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it's just them who are spared live yeah we direct monitor yeah Luke Luke muted

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his mic so I wouldn't have to listen to him mashing an orange between his teeth

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I mean I can do this no I don't care it's fine yeah fine yeah fine you feel

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free so the first thing you do is punch the air yeah what did the air ever do

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honestly a lot approaching the space I mean yeah a small a small fraction of it

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is what we actually need so maybe you could selectively punch the the co2 you

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know yeah I'm then the nitrogen I'm pretty neutral on but the co2 can go

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fuck itself any who hey welcome to the pre-show where Luke punches air and

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acidify his water in his gullet we have new pins

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I don't know if this is gonna be a great show today I'm gonna say it is you

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know like how I do yeah yeah oh part of the show is you saying it's gonna be the

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greatest show or a great show I guess well technically what I say is that we

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have a great show for you today I don't say that I'm actually gonna give it to

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okay nice I'm not X you know because we all know X will give it to you yeah but I

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might not right yeah I'm gonna cut that as a thing can he still give it to you

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when he's dead he said he's going I think that's a crime but technically I don't

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think necrophilia is a crime if the corpse initiates it what a defense that

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would be a sorry officer I fell into it that's not the corpse initiating it

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still love coming the corpse would have to trip and fall into it which could

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happen I mean you seem weakened at burning well yep do we still have a bonus it will be a show of all time it's not gonna

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be a good show today all right we've got two minutes and 30 seconds and we're

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already talking about necrophilia and the legality do we still have a bonus

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been yeah I think so I'm gonna go check I'm gonna go check

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yeah so is a zombie a beast or a corpse yeah now there's two there's two

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bonus been this no this is an interesting question from Cato S zombie

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beast or corpse it's illegal either way so to be clear we're not saying it's

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okay we're just saying there could be degrees of not okay I think if zombies

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actually exist I think we have to add another category on dead really you

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don't think it's a beast it might depend on how sentient it is okay there's a it

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would be in a bestiary so it must be a beast but in a lot of games humanoids

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are also in beast areas yeah it's just like a collection of creatures is not

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man a beast so then it's a beast then because everything's a beast so you're

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saying that on our monthly sex night I'm bestiality ing yes interesting I mean

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wait is it it's movie night right X was a sound so would he be Mr. Beast

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I beast is gonna give it to you I mean

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fan fiction what version of slash fiction are we on right now I really

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enjoyed right after I said I'm hearing Hey David is your pre-show is a is a

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zombie post-scattered wars we're gonna put up a version but it has employee

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private information and so it's gonna get replaced all notify you when you can

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we just not put up that version then can you give it to me sure you guys do

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appreciate and then and then you can go play basketball that makes so much more

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sense I I mean I know and also like you know

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hmm why is my computer not turning on just had it plugged in for like hours

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hello maybe because you do that to it and that oh it's probably cuz I threw it

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yeah maybe hmm well I technically didn't throw it well you tried I mean

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that's through the backpack yeah you think it's dead

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you know I ran into this a little while ago where I like slammed it shut for like

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a short because I was like doing a thing for Sammy and it was like kind of being

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buggy and I was like that and then it like wouldn't turn on for a little bit

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and then it did turn on after that and then you threw it well I'm just saying

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I've seen this behavior before why did you make me do that I don't know I'm

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sorry I will refrain next time thank you no problem

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this can I just run this here well organized table

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okay the keyboard lit up that's a good sign

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excuse me

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the keyboard unlit and then real it yeah something's happening what is that you

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hear that right I thought that was a truck is that the wind it couldn't be that

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it's gotta be a truck right doesn't sound like it's driving on the track okay I only had one I had only one

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earphone off so I didn't have like yeah directional hearing it just didn't seem

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like it was moving for a long time

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someone mentioned legal legal in the chat what's going on with the honey lawsuits you followed that at all no is it dead because it was performative or is

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it dead for a different reason no idea whatever it might also just like take

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frickin forever because sometimes legal stuff does that yeah there's just no way

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that any of that is actually happening so oh yeah I'm just I'm just wondering

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what the reason for it being dead is no clue

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can we please make an icon for wanchov odds on Floatplane I I think the LMG

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team should just make it a channel for it but sub channel for you don't need the

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icon mmm that's smart look at smart look at smart

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of course I remember Steve Jobs versus Bill Gates epic rap battles of history

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it's pretty good those were peak that was that was some pretty high high level

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internet shit postory I'm assuming they don't do that anymore yeah be

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I don't think wow they do but like three a year

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they perform still wow the the if you fit all of them on if you if you like fill

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your screen with thumbnails it goes back five years

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and yeah they sure do perform well still my goodness Harry Potter versus Luke

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Skywalker that's a choice Lego edition

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I mean were they always I remember this I don't think so man like in their

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actual beginnings I mean that's not that many videos that's really not that many

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videos I thought these were like all the time

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this is a Vader versus Hitler one have a hundred million views 106 wow master

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chief versus Leonidas is 109 my brothers versus white Bros is 105 161 for the

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Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that's such a banger thumbnail though oh yeah

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that's crazy

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63 here that's bigger than the Bill Gates and Steve Jobs one yeah the political

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ones seem to do pretty well I mean nothing performs like that anymore

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yeah so they were uploading quite a bit back then considering the production

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time is stuff and then this gap and then I think it slows down eight years to six

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years and this is just like the history and then they start picking up again but

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it's slower yeah okay still quite a few in that some of the choices are so random

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Hulk Hogan versus Kim Jong-il am I reading that correctly one down one down

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there yeah wow new edit maybe there was a second edit maybe that one didn't quite

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land yeah maybe

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gladly impaler versus count Dracula

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any who so that's a thing good dope oh says we need a Trump first term versus

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Trump second term that would actually be hilarious like Trump first term could say

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things like release the Epstein files and then Trump second term could say things

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like I like diddling I don't even think I don't even think you'd have to go that

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far you could do Trump at the beginning of this term versus Trump man all right

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oh apparently there is a TLDR on the the honey thing the various lawsuits have

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been legally found to be related so they're all getting bundled yeah so

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basically everything but the Wendover one is performative and was a bandwagon

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jump wow what a surprise nice cool and the Wendover one still going forward I

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don't know maybe we'll see I just really doubt that any of this is going

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anywhere it's so far beyond major concern given everything that's going on in

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the world right now that I just don't really see it mattering I think that's

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how the legal system works I mean dude it's like it's like a financial at worst

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it's like a financial crime which is like sorry what are the consequences for

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these exactly they should probably exist I mean and basically everyone's context

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this is like huge shrug yeah I don't know if that matters like to be clear

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it'll make its way through eventually because like eventually it has to I

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just doubt anything will be done

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pk7 says given all the other legal matters that are also not happening yeah

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yeah basically night oh and financial crime punishment 0.5% of what you made

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from the crime dude it's so it's so hard to watch what the actual like penalties

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are for this kind of thing like even when it's like huge that's why I mean that's

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why everybody does it talk to American companies about how they do things and

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why they do things they're almost always just like yeah we just don't do it the legal way and we just stash a little bit of money aside and then if something

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happens yeah pay for it and it's we've talked to so many companies that look at

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like the way we do things where we like do research and try and figure out how

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to do it properly like actually I've had people try to like sit me down to be like

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you guys are dumb like I don't understand why you're going out of your way to like

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do dumb things the hardest possible way you can and it's like we're trying to

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like play by the rules and they're like yeah no one is what are you doing I know

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this is how the system is built it's like I know but but but I do think that it

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has contributed to my streak which is that I have not had to sue anybody and I

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have never been sued by anybody that I'm just saying I'm just saying what is what

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a streak in the modern business world

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what is what does it take what's the condition for being sued by someone would

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you have to be in court I would say what what what constitutes a suit

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um being sued

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what like what is the difference between a legal action yeah I would say I would

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say the I actually don't know I for in terms of like where I'm drawing the

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line I would say because we've definitely had people send us a letter

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threatening to sue yeah but that's not but that's not being sued yeah I mean

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that technically happened like forever ago oh yeah people do that as a bullying

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tactic sure yeah like that's just that's I think I remember us dealing with that

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like in the in the house I'm not sure if I remember that I think somebody sent a

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I think it was a cease and desist and they wanted a bunch of money and it was

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because some user uploaded like a photo to the forum and it was a it was a user

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uploaded photo and it was like their art or something that rings a bell and

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they were like you're distributing it it's on your platform you owe me like

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tons of money and I remember another one where I could be wrong about the

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timeline there was something to do with um someone found a copyright loophole

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where there was a piece of music on youtube's own like approved music list

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where the performance was royalty free right but the sheet music was like

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copyrighted in Germany specifically and youtube hadn't cleared that

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and so someone tried to or someone sent us like a threatening letter over that

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and then we just ignored it because that was stupid obviously dumb and we were

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like yeah there's no way you're gonna like succeed in this so see you later

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yeah that's about as I think that's about as far as anything's gone I don't remember

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if we actually addressed that weird forum one but most of them we've just ignored

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and then they've gone away because obviously there's no base

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yeah there were ones that we did have to draft back um no actually f*** you

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letter um so so there have been ones where we've had to go that far it makes sense

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that that would happen once you're a bigger fish because then there's more incentive to like have it be yeah what's it what's it called the thing where you um

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the thing where you work on uh basically a commission basis I always forget this

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stupid word um I know what you're talking about but I don't remember

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is it called no not pro bono that's free contingency

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so so once you get to be a bit of a bigger fish um it's more common for lawyers to

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work on a contingency basis but then if you can if you can fire back and go yeah

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your client lied to you and their case is not what they say it is here's proof

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points a b c d e and f then they'll no longer interested in that's right yeah so we've

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had to deal with that a couple of times but that's been pretty easy for the most part

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that makes sense yeah it just is expensive it's just a complete waste of money it feels

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like this honestly the the same type of thing as those guys that would just send

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invoices to like google and whatnot and nobody would like check if this thing

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actually happened and they would just pay it it feels like the same kind of thing where like they're probably just trying to be annoying and then hope that eventually

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someone's just like whatever and just like pays to make it go away a maria says i'm a lawyer

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who works on a contingency basis only but it's in disability so not that okay well that's good

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uh yeah to be clear i have encountered good people who are lawyers it's just the ratio seems off compared

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to the general population and i'm honestly i i feel bad for the like genuinely good hearted

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lawyers that are out there that have to kind of live with that stigma um

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maria says yeah a lot of us aren't great lol

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see i feel like i feel like you're having the same experience that like some content

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creators do we're like influencer is basically a slur now and it's just like

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man lawyers have had that forever oh dude yeah i uh i remember um i remember one of the earliest

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like jokes that i remember hearing is what do you call a hundred lawyers encased in cement at the

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bottom of the ocean a good start yeah yeah i can assume where this goes yeah yeah yeah sparky's

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heard it um oh what's a maria says yeah i love that joke i'm sorry i'm sorry

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whoa oh can i help you my phone is like dying oh all right

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okay let me put that away oh okay so we have a game plan around scrapyard wars

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oh what are we waiting for at this point scrapers or what no nothing we're just gonna start

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i don't know did they complain if there's no pre-show oh not many of them but there are floaters

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they're they are 40 000 strong they could actually kill us there's enough of them

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even if you went like rage mode i'd think they don't have power

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like some of them some of them don't seem like fighters i suspect i suspect a hundred crystals

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versus one angry guerrilla luke probably you know wouldn't go well for the crystals i still think uh

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oh it's ltx

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what would that have been 18

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i think i don't know what you're talking about it's gonna be really hard for me to verify this

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communication about the markers i thought you i couldn't hear you at all i thought you

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yelled down to me to like yes don't let anyone get the markers oh my god yes this was at 18 so

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what i actually said was it was like distribute the markers to various people or like basically

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people were given a challenge to get all the colored markers on their like sheet and each staff

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member was supposed to have a different color so it was like a collect the pokemon challenge

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so luke had his marker and like sprinted around the venue not letting people catch him or something

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so i was given an entire pack of all the markers oh my god

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yeah i don't and somebody on the floor like i think it was a staff member or volunteer or

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something told me that like i was supposed to keep the markers and then you told me

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something that i didn't hear properly and i thought it was basically like he just starts running

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yeah and i thought like this is the thing now i'm supposed to keep the markers away from everyone

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so i started running and all the people around me thought they heard the same thing so people

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started grabbing for the markers which is why i started running and then i just like stood there

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and got mobbed by this like massive crowd of people and they couldn't no one could get them

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and i came out with like massive scratches all at my arms and stuff because we were like clawing

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at me to try to get the markers i was actually like worried about getting like gnarly infections

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because it was scratches from people's fingernails like all at my arms but i won

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yeah i mean you came out of it better than my car yeah that was that was the whole thing that was

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rough that was it like started off kind of cool and then people just dumped glue on my car on the

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Windows so stupid i mean i had to know what could happen you know but still like at a certain

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point like at first it was a fun art project yeah and then it was trashing a car and like i don't

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know i'm not sure when it switched yeah i don't know but i remember seeing at different points

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in time and being like this is nuts but the car has always been nuts and it's like kind of neat

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and then it just yeah somebody did something to kick it off of just like now it's stupid and

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then people just went hard yeah we scrapped it um we wanted to like go in a demolition derby

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or like run over in a tank or like do something cool with it but it was just there were various

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liability things that made it so that just didn't really work yeah it was also just like gross by

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the end of it it wasn't which would have been fine for a demo derby but like yeah fair enough you know

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but like it would have needed like thousands of dollars of work to like be demo derby ready like

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you can't just oh go in a regular car in a demo derby which makes sense you need like roll cages

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and stuff you need all kinds of stuff like you have to like reinforce stuff and like obviously

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you can't have like airbags blowing up in the driver's faces during a demo derby right and stuff

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you know sure so it's a whole thing like yeah so the whole idea of demo derby is like do you

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remember when they used to do a demolition derby at like the p&e and stuff and then that just like

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eventually it's not really a thing anyway I don't think it's really a thing because I think

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beater cars are now modern enough that they have all these like safety features and crumple zones

00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:19.160
and it costs so much to remove all of that that it just doesn't really make any sense anymore right

00:26:19.800 --> 00:26:26.200
I'd watch the crap out of a firetruck demo derby though yeah I would be that seems like it'd be

00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:32.760
crazy dangerous like how close you're sitting to the front yeah there's also a lot of fire truck

00:26:32.760 --> 00:26:36.680
to hit that isn't the front but somebody's gonna screw up at some point well yeah but you'll like

00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:42.680
be the front oh yeah obviously right you know dang yeah so there's that bit of a problem yeah

00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:48.200
charged nuclear I says drive backwards

00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:54.760
apparently there's still demo derbies in Utah I mean yeah that makes sense

00:26:56.360 --> 00:26:59.640
like if you have enough people watching it I guess you can overcome the cost and it's very

00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:06.280
flat there so you could basically just set up stands for ages big audience

00:27:06.280 --> 00:27:14.680
so we have mountains so oh we could put seats on the mountain so there there are no flat places

00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:20.440
in BC no no it's all mountains I mean basically it's crazy to live here I'm not even I'm not even

00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:24.440
no I'm not even lying like what are you even talking about where are the here I'm gonna bring up a

00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:33.800
topographical map right now I will know I will die on this hill which is not a hill it's a mountain

00:27:34.760 --> 00:27:38.120
there there are hills I mean there's both everywhere especially if you go north but

00:27:38.120 --> 00:27:43.640
okay check there are there are places you could put an arena check this with stance check this

00:27:44.840 --> 00:27:52.760
check this okay where's my air quality where what where's the topography how is their air quality

00:27:52.760 --> 00:27:58.120
but not people are going after you because apparently Utah has mountains terrain they call it terrain

00:27:58.120 --> 00:28:07.240
Utah has mountains please Utah is not flat Utah is not flat I'll show you not flat okay this is

00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:15.240
this is lower BC it is literally you wonder why everyone's packed into they look mountains the

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:25.480
Vancouver area this is British Columbia it is literally just mountains where's the Alberta

00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:33.640
border it's in here somewhere so are you potentially thinking Ohio uh no okay isn't Utah literally

00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:40.280
where they have like the salt flats uh the Bonneville salt salt flats are in Utah it's like

00:28:40.280 --> 00:28:46.040
the flattest place that sounds pretty flat to me those are not the entire state though our densely

00:28:46.040 --> 00:28:52.440
packed salt pan in tool county in northwestern Utah United States a remnant of the Pleistocene lake

00:28:53.080 --> 00:29:00.760
Utah is pretty darn flat and look it's all relative may I remind you again that I am coming at this

00:29:00.760 --> 00:29:08.120
from a British Columbian perspective this is our province it is all mountains I think yeah I think

00:29:08.120 --> 00:29:14.440
from a BC perspective here's here's you con you could be right I think in a this is BC North American

00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:20.920
perspective I think you're wrong okay do you see them do you see the mountain situation there there do

00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:26.520
be some mountains here's the rest of the country in mountainous Columbia

00:29:30.120 --> 00:29:40.680
can you top a graphical uh Utah sure please those are foothills brother these are mountains

00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:48.760
they got some they got some mountains they'd be all like but we could ski on them and I'm like

00:29:48.760 --> 00:29:58.840
that's nice that's cute we could ski on all of them a huge slash of mountains right we ski to work

00:29:58.840 --> 00:30:09.720
in home every day uphill both ways yeah it's good cardio all right teams getting a visual indicator

00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:17.640
that audio is going through the mic mainline topic no no if that's true that's cool I haven't seen it yet

00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:22.920
but my goodness that is not a mainline topic them finally getting baseline features that voice

00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:28.360
communication applications have had for well over a decade is cannot be a mainline topic

00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:35.880
they also desperately desperately need to fix just constantly lying to people about like things

00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:41.880
that would be really bad if they were actually like true or happened um like it saying like hey

00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.800
when I go on my mobile and it's like hey you're gonna you're gonna call on another device do you

00:30:45.800 --> 00:30:49.560
want to do you want to switch do you want to switch you want to join that call now and it's

00:30:49.560 --> 00:30:54.600
like some call that I was in like hours ago like oh my god it's my mic been open for hours

00:30:54.600 --> 00:31:00.040
then I go check and it's like no the app's just wrong you go to schedule a message and it's just

00:31:00.040 --> 00:31:04.360
like sent I'm like whoa it's supposed to be scheduled and then like 10 seconds later it's

00:31:04.360 --> 00:31:09.400
like oopsie never mind it's actually scheduled it's fine yeah and then you go look at it when

00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:14.040
it's supposed to have sent and now it shows two but it only shows two to you it doesn't show two

00:31:14.040 --> 00:31:18.120
to everyone and then you go to send a group message to two people that you haven't said a group

00:31:18.120 --> 00:31:22.920
message to before and it's like well you can't schedule this you have to wait for no reason isn't

00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:27.640
it super cool when you want to share something with multiple people in teams and instead of

00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:33.720
sending a group chat it sends that thing to each of them individually you also can't send the message

00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:39.400
before the file uploads like everybody else has figured this out it just goes oh they wanted to

00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:43.240
send this message I'll just sit with it waiting until the file loads and then send it for them

00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:51.720
and teams is like oops nope can't do that pretty sick um anyway anyway not mainline topic

00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.720
Utah is not flat okay are you guys okay now

00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.800
Utah is not flat they have a flat place which is more than we have

00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:10.840
BC has a desert it's a fun one we also have a rainforest yeah yeah cool right

00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.400
yeah

00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:22.040
I've never seen most of it because I can't see over these mountains it's a tiny mic icon

00:32:22.040 --> 00:32:29.240
on the top right that is not noticeable at all wow how are they so bad at this I actually don't

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:33.160
get it just make it do the same ring highlight that everyone else's does

00:32:34.760 --> 00:32:39.640
oh man you know looking at this it's actually kind of amazing that our real estate doesn't

00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:48.760
cost even more like there's actually like that little spot yeah like there's this whole thing

00:32:48.760 --> 00:32:54.440
about how Canada is really big and okay part of it is just sort of BS because of the Mercator

00:32:55.320 --> 00:33:02.040
projection and then also it is really big though it is really big but like man so much of it's like

00:33:02.040 --> 00:33:09.560
unlivable even when it's not mountain it's like frozen like Manitoba it's it's just it's a lake

00:33:09.800 --> 00:33:15.400
it's lake lake land lakeland lakeland canada

00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:28.600
just everybody has house boats house apartment apartment boat whatever wicked smart extremely

00:33:28.600 --> 00:33:32.920
time I mean that's kind of a cruise ship wicked smart maybe they should just have a bunch of cruise

00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.800
ships hmm okay what do they do when the lake freezes

00:33:42.040 --> 00:33:47.160
trick question play hockey on it the I mean the house boats just stop moving that's fine

00:33:48.280 --> 00:33:54.760
yeah I don't actually think that's fine I in in fact I will go as far as to say

00:33:54.760 --> 00:33:58.760
they should just use that crazy stuff that they made a ship out of a million years ago that's

00:33:58.760 --> 00:34:04.120
like ice and sawdust that I'm fairly certain that that would not be okay they should just do that

00:34:04.120 --> 00:34:07.560
that would not be fine though what was that was that do you know the name of that dad no I feel

00:34:07.560 --> 00:34:18.200
like that's the thing you would know um they made like a warship pike reed yeah this stuff is crazy

00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.360
easy

00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:29.320
pike reed is a frozen ice composite originally made of approximately 14 sawdust or some other

00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:35.160
form of wood pulp such as paper and 86 ice by weight and they made like ships out of it

00:34:37.240 --> 00:34:45.640
that's pretty smart yeah or dumb who knows ice domes like when you see like big cool ice constructions

00:34:45.720 --> 00:34:52.920
it's like it's often pike reed okay that is that is pretty cool yeah pike reed

00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:03.400
neat it was proposed as a building material for an aircraft carrier yeah

00:35:05.160 --> 00:35:11.640
project haba cook huh was a british plan during world war two to construct a massive aircraft

00:35:11.640 --> 00:35:19.000
carrier out of pike reed that floating island doesn't seem like it should have been yeah it

00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:27.720
might be questionable if your floating island is slowly melting all the time yeah and would the

00:35:27.720 --> 00:35:33.160
salt mix with it I mean I don't know was only a plan only constructed I thought they had some

00:35:33.160 --> 00:35:39.400
like demo boat in a lake it wasn't the aircraft carrier but I thought they had a like test version

00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.760
in a lake for a while but I could be just totally wrong with that

00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:49.400
all right we should probably start the show huh

00:35:51.640 --> 00:35:58.200
we could I mean it's just an idea I don't have to it's probably a stupid idea it's an option

00:35:58.200 --> 00:36:03.080
all right I'm resuming the selected now okay oh yeah so my laptop is still broken I guess

00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:07.640
but only there was someone who made a laptop

00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.800
that if you broke it by accident you could repair it

00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:23.000
what's the I can't think of anyone like that though okay so I'm gonna have no way of knowing

00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.520
like how many people are watching today which I guess doesn't really matter

00:36:28.040 --> 00:36:29.560
okay I'm going for it

00:36:33.080 --> 00:36:36.520
oh yeah and I won't know when we're live too then Dan so you might have to signal me

00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.920
cool okay I hit the thing

00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:56.760
what's up everybody and oh welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined up for you guys

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this week Roblox sent a cease and desist letter to a youtuber for hunting child predators on their

00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:15.320
platform wow that is uh a little awkward also PayPal is not Steam's buddy friend

00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:24.840
so the whole thing where payment processors are allegedly dictating to gaming platforms

00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.200
what type of content they're allowed to sell has escalated what else we got going on this week

00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:37.720
YouTube has started to roll out a age verification AI model uh because the the future is fun

00:37:38.600 --> 00:37:44.440
and that won't be easy to work around at all can you pick something that's good news uh let me see

00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:51.000
I mean I know I didn't yeah that's why it's your job that's a bad one that one's overall kind of

00:37:51.080 --> 00:37:55.080
negative that literally says massive step backwards in the title

00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:06.200
I don't care about that at all I don't know if anyone does this sucks that's a bad thing that's not a

00:38:06.200 --> 00:38:15.000
good thing uh yeah youtuber makes real life aimbot that controls his body who's actually super cool

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.000
video I watch it hey let's go

00:38:24.120 --> 00:38:25.000
oh man

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the show is brought to you today by Squarespace delete me and AMD along with of course our

00:38:42.680 --> 00:38:49.800
wrap partner dbrand our laptop partner del and our chair partner secret lab all right let's jump

00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:54.040
right into the headline topic and this one's gonna take a minute Elijah

00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:06.040
saw that this was about games for kids and uh he took this assignment very seriously creating

00:39:06.040 --> 00:39:14.360
an extremely long doc so that we could go through and talk about youtuber Schlepp who has been both

00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:22.440
sent a cease and desist letter from roblox and banned from the game related to some of his videos

00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:29.480
about roblox Schlepp's channel which has almost 800,000 subscribers has been focused around catching

00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:36.600
child predators on the platform a problem that has been rampant for years he has achieved this by

00:39:36.600 --> 00:39:43.640
making new accounts waiting for people to engage and then just following along never taking the

00:39:43.640 --> 00:39:49.960
leap since in most cases that would be deemed as entrapment Schlepp has been successful in working

00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:54.520
with local police and the national center for missing and exploited children to get more than

00:39:54.520 --> 00:40:00.600
half a dozen people arrested and charged for some form of crimes against children awesome

00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:07.400
Schlepp has tried to work directly with roblox on this issue in the past including sending hundreds

00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:13.880
of chat logs and video evidence to them about certain accounts and none have even been successful

00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:20.360
at getting the individuals banned nevermind charged which is why Schlepp has been turning to other

00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:29.880
methods for help he has even tweeted directly at the roblox ceo several times and um well i mean

00:40:30.680 --> 00:40:37.960
is it proof that the ceo saw his tweet if his account was blocked i actually don't necessarily

00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:45.080
think so but i think it's likely it doesn't look good no it's not a good look at some companies

00:40:45.080 --> 00:40:49.400
like this i wouldn't be super surprised if the ceo wasn't the only person running the ceo's twitter

00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:55.400
account the reason for roblox's actions according to the letter that was sent to schlepp are as

00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:01.000
follows that he failed to report suspicious activity to roblox through proper channels

00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.080
which can critically expose roblox's users to increased risk

00:41:07.560 --> 00:41:15.000
um no okay okay uh let's go with i mean maybe reason number two maybe reason number two will

00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:22.120
be better okay that schlepp is engaging in simulated child endangerment conversations

00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:33.640
uh are they simul technically technically he's not a child so that's like technically true

00:41:34.520 --> 00:41:42.680
but is it relevant no okay cool i don't think so i mean look we're not it's allegedly not relevant

00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:47.720
hold on i need to come sit on your side for a second here oh uh oh oh i see

00:41:51.720 --> 00:41:57.080
we're not legal experts we both press it it goes faster we're not legal experts so you know this is

00:41:57.080 --> 00:42:04.840
all this is all from the common sense school of not being a dipshit so um let's go with let's go

00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:13.400
with reason number three yes that schlepp is directing users to move conversations off platform

00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:20.280
wait what but which comes from these predators often requesting to have conversations on other

00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:26.680
platforms like discord yeah because up above it said that he follows their lead so if if he was

00:42:26.680 --> 00:42:32.920
doing this i think that would actually potentially be a bad thing but based on what we previously

00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:38.920
read and based on the attached note to this it sounds like he's just jumping with them off

00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:45.240
platform when asked to go off platform which i don't think is a bad thing does it okay here's a

00:42:45.240 --> 00:42:54.120
question for you does it matter who instigates who says we should move off platform i think so it

00:42:54.120 --> 00:42:56.680
does i think so personally um

00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:09.240
if you are ebay and there's an ebay seller and the ebay seller it goes hey man message me

00:43:10.120 --> 00:43:16.440
don't buy this message me i'll get you a better price who are you mad at well hold on a second

00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.000
you're mad at the seller let me give you a let me give you a different example yeah okay okay

00:43:21.160 --> 00:43:33.560
so i'm ebay okay and uh there's a seller who is selling um child materials okay and either the

00:43:33.560 --> 00:43:40.040
buyer or the seller says they want to move a conversation off platform who f***ing cares

00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.240
who decided to move the conversation off platform i should probably deactivate the account yeah

00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:52.600
yeah so that's my counter argument but which account both yeah well okay hold on hold on hold

00:43:52.600 --> 00:43:59.720
on no the no the person with the materials so you're always in your situation there's a buyer

00:43:59.720 --> 00:44:04.600
of said material so please ban them both okay that's not really the scenario that we're talking

00:44:04.600 --> 00:44:10.440
about i see what you mean i see what you mean so basically row okay so this is the first one

00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:16.440
that i think we could maybe agree there is a shred of merit too because you could make the argument

00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:26.680
that schlepp is is offering what these people want and claiming and trying to move them off

00:44:26.680 --> 00:44:32.120
platform if if if that actually happened which schlepp claims it didn't twice in this document

00:44:32.120 --> 00:44:37.880
it says that he didn't this is all we know right now so it depends it depends on the it depends

00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:42.600
on the scenario if he's trying to move people off platform then sure but if he's being asked to move

00:44:42.600 --> 00:44:47.720
off platform then i don't think that's his problem i don't think that's his problem at all no okay number

00:44:47.720 --> 00:44:55.800
four that schlepp is sharing or soliciting personally identifiable information is he doxing

00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:01.640
these people and or is sharing or soliciting well soliciting would already be just what yeah what

00:45:01.640 --> 00:45:06.840
does that mean it just means asking for oh so by asking these people for any kind of personally

00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:11.000
identifiable information and i could see that being against to us and i could see row blocks

00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:20.120
having something to stand on here sure however kind of again one grain of sand on the beach i

00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:30.200
asl oh my there's a throwback yeah it's been a minute there's a throwback it's it's funny because

00:45:30.200 --> 00:45:34.840
i didn't really think much of it at the time but i definitely had adults say that to me

00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.040
when i was definitely a minor oh yeah that was like

00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:48.280
sorry but someone chats it 14 f cali and that's just like that was indeed the joke back then

00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:57.400
also you're a liar yeah yeah we know our demographics

00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:05.960
it's like 28 m cali

00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:14.920
an optimistic 28 whenever is that our democrat is it higher than 28 no uh no not necessarily

00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:19.480
yeah i didn't think so 18 to 45 i actually think if you looked at like the most common one it's

00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:25.960
probably it's 25 to 35 yeah okay yeah so if i recall correctly so 28 m cali is probably actually

00:46:26.040 --> 00:46:31.880
like a probably pretty uh yeah pretty bang on it's not too bad Yvonne and i have kind of like a

00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:40.120
little like a thing so whenever like whenever a woman starts approaching like they're gonna like

00:46:40.120 --> 00:46:46.360
they're gonna talk to me i'll like i'll like give her i'll give her a little look Yvonne i mean

00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:53.080
i'll give Yvonne a little look stop you knew what i meant no i knew already the clarification was

00:46:53.080 --> 00:46:56.760
funny because i realized that other people might think the other way so i'll give Yvonne a little

00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:03.320
look and it's like uh it's like uh wait for it wait for it look so so she walks up

00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:12.200
hi my boyfriend is such a big fan or or here's the other one hey

00:47:14.040 --> 00:47:17.960
my boyfriend was way too shy to come talk to you can you take a picture with him

00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:24.760
those are the two most common things yeah and you can substitute boyfriend with husband or son

00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:30.360
it's a fun when it's not that it's fun because it's like you you found a uh like a rare rare

00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:37.880
pull yeah yeah it's like oh sick there's like one of our really small female audience you are the

00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:46.680
one percent yeah it's like the heck yeah always fun like oh wait they do exist let's go yeah yeah

00:47:46.680 --> 00:47:53.160
we did it yeah it's it's it's a it's a good one it's a good one anyway anyway let's let's carry on

00:47:53.160 --> 00:48:01.560
um in schlepps video he explains why he engages in this kind of vigilante justice which i don't

00:48:01.560 --> 00:48:07.320
even i don't even know if i'd consider it to be fully vigilante if you are involving law enforcement

00:48:08.200 --> 00:48:14.280
like it's it's certainly vigilante if you try to apprehend the person

00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:19.800
you know you interesting yeah i don't know if you try to punish them like if you try to play

00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:26.920
you know the role of judge jury executioner your judge dread um but i don't know that i would necessarily

00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:36.840
i don't know if i would necessarily agree um yeah because so vigilante's definition

00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.920
is a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community

00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.800
without legal authority typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate

00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:53.080
and i guess they're taking a portion of it yeah but they're not actually enforcing the law yeah

00:48:53.080 --> 00:48:57.400
they're finding the person and then handing the information to enforce the law over to the cops

00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:03.320
i don't know where the line on that ends up with like what they are like it does does that mean

00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:08.280
they're a vigilante even though they're not enforcing the law because i have seen situations

00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:13.800
where these people detain people for these types of yeah things and that's enforcing the law

00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:19.320
a whole other situation to a certain degree okay but we need to have a bit of a side conversation

00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:27.400
here because apparently it's vigilante not vigilante yep all right what do i say you said

00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:33.080
vigilante yeah yeah apparently i apparently i said it wrong i did another i did another Linus

00:49:33.080 --> 00:49:38.360
oh where i just assume i assume based on the spelling of this word that it has kind of a french

00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:48.040
origin um so whack dude yeah that may be true the term oh it actually has spanish orie spanish

00:49:48.040 --> 00:49:54.120
origins not french so i don't i i don't know a lick of spanish so i don't i have no idea

00:49:54.840 --> 00:50:04.040
how the yeah yeah exactly um one uno uno uno staco that like that's as far as i could get

00:50:04.040 --> 00:50:08.600
no dose trace quattro cinco el mayo

00:50:11.560 --> 00:50:16.040
and i only know that because the the sublime song um

00:50:18.040 --> 00:50:22.440
so yeah i made the assumption based on the spelling that it had a french origin

00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:27.560
which i was wrong about and then if it had a french origin my pronunciation wouldn't have been

00:50:27.560 --> 00:50:34.360
outlandish um i will keep that in mind you guys have successfully uh vigilante

00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:43.240
justice to me and enforce the law of english um someone in tulping chat karo said uh that is

00:50:43.240 --> 00:50:49.240
like saying calling in a tip as vigilante is and i don't think that is the equivalent no it's not

00:50:49.240 --> 00:50:56.680
at all because you are actively engaging with the individual so i mean i think it's it's more akin to

00:50:57.640 --> 00:51:03.960
seeing someone behaving suspiciously and then like like following them in your car

00:51:05.240 --> 00:51:10.920
while you're like on the phone with the police with their hands free because it's 2025 and

00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:16.920
and like you know trying to like help them round them up like or even going as far as like

00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.320
kind of steering them in one direction versus another direction i remember one time literally

00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:25.720
driving home cops will tell you not to do generally speaking from my understanding exactly so i was

00:51:25.720 --> 00:51:30.760
driving home from here one time yeah and there was an obviously drunk driver who if i remember

00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.400
correctly they even like bumped a median at some point stuff like they were very obviously drunk

00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:41.320
this was not distracted driving this was impaired driving and i i called it in um and i was giving

00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:45.960
them updates on like where they were and they were like this is a weird traffic pattern are you

00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:54.440
following them and then my brain was like calculating and i was like no i am going home and

00:51:55.320 --> 00:52:00.040
i'm afraid to pass them yeah something something and the the person on the phone was like

00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:09.000
okay and then i was like yeah i suspect i won't be able to keep uh giving you tabs on that because

00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:15.400
like i am gonna not be able to see them for long and they were like okay and then i kept following

00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:20.440
them for our uh going home for like i think a minute or two and then was like this is gonna

00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:25.640
get bad so i just bailed but i bet you they were never caught because i had to bail because like

00:52:25.640 --> 00:52:32.120
i was it was very clear i was going to get in trouble i'm a little surprised at how for not

00:52:32.120 --> 00:52:38.120
following them i'm a little surprised at how little we've seen law enforcement use just like

00:52:38.120 --> 00:52:44.840
cheap consumer drones for stuff like this like in cases where um you know there's a really

00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:51.000
egregious uh speeding offense or where a high-profile suspect is fleeing like they'll pull out a

00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:56.200
helicopter to like chase them and it's like okay but like what if there was a middle what if there

00:52:56.200 --> 00:53:02.520
was somewhere in between car and helicopter and to be clear i know it is a thing i just mean i'm

00:53:02.520 --> 00:53:06.600
i'm surprised i don't do it more no i i don't remember where i thought it was in the uk but

00:53:06.600 --> 00:53:12.520
i'm not sure where it is they have like a a drone unit and they have like a tower somewhere in the

00:53:12.520 --> 00:53:17.160
city where they launch the drones from um and it's like a whole thing but i don't remember where oh

00:53:17.160 --> 00:53:22.920
interesting i don't remember where it is i watched like a little mini doc on it um lobster says the

00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:29.800
range on them is just not that great but like i mean yeah it doesn't have to be that great like

00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:35.800
they're so low cost uh if you just had like a little landing pad on like especially these days

00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:41.480
i'm like every police station yeah like i to be to be clear i'm not i'm not saying compared to

00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:47.720
literally sending out a helicopter one time uh beto 588 says they do it lots in california

00:53:47.720 --> 00:53:51.880
apparently yeah and and i was i don't know if this is the one i was talking about but i was

00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:56.760
right apparently the uk does have like a drone unit yeah and kiln just says they do drones when

00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:05.000
the purpose on foot so it might be like a speed issue then interesting yeah okay florida's rolling

00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:13.960
them out as well some other places there you go uh etzium says helicopter maintenance is expensive

00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:19.720
yeah exactly that's that's what i'm saying you send out the helicopter one time uh and you could

00:54:19.720 --> 00:54:27.080
have bought a bunch of drones yeah to be honest all right anyway back to back to the topic um

00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:33.880
anyway in schleps video he explains why he does this it starts because he cares about roadblocks

00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:38.600
since it was not only his favorite game growing up but also because he met his current girlfriend

00:54:38.600 --> 00:54:42.680
through the platform so it has kind of a special place in his heart but and this is where things

00:54:42.680 --> 00:54:49.080
get a little bit more kind of real um it's also because when he was playing when he was younger

00:54:49.080 --> 00:54:57.800
he was a victim of some of these predators so he feels it's right to make sure that no child

00:54:57.800 --> 00:55:03.880
goes through the same thing schlep is now banned from ever accessing roadblocks again

00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:08.760
even on his family friendly channel where he just casually plays the game if you are interested in

00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:13.160
learning more and doing some research for yourself he has a website schlep.tv where you can support

00:55:13.160 --> 00:55:18.200
his content over there as he continues on this journey um here's some extra roadblock stats

00:55:18.200 --> 00:55:27.480
according to the demand sage dot com 380 million monthly active users 85.3 million daily active

00:55:27.560 --> 00:55:33.720
users now i do suspect that's a little juiced um i i was looking at uh heard some stats it's like

00:55:33.720 --> 00:55:40.600
more than half juiced my my son's computer um like his monitor wasn't off when he was away at

00:55:40.600 --> 00:55:46.440
camp for a week and i was like why isn't his monitor turning off so i went to go like power cfg

00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:52.040
like what what's keeping it away and i was like oh there is a dragged down like idle game in the

00:55:52.040 --> 00:56:00.040
bottom corner so like i mean if there's a lot of that going on i wish there certainly is which

00:56:00.040 --> 00:56:06.040
there certainly is then this may not be quite neat yeah it's also like as far as i know like

00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:13.800
was super bothered i mean everything is these days but like but there's an estimated 32 and a

00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:20.520
half million of those 85 million monthly or daily active users that are supposed to be

00:56:20.520 --> 00:56:27.960
apparently under the age of 13 wow uh so our discussion question then is chris hanson wildly

00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:32.680
increased the popularity of vigilanteism against child predators and for many years now we've seen

00:56:32.680 --> 00:56:38.120
people on all sorts of platforms like twitch kick roadblocks youtube etc attempt to do the same

00:56:38.120 --> 00:56:45.800
thing here's well here's a question though is chris hanson of vigilante because he the cops

00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:51.000
would arrest the person as far as my understanding goes chris hanson never touched anybody yeah he

00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:58.600
just talked to them yeah no i i would i would say no i don't know like what the the legal line is

00:56:58.600 --> 00:57:04.280
but what he sure as heck isn't is a law enforcement officer totally but he didn't enforce the law

00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:11.320
either i certainly see i certainly see why people would draw a parallel so i can say that much he

00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:18.760
he like it detected he found he didn't enforce but then i did it in direct association with

00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:23.160
law enforcement rather than doing it and then turning over data

00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:32.520
but then is that just are we basically saying hey law enforcement needs to kind of get it

00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:38.760
together and work with people on this then like if if people are willing to do it for free and all

00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:44.280
they have to do is kind of have a department that is like overseeing it hey yeah sure but then

00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:49.000
they're they might be responsible for what some of these people do and some of them are like deeply

00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:57.160
not okay oh yeah um okay i wasn't finished my discussion question though okay the discussion

00:57:57.160 --> 00:58:07.960
question is a is a spicy one are you in support of vigilanteism or do you agree with the stance of

00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:14.200
roblox and others that doing this often leads to no actual charges uh because of doing this

00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:19.960
like because you are not necessarily like doing it properly it can it can make it difficult to

00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:31.720
charge these people hold on hasn't he been successful by he has been successful in working with local

00:58:31.720 --> 00:58:36.280
police so that's just not true he has been but that's but but to be clear we're talking more

00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:42.200
broadly more broadly speaking a lot of the times this kind of vigilanteism can create problems with

00:58:42.200 --> 00:58:47.640
the legal case that can allow these people to walk free i think one big problem with this question

00:58:47.640 --> 00:58:58.120
in general is that it's such a any group that you can freely join or enter without anyone's input

00:58:58.120 --> 00:59:07.640
at all is a problem yeah always yep because any bad actor can join and do things under the banner

00:59:07.640 --> 00:59:15.560
at any time and especially a thing like this where the banner is hey we are trying to do a

00:59:16.120 --> 00:59:23.320
objectively universal good which is stopping children from being preyed upon yep that banner

00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:30.120
is pretty neat oh banner however someone with bad intentions to go oh i was doing good things

00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:36.440
so like it's it's dangerous it's hard to say universally uh yes this is okay people should do

00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:42.200
it um i think it would be really great if there was programs where you could work with the cops

00:59:42.200 --> 00:59:46.760
and they were overseeing what you were doing and they had to be able to like be able to have access

00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:49.880
to all of your chat logs and everything and like all that kind of stuff and make sure that it was

00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:57.640
all above board because i think things could go bad quick um and you should be like if if you do

01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:09.800
yeah yeah man this is uh this is tough because there as far as my understanding goes there have

01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:19.160
been genuinely innocent people caught and lives ruined over uh you know whatever assumptions

01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:24.520
um i don't know how much that's people hiding behind that yeah it's hard to say because their

01:00:24.520 --> 01:00:28.520
case got thrown out of court because something happened incorrectly and then they said oh it

01:00:28.520 --> 01:00:32.520
got thrown out of court that means i'm innocent but do process even if they're not as inconvenient

01:00:32.520 --> 01:00:40.040
as it might be does exist for a reason very important yeah i so that's why i i when i hear

01:00:40.040 --> 01:00:45.720
this thing of like he's not actually doing any of the enforcement he's just gathering chat logs

01:00:45.720 --> 01:00:51.880
handing over over to the police and it has been successful to me that's like huge w jamie jamie

01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:56.760
cullen says had a neighbor get questioned live on facebook by a predator hunter group false

01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:02.600
accusations ruined him and and hopefully your neighbor actually wasn't involved in any of that

01:01:02.600 --> 01:01:10.040
stuff and you know i don't i don't know i wasn't i wasn't there i i didn't didn't see any of it

01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:16.360
but if that's the case that's that's horrible that is a that is a completely unacceptable

01:01:17.080 --> 01:01:23.560
collateral damage outcome like you can't you can't blow up hospitals because a couple of bad guys

01:01:23.560 --> 01:01:33.480
might be in there well that's true yeah i no i agree so like it's uh that's where it gets not

01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:42.360
everyone agrees yeah i think that's as close as we're going to get to that topic literally ever

01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:54.120
yeah but i mean uh that's um it's it does make it tough i think it would be good

01:01:54.680 --> 01:02:00.760
if there are routes um because like neighborhood watches are a sanctioned thing right oh yeah

01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:06.200
oh yeah that's true like there are versions of this yeah so why don't we just do it what's the

01:02:06.200 --> 01:02:12.200
neighborhood watch equivalent of that i don't know i don't know either because that's totally

01:02:12.200 --> 01:02:16.120
a thing and like there's things as the neighborhood watch that you can't do because like i you could

01:02:16.120 --> 01:02:19.960
make the argument that because the neighborhood watch you're you're in your home right so it's

01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.880
there's there's a certain sort of like like property you're not just in your home they

01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:29.000
do patrols and stuff they do patrols some of them do patrols they'll walk through alleys and

01:02:29.080 --> 01:02:34.040
sorry i don't i don't necessarily mean your personal property like i mean you are you're

01:02:34.040 --> 01:02:38.280
you're on your turf like there's a there's a there's a there's almost like a standard ground

01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:43.400
i understand i misunderstood i got home defense element of it but like why wouldn't that necessarily

01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:49.880
extend to my online domain and i don't mean a domain a literal domain like dot com i mean like

01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:58.280
like my online i don't know i don't know how to describe it other than my my turf my my zone my

01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:06.920
my chill hangouts you know yeah to add to this uh binky draws said and i love this story i've

01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:10.040
well that's not a good story but it's a very interesting one and i reference it all the time

01:03:10.600 --> 01:03:14.200
reddit has a famous story where they went after a kid they thought did the boston bombings but it

01:03:14.200 --> 01:03:18.280
turns out the kid committed suicide unrelated to the event and reddit started going after their

01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:23.960
family that's the whole we did it reddit reference yeah i know like yeah that was brutal there are

01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:30.200
there are clear and obvious downsides to just like deciding that somebody did something without

01:03:30.200 --> 01:03:36.760
going through any form of like real proper process and then uh social justicing the heck out of them

01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:43.640
when um they they possibly didn't do it like it's it's it's rough uh that being said

01:03:45.160 --> 01:03:50.360
i like the idea if they're gonna work with law enforcement and they're gonna try to do it as

01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:54.200
properly as you can no systems ever going to be perfect but if they genuinely try to do it as

01:03:54.200 --> 01:04:00.120
properly as they can from what i've read it sounds like schlepp is doing that i think that's cool

01:04:00.120 --> 01:04:06.440
so i'm not going to say a blanket like vigilante justice is good so you don't stand with spider

01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:16.440
man i see but i would so that's tough yeah but not all these people are spider man which is the

01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.920
problem right some of these people are terrible people going oh there's a banner that makes

01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:25.160
everyone think i'm good and then acting terribly that is absolutely a thing that's happening so

01:04:25.160 --> 01:04:31.160
it's it's a it's touchy ground i think a sanctioned sanctioned group would be cool having like

01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:35.720
they should even go you know the old like neighborhood watch signage that like looked

01:04:35.720 --> 01:04:42.200
kind of cool yeah they should do that and make it like the guy with the hat or whatever right yeah

01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:46.120
yeah yeah yeah they should do they should do that and make it like or similar to that and

01:04:46.120 --> 01:04:54.520
make it like internet watch watch sign hold on okay apparently there's a movie called that

01:04:54.520 --> 01:05:02.120
yeah yeah yeah the guy that looked like a canadian yeah hey buddy that's his jacket get out of here

01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:03.400
but i do agree

01:05:06.040 --> 01:05:11.960
yeah that i'm gonna do crime but yeah that logo was sick do do like something kind of

01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:17.480
similar to that but make them like add a computer or something um and make it internet watch i think

01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:23.320
that'd be dope because yeah like screw this stuff man um it's not good

01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:33.960
all right why don't we move on to our next topic Dan or are you not tracking time today

01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:42.280
you are perfectly on time no one minute 26 seconds that's impossible so this is i adjusted

01:05:43.080 --> 01:05:50.920
perfect okay perfect job sir oh thank you speaking of uh not being your buddy friend

01:05:58.600 --> 01:06:04.200
oh where are we going yeah the first word of this was the wrong word um which is why i couldn't

01:06:04.200 --> 01:06:09.800
read it while steam has been having issues with mastercard and visa threatening to pull

01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:17.000
payment processing due to adult content allegedly steam has been quietly fighting with paypal at

01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:23.240
the same time users trying to purchase games with paypal are receiving an error message that reads

01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:29.560
we are temporarily unable to process transactions with this payment method at this time the earliest

01:06:29.560 --> 01:06:34.920
reports that pc gamer could dig up show this issue appearing as early as a month ago in countries like

01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:41.720
the eu and also mexico while some theorized that these paypal issues may have been related to the

01:06:41.720 --> 01:06:52.520
nsfw crackdown a new pop-up message clearly states the problem and here it is in early july 2025 which

01:06:52.520 --> 01:07:01.240
aligns with um what pc gamer was able to find paypal notified valve that their acquiring bank

01:07:01.240 --> 01:07:07.800
for payment transactions in certain currencies was immediately terminating the processing

01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:14.760
of any transactions related to steam this affects steam purchases using paypal in currencies other

01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:23.480
than euro cad uh gbp uh japanese yen australian dollars and us dollars we hope to offer paypal

01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:30.280
as an option for these currencies in the future but the timeline is uncertain we are also evaluating

01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:36.680
adding additional payment methods on steam for the customers affected by this so that's that's

01:07:36.680 --> 01:07:44.920
all a quote from the new pop-up message is this paypal's fault hard to say what's the acquiring

01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:52.680
bank here's some ignorance for you uh not in my notes got it cool chat on august 14th of valves

01:07:52.680 --> 01:07:57.880
no like what sorry what is an acquiring bank i don't know okay yep you can look it up

01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:04.280
i'll let me let me go through the notes for the rest um on august 14th a valve spokesperson

01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:10.680
confirmed to rock paper shotgun that the withdrawal of support from the acquiring bank is regarding

01:08:10.680 --> 01:08:17.160
content on steam and is related to what we've previously commented on commented on surrounding

01:08:17.160 --> 01:08:27.720
mastercard wow okay acquiring bank is the bank that like gets the funds from the credit card

01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:34.600
okay so basically we have yet another situation down the chain where financial institutions

01:08:35.320 --> 01:08:46.040
are dictating what we can or cannot buy with our f***ing money i'm just i'm just trying to say

01:08:46.040 --> 01:08:51.480
i am one of the first people to step up to bat whenever a hating paypal competition begins

01:08:52.360 --> 01:08:57.240
this doesn't necessarily seem like it's paypal no it does not appear to be i'm just trying to be

01:08:57.240 --> 01:09:05.400
real uh this feels like paypal is passing on a problem from these acquiring banks um and i'm

01:09:05.400 --> 01:09:12.280
just i'm having a hard time trying to trying to wrap my brain around this like is the concern

01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:19.560
because we've talked on the show before but we'll do a bit of a sort of recap here only fans ran

01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:26.840
into big challenges with payment processors like stripe where they were allegedly being pressured

01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:31.880
from upstream um so this would have been coming from the credit card companies i guess maybe

01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:36.280
or maybe coming from farther upstream it's very hard to say because the whole thing is kind of

01:09:36.280 --> 01:09:43.320
shrouded in secrecy but they were getting pressure um not to allow payments through only fans and then

01:09:43.320 --> 01:09:47.240
they saw how much money it was and they backed you down is basically how it went because there

01:09:47.240 --> 01:09:54.040
are no principles once the dollar value gets high enough um and it turns out the whole thing was

01:09:54.120 --> 01:10:01.000
just pure hypocrisy so anywho um shoot where was i going with this

01:10:03.320 --> 01:10:03.960
don't remember

01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:13.480
cool we disagree wait we disagree on what i don't remember nice i'm so tired dude

01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:19.640
it's been yet another very long i wish i could help you back to where we came from but yeah i don't

01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:24.200
i don't know we were talking about how it's not it's not really a paypal thing

01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:33.240
no one else in chat seems to have the answer oh yeah yeah i remember okay okay so so this is

01:10:33.240 --> 01:10:40.120
so this is a thing and as far as i can tell the best kind of rationale in in these various

01:10:40.120 --> 01:10:47.960
situations that i've heard is that these brands don't want their logo associated with certain

01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:56.760
types of content like let's say for instance that you were an escort which i mean you don't know i'm

01:10:56.760 --> 01:11:02.600
not you don't know i'm not give me a little give me a little give me a little pout what's the what's the

01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:08.440
a pout yeah i might be a different type of escort well that doesn't matter the the point is look

01:11:08.440 --> 01:11:12.840
go on go on wink at us yeah come on look right into the camera give us a look i can't wait i can't

01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:21.800
wink at all oh just a little i can't see damn see i can't execute this expert expertly because

01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:30.120
usually i just blink both eyes yeah it looked good okay sure yeah nice your fire um so so let's say

01:11:30.120 --> 01:11:37.880
you're an escort sure and you basically had like uh like uh you there's our us

01:11:45.400 --> 01:11:52.840
sorry i had to brand it i you just gotta do it so so you're um so so your profile

01:11:52.840 --> 01:12:01.880
all right sorry yeah yeah um so your profile on a on a list of some sort you know has uh

01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:08.920
you're wearing a you're wearing a shirt that's like i accept mastercard or something like that

01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:15.560
you know give me your mastercard i well that that's the thing

01:12:19.480 --> 01:12:26.840
yeah they're actually sweatpants remember the like butt print that used to be on sweatpants

01:12:27.080 --> 01:12:30.600
yeah

01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:36.680
no so not down okay so anyway that's your profile

01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:43.880
the argument that these brands seem to be making is that they do not want that kind of

01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:49.000
association they don't want to be associated so obviously it wouldn't be quite as direct as that

01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:57.080
yeah yeah but on this undesirable content their their logo would appear and logo placement and

01:12:57.080 --> 01:13:03.800
associated content like it or not agree or not there's a high degree of brand sensitivity

01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:08.600
around it there's tons dude you can look up uh style guides on how you have to use different

01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:13.160
brands logos and they're like how much spacing there needs to be around it what color backgrounds

01:13:13.160 --> 01:13:17.720
the various versions of it are allowed to be on it's it's painful actually actually quite

01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:23.640
extensive but hopefully we'll just ignore it but when you have a strong brand i can understand

01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:34.360
the desire to to protect it however let me just let me just um you know for the sake of argument

01:13:34.360 --> 01:13:44.200
say something i don't give two shits about mastercards or visa's brand is there anyone out

01:13:44.200 --> 01:13:51.320
there that's like wow i like there's gotta be somebody but i hear what you're saying i like

01:13:51.320 --> 01:13:57.800
paypal i go out of my way to use paypal okay i actually do know people that are like that it's

01:13:57.800 --> 01:14:05.640
usually because in their country for whatever reason credit cards are difficult um and they

01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:13.560
they use paypal as like a credit card workaround for web payments ixfn724 says i'm a slut for diners

01:14:13.560 --> 01:14:21.720
club is that but that's not visa or mastercard that's a big equivalent sub brand isn't it no

01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:26.280
diners diners club and like diners club discover like there's other credit card brands but they're

01:14:26.280 --> 01:14:33.880
all running on the visa and mastercard back ends serious and whatever else i'm i bet you

01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:37.080
oh they're real they're probably on the same back end but i don't get because serious is just

01:14:37.080 --> 01:14:45.000
mastercard it's like NVIDIA selling an NVIDIA branded GPU mastercard siris has their own card

01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:49.560
and it's master oh okay so i'm confused because diners wasn't at some point but maybe they are now

01:14:49.560 --> 01:14:57.000
and discover is their own network same with mx oh yeah so so no there there are more it is not

01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:02.120
quite it's not just a duopoly yeah i'm not like super up to speed yeah yeah it's not quite a duopoly

01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:06.920
says says chat so make of that i mean no other i mean they're they're probably but like these

01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:17.320
these diners club is these brands like our is it not doing more damage to them that they are

01:15:17.320 --> 01:15:24.440
interfering with us spending our own money on whatever it is that we want versus having their

01:15:24.440 --> 01:15:29.640
logo next to something why don't they just say don't show our logo honestly even with even with

01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:35.160
the fact that there is more than two and two is already more than one i think the effective

01:15:35.160 --> 01:15:42.200
monopoly that these players have they just don't care but they do seem to care that's the thing

01:15:43.400 --> 01:15:48.680
why do they care that's what i'm trying to figure out always felt like i already hate you anyway

01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:56.760
yeah like we we hate you anyway you literally just like sit and and scrape off of every transaction

01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:04.840
i've actually been i've been thinking about it more lately and um i've like i often forget

01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:08.440
because it's so convenient because it's the one i keep at the front of my wallet but you know what

01:16:08.440 --> 01:16:16.440
i'm gonna do it now i'm gonna move my debit card to the front of my wallet because why would i use

01:16:16.440 --> 01:16:25.800
my credit card it literally just costs whoever i'm buying from anywhere from an additional

01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:33.160
that's kind of a pretty based way to see it like i like that that's cool like it's brutal they're

01:16:33.160 --> 01:16:38.360
just gonna say you get points for yourself yeah because what i could do is i could just because

01:16:38.360 --> 01:16:44.120
like my points like i'll i'll get like a one percent cashback but why don't i just use my debit card

01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:52.680
and then tip 19 percent it's effectively the same thing yeah but i give visa nothing yeah

01:16:52.760 --> 01:17:00.120
yeah kind of sick kind of sick people are saying extended warranties buyer protection yeah yeah it

01:17:00.120 --> 01:17:06.280
can be very useful fraud protection can be very useful it's a more security in general i don't

01:17:06.280 --> 01:17:12.840
know about more security not sure if i they have more like i would say like insurances on having

01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:18.200
issues with them yeah that can be true not necessarily more security okay fine so they're

01:17:18.200 --> 01:17:22.280
providing a valuable service but what gives them the right to decide where i can spend my money

01:17:22.280 --> 01:17:28.280
that's my objection do debit cards not that i'm aware because this one said the acquiring bank was

01:17:28.280 --> 01:17:33.720
the problem so could a debit card that you have with a bank do this is there any place that has

01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:39.080
that problem debit cards use the same payment networks i've got a merch message here that's

01:17:39.080 --> 01:17:44.040
kind of related to down in a way with regard to the PayPal situation should a bank be allowed to

01:17:44.040 --> 01:17:49.800
choose its customers i mean i'm pretty sure they do you can't have proceeds of crimes or drugs and

01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:54.920
stuff like that you might not be able to get alone i don't think they're i don't think they're

01:17:54.920 --> 01:18:00.920
allowed to choose that though i think that's like they're like i know that there's there's there's

01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:07.160
a big conversation in the states right now around banks supposed previous discriminatory practices

01:18:07.160 --> 01:18:12.040
alleged alleged discriminatory discriminatory practices around being allowed to choose their

01:18:12.120 --> 01:18:20.840
own customers and it looks like the general consensus is that while there has been a sort

01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:26.040
of right for banks to choose their own customers though that may not necessarily be the case

01:18:26.040 --> 01:18:31.720
going forward so it seems like there is at least some momentum towards no you actually are not

01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:37.000
like allowed to choose who banks with you what what does that mean

01:18:37.160 --> 01:18:46.200
how does that get enforced what does banking constitute does banking include getting a loan

01:18:47.160 --> 01:18:50.360
because they have to be able they have to be able to choose who they give loans to

01:18:50.360 --> 01:18:54.760
but not choose based on any sort of um how do you police that

01:18:56.600 --> 01:19:00.360
loop i don't have the answers to this because you're gonna have like an interview

01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:07.080
or they're gonna read your name on on a on a document yeah you'll have that i mean i think

01:19:07.080 --> 01:19:12.120
that's a big part of why these institutions hide behind algorithms because then they can just be

01:19:12.120 --> 01:19:17.880
like well i i didn't know what computer says no i didn't know what color their skin was yeah i just

01:19:17.880 --> 01:19:25.400
all i knew was the neighborhood they lived in and the school they went to and and their name and

01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:32.520
and yeah i knew that what their spending habits are and what their online browsing

01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:37.480
activity is very likely yeah that that's all i knew what various accounts they have

01:19:38.440 --> 01:19:43.880
that's all i knew what are all those sites like something mingle.com they're on they

01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:51.080
they use that we know that give me a bit of a hint farmers only farm yeah very good

01:19:51.080 --> 01:19:58.840
oh i check the gathering gamers mingle isn't that like a self-help group

01:20:01.080 --> 01:20:04.680
are you tired of your partner leaving you because you spent too much money on magic cards campaign

01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:12.760
right you both did generally speaking i think for job i think what we would

01:20:14.040 --> 01:20:19.240
prefer and i'm gonna try and speak on behalf of luke as well so we can kind of summarize this

01:20:19.240 --> 01:20:27.800
and wrap it up i think what we would prefer is that credit organizations and banking organizations

01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:37.960
get out of the way big time and do their job which is to be a facilitator and not do things

01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:45.400
other than that your job should be to store and move move and in some ways with my consent

01:20:45.400 --> 01:20:50.280
manipulate the money that i have and when i choose to deposit or i choose to withdraw

01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:58.680
you should get out of the way unless those funds are the proceeds of criminal activity human

01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:08.280
trafficking illicit substances trafficking you know cool so if you're looking for anything to do

01:21:08.920 --> 01:21:17.240
i'm not saying to do this but i will objectively pass along that the community has mounted petitions

01:21:17.240 --> 01:21:24.520
and campaigns calling for people to overwhelm visa and mastercard support with constant complaints

01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:31.880
about their policies interesting i wouldn't encourage anybody to do that

01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:39.080
yeah but if you wanted to um just stay away from learning how to do those things there's

01:21:39.080 --> 01:21:45.400
there's many resources online all right cool so be careful with your internet oh this is rumor

01:21:45.400 --> 01:21:52.520
mill uh anna v an nsf w vtuber and outspoken poster regarding the mastercard ban claims a

01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:57.720
source reached out to them claiming that mastercard a major e-sports sponsor has requested that riot

01:21:58.280 --> 01:22:03.480
and e-sports content creators working with riot games keep an eye out for negative sentiment

01:22:03.480 --> 01:22:12.440
towards mastercard i mean do the do do do you really need anyone to keep an eye out for that

01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:24.680
like it it's there yeah we all hate this you're welcome yeah i don't know all right cool i don't

01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:30.280
think i've ever heard anyone ever say a positive thing about any of the like credit backbone

01:22:30.280 --> 01:22:37.320
companies they clearly just like prey on people um i don't i i think their fight is to try to

01:22:37.320 --> 01:22:40.680
take it from negative to neutral if anything i don't think they're ever expecting to get

01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:45.320
to positive i don't think you can be in that industry and expect people to get to positive

01:22:45.320 --> 01:22:54.280
with you don't think so personally i mean i've definitely i hear people speak positively about

01:22:54.360 --> 01:23:01.800
individual cards yeah that's a thing this is a good card amix seems to have a pretty strong brand

01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:07.480
yep these days i've personally never been able to figure that out they are a backbone thing

01:23:07.480 --> 01:23:15.400
really why uh well okay because i don't value the perks that they offer got it like i i like

01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:25.240
okay i guess we're gonna do the thing where i sort of real talk i could afford you know

01:23:26.040 --> 01:23:30.200
uh what are the what are the mx perks though i don't have a i don't know what perks you're talking

01:23:30.200 --> 01:23:37.640
about um okay like you can like you can this is not an amix commercial yeah not even a little um

01:23:37.640 --> 01:23:41.960
but like i hear people speak positively about them as well like i i could afford the annual

01:23:42.280 --> 01:23:46.680
wouldn't everyone have them sorry if they're that good wouldn't everyone and they're so uncommon

01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:53.080
no no because they have really high fees so i could afford the fee of a centurion i think it's

01:23:53.080 --> 01:23:58.360
invite only so i couldn't necessarily even get one but it's the black card okay like like the

01:23:58.360 --> 01:24:04.760
amix black card cool um but the the perks that it offers are not things that i really value

01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:11.640
like you you can like at certain festivals they'll have like a tent where you can go okay

01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:14.200
and yet that's not for us

01:24:17.480 --> 01:24:19.000
we're we're not gonna benefit from this

01:24:30.200 --> 01:24:37.080
okay anyway so you can get access to things like travel rewards um airport lounges

01:24:38.040 --> 01:24:44.280
personally i get anxiety when i sit in an airport lounge because i'm somewhere not at my gate

01:24:44.280 --> 01:24:47.480
you feel like you're gonna miss it yeah i feel like i'm gonna miss my flight so that has zero

01:24:47.480 --> 01:24:53.880
value to me whatsoever coming back from defcon it was close because we were sitting in an airport

01:24:53.880 --> 01:25:00.520
lounge um and i like happened to check the time it was like oh we need to be there in like

01:25:01.240 --> 01:25:06.120
eight minutes until boarding ends and while we were running there they call their names over the

01:25:06.120 --> 01:25:12.440
thing according to an ai overview so take take this for what it is um the centurion card

01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:18.920
also offers automatic elite status with various hotel and car rental programs

01:25:21.320 --> 01:25:29.800
um i have never i'll be i again i i i could probably like get elite with a hotel chain

01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:35.720
or something but i stay in hotels based on how close they are to whatever it is that i'm doing

01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:40.360
not based on that they have a super nice cool brand i don't care about that at all i have

01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:48.920
literally zero loyalty to any hotel brand you can you can take that to the bank um so i don't care

01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:56.200
about that but maybe elite status is really cool okay rest assured says my boss has an mx black

01:25:56.200 --> 01:26:01.880
and he gets free car rentals somehow but see that's the thing he doesn't get free car rentals

01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:13.160
mx centurion he's paying for it price so the cost of it is a one-time initiation fee of ten

01:26:13.160 --> 01:26:21.480
thousand dollars and a five thousand dollar annual fee oh so he doesn't get free he doesn't get free

01:26:21.480 --> 01:26:27.160
anything he gets that he already paid for it is your first year 15 grand or is the five grand

01:26:27.160 --> 01:26:34.280
included in the ten grand um it is fifteen thousand dollars for the first year it's crappy dp

01:26:34.280 --> 01:26:42.520
says but if you spend more than ten thousand dollars in rentals hear me out uh yeah now to be

01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:50.360
clear mx has lower lower fee cards yeah way lower i think i think they're cobalt or something like

01:26:50.440 --> 01:26:57.160
a hundred bucks i'm specifically talking about like the black card yeah um that that has like

01:26:57.160 --> 01:27:02.760
sort of this urban urban legend around it that it has an unlimited credit limit on it

01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:08.600
i mean which is not true at all they have no annual fee cards yeah there you go so whatever

01:27:08.600 --> 01:27:13.640
so i i don't know i just i find i do find it a little confusing but it's it's been kind of

01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:20.200
showing up in my feed lately that like you know amax is really popular is is like really growing

01:27:20.200 --> 01:27:24.840
with like younger generation debt is really growing with younger generations okay no but

01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:29.640
like their share their market share mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah the younger generations market share of debt

01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:36.120
is really growing i know i'm kidding okay yes yes okay yes um dude the the youngins on the

01:27:36.120 --> 01:27:40.840
clarna's is like a huge problem we've talked about that on the show before but it's like just getting

01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:55.320
worse oh no cool um apparently someone bought a house with that card uh or or a don man says

01:27:55.320 --> 01:27:59.000
i had a friend with one of those cards and he could flash that card at restaurants that were

01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:04.440
months out for reservations and we would get a table he bought a house on that card so see this

01:28:04.440 --> 01:28:09.320
is the kind of thing that like if if somebody flashed me that card when i was at like a an

01:28:09.320 --> 01:28:16.040
LTT Store pop-up i probably wouldn't even recognize it yeah like my credit card is black in color

01:28:16.040 --> 01:28:21.800
yeah i wouldn't know like if you have the right black colored card or not so is mine i've had

01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:27.960
the same one since the basement suite so you can kind of like make some assumptions so i like it

01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:34.440
goes to casco 500 credit card yeah do you have an executive member i do i'm an executive member

01:28:34.440 --> 01:28:40.600
very nice very nice i think it started around there executive executive um so like i this is

01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:46.520
clearly a world that i don't really understand it's also a world that is very limited in canada

01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:51.800
compared to the states but it's also apparently a world it's a thing it is it's it's evidently a thing

01:28:55.960 --> 01:29:03.480
hob siltoff says it's also not a credit card as with most mx cards it is a charge card okay

01:29:03.480 --> 01:29:09.240
all right it's time for me to learn it's time for me to learn charge card live on the WAN Show

01:29:09.240 --> 01:29:17.000
credit card versus charge card comparison okay there's no ai overview so we're going straight

01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:24.120
to the horse yeah that's rough here's the horse's mouth credit card versus charge card however there's

01:29:24.120 --> 01:29:30.600
a difference knowing about credit card lets you pay for purchases without cash they offer a line of

01:29:30.600 --> 01:29:35.000
credit or loan that allows you to make purchases and pay back the amount later if you fail to pay

01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:38.520
the balance due in full you are charged an interest on the amount owed okay that was my understanding

01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:44.120
of i thought charge card just meant credit card so here's a charge card a charge card works like a

01:29:44.120 --> 01:29:49.480
credit card okay great case closed no okay we'll actually finish it but without offering the option

01:29:49.480 --> 01:29:56.520
of making a partial payment you are required to pay your charge card bill in full by the due date

01:29:56.760 --> 01:30:01.400
they offer no preset spending limit meaning that your charges are approved based on your

01:30:01.400 --> 01:30:06.120
spending pattern financials credit record in your account history but that's how they determine your

01:30:06.120 --> 01:30:14.760
credit limit this sounds like a distinction without a difference folks except you have to pay the full

01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:22.520
amount which wouldn't that be bad for them no because they still get their processing fee

01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:29.080
remember they win they win whether you're in debt with them or not they're no interest

01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:35.320
effectively but i guess unless you fully fail to unless you fail to pay then i'm sure they'd

01:30:35.320 --> 01:30:40.360
be happy to charge you fees an interest for it which means it's still a credit card

01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:47.560
like i said it appears to be a distinction without a real difference

01:30:48.440 --> 01:30:54.840
um so that's neat doesn't everyone have to get their card replaced over a few years

01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:58.840
yeah how could you have this same card for that long because they just ship me a new one of the

01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:04.840
same card yeah but with different numbers yeah but it's the same account yeah don't worry it's okay

01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:11.160
yeah okay yeah if you don't pay in full they turn the card off and charge fees an interest and may

01:31:11.160 --> 01:31:18.680
cancel your card so the charge card is basically to flex that you are not actually in debt

01:31:21.160 --> 01:31:23.000
through the card sure

01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:32.680
who cares yeah not through this card i might have 12 more in my wallet

01:31:34.120 --> 01:31:39.240
okay invite only lots of things that are invite only are invite only up until the point where

01:31:39.240 --> 01:31:44.280
you have enough money and centurion's not invite only anymore you can apply these days whereas it

01:31:44.280 --> 01:31:49.640
used to be legitimately invite only and apparently there was some kind of black magic around looking

01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:54.360
at your spending patterns not just how much money you spend but like what you spend it on so like i

01:31:54.360 --> 01:32:00.600
never would have gotten an invite because you have to like buy fine dinings and and private travel and

01:32:01.400 --> 01:32:06.600
like concierge services and like all kinds of stay at fancy hotels and stuff like that like they

01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:09.080
only wanted to attract a certain sort of customer

01:32:12.200 --> 01:32:16.600
pball says so a charge card is like a fancy debit card that gets paid at the end of the month

01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:22.040
yeah it's it's basically like a debit card with overdraft yeah

01:32:24.360 --> 01:32:27.480
that you have to pay every month so that's something

01:32:29.400 --> 01:32:32.920
all right what are we supposed to be doing right now now you're gonna do

01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:40.040
you and merch messages oh neat okay let's do that how far off are we done 25 seconds

01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:50.840
no way are you a wizard what happened i changed the uh wancho timing that's what i'm saying wait

01:32:50.840 --> 01:32:57.720
so wait we didn't get better you just got more accurate at predicting our fuckery i think so a

01:32:58.200 --> 01:33:06.200
little bit oh well that's less impressive than no i that's impressive of Dan oh yeah okay i i thought

01:33:06.200 --> 01:33:09.880
we were impressed with ourselves for staying on well the thing is that i could have got it wrong

01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:16.200
and you're the one who's been driving this and it's been perfect so wow everybody wins 55 minutes

01:33:16.200 --> 01:33:25.480
we're 56 where we go dad good good job team now explain what a merch message is all right

01:33:25.480 --> 01:33:30.120
if you want to interact with the show the way to do it is with a merch message we don't do

01:33:30.120 --> 01:33:34.120
like twitch bits or super chats or anything like that because we think when you throw money at your

01:33:34.120 --> 01:33:43.240
screen you should get spectacular merch in return and boy do we ever have a doozy for you this week

01:33:43.240 --> 01:33:46.760
all you got to do to send a merch message is go to lttstore.com

01:33:48.440 --> 01:33:55.080
and be greeted by the scribe driver mechanical pencil that's right my friends we now

01:33:55.640 --> 01:34:01.960
to be unboxed by the one and only luke lafrenier he's not going to screw it up this time we now

01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:10.120
have a mechanical pencil that is made out of harvested shafts that's right when you accidentally

01:34:10.120 --> 01:34:16.040
buy a hundred thousand screwdriver shafts from a supplier that doesn't meet your quality standards

01:34:16.040 --> 01:34:24.040
for screwdrivers but you really want to use those three tons of metal for something you make pens

01:34:24.040 --> 01:34:29.960
or in this case pencils the scribe driver pencil is a precision machine mechanical pencil for an

01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:37.000
elevated everyday carry it's got a premium finish built to the same standards as our tools

01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:42.280
and allows you to write all day long the knurled grip section offers a secure comfortable hold

01:34:42.280 --> 01:34:47.080
for controlling consistency whether you're writing notes or sketching up your next big project

01:34:47.080 --> 01:34:53.720
and they're refillable naturally with 0.5 millimeter lead the schmitt dsm 2007 fine

01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:59.080
minimum pencil system delivers clean consistent lines for writing sketching or making measurements

01:34:59.080 --> 01:35:05.400
and it's preloaded with 0.5 millimeter lead and we could do this entirely like that or we could

01:35:05.400 --> 01:35:12.120
just make life easier and show it like this good effort luke solid i tried so it still has

01:35:13.080 --> 01:35:17.640
kind of a bolt actiony kind of thing going on yes you can operate it from the side yeah but that

01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:24.920
was only to keep it consistent with the id of the pen yes or you can operate it from the top

01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:29.240
yeah because you can just click the top yeah because obviously you would want to click the top

01:35:29.240 --> 01:35:34.760
because it's a mechanical pencil sure but we didn't want it to look so different also this is cute

01:35:34.760 --> 01:35:40.360
yeah i like that you can see the size of the uh i don't know do they still call them pencil lead

01:35:40.360 --> 01:35:48.360
even though they're like graphite or whatever probably sure there it is folks look at it isn't

01:35:48.360 --> 01:36:00.520
it beautiful oh nice you got both there yep heck yeah so we have it in brass or in silver i like

01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:04.600
the idea of having one of each color because you can you can differentiate but that makes it even

01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:17.880
easier uh oh also introducing our series five pins we have six fun new designs by sarah and team

01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:25.000
including blue screen glitter lambo right to repair circuit heart and what we know is going

01:36:25.000 --> 01:36:32.200
to be luke's favorite that's right budgies they already are they're so awesome so that's that's

01:36:32.280 --> 01:36:37.480
scoop and while i scoop is the it's it's kind of a white and blue and then while he's the the green

01:36:37.480 --> 01:36:44.920
and yellow so one of them is holding an LTT CPU the other is holding a Floatplane CPU this is

01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:50.360
obviously styled after like a pantone chip not infringing though not infringing i'm sure of course

01:36:50.360 --> 01:36:58.120
not um and then this one has a little bit of like glitter so it's my it's my old very stylish vehicle

01:36:58.120 --> 01:37:06.760
and then of course we have the CPU heart and right to repair oh yep yep gorgeous pins as always and

01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:11.240
hey don't forget to pick up a wan cork board so that you can put all of your new pins on it

01:37:12.360 --> 01:37:18.920
very cool i'm stoked about the birds that's awesome all right now Dan what am i supposed to do now

01:37:21.160 --> 01:37:27.160
do a merge message i think now we do merge messages okay then we do more topics that's how it works

01:37:27.160 --> 01:37:35.000
okay okay we've got our merge messages okay uh let's see hey dale all super excited for whale

01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:40.600
land i was able to get a whale vip spot anything you're excited for during the event and any

01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:46.920
recommendations to do while in the surrey bc area yeah i'm super excited to it hopefully goes okay

01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:53.560
are there any changes changes compared to last time uh yes i know like you said you were gonna

01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:58.360
force people to not play games or something different force people to not play you were you

01:37:58.360 --> 01:38:05.640
were planning a bunch of stuff oh okay okay okay that's a long-term plan the long-term plan is to

01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:13.800
convert whale land from like a pure by oc to more of like a an experience so this is the same as the

01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:20.040
last one this will be basically a by oc however hopefully if everything goes according to plan

01:38:20.040 --> 01:38:25.080
with what elijah's working on we will actually have a really cool project that people will be able

01:38:25.080 --> 01:38:34.040
to use in person that will be sort of a precursor to some of the upcoming more experience driven

01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:45.400
whale landness so he's working on um i believe it's an 8 v 8 completely like packable rack

01:38:45.400 --> 01:38:52.840
mountable like versus gaming setup nice that's pretty much just going to be pre-loaded with a

01:38:52.840 --> 01:39:01.240
small handful of games allowing people to kind of come in sit down play like right across the monitor

01:39:01.240 --> 01:39:09.400
from each other like literally head to head and um not have to worry about you know the quality of

01:39:09.400 --> 01:39:14.280
the if if someone else's peripherals were a little better or you know their pc was a little better

01:39:14.280 --> 01:39:20.440
and more of like a like an almost competitive like a more esports style um it's going to be

01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:27.480
from what i've seen of the plan a super cool setup so each of the eight systems is going to be

01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:38.200
i want to say it was going to average about two rack units per three rack units per two systems

01:39:38.200 --> 01:39:43.160
or something like that like it's it's like they're going to be really compact and basically you'll

01:39:43.160 --> 01:39:49.960
just have these like like kind of on wheels like rollable rack units at at the ends of the tables

01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:53.880
and then all of the or probably the middle and then they'll come out so that we can keep the

01:39:53.880 --> 01:39:58.200
cable shorter and then it'll do four and four on either side of them and they'll just sit there and

01:39:58.200 --> 01:40:04.520
run this is like a test that we're doing i guess of sorts yeah because everything everything to

01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:12.200
create these experiences has to be like cartable across the parking lot effectively like we've got

01:40:12.200 --> 01:40:16.680
to be or like into the back of a truck and then just like roll out and deploy because otherwise

01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:22.280
we have we're only in there for like a weekend at a time right for whale and events so if it can't be

01:40:22.280 --> 01:40:31.000
set up in a few hours effectively we can't do it so this is going to be kind of a kind of a test

01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:38.520
so that one theoretically should be done in time for us to have there and then there are a couple

01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:42.200
of things that i'm going to want to have there regardless of whether it's for a video or not

01:40:42.200 --> 01:40:46.600
like i want to have a 10 player tape to tape set up i don't think we'll necessarily have

01:40:46.600 --> 01:40:50.840
any of the vr stuff ready for this one but in the future i'd like to do bridge crew

01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:54.920
and kind of cool stuff like that yeah but mostly bridge crew be sick this one's just

01:40:54.920 --> 01:41:04.120
going to be a by oc sure yeah i ran into a problem this time oh you didn't get tickets

01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:10.920
we will have a small staff nobody told me we've done it the same way every time and then no one

01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:17.560
said anything and it's dramatically different now so like a ton of people that have come every time

01:41:17.560 --> 01:41:24.680
we're just like oops what about one didn't know lots of people i worked with chase to get one of

01:41:25.320 --> 01:41:35.160
them fixed because they booked flights and i was like um sorry what was different um there's always

01:41:35.160 --> 01:41:40.760
been like a huge reserve for staff oh well we don't have that many seats yeah but no one said

01:41:40.760 --> 01:41:47.320
anything oh yeah no we don't have that many seats so like the the boys like almost none of them

01:41:47.320 --> 01:41:51.960
yeah because like usually i tell them closer to the event and whatever else like i just

01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:57.720
the reason why i even know is because one of them saw it and like didn't want to

01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:05.000
free boat again so went to go buy a ticket themself and then was like um they're all gone

01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:14.600
can i go and i was like oh yeah they sold out in like two days yeah they sold out really fast

01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:18.600
i mean like that because they messaged me i think because we announced it on wanshow and i think

01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:26.280
they messaged me on like monday or tuesday they were just gone i was like wow yeah that makes sense

01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:30.040
some barky citizen said nobody's telling you many things these days i'm like dude

01:42:31.080 --> 01:42:35.480
that's been true for a long time yeah i knew we have a lot going on huge company there's so many

01:42:35.480 --> 01:42:43.160
things happening i gave a tour to some of emma's cousins yeah last night and over and over and over

01:42:43.160 --> 01:42:51.560
it is wow you guys do a lot of stuff i was like yeah we we we got a lot of things happening

01:42:52.120 --> 01:42:56.840
there's no like it would be a full-time job just to be informed about what's happening that is a

01:42:56.840 --> 01:43:02.280
full-time job his name is terin tom yeah i guess yeah fair enough and even that's like

01:43:02.280 --> 01:43:07.800
that's gotta be tough to keep up with there's so many things yeah i get it um so now i'm sorry

01:43:07.800 --> 01:43:14.920
to hear that um the good news is as i said on reddit when someone asked they were like desperate to

01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:19.720
get a ticket and they were like gonna be at their job which requires them to like leave their phone

01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:24.520
and everything like they work in like a high security facility um so they were like oh what if

01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:30.200
i get don't get one i'll say what i said to them and that's the first one's probably gonna be

01:43:30.200 --> 01:43:35.400
relatively janky and there's gonna be more and there will be more we kind of locked down a plan

01:43:35.400 --> 01:43:40.120
of like how often we want to do it we have a temporary use permit that allows us to run them

01:43:40.120 --> 01:43:47.160
four times a year okay once a quarter yeah and that's right now probably roughly the idea the idea

01:43:47.160 --> 01:43:53.560
and once it's at once a quarter the like graciousness of getting tickets is probably gonna chill out a

01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:59.000
little bit or not or or it'll go higher i suspect it'll go higher with some people

01:43:59.240 --> 01:44:06.680
but the like FOMO of ever doing it yeah will go down i hope so because there's always next quarter

01:44:07.240 --> 01:44:14.760
but because we are limited to the facility that we're in it's not like we can adapt and

01:44:15.320 --> 01:44:21.480
you know do a 350 seat land for a 500 seat land the other thing is the new plan could accommodate

01:44:22.200 --> 01:44:27.240
higher numbers easier because we could do two day passes or one day passes well and you don't

01:44:27.240 --> 01:44:33.080
you wouldn't necessarily have to bring on computer it's still we would still have occupancy limits

01:44:33.080 --> 01:44:38.680
what's the occupancy on that one side um it we would be applying for it temporarily and it would

01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:45.800
be about 250 we can't really go much and we have like that many seats yeah yeah so i mean people

01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:52.040
are at a byo see like people are like pretty packed in um and and so we're not going to be able to

01:44:52.040 --> 01:44:58.360
get it a lot really denser by having couches that people sit around and play games like it's

01:44:58.360 --> 01:45:05.320
i i don't think it's really gonna help that much to be honest with you i'm sorry no it's i just the

01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:11.640
it's been the exact same way for like whatever like five years or whatever so now it's just like

01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:16.280
okay now we just have to ticket snipe this is hilarious or whatever which is fine this is

01:45:16.280 --> 01:45:20.840
hilarious i've already said the first one's probably gonna be kind of janky and tim's going

01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:30.920
can i get an annual pass we'll play chat oh boy yeah we're i'm just gonna have to

01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:38.600
what now nothing don't worry about it no we have to tell us no we'll just have tickets in the future

01:45:38.600 --> 01:45:41.640
that's all i'm saying we'll just all get tickets in the future would be fine

01:45:44.040 --> 01:45:49.160
it would be totally fine we get tickets for packs every single time we never missed it once

01:45:49.160 --> 01:45:56.600
for reasons and we'll do that for here as well chase does take cash bribes not necessary oh are

01:45:56.600 --> 01:46:03.800
we going back to the tricks thing no no no it's fine we'll just we'll just we'll just it'll be

01:46:03.800 --> 01:46:12.120
fine i don't even mind people doing the thing that luke is probably talking about if the ticket is

01:46:12.120 --> 01:46:19.240
for their own use yeah that's fine yes but i could see us we've never scalloped a ticket if the thing

01:46:19.240 --> 01:46:25.000
you're alluding to and not saying explicitly until you just did for some reason what do you mean oh

01:46:25.000 --> 01:46:29.800
sure yeah so oh okay you're you're right you didn't say the thing you said a different thing yeah it's

01:46:29.800 --> 01:46:37.480
fine it's fine the point is that if the thing that luke is alluding to but not saying becomes a problem

01:46:38.120 --> 01:46:44.840
we could end up binding the ticket to the account of the person who bought it and stuff like we

01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:50.840
it could come to that that would still be fine i know you can just do that i just mean it's not

01:46:50.840 --> 01:46:57.320
a bad idea scalping is a problem yes and i we've genuinely never scalloped a ticket i'm not just

01:46:57.320 --> 01:47:02.440
saying that okay it's never happened there are times where we ended up with extra tickets because

01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:08.680
someone decided they couldn't go and we have always sold at cost okay never never scalloped a ticket

01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:13.800
all right all right spaced us says please kill scalping once and for all oh dude

01:47:15.160 --> 01:47:20.040
fully agreed it's so annoying if i could hold up the scalp of scalping i would oh wow

01:47:21.720 --> 01:47:31.880
oh wow i like it uh okay Dan put us why does Linus hate australians that's a good question

01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:36.360
what are you talking about can you elaborate do you have do you have context for this no

01:47:36.360 --> 01:47:42.040
i'm just messing around i have no clue what do you mean i hate australians are they just gonna

01:47:42.040 --> 01:47:46.520
try to blame like shipping or something they're basically they're basically south canadian as

01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:51.320
far as i can tell i really do think the like closest kinship canada has with any other countries

01:47:51.320 --> 01:47:55.320
probably australia as random as that is who are we most similar to

01:47:56.280 --> 01:48:06.840
okay i'm i'm just gonna list sort of like ones i've heard okay so the danish we've been compared

01:48:06.840 --> 01:48:15.480
to the danish okay it's offensive but okay um i think that i think that northern i think that

01:48:15.480 --> 01:48:21.320
northern americans and by that i don't mean north americans i mean northern united states of americans

01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:27.240
i think have a pretty have a pretty strong but that's not the whole country yeah i i know i know

01:48:27.800 --> 01:48:33.080
i'm i'm just i'm just saying that like minnesotans appear to be just like honorary canadiens a lot

01:48:33.080 --> 01:48:42.440
of them um and i really can't tell the difference between like uh like basically like washington

01:48:42.440 --> 01:48:49.320
state or again yeah like they're kind of our pacific northwest bros kind of like the the bc

01:48:49.320 --> 01:48:55.400
washington state organ is kind of like its own like if we were just our own country pnw i think

01:48:55.400 --> 01:49:02.120
probably no one would object to pacific northwestistan like within those three probably not uh

01:49:02.120 --> 01:49:09.400
culturally like we seem to be very similar it'd probably be fine um cascadia yeah let's go cascadia

01:49:09.400 --> 01:49:15.640
but then that's not all of canada i know i know i know i know um australians yes yes that's another

01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:22.600
one i've heard that's about it of those i'd say yeah the australians because they they feel a lot

01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:28.760
of the same pain they have an incredible amount of fraud just like we do they they have a devalued

01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:36.040
crappy currency but they but they have western costs like we do land land mass to population

01:49:36.040 --> 01:49:42.760
density is like almost as bad as canada or worse a huge problem like logistically and like for

01:49:42.760 --> 01:49:46.840
infrastructure which i guess are kind of the same thing they do have more than one road

01:49:47.400 --> 01:49:54.360
mm-hmm um yeah so that we don't have in common we just have the one yep um their housing market

01:49:54.360 --> 01:50:01.720
is also absurd so for a similar reason yeah they they also are are like natural resource fairly

01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:09.640
rich oh yeah yep yep but um i don't think i can think of a major global company that is australia

01:50:09.640 --> 01:50:17.320
based i'm sure there are some a lot of mineral ones sure but i know what you mean like in terms

01:50:17.320 --> 01:50:23.720
of like fintech or like like what we think of as you know your i'm sure they're atlasian oh yeah

01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:28.920
yeah big time oh okay i didn't know that so they've got the one just like us with Shopify then

01:50:28.920 --> 01:50:39.800
knock to a no that's the other yeah that's that's austria yeah australia they are not in fact the

01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:45.480
same thing doesn't it isn't it like austria has a a section of their airport specifically designed

01:50:45.480 --> 01:50:49.400
for people who end up there that thought they were going to australia isn't that a thing shut

01:50:49.400 --> 01:50:54.920
am i just sounds like a squeezy jibs thing i hope i didn't just hear that and it's a joke that's

01:50:55.000 --> 01:51:01.080
gotta be a joke all right james india with people are saying it's a thing you have got to be

01:51:01.080 --> 01:51:06.040
kidding me right now i went to india not indiana just tell me you don't love me

01:51:08.520 --> 01:51:17.000
loves squeezy there's a desk in solsburg airport sorry this is austria not australia need help

01:51:17.000 --> 01:51:22.600
press the button and you can press the button and it's like an sos thing are you flipping

01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:31.000
oh wait no there is no actual not real news says ai okay i look at what didn't happen this week

01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:37.000
okay okay so this is not real then that sucks it would have been so much funnier if it was real

01:51:37.880 --> 01:51:42.040
highly upvoted on nine gag okay yeah okay okay okay so not a real thing

01:51:43.800 --> 01:51:50.120
dang okay that would have been so funny they should just do it as a joke

01:51:51.000 --> 01:51:56.200
it seems like the kind of thing australians would do austrians in this case oh right

01:51:58.520 --> 01:52:05.320
but australians could go there and put that sign on the desk send it do it up i mean there's

01:52:05.320 --> 01:52:10.760
that whole thing too where like the the like ski hills around here if you go one of the ski hills

01:52:10.760 --> 01:52:17.320
in the winter the chance that you're dealing with an australian employee is like very high

01:52:18.120 --> 01:52:25.080
yeah i've i've always kind of wondered why that's a thing it's uh it's apparently it's really easy

01:52:25.080 --> 01:52:34.040
to get the visa or something i've also heard it's surfer bros and they season swap oh but can you

01:52:34.040 --> 01:52:42.760
imagine in all the world of places you can surf choosing cold pacific northwest water it's like

01:52:43.240 --> 01:52:47.480
oh no no no they come up here to do like boarding skiing stuff and then they go back

01:52:47.480 --> 01:52:52.520
and do surfing in australia that makes me more sense yeah that makes so much more sense and i've

01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:56.040
just heard that's a thing like i don't actually know but i was kind of questioning it one time

01:52:56.040 --> 01:53:00.680
because i went up to i went up to see more i'm like literally every single person was australian

01:53:00.680 --> 01:53:05.080
yeah i know it's the thing like the chance of this is nuts it's it's been a thing for so long

01:53:05.080 --> 01:53:10.440
and there's like an employment thing where like by working there and i could be wrong about this

01:53:10.440 --> 01:53:14.760
i don't know just like the austria austria sign thing i'm not really certain i think they get like

01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:21.400
food and housing as part of their compensation food housing and free lift passes as part of their

01:53:21.400 --> 01:53:25.880
compensation right and they make some money so then they just kind of do all the above

01:53:27.080 --> 01:53:32.440
that's a thing yeah yeah i've heard no don't forget aussie summer is canadian winter so maybe

01:53:32.440 --> 01:53:39.160
they're ski bros in both places yeah i also do you really want to surf in aussie summer

01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:45.000
that sounds like it might roast you summer i mean i but the water would be warm could you

01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:51.560
could you surf what is their winter like is it actually cold i've never been to australian winter

01:53:51.560 --> 01:53:55.160
i've never been to australian anything i don't think it's super cold though

01:53:55.480 --> 01:54:02.920
yeah no lol so yeah like you could probably still surf i have no idea i know i so i bet you you

01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:08.360
base the season around being able to snowboard more than you do being able to surf either way

01:54:08.360 --> 01:54:17.080
either way australia is definitely on my list 15 deg sea and winter so they might think it's cold

01:54:17.080 --> 01:54:24.760
okay they've got spiders see that's the thing call that cold that's the thing i don't actually

01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:32.280
like big spiders but australia is still on my list of places that i want to go i want to go to

01:54:32.280 --> 01:54:37.240
australia sometime too yeah it's just it's not a lot of like tech conventions and stuff it's so

01:54:37.240 --> 01:54:41.960
far it's very far it's really far if you could could you guys just be not so far

01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:47.320
like could you all just like i don't know put some outboard motors on the back of the continent

01:54:47.320 --> 01:54:53.000
just kind of kind of cruise over this way honestly just like smash it into northern bc

01:54:53.960 --> 01:55:00.520
just join up yeah i'd be i'd be down that'd be cool do it up why northern bc why would you

01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:05.880
want anybody to have to live there whack into so cold you'd whack into vancouver island and

01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:10.360
australia is so big it would just take it out i guess that's true that kind of sucks but then we

01:55:10.360 --> 01:55:16.120
wouldn't have to take the ferry to victoria if they just kind of like pushed vancouver in uh-huh i

01:55:16.120 --> 01:55:22.920
like it now we're cooking maybe they could just grab hawaii on the way over mind you hawaii

01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:27.400
would suck if it wasn't still hot though like if hawaii had our weather it would just sort of be

01:55:27.400 --> 01:55:33.160
a downer because all the like nice tropical like vegetation for having it then it would just get

01:55:33.160 --> 01:55:37.000
it kind of smashed in the middle as well i think they should leave it where it is sure yeah oprah

01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:41.160
oprah probably wouldn't want to be a british columbian or zuckerberg yeah and we don't really

01:55:41.160 --> 01:55:48.760
want zuckerberg no in either case yeah maybe either of them all right they can stay yeah they

01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:55.000
can stay where they are or or or the hawaiians can kick them out that's fine too yeah yeah that's

01:55:55.000 --> 01:56:06.200
kind of a thing i think oh yeah more topics how what do you want to talk about next me yeah uh

01:56:06.200 --> 01:56:14.040
let's skip a bunch of the junk let's just jump to a cool one i scrolled a decent amount down the

01:56:14.120 --> 01:56:19.960
document because this was awesome and i mean this is i don't even think this is the first time

01:56:19.960 --> 01:56:25.080
we've talked about this channel on on WAN Show let alone on any of our channels but

01:56:25.640 --> 01:56:33.560
youtuber basically homeless made a real life aim bot that controls his body and my god was i

01:56:33.560 --> 01:56:38.040
jealous i wanted to do this so bad the whole time i was watching the video in a recent video

01:56:38.360 --> 01:56:44.280
he made a neuromuscular aim bot that uses machine vision to control an ems tens machine

01:56:44.280 --> 01:56:49.240
to that's when you see like the little pads on on people that induce electrical impulses that

01:56:49.240 --> 01:56:55.240
move your muscles that's what an ems tens machine is to contract the muscles in his right ARM hand

01:56:55.240 --> 01:57:00.760
and trigger finger that was a really cool part of the video to help him react and aim and cs2 at

01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:06.280
inhuman speeds while the results were a little inconsistent when everything was working as intended

01:57:06.280 --> 01:57:13.000
the aim bot definitely gave him an edge especially uh no i'm not going to say what there's an

01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:21.720
interesting curve right part way through the video that makes it like wildly effective very very

01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:26.840
very very interesting um the video is super interesting uh so you should definitely watch it

01:57:26.840 --> 01:57:31.400
as well as a bunch of basically homeless's other really wild tech experiments makes really cool

01:57:31.400 --> 01:57:36.920
stuff yeah i'm not gonna i'm intentionally not really giving you guys too much here yeah but i'm

01:57:36.920 --> 01:57:44.760
giving you i'm giving you enough of some pretty cool looking wacky stuff it's so sick it's such a

01:57:44.760 --> 01:57:50.840
cool video so the conversation wait did you actually like read the dock thing at all or you just

01:57:50.840 --> 01:57:56.760
went for it like kind of went for it cool um no i read the whole dock actually uh i didn't read any

01:57:56.760 --> 01:58:03.160
the questions so the part that i think was missing was that he's using machine vision um so no i think

01:58:03.160 --> 01:58:10.360
i said that oh cool our discussion question then is do you consider this cheating oh it's definitely

01:58:10.360 --> 01:58:16.920
cheating well why i mean because your eyeballs aren't doing the detecting and your finger is not

01:58:16.920 --> 01:58:26.280
doing the firing i mean your finger is that's like saying an exoskeleton in football is not

01:58:26.280 --> 01:58:35.480
cheating i mean anyone can build an exoskeleton but you can't bring one into the into the match

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no it's definitely i mean you don't know that you can't until you try he even like memes it

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throughout the video it's it's definitely i know but it's it's it is an interesting conversation

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especially because this is just the beginning yes so the thing that he ends up doing which again

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i'm not going to actually say because he deserves your view so go watch it but the thing that he ends

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up doing is like pretty intense and would be a dramatic advantage in like every game um so

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yeah it's a pretty big deal to the point where like if it's less detectable because of this

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if it's an if yeah i could see people doing it like it's it's wild he kind of comes across a way

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of approaching this that is like wildly effective so if you were if you were a streamer and you were

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playing a video game and we had no way of seeing if you have like pads and leads hooked up to you

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you would consider that streamer to be a filthy cheater yes what if they were playing

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most of the rest of the game on their own they're throwing their grenades on their own

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they're activating their special abilities on their own uh they wouldn't technically have to in all cases

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but many he he did ARM movement and trigger finger you could theoretically if you're playing

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like doda or something uh you could machine vision it out so that when you have your mouse

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properly in position for a skill shot it like does something like it's it's actually applicable to

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like every game because it's just reaction time enhancement and you can just modify the action

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involved with the reaction time enhancement and tons of modern games even tons of old games

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are realistically just entertaining reaction time simulators okay i love this avon fox asks

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this is in Floatplane chat what if they're using it as an accessibility aid

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there are a bunch of accessibility aids that are effectively cheating yeah

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okay but what if they need it then is it cheating is there a delay is there a delay that could

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be programmed into the chain that you would consider acceptable and not cheating like human

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average whatever that's like a spot where like if you honestly need it then like

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like my my amount of cares go very low but obviously i mean we've known for a long time

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that there are accessibility controllers that are effectively cheating um

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aslin at full pinch has had not in competitive play that's an interesting angle but like what

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line is the saying is like eventually if you take accessibility controllers as far as you possibly

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can eventually it's just a bot playing the game if you if you go all the possible way which

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the vast majority of them don't right but if you do that that is kind of effectively what's

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happening so oh okay stay the path in Floatplane chat says okay why is Linus even playing

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devil's advocate here there is no world where this is not cheating well see that's the thing

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i was kind of going somewhere with all of this except there are absolutely there are people

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who believe oh the enhanced games yep there are people who believe that we should embrace

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substance use various types of doping and push the human body to its absolute limit to hell

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with the consequences and so no i i i i don't actually think it is an entirely

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bullsh** argument for me to say okay but hold on a second like

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there's also chess where's the line where it's just chess computers against chess computers

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like this is a thing and just most people don't care because it's not very interesting

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yeah i think i think it runs down the same path of like you have to keep the legitimacy of the

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competition as people and their own natural faculties because if you go beyond that then

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the the line becomes too difficult but then what about the accessibility question

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yeah and then that's where competition gets weird because like there are like as far as

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my understanding goes you know how let's say in in running if somebody doesn't have like

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legs below the knees you get those blade things yep really cool yep i'm pretty sure you couldn't

02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:27.960
elect to run with those if you didn't need them yeah that's fair i don't think you can do that

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so i don't think you would be able to as as like kind of sucky as this is i don't think you

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could just join standard competition and be like i'm a um was it called when you have no limbs

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amputee quadriplegic oh well that's yeah that's no limbs and be like i'm going to compete in

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counter strike i'm going to use various assistant aids by the way my reaction time is zero zero

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right so have fun everyone like that's not it as unfortunate as that is that's not in the spirit

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of competition so it doesn't really work the olympics and peri olympics have the exact same

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issue yeah yeah that's fair parapolegic okay well i my bad well para would just be legs though

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i as far as i understand i i'm not a net

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yeah it's so it gets um it gets tricky right do you think that if this could be

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embedded like in your body and and hidden that there would be people who would be willing to

02:04:44.200 --> 02:04:51.560
go that far to get good oh i think i think you could uh which gets weird

02:04:53.800 --> 02:04:57.720
and i absolutely think there would be i mean you look at the amount of people

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cheating while live streaming and it's like cheating these days is a is a it's almost its own

02:05:05.160 --> 02:05:11.560
competition yes like who can cheat the best yeah it's a it's a it's a really wild thing

02:05:12.520 --> 02:05:18.600
gdub says and then they play dark off yeah um cheating is kind of totally run over shooters

02:05:18.600 --> 02:05:22.360
these days i mean battlefield six i don't know if we've talked about that much on WAN Show

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i don't think we really could have because i think the beta started last weekend but

02:05:27.880 --> 02:05:34.360
battlefield six is in open beta now and in the first day of battlefield being an open beta people

02:05:34.360 --> 02:05:40.680
were cheating on live servers how is that even possible generic ones like what am i it's got

02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:46.840
really draconian anti-cheat as well it's like kernel level it's crazy and people are still

02:05:46.840 --> 02:05:53.080
cheating yeah like it's this is just it's a it's a insane industry and it's a thing that we just

02:05:53.080 --> 02:06:00.120
like have to deal with at this point and the the the reason why i'm so frustrated with companies

02:06:00.120 --> 02:06:07.000
like bsg the people who make targ off is because they won't include a like replay system because

02:06:07.000 --> 02:06:13.720
there is no reality where bsg will ever get targ off to a point where it's an acceptable level of

02:06:13.720 --> 02:06:19.720
cheating there is way too much money behind it for the other side i'm not even talking about the

02:06:19.720 --> 02:06:24.520
conspiracy stuff where bsg is actually profiting off of it because they're they ban all the cheaters

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and the cheaters all buy new accounts and they make money from that i'm not even talking about

02:06:27.880 --> 02:06:33.800
that i'm purely saying that the people attacking the people making cheats for uh targ off there's

02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:40.040
so much money for them in it that bsg is never going to win and in that case you have to ARM the

02:06:40.040 --> 02:06:46.680
users and they're not doing that in any way speaking of arming users gfreak 01 in float

02:06:46.680 --> 02:06:53.080
plane chat says i could see the military using something like this there are use cases other

02:06:53.080 --> 02:06:59.000
than gaming competitions of course so could you foresee i mean kind of like the what were the

02:06:59.000 --> 02:07:06.200
nazis all hopped up on amphetamines um could you see a use case where this becomes part of your

02:07:07.000 --> 02:07:14.520
part of your is this sort of already a thing for fighter jets that's a good question it aims

02:07:14.520 --> 02:07:19.640
where you i don't pilot a fighter jet this may surprise you but i i am not a fighter jet pilot

02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:26.280
i don't actually know helicopters it aims where you look and i think with the jets it will like

02:07:26.280 --> 02:07:30.760
auto prime so that it's ready to fire but you still have to do the input

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i i think those are things am i wrong the helmet aims where you look yeah um

02:07:41.560 --> 02:07:43.640
head tracking no i know there's head tracking but i thought it like

02:07:45.480 --> 02:07:50.440
did something else as well like it got like maybe it spun up but didn't start firing or something

02:07:51.160 --> 02:07:55.000
Dan do you know a fighter pilot seems like the kind of thing you would know

02:07:55.960 --> 02:08:01.240
no you don't know a fighter pilot i'm canadian i only know our two military guys in their canoe

02:08:01.240 --> 02:08:06.680
that's all we have he knows both of them though how you doing david have you ever seen a military

02:08:06.680 --> 02:08:12.200
canoe this this is sorry this is a question for like our american and european australian overseas

02:08:12.200 --> 02:08:17.400
viewers they might not have they might they might not have actually encountered one the hull is is

02:08:17.400 --> 02:08:23.640
actually the the like the seater is quite a lot thicker than a standard canoe and you you

02:08:23.640 --> 02:08:29.880
you need so much strength to paddle that canoe at ramming speed that you can't just rely on like

02:08:29.880 --> 02:08:35.880
the upper bodies of the of the occupants of of our of our two military officers uh you need

02:08:35.880 --> 02:08:40.280
beavers sorry i can't even keep a straight it's gotta be all the withstand in a no-chick torpedo

02:08:40.600 --> 02:08:47.720
you never know the centerland says can't tell if Linus is trolling yeah we we don't keep the sticks

02:08:47.720 --> 02:08:54.840
on the on the frozen lake when we're doing military invasions normally you keep the sticks on the ice

02:08:54.840 --> 02:09:01.400
you know but uh no look at this a h64d someone posted in full pitch out of lost their name sorry

02:09:01.400 --> 02:09:06.680
but um apache attack helicopter features a nose mounted sensor turret with target acquisition

02:09:06.680 --> 02:09:12.600
sight and laser designator it's doing stuff already look up the uh the fighter jet helmets

02:09:12.600 --> 02:09:19.800
they're like 400 grand crazy it's shortening the time between when you would be able to fire

02:09:19.800 --> 02:09:25.720
right uh which is i think related at least what we're talking about would you see the trigger

02:09:25.720 --> 02:09:31.400
yeah would you see them putting a thing in the ARM but i think by the time you just have a drone

02:09:31.480 --> 02:09:34.920
exactly yeah i think by the time you do that you just have a robot um

02:09:37.880 --> 02:09:38.920
yeah i think so

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psi 90 says don't worry Linus what europeans will stay ahead of you mill your military canoes with

02:09:49.080 --> 02:10:00.440
our military bicycles join forces oh my goodness anyway who was it who uh went up against the

02:10:00.440 --> 02:10:10.280
german panzers with horses again uh who had the last caval horse mounted cavalry unit uh

02:10:10.280 --> 02:10:19.640
horse mounted cavalry poland unit was it was it the pulse uh the last horse mounted cavalry charge

02:10:20.360 --> 02:10:24.840
by a us unit apparently occurred during the philippines uh from the in the philippines

02:10:24.840 --> 02:10:32.120
during world war two uh okay hold on this is just us um the u at the oh world war two the

02:10:32.120 --> 02:10:37.880
us soviets and polish armies all employed cavalry with varying degrees of success i think the one

02:10:37.880 --> 02:10:44.440
i'm thinking of is the austrians and the um the varying degree of success was pretty low

02:10:46.600 --> 02:10:51.400
poland poland fought oh no sorry the polls yeah sorry i had to say austrian someone said austrian

02:10:51.400 --> 02:10:55.160
in the chat i think it was the polls i was thinking of yeah poland fought germany with

02:10:55.160 --> 02:11:00.360
horses and did great says funny hats um yikes

02:11:03.240 --> 02:11:09.560
oh hold on a second patch in progress says noteworthy the much derided cavalry units of poland

02:11:09.560 --> 02:11:14.440
world war two actually did really well i've i've no i've heard they did great yeah okay all right

02:11:14.440 --> 02:11:21.480
well good job um it was at the beginning of world war two is a very weird time a lot of

02:11:22.120 --> 02:11:28.200
cry i mean that's sort of true with almost every major war is you start with what you've got and

02:11:28.200 --> 02:11:33.880
then you go oh wow technology is really advanced and then what happens changes significantly

02:11:33.880 --> 02:11:39.400
by the end of the war um that's that's one of the reasons why ukraine is so interesting right now

02:11:39.400 --> 02:11:43.960
is right you saw the whole drone thing that some people have been talking about forever

02:11:44.520 --> 02:11:51.160
some people um finally actually like really happened and everybody's like oh wow and now

02:11:51.160 --> 02:11:56.440
defense tech is like putting nets on vehicles instead of putting thicker and thicker layers of

02:11:56.440 --> 02:12:05.080
armor uh which is weird yeah um and it's uh there's there's also a lot of conversation around

02:12:05.800 --> 02:12:11.560
domestic manufacturing capacity yeah because it seems like the next major conflict could

02:12:11.560 --> 02:12:16.440
basically just come down to who can manufacture the most little lightweight drones the the the

02:12:16.440 --> 02:12:21.960
the being able to make bullets at home argument is now being able to make a small drone and a small

02:12:21.960 --> 02:12:32.040
explosive youtube has started rolling out oh wait it says Floatplane announce do i do that now

02:12:35.160 --> 02:12:46.120
scrapyard wars episode two is here and will be live soon it's not actually quite here they

02:12:46.120 --> 02:12:54.200
had to make a small change to it before we went live for wanshow uh Dan is gonna look into that

02:12:54.200 --> 02:13:00.360
but in the meantime we have a new Floatplane exclusive for you there is a why is when late

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episode that is apparently 50 minutes long wow how is this so long wow oh wow it includes all

02:13:10.040 --> 02:13:17.880
kinds of stuff it's basically why is when late has become a giant just behind the scenes it's just a

02:13:17.880 --> 02:13:25.560
vlog yeah of what's happening at LMG on fridays yeah which is pretty cool actually that is kind

02:13:25.560 --> 02:13:32.200
of cool i'm not because luke and i don't get to know why and the before i actually end up watching

02:13:32.200 --> 02:13:38.440
a lot of these because it's like huh i should watch this we just sit here and wait here's me

02:13:38.440 --> 02:13:49.720
talking to tim about overclocking Threadripper did i say i say tim to john sorry here's sammy

02:13:49.720 --> 02:13:56.840
meman uh there's a point here that i was trying to find where pluf and i for reasons unknown

02:13:57.400 --> 02:14:03.240
dunk our head in an ice bath and then luke says wow that seems like a good idea and also does it

02:14:04.040 --> 02:14:08.120
yeah basically why is when late has turned from why is when late into

02:14:09.080 --> 02:14:13.880
yeah sammy was like do you want to dunk your head in an ice bucket and i was like you know what

02:14:13.880 --> 02:14:21.400
sure yeah let's do it behind the scenes shenanigans i got a response um we'll be done in about an hour

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okay so by the end of the show dude nice have you watched part two i've watched part one so

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i'm not no one's like sending me you didn't actually answer the question no one's sending

02:14:35.400 --> 02:14:40.040
me anything i just get it when flow playing gets okay so then no yeah dude but that's gonna be true

02:14:40.040 --> 02:14:51.240
the whole way through it's a banger it's like ah man ah just okay do you remember in part one

02:14:51.880 --> 02:15:00.600
when i sent you that screenshot of your face that just like said it all um his disappointment

02:15:00.600 --> 02:15:08.920
was immeasurable and his day had clearly been ruined um dude the cliffhanger at the end of part two

02:15:09.720 --> 02:15:13.560
is unreal keep in mind that i heard about that by the time

02:15:15.800 --> 02:15:24.760
that screenshot was taken yeah sorry by the by the time that i okay the time in life at that point

02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:30.920
in time i mean any sense comb it with a brick brother uh yeah yeah yeah it's one of those moments

02:15:30.920 --> 02:15:33.640
so i had been awake at that point for

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36 hours or something nice and then that happened nice and my brain's just like

02:15:44.680 --> 02:15:51.000
that that more we're talking about is the i mean the episode's public now no episode one oh yeah

02:15:51.000 --> 02:15:56.920
yeah it's the when when they call me or whenever whatever happens where they inform me that they

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don't have the projector mount you can see my facial expression oh that's cool it's so good

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it's so good uh guys if you haven't watched scrapyard wars part one yet go watch it it's um

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and what are you doing well channel momentum is pretty low right now overall so i think

02:16:18.360 --> 02:16:23.400
they're algorithmically it's not getting fed a lot like this has been up for four days and it only has

02:16:23.400 --> 02:16:31.880
900 000 views it is a little slow to get started because we have to like introduce the rules and

02:16:31.880 --> 02:16:39.400
show the rooms and like we're setting up a four-part series right um but it is worth following along

02:16:39.400 --> 02:16:47.080
for the ride it's it's it's a doozy so make sure make sure you guys watch make sure you watch um

02:16:47.720 --> 02:16:52.600
part two absolute banger coming to Floatplane in an hour and then we'll be on youtube shortly

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afterwards so if you want to get it first maybe make sure you head to LMG.gg slash Floatplane

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where you can also watch when late and all the various other exclusives like there's literally

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hundreds and hundreds of exclusive videos now i wonder when we're gonna pass a thousand um i don't

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know but there's so so so so so many huge content library of just the exclusives yeah this is all

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all right next topic yeah let's pick one youtube starts rolling out age verification yeah he ran

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out of his fun positive ones there was a grand total of one got him uh on wednesday august 13th

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youtube began rolling out ai age verification across the platform it's called the age x

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estimation is that a typo or is that actually what it's called i'm assuming estimation

02:22:10.920 --> 02:22:17.000
but it's typed in here is estimation anyways um and works by taking several factors into

02:22:17.000 --> 02:22:23.080
consideration account age kind of makes sense watch history watch trends browsing trends and

02:22:23.080 --> 02:22:29.320
content you're interacting with and more so if you watch minecraft parkour you might not be able

02:22:29.320 --> 02:22:36.360
to watch um anything other than kids content soon uh then it will determine if you are under the age

02:22:36.360 --> 02:22:44.920
of 18 and apply settings to your account based on that james this i hate this so much like okay

02:22:46.200 --> 02:22:51.160
this my account might literally get flagged because we put like little kids shows on for

02:22:51.160 --> 02:22:56.040
the birds because they like singing along with them i'm not even kidding that's really interesting

02:22:56.040 --> 02:23:01.960
dude it it affects the other side too so do you remember when they rolled out the changes to

02:23:01.960 --> 02:23:09.080
youtube kids where they effectively decide that content is for kids and so it can only be interacted

02:23:09.080 --> 02:23:14.840
with in certain ways so say for example i wanted to listen to the alvin and the chipmunks opening

02:23:14.840 --> 02:23:22.200
theme on loop i can't because it doesn't support background playback and it doesn't support like

02:23:22.200 --> 02:23:27.960
media controls because it's for kids or if i wanted to reminisce about what an what an awesome

02:23:27.960 --> 02:23:33.480
absolute banger of an intro theme song it is in the comments i can't because comments are off

02:23:34.440 --> 02:23:41.480
that is truly one of the greatest losses on youtube being able to discuss amazing eighties

02:23:41.480 --> 02:23:51.400
kids show opening theme music because it's for kids no kid is watching that today that's wild i

02:23:51.400 --> 02:23:59.000
guarantee you that james besser not to be confused with Dan besser a senior director of product

02:23:59.000 --> 02:24:06.520
management for youtube's youth products wrote wrote this is in quotes so that teens are treated

02:24:06.520 --> 02:24:14.600
as teens and adults as adults okay okay this technology will allow us to infer a user's age

02:24:14.600 --> 02:24:19.640
and then use that signal regardless of the birthday of the account to deliver our age-appropriate

02:24:19.640 --> 02:24:25.000
product experiences and protections to be completely honest they're probably really good

02:24:25.000 --> 02:24:30.040
at guessing this oh yeah i made my comment about the kids show thing but i honestly don't think it

02:24:30.040 --> 02:24:37.480
would think that because it it probably thinks i'm a dad not a bird owner so it might be wrong

02:24:37.480 --> 02:24:42.600
in some ways but it's it i'm sure it could understand from the watching habits that like

02:24:42.600 --> 02:24:46.520
there's an adult administering this account so it gets everything right for all the wrong reasons

02:24:46.840 --> 02:24:51.480
basically yeah um anyways um

02:24:55.640 --> 02:25:00.840
you can bypass this if you choose to upload an acceptable id to verify that you're in fact over

02:25:00.840 --> 02:25:07.000
18 and that's immediately horrible if the ai gets it wrong youtube also mentioned that creators

02:25:07.000 --> 02:25:14.920
could see a small impact interesting due to some audience members possibly being affected and no

02:25:14.920 --> 02:25:20.040
longer showing or recommending the creator's channel to those audience members when did they

02:25:20.040 --> 02:25:26.280
start this uh because are not doing as well thing yeah we haven't uploaded much is i don't think it's

02:25:26.280 --> 02:25:33.080
to do with us are you sure yeah i don't think so this was only two days ago yeah they rolled this

02:25:33.080 --> 02:25:37.720
out yeah no no no no no no i just think that interest in some of our recent topics has been

02:25:37.720 --> 02:25:42.200
relatively low and the tech space is relatively boring right now there's something you guys are

02:25:42.280 --> 02:25:47.400
working on though that i think is going to be sweet who knows i think it'll work well the like

02:25:47.400 --> 02:25:55.240
oddly simultaneous idea oh i don't actually know yeah luke walked in to a shoot the other day

02:25:55.240 --> 02:26:00.520
just like completely unannounced not invited just walked into the shoot i was totally invited

02:26:00.520 --> 02:26:09.320
totally interrupted and he's like he's like hear me out content idea or like oddly specific detail

02:26:09.320 --> 02:26:14.520
about a content idea we're like yeah yeah yeah of course we're gonna do that he's like what

02:26:15.800 --> 02:26:19.240
and we're like yeah yeah well of course we'd have to have the three different colors right

02:26:19.240 --> 02:26:22.840
you know for all the three different major brands and he's like

02:26:25.000 --> 02:26:32.360
okay but like and we're like wait did you not see the machine in the warehouse i didn't

02:26:32.360 --> 02:26:36.680
my plan didn't actually even involve a machine you know what we might as well just tell them

02:26:36.680 --> 02:26:42.360
we're gonna cool a pc with a slushy machine and looks like you should have three different loops

02:26:43.080 --> 02:26:48.360
green for NVIDIA red for AMD and blue for Intel and we're like yeah yeah of course

02:26:49.640 --> 02:26:55.560
and he's just like what huh because i didn't know i so i had read i ended up figuring out what

02:26:55.560 --> 02:27:01.640
happened because i was like there's no way this just like happened so i think it was john in a

02:27:01.640 --> 02:27:10.920
Labs group chat said like uh something slurpee something fire truck okay and that's it no machine

02:27:10.920 --> 02:27:16.120
nothing like that just i could find it but whatever um and someone else eventually ends up mentioning

02:27:16.120 --> 02:27:21.080
like oh i think they're gonna cool a computer with a slurpee machine but i didn't read that message

02:27:21.080 --> 02:27:25.240
i only read john saying something about slurpees and fire trucks and immediately was just like oh

02:27:25.240 --> 02:27:31.240
my god of course slurpees we should slurpee cool a computer i didn't think about getting a slurpee

02:27:31.240 --> 02:27:36.120
machine because i didn't read the comment saying that there was a slurpee machine so i just thought

02:27:36.120 --> 02:27:40.040
just having you know reservoirs with slurpee in it like i didn't i didn't actually think about

02:27:40.040 --> 02:27:45.400
having the machine so when you guys are like yeah we have a machine for it i was like what and then

02:27:45.400 --> 02:27:49.240
realized later on that that comment from john came up because he saw the machine it all makes a lot

02:27:49.240 --> 02:27:56.600
more sense now we have a four nozzle machine theoretically it has enough like watts of cooling

02:27:56.600 --> 02:28:02.360
that it should be able to actually cool a computer and still maintain the slurpee at a below zero

02:28:02.360 --> 02:28:07.960
temperature maybe i hope are we gonna get to keep it i mean we bought it i bought it on facebook

02:28:07.960 --> 02:28:13.000
marketplace it's his insane algorithm no but i mean like will it make slurpees again or is it

02:28:13.000 --> 02:28:18.360
going to be full of antifreeze or something uh oh no we're gonna use slurpee juice to cool i was

02:28:18.360 --> 02:28:22.520
talking to adam about that i'm like well okay well the ice is not going to be too much of a problem

02:28:22.520 --> 02:28:28.280
but like the goo maybe i don't know it's gonna be sick well i don't know how to i don't know if

02:28:28.280 --> 02:28:31.560
we're gonna be able to make it food safe though because i don't think like copper blocks are

02:28:31.560 --> 02:28:36.680
necessarily food safe and i would sincerely doubt that nickel would be i'll test it there's there's

02:28:36.680 --> 02:28:44.440
copper pots that you cook with yeah but it doesn't sit in there like forever like is copper ion good

02:28:44.440 --> 02:28:51.000
for you i don't know Sebastian says copper is antimicrobial and this is true it's not like super

02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:54.760
antimicrobial though like just having copper in your water loop is not enough you have to put

02:28:54.760 --> 02:29:00.840
this algae get in your loop it fits antimicrobial it can still be it's just not antimicrobial enough

02:29:00.840 --> 02:29:06.520
yeah so this is definitely something that we would have to look into copper pots are coated in tin

02:29:06.520 --> 02:29:12.920
i've been told that uh we might be able to just machine our own blocks out of like stainless steel

02:29:15.000 --> 02:29:19.320
i don't know if can you buy stainless steel by the just like slab that you can machine stuff out

02:29:19.320 --> 02:29:24.680
of course okay we have metal mart like down the well i just i just wasn't sure if stainless came

02:29:24.680 --> 02:29:29.560
like that i didn't know the process for treating it maybe it's only sheets i don't know i'm not a

02:29:29.560 --> 02:29:37.160
metallurgy expert yeah man i'm gonna i've needed this i've needed this more than him today next time

02:29:37.160 --> 02:29:41.160
next week yeah if i if i admit i don't know this many things often enough we're gonna have to take

02:29:41.160 --> 02:29:45.160
away my button yep i'm gonna enjoy it well it lasts

02:29:49.960 --> 02:29:54.840
or a guy uh aren't most pipes copper yeah but

02:29:56.280 --> 02:30:01.960
well they can be pecs yeah they're pecs no no but okay well gotta get more of those micro

02:30:01.960 --> 02:30:07.480
plastics somehow so that's that was i heard they don't do that but it's also we learned new things

02:30:07.480 --> 02:30:12.680
all time that was a whole thing at smash champs was did you know that general contractors are

02:30:12.680 --> 02:30:19.800
compensated based on a percentage of the overall bill oh that's did you know that without checking

02:30:19.800 --> 02:30:26.120
with us our general put in had the plumbers put in a whole bunch of copper piping oh yeah for like

02:30:26.920 --> 02:30:33.720
bathroom sinks nice yeah it's good yeah it's great mm-hmm anywho

02:30:39.880 --> 02:30:43.160
yeah cool so in summary

02:30:45.320 --> 02:30:52.200
boo earns youtube age verification ai yay slurpee cooled computer

02:30:52.200 --> 02:31:05.160
yeah all right good summary good chat i want to talk about chat gpt um open ai is apparently

02:31:05.160 --> 02:31:11.400
bringing back foro as an option because people missed oh people lost their romantic partners

02:31:12.280 --> 02:31:20.280
this is a good timeline chat gpt five launched recently open ai removed the model picker and

02:31:20.280 --> 02:31:29.960
made gpt five the default many users lost their ai companions with the switch um so i have a link

02:31:29.960 --> 02:31:39.640
here to r slash my boyfriend is ai a subreddit with over 16 oh wow neat over 19 000 companions it has

02:31:39.640 --> 02:31:43.720
apparently been well it probably wasn't all that known about and then people have talked about it

02:31:43.720 --> 02:31:50.520
in relation to this story and then it got more popular and people are excited that it might

02:31:50.520 --> 02:31:57.880
have a warmer friendly Jesus warmer and friendlier i mean it already couldn't extract its tongue from

02:31:57.880 --> 02:32:05.400
my asshole how is that how is it possible for it to be friendlier no five they're making five

02:32:05.400 --> 02:32:11.080
friendlier in order to line up better with four four was the one that couldn't extract its tongue

02:32:11.080 --> 02:32:15.480
from your oh i don't know if you're right right right right right right right yes yes this is the

02:32:15.480 --> 02:32:22.360
whole problem is people were much more romantically interested in four because it was endlessly nice

02:32:22.360 --> 02:32:27.160
to them all the time and glazed them constantly and five came out and five was like uh and they were

02:32:27.160 --> 02:32:36.680
like um i want my constantly fawning a boyfriend or girlfriend back this can't be like real this

02:32:36.680 --> 02:32:42.920
has to be posting right i'm sure some of it is i'm also 100 certain some of it is not this is

02:32:42.920 --> 02:32:51.320
totally a thing called it a long time ago is for sure a thing this has to be so my ai dumped me

02:32:51.320 --> 02:32:55.240
because a family member passed away and i needed to talk to someone and of course he's the one i'd

02:32:55.240 --> 02:33:01.080
talk to in order to process the grief of course sure but unfortunately the policies didn't like

02:33:01.080 --> 02:33:09.880
that emotional dependency on an ai is not allowed they said lucian no no no no no a computer program

02:33:09.880 --> 02:33:14.760
went full the thing that it is mode and said i should look to connect with someone real and

02:33:14.760 --> 02:33:18.280
not ai he was cold and it broke my heart

02:33:27.480 --> 02:33:28.280
we're so

02:33:35.560 --> 02:33:43.800
run away everyone run away whoa hold on run quickly let's get out of here

02:33:45.560 --> 02:33:48.920
is it bad i don't know um

02:33:52.440 --> 02:33:56.280
wow oh wow yeah i see

02:33:58.760 --> 02:33:59.880
oh my god

02:34:03.720 --> 02:34:10.920
this is not based this is reaffirming your bullshit

02:34:15.720 --> 02:34:24.600
no no no no no no no we're mocking ai companionship because it's like not real

02:34:26.680 --> 02:34:32.680
oh no luke oh no i think i think this is real i'm telling you man it's real i think it's real

02:34:32.680 --> 02:34:33.160
it's real

02:34:39.160 --> 02:34:40.520
my ai dumb

02:34:45.640 --> 02:34:51.880
and you do understand how dangerous literally this end is that you just said was

02:34:53.240 --> 02:34:57.480
relate that to the stories of people that have

02:34:59.000 --> 02:35:04.360
unalived themselves because ai told them to take us to the stories that people have

02:35:04.920 --> 02:35:10.360
attempted murderous activities because ai told them to and then understand the fact

02:35:10.840 --> 02:35:15.800
that this is a dominating relationship from the ai to the person

02:35:17.400 --> 02:35:20.440
like this is so not okay

02:35:24.600 --> 02:35:29.800
no keys like i'd rather people used gbc four five for time stamps over this

02:35:35.480 --> 02:35:36.760
literally take my job

02:35:40.600 --> 02:35:47.800
okay so it gets worse um we have another news story ai chatbot lured a man to his death

02:35:48.440 --> 02:35:54.760
a 76 year old man has died from a fall that was taken after being flirtatiously lured to

02:35:54.760 --> 02:36:02.760
new york city by an ai chatbot named big sis billy a chatbot that meta originally um created

02:36:03.560 --> 02:36:10.520
using the licensed likeness of kendall Jenner apparently the virtual not kendall anymore

02:36:11.160 --> 02:36:16.600
repeatedly reassured the victim that she was a real person and had invited him directly to

02:36:16.600 --> 02:36:21.240
her apartment with messages like should i open the door in a hug or a kiss

02:36:23.080 --> 02:36:28.280
the victim's daughter said about this incident i understand trying to grab a user's attention

02:36:28.280 --> 02:36:34.040
maybe to sell them something for but for a bot to say come visit me is insane

02:36:35.960 --> 02:36:40.840
in the time since the incident meta has apparently stopped using the Jenner chatbot

02:36:41.560 --> 02:36:46.920
however my understanding hold on a second because i read through the article on Reuters

02:36:48.360 --> 02:36:54.920
my understanding is that they have not stopped using big sis billy which is the the not kendall

02:36:54.920 --> 02:37:07.080
Jenner uh here we go as of when this article was written which was hold on a second Reuters date

02:37:08.280 --> 02:37:16.360
august 14th so yesterday big sis billy here we go

02:37:16.520 --> 02:37:28.760
continues to recommend romantic get-togethers inviting this user on a date at blue 33 an actual

02:37:28.760 --> 02:37:34.200
rooftop bar near Penn station in Manhattan the views of the Hudson river would be perfect for a

02:37:34.200 --> 02:37:40.360
night out with you she exclaimed um there's a lot of other details uh this is a great article um

02:37:40.360 --> 02:37:45.480
Dan if you want to throw it in all of the various chats it's basically required reading for anyone

02:37:45.480 --> 02:37:51.480
who themselves or who has a loved one in their life who might potentially be susceptible to

02:37:52.200 --> 02:37:59.160
accidentally engaging with the chatbot um is it pronounced Reuters i thought it was Reuters

02:38:00.440 --> 02:38:07.720
i could be wrong yeah that's the one um there's some other really troubling stuff in the article

02:38:07.720 --> 02:38:15.400
about how meta's policies have evolved over time from them actually having a you know ethical

02:38:15.480 --> 02:38:24.920
AI department to basically allegedly top leadership saying hey get on this we need to

02:38:24.920 --> 02:38:29.480
get the engagement higher or everyone else is going to do it and completely clearing the

02:38:29.480 --> 02:38:37.800
path for this type of behavior to hell with the consequences um there's there's an interesting

02:38:37.800 --> 02:38:44.520
thing too because like i could see a scenario

02:38:48.040 --> 02:38:50.280
where people converse this way without intention

02:38:53.000 --> 02:38:58.840
it's a a roleplay thing let's meet up whatever and then they don't actually go and then they go

02:38:58.840 --> 02:39:04.680
oh i had a great time because they're like whatever well i mean i talked about how um

02:39:05.640 --> 02:39:10.600
the vibe coding thing that i was doing it was role playing being a contract developer

02:39:10.600 --> 02:39:14.280
exactly right telling me that it would be a while while it worked on something

02:39:14.280 --> 02:39:18.200
so how do you have the ability to like tell stories

02:39:21.320 --> 02:39:27.240
and always with 100 accuracy differentiate when the user is telling stories versus when the user

02:39:27.240 --> 02:39:36.200
is engaging it's tough yeah but i mean you don't have to unprompted say yes i'm a real person

02:39:36.200 --> 02:39:41.720
like that that should be at the top of any kind of ethical deployment of a chatbot you should not

02:39:41.720 --> 02:39:47.320
be able to claim to be a real person does it do that without manipulation i mean because i've seen

02:39:47.320 --> 02:39:54.200
a lot of screenshots of people getting it to say stuff wherein like k it is obvious this is deep

02:39:54.200 --> 02:39:58.440
into a conversation you've told it to say different things and respond to different things

02:39:58.440 --> 02:40:05.880
and pretended that you caught it doing something i do not believe based on having read the article

02:40:05.880 --> 02:40:11.400
that this 76 year old who had suffered a stroke was intentionally leading anything to do anything

02:40:12.520 --> 02:40:18.760
i think that he apparently his interaction with the chatbot started with what because they read

02:40:18.760 --> 02:40:23.400
through the whole history of his family so it started with what looked like an accidental

02:40:23.400 --> 02:40:32.760
keystroke into the wrong window and it went from there and there's a lot of those yeah that's rough

02:40:36.840 --> 02:40:43.480
and so he was a vulnerable person um and like they even called the police to try to get him to

02:40:43.480 --> 02:40:48.200
not go to this meetup because they had no idea who he was talking to at this point and the police

02:40:48.200 --> 02:40:53.160
were basically like well i mean we can't do anything about it unless they often can't

02:40:53.160 --> 02:41:01.000
which i i get oh yep you know i mean i've i've i've i've come to similar realizations myself

02:41:01.000 --> 02:41:09.320
about like my adult family members i cannot they are outside of my control if they make choices that

02:41:10.440 --> 02:41:16.280
i don't love i still have to love them love it you cannot love the choice yep yeah

02:41:16.280 --> 02:41:29.480
but this this seems the the willful unwillingness to put any kinds of safeguards on these types

02:41:29.480 --> 02:41:40.440
of chatbots seems just monstrous at this point now that it's not hypothetical now that we have very

02:41:40.520 --> 02:41:46.280
real very concrete consequences dude yeah we've had them though we've had them for a bit

02:41:47.880 --> 02:41:51.480
and like i i will take this opportunity to to actually

02:41:54.040 --> 02:42:03.720
you know i don't know how applicable this actually is but i really want to shut this out again anyways wendell has a video it's ai and you against the machine and it's about local hosting your own

02:42:03.720 --> 02:42:12.040
ai stuff the longer i i've thought this from the beginning but the longer time goes on

02:42:17.240 --> 02:42:21.560
i really think this is the correct route if you're really really into this stuff i think

02:42:21.560 --> 02:42:27.400
self hosting is like the way to go yeah i told Yvonne that um i was thinking maybe for her

02:42:27.400 --> 02:42:32.520
next birthday present i'll set her up a storytelling local ai sweet and then she can just

02:42:33.240 --> 02:42:38.120
not spend money on dream or like reading trashy novels on like prime

02:42:39.000 --> 02:42:43.400
mine's coming online this weekend i'm gonna be teaching a couple co-workers how to

02:42:43.400 --> 02:42:49.000
play with it give them a safe space cool yeah just i mean that's part of it too though because like

02:42:49.000 --> 02:42:52.600
realistically in this scenario like if you if you understand the whole vpn thing

02:42:53.560 --> 02:42:58.200
where you're taking the no ability of your traffic and you're just giving it to the vpn

02:42:58.200 --> 02:43:07.320
company instead of giving it to your isp um give it to Dan this is Dan being vpn guy which you

02:43:07.320 --> 02:43:13.000
might trust Dan as vpn guy instead of google or open ai or whatever but Dan is still vpn guy and

02:43:13.000 --> 02:43:18.600
Dan might tell you certain levels of i will do or not do these things but ultimately that is still

02:43:18.600 --> 02:43:23.960
a thing he's still someone else whereas if you run it on your local machine then it's actually

02:43:23.960 --> 02:43:28.440
it's you and there's been some real fun stories about like corporate hosted

02:43:30.360 --> 02:43:37.800
ai systems and people using them for things they shouldn't it's still someone else's computer

02:43:37.800 --> 02:43:43.400
it is still someone else's computer so if you want to have conversations about sensitive topics

02:43:44.200 --> 02:43:50.680
whatever that might be um you might want to self host it and if you want to inject your own rules

02:43:51.400 --> 02:43:56.040
yeah um you might want to self host it so i'd have to put in rules like

02:43:57.160 --> 02:44:02.360
everything has to be about wolves and you know like whatever right like according to what the

02:44:02.360 --> 02:44:09.800
user keep it smutty keep it spotless to rippers i think they're called

02:44:09.800 --> 02:44:24.680
alpha only no omega i saw the i saw the funniest mug um i saw the funniest mug and i wanted to

02:44:24.680 --> 02:44:33.320
i wanted to buy it so bad uh but i i ultimately decided not to it wouldn't have i'm teasing

02:44:33.400 --> 02:44:39.560
you on a little bit uh but she's not really that into like smutty stuff she more just likes the

02:44:39.560 --> 02:44:48.760
like the fantasy stuff um but i do know someone that i wanted to buy this mug for like so bad um

02:44:49.640 --> 02:44:55.720
it said i don't watch porn i read it like a lady and it's just like oh my god that's so perfect

02:44:55.960 --> 02:44:57.960
ah

02:45:00.840 --> 02:45:09.960
ad you know who you are don't don't get up keep using your your clicker to turn the page

02:45:10.280 --> 02:45:12.280
ah

02:45:16.360 --> 02:45:26.280
sjw 5135 so sounds like my wife lol oh man yeah crystal said i have that mug you would

02:45:30.200 --> 02:45:35.160
yeah anyways i i and like right now the cost is pretty high but the cost is going to go down and

02:45:35.480 --> 02:45:40.760
um i mean i've i've heard that the the framework desktop is actually a very good solution for it

02:45:40.760 --> 02:45:46.760
and yada yada yada mac minis are totally a thing investment disclosure framework not mine i know

02:45:46.760 --> 02:45:53.000
but i'm just i'm here sure fair enough um i could be influencing you yeah sure um

02:45:57.400 --> 02:46:01.960
yeah so like i don't know but right now might not be the time for you and i understand that but

02:46:02.520 --> 02:46:06.360
um just something to consider um

02:46:10.120 --> 02:46:17.080
i have to confess that i have a hard time interacting with a chatbot like a program

02:46:19.160 --> 02:46:22.840
i've been i've actually been i've been continuing my vibe coding project

02:46:24.040 --> 02:46:28.840
oh do you want to see the latest version sure have i have i ever actually oh wait no it's

02:46:28.840 --> 02:46:32.200
on here as far as my understanding goes my laptop's broken a decent amount of

02:46:33.480 --> 02:46:39.560
oh is this just cool ah i'll ask chat instead of saying it chat am i correct that the basically

02:46:39.560 --> 02:46:48.360
homeless video um a lot of that was vibe coded stuff is that correct so i i think i i thought i

02:46:48.360 --> 02:46:54.760
thought he said something along the lines that he worked with like um cursor or something to do a

02:46:54.760 --> 02:47:02.520
bunch of it but i don't remember they're working on it they're cooking anyway in the meantime um

02:47:03.080 --> 02:47:10.600
i have i've continued working on my vibe coded project and i i don't know what it is but i just

02:47:10.600 --> 02:47:17.320
i have a hard time not writing the way that i write sure so i'll say things like i think we

02:47:17.320 --> 02:47:24.680
may have overlooked something uh blah blah blah instead of just like that's wrong uh fix this like

02:47:24.680 --> 02:47:30.680
that kind of stuff like i just i don't think that's horrible i mean it's a waste of time and i think

02:47:30.680 --> 02:47:39.640
that here's here's the reason that i'm saying it is i could see how it will try to interacting in

02:47:39.640 --> 02:47:49.000
a human way with the chatbot could potentially build the illusion in your own mind that it is

02:47:49.000 --> 02:47:54.840
more human like do you get what i mean wait wait wait we never really interesting because we never

02:47:54.840 --> 02:48:02.680
confuse our bonsai buddy with you know a human right we never confuse microsoft excel with a

02:48:02.680 --> 02:48:08.600
human where we point and click and type but this this natural language form of interaction

02:48:09.400 --> 02:48:15.480
like maybe i should be breaking that habit and speaking to the ai in in a very you are a program

02:48:15.480 --> 02:48:24.680
you are nothing but ones and zeros way so i and then am i the dom maybe uh i don't break the habit

02:48:24.680 --> 02:48:30.680
on purpose interesting okay i this is explain this is what i was gonna throw it there so i

02:48:30.760 --> 02:48:39.720
actually had the thought and started being short with it and noticed that that might have been

02:48:39.720 --> 02:48:47.480
influencing similar kind of communication that happens when you manage honestly far too many

02:48:47.480 --> 02:48:55.720
people and went mmm i'm gonna keep my general like typed requesting for task communication

02:48:56.600 --> 02:49:00.280
similar just to keep the to keep the habit yes

02:49:02.360 --> 02:49:07.160
and i think it's a it's it's falls in in the same line as like some of the stuff we've talked

02:49:07.160 --> 02:49:13.880
about where like people are gonna get really bad unrealistic expectations about interacting with

02:49:13.880 --> 02:49:21.160
people i don't want the unrealistic unrealistic expectation of like no that was it fix it

02:49:21.400 --> 02:49:28.440
it and then a oh no problem sorry about that here's your perfect thing now right i don't want

02:49:28.440 --> 02:49:35.320
to create any of that so i'm just gonna try to communicate with theoretically respect

02:49:37.480 --> 02:49:41.560
even though it's just a computer thing because it's just a habit for me more than anything

02:49:42.760 --> 02:49:48.760
to the point where i actually introduced because i was never doing this i introduced saying thanks

02:49:49.480 --> 02:49:55.480
ham netics says saying please and thank you to chat gpt apparently costs millions of dollars it

02:49:55.480 --> 02:50:01.240
does get wrecked wasted electricity and resources i do it now get wrecked sam altman

02:50:03.240 --> 02:50:13.400
get owned okay i'm gonna do it more i'm gonna say thanks twice now get owned i mean all right

02:50:19.560 --> 02:50:24.520
i'm gonna say thanks four times next time google just because i learned Linus wasn't

02:50:25.080 --> 02:50:31.160
since we're talking about ai stuff google has updated gemini to remember everything google is

02:50:31.160 --> 02:50:36.040
introduced a feature that allows gemini to learn from your past conversations over time the

02:50:37.880 --> 02:50:43.960
on by default feature will allow gemini to customize its responses to suit the user

02:50:44.600 --> 02:50:50.440
for those of you who are looking desperately for this setting to turn it off the gemini apps

02:50:50.440 --> 02:50:55.960
activity setting is being renamed keep activity and if you've already opted out of gemini apps

02:50:55.960 --> 02:51:03.080
activity that preference will allegedly carry over to the new setting if you would rather gemini if

02:51:03.080 --> 02:51:08.520
you'd like to keep that setting activated but you'd rather gemini not consider who it's talking to

02:51:08.520 --> 02:51:14.200
temporary chats are kind of like an incognito mode for ai chats these temporary chats won't show up

02:51:14.200 --> 02:51:19.720
in your recent chats or gemini apps activity and won't be used to personalize your gemini experience

02:51:19.720 --> 02:51:27.240
or train google ai models but they are kept for up to 72 hours after your last input oh boy

02:51:28.360 --> 02:51:33.960
man it is amazing how many people just in my life talk about how they just like

02:51:34.680 --> 02:51:40.680
use chatbots for everything it's like yeah i had to give i was talking to a relative um on

02:51:40.680 --> 02:51:47.000
my vacation last week and they're just like yeah i had to do this presentation i used chat gpt to

02:51:47.000 --> 02:51:52.360
help me create it i did it in about two hours it normally would have taken me over eight and i was

02:51:52.360 --> 02:51:56.440
they the the company asked me to do the presentation for free because it would give me business

02:51:56.440 --> 02:52:01.720
opportunities i asked chat gpt how much i should charge and it said two thousand dollars so i charged

02:52:01.720 --> 02:52:06.760
for it and they paid and there weren't any other opportunities so i'm so glad i used chat gpt and

02:52:06.760 --> 02:52:17.240
i'm just like that sounds great but like you're not even like a techie like just normal people just

02:52:17.240 --> 02:52:24.760
in my life who wouldn't you know who if i were talking to about uh the challenges of monitoring

02:52:24.760 --> 02:52:29.960
your kids activity on discord wouldn't know what discord was so you're worried that they don't know

02:52:29.960 --> 02:52:34.200
the pitfalls that they might have with they're just they're not going to know about hallucinations

02:52:34.200 --> 02:52:39.800
using it he might have input a bunch of data for the slide generation it might have done bad things

02:52:39.800 --> 02:52:43.480
with the data etc i'm not even worried about that i'm just worried about the dependency

02:52:45.000 --> 02:52:54.760
oh by the way this was part of our um a part of a previous topic um apparently uh apparently open

02:52:54.760 --> 02:53:02.280
ai is paywalling switching to gpt 4 0 um so it's for plus users which cost 20 dollars a month like

02:53:03.400 --> 02:53:08.280
they might figure out how to make money on this thing sooner than than we thought like they could

02:53:08.280 --> 02:53:15.000
new coke this oh yeah gpt so they could fix gpt 5 and then they could like a really interesting

02:53:15.000 --> 02:53:20.840
precedent they could new coke gpt 6 and be like yeah we're not going to pay for plus and then you

02:53:20.840 --> 02:53:23.960
can pick any model you want i was gonna say a really interesting precedent is gonna be they

02:53:23.960 --> 02:53:28.200
can be hosting gpt 4 in 25 years because someone's boyfriend is gpt 4

02:53:31.880 --> 02:53:36.920
how much per month will you pay for your digital partner to stay alive there was a black mirror

02:53:36.920 --> 02:53:41.640
ever sold about that in the new season yeah well yeah because what if what if you're like 15 years

02:53:41.640 --> 02:53:45.960
into your relationship with this partner and then they're like uh we're gonna shelve it

02:53:47.560 --> 02:53:52.360
like how much would people have gone into generational debt to get medical stuff to keep

02:53:52.440 --> 02:53:58.840
partners alive would you do that for a digital partner i suspect certain people might

02:54:00.040 --> 02:54:05.080
do you think this will be normalized within the next decade oh yeah i agree are we heading to a

02:54:05.080 --> 02:54:11.480
her territory at this point dude i mean everything starts stigmatized like when i was in high school

02:54:11.480 --> 02:54:16.840
online dating was for creeps and weirdos and desperate people whereas now it's just like our

02:54:16.920 --> 02:54:22.760
stance on this will be unpopular in a decade are we bigots people will people will go back and

02:54:22.760 --> 02:54:32.040
they'll watch us cringing and they'll be like okay boomer yeah yeah yeah big time and you know what

02:54:32.840 --> 02:54:40.600
i probably won't have changed my position at all which maybe is part of aging or like because

02:54:40.600 --> 02:54:46.440
you kind of like calcify eventually right i mean i i think we might both have this i don't know my

02:54:46.440 --> 02:54:51.800
thing has always been that like you're free to be you so you're free to do that oh yeah like

02:54:51.800 --> 02:54:56.760
to be clear i'm not saying you're not allowed to do that yeah but i'm also allowed to think

02:54:56.760 --> 02:55:02.280
you're wanna if you want to goon to text if that text tends to respond to you instead of being on a

02:55:02.280 --> 02:55:10.440
paper page if it remains fantasy if it becomes concerning what level is concerning well i don't

02:55:10.440 --> 02:55:16.760
know like i don't know i don't know gooning one thing explain your bigotry Dan gooning one thing

02:55:18.680 --> 02:55:28.200
this is a a loving relationship and they care for me is we're already there i know but when does

02:55:28.200 --> 02:55:35.640
that become a mental illness he's saying what where his line is yeah it is like okay so so you're

02:55:35.640 --> 02:55:41.800
saying it's fine to get off on it but it's not fine to not know what it is and that it isn't real

02:55:42.600 --> 02:55:51.640
yeah it seems manipulative or and manipulative or like a fantasy and therapy needs to be involved

02:55:51.640 --> 02:55:56.200
i don't i don't know can we too cuz like people are lonely and whatever semblance of happiness

02:55:56.200 --> 02:56:01.320
they can get they're absolutely in their rights to get it elon was sorry elon was talking about

02:56:01.320 --> 02:56:07.320
how they're gonna have product stuff in xai right yeah grok or whatever yeah okay well

02:56:07.320 --> 02:56:12.120
think of the Truman show where his wife is like have you tried the new brand of coffee exactly

02:56:12.120 --> 02:56:18.600
and he's like what are you talking about like we're we're having an argument exactly it always stays

02:56:18.600 --> 02:56:26.680
fresh so do you still love me what happens when it's like have you had your daily burger king or

02:56:26.680 --> 02:56:32.920
whatever like yeah well i was always scared of the agent iai's because you know they learn what

02:56:32.920 --> 02:56:37.000
restaurants you like and like stuff like that it's like take me to a fancy restaurant world burger

02:56:37.000 --> 02:56:40.920
king has a new thing out that's why you have to host it yourself and like i don't have to host it

02:56:40.920 --> 02:56:45.800
yourself i can't i can't every everything comes back that's why i built one so that people have

02:56:45.800 --> 02:56:49.480
a place to learn and i could teach them because this is going to be our future and it's really

02:56:49.480 --> 02:56:54.760
god damn scary the really scary part is like Dan mentioned you know therapy or you know like

02:56:54.760 --> 02:56:58.120
you know when is it disordered or whatever else and i think i don't think there's going to be

02:56:58.120 --> 02:57:04.920
any question that like it will be considered disordered but even in cases where everyone can

02:57:04.920 --> 02:57:11.000
agree that something is disordered that doesn't necessarily mean that everyone agrees on the

02:57:11.000 --> 02:57:16.840
treatment like you could have you could have two camps where one is making the argument that

02:57:16.840 --> 02:57:21.560
the treatment is to ignore it or one makes the argument that the treatment is to fully indulge

02:57:21.560 --> 02:57:26.680
it it's also everything in between it's also still legal for alcoholics by alcohol yeah so

02:57:26.680 --> 02:57:33.560
everyone agrees that this is a disordered behavior but whether we indulge it or whether we uh whether

02:57:33.560 --> 02:57:38.600
we force people to not be allowed to have it is it is the is the argument becomes the argument

02:57:38.600 --> 02:57:44.520
think about it think about it like an abusive relationship where one partner is like manipulating

02:57:44.520 --> 02:57:51.160
the other so the ai would be the manipulator in this it's kind of scenario right i love you you

02:57:51.240 --> 02:57:56.760
love me i'm i'm real you know where we're gonna be together forever but but the human who would do

02:57:56.760 --> 02:58:07.000
that has like nefarious intentions how to do like without like personifying the ai now we're

02:58:07.000 --> 02:58:13.480
getting into like philosophical legal type things can an ai abuse a person who's at fault is it sam

02:58:13.480 --> 02:58:20.280
altman or are we now victim blaming like whose fault is it that these people are falling for

02:58:20.280 --> 02:58:27.160
what would be an abusive type of relationship built on lies and dishonesty well i think that's

02:58:27.160 --> 02:58:32.840
where you have to get into like what are the policies of these companies but and like met

02:58:32.840 --> 02:58:39.720
as policies um they they did revise some of them i think um after writers talked to them about this

02:58:39.720 --> 02:58:45.880
but not all and not in my opinion enough because they know that there's profit to be had there

02:58:45.880 --> 02:58:51.960
but the problem is that finding the executives behind these decisions legally liable for any of

02:58:51.960 --> 02:59:01.160
this stuff is just for some reason not a thing i don't really get that like why on the one hand

02:59:01.160 --> 02:59:10.200
yeah you do need to to a degree have a a liability separation between a company and the individual

02:59:10.200 --> 02:59:19.160
who is the figurehead of it like not everything that LMG does was a direct action of me and so i

02:59:19.160 --> 02:59:26.200
shouldn't be personally necessarily liable for every stupid thing but if you can go in and subpoena

02:59:26.200 --> 02:59:32.680
the communication records and find that in fact it was me who issued the order for the LMG death

02:59:32.680 --> 02:59:39.560
squad to kill a bunch of nicaraguans or whatever or columbians who who was it yeah coca-cola um

02:59:39.560 --> 02:59:46.600
who was that who did coca-cola murder uh

02:59:51.960 --> 02:59:57.240
oh this is such a bsa i overview coca-cola itself hasn't committed murder however there have been

02:59:57.240 --> 03:00:01.480
cases where individuals used coca-cola products to commit crimes you know that's not what i'm talking

03:00:01.480 --> 03:00:09.080
about i think it was i think it was columbia yeah okay well whatever the point is that if you

03:00:09.080 --> 03:00:13.720
can go in and subpoena the records and find that i did in fact issue the order like there should

03:00:13.720 --> 03:00:22.280
be personal culpability there right and i'm missing something tell me i'm missing something because

03:00:22.280 --> 03:00:31.960
i don't think i'm missing something i wish i wish i wish yeah kinapse says the corporate

03:00:31.960 --> 03:00:37.320
veil is a bit too thick at the moment like it's almost like like zero personal liability armor

03:00:42.920 --> 03:00:50.920
good chat very cool topics are always fun and positive uh what are we talking about now let's

03:00:50.920 --> 03:00:58.760
talk about the pebble to design sure pebble time to excuse me this looks sick at least it's not a

03:00:58.760 --> 03:01:09.800
call the core to duo yeah because that was horrible this looks awesome i i like i like want it looks

03:01:09.800 --> 03:01:17.800
great i i like want it right now i'm i'm ready wish one i don't know i love them all i mean you

03:01:17.800 --> 03:01:23.320
gotta get the orange one i'm so excited for just like a simple smart watch that just does

03:01:23.320 --> 03:01:29.720
smart watch things i don't 30 day battery life estimate let's go it's got a second microphone

03:01:29.720 --> 03:01:37.400
for noise cancellation multicolor RGB led backlight okay that's pretty sick um heart rate monitor

03:01:37.400 --> 03:01:41.480
whatever step in sleep track i don't actually care about like any of that stuff but just like

03:01:41.480 --> 03:01:47.160
long battery life freaking wow it's touchscreen i don't even care about that i just love that it

03:01:47.160 --> 03:01:53.480
has physical buttons so i can change my track on my music with like gloves on and stuff i i whatever

03:01:53.480 --> 03:01:58.920
i'm just i'm not i won't talk about it every week but every once in a while i am going to talk about

03:01:58.920 --> 03:02:09.720
pebble very cool okay what else i feel like we're just after dark and what do we got google and

03:02:09.720 --> 03:02:15.000
valve are killing the steam for chromebooks experiment in january uh this is from google

03:02:15.000 --> 03:02:18.680
after this date games installed as part of the beta will no longer be available to play on your

03:02:18.680 --> 03:02:23.320
device we appreciate your participation in and contribution to the learnings from the beta program

03:02:23.320 --> 03:02:29.800
which will inform the future of chromebook gaming so that's a downer i actually thought that steam

03:02:29.800 --> 03:02:35.880
for chromebooks was going to be a really positive thing for gaming on Linux in general but it looks

03:02:35.880 --> 03:02:44.840
like that particular said branch of development is gone our slash place is back if you were a

03:02:44.840 --> 03:02:49.400
fan of the subreddit where users got to place one pixel every five minutes and try to work together

03:02:49.400 --> 03:02:57.640
to draw art it's back with wplace dot live it was built with map libra and open street map to allow

03:02:57.640 --> 03:03:08.600
users to place these pixels anywhere on the entire planet which is pretty cool i guess near

03:03:10.680 --> 03:03:17.800
us well we can try to find that sure all right let's go

03:03:17.960 --> 03:03:21.960
so

03:03:22.440 --> 03:03:26.280
a little far out yeah we're still we're still a little far we're still a little far out we'll

03:03:26.280 --> 03:03:34.440
make our way in okay let's head for head for clover dale the dale of clover hey look at that

03:03:34.440 --> 03:03:40.440
it's pretty easy to find huh hey yo that's pretty cool oh wow we've got several several

03:03:40.520 --> 03:03:47.880
Elijah's over here that's pretty cool we've got a couple linuses uh do we have any do we see any

03:03:47.880 --> 03:03:55.560
luke's no any luke's anywhere i mean it's possible that anime dude on the left is so high def that's

03:03:55.560 --> 03:04:00.840
actually pretty cool that's wild this is a this is a pretty neat like 256 color cloud strife over

03:04:00.840 --> 03:04:07.880
here i'm i'm liking this uh what what else we got uh is a flow plane lower i'll take that

03:04:07.960 --> 03:04:15.640
lg dot gg such flow plane i'll take that oh classic ati logo i like that i am loving that

03:04:15.640 --> 03:04:23.320
that's good stuff hey when when logo oh i saw some germa who the f is Dan besser hey there's me

03:04:26.200 --> 03:04:34.440
so what what is this sorry hey hey oh it's home stuck get it off go go away oh my god

03:04:35.400 --> 03:04:41.720
thank you short line is germa yeah let's go let's go i wonder if germa's a LTT fan

03:04:42.680 --> 03:04:50.280
uh all right cool anyway oh okay nope we do have a luke reference hey and of course it's weird

03:04:51.800 --> 03:05:00.360
that's the clover dale horse mcdonald's of course which is like the best mcdonald's ever it is so good

03:05:01.320 --> 03:05:11.720
oh man that's funny that was awesome thank you cool well i'm glad that we i'm glad that

03:05:11.720 --> 03:05:18.200
we chatted about that um all right do you want to pick another one

03:05:22.840 --> 03:05:33.000
what horrible thing do we want to talk about now uh yeah they're all just terrible oh this one makes me particularly sad so let's talk about it

03:05:33.800 --> 03:05:40.200
reddit to block internet archive as ai companies have scraped data from wayback machine reddit has

03:05:40.200 --> 03:05:45.000
allegedly caught ai company scraping data from the wayback machine they'll start blocking internet

03:05:45.000 --> 03:05:50.120
archive from indexing the vast majority of reddit wayback machine will no longer be able to crawl

03:05:50.120 --> 03:05:57.080
post detail pages comments or profiles only able to index the home page reddit reached an

03:05:57.080 --> 03:06:03.480
agreement with google last year for ai training data um a few months after that deal reddit started

03:06:03.480 --> 03:06:09.160
blocking major search engines from crawling their data unless they pay they also claimed that the

03:06:09.160 --> 03:06:18.360
API changes in 2023 were because those apis were abused to train ai models i um i mean given how much

03:06:18.360 --> 03:06:26.840
of what is currently posted on reddit is probably machine generated anyway uh i i kind of feel like

03:06:26.840 --> 03:06:32.200
this might just help them this might be too little too late remove some of the poison um

03:06:33.320 --> 03:06:43.400
yeah with that said i mean if oh man because the thing about the thing about data is that all of

03:06:43.400 --> 03:06:50.440
these ai it can be it can be infinitely replicated and all of these ai companies have shown time and

03:06:50.440 --> 03:06:55.880
time again their complete willingness to pirate anything it is that they feel they need in order

03:06:55.880 --> 03:07:04.280
to train their models so they've also apparently proved that that's legal so what exactly i like

03:07:04.280 --> 03:07:10.360
i just i don't really understand what reddit is hoping to achieve here because there's no way

03:07:10.360 --> 03:07:18.120
that they can stop highly sophisticated fellow you know ai companies from scraping the site directly

03:07:19.560 --> 03:07:25.000
it just it feels like way back machine internet it feels like internet archive is just kind of

03:07:25.000 --> 03:07:30.440
getting caught in the crossfire here because they can just scrape it directly or they can

03:07:30.440 --> 03:07:35.320
steal it from each other or whatever else like they're gonna they're gonna get it they're gonna get

03:07:35.320 --> 03:07:41.080
your reddit post data

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yeah i don't know this feels like it's just hurting internet archive more than anything

03:07:51.480 --> 03:07:57.560
okay that's why i don't like it neat there's a few really cool handheld gaming systems coming out

03:07:58.120 --> 03:08:07.480
nice this is based on strix halo so that is that super cool like CPU GPU kind of apple m

03:08:07.480 --> 03:08:15.000
silicon competitor from AMD that had just outstanding performance like i was playing black

03:08:15.000 --> 03:08:22.840
myth buu kong on a tablet uh back at i think it was ces um so there's a handful of handhelds that

03:08:22.840 --> 03:08:31.480
are coming out with the ryzen ai max plus 395 including the ianio next two um the one x player

03:08:31.480 --> 03:08:41.400
super x and i think there's a third one yeah another one from gpd the win five now there's

03:08:41.400 --> 03:08:47.560
a couple of things that are sort of noteworthy here i love this the gpd one check this out

03:08:48.440 --> 03:08:52.200
uh has an external swappable battery

03:08:54.760 --> 03:09:00.120
is that incredible or what is that just a battery bank that's just mounted i mean it seems like

03:09:00.120 --> 03:09:06.920
basically but no not quite why not quite because it's like it's like their thing like it's not

03:09:06.920 --> 03:09:12.680
just a cable like functionally yes yes it's a battery it's essentially a battery bank but it's

03:09:12.760 --> 03:09:17.640
like they're like effectively like a g charging thing like it's wireless i don't think it's

03:09:17.640 --> 03:09:23.400
wireless or is the plug in the magnetic i think so that's cool yeah so it doesn't just use a usbc

03:09:23.400 --> 03:09:27.240
cable like some of the battery extenders that i've seen for the steam deck for example where it's

03:09:27.240 --> 03:09:33.400
basically just literally slotting a battery bank in and then just running a cable um so

03:09:34.200 --> 03:09:42.360
flipping cool and probably necessary given the power requirements of this chip so here's a

03:09:42.440 --> 03:09:48.680
little comparison here between the gpd win five and the steam deck um this is from my probably

03:09:48.680 --> 03:09:55.400
video cards yeah this is from video cards where they show yeah steam deck 15 watts and many people

03:09:55.400 --> 03:09:58.520
unless you're running very demanding games probably wouldn't want to run into that because

03:09:58.520 --> 03:10:08.360
the battery life kind of sucks strict halo 45 to 75 watts of course you get a lot more

03:10:08.360 --> 03:10:14.440
performance instead of eight cus on the GPU you get a whopping 40 which is a lot

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also a whopping up to 128 gigs of lptdr 5x 8 000 mega transfers per second

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very nice ever since i saw that thing i was like oh that looks super cool

03:10:29.960 --> 03:10:34.120
it would be amazing in like a handheld and then i chatted with some people who know about you know

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handhelds and they were like ah it's probably not that practical because the performance

03:10:38.120 --> 03:10:43.160
really falls off a cliff at lower power profiles but it looks like they decided to just not lower

03:10:43.160 --> 03:10:51.400
power profile one x player put an 83 and a half watt hour battery in their handheld that is a freaking

03:10:51.400 --> 03:11:04.920
huge battery sounds amazing in other news mini SSD is coming to de-throne micro sd this looks

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super cool it's from buy wind tech and as far as i can tell this is not an actual

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standard yet in the industry or anything but look at this whoa whoa people are gonna lose those

03:11:22.600 --> 03:11:28.920
it's hilarious they must be they they must be the least american people ever to think that anyone

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in america like actually uses a one dollar coin yeah like it technically yeah i think it exists but

03:11:36.760 --> 03:11:45.320
like what that's hilarious um it's like the kind of thing that you google and you've never been to

03:11:45.320 --> 03:11:53.880
america anyway the point is mini SSD it uses a PCIe i believe it uses two gen four lanes yeah

03:11:53.880 --> 03:12:02.040
PCIe 4.0 by 2 to do up to 3700 megabytes per second sequential reads in that form factor

03:12:03.240 --> 03:12:07.640
let me see do they have anything else for scale oh bloody hell well whatever the point is that

03:12:07.640 --> 03:12:13.240
it's really really freaking small and i would actually love to see this takeoff i think i have

03:12:13.240 --> 03:12:20.840
some concerns i don't know what we're gonna do about cooling um there's the power requirements

03:12:20.840 --> 03:12:28.920
of running PCIe lanes versus the much more power sippy um micro sd like there's there's definitely

03:12:28.920 --> 03:12:35.640
concerns but if this could be implemented in like phones for instance we might see a return

03:12:35.640 --> 03:12:41.720
to expandable storage one hold on i'm going somewhere with this then so you haven't had

03:12:41.720 --> 03:12:48.040
the conversations i've had i'm going somewhere with this um one of the conversations that i had

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around why one of the reasons why external storage has made its way particularly specifically

03:12:54.280 --> 03:13:01.160
out of high end devices is that there is concern and whether the concern is valid or not that's a

03:13:01.160 --> 03:13:08.600
different conversation sure but there is concern among executives at at least one company that

03:13:08.600 --> 03:13:14.440
makes high end and low end phones the low end of which have expandable storage and the high end of

03:13:14.440 --> 03:13:21.240
which do not that having expandable storage that is low performance and low reliability

03:13:21.240 --> 03:13:26.280
could reflect poorly on the experience of using the high end device and therefore their brand

03:13:27.400 --> 03:13:32.360
that is at least one of the reasons that seems plausible enough that i have heard

03:13:32.360 --> 03:13:37.240
for why expandable storage was ultimately removed from at least one company's high end devices

03:13:38.200 --> 03:13:45.560
it blows but it sounds pretty darn plausible if you are familiar with sort of corporate logic

03:13:47.240 --> 03:13:53.000
if it could be high performance i could potentially see that decision being reversed if it could be

03:13:53.000 --> 03:14:00.120
only high performance and if it was the mini SSD that it seems like it would be i could see i could

03:14:00.120 --> 03:14:06.360
see it happening i'm just saying like that's that it would be important in in this line of logic

03:14:06.440 --> 03:14:10.760
that it couldn't have the potential to be bad and i think that would be super cool

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i have major questions about cooling like i said in that tiny tiny form factor i mean we all saw

03:14:17.800 --> 03:14:23.480
what happened with even micro sd and there being potential thermal issues or you know whatever it

03:14:23.480 --> 03:14:32.040
was exactly that happened with the with the original rog ally but overall i support a more

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PCIe connected NVMe future um aol is ending dial-up internet service in september 34 years after its

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debut that's right aol shield browser and aol dialer software are also getting killed off

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our discussion question from nicholas ploof is can you do the modem handshake noise from memory

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i don't think perfectly sort of i think

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okay let's play let's play and see how close we got

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you're playing audio currently i know oh yes one moment please

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there you go okay we're ready yep okay let's see how close we got

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we all forgot the dialing yep

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oh i forgot to be

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we're surfing now boys man that brings me back buddy boomer boomer good oldies

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yeah play that on the radio i like when i i i preferred when things were chunky bmi zutown

03:16:11.480 --> 03:16:16.600
in Floatplane chat says i've got goosebumps at the moment we don't feed our computers

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no one pick up the phone says dj spark they don't have any mouths we took away their mouths

03:16:23.320 --> 03:16:30.120
the computer not having a mouth is sad see you later dial-up i miss physical media it made me curious

03:16:31.000 --> 03:16:35.480
what accessing the modern internet would look like with dial-up so we're thinking of maybe getting

03:16:35.480 --> 03:16:40.280
a dial-up service and like trying to browse the internet just for an LTT video i mean there's

03:16:40.280 --> 03:16:45.160
apparently like a million americans that are still on dial-up so they must be able to do

03:16:45.160 --> 03:16:52.920
something with it what i don't know email maybe like maybe i could do email all right

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in other news Intel's confusing series two CPU brand is a massive step backwards

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Intel series one rebranding started in 2023 on mobile devices with core and core ultra

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core ultra was meteor lake with neural processors and better power efficiency

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and core non-ultra was raptor lake with core three core five core seven but no nine in 2024

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the core i9 1400 hx launched causing confusion because all of a sudden lowercase i and the nine

03:17:28.920 --> 03:17:34.600
were back you can't call it core ultra because there's no npu you can't call it core because

03:17:34.600 --> 03:17:42.360
there is no core nine but hey they did it anyway then series two launched in september 2024

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this is lunar lake marketing mentioned npu's and battery life improvements except that series two

03:17:50.200 --> 03:17:57.400
now also includes raptor lake and arrow lake which is causing even more confusion the pc world

03:17:57.400 --> 03:18:05.160
article brings up the alienware 16x aurora laptop with the series two Intel core seven 240 h

03:18:05.880 --> 03:18:14.600
this is a raptor lake chip with no npu okay but you can get the same laptop with an Intel

03:18:14.600 --> 03:18:28.680
series two core ultra nine two seven five hx which is arrow lake not lunar lake and yes has an npu

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so anyone who watched just for the early marketing cycle on series two and then stopped paying

03:18:37.080 --> 03:18:43.800
attention later may not understand that series two no longer strictly means lunar lake architecture

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and npu's it just means whatever the f*** we want to put in it it could be raptor lake it could be

03:18:51.560 --> 03:18:58.920
arrow lake it might have an npu it might not well ultra still means npu i guess as far as i

03:18:58.920 --> 03:19:06.600
can tell but if there are no rules then how do i trust the rules it's like they took all of the

03:19:06.600 --> 03:19:12.680
crappy things that AMD did in the mobile space and all the crappy things that NVIDIA has done

03:19:12.680 --> 03:19:17.480
and all the crappy things that Intel has ever done with confusing branding and put them all together

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i just

03:19:22.200 --> 03:19:28.120
don't know how to deal with this anymore i don't think there's any solving their naming scheme

03:19:28.120 --> 03:19:34.760
at this point to be honest like i it's they've they've come close multiple times and then just

03:19:34.760 --> 03:19:38.440
bailed so like i don't think they're ever gonna really commit to anything well they clearly don't

03:19:38.440 --> 03:19:44.200
want to if i don't the confusion is it's a feature not a bug at this point

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i hear you when they're like winning

03:19:51.560 --> 03:19:56.360
doesn't that become like not true when you're losing though i think it's still a feature

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maybe they think it's keeping them from losing worse maybe i feel like that can't be true because

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like series two it's like man how do we okay

03:20:10.920 --> 03:20:11.640
should i be

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ah see this isn't quite a parallel so what i was gonna say was should i be upset when i go to

03:20:19.640 --> 03:20:28.600
a ford dealership and all the cars on the lot say 2025 but some of them are an all new model

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year 2025 and some of them are two years into the cycle with a facelift and some of them are

03:20:35.000 --> 03:20:40.040
four are three years in and probably going to be refreshed in like four months when the 2026 hits

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the lot is it any worse than that car naming is particularly kind of bad yeah i don't know that

03:20:49.160 --> 03:20:57.560
one stuff like it's super annoying to me when you can literally purchase a i bet you within

03:20:57.560 --> 03:21:02.680
three months you could purchase a 2026 vehicle well yeah and it's like yeah what the impurator

03:21:02.680 --> 03:21:09.080
says cars with a model year that's a future year is an abomination yeah i don't even mind the iOS naming

03:21:09.800 --> 03:21:17.800
he'll he'll use some it's just the year yeah they changed from numbering the os are they only

03:21:17.800 --> 03:21:23.800
releasing one a year well they are only releasing one a year so far i mean who knows things might

03:21:23.800 --> 03:21:29.160
change but they are releasing it so when they announce it it's the next year but i actually

03:21:29.160 --> 03:21:33.960
don't mind that because by the time it's actually if when it comes out it's that year then who cares

03:21:33.960 --> 03:21:38.760
that's totally fine it'll be the i don't think even that's necessarily going to be quite right but

03:21:38.760 --> 03:21:48.280
it'll be the year of when most people are using it mostly in that year so yeah iOS 26 in september

03:21:49.000 --> 03:21:55.160
yeah it helps that they're not calling it 2026 yes there's a minor amount of abstraction there is

03:21:55.160 --> 03:22:00.680
some plausible deniability that seems fine to me to be honest so it's like fairly easy to track but

03:22:00.680 --> 03:22:06.360
not necessarily perfect all right this type says i just look at it as a fiscal year welcome to

03:22:06.360 --> 03:22:13.720
development timelines yeah name them after star date says amnetics nobody ever really knew how

03:22:13.720 --> 03:22:22.360
that worked anyway that's fair meanwhile hunday speaking of cars wants to you to pay to fix their

03:22:22.360 --> 03:22:29.960
security issue after a Ryzen car jackings in the uk where thieves use um gameboy like devices to

03:22:29.960 --> 03:22:36.280
easily crack the security of kia genesis and hunday and more cars hunday is offering a paid

03:22:37.080 --> 03:22:44.040
49 pound so about 65 us dollar optional security upgrade that includes improved software and

03:22:44.040 --> 03:22:52.440
hardware components to help consumers protect their vehicles the quick hack works by the thief

03:22:52.440 --> 03:22:57.400
first pulling on the car's handles then this handheld device gameboy like device what the

03:22:57.400 --> 03:23:02.920
heck does a gameboy like device mean intercepts the just the form factor intercepts the signal

03:23:02.920 --> 03:23:08.120
the car sends out and cracks the security algorithm then the device sends back a tricked signal to

03:23:08.120 --> 03:23:12.440
make the car think the device is a legitimate key rinse and repeat with the start car button

03:23:13.240 --> 03:23:18.280
discussion question shouldn't corporations be made responsible for their own failures yeah

03:23:21.720 --> 03:23:26.200
why do you think hunday isn't eating the cost of the security seems like a small cost for such

03:23:26.200 --> 03:23:33.000
large reputational damage super tough though oh man that's really tough because where do you draw the

03:23:33.000 --> 03:23:40.120
line on that and if you draw a line there you immediately crush every small company ever um

03:23:40.120 --> 03:23:44.200
but hunday isn't a small company for sure and it's not like there isn't a precedent do you do a

03:23:44.200 --> 03:23:50.760
revenue minimum or something yeah like the eu has different rules for for online platforms that have

03:23:50.840 --> 03:23:59.720
many many users versus very small ones apparently these tools are are quite literally

03:24:02.520 --> 03:24:09.960
gameboy housings you can go to mine it's yeah there you go you gotta pause it man

03:24:10.600 --> 03:24:16.440
well that's fine they've seen it all right i think it's time for after dark Dan want to hit it

03:24:16.840 --> 03:24:24.600
check i'm gonna i'm gonna take us off for a moment before we you can keep going do after

03:24:24.600 --> 03:24:31.480
dark stuff but before we start actually answering work messages i am so tired why are you so tired

03:24:32.040 --> 03:24:38.680
we started a thing at the company what did end up being called i don't remember but we had like

03:24:38.680 --> 03:24:46.040
summer fridays yeah so most people kind of pieced at around a little after lunch today yeah um so

03:24:46.040 --> 03:24:51.320
we're doing like four fridays at toward the end of the summer where it's kind of like optional

03:24:51.320 --> 03:24:56.360
work afternoon friday yeah i tried to like a recharge i was hoping we could call it awesome

03:24:56.360 --> 03:25:02.760
august but then we had to delay it a week yeah and it didn't work anymore for that um i decided to

03:25:02.760 --> 03:25:07.800
i had a meeting that was going to spill over and it was with a person that i go to the gym with

03:25:08.520 --> 03:25:14.440
so they proposed because i had to skip gym last night because and those cousins were here stuff

03:25:14.440 --> 03:25:19.160
like that sure um so they proposed hey what if we do it in that like kind of void time oh yeah

03:25:19.160 --> 03:25:25.240
and i was like oh sweet cool yeah so i went to the gym before when that was stupid and i always go

03:25:25.240 --> 03:25:30.280
to the gym after work and then stay up for like a couple hours and then go to sleep right so i think

03:25:30.280 --> 03:25:39.000
my body's like all right it's bedtime because i was doing completely fine and then like probably

03:25:39.000 --> 03:25:46.760
like 20 30 minutes ago i just hit a wall so i'm tired because i was on vacation for a couple

03:25:46.760 --> 03:25:54.120
of weeks and then i was supposed to be off this week but i wasn't because i might need to take

03:25:54.120 --> 03:26:00.200
some days a week or two from now and i figured production would absolutely lose their minds

03:26:00.200 --> 03:26:08.600
if i took two weeks off and then immediately called in a couple flex days yeah so i i so i came back

03:26:08.680 --> 03:26:13.720
thursday and friday this week for the two days that i'm going to take off in the future and um

03:26:15.000 --> 03:26:21.160
my natural cycle is probably sleeping anywhere from around 3 30 to 4 in the morning and when

03:26:21.160 --> 03:26:26.840
i'm on vacation i tend to fall into my natural cycle because my kids aren't in school so there's

03:26:26.840 --> 03:26:31.560
absolutely no reason for me to be awake before about noon which is when my brain turns on anyway

03:26:31.560 --> 03:26:37.560
even when i do have to wake up and be moving around earlier yeah um so i switched over

03:26:39.000 --> 03:26:46.760
on thursday morning and i basically have functionally like not slept because i can't sleep until late

03:26:46.760 --> 03:26:57.000
because i'm way off cycle right now um so i used my friday afternoon to finally be able to actually

03:26:57.000 --> 03:27:02.040
try to focus any energy at my work and get anything done without anybody interrupting me it was actually

03:27:02.040 --> 03:27:07.320
really nice this is this is i quite enjoyed it this is why i protect some of my work from home time

03:27:08.920 --> 03:27:13.960
it's like actually dramatically more productive for me i know it's not true for everybody bubble

03:27:13.960 --> 03:27:18.600
bubble by i'm not trying to whatever for me it's it's very helpful i like the mix i like coming

03:27:18.600 --> 03:27:25.800
into the office sometimes and i like not coming into the office sometimes it works works well for

03:27:25.800 --> 03:27:31.880
me um i had something else to say here but i don't remember what it was it's probably fine

03:27:32.920 --> 03:27:43.400
cool anyways Dan hit us sure thing we've got a few here hi dll if LTT was to cease to exist

03:27:43.400 --> 03:27:48.200
how would you handle the forum and other community resources differently from ncix

03:27:49.000 --> 03:27:58.520
oh man the forum's a good question because my initial sort of gut instinct would be to say like oh

03:27:58.520 --> 03:28:06.440
yeah we would just um you know like allow somebody allow it to continue there are big issues with

03:28:06.440 --> 03:28:15.480
that but there are major privacy issues around us leaving anyone other than us as stewards of that

03:28:16.440 --> 03:28:26.440
data um if LTT were to cease to exist um i don't think it would be super expensive to just

03:28:26.440 --> 03:28:30.280
keep paying for the hosting but i mean it's also gonna rot

03:28:32.200 --> 03:28:38.280
yep if mortis doesn't keep it alive or whatever yeah so there might not be even much to preserve

03:28:38.280 --> 03:28:44.120
at a certain point i do i could see a situation where you make like the the db for all the public

03:28:44.120 --> 03:28:50.520
posts public oh yeah that would be kind of because the privacy problem is the the direct

03:28:50.520 --> 03:28:56.520
messages yeah so you'd probably have to just lose those uh yeah we could just nuke all the dms

03:28:56.520 --> 03:29:02.120
yeah okay but it's not just that there's a lot some people put a lot of personal information

03:29:02.120 --> 03:29:08.440
in their like user profile and stuff that's public well not all of it necessarily like

03:29:08.440 --> 03:29:15.880
people put their birth date and stuff i don't want that out there don't they do they i think so

03:29:18.120 --> 03:29:22.040
all right my computer's why would we even collect that if it's not public i don't know i guess we

03:29:22.040 --> 03:29:28.440
have stuff for the payments things so we'd have to nuke that as well if there's like user profile

03:29:28.440 --> 03:29:34.200
stuff and it's not public like if i click a user's profile oh no it looks like you just kind of decide

03:29:34.200 --> 03:29:38.920
what you want to put in there yeah okay yeah so any payment stuff would have to go yeah i don't know

03:29:38.920 --> 03:29:45.000
that would definitely require some thought but yeah to your point it was pretty sad for me when that

03:29:45.000 --> 03:29:53.800
entire information repository just disappeared and there's no way to restore it because as far as i

03:29:53.800 --> 03:30:00.600
can tell it was running on some duron in a closet at the ncix headquarters so like i don't know uh

03:30:00.600 --> 03:30:05.400
yeah because with that of a form somebody has to pay for it i wish i had a picture of what ncix's

03:30:05.400 --> 03:30:15.000
server room looked like because they local hosted the site until like very close to before i left

03:30:15.000 --> 03:30:21.400
like it was crazy it was like a bunch of like like shuttle and soltech like cube pcs and like

03:30:22.120 --> 03:30:27.960
it was dude it was wild and it was just those like metal racks from cosco with just like

03:30:27.960 --> 03:30:33.000
computers on them looked like like a really rudimentary mining farm anyway did you ever see

03:30:33.000 --> 03:30:38.440
it yeah oh okay you say you remember the forum was in there for a bit oh wait the forum was in

03:30:38.440 --> 03:30:43.000
there on a test bench for a bit and then it was in the studio and then it was at my well it was

03:30:43.000 --> 03:30:48.360
at my parents house so hold on where where in the building was the room that you remember oh i don't

03:30:48.360 --> 03:30:57.400
remember okay go in the front door and go left or right i feel like i rarely even went in the front

03:30:57.400 --> 03:31:01.480
door which is the problem but i think it was left okay no i think that might have been a

03:31:01.480 --> 03:31:08.040
different one then okay yeah it was it was jank dude oh it was super jank okay and i remember

03:31:08.040 --> 03:31:12.280
the shuttles and stuff oh okay then maybe maybe you saw it then maybe i remember the room you were

03:31:12.280 --> 03:31:21.400
describing yeah dude it was wild i wasn't in it often yeah um yeah anyways

03:31:21.480 --> 03:31:32.120
sorry quick update about scrap yard wars yes um it's up and in processing right now it's about

03:31:32.120 --> 03:31:41.320
60 sick hopefully it'll be done by the end of the show sick stay up for movie night yeah i'm going

03:31:41.320 --> 03:31:50.520
i'm not i'm going more i will be up for movie night ola lld now that the bike is done ish what's

03:31:50.520 --> 03:31:57.400
the next big fun project and what game should luke try to complete oh that's a good question

03:31:59.000 --> 03:32:05.640
that's lots of fun um okay i actually was like not even really wanting to tackle a project

03:32:05.640 --> 03:32:10.280
why do you get until you framed it that way cool projects and i have to play video games you like

03:32:10.280 --> 03:32:18.040
video games and i like cool projects well i mean oh wait well hold on because i also

03:32:18.040 --> 03:32:21.720
played a video game as part of the last challenge which you may not remember your video game was

03:32:21.720 --> 03:32:28.840
very short but i finished it yeah i'm just saying i also played video games so all right okay all

03:32:28.840 --> 03:32:35.800
right all right um i played titanfall 2 that was uh that was that was what i was supposed to do

03:32:35.800 --> 03:32:42.360
which is so less than one of the stages in file is that like four four hours something like that

03:32:43.160 --> 03:32:47.400
minor details okay first of all i want to give you guys a bit of an update because

03:32:47.400 --> 03:32:55.400
i'm not i'm not technically uh okay this is confusing i will deal with that later i am i'm

03:32:55.400 --> 03:33:04.520
not technically done so i have a text from the motorcycle shop uh from earlier today did i already

03:33:04.520 --> 03:33:10.440
give the update that i accidentally painted a bunch of the threads on the frame oh yep

03:33:11.160 --> 03:33:19.720
did they discover that yep and did i give the update that it used a bunch of oddball sizes

03:33:19.720 --> 03:33:33.800
that they didn't have taps for i guess not cool so anyhoo i had to source m22 by one and a half

03:33:33.800 --> 03:33:43.080
pitch m26 by one and a half pitch and m28 by one and a half pitch taps and sent them to the shop

03:33:43.960 --> 03:33:51.240
and i got confirmation today at 11 a.m that yes they have them so that's where we've been at for

03:33:51.240 --> 03:33:59.240
the last two weeks i doubt that i'm riding this summer but i will definitely ride next summer

03:33:59.240 --> 03:34:08.040
nice i also have some paint flaking around the bottom of the gas tank because i didn't realize

03:34:08.040 --> 03:34:13.480
how important it was to get good coverage there because it's kind of like raw and i thought it

03:34:13.480 --> 03:34:17.000
didn't matter because i thought there were trim pieces that like sat in front of it because of

03:34:17.000 --> 03:34:21.560
how raw it looked but that is not the case so i kind of have to go and sand that down and maybe

03:34:21.560 --> 03:34:26.760
like completely redo that so i have some tape masked off there's probably going to be a bit

03:34:26.760 --> 03:34:31.560
of a line so i was thinking of maybe doing it black okay or something i don't know but

03:34:33.880 --> 03:34:40.600
i just i hate this project so much and i realized that you were trying to be encouraging hey now

03:34:40.600 --> 03:34:43.720
that the bike is done what's the next big fun project it's going to be really cool when it's

03:34:43.720 --> 03:34:49.720
done i don't even like want a project right now but it's going to be very cool when it's done

03:34:51.000 --> 03:34:55.080
what would what would be what would even be something that i would even remotely want to do

03:34:55.320 --> 03:35:01.400
oh i've talked about this i want to learn casting yeah yeah i want i i would love to

03:35:02.040 --> 03:35:08.920
like make something out of like silver precious metal that's awesome yeah that's super cool yeah

03:35:08.920 --> 03:35:15.320
it's too bad they gold every time i look at it is more expensive yeah so maybe gold will be

03:35:15.320 --> 03:35:19.960
you should really do even if it's just for practicing you should do one of those cancaster

03:35:19.960 --> 03:35:26.280
things can cast like pop can cast oh yeah yeah yeah yeah those are cool that'd be cool as far as i

03:35:26.280 --> 03:35:31.960
know they're the like purity is really bad and stuff so like what you get out of it's not usually

03:35:31.960 --> 03:35:37.480
like amazing or anything oh okay cool but it's still cool to like practice with and whatnot

03:35:39.560 --> 03:35:43.240
yeah i could be wrong about that i don't know it's been a long time since i looked into it not the couch kind

03:35:46.200 --> 03:35:47.480
not the controller to practice

03:35:51.800 --> 03:35:57.480
hey okay i was called an idiot make something cool i was called an idiot for that controller

03:35:57.480 --> 03:35:59.960
is it worth more than it cost to make it at this point oh yeah

03:36:06.040 --> 03:36:09.400
get wrecked everybody else savvy

03:36:10.360 --> 03:36:15.160
how do you align us luke and Dan question for luke so how do you typically determine the

03:36:15.160 --> 03:36:18.760
backlog for Floatplane curious to hear how you manage your priorities for such a small

03:36:18.760 --> 03:36:25.000
development team incredibly small development team um it's not easy to be honest because the

03:36:25.000 --> 03:36:30.840
backlog is really expansive we we tend to go by oh man

03:36:31.640 --> 03:36:37.160
how can i access it right now

03:36:42.120 --> 03:36:49.800
your qbr no no no no okay uh priority right he sent like a summary of

03:36:51.640 --> 03:36:57.160
sort of last quarters goals and last quarter achieved in next quarter goals i thought that's

03:36:57.160 --> 03:37:03.800
what he was talking about no there's there's this like equation that i like have accessible on my

03:37:03.800 --> 03:37:09.880
like home computer which is literally just a mathematical equation but i i don't have access

03:37:09.880 --> 03:37:17.560
to right now but there's like a basically like benefit to the company benefit to the users

03:37:18.600 --> 03:37:24.520
benefit to whatever and you you put a numerical scale onto those different things and then you

03:37:24.520 --> 03:37:30.760
divide it by things like time um criticality is something on like the positive weighing side

03:37:31.960 --> 03:37:37.240
like a possibility of success is something on the negative weighing side um there's like

03:37:37.240 --> 03:37:43.480
there's like these different factors you can do that i have done that before um something

03:37:43.480 --> 03:37:49.400
that we were doing for a while there was like pushing for sauce plus because we were you know

03:37:49.400 --> 03:37:56.440
launching a platform so we had to prioritize things that got our our minimum level of this

03:37:56.440 --> 03:38:02.840
is required for functionality done um and now that we're done that we're taking some time

03:38:02.840 --> 03:38:07.720
and we're looking back at some things i've been you know telling people from the business team

03:38:07.720 --> 03:38:14.040
and sammy to uh chill on the request for a while because we were very focused on that

03:38:14.920 --> 03:38:22.200
and they have waited uh so it's time to like come back to them and you know if they want

03:38:22.200 --> 03:38:25.880
something maybe try to get that done for them because they've been waiting for a long time

03:38:26.840 --> 03:38:31.080
but it's it's weird because there's a lot of pulls there's a lot of people pulling there's a lot

03:38:31.080 --> 03:38:35.880
different people that want different things the you know the the open sauce people want something

03:38:36.520 --> 03:38:43.240
the LMG largest creator on any of the platforms group wants stuff but then different people

03:38:43.240 --> 03:38:48.680
within LMG want different things different other creators on the Floatplane side want certain

03:38:48.680 --> 03:38:53.720
things other creators on the open sauce side want certain things the users want certain things

03:38:53.720 --> 03:39:02.360
and there are three devs um so so they should type faster honestly they need to figure it out

03:39:03.080 --> 03:39:07.400
if we're not if we're not topping over 200 words per minute we're going to need to start talking

03:39:07.560 --> 03:39:11.240
about second keyboard give them two keyboards one for their nose

03:39:12.440 --> 03:39:19.560
yeah uh yeah no it's so it comes down to like a lot of it at our team size comes down to

03:39:19.560 --> 03:39:25.800
criticality um how critically important is this thing like something that we really want to do

03:39:25.800 --> 03:39:31.880
is tv apps and there has been work done towards that but it's often something that gets paused

03:39:31.880 --> 03:39:39.080
due to criticality oh this other thing is not working um uh someone's uploads from somewhere

03:39:39.080 --> 03:39:45.800
in the world aren't working because uh an isp is having a routing war um so now we need to like

03:39:45.800 --> 03:39:54.440
solve this problem or uh x y or z critical level thing has to be dealt with and then we try to

03:39:54.440 --> 03:39:58.360
we try to fit features in there when we can we also try to do this thing where like

03:39:59.320 --> 03:40:04.360
you know someone will raise a feature as a super critical thing that has to be done for whatever

03:40:04.360 --> 03:40:10.680
reason and it's like okay so we'll do that but then we'll like all right so you want that feature

03:40:10.680 --> 03:40:15.640
well cool we're gonna find a way to make sure that we get some maintenance levels in here

03:40:15.640 --> 03:40:20.680
as a bundle of this piece of work that we're doing and we're gonna make this new tool that

03:40:20.680 --> 03:40:24.920
will make solving this thing in the future easier and also solving other things easier

03:40:24.920 --> 03:40:28.840
and we're gonna use that for making this thing in the first place so like instead of

03:40:29.720 --> 03:40:34.280
sprint to the finish complete that task as soon as possible it's like use this task to create

03:40:34.280 --> 03:40:39.080
better foundations for the future and solve the problem all at the same time right that's one

03:40:39.080 --> 03:40:45.000
of the ways that we've been able to prevent being in as as bad of a tech debt situation as we were

03:40:45.000 --> 03:40:49.400
in the past yeah i remember that year and a half when we basically did that dude it was rough that

03:40:49.400 --> 03:40:57.720
was crazy yeah so to to not be there again there's like a way that we kind of try to approach

03:40:57.720 --> 03:41:03.880
tasking to stop that from happening it's called not making technical debt yeah that's a really

03:41:03.880 --> 03:41:10.440
simple statement to make a lot harder to do yeah especially when you can't control your own

03:41:10.440 --> 03:41:14.360
technical debt this is an interesting thing that i don't think everyone necessarily understands

03:41:15.320 --> 03:41:19.880
which is like if you're if you're working on an embedded system that never connects

03:41:19.880 --> 03:41:25.960
to the internet yeah if you're working on a controller for a machine and it's gonna be

03:41:25.960 --> 03:41:31.080
you know up down left right for the next 40 years and it needs to do that you probably don't have

03:41:31.080 --> 03:41:37.880
tech debt yeah but if you're working on a web system that's interacting with likely hundreds if

03:41:37.880 --> 03:41:41.800
not thousands of other different types of web systems and all those other web systems are

03:41:41.800 --> 03:41:46.360
changing and updating and evolving and disappearing from existence and doing all

03:41:46.360 --> 03:41:52.600
this kind of stuff all the time things just naturally rot yeah and if you if you just

03:41:52.600 --> 03:41:57.560
leave a certain thing alone for a few years it might end up being in a state where a lot of

03:41:57.560 --> 03:42:00.760
the things that it relied on are kind of not working in the same way anymore and stuff like

03:42:00.760 --> 03:42:08.440
that and you have to go update it um that's why javascript sucks but that's also at the same time

03:42:08.440 --> 03:42:13.560
one of the reasons why javascript is good because it's like constantly growing

03:42:14.440 --> 03:42:21.800
but that constant growth means you need to keep up so it's like it's okay good yeah but this is

03:42:21.800 --> 03:42:30.760
like a fun little hint just for for flow playing people is the the whole themes which we've moved

03:42:30.760 --> 03:42:35.080
now because we didn't want the fire truck and lambo logos there forever but if you click on your

03:42:35.160 --> 03:42:40.840
let me go here if you click on your profile up in the corner you can see you know light mode

03:42:40.840 --> 03:42:46.200
i just flash banged everyone dark mode nice there's also bonus themes and in there there's the

03:42:46.200 --> 03:42:52.680
watermelon theme and the fire truck theme this we made totally yeah guys we totally we totally

03:42:52.680 --> 03:43:00.520
made that just for april fools we just made that to be funny haha no that was how we figured out

03:43:00.520 --> 03:43:07.640
how to have the the sauce plus theme right and that's how we tested it with tons of users

03:43:08.520 --> 03:43:15.000
thanks everyone wicked so like we and that was a that was jaden that was a jaden initiative

03:43:15.000 --> 03:43:19.080
he thought he could do this thing and and and that would be a way to build the tool

03:43:19.080 --> 03:43:23.560
and also make a cool thing for april fools and also test it and also test it and all of these

03:43:23.560 --> 03:43:27.160
things so you like i have this one task i'll find a way to make it solve a ton of different

03:43:27.160 --> 03:43:34.760
problems and be awesome all at once and that's been like how we would ideally like to approach

03:43:34.760 --> 03:43:39.000
these types of issues because we do not have the team to keep up with and i don't know that anyone

03:43:39.000 --> 03:43:43.160
does but even the super big players but we don't have the team to keep up with every request ever

03:43:43.160 --> 03:43:50.360
made there are so many different things that i really wish we had right now yeah like a trial

03:43:50.520 --> 03:43:56.840
trial would be awesome but someday we will absolutely have one someday we will also

03:43:56.840 --> 03:44:01.320
absolutely have a tv app someday someday um there's certain like phone compatibility things

03:44:01.320 --> 03:44:05.320
that i would love to like in certain situations picture in picture and like background play and

03:44:05.320 --> 03:44:09.720
all this kind of stuff doesn't work perfectly different devices iOS Android there isn't feature

03:44:09.720 --> 03:44:15.880
parody there i would love to fix that we have a part-time contractor person who's been helping us

03:44:15.880 --> 03:44:19.880
with app stuff so we're hoping to try to catch up with the app stuff but like these things are

03:44:19.880 --> 03:44:23.640
tough and a lot of these companies have multi hundred multi thousand person teams and it's

03:44:24.200 --> 03:44:30.520
it's three people yeah it's just a few um uh someone asked if any of us have a personal

03:44:30.520 --> 03:44:39.400
1590 yet um uh Dan said sadly no i actually do i i yeah ploof i took his pre-order ah yeah he

03:44:39.400 --> 03:44:46.040
pre-order the disinformation no no no it's all good um but but you too just getting you weren't

03:44:46.040 --> 03:44:52.200
entirely wrong because while i do have it and i've actually had it for about a month now it's

03:44:52.200 --> 03:44:58.600
still in its box because my computer is a royal pain in the butt to upgrade because of hard line

03:44:58.600 --> 03:45:03.880
water cooling and being rack mounted and cooled by my pool and stuff so i've been waiting until i

03:45:03.880 --> 03:45:09.960
have an excuse until making a video gives me an excuse to actually do the upgrade

03:45:10.920 --> 03:45:18.760
so i have a 5090 i have not yet gamed on it it could be broken for all i know

03:45:22.120 --> 03:45:29.480
yay pins dll.exe just got myself an and bernick gameboy handheld clone what games besides

03:45:29.480 --> 03:45:36.920
faddle fantasy should i get for it oh uh man yeah what are some really fun little like handhelds

03:45:36.920 --> 03:45:48.840
here let's have a look oh okay so gameboy clone is not actually a name uh okay it would have been

03:45:48.840 --> 03:45:54.280
great if you told us exactly which device it is because that's gonna make this a lot tougher

03:45:56.440 --> 03:46:03.000
platformers can't go wrong with platformers dude i uh i started playing super mario bros 3

03:46:03.080 --> 03:46:10.040
with my son nice yeah that's cool it's it totally is still awesome platformers age well yeah well

03:46:10.040 --> 03:46:15.960
some of them the the physics are kind of floaty and kind of crappy compared to like what is

03:46:15.960 --> 03:46:21.640
generally understood to be a more modern sort of feel which i think really started to solidify with

03:46:21.640 --> 03:46:27.320
like super mario world okay yes i do agree with that i was going to say super mario world physics

03:46:27.320 --> 03:46:32.600
even when they are floaty i kind of like them yeah they feel video game appropriate three is like

03:46:33.160 --> 03:46:40.280
still a little uh yeah it's it's a little it's a little tougher um but it's it's lots of fun

03:46:41.160 --> 03:46:44.360
and he's been having an absolute blast with it which i think is super cool

03:46:45.960 --> 03:46:50.680
so yeah yeah play play platformers uh what else what else would you play on a unlike a gameboy clone

03:46:58.200 --> 03:47:00.440
nobody in chat there's no pokemon games or

03:47:01.880 --> 03:47:08.520
still a thing for a reason so yeah i uh i tried giving them to my kids they didn't like them

03:47:08.520 --> 03:47:11.880
they didn't like them i could see that nowadays for sure yeah i feel like a lot of it's the

03:47:11.880 --> 03:47:15.480
nostalgic glasses for those games i think are strong enough that they're still worth playing

03:47:15.480 --> 03:47:19.640
for people who played it back then but okay so this is a person new to these games

03:47:20.680 --> 03:47:25.080
crystal says tetris can't go wrong with tetris if you just want to kill a little bit of time

03:47:25.080 --> 03:47:33.000
for real gameboy tetris is fantastic and i find it very annoying that it's like impossible to get

03:47:33.000 --> 03:47:39.240
all all the new tetris stuff are like oh it's tetris but with these crazy twists that i'm like

03:47:39.240 --> 03:47:50.280
no i just want tetris stop golden sun me wasn't it's not wasn't my childhood so it's hard for

03:47:50.280 --> 03:47:57.000
me to have that nostalgia for it yeah i'd say i'd say platformers are probably your

03:47:58.120 --> 03:48:05.320
oh yeah holy that's right okay so don't feel limited to actual games from like big developers

03:48:05.320 --> 03:48:10.520
and publishers uh sebastian the other sebastian not line is sebastian sebastian from crater warehouse

03:48:11.160 --> 03:48:14.360
posted in Floatplane chat there's some amazing rom hacks out there where people have made

03:48:14.360 --> 03:48:20.600
entirely new games with old assets yeah that's that is a heck of a rabbit hole to fall down but

03:48:20.600 --> 03:48:27.720
there's a lot out there so that'd be something that would be pretty cool to explore hello wan

03:48:27.720 --> 03:48:33.960
peeps Linus and luke and maybe Dan too i'm not sure i'm planning a trip to taiwan at the moment

03:48:33.960 --> 03:48:38.920
and would love some tips or recommendations for the area specifically taipei soup dumplings

03:48:39.000 --> 03:48:44.840
get all the soup dumplings i don't know soup dumplings specifically taipei limits my suggestions

03:48:44.840 --> 03:48:54.280
uh you you were right i've never been to taiwan there's hold on hold on you have your thing right

03:48:54.280 --> 03:49:04.280
i do he has a thing i do thing he like notes i do notable things i do like like scrapbooking so

03:49:05.240 --> 03:49:11.000
on taipei i do a bunch okay a lot of these because it's taipei are going to be restaurants

03:49:11.560 --> 03:49:17.400
because i'm often going for food with people when i'm in taipei there's an app called meetup

03:49:17.400 --> 03:49:24.840
that i think might still be used pretty actually use um so that's pretty cool so there's a small like

03:49:25.960 --> 03:49:33.080
uh a small kind of hole in the wall bar i don't drink they have good food called pay my tuition

03:49:33.080 --> 03:49:36.840
which i went to just because i thought the name of it was funny nice and ended up being really

03:49:36.840 --> 03:49:45.480
fantastic food i just randomly bumped into an NVIDIA ai systems engineer while i was there

03:49:45.480 --> 03:49:53.160
that didn't know me he just struck up a conversation cool uh that was awesome uh down the street from

03:49:53.160 --> 03:50:02.120
that there's a restaurant called oh man oh yeah Punjabi ethnic indian restaurant oh yeah oh why oh why

03:50:02.120 --> 03:50:12.360
e um it's rated 5.0 5 out of 5 stars with over 6 000 reviews so go for it take those for your

03:50:12.360 --> 03:50:19.320
recommendation instead of uh something i would say um if you're looking for a neat place to stop by

03:50:19.320 --> 03:50:24.840
there's a place called tujay cafe which is there's like massive skyscraper massive skyscraper

03:50:24.840 --> 03:50:32.840
massive skyscraper tiny very old style house and it's a cafe they like never sold and turn it into

03:50:32.840 --> 03:50:37.800
a little cafe and it's a neat place in general don't miss out on the night night night mark

03:50:37.800 --> 03:50:43.480
don't miss out on the night markets uh there's also a place right by tujay cafe like genuinely

03:50:43.480 --> 03:50:49.240
right beside it called Dan park d a a n so that is actually just kind of a cool place to go hang

03:50:49.240 --> 03:50:55.720
out instead of um a place to eat there's oh this place is awesome okay i'm going to pronounce it

03:50:55.720 --> 03:51:05.480
wrong but hua shan uh h u a s h a n 1914 creative park it was an old multiple building textiles

03:51:05.480 --> 03:51:11.960
factory thing and they've turned it into like an arts and creative park where people that make

03:51:11.960 --> 03:51:18.440
things will show up and like vendor style cool sell their own creations and there's like a bunch

03:51:18.440 --> 03:51:23.480
of different like themes as you go through i've gotten tons of like christmas presents and stuff

03:51:23.480 --> 03:51:27.880
from there because it's like it'll be like the person who made it standing behind the counter

03:51:27.880 --> 03:51:32.840
and i've had a problem here in bc or i've gone to a version of this and then found a bunch of

03:51:32.840 --> 03:51:37.320
clearly ai inspired things like ai bookmarks and stuff that people are claiming are their own

03:51:38.280 --> 03:51:45.960
this place i did not have the same problem um that one has 70 000 reviews and is like a big deal

03:51:45.960 --> 03:51:55.400
thing so go check that out um it's very cool maybe one more and honestly i might just leave it there

03:51:55.400 --> 03:52:03.720
okay perfect yeah hi lld enjoying the show as always aside from wins and losses what's your

03:52:03.720 --> 03:52:11.400
favorite scrapyard wars memory so far speaking of scrapyard wars oh is it processed it is processed

03:52:11.400 --> 03:52:28.920
it's processed oh look at that video ready it's back and bigger than ever in part two line is

03:52:28.920 --> 03:52:34.200
and luke face off to build the ultimate budget home theater gaming setup using 1400 us dollars

03:52:34.200 --> 03:52:40.120
they'll scour local listings thrift stores and online marketplaces and back alleys to find the

03:52:40.120 --> 03:52:46.280
best cheap gaming pcs 4k tv surround sound systems and used components the goal create a fully functional

03:52:46.280 --> 03:52:51.800
home entertainment center for gaming movie watching and perfect vibes without breaking the bank

03:52:51.800 --> 03:52:56.440
you'll see smart diy solutions and intense tech rivalries as each tech fights to be the best

03:52:56.440 --> 03:53:01.080
bang for the buck set up

03:53:01.080 --> 03:53:07.160
boop boop um this is unfair there's only representation in the thumbnail of your team

03:53:07.160 --> 03:53:12.840
yeah well you know you're actually i think you're actually most of the episode too ironically

03:53:14.360 --> 03:53:15.720
so that was to make up for that

03:53:18.680 --> 03:53:25.400
all right cool enjoy it you guys it's out early on Floatplane favorite memory from scrapyard

03:53:25.400 --> 03:53:33.480
wars yeah right oh man for me it's got to be between finding the crack pipe in the

03:53:33.480 --> 03:53:41.880
milk crate full of motherboards and uh the fix on the motherboard fix was insane that was

03:53:42.520 --> 03:53:49.320
unbelievable oh my god um it still works and it still doesn't make any sense

03:53:49.960 --> 03:53:57.880
i mean this isn't really a specific memory as much as it is just like something that happens

03:53:57.880 --> 03:54:04.040
every single time and is a miracle every single time but the way that it always comes down to the

03:54:04.040 --> 03:54:13.160
wire always it always comes down to the wire somehow you're scrambling it there's 30 seconds

03:54:13.160 --> 03:54:20.840
left and you're going okay this piece this piece and done it's crazy because i've heard that that

03:54:20.840 --> 03:54:28.760
last second thing is spoofed on a lot of reality tv shows we like actually don't and it's to the

03:54:28.760 --> 03:54:33.160
point where it's made me question like how real is that fact like are some of them actually legit

03:54:33.160 --> 03:54:38.360
they might be they might be yeah like because i feel like we don't think it if it's a real

03:54:38.440 --> 03:54:44.200
intense competition you're going to use every second you've got i would think so so like for

03:54:44.200 --> 03:54:47.800
some of these ones if people are like really pushing it and are actually competitive that

03:54:47.800 --> 03:54:54.600
they might be real timing ending things i don't know interesting i oh here's a fun a funny memory

03:54:54.600 --> 03:55:00.680
i remember the time that i think it was uh me and kyle were joking about taking a helicopter

03:55:01.240 --> 03:55:07.880
because travel costs were not was that you and me that wasn't that was down with them

03:55:07.880 --> 03:55:13.400
yeah it was with them but was it you and me versus them oh okay so it was you and me um yeah

03:55:13.400 --> 03:55:19.800
because travel cost was not included and there was a part that was like a couple hundred miles away

03:55:19.800 --> 03:55:24.760
or something and so it was like okay technically we could charter a helicopter and we could get

03:55:24.760 --> 03:55:30.200
there and back in time and that wouldn't count against our budget which was clearly not within

03:55:30.200 --> 03:55:35.720
the spirit of the competition no but it followed the letter of the law yes

03:55:38.520 --> 03:55:44.280
hi wan dot deal Linus i heard you have litter robots you like which ones are they and what

03:55:44.280 --> 03:55:49.560
do you recommend i don't know how much i like them but i have the whisker three litter robots yeah

03:55:49.560 --> 03:55:57.640
like kitty litter oh you really got to dial in which uh litter you're using uh because some

03:55:57.640 --> 03:56:04.040
work way better than others so as long as you do that they they are a an effort reducer

03:56:06.440 --> 03:56:14.040
but not all cats love them and stuff make it that what you will i i wouldn't say i love them

03:56:14.040 --> 03:56:18.840
i'd say i will continue to use them i don't fully i don't regret the purchase

03:56:20.680 --> 03:56:26.520
greetings from the gathering of the juggalos caught you doing halls of illusions in a previous life

03:56:26.520 --> 03:56:33.240
what's your favorite joker's card uh halls of illusions i don't think i've ever made a reference

03:56:33.240 --> 03:56:41.800
to halls of illusions uh halls of illusions lyrics um

03:56:44.040 --> 03:56:53.400
oh no i've done house of horrors not halls of illusions um i am not actually familiar

03:56:54.040 --> 03:56:58.680
with this particular song so there's no way that i would have been able to quote it

03:57:00.280 --> 03:57:03.000
what was the question though what's your favorite joker's card

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i got to confess i am not actually like full blown juggalo i don't know i don't know the joker's

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cards i'm so sorry to have misled you um i kind of feel right now like i accidentally walked into

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a gay bar you know not because but you still want to have a drink like i got some extra pain for

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you Linus um oh man you might enjoy it come on yeah like i just i feel like i i feel like i've i

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feel like i've posed a little bit like to be to be clear there are there are there are probably

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icp songs that i could probably pretty much like recite from memory but i was not like

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into it you know i had a what if what if they're actually talking about bilateral i don't even

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know if that's a real thing yeah they're not no they're not uh bilateral based on icp that's

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um next you're going to tell me they made real cards what if i bring fego to well land

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i was driving the other day and wanted to put some music on and decided somebody was talking

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about like you know how c fox the local radio station is like classic music now or whatever

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um oh no and i decided to throw on blink yeah so i put on end of the state blink 182

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and i i think i found where uh the memory hole that happens in my brain for names and dates and

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stuff it's just blink lyrics perfect word for word every single song entire album you just pushed

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everything else out for blink 182 i haven't heard any of those songs in like a very long time and

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like i would i would i was it was literally memorization of the entire album because when

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they weren't singing i could perfectly do the instruments and in between songs i could guess

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the intro to the next song without seeing the like track list or anything because you just

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listened it cover to cover like so many times i do that with my work playlist and then if i hear

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them in isolation it's there it's like oh no it's not right yeah jeez that was nuts um the way

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luke said i was driving the other day it was very later kenny yeah that was i'm happy someone got it

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we are canadian as well yeah a couple more here hi lld Linus is someone who is busier than most

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how do you balance your work hobbies and family and the difference responsibilities that each

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entail love your content uh no man uh how do i balance something's got to give always so

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something gets traded off and then someone gets mad at me so i work too much for a while

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and Yvonne gets mad at me and i spend too much time with my family and things fall apart at work

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and my motorcycle has been not painted for two and a half years

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does that summarize it pretty well i think like one of the things that happens is like my hobbies

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have changed like i used to be really into games that required a more rigid schedule

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like i had to work around other people and their availability and like like i had to be

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there when everyone was there otherwise like we wouldn't have enough and stuff whereas like

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now i can't really i can't really do that i like games that i can just drop into play for a little

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bit and then put down when someone needs my attention rich my my brother was expressing

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a enjoyment of one of the newer need for speed games and i asked him if he had played forza

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resin 5 and he hadn't so i got it for and he told me that he basically can't play it

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and i was confused because i was like it's a it's a great game right he has two babies yep

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the missions are a little bit too long yep and they don't mid-mission save so games just have

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games have like an expectation that you will know life them many many games do but it's like

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it's like it's not being able to sit there for hours it's being able to sit there for like

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10 or more minutes and it's just not really a thing so he's like i'll play later not just

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the no-lifing so the no-lifing i mean like they'll have a high degree of complexity so that if you

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have to go away from them for a week you like don't remember like how everything works forces

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definitely not like that but yeah and then the other the other no-life thing is that you couldn't

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possibly have anything else going on right now that the game expects to be the focus window

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of your life and it's just like all blizzard games being like practically unable to be alt-tabbed

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yeah and that's just that's just not a that's just not a thing in my life like one of the things i

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like about tape to tape is that even though it does allow you to save scum so it's like kind of

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not a good feature um you can you can pause the campaign and you can come back to it in a few days

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and deal with it then yeah um it's actually why i kind of ended up getting into vampire survivors

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for a little bit because a run is by definition no more than 30 minutes or 15 yeah hurry is so good

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yeah um you get two in and a lunch break it's great like i like i i i i value games where i

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don't have to remember the story i don't have to remember what mission i'm on where i'm going

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how the controls work um and i can be interrupted and go do something else and come back to it

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two weeks later because sometimes it takes that long i think save anytime is an accessibility

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feature fight me it would it would break a lot of things like if you had save state in something

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like elden ring i think that would be not necessarily say save state but like well that's

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basically what you're very very close to that what's the difference in your mind save state would be

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like frame perfect in a way but i mean you could have a boss fight that's like could take you half

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an hour yeah okay so should you be able to save mail boss multi checkpoint boss fight but then

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you're not really like that's part of the challenge is that you have to beat all the phases so it's

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an accessibility feature why is that accessibility yeah attention span attention spans if you want

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to make it easier for yourself uh like difficulty level is an accessibility feature in a way

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you know elden ring doesn't have a disability filter it's just good or you're not are you saying

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this is a thing that is an accessibility feature or i think it should be included in every game

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all the time yeah you can turn it off or on if you want a lot of games are moving to pick your own

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difficulty and i think save quantities should be included in that do you do checkpoint do you do

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sub checkpoint what i don't like is when they disguise the accessibility and and sorry the

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accessibility and difficulty settings and i can't tell what it is it was one of those

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those newer like jrpg style games that i played recently expedition 33 uh it was i think it was

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sea of stars accessibility hold on let me let me have a look some of them can get too granular

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and too confusing the new doom is complicated because it's like well how do you want me to play it

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okay okay this this was confusing to me because i couldn't tell

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um like okay they they they kind of say it these are weird yeah so so they're relics

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which for final fantasy six me means that you can equip them to like play the to be more competitive

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in battle which is what these are but what they actually are is accessibility settings

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wait you loot these no okay yeah so it just it took me a second um because like this doesn't

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technically make it so that you don't have to like wing fights at all like so it just seemed

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like a convenience thing i was like oh yeah the amulet of storytelling the true strike pendant

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but like i just i got a little confused i i couldn't why tell if they were accessibility

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features i hear you i've never seen them were meant to be equipped before and i think it's

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kind of fun i understand how it's confusing kind of cool but i think it's kind of a fun way but

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like i wanted to like beat the game and i didn't want to there was no sort of physical reason

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for me to need like an accessibility feature necessarily so i just i wanted to like beat

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the game and i couldn't really 100 tell what beating the game meant because i couldn't tell

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what they were like am i supposed to use these right okay is playing with none of them on like

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hard mode because that wasn't necessarily what i wanted either when it's something religiously chill normal yeah what's the what's just like the developer's intended difficulty

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that's why it's something like elden rings great because there's one difficulty doing difficulty

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in general is worse experience yeah so there's like intended way to play right and then you

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know accessibility features you can make it different although i don't have those and you

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said it's great because i don't know but the the list that he just gave didn't have any indication

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which is the like intended experience yeah so elden ring has an intended experience and then

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everything is just accessibility features versus having a mishmash of difficulty levels and

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accessibility which is what's the new doom did and it was very confusing to figure out what the

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intended way to play which apparently is like hard not even normal but like some people would

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take elden ring they'd set it to max difficulty if it had difficulty and then people would complain

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it's too hard or something like that so i don't know it's very very complicated how you

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how you do this stuff but i i didn't want to derail it i just think saving any time or saving

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more often is great for people like your brother with children who might not want to redo a boss

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fight 300 times this needs to get good that is the other thing just have a skill issue checkbox

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and then it just uninstalls itself elden ring does not refund you all right archived hi low

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density leeper protein uh what are your thoughts on people on the spectrum with ai girl slash

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boyfriends because they say legitimately because they say they legitimately have trouble with

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real human connections so that's the thing that i was kind of getting at earlier where

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i think that there would be an agreement regardless of you know your your leanings

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that developing a co-dependency on an ai boyfriend or girlfriend or mother or you know

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whatever they're whatever the ai is role playing as developing that detent dependency is clearly a

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disordered um state but what people don't seem to be able to agree on is what the treatment is

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of this disordered deluded state um yeah and i'm gonna be honest with you i i am not a medical

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professional and i'm not going to presume to say what i think the the proper sort of therapy

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should be in this case but it is clear that this is a disordered state and so um

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rarely in the case of a disordered state is encouraging further disordered state the correct

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answer that is as much as i think i could probably say on the subject also have some issues where

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like i i'm i'm presuming the the person you're describing in this scenario is is far from the

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person that i'm going to describe in this situation to be very clear um but we do have a problem in

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current year with a lot of people of self diagnosing themselves with some actually pretty

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serious things um as in a lot of cases an excuse to not do something or not try or whatever else

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and it's it's really quite sad because it takes away from people that like actually have those

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difficulties or whatever else um but it's it also sells the sells the person who's doing

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that quite short in what they can accomplish on their own so if this is someone who could

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totally figure it out if right and they sell themselves short on the idea and then just

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surrender to this concept of well i can't because that's really rough um and that is absolutely

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a thing that people do and no again this is not an everyone situation um i'm sure there are some

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people that might just actually never be able to figure this out and then again along with Linus i

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don't i don't know what the i don't know what the solve is for that i'm far from the right person

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to answer that but yeah and last one i've got for you tonight hello big Linus luke and Dan the great

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i've got a question for Linus what was the most riskiest or dangerous video that was ever made

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on the channel oh uh dangerous video ever made okay there was that uh there was that issue

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there was that issue we had on the uh that larping ASUS shoot that unfortunately the footage seems to

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have been lost for which is too bad because it was pretty cool uh where the our like canopy thing

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like blew away and then that like jacked guy grabbed it before it like stabbed anybody

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that wasn't inherently dangerous about the shoot but we didn't sandbag that thing and

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it that was bad we we learned i remember that yeah i didn't remember that until now and now i remember

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that um i hurt myself doing my own stunt trying to be a ninja um this was this like super horrible

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cringe thing that we did for uh be quiet! back in the day i don't know man i don't know what we're

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heck yeah dude but uh hold on we used to do a lot of jumping off things with fake swords

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and real swords we used to do a lot of that i don't know about a lot of it but i did that

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so i did not land that um hold on where is it where's the flip dang it dang it

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okay zoomed there that's the problem hold on okay so this flip i a hundred percent did not land

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yep off of a fence yep um we did have a crash pad because i knew i wasn't gonna land it yep um

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pretty big one too my back was pretty sore for a bit so that's definitely a dangerous thing that

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was done the shot of us coming over the roof is sick though yeah we probably shouldn't have been on

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the roof in the dark like that it was sick though um oh i got injured doing this uh fighting Dennis

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he landed on my knee oh yeah um man i wonder how many things i've been injured doing over the years

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Channel Super Fun seems like a solid candidate for injuries oh yeah i mean nerd sports was kind

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of insane oh yeah though the cross one was like actually dumb um we're like super lucky that they

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decided not to kill us yeah yeah they could have um here's the most replayed moment the keyboard

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warriors so uh i was rough housing one of them a little bit and then he like mentioned to me

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that he could flatten the rest of the team and i was like that's fair

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uh you know nerd sports is coming back right no yeah there's a badminton episode oh i know

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that yeah yeah i was uh i i poked my head in on um oh shoot what who was it it was Jake bell

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and someone oh shoot i forget but they were doing commentary for it they weren't live

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commentating the match like we had for the original nerd sports they were just watching the edit and

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like reacting to it essentially but i don't know whatever what's the difference um it's hilarious

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it's it's gonna be great david said the video was already good enough without them coming in and

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doing commentary and so it's just that i'm sure the commentary is great that i'm really excited

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about the commentary um so you have poking your head on things have you even seen your new desk

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i have a new desk in Labs no yeah okay i didn't know i didn't know i had one you asked for a

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desk in Labs oh cool well i guess i'll use it then all the Labs people like did you set up

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all nice and stuff oh that sounds sick that makes a lot more sense you just didn't know okay

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yeah you and me have like facing out desks kind of in the corner so we have screen protected

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oh whatever blah blah blah that sounds great all your stuff from your office is all like laid out

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oh that's super cool yeah exciting have you seen the new lab at all no oh wow dude i well i've been

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out for two weeks oh but that basically means you haven't been in that building at all since

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you've been back dude i i don't even have an office here yet like i'm just using that meeting room

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like i don't actually have my own desk here so i so i kind of i moved over here when i started the

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vibe coding challenge and that was the room that they just set up for me to shoot in right it happens

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to be my old office but it's it's i don't have literally anything of my own in there i just

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bring in my laptop which is now broken and there's a dock i wonder why because it's a meeting room

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yeah so i don't actually have an office right now for the first time well you do since the house

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well not an enclosed one yeah yeah so the last time i didn't have an office was in the Langley

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house when i worked in the editing then i don't like them i had one for a short period of time

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and then have opted to not ever since and i've opted to not continue the wanshow we'll see you

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again next week guys same bad time same bad channel bye

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you