1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,200 Arguably there can be no perfect Linux PC, but what we can build is the perfect Linux PC for the creator of Linux who 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,000 There can be only 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,360 Or hear me out you guys could just build a PC together. Oh, oh, okay 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,440 That could work that could work for the folks too young to catch the Highlander reference 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:36,480 The joke is that we are both Linus and this can only end with one of us losing our heads. My mind is blown 6 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:40,920 So maybe that counts guys when I shot my shot asking the 7 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,320 Original tech Linus to come and do a collab with us. I had no idea what he'd say 8 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:52,720 I mean he's kind of a big deal known for minor contributions to modern technology like get and the Linux kernel 9 00:00:53,360 --> 00:01:02,600 But he's here The granddaddy of the operating systems that power everything from the Android phone in your hand to data centers around the world to more 10 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:10,040 Recently your new gaming PC all thanks to the incredible work of open-source developers and corporate sponsors like valve 11 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,200 And I get to build a computer with them and ask them some of your questions 12 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:20,320 And you think I'm the awkward one. Sorry look, I know that fan girling does make you a little bit uncomfortable 13 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:25,560 Yes, but you are here right now in my studio and this is so cool 14 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:31,480 So I'll tell you what sure if you could just quickly sign my copy of this and then I'll settle down. I promise, okay 15 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:38,960 He made it out to fake Linus 16 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:46,040 From the real one this is officially more valuable to me than this message from our sponsor 17 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,640 You 18 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,160 Haven't written anything more recent autobiographically, so I went with this and the Wikipedia page 19 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:11,720 So that's about yeah, that's fine I mean this was literally what we talked about earlier that I'll do anything once like right come here 20 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:16,600 I really enjoyed it. Okay. No, I enjoyed the writing part 21 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:25,960 I do want to point out the David Diamond part I actually wanted him to have the same font sizes my name. Oh really the publisher said no they were right 22 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:33,600 It was very much a collab He made that very clear in the parts that the italicized parts that are kind of his version of the telling of the story 23 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,560 But I really enjoyed this and I'm looking forward to hopefully 24 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:44,640 Asking you questions that are not thoroughly covered by your own autobiographical works, but from 25 years ago 25 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:47,400 I was gonna ask you that is one of my questions is 26 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:53,560 Do you feel as detached from what you wrote then as I might be from something that I wrote when I was 19? 27 00:02:53,560 --> 00:03:00,720 I actually don't remember what I wrote as much as I remember the process of writing it because that was that was literally 28 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:07,240 Why I ended up doing it because I was like this could be interesting and we did all these things 29 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,240 With David together and and we made the whole writing experience literally a process 30 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,080 So I remembered that much more than I remember what I actually wrote. Oh, okay 31 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,320 So then you might have forgotten the meaning of life for instance. Oh, yeah, because that's in there. That's in there 32 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,360 Yeah, it's entertainment by the way. Yeah, and and and sex is a perfect example 33 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,720 It started for survival. Yeah, and then it became for a society 34 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:39,640 And then also entertainment say yeah the entertainment part. No, you were quite explicit in both meanings. Okay, anything once anything once, right? 35 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,120 We're not done yet. So you still have to do more 36 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:51,640 When you say Linus just to clarify say false Linus or something fake Linus. Yeah today 37 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:57,480 I can live with that now you did an interview with ZD net a number of years back about your daily driver 38 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:05,080 Computer which you built yourself and we actually replicated that build. What did you think of our video? Oh the one I never saw yeah 39 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,880 Yeah, sorry, I knew that was gonna happen. And so the next thing I was gonna ask you is what about this video? 40 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:18,400 Are you going to watch this video? I probably won't because I will be feeling way too self-conscious to to actually watch it 41 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,760 But I might have to just because I will probably get emailed comments 42 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,480 And then I will have to wonder about the comments and I love that comments to you our email 43 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,120 It's the only media I use yeah, I don't do I don't do the whole social media thing 44 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:39,600 So it's text for my family or email for everybody else right so I can text you 45 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:50,000 You actually can't text me. Oh That's actually pretty cool. So you know what even though I am not one of the couple of dozen Torvalds's on the planet 46 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,480 I also have a made-up last name 47 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,360 So my mom broke from her family 48 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,920 Changed her name and then got my dad to agree to use her name for me 49 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,760 So I'm also Linus with also a last name with no 50 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,360 Genealogy whatsoever attached to it, which I thought was a weird thing for us to have a strange yeah 51 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,360 I mean there's there's literally maybe 20 Torvalds's in the whole world because yeah 52 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,920 My grandfather made that name up for very similar reasons. This is so much fun. You are 53 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:31,880 Actually doing amazing It's nothing like that night that you barely slept before your first major speaking engagement right you really did read the book 54 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,920 Of course good on you What do you think I would fake it? I don't know 55 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:43,120 Shame shame shame on people who collaborate with people and don't actually read their book ahead of time 56 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,720 Well, I didn't watch your videos. So that's fine. I 57 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,100 Am the beta Linus today, so I fully accept that that's going to be what happens 58 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,160 What else is gonna happen is we are actually going to build a computer at some point here 59 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:04,720 And if you watched our last video, that's fine You didn't but if you have your computer then this may be familiar to you 60 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,640 We are starting with an AMD threadripper this time a 99 60x 61 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,600 This is a 24 core 48 thread CPU that I imagine is going to absolutely rip it up for writing emails 62 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:20,040 It's not the only thing I do but I do spend a lot of time actually reading emails more than writing them because 63 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:29,160 You can fit so much email in this bad boy But of course you do have some high performance demanding needs like say for example 64 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:35,720 Yeah, I do compile the kernel a lot So it's part of my test requirements that 65 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,440 When I merge other people's code because I don't code myself very much anymore 66 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:47,000 One of the things I do between every single merge is compile the whole kernel with every module 67 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,400 I can and that's where you want something fairly powerful 68 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,600 And I mean, I'm sure you know NVIDIA is probably working on a way to make code compilation 69 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:02,520 GPU accelerated, but is CPUs still the way to go? Yeah, and I can use as many cores as they can give me 70 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,600 Why did we cheap out on him? Oh because I also I actually I mean people ask me what I want 71 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:14,080 And I was like I don't want the crazy high-end because I want it to be quiet! and reliable and not like 72 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:22,560 Insane in any particular direction. So you know what we actually take a very similar approach with our editing workstations 73 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:27,680 The you know the writers or whatever they can play around with the latest generation stuff. They're always 74 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,840 One step down because I just want it to work 75 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,360 I think I've never I've always wanted to have something that just is 76 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:42,000 Reliable and that's to me. I mean that comes first. It needs to be something I can 77 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Trust and work with and then within that envelope. It needs to perform well and not be crazy 78 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:54,440 Bleeding edge and he's letting me build it Yeah, that may be 79 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,360 Let's see. I'm having way too much fun today. This is like the best day. I've had in the office in 80 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:06,160 Like a very long time seriously, okay. I'm sorry. I said I would stop I'm okay. I'm done 81 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,600 I'm done choosing a motherboard for Linux is pretty straightforward 82 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,240 You want all of the usual things you want out of a motherboard nice robust cooling good power delivery 83 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:20,920 All the IO that you want But of course you want to make sure that all of the onboard components are supported by Linux 84 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:26,800 One of the big things that we looked for in a platform for you was support for ECC memory as well 85 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,520 Yeah, can you talk a little bit about why that's so important? 86 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:37,800 I don't understand why people don't require ECC in their machines because being able to trust your machine is like 87 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:43,000 The number one thing and without ECC your memory will go bad 88 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:49,280 It's not a question of when it's or it is a question of when I mean it just might take a few years 89 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,920 So when I built the machine you apparently built the video 90 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Shut up video around that was 91 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,680 Maybe five years ago. I forget it was during the COVID 92 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:07,040 Availability night. Yeah, so I could not get ECC and I said whatever I'll 93 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:16,000 get reasonable RAM and It worked fine. It worked fine for a couple of years and then two years goes by and I 94 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,680 Starts seeing oopses. I start seeing 95 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,800 Segmentation violations. I'm obviously doing this on 96 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:30,600 Modern Linux kernel that is being developed right now and my first reaction is oh, no, we have a bug 97 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,080 and I spent days on 98 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Trying to figure out what the bug was until I just realized no it wasn't a bug at all 99 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:48,360 It was my machine was not reliable So for you, this is not a question of you know, I have to reboot my system because my game crashed 100 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:55,480 All right, this is a question of I am working on software that millions of people around the world rely on I 101 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,840 Need to know right. I absolutely need to trust my machine