to sign up for credit

02:46:20.680 --> 02:46:26.600
monitoring and basically i was blown away to discover that at the time i don't know if they

02:46:26.600 --> 02:46:35.800
do now but at the time they didn't support two-factor authentication didn't support it i

02:46:35.800 --> 02:46:41.640
literally was on the phone with customer service i linked them to a blog post from their own website

02:46:41.640 --> 02:46:47.880
on the importance of two-factor authentication and i was like you guys don't have this how is this

02:46:47.880 --> 02:46:55.320
even possible and they're like is there anything else i can help you with absolutely blew my mind

02:46:56.360 --> 02:47:00.760
i think that's probably the worst one that i've ever seen given the industry that they're in

02:47:00.840 --> 02:47:04.600
and given their company's obvious awareness of the importance of it

02:47:06.120 --> 02:47:12.200
honestly i actually know i've got more the fact that social security numbers and the

02:47:12.200 --> 02:47:17.240
equivalent here which is your sin number your social insurance number the fact that those

02:47:17.240 --> 02:47:27.000
cannot be changed or can be changed but with a great deal of effort is mind blowing to me

02:47:27.000 --> 02:47:32.200
especially given that we've known for so many years now for so many decades now

02:47:32.200 --> 02:47:37.880
that they with the number of people and organizations that you have to give them out to just

02:47:38.440 --> 02:47:43.960
to function as an adult they cannot be considered proprietary information that only you know

02:47:45.960 --> 02:47:48.840
i i don't get it i don't i don't get that at all

02:47:49.080 --> 02:47:58.280
hey dll why haven't we seen more cam2 in laptop since g uh j e d e c what would you call it jdc

02:47:58.280 --> 02:48:04.440
jdc uh officialized it last year also you ever think one of the big GPU vendors would

02:48:05.000 --> 02:48:10.600
ever try kind of cam implementation uh no gpus are never going back to

02:48:11.160 --> 02:48:18.360
upgradeable memory there's um it's not in it it's not a conspiracy theory it's not an invention of

02:48:18.360 --> 02:48:26.760
you know big pcb manufacturer that um you can run memory at higher interface speeds if you

02:48:26.760 --> 02:48:30.840
bring it closer and closer and closer to the die and at the speeds that we're running at now

02:48:30.840 --> 02:48:36.920
the shorter you can get those interconnects uh the the more the more the better the signaling is

02:48:36.920 --> 02:48:42.600
and so that's the that's the main reason along with the fact that the vast majority of people

02:48:42.600 --> 02:48:50.200
didn't take advantage of it that they moved away from upgradeable vram on gpus um it just it wasn't

02:48:50.200 --> 02:48:57.000
practical anymore and so back to cam2 and laptops compared to soldering directly to the motherboard

02:48:57.560 --> 02:49:03.080
it's even though it's no worse than sodium it's still worse than soldering directly to the board

02:49:03.080 --> 02:49:09.720
from a thickness standpoint and even though the signaling makes up for the um the limitations of

02:49:09.720 --> 02:49:13.720
sodium that have kept us from going beyond i think it's 5600 megatrends per second not a lot

02:49:14.600 --> 02:49:19.000
at something like that and they've gone way beyond that in some laptop designs by moving the

02:49:19.000 --> 02:49:23.800
moving the memory either onto the board or even onto the package like what apple's been doing

02:49:25.160 --> 02:49:30.520
it's still not as good as being on the board right next to the CPU and GPU for that matter

02:49:30.840 --> 02:49:35.160
um depending on the kind of memory i think you're talking about CPU memory so next to the CPU

02:49:35.160 --> 02:49:43.800
or being right on the package so i don't know i don't know how much momentum cam2 is or isn't

02:49:43.800 --> 02:49:49.560
going to gain i mean i know Lenovo has that one mobile workstation i'm hoping for the best

02:49:51.400 --> 02:49:58.360
but um this this actually was a this was kind of a a controversial point back when we did our

02:49:59.080 --> 02:50:07.560
what is it strict's point whatever Ryzen ai 300 review and i said that right now AMD does not have

02:50:07.560 --> 02:50:15.960
support for uh for non-soldered memory and i i can't say anymore people people said look hey it

02:50:15.960 --> 02:50:26.520
says on their site uh that they support it um no note okay i'll say i'll say this note that there

02:50:26.520 --> 02:50:37.400
isn't a single laptop design that has so dim memory note that just note it that's all um can't

02:50:37.400 --> 02:50:44.840
really say more i work is a drywall taper i'm wondering if Linus has any horror stories dealing

02:50:44.840 --> 02:50:50.600
with drywallers at your job as a painter i've seen some bad drywall jobs and felt bad for you guys

02:50:50.600 --> 02:50:57.000
love the show i mean every construction project that we've ever done

02:50:57.640 --> 02:51:04.200
has had some really questionable drywall work done overall i think the vast majority of the

02:51:04.200 --> 02:51:09.560
people we've ever worked with have been industrious and tidy at least as much as you can be when your

02:51:09.560 --> 02:51:17.240
entire job is to put mud on things and create dust you know but it only takes sort of one careless

02:51:17.240 --> 02:51:21.880
person to just kind of slop something together and go ah good enough i mean it's not like it's

02:51:21.880 --> 02:51:31.000
my building uh to create problems um i'd say one of the funniest ones that i saw recently was in

02:51:31.000 --> 02:51:37.160
the call me chris upgrades so you can actually i think it's in the last part where i or no oh

02:51:37.160 --> 02:51:42.360
it's in the i think it's in the Floatplane exclusive where i go after the shoddy craftsmanship

02:51:42.360 --> 02:51:48.040
of the of the drywalling at her place and just how bad her paint job is both because the paint job

02:51:48.040 --> 02:51:55.720
is bad and because the drywalling under it is terrible at two for one a yeah hi guys given

02:51:55.720 --> 02:52:00.920
how divisive some products can be are there any tech products that everyone seems to hate but

02:52:00.920 --> 02:52:06.200
that you guys actually like what do you think Dan you got anything on this one i was trying to think

02:52:06.200 --> 02:52:11.080
of something because i feel like it's going to be a cop out for me to just say ps portal again

02:52:12.040 --> 02:52:16.520
and to be clear i don't actually like the ps portal i didn't buy one i don't even have a

02:52:16.520 --> 02:52:23.960
playstation um but everyone seems to hate it and it was very clear to me as someone who really

02:52:23.960 --> 02:52:30.760
liked the NVIDIA shield and as someone who likes game streaming in general that it um

02:52:31.000 --> 02:52:41.720
um that it that it clearly had a use it clearly had uh had a target audience that um that would

02:52:41.720 --> 02:52:47.400
be very passionate about it and people didn't really seem to people didn't really seem to agree

02:52:48.840 --> 02:52:52.520
i don't know Dan you you got anything like what is it what does everyone what does everyone hate

02:52:52.520 --> 02:52:59.000
i mean i liked vista which is yes yeah i'm gonna come over there yeah there we go

02:52:59.800 --> 02:53:05.480
no uh the camera's backwards yeah there you go yeah exactly uh no i can't think of anything

02:53:05.480 --> 02:53:13.160
that like everyone seems to hate seems like everybody like likes everything was the call

02:53:13.160 --> 02:53:20.040
me chris collab three years ago no i was oh my god yeah i've nearly been here three years now

02:53:20.280 --> 02:53:33.640
seriously oh god well okay next up uh anywho did you guys check into doing a collaboration

02:53:33.640 --> 02:53:39.800
with edison motors you talked about trying after the hubble with that grant they didn't get under

02:53:39.800 --> 02:53:47.320
unusual circumstances no it was only two years ago oh geez phaser killing me here okay cool um

02:53:47.320 --> 02:53:54.360
um i think we might have something going but i don't want to promise anything because i'm not

02:53:54.360 --> 02:54:00.280
the one dealing with it and i don't know all the details but i i think that they're super cool

02:54:00.280 --> 02:54:04.280
and i think we're super cool with how super cool they are and we want to do something together

02:54:04.280 --> 02:54:08.200
but i i don't know when i don't know when the plan is for that

02:54:09.080 --> 02:54:16.920
uh ping pong greater than badminton what say you l ld i guess it's just ld

02:54:17.560 --> 02:54:22.120
just want to hear your thoughts on table tennis table tennis sick uh i've been getting back into

02:54:22.120 --> 02:54:29.640
it and it's good exercise it looks like so much fun to play it at a high level but for me um i just

02:54:29.640 --> 02:54:36.520
there's no way that i could justify switching to it right now because the the the learning curve

02:54:37.480 --> 02:54:42.200
um you could probably get more courts in in smash champs right well i mean sort of

02:54:42.200 --> 02:54:46.120
it depends on the level people are playing at yeah then you see those high level games people

02:54:46.120 --> 02:54:52.840
are running all over the place that's true that's extremely true like i know i no no no no like

02:54:52.840 --> 02:54:59.720
mile yeah you could probably get the same amount of yeah i mean most people are basically like

02:54:59.720 --> 02:55:05.800
standing right at the end of the table and called plinky plink plink plink plink right but um man no

02:55:05.800 --> 02:55:11.960
i i i just for me to get enjoyment out of it i would need to play at the same kind of level

02:55:11.960 --> 02:55:15.720
that i can play badminton at and for me to play table tennis at that level i'd have to play for

02:55:15.720 --> 02:55:20.440
years or i could just spend those years playing badminton and having fun instead of sort of banging

02:55:20.440 --> 02:55:27.720
my head against a brick wall learning curve in 2019 texas instrument tried banning assembly

02:55:27.720 --> 02:55:33.000
coding from their calculators but reached a middle ground with coders after backlash from

02:55:33.000 --> 02:55:40.680
WAN Show viewers what's your favorite time WAN Show caused a good change did i did i did i

02:55:40.680 --> 02:55:47.160
know about this i don't know i don't know this is before my time there's there's no way this is a

02:55:47.160 --> 02:55:54.360
thing i don't think this is a thing i don't think texas instruments even knows who we are uh texas

02:55:54.360 --> 02:56:00.040
instruments might be in gaslet WAN Show assembly code what no there's no way

02:56:01.160 --> 02:56:06.760
the does anyone does anyone know anything about this it says ti and calculators i assumed it

02:56:06.760 --> 02:56:12.440
was texas instruments yeah no i was i mean yeah that's i i i don't think we i don't think we did

02:56:12.440 --> 02:56:17.240
that um we definitely give some love love hugs from time to time i remember the time we brought

02:56:17.240 --> 02:56:25.400
down the Noctua website but hey look if you guys know more than i do and and there's any information

02:56:26.040 --> 02:56:31.080
about this that maybe you can get to us next week maybe we can look into that but i i don't know i

02:56:31.080 --> 02:56:41.320
don't know okay uh hey Linus how much do you credit networking with your success as an entrepreneur

02:56:41.320 --> 02:56:46.760
i help college students with networking and would love examples that you have to use as examples

02:56:47.880 --> 02:57:00.360
i suck at networking i i have probably the smallest rolodex of anyone that i know of it who

02:57:00.360 --> 02:57:08.280
sort of has a has a career like mine um i i literally don't even have contact information

02:57:08.280 --> 02:57:15.080
anymore for people that i have literally collaborated with before like okay i just mentioned call me

02:57:15.080 --> 02:57:23.240
chris i i don't have a functioning contact information for her that i know of anymore um i i totally

02:57:23.240 --> 02:57:28.280
suck at like the relationship building side of things the the cold hard truth is i got into

02:57:28.280 --> 02:57:33.800
making youtube videos not because i'm a people person but because i'm a computer person um

02:57:36.040 --> 02:57:40.520
the rest of it all just happened accidentally i just liked tinkering with computers and stuff

02:57:41.480 --> 02:57:47.960
um you are absolutely right to emphasize the importance of networking with your with your

02:57:47.960 --> 02:57:55.960
students but i suck at it i think theo is an excellent example of networking done correctly

02:57:57.480 --> 02:58:03.000
basically hey i know a guy you should talk to this other guy and then you just do that forever

02:58:04.200 --> 02:58:07.720
and then everybody knows everybody and you're in the center of everybody's universe

02:58:07.720 --> 02:58:12.680
yeah yeah i i don't i don't that's just it's a crazy skill that you that can be your entire

02:58:12.680 --> 02:58:19.000
careers just doing that a big part of like my approach to the business has been we'll just

02:58:19.000 --> 02:58:24.680
make sure our product is great and then it won't really matter like if i play the game and suck

02:58:24.680 --> 02:58:29.800
up and whatever else i'll just hire somebody with networking skills to do you a business right well

02:58:29.800 --> 02:58:35.000
i mean yeah right like that was that was that was kind of the plan with taren like he knows everybody

02:58:35.960 --> 02:58:41.960
you know he knows me he's one of the few people that like i know but he has all those connections

02:58:41.960 --> 02:58:48.120
like that that's his thing that's that's not my thing exactly support network is very important

02:58:50.360 --> 02:58:57.400
hey Linus i'm very late but just checking in to see if you watch the c uh sef Stanley cup final

02:58:57.400 --> 02:59:02.840
i know you're a conux guy when you watched hockey from a prior video did it give you joy to see

02:59:02.840 --> 02:59:09.800
edmonton lose out not even a little um i mean edmonton even going into the start of the playoffs

02:59:09.800 --> 02:59:15.400
i think edmonton had the most canadians on their roster out of any out of any team so like while

02:59:15.400 --> 02:59:23.960
it you know obviously um wasn't great to watch them beat team sweden um no i was i was i was

02:59:23.960 --> 02:59:29.400
actually rooting for edmonton the truth of it though is i don't really i see teams as businesses

02:59:30.200 --> 02:59:36.760
so beyond just kind of the fun of being in the atmosphere where everyone's cheering for the same

02:59:37.560 --> 02:59:45.080
business um you know let's go team aquilini uh i don't really i don't really care my investment

02:59:45.080 --> 02:59:52.360
in is pretty low like i i tend to get more into the like the the the the story lines of like the

02:59:52.360 --> 02:59:58.520
players themselves so like seeing um seeing paul marisse for example who was like coming up on

02:59:58.520 --> 03:00:04.040
or was already like the winningest coach in nhl history who had never won a stanley cup or

03:00:04.040 --> 03:00:08.680
something like that or whatever whatever the the kind of story was there like how many times he'd

03:00:08.680 --> 03:00:12.920
gotten so close like i i was kind of able to appreciate it from that perspective even though

03:00:12.920 --> 03:00:18.040
i was cheering for edmonton in the final i you know i didn't like seeing um i didn't like seeing

03:00:18.120 --> 03:00:22.920
that team who you know worked really hard and who i'd followed more closely and sort of you

03:00:22.920 --> 03:00:27.400
know built a weird parasocial connection with some of those players you know get beaten by the players

03:00:27.400 --> 03:00:33.320
that i didn't really care about even as much but yeah at the end of the day like to me the the

03:00:33.320 --> 03:00:40.840
jerseys they're just businesses these are just these are just emblems that are purchased by billionaire

03:00:40.840 --> 03:00:48.440
business owners uh it's not very meaningful to me um whereas like you know uh some some of the

03:00:48.440 --> 03:00:53.080
individual athletes i i can certainly get a lot more on board with um like here in vancouver

03:00:53.720 --> 03:00:58.520
the sadeen twins are like local heroes not just for what they did on the ice but for all the

03:00:58.520 --> 03:01:04.280
contributions that they've made to really meaningful causes for their reputation as being super

03:01:04.280 --> 03:01:09.800
down to earth people um the fact that they've stuck around and continued to work at the

03:01:09.800 --> 03:01:14.520
organization even though they could have just off back to sweden the second that their contract

03:01:14.520 --> 03:01:19.080
was up as players um you know it seems cool you know it seems like they're their members of the

03:01:19.080 --> 03:01:26.760
community as opposed to just hired guns who play hockey right so and last one i've got today oh and

03:01:26.760 --> 03:01:34.120
a couple people have found the wan clip as well when we're talking about the ti 84 looks like it

03:01:34.120 --> 03:01:46.360
was from june 18th 2020 um i know we both cone lemon and uh no yeah as well what what does this

03:01:46.360 --> 03:01:53.800
have to do with the wancho this is someone else's uh this is someone else's video uh developer c e

03:01:53.800 --> 03:02:01.640
concept okay wancho handle the situation better than ti yeah i i don't think this i i know about

03:02:01.640 --> 03:02:09.240
the situation with ti but what i don't know is that ti acknowledged us or that we made any

03:02:09.240 --> 03:02:14.120
difference in any way that that's what i don't that's what i have not seen any evidence of

03:02:17.880 --> 03:02:20.920
okay whatever last uh magic merch message i forgot for you that

03:02:23.400 --> 03:02:29.160
hope that this isn't rude but since you went and cancelled the marino t-shirt and m a Mac Address

03:02:29.160 --> 03:02:35.800
mock neck got any recommendations for alternate brands of similar quality to you no actually um

03:02:36.920 --> 03:02:40.840
hopefully we can bring back stuff like that more in the future but um

03:02:43.480 --> 03:02:49.880
apparel sales has been a little rough this year especially with some of the the less boring

03:02:49.880 --> 03:02:54.920
stuff anything other than t-shirts hoodies it's one of those funny things where i think we have

03:02:55.640 --> 03:03:01.640
i think we have a really strong reputation among our buyers for creating quality products but

03:03:02.120 --> 03:03:09.160
that doesn't necessarily mean how do i put this that it's easy for us to sell stuff that's a little

03:03:09.160 --> 03:03:14.360
bit more a little bit more stylish um so it's something that we're really working on right

03:03:14.360 --> 03:03:18.920
now trying to figure out you know what an identity is that we can build where we can take advantage

03:03:19.640 --> 03:03:26.920
of our strength which is our attention to detail and our our uncompromising uh passion for making

03:03:26.920 --> 03:03:36.280
high quality products but also the sometimes kind of basicness of of uh of our audience i mean the

03:03:36.280 --> 03:03:42.840
reality of i'm one of you right like i i wear t-shirts i you know like jeans and you know like

03:03:42.840 --> 03:03:51.080
i i get it um but there's tough business realities for us to for us to figure out um if we want to

03:03:51.080 --> 03:04:03.160
do more more niche products like that yeah oh okay all right uh thanks for tuning in to the

03:04:03.160 --> 03:04:09.560
WAN Show this week we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye

03:04:12.120 --> 03:04:17.400
nice thanks luke oh Dan you're you're floating in the ocean and oh no i'm drowning in the volcano

03:04:17.400 --> 03:04:19.960
oh no what would you say

03:04:23.320 --> 03:04:27.240
luke you're drowning yeah okay bye

03:04:33.400 --> 03:04:41.080
thanks luke he really does care oh luke is a real one for that

03:04:42.600 --> 03:04:47.240
i ate way too much pie that was brutal i should not have done that