If you wancho for so
the really funny one is the the buildings built by Chinese
builders in like white places because they'll be like missing
four and 14 and 24 and 34 but they'll also be missing 13.
So like my parents lived in this building that was they lived on
the 42nd floor but it's actually it's like the 36th floor
and then what's really funny is that like eventually when you get to the 40s they just give up and they use yeah I was gonna
say why don't they just go to 50 yeah I wish that building had
gone to 45 so I could have seen if they do 44 because like what
are the rules then if you can't do 14 24 and 34 but you can do
40 and 41 can you do 44 is it the second four that's why is it
only the last number that matters superstitions are fun and to
be clear I'm not singling out any particular culture here oh
no they all have superstitions they're just all fun dude I used to have lucky shin pads when I played hockey yeah dog I
don't know yeah they were lucky yeah I don't know they were lucky because they could touch your shins I'd like to touch
your shins like that I'm not gonna go to that camera
wait yet why is there an under under desk camera what do you
mean dad float blame plus
oh no damn plane
dude man okay seriously if if if I was just a completely like
evil pieces like do you know do you know what a move it would
be to to like put a bunch of hidden cameras around our
office and then like create a subscription service so that people could like log into them and stuff dude earlier than a
year ago from now they probably could have gotten away with it too like how long do you think it would have taken us to
notice before we had in for team if there was just like random devices on the network oh yeah I don't think you would have at
all yeah 100 like nowadays we'd notice don't don't don't don't
be pulling that yeah it's it's an extremely fast track way to
get fired and also sued what a side hustle though right yeah
yeah only planes dot com yeah I think you gotta find out about
it really fast though because it would get out I don't know
that I'm pretty confident get out I feel like there's some there's some deep dark corners there's some weird discords you
know yeah there's some super weird discords dark web
maybe it's just because Luke's already in them I might be yeah
under the guise of infiltrating them dude I've I've so many
fake discord accounts it's amazing it's incredible
turns out not only can you have more than one discord
application launched on your computer at a time but you can have any amount of permutation of browser logins as you want
because of private browsing so you can just be a whole
discord server you could totally make someone think that
they're joining a community of people that is just you you
have f***ing weird hobbies
meanwhile I have one burner reddit account I'm like
yeah discord bot ant farm
it's amazing what you can do with the internet when you try
um
luke manipulation tips hey man see what you just like send
chicks to this discord that's all about how great luke is
how good his chicken recipe is
digital wingman wow he's so cool he made chicken for me one time
I mean it doesn't have to be you could say positive things about
yourself you don't have to be honest
hey it was good my chicken he bleached my hair this one time you
did a great job just don't provide any pictures
oh man I let him bleach all my hair but I can't post that whoa
whoa it's against discord terms yeah except I don't think it is I don't
think it is
okay finally
discord named chicken and hot sauce he put a slit in my eye and it looked
amazing I think I couldn't see it I was given
improper tools I'm also if that was who I think it was you're not
supposed to be here right now it's still technically working now it's just a
no no that video is up on flow plane okay so everyone's seen it okay
there's no way Elijah isn't in the chat though
um
oh man what are we even talking about I guess I better get the dock open
perpetual there it is perpetual we're in dock
oh yeah oh password managers they're so convenient
I love them is his new name gonna be slit so we'll have slick and slit
we shouldn't call him slit no no I really don't think that's wise
oh man it's limp wow wow that's I don't think that's
worse but it feels worse I don't think it's objectively worse though
um
crystal says I did my eyebrows slit with the same tool and it was fine
you got roasted I don't know crystal you got roasted maybe wrong you got roasted
when did Linus become a k-pop band member no dog I haven't had nearly enough
plastic surgeries for that yet you see that guy it was like I want to
look like Jimin from BTS or whatever wasn't that super old
yeah okay yeah yeah yeah and they ended up just looking terrifying
I feel like that's true every time there's been a few people that are like I want to
look like this person and then they just look like a horror show yeah it's it's
because it becomes uncanny I don't think I've seen any that look
close enough to reach uncanny unholy maybe yeah
pro tip do not get plastic surgery to look like someone else
even if you succeed you've lost oh yeah oh yeah
the guy who wanted to be the human candle oh my god
oh it's the new bracelet oh yeah I got a new bracelet what's it say
it says something right yeah dad yeah nice yeah face well and after the video
earlier this week I'm waiting for all the people who like call me gay over it
or whatever dude back to the old days yeah exactly you've got let's bring it back
oh dad it's just like water but yeah yeah
so then I'm gonna be ready we like yeah having sex with a woman
and making a baby who makes you a bracelet of them
sure my god do you love her
oh my god
we should have brought like sleeping bags pretended it was like a
sleepover do you like some way oh my god you love your wife
this guy man
girls the feelings
I don't know man there's just a subset of people that are just like
I can't yeah yeah I just I just can't man I can't if you have enough time in your
day to like care about someone else's
day
get a hobby you need to get busy yeah and I mean that in every possible way
that's rough go find something to do and go get laid
both
that's a that's a yikes uh yeah
all right let's do this thing oh shoot I didn't log into the dashboard
that's fine I'm ready I'm ready to log into it
we're logging so hard
the youtube dashboard or merch the uh no neither of them oh oh oh man I'm not
logging into anything oh crap oh man I still man I still think it's like
tabl something tablary oh yeah what is it it's
in ffp dot like I only need part of it I just think oh mm
dot in front no it's not why is it not oh I'm I'm not you don't say it
uh
okay
okay I have no RAM you know this okay yeah yeah I'm good okay
feel so validated look it's a disability but also I get hyper focused
sometimes it can be useful we share one
wrinkle adhd is like the most the most like
rpg game style like you gain a benefit but you have to take a negative
all strength yeah it's so like I get hyper focused
but sometimes I just I don't know I don't remember anything and can do
nothing I keep saying that the void is real because I'm holding an object and then I'm not anymore
and it's gone but then every once in a while turbo mode
yeah you put in like a year's worth of work in a weekend or two
it's a serious problem for me how big our office is
because I will just never find anything yeah yeah
all right let's do this thing what what is this
uh
uh is this is this good hmm I had to use this drop down I don't normally have
to use this drop down it was on this and I set it to this and now there are
things here but on this one there were no things here that's weird but you're on the right one the thing that you change it to is the
correct one cool so I don't know I did good
I'm sure like Jonathan or AJ we're doing something
or that yeah I don't know
okay are we doing this thing
this is funny boxin buddha says first time I took
Adderall I cried my brain was quiet for the first time and I realized this is
how normal people feel
oh that's great I've never tried Adderall but I was on Ritalin as a kid
and dude I was basically a completely different person
like completely different person I was like 10 and I was still like
acutely aware that I was a completely different person maybe I was nine
that's really wild actually yeah being acutely
aware of practically anything of that type is a little wild
well I'm precocious like that uh oops that's the wrong one
okay dude I had to send some wires for Yvonne
while she was away and like
right after the twitter headache no no no no no but I mean I had to
I had to like quadruple check oh yeah to make sure because when you send a
wire wrong oh it's done it's like yeah it's
bad yeah it's bad the fact that we still do things through
wires is nice happened to a client of mine
they sent a hundred and fifty thousand dollars
to nothing somebody intercepted the wire in like the planning stage
and when they were ready to purchase the machine they said okay ready for your
payment somebody at the company I think
oh wow yikes there was so many international like bodies involved
oh yeah yeah like they follow it up and stuff they just like back
I don't think so yeah which is always crazy
yeah straight to China like if it's gonna be like all digital and stuff then like
okay like it's digital like I just I don't I don't and the fact that
the really bizarre one is the fact that they cost like 25
35 $50 to send yeah it's like how much does it cost you
my credit card I can I can charge back my credit card like what do you what are
you even talking about I so you can handle the overhead there
but you like can't handle it here it's like hey like that went to the wrong
place you could do dispute resolution for like we
especially because you can buy like hundred thousand dollar things on a credit card you know what I mean like what and I'm
sure there's reasons I just don't care about them
that's not my problem yeah it's just wild okay sorry sorry sorry I don't know
a lot about wires I just know that it makes
it it's difficult for me well they can be made of copper
usually they stretch it because it's a uh what's the word starts with a t
the the the pencil yeah no it's time to start the show
yeah duck it's duck tile oh well that doesn't start with the
duck tile but it's a t in it okay I've resumed the selected what about goose
carpet
what is up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined up
for you guys today yeah uh oh uh okay there's one bit of
bad news we're gonna talk about this uh real estate dystopia
very cool algorithmic pricing means uh cost of living
basically go up but this time it's algorithmically
also
I will be eating some humble pie today we got hacked earlier this week
uh control of our twitter account was lost and it turned out
it was my fault fortunately humble pie you get pie out of it
is delicious yeah so we're gonna be talking about exactly what happened and
I'm gonna be eating crow you know pie pie
yeah not not crow but humble pie what else we got I wish def con it was super
cool and we're gonna talk about that because it's like actually cool and interesting that's the badge yeah this badge is crazy it has a
gameboy emulator on it super cool what else we got
you know we were sitting here for 45 minutes
google's team pixel program changed to require influencers to be biased towards
google I didn't think you were gonna bring up your uh fishing I thought you're gonna avoid it so that was gonna be one of my topics
no I'm not avoiding it I'm meeting it head on I encourage people
to come out and talk about being exploited being hacked yeah and being
open about it so the only thing that I can do to
salvage any kind of scrap of pride at this point is practice what I preach
and go into it completely kimono open here's everything that happened
yeah all right so here comes the kimonos coming kimonos coming off
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the show is brought to you today by Corsair
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secret lab why don't we jump right into our headline topic for today which I
forget what it is what was it again you getting fished
Disney oh we didn't even have that as a headline topic right we got to jump
right into that this is crazy this is not okay a 42-year-old woman died
after an allergic reaction eating at a restaurant at disney world resorts disney
springs in october 2023 she was highly allergic to dairy
and nuts the restaurant was chosen because they
advertise the accommodation of persons with food allergies as a
top priority okay a lawsuit was then filed in february of 2024 by her husband
for damages of more than $50,000 this was a wrongful death suit now okay that
kind of makes sense because if you say hey like i'm allergic to this and
they're like hey no problem we got you there are there is some fine print i
think many menus will actually have a disclaimer where even if the server says
hey like yeah sure there's no there's no nuts in that there's always the chance
of these things at this chance of cross-contamination however um from the article that i read on this
seemed to suggest so take this for what it is seemed to suggest that there was a
substantial amount of what she was allergic to in the dish
okay so this is where things go completely off the rails and is what
pushed this to the top of our subreddit earlier this week
disney filed a motion in may alleging that the husband okay so
not not the woman who died the husband accepted a forced arbitration agreement
when signing up for disney plus in 2019
they also seem to be under the impression
that they agreed to an arbitration clause when purchasing tickets to disney
world the husband's legal team argues that the
disney terms were made effectively invisible disney put the link to its
terms of use within another link on the agreement page
when you sign up for disney plus and neither of these agreements were
necessary they were never forced to read them to eat at the restaurant
because get this you don't need to buy tickets
in order to access disney springs
this is wild oh yeah this reminds me of who was it
dystopian as hell who who was it who uh hold on i'm gonna look it up
i'm gonna look it up the soft drink hitman yep yep
yep i'm gonna look it up i think it was coke um
yeah yeah the coke the coke death squads
okay where their defense their defense for this
was not we didn't we didn't contract kill people that was not the defense the
defense was here in the us you cannot pursue us for this
because it happened outside of your jurisdiction yeah
i mean i thought the whole eula thing was kind of settled
where they're they're in a super enforceable where they're in a where they're in this gray area where like as long as everything
makes sense within all of the other laws that exist for all the good reasons
that they exist then yeah you are effectively agreeing not to use the
i don't know um team viewer for terrorism or you know whatever
else the case may be right like there there are certain things within an end
user license agreement that do make sense because they're for the protection
of intellectual property holders for the protection of the general public
they're for the greater good and they're they're things that you would kind of expect however for me to agree not just to a forced
arbitration clause over some issue that i had with the disney plus service
because that i could see if somebody were to say for example
watch some show on disney plus and they were to get inspired to shoot john
lennon who knows right if if if lennon's
if yoko ono okay we're getting a little off the rails here but if yoko ono
comes after disney and goes okay you're liable for the shooting of my husband
um i can't well wait because did she sign up for disney plus
the point is if you're if you are a user of the service
and the issue that you have with the service is related to the service then okay no problem
but if oh man i'm trying to i'm trying to come up with a parallel here
because this is mind-blowing okay i'm wondering i'm wondering what if it's like
no let's take our company okay okay uh let's say for example that you sign up
for Floatplane okay so that's our that's our video streaming
service where you can get early access to some of our videos
uh yeah including scrapyard wars uh you can also get extras for some of our
videos including scrapyard wars i'm not
saying you should sign up for Floatplane just saying it's got good stuff but let's say as part of our as part of our agreement you know we've got okay
yeah there's a there's a forced arbitration clause because if for whatever reason um uh there's a billing error
okay uh and you say i was i it put undue mental strain on me that uh i was
double billed that one month because of administrative error
and i'm seeking $50,000 in pain and suffering damages or whatever else
we're we basically are going like look our entire agreement with you
our entire agreement with you is over like tens of dollars
um yeah uh we're this is going to go to arbitration we are we
you you wave your ability to like make a
file it super no not super but basically a nonsense lawsuit
like i can understand that protection being in place i actually
don't know that we have a forced arbitration clause do we
do you even know i don't think so okay well anyway the point is the point is
the point is let's say you sign up for Floatplane okay so and let's say we have this clause for you know maybe maybe some kind of reasonable reason
but then you go to you go to LTX you go to a whale land
okay and and we have we have a gigantic
Elijah head that is suspended from the ceiling
okay because we think that's funny as f*** for some reason i mean it would be
right it would be like a giant Elijah head it would be pretty funny oh man what if you had a whack-a-mole game and it was
Elijah wearing helmets thank you but this is very off
topic yeah i like it though okay so we have an
Elijah whack-a-mole game okay and you like hit yourself in the
face with you get well no because that's on you you get stuck in the machine
you get a staff an LTT staff uh tells you to go inside the machine
and and you get you get Elijah whacked to death
you get whacked okay that's pretty whack
to imagine for so far off the rails like if you never
if you never signed a liability release to to ride the Elijah
whacker to wait this is starting to get a little weird um the point is that
if you never signed a release we just do a direct thing you ate you ate food
there whatever it doesn't matter the point is if you have if you never signed a specific release for that
if you if you never consent it to anything to do
what does your agreement even though it's the same organization it shouldn't
actually it isn't because Floatplane is not even the same entity yeah it doesn't matter the point is this is this is
insane yes this is completely insane yeah and
honestly i think you and i've had this conversation we're like i remember talking to you about this and i was just like yeah
you know what the legal system needs it needs like a like a common sense filter
we've we've actually had so there's like an intervention layer
that basically looks at something and goes hey proactively bs detector you know
what maybe maybe the law doesn't account for this
but we need to get some legislation fast-tracked to deal with this because
this obviously makes no sense like this is such a bad faith argument
that i don't know i don't know how disney's lawyers can sleep at night
yeah yeah absolutely i mean we we've had a conversation when we were we were
doing the legal agreements for flow plane and a couple other things that we have
um we did have conversations because the external contractor legal team that we
had handed us like the most legalese thing on the planet
and i remember this was many years ago but i remember you and i looking at it and being like this just sucks because it's like impossible to tell what they're
trying to say so we had to get them to do multiple rounds of like simple this down make it easier to understand
and even then just to be completely honest ours isn't the best i've ever
seen i've seen some that are like very easy to understand
really really well laid out but you have to work with lawyers to get it there
and they don't want to do that they want it to be difficult to understand
because then it stands up legally like more which is annoying i hate that so
there's a few things here so alt ochers in Floatplane chat says that's what
judges are supposed to do but that's not actually true judges are in charge of
sentencing and they can interpret the law but they don't get to
look at the letter of the law and go i don't like that law it doesn't make any
sense if there is a is a a basis if there's an argument
that has a strong basis in law they can't ignore it
right like that that's that's not the judge's role it's it's legislators who
create laws judges just interpret them um and the process mr vaney says term says it covers
any disputes with the Walt Disney Company and that may be true but what i'm
saying is that that's crazy yeah um there is another point here
and this is a really good one from papo daca that says
disney doesn't run that restaurant either okay so i don't actually know if
that's true but it's a really interesting point because here's my problem with that when you license your name
you are you are you are collecting money you are you are collecting revenue
for granting the trust that is associated with your name
because otherwise the name being on the restaurant
wouldn't have any value i'm eating at it because i trust
boston pizza or subway or whatever here's a question on on that topic you
just mentioned sub yeah subways a franchise system right so if you eat at
subway and you get some i don't know crazy food poisoning thing or something that you could sue for let's just
imagine there's something you could sure do you sue the franchise owner of that building or do you sue subway
so what i i don't i don't know the specific answer for subway what i
suspect is that there are various agreements depending on who you are
franchising from and depending what exactly the agreement is there
it also probably depends on exactly what happened if you followed if you followed process that was handed down to you
by the i don't want to call it a parent company they're not a parent company
by the brand by the brand owner company um and something went wrong anyway
then i think that's kind of between you and them but it might end up being a
chain of lawsuits or because subway is a bigger
better known target with more money i could see how
if someone did encounter uh you know get poisoned at that restaurant say for
example i could see why they would go after the bigger more obvious target without necessarily even considering that
they're also probably the better protected one from a legal standpoint
because they probably deal with this kind of thing all the time but but my point is that you can't have it both ways
you can't hide behind oh well i mean we weren't even running the restaurant
but then also benefit from your name being put on you have to take a
you have to take some responsibility for it i mean i remember having this
conversation with a youtuber who famously got into the fast food
business a couple of years ago where i basically said yeah i i don't know i
good for you um but we've never done anything that you can ingest
and the reason for that is that i am i'm deeply concerned i tend to be pretty
conservative when it comes to business risk and liability
um and i am deeply concerned that compared to almost anything else we do
like a shirt or a or even water bottles actually i
we talked about them a lot before we uh before we move forward with them yeah
backpack you know what's the worst that can go
wrong right um compared to anything we do
something that someone ingests has well the maximum ceiling for what can go
wrong it could it could kill them and even if i'm not
liable even if i'm not found culpable for it
because it's like a ghost kitchen or whatever
do i want to do i want to think about that
no i don't there's there's a lot of decisions we we've made actually
including the the flow plane vpn thing yeah where it's like yeah we just don't
really want to think about this problem at a certain point like we can we can do it we could have made some type of food product
for sure sure there's even want to dude there's food products that i'd be
pretty interested in making yeah like i think you know how much i love breakfast
cereal i've i've recommended you make cereal multiple i know i know but like am i there's a lot of risk with it dude am i going to be on
the factory floor yeah exactly am i going to know if there's toenail clippings in it the factory floor probably won't even be in this
country yeah i mean realistically yeah i don't know i mean
actually i don't know like green products there's a lot of green here no i think where like where it is uh where where the uh where does like general
mills make cereal where where is general mills based out of
headquarters in minneapolis all right yeah they make cheerios in north america
okay yeah there you go maybe that's a thing yeah maybe maybe that's a thing
maybe that's a thing because like i i can't imagine shipping like
basically air and wheat yeah i just automatically assumed it's a product
it's made somewhere yeah no we have a lot of reproduction but yeah we do we do
so that kind of makes sense um anyway in summary i don't like it
yeah yeah all right it's bad all right unsubscribe yeah
well i mean you've already signed it yeah after you unsubscribe i don't think
i don't think that helps i mean i still would anyways sure but i mean yeah you do whatever you want yeah
yeah i mean do you really need to watch moulin that badly probably not
there's this whole thing going on with disney right now where they're losing
the like the war for kids attention like the main
viewers of disney right now are millenials not kids really um and like if you if you look interesting is that why inside out two
killed it maybe hold on think about it think about it
riley in the film is what 13 i'm not sure i think she's 13 because she's going
into high school she's either 12 or 13 we're getting there we're getting
yeah we're getting there so if i am at the at the the
leading edge of millenials i'm in my early 40s right now
if i had kids at 28 which is was a more normal age back
then because now people are just not at all and if they do it all it's like
well into their 30s but if i had kids at 28 all of a sudden my kids are
around riley's age dude is this just a bunch of millenials
taking the young families to see it probably am i a textbook case luke did they case study me because i took my kids to see
inside out too you're probably part of it uh they've apparently even been
making certain changes to the parks to cater to millenials more
because millenials without kids are currently the main demographic
of people going to disney parks and actually spending considerable money
while they're there because it's childless millenials that like
can afford it because if you have kids in your millennial you probably can't afford anything so it's it's really interesting and
like they're they're they're losing a lot of
they're losing a lot of viewership to youtube effectively
yeah i don't remember what her name is but there's some lady that does something
on youtube that is getting like incredible amounts of views for like
kid content sure someone probably who knows i don't know but
like they're miss rachel yeah someone in chat immediately knew what i was
talking about um but yeah miss rachel's her name
and there's a bunch of other kids content that's just like exploding coca millen stuff like that disney is not super in the picture right now when
it comes to kids content one day ago yeah yeah
are you kidding me right now yeah this chick owns
kids youtube content
owns it 147 million views in four months what even is happening right now
yeah yeah she's closing in on a billion views on this i find this
interesting yeah like thumbnail logic stuff right she advertises the the time of the video as an element of her thumbnail
uh-huh so like oh i want my kid to leave me alone for an hour
for 35 minutes yeah that is 50 minutes hilarious 60 minutes 85 minutes
one hour wow and it's just it's it's super safe
um dude she collabed with sesame street yesterday
are you kidding me
you know what sleigh queen but she's killing it absolutely yeah all right
like i don't know anything about her for all i know she eats babies um that's
why she makes videos for them but sure i don't know her i'm not saying she does
do that i'm just saying i don't know her all i know is that she's actually
mind-bogglingly successful but she seems pretty beating disney seems pretty
wholesome on the surface so uh yeah sleigh she's a teacher
apparently yeah not anymore i mean still but i just i don't i just mean
not like you know out of school anymore unless she like also still is she
might yeah just because like she might just that's crazy i gotta tell you i don't really i don't really see i don't really see the
i don't i can't tell the difference between like the the kids content that
works and the kids content that doesn't work um but i'm yeah i'm sure she's doing great anyway
point is uh as far as my understanding goes a oddly high percentage of miss
rachel's success has been word of mouth
because all the parents are telling each other like my kid really likes this
one also i've like watched some of it it seems really safe
i've overheard conversations of parents telling other parents about miss rachel
and then what is she just like less annoying than blippy so maybe
win i don't know yeah i don't know anything about blippy but
someone in flow plane chat i have no idea if this is true someone in flow plane chat said the studio that owns blippy was sold for three billion dollars
wow it's a freaking wild dude okay
oh sick yeah
harlem shake plus blippy luke watch later i don't
i don't think we need it's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake
yeah man it's crazy because like sorry there's a there's a mashup that's
basically the best hold on a second did disney buy blippy
and was part of a three billion dollar acquisition by disney
oh disney bought it because they're trying to fight for kids
they're trying to get the kid viewership crazy
oh wait what they made 17 million and sold for three
billion oh man
i don't know what i don't bus part of a three billion dollar acquisition
by disney who knows fair enough all right anyway yeah man
i i remember back in the day like looking at some
like have you seen any of the weird like russian channels like russian like one of the biggest channels in the world
is like as far as i can tell just these russian kids that are being exploited
for views on youtube like it's probably like freaking wild and i'm not
saying that because they're russian i'm saying that because like there's a lot of kids that are exploited for views on youtube it's just a thing
yeah a hundred percent um yeah anyway i uh i remember looking at
stuff like that as i was sort of like going through like top channels by country and like i just see these just explosive view counts i'm sitting here
going dude we do so much work to reach like a million people
because just frankly not that many people care about how many platters are in a
hard drive or like whatever the sh** is we're talking about like yeah and i could i so i could just i could just i could sing songs i taught
swim lessons i teaching swim i think that's almost like
there's a fishy in the middle and he can't get out no he can't get out no he
can't get out don't eat the thermal paste dude i can even sing on tune
let's go subscribe to dude i i would watch it
you would get an amount of people that would subscribe and watch dude like so
many of these songs are just like um uh what's what's the term public domain
and stuff like totally a lot of kids songs are dude whatever i could i could i could make up songs about surelock homes
who's also public domain okay probably not for kids
see this is why this is why i can't handle it i i think i i think i'd get bored i'm more arty in the nook
surelock homes in like the case of the the the stolen binky or something
oh my goodness it was in the power supply
mom opened it unfortunately mom isn't around anymore
the stories of hard times explaining difficult things i would not tune into
your channel good that's right um all right
anyway speaking of fishies in the middle oh this uh amazing i got fished
yeah basically i think the so okay earlier this week
actually i well man last weekend so almost almost an entire week ago
uh we were having a pool party at our place sorry
make his advertise said luke's channel is the one you get if you leave youtube on
autoplay
oh yeah that's way too real i'm an angel now and came back to earth as elsa
elsa's building a computer wait don't she beat spider man
i want to go home and start filming this immediately
okay sorry anyway we were having a pool party and i got an email
that basically was like someone logged into your twitter account from some ip
address in russia okay so i'm gonna i'm gonna interject as you go
through this yeah but you're referring to as russia is in fact
russia plus yeah exactly well or as i've taken to calling it russia plus
turkey russia plus you can't wait sorry
carry on uh so did you do all of this on your phone
so no okay so you got the alert and then you ran to your computer
i did okay okay and um basically it dropped me on a
page that was like hey reset your password and
it's one of those things where i like to think i like to think
that i am better than this for real i i like to think that i
i can do better than this i know better than to click a link in an email
you navigate to the site manually and reset your password that way
so this is the yeah so john hammond a uh he's a youtuber who does the hacking
and security content um i shared some of the details in the email with him and
then he did this like really sick deep dive yeah so i'm gonna kind of go along with your story with with breadcrumbs that john
hammond has so this is this is uh actually just the
screenshot from you so this is the email that was sent to Linus
it shows like the location being russia which for most people is going to
instantly click is like something is very wrong it says that uh this account has logged in and then there's a link to secure
your account now yep um and then when you clicked that link
it would have brought you here yeah here we go
yep right here yeah so that's how they got the password
and then once i entered it here's a quick question yeah when you entered it
did it say that it was wrong uh i don't think so
don't remember because when john hammond was poking through the site he found
that it will automatically tell you that you entered it wrong
because they can't actually check yeah so they tell you it's wrong so that if
you did actually enter it wrong you'll hopefully correct it
interesting they're just trying to gather as much info as that's possible that's possible but like the thing is i they caught me at exactly the wrong
moment and that's that's what i was that's what i was about to say because like i'd like to think that i'm better than this and smarter than this
but i had just lit the grill oh it was hot
i was supposed to go and get food to put on it
there was kind of no one else to to do that um
it was it was kind of Yvonne's event and and so i didn't want her to have to
to have to cook and so i was like i was russian
thanks um and i was like okay well i just need to get this
locked down nothing else matters other than just like getting it locked down i
don't ultimately i think part of it is i i don't really care
about the twitter account i think there's a combination of things going on so
so uh distracted time pressure from the barbeque yep
there's the don't care as much about the twitter account like i've had multiple
conversations in the last six months about just not bothering with it anymore yeah we don't get a ton of engagement there compared to um instagram compared
to tiktok um our social team has mostly been
redistributed within the company anyway because we're looking at it going
what does the roi hear exactly like tweets yeah
um and twitter's been a big part of that because it just it just doesn't move the
needle for us we can tweet about a new video and we'll get like
four referrals like okay why why are we even why are we even bothering with
this um so the the the last one which i think
you mentioned at one point in time publicly was that with the youtube hack there was some takeaways and one of the takeaways
was act quickly so i i think taking those
things combined it was a bit of a perfect storm sorry keep going yeah so so basically the next thing it prompted me for
was my uh my 2fa which if i thought about it
no i don't need my 2fa to reset my password because it should just go to
my email to reset my password so what started happening
was um at some point i i made it to my desktop i don't know if it was
immediately that one sec sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna timeline us a little bit
sure so this is the page um on your screen
sorry this is the page that you would have gotten after you entered it one
time um so maybe that is where i went to desktop then because i don't remember exactly like it was
happening really fast yeah um there's there's a cup okay
actually i'll go into ways that you could have figured out that it was wrong actually once we're done so this page comes up and then the two factor page
comes up yes uh i'll find that you keep talking
yeah so basically what i'm not going to get into too many details because that's
you can tell i'm fuzzy on it i was distracted and i was in the middle of something but what started to happen was i started to get real
password reset things that i was also doing
mixed in with some of the fake stuff yeah and that's where i got
really confused
because i would i would get i'd get a i'd get a real password reset email
but like it wouldn't work but then that's so confusing because
it was clearly still tied to my email by that because that real password reset
email was probably the hacker setting things over
but those emails are still going to you that makes sense i never really
thought about that so long story short i got
discompubulated and i guess it happens to me once every eight years
that's the last time i got fished wait wait no not eight years ago
no the last time the last time i got uh bamboozled into clicking something on
an email was the last time i lost control of the LTT channel
so that's really old no that's older than that's older than eight years ago
yeah hold on a second i'm going to find out when it was closer to like 12 or 13 in the meantime why don't you walk us through this
and all the ways that this really it this hurts right because
i know very well i know better if you sat me down and told me i'm going to give
you like a security test and you asked me hey if you get a
password reset email should you click the link i'd be like no yeah no you should navigate to the site manually i've even heard you say this
before just to back you up um so first off uh if you really want
like oh hold on a second while you're while you're hosting this part you're
going to eat humble pie i'm going to bring out a special treat
for the show this is my humble pie uh which was meant to be a surprise for
my co-host that i will be that i will be eating humble pie on the show
today well you announced it earlier but i also talked about it early on the show now so i'm gonna i'm gonna get this going a
because i deserve this um b because it's the right thing to do
um when something like this happens the best defense we have
is to own it publicly own it use it as a teachable moment
um so that hopefully someone else will avoid a similar attack
and uh reason number three because i'm actually really hungry
and i could really use some pie right now i've actually had kind of a hard
week nice nice um okay want some pie i assume
not but i should offer it Dan would you like some pie uh yeah sure i thought
you're gonna just eat the whole thing on WAN Show no yours doesn't have to be
humble yours can be just blueberry pie only mine's humble berry i mean i can
go leak the the twitter account again if you want then i'm gonna have some pie
no that would be a stupid pie malicious pie
three point one four i fired yeah two point one no uninsured employment
insurance pie yeah yeah uh if you want the the best
public breakdown of this there's a couple but if you want the best one i would
check out the the phishing website that hacked Linus tech tips
video from john hamid that he posted two days ago i'm not going to
play it for the stream because you should check that out what i will go through a little bit though is his twitter thread which is also a good
breakdown of events but not as good as his video his video has
extra little tidbits including a conversation that john haman had
with the person who did this to you oh nice that's included in the youtube
video so you should go check that out it's a really tell me it's a interesting conversation um john haman was was quite diplomatic about it i
think in in an attempt to try to get more information but didn't get a ton of information but there's an
interesting back and forth that happens including some like
it's it you should go watch it it's really good uh Dan
i um i went i fell just short of putting this in a blender
but i think they heated this up or something because it's falling apart
that's okay my mouth does that anyway here's your pie
it's not wrong thank you very much okay so i'm gonna go
somewhat through this twitter thread um this we can't see in this
screenshot but the the sender email or the the from
oh yeah totally wrong was like x-login.com or something
can i interrupt for a moment can i interject the email you're referring to
as xsomething.com is sorry i don't remember exactly when
it happened anymore but at some point in the interest of simplifying the ui
mobile mail clients stopped showing the email address by default there's a lot
of things about this when did this when did that happen because it was years ago and why yeah i don't know probably space savings like
condensing things um i remember thinking it was stupid back then
and i i own part of the stupidity i i hold on let me get my humble pie let
me get my humble pie i own part of the stupidity here
but can that not be a thing like why is that a thing
that would have definitely helped because i would have seen that it would
have been front and center hold on hold on i'm also going to get that
date for you um of the previous the the youtube one
from way back yeah the i literally think it was like 12 years ago or 13 years ago um but yeah fine okay all
right carry on carry on luke's laptop luke's laptop the from which isn't on
screen right now but the from was info at x-login check.com
so that's your first if you check that um that's your first flag that something's
going wrong there's a couple other things that are wrong with the email
but it's going to be really hard for you to be able to tell this is not an exact carbon copy of x's actual we noticed a login it's
pretty close but it is different um but if you highlight over this secure your
x account now um that's the next kind of
somewhat easy tell that this is wrong uh because
the link that went to you is this one this
u45827238.ct.sengrid.net and then it wasn't
uh an x.com domain so that's that's another giveaway
once we get to the website itself this page
uh there's a few things wrong with this page already
old password is a little bit weird um all these links at the bottom aren't
actually links that was a fun one that was figured out is that these don't go
anywhere they're just texts that you can highlight with your mouse they don't
they don't do anything and this like old password new password new
password is kind of a weird way of writing this out this is like kind of a
weird english way of doing this also some of the ui design just like doesn't
feel 100 right but it's not super obvious it's just
thanks for throwing that in for me it's just a little it's a little weird um
moving forward uh he like looks into the this is really interesting he looks
into the actual code figures out how things actually work finds the API
request different things like that finds that the comments are all in turkish
um does some more poking around where is the
login failed here it is okay here's the next one when your first login fails
every login that you do here is not real when it actually works it just
offboards you to x's actual website because it's like whatever we have
nothing to do with you anymore um but after the first time you put in your
data it's going to ask you to do it again and it's going to say that it's wrong at this point in time you've already given them your
information like you're i don't think you've given them your two
factor at this point but you're already kind of screwed things that stand out
here though even if this image loads i think the reason why this image didn't
load at the time was because the account was set to private so i think when
you get at the image would have loaded uh to be clear just didn't load for
john hamid this change password button actually going flush against this
bottom line is probably not something that um developers would have done
there but also look at things like this your old password is incorrect space comma space please double check it no
punctuation um nice little things like that can
can tip you off that something's going wrong i don't know if he has the
screenshots of it in this thread i know it's in the video but when it
asks for the two factor code yeah it it says two fact
um it doesn't uh yeah i don't think it's in here
dang interesting um but he he has it in the video
yeah but the the text for the two factor is like
pretty bad um because it just says like two fact and it's it's all
written oddly um but really like the easiest way to
get around this stuff and an an automatic default and you should apply
this to a lot of different scenarios not just potentially fishy emails
um is when you're warned about something like this like if your bank calls you
and they're like oh my goodness something terrible has happened
say tell me what number i can call you back at no
yeah and then you check it then you google the number you can check it if you want but you just google the number and call them anyways you don't you never
call the one that they tell you on the phone unless you google it and it matches perfectly matches yeah yeah
um or like oh sorry extension is what i would is what i would ask okay yeah
because you need to be able to get back in touch with the person obviously but
you don't don't talk to them yet yeah don't talk to them on the
phone you want to be the person who reached out and you want to be able to verify the contact that you're going to reach out to them at
through entirely your own methods don't listen to them telling you to google a
specific thing in order to find them don't don't do any of that stuff
find it completely on your own in this case what you do is it's oh there's a
weird breach with my x account close that email load up
x the app if you're on your phone or go to the x website directly yourself
so desktop and then reset it that way this is one of the things that really
screwed me here i'm not logged into that account
on any of my devices not a single one so sorry i want to i want to point this
out really quick someone in full plain chat said you don't even trust that the caller id is valid that is true it's you can absolutely fake caller id
don't trust it at all no matter what it is and then find another way to reach
back out so if i had been logged in to my twitter
account i would have just used the app to sign out all
other sessions yeah but i wasn't
yeah what what threw me off was that you had said
that you didn't click anything in the email so i didn't think i did i didn't
think it was phishing so i was trying to figure out like what the heck would have happened because from my perspective i'm trying to think
about like okay i mean the first thing everyone
assumes i'm at defcon was it me right but i can rule that out
pretty quick because nothing weird is happening to my stuff and if they got
into any of my things why would they go after the x account
it's like one of the least valuable things i have access to
there is so many bad things that could be done like that doesn't make any sense
to me i say okay so i rule that out pretty quick you say you didn't click on a link okay so i rule out phishing turns out it was
phishing but i rule out phishing at the time then i'm trying to figure out okay if they got into like our password manager
again why would they go after twitter or x or whatever
it's like it's it's oddly low value compared to the other things
that they were able to get if they had uh these other potential attack
vectors so i came down to assuming poor sammy
i came down to assuming that like sammy logged into the account
from a personal computer that was compromised or something because i was like that's really the only route i can think of
that would have worked for this and my brain is just completely on fire trying
to figure out like what the heck how did this happen
and then i think it was john hamann reached out and was like
hey it kind of looks like it's phishing and he pointed out a few reasons why
and then these are again things that wouldn't have been
super obvious in the moment but are ways that he was able to verify that it
was a phishing email later so one this Android thing is not an
Android version so that's interesting
yeah yeah yeah um
he also noticed when he did get emailed by them
that the Android version changed so he thinks it's just like a random number
or something not entirely sure and then if you look up
the x login account device email thing or
or make it happen somehow yeah it is a little bit different so he could he was
able to verify that it was a phishing email there so i looked back into it
and i had linea send me the email and then oh yeah oh okay
i realized before i even click send to you that i was done
i was like oh crap absolutely wrecked yeah someone said ask how many followers
does the linesec twitter account have they could just want exposure um
sure but again if they had any of these other methods why just take the x account if you had our password manager you could take the
x account you take the instagram account you take the youtube account and then hit all them at the same time like just taking the s account is pretty low
value if you have like actually breached
things that we have but if it's it makes sense that if food be a phishing
that's the the phishing topic nice be be vigilant watch yourselves
always vigilant yeah yep and check out john hammins video because it's
fantastic yep
all right apparently it's time for us to do some merge messages no it's not
it's not i don't know what it's what go up to the phishing topic at the very
top there's this
oh uh oh then announce oh yeah hey yeah oh yeah we have
do you want to want to go to the thing sure so uh
do i have to read all right you know what i can't no no no no no hold on let me
get some of the pie get some of the humble pie
eating the humble pie what better way to commemorate
Linus getting got than with a limited edition t-shirt
and hoodie these are print to order so um
yeah these are these are mock-ups of what the design will look like but you
guys know we do we do a great job of our merge um
got fish is it the whale land whale but without the jewelry
yeah which we know a whale is not a fish calm down
um yeah yeah designed by sarah these are a reminder
to always be vigilant about the emails you receive
clearly it can happen to the tech tippiest of us thank you for that team
but the best part is we are donating all of the profits from the shirt and
hoodie to the electronic frontier foundation a non-profit which defends internet civil liberties
that says luke should be able to talk more about the org since he picked it
they are now available at LMG.gg slash got fish
if you google eff uh you're probably not going to get the
the eff that we're talking about uh so electronic frontier foundation yeah so
look that up not the acronym um but yeah they they they
seem pretty cool to me i don't know a huge amount about them but they
they have like three different parts of their organization i don't remember
them exactly one of them is a legal base where they try to
jump in on certain trials and um help in whatever kind of way benefits civil
civil liberties for people because their biggest thing is i don't remember what
they call it but it's where they try to jump in on
cases where like precedent is being set cool and they try to make sure that the
right precedent is being set in these cases they also develop things so if i remember correctly correctly it's like
privacy badger or something is made by them which is cool
and there's there's other stuff that they do that's that's cool as well we
were trying to pick a like kind of somewhat hacker-centric
organization so thought this made sense cool yep
so we're we're gonna we're gonna turn this l into a w as best we can uh while
you're on the store this week we've actually got some pretty exciting new
products oh my goodness they've got a whole
they've got a whole thing for me okay so first of all scribe drivers
which i wish we'd called the write-off but hey the name is done the packaging
is printed uh we're going to the Linus camp scribe drivers
our pens that are made out of failed screwdriver shafts from our original
supplier that kind of jerked us around screwed us
over i think that's the word i was looking for uh they are not knurled enough for a screwdriver
but they are knurled enough for a wonderful little writing implement with
a cool uh bolt action uh pen action so you
guys can check that out we've got uh 10 000 in stock
which is a which is a lie uh because we actually have
on yesterday before end of the workday we were already around 50 percent of that yeah i know uh hold on hold on hold on let me check
let me check so if you guys are wanting to get in on this shipment of scribe
driver you might want to move pretty fast because we've already sold through
6200 of them and we restocked them yesterday a little before noon i think
so cool um yeah go check it out it takes standard uh it takes
standard ink things from what are what are their names again
LMG.gg slash pen here you go uh where is it uh yeah parker g2 refills
these have been really popular reviewed really well uh from our first shipment
people are friggin loving this thing are you guys going to carry the refills
uh no i don't think so because people could just like
order them from amazon or wherever like uh
maybe maybe not i don't know and you can use whatever you want
yeah like that's the thing right i that was kind of the whole point is
we're not selling you a subscription for a pen we're just selling you a pen and
you can put whatever refills whatever color whatever whatever it is you like i'm just thinking if i if i want this pen
long term yeah i might buy the pen and some refills i know
thing but then we have to like find a supplier for refills
you're not you're not wrong i the team knows okay yeah yeah they're they're
working on it but either way you can get refills from wherever you want
cool um oh apparently we changed the print on the boxes from gloss black to white
to make it read a bit more easily anyway it's available
with a brass or stainless steel accent and uh
enjoy the bigger one is guys the laptop bag
the laptop bag is finally here have you actually been hands on with it yet
never genuinely not once which terrifies me because that's he always
uses this as a way for me to show it off and i don't know what i'm doing every
time he's the worst vana ever yep and i kind of love it about it here it is full of stuff meet the off
site we're going to the loot cam okay here we go oh yeah
it's an off-site storage reference ha ha or off-site work
reference i mean i wasn't involved in the naming on this one at least it's
better than what we normally do which is which would have been
laptop bag yeah so you know what baby steps um baby steps
hey who we're going to loot cam uh even though it looks like one it is not a
sleeve it holds way more and already wants us to zip
the laptop pocket open which is the one on your left
the one by the the one by the little handle okay sorry i was inspecting the
zippers for a second okay so first you've got a laptop pocket it opens up
way deeper than that sir oh no that one doesn't no no
yeah don't the other one sorry sorry sorry sorry first you get the laptop pocket which is lined in micro suede and is divided into two sections
one where most laptops will fit and then the other is a snug pocket for smaller
laptops and devices okay he wants you to zip the laptop
pocket back up wow arty's got all these instructions and everything
direct instruction he knows both of you very well he works for creator
warehouse now uh our old uh social lead um okay
but then but then you unzip the primary storage compartment
no one can see what you're doing luke god just how do i even
unzip the primary storage compartment okay you got to unzip it all the way
and there's a pocket for just about all of your smaller electronics and
accessories dude this is crazy like the number of laptop
sleeves and stuff that don't have a place to hold a charger
is absolute madness to me that's the mouse pocket okay
it's the big one this one so you can hold a real charger
you can hold a real freaking charger anyway we're supposed to highlight the
laptop charger pocket the mouse pocket okay because like we
understand we understand and respect that you need to carry a mouse
we've got our cable loops um there's a micro suede tablet sleeve so you can
carry a tablet around with you as well and we even have a hidden air tag pocket
did you catch for the oh oh yeah i only knew that was there because he showed
me before the show nice but this thing which could hold
a scribe driver um you can like roll that away
and then fit it in in there best thing about it
is everything's in sight everything's easy to reach no rummaging around inside
your bag and then there's a smaller pocket at the front
it was just a lot bigger of a book than i expected heck yeah uh there's a smaller
pocket at the front you can close it um for like your passport or wallet or
any other small objects oh whoa there's individual little
sleevey things in here as well yeah heck yeah heck yeah so i've seen a lot of people commenting that it's really expensive
i was like yes do you know how much those ykk zippers cost
do you know how much all these pockets and all of this construction costs i
don't i don't make the rules um it's one of those conversations we've had a
lot of times expensive versus overpriced yes it's expensive no it's not overpriced um all right let's go back to the
loot cam you also have another pocket in the back here that magnetically opens and closes so that that pocket that that was in is
magnetic which is kind of nice because it just will hold it closed
and pulls out the shoulder strap so this has a wide padding that's
very similar to the straps that you'd find on the LTT backpack and it secures onto the laptop bag with two locking carabiners
if you're not into that it is completely detachable
available in two sizes small and large for 99.99 check out which one your
laptop fits through the size guide LMG.gg slash laptop bag yeah so if you
were tossing this in like another bag or just wanted to carry it by the carry
handle that i don't know if we mentioned you could take this thing off with the
locking carabiners and then repurpose this back sleeve for whatever else i
guess yep um considering that they're not
shipping yet so they're expected to start shipping by the end of this month
these are actually moving pretty well i'm very very excited
it's a luggage strap yes oh yeah cool right yeah it's a pretty featured laptop
bag it's like the a lot of people saw our backpack
and we're like who the heck is this for and then the tens of thousands of people
who know what it's for bought it and loved it this is like the same kind of deal
it's the same kind of deal it's the laptop bag for people who have actual
like fucking work to do and have stuff they need to carry
you know like she's she's kind of thick when she's loaded up actually if you
kind of show that's that's with a laptop and a tablet and the chargers
and the mouse and the books and and the shoulder strap and everything like it's
not harry potter technology but it can get relatively thin yeah
things things take up space but it's uh it's designed to be able to fit stuff
very very very very excited to be launching this one
uh webbing on the sides um i don't think you would call it webbing but
they're like loops there's loops here yep so and right here there's another
loop it's currently being used for the the um luggage strap but this
luggage strap is velcro on yeah you could remove it if you weren't
going to use that feature cool right and then it's the same two loop on the
other side so if we ever have accessories they might attach to the loops
there or or or you could just hang cute
little you know crystals or figurines off of it i don't care i suspect that'll be the most common use yeah oh yeah oh yeah
oh yeah but cool what is the max size of laptop we have a size guide on the site
cool yeah go check it out um i wanted so badly for it to fit the framework 16
with the GPU hump but it's the weirdest shaped laptop ever
and i was like sorry framework i love you guys very much but it's not going to
fit in our laptop bag yeah yep i know guys i know
believe it or not my investment in framework
does not actually guide the decisions we make as a company
if it did that would be a big problem yeah
um all right what else we got we want to talk about oh oh we're supposed to
explain merge messages all right so yeah if you were going to order something hey now's the perfect time to leave a merge message
don't do super chats don't do twitch bits do merge messages because that way
you can throw money at your screen you can interact and interact with us and
support the show and you can also get great products in the mail so all you got to do is go to lttstore.com
and in the cart you'll see a little box that gives you the option to fill out a
merge message it'll go to producer Dan hey look there he is wow he's real i mean this could be pre-recorded
Dan prove it's not pre-recorded
see if i leave this long enough a loop it actually is pre-recorded
no i can't uh so it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to
himself forward it internally uh pop up your message down there like that or
well that's his message what are you what are you trying to who you're playing
too thick what are you even talking about
anyway uh or they probably liked it or he'll send it to me and luke
for uh as a curated merge message and we'll talk about it on the show what
do we got mr Dan oh well we have loads of merge messages
coming in today we've had so many people buy pens
oh it's pens it's pens there's a lot of pens
we've done how many how many though luke how many though
do you know how many pens yeah just here hold up your ARM and i'll write how
many there are okay use the pen okay there we go
where do you where do you want you want it inside yeah okay
oh no i know what's happening i've just embraced it at this point
luke you were moron
i mean i got fair but at least i didn't pull for that i only got it when you
started writing on his head i was like what does he mean how
many slide oh man okay
honestly what the second you can at least tell the people yeah
that many pens 15 15 pens 15 pens the second the second he started
rails like i just it's happening now there's no point
what's the first line is there like it's better than just embracing yeah
yeah exactly you know i actually feel a little
better are you sure you wouldn't like some humble pie it wrote no i'm good i i deserve it but i i yeah
it wrote pretty well for a pen on on yeah it comes with a quality refill out of
the box um but then you can put in anything you want after you put in a crappy one if you really want
uh if we ever do a promo on the pen it should totally
pen 15 15
uh all right uh yeah so we are probably gonna do a pen company now
i know right like what the heck dude i don't even understand what even kind of
what what even kind of company are we do you know how many of those ppm 79 50
thermal pads we sell probably a ton on a random day
like earlier this week we didn't have any promos running we didn't have any product launches or anything we sold a hundred units of that just like do you
think it could be like builders in one day
yeah like so what i'm saying is like are there single orders of a bunch of them
oh that i don't know because that would be interesting to me because i know they can just be like really annoying to get you know what
our timing was great because even though it took us forever from the video we
made about it to getting it in stock uh there was a recent article on i think
it was igor's lab where he was breaking down like bad thermal
paste that uh GPU manufacturers have been using
and then he used ppm 79 50 or maybe it was a separate article about ppm 79 50
hold on i'm just gonna bring it up uh
yeah 79 50 either way he's been he's been talking about it
there you go not so overhyped um they are they are freaking awesome so
it's been like in the news and being discussed
a lot especially lately and as far as i can tell
we're like no one ever mentions us for some reason which is weird but
when people go looking for it we are like the go to
for reasonably priced well packaged ppm 79 50 um
someone in chat said i bought seven of the smaller pads when they were on sale
there you go yeah but i'm just wondering if there's
if there's like actual professional builders that are just getting it from
there like all right because i don't know maybe they buy much larger sheets combat jam says for the ppm there's a
cooling dude on youtube who does consoles and stuff who talked about your ppm
and how it's just easier to get and you know it's the right stuff without going through china like that was my big problem when we were trying to get it
to make our video finding a reputable a reputable
source for it was a nightmare and i was like this is just this is stupid
because this is a quality product from a brand that everybody knows if you've
never heard of honeywell like you've been probably living under a freaking
fridge that was made by them like it's like they're just one of those companies
that makes everything right and it seemed so ridiculous to me
that counterfeits existed of a stupid thermal pad
and that not only did they exist but they were so convincing
while not having the performance characteristics that it was almost impossible to determine which one was good and which one was bad
and i was like okay well we just need to get in touch with honeywell which by the way is a lot harder than you would think
like honeywell does not care about your $50,000 order of thermal pad
zero this is the number of f's that they give about our business but
fortunately it was i believe it was a connection through a viewer
who worked for a distributor who was able to get in touch
with honeywell so that that was how we were ultimately able to get
definitely absolutely PTM7950 actually real yeah and uh yeah super cool
so what kind of company are we are we a thermal pad company
we sell 100 thermal pads a day luke you sell pads and shafts that's all you
sell a day
you're a weird person i'm not the one who said that
you're the weird person it's true
you know flatten around that's two things you sell clothes and
only two shapes two shapes two shapes flatter round flatter round lumpy okay less than a hundred a day less than a hundred a
day in the last seven days uh 572
is this is this seven days yeah is this seven days
why what just some of these things there's just a lot of them
dude LTT stores are real business yeah yeah wow i know right it messes me up
every time i look into it the fact that at one point time we were a water bottle company and there's no water bottle up there
oh yeah there's one well most of our water bottles are out of stock it's a
long story but oh yeah that's part of it um and then we were we i think we were
a water bottle water bottle company and then we were a mouse pad company
yeah and then overnight we became a screwdriver company
and also a backpack company like i had a very similar time they launched
almost at the same time man i still can't looking back
that was stupid i ordered a hundred thousand seventy
dollar screwdriver what the f*** was i thinking
i mean it worked out i know but it was crazy yeah
that one to be fair that one had a lot of like lore behind it
sure but logo for the channel and like all this kind of stuff what if it wasn't
good yeah what if project farm had reviewed it and been like yeah it's a
piece of that was like the the number of people that
i've seen you know criticizing the price or whatever it's like yeah criticize it all you want but the reality of it is to make a high quality
product like that with licensed patents from companies that develop
products that you could patent stuff like it it's not like it's cheap it's not
like i could just turn around and and liquidate them for ten dollars
no it's it's just an expensive screwdriver and i'm sorry that's just the way it works um so if project farm had been like
yeah it's rubbish that would have been it i would have been done
what's what's this video i had no oh i don't know
i haven't looked at it the last time i looked at it which was quite a while ago it was cooking um see
4.1 million he's got a million on the stubby
dude that's wild if you're wondering why these aren't
watched uh it's just because we're on like the wan the wan accounts that's
crazy uh no that's not even that's not even oh no i use my this isn't my
personal i use my personal to watch youtube because i have premium
um yeah and like look like he's not the only
opinion that matters obviously but he is an influencer in the truest sense of
the word yeah where he influences yeah i feel
like he probably wouldn't love that um but i don't because of the i don't
mean it in the derogatory sense yeah because the association that it has
with things but i understand what you're saying and i do i mean he's someone who other people go to for the advice they give to
anyone i knew that is that is influence with a capital
i yeah and so he was terrifying i knew about project farm from
from years before he he reviewed the screwdriver um
i i i don't remember why i think i found like a video that he did on jeans or
something yeah sure i don't i don't remember what it was
but yeah as crazy guy guy covers like everything counterfeit tool
batteries like knife sets i'm just looking through what he's done lately i haven't checked out the channel in a little while
like the best trash bags like yeah i need to know that yeah why not i should
probably watch that one i need to know what's a good trash bag
how else how else will i throw away my trash effectively i mean who who likes garbage juice who likes garbage juice getting all over
your floor i hate that i hate that it sucks doing the apartment building all the time it's gross yeah so so i don't mean any disrespect when i say
influencer i mean one who is influential he has influenced me
yeah um so yeah that was that was pretty scary have
have we really spent all this time yick yacking without actually doing a merge
message Dan Dan can you confirm i uh yeah the
longer that i'm not doing merge messages the more merge messages there are so
i'm not really too bothered to be perfectly honest cool good chat goodbye can we do a merge message though i was going to say
i actually do need to do one more yeah let's do like a couple i think
okay hi dll i work at work i use an identity vetted email service it has
zero spam mainly because of the vetting process would you consider
identity vetting if it meant an end to cheating NVIDIA games
oh oh wow that was not where i was expecting either
i think at a certain
like you know they have like casual ranked if they have like casual ranked
competitive and competitive had like identity vetting
i think i'd be cool with it i would do it no question
i had someone actually email me after the phishing yeah yeah i was i was
gesturing with my head if you didn't still read it nice
it's just tuning in now
he's an enthusiast it's his new tattoo they got it from Linus
it was a gift oh man he got it 15 times
hey oh yeah hey yo um
anyway i had i had someone reach out to me um
looking numbers they're like a security they're like a security researcher
they do security solutions um yeah basically they were like
hey yeah so here's all the here's all the stuff
that i was able to dig up on you uh you know do you want to know
do you want to know more about this and here's some potential insights and
um you know here here you can have a look at you know here's a here's a device
you used in 2019 and uh here's apps that that you've
installed and here's this and here's that and i'm just like
thanks all of that's public you can probably find more info on me on rocket
reach if you really want it my privacy is dead and he's like no it's not dead it's not dead it's not dead i'm just like
it definitely is though uh oh dude dude it's so dead
it's so dead man like it's dead it's been dead for a while
it's been dead for a long time i mean i have lived so much of my life
on the internet at this point like
every once in a while i think about it um someone will talk about like
og you know youtubers or whatever that are still active
dude it is getting to the point where there aren't
that many genuinely from like very small
my era i was at i was at defconn over the weekend and one of the things that
happened was some people that we were hanging out with didn't know like who i was so i would explain
uh and they'd be like oh cool like when did you guys start that
and i'd say the era they would just be like
like what i'm like yeah not actually the beginning but like at this point it
might as well be yeah the funniest thing about that is when i got started on youtube i felt i was sure it was too late
yeah i was like no it's too late yeah i'm like oh that everyone's already
established at this point i'll never catch up like i'll be irrelevant in the
tech space forever um same thing with twitch man you look at
you look at the popular twitch moves faster in regards to pushing people to
irrelevancy you look at the top like x amount of
creators on twitch even from like a year ago or two three years ago yeah it's
completely cycled yeah i mean the whole like whoever like x
x fell off you know asterisk fell off it's it's it's a meme at this point
yeah the only x number of viewers blah blah bro fell off right like it's
someone told me recently about the like the five-year rule
where it's like practically impossible for any like influencer creator whatever
you want to call it to stay at a at a high peak for
more than five years can't do it i call it the curve i've talked to you about
that before that's my it's my term for it the curve has only one shape
yeah that's it yeah i wonder how my curve's doing you used to be able to see
it all on social blade because um that was before
it's one of the most annoying things youtube has done yeah youtube um made
them stop displaying data that they collected via the API
that is over two years old so you used to be able to look
at the entire lifespan of any channel and you could see
the entire like shape of the curve and it was always
well and the subscriber numbers also weren't as like chunky this
yeah yeah um hey hey hey look at this though
look at this we're going up guess who's back
back again your hair is blind
nondies back kind of works out tell a friend
anyway yeah wait did you just get an LTT Store ad
you probably didn't see it oh did that happen i don't know i i don't see
the ad close the page yeah look oh yeah look at that
nice that's not a very good ad we paid to show ourselves what's even happening
like you don't i can't even fully tell it's an ad it's just like what is even
the point of it random icons
interesting so if i if i click a specific product is it open that product
opening to hit tab yeah yeah do we even is this water bottle even in stock
i don't know it is yes okay so it managed to pick a product that's in
stock that's something that's good uh circuit desk pad yeah
okay it's a nice desk pad okay so it does open the individual
wait can you even buy that is that is that a size we carry what is this size oh okay oh sold out okay well
yeah it makes sense we're not going to restock that size it's so small
yeah it's i mean it's adorable but no um oh are we not bringing a circuit
desk pad back in oh well it'd be nice if i could filter by stock is that
something that the star team could do like just so i could say like show only
in stock or something i think so that'd be kind of cool
uh can someone log that the arrow on that drop down is also
uncomfortably close to the bounds of the box but yeah i mean no professional
web developer would ever do that according to your thing earlier oh that wasn't that wasn't the thing that was wrong that wasn't the thing that was wrong
yeah yeah yeah come on um
oh already says you can you have to go to all products
well yeah but i want to be able to do it like on the individual yeah he means for
variants yeah that might be pretty annoying but we'll
i'll i'll mess around we'll look into it yeah if there's anything we can do that be pretty cool uh all right what are we what are we supposed to be
talking about right now here's a second merch message ah yes what about second
merch message hey you need to be home by nine
yeah i was not informed of this i was not informed of this you were
yeah you were like halfway through the show no
yeah yesterday what yeah he's on first pink
i don't know i'm just i'm i i have no idea what they did it and talk about
i don't care red yeah get wrecked i don't remember this now you're
wrecked on camera hey do you want some more of that pie i haven't finished this one because i can't stop typing because i'm up to 187 now uh
hey dill i've been thinking a lot recently about netbooks and i think the
form factor should return besides their underpowered components why do you
think we haven't seen any recently you know that's a
funny question um the usability issues with netbooks
went beyond the slow hardware because that's
something that is totally solved at this point you could make a high
performance computer in the in the form factor of an acer
aspire one at this point throw like uh like a AMD apu in there or
something like that i mean look at the size of something like the steam deck
absolutely you could make a netbook but for me the usability issue with the
netbook was less to do with the performance with those crappy Intel
adam cpus and it was more to do with uh the usability of it
it's not like the it's not like the form factor doesn't still exist like
companies like gpd essentially specialize in building products that
address that market like look at this here's the here's the win max uh 2024
edition here let's just fire that up i'm gonna click and add let's go but there you can't oh no not that one no no not the win max hold on
hold on hold on hold on uh no the one that i want is
uh is it the pocket micro pc i think it's the win four
i think it's the win four let me have a look here
uh pocket three no not the win four i can never remember their product naming
scheme where are the hands for scale whatever the point is that you can
definitely get devices in these form factors but what made netbooks so special was that they were super cheap
yes that's what made them sell the only reason why people really was the only
reason people cared so now that we want performance that's decent
they're not that cheap and the usability issues that existed for
netbooks like their little tiny screens and little tiny
keyboards those haven't gone away and i think a lot of people were kind of
tech curious about the category and tried it and realized
once and for all that they never need to do that again
there are definitely careers that i could end up in
where i could be convinced to use a netbook like device
potentially uh there was one really cool one that i think was
from gpd that had uh an input on it so that you could actually use it as a
display and keyboard and mouse for a device like as a as a
mobile technician or something like that oh that'd be so cool
but at anything i have to type on for any reasonable amount of time i want it
to have a proper size keyboard and i just i'd rather i'd rather
save my space this way you know and have a keyboard
than save my space this way and not be able to type on the device
because you have to put the battery in it either way it's going to have to have a certain internal volume if you want to have reasonable battery life
this so this i don't believe is a topic in the doc but someone in full plane
chat just mentioned it and i'm going to just say it out loud so you can look
into it if you want but apparently there was a two billion plus leak of
personal uh date of birth and social security numbers
for us citizens that happened okay there's not two billion sorry what
it says two b plus i don't know that doesn't make any sense
doesn't make much sense to me either unless maybe it includes uh numbers
and information of deceased people oh not even then
i don't think there's been ever two billion americans total isn't there like
over three hundred million yeah so if it's cycled yeah that'd be a lot of times yeah no okay um
anyway big leak well would you cut it in half
uh two point seven billion records apparently it's uh yeah it's it's the
number okay so it's a lot more than half so it's probably counting a record for
a full name a record for an address a record for date of birth a record for social security etc yeah it's a lot a lot of stuff
like i said it's not a prep topic the number is definitely wrong but a major
record holder got hacked essentially yeah okay yeah um also the records are
inaccurate okay cool well yeah it'll include dead
people changes of address all kinds of stuff like that got it
troy hunt apparently has a blog post about it that makes sense
he would do that all right want to talk about super cool real estate dystopia
yeah all right uh this is a great article that i read on the atlantic
earlier this week um just a few months after reports
emerged that modern cars were sharing information with auto insurers
a california woman had her home insurance cancelled because of
drone footage um oh wait this this is two different oh okay this is two
different things this is not the uh the the atlantic
article so first is one from petapixel um
jones van curin's insurance provider of 40 years csaa dropped her home
insurance citing unacceptable hazards and liability exposure
van curin was told by a representative that they flew a drone over her house and concluded that the final phase of her home of her home renovation project
was hazardous clutter now here's we've talked about this before
because this has happened to someone else um but what's interesting about this
one to me is that her insurance provider csaa
is saying hey we didn't violate your privacy
we don't have drones we just paid someone who did we used
several sources of information to assess the condition of the property
which could include aerial imagery captured by third party
fixed-wing aircraft and satellites sick and ah this is going to be a tenuous
connection but this kind of reminds me of the disney
um okay the disney case earlier where it's like
look if you're gonna have your brand name on it
if you're gonna have it as part of your business practice at the end of the day you know if you're amazon and you're going oh
well those those mistreated truck drivers or whatever they are
they don't work for amazon isn't there some amount of precedent for this
they're contractors i mean that's why companies contract
so that they're not responsible for the workers conditions
so that if something goes wrong they're not liable
or they can cut ties and just walk away or maybe because they really want to
work with that person but that person's in another country and then that's the only way that it can work we like our contractors hello
or because they live in cobalt in cobalt it's complicated
cobalt's a whole heck of a thing but i'm not talking about hiring a contractor
i know i'm just i'm talking about taking an entire
division of your business or an entire role within your company contracting it
to another and contracting it to another company
who then can treat those people however and theoretically there's this
there's this layer of insulation between your brand and your company
and what they're doing and it's like i don't understand
why we allow that insulation to exist if you
if your contractor is using aerial footage to
why are we getting into this conversation about who's who the drone belongs to
who cares yeah you are using drone footage that was
collected which is technically legal i guess but you're using drone footage to
surveil someone's private property and determine if they should be eligible
for insurance or not it's just it's freaking dystopian
that's the issue although it's not nearly as dystopian as this next one and
look i am not a lawyer i'm not a legal advisor
so take everything that i'm about to say for the ignorant rants of a lay person
that they are but this one really upset me
this one's from the atlantic here the original article you should go read it
it's really good it's going to break it down more than what we're talking about but in other unfortunate real estate news 30 to 60 percent of multifamily
building units in 40 housing markets are apparently using property management software from the company real page to
adjust rent prices okay so far i guess right
sure but real page has been accused of antitrust
violations and price fixing due to their ai revenue management algorithm
see he's starting to i'm starting to get some twitches in the thing
basically property owners input their unit prices and vacancy rates
and then the algorithm spits out a rent recommendation
based on what competitors are charging
the lawsuits actually multiple lawsuits against real page and their lawsuits
against similar services allege that the landlords actually
encourage their competitors to also use the service
why because if they're all using it then everyone will get better results
uh-huh uh-huh and they can collude without talking to each other directly
and they can all work together to raise prices to
sorry excuse me let me use the correct term here
ai manage their revenue
this is flipping wild and the reason that i wanted to talk about this is
because the tech bro cabal you know the the the tech
elite whatever whatever you want to call them the people who are out there doing interviews and making arguments
about these ai agents or algorithms and i don't really think it's fair to call
an ai agent an algorithm i actually don't really like that term
because to me an algorithm is something that can be expressed as a function
whereas machine learning is not necessarily simply expressed as a
function you can you can express the desired outcome
you can express what the input was but what you can't express
is exactly how it achieved that necessarily
because it's going to depend on how many times it has
adversarily reinforced itself in order to achieve that outcome like it's not
sometimes it's not a simple function though that that narrative is used by
companies that want to well i'm getting to that i have no control
i'm getting to that here's my problem is the people that are getting out there
and doing these interviews making those arguments i'm really glad you brought that up because that's exactly where i was going with it
they've got to pick a f***ing lane because on the one hand
right they're kind of going oh we couldn't possibly know it's a black box
yeah it's a black box we don't know how it works um we just try to poke it and hope yeah we we just hope for the best right
and then when they want to when they want to train it
right uh when they want to use um let's say copyrighted
or otherwise you know not legally available content like say from youtube
channels or or netflix or whoever else well then
now all of a sudden well you know it's uh it's
oh wait this wasn't quite the argument i wanted to make whatever okay let's back up a little bit let's back up a little bit so when they want to train it
okay the argument that they make is that it's kind of like a person
right like anyone any any entity could have consumed that content and learned
and everything that it that it produces from that point
whether whatever similarity it bears to what it learned from
is just like any any person would right but then
the legal argument around this uh this price fixing issue
anytime it does something that they don't like it's not it's not it's not a
person it's just an algorithm yeah so you got to
decide which one it is yeah does it behave like a person
taking in information from around it and then
and then black box doing its own thing with it and it's generative
or is it an algorithm and can't be held accountable for behaving
like a person would because that's the argument that real page is making
they're basically saying that well because
none of these people are talking to each other
there is no single entity that is bringing the entire thing together to
become collusion they're all just using an algorithm that is
suggesting things to them based on information that it has
but the lawyers who are filing these lawsuits argue that
it like a person yeah who was acting as an intermediary
has private information that it shouldn't have
in order to give those recommendations sorry it took me a while to get there but
basically we made it my whole thing is like look you've got to pick a lane yeah you've got to decide if they're people
and therefore should be allowed to intake any content they want like a person
would or if they're just algorithms in which case well I
guess you can't really do that to to train them they shouldn't be able to
take in that information either way it's pretty clear to me that what real
page is doing is textbook collusion and price fixing
yeah it's just that the textbook was written a
long time ago yeah this is this is horrible
i i'm really hate corporate residential investment
but that's a story for another time yeah and just again i'm not a lawyer
i don't i don't know the law but what i do know is
this doesn't seem right yeah um and i am i don't think it's cool
yeah anything else is there something that's cool
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oh okay uh Dan hit me sure what's the most unexpected loss
leader you ever came up with either for LTT Store or LMG in general
oh uh the elemental t-shirt um remember those shirts that just had LTT
logos in the top that was um that was turning one of our biggest
l's into a w because it turns out while people weren't that into the
design of just an LTT in a random color on a shirt
people were super into the quad pack bundles that we did of them
at a really aggressive price um people liked them so much as a stupid loss
leader item that we actually intentionally did i think
either two or three rounds i remember of printing those shirts
with the intention of selling them for um
i think by the time we like everything was handled and everything i'm pretty
sure they were at a loss so um good job team um
i mean it is a thing that businesses do well where they will buy something
with the intent of not making money on them with the intent of losing money
on them but it doesn't happen that often for us we're a pretty small company we
don't we don't just buy stuff to lose money on it
generally speaking isn't that like the whole thing with the cosco food yeah yeah rotisserie chicken the hotdog
rotisserie chicken is a huge one yeah i didn't even know that the rotisserie
chicken was like a loss leader thing until i i read they are so
cheap for what they are you can't you can't buy a uncooked chicken for
for for less which is crazy and it's cooked in season and everything they're
really nice so this is just a cosco sponsorship now
uh val hieric says the rotisserie chicken isn't a loss leader
really that doesn't that doesn't compute for me
i i don't think you're i'm not sure they say they don't waste a single bit of it
well yeah but even then guys it's just a chicken they just took a chicken and
they put it in a plastic container yeah guys i i i don't i don't know i'm
i'm pretty sure i'm i'm pretty sure uh in a 2023 earnings call cosco chief
financial officer richard galanti said cosco's rotisserie chicken is an
investment in low prices to drive membership
to drive sales in a big way that's just a fancy way of saying loss leader
it's at the back of the store like the bathrooms for a reason
yeah and uh the next line of this is almost exactly what line has said word
for word is that's a fancy way of saying that the product is a loss leader yeah
i wasn't even gonna say it i was like wait that's almost my word
um yeah crazy yeah i mean i think it is
or it might even be a thing like maybe maybe they profit like
a tenth of a cent on each one that's still kind of a loss leader in a way
yeah because even just the administration of having that is
going to make that automatically not worth it yeah
all right LMG continues it's assault on my wallet
Linus did you ever hear from big time about sponsoring them
uh unless a deal is done you know i'm not gonna yeah i'm not gonna talk about
it um what i will do is i'll reiterate that we would love uh we'd love to do a sponsorship with big time
there's even if you know everyone agreed in principle that that was a good
idea there'd be a lot of details to sort out like you know let's say they were like oh yeah sure sounds good uh how about
one billion dollars you know for a for a community post you know obviously we
wouldn't move forward with that so there's a and i'm not saying they did that
i'm just saying there's a thousand reasons that something might not go through
even if we'd like to and even if they'd like to so i i'm very interested in it
personally but there's also other stakeholders internally that need to be
convinced we don't just operate based on what
Linus thinks is a good idea anymore we have other leadership and that's a good
thing what a loss you're a loss
and a leader
i don't i don't think i'm uh is this loss i yeah do would you call
like support departments and infrastructure a loss leader in a company
oh uh they're known as the burden department yeah yeah not loss leader but
i just cost the company money because a loss leader actually has to have the
potential to generate profits elsewhere yeah we don't come here for infrastructure
no but i think that's true because i mean if we didn't have a single server
i think about the infrastructure department think about the accounting department you're called cost centers burden yeah i've heard that one says
the warden no i know cost centers yeah that's a nice
yeah no you don't get to be a loss leader sorry i don't know if cost center is a nice name i i prefer burden department because it's
way more offensive burden department yeah like you're a net drain on this company
keep doing your job but we're looking at you it's like oh i'm sorry for being
employed by you if you didn't have us your company would
implode but it doesn't mean it's on your balance sheet is anything good investors what's this well that's the
entire workforce that makes that makes our well we got to get rid of them
well outsource them and then the company implodes that's basically what happens
all the time yeah layoff yeah we'll just outsource it
you know we'll get it stuck is doing poorly fire everyone
i love who's gonna fix the company ai yeah uh that'll make the stock go up
what do we do when that doesn't work i don't know that's some others shareholders
problem i'm okay i'll get a golden parachute move on to the next one
yay uh in in the badminton center is definitely a
cost center not a loss leader yeah especially when it takes all of our
infrastructure people away i wanted to do my job i have good news
no it's good news why are you gonna be such a
so i had a meeting with the city oh no way
i had a meeting with the general manager of the city of surrey
i can't believe i haven't talked to you about this i didn't know cities had
general managers they sure do i thought it was just mayor well i mean mayors have staffs they don't just do everything
you sound like one of our viewers who thinks that i like it's just like a big
guy in an office and bake the weed and like a little red hen over here like no
they have of course they won't eat no wheat oh it's a story of the little red
hen i know if i said weed did you have children's stories it's like the canadian version of the little red hen
not the weed the red hen rolls the joints in a tiny peak
you don't bake the weed the weed bakes you
never get eye in your own supply Linus
okay so those eggs would be off the chain though
from high chickens okay it's like high chew but way worse
um okay important meetings yeah so so we had a meeting with the
general manager of the city and in much the same way that you know i
can't say with confidence oh we're going to sponsor big time or you know whatever i can't say with confidence that we're
going to be able to move forward with whale lands at the badminton center
slash i'm just going to start calling it smash champs so that's that's what it's called it's called smash champs um i'm not saying that we're going to be able
to move forward but what i will say is that we had a really
constructive meeting um we chatted for almost two hours
so it was a it's never a good sign when a meeting is 15 minutes
um it is almost there's like a there's like a happy spot like
how good of a sign it is is if it's a four hour meeting it's probably bad
so it was almost two hours including two site visits
so they went to smash champs and then they also came here to the office
to get an idea of you know what our operation looks like
for like land gaming and slash sport in the city
and then what our operation looks like that pays for
land gaming and sport in the city in order to just like get an idea of what
we're about and i will tell you this at the end of
the meeting the question the summary question was okay
what do you need from us to get these gaming events going
oh that's a nice one it's not a guarantee
no there's you know red tape but it's it's good
red tape can't be immediately you know cut necessarily no matter
what kind of position of power they're in but this is really cool for me as a
resident of the city of Surrey i've i've observed many times over the years
that there is like all to do here um and one of the big
problems is that our previous councils uh like our city councils
have not prioritized it yeah so to have fun you have to travel out of the city
basically for a long time and what's cool is one of the things that he said
is that in his 10 years working for the city um this is the first council
that has come to him with a mandate of hey figure this out that's awesome
actually yeah that's very cool and even not even
just the impact on smash champs like obviously i'm happy about that
but i'm also excited about the idea of things to do
being something that the cities that are out here care about
i'm gonna bundle in like Langley stop acting like suburbs
carrying a little bit more with like the Langley event center and stuff but
even that like unless you're doing organized sport
it's i mean that helps that's cool yeah i like Langley event center
i'm for it but we need kind of more stuff like that
yeah a hundred percent and and it's it's it's funny because uh one of the
things that he also mentioned is i forget what the time frame was but i think
it's sometime in the like next 10 or 20 years based on projections
Surrey's going to be the biggest city in the province
not Vancouver yeah i mean that makes sense because Vancouver's already built
up and Surrey's only built out and not even completely built out
um and so major inefficiencies like the like the fact that we don't
the fact that they have like all the sports arenas and like all the
entertainment district and all that stuff is sort of it's sort of like why
yeah why is why sorry why is Surrey a suburb of
Vancouver like like why don't we just why don't we have cool stuff to do here
and i love that mindset yeah that's yeah yeah no it's great
and so yeah so i was talking to him and i was just like look like i'm
i'm i like to live my life via improv rules
right and improv rules is you work together
and you can't say no because no is not useful
no doesn't give your partner anything to work with and
we've encountered some some obstacles within the bureaucracy and and the
answer could be a barrier that's so high that it's effectively a no yeah but but no is not helpful and so
like okay one of the concerns that was raised to us was occupancy and we kind
of went okay so what's the limit there no
and we kind of go but what if we what if what if
okay what if as a requirement all the bay doors are open during these events
because because there has to be a reason rules exist for a reason
so tell us the underlying reason because if we don't know the reason we can
address it so it's so it's fire code but with
all the bay doors open everyone can leave incredibly quickly yes okay but that isn't even the issue because i'm just i'm just with the
number of exits we have i think we could do up to like 400 or something like that so that's not even the bigger issue it's not what we're cleared for now
but looking at the building it shouldn't be a problem got it the big one is parking and we kind of go okay
but what if we worked with our neighbors because these events would be taking
place outside of regular business hours and this is an industrial park so
theoretically as long as we clear it with them it should be no problem to
have tons of parking and they're like no
and we kind of go but that's not that's not rational that's not
that's not a conversation that's just well okay there's a there's a truck
parking place down the road like literally half a
block away or something like three quarters of a block away what if we worked out a deal with them uh or we or we hired out a parking lot a
greater distance away and we arranged a shuttle service no
so is the issue parking or is the issue that you're just an obstinate
f*** what is what is the actual problem here
let me solve problems and and talking to the gm
he seems like a problem solver cool and he seems
excited to work with one in that role problem solvers yeah and so that's
that's my whole thing right is sorry i didn't know your job is just
is uh yeah yeah it sounds like you're doing it well so that's my whole thing is i like problem solvers because this is this is one of those
things that is a that is a net obvious benefit to the city
it brings it brings dollars into the city
it brings uh attention onto the city which is what they want they want to be
treated like a city not like a suburb of some other city and so okay
well then you've got to have things happening series also been
historically like the the butt of jokes for for cities around here
and this type of stuff might be able to help them shake that reputation
absolutely um Langley to cloverdale all around here
but they've got to have the right attitude they've got to have the right
attitude in order to make that work and it just seems like we have finally reached the level
where it's it's a stuff done it's a get or done attitude
instead of a follow the rules attitude like one of the things that we ran into
is that in an industrial zone you can have
recreation but not entertainment so you can actually get a temporary use
permit to do a bingo hall
but you can't play computer games and so that's one of those things and
yeah so the so that's one of those things that's like clearly an arbitrary
distinction icky yeah yeah someone somewhere in the
bingo gaming industry got that pushed through at some point
and and so i'm just kind of sitting here going
look uh there's a there's a charity event that um Yvonne and i participated in
where you can repel off of one of the towers in central city
that's cool yeah and so one of the things that if they
were if they were seeming like they were going to be kind of obstructionist one of the things that i was going to bring up was like look
clearly you guys can do things if if i can repel
down a tower in the middle of the city if they got a permit for that
then there's no way to play video games there's no way i can't play video games
in a badminton gym yeah right but i it didn't end up getting there
it didn't end up getting there because it seems like and this is such a relief
because uh poor Dan and shawn and actually Jake two and uh the smash
champs team and everyone has been working really hard to make these land
gaming events a possibility and for months now we've been
doing so with no solid indication that the city is going to yield and that
they're going to allow us to do it it's been like actually a lot of work
i live there now yeah i know the it team
yeah and the vast majority of what they're doing there there is some stuff
there that is specific to smash champs' functionality
but the reason it's so complicated the reason we have access control everywhere
the reason the wi-fi is crazy overbuilt the reason that we have fiber and power
running everywhere and all these terminations the reason we have so many
security cameras is because i'm not worried about a couple
couple hundred dollar rackets going missing i'm worried about
access control and dividing a group that has
two thousand dollar laptops from just random looky-loos that are there playing
badminton whatever else like it was designed for us to be able to run
these events without the cost and time of doing them in a non-specialty built
facility yeah so we've really thought about it from
the very beginning like how do we make this purpose built for land
gaming on this side without interfering with the regular business over here when we want to do these events and so
hopefully that's that helps at least in for now
i mean i i even i love it it's fun to build things
you know yeah but it's nice if people use them after you build them
i enjoy the act of building i don't care if it's seen or used by anybody
and it's very important to like that i actually believe this i don't i don't
just just for other people listening i don't think that i think i think there's
an additional benefit it always is nice but it's not to be
expected and if you're out there doing something for the validation from other people you should probably look into why you're
doing it that's fair that's fair yeah build something for the joy of building it won't it be nice if other people enjoy
it too yeah because it costs a hell of a lot of money
there's a lot of that crann pointed out uh only an hour left of luke time
that's not even true it's less than that because i have to be home by that time so uh i'm gonna jump in and can i do more topics can i do the defcon topic
yeah let's do the defcon topic i went to defcon and i didn't know what to expect
i've wanted to go to defcon since i was a wee lad um watching the
the like vods of defcon panels on like i i'm pretty sure i think i watched them
pre youtube even but i know i watched some of them on youtube back in the day
um i i'm pretty sure the reason why i think i watched them pre youtube is
because i have a bunch of them downloaded um like a lot of videos from defcon downloaded from back in the day nice
because i'm pretty sure i i got them off of you know
before youtube a lot of places you had to download video when it was on the internet so anyways um i always wanted to go
never really wanted to go to cons by myself and never really wanted to go to
defcon especially by myself because it's it's a it feels scary
so there's a lot of hackers there i went yeah quite a few this time i went
with uh fio and fio cto mark um and ed and not edzel here
edzel a different ed but i barely even ended up
seeing ed because of reasons that i'm gonna explain in a second
and while we were there we met up with thor and or pirate software and
and primogen and a group of other people uh
that are not as much of a fan of being named or having pictures of them or
anything like that so those guys are also super cool everyone
that i was hanging out with was we're just legends but i don't i'm
not going to name the other ones um what i expected we would do is you know
go to defcon and hang out at the show a bunch uh that didn't really happen
i can't even read no you're good i'm just um what what really happened at defcon
was we we showed up we went to the show floor for like i don't know a couple
hours and then we got an invite from thor pirate software to
join him in a hotel room where they're doing a a capture the flag like
challenge and i was like oh that sounds pretty cool so we went there
and all immediately became obsessed with this challenge called the
the gold bug puzzle um okay and this is what i ended up spending
the entire rest of the event doing no way i sat in this hotel room with a
bunch of hacker dudes on laptops and tried to solve puzzles
we were up until like six in the morning basically every day
trying to solve puzzles and then we won we won the gold bug challenge which was
amazing heck yeah uh i don't know how much uh it's
okay for me to say we uh they all think that i can but my
contribution is highly questionable compared to certain other people there
um but it was really cool and if you're interested
um you can actually kind of do it yourself still
so the puzzle's still live it's bbs.goldbug.cryptovillage.org
slash puzzles.html and you can find all the puzzles they're all right here
um the types of puzzles that they are this this was just this was so cool and
some of the people there i i felt incredibly dumb being in that room because the stuff that people were able to pull off was
was wild um but the one the main one that sniped me
was chess there's all these different names for these puzzles
etiquette chess uh charades pass the slipper whatnot
um when we started deciding like okay we're
pretty invested in this like mark mark theo and i um i started started to try to figure out what one can i try to contribute to
and i heard there was one named chess i was like okay i'm gonna work on that i click on the chess puzzle and this is all you get
there's this picture of this girl uh some text down at the bottom that reads
a horseman rides across breadcrumbs dropped by a child reduced by one in
file and then a chess game and you can play the chess game
um but like this is it the the solution for the puzzle
there's just like a text box and you have to type something into it
that's all that's all this is all you have you have to try to solve what this
puzzle is um i could go over all the things
that i tried i didn't even end up being the one who solved this but
i might have helped narrow it down i don't know that's questionable
i noticed right away that the knight moves around in a very specific pattern
this isn't a normal chess game if you don't interact with the knight
he just jumps around
the pattern of movement for the knight ends up being important to the solution
but i was thinking like reduced by one in file so i was mapping down the
the movement pattern of the knight and then the files are are alphabetical
and then if you look at like a grid of the spots on a chessboard they're all
letter number so i was reducing by one of each so you end up going down to the
left so i like mapped out the knight's movement going down into the left and
then i i started trying to like okay maybe the puzzle is solved when a
certain position on the board is met and this was an agreement that a bunch of people had is like that might be it so i was trying to like leave it says you
know breadcrumbs drop by a child so i tried like putting pawns
in the place that the knight was going to move to so it could take my pawns and
like all this other stuff none of that ended up being the case i'm not going to give the answer of how you solve it out but i i tried
everything i beat the ai i i beat the game that way i um
here let's go really quick where is it if i go into
here nope it's not that one oh i thought i clicked on script my bad take back
okay this will only take a second
so you can you can like reverse your moves
interesting okay so i figured out one thing that we figured out pretty quick
was you can make it start to play chess so it has logic for actually trying to
beat you um but there's only ways that you can even
there's only some ways you can do that so if you like heart oh
did i just break it no it's just i bet you a lot of people are loading this
right now um if you like hard charge down the board yeah and then just start taking stuff
it doesn't like react right away but it will react eventually this just
breaks the game you put their their king in check and it just
stops working yeah there's other ways that you can break the game where you can take over control of black non programmatically like you play
chess and you like confuse it in a certain way it'll do an illegal move and then because of the illegal move it passes the
turn order over so you start playing black and the ai starts playing white so like i thought maybe
okay maybe you're supposed to take over black and then win the game is black
like i tried all these different things it ends up not being that kind of type of stuff but we were working on these puzzles for
essentially the entire event and that was so cool everyone on the team that
we're on were super cool to work with it was it was very very fun it was very mentally satisfying getting the answers to
different puzzles that was a blast it wasn't even sort
of remotely what i was expecting defconn to be like cool but it was awesome um another thing that we did was
theo and i uh were a part of a tf2 hacking challenge
where you have your your team is comprised of two separate units
you have the players of tf2 yeah and then you have a hacking group
and both sides help each other and the score of each individual component of
your team contributes into one pool of points so like by winning tf2 rounds yeah you gain score and you gain like tokens
and the tokens can be spent to get hints for the hacking team
and as the hacking team captures flags effectively
they gain points that can be spent to give you like power-ups in tf2 like
crit bonus and all that type of stuff so yeah it's like
that was super fun okay really really cool event and then we come down to the
badge yeah okay which i don't know how well this is
gonna you want to jump to loot cam this is the badge for the event so you have
it hanging like this and if i left it here long enough it would go into badge
mode it's not in badge mode right now um but you can also flip it over
and it turns into effectively a game boy
there's there's a new raspberry pi launched on the same day of the first day
of defcon and it is in here so it has like a new launch
version of a raspberry pi it has a ton of features has an ir sensor
where you can like put your badges together and like transfer across
cool um as an sd card reader there's a bunch of
leds all throughout it that are all individually addressable
yeah so you can set up like color modes for your for your badge
if i try to get in here for a second oh it's upside down right because you have
to put it in like game boy mode um they made a game it's gonna be a little bit
hard to see yep but as this like scrolls through the
game will start and you you can like design your little hacker character
and then you set the date and time and you can go through the defcon convention
hall you start in your hotel room and then you go on the monorail
and then you end up at the defcon convention hall okay um and depending on the date and time the convention hall is like
different and there's npcs that you can go and talk to so yeah i'm setting the date here and time i'm picking my little hacker character
i'm trying to make sure the screen should see i'm in my little hotel room now
that's wild i can interact with how is this a badge for an event yeah
defcon is crazy so i go how many of these did they make on the monorail now
that is one thing i was going to let people know if they do decide to go to
defcon in the future i would pre-buy the badge
because you can buy your ticket at the door but it's not guaranteed that you
get one of these you might end up with a paper badge that's a thing every time
uh maybe not this exact level i've seen some past badges that weren't as cool
as this wow but they always have like pretty crazy badges okay um you can you can get into the menus
and like so on here i can change the led colors
so let me go to the right cat eye sure and i'm gonna make sure
there okay so i made it green but they're all individually addressable or you
can do all of them at once that is crazy this is the most i think this is
probably the most extra thing i have ever seen a lot of things at defcon are
pretty extra um there's yeah yeah
you can update the firmware on the battery mount i just hooked it in there
yeah yeah that part some people manually affixed it i haven't taken it apart
yet yeah okay um you can there's an sd card
so you can load other like roms for gameboy and you can actually play other
gameboy games because it's gameboy and later because why not people at the conference like this turned into you know how we we took the
activity of goldbug and that like became our defcon some people took the
activity of just the badge yeah there's tons of different
things that could consume your time and some people yeah went for the badge
and they they they put palmo s on it okay because apparently this is a
touchscreen no way i mean yeah i don't know if it
interacts with the gameboy game but but yeah you can you can do i or i saw
people using like a pen to interact with it but yeah
badges come with entrance fee yeah i think it's a $20
riser to to buy it like it's $20 more i think to buy the badge ahead of time
wow i just got a i got a photo for you in the game
cool yeah all right i got some kind of prize for knowing that the first defcon
was hosted at sands yeah so it's like it's like it's an
actual game you can save your progress you have inventory of all this stuff
um let me check my inventory i was in the inventory earlier
it's on the back whoop whoop uh oh well anyway uh i closed the game oh yeah
that's a that's another point is um everyone's scared everyone scared me
of like you know you can't bring your devices to the show floor because you'll get hacked and all that kind of stuff so i brought an old Android 12
non-updated phone just for laws and manually and and so did yeah so did fio
we didn't plan this ahead of time we just both brought old
not secure phones in an attempt he wants to do it for a video i just wanted to
do it of curiosity and then i was like hey i mean if we get it to work you can
use mine in a video you should have taken my phone that honestly would have been pretty funny um and we tried to connect to every
open wi-fi we possibly could with these old
unsecure phones just to like see what would happen yeah i'm assuming some
stuff happened no really yeah they have a like security through
everyone knows that everyone who's here is going to be bulletproof so don't
bother or like what about it like backwards like those would be
unsecured devices connecting if you do stuff to them they're going to do stuff
back maybe sandbox you no no no like luke would be
fishing backwards like wanting people to do stuff to my phone and i'll destroy
you maybe there's a probably a bunch of mind games oh yeah they had a wall of
like these people have been pwned at the event
and it was like basically for people being silly
they had some crazy wi-fi security thing where on the secure
network hosted by the convention itself you had to register your devices
officially so they could track like individual devices at that level you it
wasn't just free entry it wasn't just entry with a password
you like it was wall of sheep is that what it's called yeah
wall of sheep and it's like if you if you goof and get owned at the event
but yeah okay what what kaboom pow just said
ends up being i think ultimately it no one's gonna blow a zero day on you
right so you're like standard devices
like no one's gonna do something super sophisticated
at defcon right because what's the huge value there
but there is other things going on and people do get pwned and there is wi-fi
networks that are trying to capture you like i noticed uh a trick that people
were doing was they were trying to set up wi-fi networks that were open that
had the same ssids that you'd run into at like an airport and stuff like that
and devices were automatically connecting to it right but i don't think
they were actually doing things super malicious they were just trying to catch
you to get you on the wall of sheep got it okay like they it was a game
okay i think i don't know i'm sure i'm sure there's people that go to defcon
and do things that are bad yeah but like it it didn't seem like actually a huge
deal so if you're like really scared you know don't do silly things i would highly recommend if you go to the show floor
with a device manually turn off your wi-fi
so that just in case you've connected to open networks before and someone tries
to get you with the like naming a network as the same thing whatever
you're not going to automatically connect to it because your wi-fi is just off and you only go off to sell you the data yeah someone said and bluetooth yeah it's
a great idea just turn off things that are going to
automatically connect to networks but yeah it was tons of fun they even have
a section that's just for like kids to learn how to get into
security and and testing of different things which is really cool
they had a lock picking village where they had just like a chain link fence
with a ton of different locks attached to it and you could try out all these
different lock picks and and learn from other people there that would teach
you that's kind of cool it was actually a very
almost like wholesome positive event and i had a ton of fun
i'm definitely hearing you describe it i'm surprised that this was your first
time yeah i've always wanted to go yeah but no
one really wanted to go with me and then uh the you and i were both
thinking of going and thor was like no you guys are coming and it was like
well all right sounds good do they have social engineering seminars yes they do
how did you meet people i mean uh most everyone's there for the same reason i
guess right like yeah and most people that i met while i was there i was planning on meeting unless like thor who introduced us to that
that group of people that again i don't think they want to be named so i'm
gonna leave that out but um yeah it was it was it was really sick
can run doom yeah i'm not surprised people were talking at the event like
can it run doom and and the consensus of most people was
yes and it probably already does someone at the event probably made this
happen already yeah so i'm not surprised there was some
drama around the badge i don't know all of it
but i'm not super surprised because i think there was a huge amount of
contributors and to make something this complicated as
just the badge to an event
i don't know i'm not surprised there were some issues but yeah i don't know
all the drama stuff but if you want to look it up i as far as i know it's like pretty heavily documented on on reddit and
other places so you can go figure that out dragon two night in Floatplane
chat no that sound was my back cracking
they thought it was a fart oh no i'm just
um apple yeah apple is making payments more open
i it's not enough apple needs to do more
and it doesn't make up for all their past transgressions but i do
like the new i like the new apple i like the apple that is constantly
paranoid about being investigated for antitrust
because they're being investigated for antitrust in response to the european
commission's antitrust investigations apple is making a host of changes
surrounding payments and third-party apps apple is allowing developers
finally to offer nfc transactions in app using secure element that means users
can set their double-click side button shortcut to an app that isn't apple pay it also means that third-party apps can use contactless
transactions for things like hotel room keys or transit passes this is going to
be an absolute game changer and should have happened
years ago years so many years ago the fact that it's happening now
means that apple could have done it anytime they wanted they just decided they didn't want to the apis are open to developers in
select countries in the iOS 18.1 developer beta
to use these apis devs will need to enter a commercial agreement with apple and
pay the associated fees however and that's where the malicious compliance
comes in probably we'll see um apple has also changed their
rules surrounding showing pricing and promotions in apps
developers are now able to inform users of pricing information in the app and
they can make purchases directly from the location of their choosing be that another app store website etc by applying for an entitlement that
apple can approve or deny based on their terms and conditions however
should an app link to an external payment platform while using this
entitlement they will be subject to a store services fee explained by the
verge um blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
basically it's a fee uh in addition to that there's a five percent
initial acquisition fee that applies under the same terms so this is this is apple complying without
in good faith just dealing with the fact that this is not gonna last
you you are not you're it's not gonna it's not gonna keep lasting you guys
there was the whole drama this week this actually isn't in our isn't in our
notes but there was the whole drama this week where patreon is apparently going to be stuck paying the 30%
fee on everything that goes through patreon which compared to patreon's own
take no no um oh what are the details there
patreon is actually i think it's well they're offering the option for
unreasonable how they're dealing with it yeah is there they're offering the option for the creator to eat it
or for the creator to pass it on to the user i don't think patreon in any case
is eating it no i shouldn't say patreon is eating it that's incorrect
because patreon only takes eight percent of the gross so it wouldn't make any sense yeah i believe that's their cut
yeah but basically apple is demanding 30%
of patreon contributions which is ridiculous and we've talked extensively
in the past about how the Floatplane model which is very similar to the patreon model is completely untenable it gets
dunked if you take 30 with a 30 take we don't
have 30 for you to take from us it doesn't
it doesn't make any sense this is this is direct funding
for creators and so if you're taking if you're taking that kind of cut out of
it as a platform like like a device platform
it's not manageable yeah so some people are pointing out like other platforms
that people could use and stuff honestly i don't think there's a better way
that patreon could have handled this just subscribe online
through the web through the web yeah just subscribe through a web browser and i'm pretty i'm i don't have the patreon app on my
phone but i'm going to assume that if you subscribe through the web you can still access their stuff on mobile like just just do it that way
i think the the easiest way to do it is for creators that are offered this
option to pass it forward to the users and then
hopefully the users will see that and just go subscribe on the web
because i i don't think it's you know great for the creators to have to eat that percentage either so it is what it is
whoa what is this google's team pixel program
was changed to require that influencers be biased towards google
screenshots leaked from a member of google's team pixel
influencer program i've never even heard of this yeah
showing a google form requiring the user to agree
to preferential coverage for the pixel oh look at this
by opting into this program do you acknowledge that you are expected to
feature the google pixel device in place of any competitor mobile devices
please note that if it appears other brands are being preferred over the
pixel we will need to cease the relationship between the brand and the creator yes acknowledge our people this is interpreting this looks fake
almost well that's just a google form google no i know what i know what a
google form looks like i just mean like like this seems so
um this seems like something that you'd be too smart
to put in black and white you know like apple never says this outright but is
this like we've we've both never even heard of this is this something that
they're doing for reviewers i don't think so i don't think it's for it seems like a product placement agreement which wouldn't that make
sense i mean i feel like this is a very unpopular opinion it would help
prevent those really embarrassing uh i love my wobbly whatever exactly sent
from my iphone situations like i i don't think this is a reviewer thing
what is team pixel does anyone know what team pixel is i looked up team pixel
and i found a google blog article that doesn't make any sense at all
it's just about like hashtag team pixel and it's if you take photos
but i don't think this is it uh that seeds early units to influencers and
super fans to drum up interest as brand ambassadors
okay so these are not reviewers brand ambassadors it's not for reviewers this
is a totally different thing okay yeah if you're supposed to be a brand ambassador then you should probably you're a complete
idiot if you're gonna like show off show off an iphone
predator products more often than the brand that you're supposed to be the ambassador for um however okay i think it's the
change that people are are upset about okay because the program's previous
terms which listed no specific expectations
also said that member content should always be truthful accurate and
reflect your honest opinions and experiences what does it say now
um but i don't know that we have the entire survey necessarily we just have
that one question picture um it says now by opting into
this program do you acknowledge that you're expected to feature the google pixel device in place of any competitor mobile devices please note
that if it appears other brands are being preferred yeah again though if you're a brand ambassador that makes sense
um reviewers are joining team pixel as well
oh well i mean that's a huge problem yes that's like
obviously and objectively a huge problem uh yeah
i i've never even heard of the thing so i don't know that seems like a separate
problem though yeah either way google gave the following statement to Android
police team pixel is a distinct program separate from our press and creator
reviews programs the goal of team pixels to get pixel devices into the hands of content creators not press and tech reviewers
we missed the mark with this new language that appeared in the team pixel form yesterday and it has been removed okay okay
now why was the oh man how did this end up as that main news topic
the ftc says no to fake reviews they have now finalized their rules banning
fake reviews online after spending almost two years working on them
the full text is in the ftc statement but pc world has summarized the rules like
this no reviews or testimonials from people who
don't exist that's going to eliminate a lot of them
no buying reviews of any kind positive or negative i actually kind of love this
so this is great does this mean that programs um where you like get the thing on amazon and it comes with like uh
like a voucher and if you post a review they'll like give you something
like is that can that just go away now hopefully
um a lot of this like was this not already illegal
well apparently not even like you kind of remember the ftc is not necessarily
doesn't have necessarily much fangs depending on what the thing is and in
fact they've kind of been their powers kind of been eroded lately um which is if this is what they're up to
that's a really bad thing um for them to not be able to enforce this stuff i
don't know what enforcement's going to look like but here let's get through the rest of it um no reviews from company insiders
like yeah obviously no fake review sites
oh interesting how do we define that though that is very interesting because
we had that whole conversation around um air purifiers a while back
and how house fresh or whatever yeah yeah so house fresh to be clear is not the
fake one no they're cool house house fresh blog here hold on a second i'm gonna see if i can find it these guys
um yeah yeah here we go here we go here we go uh how google's killing
independent sites like ours and basically they talk about how
no one's ever tested any of these air purifiers
but these large media companies have enormous
seo capabilities and relationships that allow them to surface their
nonsense listicles above folks who are actually
testing aircute purifiers and dehumidifiers properly
um and it's like it's like a whole problem it's like it's a deep rabbit hole
but it's worth it to read that blog post because you'll be like oh my god i can't trust anything but hey at
least you'll at least you'll know that at least you'll know that
i mean i would say that something that sounds like a review from someone who's
never touched the product is a fake review completely personally i don't
know if that falls under this but should no review suppression
now that's interesting remember remember when logitech
was uh blocking reviews on the gcloud
if they were negative display reviews on your site
i don't know i mean look i haven't i haven't read this yet like as we don't
know we take a principled approach to our reviews on our site the only
things that we filter for are like harmful language hate speech
things things that are obvious and nothing to do with people's
critical feedback on the product uh-oh what no we're not having another cut
open the bottom of the backpack moment are we you screen all the reviews
personally don't you yeah yeah that's that's what you're paying that's Dan's
other job oh no no no look where you're exposed to say all you
did was disappear what do you mean look no i said look
protect me yeah yeah i got him uh Dan has never seen a review in his life
actually he doesn't even know what they are um i'm impartial
no we the the only thing that i'm worried about is with with no review
suppression is would you have to leave that stuff up
i certainly hope not i hope not as well um but that gets interesting because
like where is the how do you define
where the line is there i don't know but apparently the maximum
civil penalty is fifty one thousand seven hundred forty four dollars
per violation uh the last rule is no buying or selling
fake followers or fake views good then ricks in full plane chat says
yelp tries to extort business owners to have negative reviews buried oh dude
men um back when i was working in n c i x um i have no idea if this is
still the case or whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever
but what i can talk about is the experience we had then do you know reseller ratings dot com no oh okay well reseller ratings
dot com either is or was um like a third party review site like kind
of a like an independent um better business bureau type thing
and basically the only way that you could respond
to reviews was to pay an extortionate amount of money to them that's their
entire model is they collect negative reviews
and essentially use them as leverage to make you pay
to be able to make them go away um yeah so that was a whole that was a whole
thing that's rough yeah yeah uh i'm gonna have to
go in like a few minutes here fine be uncool
you know he hasn't played super checks with me in weeks months a little loser i could i could call back in if you want though
it's up to you yeah maybe i'm over you wow wow wow by yourself
uh oh this is cool uh steam os 3.6.9 beta notes
including included added support for extra
ROG ally keys valves lorenz yang confirms they've been working on ally
support with additional handhelds to come the steam deck twitter account
also announced official Windows support for the steam deck OLED
um at the apu audio wi-fi and bluetooth drivers were linked in the tweet
and drivers for the original lcd version are also available that's it there's nothing to really discuss here other than that's super cool
what is this battlefield thing here does anyone care about this the largest
field for battlefield i don't know i don't know anything
about it uh okay i'm gonna close that then i don't
think i care about that i haven't cared about battlefield in a long time i just keep releasing releasing worse and worse games
another long-running site comes to an end autoblog
is done after recently celebrating their 20th anniversary
uh employees were told the site had been sold off and september 13th will be
the final day for autoblog in its current form
this seems to have happened around the same time that game informer was abruptly shut down by game stop autoblog has been sold to arena group who
used to publish sports illustrated this is really interesting and actually
ties into that air purifier story that you guys should go look up house fresh
dot com uh and then the how google is killing
independent site lists like ours because you might ask yourself hey well if
they're acquiring autoblog why aren't they necessarily going to keep all the
employees like how are they going to publish articles these guys get into it how what these groups do is they buy recognized brands
uh media brands and then they just pump out ai
assisted garbage um based on never having actually tried anything
and um just kind of ride it into the ground and then they go find another one
pretty gross uh i don't know that arena group does that
oh here we go okay yep no yep okay arena group during their stint licensing the
sports illustrated name use the brand and at least one publication they own
the street to publish ai generated articles that were credited to fake
ai generated people sick
good job and that's it for our topic so um
it's after dark which means i guess you can go anytime you want or you can be
cool and hang out with us no i'm i have to i know i he has he actually has
something important to do i just i just like grinding his gears i'm breaking his balls grinding his balls in my gears wait
squeezing his i got a merch message here for luke
if you uh if you want cognitive behavioral torture
i've got a few minutes we can do it uh i miss watching your old streams on
classic wow i was like yeah why do you never stream anymore
i was the shammy that joined your guild is a Floatplane
do you plan on playing the war within i didn't have a guild called Floatplane
who did you play with no i think he joined as Floatplane
oh okay cool yeah um why did you say war with no i i'm not interested in new
wow stuff um got it in regards to game streaming in
general though uh my my roommate has moved out so
eventually where the computer we have to do some renovation stuff did your
roommate come get their stuff yet yeah nice it's finally gone it took like
months anyways that's fine um uh it's we need to do some renovation
things now that he's gone one of the reasons that we couldn't do them previously was because um we didn't want to burden people
with leaving our our birds at their place especially because
they die so incredibly easily and i don't want people to
are you starting to wonder if like your birds dying
is like uh don't even you can stop there that could that could end
immediately um anyways so but by having by having the roommate
i'm just saying he eats a lot of chicken next oh my god
um they they weigh 30 grams each and you know i think about how much that is
like feathers and you're watching your weight right oh my goodness um
Dan you know we're not funny right like we're not even a little bit funny
i think it's just bullying like i think this is just
it's just being mean at this point i think that's okay i'm sorry
you're not i'm eating humble pie
you're eating like smug pie
yeah you you hacked me well i'm gonna sell shirts about it
i don't even i'm just gonna give the money away no we're giving the money away
i'm eating a whole pie i have a member a member of staff and it's not my first time
anyways um yeah now that now that he's out we can like
seal off an area and work on it and have the birds separated from that area so
they don't get like dry dry well dust and yada yada yada
um so now we can finally do things that we've needed to do for a while
and then once that's done we're gonna move our desks into that other room
so now i can stream without being in the middle of the house
with the mic picking up anything that you do and if you want to move around
almost at all needing to go on camera um so it won't be like basically just rude
for me to stream um and then the plan is to start streaming again
but i also don't play as many games as i used to so it's not going to be as
frequent as it used to but i still want to stream sometimes yeah
yeah
looked purple i thought maybe i pulled a jackhorner
look go home we don't want you anymore yeah i think it is about that time
i don't know i'd like to see six maybe i should stream the end of it
maybe you should get to the end of it
yeah you leave you leave oh look you walk away oh there's no you still can
there's no recovering from that 98 percent of his body is covered in third degree burns
oh my goodness i would say i'll play it this weekend but it's probably not gonna happen
yeah i know i know it's not gonna happen all right it's me and Dan now lying to everyone
what's up Dan hi just waiting for you yeah i can call back in if you want some of you
you want what can i recall back in if you want some of you oh i mean you have to call back in to say bye oh yeah we can call them then
that's legally required yeah don't worry luke we've only got a handful of merch messages that
Dan curated he apparently replied to the rest of them what a what a guy what an absolute chad
yeah i'm talking about your keyboard yeah well yeah mad build it for me it's got silent keycaps
that keyboard man it it takes a pounding you know yeah like my self-esteem here
hey yo hey lld i love the d google video with the internet becoming more and more subscription
based and personal info farms is their way to make your own internet at home streaming chat wiki
etc i mean i've definitely heard of projects where people have backed up substantial portions of the
internet i mean archive.org is obviously an example of that and there'd be no reason that you couldn't
you couldn't host content locally and then configure um yeah it's it's it would be woefully
impractical for an individual but i know that there are i know that there are companies that do
some at least some significant caching of internet resources um Dan can you think of a practical
reason to do that like streaming no no you wouldn't be able to stream except to anyone and there'd
be like an intranet on that point it's not it's not the internet anymore um i i do know of some
like you know cities or countries that have those kinds of underground
internet and things like that but yeah it would be an internet but then wouldn't that just be
what the internet is as well you know just a smaller one i know that um a lot of isps have
clauses where you're not allowed to share your internet with your neighbors yeah but in this case
like it would be yeah you'd have to have um but somebody would need to have an entry point i know
that there's i think it's in cuba where they have like a usb stick almost streaming service
where everybody just yeah sneaker net yeah something like that yeah yeah there would be
there would definitely be limitations to something like this but absolutely it is it
is the kind of thing that could be built but the thing you gotta understand is if your issue is
everything being like subscription based there'd be a cost to you know hosting and distributing
all of this and and and so people would have to subscribe to your they would have to buy into
the system so it would be like we got to get your own point to point link and buy all these
servers and then all of a sudden you've just built another internet you've xkcd standards
standards dit and then you could brand it yeah exactly oh no you could sell it as an mlm if you
get four people on the network we'll move you up to gold tier and like and then you can have four
k movies can you try to be ever so slightly less full dystopia all the time it's it's the only thing
that lives in my mind is how much worse our society could be and every day i'm proved right
okay good job Dan what else do we have today also why am i sitting why am i sitting here the
only one on camera you you ruined all my stuff you i had i here i was like this there sorry now
Dan's on the show okay cool let's see what else do we have it looks like you uh you close that one
my bank blocks all international charges i asked them to unblock a subscription i was told they
unblock for three months because they unblock the entire country have you all seen any terrible
security oh dude one of my favorites is uh some of my information was compromised a while back
and i forget whether it was equifax or one of the other ones um but i had to sign up for credit
monitoring and basically i was blown away to discover that at the time i don't know if they
do now but at the time they didn't support two-factor authentication didn't support it i
literally was on the phone with customer service i linked them to a blog post from their own website
on the importance of two-factor authentication and i was like you guys don't have this how is this
even possible and they're like is there anything else i can help you with absolutely blew my mind
i think that's probably the worst one that i've ever seen given the industry that they're in
and given their company's obvious awareness of the importance of it
honestly i actually know i've got more the fact that social security numbers and the
equivalent here which is your sin number your social insurance number the fact that those
cannot be changed or can be changed but with a great deal of effort is mind blowing to me
especially given that we've known for so many years now for so many decades now
that they with the number of people and organizations that you have to give them out to just
to function as an adult they cannot be considered proprietary information that only you know
i i don't get it i don't i don't get that at all
hey dll why haven't we seen more cam2 in laptop since g uh j e d e c what would you call it jdc
jdc uh officialized it last year also you ever think one of the big GPU vendors would
ever try kind of cam implementation uh no gpus are never going back to
upgradeable memory there's um it's not in it it's not a conspiracy theory it's not an invention of
you know big pcb manufacturer that um you can run memory at higher interface speeds if you
bring it closer and closer and closer to the die and at the speeds that we're running at now
the shorter you can get those interconnects uh the the more the more the better the signaling is
and so that's the that's the main reason along with the fact that the vast majority of people
didn't take advantage of it that they moved away from upgradeable vram on gpus um it just it wasn't
practical anymore and so back to cam2 and laptops compared to soldering directly to the motherboard
it's even though it's no worse than sodium it's still worse than soldering directly to the board
from a thickness standpoint and even though the signaling makes up for the um the limitations of
sodium that have kept us from going beyond i think it's 5600 megatrends per second not a lot
at something like that and they've gone way beyond that in some laptop designs by moving the
moving the memory either onto the board or even onto the package like what apple's been doing
it's still not as good as being on the board right next to the CPU and GPU for that matter
um depending on the kind of memory i think you're talking about CPU memory so next to the CPU
or being right on the package so i don't know i don't know how much momentum cam2 is or isn't
going to gain i mean i know Lenovo has that one mobile workstation i'm hoping for the best
but um this this actually was a this was kind of a a controversial point back when we did our
what is it strict's point whatever Ryzen ai 300 review and i said that right now AMD does not have
support for uh for non-soldered memory and i i can't say anymore people people said look hey it
says on their site uh that they support it um no note okay i'll say i'll say this note that there
isn't a single laptop design that has so dim memory note that just note it that's all um can't
really say more i work is a drywall taper i'm wondering if Linus has any horror stories dealing
with drywallers at your job as a painter i've seen some bad drywall jobs and felt bad for you guys
love the show i mean every construction project that we've ever done
has had some really questionable drywall work done overall i think the vast majority of the
people we've ever worked with have been industrious and tidy at least as much as you can be when your
entire job is to put mud on things and create dust you know but it only takes sort of one careless
person to just kind of slop something together and go ah good enough i mean it's not like it's
my building uh to create problems um i'd say one of the funniest ones that i saw recently was in
the call me chris upgrades so you can actually i think it's in the last part where i or no oh
it's in the i think it's in the Floatplane exclusive where i go after the shoddy craftsmanship
of the of the drywalling at her place and just how bad her paint job is both because the paint job
is bad and because the drywalling under it is terrible at two for one a yeah hi guys given
how divisive some products can be are there any tech products that everyone seems to hate but
that you guys actually like what do you think Dan you got anything on this one i was trying to think
of something because i feel like it's going to be a cop out for me to just say ps portal again
and to be clear i don't actually like the ps portal i didn't buy one i don't even have a
playstation um but everyone seems to hate it and it was very clear to me as someone who really
liked the NVIDIA shield and as someone who likes game streaming in general that it um
um that it that it clearly had a use it clearly had uh had a target audience that um that would
be very passionate about it and people didn't really seem to people didn't really seem to agree
i don't know Dan you you got anything like what is it what does everyone what does everyone hate
i mean i liked vista which is yes yeah i'm gonna come over there yeah there we go
no uh the camera's backwards yeah there you go yeah exactly uh no i can't think of anything
that like everyone seems to hate seems like everybody like likes everything was the call
me chris collab three years ago no i was oh my god yeah i've nearly been here three years now
seriously oh god well okay next up uh anywho did you guys check into doing a collaboration
with edison motors you talked about trying after the hubble with that grant they didn't get under
unusual circumstances no it was only two years ago oh geez phaser killing me here okay cool um
um i think we might have something going but i don't want to promise anything because i'm not
the one dealing with it and i don't know all the details but i i think that they're super cool
and i think we're super cool with how super cool they are and we want to do something together
but i i don't know when i don't know when the plan is for that
uh ping pong greater than badminton what say you l ld i guess it's just ld
just want to hear your thoughts on table tennis table tennis sick uh i've been getting back into
it and it's good exercise it looks like so much fun to play it at a high level but for me um i just
there's no way that i could justify switching to it right now because the the the learning curve
um you could probably get more courts in in smash champs right well i mean sort of
it depends on the level people are playing at yeah then you see those high level games people
are running all over the place that's true that's extremely true like i know i no no no no like
mile yeah you could probably get the same amount of yeah i mean most people are basically like
standing right at the end of the table and called plinky plink plink plink plink right but um man no
i i i just for me to get enjoyment out of it i would need to play at the same kind of level
that i can play badminton at and for me to play table tennis at that level i'd have to play for
years or i could just spend those years playing badminton and having fun instead of sort of banging
my head against a brick wall learning curve in 2019 texas instrument tried banning assembly
coding from their calculators but reached a middle ground with coders after backlash from
WAN Show viewers what's your favorite time WAN Show caused a good change did i did i did i
know about this i don't know i don't know this is before my time there's there's no way this is a
thing i don't think this is a thing i don't think texas instruments even knows who we are uh texas
instruments might be in gaslet WAN Show assembly code what no there's no way
the does anyone does anyone know anything about this it says ti and calculators i assumed it
was texas instruments yeah no i was i mean yeah that's i i i don't think we i don't think we did
that um we definitely give some love love hugs from time to time i remember the time we brought
down the Noctua website but hey look if you guys know more than i do and and there's any information
about this that maybe you can get to us next week maybe we can look into that but i i don't know i
don't know okay uh hey Linus how much do you credit networking with your success as an entrepreneur
i help college students with networking and would love examples that you have to use as examples
i suck at networking i i have probably the smallest rolodex of anyone that i know of it who
sort of has a has a career like mine um i i literally don't even have contact information
anymore for people that i have literally collaborated with before like okay i just mentioned call me
chris i i don't have a functioning contact information for her that i know of anymore um i i totally
suck at like the relationship building side of things the the cold hard truth is i got into
making youtube videos not because i'm a people person but because i'm a computer person um
the rest of it all just happened accidentally i just liked tinkering with computers and stuff
um you are absolutely right to emphasize the importance of networking with your with your
students but i suck at it i think theo is an excellent example of networking done correctly
basically hey i know a guy you should talk to this other guy and then you just do that forever
and then everybody knows everybody and you're in the center of everybody's universe
yeah yeah i i don't i don't that's just it's a crazy skill that you that can be your entire
careers just doing that a big part of like my approach to the business has been we'll just
make sure our product is great and then it won't really matter like if i play the game and suck
up and whatever else i'll just hire somebody with networking skills to do you a business right well
i mean yeah right like that was that was that was kind of the plan with taren like he knows everybody
you know he knows me he's one of the few people that like i know but he has all those connections
like that that's his thing that's that's not my thing exactly support network is very important
hey Linus i'm very late but just checking in to see if you watch the c uh sef Stanley cup final
i know you're a conux guy when you watched hockey from a prior video did it give you joy to see
edmonton lose out not even a little um i mean edmonton even going into the start of the playoffs
i think edmonton had the most canadians on their roster out of any out of any team so like while
it you know obviously um wasn't great to watch them beat team sweden um no i was i was i was
actually rooting for edmonton the truth of it though is i don't really i see teams as businesses
so beyond just kind of the fun of being in the atmosphere where everyone's cheering for the same
business um you know let's go team aquilini uh i don't really i don't really care my investment
in is pretty low like i i tend to get more into the like the the the the story lines of like the
players themselves so like seeing um seeing paul marisse for example who was like coming up on
or was already like the winningest coach in nhl history who had never won a stanley cup or
something like that or whatever whatever the the kind of story was there like how many times he'd
gotten so close like i i was kind of able to appreciate it from that perspective even though
i was cheering for edmonton in the final i you know i didn't like seeing um i didn't like seeing
that team who you know worked really hard and who i'd followed more closely and sort of you
know built a weird parasocial connection with some of those players you know get beaten by the players
that i didn't really care about even as much but yeah at the end of the day like to me the the
jerseys they're just businesses these are just these are just emblems that are purchased by billionaire
business owners uh it's not very meaningful to me um whereas like you know uh some some of the
individual athletes i i can certainly get a lot more on board with um like here in vancouver
the sadeen twins are like local heroes not just for what they did on the ice but for all the
contributions that they've made to really meaningful causes for their reputation as being super
down to earth people um the fact that they've stuck around and continued to work at the
organization even though they could have just off back to sweden the second that their contract
was up as players um you know it seems cool you know it seems like they're their members of the
community as opposed to just hired guns who play hockey right so and last one i've got today oh and
a couple people have found the wan clip as well when we're talking about the ti 84 looks like it
was from june 18th 2020 um i know we both cone lemon and uh no yeah as well what what does this
have to do with the wancho this is someone else's uh this is someone else's video uh developer c e
concept okay wancho handle the situation better than ti yeah i i don't think this i i know about
the situation with ti but what i don't know is that ti acknowledged us or that we made any
difference in any way that that's what i don't that's what i have not seen any evidence of
okay whatever last uh magic merch message i forgot for you that
hope that this isn't rude but since you went and cancelled the marino t-shirt and m a Mac Address
mock neck got any recommendations for alternate brands of similar quality to you no actually um
hopefully we can bring back stuff like that more in the future but um
apparel sales has been a little rough this year especially with some of the the less boring
stuff anything other than t-shirts hoodies it's one of those funny things where i think we have
i think we have a really strong reputation among our buyers for creating quality products but
that doesn't necessarily mean how do i put this that it's easy for us to sell stuff that's a little
bit more a little bit more stylish um so it's something that we're really working on right
now trying to figure out you know what an identity is that we can build where we can take advantage
of our strength which is our attention to detail and our our uncompromising uh passion for making
high quality products but also the sometimes kind of basicness of of uh of our audience i mean the
reality of i'm one of you right like i i wear t-shirts i you know like jeans and you know like
i i get it um but there's tough business realities for us to for us to figure out um if we want to
do more more niche products like that yeah oh okay all right uh thanks for tuning in to the
WAN Show this week we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye
nice thanks luke oh Dan you're you're floating in the ocean and oh no i'm drowning in the volcano
oh no what would you say
luke you're drowning yeah okay bye
thanks luke he really does care oh luke is a real one for that
i ate way too much pie that was brutal i should not have done that