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Wow. You must have some pent-up Apple thoughts in that brain of yours.

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What makes you say that? You haven't had an outlet. You've been stuck inside.

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I've been stuck inside for almost two and a half, three months.

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Physically and spiritually.

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And mentally. Yes. Other ways.

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I got into a motorcycle accident. Jonathan Horst.

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In March, I broke my shoulder, right in the shoulder, had to get surgery.

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That's wild. So a screw drilled into my shoulder.

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Geez. And then I had to recover.

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Did you do a whole breakdown of every single thing wrong with your body in the Mac Address video?

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I summarized it. I did a whole breakdown in a Twitter thread.

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And I kind of summarized it pretty well. We grabbed the skeleton for the Mac Address video and I pointed at the places where...

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You should do a flow plane exclusive.

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Just kind of like a body tour of the new mods.

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It's like a small little... Yeah.

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There's X-ray photos in that video too.

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That's crazy. Yeah. It's small stuff and things are healing.

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It just takes a while. But they cut to cut my shoulder open to fix it.

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Oh my gosh. I had to basically wait for my shoulder to build itself back up.

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My rotation. This rotation is still almost there.

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But now I can do things. So if people want to get all of the grizzly details...

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What's the latest Mac Address video? Thread at the beginning.

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Go to your Twitter thread. And then stay for the rest. Yeah.

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Because you did do some recent Apple videos.

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I just know it's... That was the video.

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I finished... Well I did the WWC video.

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But I finished the latest videos when I started on Before the Accident.

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Which was on the Vision Pro. Yeah. You just put out your vision.

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But there were some new things to kind of update it with which you did.

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I feel like. I watched it.

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I didn't know. There's not really much new.

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Didn't you have the 3D photo viewing thing?

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Yeah. I didn't. But I haven't tried a Vision OS.

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I haven't tried any of the Betas. Because I'm too scared.

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They're Betas. And you're an Alpha.

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That's right. Ride in motorcycles. No one can stop you.

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And you're still going to ride. Yeah. I got a new bike.

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And I just got a service today.

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So we're getting close to back of the road.

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But I have less than a month to do my road test before I have to start the whole process.

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Again, if I don't pass it. So we'll see how things go.

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It'll be an exciting. And the next accident you get into has to be even more intense or otherwise.

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No. No. Please no.

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Well. I'm like mad about how intense the accident injury was considering how careful I am.

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And how not fast I was going. Just like.

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It's like. What? When you care.

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And all the gear I was wearing. Ruin?

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No. Well the helmet's rare. No.

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The helmet was ruined. Obviously. Because you can only use it once.

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But I got the leather suit. I got that fixed.

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You're more badass than I'll ever be.

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Listen. I rode twice. So we're not.

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But still. The idea. I don't think I'll ever get on a motorcycle.

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No. I just don't want to. I don't want to do it.

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Fair. Because. Okay.

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Wait. We may or may not include this part. Sure.

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But do you remember. I feel like a couple weeks before you got in your accident.

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Uh huh. I had a conversation with you.

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Where I specifically said to you.

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You got a motorcycle? Are you crazy? Do you want to get an accident?

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I said that. It was rude of me to say that.

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What? No. But.

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What did I say? I probably said. You were just kind of like.

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You know. Hopefully not. Yolo.

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You know. Like I think you were like. I want to do it.

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Be safe. Well. I brought up some like fake statistic that wasn't actually accurate about how motorcycle

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people get in more accidents. But it's not actually that they get in more accidents.

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That the accidents they get in are more severe.

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I think. Well. Yeah.

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I mean I do think. There's like a common thing where it's like. It's not if.

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But when. But I guess it's the same with cars. So it might be the similar in terms of that.

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And like. Yeah. The risks are higher because like if something goes wrong.

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Like you're flying wherever. Right. Um.

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Or if you hit a car or a car hits you. This was just a single vehicle accident was just me being just being fucked off the bike.

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But. You're flying in the accident. And then you're flying at the hospital and they give you morphine.

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Yeah. Stupid. Yeah.

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No. They give me ketamine for one surgery. Hell yeah.

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And I'm like they're like you're going to have a nice high. And I'm like okay. And then.

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Where do I. And I didn't know where. I didn't know what nice thing to think about.

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And then all of a sudden I was like I wonder where I'm going to go. And then I ended up in the like holes of the palace in dune.

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And I was like oh that's cool. That's awesome. And then I was like telling them as I'm coming to I can hear them talking and like telling

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them like I'm in dune. And then I also.

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They're like I also shouted whatever man.

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No they were very busy yet. And then I shouted no they started they shouted lose it all guy.

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I also shouted what did I do to myself.

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Which is an interesting thing. But we don't include that either.

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But anyway. Yeah. Muadib would never say.

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I mean. I remember saying it and thinking like yeah that's true.

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What a true thought. Okay.

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You know. Let's get to Apple though. It's been a while.

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So much has happened. The most recent thing that has happened which I feel like we should start with for the sake

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of the algorithm is the RCS support.

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Apple just at they announced it at WWDC.

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Barely. Barely. I missed it.

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If they announced so many things. I literally wrote in my notes.

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Where's RCS. And then someone's like oh no it's in the bento box.

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And I was like what they like and then apparently they mentioned it.

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That's the bento box. They show at the end they're like and those that's iOS.

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Oh right. And they show all the features. Yeah.

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The thing comes in. Yeah. So.

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That's so annoying when they have stuff in there that I was like huh what. I think it was also mentioned by the executive in the presentation too.

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But I must have like my attention was for one second not on the video.

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And you missed the one. Yeah. But they really did not want to talk about it.

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It's so hard to keep up with all that stuff.

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But regardless they rolled it out. Yeah. And we're filming this on Thursday June 27th.

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This is going to come out on Monday.

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And they just rolled it out in the past day or two.

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And you know one thing that I people were talking about is the fact that some of the

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headlines say the green bubble nightmare is over.

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But of course the green bubbles are still there. Yeah.

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It's it's it's. I snazzy Labs tweeted some screenshots of him trying you know I haven't tried it myself

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because I'm terrified of betas.

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But it's really funny to look at because it's like you have the green bubbles and then there's

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a read receipt underneath. And like the oh god what are they called now.

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The words the tap backs. There's tap backs with the emojis.

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Yeah. It supports tap backs and reader seats. And so it just does.

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Oh wow. It looks like I was trying to look up what the actual support looks like.

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I believe you. And in the screenshot you can see the tap back working.

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So I imagine it includes that the pictures are going to be high quality.

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Honestly pretty excited. High quality media is the biggest thing that is the biggest exciting thing for me.

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I hate this. I like I'll message stuff to my parents or my parents will message stuff to me.

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My whole family is well one of my brothers is on Android and the rest of my family is

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all iPhone. And. Do you get the bad quality or do they get the bad quality.

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Really. Everybody suffers because of Apple's hubris.

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Not even hubris. What is the quality of the photo.

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Nonsense. It like you can you can you can even tell from the small preview that it's like pixelated

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and I just like it's funny people talk about it and I know that the spec isn't great.

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It looks like the bit rate is like way too low.

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So it's not that it's like for video specifically. It's for videos and photos.

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But now with RCS I mean so it's just in the beta so it's not rolling out to every iPhone

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right now. Yeah. But it will in the fall.

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Yeah. That's great. And so I mean it took so long but we're finally here and it's one of those things like one

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broad thing that I want to talk to you about. Yeah.

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In terms of Apple and and recent changes that they've made is that Apple especially when

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it comes to the iOS and iPad OS ecosystems they're they're kind of being forced and they're

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fighting it every step of the way but they are being forced to become a lot less Apple

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like. Like oh interesting because take RCS support.

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Yeah. This is something that they would never add.

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They ignored Google's yeah very very very public campaigns to get them to add it.

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Yeah. It's been a thousand years and years and now the only reason that they're adding it correct

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me if I'm wrong is because of the EU.

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It's China actually being like it's China fascism light and just China continue China.

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Well I don't know the specifics about the fascism by the way.

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From what I heard it was actually China mandating RCS not the EU.

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Okay. What do you mean China had some sort of thing where they want now all the phone makers to

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support RCS. Was that before or after the EU.

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It was a little bit before because they had announced that they're going to add RCS a

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while back. Well I'll take your word for it but regardless I think that the overall trend in like this

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is happening in China. I think Japan has had some pretty good strong regulation Korea as well regarding the app

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stores at least. Well they're working on well Japan just announced something just recently.

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Yeah. The EU's been working on something. It is.

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Things are getting kicked away at I think the US will get there eventually yeah.

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We'll get there after we start you know finish making stupid laws then we might.

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Oh no. It's going to get. We're not going to get into C11 right now but it.

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It's old. We have C59 now. It is old but I feel like recently I've heard that it might just like die because there's

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going to be a regime change anyways. That's not here.

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Look at this smile on his face. That's not Apple.

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That's not Apple. Listen so how do you feel about this as an Apple person.

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Wow. Do you feel like something is being taken away.

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I know. Okay so. Even though their features being.

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Let me tell you something. Along with Apple one thing I'm interested in is antitrust.

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Yes. And the anti-monopoly movement.

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And so I'm like this is pretty good actually.

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It's pretty good. Interesting to see. It's very interesting to see kind of governments in the regulatory structure kind of wake up

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and be like do we want is this good is this the way we want things to be.

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They're doing it in weird ways and everyone's kind of doing it in a different way and it's

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going to be interesting to see I guess which way prevails.

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But like the thing is Apple's app store probably was always destined to be chipped away at

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because it just got so controlling. And like it was sort of the strange nature of when the iPhone came out.

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There was no app store because they didn't want to have any apps and like I watched actually

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the other day I watched like the presentation where Steve was like this is how apps would

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work. Web apps would work on it. It was like a website with like app buttons that look like it's just like crazy.

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It was just still on a website. And then the next year they added the app store.

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Sometimes I wonder if it was always part of the plan and they just they needed to like

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get it this way. But it was like specifically they had to control what apps were on that platform and they kind

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of had the opportunity to and the regulatory environment wasn't really paying attention

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to antitrust and any of that stuff at all at that point.

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So they just they just did it and now when everyone's like oh that sounds great.

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I can and it's I can understand the initial app store rollout being like exciting.

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Yeah it was because web apps were not as good as these these like you want actual applications

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to run on your little computer.

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And I think that the the kind of insulated app store model was copied by by not just Google

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I mean like they're you know the BlackBerry ecosystem existed at time as well.

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There were other. Yeah I'm trying to remember. It really just transformed into completely just Android and iPhone but you'd shook out

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that way. Yeah. Yeah and and the Play Store itself you know you can you can sideload apps on Android.

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But you know you see Epic attacking Google as well.

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Yeah and Google lost that last year. I think that the closed you know insular app store model is opening up and becoming less

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and less sensible as phones become more and more capable.

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Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah absolutely.

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So now people are just like okay this used to be a phone. Now it's just another computer.

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Yeah. This is a big computer. That's exactly what's happening.

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Right. It's the recognition of that precisely.

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And I think that you have people like Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney who comes in here and

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is like hey it's obviously a computer it was always a computer I don't know why anyone

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didn't treat it like a computer and it's like ridiculous that you can't like treat it just

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like your desktop PC and sideload whatever you want and modify it and do whatever you

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want. And so he's been attacking both Apple and Google.

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Yeah. And it's been fascinating to see I did a tech longer on the Apple on the Apple versus Epic.

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Yeah. Which Epic. Lost.

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Sort of. Yeah. Well if we want to get into that.

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But they won against Google and we can talk about that after but that to me is fascinating

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that they just won against Google and Google now is in a position of having to like change

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stuff. It was a different trial. I think Google was more blatant.

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The judge the judge was also not as deferential to Google the judge and it was a jury trial

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and the judge literally said to the jury because there was evidence coming out that Google

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had like deleted messages and emails and like tried to hide things behind privilege.

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So the judge large of the jury like just assume any documentation we don't have makes Google

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look bad. He told the jury that. Yeah.

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Exactly. So they definitely. Fair enough.

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You know. They definitely lost. If you deleted it.

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Why did you delete it? Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. What was the reason.

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Yeah. With the Apple versus Epic lawsuit the one thing there was the the judge ordered that

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Apple is permanently restrained from prohibiting developers from including in their apps buttons

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and external links to say hey you can buy this on our website.

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Right. This is the practice known as steering. Yeah.

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And so it was said that Apple has anti-steering mechanisms that they have now been well in

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various they're forced to open it up. They were forced to open up and then they most Apple way the most malicious compliance

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way. So they're like okay well you know yours you would be paying us 30 percent if you you

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know used our payment system. So it's a 27 percent commission if you use these external links and that's if the purchase

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is made within seven days. Yeah. Of the of the thing.

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So there's malicious compliance there and the judge is happy.

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I would love to do a whole breakdown. I know I'm sorry but like it happened a while ago and we did a breakdown on Tech LinkedIn

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I'm sure. Okay. On Mac addresses.

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Anyway there is an update to that but the TLDR is that. Well Epic complained.

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Yeah. And they just had some hearings in May. I actually tuned in to a couple of them because I was really curious about it and the judge

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is not happy and the judge was literally like okay. So I did.

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I did. I did. She's like how did you come up with the 27 percent commission rates.

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They're like well the pricing commission does that. She's like do you have any documentation for that.

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I think so and she's like please submit the documentation and Apple's like here you go

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and she's like no I need more and it's escalated that she now she referred the case to another

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judge just to deal with the documentation discovery again.

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I love I love this whole like tech giants being brought in to lawsuits like for antitrust

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thing and like people in government and in positions of power being like hold on wait

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so you're doing because they're not paying attention. Yeah.

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This is like a lot of like non very not very technically savvy people.

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Yeah. They're getting better. They're bringing in experts to tell them about the stuff but like they're having these reactions

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where they're like hold on a second. You don't let anyone do this.

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Yeah. It seems like they should do it. They should be able to do it.

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They're like whoa. Or like how did you come up with this number. They're like we don't know.

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It's like oh okay. And like look she's also asking like how many developers are like adopting it and they're

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like 50. That's a huge amount. Yeah.

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How much profit are you making from your app store and from your services overall.

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Well we don't even know if it's profitable. We think it might be but yeah.

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I don't know. A lot of suggestions.

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That's what that's how we were literally dealing with it. So anyway it's really interesting.

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We'll see how that goes but the it's clear that at least it's getting chipped away.

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So this is this is all to do with with American legislation.

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I know. Yeah. Well yeah.

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In the EU they just got charged for because they they open they the EU said you have to

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do you have to let you know you have to allow developers to steer people to their websites

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with with buttons in the app. And you know you got to let other app stores in.

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Right. That's the whole thing. But just recently the the charges that they laid.

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Yeah. The steering ones. This week.

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Yeah. Okay. You let developers have buttons in your in their apps but they're not allowed to say

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anything about. Or on the scare screen. Yeah.

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Yeah. They're like the developers basically saying I made this joke in tech like the developers

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are basically just saying like here's a button to our website.

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And the users are like I think I saw a great job there's a good job putting a button there

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but like the developers can't say we have a sale on things.

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You can get a cheaper rate on our website. They just have they're only allowed to say here's a button goes on one example.

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I think I was probably a man where the the example like Apple showed is like it's just

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a link to their home page but it's on the top of the app and it's not even like they're

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not even allowed to put it in a button looking button right to look like a just w dot com

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and then like a little like this is a link out icon.

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Yeah. It's it's very it's it's bare bones.

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So the EU the EU is an interesting case because everyone the everyone I've been hearing people

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say like oh you know the DMA is not very well written and like you know how are they going

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to enforce this and it seems like the way the EU is doing it is they're like this is

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what we want you to do and we're going to see how you do that and if we don't like it

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you're going to let you know and so it's there's like a bit of vagary there but then man it's

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so convoluted. Yeah. There's lots of things we can say about how the EU is approaching the regulation I mean

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like it kind of it gets into sort of political ideas about whether you think that these tech

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giants should be regulated and all that stuff but I will say about the EU that generally

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when we record report on this stuff on tech link to be like cheer that the EU is forcing

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a tech giant to do something that they don't want to do right because the reason why they're

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not doing it they don't want to do it is because they're doing it and here maximize the profits

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and all that stuff they don't care about the user experience until users complain like

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you know to such a degree but it's one thing that came out recently about the EU they're

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also planning this chat control I mean they're not planning they have proposed members of

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the European Union government have proposed this legislation to get back to her for yeah

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that basically you know they're saying that we want to scan all messages whether they're

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encrypted or not for you know legal images you know I think generally most people seem

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to be against that in the tech sphere and the even more heinous part is that they had

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baked in a exception for government officials and for law enforcement and stuff their phones

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don't have to be scanned yeah like oh I mean in that case if we want to talk about that in

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that case there's a difference between say but it was I should say the proposals were

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rejected so so that is not like yeah moving forward at this point yeah they're probably

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gonna bring it back at some point good well there's a difference between something like

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that and sit and then this DMA where we're in like what the government was with the with the EU

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was proposing with the with the chat messaging is like access to personal personal messages

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and you could put a you could put you could say like well a message I send to you and you send

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to me individually like that doesn't really have that much spreadability it's like the

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issues when you can like send mass messages out that's like the most concerning right so

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it's like what's the level of like what we're dealing with and then in the case of something

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like the DMA we're dealing with a company that has that is like spreading its power over over

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millions of people right right then maybe we should deal with that like it's like kind of

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this importance of like impact yeah and so well and Apple doesn't have that much impact as much

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impact in the UA in the EU as they do in the US true the interesting thing about all this

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EU regulation stuff is hearing Europeans say that like the way those are like I'm as I message

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doesn't allow parity of features between iPhone users and Android users oh my gosh regulate

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them like put them in jail and the EU users are like but they you wouldn't use it they all use

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WhatsApp even the iPhone users in the DMA isn't just targeting Apple like it's not it's not the

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gatekeeper as well I think when the rhetoric is all like anti-Apple kind of like who cares if

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you're a gatekeeper you're you're locking the gates do it again and look at the camera if you're a

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gatekeeper you're locking the gate we're gonna get you and so we don't think you deserve the key

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it's too much eye contact with this undemocratic for them to have the keys I agree but do you

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mr. Apple guy you seem to be a little bit a little bit too I'm gonna say this a little bit too

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reasonable let me tell you something let me tell you a little bit more and hinge I think I've just

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been using this iPad is that the new one yeah as my sole computer I haven't seen it for so thin

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the past couple of weeks and I calm down it's so annoying and I just think about like how the

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App Store model is this the official Apple thing yeah wow we're getting it this is the new M4 iPad

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with the OLED screen I love how stiff that is it's a very well made but that keyboard's a

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dangerous thing because you expect it to work like a PC watch it for the pencil you can Apple's

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really gone downhill no no no look at this that's good because it least didn't fall off the fit and

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finish missing I miss reviewing I miss reviewing iPads do you I should I should every time I think

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about like if I can if I can review another iPad I'm like no I don't there's just no time oh I see

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GameLinked is my child now iPads used to be anyways go ahead you've been using this device would

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probably be way more capable and way better without the App Store exclusivity model it is insane to

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me that they still haven't like opened up iPad OS well they are but even just the distribution of

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the I mean the way they've you know they've locked down the operating system but even just the

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distribution I feel like would allow for just more business you know more opportunities for you

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know app developers to figure out what apps to make and how to monetize them because like for

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instance a big a nuisance with the App Store is like developers can't even do free trials it's

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like not allowed which is like a thing that was is like an age old thing in software distribution

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you know in the 90s and early 2000s on PCs and Macs but no no so they can't even do that and then

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on top of all the other rules that they have to abide by and so you think about the even the

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subscription you know the software as a service nightmare we're all living in like I have a I'm

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pretty confident that that is also you know contributed to by just the constraint App Store

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model and other course yeah so this could be a way better device without that and even like the

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vision pro is this not was this not my argument when we last talked about iPads I was always made

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this argument wasn't I don't want to talk about his touch screens wasn't I don't think that it

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should just be a computer and you're like no it's just a special special iPad it's a special child

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that needs to be protected no that argument was whether a touchscreen should be on a Mac

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and I said no and whether macOS should be on an iPad I'm still gonna probably say no to though

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this keyboard because though this keyboard thing is really confusing but because an iPad is a touch

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device but like what would if if app distribution wasn't so constrained by Apple's power that they

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would hold over the platform like what are we missing out on in terms of like apps and possibilities

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and then I think about the same thing with the vision pro it's basically under the same sort of

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regime like what what's gonna well who's gonna make it who wants to make an app for that device

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let's talk about yeah let's talk about the vision pro for a second we're flying through topics

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wow yeah I haven't even tried it yet you have it no I just I'm too I'm so busy now I'll bring it

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over I'm so sorry yeah please you only need like half an hour I never I never tried it because

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you had a motorcycle accident so I blame I blame you yeah I I did have it actually yeah

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but then you picked somebody picked it up oh okay so somebody picked it up and was brought back to

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the office because Linus did a video yeah they did yeah yeah but I still never got to try it but

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regardless on my desk so I'll bring it over it seemed like the vision pro launched at a really

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weird time because too early there was like you know three of the of the biggest tech buzzwords

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in the past few years have been crypto metaverse and AI and they've kind of like waxed and waned

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as the others have like uh you know they always done that come into influencer or and and went away

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and I feel like the vision pro launched right as uh metaverse VR hype was like at its lowest and

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the only reason that people started talking about it a little bit more like again this year

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was because of the vision pro yeah so it was like it was so it was so strange I mean like

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meta has you know put out the the quest and the quest two and the quest three

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and so like that's but that always always kind of just spoke to the the the niche that's into it

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whereas the vision pro kind of like broke out it had a chance to break out into the wider

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apple audience and get them into VR now because they were just like I feel like a lot of apple

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people saw the quest headsets or whatever and they were just kind of like okay whatever lol and then

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the vision pro came out they're like now this is a VR headset this is how it's supposed to be

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but then it fell flat in his face and everyone thinks it's a joke now $3,500 are you joking

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well I mean I think even when it was announced we were all like okay okay like but I I mean when I

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was trying to figure out what the vision pro was going to be before it was announced turned out

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there was this there's this idea of like spatial computing and not having everything confined to

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a screen which actually seems pretty great I've always loved the idea yeah and so when apple

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focused on that I said well that's kind of what we figured out sounds like a great idea now in execution

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uh it's there's nothing to do because it's iPad apps or vision props which are basically iPad apps

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just with cool floating things yeah and then um and then like a Mac screen extension and actually

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the the despite how amazing the screen is it's still not like retina quality for like a Mac screen

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so you're still gonna have like fuzzy text and that's why the Windows for vision apps are so big

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and then the field of view is really narrow and so like you literally can look at like one

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you can look at like one big window in your field of view at a time and so you're kind of it's

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not really what you would hope it to be like it's the the Windows are too big you can't so you

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like when I like tried this thing when I was reviewing it where like I was like okay I'm gonna have my Mac screen and I'll have like teams here and my Twitter window and I'll have another

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app yeah and it's like all of a sudden the Windows are so big they're like literally like all around

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you like this is five Windows what do you think that apple would need to do like they're it uh we

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know that they have well we don't know this but the latest leaks uh from mark gurman are that they

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are kind of like they're gonna lower in model yeah put a narrower field of view right but

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you know you gotta it's gotta be a downgrade in some ways if it's gonna be cheaper

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like do you think that this is do you think that they should have doubled down and gone with

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you know what we're just gonna keep the hardcore users who are still into it and like just make

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it better it's just hard it's hard to make a headset like because the same thing the same

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thing might just happen I feel like I feel like VR was a success among tech enthusiasts

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in so far as it like appealed to non-apple tinkerer type people yeah and I know there are a lot of

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apple centric tinkerer type people but and they were probably playing with those other headsets

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but I think that like the apple demographic is someone is is someone who expects there to be

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a lot of polish fit and finish there is polish it's polish oh it's very polished it's very

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polished but at the end of the day like you said in your video what are you supposed to use this for

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like what is this thing for and no one really knows um so I mean couple that with the fact that

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like there's some basic functionality that was missing like a netflix app and a youtube app

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when they're not when they make in any app still probably because the app distribution is there

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still no official youtube app no no in fact a vision os 2 the update is now that like if you

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have a if you play have a video playback it can become its own window and do the thing right

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there's there's a website there's third party youtube apps and there's third party yeah of

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course but uh you know so there's no first pretty one I mean the first party youtube apps are

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not very fun on ipad with a mouse yeah so um I just don't see what the incentive is right now

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this is a nascent product in a nascent field that's kind of very niche and apple's trying to

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treat it like the iphone in terms of app distribution this is the interesting thing about

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this whole app distribution story is like apple's control of app distribution on the what they were

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able to do that on the iphone because everybody wanted a phone everyone needs a phone everyone needs a phone it was a miniaturization of the computer it was like really handy it was the

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future uh and it was really clear how that was going to be really cool and like the expectations

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were in that high either because phone apps before that were like the closest type of apps you had

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before that was like Windows ce and palm apps like if you could find those that was great and or

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maybe blackberry right and so like it was it grew from something small yeah with the vision pro like

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it's kind of already has to be baked for it to work because it's a kind of a big thing

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if you think about it spatially um and to do that requires a lot of effort and apple wants to take

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30 of that i don't yeah i think that i i can i can only see so like this might be good for apple

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these these these anti-steering provisions might be good for their platforms what do you mean like

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if they if apple can't now is like or if the dm the dma means that apple like the way the app store

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works uh and app distribution works on the iphone doesn't work anymore in ipad though i

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guess it's not a gatekeeper with vision os so they could still do that but anyway it's they can do

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whatever they want and yeah within that metaverse well what do they call it they had vision verse

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00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:53,400
now i don't understand i i i remember there was a leak where it the uh there was there was some leak

413
00:32:53,400 --> 00:33:00,600
about what apple wanted to call their virtual reality instead of metaverse they had something else

414
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,640
like a apple something maybe it's apple reality maybe that's already public and i just like

415
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,880
have um out of the loop there but anyways um yeah the vision pro i mean we'll see what happens

416
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:19,400
i feel like we don't have very much more time i want to talk about briefly let's just like rapid

417
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:29,240
lightning around through w w c dc stuff and apple intelligence okay biggest things do you remember

418
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:35,080
off the top you had biggest things from w w dc because everyone was like this was the best w

419
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:40,440
d i it's so annoying to say i don't repeat it dub dub just say that dub dub this was the biggest

420
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:47,640
dub dub of any dub ever i didn't feel like that um so you should fight with people on that i hit

421
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,600
that i agree with everyone likes is iphone mirroring that'll be really cool though funny enough apple

422
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,760
saying that we can't add iphone mirroring for eu customers because we don't know if it's gonna

423
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,880
violate my gosh yeah and apple intelligence and apple intelligence the other thing um we have

424
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:08,360
security concerns yeah so i might not be safe we're trying to keep you guys very rhetorical

425
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,960
we'll see uh if that persists once they've kind of actually got the future for other languages but

426
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:20,520
um i miss the app icon customization thing have you seen that you missed it no no it's a it's a

427
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:27,400
miss oh it's a you don't like it oh oh you're saying miss me with that i app icon dark mode it's

428
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:34,120
like dark mode icons and you can then customize the color palette for them and oh man yeah i i mean

429
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:39,000
i don't know like the way icons have looked since iOS 7 i think that most people even where i think

430
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:45,240
that most people thought those like custom icons just like with a blank uh with like a color applied

431
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:49,480
to all of them looks kind of ugly like Android has had that for a while and i don't know if anyone

432
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,560
uses it it just makes it things harder to find i don't know yeah absolutely yeah i don't know why

433
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:59,400
you have a problem but you can do it and i feel like that along with things like the window

434
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,960
snapping into quadrants tiles on macOS people love that there's a bunch of things that they

435
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:11,880
announced at w w dc that just were like hey people have been asking this for a long time here you go

436
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,480
features of Windows and Android for a long time and you know we're just gonna throw them in now

437
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:23,080
like what happened something happened at their brains broke in the past year you think so well

438
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,000
that like what this is so there's so many things where they've been like holding it i think that

439
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,680
like now is the time i think that maybe being forced into changing their core identity in so

440
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,400
many ways with with something you want us to be Android and Windows here you go yeah honestly

441
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,800
they're kind of like they're probably having a crisis of identity they're like that's we were the

442
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:47,000
company that didn't let anyone do anything and now they're making us let people do things

443
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,920
we're fine just let them do everything but they're gonna whine about it a lot they're gonna do it

444
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,680
but they're gonna whine about it they'll only whining about i mean they're ready they're they've

445
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,920
been whining the whole time uh yeah i don't know i don't know if they're necessarily whining i mean

446
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,760
if you want to say that the app icons look ugly that's them whining it's like they're intentionally

447
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,320
making like it's only dark mode for instance you can customize it i think yeah and then like okay

448
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,160
i just think it looks ugly no matter what you do if you have all of it not ugly

449
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,520
per se it could look beautiful but it's like what's the point of it looking kind of nice if you

450
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,360
can't find anything customizing their app icons with shortcuts a few years ago that was a bit of a

451
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,240
trend and like you could do custom icons already and they looked you could choose ones that looked

452
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:32,760
better yeah and that were designed by you know designers and yeah it's so well i don't that's

453
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,840
a that's a miss by moving being able to move the icons anywhere in the the screen is great uh

454
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:44,680
what else calculator on ipad oh yeah finally that's cool it actually looks really cool yeah i'm

455
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,360
curious how the notation thing would work that'd be great in school back in the day this is something

456
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,920
where i'm like i can't it's so dumb that apple hasn't had a calculator app on the ipad this whole

457
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:02,520
time but at the same time i i have a simultaneous feeling where i'm like fair enough because you

458
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,680
clearly were taking your time and you only wanted to put the calculator app on the ipad

459
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:13,480
like it i feel like at some point this was a okay fine here you go w w dc it was it really was but

460
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,360
they find they're like fine we'll put the calculator on the ipad but we'll make it the coolest

461
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,280
calculator yeah it was a cool yeah you can draw everyone would have flipped out just for a regular

462
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,800
calculator to be quite honest um i don't you mean i don't necessarily rehash too much about wc but it

463
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:35,400
isn't my kind of take on i've been a bit of an ai uh what's the word what's how's the negative

464
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:41,080
cynic yeah yeah you know my friend would always tell me about chat gpt look at this thing it does

465
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:47,560
and like writing stories for like uh another you know my another friend's kid like who's a toddler

466
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,960
and like oh wow you did that i feel like i've just always been like why yeah and then now we have

467
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,240
whole thing where like you know apple intelligence will summarize emails and then you can get it to

468
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:04,440
rewrite your own emails or like yeah and it's like what are we what are we doing basically

469
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:10,360
grammarly but i know when i was insecure about writing i thought grammarly would look was gonna

470
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,920
be great and then yes i never never tried out i don't think we're not the target audience because

471
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,520
we we are writers and i feel like i know but i there was a time where i was very insecure about

472
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:24,120
writing and i just got better at it and now i can't i couldn't imagine i still hate writing

473
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,040
actually that's the worst part of the job the solution for people is not to use is to keep

474
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,560
writing just keep writing just get good skill issue honestly well how can you get good at writing

475
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:39,480
if you don't write well right grammarly could help you or or these this is not sponsored by

476
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,320
grammarly but apple intelligence any of these ai powered summary tools the idea is that they

477
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,920
like people don't know the rules and so they'll write stuff and then that will tell them and

478
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,400
maybe they don't need it forever but for a while it'll help them kind of like get used to like oh

479
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,960
or it's just a crutch and they kind of offload their brain processing to that and they never

480
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:04,200
actually learn what the rules are because they know that grammarly is gonna or whatever is going

481
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:10,760
to fix it apple the apple apple yeah the the the private cloud compute the sound is happening

482
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:17,240
i hope i hope it makes siri better but it's only available on like the iphone 15 pro and then

483
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:23,720
m series devices and so to go back to your point about like being a cynic yeah i feel like i have

484
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,480
i feel like there i have more arguments for this i flip flop you flip flop because i am

485
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,640
i think that's so exhausting i think that when you look at ai tools primarily through like a

486
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,400
functional lens of like what can it do right now yeah yeah you're you're gonna be a cynic because

487
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:49,160
you're gonna be like i'm a writer i have tried to use chat gbt for various things yeah uh since it

488
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:56,280
came out december 2022 i've been playing with ai stuff the whole time yeah and i have yet to find

489
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,760
you know a way to actually incorporate it into my workflow at least the way that like i work because

490
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:10,040
we we just it just it wouldn't it's not useful to me in what i do yeah uh i've i've heard from

491
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,920
lots of people who find it very useful in in what they do but i think primarily not like writers

492
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,440
who's who where it's important to them that they are actually putting their own thoughts on to

493
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:28,760
pay yeah the people who i've seen it'd be useful for and be functionally you know valuable is to

494
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,000
non-writers who have to do writing tasks but they don't care about them and they don't really

495
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:41,000
care about the like the nuances of the output and stuff so they just science but i have two

496
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:48,280
complaints your answer you cannot be just be good just be better that's fair that's fair so one funny

497
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,760
thing is that same friend who i was talking about he was like describing someone uh i think a client

498
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,520
who was working with that work who would write these he was like this guy writes these very verbose

499
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,760
emails that i can't suss out and then he's then he today the other day is like i think he was using

500
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,960
chat he was using chat gpt it's funny it's like you can you can identify it now you can like look

501
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,360
at something and you're like that's just like offloading so if you if you're using chat gpt to

502
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,720
write this verbose email to someone now you're offloading work to someone to like interpret what

503
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:20,280
you mean yeah from this like huge expansion when i will say you could just email the prompt and i

504
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:26,120
feel like because we don't have uh anthropics models available in canada i don't know if you

505
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:31,160
can get them with a vpn for some reason i haven't tried that was anthropics so anthropic is was made

506
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,040
by people who left open ai they thought that open ai wasn't being serious enough about the safety

507
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:44,120
issue yeah so they went and made their own models claud the claud family and uh in in the past six

508
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:53,720
months or so claud's uh recent releases have kept up with gpt four so they're they most recently

509
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:59,160
released claud 3.5 sonnet which apparently you know all the benchmarks are broken they don't

510
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,160
actually really work but like according to claud's the anthropics own benchmarks they're like

511
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:10,520
it's on par with gpt four and i feel like you might change your mind about i'm coming off as like a

512
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,720
as a apologist right out ai apologist but i'm not as i said earlier um that's fine i'm flip-flopping

513
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:21,240
but i feel like the the the consensus is that claud's answers are i'll feel a lot more human

514
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:27,720
and a lot less uh formulaic unless you ask it to like summarize something and list uh you know

515
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:33,720
factors it'll just like give you pretty formulaic things but what i wanted i wanted to uh qualify

516
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:39,160
my own answer by saying there are times when i'm like okay i can see that the the use case from people

517
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,240
but most of the time right now yes it's useless i don't use it i don't know anyone personally

518
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:51,560
who regularly uses it however the thing that is always interesting to me about ai models

519
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:57,480
is the fact that they are based off of uh structurally like a neural network and that just

520
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:02,200
gets my mind going with all these questions of philosophy what is consciousness what how does

521
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:08,280
our brain how do our minds actually work no uh oh no what it's interesting what do we know

522
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:15,800
i will say this to bring it back to apple um you're right they they're kind of ai stuff is

523
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:21,720
features and they're tools they're really specific so like generative autofill in photoshop is really

524
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,400
great but like we had the clone tool the clone stamp tool and then we had the like healing

525
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,320
brush like it's just another step in that case right and then in the case of like we had spell

526
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:34,200
check and grammar check in the nineties i guess what apple is introducing with apple intelligence is

527
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:40,680
like spell check but like we can do the whole thing for you right so and then apple has their image

528
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:46,760
generator which oh they look terrible uh well and like anytime i see generate ai generated

529
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:54,440
you know works online i'm like oh it's just something off and so like i don't know mid journey

530
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,080
mid journey does below my mind sometimes sometimes but like one in a million but most of it is is

531
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,760
yeah the um so like it feels like in this case apple was like just kind of throwing a bone being

532
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,160
like look we're doing machine learning here and this is and we're gonna call it apple intelligence

533
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,320
for you now and like here's the next steps of where we're going and maybe they're like trying to maybe

534
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,640
they were actually kind of their hand was forced to show what they were working on ahead of time

535
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,040
absolutely they had to yeah and so and like and they kind of had to like fit it within what everyone

536
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,560
else is doing which is a little on apple like because they usually go their own to their own

537
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,600
horn and do their own thing and they do it well years later but that just shows like the power

538
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:36,280
the the the the economic power of this whole like but they have all the money i don't know why they

539
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:41,400
need to care ridiculous wave of well they have it's crazy they still have investors i know i know but

540
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:48,680
like you could just like yeah they dropped down they were they were this ai wave in the past two

541
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:54,680
years or so yeah has knocked apple out of the top spot they're not they were the most valuable

542
00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:01,400
company microsoft got up there because of all the investment in in ai and then invidia got up there

543
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,360
and now the three of them are just kind of switching around every once in a while and apple

544
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,600
shot to the top again after they announced this what what's this little bubble popping yeah the

545
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:19,320
bubbles yeah i am i am eagerly awaiting exactly we just there was just a recent interesting paper

546
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:26,280
about researchers figured out a they they developed a mod they say it's pre it's pre-print

547
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:33,720
so who knows but they developed a model that does not need GPU's nearly as much they they

548
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:39,320
developed large language models that don't use matrix multiplication which is the thing that

549
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:47,800
GPU's do that makes them so good at but what are apples neural engine well that was one of the other

550
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,000
like to bring it back to apple again we're gonna end soon but uh to bring it back to apple again

551
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:59,160
the thing that was cool about their reveal of apple intelligence was the fact that they're running

552
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,440
most of this on device yeah they have their own their hardest to do that elan musk made a big

553
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,440
friggin deal about how you're going to be sending all your data to open ai or whatever but the vast

554
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:16,360
majority of the cases when you use apple intelligence on an iphone uh or a mac i guess or an ipad is um

555
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,680
uh is going to be using those local models and they've been gearing up for that i mean i remember

556
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,840
years i remember just a few years ago there was an update to iOS where they they had they

557
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,200
already were installing the neural engine on their chips kind of small little yeah on the

558
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,080
iphone's and so then they did an update to the photos app and they said like we can do the like

559
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:38,520
you know object recognition and face recognition on device and i was like that's pretty cool actually

560
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,200
that they're doing that whereas like google photos like you had to upload everything into their world

561
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,680
and they would do it for you and so i remember i remembered when that when they announced that

562
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,760
being like that's pretty cool that we can do that on device so like this is just the next step

563
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,200
where they're in a direction they're already going in and it's great they're doing that now

564
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,760
the thing is they're still if the device can't handle the load they're going to send it to their

565
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:06,280
servers um so there's a bit of a bit of a risk there um and as you know i guess it's hard because

566
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,080
the loads could get pretty heavy depending on what you're asking for so you to expect a little

567
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:16,360
phone ship to do it all uh is a bit big but i don't know it's just like it's i guess the thing

568
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,120
if i i'm really struggling with tech right now because it feels like everyone's shouting about

569
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:30,040
technologies and like these like abstract ideas and there's like no really like humanity of like

570
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,920
what are we doing and what do you need to do and like how can we do that well and it's like

571
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,080
sometimes there's like those simple things which apple historically has been really good at just

572
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,640
focusing on this is the new device and this is what you can do with it and this is how we made

573
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,080
it so wonderful to do that well honestly those are the days as much as i missed that as much as

574
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:56,920
i've given apple crap in the past for like releasing a feature that is functionally similar to

575
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,240
what other people have done before but they brand it their their own special way and it's the it's

576
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:08,200
the apple version yeah i've given them crap for that but i feel like it was it seeing them

577
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:14,680
incorporate ai in the way that they have is actually uh i like how they've done it yeah because

578
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:22,360
they showed an actual they showed an actual demo of someone using this and you know it's not a live

579
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,720
demo like they used to do it's probably still a lot of vaporware and they even said after saying that

580
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,080
oh iOS 18 is going to roll out this fall it's going to be that's where you're going to get the

581
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,440
apple intelligence and the new iphone's they there was a recent thing we're saying it's not

582
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:39,640
going to come till 2025 yeah delay delay but regardless the demo that they showed was someone

583
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:45,880
asking siri when is my mom's flight coming in yeah and because it had access to all of this

584
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:52,360
on device data that is encrypted and that only can be accessed by your stuff um it can it can

585
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,200
tell you that and i'm sure like google will have some similar feature whatever but the fact remains

586
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,720
as you said they're sending data to the servers that's the whole thing and i feel like apple has

587
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:08,920
the unique ability to take this weird ai stuff that has been scaring people

588
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:15,960
and exciting people and actually give it to their uh user base in a way that hopefully

589
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:23,720
is is smooths things out and keeps things you know relatively private and makes things actually

590
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:28,920
useful because apple does have that closed ecosystem of like all of your stuff is with us

591
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,760
i don't love that apple is like this closed ecosystem and like oh we're not allowing you

592
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,920
to do open things up but i think that we have these twin dragons right now of

593
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:48,600
privacy of uh of ai just like threatening to take people's jobs and vacuum up all the data on the

594
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:55,560
internet and fill the internet with ai generated slop and trick all of our parents on facebook

595
00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:01,160
and then on the other hand we have the dragon of apple like being like oh we're gonna lock everything

596
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:09,080
down you're not allowed to do stuff but i feel like strangely the solution to dragon one might be

597
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:15,240
something like apple's approach where it's like you know you can use ai stuff but only in these very

598
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:20,920
limited ways that we tell you i wouldn't make the same comparison because i like why couldn't google

599
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:26,280
do on device like why can Android have an on device because their whole business model is

600
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:32,440
hovering up data exactly and apple does that as well but apple's business model apple's business

601
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:41,560
you don't have a search engine apple's closed ecosystem hmm is their business yes exactly

602
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:47,800
exactly okay but then that's true yeah but again with with apple's distribution apple can realize

603
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the dream of the humane pin yeah but with app distribution then on i can like the difference

604
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there is like app distribute like max have open app distribution they wouldn't ever have these problems

605
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that they wouldn't like apple wouldn't get sued because of the way app distributions on a mac but

606
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there's still a closed ecosystem right so the app distribution in that are kind of separate things

607
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it's just about like when is the like power tip when is it tip over into being like okay it's a

608
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little too much now you're controlling way too much yeah like i mean you know i'm not i'm not

609
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saying we need to give all apple the power whatever obviously i think that the e you

610
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should continue and and china and whoever should continue just yeah ripping them open um but

611
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i just hope that they uh i hope that they've retained the part of their soul

612
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that allows them to keep your data private encrypted on your device and give your private ai

613
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access to that without ever having to phone home i i think that that is that's

614
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that is honestly i think that is the future of ai yeah you know i i i agree with you that the

615
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bubble is probably gonna pop pretty soon i don't know who knows that's the thing we don't know but

616
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i think it has to pop it has to pop at some point because the exponential you know it's gonna deflate

617
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in this really annoying kind of like it's either we didn't know it's like anyway you know what i mean

618
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it's like it's either gonna pop or we're just gonna go straight straight line into cyberpunk

619
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dystopia where everything is ai and and we're screwed at that point somebody compared it to

620
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pollution yep i mean we're definitely polluting the internet yeah there's a lot of manually

621
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turned out crap yeah you know eight years ago it's crazy all right let's wrap this up um overall

622
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i think that uh it was great to catch up with you again jonathan how is it's good to be back

623
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and good to catch up with you too i miss and our conversations i do as well yeah i i wish we could

624
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always develop a philosophy and i go what i want to argue with you about ipads again at some point

625
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so we'll have you back and that's great until then just uh you know keep keep on keep on repping

626
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keep on repping tim cook and the boys and the girls i'll try and everybody at that one infinite

627
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loop i don't know why i'm trying to end this like a like a adult easy listening radio but

628
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i'm kind of leaning that way do you have we should find a song in apm and that was the white lotus

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the great show good show yeah and this was a good show thanks for watching subscribe to TechLinked

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bye bye