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If you wancho for so

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the really funny one is the the buildings built by Chinese

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builders in like white places because they'll be like missing

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four and 14 and 24 and 34 but they'll also be missing 13.

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the 42nd floor but it's actually it's like the 36th floor

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and then what's really funny is that like eventually when you get to the 40s they just give up and they use yeah I was gonna

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say why don't they just go to 50 yeah I wish that building had

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gone to 45 so I could have seen if they do 44 because like what

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are the rules then if you can't do 14 24 and 34 but you can do

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40 and 41 can you do 44 is it the second four that's why is it

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only the last number that matters superstitions are fun and to

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be clear I'm not singling out any particular culture here oh

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no they all have superstitions they're just all fun dude I used to have lucky shin pads when I played hockey yeah dog I

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don't know yeah they were lucky yeah I don't know they were lucky because they could touch your shins I'd like to touch

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your shins like that I'm not gonna go to that camera

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wait yet why is there an under under desk camera what do you

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mean dad float blame plus

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oh no damn plane

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dude man okay seriously if if if I was just a completely like

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evil pieces like do you know do you know what a move it would

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be to to like put a bunch of hidden cameras around our

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office and then like create a subscription service so that people could like log into them and stuff dude earlier than a

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year ago from now they probably could have gotten away with it too like how long do you think it would have taken us to

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notice before we had in for team if there was just like random devices on the network oh yeah I don't think you would have at

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all yeah 100 like nowadays we'd notice don't don't don't don't

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be pulling that yeah it's it's an extremely fast track way to

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get fired and also sued what a side hustle though right yeah

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yeah only planes dot com yeah I think you gotta find out about

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it really fast though because it would get out I don't know

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that I'm pretty confident get out I feel like there's some there's some deep dark corners there's some weird discords you

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know yeah there's some super weird discords dark web

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maybe it's just because Luke's already in them I might be yeah

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under the guise of infiltrating them dude I've I've so many

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fake discord accounts it's amazing it's incredible

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turns out not only can you have more than one discord

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application launched on your computer at a time but you can have any amount of permutation of browser logins as you want

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because of private browsing so you can just be a whole

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discord server you could totally make someone think that

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they're joining a community of people that is just you you

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have f***ing weird hobbies

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meanwhile I have one burner reddit account I'm like

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yeah discord bot ant farm

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it's amazing what you can do with the internet when you try

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luke manipulation tips hey man see what you just like send

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chicks to this discord that's all about how great luke is

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how good his chicken recipe is

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digital wingman wow he's so cool he made chicken for me one time

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I mean it doesn't have to be you could say positive things about

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yourself you don't have to be honest

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hey it was good my chicken he bleached my hair this one time you

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did a great job just don't provide any pictures

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oh man I let him bleach all my hair but I can't post that whoa

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whoa it's against discord terms yeah except I don't think it is I don't

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think it is

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okay finally

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discord named chicken and hot sauce he put a slit in my eye and it looked

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amazing I think I couldn't see it I was given

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improper tools I'm also if that was who I think it was you're not

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supposed to be here right now it's still technically working now it's just a

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no no that video is up on flow plane okay so everyone's seen it okay

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there's no way Elijah isn't in the chat though

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oh man what are we even talking about I guess I better get the dock open

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perpetual there it is perpetual we're in dock

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oh yeah oh password managers they're so convenient

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I love them is his new name gonna be slit so we'll have slick and slit

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we shouldn't call him slit no no I really don't think that's wise

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oh man it's limp wow wow that's I don't think that's

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worse but it feels worse I don't think it's objectively worse though

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crystal says I did my eyebrows slit with the same tool and it was fine

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you got roasted I don't know crystal you got roasted maybe wrong you got roasted

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when did Linus become a k-pop band member no dog I haven't had nearly enough

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plastic surgeries for that yet you see that guy it was like I want to

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look like Jimin from BTS or whatever wasn't that super old

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yeah okay yeah yeah yeah and they ended up just looking terrifying

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I feel like that's true every time there's been a few people that are like I want to

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look like this person and then they just look like a horror show yeah it's it's

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because it becomes uncanny I don't think I've seen any that look

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close enough to reach uncanny unholy maybe yeah

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pro tip do not get plastic surgery to look like someone else

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even if you succeed you've lost oh yeah oh yeah

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the guy who wanted to be the human candle oh my god

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oh it's the new bracelet oh yeah I got a new bracelet what's it say

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it says something right yeah dad yeah nice yeah face well and after the video

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earlier this week I'm waiting for all the people who like call me gay over it

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or whatever dude back to the old days yeah exactly you've got let's bring it back

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oh dad it's just like water but yeah yeah

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so then I'm gonna be ready we like yeah having sex with a woman

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and making a baby who makes you a bracelet of them

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sure my god do you love her

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we should have brought like sleeping bags pretended it was like a

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sleepover do you like some way oh my god you love your wife

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this guy man

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girls the feelings

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I don't know man there's just a subset of people that are just like

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I can't yeah yeah I just I just can't man I can't if you have enough time in your

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day to like care about someone else's

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get a hobby you need to get busy yeah and I mean that in every possible way

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that's rough go find something to do and go get laid

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that's a that's a yikes uh yeah

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all right let's do this thing oh shoot I didn't log into the dashboard

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that's fine I'm ready I'm ready to log into it

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we're logging so hard

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the youtube dashboard or merch the uh no neither of them oh oh oh man I'm not

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logging into anything oh crap oh man I still man I still think it's like

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tabl something tablary oh yeah what is it it's

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in ffp dot like I only need part of it I just think oh mm

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dot in front no it's not why is it not oh I'm I'm not you don't say it

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okay I have no RAM you know this okay yeah yeah I'm good okay

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feel so validated look it's a disability but also I get hyper focused

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sometimes it can be useful we share one

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wrinkle adhd is like the most the most like

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rpg game style like you gain a benefit but you have to take a negative

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all strength yeah it's so like I get hyper focused

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but sometimes I just I don't know I don't remember anything and can do

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nothing I keep saying that the void is real because I'm holding an object and then I'm not anymore

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and it's gone but then every once in a while turbo mode

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yeah you put in like a year's worth of work in a weekend or two

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it's a serious problem for me how big our office is

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because I will just never find anything yeah yeah

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all right let's do this thing what what is this

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uh is this is this good hmm I had to use this drop down I don't normally have

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to use this drop down it was on this and I set it to this and now there are

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things here but on this one there were no things here that's weird but you're on the right one the thing that you change it to is the

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correct one cool so I don't know I did good

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I'm sure like Jonathan or AJ we're doing something

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or that yeah I don't know

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okay are we doing this thing

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this is funny boxin buddha says first time I took

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Adderall I cried my brain was quiet for the first time and I realized this is

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how normal people feel

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oh that's great I've never tried Adderall but I was on Ritalin as a kid

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and dude I was basically a completely different person

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like completely different person I was like 10 and I was still like

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acutely aware that I was a completely different person maybe I was nine

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that's really wild actually yeah being acutely

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aware of practically anything of that type is a little wild

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well I'm precocious like that uh oops that's the wrong one

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okay dude I had to send some wires for Yvonne

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while she was away and like

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right after the twitter headache no no no no no but I mean I had to

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I had to like quadruple check oh yeah to make sure because when you send a

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wire wrong oh it's done it's like yeah it's

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bad yeah it's bad the fact that we still do things through

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wires is nice happened to a client of mine

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they sent a hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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to nothing somebody intercepted the wire in like the planning stage

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and when they were ready to purchase the machine they said okay ready for your

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payment somebody at the company I think

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oh wow yikes there was so many international like bodies involved

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oh yeah yeah like they follow it up and stuff they just like back

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I don't think so yeah which is always crazy

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yeah straight to China like if it's gonna be like all digital and stuff then like

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okay like it's digital like I just I don't I don't and the fact that

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the really bizarre one is the fact that they cost like 25

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35 $50 to send yeah it's like how much does it cost you

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my credit card I can I can charge back my credit card like what do you what are

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you even talking about I so you can handle the overhead there

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but you like can't handle it here it's like hey like that went to the wrong

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place you could do dispute resolution for like we

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especially because you can buy like hundred thousand dollar things on a credit card you know what I mean like what and I'm

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sure there's reasons I just don't care about them

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that's not my problem yeah it's just wild okay sorry sorry sorry I don't know

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a lot about wires I just know that it makes

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it it's difficult for me well they can be made of copper

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usually they stretch it because it's a uh what's the word starts with a t

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the the the pencil yeah no it's time to start the show

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yeah duck it's duck tile oh well that doesn't start with the

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duck tile but it's a t in it okay I've resumed the selected what about goose

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what is up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined up

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for you guys today yeah uh oh uh okay there's one bit of

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bad news we're gonna talk about this uh real estate dystopia

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very cool algorithmic pricing means uh cost of living

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basically go up but this time it's algorithmically

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I will be eating some humble pie today we got hacked earlier this week

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uh control of our twitter account was lost and it turned out

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it was my fault fortunately humble pie you get pie out of it

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is delicious yeah so we're gonna be talking about exactly what happened and

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I'm gonna be eating crow you know pie pie

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yeah not not crow but humble pie what else we got I wish def con it was super

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cool and we're gonna talk about that because it's like actually cool and interesting that's the badge yeah this badge is crazy it has a

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gameboy emulator on it super cool what else we got

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you know we were sitting here for 45 minutes

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google's team pixel program changed to require influencers to be biased towards

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google I didn't think you were gonna bring up your uh fishing I thought you're gonna avoid it so that was gonna be one of my topics

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no I'm not avoiding it I'm meeting it head on I encourage people

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to come out and talk about being exploited being hacked yeah and being

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open about it so the only thing that I can do to

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salvage any kind of scrap of pride at this point is practice what I preach

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and go into it completely kimono open here's everything that happened

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yeah all right so here comes the kimonos coming kimonos coming off

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band on twitch

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the show is brought to you today by Corsair

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squarespace bridge and of course our chair partner

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secret lab why don't we jump right into our headline topic for today which I

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forget what it is what was it again you getting fished

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Disney oh we didn't even have that as a headline topic right we got to jump

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right into that this is crazy this is not okay a 42-year-old woman died

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after an allergic reaction eating at a restaurant at disney world resorts disney

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springs in october 2023 she was highly allergic to dairy

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and nuts the restaurant was chosen because they

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advertise the accommodation of persons with food allergies as a

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top priority okay a lawsuit was then filed in february of 2024 by her husband

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for damages of more than $50,000 this was a wrongful death suit now okay that

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kind of makes sense because if you say hey like i'm allergic to this and

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they're like hey no problem we got you there are there is some fine print i

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think many menus will actually have a disclaimer where even if the server says

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hey like yeah sure there's no there's no nuts in that there's always the chance

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of these things at this chance of cross-contamination however um from the article that i read on this

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seemed to suggest so take this for what it is seemed to suggest that there was a

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substantial amount of what she was allergic to in the dish

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okay so this is where things go completely off the rails and is what

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pushed this to the top of our subreddit earlier this week

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disney filed a motion in may alleging that the husband okay so

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not not the woman who died the husband accepted a forced arbitration agreement

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when signing up for disney plus in 2019

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they also seem to be under the impression

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that they agreed to an arbitration clause when purchasing tickets to disney

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world the husband's legal team argues that the

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terms of use within another link on the agreement page

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when you sign up for disney plus and neither of these agreements were

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necessary they were never forced to read them to eat at the restaurant

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because get this you don't need to buy tickets

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in order to access disney springs

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this is wild oh yeah this reminds me of who was it

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dystopian as hell who who was it who uh hold on i'm gonna look it up

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i'm gonna look it up the soft drink hitman yep yep

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yep i'm gonna look it up i think it was coke um

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yeah yeah the coke the coke death squads

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okay where their defense their defense for this

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was not we didn't we didn't contract kill people that was not the defense the

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defense was here in the us you cannot pursue us for this

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because it happened outside of your jurisdiction yeah

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i mean i thought the whole eula thing was kind of settled

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where they're they're in a super enforceable where they're in a where they're in this gray area where like as long as everything

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makes sense within all of the other laws that exist for all the good reasons

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that they exist then yeah you are effectively agreeing not to use the

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i don't know um team viewer for terrorism or you know whatever

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else the case may be right like there there are certain things within an end

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user license agreement that do make sense because they're for the protection

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of intellectual property holders for the protection of the general public

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they're for the greater good and they're they're things that you would kind of expect however for me to agree not just to a forced

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arbitration clause over some issue that i had with the disney plus service

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because that i could see if somebody were to say for example

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watch some show on disney plus and they were to get inspired to shoot john

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lennon who knows right if if if lennon's

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if yoko ono okay we're getting a little off the rails here but if yoko ono

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comes after disney and goes okay you're liable for the shooting of my husband

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um i can't well wait because did she sign up for disney plus

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the point is if you're if you are a user of the service

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and the issue that you have with the service is related to the service then okay no problem

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but if oh man i'm trying to i'm trying to come up with a parallel here

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because this is mind-blowing okay i'm wondering i'm wondering what if it's like

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no let's take our company okay okay uh let's say for example that you sign up

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for Floatplane okay so that's our that's our video streaming

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service where you can get early access to some of our videos

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uh yeah including scrapyard wars uh you can also get extras for some of our

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videos including scrapyard wars i'm not

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saying you should sign up for Floatplane just saying it's got good stuff but let's say as part of our as part of our agreement you know we've got okay

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yeah there's a there's a forced arbitration clause because if for whatever reason um uh there's a billing error

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okay uh and you say i was i it put undue mental strain on me that uh i was

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double billed that one month because of administrative error

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and i'm seeking $50,000 in pain and suffering damages or whatever else

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we're we basically are going like look our entire agreement with you

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our entire agreement with you is over like tens of dollars

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um yeah uh we're this is going to go to arbitration we are we

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you you wave your ability to like make a

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file it super no not super but basically a nonsense lawsuit

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like i can understand that protection being in place i actually

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don't know that we have a forced arbitration clause do we

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do you even know i don't think so okay well anyway the point is the point is

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the point is let's say you sign up for Floatplane okay so and let's say we have this clause for you know maybe maybe some kind of reasonable reason

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but then you go to you go to LTX you go to a whale land

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okay and and we have we have a gigantic

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Elijah head that is suspended from the ceiling

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okay because we think that's funny as f*** for some reason i mean it would be

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right it would be like a giant Elijah head it would be pretty funny oh man what if you had a whack-a-mole game and it was

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Elijah wearing helmets thank you but this is very off

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topic yeah i like it though okay so we have an

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Elijah whack-a-mole game okay and you like hit yourself in the

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face with you get well no because that's on you you get stuck in the machine

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you get a staff an LTT staff uh tells you to go inside the machine

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and and you get you get Elijah whacked to death

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you get whacked okay that's pretty whack

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to imagine for so far off the rails like if you never

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if you never signed a liability release to to ride the Elijah

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whacker to wait this is starting to get a little weird um the point is that

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if you never signed a release we just do a direct thing you ate you ate food

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there whatever it doesn't matter the point is if you have if you never signed a specific release for that

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if you if you never consent it to anything to do

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what does your agreement even though it's the same organization it shouldn't

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actually it isn't because Floatplane is not even the same entity yeah it doesn't matter the point is this is this is

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insane yes this is completely insane yeah and

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honestly i think you and i've had this conversation we're like i remember talking to you about this and i was just like yeah

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you know what the legal system needs it needs like a like a common sense filter

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we've we've actually had so there's like an intervention layer

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that basically looks at something and goes hey proactively bs detector you know

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what maybe maybe the law doesn't account for this

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but we need to get some legislation fast-tracked to deal with this because

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this obviously makes no sense like this is such a bad faith argument

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that i don't know i don't know how disney's lawyers can sleep at night

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yeah yeah absolutely i mean we we've had a conversation when we were we were

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doing the legal agreements for flow plane and a couple other things that we have

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um we did have conversations because the external contractor legal team that we

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had handed us like the most legalese thing on the planet

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and i remember this was many years ago but i remember you and i looking at it and being like this just sucks because it's like impossible to tell what they're

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trying to say so we had to get them to do multiple rounds of like simple this down make it easier to understand

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and even then just to be completely honest ours isn't the best i've ever

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seen i've seen some that are like very easy to understand

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really really well laid out but you have to work with lawyers to get it there

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and they don't want to do that they want it to be difficult to understand

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because then it stands up legally like more which is annoying i hate that so

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there's a few things here so alt ochers in Floatplane chat says that's what

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judges are supposed to do but that's not actually true judges are in charge of

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sentencing and they can interpret the law but they don't get to

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look at the letter of the law and go i don't like that law it doesn't make any

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sense if there is a is a a basis if there's an argument

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that has a strong basis in law they can't ignore it

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right like that that's that's not the judge's role it's it's legislators who

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create laws judges just interpret them um and the process mr vaney says term says it covers

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any disputes with the Walt Disney Company and that may be true but what i'm

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saying is that that's crazy yeah um there is another point here

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and this is a really good one from papo daca that says

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disney doesn't run that restaurant either okay so i don't actually know if

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that's true but it's a really interesting point because here's my problem with that when you license your name

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you are you are you are collecting money you are you are collecting revenue

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for granting the trust that is associated with your name

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because otherwise the name being on the restaurant

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wouldn't have any value i'm eating at it because i trust

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boston pizza or subway or whatever here's a question on on that topic you

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just mentioned sub yeah subways a franchise system right so if you eat at

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subway and you get some i don't know crazy food poisoning thing or something that you could sue for let's just

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imagine there's something you could sure do you sue the franchise owner of that building or do you sue subway

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so what i i don't i don't know the specific answer for subway what i

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suspect is that there are various agreements depending on who you are

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franchising from and depending what exactly the agreement is there

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it also probably depends on exactly what happened if you followed if you followed process that was handed down to you

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by the i don't want to call it a parent company they're not a parent company

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by the brand by the brand owner company um and something went wrong anyway

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then i think that's kind of between you and them but it might end up being a

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chain of lawsuits or because subway is a bigger

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better known target with more money i could see how

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if someone did encounter uh you know get poisoned at that restaurant say for

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example i could see why they would go after the bigger more obvious target without necessarily even considering that

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they're also probably the better protected one from a legal standpoint

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because they probably deal with this kind of thing all the time but but my point is that you can't have it both ways

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you can't hide behind oh well i mean we weren't even running the restaurant

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but then also benefit from your name being put on you have to take a

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you have to take some responsibility for it i mean i remember having this

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conversation with a youtuber who famously got into the fast food

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business a couple of years ago where i basically said yeah i i don't know i

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good for you um but we've never done anything that you can ingest

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and the reason for that is that i am i'm deeply concerned i tend to be pretty

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conservative when it comes to business risk and liability

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um and i am deeply concerned that compared to almost anything else we do

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like a shirt or a or even water bottles actually i

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we talked about them a lot before we uh before we move forward with them yeah

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backpack you know what's the worst that can go

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wrong right um compared to anything we do

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something that someone ingests has well the maximum ceiling for what can go

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wrong it could it could kill them and even if i'm not

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liable even if i'm not found culpable for it

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because it's like a ghost kitchen or whatever

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do i want to do i want to think about that

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no i don't there's there's a lot of decisions we we've made actually

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including the the flow plane vpn thing yeah where it's like yeah we just don't

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really want to think about this problem at a certain point like we can we can do it we could have made some type of food product

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for sure sure there's even want to dude there's food products that i'd be

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pretty interested in making yeah like i think you know how much i love breakfast

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cereal i've i've recommended you make cereal multiple i know i know but like am i there's a lot of risk with it dude am i going to be on

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the factory floor yeah exactly am i going to know if there's toenail clippings in it the factory floor probably won't even be in this

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country yeah i mean realistically yeah i don't know i mean

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actually i don't know like green products there's a lot of green here no i think where like where it is uh where where the uh where does like general

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mills make cereal where where is general mills based out of

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headquarters in minneapolis all right yeah they make cheerios in north america

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okay yeah there you go maybe that's a thing yeah maybe maybe that's a thing

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maybe that's a thing because like i i can't imagine shipping like

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basically air and wheat yeah i just automatically assumed it's a product

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it's made somewhere yeah no we have a lot of reproduction but yeah we do we do

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so that kind of makes sense um anyway in summary i don't like it

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yeah yeah all right it's bad all right unsubscribe yeah

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well i mean you've already signed it yeah after you unsubscribe i don't think

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i don't think that helps i mean i still would anyways sure but i mean yeah you do whatever you want yeah

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yeah i mean do you really need to watch moulin that badly probably not

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there's this whole thing going on with disney right now where they're losing

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the like the war for kids attention like the main

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viewers of disney right now are millenials not kids really um and like if you if you look interesting is that why inside out two

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killed it maybe hold on think about it think about it

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riley in the film is what 13 i'm not sure i think she's 13 because she's going

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into high school she's either 12 or 13 we're getting there we're getting

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yeah we're getting there so if i am at the at the the

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leading edge of millenials i'm in my early 40s right now

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if i had kids at 28 which is was a more normal age back

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then because now people are just not at all and if they do it all it's like

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well into their 30s but if i had kids at 28 all of a sudden my kids are

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around riley's age dude is this just a bunch of millenials

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taking the young families to see it probably am i a textbook case luke did they case study me because i took my kids to see

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inside out too you're probably part of it uh they've apparently even been

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making certain changes to the parks to cater to millenials more

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because millenials without kids are currently the main demographic

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of people going to disney parks and actually spending considerable money

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while they're there because it's childless millenials that like

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can afford it because if you have kids in your millennial you probably can't afford anything so it's it's really interesting and

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like they're they're they're losing a lot of

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they're losing a lot of viewership to youtube effectively

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yeah i don't remember what her name is but there's some lady that does something

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on youtube that is getting like incredible amounts of views for like

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kid content sure someone probably who knows i don't know but

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like they're miss rachel yeah someone in chat immediately knew what i was

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talking about um but yeah miss rachel's her name

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and there's a bunch of other kids content that's just like exploding coca millen stuff like that disney is not super in the picture right now when

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it comes to kids content one day ago yeah yeah

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are you kidding me right now yeah this chick owns

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kids youtube content

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owns it 147 million views in four months what even is happening right now

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yeah yeah she's closing in on a billion views on this i find this

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interesting yeah like thumbnail logic stuff right she advertises the the time of the video as an element of her thumbnail

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uh-huh so like oh i want my kid to leave me alone for an hour

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for 35 minutes yeah that is 50 minutes hilarious 60 minutes 85 minutes

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one hour wow and it's just it's it's super safe

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um dude she collabed with sesame street yesterday

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are you kidding me

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you know what sleigh queen but she's killing it absolutely yeah all right

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like i don't know anything about her for all i know she eats babies um that's

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why she makes videos for them but sure i don't know her i'm not saying she does

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do that i'm just saying i don't know her all i know is that she's actually

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mind-bogglingly successful but she seems pretty beating disney seems pretty

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wholesome on the surface so uh yeah sleigh she's a teacher

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apparently yeah not anymore i mean still but i just i don't i just mean

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not like you know out of school anymore unless she like also still is she

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might yeah just because like she might just that's crazy i gotta tell you i don't really i don't really see i don't really see the

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i don't i can't tell the difference between like the the kids content that

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works and the kids content that doesn't work um but i'm yeah i'm sure she's doing great anyway

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point is uh as far as my understanding goes a oddly high percentage of miss

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rachel's success has been word of mouth

448
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,360
because all the parents are telling each other like my kid really likes this

449
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,560
one also i've like watched some of it it seems really safe

450
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,320
i've overheard conversations of parents telling other parents about miss rachel

451
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,080
and then what is she just like less annoying than blippy so maybe

452
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,920
win i don't know yeah i don't know anything about blippy but

453
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,920
someone in flow plane chat i have no idea if this is true someone in flow plane chat said the studio that owns blippy was sold for three billion dollars

454
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,440
wow it's a freaking wild dude okay

455
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:39,000
oh sick yeah

456
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,080
harlem shake plus blippy luke watch later i don't

457
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,480
i don't think we need it's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake

458
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,760
yeah man it's crazy because like sorry there's a there's a mashup that's

459
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:03,320
basically the best hold on a second did disney buy blippy

460
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,480
and was part of a three billion dollar acquisition by disney

461
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,680
oh disney bought it because they're trying to fight for kids

462
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,600
they're trying to get the kid viewership crazy

463
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,360
oh wait what they made 17 million and sold for three

464
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,040
billion oh man

465
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,520
i don't know what i don't bus part of a three billion dollar acquisition

466
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,840
by disney who knows fair enough all right anyway yeah man

467
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,840
i i remember back in the day like looking at some

468
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,080
like have you seen any of the weird like russian channels like russian like one of the biggest channels in the world

469
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,160
is like as far as i can tell just these russian kids that are being exploited

470
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,760
for views on youtube like it's probably like freaking wild and i'm not

471
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:55,160
saying that because they're russian i'm saying that because like there's a lot of kids that are exploited for views on youtube it's just a thing

472
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,680
yeah a hundred percent um yeah anyway i uh i remember looking at

473
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:07,800
stuff like that as i was sort of like going through like top channels by country and like i just see these just explosive view counts i'm sitting here

474
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:15,640
going dude we do so much work to reach like a million people

475
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,240
because just frankly not that many people care about how many platters are in a

476
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:27,880
hard drive or like whatever the sh** is we're talking about like yeah and i could i so i could just i could just i could sing songs i taught

477
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,840
swim lessons i teaching swim i think that's almost like

478
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,040
there's a fishy in the middle and he can't get out no he can't get out no he

479
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,120
can't get out don't eat the thermal paste dude i can even sing on tune

480
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,920
let's go subscribe to dude i i would watch it

481
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,280
you would get an amount of people that would subscribe and watch dude like so

482
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,920
many of these songs are just like um uh what's what's the term public domain

483
00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,680
and stuff like totally a lot of kids songs are dude whatever i could i could i could make up songs about surelock homes

484
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,760
who's also public domain okay probably not for kids

485
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:12,760
see this is why this is why i can't handle it i i think i i think i'd get bored i'm more arty in the nook

486
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,240
surelock homes in like the case of the the the stolen binky or something

487
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,960
oh my goodness it was in the power supply

488
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:27,560
mom opened it unfortunately mom isn't around anymore

489
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,800
the stories of hard times explaining difficult things i would not tune into

490
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,240
your channel good that's right um all right

491
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:43,800
anyway speaking of fishies in the middle oh this uh amazing i got fished

492
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,440
yeah basically i think the so okay earlier this week

493
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,920
actually i well man last weekend so almost almost an entire week ago

494
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,000
uh we were having a pool party at our place sorry

495
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,360
make his advertise said luke's channel is the one you get if you leave youtube on

496
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,720
autoplay

497
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:09,560
oh yeah that's way too real i'm an angel now and came back to earth as elsa

498
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,880
elsa's building a computer wait don't she beat spider man

499
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:20,440
i want to go home and start filming this immediately

500
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:26,120
okay sorry anyway we were having a pool party and i got an email

501
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,960
that basically was like someone logged into your twitter account from some ip

502
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,000
address in russia okay so i'm gonna i'm gonna interject as you go

503
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,320
through this yeah but you're referring to as russia is in fact

504
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,240
russia plus yeah exactly well or as i've taken to calling it russia plus

505
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,960
turkey russia plus you can't wait sorry

506
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,960
carry on uh so did you do all of this on your phone

507
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,040
so no okay so you got the alert and then you ran to your computer

508
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,080
i did okay okay and um basically it dropped me on a

509
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,080
page that was like hey reset your password and

510
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,080
it's one of those things where i like to think i like to think

511
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,640
that i am better than this for real i i like to think that i

512
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,600
i can do better than this i know better than to click a link in an email

513
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,560
you navigate to the site manually and reset your password that way

514
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,000
so this is the yeah so john hammond a uh he's a youtuber who does the hacking

515
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,000
and security content um i shared some of the details in the email with him and

516
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:36,520
then he did this like really sick deep dive yeah so i'm gonna kind of go along with your story with with breadcrumbs that john

517
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,960
hammond has so this is this is uh actually just the

518
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,320
screenshot from you so this is the email that was sent to Linus

519
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,440
it shows like the location being russia which for most people is going to

520
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:53,480
instantly click is like something is very wrong it says that uh this account has logged in and then there's a link to secure

521
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,400
your account now yep um and then when you clicked that link

522
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,680
it would have brought you here yeah here we go

523
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,680
yep right here yeah so that's how they got the password

524
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,680
and then once i entered it here's a quick question yeah when you entered it

525
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,840
did it say that it was wrong uh i don't think so

526
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,120
don't remember because when john hammond was poking through the site he found

527
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,480
that it will automatically tell you that you entered it wrong

528
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,360
because they can't actually check yeah so they tell you it's wrong so that if

529
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,880
you did actually enter it wrong you'll hopefully correct it

530
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:34,760
interesting they're just trying to gather as much info as that's possible that's possible but like the thing is i they caught me at exactly the wrong

531
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:41,960
moment and that's that's what i was that's what i was about to say because like i'd like to think that i'm better than this and smarter than this

532
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,840
but i had just lit the grill oh it was hot

533
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,160
i was supposed to go and get food to put on it

534
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,400
there was kind of no one else to to do that um

535
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:01,080
it was it was kind of Yvonne's event and and so i didn't want her to have to

536
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:06,280
to have to cook and so i was like i was russian

537
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,880
thanks um and i was like okay well i just need to get this

538
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,080
locked down nothing else matters other than just like getting it locked down i

539
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,080
don't ultimately i think part of it is i i don't really care

540
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,360
about the twitter account i think there's a combination of things going on so

541
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:28,040
so uh distracted time pressure from the barbeque yep

542
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,040
there's the don't care as much about the twitter account like i've had multiple

543
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:38,920
conversations in the last six months about just not bothering with it anymore yeah we don't get a ton of engagement there compared to um instagram compared

544
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,480
to tiktok um our social team has mostly been

545
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,880
redistributed within the company anyway because we're looking at it going

546
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,480
what does the roi hear exactly like tweets yeah

547
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,320
um and twitter's been a big part of that because it just it just doesn't move the

548
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,520
needle for us we can tweet about a new video and we'll get like

549
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,000
four referrals like okay why why are we even why are we even bothering with

550
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,720
this um so the the the last one which i think

551
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:14,600
you mentioned at one point in time publicly was that with the youtube hack there was some takeaways and one of the takeaways

552
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,960
was act quickly so i i think taking those

553
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,480
things combined it was a bit of a perfect storm sorry keep going yeah so so basically the next thing it prompted me for

554
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,120
was my uh my 2fa which if i thought about it

555
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,000
no i don't need my 2fa to reset my password because it should just go to

556
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,200
my email to reset my password so what started happening

557
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:43,080
was um at some point i i made it to my desktop i don't know if it was

558
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,200
immediately that one sec sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna timeline us a little bit

559
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,560
sure so this is the page um on your screen

560
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,600
sorry this is the page that you would have gotten after you entered it one

561
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:58,680
time um so maybe that is where i went to desktop then because i don't remember exactly like it was

562
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,920
happening really fast yeah um there's there's a cup okay

563
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:09,800
actually i'll go into ways that you could have figured out that it was wrong actually once we're done so this page comes up and then the two factor page

564
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,480
comes up yes uh i'll find that you keep talking

565
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,240
yeah so basically what i'm not going to get into too many details because that's

566
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:24,680
you can tell i'm fuzzy on it i was distracted and i was in the middle of something but what started to happen was i started to get real

567
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,440
password reset things that i was also doing

568
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,440
mixed in with some of the fake stuff yeah and that's where i got

569
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,400
really confused

570
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,120
because i would i would get i'd get a i'd get a real password reset email

571
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,200
but like it wouldn't work but then that's so confusing because

572
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,800
it was clearly still tied to my email by that because that real password reset

573
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,200
email was probably the hacker setting things over

574
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,120
but those emails are still going to you that makes sense i never really

575
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,360
thought about that so long story short i got

576
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,680
discompubulated and i guess it happens to me once every eight years

577
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,360
that's the last time i got fished wait wait no not eight years ago

578
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:13,960
no the last time the last time i got uh bamboozled into clicking something on

579
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:18,200
an email was the last time i lost control of the LTT channel

580
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,960
so that's really old no that's older than that's older than eight years ago

581
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,320
yeah hold on a second i'm going to find out when it was closer to like 12 or 13 in the meantime why don't you walk us through this

582
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,400
and all the ways that this really it this hurts right because

583
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,640
i know very well i know better if you sat me down and told me i'm going to give

584
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,920
you like a security test and you asked me hey if you get a

585
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:45,320
password reset email should you click the link i'd be like no yeah no you should navigate to the site manually i've even heard you say this

586
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:51,000
before just to back you up um so first off uh if you really want

587
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,120
like oh hold on a second while you're while you're hosting this part you're

588
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,640
going to eat humble pie i'm going to bring out a special treat

589
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:04,280
for the show this is my humble pie uh which was meant to be a surprise for

590
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,320
my co-host that i will be that i will be eating humble pie on the show

591
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:13,080
today well you announced it earlier but i also talked about it early on the show now so i'm gonna i'm gonna get this going a

592
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,680
because i deserve this um b because it's the right thing to do

593
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,920
um when something like this happens the best defense we have

594
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,400
is to own it publicly own it use it as a teachable moment

595
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,960
um so that hopefully someone else will avoid a similar attack

596
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,120
and uh reason number three because i'm actually really hungry

597
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,880
and i could really use some pie right now i've actually had kind of a hard

598
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,120
week nice nice um okay want some pie i assume

599
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:48,600
not but i should offer it Dan would you like some pie uh yeah sure i thought

600
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,960
you're gonna just eat the whole thing on WAN Show no yours doesn't have to be

601
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,960
humble yours can be just blueberry pie only mine's humble berry i mean i can

602
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,360
go leak the the twitter account again if you want then i'm gonna have some pie

603
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:05,000
no that would be a stupid pie malicious pie

604
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,360
three point one four i fired yeah two point one no uninsured employment

605
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:15,160
insurance pie yeah yeah uh if you want the the best

606
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,680
public breakdown of this there's a couple but if you want the best one i would

607
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,360
check out the the phishing website that hacked Linus tech tips

608
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,800
video from john hamid that he posted two days ago i'm not going to

609
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:31,720
play it for the stream because you should check that out what i will go through a little bit though is his twitter thread which is also a good

610
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,760
breakdown of events but not as good as his video his video has

611
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,720
extra little tidbits including a conversation that john haman had

612
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:44,200
with the person who did this to you oh nice that's included in the youtube

613
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:51,560
video so you should go check that out it's a really tell me it's a interesting conversation um john haman was was quite diplomatic about it i

614
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,520
think in in an attempt to try to get more information but didn't get a ton of information but there's an

615
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,760
interesting back and forth that happens including some like

616
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,960
it's it you should go watch it it's really good uh Dan

617
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:09,400
i um i went i fell just short of putting this in a blender

618
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,600
but i think they heated this up or something because it's falling apart

619
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,160
that's okay my mouth does that anyway here's your pie

620
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:22,680
it's not wrong thank you very much okay so i'm gonna go

621
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,000
somewhat through this twitter thread um this we can't see in this

622
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,840
screenshot but the the sender email or the the from

623
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:37,000
oh yeah totally wrong was like x-login.com or something

624
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,160
can i interrupt for a moment can i interject the email you're referring to

625
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:49,560
as xsomething.com is sorry i don't remember exactly when

626
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:55,000
it happened anymore but at some point in the interest of simplifying the ui

627
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:00,200
mobile mail clients stopped showing the email address by default there's a lot

628
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:07,320
of things about this when did this when did that happen because it was years ago and why yeah i don't know probably space savings like

629
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,840
condensing things um i remember thinking it was stupid back then

630
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:19,160
and i i own part of the stupidity i i hold on let me get my humble pie let

631
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,280
me get my humble pie i own part of the stupidity here

632
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,760
but can that not be a thing like why is that a thing

633
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,200
that would have definitely helped because i would have seen that it would

634
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,040
have been front and center hold on hold on i'm also going to get that

635
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,280
date for you um of the previous the the youtube one

636
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:45,480
from way back yeah the i literally think it was like 12 years ago or 13 years ago um but yeah fine okay all

637
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,080
right carry on carry on luke's laptop luke's laptop the from which isn't on

638
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,880
screen right now but the from was info at x-login check.com

639
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,920
so that's your first if you check that um that's your first flag that something's

640
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,600
going wrong there's a couple other things that are wrong with the email

641
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:10,360
but it's going to be really hard for you to be able to tell this is not an exact carbon copy of x's actual we noticed a login it's

642
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:16,280
pretty close but it is different um but if you highlight over this secure your

643
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,040
x account now um that's the next kind of

644
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,880
somewhat easy tell that this is wrong uh because

645
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,320
the link that went to you is this one this

646
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:35,080
u45827238.ct.sengrid.net and then it wasn't

647
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,920
uh an x.com domain so that's that's another giveaway

648
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,760
once we get to the website itself this page

649
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:49,720
uh there's a few things wrong with this page already

650
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:57,400
old password is a little bit weird um all these links at the bottom aren't

651
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,240
actually links that was a fun one that was figured out is that these don't go

652
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,360
anywhere they're just texts that you can highlight with your mouse they don't

653
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,880
they don't do anything and this like old password new password new

654
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,400
password is kind of a weird way of writing this out this is like kind of a

655
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,800
weird english way of doing this also some of the ui design just like doesn't

656
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,960
feel 100 right but it's not super obvious it's just

657
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,800
thanks for throwing that in for me it's just a little it's a little weird um

658
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:31,560
moving forward uh he like looks into the this is really interesting he looks

659
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,080
into the actual code figures out how things actually work finds the API

660
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,280
request different things like that finds that the comments are all in turkish

661
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,720
um does some more poking around where is the

662
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:49,640
login failed here it is okay here's the next one when your first login fails

663
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,720
every login that you do here is not real when it actually works it just

664
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:58,280
offboards you to x's actual website because it's like whatever we have

665
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,600
nothing to do with you anymore um but after the first time you put in your

666
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,960
data it's going to ask you to do it again and it's going to say that it's wrong at this point in time you've already given them your

667
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,480
information like you're i don't think you've given them your two

668
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,840
factor at this point but you're already kind of screwed things that stand out

669
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,520
here though even if this image loads i think the reason why this image didn't

670
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,960
load at the time was because the account was set to private so i think when

671
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,080
you get at the image would have loaded uh to be clear just didn't load for

672
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,840
john hamid this change password button actually going flush against this

673
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,840
bottom line is probably not something that um developers would have done

674
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:39,160
there but also look at things like this your old password is incorrect space comma space please double check it no

675
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:43,320
punctuation um nice little things like that can

676
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,680
can tip you off that something's going wrong i don't know if he has the

677
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:54,520
screenshots of it in this thread i know it's in the video but when it

678
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,320
asks for the two factor code yeah it it says two fact

679
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,600
um it doesn't uh yeah i don't think it's in here

680
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,520
dang interesting um but he he has it in the video

681
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,560
yeah but the the text for the two factor is like

682
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,000
pretty bad um because it just says like two fact and it's it's all

683
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,400
written oddly um but really like the easiest way to

684
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,520
get around this stuff and an an automatic default and you should apply

685
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,040
this to a lot of different scenarios not just potentially fishy emails

686
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,680
um is when you're warned about something like this like if your bank calls you

687
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,360
and they're like oh my goodness something terrible has happened

688
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,200
say tell me what number i can call you back at no

689
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:41,800
yeah and then you check it then you google the number you can check it if you want but you just google the number and call them anyways you don't you never

690
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,720
call the one that they tell you on the phone unless you google it and it matches perfectly matches yeah yeah

691
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:51,800
um or like oh sorry extension is what i would is what i would ask okay yeah

692
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,840
because you need to be able to get back in touch with the person obviously but

693
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,440
you don't don't talk to them yet yeah don't talk to them on the

694
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:04,920
phone you want to be the person who reached out and you want to be able to verify the contact that you're going to reach out to them at

695
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,040
through entirely your own methods don't listen to them telling you to google a

696
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,400
specific thing in order to find them don't don't do any of that stuff

697
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,240
find it completely on your own in this case what you do is it's oh there's a

698
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:18,840
weird breach with my x account close that email load up

699
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,760
x the app if you're on your phone or go to the x website directly yourself

700
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,040
so desktop and then reset it that way this is one of the things that really

701
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,600
screwed me here i'm not logged into that account

702
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:36,680
on any of my devices not a single one so sorry i want to i want to point this

703
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:43,000
out really quick someone in full plain chat said you don't even trust that the caller id is valid that is true it's you can absolutely fake caller id

704
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,000
don't trust it at all no matter what it is and then find another way to reach

705
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,360
back out so if i had been logged in to my twitter

706
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,680
account i would have just used the app to sign out all

707
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,120
other sessions yeah but i wasn't

708
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,000
yeah what what threw me off was that you had said

709
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,000
that you didn't click anything in the email so i didn't think i did i didn't

710
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:12,760
think it was phishing so i was trying to figure out like what the heck would have happened because from my perspective i'm trying to think

711
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,000
about like okay i mean the first thing everyone

712
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,040
assumes i'm at defcon was it me right but i can rule that out

713
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,400
pretty quick because nothing weird is happening to my stuff and if they got

714
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,440
into any of my things why would they go after the x account

715
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,640
it's like one of the least valuable things i have access to

716
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,480
there is so many bad things that could be done like that doesn't make any sense

717
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:41,320
to me i say okay so i rule that out pretty quick you say you didn't click on a link okay so i rule out phishing turns out it was

718
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:47,560
phishing but i rule out phishing at the time then i'm trying to figure out okay if they got into like our password manager

719
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,160
again why would they go after twitter or x or whatever

720
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,000
it's like it's it's oddly low value compared to the other things

721
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,760
that they were able to get if they had uh these other potential attack

722
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,920
vectors so i came down to assuming poor sammy

723
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,440
i came down to assuming that like sammy logged into the account

724
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:12,680
from a personal computer that was compromised or something because i was like that's really the only route i can think of

725
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:17,160
that would have worked for this and my brain is just completely on fire trying

726
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,560
to figure out like what the heck how did this happen

727
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,800
and then i think it was john hamann reached out and was like

728
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,280
hey it kind of looks like it's phishing and he pointed out a few reasons why

729
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,720
and then these are again things that wouldn't have been

730
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,840
super obvious in the moment but are ways that he was able to verify that it

731
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,720
was a phishing email later so one this Android thing is not an

732
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:48,280
Android version so that's interesting

733
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,480
yeah yeah yeah um

734
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,600
he also noticed when he did get emailed by them

735
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,880
that the Android version changed so he thinks it's just like a random number

736
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,720
or something not entirely sure and then if you look up

737
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,480
the x login account device email thing or

738
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,640
or make it happen somehow yeah it is a little bit different so he could he was

739
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,720
able to verify that it was a phishing email there so i looked back into it

740
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,080
and i had linea send me the email and then oh yeah oh okay

741
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,440
i realized before i even click send to you that i was done

742
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:29,800
i was like oh crap absolutely wrecked yeah someone said ask how many followers

743
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,640
does the linesec twitter account have they could just want exposure um

744
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:40,120
sure but again if they had any of these other methods why just take the x account if you had our password manager you could take the

745
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:47,320
x account you take the instagram account you take the youtube account and then hit all them at the same time like just taking the s account is pretty low

746
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:53,240
value if you have like actually breached

747
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,440
things that we have but if it's it makes sense that if food be a phishing

748
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:09,800
that's the the phishing topic nice be be vigilant watch yourselves

749
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:15,240
always vigilant yeah yep and check out john hammins video because it's

750
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,040
fantastic yep

751
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,280
all right apparently it's time for us to do some merge messages no it's not

752
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,800
it's not i don't know what it's what go up to the phishing topic at the very

753
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,680
top there's this

754
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:34,680
oh uh oh then announce oh yeah hey yeah oh yeah we have

755
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:40,280
do you want to want to go to the thing sure so uh

756
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,960
do i have to read all right you know what i can't no no no no no hold on let me

757
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,120
get some of the pie get some of the humble pie

758
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,360
eating the humble pie what better way to commemorate

759
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,360
Linus getting got than with a limited edition t-shirt

760
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,440
and hoodie these are print to order so um

761
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,520
yeah these are these are mock-ups of what the design will look like but you

762
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,000
guys know we do we do a great job of our merge um

763
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:15,240
got fish is it the whale land whale but without the jewelry

764
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,760
yeah which we know a whale is not a fish calm down

765
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,760
um yeah yeah designed by sarah these are a reminder

766
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,600
to always be vigilant about the emails you receive

767
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,160
clearly it can happen to the tech tippiest of us thank you for that team

768
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,720
but the best part is we are donating all of the profits from the shirt and

769
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:41,960
hoodie to the electronic frontier foundation a non-profit which defends internet civil liberties

770
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,120
that says luke should be able to talk more about the org since he picked it

771
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:51,240
they are now available at LMG.gg slash got fish

772
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:56,040
if you google eff uh you're probably not going to get the

773
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,760
the eff that we're talking about uh so electronic frontier foundation yeah so

774
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,680
look that up not the acronym um but yeah they they they

775
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,360
seem pretty cool to me i don't know a huge amount about them but they

776
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,920
they have like three different parts of their organization i don't remember

777
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,440
them exactly one of them is a legal base where they try to

778
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:23,400
jump in on certain trials and um help in whatever kind of way benefits civil

779
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,600
civil liberties for people because their biggest thing is i don't remember what

780
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,960
they call it but it's where they try to jump in on

781
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,840
cases where like precedent is being set cool and they try to make sure that the

782
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:40,680
right precedent is being set in these cases they also develop things so if i remember correctly correctly it's like

783
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:45,240
privacy badger or something is made by them which is cool

784
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,440
and there's there's other stuff that they do that's that's cool as well we

785
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:53,000
were trying to pick a like kind of somewhat hacker-centric

786
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,080
organization so thought this made sense cool yep

787
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:03,080
so we're we're gonna we're gonna turn this l into a w as best we can uh while

788
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,080
you're on the store this week we've actually got some pretty exciting new

789
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,240
products oh my goodness they've got a whole

790
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:16,680
they've got a whole thing for me okay so first of all scribe drivers

791
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,360
which i wish we'd called the write-off but hey the name is done the packaging

792
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,360
is printed uh we're going to the Linus camp scribe drivers

793
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:29,080
our pens that are made out of failed screwdriver shafts from our original

794
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,600
supplier that kind of jerked us around screwed us

795
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:38,120
over i think that's the word i was looking for uh they are not knurled enough for a screwdriver

796
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,200
but they are knurled enough for a wonderful little writing implement with

797
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:46,040
a cool uh bolt action uh pen action so you

798
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,040
guys can check that out we've got uh 10 000 in stock

799
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,120
which is a which is a lie uh because we actually have

800
01:03:54,120 --> 01:04:01,640
on yesterday before end of the workday we were already around 50 percent of that yeah i know uh hold on hold on hold on let me check

801
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,240
let me check so if you guys are wanting to get in on this shipment of scribe

802
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,400
driver you might want to move pretty fast because we've already sold through

803
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:15,000
6200 of them and we restocked them yesterday a little before noon i think

804
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:21,160
so cool um yeah go check it out it takes standard uh it takes

805
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,600
standard ink things from what are what are their names again

806
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:33,000
LMG.gg slash pen here you go uh where is it uh yeah parker g2 refills

807
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,240
these have been really popular reviewed really well uh from our first shipment

808
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,160
people are friggin loving this thing are you guys going to carry the refills

809
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,600
uh no i don't think so because people could just like

810
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:49,480
order them from amazon or wherever like uh

811
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,520
maybe maybe not i don't know and you can use whatever you want

812
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:57,080
yeah like that's the thing right i that was kind of the whole point is

813
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,840
we're not selling you a subscription for a pen we're just selling you a pen and

814
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,640
you can put whatever refills whatever color whatever whatever it is you like i'm just thinking if i if i want this pen

815
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,240
long term yeah i might buy the pen and some refills i know

816
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,840
thing but then we have to like find a supplier for refills

817
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,840
you're not you're not wrong i the team knows okay yeah yeah they're they're

818
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,280
working on it but either way you can get refills from wherever you want

819
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,760
cool um oh apparently we changed the print on the boxes from gloss black to white

820
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,880
to make it read a bit more easily anyway it's available

821
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,200
with a brass or stainless steel accent and uh

822
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:38,360
enjoy the bigger one is guys the laptop bag

823
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,640
the laptop bag is finally here have you actually been hands on with it yet

824
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,640
never genuinely not once which terrifies me because that's he always

825
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,080
uses this as a way for me to show it off and i don't know what i'm doing every

826
01:05:51,080 --> 01:06:00,200
time he's the worst vana ever yep and i kind of love it about it here it is full of stuff meet the off

827
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,920
site we're going to the loot cam okay here we go oh yeah

828
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,000
it's an off-site storage reference ha ha or off-site work

829
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,520
reference i mean i wasn't involved in the naming on this one at least it's

830
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,040
better than what we normally do which is which would have been

831
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:22,040
laptop bag yeah so you know what baby steps um baby steps

832
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:26,520
hey who we're going to loot cam uh even though it looks like one it is not a

833
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,440
sleeve it holds way more and already wants us to zip

834
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,040
the laptop pocket open which is the one on your left

835
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,280
the one by the the one by the little handle okay sorry i was inspecting the

836
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,120
zippers for a second okay so first you've got a laptop pocket it opens up

837
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,640
way deeper than that sir oh no that one doesn't no no

838
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:53,320
yeah don't the other one sorry sorry sorry sorry first you get the laptop pocket which is lined in micro suede and is divided into two sections

839
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:58,200
one where most laptops will fit and then the other is a snug pocket for smaller

840
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:03,160
laptops and devices okay he wants you to zip the laptop

841
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,480
pocket back up wow arty's got all these instructions and everything

842
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,520
direct instruction he knows both of you very well he works for creator

843
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:15,240
warehouse now uh our old uh social lead um okay

844
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,560
but then but then you unzip the primary storage compartment

845
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,640
no one can see what you're doing luke god just how do i even

846
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,320
unzip the primary storage compartment okay you got to unzip it all the way

847
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,560
and there's a pocket for just about all of your smaller electronics and

848
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:36,040
accessories dude this is crazy like the number of laptop

849
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,080
sleeves and stuff that don't have a place to hold a charger

850
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,440
is absolute madness to me that's the mouse pocket okay

851
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,640
it's the big one this one so you can hold a real charger

852
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,320
you can hold a real freaking charger anyway we're supposed to highlight the

853
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,640
laptop charger pocket the mouse pocket okay because like we

854
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,840
understand we understand and respect that you need to carry a mouse

855
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:02,040
we've got our cable loops um there's a micro suede tablet sleeve so you can

856
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:07,240
carry a tablet around with you as well and we even have a hidden air tag pocket

857
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,280
did you catch for the oh oh yeah i only knew that was there because he showed

858
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,480
me before the show nice but this thing which could hold

859
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,400
a scribe driver um you can like roll that away

860
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,080
and then fit it in in there best thing about it

861
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,840
is everything's in sight everything's easy to reach no rummaging around inside

862
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,280
your bag and then there's a smaller pocket at the front

863
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:32,360
it was just a lot bigger of a book than i expected heck yeah uh there's a smaller

864
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:37,000
pocket at the front you can close it um for like your passport or wallet or

865
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,520
any other small objects oh whoa there's individual little

866
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:46,840
sleevey things in here as well yeah heck yeah heck yeah so i've seen a lot of people commenting that it's really expensive

867
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,800
i was like yes do you know how much those ykk zippers cost

868
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,320
do you know how much all these pockets and all of this construction costs i

869
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,600
don't i don't make the rules um it's one of those conversations we've had a

870
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:04,920
lot of times expensive versus overpriced yes it's expensive no it's not overpriced um all right let's go back to the

871
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:11,480
loot cam you also have another pocket in the back here that magnetically opens and closes so that that pocket that that was in is

872
01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:14,680
magnetic which is kind of nice because it just will hold it closed

873
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:18,120
and pulls out the shoulder strap so this has a wide padding that's

874
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:24,840
very similar to the straps that you'd find on the LTT backpack and it secures onto the laptop bag with two locking carabiners

875
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,440
if you're not into that it is completely detachable

876
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:32,200
available in two sizes small and large for 99.99 check out which one your

877
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:36,760
laptop fits through the size guide LMG.gg slash laptop bag yeah so if you

878
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,600
were tossing this in like another bag or just wanted to carry it by the carry

879
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,520
handle that i don't know if we mentioned you could take this thing off with the

880
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,920
locking carabiners and then repurpose this back sleeve for whatever else i

881
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,160
guess yep um considering that they're not

882
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,760
shipping yet so they're expected to start shipping by the end of this month

883
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,680
these are actually moving pretty well i'm very very excited

884
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:08,280
it's a luggage strap yes oh yeah cool right yeah it's a pretty featured laptop

885
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:13,960
bag it's like the a lot of people saw our backpack

886
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,600
and we're like who the heck is this for and then the tens of thousands of people

887
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,840
who know what it's for bought it and loved it this is like the same kind of deal

888
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,040
it's the same kind of deal it's the laptop bag for people who have actual

889
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,960
like fucking work to do and have stuff they need to carry

890
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:34,120
you know like she's she's kind of thick when she's loaded up actually if you

891
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,480
kind of show that's that's with a laptop and a tablet and the chargers

892
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:40,920
and the mouse and the books and and the shoulder strap and everything like it's

893
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,760
not harry potter technology but it can get relatively thin yeah

894
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,680
things things take up space but it's uh it's designed to be able to fit stuff

895
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,840
very very very very excited to be launching this one

896
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,520
uh webbing on the sides um i don't think you would call it webbing but

897
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:02,360
they're like loops there's loops here yep so and right here there's another

898
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,880
loop it's currently being used for the the um luggage strap but this

899
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,920
luggage strap is velcro on yeah you could remove it if you weren't

900
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,520
going to use that feature cool right and then it's the same two loop on the

901
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,960
other side so if we ever have accessories they might attach to the loops

902
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,560
there or or or you could just hang cute

903
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:25,880
little you know crystals or figurines off of it i don't care i suspect that'll be the most common use yeah oh yeah oh yeah

904
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:30,680
oh yeah but cool what is the max size of laptop we have a size guide on the site

905
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:35,400
cool yeah go check it out um i wanted so badly for it to fit the framework 16

906
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:40,200
with the GPU hump but it's the weirdest shaped laptop ever

907
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:44,280
and i was like sorry framework i love you guys very much but it's not going to

908
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:49,480
fit in our laptop bag yeah yep i know guys i know

909
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:52,760
believe it or not my investment in framework

910
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,440
does not actually guide the decisions we make as a company

911
01:11:56,440 --> 01:12:02,120
if it did that would be a big problem yeah

912
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:07,480
um all right what else we got we want to talk about oh oh we're supposed to

913
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:12,120
explain merge messages all right so yeah if you were going to order something hey now's the perfect time to leave a merge message

914
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,440
don't do super chats don't do twitch bits do merge messages because that way

915
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:19,800
you can throw money at your screen you can interact and interact with us and

916
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:26,440
support the show and you can also get great products in the mail so all you got to do is go to lttstore.com

917
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:29,880
and in the cart you'll see a little box that gives you the option to fill out a

918
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:36,120
merge message it'll go to producer Dan hey look there he is wow he's real i mean this could be pre-recorded

919
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,960
Dan prove it's not pre-recorded

920
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:45,960
see if i leave this long enough a loop it actually is pre-recorded

921
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:52,040
no i can't uh so it'll go to producer Dan who will reply to

922
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:56,040
himself forward it internally uh pop up your message down there like that or

923
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,160
well that's his message what are you what are you trying to who you're playing

924
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:03,080
too thick what are you even talking about

925
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,800
anyway uh or they probably liked it or he'll send it to me and luke

926
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,000
for uh as a curated merge message and we'll talk about it on the show what

927
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,440
do we got mr Dan oh well we have loads of merge messages

928
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:18,200
coming in today we've had so many people buy pens

929
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,400
oh it's pens it's pens there's a lot of pens

930
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:27,640
we've done how many how many though luke how many though

931
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,760
do you know how many pens yeah just here hold up your ARM and i'll write how

932
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,040
many there are okay use the pen okay there we go

933
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:41,800
where do you where do you want you want it inside yeah okay

934
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:47,240
oh no i know what's happening i've just embraced it at this point

935
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:51,720
luke you were moron

936
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:56,120
i mean i got fair but at least i didn't pull for that i only got it when you

937
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,480
started writing on his head i was like what does he mean how

938
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:04,920
many slide oh man okay

939
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,920
honestly what the second you can at least tell the people yeah

940
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:16,280
that many pens 15 15 pens 15 pens the second the second he started

941
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,600
rails like i just it's happening now there's no point

942
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,440
what's the first line is there like it's better than just embracing yeah

943
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:28,680
yeah exactly you know i actually feel a little

944
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:35,640
better are you sure you wouldn't like some humble pie it wrote no i'm good i i deserve it but i i yeah

945
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:40,040
it wrote pretty well for a pen on on yeah it comes with a quality refill out of

946
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:45,160
the box um but then you can put in anything you want after you put in a crappy one if you really want

947
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,240
uh if we ever do a promo on the pen it should totally

948
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:54,520
pen 15 15

949
01:14:54,760 --> 01:15:00,680
uh all right uh yeah so we are probably gonna do a pen company now

950
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,760
i know right like what the heck dude i don't even understand what even kind of

951
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:09,080
what what even kind of company are we do you know how many of those ppm 79 50

952
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,680
thermal pads we sell probably a ton on a random day

953
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:19,160
like earlier this week we didn't have any promos running we didn't have any product launches or anything we sold a hundred units of that just like do you

954
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,440
think it could be like builders in one day

955
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,280
yeah like so what i'm saying is like are there single orders of a bunch of them

956
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:31,880
oh that i don't know because that would be interesting to me because i know they can just be like really annoying to get you know what

957
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,960
our timing was great because even though it took us forever from the video we

958
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,280
made about it to getting it in stock uh there was a recent article on i think

959
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,320
it was igor's lab where he was breaking down like bad thermal

960
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,360
paste that uh GPU manufacturers have been using

961
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:51,640
and then he used ppm 79 50 or maybe it was a separate article about ppm 79 50

962
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,400
hold on i'm just gonna bring it up uh

963
01:15:55,400 --> 01:16:00,280
yeah 79 50 either way he's been he's been talking about it

964
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:07,240
there you go not so overhyped um they are they are freaking awesome so

965
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:11,480
it's been like in the news and being discussed

966
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:15,160
a lot especially lately and as far as i can tell

967
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,560
we're like no one ever mentions us for some reason which is weird but

968
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,400
when people go looking for it we are like the go to

969
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:28,840
for reasonably priced well packaged ppm 79 50 um

970
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,680
someone in chat said i bought seven of the smaller pads when they were on sale

971
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,760
there you go yeah but i'm just wondering if there's

972
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,880
if there's like actual professional builders that are just getting it from

973
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:46,760
there like all right because i don't know maybe they buy much larger sheets combat jam says for the ppm there's a

974
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:51,000
cooling dude on youtube who does consoles and stuff who talked about your ppm

975
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:56,920
and how it's just easier to get and you know it's the right stuff without going through china like that was my big problem when we were trying to get it

976
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,360
to make our video finding a reputable a reputable

977
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,360
source for it was a nightmare and i was like this is just this is stupid

978
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:08,040
because this is a quality product from a brand that everybody knows if you've

979
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:12,040
never heard of honeywell like you've been probably living under a freaking

980
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,800
fridge that was made by them like it's like they're just one of those companies

981
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:20,120
that makes everything right and it seemed so ridiculous to me

982
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:24,680
that counterfeits existed of a stupid thermal pad

983
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,920
and that not only did they exist but they were so convincing

984
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:34,680
while not having the performance characteristics that it was almost impossible to determine which one was good and which one was bad

985
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:40,200
and i was like okay well we just need to get in touch with honeywell which by the way is a lot harder than you would think

986
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:49,000
like honeywell does not care about your $50,000 order of thermal pad

987
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,320
zero this is the number of f's that they give about our business but

988
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:57,160
fortunately it was i believe it was a connection through a viewer

989
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:01,000
who worked for a distributor who was able to get in touch

990
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,360
with honeywell so that that was how we were ultimately able to get

991
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:10,760
definitely absolutely PTM7950 actually real yeah and uh yeah super cool

992
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,440
so what kind of company are we are we a thermal pad company

993
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:19,800
we sell 100 thermal pads a day luke you sell pads and shafts that's all you

994
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,680
sell a day

995
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:27,240
you're a weird person i'm not the one who said that

996
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:31,240
you're the weird person it's true

997
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:36,200
you know flatten around that's two things you sell clothes and

998
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:43,960
only two shapes two shapes two shapes flatter round flatter round lumpy okay less than a hundred a day less than a hundred a

999
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:49,080
day in the last seven days uh 572

1000
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,120
is this is this seven days yeah is this seven days

1001
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,120
why what just some of these things there's just a lot of them

1002
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:04,040
dude LTT stores are real business yeah yeah wow i know right it messes me up

1003
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:10,440
every time i look into it the fact that at one point time we were a water bottle company and there's no water bottle up there

1004
01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:13,480
oh yeah there's one well most of our water bottles are out of stock it's a

1005
01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:17,880
long story but oh yeah that's part of it um and then we were we i think we were

1006
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,400
a water bottle water bottle company and then we were a mouse pad company

1007
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,600
yeah and then overnight we became a screwdriver company

1008
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,040
and also a backpack company like i had a very similar time they launched

1009
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,720
almost at the same time man i still can't looking back

1010
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:36,680
that was stupid i ordered a hundred thousand seventy

1011
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,960
dollar screwdriver what the f*** was i thinking

1012
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:45,480
i mean it worked out i know but it was crazy yeah

1013
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:49,480
that one to be fair that one had a lot of like lore behind it

1014
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:52,840
sure but logo for the channel and like all this kind of stuff what if it wasn't

1015
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,040
good yeah what if project farm had reviewed it and been like yeah it's a

1016
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,640
piece of that was like the the number of people that

1017
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:05,640
i've seen you know criticizing the price or whatever it's like yeah criticize it all you want but the reality of it is to make a high quality

1018
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,160
product like that with licensed patents from companies that develop

1019
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,920
products that you could patent stuff like it it's not like it's cheap it's not

1020
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,640
like i could just turn around and and liquidate them for ten dollars

1021
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:24,920
no it's it's just an expensive screwdriver and i'm sorry that's just the way it works um so if project farm had been like

1022
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,160
yeah it's rubbish that would have been it i would have been done

1023
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,280
what's what's this video i had no oh i don't know

1024
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:40,280
i haven't looked at it the last time i looked at it which was quite a while ago it was cooking um see

1025
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:44,520
4.1 million he's got a million on the stubby

1026
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:50,120
dude that's wild if you're wondering why these aren't

1027
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:54,040
watched uh it's just because we're on like the wan the wan accounts that's

1028
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:59,240
crazy uh no that's not even that's not even oh no i use my this isn't my

1029
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,360
personal i use my personal to watch youtube because i have premium

1030
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:08,200
um yeah and like look like he's not the only

1031
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:15,080
opinion that matters obviously but he is an influencer in the truest sense of

1032
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:19,080
the word yeah where he influences yeah i feel

1033
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:24,440
like he probably wouldn't love that um but i don't because of the i don't

1034
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:27,640
mean it in the derogatory sense yeah because the association that it has

1035
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:36,440
with things but i understand what you're saying and i do i mean he's someone who other people go to for the advice they give to

1036
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:39,880
anyone i knew that is that is influence with a capital

1037
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:44,440
i yeah and so he was terrifying i knew about project farm from

1038
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:49,480
from years before he he reviewed the screwdriver um

1039
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:53,320
i i i don't remember why i think i found like a video that he did on jeans or

1040
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,560
something yeah sure i don't i don't remember what it was

1041
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:02,440
but yeah as crazy guy guy covers like everything counterfeit tool

1042
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:07,560
batteries like knife sets i'm just looking through what he's done lately i haven't checked out the channel in a little while

1043
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,680
like the best trash bags like yeah i need to know that yeah why not i should

1044
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,600
probably watch that one i need to know what's a good trash bag

1045
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:21,400
how else how else will i throw away my trash effectively i mean who who likes garbage juice who likes garbage juice getting all over

1046
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:28,120
your floor i hate that i hate that it sucks doing the apartment building all the time it's gross yeah so so i don't mean any disrespect when i say

1047
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:32,200
influencer i mean one who is influential he has influenced me

1048
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,960
yeah um so yeah that was that was pretty scary have

1049
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,400
have we really spent all this time yick yacking without actually doing a merge

1050
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,760
message Dan Dan can you confirm i uh yeah the

1051
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,200
longer that i'm not doing merge messages the more merge messages there are so

1052
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:53,800
i'm not really too bothered to be perfectly honest cool good chat goodbye can we do a merge message though i was going to say

1053
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,920
i actually do need to do one more yeah let's do like a couple i think

1054
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:02,600
okay hi dll i work at work i use an identity vetted email service it has

1055
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,040
zero spam mainly because of the vetting process would you consider

1056
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:10,520
identity vetting if it meant an end to cheating NVIDIA games

1057
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:16,920
oh oh wow that was not where i was expecting either

1058
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,680
i think at a certain

1059
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:25,480
like you know they have like casual ranked if they have like casual ranked

1060
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:29,640
competitive and competitive had like identity vetting

1061
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,480
i think i'd be cool with it i would do it no question

1062
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,480
i had someone actually email me after the phishing yeah yeah i was i was

1063
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:41,400
gesturing with my head if you didn't still read it nice

1064
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,360
it's just tuning in now

1065
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,840
he's an enthusiast it's his new tattoo they got it from Linus

1066
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:53,800
it was a gift oh man he got it 15 times

1067
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:57,480
hey oh yeah hey yo um

1068
01:23:57,480 --> 01:24:01,720
anyway i had i had someone reach out to me um

1069
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,560
looking numbers they're like a security they're like a security researcher

1070
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:09,560
they do security solutions um yeah basically they were like

1071
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,920
hey yeah so here's all the here's all the stuff

1072
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,080
that i was able to dig up on you uh you know do you want to know

1073
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:21,320
do you want to know more about this and here's some potential insights and

1074
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:25,000
um you know here here you can have a look at you know here's a here's a device

1075
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:29,320
you used in 2019 and uh here's apps that that you've

1076
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:33,480
installed and here's this and here's that and i'm just like

1077
01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:37,800
thanks all of that's public you can probably find more info on me on rocket

1078
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:45,480
reach if you really want it my privacy is dead and he's like no it's not dead it's not dead it's not dead i'm just like

1079
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,800
it definitely is though uh oh dude dude it's so dead

1080
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,480
it's so dead man like it's dead it's been dead for a while

1081
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:57,960
it's been dead for a long time i mean i have lived so much of my life

1082
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,960
on the internet at this point like

1083
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,480
every once in a while i think about it um someone will talk about like

1084
01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:09,800
og you know youtubers or whatever that are still active

1085
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,480
dude it is getting to the point where there aren't

1086
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:17,320
that many genuinely from like very small

1087
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,160
my era i was at i was at defconn over the weekend and one of the things that

1088
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:27,800
happened was some people that we were hanging out with didn't know like who i was so i would explain

1089
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,480
uh and they'd be like oh cool like when did you guys start that

1090
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:35,240
and i'd say the era they would just be like

1091
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:40,840
like what i'm like yeah not actually the beginning but like at this point it

1092
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:47,560
might as well be yeah the funniest thing about that is when i got started on youtube i felt i was sure it was too late

1093
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,560
yeah i was like no it's too late yeah i'm like oh that everyone's already

1094
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:55,080
established at this point i'll never catch up like i'll be irrelevant in the

1095
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,600
tech space forever um same thing with twitch man you look at

1096
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,280
you look at the popular twitch moves faster in regards to pushing people to

1097
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:05,400
irrelevancy you look at the top like x amount of

1098
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:09,800
creators on twitch even from like a year ago or two three years ago yeah it's

1099
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,640
completely cycled yeah i mean the whole like whoever like x

1100
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:18,760
x fell off you know asterisk fell off it's it's it's a meme at this point

1101
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:23,400
yeah the only x number of viewers blah blah bro fell off right like it's

1102
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,440
someone told me recently about the like the five-year rule

1103
01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:30,440
where it's like practically impossible for any like influencer creator whatever

1104
01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:34,440
you want to call it to stay at a at a high peak for

1105
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:38,040
more than five years can't do it i call it the curve i've talked to you about

1106
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,640
that before that's my it's my term for it the curve has only one shape

1107
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,560
yeah that's it yeah i wonder how my curve's doing you used to be able to see

1108
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,240
it all on social blade because um that was before

1109
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:53,080
it's one of the most annoying things youtube has done yeah youtube um made

1110
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,680
them stop displaying data that they collected via the API

1111
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,200
that is over two years old so you used to be able to look

1112
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:04,600
at the entire lifespan of any channel and you could see

1113
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:09,240
the entire like shape of the curve and it was always

1114
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,520
well and the subscriber numbers also weren't as like chunky this

1115
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:16,120
yeah yeah um hey hey hey look at this though

1116
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:20,520
look at this we're going up guess who's back

1117
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:25,720
back again your hair is blind

1118
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:29,800
nondies back kind of works out tell a friend

1119
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:34,040
anyway yeah wait did you just get an LTT Store ad

1120
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:38,040
you probably didn't see it oh did that happen i don't know i i don't see

1121
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:41,640
the ad close the page yeah look oh yeah look at that

1122
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:48,040
nice that's not a very good ad we paid to show ourselves what's even happening

1123
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,240
like you don't i can't even fully tell it's an ad it's just like what is even

1124
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:55,720
the point of it random icons

1125
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,160
interesting so if i if i click a specific product is it open that product

1126
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:03,640
opening to hit tab yeah yeah do we even is this water bottle even in stock

1127
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:08,520
i don't know it is yes okay so it managed to pick a product that's in

1128
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,560
stock that's something that's good uh circuit desk pad yeah

1129
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,840
okay it's a nice desk pad okay so it does open the individual

1130
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:21,560
wait can you even buy that is that is that a size we carry what is this size oh okay oh sold out okay well

1131
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,600
yeah it makes sense we're not going to restock that size it's so small

1132
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,840
yeah it's i mean it's adorable but no um oh are we not bringing a circuit

1133
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:33,000
desk pad back in oh well it'd be nice if i could filter by stock is that

1134
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,120
something that the star team could do like just so i could say like show only

1135
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,240
in stock or something i think so that'd be kind of cool

1136
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:43,240
uh can someone log that the arrow on that drop down is also

1137
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,520
uncomfortably close to the bounds of the box but yeah i mean no professional

1138
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:53,480
web developer would ever do that according to your thing earlier oh that wasn't that wasn't the thing that was wrong that wasn't the thing that was wrong

1139
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:59,560
yeah yeah yeah come on um

1140
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,600
oh already says you can you have to go to all products

1141
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,120
well yeah but i want to be able to do it like on the individual yeah he means for

1142
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:10,360
variants yeah that might be pretty annoying but we'll

1143
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:16,360
i'll i'll mess around we'll look into it yeah if there's anything we can do that be pretty cool uh all right what are we what are we supposed to be

1144
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:20,520
talking about right now here's a second merch message ah yes what about second

1145
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,640
merch message hey you need to be home by nine

1146
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:28,600
yeah i was not informed of this i was not informed of this you were

1147
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,280
yeah you were like halfway through the show no

1148
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:39,320
yeah yesterday what yeah he's on first pink

1149
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,680
i don't know i'm just i'm i i have no idea what they did it and talk about

1150
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:48,440
i don't care red yeah get wrecked i don't remember this now you're

1151
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:55,160
wrecked on camera hey do you want some more of that pie i haven't finished this one because i can't stop typing because i'm up to 187 now uh

1152
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,280
hey dill i've been thinking a lot recently about netbooks and i think the

1153
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,960
form factor should return besides their underpowered components why do you

1154
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,880
think we haven't seen any recently you know that's a

1155
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,480
funny question um the usability issues with netbooks

1156
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:12,760
went beyond the slow hardware because that's

1157
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,520
something that is totally solved at this point you could make a high

1158
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:20,120
performance computer in the in the form factor of an acer

1159
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:24,920
aspire one at this point throw like uh like a AMD apu in there or

1160
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,120
something like that i mean look at the size of something like the steam deck

1161
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:32,840
absolutely you could make a netbook but for me the usability issue with the

1162
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,280
netbook was less to do with the performance with those crappy Intel

1163
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:41,480
adam cpus and it was more to do with uh the usability of it

1164
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:45,320
it's not like the it's not like the form factor doesn't still exist like

1165
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:50,120
companies like gpd essentially specialize in building products that

1166
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:54,520
address that market like look at this here's the here's the win max uh 2024

1167
01:30:54,520 --> 01:31:03,800
edition here let's just fire that up i'm gonna click and add let's go but there you can't oh no not that one no no not the win max hold on

1168
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,720
hold on hold on hold on uh no the one that i want is

1169
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,400
uh is it the pocket micro pc i think it's the win four

1170
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,520
i think it's the win four let me have a look here

1171
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:20,760
uh pocket three no not the win four i can never remember their product naming

1172
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,520
scheme where are the hands for scale whatever the point is that you can

1173
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:32,600
definitely get devices in these form factors but what made netbooks so special was that they were super cheap

1174
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,640
yes that's what made them sell the only reason why people really was the only

1175
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,080
reason people cared so now that we want performance that's decent

1176
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:42,600
they're not that cheap and the usability issues that existed for

1177
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:46,200
netbooks like their little tiny screens and little tiny

1178
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:51,560
keyboards those haven't gone away and i think a lot of people were kind of

1179
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:55,720
tech curious about the category and tried it and realized

1180
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,480
once and for all that they never need to do that again

1181
01:31:59,480 --> 01:32:03,560
there are definitely careers that i could end up in

1182
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:07,400
where i could be convinced to use a netbook like device

1183
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,840
potentially uh there was one really cool one that i think was

1184
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:15,960
from gpd that had uh an input on it so that you could actually use it as a

1185
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:20,360
display and keyboard and mouse for a device like as a as a

1186
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:25,400
mobile technician or something like that oh that'd be so cool

1187
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,160
but at anything i have to type on for any reasonable amount of time i want it

1188
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:33,960
to have a proper size keyboard and i just i'd rather i'd rather

1189
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,960
save my space this way you know and have a keyboard

1190
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:41,400
than save my space this way and not be able to type on the device

1191
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:47,000
because you have to put the battery in it either way it's going to have to have a certain internal volume if you want to have reasonable battery life

1192
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,440
this so this i don't believe is a topic in the doc but someone in full plane

1193
01:32:50,440 --> 01:32:53,800
chat just mentioned it and i'm going to just say it out loud so you can look

1194
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:59,320
into it if you want but apparently there was a two billion plus leak of

1195
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:03,160
personal uh date of birth and social security numbers

1196
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:08,040
for us citizens that happened okay there's not two billion sorry what

1197
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,960
it says two b plus i don't know that doesn't make any sense

1198
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,160
doesn't make much sense to me either unless maybe it includes uh numbers

1199
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:19,080
and information of deceased people oh not even then

1200
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:22,200
i don't think there's been ever two billion americans total isn't there like

1201
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:29,960
over three hundred million yeah so if it's cycled yeah that'd be a lot of times yeah no okay um

1202
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:33,960
anyway big leak well would you cut it in half

1203
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:37,880
uh two point seven billion records apparently it's uh yeah it's it's the

1204
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:41,960
number okay so it's a lot more than half so it's probably counting a record for

1205
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:49,160
a full name a record for an address a record for date of birth a record for social security etc yeah it's a lot a lot of stuff

1206
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:52,440
like i said it's not a prep topic the number is definitely wrong but a major

1207
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:57,480
record holder got hacked essentially yeah okay yeah um also the records are

1208
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:00,760
inaccurate okay cool well yeah it'll include dead

1209
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,880
people changes of address all kinds of stuff like that got it

1210
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:07,240
troy hunt apparently has a blog post about it that makes sense

1211
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:11,560
he would do that all right want to talk about super cool real estate dystopia

1212
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,800
yeah all right uh this is a great article that i read on the atlantic

1213
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,320
earlier this week um just a few months after reports

1214
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,840
emerged that modern cars were sharing information with auto insurers

1215
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,200
a california woman had her home insurance cancelled because of

1216
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:30,600
drone footage um oh wait this this is two different oh okay this is two

1217
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,880
different things this is not the uh the the atlantic

1218
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:37,160
article so first is one from petapixel um

1219
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:41,160
jones van curin's insurance provider of 40 years csaa dropped her home

1220
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,680
insurance citing unacceptable hazards and liability exposure

1221
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:50,760
van curin was told by a representative that they flew a drone over her house and concluded that the final phase of her home of her home renovation project

1222
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:54,840
was hazardous clutter now here's we've talked about this before

1223
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:58,360
because this has happened to someone else um but what's interesting about this

1224
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:02,760
one to me is that her insurance provider csaa

1225
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:08,040
is saying hey we didn't violate your privacy

1226
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:12,760
we don't have drones we just paid someone who did we used

1227
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:17,480
several sources of information to assess the condition of the property

1228
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:21,320
which could include aerial imagery captured by third party

1229
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:30,280
fixed-wing aircraft and satellites sick and ah this is going to be a tenuous

1230
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,280
connection but this kind of reminds me of the disney

1231
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:39,000
um okay the disney case earlier where it's like

1232
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,840
look if you're gonna have your brand name on it

1233
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:49,240
if you're gonna have it as part of your business practice at the end of the day you know if you're amazon and you're going oh

1234
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:53,240
well those those mistreated truck drivers or whatever they are

1235
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:57,240
they don't work for amazon isn't there some amount of precedent for this

1236
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:02,200
they're contractors i mean that's why companies contract

1237
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:06,120
so that they're not responsible for the workers conditions

1238
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,400
so that if something goes wrong they're not liable

1239
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:13,240
or they can cut ties and just walk away or maybe because they really want to

1240
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:18,120
work with that person but that person's in another country and then that's the only way that it can work we like our contractors hello

1241
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:22,840
or because they live in cobalt in cobalt it's complicated

1242
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:26,040
cobalt's a whole heck of a thing but i'm not talking about hiring a contractor

1243
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:29,720
i know i'm just i'm talking about taking an entire

1244
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:33,080
division of your business or an entire role within your company contracting it

1245
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:36,600
to another and contracting it to another company

1246
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:41,400
who then can treat those people however and theoretically there's this

1247
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,960
there's this layer of insulation between your brand and your company

1248
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,400
and what they're doing and it's like i don't understand

1249
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:54,120
why we allow that insulation to exist if you

1250
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,960
if your contractor is using aerial footage to

1251
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:03,480
why are we getting into this conversation about who's who the drone belongs to

1252
01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:09,800
who cares yeah you are using drone footage that was

1253
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:14,600
collected which is technically legal i guess but you're using drone footage to

1254
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,280
surveil someone's private property and determine if they should be eligible

1255
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,720
for insurance or not it's just it's freaking dystopian

1256
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:25,800
that's the issue although it's not nearly as dystopian as this next one and

1257
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:29,400
look i am not a lawyer i'm not a legal advisor

1258
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:34,040
so take everything that i'm about to say for the ignorant rants of a lay person

1259
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:37,240
that they are but this one really upset me

1260
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:40,440
this one's from the atlantic here the original article you should go read it

1261
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:50,040
it's really good it's going to break it down more than what we're talking about but in other unfortunate real estate news 30 to 60 percent of multifamily

1262
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:57,160
building units in 40 housing markets are apparently using property management software from the company real page to

1263
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:03,640
adjust rent prices okay so far i guess right

1264
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:08,120
sure but real page has been accused of antitrust

1265
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:16,920
violations and price fixing due to their ai revenue management algorithm

1266
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:21,320
see he's starting to i'm starting to get some twitches in the thing

1267
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:26,360
basically property owners input their unit prices and vacancy rates

1268
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,360
and then the algorithm spits out a rent recommendation

1269
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:34,760
based on what competitors are charging

1270
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:38,680
the lawsuits actually multiple lawsuits against real page and their lawsuits

1271
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:42,760
against similar services allege that the landlords actually

1272
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:46,680
encourage their competitors to also use the service

1273
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:53,000
why because if they're all using it then everyone will get better results

1274
01:38:53,000 --> 01:39:01,560
uh-huh uh-huh and they can collude without talking to each other directly

1275
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:05,240
and they can all work together to raise prices to

1276
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,600
sorry excuse me let me use the correct term here

1277
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:12,840
ai manage their revenue

1278
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:18,120
this is flipping wild and the reason that i wanted to talk about this is

1279
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:23,720
because the tech bro cabal you know the the the tech

1280
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:29,400
elite whatever whatever you want to call them the people who are out there doing interviews and making arguments

1281
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:34,120
about these ai agents or algorithms and i don't really think it's fair to call

1282
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:37,320
an ai agent an algorithm i actually don't really like that term

1283
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:41,480
because to me an algorithm is something that can be expressed as a function

1284
01:39:41,480 --> 01:39:46,840
whereas machine learning is not necessarily simply expressed as a

1285
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:50,440
function you can you can express the desired outcome

1286
01:39:50,440 --> 01:39:54,680
you can express what the input was but what you can't express

1287
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,200
is exactly how it achieved that necessarily

1288
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:01,480
because it's going to depend on how many times it has

1289
01:40:01,480 --> 01:40:05,320
adversarily reinforced itself in order to achieve that outcome like it's not

1290
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:10,280
sometimes it's not a simple function though that that narrative is used by

1291
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:13,880
companies that want to well i'm getting to that i have no control

1292
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:17,880
i'm getting to that here's my problem is the people that are getting out there

1293
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:24,360
and doing these interviews making those arguments i'm really glad you brought that up because that's exactly where i was going with it

1294
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:28,200
they've got to pick a f***ing lane because on the one hand

1295
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:33,400
right they're kind of going oh we couldn't possibly know it's a black box

1296
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:41,000
yeah it's a black box we don't know how it works um we just try to poke it and hope yeah we we just hope for the best right

1297
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:45,320
and then when they want to when they want to train it

1298
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:49,880
right uh when they want to use um let's say copyrighted

1299
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:55,640
or otherwise you know not legally available content like say from youtube

1300
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:59,240
channels or or netflix or whoever else well then

1301
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:03,880
now all of a sudden well you know it's uh it's

1302
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:09,800
oh wait this wasn't quite the argument i wanted to make whatever okay let's back up a little bit let's back up a little bit so when they want to train it

1303
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:13,320
okay the argument that they make is that it's kind of like a person

1304
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:19,160
right like anyone any any entity could have consumed that content and learned

1305
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,520
and everything that it that it produces from that point

1306
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,800
whether whatever similarity it bears to what it learned from

1307
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:30,440
is just like any any person would right but then

1308
01:41:30,440 --> 01:41:34,840
the legal argument around this uh this price fixing issue

1309
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:38,680
anytime it does something that they don't like it's not it's not it's not a

1310
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,120
person it's just an algorithm yeah so you got to

1311
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:46,200
decide which one it is yeah does it behave like a person

1312
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:50,040
taking in information from around it and then

1313
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:55,240
and then black box doing its own thing with it and it's generative

1314
01:41:55,240 --> 01:42:02,040
or is it an algorithm and can't be held accountable for behaving

1315
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,960
like a person would because that's the argument that real page is making

1316
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:09,480
they're basically saying that well because

1317
01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:13,160
none of these people are talking to each other

1318
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:18,440
there is no single entity that is bringing the entire thing together to

1319
01:42:18,440 --> 01:42:22,440
become collusion they're all just using an algorithm that is

1320
01:42:22,440 --> 01:42:25,880
suggesting things to them based on information that it has

1321
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,400
but the lawyers who are filing these lawsuits argue that

1322
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:34,040
it like a person yeah who was acting as an intermediary

1323
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:38,040
has private information that it shouldn't have

1324
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:42,040
in order to give those recommendations sorry it took me a while to get there but

1325
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:48,040
basically we made it my whole thing is like look you've got to pick a lane yeah you've got to decide if they're people

1326
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:51,240
and therefore should be allowed to intake any content they want like a person

1327
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:55,000
would or if they're just algorithms in which case well I

1328
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:58,760
guess you can't really do that to to train them they shouldn't be able to

1329
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:02,280
take in that information either way it's pretty clear to me that what real

1330
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:06,520
page is doing is textbook collusion and price fixing

1331
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:09,720
yeah it's just that the textbook was written a

1332
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:14,120
long time ago yeah this is this is horrible

1333
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:22,840
i i'm really hate corporate residential investment

1334
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:28,440
but that's a story for another time yeah and just again i'm not a lawyer

1335
01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:31,880
i don't i don't know the law but what i do know is

1336
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:39,080
this doesn't seem right yeah um and i am i don't think it's cool

1337
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:43,240
yeah anything else is there something that's cool

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they're durable so you can you can throw them you can do that yeah okay cool

1372
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oh okay i get it so they're smaller and later i mean yeah i mean i guess that

1373
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was already in the talk but i actually i actually haven't seen one of these yet

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um okay okay so your cards just stick out a little bit

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yep just like that it's a ridge wallet

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it's got the uh the elastic band that you can use as a

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as a like a money strap thing and you get your cards out

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actually it's always even more easily now wow that is

1379
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that is about as minimal as it gets uh you put your cards in i mean it's a

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ridge wallet do i have to explain what a ridge wallet is

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all right what are we supposed to do now Dan three merge messages

1391
01:47:29,480 --> 01:47:33,080
you ready luke you are disassembling a ridge wallet i am why

1392
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:36,440
because i'm trying to figure out is can you buy like swappable plates

1393
01:47:36,440 --> 01:47:42,840
i don't know i took the plate off um they get they give you a screwdriver in the

1394
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:47,320
box so you must be able to like swap the

1395
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:50,360
plates

1396
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:55,160
um okay that's also how you get to the strap crannin Floatplane chat says i've

1397
01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:59,720
3d printed plates for mine that's cool uh elijah said it's to add the air tag

1398
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:05,880
thing oh there you go cool

1399
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neat cool thanks luke no problem and also to add the money clip

1400
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:18,040
oh okay uh Dan hit me sure what's the most unexpected loss

1401
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:24,280
leader you ever came up with either for LTT Store or LMG in general

1402
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:29,080
oh uh the elemental t-shirt um remember those shirts that just had LTT

1403
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:32,680
logos in the top that was um that was turning one of our biggest

1404
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:38,520
l's into a w because it turns out while people weren't that into the

1405
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:42,680
design of just an LTT in a random color on a shirt

1406
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:46,840
people were super into the quad pack bundles that we did of them

1407
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:52,040
at a really aggressive price um people liked them so much as a stupid loss

1408
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:55,080
leader item that we actually intentionally did i think

1409
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:58,440
either two or three rounds i remember of printing those shirts

1410
01:48:58,440 --> 01:49:02,200
with the intention of selling them for um

1411
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:05,880
i think by the time we like everything was handled and everything i'm pretty

1412
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:10,760
sure they were at a loss so um good job team um

1413
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,360
i mean it is a thing that businesses do well where they will buy something

1414
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:17,880
with the intent of not making money on them with the intent of losing money

1415
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:21,400
on them but it doesn't happen that often for us we're a pretty small company we

1416
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:25,160
don't we don't just buy stuff to lose money on it

1417
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:32,120
generally speaking isn't that like the whole thing with the cosco food yeah yeah rotisserie chicken the hotdog

1418
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:37,960
rotisserie chicken is a huge one yeah i didn't even know that the rotisserie

1419
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:42,040
chicken was like a loss leader thing until i i read they are so

1420
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:47,000
cheap for what they are you can't you can't buy a uncooked chicken for

1421
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:50,520
for for less which is crazy and it's cooked in season and everything they're

1422
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,560
really nice so this is just a cosco sponsorship now

1423
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:58,600
uh val hieric says the rotisserie chicken isn't a loss leader

1424
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:02,440
really that doesn't that doesn't compute for me

1425
01:50:02,440 --> 01:50:08,280
i i don't think you're i'm not sure they say they don't waste a single bit of it

1426
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:12,280
well yeah but even then guys it's just a chicken they just took a chicken and

1427
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:17,480
they put it in a plastic container yeah guys i i i don't i don't know i'm

1428
01:50:17,480 --> 01:50:23,240
i'm pretty sure i'm i'm pretty sure uh in a 2023 earnings call cosco chief

1429
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:27,480
financial officer richard galanti said cosco's rotisserie chicken is an

1430
01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:30,520
investment in low prices to drive membership

1431
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:34,280
to drive sales in a big way that's just a fancy way of saying loss leader

1432
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:37,640
it's at the back of the store like the bathrooms for a reason

1433
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:42,360
yeah and uh the next line of this is almost exactly what line has said word

1434
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:48,440
for word is that's a fancy way of saying that the product is a loss leader yeah

1435
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,320
i wasn't even gonna say it i was like wait that's almost my word

1436
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:57,640
um yeah crazy yeah i mean i think it is

1437
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:00,760
or it might even be a thing like maybe maybe they profit like

1438
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:06,520
a tenth of a cent on each one that's still kind of a loss leader in a way

1439
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:10,040
yeah because even just the administration of having that is

1440
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:14,280
going to make that automatically not worth it yeah

1441
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:19,160
all right LMG continues it's assault on my wallet

1442
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:23,320
Linus did you ever hear from big time about sponsoring them

1443
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:28,920
uh unless a deal is done you know i'm not gonna yeah i'm not gonna talk about

1444
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:36,040
it um what i will do is i'll reiterate that we would love uh we'd love to do a sponsorship with big time

1445
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:39,720
there's even if you know everyone agreed in principle that that was a good

1446
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:46,280
idea there'd be a lot of details to sort out like you know let's say they were like oh yeah sure sounds good uh how about

1447
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:50,680
one billion dollars you know for a for a community post you know obviously we

1448
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:54,120
wouldn't move forward with that so there's a and i'm not saying they did that

1449
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:58,200
i'm just saying there's a thousand reasons that something might not go through

1450
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:03,560
even if we'd like to and even if they'd like to so i i'm very interested in it

1451
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:06,920
personally but there's also other stakeholders internally that need to be

1452
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:10,680
convinced we don't just operate based on what

1453
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:14,760
Linus thinks is a good idea anymore we have other leadership and that's a good

1454
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:18,440
thing what a loss you're a loss

1455
01:52:18,440 --> 01:52:21,080
and a leader

1456
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:29,480
i don't i don't think i'm uh is this loss i yeah do would you call

1457
01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:35,080
like support departments and infrastructure a loss leader in a company

1458
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:39,240
oh uh they're known as the burden department yeah yeah not loss leader but

1459
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:43,400
i just cost the company money because a loss leader actually has to have the

1460
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:48,680
potential to generate profits elsewhere yeah we don't come here for infrastructure

1461
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:52,920
no but i think that's true because i mean if we didn't have a single server

1462
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:59,800
i think about the infrastructure department think about the accounting department you're called cost centers burden yeah i've heard that one says

1463
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:03,320
the warden no i know cost centers yeah that's a nice

1464
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:09,720
yeah no you don't get to be a loss leader sorry i don't know if cost center is a nice name i i prefer burden department because it's

1465
01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:16,040
way more offensive burden department yeah like you're a net drain on this company

1466
01:53:16,040 --> 01:53:21,400
keep doing your job but we're looking at you it's like oh i'm sorry for being

1467
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:24,920
employed by you if you didn't have us your company would

1468
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:31,640
implode but it doesn't mean it's on your balance sheet is anything good investors what's this well that's the

1469
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:36,120
entire workforce that makes that makes our well we got to get rid of them

1470
01:53:36,360 --> 01:53:40,760
well outsource them and then the company implodes that's basically what happens

1471
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:44,600
all the time yeah layoff yeah we'll just outsource it

1472
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:48,680
you know we'll get it stuck is doing poorly fire everyone

1473
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:54,840
i love who's gonna fix the company ai yeah uh that'll make the stock go up

1474
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:58,680
what do we do when that doesn't work i don't know that's some others shareholders

1475
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:02,680
problem i'm okay i'll get a golden parachute move on to the next one

1476
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:06,600
yay uh in in the badminton center is definitely a

1477
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:10,040
cost center not a loss leader yeah especially when it takes all of our

1478
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:16,040
infrastructure people away i wanted to do my job i have good news

1479
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:20,120
no it's good news why are you gonna be such a

1480
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:26,760
so i had a meeting with the city oh no way

1481
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:30,280
i had a meeting with the general manager of the city of surrey

1482
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,400
i can't believe i haven't talked to you about this i didn't know cities had

1483
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:39,480
general managers they sure do i thought it was just mayor well i mean mayors have staffs they don't just do everything

1484
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:43,080
you sound like one of our viewers who thinks that i like it's just like a big

1485
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:47,720
guy in an office and bake the weed and like a little red hen over here like no

1486
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:51,640
they have of course they won't eat no wheat oh it's a story of the little red

1487
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:57,160
hen i know if i said weed did you have children's stories it's like the canadian version of the little red hen

1488
01:54:57,160 --> 01:55:01,320
not the weed the red hen rolls the joints in a tiny peak

1489
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:06,040
you don't bake the weed the weed bakes you

1490
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:10,120
never get eye in your own supply Linus

1491
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:15,480
okay so those eggs would be off the chain though

1492
01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:22,040
from high chickens okay it's like high chew but way worse

1493
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:25,880
um okay important meetings yeah so so we had a meeting with the

1494
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:30,120
general manager of the city and in much the same way that you know i

1495
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:35,960
can't say with confidence oh we're going to sponsor big time or you know whatever i can't say with confidence that we're

1496
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:40,040
going to be able to move forward with whale lands at the badminton center

1497
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:46,360
slash i'm just going to start calling it smash champs so that's that's what it's called it's called smash champs um i'm not saying that we're going to be able

1498
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:50,120
to move forward but what i will say is that we had a really

1499
01:55:50,120 --> 01:55:54,520
constructive meeting um we chatted for almost two hours

1500
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:59,720
so it was a it's never a good sign when a meeting is 15 minutes

1501
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:05,000
um it is almost there's like a there's like a happy spot like

1502
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:08,760
how good of a sign it is is if it's a four hour meeting it's probably bad

1503
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:12,520
so it was almost two hours including two site visits

1504
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:16,760
so they went to smash champs and then they also came here to the office

1505
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:20,680
to get an idea of you know what our operation looks like

1506
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:25,080
for like land gaming and slash sport in the city

1507
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:28,680
and then what our operation looks like that pays for

1508
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:33,720
land gaming and sport in the city in order to just like get an idea of what

1509
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:37,800
we're about and i will tell you this at the end of

1510
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:42,600
the meeting the question the summary question was okay

1511
01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:45,880
what do you need from us to get these gaming events going

1512
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:50,360
oh that's a nice one it's not a guarantee

1513
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:53,400
no there's you know red tape but it's it's good

1514
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:58,440
red tape can't be immediately you know cut necessarily no matter

1515
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:02,520
what kind of position of power they're in but this is really cool for me as a

1516
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:06,040
resident of the city of Surrey i've i've observed many times over the years

1517
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:10,040
that there is like all to do here um and one of the big

1518
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:14,600
problems is that our previous councils uh like our city councils

1519
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:19,480
have not prioritized it yeah so to have fun you have to travel out of the city

1520
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:23,880
basically for a long time and what's cool is one of the things that he said

1521
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:28,520
is that in his 10 years working for the city um this is the first council

1522
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:33,240
that has come to him with a mandate of hey figure this out that's awesome

1523
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:36,280
actually yeah that's very cool and even not even

1524
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:39,320
just the impact on smash champs like obviously i'm happy about that

1525
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:43,320
but i'm also excited about the idea of things to do

1526
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:46,600
being something that the cities that are out here care about

1527
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:49,720
i'm gonna bundle in like Langley stop acting like suburbs

1528
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:52,920
carrying a little bit more with like the Langley event center and stuff but

1529
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:56,840
even that like unless you're doing organized sport

1530
01:57:56,840 --> 01:58:01,160
it's i mean that helps that's cool yeah i like Langley event center

1531
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:04,440
i'm for it but we need kind of more stuff like that

1532
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:08,680
yeah a hundred percent and and it's it's it's funny because uh one of the

1533
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:11,720
things that he also mentioned is i forget what the time frame was but i think

1534
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,920
it's sometime in the like next 10 or 20 years based on projections

1535
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:18,200
Surrey's going to be the biggest city in the province

1536
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:22,120
not Vancouver yeah i mean that makes sense because Vancouver's already built

1537
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:27,240
up and Surrey's only built out and not even completely built out

1538
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:31,480
um and so major inefficiencies like the like the fact that we don't

1539
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:35,320
the fact that they have like all the sports arenas and like all the

1540
01:58:35,320 --> 01:58:39,160
entertainment district and all that stuff is sort of it's sort of like why

1541
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:43,480
yeah why is why sorry why is Surrey a suburb of

1542
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:47,080
Vancouver like like why don't we just why don't we have cool stuff to do here

1543
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:51,960
and i love that mindset yeah that's yeah yeah no it's great

1544
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:55,480
and so yeah so i was talking to him and i was just like look like i'm

1545
01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:59,560
i'm i like to live my life via improv rules

1546
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:02,920
right and improv rules is you work together

1547
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:07,400
and you can't say no because no is not useful

1548
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:10,920
no doesn't give your partner anything to work with and

1549
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:15,240
we've encountered some some obstacles within the bureaucracy and and the

1550
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:23,000
answer could be a barrier that's so high that it's effectively a no yeah but but no is not helpful and so

1551
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:26,920
like okay one of the concerns that was raised to us was occupancy and we kind

1552
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:31,800
of went okay so what's the limit there no

1553
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,320
and we kind of go but what if we what if what if

1554
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:39,640
okay what if as a requirement all the bay doors are open during these events

1555
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:44,280
because because there has to be a reason rules exist for a reason

1556
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:48,200
so tell us the underlying reason because if we don't know the reason we can

1557
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:51,240
address it so it's so it's fire code but with

1558
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:57,320
all the bay doors open everyone can leave incredibly quickly yes okay but that isn't even the issue because i'm just i'm just with the

1559
01:59:57,320 --> 02:00:03,640
number of exits we have i think we could do up to like 400 or something like that so that's not even the bigger issue it's not what we're cleared for now

1560
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:10,120
but looking at the building it shouldn't be a problem got it the big one is parking and we kind of go okay

1561
02:00:10,120 --> 02:00:13,400
but what if we worked with our neighbors because these events would be taking

1562
02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:17,320
place outside of regular business hours and this is an industrial park so

1563
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:20,520
theoretically as long as we clear it with them it should be no problem to

1564
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:24,680
have tons of parking and they're like no

1565
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:28,520
and we kind of go but that's not that's not rational that's not

1566
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:32,120
that's not a conversation that's just well okay there's a there's a truck

1567
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:35,560
parking place down the road like literally half a

1568
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:42,760
block away or something like three quarters of a block away what if we worked out a deal with them uh or we or we hired out a parking lot a

1569
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:45,960
greater distance away and we arranged a shuttle service no

1570
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:49,320
so is the issue parking or is the issue that you're just an obstinate

1571
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:53,080
f*** what is what is the actual problem here

1572
02:00:53,080 --> 02:00:57,640
let me solve problems and and talking to the gm

1573
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:01,400
he seems like a problem solver cool and he seems

1574
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:05,160
excited to work with one in that role problem solvers yeah and so that's

1575
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:08,280
that's my whole thing right is sorry i didn't know your job is just

1576
02:01:08,280 --> 02:01:14,920
is uh yeah yeah it sounds like you're doing it well so that's my whole thing is i like problem solvers because this is this is one of those

1577
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:17,960
things that is a that is a net obvious benefit to the city

1578
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:21,400
it brings it brings dollars into the city

1579
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:25,880
it brings uh attention onto the city which is what they want they want to be

1580
02:01:25,880 --> 02:01:29,400
treated like a city not like a suburb of some other city and so okay

1581
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:32,440
well then you've got to have things happening series also been

1582
02:01:32,440 --> 02:01:36,840
historically like the the butt of jokes for for cities around here

1583
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:41,000
and this type of stuff might be able to help them shake that reputation

1584
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:44,760
absolutely um Langley to cloverdale all around here

1585
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:48,760
but they've got to have the right attitude they've got to have the right

1586
02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:55,800
attitude in order to make that work and it just seems like we have finally reached the level

1587
02:01:56,600 --> 02:02:00,200
where it's it's a stuff done it's a get or done attitude

1588
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:05,720
instead of a follow the rules attitude like one of the things that we ran into

1589
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:09,960
is that in an industrial zone you can have

1590
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:15,640
recreation but not entertainment so you can actually get a temporary use

1591
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:18,920
permit to do a bingo hall

1592
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:25,480
but you can't play computer games and so that's one of those things and

1593
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:29,480
yeah so the so that's one of those things that's like clearly an arbitrary

1594
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:33,400
distinction icky yeah yeah someone somewhere in the

1595
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:37,080
bingo gaming industry got that pushed through at some point

1596
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:40,440
and and so i'm just kind of sitting here going

1597
02:02:40,440 --> 02:02:44,360
look uh there's a there's a charity event that um Yvonne and i participated in

1598
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:48,120
where you can repel off of one of the towers in central city

1599
02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:51,880
that's cool yeah and so one of the things that if they

1600
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:57,880
were if they were seeming like they were going to be kind of obstructionist one of the things that i was going to bring up was like look

1601
02:02:57,880 --> 02:03:03,800
clearly you guys can do things if if i can repel

1602
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:09,000
down a tower in the middle of the city if they got a permit for that

1603
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:14,680
then there's no way to play video games there's no way i can't play video games

1604
02:03:14,680 --> 02:03:18,360
in a badminton gym yeah right but i it didn't end up getting there

1605
02:03:18,360 --> 02:03:22,040
it didn't end up getting there because it seems like and this is such a relief

1606
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:27,720
because uh poor Dan and shawn and actually Jake two and uh the smash

1607
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:32,040
champs team and everyone has been working really hard to make these land

1608
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:36,760
gaming events a possibility and for months now we've been

1609
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:41,400
doing so with no solid indication that the city is going to yield and that

1610
02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:44,680
they're going to allow us to do it it's been like actually a lot of work

1611
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:48,520
i live there now yeah i know the it team

1612
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:52,040
yeah and the vast majority of what they're doing there there is some stuff

1613
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:55,320
there that is specific to smash champs' functionality

1614
02:03:55,320 --> 02:04:00,280
but the reason it's so complicated the reason we have access control everywhere

1615
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:06,360
the reason the wi-fi is crazy overbuilt the reason that we have fiber and power

1616
02:04:06,360 --> 02:04:09,640
running everywhere and all these terminations the reason we have so many

1617
02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:13,000
security cameras is because i'm not worried about a couple

1618
02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:16,680
couple hundred dollar rackets going missing i'm worried about

1619
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:20,200
access control and dividing a group that has

1620
02:04:20,200 --> 02:04:23,960
two thousand dollar laptops from just random looky-loos that are there playing

1621
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:27,880
badminton whatever else like it was designed for us to be able to run

1622
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:34,760
these events without the cost and time of doing them in a non-specialty built

1623
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:37,960
facility yeah so we've really thought about it from

1624
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:42,680
the very beginning like how do we make this purpose built for land

1625
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:50,920
gaming on this side without interfering with the regular business over here when we want to do these events and so

1626
02:04:50,920 --> 02:04:55,320
hopefully that's that helps at least in for now

1627
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:58,360
i mean i i even i love it it's fun to build things

1628
02:04:58,360 --> 02:05:01,880
you know yeah but it's nice if people use them after you build them

1629
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:06,520
i enjoy the act of building i don't care if it's seen or used by anybody

1630
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:11,880
and it's very important to like that i actually believe this i don't i don't

1631
02:05:11,880 --> 02:05:15,480
just just for other people listening i don't think that i think i think there's

1632
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:19,240
an additional benefit it always is nice but it's not to be

1633
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:26,120
expected and if you're out there doing something for the validation from other people you should probably look into why you're

1634
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:33,240
doing it that's fair that's fair yeah build something for the joy of building it won't it be nice if other people enjoy

1635
02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:36,280
it too yeah because it costs a hell of a lot of money

1636
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:40,520
there's a lot of that crann pointed out uh only an hour left of luke time

1637
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:48,280
that's not even true it's less than that because i have to be home by that time so uh i'm gonna jump in and can i do more topics can i do the defcon topic

1638
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:53,000
yeah let's do the defcon topic i went to defcon and i didn't know what to expect

1639
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:57,400
i've wanted to go to defcon since i was a wee lad um watching the

1640
02:05:57,400 --> 02:06:05,400
the like vods of defcon panels on like i i'm pretty sure i think i watched them

1641
02:06:05,400 --> 02:06:09,800
pre youtube even but i know i watched some of them on youtube back in the day

1642
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:13,160
um i i'm pretty sure the reason why i think i watched them pre youtube is

1643
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:20,680
because i have a bunch of them downloaded um like a lot of videos from defcon downloaded from back in the day nice

1644
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:24,120
because i'm pretty sure i i got them off of you know

1645
02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:31,080
before youtube a lot of places you had to download video when it was on the internet so anyways um i always wanted to go

1646
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:35,800
never really wanted to go to cons by myself and never really wanted to go to

1647
02:06:35,800 --> 02:06:39,640
defcon especially by myself because it's it's a it feels scary

1648
02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:44,040
so there's a lot of hackers there i went yeah quite a few this time i went

1649
02:06:44,040 --> 02:06:51,240
with uh fio and fio cto mark um and ed and not edzel here

1650
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:55,240
edzel a different ed but i barely even ended up

1651
02:06:55,240 --> 02:06:58,760
seeing ed because of reasons that i'm gonna explain in a second

1652
02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:02,680
and while we were there we met up with thor and or pirate software and

1653
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:06,760
and primogen and a group of other people uh

1654
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:10,200
that are not as much of a fan of being named or having pictures of them or

1655
02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:13,640
anything like that so those guys are also super cool everyone

1656
02:07:13,640 --> 02:07:17,160
that i was hanging out with was we're just legends but i don't i'm

1657
02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:21,560
not going to name the other ones um what i expected we would do is you know

1658
02:07:21,560 --> 02:07:25,800
go to defcon and hang out at the show a bunch uh that didn't really happen

1659
02:07:25,800 --> 02:07:30,280
i can't even read no you're good i'm just um what what really happened at defcon

1660
02:07:30,280 --> 02:07:33,720
was we we showed up we went to the show floor for like i don't know a couple

1661
02:07:33,720 --> 02:07:39,240
hours and then we got an invite from thor pirate software to

1662
02:07:39,240 --> 02:07:43,720
join him in a hotel room where they're doing a a capture the flag like

1663
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:46,920
challenge and i was like oh that sounds pretty cool so we went there

1664
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:51,000
and all immediately became obsessed with this challenge called the

1665
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:55,800
the gold bug puzzle um okay and this is what i ended up spending

1666
02:07:55,800 --> 02:07:59,960
the entire rest of the event doing no way i sat in this hotel room with a

1667
02:07:59,960 --> 02:08:03,240
bunch of hacker dudes on laptops and tried to solve puzzles

1668
02:08:03,240 --> 02:08:06,600
we were up until like six in the morning basically every day

1669
02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:11,800
trying to solve puzzles and then we won we won the gold bug challenge which was

1670
02:08:11,800 --> 02:08:15,240
amazing heck yeah uh i don't know how much uh it's

1671
02:08:15,240 --> 02:08:18,840
okay for me to say we uh they all think that i can but my

1672
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:22,600
contribution is highly questionable compared to certain other people there

1673
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:26,120
um but it was really cool and if you're interested

1674
02:08:26,120 --> 02:08:29,640
um you can actually kind of do it yourself still

1675
02:08:29,640 --> 02:08:35,080
so the puzzle's still live it's bbs.goldbug.cryptovillage.org

1676
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:39,560
slash puzzles.html and you can find all the puzzles they're all right here

1677
02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:44,920
um the types of puzzles that they are this this was just this was so cool and

1678
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:51,320
some of the people there i i felt incredibly dumb being in that room because the stuff that people were able to pull off was

1679
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:55,000
was wild um but the one the main one that sniped me

1680
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:59,000
was chess there's all these different names for these puzzles

1681
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:02,760
etiquette chess uh charades pass the slipper whatnot

1682
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:06,840
um when we started deciding like okay we're

1683
02:09:06,840 --> 02:09:12,920
pretty invested in this like mark mark theo and i um i started started to try to figure out what one can i try to contribute to

1684
02:09:12,920 --> 02:09:20,920
and i heard there was one named chess i was like okay i'm gonna work on that i click on the chess puzzle and this is all you get

1685
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:25,800
there's this picture of this girl uh some text down at the bottom that reads

1686
02:09:25,800 --> 02:09:29,560
a horseman rides across breadcrumbs dropped by a child reduced by one in

1687
02:09:29,560 --> 02:09:33,960
file and then a chess game and you can play the chess game

1688
02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:38,360
um but like this is it the the solution for the puzzle

1689
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:42,040
there's just like a text box and you have to type something into it

1690
02:09:42,040 --> 02:09:45,400
that's all that's all this is all you have you have to try to solve what this

1691
02:09:45,400 --> 02:09:48,920
puzzle is um i could go over all the things

1692
02:09:48,920 --> 02:09:52,360
that i tried i didn't even end up being the one who solved this but

1693
02:09:52,440 --> 02:09:56,120
i might have helped narrow it down i don't know that's questionable

1694
02:09:56,120 --> 02:10:01,240
i noticed right away that the knight moves around in a very specific pattern

1695
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:05,080
this isn't a normal chess game if you don't interact with the knight

1696
02:10:05,080 --> 02:10:09,080
he just jumps around

1697
02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:14,200
the pattern of movement for the knight ends up being important to the solution

1698
02:10:14,200 --> 02:10:18,760
but i was thinking like reduced by one in file so i was mapping down the

1699
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:23,080
the movement pattern of the knight and then the files are are alphabetical

1700
02:10:23,080 --> 02:10:26,680
and then if you look at like a grid of the spots on a chessboard they're all

1701
02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:30,440
letter number so i was reducing by one of each so you end up going down to the

1702
02:10:30,440 --> 02:10:33,800
left so i like mapped out the knight's movement going down into the left and

1703
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:37,880
then i i started trying to like okay maybe the puzzle is solved when a

1704
02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:45,000
certain position on the board is met and this was an agreement that a bunch of people had is like that might be it so i was trying to like leave it says you

1705
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:48,600
know breadcrumbs drop by a child so i tried like putting pawns

1706
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:51,800
in the place that the knight was going to move to so it could take my pawns and

1707
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:58,040
like all this other stuff none of that ended up being the case i'm not going to give the answer of how you solve it out but i i tried

1708
02:10:58,040 --> 02:11:01,800
everything i beat the ai i i beat the game that way i um

1709
02:11:01,800 --> 02:11:09,640
here let's go really quick where is it if i go into

1710
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:16,120
here nope it's not that one oh i thought i clicked on script my bad take back

1711
02:11:16,120 --> 02:11:20,600
okay this will only take a second

1712
02:11:21,160 --> 02:11:24,680
so you can you can like reverse your moves

1713
02:11:24,680 --> 02:11:28,280
interesting okay so i figured out one thing that we figured out pretty quick

1714
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:32,920
was you can make it start to play chess so it has logic for actually trying to

1715
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:36,040
beat you um but there's only ways that you can even

1716
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:39,160
there's only some ways you can do that so if you like heart oh

1717
02:11:39,160 --> 02:11:42,520
did i just break it no it's just i bet you a lot of people are loading this

1718
02:11:42,520 --> 02:11:48,200
right now um if you like hard charge down the board yeah and then just start taking stuff

1719
02:11:48,200 --> 02:11:53,640
it doesn't like react right away but it will react eventually this just

1720
02:11:53,640 --> 02:11:57,160
breaks the game you put their their king in check and it just

1721
02:11:57,160 --> 02:12:05,080
stops working yeah there's other ways that you can break the game where you can take over control of black non programmatically like you play

1722
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:11,480
chess and you like confuse it in a certain way it'll do an illegal move and then because of the illegal move it passes the

1723
02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:17,160
turn order over so you start playing black and the ai starts playing white so like i thought maybe

1724
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:20,280
okay maybe you're supposed to take over black and then win the game is black

1725
02:12:20,280 --> 02:12:26,280
like i tried all these different things it ends up not being that kind of type of stuff but we were working on these puzzles for

1726
02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:32,200
essentially the entire event and that was so cool everyone on the team that

1727
02:12:32,200 --> 02:12:38,680
we're on were super cool to work with it was it was very very fun it was very mentally satisfying getting the answers to

1728
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:41,880
different puzzles that was a blast it wasn't even sort

1729
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:48,280
of remotely what i was expecting defconn to be like cool but it was awesome um another thing that we did was

1730
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:55,480
theo and i uh were a part of a tf2 hacking challenge

1731
02:12:55,480 --> 02:12:59,640
where you have your your team is comprised of two separate units

1732
02:12:59,640 --> 02:13:04,440
you have the players of tf2 yeah and then you have a hacking group

1733
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:08,680
and both sides help each other and the score of each individual component of

1734
02:13:08,680 --> 02:13:16,680
your team contributes into one pool of points so like by winning tf2 rounds yeah you gain score and you gain like tokens

1735
02:13:16,680 --> 02:13:20,280
and the tokens can be spent to get hints for the hacking team

1736
02:13:20,280 --> 02:13:23,640
and as the hacking team captures flags effectively

1737
02:13:23,640 --> 02:13:27,640
they gain points that can be spent to give you like power-ups in tf2 like

1738
02:13:27,640 --> 02:13:30,760
crit bonus and all that type of stuff so yeah it's like

1739
02:13:30,760 --> 02:13:35,560
that was super fun okay really really cool event and then we come down to the

1740
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:38,920
badge yeah okay which i don't know how well this is

1741
02:13:38,920 --> 02:13:42,840
gonna you want to jump to loot cam this is the badge for the event so you have

1742
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:46,760
it hanging like this and if i left it here long enough it would go into badge

1743
02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:53,240
mode it's not in badge mode right now um but you can also flip it over

1744
02:13:53,240 --> 02:13:56,680
and it turns into effectively a game boy

1745
02:13:57,320 --> 02:14:02,120
there's there's a new raspberry pi launched on the same day of the first day

1746
02:14:02,120 --> 02:14:06,520
of defcon and it is in here so it has like a new launch

1747
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:11,000
version of a raspberry pi it has a ton of features has an ir sensor

1748
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:15,240
where you can like put your badges together and like transfer across

1749
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:19,560
cool um as an sd card reader there's a bunch of

1750
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:22,600
leds all throughout it that are all individually addressable

1751
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:26,520
yeah so you can set up like color modes for your for your badge

1752
02:14:26,920 --> 02:14:30,600
if i try to get in here for a second oh it's upside down right because you have

1753
02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:35,320
to put it in like game boy mode um they made a game it's gonna be a little bit

1754
02:14:35,320 --> 02:14:39,000
hard to see yep but as this like scrolls through the

1755
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:42,680
game will start and you you can like design your little hacker character

1756
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:46,920
and then you set the date and time and you can go through the defcon convention

1757
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:50,440
hall you start in your hotel room and then you go on the monorail

1758
02:14:50,440 --> 02:14:57,240
and then you end up at the defcon convention hall okay um and depending on the date and time the convention hall is like

1759
02:14:57,240 --> 02:15:03,960
different and there's npcs that you can go and talk to so yeah i'm setting the date here and time i'm picking my little hacker character

1760
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:07,800
i'm trying to make sure the screen should see i'm in my little hotel room now

1761
02:15:07,800 --> 02:15:15,560
that's wild i can interact with how is this a badge for an event yeah

1762
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:20,520
defcon is crazy so i go how many of these did they make on the monorail now

1763
02:15:20,600 --> 02:15:24,040
that is one thing i was going to let people know if they do decide to go to

1764
02:15:24,040 --> 02:15:28,120
defcon in the future i would pre-buy the badge

1765
02:15:28,120 --> 02:15:31,800
because you can buy your ticket at the door but it's not guaranteed that you

1766
02:15:31,800 --> 02:15:35,400
get one of these you might end up with a paper badge that's a thing every time

1767
02:15:35,400 --> 02:15:40,360
uh maybe not this exact level i've seen some past badges that weren't as cool

1768
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:47,480
as this wow but they always have like pretty crazy badges okay um you can you can get into the menus

1769
02:15:47,480 --> 02:15:53,640
and like so on here i can change the led colors

1770
02:15:53,640 --> 02:16:01,720
so let me go to the right cat eye sure and i'm gonna make sure

1771
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:06,200
there okay so i made it green but they're all individually addressable or you

1772
02:16:06,200 --> 02:16:10,040
can do all of them at once that is crazy this is the most i think this is

1773
02:16:10,040 --> 02:16:15,000
probably the most extra thing i have ever seen a lot of things at defcon are

1774
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:21,560
pretty extra um there's yeah yeah

1775
02:16:21,560 --> 02:16:24,920
you can update the firmware on the battery mount i just hooked it in there

1776
02:16:24,920 --> 02:16:28,760
yeah yeah that part some people manually affixed it i haven't taken it apart

1777
02:16:28,760 --> 02:16:32,520
yet yeah okay um you can there's an sd card

1778
02:16:32,520 --> 02:16:36,360
so you can load other like roms for gameboy and you can actually play other

1779
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:42,920
gameboy games because it's gameboy and later because why not people at the conference like this turned into you know how we we took the

1780
02:16:42,920 --> 02:16:46,680
activity of goldbug and that like became our defcon some people took the

1781
02:16:46,680 --> 02:16:49,800
activity of just the badge yeah there's tons of different

1782
02:16:49,800 --> 02:16:53,480
things that could consume your time and some people yeah went for the badge

1783
02:16:53,480 --> 02:16:57,960
and they they they put palmo s on it okay because apparently this is a

1784
02:16:57,960 --> 02:17:01,160
touchscreen no way i mean yeah i don't know if it

1785
02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:06,200
interacts with the gameboy game but but yeah you can you can do i or i saw

1786
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:09,880
people using like a pen to interact with it but yeah

1787
02:17:09,880 --> 02:17:13,320
badges come with entrance fee yeah i think it's a $20

1788
02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:18,200
riser to to buy it like it's $20 more i think to buy the badge ahead of time

1789
02:17:18,200 --> 02:17:21,640
wow i just got a i got a photo for you in the game

1790
02:17:21,640 --> 02:17:25,240
cool yeah all right i got some kind of prize for knowing that the first defcon

1791
02:17:25,240 --> 02:17:30,360
was hosted at sands yeah so it's like it's like it's an

1792
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:34,600
actual game you can save your progress you have inventory of all this stuff

1793
02:17:34,680 --> 02:17:39,720
um let me check my inventory i was in the inventory earlier

1794
02:17:39,720 --> 02:17:45,320
it's on the back whoop whoop uh oh well anyway uh i closed the game oh yeah

1795
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:49,560
that's a that's another point is um everyone's scared everyone scared me

1796
02:17:49,560 --> 02:17:57,960
of like you know you can't bring your devices to the show floor because you'll get hacked and all that kind of stuff so i brought an old Android 12

1797
02:17:57,960 --> 02:18:03,880
non-updated phone just for laws and manually and and so did yeah so did fio

1798
02:18:03,880 --> 02:18:07,000
we didn't plan this ahead of time we just both brought old

1799
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:10,600
not secure phones in an attempt he wants to do it for a video i just wanted to

1800
02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:13,800
do it of curiosity and then i was like hey i mean if we get it to work you can

1801
02:18:13,800 --> 02:18:22,040
use mine in a video you should have taken my phone that honestly would have been pretty funny um and we tried to connect to every

1802
02:18:22,040 --> 02:18:25,480
open wi-fi we possibly could with these old

1803
02:18:25,480 --> 02:18:28,680
unsecure phones just to like see what would happen yeah i'm assuming some

1804
02:18:28,680 --> 02:18:34,600
stuff happened no really yeah they have a like security through

1805
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:38,360
everyone knows that everyone who's here is going to be bulletproof so don't

1806
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:41,560
bother or like what about it like backwards like those would be

1807
02:18:41,560 --> 02:18:45,560
unsecured devices connecting if you do stuff to them they're going to do stuff

1808
02:18:45,560 --> 02:18:49,320
back maybe sandbox you no no no like luke would be

1809
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:54,040
fishing backwards like wanting people to do stuff to my phone and i'll destroy

1810
02:18:54,040 --> 02:18:57,800
you maybe there's a probably a bunch of mind games oh yeah they had a wall of

1811
02:18:57,800 --> 02:19:01,240
like these people have been pwned at the event

1812
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:05,560
and it was like basically for people being silly

1813
02:19:05,560 --> 02:19:09,800
they had some crazy wi-fi security thing where on the secure

1814
02:19:09,800 --> 02:19:13,800
network hosted by the convention itself you had to register your devices

1815
02:19:13,800 --> 02:19:17,400
officially so they could track like individual devices at that level you it

1816
02:19:17,400 --> 02:19:20,520
wasn't just free entry it wasn't just entry with a password

1817
02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:24,360
you like it was wall of sheep is that what it's called yeah

1818
02:19:24,360 --> 02:19:31,480
wall of sheep and it's like if you if you goof and get owned at the event

1819
02:19:31,480 --> 02:19:35,000
but yeah okay what what kaboom pow just said

1820
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:39,080
ends up being i think ultimately it no one's gonna blow a zero day on you

1821
02:19:39,080 --> 02:19:42,680
right so you're like standard devices

1822
02:19:42,680 --> 02:19:45,880
like no one's gonna do something super sophisticated

1823
02:19:45,880 --> 02:19:52,440
at defcon right because what's the huge value there

1824
02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:57,400
but there is other things going on and people do get pwned and there is wi-fi

1825
02:19:57,400 --> 02:20:00,680
networks that are trying to capture you like i noticed uh a trick that people

1826
02:20:00,680 --> 02:20:04,600
were doing was they were trying to set up wi-fi networks that were open that

1827
02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:08,760
had the same ssids that you'd run into at like an airport and stuff like that

1828
02:20:08,760 --> 02:20:12,040
and devices were automatically connecting to it right but i don't think

1829
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:16,280
they were actually doing things super malicious they were just trying to catch

1830
02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:20,520
you to get you on the wall of sheep got it okay like they it was a game

1831
02:20:20,520 --> 02:20:24,520
okay i think i don't know i'm sure i'm sure there's people that go to defcon

1832
02:20:24,520 --> 02:20:29,000
and do things that are bad yeah but like it it didn't seem like actually a huge

1833
02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:35,400
deal so if you're like really scared you know don't do silly things i would highly recommend if you go to the show floor

1834
02:20:35,400 --> 02:20:39,400
with a device manually turn off your wi-fi

1835
02:20:39,400 --> 02:20:42,520
so that just in case you've connected to open networks before and someone tries

1836
02:20:42,520 --> 02:20:46,120
to get you with the like naming a network as the same thing whatever

1837
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:52,920
you're not going to automatically connect to it because your wi-fi is just off and you only go off to sell you the data yeah someone said and bluetooth yeah it's

1838
02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:56,040
a great idea just turn off things that are going to

1839
02:20:56,040 --> 02:21:01,080
automatically connect to networks but yeah it was tons of fun they even have

1840
02:21:01,080 --> 02:21:05,240
a section that's just for like kids to learn how to get into

1841
02:21:05,240 --> 02:21:08,680
security and and testing of different things which is really cool

1842
02:21:08,680 --> 02:21:12,760
they had a lock picking village where they had just like a chain link fence

1843
02:21:12,760 --> 02:21:15,960
with a ton of different locks attached to it and you could try out all these

1844
02:21:15,960 --> 02:21:19,320
different lock picks and and learn from other people there that would teach

1845
02:21:19,320 --> 02:21:22,520
you that's kind of cool it was actually a very

1846
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:26,360
almost like wholesome positive event and i had a ton of fun

1847
02:21:26,360 --> 02:21:29,640
i'm definitely hearing you describe it i'm surprised that this was your first

1848
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:32,920
time yeah i've always wanted to go yeah but no

1849
02:21:32,920 --> 02:21:36,680
one really wanted to go with me and then uh the you and i were both

1850
02:21:36,680 --> 02:21:40,520
thinking of going and thor was like no you guys are coming and it was like

1851
02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:45,320
well all right sounds good do they have social engineering seminars yes they do

1852
02:21:45,320 --> 02:21:50,760
how did you meet people i mean uh most everyone's there for the same reason i

1853
02:21:50,760 --> 02:21:57,720
guess right like yeah and most people that i met while i was there i was planning on meeting unless like thor who introduced us to that

1854
02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:01,160
that group of people that again i don't think they want to be named so i'm

1855
02:22:01,160 --> 02:22:07,000
gonna leave that out but um yeah it was it was it was really sick

1856
02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:10,840
can run doom yeah i'm not surprised people were talking at the event like

1857
02:22:10,840 --> 02:22:13,960
can it run doom and and the consensus of most people was

1858
02:22:13,960 --> 02:22:18,280
yes and it probably already does someone at the event probably made this

1859
02:22:18,280 --> 02:22:21,720
happen already yeah so i'm not surprised there was some

1860
02:22:21,720 --> 02:22:27,240
drama around the badge i don't know all of it

1861
02:22:27,240 --> 02:22:32,760
but i'm not super surprised because i think there was a huge amount of

1862
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:36,760
contributors and to make something this complicated as

1863
02:22:36,760 --> 02:22:40,760
just the badge to an event

1864
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:44,120
i don't know i'm not surprised there were some issues but yeah i don't know

1865
02:22:44,120 --> 02:22:50,520
all the drama stuff but if you want to look it up i as far as i know it's like pretty heavily documented on on reddit and

1866
02:22:50,520 --> 02:22:53,960
other places so you can go figure that out dragon two night in Floatplane

1867
02:22:53,960 --> 02:22:57,160
chat no that sound was my back cracking

1868
02:22:57,160 --> 02:23:01,640
they thought it was a fart oh no i'm just

1869
02:23:01,640 --> 02:23:10,280
um apple yeah apple is making payments more open

1870
02:23:10,280 --> 02:23:15,000
i it's not enough apple needs to do more

1871
02:23:15,000 --> 02:23:18,120
and it doesn't make up for all their past transgressions but i do

1872
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:25,080
like the new i like the new apple i like the apple that is constantly

1873
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:28,760
paranoid about being investigated for antitrust

1874
02:23:28,760 --> 02:23:32,840
because they're being investigated for antitrust in response to the european

1875
02:23:32,840 --> 02:23:35,960
commission's antitrust investigations apple is making a host of changes

1876
02:23:35,960 --> 02:23:40,760
surrounding payments and third-party apps apple is allowing developers

1877
02:23:40,760 --> 02:23:45,400
finally to offer nfc transactions in app using secure element that means users

1878
02:23:45,400 --> 02:23:52,600
can set their double-click side button shortcut to an app that isn't apple pay it also means that third-party apps can use contactless

1879
02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:55,720
transactions for things like hotel room keys or transit passes this is going to

1880
02:23:55,720 --> 02:23:59,720
be an absolute game changer and should have happened

1881
02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:05,560
years ago years so many years ago the fact that it's happening now

1882
02:24:05,560 --> 02:24:11,960
means that apple could have done it anytime they wanted they just decided they didn't want to the apis are open to developers in

1883
02:24:11,960 --> 02:24:15,560
select countries in the iOS 18.1 developer beta

1884
02:24:15,560 --> 02:24:18,920
to use these apis devs will need to enter a commercial agreement with apple and

1885
02:24:18,920 --> 02:24:23,160
pay the associated fees however and that's where the malicious compliance

1886
02:24:23,160 --> 02:24:28,120
comes in probably we'll see um apple has also changed their

1887
02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:31,400
rules surrounding showing pricing and promotions in apps

1888
02:24:31,400 --> 02:24:35,960
developers are now able to inform users of pricing information in the app and

1889
02:24:35,960 --> 02:24:42,920
they can make purchases directly from the location of their choosing be that another app store website etc by applying for an entitlement that

1890
02:24:42,920 --> 02:24:46,760
apple can approve or deny based on their terms and conditions however

1891
02:24:46,760 --> 02:24:49,880
should an app link to an external payment platform while using this

1892
02:24:49,880 --> 02:24:53,960
entitlement they will be subject to a store services fee explained by the

1893
02:24:53,960 --> 02:24:58,920
verge um blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

1894
02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:02,520
basically it's a fee uh in addition to that there's a five percent

1895
02:25:02,520 --> 02:25:11,160
initial acquisition fee that applies under the same terms so this is this is apple complying without

1896
02:25:11,160 --> 02:25:17,720
in good faith just dealing with the fact that this is not gonna last

1897
02:25:17,720 --> 02:25:22,520
you you are not you're it's not gonna it's not gonna keep lasting you guys

1898
02:25:23,080 --> 02:25:26,440
there was the whole drama this week this actually isn't in our isn't in our

1899
02:25:26,440 --> 02:25:32,360
notes but there was the whole drama this week where patreon is apparently going to be stuck paying the 30%

1900
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:36,120
fee on everything that goes through patreon which compared to patreon's own

1901
02:25:36,120 --> 02:25:39,400
take no no um oh what are the details there

1902
02:25:39,400 --> 02:25:44,680
patreon is actually i think it's well they're offering the option for

1903
02:25:44,680 --> 02:25:50,760
unreasonable how they're dealing with it yeah is there they're offering the option for the creator to eat it

1904
02:25:50,840 --> 02:25:55,000
or for the creator to pass it on to the user i don't think patreon in any case

1905
02:25:55,000 --> 02:25:58,040
is eating it no i shouldn't say patreon is eating it that's incorrect

1906
02:25:58,040 --> 02:26:03,720
because patreon only takes eight percent of the gross so it wouldn't make any sense yeah i believe that's their cut

1907
02:26:03,720 --> 02:26:07,720
yeah but basically apple is demanding 30%

1908
02:26:07,720 --> 02:26:11,480
of patreon contributions which is ridiculous and we've talked extensively

1909
02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:18,040
in the past about how the Floatplane model which is very similar to the patreon model is completely untenable it gets

1910
02:26:18,040 --> 02:26:21,320
dunked if you take 30 with a 30 take we don't

1911
02:26:21,320 --> 02:26:24,600
have 30 for you to take from us it doesn't

1912
02:26:24,600 --> 02:26:28,200
it doesn't make any sense this is this is direct funding

1913
02:26:28,200 --> 02:26:32,440
for creators and so if you're taking if you're taking that kind of cut out of

1914
02:26:32,440 --> 02:26:38,760
it as a platform like like a device platform

1915
02:26:38,760 --> 02:26:42,360
it's not manageable yeah so some people are pointing out like other platforms

1916
02:26:42,360 --> 02:26:45,960
that people could use and stuff honestly i don't think there's a better way

1917
02:26:45,960 --> 02:26:49,880
that patreon could have handled this just subscribe online

1918
02:26:49,880 --> 02:26:56,360
through the web through the web yeah just subscribe through a web browser and i'm pretty i'm i don't have the patreon app on my

1919
02:26:56,360 --> 02:27:01,720
phone but i'm going to assume that if you subscribe through the web you can still access their stuff on mobile like just just do it that way

1920
02:27:01,720 --> 02:27:05,640
i think the the easiest way to do it is for creators that are offered this

1921
02:27:05,640 --> 02:27:09,400
option to pass it forward to the users and then

1922
02:27:09,400 --> 02:27:14,680
hopefully the users will see that and just go subscribe on the web

1923
02:27:14,680 --> 02:27:23,800
because i i don't think it's you know great for the creators to have to eat that percentage either so it is what it is

1924
02:27:27,000 --> 02:27:31,720
whoa what is this google's team pixel program

1925
02:27:31,720 --> 02:27:37,880
was changed to require that influencers be biased towards google

1926
02:27:37,880 --> 02:27:41,800
screenshots leaked from a member of google's team pixel

1927
02:27:41,800 --> 02:27:45,080
influencer program i've never even heard of this yeah

1928
02:27:45,080 --> 02:27:48,680
showing a google form requiring the user to agree

1929
02:27:48,680 --> 02:27:53,720
to preferential coverage for the pixel oh look at this

1930
02:27:53,720 --> 02:27:57,080
by opting into this program do you acknowledge that you are expected to

1931
02:27:57,080 --> 02:28:01,640
feature the google pixel device in place of any competitor mobile devices

1932
02:28:01,640 --> 02:28:04,840
please note that if it appears other brands are being preferred over the

1933
02:28:04,840 --> 02:28:11,160
pixel we will need to cease the relationship between the brand and the creator yes acknowledge our people this is interpreting this looks fake

1934
02:28:11,160 --> 02:28:14,200
almost well that's just a google form google no i know what i know what a

1935
02:28:14,200 --> 02:28:18,760
google form looks like i just mean like like this seems so

1936
02:28:18,760 --> 02:28:23,160
um this seems like something that you'd be too smart

1937
02:28:23,160 --> 02:28:27,640
to put in black and white you know like apple never says this outright but is

1938
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:30,920
this like we've we've both never even heard of this is this something that

1939
02:28:30,920 --> 02:28:36,840
they're doing for reviewers i don't think so i don't think it's for it seems like a product placement agreement which wouldn't that make

1940
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:40,520
sense i mean i feel like this is a very unpopular opinion it would help

1941
02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:45,480
prevent those really embarrassing uh i love my wobbly whatever exactly sent

1942
02:28:45,480 --> 02:28:49,320
from my iphone situations like i i don't think this is a reviewer thing

1943
02:28:49,320 --> 02:28:54,600
what is team pixel does anyone know what team pixel is i looked up team pixel

1944
02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:58,840
and i found a google blog article that doesn't make any sense at all

1945
02:28:58,840 --> 02:29:02,920
it's just about like hashtag team pixel and it's if you take photos

1946
02:29:02,920 --> 02:29:09,000
but i don't think this is it uh that seeds early units to influencers and

1947
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:13,080
super fans to drum up interest as brand ambassadors

1948
02:29:13,080 --> 02:29:16,440
okay so these are not reviewers brand ambassadors it's not for reviewers this

1949
02:29:16,440 --> 02:29:21,640
is a totally different thing okay yeah if you're supposed to be a brand ambassador then you should probably you're a complete

1950
02:29:21,640 --> 02:29:25,320
idiot if you're gonna like show off show off an iphone

1951
02:29:25,320 --> 02:29:32,600
predator products more often than the brand that you're supposed to be the ambassador for um however okay i think it's the

1952
02:29:32,600 --> 02:29:36,520
change that people are are upset about okay because the program's previous

1953
02:29:36,520 --> 02:29:40,280
terms which listed no specific expectations

1954
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:44,040
also said that member content should always be truthful accurate and

1955
02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:47,560
reflect your honest opinions and experiences what does it say now

1956
02:29:47,560 --> 02:29:51,320
um but i don't know that we have the entire survey necessarily we just have

1957
02:29:51,320 --> 02:29:57,000
that one question picture um it says now by opting into

1958
02:29:57,000 --> 02:30:02,840
this program do you acknowledge that you're expected to feature the google pixel device in place of any competitor mobile devices please note

1959
02:30:02,840 --> 02:30:10,120
that if it appears other brands are being preferred yeah again though if you're a brand ambassador that makes sense

1960
02:30:10,600 --> 02:30:14,520
um reviewers are joining team pixel as well

1961
02:30:14,520 --> 02:30:18,920
oh well i mean that's a huge problem yes that's like

1962
02:30:18,920 --> 02:30:24,200
obviously and objectively a huge problem uh yeah

1963
02:30:24,920 --> 02:30:28,600
i i've never even heard of the thing so i don't know that seems like a separate

1964
02:30:28,600 --> 02:30:32,120
problem though yeah either way google gave the following statement to Android

1965
02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:36,280
police team pixel is a distinct program separate from our press and creator

1966
02:30:36,280 --> 02:30:42,520
reviews programs the goal of team pixels to get pixel devices into the hands of content creators not press and tech reviewers

1967
02:30:42,520 --> 02:30:48,200
we missed the mark with this new language that appeared in the team pixel form yesterday and it has been removed okay okay

1968
02:30:48,200 --> 02:30:52,040
now why was the oh man how did this end up as that main news topic

1969
02:30:52,040 --> 02:30:58,120
the ftc says no to fake reviews they have now finalized their rules banning

1970
02:30:58,120 --> 02:31:01,560
fake reviews online after spending almost two years working on them

1971
02:31:01,560 --> 02:31:05,160
the full text is in the ftc statement but pc world has summarized the rules like

1972
02:31:05,160 --> 02:31:08,440
this no reviews or testimonials from people who

1973
02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:11,480
don't exist that's going to eliminate a lot of them

1974
02:31:11,480 --> 02:31:17,400
no buying reviews of any kind positive or negative i actually kind of love this

1975
02:31:17,400 --> 02:31:24,040
so this is great does this mean that programs um where you like get the thing on amazon and it comes with like uh

1976
02:31:24,040 --> 02:31:27,560
like a voucher and if you post a review they'll like give you something

1977
02:31:27,560 --> 02:31:30,520
like is that can that just go away now hopefully

1978
02:31:30,680 --> 02:31:34,440
um a lot of this like was this not already illegal

1979
02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:39,560
well apparently not even like you kind of remember the ftc is not necessarily

1980
02:31:39,560 --> 02:31:43,720
doesn't have necessarily much fangs depending on what the thing is and in

1981
02:31:43,720 --> 02:31:49,880
fact they've kind of been their powers kind of been eroded lately um which is if this is what they're up to

1982
02:31:49,880 --> 02:31:53,240
that's a really bad thing um for them to not be able to enforce this stuff i

1983
02:31:53,240 --> 02:31:59,560
don't know what enforcement's going to look like but here let's get through the rest of it um no reviews from company insiders

1984
02:31:59,560 --> 02:32:03,800
like yeah obviously no fake review sites

1985
02:32:03,800 --> 02:32:07,480
oh interesting how do we define that though that is very interesting because

1986
02:32:07,480 --> 02:32:12,520
we had that whole conversation around um air purifiers a while back

1987
02:32:12,520 --> 02:32:16,920
and how house fresh or whatever yeah yeah so house fresh to be clear is not the

1988
02:32:16,920 --> 02:32:22,360
fake one no they're cool house house fresh blog here hold on a second i'm gonna see if i can find it these guys

1989
02:32:22,360 --> 02:32:26,280
um yeah yeah here we go here we go here we go uh how google's killing

1990
02:32:26,280 --> 02:32:30,200
independent sites like ours and basically they talk about how

1991
02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:33,320
no one's ever tested any of these air purifiers

1992
02:32:33,320 --> 02:32:36,840
but these large media companies have enormous

1993
02:32:36,840 --> 02:32:41,160
seo capabilities and relationships that allow them to surface their

1994
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:45,400
nonsense listicles above folks who are actually

1995
02:32:45,400 --> 02:32:49,000
testing aircute purifiers and dehumidifiers properly

1996
02:32:49,000 --> 02:32:52,440
um and it's like it's like a whole problem it's like it's a deep rabbit hole

1997
02:32:52,440 --> 02:32:57,640
but it's worth it to read that blog post because you'll be like oh my god i can't trust anything but hey at

1998
02:32:57,640 --> 02:33:00,840
least you'll at least you'll know that at least you'll know that

1999
02:33:00,840 --> 02:33:04,440
i mean i would say that something that sounds like a review from someone who's

2000
02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:07,960
never touched the product is a fake review completely personally i don't

2001
02:33:07,960 --> 02:33:13,080
know if that falls under this but should no review suppression

2002
02:33:13,080 --> 02:33:17,080
now that's interesting remember remember when logitech

2003
02:33:17,080 --> 02:33:21,320
was uh blocking reviews on the gcloud

2004
02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:24,760
if they were negative display reviews on your site

2005
02:33:24,760 --> 02:33:28,200
i don't know i mean look i haven't i haven't read this yet like as we don't

2006
02:33:28,200 --> 02:33:32,280
know we take a principled approach to our reviews on our site the only

2007
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:37,000
things that we filter for are like harmful language hate speech

2008
02:33:37,000 --> 02:33:40,840
things things that are obvious and nothing to do with people's

2009
02:33:40,840 --> 02:33:45,560
critical feedback on the product uh-oh what no we're not having another cut

2010
02:33:45,560 --> 02:33:48,680
open the bottom of the backpack moment are we you screen all the reviews

2011
02:33:48,680 --> 02:33:52,200
personally don't you yeah yeah that's that's what you're paying that's Dan's

2012
02:33:52,200 --> 02:33:57,400
other job oh no no no look where you're exposed to say all you

2013
02:33:57,400 --> 02:34:01,320
did was disappear what do you mean look no i said look

2014
02:34:01,320 --> 02:34:04,920
protect me yeah yeah i got him uh Dan has never seen a review in his life

2015
02:34:04,920 --> 02:34:08,680
actually he doesn't even know what they are um i'm impartial

2016
02:34:08,680 --> 02:34:12,200
no we the the only thing that i'm worried about is with with no review

2017
02:34:12,200 --> 02:34:16,120
suppression is would you have to leave that stuff up

2018
02:34:16,120 --> 02:34:21,880
i certainly hope not i hope not as well um but that gets interesting because

2019
02:34:21,880 --> 02:34:27,080
like where is the how do you define

2020
02:34:27,080 --> 02:34:33,080
where the line is there i don't know but apparently the maximum

2021
02:34:33,080 --> 02:34:37,400
civil penalty is fifty one thousand seven hundred forty four dollars

2022
02:34:37,400 --> 02:34:41,800
per violation uh the last rule is no buying or selling

2023
02:34:41,800 --> 02:34:48,200
fake followers or fake views good then ricks in full plane chat says

2024
02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:52,600
yelp tries to extort business owners to have negative reviews buried oh dude

2025
02:34:52,600 --> 02:34:57,400
men um back when i was working in n c i x um i have no idea if this is

2026
02:34:57,400 --> 02:35:00,680
still the case or whatever whatever whatever whatever whatever

2027
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:06,440
but what i can talk about is the experience we had then do you know reseller ratings dot com no oh okay well reseller ratings

2028
02:35:06,440 --> 02:35:11,160
dot com either is or was um like a third party review site like kind

2029
02:35:11,160 --> 02:35:16,120
of a like an independent um better business bureau type thing

2030
02:35:16,120 --> 02:35:19,720
and basically the only way that you could respond

2031
02:35:19,720 --> 02:35:25,160
to reviews was to pay an extortionate amount of money to them that's their

2032
02:35:25,160 --> 02:35:29,400
entire model is they collect negative reviews

2033
02:35:29,400 --> 02:35:33,880
and essentially use them as leverage to make you pay

2034
02:35:33,880 --> 02:35:39,640
to be able to make them go away um yeah so that was a whole that was a whole

2035
02:35:39,640 --> 02:35:45,720
thing that's rough yeah yeah uh i'm gonna have to

2036
02:35:45,720 --> 02:35:50,680
go in like a few minutes here fine be uncool

2037
02:35:50,680 --> 02:35:58,360
you know he hasn't played super checks with me in weeks months a little loser i could i could call back in if you want though

2038
02:35:58,360 --> 02:36:02,360
it's up to you yeah maybe i'm over you wow wow wow by yourself

2039
02:36:02,360 --> 02:36:06,280
uh oh this is cool uh steam os 3.6.9 beta notes

2040
02:36:06,280 --> 02:36:10,040
including included added support for extra

2041
02:36:10,040 --> 02:36:15,480
ROG ally keys valves lorenz yang confirms they've been working on ally

2042
02:36:15,480 --> 02:36:19,320
support with additional handhelds to come the steam deck twitter account

2043
02:36:19,320 --> 02:36:22,680
also announced official Windows support for the steam deck OLED

2044
02:36:22,680 --> 02:36:26,680
um at the apu audio wi-fi and bluetooth drivers were linked in the tweet

2045
02:36:26,680 --> 02:36:33,720
and drivers for the original lcd version are also available that's it there's nothing to really discuss here other than that's super cool

2046
02:36:34,120 --> 02:36:37,400
what is this battlefield thing here does anyone care about this the largest

2047
02:36:37,400 --> 02:36:40,520
field for battlefield i don't know i don't know anything

2048
02:36:40,520 --> 02:36:43,880
about it uh okay i'm gonna close that then i don't

2049
02:36:43,880 --> 02:36:49,960
think i care about that i haven't cared about battlefield in a long time i just keep releasing releasing worse and worse games

2050
02:36:49,960 --> 02:36:53,320
another long-running site comes to an end autoblog

2051
02:36:53,320 --> 02:36:57,240
is done after recently celebrating their 20th anniversary

2052
02:36:57,240 --> 02:37:00,760
uh employees were told the site had been sold off and september 13th will be

2053
02:37:00,760 --> 02:37:03,960
the final day for autoblog in its current form

2054
02:37:03,960 --> 02:37:10,280
this seems to have happened around the same time that game informer was abruptly shut down by game stop autoblog has been sold to arena group who

2055
02:37:10,280 --> 02:37:13,640
used to publish sports illustrated this is really interesting and actually

2056
02:37:13,640 --> 02:37:17,160
ties into that air purifier story that you guys should go look up house fresh

2057
02:37:17,160 --> 02:37:20,760
dot com uh and then the how google is killing

2058
02:37:20,760 --> 02:37:24,040
independent site lists like ours because you might ask yourself hey well if

2059
02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:27,400
they're acquiring autoblog why aren't they necessarily going to keep all the

2060
02:37:27,400 --> 02:37:35,480
employees like how are they going to publish articles these guys get into it how what these groups do is they buy recognized brands

2061
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:39,080
uh media brands and then they just pump out ai

2062
02:37:39,080 --> 02:37:43,800
assisted garbage um based on never having actually tried anything

2063
02:37:43,800 --> 02:37:49,240
and um just kind of ride it into the ground and then they go find another one

2064
02:37:49,240 --> 02:37:53,080
pretty gross uh i don't know that arena group does that

2065
02:37:53,080 --> 02:37:58,520
oh here we go okay yep no yep okay arena group during their stint licensing the

2066
02:37:58,520 --> 02:38:02,200
sports illustrated name use the brand and at least one publication they own

2067
02:38:02,200 --> 02:38:06,120
the street to publish ai generated articles that were credited to fake

2068
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:10,440
ai generated people sick

2069
02:38:10,440 --> 02:38:14,760
good job and that's it for our topic so um

2070
02:38:14,760 --> 02:38:17,880
it's after dark which means i guess you can go anytime you want or you can be

2071
02:38:17,880 --> 02:38:21,480
cool and hang out with us no i'm i have to i know i he has he actually has

2072
02:38:21,480 --> 02:38:28,760
something important to do i just i just like grinding his gears i'm breaking his balls grinding his balls in my gears wait

2073
02:38:28,760 --> 02:38:34,840
squeezing his i got a merch message here for luke

2074
02:38:34,840 --> 02:38:42,520
if you uh if you want cognitive behavioral torture

2075
02:38:42,520 --> 02:38:46,040
i've got a few minutes we can do it uh i miss watching your old streams on

2076
02:38:46,040 --> 02:38:49,320
classic wow i was like yeah why do you never stream anymore

2077
02:38:49,320 --> 02:38:53,080
i was the shammy that joined your guild is a Floatplane

2078
02:38:53,400 --> 02:38:58,200
do you plan on playing the war within i didn't have a guild called Floatplane

2079
02:38:58,200 --> 02:39:02,280
who did you play with no i think he joined as Floatplane

2080
02:39:02,280 --> 02:39:08,680
oh okay cool yeah um why did you say war with no i i'm not interested in new

2081
02:39:08,680 --> 02:39:12,200
wow stuff um got it in regards to game streaming in

2082
02:39:12,200 --> 02:39:16,840
general though uh my my roommate has moved out so

2083
02:39:16,840 --> 02:39:20,280
eventually where the computer we have to do some renovation stuff did your

2084
02:39:20,440 --> 02:39:25,000
roommate come get their stuff yet yeah nice it's finally gone it took like

2085
02:39:25,000 --> 02:39:31,240
months anyways that's fine um uh it's we need to do some renovation

2086
02:39:31,240 --> 02:39:37,880
things now that he's gone one of the reasons that we couldn't do them previously was because um we didn't want to burden people

2087
02:39:37,880 --> 02:39:42,120
with leaving our our birds at their place especially because

2088
02:39:42,120 --> 02:39:45,640
they die so incredibly easily and i don't want people to

2089
02:39:45,640 --> 02:39:48,760
are you starting to wonder if like your birds dying

2090
02:39:48,760 --> 02:39:53,640
is like uh don't even you can stop there that could that could end

2091
02:39:53,640 --> 02:39:58,920
immediately um anyways so but by having by having the roommate

2092
02:39:58,920 --> 02:40:02,840
i'm just saying he eats a lot of chicken next oh my god

2093
02:40:02,840 --> 02:40:06,920
um they they weigh 30 grams each and you know i think about how much that is

2094
02:40:06,920 --> 02:40:12,520
like feathers and you're watching your weight right oh my goodness um

2095
02:40:13,400 --> 02:40:17,720
Dan you know we're not funny right like we're not even a little bit funny

2096
02:40:18,680 --> 02:40:22,200
i think it's just bullying like i think this is just

2097
02:40:23,640 --> 02:40:27,080
it's just being mean at this point i think that's okay i'm sorry

2098
02:40:27,080 --> 02:40:28,760
you're not i'm eating humble pie

2099
02:40:32,280 --> 02:40:33,640
you're eating like smug pie

2100
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:40,760
yeah you you hacked me well i'm gonna sell shirts about it

2101
02:40:42,760 --> 02:40:46,440
i don't even i'm just gonna give the money away no we're giving the money away

2102
02:40:47,400 --> 02:40:52,680
i'm eating a whole pie i have a member a member of staff and it's not my first time

2103
02:40:55,800 --> 02:41:00,200
anyways um yeah now that now that he's out we can like

2104
02:41:00,200 --> 02:41:05,000
seal off an area and work on it and have the birds separated from that area so

2105
02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:08,440
they don't get like dry dry well dust and yada yada yada

2106
02:41:08,440 --> 02:41:12,120
um so now we can finally do things that we've needed to do for a while

2107
02:41:12,120 --> 02:41:16,120
and then once that's done we're gonna move our desks into that other room

2108
02:41:16,120 --> 02:41:19,400
so now i can stream without being in the middle of the house

2109
02:41:19,400 --> 02:41:22,600
with the mic picking up anything that you do and if you want to move around

2110
02:41:22,600 --> 02:41:27,960
almost at all needing to go on camera um so it won't be like basically just rude

2111
02:41:27,960 --> 02:41:30,920
for me to stream um and then the plan is to start streaming again

2112
02:41:31,480 --> 02:41:34,520
but i also don't play as many games as i used to so it's not going to be as

2113
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:37,800
frequent as it used to but i still want to stream sometimes yeah

2114
02:41:37,800 --> 02:41:39,800
yeah

2115
02:41:40,840 --> 02:41:43,880
looked purple i thought maybe i pulled a jackhorner

2116
02:41:46,040 --> 02:41:49,240
look go home we don't want you anymore yeah i think it is about that time

2117
02:41:50,680 --> 02:41:54,120
i don't know i'd like to see six maybe i should stream the end of it

2118
02:41:54,120 --> 02:41:55,800
maybe you should get to the end of it

2119
02:42:00,760 --> 02:42:06,840
yeah you leave you leave oh look you walk away oh there's no you still can

2120
02:42:06,840 --> 02:42:13,480
there's no recovering from that 98 percent of his body is covered in third degree burns

2121
02:42:15,800 --> 02:42:19,000
oh my goodness i would say i'll play it this weekend but it's probably not gonna happen

2122
02:42:19,000 --> 02:42:23,080
yeah i know i know it's not gonna happen all right it's me and Dan now lying to everyone

2123
02:42:23,080 --> 02:42:29,080
what's up Dan hi just waiting for you yeah i can call back in if you want some of you

2124
02:42:29,720 --> 02:42:36,200
you want what can i recall back in if you want some of you oh i mean you have to call back in to say bye oh yeah we can call them then

2125
02:42:36,200 --> 02:42:40,440
that's legally required yeah don't worry luke we've only got a handful of merch messages that

2126
02:42:40,440 --> 02:42:46,200
Dan curated he apparently replied to the rest of them what a what a guy what an absolute chad

2127
02:42:47,000 --> 02:42:52,600
yeah i'm talking about your keyboard yeah well yeah mad build it for me it's got silent keycaps

2128
02:42:52,600 --> 02:42:58,920
that keyboard man it it takes a pounding you know yeah like my self-esteem here

2129
02:42:59,880 --> 02:43:05,800
hey yo hey lld i love the d google video with the internet becoming more and more subscription

2130
02:43:05,800 --> 02:43:11,320
based and personal info farms is their way to make your own internet at home streaming chat wiki

2131
02:43:11,320 --> 02:43:17,560
etc i mean i've definitely heard of projects where people have backed up substantial portions of the

2132
02:43:17,560 --> 02:43:22,440
internet i mean archive.org is obviously an example of that and there'd be no reason that you couldn't

2133
02:43:23,400 --> 02:43:36,200
you couldn't host content locally and then configure um yeah it's it's it would be woefully

2134
02:43:36,200 --> 02:43:43,240
impractical for an individual but i know that there are i know that there are companies that do

2135
02:43:43,960 --> 02:43:51,640
some at least some significant caching of internet resources um Dan can you think of a practical

2136
02:43:51,640 --> 02:43:57,160
reason to do that like streaming no no you wouldn't be able to stream except to anyone and there'd

2137
02:43:57,160 --> 02:44:03,240
be like an intranet on that point it's not it's not the internet anymore um i i do know of some

2138
02:44:03,240 --> 02:44:07,320
like you know cities or countries that have those kinds of underground

2139
02:44:07,320 --> 02:44:11,720
internet and things like that but yeah it would be an internet but then wouldn't that just be

2140
02:44:11,720 --> 02:44:20,120
what the internet is as well you know just a smaller one i know that um a lot of isps have

2141
02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:27,400
clauses where you're not allowed to share your internet with your neighbors yeah but in this case

2142
02:44:28,040 --> 02:44:33,480
like it would be yeah you'd have to have um but somebody would need to have an entry point i know

2143
02:44:33,480 --> 02:44:41,000
that there's i think it's in cuba where they have like a usb stick almost streaming service

2144
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:46,200
where everybody just yeah sneaker net yeah something like that yeah yeah there would be

2145
02:44:46,200 --> 02:44:50,440
there would definitely be limitations to something like this but absolutely it is it

2146
02:44:50,440 --> 02:44:55,720
is the kind of thing that could be built but the thing you gotta understand is if your issue is

2147
02:44:55,720 --> 02:45:02,360
everything being like subscription based there'd be a cost to you know hosting and distributing

2148
02:45:02,360 --> 02:45:08,520
all of this and and and so people would have to subscribe to your they would have to buy into

2149
02:45:08,520 --> 02:45:12,440
the system so it would be like we got to get your own point to point link and buy all these

2150
02:45:12,440 --> 02:45:16,520
servers and then all of a sudden you've just built another internet you've xkcd standards

2151
02:45:17,240 --> 02:45:22,520
standards dit and then you could brand it yeah exactly oh no you could sell it as an mlm if you

2152
02:45:22,520 --> 02:45:27,560
get four people on the network we'll move you up to gold tier and like and then you can have four

2153
02:45:27,560 --> 02:45:34,200
k movies can you try to be ever so slightly less full dystopia all the time it's it's the only thing

2154
02:45:34,200 --> 02:45:39,960
that lives in my mind is how much worse our society could be and every day i'm proved right

2155
02:45:39,960 --> 02:45:45,320
okay good job Dan what else do we have today also why am i sitting why am i sitting here the

2156
02:45:45,320 --> 02:45:50,680
only one on camera you you ruined all my stuff you i had i here i was like this there sorry now

2157
02:45:50,680 --> 02:45:56,760
Dan's on the show okay cool let's see what else do we have it looks like you uh you close that one

2158
02:45:56,760 --> 02:46:02,520
my bank blocks all international charges i asked them to unblock a subscription i was told they

2159
02:46:02,520 --> 02:46:08,360
unblock for three months because they unblock the entire country have you all seen any terrible

2160
02:46:08,360 --> 02:46:13,800
security oh dude one of my favorites is uh some of my information was compromised a while back

2161
02:46:13,800 --> 02:46:20,680
and i forget whether it was equifax or one of the other ones um but i had to sign up for credit

2162
02:46:20,680 --> 02:46:26,600
monitoring and basically i was blown away to discover that at the time i don't know if they

2163
02:46:26,600 --> 02:46:35,800
do now but at the time they didn't support two-factor authentication didn't support it i

2164
02:46:35,800 --> 02:46:41,640
literally was on the phone with customer service i linked them to a blog post from their own website

2165
02:46:41,640 --> 02:46:47,880
on the importance of two-factor authentication and i was like you guys don't have this how is this

2166
02:46:47,880 --> 02:46:55,320
even possible and they're like is there anything else i can help you with absolutely blew my mind

2167
02:46:56,360 --> 02:47:00,760
i think that's probably the worst one that i've ever seen given the industry that they're in

2168
02:47:00,840 --> 02:47:04,600
and given their company's obvious awareness of the importance of it

2169
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:12,200
honestly i actually know i've got more the fact that social security numbers and the

2170
02:47:12,200 --> 02:47:17,240
equivalent here which is your sin number your social insurance number the fact that those

2171
02:47:17,240 --> 02:47:27,000
cannot be changed or can be changed but with a great deal of effort is mind blowing to me

2172
02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:32,200
especially given that we've known for so many years now for so many decades now

2173
02:47:32,200 --> 02:47:37,880
that they with the number of people and organizations that you have to give them out to just

2174
02:47:38,440 --> 02:47:43,960
to function as an adult they cannot be considered proprietary information that only you know

2175
02:47:45,960 --> 02:47:48,840
i i don't get it i don't i don't get that at all

2176
02:47:49,080 --> 02:47:58,280
hey dll why haven't we seen more cam2 in laptop since g uh j e d e c what would you call it jdc

2177
02:47:58,280 --> 02:48:04,440
jdc uh officialized it last year also you ever think one of the big GPU vendors would

2178
02:48:05,000 --> 02:48:10,600
ever try kind of cam implementation uh no gpus are never going back to

2179
02:48:11,160 --> 02:48:18,360
upgradeable memory there's um it's not in it it's not a conspiracy theory it's not an invention of

2180
02:48:18,360 --> 02:48:26,760
you know big pcb manufacturer that um you can run memory at higher interface speeds if you

2181
02:48:26,760 --> 02:48:30,840
bring it closer and closer and closer to the die and at the speeds that we're running at now

2182
02:48:30,840 --> 02:48:36,920
the shorter you can get those interconnects uh the the more the more the better the signaling is

2183
02:48:36,920 --> 02:48:42,600
and so that's the that's the main reason along with the fact that the vast majority of people

2184
02:48:42,600 --> 02:48:50,200
didn't take advantage of it that they moved away from upgradeable vram on gpus um it just it wasn't

2185
02:48:50,200 --> 02:48:57,000
practical anymore and so back to cam2 and laptops compared to soldering directly to the motherboard

2186
02:48:57,560 --> 02:49:03,080
it's even though it's no worse than sodium it's still worse than soldering directly to the board

2187
02:49:03,080 --> 02:49:09,720
from a thickness standpoint and even though the signaling makes up for the um the limitations of

2188
02:49:09,720 --> 02:49:13,720
sodium that have kept us from going beyond i think it's 5600 megatrends per second not a lot

2189
02:49:14,600 --> 02:49:19,000
at something like that and they've gone way beyond that in some laptop designs by moving the

2190
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:23,800
moving the memory either onto the board or even onto the package like what apple's been doing

2191
02:49:25,160 --> 02:49:30,520
it's still not as good as being on the board right next to the CPU and GPU for that matter

2192
02:49:30,840 --> 02:49:35,160
um depending on the kind of memory i think you're talking about CPU memory so next to the CPU

2193
02:49:35,160 --> 02:49:43,800
or being right on the package so i don't know i don't know how much momentum cam2 is or isn't

2194
02:49:43,800 --> 02:49:49,560
going to gain i mean i know Lenovo has that one mobile workstation i'm hoping for the best

2195
02:49:51,400 --> 02:49:58,360
but um this this actually was a this was kind of a a controversial point back when we did our

2196
02:49:59,080 --> 02:50:07,560
what is it strict's point whatever Ryzen ai 300 review and i said that right now AMD does not have

2197
02:50:07,560 --> 02:50:15,960
support for uh for non-soldered memory and i i can't say anymore people people said look hey it

2198
02:50:15,960 --> 02:50:26,520
says on their site uh that they support it um no note okay i'll say i'll say this note that there

2199
02:50:26,520 --> 02:50:37,400
isn't a single laptop design that has so dim memory note that just note it that's all um can't

2200
02:50:37,400 --> 02:50:44,840
really say more i work is a drywall taper i'm wondering if Linus has any horror stories dealing

2201
02:50:44,840 --> 02:50:50,600
with drywallers at your job as a painter i've seen some bad drywall jobs and felt bad for you guys

2202
02:50:50,600 --> 02:50:57,000
love the show i mean every construction project that we've ever done

2203
02:50:57,640 --> 02:51:04,200
has had some really questionable drywall work done overall i think the vast majority of the

2204
02:51:04,200 --> 02:51:09,560
people we've ever worked with have been industrious and tidy at least as much as you can be when your

2205
02:51:09,560 --> 02:51:17,240
entire job is to put mud on things and create dust you know but it only takes sort of one careless

2206
02:51:17,240 --> 02:51:21,880
person to just kind of slop something together and go ah good enough i mean it's not like it's

2207
02:51:21,880 --> 02:51:31,000
my building uh to create problems um i'd say one of the funniest ones that i saw recently was in

2208
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:37,160
the call me chris upgrades so you can actually i think it's in the last part where i or no oh

2209
02:51:37,160 --> 02:51:42,360
it's in the i think it's in the Floatplane exclusive where i go after the shoddy craftsmanship

2210
02:51:42,360 --> 02:51:48,040
of the of the drywalling at her place and just how bad her paint job is both because the paint job

2211
02:51:48,040 --> 02:51:55,720
is bad and because the drywalling under it is terrible at two for one a yeah hi guys given

2212
02:51:55,720 --> 02:52:00,920
how divisive some products can be are there any tech products that everyone seems to hate but

2213
02:52:00,920 --> 02:52:06,200
that you guys actually like what do you think Dan you got anything on this one i was trying to think

2214
02:52:06,200 --> 02:52:11,080
of something because i feel like it's going to be a cop out for me to just say ps portal again

2215
02:52:12,040 --> 02:52:16,520
and to be clear i don't actually like the ps portal i didn't buy one i don't even have a

2216
02:52:16,520 --> 02:52:23,960
playstation um but everyone seems to hate it and it was very clear to me as someone who really

2217
02:52:23,960 --> 02:52:30,760
liked the NVIDIA shield and as someone who likes game streaming in general that it um

2218
02:52:31,000 --> 02:52:41,720
um that it that it clearly had a use it clearly had uh had a target audience that um that would

2219
02:52:41,720 --> 02:52:47,400
be very passionate about it and people didn't really seem to people didn't really seem to agree

2220
02:52:48,840 --> 02:52:52,520
i don't know Dan you you got anything like what is it what does everyone what does everyone hate

2221
02:52:52,520 --> 02:52:59,000
i mean i liked vista which is yes yeah i'm gonna come over there yeah there we go

2222
02:52:59,800 --> 02:53:05,480
no uh the camera's backwards yeah there you go yeah exactly uh no i can't think of anything

2223
02:53:05,480 --> 02:53:13,160
that like everyone seems to hate seems like everybody like likes everything was the call

2224
02:53:13,160 --> 02:53:20,040
me chris collab three years ago no i was oh my god yeah i've nearly been here three years now

2225
02:53:20,280 --> 02:53:33,640
seriously oh god well okay next up uh anywho did you guys check into doing a collaboration

2226
02:53:33,640 --> 02:53:39,800
with edison motors you talked about trying after the hubble with that grant they didn't get under

2227
02:53:39,800 --> 02:53:47,320
unusual circumstances no it was only two years ago oh geez phaser killing me here okay cool um

2228
02:53:47,320 --> 02:53:54,360
um i think we might have something going but i don't want to promise anything because i'm not

2229
02:53:54,360 --> 02:54:00,280
the one dealing with it and i don't know all the details but i i think that they're super cool

2230
02:54:00,280 --> 02:54:04,280
and i think we're super cool with how super cool they are and we want to do something together

2231
02:54:04,280 --> 02:54:08,200
but i i don't know when i don't know when the plan is for that

2232
02:54:09,080 --> 02:54:16,920
uh ping pong greater than badminton what say you l ld i guess it's just ld

2233
02:54:17,560 --> 02:54:22,120
just want to hear your thoughts on table tennis table tennis sick uh i've been getting back into

2234
02:54:22,120 --> 02:54:29,640
it and it's good exercise it looks like so much fun to play it at a high level but for me um i just

2235
02:54:29,640 --> 02:54:36,520
there's no way that i could justify switching to it right now because the the the learning curve

2236
02:54:37,480 --> 02:54:42,200
um you could probably get more courts in in smash champs right well i mean sort of

2237
02:54:42,200 --> 02:54:46,120
it depends on the level people are playing at yeah then you see those high level games people

2238
02:54:46,120 --> 02:54:52,840
are running all over the place that's true that's extremely true like i know i no no no no like

2239
02:54:52,840 --> 02:54:59,720
mile yeah you could probably get the same amount of yeah i mean most people are basically like

2240
02:54:59,720 --> 02:55:05,800
standing right at the end of the table and called plinky plink plink plink plink right but um man no

2241
02:55:05,800 --> 02:55:11,960
i i i just for me to get enjoyment out of it i would need to play at the same kind of level

2242
02:55:11,960 --> 02:55:15,720
that i can play badminton at and for me to play table tennis at that level i'd have to play for

2243
02:55:15,720 --> 02:55:20,440
years or i could just spend those years playing badminton and having fun instead of sort of banging

2244
02:55:20,440 --> 02:55:27,720
my head against a brick wall learning curve in 2019 texas instrument tried banning assembly

2245
02:55:27,720 --> 02:55:33,000
coding from their calculators but reached a middle ground with coders after backlash from

2246
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:40,680
WAN Show viewers what's your favorite time WAN Show caused a good change did i did i did i

2247
02:55:40,680 --> 02:55:47,160
know about this i don't know i don't know this is before my time there's there's no way this is a

2248
02:55:47,160 --> 02:55:54,360
thing i don't think this is a thing i don't think texas instruments even knows who we are uh texas

2249
02:55:54,360 --> 02:56:00,040
instruments might be in gaslet WAN Show assembly code what no there's no way

2250
02:56:01,160 --> 02:56:06,760
the does anyone does anyone know anything about this it says ti and calculators i assumed it

2251
02:56:06,760 --> 02:56:12,440
was texas instruments yeah no i was i mean yeah that's i i i don't think we i don't think we did

2252
02:56:12,440 --> 02:56:17,240
that um we definitely give some love love hugs from time to time i remember the time we brought

2253
02:56:17,240 --> 02:56:25,400
down the Noctua website but hey look if you guys know more than i do and and there's any information

2254
02:56:26,040 --> 02:56:31,080
about this that maybe you can get to us next week maybe we can look into that but i i don't know i

2255
02:56:31,080 --> 02:56:41,320
don't know okay uh hey Linus how much do you credit networking with your success as an entrepreneur

2256
02:56:41,320 --> 02:56:46,760
i help college students with networking and would love examples that you have to use as examples

2257
02:56:47,880 --> 02:57:00,360
i suck at networking i i have probably the smallest rolodex of anyone that i know of it who

2258
02:57:00,360 --> 02:57:08,280
sort of has a has a career like mine um i i literally don't even have contact information

2259
02:57:08,280 --> 02:57:15,080
anymore for people that i have literally collaborated with before like okay i just mentioned call me

2260
02:57:15,080 --> 02:57:23,240
chris i i don't have a functioning contact information for her that i know of anymore um i i totally

2261
02:57:23,240 --> 02:57:28,280
suck at like the relationship building side of things the the cold hard truth is i got into

2262
02:57:28,280 --> 02:57:33,800
making youtube videos not because i'm a people person but because i'm a computer person um

2263
02:57:36,040 --> 02:57:40,520
the rest of it all just happened accidentally i just liked tinkering with computers and stuff

2264
02:57:41,480 --> 02:57:47,960
um you are absolutely right to emphasize the importance of networking with your with your

2265
02:57:47,960 --> 02:57:55,960
students but i suck at it i think theo is an excellent example of networking done correctly

2266
02:57:57,480 --> 02:58:03,000
basically hey i know a guy you should talk to this other guy and then you just do that forever

2267
02:58:04,200 --> 02:58:07,720
and then everybody knows everybody and you're in the center of everybody's universe

2268
02:58:07,720 --> 02:58:12,680
yeah yeah i i don't i don't that's just it's a crazy skill that you that can be your entire

2269
02:58:12,680 --> 02:58:19,000
careers just doing that a big part of like my approach to the business has been we'll just

2270
02:58:19,000 --> 02:58:24,680
make sure our product is great and then it won't really matter like if i play the game and suck

2271
02:58:24,680 --> 02:58:29,800
up and whatever else i'll just hire somebody with networking skills to do you a business right well

2272
02:58:29,800 --> 02:58:35,000
i mean yeah right like that was that was that was kind of the plan with taren like he knows everybody

2273
02:58:35,960 --> 02:58:41,960
you know he knows me he's one of the few people that like i know but he has all those connections

2274
02:58:41,960 --> 02:58:48,120
like that that's his thing that's that's not my thing exactly support network is very important

2275
02:58:50,360 --> 02:58:57,400
hey Linus i'm very late but just checking in to see if you watch the c uh sef Stanley cup final

2276
02:58:57,400 --> 02:59:02,840
i know you're a conux guy when you watched hockey from a prior video did it give you joy to see

2277
02:59:02,840 --> 02:59:09,800
edmonton lose out not even a little um i mean edmonton even going into the start of the playoffs

2278
02:59:09,800 --> 02:59:15,400
i think edmonton had the most canadians on their roster out of any out of any team so like while

2279
02:59:15,400 --> 02:59:23,960
it you know obviously um wasn't great to watch them beat team sweden um no i was i was i was

2280
02:59:23,960 --> 02:59:29,400
actually rooting for edmonton the truth of it though is i don't really i see teams as businesses

2281
02:59:30,200 --> 02:59:36,760
so beyond just kind of the fun of being in the atmosphere where everyone's cheering for the same

2282
02:59:37,560 --> 02:59:45,080
business um you know let's go team aquilini uh i don't really i don't really care my investment

2283
02:59:45,080 --> 02:59:52,360
in is pretty low like i i tend to get more into the like the the the the story lines of like the

2284
02:59:52,360 --> 02:59:58,520
players themselves so like seeing um seeing paul marisse for example who was like coming up on

2285
02:59:58,520 --> 03:00:04,040
or was already like the winningest coach in nhl history who had never won a stanley cup or

2286
03:00:04,040 --> 03:00:08,680
something like that or whatever whatever the the kind of story was there like how many times he'd

2287
03:00:08,680 --> 03:00:12,920
gotten so close like i i was kind of able to appreciate it from that perspective even though

2288
03:00:12,920 --> 03:00:18,040
i was cheering for edmonton in the final i you know i didn't like seeing um i didn't like seeing

2289
03:00:18,120 --> 03:00:22,920
that team who you know worked really hard and who i'd followed more closely and sort of you

2290
03:00:22,920 --> 03:00:27,400
know built a weird parasocial connection with some of those players you know get beaten by the players

2291
03:00:27,400 --> 03:00:33,320
that i didn't really care about even as much but yeah at the end of the day like to me the the

2292
03:00:33,320 --> 03:00:40,840
jerseys they're just businesses these are just these are just emblems that are purchased by billionaire

2293
03:00:40,840 --> 03:00:48,440
business owners uh it's not very meaningful to me um whereas like you know uh some some of the

2294
03:00:48,440 --> 03:00:53,080
individual athletes i i can certainly get a lot more on board with um like here in vancouver

2295
03:00:53,720 --> 03:00:58,520
the sadeen twins are like local heroes not just for what they did on the ice but for all the

2296
03:00:58,520 --> 03:01:04,280
contributions that they've made to really meaningful causes for their reputation as being super

2297
03:01:04,280 --> 03:01:09,800
down to earth people um the fact that they've stuck around and continued to work at the

2298
03:01:09,800 --> 03:01:14,520
organization even though they could have just off back to sweden the second that their contract

2299
03:01:14,520 --> 03:01:19,080
was up as players um you know it seems cool you know it seems like they're their members of the

2300
03:01:19,080 --> 03:01:26,760
community as opposed to just hired guns who play hockey right so and last one i've got today oh and

2301
03:01:26,760 --> 03:01:34,120
a couple people have found the wan clip as well when we're talking about the ti 84 looks like it

2302
03:01:34,120 --> 03:01:46,360
was from june 18th 2020 um i know we both cone lemon and uh no yeah as well what what does this

2303
03:01:46,360 --> 03:01:53,800
have to do with the wancho this is someone else's uh this is someone else's video uh developer c e

2304
03:01:53,800 --> 03:02:01,640
concept okay wancho handle the situation better than ti yeah i i don't think this i i know about

2305
03:02:01,640 --> 03:02:09,240
the situation with ti but what i don't know is that ti acknowledged us or that we made any

2306
03:02:09,240 --> 03:02:14,120
difference in any way that that's what i don't that's what i have not seen any evidence of

2307
03:02:17,880 --> 03:02:20,920
okay whatever last uh magic merch message i forgot for you that

2308
03:02:23,400 --> 03:02:29,160
hope that this isn't rude but since you went and cancelled the marino t-shirt and m a Mac Address

2309
03:02:29,160 --> 03:02:35,800
mock neck got any recommendations for alternate brands of similar quality to you no actually um

2310
03:02:36,920 --> 03:02:40,840
hopefully we can bring back stuff like that more in the future but um

2311
03:02:43,480 --> 03:02:49,880
apparel sales has been a little rough this year especially with some of the the less boring

2312
03:02:49,880 --> 03:02:54,920
stuff anything other than t-shirts hoodies it's one of those funny things where i think we have

2313
03:02:55,640 --> 03:03:01,640
i think we have a really strong reputation among our buyers for creating quality products but

2314
03:03:02,120 --> 03:03:09,160
that doesn't necessarily mean how do i put this that it's easy for us to sell stuff that's a little

2315
03:03:09,160 --> 03:03:14,360
bit more a little bit more stylish um so it's something that we're really working on right

2316
03:03:14,360 --> 03:03:18,920
now trying to figure out you know what an identity is that we can build where we can take advantage

2317
03:03:19,640 --> 03:03:26,920
of our strength which is our attention to detail and our our uncompromising uh passion for making

2318
03:03:26,920 --> 03:03:36,280
high quality products but also the sometimes kind of basicness of of uh of our audience i mean the

2319
03:03:36,280 --> 03:03:42,840
reality of i'm one of you right like i i wear t-shirts i you know like jeans and you know like

2320
03:03:42,840 --> 03:03:51,080
i i get it um but there's tough business realities for us to for us to figure out um if we want to

2321
03:03:51,080 --> 03:04:03,160
do more more niche products like that yeah oh okay all right uh thanks for tuning in to the

2322
03:04:03,160 --> 03:04:09,560
WAN Show this week we will see you again next week same bad time same bad channel bye

2323
03:04:12,120 --> 03:04:17,400
nice thanks luke oh Dan you're you're floating in the ocean and oh no i'm drowning in the volcano

2324
03:04:17,400 --> 03:04:19,960
oh no what would you say

2325
03:04:23,320 --> 03:04:27,240
luke you're drowning yeah okay bye

2326
03:04:33,400 --> 03:04:41,080
thanks luke he really does care oh luke is a real one for that

2327
03:04:42,600 --> 03:04:47,240
i ate way too much pie that was brutal i should not have done that