WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 Wow. You must have some pent-up Apple thoughts in that brain of yours. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.000 What makes you say that? You haven't had an outlet. You've been stuck inside. 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.000 I've been stuck inside for almost two and a half, three months. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:16.000 Physically and spiritually. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.000 And mentally. Yes. Other ways. 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:22.000 I got into a motorcycle accident. Jonathan Horst. 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:28.000 In March, I broke my shoulder, right in the shoulder, had to get surgery. 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:32.000 That's wild. So a screw drilled into my shoulder. 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.000 Geez. And then I had to recover. 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:41.000 Did you do a whole breakdown of every single thing wrong with your body in the Mac Address video? 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.000 I summarized it. I did a whole breakdown in a Twitter thread. 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:50.000 And I kind of summarized it pretty well. We grabbed the skeleton for the Mac Address video and I pointed at the places where... 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:53.000 You should do a flow plane exclusive. 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:56.000 Just kind of like a body tour of the new mods. 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.000 It's like a small little... Yeah. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.000 There's X-ray photos in that video too. 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:07.000 That's crazy. Yeah. It's small stuff and things are healing. 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.000 It just takes a while. But they cut to cut my shoulder open to fix it. 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:16.000 Oh my gosh. I had to basically wait for my shoulder to build itself back up. 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:19.000 My rotation. This rotation is still almost there. 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:24.000 But now I can do things. So if people want to get all of the grizzly details... 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:27.000 What's the latest Mac Address video? Thread at the beginning. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.000 Go to your Twitter thread. And then stay for the rest. Yeah. 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:33.000 Because you did do some recent Apple videos. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:36.000 I just know it's... That was the video. 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:39.000 I finished... Well I did the WWC video. 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:43.000 But I finished the latest videos when I started on Before the Accident. 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:46.000 Which was on the Vision Pro. Yeah. You just put out your vision. 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.000 But there were some new things to kind of update it with which you did. 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:52.000 I feel like. I watched it. 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.000 I didn't know. There's not really much new. 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.000 Didn't you have the 3D photo viewing thing? 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:01.000 Yeah. I didn't. But I haven't tried a Vision OS. 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.000 I haven't tried any of the Betas. Because I'm too scared. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.000 They're Betas. And you're an Alpha. 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.000 That's right. Ride in motorcycles. No one can stop you. 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:14.000 And you're still going to ride. Yeah. I got a new bike. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.000 And I just got a service today. 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.000 So we're getting close to back of the road. 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.000 But I have less than a month to do my road test before I have to start the whole process. 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.000 Again, if I don't pass it. So we'll see how things go. 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:33.000 It'll be an exciting. And the next accident you get into has to be even more intense or otherwise. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.000 No. No. Please no. 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:42.000 Well. I'm like mad about how intense the accident injury was considering how careful I am. 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:45.000 And how not fast I was going. Just like. 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.000 It's like. What? When you care. 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.000 And all the gear I was wearing. Ruin? 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.000 No. Well the helmet's rare. No. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:57.000 The helmet was ruined. Obviously. Because you can only use it once. 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.000 But I got the leather suit. I got that fixed. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:03.000 You're more badass than I'll ever be. 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:06.000 Listen. I rode twice. So we're not. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.000 But still. The idea. I don't think I'll ever get on a motorcycle. 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.000 No. I just don't want to. I don't want to do it. 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:16.000 Fair. Because. Okay. 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.000 Wait. We may or may not include this part. Sure. 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:24.000 But do you remember. I feel like a couple weeks before you got in your accident. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.000 Uh huh. I had a conversation with you. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:31.000 Where I specifically said to you. 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.000 You got a motorcycle? Are you crazy? Do you want to get an accident? 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.000 I said that. It was rude of me to say that. 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.000 What? No. But. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.000 What did I say? I probably said. You were just kind of like. 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.000 You know. Hopefully not. Yolo. 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.000 You know. Like I think you were like. I want to do it. 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:54.660 Be safe. Well. I brought up some like fake statistic that wasn't actually accurate about how motorcycle 00:03:54.660 --> 00:03:58.000 people get in more accidents. But it's not actually that they get in more accidents. 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.000 That the accidents they get in are more severe. 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.000 I think. Well. Yeah. 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.000 I mean I do think. There's like a common thing where it's like. It's not if. 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.000 But when. But I guess it's the same with cars. So it might be the similar in terms of that. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.000 And like. Yeah. The risks are higher because like if something goes wrong. 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:16.000 Like you're flying wherever. Right. Um. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:21.000 Or if you hit a car or a car hits you. This was just a single vehicle accident was just me being just being fucked off the bike. 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:26.000 But. You're flying in the accident. And then you're flying at the hospital and they give you morphine. 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:29.000 Yeah. Stupid. Yeah. 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.000 No. They give me ketamine for one surgery. Hell yeah. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:35.000 And I'm like they're like you're going to have a nice high. And I'm like okay. And then. 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:38.000 Where do I. And I didn't know where. I didn't know what nice thing to think about. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:43.000 And then all of a sudden I was like I wonder where I'm going to go. And then I ended up in the like holes of the palace in dune. 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:48.000 And I was like oh that's cool. That's awesome. And then I was like telling them as I'm coming to I can hear them talking and like telling 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.000 them like I'm in dune. And then I also. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.000 They're like I also shouted whatever man. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.000 No they were very busy yet. And then I shouted no they started they shouted lose it all guy. 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:01.000 I also shouted what did I do to myself. 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.000 Which is an interesting thing. But we don't include that either. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.000 But anyway. Yeah. Muadib would never say. 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.000 I mean. I remember saying it and thinking like yeah that's true. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.000 What a true thought. Okay. 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.000 You know. Let's get to Apple though. It's been a while. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:22.000 So much has happened. The most recent thing that has happened which I feel like we should start with for the sake 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.000 of the algorithm is the RCS support. 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:28.000 Apple just at they announced it at WWDC. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.000 Barely. Barely. I missed it. 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.000 If they announced so many things. I literally wrote in my notes. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.000 Where's RCS. And then someone's like oh no it's in the bento box. 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.000 And I was like what they like and then apparently they mentioned it. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.000 That's the bento box. They show at the end they're like and those that's iOS. 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.000 Oh right. And they show all the features. Yeah. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.000 The thing comes in. Yeah. So. 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.000 That's so annoying when they have stuff in there that I was like huh what. I think it was also mentioned by the executive in the presentation too. 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:58.000 But I must have like my attention was for one second not on the video. 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:02.000 And you missed the one. Yeah. But they really did not want to talk about it. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.000 It's so hard to keep up with all that stuff. 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:11.000 But regardless they rolled it out. Yeah. And we're filming this on Thursday June 27th. 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.000 This is going to come out on Monday. 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.000 And they just rolled it out in the past day or two. 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:22.000 And you know one thing that I people were talking about is the fact that some of the 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:26.000 headlines say the green bubble nightmare is over. 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.000 But of course the green bubbles are still there. Yeah. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:35.000 It's it's it's. I snazzy Labs tweeted some screenshots of him trying you know I haven't tried it myself 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.000 because I'm terrified of betas. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:44.000 But it's really funny to look at because it's like you have the green bubbles and then there's 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:49.000 a read receipt underneath. And like the oh god what are they called now. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:54.000 The words the tap backs. There's tap backs with the emojis. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.000 Yeah. It supports tap backs and reader seats. And so it just does. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:03.000 Oh wow. It looks like I was trying to look up what the actual support looks like. 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.000 I believe you. And in the screenshot you can see the tap back working. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:10.000 So I imagine it includes that the pictures are going to be high quality. 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:17.000 Honestly pretty excited. High quality media is the biggest thing that is the biggest exciting thing for me. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:23.000 I hate this. I like I'll message stuff to my parents or my parents will message stuff to me. 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.000 My whole family is well one of my brothers is on Android and the rest of my family is 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:33.000 all iPhone. And. Do you get the bad quality or do they get the bad quality. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.000 Really. Everybody suffers because of Apple's hubris. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.000 Not even hubris. What is the quality of the photo. 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:47.000 Nonsense. It like you can you can you can even tell from the small preview that it's like pixelated 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.000 and I just like it's funny people talk about it and I know that the spec isn't great. 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.000 It looks like the bit rate is like way too low. 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.000 So it's not that it's like for video specifically. It's for videos and photos. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:03.000 But now with RCS I mean so it's just in the beta so it's not rolling out to every iPhone 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:06.000 right now. Yeah. But it will in the fall. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:15.000 Yeah. That's great. And so I mean it took so long but we're finally here and it's one of those things like one 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.000 broad thing that I want to talk to you about. Yeah. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:23.000 In terms of Apple and and recent changes that they've made is that Apple especially when 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:30.000 it comes to the iOS and iPad OS ecosystems they're they're kind of being forced and they're 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:39.000 fighting it every step of the way but they are being forced to become a lot less Apple 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.000 like. Like oh interesting because take RCS support. 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.000 Yeah. This is something that they would never add. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:51.000 They ignored Google's yeah very very very public campaigns to get them to add it. 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:56.000 Yeah. It's been a thousand years and years and now the only reason that they're adding it correct 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.000 me if I'm wrong is because of the EU. 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:06.000 It's China actually being like it's China fascism light and just China continue China. 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.000 Well I don't know the specifics about the fascism by the way. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:14.000 From what I heard it was actually China mandating RCS not the EU. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.000 Okay. What do you mean China had some sort of thing where they want now all the phone makers to 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.000 support RCS. Was that before or after the EU. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:25.000 It was a little bit before because they had announced that they're going to add RCS a 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:30.000 while back. Well I'll take your word for it but regardless I think that the overall trend in like this 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:36.400 is happening in China. I think Japan has had some pretty good strong regulation Korea as well regarding the app 00:09:36.400 --> 00:09:41.000 stores at least. Well they're working on well Japan just announced something just recently. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.000 Yeah. The EU's been working on something. It is. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:49.000 Things are getting kicked away at I think the US will get there eventually yeah. 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:55.000 We'll get there after we start you know finish making stupid laws then we might. 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.000 Oh no. It's going to get. We're not going to get into C11 right now but it. 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:06.000 It's old. We have C59 now. It is old but I feel like recently I've heard that it might just like die because there's 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:10.000 going to be a regime change anyways. That's not here. 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.000 Look at this smile on his face. That's not Apple. 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:18.000 That's not Apple. Listen so how do you feel about this as an Apple person. 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.000 Wow. Do you feel like something is being taken away. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:24.000 I know. Okay so. Even though their features being. 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.000 Let me tell you something. Along with Apple one thing I'm interested in is antitrust. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.000 Yes. And the anti-monopoly movement. 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:34.000 And so I'm like this is pretty good actually. 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:40.200 It's pretty good. Interesting to see. It's very interesting to see kind of governments in the regulatory structure kind of wake up 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:45.200 and be like do we want is this good is this the way we want things to be. 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.000 They're doing it in weird ways and everyone's kind of doing it in a different way and it's 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:52.920 going to be interesting to see I guess which way prevails. 00:10:52.920 --> 00:10:59.400 But like the thing is Apple's app store probably was always destined to be chipped away at 00:10:59.400 --> 00:11:06.200 because it just got so controlling. And like it was sort of the strange nature of when the iPhone came out. 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.320 There was no app store because they didn't want to have any apps and like I watched actually 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.920 the other day I watched like the presentation where Steve was like this is how apps would 00:11:13.920 --> 00:11:20.320 work. Web apps would work on it. It was like a website with like app buttons that look like it's just like crazy. 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:25.160 It was just still on a website. And then the next year they added the app store. 00:11:25.160 --> 00:11:29.200 Sometimes I wonder if it was always part of the plan and they just they needed to like 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:33.280 get it this way. But it was like specifically they had to control what apps were on that platform and they kind 00:11:33.280 --> 00:11:38.000 of had the opportunity to and the regulatory environment wasn't really paying attention 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:43.760 to antitrust and any of that stuff at all at that point. 00:11:43.760 --> 00:11:48.000 So they just they just did it and now when everyone's like oh that sounds great. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:55.080 I can and it's I can understand the initial app store rollout being like exciting. 00:11:55.080 --> 00:12:00.400 Yeah it was because web apps were not as good as these these like you want actual applications 00:12:00.400 --> 00:12:03.960 to run on your little computer. 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:11.200 And I think that the the kind of insulated app store model was copied by by not just Google 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:16.160 I mean like they're you know the BlackBerry ecosystem existed at time as well. 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:23.000 There were other. Yeah I'm trying to remember. It really just transformed into completely just Android and iPhone but you'd shook out 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:30.760 that way. Yeah. Yeah and and the Play Store itself you know you can you can sideload apps on Android. 00:12:30.760 --> 00:12:33.920 But you know you see Epic attacking Google as well. 00:12:33.920 --> 00:12:44.240 Yeah and Google lost that last year. I think that the closed you know insular app store model is opening up and becoming less 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:47.560 and less sensible as phones become more and more capable. 00:12:47.560 --> 00:12:50.560 Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah absolutely. 00:12:50.560 --> 00:12:54.040 So now people are just like okay this used to be a phone. Now it's just another computer. 00:12:54.040 --> 00:12:57.040 Yeah. This is a big computer. That's exactly what's happening. 00:12:57.040 --> 00:13:00.040 Right. It's the recognition of that precisely. 00:13:00.040 --> 00:13:04.960 And I think that you have people like Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney who comes in here and 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:10.360 is like hey it's obviously a computer it was always a computer I don't know why anyone 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:15.080 didn't treat it like a computer and it's like ridiculous that you can't like treat it just 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:19.920 like your desktop PC and sideload whatever you want and modify it and do whatever you 00:13:19.920 --> 00:13:23.480 want. And so he's been attacking both Apple and Google. 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:30.680 Yeah. And it's been fascinating to see I did a tech longer on the Apple on the Apple versus Epic. 00:13:30.680 --> 00:13:33.680 Yeah. Which Epic. Lost. 00:13:33.680 --> 00:13:36.720 Sort of. Yeah. Well if we want to get into that. 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:41.120 But they won against Google and we can talk about that after but that to me is fascinating 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:46.120 that they just won against Google and Google now is in a position of having to like change 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.640 stuff. It was a different trial. I think Google was more blatant. 00:13:50.640 --> 00:13:56.520 The judge the judge was also not as deferential to Google the judge and it was a jury trial 00:13:56.520 --> 00:14:00.160 and the judge literally said to the jury because there was evidence coming out that Google 00:14:00.160 --> 00:14:06.040 had like deleted messages and emails and like tried to hide things behind privilege. 00:14:06.040 --> 00:14:12.040 So the judge large of the jury like just assume any documentation we don't have makes Google 00:14:12.040 --> 00:14:15.040 look bad. He told the jury that. Yeah. 00:14:15.040 --> 00:14:18.040 Exactly. So they definitely. Fair enough. 00:14:18.040 --> 00:14:21.040 You know. They definitely lost. If you deleted it. 00:14:21.040 --> 00:14:24.040 Why did you delete it? Yeah. Yeah. 00:14:24.040 --> 00:14:27.040 Yeah. Yeah. What was the reason. 00:14:28.040 --> 00:14:35.000 Yeah. With the Apple versus Epic lawsuit the one thing there was the the judge ordered that 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:41.000 Apple is permanently restrained from prohibiting developers from including in their apps buttons 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.520 and external links to say hey you can buy this on our website. 00:14:44.520 --> 00:14:48.040 Right. This is the practice known as steering. Yeah. 00:14:48.040 --> 00:14:54.680 And so it was said that Apple has anti-steering mechanisms that they have now been well in 00:14:54.680 --> 00:15:02.360 various they're forced to open it up. They were forced to open up and then they most Apple way the most malicious compliance 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:08.000 way. So they're like okay well you know yours you would be paying us 30 percent if you you 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:15.000 know used our payment system. So it's a 27 percent commission if you use these external links and that's if the purchase 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.920 is made within seven days. Yeah. Of the of the thing. 00:15:18.920 --> 00:15:22.680 So there's malicious compliance there and the judge is happy. 00:15:22.680 --> 00:15:28.320 I would love to do a whole breakdown. I know I'm sorry but like it happened a while ago and we did a breakdown on Tech LinkedIn 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.320 I'm sure. Okay. On Mac addresses. 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:34.960 Anyway there is an update to that but the TLDR is that. Well Epic complained. 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:40.920 Yeah. And they just had some hearings in May. I actually tuned in to a couple of them because I was really curious about it and the judge 00:15:40.920 --> 00:15:44.840 is not happy and the judge was literally like okay. So I did. 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:49.320 I did. I did. She's like how did you come up with the 27 percent commission rates. 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:52.680 They're like well the pricing commission does that. She's like do you have any documentation for that. 00:15:52.680 --> 00:15:58.040 I think so and she's like please submit the documentation and Apple's like here you go 00:15:58.040 --> 00:16:05.160 and she's like no I need more and it's escalated that she now she referred the case to another 00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:09.000 judge just to deal with the documentation discovery again. 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:16.280 I love I love this whole like tech giants being brought in to lawsuits like for antitrust 00:16:16.280 --> 00:16:21.520 thing and like people in government and in positions of power being like hold on wait 00:16:21.560 --> 00:16:25.520 so you're doing because they're not paying attention. Yeah. 00:16:25.520 --> 00:16:28.800 This is like a lot of like non very not very technically savvy people. 00:16:28.800 --> 00:16:35.040 Yeah. They're getting better. They're bringing in experts to tell them about the stuff but like they're having these reactions 00:16:35.040 --> 00:16:39.240 where they're like hold on a second. You don't let anyone do this. 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:42.240 Yeah. It seems like they should do it. They should be able to do it. 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:46.520 They're like whoa. Or like how did you come up with this number. They're like we don't know. 00:16:46.520 --> 00:16:51.640 It's like oh okay. And like look she's also asking like how many developers are like adopting it and they're 00:16:51.640 --> 00:16:54.640 like 50. That's a huge amount. Yeah. 00:16:54.640 --> 00:16:57.920 How much profit are you making from your app store and from your services overall. 00:16:57.920 --> 00:17:03.240 Well we don't even know if it's profitable. We think it might be but yeah. 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:06.360 I don't know. A lot of suggestions. 00:17:06.360 --> 00:17:10.040 That's what that's how we were literally dealing with it. So anyway it's really interesting. 00:17:10.040 --> 00:17:15.520 We'll see how that goes but the it's clear that at least it's getting chipped away. 00:17:15.520 --> 00:17:19.080 So this is this is all to do with with American legislation. 00:17:19.080 --> 00:17:22.080 I know. Yeah. Well yeah. 00:17:22.080 --> 00:17:26.360 In the EU they just got charged for because they they open they the EU said you have to 00:17:26.360 --> 00:17:31.480 do you have to let you know you have to allow developers to steer people to their websites 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:36.080 with with buttons in the app. And you know you got to let other app stores in. 00:17:36.080 --> 00:17:40.800 Right. That's the whole thing. But just recently the the charges that they laid. 00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:43.800 Yeah. The steering ones. This week. 00:17:43.800 --> 00:17:51.040 Yeah. Okay. You let developers have buttons in your in their apps but they're not allowed to say 00:17:51.040 --> 00:17:54.560 anything about. Or on the scare screen. Yeah. 00:17:54.560 --> 00:17:57.920 Yeah. They're like the developers basically saying I made this joke in tech like the developers 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:02.360 are basically just saying like here's a button to our website. 00:18:02.360 --> 00:18:08.200 And the users are like I think I saw a great job there's a good job putting a button there 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:12.720 but like the developers can't say we have a sale on things. 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:18.440 You can get a cheaper rate on our website. They just have they're only allowed to say here's a button goes on one example. 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:23.600 I think I was probably a man where the the example like Apple showed is like it's just 00:18:23.600 --> 00:18:27.200 a link to their home page but it's on the top of the app and it's not even like they're 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:32.560 not even allowed to put it in a button looking button right to look like a just w dot com 00:18:32.560 --> 00:18:35.720 and then like a little like this is a link out icon. 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:39.600 Yeah. It's it's very it's it's bare bones. 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:46.960 So the EU the EU is an interesting case because everyone the everyone I've been hearing people 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:52.520 say like oh you know the DMA is not very well written and like you know how are they going 00:18:52.520 --> 00:18:56.760 to enforce this and it seems like the way the EU is doing it is they're like this is 00:18:56.760 --> 00:19:00.640 what we want you to do and we're going to see how you do that and if we don't like it 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:06.600 you're going to let you know and so it's there's like a bit of vagary there but then man it's 00:19:06.600 --> 00:19:12.160 so convoluted. Yeah. There's lots of things we can say about how the EU is approaching the regulation I mean 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:18.080 like it kind of it gets into sort of political ideas about whether you think that these tech 00:19:18.080 --> 00:19:24.120 giants should be regulated and all that stuff but I will say about the EU that generally 00:19:24.120 --> 00:19:28.560 when we record report on this stuff on tech link to be like cheer that the EU is forcing 00:19:28.560 --> 00:19:33.440 a tech giant to do something that they don't want to do right because the reason why they're 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:38.040 not doing it they don't want to do it is because they're doing it and here maximize the profits 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:42.240 and all that stuff they don't care about the user experience until users complain like 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:49.680 you know to such a degree but it's one thing that came out recently about the EU they're 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:55.080 also planning this chat control I mean they're not planning they have proposed members of 00:19:55.080 --> 00:20:02.120 the European Union government have proposed this legislation to get back to her for yeah 00:20:02.120 --> 00:20:07.080 that basically you know they're saying that we want to scan all messages whether they're 00:20:07.120 --> 00:20:17.040 encrypted or not for you know legal images you know I think generally most people seem 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:23.720 to be against that in the tech sphere and the even more heinous part is that they had 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:30.160 baked in a exception for government officials and for law enforcement and stuff their phones 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:36.200 don't have to be scanned yeah like oh I mean in that case if we want to talk about that in 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:40.720 that case there's a difference between say but it was I should say the proposals were 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:45.640 rejected so so that is not like yeah moving forward at this point yeah they're probably 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:48.720 gonna bring it back at some point good well there's a difference between something like 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:55.480 that and sit and then this DMA where we're in like what the government was with the with the EU 00:20:55.480 --> 00:21:02.200 was proposing with the with the chat messaging is like access to personal personal messages 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:08.040 and you could put a you could put you could say like well a message I send to you and you send 00:21:08.040 --> 00:21:13.000 to me individually like that doesn't really have that much spreadability it's like the 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.600 issues when you can like send mass messages out that's like the most concerning right so 00:21:16.600 --> 00:21:20.120 it's like what's the level of like what we're dealing with and then in the case of something 00:21:20.120 --> 00:21:24.640 like the DMA we're dealing with a company that has that is like spreading its power over over 00:21:24.640 --> 00:21:29.120 millions of people right right then maybe we should deal with that like it's like kind of 00:21:29.120 --> 00:21:34.840 this importance of like impact yeah and so well and Apple doesn't have that much impact as much 00:21:34.840 --> 00:21:41.320 impact in the UA in the EU as they do in the US true the interesting thing about all this 00:21:41.320 --> 00:21:48.400 EU regulation stuff is hearing Europeans say that like the way those are like I'm as I message 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:53.600 doesn't allow parity of features between iPhone users and Android users oh my gosh regulate 00:21:53.600 --> 00:21:58.960 them like put them in jail and the EU users are like but they you wouldn't use it they all use 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:05.480 WhatsApp even the iPhone users in the DMA isn't just targeting Apple like it's not it's not the 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:11.440 gatekeeper as well I think when the rhetoric is all like anti-Apple kind of like who cares if 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:19.640 you're a gatekeeper you're you're locking the gates do it again and look at the camera if you're a 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:26.680 gatekeeper you're locking the gate we're gonna get you and so we don't think you deserve the key 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:34.280 it's too much eye contact with this undemocratic for them to have the keys I agree but do you 00:22:34.280 --> 00:22:38.960 mr. Apple guy you seem to be a little bit a little bit too I'm gonna say this a little bit too 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:44.000 reasonable let me tell you something let me tell you a little bit more and hinge I think I've just 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:50.560 been using this iPad is that the new one yeah as my sole computer I haven't seen it for so thin 00:22:50.560 --> 00:23:00.760 the past couple of weeks and I calm down it's so annoying and I just think about like how the 00:23:00.760 --> 00:23:08.200 App Store model is this the official Apple thing yeah wow we're getting it this is the new M4 iPad 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:13.560 with the OLED screen I love how stiff that is it's a very well made but that keyboard's a 00:23:13.560 --> 00:23:17.800 dangerous thing because you expect it to work like a PC watch it for the pencil you can Apple's 00:23:17.800 --> 00:23:23.360 really gone downhill no no no look at this that's good because it least didn't fall off the fit and 00:23:23.360 --> 00:23:31.720 finish missing I miss reviewing I miss reviewing iPads do you I should I should every time I think 00:23:31.720 --> 00:23:40.280 about like if I can if I can review another iPad I'm like no I don't there's just no time oh I see 00:23:40.280 --> 00:23:47.160 GameLinked is my child now iPads used to be anyways go ahead you've been using this device would 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:55.040 probably be way more capable and way better without the App Store exclusivity model it is insane to 00:23:55.040 --> 00:24:01.840 me that they still haven't like opened up iPad OS well they are but even just the distribution of 00:24:01.840 --> 00:24:08.560 the I mean the way they've you know they've locked down the operating system but even just the 00:24:08.560 --> 00:24:14.880 distribution I feel like would allow for just more business you know more opportunities for you 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:19.560 know app developers to figure out what apps to make and how to monetize them because like for 00:24:19.560 --> 00:24:24.400 instance a big a nuisance with the App Store is like developers can't even do free trials it's 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:28.840 like not allowed which is like a thing that was is like an age old thing in software distribution 00:24:28.840 --> 00:24:34.880 you know in the 90s and early 2000s on PCs and Macs but no no so they can't even do that and then 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:40.600 on top of all the other rules that they have to abide by and so you think about the even the 00:24:40.600 --> 00:24:45.480 subscription you know the software as a service nightmare we're all living in like I have a I'm 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:51.240 pretty confident that that is also you know contributed to by just the constraint App Store 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.920 model and other course yeah so this could be a way better device without that and even like the 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:03.240 vision pro is this not was this not my argument when we last talked about iPads I was always made 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.720 this argument wasn't I don't want to talk about his touch screens wasn't I don't think that it 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:12.960 should just be a computer and you're like no it's just a special special iPad it's a special child 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:19.080 that needs to be protected no that argument was whether a touchscreen should be on a Mac 00:25:19.840 --> 00:25:27.520 and I said no and whether macOS should be on an iPad I'm still gonna probably say no to though 00:25:27.520 --> 00:25:33.240 this keyboard because though this keyboard thing is really confusing but because an iPad is a touch 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:40.840 device but like what would if if app distribution wasn't so constrained by Apple's power that they 00:25:40.840 --> 00:25:46.040 would hold over the platform like what are we missing out on in terms of like apps and possibilities 00:25:46.360 --> 00:25:49.480 and then I think about the same thing with the vision pro it's basically under the same sort of 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:54.520 regime like what what's gonna well who's gonna make it who wants to make an app for that device 00:25:54.520 --> 00:25:58.680 let's talk about yeah let's talk about the vision pro for a second we're flying through topics 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:04.760 wow yeah I haven't even tried it yet you have it no I just I'm too I'm so busy now I'll bring it 00:26:04.760 --> 00:26:09.080 over I'm so sorry yeah please you only need like half an hour I never I never tried it because 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:17.160 you had a motorcycle accident so I blame I blame you yeah I I did have it actually yeah 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.560 but then you picked somebody picked it up oh okay so somebody picked it up and was brought back to 00:26:21.560 --> 00:26:26.280 the office because Linus did a video yeah they did yeah yeah but I still never got to try it but 00:26:26.280 --> 00:26:31.000 regardless on my desk so I'll bring it over it seemed like the vision pro launched at a really 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:40.040 weird time because too early there was like you know three of the of the biggest tech buzzwords 00:26:40.040 --> 00:26:49.800 in the past few years have been crypto metaverse and AI and they've kind of like waxed and waned 00:26:49.800 --> 00:26:56.920 as the others have like uh you know they always done that come into influencer or and and went away 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:06.440 and I feel like the vision pro launched right as uh metaverse VR hype was like at its lowest and 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:10.520 the only reason that people started talking about it a little bit more like again this year 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:15.800 was because of the vision pro yeah so it was like it was so it was so strange I mean like 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:20.120 meta has you know put out the the quest and the quest two and the quest three 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:26.520 and so like that's but that always always kind of just spoke to the the the niche that's into it 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:31.480 whereas the vision pro kind of like broke out it had a chance to break out into the wider 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:35.960 apple audience and get them into VR now because they were just like I feel like a lot of apple 00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:42.520 people saw the quest headsets or whatever and they were just kind of like okay whatever lol and then 00:27:42.520 --> 00:27:46.200 the vision pro came out they're like now this is a VR headset this is how it's supposed to be 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:52.840 but then it fell flat in his face and everyone thinks it's a joke now $3,500 are you joking 00:27:53.080 --> 00:28:00.840 well I mean I think even when it was announced we were all like okay okay like but I I mean when I 00:28:00.840 --> 00:28:05.320 was trying to figure out what the vision pro was going to be before it was announced turned out 00:28:05.320 --> 00:28:10.040 there was this there's this idea of like spatial computing and not having everything confined to 00:28:10.040 --> 00:28:14.760 a screen which actually seems pretty great I've always loved the idea yeah and so when apple 00:28:14.760 --> 00:28:20.120 focused on that I said well that's kind of what we figured out sounds like a great idea now in execution 00:28:20.120 --> 00:28:28.120 uh it's there's nothing to do because it's iPad apps or vision props which are basically iPad apps 00:28:28.120 --> 00:28:35.080 just with cool floating things yeah and then um and then like a Mac screen extension and actually 00:28:35.080 --> 00:28:40.440 the the despite how amazing the screen is it's still not like retina quality for like a Mac screen 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.400 so you're still gonna have like fuzzy text and that's why the Windows for vision apps are so big 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:49.560 and then the field of view is really narrow and so like you literally can look at like one 00:28:50.120 --> 00:28:55.640 you can look at like one big window in your field of view at a time and so you're kind of it's 00:28:56.360 --> 00:29:01.320 not really what you would hope it to be like it's the the Windows are too big you can't so you 00:29:01.320 --> 00:29:08.120 like when I like tried this thing when I was reviewing it where like I was like okay I'm gonna have my Mac screen and I'll have like teams here and my Twitter window and I'll have another 00:29:08.120 --> 00:29:12.600 app yeah and it's like all of a sudden the Windows are so big they're like literally like all around 00:29:12.600 --> 00:29:19.720 you like this is five Windows what do you think that apple would need to do like they're it uh we 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.720 know that they have well we don't know this but the latest leaks uh from mark gurman are that they 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:32.440 are kind of like they're gonna lower in model yeah put a narrower field of view right but 00:29:34.120 --> 00:29:37.800 you know you gotta it's gotta be a downgrade in some ways if it's gonna be cheaper 00:29:37.800 --> 00:29:41.720 like do you think that this is do you think that they should have doubled down and gone with 00:29:42.520 --> 00:29:49.320 you know what we're just gonna keep the hardcore users who are still into it and like just make 00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:54.120 it better it's just hard it's hard to make a headset like because the same thing the same 00:29:54.120 --> 00:30:01.000 thing might just happen I feel like I feel like VR was a success among tech enthusiasts 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:08.600 in so far as it like appealed to non-apple tinkerer type people yeah and I know there are a lot of 00:30:08.600 --> 00:30:14.600 apple centric tinkerer type people but and they were probably playing with those other headsets 00:30:14.600 --> 00:30:23.320 but I think that like the apple demographic is someone is is someone who expects there to be 00:30:23.320 --> 00:30:27.480 a lot of polish fit and finish there is polish it's polish oh it's very polished it's very 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:32.040 polished but at the end of the day like you said in your video what are you supposed to use this for 00:30:32.040 --> 00:30:39.480 like what is this thing for and no one really knows um so I mean couple that with the fact that 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:43.720 like there's some basic functionality that was missing like a netflix app and a youtube app 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:48.040 when they're not when they make in any app still probably because the app distribution is there 00:30:48.040 --> 00:30:54.360 still no official youtube app no no in fact a vision os 2 the update is now that like if you 00:30:54.360 --> 00:30:58.680 have a if you play have a video playback it can become its own window and do the thing right 00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.200 there's there's a website there's third party youtube apps and there's third party yeah of 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:07.160 course but uh you know so there's no first pretty one I mean the first party youtube apps are 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:15.640 not very fun on ipad with a mouse yeah so um I just don't see what the incentive is right now 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.880 this is a nascent product in a nascent field that's kind of very niche and apple's trying to 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.720 treat it like the iphone in terms of app distribution this is the interesting thing about 00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:31.000 this whole app distribution story is like apple's control of app distribution on the what they were 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:37.960 able to do that on the iphone because everybody wanted a phone everyone needs a phone everyone needs a phone it was a miniaturization of the computer it was like really handy it was the 00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:42.520 future uh and it was really clear how that was going to be really cool and like the expectations 00:31:42.520 --> 00:31:47.080 were in that high either because phone apps before that were like the closest type of apps you had 00:31:47.080 --> 00:31:51.880 before that was like Windows ce and palm apps like if you could find those that was great and or 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:59.000 maybe blackberry right and so like it was it grew from something small yeah with the vision pro like 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.840 it's kind of already has to be baked for it to work because it's a kind of a big thing 00:32:03.560 --> 00:32:10.120 if you think about it spatially um and to do that requires a lot of effort and apple wants to take 00:32:10.120 --> 00:32:19.160 30 of that i don't yeah i think that i i can i can only see so like this might be good for apple 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:27.000 these these these anti-steering provisions might be good for their platforms what do you mean like 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:32.520 if they if apple can't now is like or if the dm the dma means that apple like the way the app store 00:32:32.520 --> 00:32:37.640 works uh and app distribution works on the iphone doesn't work anymore in ipad though i 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.040 guess it's not a gatekeeper with vision os so they could still do that but anyway it's they can do 00:32:42.040 --> 00:32:47.480 whatever they want and yeah within that metaverse well what do they call it they had vision verse 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:53.400 now i don't understand i i i remember there was a leak where it the uh there was there was some leak 00:32:53.400 --> 00:33:00.600 about what apple wanted to call their virtual reality instead of metaverse they had something else 00:33:00.600 --> 00:33:05.640 like a apple something maybe it's apple reality maybe that's already public and i just like 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:11.880 have um out of the loop there but anyways um yeah the vision pro i mean we'll see what happens 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:19.400 i feel like we don't have very much more time i want to talk about briefly let's just like rapid 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:29.240 lightning around through w w c dc stuff and apple intelligence okay biggest things do you remember 00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:35.080 off the top you had biggest things from w w dc because everyone was like this was the best w 00:33:35.080 --> 00:33:40.440 d i it's so annoying to say i don't repeat it dub dub just say that dub dub this was the biggest 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:47.640 dub dub of any dub ever i didn't feel like that um so you should fight with people on that i hit 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.600 that i agree with everyone likes is iphone mirroring that'll be really cool though funny enough apple 00:33:52.600 --> 00:33:56.760 saying that we can't add iphone mirroring for eu customers because we don't know if it's gonna 00:33:56.760 --> 00:34:01.880 violate my gosh yeah and apple intelligence and apple intelligence the other thing um we have 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:08.360 security concerns yeah so i might not be safe we're trying to keep you guys very rhetorical 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:13.960 we'll see uh if that persists once they've kind of actually got the future for other languages but 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:20.520 um i miss the app icon customization thing have you seen that you missed it no no it's a it's a 00:34:20.520 --> 00:34:27.400 miss oh it's a you don't like it oh oh you're saying miss me with that i app icon dark mode it's 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:34.120 like dark mode icons and you can then customize the color palette for them and oh man yeah i i mean 00:34:34.120 --> 00:34:39.000 i don't know like the way icons have looked since iOS 7 i think that most people even where i think 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:45.240 that most people thought those like custom icons just like with a blank uh with like a color applied 00:34:45.240 --> 00:34:49.480 to all of them looks kind of ugly like Android has had that for a while and i don't know if anyone 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.560 uses it it just makes it things harder to find i don't know yeah absolutely yeah i don't know why 00:34:53.560 --> 00:34:59.400 you have a problem but you can do it and i feel like that along with things like the window 00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:05.960 snapping into quadrants tiles on macOS people love that there's a bunch of things that they 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:11.880 announced at w w dc that just were like hey people have been asking this for a long time here you go 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.480 features of Windows and Android for a long time and you know we're just gonna throw them in now 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:23.080 like what happened something happened at their brains broke in the past year you think so well 00:35:23.080 --> 00:35:27.000 that like what this is so there's so many things where they've been like holding it i think that 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:32.680 like now is the time i think that maybe being forced into changing their core identity in so 00:35:32.680 --> 00:35:37.400 many ways with with something you want us to be Android and Windows here you go yeah honestly 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:41.800 they're kind of like they're probably having a crisis of identity they're like that's we were the 00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:47.000 company that didn't let anyone do anything and now they're making us let people do things 00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:52.920 we're fine just let them do everything but they're gonna whine about it a lot they're gonna do it 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.680 but they're gonna whine about it they'll only whining about i mean they're ready they're they've 00:35:56.680 --> 00:36:00.920 been whining the whole time uh yeah i don't know i don't know if they're necessarily whining i mean 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.760 if you want to say that the app icons look ugly that's them whining it's like they're intentionally 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:09.320 making like it's only dark mode for instance you can customize it i think yeah and then like okay 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:13.160 i just think it looks ugly no matter what you do if you have all of it not ugly 00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:18.520 per se it could look beautiful but it's like what's the point of it looking kind of nice if you 00:36:18.520 --> 00:36:22.360 can't find anything customizing their app icons with shortcuts a few years ago that was a bit of a 00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:27.240 trend and like you could do custom icons already and they looked you could choose ones that looked 00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:32.760 better yeah and that were designed by you know designers and yeah it's so well i don't that's 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.840 a that's a miss by moving being able to move the icons anywhere in the the screen is great uh 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:44.680 what else calculator on ipad oh yeah finally that's cool it actually looks really cool yeah i'm 00:36:44.680 --> 00:36:48.360 curious how the notation thing would work that'd be great in school back in the day this is something 00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:54.920 where i'm like i can't it's so dumb that apple hasn't had a calculator app on the ipad this whole 00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:02.520 time but at the same time i i have a simultaneous feeling where i'm like fair enough because you 00:37:02.600 --> 00:37:06.680 clearly were taking your time and you only wanted to put the calculator app on the ipad 00:37:07.240 --> 00:37:13.480 like it i feel like at some point this was a okay fine here you go w w dc it was it really was but 00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:18.360 they find they're like fine we'll put the calculator on the ipad but we'll make it the coolest 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:22.280 calculator yeah it was a cool yeah you can draw everyone would have flipped out just for a regular 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:27.800 calculator to be quite honest um i don't you mean i don't necessarily rehash too much about wc but it 00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:35.400 isn't my kind of take on i've been a bit of an ai uh what's the word what's how's the negative 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:41.080 cynic yeah yeah you know my friend would always tell me about chat gpt look at this thing it does 00:37:41.080 --> 00:37:47.560 and like writing stories for like uh another you know my another friend's kid like who's a toddler 00:37:47.560 --> 00:37:53.960 and like oh wow you did that i feel like i've just always been like why yeah and then now we have 00:37:54.520 --> 00:37:59.240 whole thing where like you know apple intelligence will summarize emails and then you can get it to 00:37:59.240 --> 00:38:04.440 rewrite your own emails or like yeah and it's like what are we what are we doing basically 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:10.360 grammarly but i know when i was insecure about writing i thought grammarly would look was gonna 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:14.920 be great and then yes i never never tried out i don't think we're not the target audience because 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:18.520 we we are writers and i feel like i know but i there was a time where i was very insecure about 00:38:18.520 --> 00:38:24.120 writing and i just got better at it and now i can't i couldn't imagine i still hate writing 00:38:24.120 --> 00:38:28.040 actually that's the worst part of the job the solution for people is not to use is to keep 00:38:28.040 --> 00:38:33.560 writing just keep writing just get good skill issue honestly well how can you get good at writing 00:38:33.560 --> 00:38:39.480 if you don't write well right grammarly could help you or or these this is not sponsored by 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:45.320 grammarly but apple intelligence any of these ai powered summary tools the idea is that they 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:50.920 like people don't know the rules and so they'll write stuff and then that will tell them and 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:55.400 maybe they don't need it forever but for a while it'll help them kind of like get used to like oh 00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:59.960 or it's just a crutch and they kind of offload their brain processing to that and they never 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:04.200 actually learn what the rules are because they know that grammarly is gonna or whatever is going 00:39:04.200 --> 00:39:10.760 to fix it apple the apple apple yeah the the the private cloud compute the sound is happening 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:17.240 i hope i hope it makes siri better but it's only available on like the iphone 15 pro and then 00:39:17.240 --> 00:39:23.720 m series devices and so to go back to your point about like being a cynic yeah i feel like i have 00:39:24.600 --> 00:39:29.480 i feel like there i have more arguments for this i flip flop you flip flop because i am 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:35.640 i think that's so exhausting i think that when you look at ai tools primarily through like a 00:39:35.640 --> 00:39:41.400 functional lens of like what can it do right now yeah yeah you're you're gonna be a cynic because 00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:49.160 you're gonna be like i'm a writer i have tried to use chat gbt for various things yeah uh since it 00:39:49.160 --> 00:39:56.280 came out december 2022 i've been playing with ai stuff the whole time yeah and i have yet to find 00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:02.760 you know a way to actually incorporate it into my workflow at least the way that like i work because 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:10.040 we we just it just it wouldn't it's not useful to me in what i do yeah uh i've i've heard from 00:40:10.040 --> 00:40:16.920 lots of people who find it very useful in in what they do but i think primarily not like writers 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:22.440 who's who where it's important to them that they are actually putting their own thoughts on to 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:28.760 pay yeah the people who i've seen it'd be useful for and be functionally you know valuable is to 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:35.000 non-writers who have to do writing tasks but they don't care about them and they don't really 00:40:35.560 --> 00:40:41.000 care about the like the nuances of the output and stuff so they just science but i have two 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:48.280 complaints your answer you cannot be just be good just be better that's fair that's fair so one funny 00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:52.760 thing is that same friend who i was talking about he was like describing someone uh i think a client 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:56.520 who was working with that work who would write these he was like this guy writes these very verbose 00:40:56.520 --> 00:41:00.760 emails that i can't suss out and then he's then he today the other day is like i think he was using 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.960 chat he was using chat gpt it's funny it's like you can you can identify it now you can like look 00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:10.360 at something and you're like that's just like offloading so if you if you're using chat gpt to 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.720 write this verbose email to someone now you're offloading work to someone to like interpret what 00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:20.280 you mean yeah from this like huge expansion when i will say you could just email the prompt and i 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:26.120 feel like because we don't have uh anthropics models available in canada i don't know if you 00:41:26.120 --> 00:41:31.160 can get them with a vpn for some reason i haven't tried that was anthropics so anthropic is was made 00:41:31.160 --> 00:41:36.040 by people who left open ai they thought that open ai wasn't being serious enough about the safety 00:41:36.040 --> 00:41:44.120 issue yeah so they went and made their own models claud the claud family and uh in in the past six 00:41:44.120 --> 00:41:53.720 months or so claud's uh recent releases have kept up with gpt four so they're they most recently 00:41:53.720 --> 00:41:59.160 released claud 3.5 sonnet which apparently you know all the benchmarks are broken they don't 00:41:59.160 --> 00:42:03.160 actually really work but like according to claud's the anthropics own benchmarks they're like 00:42:03.160 --> 00:42:10.520 it's on par with gpt four and i feel like you might change your mind about i'm coming off as like a 00:42:10.520 --> 00:42:15.720 as a apologist right out ai apologist but i'm not as i said earlier um that's fine i'm flip-flopping 00:42:15.720 --> 00:42:21.240 but i feel like the the the consensus is that claud's answers are i'll feel a lot more human 00:42:21.240 --> 00:42:27.720 and a lot less uh formulaic unless you ask it to like summarize something and list uh you know 00:42:27.720 --> 00:42:33.720 factors it'll just like give you pretty formulaic things but what i wanted i wanted to uh qualify 00:42:33.720 --> 00:42:39.160 my own answer by saying there are times when i'm like okay i can see that the the use case from people 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.240 but most of the time right now yes it's useless i don't use it i don't know anyone personally 00:42:45.240 --> 00:42:51.560 who regularly uses it however the thing that is always interesting to me about ai models 00:42:51.560 --> 00:42:57.480 is the fact that they are based off of uh structurally like a neural network and that just 00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:02.200 gets my mind going with all these questions of philosophy what is consciousness what how does 00:43:02.200 --> 00:43:08.280 our brain how do our minds actually work no uh oh no what it's interesting what do we know 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:15.800 i will say this to bring it back to apple um you're right they they're kind of ai stuff is 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.720 features and they're tools they're really specific so like generative autofill in photoshop is really 00:43:21.720 --> 00:43:25.400 great but like we had the clone tool the clone stamp tool and then we had the like healing 00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:29.320 brush like it's just another step in that case right and then in the case of like we had spell 00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:34.200 check and grammar check in the nineties i guess what apple is introducing with apple intelligence is 00:43:34.200 --> 00:43:40.680 like spell check but like we can do the whole thing for you right so and then apple has their image 00:43:40.680 --> 00:43:46.760 generator which oh they look terrible uh well and like anytime i see generate ai generated 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:54.440 you know works online i'm like oh it's just something off and so like i don't know mid journey 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:59.080 mid journey does below my mind sometimes sometimes but like one in a million but most of it is is 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:04.760 yeah the um so like it feels like in this case apple was like just kind of throwing a bone being 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:09.160 like look we're doing machine learning here and this is and we're gonna call it apple intelligence 00:44:09.160 --> 00:44:13.320 for you now and like here's the next steps of where we're going and maybe they're like trying to maybe 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.640 they were actually kind of their hand was forced to show what they were working on ahead of time 00:44:17.640 --> 00:44:22.040 absolutely they had to yeah and so and like and they kind of had to like fit it within what everyone 00:44:22.040 --> 00:44:25.560 else is doing which is a little on apple like because they usually go their own to their own 00:44:25.640 --> 00:44:30.600 horn and do their own thing and they do it well years later but that just shows like the power 00:44:30.600 --> 00:44:36.280 the the the the economic power of this whole like but they have all the money i don't know why they 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:41.400 need to care ridiculous wave of well they have it's crazy they still have investors i know i know but 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:48.680 like you could just like yeah they dropped down they were they were this ai wave in the past two 00:44:48.680 --> 00:44:54.680 years or so yeah has knocked apple out of the top spot they're not they were the most valuable 00:44:54.680 --> 00:45:01.400 company microsoft got up there because of all the investment in in ai and then invidia got up there 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:06.360 and now the three of them are just kind of switching around every once in a while and apple 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:12.600 shot to the top again after they announced this what what's this little bubble popping yeah the 00:45:12.600 --> 00:45:19.320 bubbles yeah i am i am eagerly awaiting exactly we just there was just a recent interesting paper 00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:26.280 about researchers figured out a they they developed a mod they say it's pre it's pre-print 00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:33.720 so who knows but they developed a model that does not need GPU's nearly as much they they 00:45:33.720 --> 00:45:39.320 developed large language models that don't use matrix multiplication which is the thing that 00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:47.800 GPU's do that makes them so good at but what are apples neural engine well that was one of the other 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:53.000 like to bring it back to apple again we're gonna end soon but uh to bring it back to apple again 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:59.160 the thing that was cool about their reveal of apple intelligence was the fact that they're running 00:45:59.160 --> 00:46:04.440 most of this on device yeah they have their own their hardest to do that elan musk made a big 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:08.440 friggin deal about how you're going to be sending all your data to open ai or whatever but the vast 00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:16.360 majority of the cases when you use apple intelligence on an iphone uh or a mac i guess or an ipad is um 00:46:17.160 --> 00:46:20.680 uh is going to be using those local models and they've been gearing up for that i mean i remember 00:46:20.680 --> 00:46:24.840 years i remember just a few years ago there was an update to iOS where they they had they 00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:28.200 already were installing the neural engine on their chips kind of small little yeah on the 00:46:28.200 --> 00:46:33.080 iphone's and so then they did an update to the photos app and they said like we can do the like 00:46:33.080 --> 00:46:38.520 you know object recognition and face recognition on device and i was like that's pretty cool actually 00:46:38.520 --> 00:46:42.200 that they're doing that whereas like google photos like you had to upload everything into their world 00:46:42.200 --> 00:46:46.680 and they would do it for you and so i remember i remembered when that when they announced that 00:46:46.680 --> 00:46:50.760 being like that's pretty cool that we can do that on device so like this is just the next step 00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.200 where they're in a direction they're already going in and it's great they're doing that now 00:46:54.200 --> 00:46:58.760 the thing is they're still if the device can't handle the load they're going to send it to their 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:06.280 servers um so there's a bit of a bit of a risk there um and as you know i guess it's hard because 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:11.080 the loads could get pretty heavy depending on what you're asking for so you to expect a little 00:47:11.080 --> 00:47:16.360 phone ship to do it all uh is a bit big but i don't know it's just like it's i guess the thing 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:22.120 if i i'm really struggling with tech right now because it feels like everyone's shouting about 00:47:22.120 --> 00:47:30.040 technologies and like these like abstract ideas and there's like no really like humanity of like 00:47:30.040 --> 00:47:34.920 what are we doing and what do you need to do and like how can we do that well and it's like 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:39.080 sometimes there's like those simple things which apple historically has been really good at just 00:47:39.080 --> 00:47:43.640 focusing on this is the new device and this is what you can do with it and this is how we made 00:47:43.640 --> 00:47:49.080 it so wonderful to do that well honestly those are the days as much as i missed that as much as 00:47:49.080 --> 00:47:56.920 i've given apple crap in the past for like releasing a feature that is functionally similar to 00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:01.240 what other people have done before but they brand it their their own special way and it's the it's 00:48:01.240 --> 00:48:08.200 the apple version yeah i've given them crap for that but i feel like it was it seeing them 00:48:08.200 --> 00:48:14.680 incorporate ai in the way that they have is actually uh i like how they've done it yeah because 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:22.360 they showed an actual they showed an actual demo of someone using this and you know it's not a live 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.720 demo like they used to do it's probably still a lot of vaporware and they even said after saying that 00:48:27.720 --> 00:48:31.080 oh iOS 18 is going to roll out this fall it's going to be that's where you're going to get the 00:48:31.080 --> 00:48:34.440 apple intelligence and the new iphone's they there was a recent thing we're saying it's not 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:39.640 going to come till 2025 yeah delay delay but regardless the demo that they showed was someone 00:48:39.640 --> 00:48:45.880 asking siri when is my mom's flight coming in yeah and because it had access to all of this 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:52.360 on device data that is encrypted and that only can be accessed by your stuff um it can it can 00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.200 tell you that and i'm sure like google will have some similar feature whatever but the fact remains 00:48:56.200 --> 00:49:01.720 as you said they're sending data to the servers that's the whole thing and i feel like apple has 00:49:01.720 --> 00:49:08.920 the unique ability to take this weird ai stuff that has been scaring people 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:15.960 and exciting people and actually give it to their uh user base in a way that hopefully 00:49:16.680 --> 00:49:23.720 is is smooths things out and keeps things you know relatively private and makes things actually 00:49:23.720 --> 00:49:28.920 useful because apple does have that closed ecosystem of like all of your stuff is with us 00:49:29.640 --> 00:49:34.760 i don't love that apple is like this closed ecosystem and like oh we're not allowing you 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:40.920 to do open things up but i think that we have these twin dragons right now of 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:48.600 privacy of uh of ai just like threatening to take people's jobs and vacuum up all the data on the 00:49:48.600 --> 00:49:55.560 internet and fill the internet with ai generated slop and trick all of our parents on facebook 00:49:55.560 --> 00:50:01.160 and then on the other hand we have the dragon of apple like being like oh we're gonna lock everything 00:50:01.160 --> 00:50:09.080 down you're not allowed to do stuff but i feel like strangely the solution to dragon one might be 00:50:09.080 --> 00:50:15.240 something like apple's approach where it's like you know you can use ai stuff but only in these very 00:50:15.240 --> 00:50:20.920 limited ways that we tell you i wouldn't make the same comparison because i like why couldn't google 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:26.280 do on device like why can Android have an on device because their whole business model is 00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:32.440 hovering up data exactly and apple does that as well but apple's business model apple's business 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:41.560 you don't have a search engine apple's closed ecosystem hmm is their business yes exactly 00:50:41.560 --> 00:50:47.800 exactly okay but then that's true yeah but again with with apple's distribution apple can realize 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:51.960 the dream of the humane pin yeah but with app distribution then on i can like the difference 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:56.840 there is like app distribute like max have open app distribution they wouldn't ever have these problems 00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:00.840 that they wouldn't like apple wouldn't get sued because of the way app distributions on a mac but 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:06.200 there's still a closed ecosystem right so the app distribution in that are kind of separate things 00:51:06.200 --> 00:51:11.480 it's just about like when is the like power tip when is it tip over into being like okay it's a 00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:16.840 little too much now you're controlling way too much yeah like i mean you know i'm not i'm not 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.840 saying we need to give all apple the power whatever obviously i think that the e you 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:27.640 should continue and and china and whoever should continue just yeah ripping them open um but 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:32.840 i just hope that they uh i hope that they've retained the part of their soul 00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:39.960 that allows them to keep your data private encrypted on your device and give your private ai 00:51:40.680 --> 00:51:46.040 access to that without ever having to phone home i i think that that is that's 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:54.200 that is honestly i think that is the future of ai yeah you know i i i agree with you that the 00:51:54.200 --> 00:51:59.640 bubble is probably gonna pop pretty soon i don't know who knows that's the thing we don't know but 00:51:59.640 --> 00:52:03.800 i think it has to pop it has to pop at some point because the exponential you know it's gonna deflate 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:08.280 in this really annoying kind of like it's either we didn't know it's like anyway you know what i mean 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:14.280 it's like it's either gonna pop or we're just gonna go straight straight line into cyberpunk 00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:20.600 dystopia where everything is ai and and we're screwed at that point somebody compared it to 00:52:20.600 --> 00:52:25.800 pollution yep i mean we're definitely polluting the internet yeah there's a lot of manually 00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:32.360 turned out crap yeah you know eight years ago it's crazy all right let's wrap this up um overall 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:37.000 i think that uh it was great to catch up with you again jonathan how is it's good to be back 00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:43.480 and good to catch up with you too i miss and our conversations i do as well yeah i i wish we could 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:49.160 always develop a philosophy and i go what i want to argue with you about ipads again at some point 00:52:49.160 --> 00:52:55.960 so we'll have you back and that's great until then just uh you know keep keep on keep on repping 00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:02.280 keep on repping tim cook and the boys and the girls i'll try and everybody at that one infinite 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:08.280 loop i don't know why i'm trying to end this like a like a adult easy listening radio but 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:14.280 i'm kind of leaning that way do you have we should find a song in apm and that was the white lotus 00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:21.720 the great show good show yeah and this was a good show thanks for watching subscribe to TechLinked 00:53:22.680 --> 00:53:23.720 bye bye