WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.200 Arguably there can be no perfect Linux PC, but what we can build is the perfect Linux PC for the creator of Linux who 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.000 There can be only 00:00:21.360 --> 00:00:26.360 Or hear me out you guys could just build a PC together. Oh, oh, okay 00:00:26.360 --> 00:00:30.440 That could work that could work for the folks too young to catch the Highlander reference 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:36.480 The joke is that we are both Linus and this can only end with one of us losing our heads. My mind is blown 00:00:36.480 --> 00:00:40.920 So maybe that counts guys when I shot my shot asking the 00:00:41.120 --> 00:00:45.320 Original tech Linus to come and do a collab with us. I had no idea what he'd say 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:52.720 I mean he's kind of a big deal known for minor contributions to modern technology like get and the Linux kernel 00:00:53.360 --> 00:01:02.600 But he's here The granddaddy of the operating systems that power everything from the Android phone in your hand to data centers around the world to more 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:10.040 Recently your new gaming PC all thanks to the incredible work of open-source developers and corporate sponsors like valve 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:13.200 And I get to build a computer with them and ask them some of your questions 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:20.320 And you think I'm the awkward one. Sorry look, I know that fan girling does make you a little bit uncomfortable 00:01:20.320 --> 00:01:25.560 Yes, but you are here right now in my studio and this is so cool 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:31.480 So I'll tell you what sure if you could just quickly sign my copy of this and then I'll settle down. I promise, okay 00:01:36.960 --> 00:01:38.960 He made it out to fake Linus 00:01:40.160 --> 00:01:46.040 From the real one this is officially more valuable to me than this message from our sponsor 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:52.640 You 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:04.160 Haven't written anything more recent autobiographically, so I went with this and the Wikipedia page 00:02:04.200 --> 00:02:11.720 So that's about yeah, that's fine I mean this was literally what we talked about earlier that I'll do anything once like right come here 00:02:12.640 --> 00:02:16.600 I really enjoyed it. Okay. No, I enjoyed the writing part 00:02:16.600 --> 00:02:25.960 I do want to point out the David Diamond part I actually wanted him to have the same font sizes my name. Oh really the publisher said no they were right 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:33.600 It was very much a collab He made that very clear in the parts that the italicized parts that are kind of his version of the telling of the story 00:02:33.600 --> 00:02:37.560 But I really enjoyed this and I'm looking forward to hopefully 00:02:38.160 --> 00:02:44.640 Asking you questions that are not thoroughly covered by your own autobiographical works, but from 25 years ago 00:02:44.640 --> 00:02:47.400 I was gonna ask you that is one of my questions is 00:02:48.040 --> 00:02:53.560 Do you feel as detached from what you wrote then as I might be from something that I wrote when I was 19? 00:02:53.560 --> 00:03:00.720 I actually don't remember what I wrote as much as I remember the process of writing it because that was that was literally 00:03:00.720 --> 00:03:07.240 Why I ended up doing it because I was like this could be interesting and we did all these things 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:13.240 With David together and and we made the whole writing experience literally a process 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:18.080 So I remembered that much more than I remember what I actually wrote. Oh, okay 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:22.320 So then you might have forgotten the meaning of life for instance. Oh, yeah, because that's in there. That's in there 00:03:22.320 --> 00:03:26.360 Yeah, it's entertainment by the way. Yeah, and and and sex is a perfect example 00:03:27.040 --> 00:03:31.720 It started for survival. Yeah, and then it became for a society 00:03:32.040 --> 00:03:39.640 And then also entertainment say yeah the entertainment part. No, you were quite explicit in both meanings. Okay, anything once anything once, right? 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.120 We're not done yet. So you still have to do more 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:51.640 When you say Linus just to clarify say false Linus or something fake Linus. Yeah today 00:03:51.640 --> 00:03:57.480 I can live with that now you did an interview with ZD net a number of years back about your daily driver 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:05.080 Computer which you built yourself and we actually replicated that build. What did you think of our video? Oh the one I never saw yeah 00:04:05.880 --> 00:04:10.880 Yeah, sorry, I knew that was gonna happen. And so the next thing I was gonna ask you is what about this video? 00:04:10.880 --> 00:04:18.400 Are you going to watch this video? I probably won't because I will be feeling way too self-conscious to to actually watch it 00:04:18.400 --> 00:04:22.760 But I might have to just because I will probably get emailed comments 00:04:22.760 --> 00:04:28.480 And then I will have to wonder about the comments and I love that comments to you our email 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:33.120 It's the only media I use yeah, I don't do I don't do the whole social media thing 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:39.600 So it's text for my family or email for everybody else right so I can text you 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:50.000 You actually can't text me. Oh That's actually pretty cool. So you know what even though I am not one of the couple of dozen Torvalds's on the planet 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:52.480 I also have a made-up last name 00:04:53.520 --> 00:04:56.360 So my mom broke from her family 00:04:57.200 --> 00:05:01.920 Changed her name and then got my dad to agree to use her name for me 00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:06.760 So I'm also Linus with also a last name with no 00:05:07.440 --> 00:05:11.360 Genealogy whatsoever attached to it, which I thought was a weird thing for us to have a strange yeah 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:16.360 I mean there's there's literally maybe 20 Torvalds's in the whole world because yeah 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:21.920 My grandfather made that name up for very similar reasons. This is so much fun. You are 00:05:23.080 --> 00:05:31.880 Actually doing amazing It's nothing like that night that you barely slept before your first major speaking engagement right you really did read the book 00:05:31.880 --> 00:05:35.920 Of course good on you What do you think I would fake it? I don't know 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:43.120 Shame shame shame on people who collaborate with people and don't actually read their book ahead of time 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.720 Well, I didn't watch your videos. So that's fine. I 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:54.100 Am the beta Linus today, so I fully accept that that's going to be what happens 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.160 What else is gonna happen is we are actually going to build a computer at some point here 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:04.720 And if you watched our last video, that's fine You didn't but if you have your computer then this may be familiar to you 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:08.640 We are starting with an AMD threadripper this time a 99 60x 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:14.600 This is a 24 core 48 thread CPU that I imagine is going to absolutely rip it up for writing emails 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:20.040 It's not the only thing I do but I do spend a lot of time actually reading emails more than writing them because 00:06:21.320 --> 00:06:29.160 You can fit so much email in this bad boy But of course you do have some high performance demanding needs like say for example 00:06:29.320 --> 00:06:35.720 Yeah, I do compile the kernel a lot So it's part of my test requirements that 00:06:36.200 --> 00:06:40.440 When I merge other people's code because I don't code myself very much anymore 00:06:40.440 --> 00:06:47.000 One of the things I do between every single merge is compile the whole kernel with every module 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.400 I can and that's where you want something fairly powerful 00:06:50.400 --> 00:06:55.600 And I mean, I'm sure you know NVIDIA is probably working on a way to make code compilation 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:02.520 GPU accelerated, but is CPUs still the way to go? Yeah, and I can use as many cores as they can give me 00:07:02.520 --> 00:07:07.600 Why did we cheap out on him? Oh because I also I actually I mean people ask me what I want 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:14.080 And I was like I don't want the crazy high-end because I want it to be quiet! and reliable and not like 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:22.560 Insane in any particular direction. So you know what we actually take a very similar approach with our editing workstations 00:07:22.840 --> 00:07:27.680 The you know the writers or whatever they can play around with the latest generation stuff. They're always 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:31.840 One step down because I just want it to work 00:07:31.840 --> 00:07:35.360 I think I've never I've always wanted to have something that just is 00:07:36.200 --> 00:07:42.000 Reliable and that's to me. I mean that comes first. It needs to be something I can 00:07:42.320 --> 00:07:49.200 Trust and work with and then within that envelope. It needs to perform well and not be crazy 00:07:49.760 --> 00:07:54.440 Bleeding edge and he's letting me build it Yeah, that may be 00:07:54.440 --> 00:07:59.360 Let's see. I'm having way too much fun today. This is like the best day. I've had in the office in 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:06.160 Like a very long time seriously, okay. I'm sorry. I said I would stop I'm okay. I'm done 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.600 I'm done choosing a motherboard for Linux is pretty straightforward 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:14.240 You want all of the usual things you want out of a motherboard nice robust cooling good power delivery 00:08:14.520 --> 00:08:20.920 All the IO that you want But of course you want to make sure that all of the onboard components are supported by Linux 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:26.800 One of the big things that we looked for in a platform for you was support for ECC memory as well 00:08:26.880 --> 00:08:30.520 Yeah, can you talk a little bit about why that's so important? 00:08:30.520 --> 00:08:37.800 I don't understand why people don't require ECC in their machines because being able to trust your machine is like 00:08:37.920 --> 00:08:43.000 The number one thing and without ECC your memory will go bad 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:49.280 It's not a question of when it's or it is a question of when I mean it just might take a few years 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.920 So when I built the machine you apparently built the video 00:08:53.640 --> 00:08:57.040 Shut up video around that was 00:08:57.040 --> 00:09:00.680 Maybe five years ago. I forget it was during the COVID 00:09:01.520 --> 00:09:07.040 Availability night. Yeah, so I could not get ECC and I said whatever I'll 00:09:07.680 --> 00:09:16.000 get reasonable RAM and It worked fine. It worked fine for a couple of years and then two years goes by and I 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.680 Starts seeing oopses. I start seeing 00:09:20.880 --> 00:09:23.800 Segmentation violations. I'm obviously doing this on 00:09:24.400 --> 00:09:30.600 Modern Linux kernel that is being developed right now and my first reaction is oh, no, we have a bug 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.080 and I spent days on 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:40.000 Trying to figure out what the bug was until I just realized no it wasn't a bug at all 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:48.360 It was my machine was not reliable So for you, this is not a question of you know, I have to reboot my system because my game crashed 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:55.480 All right, this is a question of I am working on software that millions of people around the world rely on I 00:09:55.760 --> 00:09:59.840 Need to know right. I absolutely need to trust my machine