Hey look it's Luke. Hi Luke. Hello. Nice. How's that delay anyway? Should be, um, okay. There it is.
I mean I can check. It's pretty cool delay, sexy delay. Yeah. You know? Here count to count to three. No I won't.
Okay. Fine. I'll do it. One. Two. Three. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. You sure you don't want me to count to three point one four?
Cause I could do that. But keep going for a while. Yeah I wanted to keep going for a while.
We may have to start sooner rather than later just cause I have a place to go at some point. Is that, um, is that somewhat possible pretty quick?
I mean yeah we're pretty showing where we're good to go. Okay. Cool. Um, yeah I think I'd like to, I think I'd like to do that.
Let me grab another bottle of water real quick. I'll be back in seconds. Okay never mind. We'll do it soon.
Um.
What are you guys doing? Do you have a good week?
Full plane chat? Do you have a good week?
Dude I'm, yeah Fridays have been the busy day for like ever.
Like forever. We show. Oh ow. Thank you for that Luke. That was really good.
Can you pull that mic away from your mouth? We like the, we like the mic handling noise. Thank you.
Oh. Primo. Primo.
He's just being able to whip my headphones off because I don't, at home and normally for a while I don't have a headset attached to my mic.
Right. Yeah. That checks out. Wow. With the natural light in Luke's room there compared to the like studio light on me I look dead.
I was thinking he looked very jaundiced. I've been trying to color, trying to color correct him.
Pink rosy. I think all these monitors are a bit redshifted. Well I'm like sunburned as well. No it's just, your camera's adjusting itself all the time.
Oh man I'm tired. I could not sleep last night. Which honestly is good because if I'm going to change time zones I might as well have like a f***ed up sleep schedule at home.
Yeah. I see it as a blessing. Are we going live at quarter after? Is that the plan?
Whenever you fancy. I can set it to quarter after if you want. What if I plane instead of fancy? Ordinary.
Yeah sure. I'll give you a bell for that. Nice. Nice. Now I feel good. I'm energized. Sorry when was it supposed to be?
Let's do a 515. We could do 515? Okay. Yeah let's do 515.
Man whenever I'm going through the topic doc I always feel like man there's a lot of topics like oh man there's going to be a long show.
And then I look at the doc doc and I'm just like man there's like no topics. And then the show starts and then it's like man four hours later.
You say that every week. Well yeah but ah. Okay here's what we're going to do Luke. Here's what we're going to do. It's going to be crazy.
Okay. We're going to keep it on the rails today.
Shut up. Stop. No. Stop. Stop it. No. Stop. No.
There are literally topics in the document designed for taking it off of the rails. No I don't believe you. Not in my world. You put two of them there. Not in my world.
So here's the plan. Okay. We're going to stay on the rails today. Okay. It's going to be old school when we're going to talk about stuff that happened.
Then then and only then we'll go after dark.
Does this mean that you're going to listen to it when I tell you to move on for the first time? Doubt it. I probably won't hear you.
There's a giant card that I hold up. Can't see it. I guess it's equivalent to an advertisement.
Anything that's always there for me is never there.
You do have ADHD as well don't you? It just becomes part of the environment.
Dude I literally like just I scatter things around my house that I'm supposed to remember.
Like my system for making sure that I finish laundry on the weekend is that our laundry shoot.
I just have the like pile of laundry hanging out of it and the door of it open so that I literally can't go in and out of the house without seeing it.
Yeah but then you just like tripping on it. You learn to just step over it.
No no no it's it's it's I make it that bad that it's like actually an obstacle until the laundry is done.
And then when when I don't have enough that's like dirty then what I do is I take like a dried one and I like put that in the middle of the hallway so that I cannot get past it without being like oh right laundry.
Smart smart thanks.
I smartly fix my broken brain.
I mean we all do we all do.
I hate I hate ADHD. No no it's a superpower.
Five minutes. What five minutes I thought we were doing it five seconds.
Two seconds now it's five fifty. Alright I'm doing it.
It's when showtime and I for one am ticked teed peeved.
I rate how can I do this.
We've got a lot of great topics for you guys this week starting of course with VPN secure cancelling lifetime subscriptions because they didn't know about them.
What does that even mean?
Oh oh oh in much better news we are officially the best at computer.
That's right. We have this Guinness World Record to show that we computed more than anybody ever computed before along with our partner Kyoksia talking a little bit about the behind the scenes of that how that came to pass what else we got.
Philips debuts 3D printable repair components for you know Philips products which is cool and rather surprising and also apparently podcasters don't want public play counts.
So I guess the full plane is very very feature first on this one.
I think I know why I know why. Oh people are upset I didn't say welcome to the WAN Show welcome to the WAN Show.
It's been so many years since we actually sat on a couch.
Yeah. The show is brought to you today by Vessi.
Delete me and Squarespace. Of course alongside our rap partner dbrand our laptop partner Dell and our chair partner.
Oops. Secret lab.
Technically it was only a little bit over a year because of the April Fool's stream.
Oh I guess that's fair. That is true. Haha.
Yeah. Chui was there fact checking us fact checking us.
Let's jump right into our headline topic which is of course a lot of you in the comments on today's video on us getting yes my friends it is real.
The number of people that I saw being like I thought it was a bit.
I thought it was like a bit. No no no no no. No no no it's 300 trillion bits.
That's right my friends. Thank you Dan.
We actually did get the verified Guinness World Record for calculating the most accurate value of Pi which was to 300 trillion decimal places.
And I only vaguely remember how this came to be but Luke I kind of want to hear a little bit about how infra has felt about this project.
That has been as far as I can tell very much in the way of things that they've been trying to do over the last I would say months but realistically it's been more like years.
So. Yeah. And loud.
I will I will tell you I will tell you that the project started in the same way that a lot of projects start around here and you guys probably remember back when we did the million dollar PC.
So we had the these GPU compute nodes and realistically it was the oodles and oodles of high speed PCIe storage that made it so expensive.
So we showed you know what a data center class node could actually be used for.
I believe we did some simulations on it and stuff like that we showed how high speed storage is so important to powering these kinds of workloads.
And then we were done with it and everybody wanted their hardware back which made us kind of go reasonable but hear me out.
What if we keep the hardware and since we've got it we do something really cool with it.
So whenever we get our hands on something that enables something that almost nobody else in the world could do we are highly incentivized to try to do more stuff with that hardware.
Not because there's actually like a compelling business reason for us to have had that stuff lying around.
As far as I can tell we have done absolutely nothing of use with the million dollar PC in the entire time that we've had it.
And the majority of that time has been to try and get this project going which ended up being a huge challenge.
Jake was I don't know if he ended up putting it in the final edit because I saw a version of the edit that I signed off on.
Then I think we made some more changes. But basically he has this spreadsheet where he went through like every tunable in Y cruncher and basically did like before after before after before after before.
But like it is the most flipping tuned Y cruncher not because Y cruncher is not good already but because as far as we can tell nobody has ever used it.
Quite like this with network distributed storage in this fashion.
So that that's how the whole thing started. We were like hey we should try to find something else to do with this super powerful hardware.
Why don't we calculate more digits of pie.
We kind of glossed over it in the video but keeping this thing fed has been an absolute nightmare.
And I want to I want to before before Luke jumps in I want to address one more thing that I saw a lot of in the comments.
And that is wow your infrastructure in Canada must be if you guys lose power that often.
OK couple things. First of all in this area in particular.
Yeah it does kind of feel that way. Do we lose power at the office alarmingly frequently especially given that this is an industrial zone.
One that they are moving a hospital into.
They are literally building a hospital across the street from Labs like right there.
And we have lost power. I kid you not like somewhere between half a dozen and 10 times in the last calendar year.
It has been unbelievable with that said I was sorry.
I had a certain point in my growing up.
We we lived on the same grid as the hospital that we were near at one point in time.
And you would just never lose power like the whole everyone else would lose power and we would be fine forever.
And then that stopped being a thing and it was it was a sad day.
It's all about priority. So yeah I've also found that oddly enough for some reason you're talking about the infrastructure around us isn't that great.
I find I lose power less than the office dude.
This area like my current residential setup is more resilient than the office area is the pits.
However in their defense there is kind of a good reason for it.
This part of the lower mainland is quite built out but not built up.
So it's quite spread out.
And our power lines because of that were cost effectively constructed on wooden poles right.
So our power line our power poles and our telephone poles they kind of share infrastructure and they're just they're just overhead power lines.
So if you've ever been to Vancouver you might know that we are known for having for not just leveling all of the trees in our cities which is nice.
You know beautiful even you might say beautiful British Columbia that's what it says on our license plates.
But it is a bit of a double-edged sword and when we have a windstorm which hey you know just like the rest of the world seems to be happening a lot more frequently around here these days.
I wonder if there's some kind of thing that might be contributing to that.
I don't know it's a great mystery at least for you know half of the world that can't figure it out.
We're having a lot more windstorms lately than we used to and so branches and trees are coming down on those power lines a lot more than they used to.
So our infrastructure was designed for the very mild climate that we used to have and the very mild storms that we used to have.
And now our climate tends to dip lower in lows during the winter get higher in the highs during the summer and we tend to have a lot more windstorms.
So it's been a learning curve I guess is what I would say.
That doesn't mean I'm happy about it. It wasn't great that we lost power a bunch of times during the pie attempt and also just generally lose power a lot.
It's pretty inconvenient for business operations but overall I don't think it's slowed us down too much over the years.
OK so what have you guys gone through because there's been cooling failures power failures just generally us being up in your biz like in from us be not that stoked on this project.
Dan might have more to comment here than me but honestly that's those same things basically because in in a few cases we've been called and tried to help with that sound.
Like even with the actually fairly extensive sound deadening that that room has on it.
The info team is sat especially Tom is sat right next to it and straight through all that sound deadening it's been it's been real loud and screaming real hard the whole time.
The I got some notes from Jake here I mentioned that this is going to be a topic and asked if there's anything you wanted to add.
He said don't pick the cheapest HVAC quote.
He said that a lot of people were commenting on asking how it was actually verified or if we just calculated 300 trillion digits of nothing.
But apparently it's something called B. B. B. P. extraction or Bailey Borwin ploof extraction where you can calculate specific ranges of digits instead of the whole thing.
So the Alexander Yee the Y. Cruncher Dev ran two separate B. B. P. verifications against the last chunk of digits in hex form to validate.
And this took around six hours each on a very fast computer so apparently no you don't have to run the whole thing twice.
And it gets spot checked against the existing record sets including two two hundred and two trillion and one hundred trillion from Google etc.
And yeah Jake is also saying that he could run over to the set and add some context or questions which could be cool.
Yeah no this has been Jake's pet project for over a year at this point getting it over the line.
It's amazing how dedicated that young man can be when the objective is purely to create the world's largest pain.
That makes a lot of sense. For quite literally no purpose other than to have the biggest computer pain.
I'm not saying I'm not saying he doesn't work hard on other stuff.
In fact someone Casper Explorer in the Floatplane chess says hey I thought you guys just made a video about DIYing battery backup battery backup the lab.
He's been trying he's actually been trying to get me to do like a massive power backup project here for quite some time and yes the like weird we know it's at least a little bit sketchy setup that I have at my house right now.
Was meant to be stage one stage two is hopefully like a bigger setup at my house because that's still a manageable scale.
And if these projects continue to peak people's interest stage three could be a larger more resilient solution that's here at the office.
So you know never never underestimate never underestimate this young man whether he's doing something actually useful like you know DIYing a UPS for a fraction of the cost or whether he's doing this.
I don't know I know he's in the chat right now if people have questions over in Floatplane chat.
He's coming over. He's going to join you Isaac V asked why not a diesel generator so you guys can keep going maybe a more proven way for business.
So a diesel generator is not as simple as just like buy a diesel generator.
You have to actually like make sure the diesel fuel doesn't go bad like when we checked out equinix is set up they had to have like their own fuel conditioning I think it's called.
But basically like to rejuvenate the fuel on site and make sure that it doesn't go bad in their storage tanks that like tanks are underground.
But also like they have like I think they have like counterweight or something so they don't like float in a flood or what like it's not.
It's not that simple to do an entire building diesel backup and it does take on going maintenance and the the actual business disruption of our occasional power outages is not.
That high like if it goes out for an hour or two we can just be like OK well.
Realistically all we can do is lean or clean so find one of those things to do.
And a lot of the time it's out overnight like it's it hasn't you have to do a business like cost analysis.
If you guys have questions Jake's going to sit in Luke's chair you're going to go around.
OK he's going to go around the back. I mean that's a path that's a path that people can take.
I tried to warn him.
He could have just quickly passed in front of this camera but instead he decided to take.
You know what. Hi.
How you doing. Where are the headphones.
What.
If you guys have any questions about the whole thing feel free to throw those over in the Floatplane chat brother.
What. Oh. Where's where's this quarter inch jack adapter.
What kind of professional what kind of professional podcast set is this.
I wish I could. Why is Dan right in front of Luke. I can't. I can't show.
Oh thank you Daniel.
That's OK Dan's a professional. He always always keeps a three and a half millimeter to quarter inch adapter in his back pocket at all times.
Dan is this true. Of course. Of course it's true.
And also a quarter inch to three and a half.
Yeah exactly. He always has. I own a Mac book.
That's why I have a USB anything to type C adapter.
Are we allowed to talk about the load of utter horse that getting one of these certificates is these days.
I don't know that that is this song. Can you hear me through here.
I can. I can't hear you through here. I can. I don't know that I want to do that.
OK. Because I got to tell you it was a lot of work though.
I'll tell you this much. OK. The process of getting the certificate is definitely different from what the process was back when we did Highlander like almost 10 years ago.
It's also very different if you're doing it for like I'm a personal record.
I'm like I'm on my chocolate or the most bananas finding pie in a minute or something.
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Or reciting pie from your brain.
You don't usually I think you don't have to pay money or it's not a very large amount of money.
But when you're doing something that's corporate it's advertising.
Yeah. So they expect to get paid for it.
And like and a lot. Yeah. Not three hundred three hundred trillion digits have paid.
But more than two. There's a password on this laptop.
More than three. I don't know. Can you get can you get multiple more than four.
I know we have the the world record thing for for Highlander.
You don't have it. Do you only. I thought they sent them to all the participants.
No I have one. Oh. Oh sorry. I completely misheard you then.
Yeah. No I said I know we have one. But like like how many of that do you have one pie.
You can get as many as you want after we have this one probably get more than one.
And then I ordered like a paper one because I wanted Linus to have a worse one.
Well you're cheap. So like you wanted to pay the fifty dollars for the frame.
You know what the worst part is. Am I wrong. You know what the worst part is.
He's laughing because it's true. You know what the worst part is.
That is a hundred percent what I did the first time. Yeah.
Because that's it. It's just a piece of paper.
I was looking at that the other day. I was like oh that's the Highlander one.
It's the it's the cheapo one. Bro you can buy that frame on Amazon.
Not that I support Mr. Bezos aside from when he trips and falls.
Oh my god. Okay hold on hold on hold on.
Okay I want to play a game. I want to play a game. Okay Dan Dan you're part of the game.
I would like you to guess for each of us how many times we've watched Mr. Bezos each.
How many times we've watched the clip. Okay so each of us each of us has to kind of think and write down what we think what
we think it is how many times we think we've watched it.
And if you watch it on loop each loop counts as one. Each loop counts as one.
So hold on let me let me think for a second.
Okay if you show it to someone else how many views does that count as is that just one
or does it like count as a multiple view. No I think that's your.
Okay that's just one okay.
Okay I got my number. I got my number.
Alright I think I've got some too. Did you show it on Wanshow?
No I don't. Did we?
Yes. Oh we did. Oh I didn't count that one.
So do you get like hundreds of thousands? No no no no it only counts as one it counts as one.
Okay I mean does it count as like half of one just because you're short.
Okay let's see how well let's see how well Dan.
I look small right now. Oh because Luke has a big torso right.
My chair is lower than Linus's.
Okay Dan. That's weird. Okay Dan.
Each loop counts. Each loop counts. Alright so for Linus I'm gonna say around 120.
Oh come on that's not realistic. Is it not?
Who would have time for that? I mean like spread out over many many weeks.
Like we watched it maybe four or five times on the Wanshow at least.
Did we? Yeah it's funny.
I don't know if we watched it that many times.
Like maybe I'm gonna say I don't know 20, 20, 30 something like that.
No not that funny. What do you want me to say or am I waiting?
I guess waiting. And then maybe Luke like 10 to 20 times or something.
Do you think Luke? Dude what? Okay alright.
Okay so we have a bit of a problem here because I put down seven but I forgot
that we watched it multiple times when we were looking at it on Wanshow.
So realistically I'm probably closer to 20.
We also watched it like 10 times during writer's meeting.
I don't think I was there for that one. You might have been in the car still or something.
Did you guys really? Oh yeah yeah. We were analyzing like how did he biff this?
Oh he's just bad at walking.
Dan said 10 to 20 for me. The number that I came up for myself was 15.
15. Okay so Dan nailed you. What I didn't realize originally is that it's not like a short loop.
Pause. Oh I missed it.
It's not a loop.
It's like a video that you have to scroll back on. Yeah.
So maybe you know 120 is probably a little bit. Yeah that's probably fine.
You don't just watch the video. Well no I mean people have. I mean I did rewind like the idea but it was manual.
Show the people? No. No no.
I don't want to get copyright strike. This is transformative baby.
No I don't want to get a copyright strike over it.
From Daddy Bezos? Dude we've been copyright strike for like showing game trailers.
Well that is like the one thing that you get copyrighted for.
Yeah it's ridiculous. It's not even just Nintendo runs either.
It's just Bean Pootie Pie. Dude it's literally promotional content.
It's literally ads. Can we copyright Linus Tech Tips?
It's an old meme but it checks out. I like it.
It's good. It's pretty good. I got it.
Chad says yes we can. What are we supposed to be talking about right now?
Oh yeah what's your number? What's your number?
I'm going to go with like prob. Dan I think Dan was right. It's probably 20 times.
And a good like 15 of those was just the first time I saw it.
Dude it's so funny.
It's so funny. Okay right so did anybody actually like put any questions in the chat or anything?
I'm going to watch the clip on the laptop myself.
Oh man what was one of the things that I had wanted to address?
If I type Bezos biffing it will it come up?
What was the most annoying thing about working on the Pyrex of Jake?
Honestly I think the power outages are one thing.
I would go with when we were near the end like in February, March timeline the AC was
just crapping its pants with no suitable explanation.
So this is an amazing amazingly engineered system.
Okay so it has error codes. They're little lights not stored anywhere.
They're just blinking lights yeah. Nice.
And they're on both sides. So if there's an error with the outside unit it blinks the light on the outside unit which
means you have to go outside get on a ladder take the thing off to see it.
The inside unit also has error codes. If it shuts off like you know when you're trying to do a world record and you really
need the bloody AC to turn back on so you go flip the breaker and like come on turn
back on. The codes go away forever and there's no history nothing saved.
So you know what happened like the first seven times we had no idea what was wrong with
it. Nice. Literally none and even the HVAC guys were like I don't know.
Come on you're like $250 an hour what the heck.
Anyways it ended up being that the AC system had basically no refrigerant left in it.
It was supposed to have like I don't know I don't want to say a number because I don't
know the actual number. Let's say it's 10 pounds of refrigerant supposed to be in this loop right there was like 0.6.
I don't know how this keeps happening.
Do you know how many times they had leaks in that one mini-split system in the server
room over here. It's probably leaked like a dozen times.
Okay and I'm not even I'm not even trying to be a jerk about it.
Right because it's easy right it's easy to look at someone else's job and be like oh
it can't be that hard you know professional athletes how do you miss that.
I could my grandma could have kicked that in you know whatever right like that's easy to
do. But like in this case I actually have installed a mini-split system.
Yours are mint right. Yeah they work great.
You also had Brian the electrician HVAC man.
I mean yes. I did get help but nothing that we did nothing we did was super complicated.
Yeah you get some copper tube you raise some fittings on it and you make sure they're tight.
What are they doing. I mean like no shade. The one in Creator Warehouse broke a month ago too.
Okay let's give them a little shade. You did also approve the cheapest HVAC quote we got.
Okay I didn't I had nothing to do with it.
I told them get something good. I can't control.
I can't control what people actually go ahead with.
Yeah sure great. Literally though.
Who did it. I don't know man. It doesn't matter.
We don't want to throw anybody under the bus there's no point.
The company that does the maintenance now is a lot better but yeah it was rough and to
be clear I think maybe you're like overestimating the like average effort and that your average
contractor is putting in. Oh I'm really not.
Did I ever show you the pictures of my lawn right now.
With the gravel on it. Did you show them the pictures of your lawn with the gravel.
Did I. Dude it's so bad.
Wait has it been fixed yet. They are there today.
Like with what. To their credit. 70 rakes.
To their credit. What. The company that screwed it up.
Big vacuum. Dude. I think it is a big vacuum.
We had already paid them.
We had already paid them so like if they were anything like some of the contractors that
we've worked with in the past they would have just ghosted us a hundred percent.
But no they're they're actually good guys they actually came back so what they're doing
is basically they're putting an inch of topsoil over our entire lawn.
Oh then you're going to have like the mintus drainage. Yeah.
To a point. To a point. Yeah and then once it's saturated it's game over.
Well. Does your lawn have like a drainage underneath like drainage pipes.
Yeah. Oh I'm surprised that. There was just one part that like didn't and a couple other little spots that were a little
bit soggy. So Yvonne was like hey can you guys come and just kind of address that.
And they came and dumped gravel all over the whole thing because of a miscommunication.
So what happened was the company whose job it is is to just deliver like wheelbarrows
of crap to a job site. Oh I see. They got it wrong.
And then the guys that were just like the guys to just spread the stuff over they didn't
question it because they were like why would they deliver the wrong thing.
And then when the super shows up on the site he goes oh my God what happened.
I'm laughing at both this story and Jeff Bezos falling on my laptop on repeat.
He's got to get his count up.
Okay so one thing is Linus said we weren't going to go off the rails on the show.
Oh yeah you got my laptop going here.
Oh yeah that was great. I've got my subway surfers doing my job.
He was just too excited.
So what did you promise at the start of the show? That we were going to stay on the rails.
We have not stayed on the rails today. Are you doing an airplane like tonight?
Don't worry about it. I haven't seen a lot of questions with the Pi stuff.
I got one in merchandise. Why didn't you calculate it to Pi?
Now that everyone has said that I'm like wow I'm an idiot.
Yeah we should have done that. Or like to 300 trillion 69 or something.
Why the round number? So there's a few factors here.
It's like the main concern is your storage space.
Because you have the memory in the computer that's your active working memory.
Your storage space isn't used to store the output.
I mean it is later on. But it's used as swap space which is just like memory but slower.
When your computer has a swap it's slow.
But in this case it's swap that's 100 gigabytes a second.
So it's fast but not as fast as 3 terabytes of DDR5.
Anyways where was I going with this?
Oh yeah right. So originally we were trying to do 200 trillion digits
and we had the storage capacity for that. And then when we were trying to do 300 trillion digits
we were like we're going to have 98 percent of the capacity.
We were going to use 98 percent of the capacity. But I later found out right before the run
you don't actually have to output both sets of digits.
So traditionally people would output the hexadecimal version
which is what is actually calculated by the program and the decimal version.
The decimal version is longer, takes up more space.
That's what you would traditionally read 3.1415 blah blah blah blah.
The hexadecimal format wouldn't really mean a whole lot to most people
until you base convert it. But you don't have to output it.
So I disabled it which saved us like 120 terabytes compressed.
So we could have used that extra space to calculate
14 trillion more digits.
I would have settled for just like 69 more digits.
You know what, here's the PR response. Why didn't I do that?
Here's the PR response. Because then we would have a Guinness record that was...
That's iconic! What do you mean? Yeah.
No, no, here's the PR response. You know, for us this was just about the collaboration with Kyoksia,
our partner on this project. Well, they're great.
And we wanted to leave an opportunity for the next person
to come along and do it to Pi digits. No, that's wrong.
I actually have the real answer. In Y Cruncher, when you're setting up the run,
when you type in how many digits, the short form version, you can just write 300 T.
If I had to write the whole thing, that would have been like...
That would have been a few more seconds. ...a few more numbers to click and like...
You might have gotten Carpal Tunnel. Yeah.
I wouldn't have wanted that. No, I wouldn't have wanted that. You'd be paying for that.
You don't want to pay for that. We already established this.
Look at the frame, buddy. Well, no, that's covered.
He already pays for that. He pays for that anyways. Yeah, no, I think our premiums go...
I think our deductible and premiums go up
if people use anything. I could find a way to make the premiums go up otherwise.
I think it'll be fine. Yeah, I think it goes up if everybody uses it.
Only if you fill in the form.
Dan has never filled the form. I don't want to cost Linus money.
No, everyone has to fill out the form properly. You can't joke about that, Dan.
Unless you're Linus. No, I fill out the form.
It's extremely important you fill out the form. I have somebody fill out the form.
That sounds more correct. That sounds a lot better.
Delegation. I sign the form. This is management training.
I sign the form. I sign the form. I have a merge message.
If I get a boo-boo, if I get a boo-boo on set, I sign the form.
Okay, yes, Dan. How much is there even to fill out before you sign it?
It's like nothing. You don't even fill it out. You have fans fill out...
No, the issue is that I have to go and find someone
on the safety committee to see it filled out.
It's the whole process of it. I take great joy in it because usually it's Dennis
that's been filling it out for me, and I always enjoy a good little conversation with Dennis.
They have it filled out, and then they bring it to me, and then I sign it, and that way the shoot doesn't have
to be interrupted, and I can just keep filming. That's how it works for everybody.
Is it? He's not special. Oh, well, that's good.
It is the process. That actually sounds like a way smarter process, so that's good.
I don't know how to fill out this form. There's like six boxes.
They could have any information. What am I supposed to put where it says name?
They fill it out for you, yeah.
Where did you get your cut? What were you doing?
Are you filling the bargain one? What's my address? What's my address?
I don't know. It hurts. Here's your Band-Aid that will cost us
an extra thousand a month in premium. My favorite field is how are we going to prevent
this in the future? I have literally written...
I had filled it out for myself a few times,
and I have literally written not do that again.
Does that qualify? Is that good enough? I think so.
If the cause is just that I was stupid,
just general incompetence. If it's your stupid and you've never done this thing before
and you don't need to do it again, then I think, yeah, it's fair to just be like,
well... Don't drill through your hand. Why did you do it in the first place, Luke?
Gosh. I didn't know. Yeah.
It was a learning experience. I didn't know it would hurt. Yeah.
Okay. Sorry, Dan. You wanted us with a merchant?
Yeah. How much electricity did it cost? I had to show a fork in the socket.
I mean, probably more than what was shown in the video
because that didn't... Well, actually, no. I put a year.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
So that's probably about right. Yeah. Well, I don't even remember.
I blocked it. It was like... I blocked it from my mind.
Just for your reference, just so you can re-sear this into your brain.
I believe what the calculator said was like $8,600 Canadian.
That is wild.
I mean... Can you tell him about the Boink project going on right now?
We can take some solace in the fact that this is more useful
than mining a lot of crypto crazy.
So, at least there's that. Or as useful.
Is it? Oh, I see. It's as useful.
I was like... There are equally pointless things that we could have burned fossil fuels for.
What do people use that many just to buy?
Nothing. You don't. You don't.
It's like something... I think what people have been saying is like NASA, in their craziest calculations,
use like 34 digits or something like that. Yeah.
And you can calculate something, something the entire size of the universe.
To an atom. To the size... Yeah.
With like a couple dozen, a few dozen digits of pie or something like that.
That's what the YouTube comments tell me. We know how accurate those are.
Yeah, well. Engineers use like... Yeah.
They just round it to four. They round up.
It's like good enough. Will Schwame, by the way,
made the point better than I possibly could have as to why, no, we are not printing this out.
At line is tech tips. A production printer is rated
for about one million sheets per month. I saw this.
It would literally take 1,000 months to print that,
aka 83 years. No, that sounds like a skill issue.
You clearly just need more printers. Duh.
Yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah, like what about those big newspaper printer machine things?
Have you seen those? Those things rip. Larger paper.
They did network distributed pie calculations.
They could do network distributed printing. Some of the comments on this video really are amazing.
As a mechanic watching this video and trying to understand,
it made me realize what other people hear when I talk about cars.
Literally nothing.
Yeah. That's great.
It's exhausting. I told the girlfriend, yeah, I needed a super...
What? No, no. I needed a supercharger.
It's just an alternator. It's for charging.
It needed that. It makes a noise, a spinny noise, yeah.
Yeah, that's good for it. Yeah, you got it cheap because the bearings are gone.
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
These father and son episodes are so wholesome.
I just think we need to get Linus a supercharger.
Hey, since you're here. Oh boy.
Since you're here, there were some people who had some concerns
about the battery backup. Ah, she's mint. At my place.
She's mint. For now. Yeah, so...
Did I say she's mint yet? I scouted the location.
Oh, please. Yeah. I was going to ask you about this.
Yeah, so we hear you and we actually did want
to put the battery banks outside. Uh-huh.
That was the original plan anyway, but it was a lot easier for the proof of concept.
What is he doing? Which, yeah, he's telling us to move on.
So maybe we'll make this the last thing we chat about and then we'll actually do that.
That's clever. Yeah. Well, he has to deal with a host with ADHD.
You also don't have to listen to it. Or two. It's just a guide.
Yeah. Double your pleasure. Double your fun today.
Hell yeah. One for each hand. So we are aware that it would be better
to have the batteries outside, but we wanted to do this proof of concept
for a couple of reasons. Number one is that I didn't want to go all in
and spend tens of thousands of dollars on something that we would then discover,
you know what, this is actually kind of beyond our scope. He had no faith is the answer.
Yeah. Well, we have bitten off more than we can chew in the past.
I'm just going to say that. Okay. And number two is because Jake needed to do
a smaller scale project so that he can put in
all his tickets at the Christmas party to get the cast off one after I stop using
the initial deployment. I'm just going to borrow it forever. What do you mean?
Alex? Wild. Alex Dick, our logistics manager is going to be like,
thank you, Jake. I really appreciate you for getting this giant thing
out of the warehouse. Just sign it out. Thanks.
100% going to be his answer. I would like for the record to make it very clear
that that is not how that works for any other employees
who are watching this right now. 100%. Only for Jake.
No. That's what Linus is saying. No.
That is not how it works. Yeah. Yeah.
That is not how it works. It's not how it works. That is not how it works.
I... So those are the two reasons for the smaller scale deployment
because Jake wants one and because I didn't want to go
full hog immediately. So good news and bad news.
Which one do you want first? I don't know.
Like I'm not going to listen to your bad news anyway. So just send it. Okay.
Whatever. Yeah. So the good news is I have full faith now
because that deployment actually for all the concerns that people
raised about it. There is a few. Which are kind of valid.
Like, oh, we should have connectors on the things. Like, yes. I know that.
And there should be covers on some of the, you know, high current terminals and stuff.
That's why there is connectors on some of them and not others.
It's because they gave us the wrong size. Okay.
So that's the good news. The bad news is we don't have a straight run from the mech room
to the outside. Wait. No, I didn't.
I already tell, we solved this. This is ADHD. Okay.
Incarnate. Unfortunately by the panel outside.
Yeah. Like where the power comes into the house.
There's not a great spot for it.
Yeah. But we don't need a great spot. We just need a spot.
Oh, no. You don't go down the side of your house.
She doesn't.
Am I wrong? When was the last time you went down the side of your house
before me asking you to go there? To pick blueberries.
So it would have been last August. What?
There's a year. You can work around it. Like in the summer, I go there.
Okay. So like in the summer, I go there. We need to mount the like inverter thingy.
So the original plan was to put it in the mech room and like make a concrete box
or concrete board or something where, you know, you have an hour of it exploded
and put some like fire retardant stuff in there, like whatever, right?
But then we were, Jesus. And then we were like, let's just put everything outside because the inverter
needs to go upstream of the main panel anyway so that we can AC couple the solar to it.
Yeah. So why are we putting it inside? Let's just put everything outside.
So if the inverter is on the side of your house.
Yes. How far are these batteries going to be?
How many iPhones tall is this run going to be?
It's going to be, okay, to get it kind of like out of the way.
It's better be an iPhone. To get it out of the way, it would probably be about 40 iPhones.
It's pretty far. Like batteries from the inverter?
Yeah. Is there like anything we can put it on there or is that, that's dirt?
We're pouring a pad. It's dirt.
Or we'll ask for a pad and instead we'll get large gravel.
It's strawberry plants. That's 19.2 feet.
Wow. Wait, what iPhones? Are we talking Pro Max's?
What are you, what are you comparing against? iPhone 12, 14.
Okay. Sorry. How many iPhone 13 minutes?
Let's go with that. This is, wait, this is in your backyard or is this still on the side of the house?
On the side of the house. How do you care about the plants on the side of the house?
Well, I mean, they're strawberries. Like they, you know, the kids like them, they eat strawberries there.
You know, like kids do. This is going to be like, kids eat strawberries.
It's going to be a monumentally larger, monumentally.
Yeah. Sure. Larger project.
Yeah. And I'm, I got to confess. This is like hundreds of kilograms of batteries.
I'm not super stoked on like the size of it.
This is like pallets of batteries. Yes, I know.
I know, Jake. Yeah. Did you tell them?
Not trivial. No, I don't think so.
Oh, well, we, what we were talking about was like 200 kilowatt hours.
Yeah. So the idea was that we could use a thousand.
Wait, I can show them. I can show them for 200 hours.
So literally if we were using the house normally, we could be down for like three days.
Okay. Four days. Hold on.
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
So I think that we're just talking about tens of thousands of dollars, but we're not actually talking about hundreds of
thousands of dollars. Surprisingly. Sure.
Does that sound like, does this, this sounds like something that would cost like 150,000.
Yeah. That sounds quite reasonable. Am I crazy.
That's like a lot of power. Yeah, no, it, it sounds like the kind of thing that if we went and we got it, you know, quoted
properly, that they would want like hundreds of thousands of dollars for, but it's, it's actually.
How do I do this? Less than you'd think. How do I do?
Here, I got you. Oh, Luke Lap, like laptop.
Yeah, not like lap-premiere. Why is there a lap cam? Luke Lap-premiere.
That's it, that costs extra per month. This is when after dark. Okay, so this is,
EVE is one of the major Chinese LFP battery manufacturers.
This is like one of their newer models. It's 314 amp hours at 3.2 volts.
It's roughly one kilowatt hour. This cell, if you buy between 100 and 2000 of them,
is 60 US dollars. Yeah. Before, obviously before shipping,
obviously before tariffs, if you're in the US, I'm so sorry.
Get tricked. But what if we buy 50,000 pieces? So what if we bought 250 of them times 60?
It's 15 grand. Yeah. For 250 kilowatt hours.
Which is a lot of money. A lot of money. But.
That's a lot of money. That's like, how much is a power, like a Tesla powerwall? That is a freaking-
Hold on. Does the bulk of this car get any better?
No, right? Yeah, when you buy 500,000.
Okay. So a powerwall is only 13 and a half kilowatt hours.
And how much does it cost? 16 grand. Something like, I forget.
I forget how much they're, they're freaking expensive though. Oh, cause you gotta get an install. But that includes the inverter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it includes more. This is just raw power.
We actually still need to do the install. We still need an inverter.
So something we, like inverter-wise- Like this is no BMS. Are we planning to just like-
Oh, hey, cool. Are we planning to just weld these together or like-
No, it'll be like a bus bar situation. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is actually not getting bad.
The Vero BMS, that thing's super cool, right? That was built for car swaps, Tesla swaps specifically.
You know, say what you will about that guy.
But their batteries are very useful for EV swapping vehicles.
All right, that's where I'm going with this. Sure.
They made a new thing called, I think it's called like the Vero node.
Oh, let me look it up. He'll figure it out. Yeah, okay, it's not out yet.
But they made a, here's our DIY balance board
that hooks up to the main thing. So you buy these and then I think they support like,
I don't want to say a number because I don't know, but like 15 cells or something like that.
And so you, they're 150 bucks. You buy, their website is down.
I wonder why that is. Way to go Wansho. Thanks, Wansho.
I hadn't even opened it yet. Like what the- They're quick.
Yeah, you said it so fast. They're too quick. Yeah, just the last thing you want to do is like,
talk about a funny domain that's available or whatever because they're like, they're on it.
Okay, so 16 cells in series, which if I remember correctly, 16 times 3.2,
I think that's the optimal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So about 40 equals.
So 16 is how many, usually how you want in series. So we would need one of these for each series set.
So you're talking like a few grand in BMS nodes.
You're talking like the inverters get way more expensive.
The one we used for this project was the EG4 6K XP, whatever.
But that was sized for like the racks.
And some, but like not for the house. So this is 18 kilowatts in one box and it's seven grand.
Yeah. So it's almost, it kind of scales almost linearly,
to be honest. Yeah. They also have a cool one called like the grid boss,
I think it's called. The grid boss. Oh, flex boss.
The grid box is like the integration thing. This is the bigger one.
And to be clear, there are also like, there's other companies that make these.
The EG4 one worked pretty good. You can power your neighborhood, dude.
Yeah. I don't know that we will for sure use this,
but this is something that they said that they had and that was cool.
We might need to use like two or three though. It really depends,
because you were telling me you wanted to be able to charge your car off of this.
Like you talking charging your car at full rate?
Cause that's like, that's a few. I don't think I would,
I don't think I would expect to actually charge my car off it. That seems stupid.
I mean, That seems pretty dumb. What is it? With that said, now,
you could charge your car off. Is it a 30 amp or? Very little.
I think it's a 30 amp, yes. But is that actually the charge rate?
Like it's a 40? No, it's pretty weak. I like got the wrong ones, basically.
I asked for a specific one and then the contractors ordered a different one
from the same company. And I was like, yo, that's not what I asked for.
Oh, I know which one you have. It's the dual head one. Yeah, it's the dual head one,
but they have a different one that would do full speed off of one head.
But this one is the cheaper one that only does half speed off of each one.
Oh, it's this one. It's the Sun Country one, right? Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, okay. So it's like 40 amps total, but when you're charging two cars,
you get 16 amps each. So this is a 7.7 kilowatt.
Yeah. This is the one. It actually takes like a minute
to charge my car. I mean, to be fair for your use case, it's probably fine. It's totally fine.
But we could get some, we could get some ubiquity EV stations. Yeah, I've been, I'll do it eventually.
I don't know if there's CSA approved yet. That could be a thing. That could be a problem.
But anyways, so that's- These are hardwired. This is not that much though.
No, no, well, it's not that much in terms of like the rate of charge,
but just having batteries in your yard
so that you can charge the batteries in your car feels a little silly.
Well, it is. Right. You are, yes.
Yes. Okay, I'm glad we got there. All right, so anyway.
What are we supposed to be talking about? We're supposed to be doing merge messages, so.
Wait, I wanna do one. I've never done this before. Oh my God, this guy, he's like,
he doesn't even wanna go. I gotta go on a flight too. Oh yeah, right.
Have you never done a WAN? Not in a long time, brother.
Like Christmas, years ago. And nobody does WAN anymore.
Yeah, we're on the streak, so. Introverted boys over here.
Yeah, so have you packed? Dude, I did all my laundry yesterday.
I'm proud. Usually I'm doing laundry at 11 p.m. the night before.
Nice. Yeah, I mean. It's pretty good actually. I know.
Yesterday too. Wow. Actually, I don't wanna, I'm good.
I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. You were sick, you got me sick.
You know what I said? I'm gonna be so mad if you got me sick. I'm like sniffily now, and it's your fault.
Why did I touch you? Why would I touch you? I got it for a turn of center.
Nobody else I know is sick, and I've barely been around anyone else other than you,
and you were like actively sniffily. Oh boy. It's your fault.
All right, well, that's possible. All right, fine. I've logged in to the thing.
I'll explain merch messages. I'll just hack Luke's account here, hold on.
Merch messages are the way to interact with the show,
and we've got some pretty exciting reasons
to send a merch message. It worked. We have, that's right my friends,
our biggest t-shirt expansion ever.
Is it tall? We have three fantastic, hold on, I'm getting to it.
We have three fantastic new colors,
sky, forest, and chocolate. This right here is sky, this is forest,
and this is chocolate. Excuse me? I'm just messing with them.
And you can get all of these new colors as a short sleeve.
Oh, that is long. Or a long sleeve. You can get them in regular,
and you can get them in tall sizing. Wow.
Let's go. Look at his arms. Let's go.
This is a medium. Look at his arms. I'm six foot two. Hey.
That is crazy. Yeah. Look, I'm repping the brand.
On top of that, we added tall sizing and long sleeve options
for our core colors, black, and olive. So there's a whole lot of new t-shirts
that you can now get at LMG.gg slash t-shirt.
Check it out, boys. Let's go. Man, we've got some mileage at LMG.gg.
That domain is like 60 bucks a year. It's affordable.
I know, that's a lot. Is it? Domains cost $8.
I don't know how much domains cost. I don't know. What could it cost, Michael?
$10. Yeah, but literally it cost $10.
Nobody commented about that. OK, we also have to announce we have pre-tariff pricing
on MCM at lttstore.com, the US version.
So we have pre-tariff pricing on individual magnetic cable
management components this week. And if you were wondering, global customers,
you already have pre-tariff pricing when converted to USD. In fact, it's actually a little bit cheaper than that.
So you can shop now at LMG.gg slash MCM.
Check them out. There you go.
Anyway, as for what you can do with that purchase,
when you add it to your cart, you can leave a merge message. It'll be a little box, and it'll go to producer Dan,
there he is, who will curate your message for me and Luke.
Also, he's here this week for some reason. For me and Luke, or he will respond to it himself,
or forward it to someone who will address it later.
So Dan, do we have a couple of merge messages so you can show the people how they work?
I do. I've got one here from Lanky Person.
Yeah, lots of blank, tall sizes. Why hello, LLD.
As a recently diagnosed ADHD person, what are some of the pros or cons you all
find about both having and working with an ADHD person?
Well, working with. Luke, why don't you answer that one? What's it like working with an ADHD person?
All three of us. You guys saw it earlier, where he was like,
oh, we're not going to be able to get too far of a run.
And then it's like, no, we're putting it outside.
Luke, do you have an answer? He disconnected for a second.
He might just be ignoring it. Maybe he doesn't want to anymore. Frankly, I couldn't blame him.
It's cool because you can. His mic's not working.
Oh, bummer. It's a superpower, and it is also your worst nightmare
at the same time. I mean, you being the person that's asking,
I'm sure you're aware of this. You can focus so hard when you're in the zone,
but when you're not in the zone, you cannot focus on,
does that button work? How do I do it? Maybe.
Is it going to be a problem if it doesn't work? I don't know. That's right. Do it, do it.
What was I even going to say? See that? That is what it is.
And you don't get to pick when you're focused. Exactly.
And you also don't get to pick when you stop focusing,
which is also bad. That would be a great superhero.
Has anyone ever done that as a superhero gimmick, where they like.
Focus man. Like they can't pick when their powers are active and not.
Well, you kind of seen that when like Spider-Man's learning. It's like when you play Baldur's Gate with wild magic on.
And his hands just like stick to things. And he's like, ah, I can't remove my hand from stuff.
Is Luke doing that thing when you're working from home
and you're like on a meeting? Is he just looping?
Yeah. Is he not even there? It's like AI Luke.
Can you hear us? I don't think he knows that. I don't know what's going on.
Here, let's indicate that we're talking to him. Hi, Luke.
Hello, Luke. Can you see us?
Is he frozen? No, he's not. Are you sure?
Yeah. Are we getting mean stuff right now? No.
Luke. OK. Are you there? Yeah, I think he's OK.
I think he's going to be OK. What?
I would say the biggest challenge is managing the bursty productivity.
Yeah. And I mean that both for myself and for unnamed people
on our team who also are somewhat neurodivergent.
Because you'll run into a situation where,
and like back when I was a much more integral part
of the video pre-production timeline or pipeline,
I would have this issue where two out of the five days
of the work week, I would get realistically everything done.
And then the other three, I'd be all over the place.
But on the other hand, it can also
be a superpower during those times. Because it's like this endless fountain of creativity.
And you can push a bunch of little projects going
and start a bunch of little fires and see what burns. And then you can hyper-focus and finish
the other ones, but then also getting something finished,
finished is really hard. Oh, man.
I have so many things like I feel like I want to say. Because in my world, I have noticed
since becoming the starting medication for this condition
has been an interesting experience. Because I feel like I start way more things than I used to.
Before, I would get the procrastination of,
I don't know if I can do this. So I'm just not even going to start.
I fail before I even get there.
So now I try, and I start doing something. And then, oh, man, I feel like I can just
show a photo of this. My desk, maybe I'll just show you.
Yeah, I can probably just show that on the show, right? Yeah, you can just send it to Dan.
See that? Can I just hold it in front of the camera? No, you've got to send it to Dan.
How do I send it to you, Dan? Teams. Teams. Oh, gross.
Luke, Luke should be back now. See if you can follow closely. Yes.
Nice. Welcome back. This is going to happen again, just as a warning.
It's not my fault. Hopefully we can recover faster next time.
Now we know. OK, I sent you a photo, Dan. Hopefully there's nothing incriminating in there.
I will. Oh, lordy. It's fine. It's like my desk.
Yeah, it's OK. Nothing important's ever leaked on WAN before.
Is there anything NDA on here? No, I think it's probably fine.
I think it's fine. There's a couple 3D printers. It's a vibe. You'll get the vibe immediately, though.
Whoop. There you go. OK, so this was my office yesterday.
Nice. Oh, no, you didn't get into a cleaning frenzy zone, did you?
Oh, yeah, I did. I cleaned my. I'll show you the after photo, too.
No, see, the second I saw that. Wait, you put it away. I was going to describe things.
OK, so. The second I saw that, I was like, you did the thing.
You were up late tidying, weren't you? No, actually, it was during.
Jake Tidy. It was the lights were still on. You can see this thing right here.
Is that like a dad joke bell? Yeah. Is it a real bell? Yeah.
That's impressive. It gives him dopamine. How did you like ADHD?
Oh, because you like Amazon ordered it. Wow, we're on the show.
That right there, that black thing is like a dry box for the 3D printer that's down here.
Nice. I printed it before that I had the 3D printer. It is still sitting in parts on my desk.
Now it is sitting in parts beside the 3D printer. Ready to go for something I will never put together.
Nice. The Prusa XL on the other side, I 3D printed an enclosure for it.
The Plexiglas I ordered from China is sitting in my closet.
And so are the rest of the parts for the enclosure that I will definitely put together at some point.
Those bins, they're all supposed to like on the bottom, the filament serves, they're all supposed to have
like little things in it to like pass the filament through. They don't.
I've had them for like two years. So these are all things I've started.
If you could see under the pile, there's like a BMW manual
clutch pedal, I was going to make a short throw one. I feel like this was legit.
I 3D scanned it. This is ADHD though. This could very well be my workspace.
I love that you had the intent of having a pegboard wall.
Oh yeah. And you have one tool on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's like that. That is classic.
That's lower accurate, yeah. That is classic. That's the cannon.
By the way, I think your carpool mate is waiting for you.
Do you want me to leave right now? You're vibing.
OK, cool. Speaking of carpool, you see the cars up there?
Yeah. All right. Oh, those are tough.
But anyways, it's like I start more things. So that's cool, but also I don't finish as many.
That actually transitions us pretty well into something
that Luke and I need to talk about. Because what will happen first?
Will Luke complete Final Fantasy 6? Or will I finish painting my bike race?
Has been heating up. Hard.
Dude, you've been painting that bike. It was a cold war for a long time. Yeah.
And now it's guns are blazing. Dude, you started that before the Pi project, I'm pretty sure.
And that took ages.
Did that work? I really hope that worked. Yeah, I get to hear it because I'm monitoring differently.
So I will say this.
Do we want to talk about that later? Why don't we get to your merge message? We'll get to your merge message.
You told me it looks. Well, it's complicated.
OK, you know what? Let's talk about it now. Let's talk about it now.
Here we go. Dan. Yes, I did. I'm sending you a little video.
Sending you a little video. What even is this show anymore? Is there supposed to be topics?
There are topics. There's more than one. I'll tell you that. Have we done topics yet?
You've did one, I think. We did one. You've been talking about Powerwall and Garbage for an hour.
It's not Garbage. It's going to be quality. I hope. It's going to be quality.
What's the worst that could happen is house burns down. We'll just build another one.
That's what I was going to say. We'll build new children. That's content.
Yeah, it's fun. The cats is what I was concerned about. OK, so I got to the point where all the parts that
needed to be pink were pink.
I had two little drips. Two little drips.
You can show the second one first, Dan. But you know how to fix the drips, right?
Well, here's the problem. Because it's a combination of things.
Because I'm ambitious slash foolhardy sometimes.
See, I don't have the same issue with not starting things. I start things.
That's not a problem. But sometimes I start things that are too big.
Can I just say before you continue? I know exactly where you're going to go with this.
And I'm just I want to write it down. But it's in my brain. I just want you to know that I've acknowledged this.
I know where this is about to go. And I really hope that it's the same place.
OK, that was a little early, Dan. Go ahead. You're doing great, though.
OK, now I really know where this is going. So I have no problem starting things.
But sometimes I am a little too ambitious. So it's a combination of that.
And I think I, realistically, probably got some bad advice at some stage in the paint selection
process, because I ended up with a, let's see, 1, 2, 3,
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11.
Anywhere from about an 11 to a 12 layer paint.
That is a lot of layers. Yeah, so we got two primer.
Like different kinds of primer or the same primer? The same primer. Yeah, OK.
Two of a solid base, a white. And that is all easy.
Getting it primed and white, no problem.
But I have, then after that, a candy.
And candy is tough. Can you clarify how many coats are supposed to be on this?
Because for about 11 to 12. For the end, OK, so this is right.
So for the uninitiated, some of the complicated paint coats can be like, here you throw down a base coat of a certain
color, and then a color coat. And then you have a pearl coat.
And then you have clear coat. Or maybe you have tinted clear coat. Wow, there's a lot of stages.
Yeah. So I have. This is one of those. So the four of the primer and then the base color,
four to five, realistically, to get really good coverage with the white, because it doesn't cover very well
once you get it reduced for the gun.
So that's easy. You get a nice even color. If I were to just paint my bike white, OK,
and just clear coat that, I would have been done ages ago.
But the pink. The pink candy is a nightmare to get even.
And I picked the hardest possible thing to paint with it.
Because if I was doing a hood of a car, that's easy.
Relatively speaking. I think you would have a lot of paint people that would also
say a flat surface is easy, but also hard.
Sure. It's easier to fix the scrubs that you will inevitably have.
A multifaceted three-dimensional piece
with nowhere to frickin' hold it. And all these different tiny little surfaces
is really hard to get even. And I finally, and wheels.
Yeah, I was just going to say, wait till you try wheels. OK.
I have progress, though. I have progress on the wheels. But anyway, hold on.
First, Dan, bring up the picture. I had two little drips.
Two little drips in the pink. And I actually found a technique to fix them.
Fixing candy? You read online, they say it's impossible. And it's basically impossible.
But I found a technique that actually worked. You can kind of see it in the very bottom right.
Where it was a little bit too big to work on this one. But I almost fixed that spot.
Are you talking about the part where all the paint is missing? No, no, no. In the very, very bottom right of the gray part.
Which part? I don't know, Dan. Could you have a mouse cursor?
Can you even? I'm trying. Whatever. There's a little spot that almost has kind of a little white
out there. I think I see it. So basically, what happened there was we kind of peeled it back
and then masked around and then used a little airbrush
for doing those temp tattoos. Little airbrush, got it on there.
What was the defect? Was this like a dust nib? Oh, it was an awful drip.
I don't even know where it came from. Oh, a drip. Yeah. So it was like purple.
Like it went on so heavy, it was like purple in that spot. So we got it off, managed to put that on.
It wouldn't have looked great, but it would have been passable for the level of quality that I've resigned to at this point.
And this is pre-clear coat. But yeah. But when I went to pull the masking tape off,
it ripped that whole strip off. So Dan, do you want to bring up the video?
That shouldn't have happened. I don't think that was supposed to happen.
Not even a little. I don't think your paint is bonded very well. Well, I can tell you that the white is bonded real good
to the primer because this is how long it took to get the white
off the primer. It doesn't look like anything's coming out.
Oh, it's coming out. Oh yeah, you can see it. Wow, it's really on there.
On the entire front fairing piece of my bike,
it took like four and a half hours. Oh.
So I was at the point where everything was pink coated,
and then this happened. The good news is this piece is now white, needs to be sanded,
white one more time, and then I'm ready to paint it pink again, and I'm not going to get a drip on it this time.
And Jake, I figured out wheels. What do you mean?
My wheels look like butt right now. Yeah.
So I'm re-white coating them. But we finally found a technique.
So in order to get the candy on there even, we made this.
Dan, you can move that. Who is we? Yvonne's been helping me a little bit.
So we roped her into this. Yeah, we took my drill, and then we
took a bunch of rolls of tape, like small ones that fit in the big ones, and basically made like a spinny wheel
on it. And so she basically watches for a landmark
as it turns around and is like, OK, three, two, one, go.
And I start spraying. And then she's like, OK, three, two, one, go.
And I move it off. And it's like, this is spinning the wheel, right?
Yeah, while she's spinning it with the drill, with like a big tape roll thing on it.
So I actually 3D printed a thing recently because I bought new wheels.
Of course. Yeah, because I wanted to ceramic coat them. Of course, the both of those.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I 3D printed a thing so I could spin the wheel
while I was ceramic coating it and then proceeded to not use it.
I just, I have it. If you're only doing a solid color, it doesn't matter.
It's not that hard. But if you are, if you're doing a candy
and I'm not even going for the whole thing, one solid candy.
So I'm doing a pink stripe. You know, they make like candy powder coating too, right?
Yeah, well, I didn't do that. And it would have been stronger and cheaper and.
They wouldn't have matched, though. What? If you did all of them.
Yeah, but it's not just the candy. There's the two layers of candy and then there's the two layers of pearl.
Yeah, well, it wouldn't have been the exact same thing. But it would have been pretty nice.
It probably would have been better overall, to be honest. This is great.
Also, Beltrick says, just pay a professional, Mr. Millionaire.
That is not the point. What would I even do if I just paid people to do things?
What would I do? What would I do? That comment bothered so many people.
I responded to it. Somebody else in chat responded to it.
You responded to it. We're all just like, what? No. That is not the point.
So is the point that you should have just left it?
Oh, just like left it silver? No, we'll left the fact. Oh, 100% should have done that.
The drip. Could you not?
Because I've seen people do drip repairs before.
I've seen techniques where they fill the surround with Bondo
and then sand it down so that you're sanding down the Bondo on the outside
and not ruining the rest of it. I've seen techniques where they just strip everything down and do it again.
I've seen it where they cut it with a knife, right? So I basically did the knife thing.
But the only issue is that when I peeled it up, it hadn't cured enough yet.
It was too fresh. That was bare metal, wasn't it? Because no, no, that was primer.
So I did the same thing on my tank and the tank worked.
Did you actually can't find the spot on the tank? Did you not like sand enough between the primer and the top coat?
So let's see, that was on the...
Was it too long between? Too little between?
I think it could have been too long between the primer coat.
But I think it was just mostly that it hadn't been long enough
since I did the pink on the white.
Well, when this is done, I think it would be really fun for us to polish it.
Oh, God. I want you and me, we should polish it.
No, we should. It'll be fun. It'll make it look so much better. Dude.
You have to polish it after, otherwise, it's just not going to look good.
You're going to get rid of all the dust nibs and stuff? Yeah, you actually do. You actually need to.
Yeah, that's going to look like crap. That's like requirement, even if you clear coat it. Yeah.
I mean, usually when a body shop polishes stuff after they paint it,
it looks like crap, like we fix so many like body shop tried to polish a car.
Oh, yeah. I have enough hours in this project that for you to say anything that sounds
anything like more hours is just going to make me instantly recoil.
It'll only take a couple days. You should right now just put everything in a bin and go to a powder coating shop.
All your problems. That's what I'm going to do with my wheels. I'm not going to bother.
Can you powder coat plastic? I don't know. I'm not aware of that.
I mean, that piece you were looking at was plastic. So yeah, you're going to try candy.
I should probably. That's that's. Oh, OK. That's that's part of the nightmare of painting a bike is that I have steel
pieces, aluminum pieces and plastic pieces and they're going to be seven
different colors, even though he painted a traditional powder coating.
Does not work on plastic. I think I would melt.
You have to bake it. I think I've seen plastic, fancy plastic powder coat stuff.
Yeah, I'm sure I do. There's enough material science these days.
I'm sure somebody figured something out. Anyway, drive, drive safe industrial methods seem to something, something,
whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Powder coating is cool, though. Anyways, goodbye. Drive safe.
See you later, Luke. Bye. See a Linus, I guess.
Yeah, he he never acknowledges me when I tell him to drive safe.
Oh, no, I usually say I won't. I also say the same thing to my mom and she doesn't like it.
No, she wouldn't. Neither do I. Yeah, yeah.
See you later. So this time this time he crosses the camera.
Do you know you figured it out that is better to just quickly go that way
than to painstakingly make his way across over here.
So I have updates as well. No, he's back.
Oh, oh. You later. Jeez, OK.
OK, so how's your OK? So hold on, I should probably give the update.
So all but that piece that need to be pink are pink, but they still need two
more pearl coats and then two to three clear coats before I can actually
like drop anything off for reassembly with the shop.
So you definitely can't finish before 2 a.m.
Are you going to be done today? No, but you're going to be leaving the country.
Oh, yeah. Thus away from your bike.
Yes. And luckily, my project is portable.
Yeah. OK, all right. How many how many of the party have you reassembled in the world of ruin?
I'm in the world of ruin. OK, but just barely.
Oh, but I still think I still think I'm going to beat you.
OK, I'm going to beat you. OK, I still think I'm going to beat you.
Yeah, I. The reason why it's not that good is because I also had a progress issue.
Oh, no, I lost a save.
Oh, what? How do you lose a save? You're playing on steam.
I genuinely have no idea. I have no idea.
What? How much did you lose? Something happened with quite a bit.
Something happened with Cloud Sync.
I like I, you know, I pre-installed it on my laptop.
I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. I pre-installed it on my laptop
because I knew a fair amount of playtime while I was on the strip was going to be offline.
This is Final Fantasy six. Because as it'll inflate, plain chat.
So I, yeah, I installed it like at my house ahead of time.
Cloud synced everything before I left. And then on the plane, I loaded it up and it was like.
Way earlier than where I was, like, like many hours lost.
Oh, no. Which usually, like I have quit games over that before.
Like just fully, just whatever. I'm like, no, forget it.
I'm out. Yeah, that's it. But this is a challenge, a competition of sorts.
I almost quit Final Fantasy Tactics over an issue like that.
Yeah, I've done this many times. Yeah, I got to the, I got to the notorious fight
where if you don't happen to build Ramza correctly,
you literally can't win it. And I, I ended up, I thought I had lost like 10 hours,
but I had only lost like three or four. So I, so I stuck it out, but I was so mad.
I was so mad. I think we've, every gamer has probably felt that.
And it's just like the rage to how much this matters ratio
is probably the highest out of anything that I've ever experienced. Because at the end of the day, it's a video game.
Oh, it's so it doesn't matter at all. But the rage is so high.
So that was, that was me like
probably an hour into my flight because I didn't pull up the laptop immediately.
You know, I kind of got settled. You have to wait for the the belt thingy to the buckle thingy
to the light to go off, all that kind of stuff. I finally get the laptop. I load it up and I just stare at it for a while,
thinking like there's got to be some way to fix this, right? And like, obviously, no.
Livin says, just grind to level Eryth, she'll be great later in the game.
Yeah. So, yeah, so I I pushed really hard.
I was for some context, it went so far back, I had no espers.
Like I lost multiple saves worth and I don't understand
what at all what happened. Oh, that's wild. Like, I don't know.
But that's a long time ago on the one flight.
Because I've now I've done this. So now I know what I'm doing.
I know where I'm going, those types of things.
I realize that the some of the things in the game are very weird.
Like some of Sabin's stuff scale off of magic,
even though he's like a martial arts guy and stuff like that.
Oh, yeah. Things things are just kind of odd. But now I know those things.
So I just got into like a way more experienced run than go mode.
And I got to past where I was before on the one flight,
which is like wildly compressed before compared to before.
And I'm I'm kind of flying.
I'm I'm much more knowledgeable now on like, you know, checking for
weaknesses and hitting things with the right magic and stuff like that.
So like the the fight to get to the floating continent.
It's blitzed through it. Oh, it was ridiculous.
Yeah, it ended up being so easy. Like, I think you commented last time we talked about this,
you commented about how the Pixel remasters too easy, I think you said. Yeah, I get to that fight with Ultras and
whatever his big buddy is, whatever. Yeah, something or something.
I think I like two shot Ultras.
Like just OK, so you're like you're like super overpowered now then.
I'm jacked. Yeah. All right.
And like, I'm doing better about like making sure that I'm min maxing.
OK, how many having the right Esper on the right person when they level up to gain the bonus.
How many characters do you have in the world of ruin?
Oh, no, no key suggested a poll, Dan, do it, do it.
Whether Luke will finish Final Fantasy 6 or I will finish painting the SV 650.
Sure, give me one second. Now, hold on a second, hold on, we got to define completion here.
Is Luke allowed to like look up guides when he gets to the world of ruin?
Or does he use the paper manual?
I think.
Paper manual is all I had when I was a kid.
I feel like it's got to be paper, but you're getting help from a Vaughn.
Not much for what it's worth.
And I'm there working on it every time. I will say I am completely down with whatever judgment comes here.
OK, and I'm totally fine with paper, man. Honestly, no, let's do paper manual.
Is my completion complete when I finish painting it
or when the shop assembles the bike?
I feel like when are you going to let your beard grow up?
When I'm done painting, not when the shop finishes assembly.
No, no, no, I'll do when I'm done. When I'm done painting, I'm done like I don't need the mask anymore.
Then personally, I think it's paint. OK, I'm making this harder for myself.
I'm saying paper manual and you can just finish when you're painting. But I think both of those things make sense as much as I'm some people are saying
they think I should be OK, just for to catch you guys up.
The the bet is whether Luke will finish Final Fantasy 6,
a game that I've been bugging him to play basically since we met, because it was like my favorite childhood game, even though I have realized
in also playing through the Pixel remaster at the same time as him,
because I got it in my head at some point that I was going to be super ambitious and both finish Final Fantasy 6 and paint my bike in the time it took him to finish it.
Anyway, that's not happening. Or if I will finish painting my motorcycle,
which has been an ongoing project for, I think, about two years now.
Oh, OK, I'm going to look at the results.
I'm ready to see the results. I'm kind of afraid to look at the results.
OK, I'm looking at the results.
Who will finish first? Come on.
Move it over. Sorry, sorry, I'll move it. I'll move it. Normally, with this question, you think it'd be the other way around.
But 80 percent. Yeah.
Wow. Three kids, buddy.
Three kids. Yeah, exactly.
Get that other pull out of there. We all know they all use Firefox.
Jeez. Well, you know what? You know what, haters, I'm going to go home tonight and I'm going to pack
and I'm going to do some sanding. Yeah, sure.
How how much? Because I know no way when
when honestly, when the when the ship flying thing was happening,
when I was getting to the floating continent. Yeah, I thought the game was ending.
This is the final fantasy.
I suppose you imagine that the final boss only has two phases, right?
Yeah, I have no idea. The only other final fantasy I've played through is eight and with eight
I played it through on PC. So you had all the discs. So you kind of knew, right?
Like there's more content coming, right?
When. When I when I hit floating continent, I was like, oh,
OK, I guess there's more to this.
There's a lot more to it. Yeah, I kind of got that vibe.
I also started kind of mulling over like, all right, well,
there's like a level cap and stuff at my level is not very high.
I don't know if you're expected to hit the level cap because I'm like, I don't know, I can't like Pokemon.
You're not at all. OK, cool. Yeah, no, not even a little.
Do you remember what the stakes are of this bet? No, he's asking.
Are there stakes? I don't even remember. It was so long ago that I literally cannot remember the
circumstances of us making this bet. I don't think there was. It was just sort of like.
Honor underestimate how hard we will try.
It was a friendly handshake kind of bragging rights type of thing.
Yeah. Yeah, I don't honestly. I got so focused on who says maybe we should vote again
after hearing you talk about how you thought the game was over
and you're at the halfway mark. Well, I'm not looking stuff up.
I'm trying to like and honestly, it hit a lull there the last time I was playing.
Yeah, it's cooking again. The game's fun again right now.
How many characters do you have in the world of Ruin?
I'd have to load it up. OK, you have more than one, though.
Do you have you have Tara? Yeah, yeah. Oh, OK, you're OK.
You're moving pretty good, then he's moving pretty good, boys.
I will say that I definitely hit a lull again
to the point where I just like haven't played it again after where we are.
Oh, yeah, OK. With most of the party, I mean, the game is long.
It's such a long game. It makes sense that there'd be multiple lull points.
The only thing I'm not really enjoying right now is that it feels like it has a man.
It's a great game. I need to be very clear about that before I complain about anything.
It's fantastic. But if I played this game at like the same time that you did,
this would probably be in my like top three all time. I'm not even I'm not surprised.
It is good. It has an edge perfectly.
Yeah, and I think one of the things that has made it not age perfectly
is it came from an era where people would like in a review of a game,
people would include the estimated completion time.
And if it was too short, they'd complain. People would rate it lowly.
And you know what? Which was dumb. Dude, that is something we never touch on when we discuss the cost of games over time.
Because back when we were buying games for 60, 70 US dollars,
but it was the mid 90s, games were fucking expensive.
Like, I don't think I knew anyone as a kid who had more than like half a dozen games in their library for a given console.
So your game needed to be long so you could get a lot of value. By the time you had five games, you had literally spent more than you spent
on the console and controllers on the game titles, right?
Like that was the dynamic.
Whereas now we treat games like they're just disposable, you know?
Like, oh, yeah, I tried that game. I didn't really like it. I like I played it for too long to get a steam refund.
So like whatever. But it was eight dollars in the steam summer sale.
So who cares? Yeah, you know, yeah, it's a totally different mentality.
You know, like having more than four or five games was pretty surprising.
So remember, people would do a lot of trade ins and stuff back then, too, because things are so expensive. Oh, no.
Or you trade with your buddies or whatever. People say you'll love Expedition 33.
Yeah, I I'm not going to play it right now
because I need to finish fantasy six. But I wish listed it because it looks really cool.
Yeah, I think you got time, Luke. I haven't I haven't finished rewinding the wheels yet.
After I do that, I have to pink the wheels. After I do that, I have to mask the wheels.
Then I have to black them. Then I have to clear coat them.
And I was I was legitimately worried you're going to be done on this show.
Dude, it has to start again. Dude, no.
And and the scariest part of the whole thing is still coming
because the frame, which I did pink ages ago, I never did the pro on.
So it's been sitting there for about a year with just pink on it.
So I have to clean it. I have to tack cloth it and then I have to.
Oh, my God, I hope I succeed at this.
Do my very first pearl coat. I haven't purled anything yet.
So there's plenty of time for me to screw up and have to go back to square one on any number of different parts.
Like I am I am many, many, many hours from completion on this.
Yeah, I pulls just about the one thing I'm kind of noticing is just the.
The kind of like I gain 15 points in the polls, though.
Sorry, I'm listening. The time wasty bits.
Oh, the grind. The grind. And I mean, that's that's a classic.
You're coming up on some grindtastic parts.
I'll tell you that much. Like some of the spells that have like one X growth rate and stuff.
Oh,
I'm being a little bit more intentional about like.
Trying to actually use the espers to learn spells and back to the completion thing.
Does he have to get the whole party together?
And I'm not even talking about like optional characters like go go and you,
Mario, I'm talking does he have to get the world of balance cast back together?
Or can he just like try to take on Kefka's tower with like eight?
People are saying any percent. They say any percent. You can do whatever you want.
Almost everybody's saying no or any percent.
But interesting to be. There's no way it's going to play a game like that.
That's hilarious. There's I know this man too well. I already knew the answer before I asked the question.
There's absolutely no way. No shot.
Well, it was the answer. There's no way you're not going to get the whole team back together.
There's just no way because I was going to say, I'm probably going to do it anyway.
A huge part of what makes this game so special is the ensemble cast and you kind
of get attached to them. He's not going to not go get fucking shadow.
Like you got to be kidding me. You saved shadow, right?
Of course. Oh, good. I thought he was going to say who.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, that's so funny.
I got a little freaked out about it. I I did I did do a little worried save.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was like, I don't know if this like he might
actually just die, but I'm happy that he doesn't.
Yeah. So I thought I'm going to I'm I'm the whole chat said any percent or no.
But honestly, I'm I'm going to go get everyone. So it doesn't really make a difference for me because I'm planning on trying to get everybody.
I didn't actually that was a mine. I don't care to be clear, but that's a minor spoiler
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We haven't talked about the VPN firm that canceled lifetime subscriptions
because, and I quote, they didn't know about them.
This is amazing. Source is ours, Technica.
My jaw just about hit the floor when I was reading this.
In March of this year, VPN secure customers began complaining online about
lifetime subscriptions no longer working.
Lifetime subscription holders then began receiving emails that stated
lifetime deal accounts had been deactivated as of April 28th.
An email posted on Reddit notes that VPN secure has been acquired by new ownership
in 2023 in an asset only deal.
So this new owner acquired the technology domain and customer database, but
not the liabilities. That is a direct quote.
What? Glorious. The new ownership claims that the previous owner did not disclose that thousands
of LTDs or lifetime deals had been sold through platforms like stack social.
And they stated that they only discovered the lifetime deal accounts month
later after finding that their resources were being strained by LTD customers who
provided no sustaining income to the service.
Too bad. When you acquire a company, you get, okay, hold on.
VPN secure sent out an additional email this week reiterating that the acquisition
was an asset only deal. Don't you understand?
It was an asset only deal. And after we reviewed six to 12 months of VPN secure's previous financials before
the purchase, the listing, profit and loss statements and communications never
mentioned these lifetime deals. Yeah. But you see the P and L if you see the profit and loss, then what are we even
talking about here? If it was an asset only deal, it should have quite literally
canceled all subscriptions. Well, yeah, then you should have no, you can't have it both ways.
You can't have the monthly subscriptions, but not the lifetime deal. You don't get to pick which customers you acquired VPN secure has offered
affected users, discounted new subscriptions of $1.87 a month instead of
$9.95 $19 for a year instead of $80 or $55 for three years instead of $107
until the end of May. Here's a suggestion.
How about you not buy anything from a company that treats you so disrespectfully?
There's an idea. And I'm not even going to poison this segment by mentioning another VPN that
you could sign up for, because that is not the point right now.
The point right now is don't give them a dime.
Not one penny. If you weren't worth it to them as a customer, who by the way, already paid
for the service, then you aren't worth it to them as a customer.
Period. That's how this works. Since March, there have apparently been 20 pages of one star reviews on
TrustPilot and VPN secure is responding on TrustPilot, acknowledging it
could have communicated better with customers.
No, no, what you could have done is not reneg on a deal.
Yeah, I don't think there's a way to communicate this better.
I think I'm going to be pissed anyways. And it also says, despite not assuming the previous company's contracts or
payments, that doesn't sound right. They had the monthlies, right?
As far as I know, the new ownership says they kept the lifetime accounts
active for two years as a gesture of goodwill. No, they didn't notice it.
You didn't know. They made it very clear they didn't notice it.
And then their third message claims the new owners didn't gain access to the
customer database for months after the acquisition. Dude, I'm sorry.
I just don't feel bad for you. That's, I'm sorry.
I, there's no, there is absolutely no right answer here.
I'm afraid. I hope the incredibly low cost of VPN users was worth the 20 pages and
hopefully and probably more one star reviews you're having now.
Idiots. Who's FA1 says, Luke, would you sue the company if you had a lifetime sub?
Ugh. Come on. We all know the answer.
No. Yeah. It's so much work and it's probably so expensive.
Yeah, basically. And it's like, I think that's something that a lot of people don't necessarily
consider is that it's really easy to make a video about how you're
suing someone or whatever, actually following through on it, like to the
point where there's an actual judgment and or settlement of some sort.
That's like, it's a ton of work and it's boring.
No one's interested in it. It's not content anymore. Only the initial announcement, you know, the big bombshell is content.
Nothing else is content. So it's just going to die.
And it's just, and it's like, you got to, you got to weigh the cost benefit, right?
Like, what is Luke owed dozens of dollars?
What's it going to cost to have even an exploratory call with a lawyer?
Come on. Yeah. If somebody already set up a class action lawsuit, people are asking if I would
join that and it's like, even then, man, like, what am I going to get from it?
Like, I'm going to click one button and it's going to say, okay, I'm going to
button. I don't know.
Sure. I think the honestly, the biggest impact thing that I could do is to obviously
never bring them my business again, go somewhere else, leave that one star review
and try to get as many other people to do the same because if they have one star
reviews everywhere, like if it's like, you know, there's trust pilot, but if they
also have one star reviews on, I'm assuming they're on the app stores and
everything else, they have just one star reviews everywhere and that's it.
Unless they do a major rebrand, which is going to cost them a huge amount of
money and kind of ruin a huge part of the reason why they bought this company.
Anyways, they're just like, there's so many VPNs out there.
People aren't going to just go to the, the one star one constantly.
Um, people are talking about small claims court.
I can't speak to every other jurisdiction, but small claims court here is intended
for like local defendants. Like I can't take some like Israeli or, you know, Chinese company to small
claims court like that.
Come on. They would have under what authority am I going to summon them to the courthouse?
Like that, that's the thing, right? Like it, it's not happening.
Um, anyway, someone says in the US, you can.
Okay. Well, that's great. And I wish you luck with that.
Um, but yeah, here it's woefully impractical.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the nice voice crack. I don't know the, uh, the country lines thing.
Like we're only going to be aware of our, our local stuff.
And even then barely, if I'm being completely honest.
Inception was says, if they don't show up, then the judge sides with you and
small claims court. Yeah, that's nice. But so what?
How am I going to actually get anything from them?
Is, is the judge also going to like get on a plane and go to their headquarters
and like rough them out if they don't pay it? Definitely going to go get my colors.
It's not, it's not actually that simple to actually get the money out of
someone that supposedly has lost in small claims court.
Um, all right.
What else? What else we got this week? Do we want to talk about some good news?
Yeah. This is so cool.
Uh, here I'm going to, I'm going to fire up the promo that Phillips did.
Let's go. This is like, dude, how is a company this big doing something this cool?
I was stunned to be honest. Is this, this is real. This is real.
That is incredible. This is real. Fixables.
Dude, they partnered with Prusa. This was the point of 3D printing when it was first like coming onto the scene
like a decade ago. Dude. So you could just like, oh my God, you could just make Phillips compatible
like replacement pieces and adapters and they've got a whole thing.
Like, look, dude, this is so cool.
They've got, they've got Joseph freaking Prusa and the promo for it.
It's like the best news a WAN shows ever has. Right.
This is genuinely incredibly cool. They will have my business for this reason.
I, yeah, 30 years ago. Yeah. Dude, I don't know anything.
I don't, okay. I don't not know anything. I don't know much about Phillips, right?
In, in the last, you know, 10 years, what have they done that's been on my radar?
They have overpriced light bulbs.
I don't know. They have like, oh, we use them here. The, the WAN set has the Phillips hue.
Sure. Right. But like, like, have they done anything that has even remotely seemed this cool
that has shown up on your guys's radar in the last decade?
Definitely not. But I don't think anyone in the spaces that Phillips operates in has either to
defend them a little bit. Oh, no, no, no, I'm not attacking them. I'm not attacking them.
I'm just making it clear for other people. They do a lot of health care stuff.
Dude, this came completely out of nowhere for me.
Oh, me too. And I was just so, I was so excited to see this that I just didn't, I don't,
I don't really know what else to say other than this is super cool.
So they've teamed up with Prusa Research to launch Phillips fixables aiming to
encourage self-repair of Phillips products using 3D printed replacement
components, which will be available on printables.com.
Phillips will include recommended print settings to ensure that your 3D printed
parts are sturdy enough to be a long-term solution. And there's only one design so far, but the website and promo video show
additional 3D printed parts for Phillips grooming products and users are able to
submit requests for specific parts if they're not already available.
So it's baby steps right now in the infancy.
But right now, if this is what it seems to be on the surface, I am so amped.
And this is enough for to significantly sway my purchase decisions between like
a Phillips something or an Oral-B that thing or, you know, a Norel co-shaver
or a Phillips shaver like I am, you know, I'm so in. Same here, same here.
You know, what's interesting is people are talking about how apparently it's like trending on Thingiverse or whatever already.
I wonder if this could be an interesting way to inform like product development.
Because if you see that one part in comparison to all the other ones that
you're you're offering, if they don't mind this really often, they're crazy.
Yeah, you're like, wow, this one part seems to be breaking a lot. Let's let's re-engineer that a little bit on the next model and make it better.
Or like everyone and their dog prints a number five and a half, you know,
buzz cut guard. Maybe we should add that. That should be in the standard kit.
You know, dude, that this is this is cash money or I hope it is.
That's so killer. This kind of behavior should absolutely be rewarded.
It will affect my purchase decisions easily. If there's a Phillips equivalent to something else, I'm reaching for the Phillips.
Panda says Phillips is Norelco Law. OK, well, fine.
Branding works then, I guess they've indoctrinated me.
Someone in Full Plane Chat also said that they're in the market for a new
beard trimmer and they're going to get a Phillips one now because of it. This is like this is where, you know, voting with your wallet works both ways.
Right? Yeah. And I hate how often it has to be like a negative message.
This is this is exciting. This is an opportunity for us to send a positive message.
Gives me hope for the future. I was actually I went as far as ordering the replacement battery for my
my electric toothbrush. I think it's a I want to say it's an oral B or something like that.
And I was so I was so annoyed to discover how difficult it is to replace the battery in it.
But I found out it's possible. And then I had a video title idea in my mind that was like
my toothbrush shouldn't be this hard to fix. And the idea was I was going to do like a handful of little fixes around the house
that were like rejuvenating things. And then we did that sponsored thing with what's their nuts
life and or something like that. And I started using that toothbrush and then I got distracted by some other shiny
video projects. And then we never so we never ended up doing the video. But having had that experience with that other toothbrush
and then seeing Phillips's attitude here, there's just absolutely no question
that I would consider a brand that built that kind of impossible to repair ability
into their toothbrush anymore. I just wouldn't even consider it anymore.
Yeah.
All right. I'm looking them up right now because I'm not. I wasn't actually sure of the the brand of my toothbrush and shaver.
And I guess I'm already in the Philips ecosystem. So there's not a ton more I can do.
All right, let's go. But but hey, they'll have continued
purchases for me, I guess, over time. Well, I mean, we're in a unique position where there's definitely things that we
can do, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So at least there's that. So, you know, back to the VPN thing and this, you know, we could talk about it
on the Wancho. Yeah, yeah, that hopefully makes a difference.
All right. What else? What else we got this week?
Energy Star going down. I want to talk about podcasters not wanting public play counts.
Spotify is funny to me. Spotify has responded to podcaster backlash over the plays feature that was
announced last week. Plays was announced as a new publicly visible metric of how many times an
episode of a podcast has been actively watched or listened to rounded to the
nearest thousand. Spotify said this would help users attract new audiences.
But podcasters were quick to criticize the feature with most feeling that plays
would give additional promotion to podcasts that already have large
audiences and make small shows less appealing to new listeners.
Spotify announced changes earlier today, updating the program.
So plays only start to be displayed after 50,000 plays and will only update
at specific milestones instead of being more granular.
So look, what do you think about this?
I feel like their update might be worse
because because now people are just going to see all the above and discard everything else, which is like so bad.
Wow. Yeah, I feel like that's like the worst pivot they could have almost
possibly done. I'm not. I feel like, you know, weird way.
I'm not super surprised that some podcasters don't want to show the play
count. Yeah, I have got. Oh, I've got so many thoughts about that.
But yes, carry on. Yeah. I mean, a lot of that comes down to podcast ad rates being like super,
super high for some reason compared to any other form of media,
which I've never understood. And now I'm wondering if it's because play counts are hidden.
Um, as far as I can tell, the entire model for podcast advertising,
which yes, to your point, commands an astonishing CPM compared to
like compared to video, which makes no sense to me. Absolutely no sense.
The only difference as far as I can tell and the reason that podcasting
commands this extremely high rate is that it has this air of like
exclusivities are not exclusivity, but like professionalism slash old media
that it has somehow carried over from the radio days and a lot of
relationships with radio advertisers moved into the podcasting space.
And because it uses a lot of the same bullshit metrics that newspapers
and magazines and radio did to calculate their reach.
So podcasting advertisers, as far as I can tell,
have just been bamboozled for years and years and years into paying rates
that make absolutely no sense as far as I can tell.
Like I have seen the numbers that agencies have floated by us for what
they think a podcast that is equivalently sized to the WAN Show
might be able to bring in and I'm looking at it going like,
this is more than we do in AdSense, sponsor integrations and like
merch sales. Like what, what is even, what is even going on right now?
But it's very, very old media, the way that the podcasting advertising
space works and I guarantee you the last thing they want is transparency
in terms of seeing how many people are actually listening to any of this.
And it's something that I've tried to, it's something I've tried to figure
out multiple times because every once in a while I will have someone
reach out and invite me onto their podcast. And one of the things that I will try to figure out is and like, look,
I'm not, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but is this a real
podcast, you know, or is this just like a dude and his friend who bought
a snowball and this is like their first episode?
Like I'm trying to do, I'm trying to do a little bit of due diligence
to make sure that I am optimizing my time.
And you know, so I don't, I have done, I have done interview requests
with very, very small publications in the past and I have turned down
very big ones. It's not a hard and fast rule. It's not just like, oh, well, like, are you big enough or but it's,
it's not like that. But I also like to do my due diligence because there have been times
when I've collaborated with people and not done due diligence in the past that haven't worked out so great.
So basically there have been multiple times that I've kind of sat down
and I've looked at a podcast and gone, OK, is anybody actually listening to this?
It is flipping impossible to tell how big one podcast is compared to another
one, unless it's like, you know, the top ranked, you know,
handful per category or per country or whatever. Like there are some metrics, but even then it is tough to know which ones are relevant.
People are talking about like Fallon and stuff. OK, no, no, no, not not not not related to that.
Yeah, not a big enough podcast, I think. No, no, no, no. You're going to need to going to need to question that one.
So so I got to tell you, as an advertiser, you're probably coming up
against the same information wall where you just cannot tell if anybody
is actually consuming this media or not.
And what I suspect is that the vast majority of podcasts
are just part of a roster of podcasts or like a a bundle of podcasts
that are being sold by agencies, some of which are performing,
but most of which absolutely no one is listening to and do not want
anybody to know that nobody is listening to it.
It's also extremely easy to these days.
And it has been for a while now, probably four years, five years, maybe.
It's been extremely easy to make a very professional looking
and honestly, decently professional sounding podcast
yeah, with some of the solutions that are out there.
You put that, yes, you. Some people were. Listen to Luke today.
That's not my fault. I didn't blame you.
You took it. Personally, we're. So they were copying the Joe Rogan set up for a while.
And these days, it seems to be more of the Andrew Huberman one
where it's that like spaced out wooden slat wall with the the the black behind it.
They're all like sitting on a couch. We have a very plain table and then you have two like SM seven bees.
And if you can buy that and a like a two mic.
Audio interface, which you can do because of the road casters,
like everything's kind of like solve for people now.
Elgato can get you your your lights and things really quickly and easily.
When we were first doing this, it was weird, complicated steel things
from the audio industry, try to make it work science. And now it's.
Or if you know, actual training, which we didn't have.
Yeah. Yeah. And if you have a tiny bedroom or a tiny room, it's much easier to treat, you know.
Yeah. And if you don't do video, oh, oh, easy.
Yeah. But even even what my point is, even doing the video side,
which is, I think actually, I think there's something there.
I a lot of these smaller podcasts have been doing video these days.
And I think it's on purpose. And I think it's because you can achieve that professional look
quite easily. And then if you can get in one of these bundles, or if you can at least
if you can make yourself look professional or whatever, if you can pay to have a very reputable guest come on, even if you're not getting a ton of views,
if you can get some clips from it, if you can get whatever else, you can make yourself look very popular.
There was there was some proof not that long ago that people were making fake
podcasts and using that to promote products.
I don't know if you've heard about this, but they would make these podcast looking sets with these, the wooden slats in the background,
with the black behind the wooden slats, maybe a fake little Ikea plant,
the SM7Bs, wooden table, people facing each other.
It wouldn't even be a real podcast.
It would just be two people talking about like, yeah, this thing like changed my life, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it would look
like a discussion, but it was a like a shadow advertisement.
It's it's fake influencers pretending that they're having a podcast
and they're just naturally talking about something, but they're not.
They're advertising very specifically for a product. That was a huge thing for a while.
That became a thing because achieving this professional looking podcast
look became relatively, I know I'm saying cheap when it's a few thousand dollars,
but relatively cheap. For how much money you can gain back from it.
Yes, exactly. Yeah. That's why you see that a lot on TikTok.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't use TikTok, but that I know that was a thing for quite a while. I'm not surprised it's still a thing.
And when you know that the barrier of entry is that low,
if you can use that low barrier of entry to get into the podcasting space and then
hide under a non-reported play count, like I promise you people are gaming that system.
I would bet very solid cash that people would be gaming that system.
Anyway, I fully as someone who has had to
claw my way for every for every bit of recognition.
Do you have any idea how hard it was to sell sponsorships against YouTube videos 13 years ago?
Well, especially when you were effectively the first one doing it. Do you have any idea how hard that was?
And like the craziest part to me back in the day was like, I had metrics.
And I'm up against these guys that have no metrics.
As far as I can tell, nobody is actually watching any of it.
And I see the kinds of deals and budgets that they're getting.
And I'm just like, this is insane. Just completely stop writing their checks, sign them over to me and immediately
watch your ROI go up. But it took a decade, it took a decade for people to figure it out.
And a lot of them still haven't. So as someone who had to actually have all of my performance completely
transparent to every brand and every viewer that I've ever engaged with,
every collaborator that I've ever worked with, I support it, put play counts on it.
Yeah, I've got our podcast metrics here if you want any insight or you want me to
share any insight. But are they real? Who knows?
Do they report them properly? We don't get a ton on the on the listening side, which is
we do, we get seventy five percent over the video side of our Spotify.
I actually have no idea what our podcast numbers are. Sorry, are Dan, are you talking about them right now?
Yeah, do you have a guess? How many how many? That's a lot higher than I thought.
Have any streams of you have we done this year?
Like when show streams? Yeah, you're I mean, like 20 or whatever.
Oh, sorry. How many streams on streams, views, downloads,
there's kind of a complicated way to kind of rise without about 20 episodes,
right? And then every episode does anywhere from half a million to three
quarters of a million on YouTube. Generally, we had kind of a rough week last week.
And I think this week is going to be pretty rough. I think we did not nail the title of this one, but whatever, we do our best.
So that would be, you know, 10 million or whatever on YouTube.
So let's say I literally have no idea.
Let's say.
I don't know. I don't even subscribe to Spotify. I don't even like you remember. Podcast goes out to everywhere where there is podcast.
Podcast is like a really cool format.
Two million weeks, going to two million almost exactly. Two million streams. Oh, OK.
Yeah, it was very bang on. OK, well, then that's fine, I guess.
And like a quarter of that are watching because we do video for Spotify.
OK, I didn't even know that makes my life so much easier.
Not a lot of people do. It was a new feature that they were testing for a while.
So 75% listen, about 25% seem to watch.
That might be a Spotify only thing and podcast go to literally anywhere.
Like it goes on iTunes or anywhere because it's RSS fee based.
And that's a funny thing because then super cool. That makes us a really big YouTube tech live stream.
Or we're one of the largest podcast. Oh, see, that's the thing.
These numbers are so small to me. I just assumed that we're a small podcast.
It's very interesting. No, we're one of the large ones. I think that because of the barrier for entry is so low now.
And like most people aren't doing what we do, which is the bad way to do it,
which is just record it live and then send it without doing any mastering pass at all.
Yeah, whatever. So we try our best. Do we, though?
Yeah, yeah. If you want, how much more money do you want to spend on this?
We could make it. No, we don't want to. We don't want to try our best.
No, you don't try our best and we don't want you do not want to.
It will cost you an ARM and a leg.
But like 25% of people finish a quarter of an episode,
five percent finish three quarters of an episode and three percent almost finish all of it.
That's terrible. So that's just like a complete waste of time.
And we shouldn't even bother uploading them then. No, it's pretty, it's pretty useful.
Is it? OK. For reasons how do I won't go into.
So here, so here, I'm going to try and do this.
I'm going to try and do this. OK, so I'm I am trying to find top tech podcasts.
So because Dan pulled this, pulled this statement, as far as I can tell,
completely out of his butt that we are one of the bigger tech podcasts.
And I'm looking at this and I'm going, how, how are you supposed to know that?
Is can you hear me? Yes. OK, my computer is doing that thing, so I'll be back.
OK, I will meet you. Top shows. OK, so these are are these the top technology podcasts?
Like Verge, I know the Verge. I know Ted.
Is that a tech podcast, though? A lot of Ted stuff is kind of tech.
Wait, these are just top episodes. Why is this? Why is this so obtuse?
I tried to go. OK, top shows. OK. Here we go.
Ah.
Yeah, dude, we're tiny. Unless we're not.
Depends on the category. It can be a little bit complicated.
I mean, this is tech, right? Rankings for us.
And this is specifically on Apple Pie, because we haven't even, dude, we haven't even shown up yet.
Dude, Wansho, Wansho is not even top 100, according to this.
Maybe not of all time, but certainly in the tech sector, I know that we're up there, but this is tech.
Oh, wait, charts genre. Yeah, genre 1318.
I mean, we got Linux unplugged. See, now, though, now we're getting to the point where I'm having a hard time
believing and I don't want to call anybody in particular out.
OK, so Wansho. No. OK.
Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing. OK, I look, I don't want to call.
I don't want to call anybody out, but who is Logan Bartlett?
I just want to know who Logan Bartlett is. That 4.8 stars.
That's really good. Apparently, this is really good. There's the Internet is full of influencers I've never heard of,
so it's nothing personal. Logan Bartlett.
OK. So the buddy uploads on YouTube.
And has some very, very popular videos.
First interview with Sam Altman after GPT 4.0.
OK, so that's that's pretty cool.
I'm not sure if I believe that this podcast is bigger than ours, though,
based on the numbers I'm looking at. But that's the thing is some of the splits are obscene.
Yeah, I look at everything through a YouTube lens.
Like I'm YouTube native and everything else is just like,
well, OK, not everything else. But.
Same way that someone will be like big on Instagram and I'll be like,
are they actually big and then check their like YouTube? Because again, I'm YouTube first and then I have to take a step back and be like,
oh, wait, no, this is this is an Instagram first creator.
If this person is a podcast first or yeah, or, you know, Spotify first creator,
then. Yeah, I mean, just think about something like Twitch, you know,
if you have six concurrent viewers, you're in top percentages.
If the barrier for entry for podcasts is so low and you can just like sit down and
upload whatever you want, you know, if you're if you're in the top 10,000,
you're doing pretty OK. Eddie Koldrich.
Oh, so we're not under tech. We're under tech news. I'm working on it.
Yeah, I can't find our rankings that we got.
Top 10.
And there's also tech news. The funny thing is tech news UK, that sort of thing.
I haven't heard of some of the other things that are in the top 10.
Yeah, I think we talked about this ages ago. If you remember when we were starting into this,
like, who are these people? They're more popular by us by like a large margin.
I pretty much guarantee you that a lot of them say the same thing about us.
I'm sure I'm 100 percent sure who the heck are these guys?
I mean, their show isn't even professional. Look at this. Yeah, this is terrible garbage.
This actual trash, actual dumpster fire.
I said, you clearly just woke up. He didn't even do his hair.
What's happening? That is the least of our problems. Your co-worker made it.
It's not even a good gaming headset.
Oh, I have RGB on it. Man, no mastering pass on the audio.
A lot of podcasts, like, you know, if there is a real time master, it's awful.
If you're only listening to the audio, it's nice to have it actually like sound good.
We are number six after cybersecurity headlines,
Babbage, Cyberwire Daily, 404 Media, them I know, and the tech news briefing from the Wall Street Journal.
And they are way bigger.
How do they know, though? Well, I remember looking at some charts that we like I haven't touched
podcasting in a while, but where do these charts come from?
I don't know to pay someone for the charts. Well, we get charts because we're special,
because we're one of the larger podcasters. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
As a larger podcaster, you get Intel on the other podcasters.
Yeah, that's not available publicly. I get like, well, I don't know.
I remember while I remember getting a weekly like digest email that said that we're we're better.
And it like that's your billboard one hundred. Everyone should have access to that.
I mean, chartable. There we are.
Let's see. And is this like real data?
Like, are you getting this from? Yeah, like, where's this from?
Yeah, I think everyone's just guessing, dude. It could be lies.
I'm going to actually open like here. We can see how many people we can see how many people like rated it.
That's something like how many people rated the WAN Show.
Let's have a look at our dashboard. Wow. I don't know. I don't know if I agree.
I don't think it's that good, but thank you. It's very generous.
Let's go. Is this just by ratings? No, because this one only has a hundred twenty three ratings.
What one? The cyber security games, because I'm not super surprised because that has like
the most generic name and profile photo.
Yeah, but apparently they're they're bigger, but they also upload daily.
Oh, so that's a daily podcast. So that's that's a volume game and a half right there.
I could see following that, though. Yeah, for sure. Security daily.
Like how many how many episodes you can listen to it on the way to work? Well, like I could absolutely see one thousand four hundred episodes.
So this is one I got from last year,
because I think they're blocked in our email thing now. OK, but for Apple podcasts were number eight for tech news in the US.
Number two hundred and eleven for Great Britain for news.
Number seven for Great Britain for tech news. One hundred and forty six in Canada for news.
Number two in Canada for tech news. That's on Apple podcast.
Sure, I don't know. I think it's all made up and I support more transparency.
All right, there are some.
Oh, there are some new Android scan protections.
And this video is not out yet, but we did a collaboration with Kit Boga recently
that was a lot of fun and was both eyeopening and also extremely terrifying.
I it's not something I dedicate a lot of my brain cycles to.
It's not something that I have really experienced with my aging relatives.
But there are so many different angles of attack from scammers that I just never heard of.
And he really kind of like.
I don't know.
Kind of red pilled me. OK, so I get it now.
I am I am I am now aware of what's out there and the world.
The world is is trash and it's full of people who are trash and are going to try and take
everything from you for no reason other than that you have it and they don't.
And that sucks. And thank you very much, Kit.
I appreciate you very much. Anyway.
At Android IO this week, Google announced new tools in Android 16 aimed at protecting
users from such scams. They have new in call protections that prevent users from taking risky actions,
such as granting accessibility permissions or sideloading an app for the first time.
If you are new, oh, yeah, if you are in call, that is super cool.
That's a way for Android to stay open and allow sideloading and allow special accessibility permissions,
but not allow somebody to get you to do that while you are on a phone call with them.
So that seems pretty neat. If you are screen sharing during a phone call,
Android will now automatically prompt you to stop sharing at the end of the call.
And they're piloting a program in the UK. We're launching a participating banking app while screen sharing with an unknown
contact will trigger a warning from Android and give you the option to end the call
and stop screen sharing with one tap. Scam detection is an AI powered tool for scam detection and text that will warn
when it spots suspicious conversation patterns and key verifier allows you and
the person you're messaging to verify the identity of the other party through
public encryption keys to help thwart imposters, e.g.
SIM swaps. My only concern here is that
the kinds of users who
from working with kit on that video seem to be targeted by these folks may not be
helped that much by this. It seems like they are accustomed to a very
unsophisticated, non-savvy user.
Like I was amazed at how dense we had to pretend to be in order to get them to
hang up on us.
Like Luke, I asked this one guy to sing me happy birthday.
Ploof and Adam both succeeded in getting the scammer to sing them happy birthday.
I asked mine, who's your daddy and what does he do?
That wasn't enough to deter him.
Like so the angle for the video for so you guys know what to expect.
It's going to be, dude, it's going to be a blast. I think we shot two videos, one for our channel, one for kits, I think, or both for
our channel. I don't know, we did something. I think we did one for, I think the other one was for kits channel.
Anyway, the point was I just went where they told me to go and I was a me on camera.
Anyway, so for ours, we try to make the unscammable PC.
And then yeah, the one that I think is going live on his channel is just him
having us compete to see who can keep scammers on for the longest.
So it's me, Ploof, Adam, and Elijah and Kit, if I recall correctly.
All five of us took a whack at it. I might have some of these details wrong.
But the point is the the stick for it was that we don't just keep them on the
phone, because honestly, that's relatively easy. You have someone off camera holding up a piece of paper with stuff you have to say.
Stuff that you have to insert in the conversation. So that's where some of these like whack-a-doodle things, who's your daddy?
You have to tell them you're so lonely.
No one came to my birthday party. Will you be my friend? Do you have to ask if their mom's single?
Like just oh, so painful, so painful.
Anyway, it's going to be great. It's going to be great. Oh, that's exciting.
Don't miss it. So cool new Android scan protections.
Seems like progress, but it's also hard to look at this and say anything.
But like feels like too little, too late. But let's see how it goes.
ROG Rig Reboot is back. We are excited to announce that we have once again partnered with ASUS to
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Also, we have a Floatplane update this week. Our handsome, tall, intelligent, rich and narcissistic chief vision officer,
Linus Sebastian had his latest vision.
We're trying out something new on Floatplane clips.
These are quick behind the scenes moments that aren't quite long enough to be a full
Floatplane exclusive. Open this link to just show what it is.
Explain if needed. OK.
Ah, yes, Linus and Elijah discuss my little pony.
Oh, I have already watched this, so it started at the end.
We talk about our favorite ponies and people apparently liked that.
Anyway, you guys loved the first one, so we're going to keep it going during the text. Yikes from the from the background.
Some of our team will be on the ground next week, uploading random clips as they happen.
You may see things like eating stinky tofu for the first time, silly stuff on the
show floor and everything in between. And yes, Luke will apparently be doing his traditional show floor walk.
Sammy says, totally announcing this. So Luke makes time for me to do a show floor walk with him.
Oh, OK, so Sammy had not discussed this with you. No, he asked me like a while ago if I would do it.
And I was like, yeah. And then he asked me again
today that I was like, yeah.
So I think he forgot that I already agreed to it.
Nice. But it's OK. So check out the LMG team during Computex that LMG dot gg slash flow plane.
All right, what else we got today? OK, OK, I'm confused by this.
Luke, help me out here. Sourceers, ours, Technica, industry groups decry the imminent demise of Energy Star.
The current US administration has decided to terminate the Energy Star program,
though it's not clear if Energy Star can be eliminated without an act of Congress.
Energy Star is a program run by the US Environmental Protection Agency,
the EPA and the Department of Energy, the DOE, to help consumers, businesses and industry save money and protect the environment
by using energy efficient products and practices. It identifies top performing cost effective products, homes and buildings
through its distinctive blue label. OK, what I asked for in this topic was an Eli five for Energy Star because other
than seeing the label on things and being like, OK, so that's a that.
I guess it's energy. I never really knew what exactly it meant.
It meant that this one is like more ranked or good or for the efficiency.
But also a lot of the time it seemed kind of arbitrary because it's like, yeah,
this one's really bad for power efficiency. But also it's like on the much bigger end of like how big TVs can be in this category.
So obviously, you know, like I. OK, so that's what it is.
It is a voluntary program that was created as part of a bill passed by the
near the end of George H.W. Bush's time in office.
President Clinton issued an executive order mandating that federal agencies
should prioritize Energy Star certified products in their procurement.
Chamber of Commerce, something something. Energy Star enabled consumers to save an estimated five hundred billion dollars
over the past 33 years. Our technical notes that companies that have invested in making more efficient
products are faced with the loss of the Energy Star brand as a marketing tool.
Oh, this is why they care. OK, the Energy Star logo has helped them make the case with the government
support that the initial cost of efficient appliances will be offset over time
in reduced water and energy consumption.
Got it. I was trying to figure out why industry
groups cared about Energy Star going away.
So the answer is marketing. Hit me. Hit me, you guys, in the chat.
Do you do you factor Energy Star into your purchases?
Because I got to confess, other than like seeing it in my BIOS or whatever,
I I I can't say that it's been a major factor for me.
It's it's something that I see on the product after I buy it, essentially every
single time and almost all of Chad is saying no. But remember, we haven't seen anyone in Chad say we live in B.C.
where our electricity is cheap, right? So that's something.
Yeah, states have some of their own regulations as well. I mean, yeah, to my wife does.
OK. And especially if it impacts like government procurement, then I could see it
affecting a significant number of units that are purchased, even if it's not
individual consumers, I have for larger appliances.
I prefer it all else being equal. I have OK, I like to see it there.
Oh, interesting. Yeet, Dabman says that sticker is a real POS to remove.
I'd say no for appliances. Heck, yes.
Interesting. I love that there are consumer rebates based on Energy Star and some jurisdictions.
OK, so maybe this is just more of like Americans have a higher level of awareness
of this because up here, I don't see it really that consistently applied to things.
I don't see it marketed that hard.
Yeah, I don't see it marketed literally at all up here, I think on appliances.
Yeah, but I don't remember a time you would have bought appliances because you
bought your place new and it was full of appliances. I bought a dishwasher because it didn't work.
OK, did you look at the Energy Star? Not even a little bit.
OK, I talked to my dad and I talked to some of my dad's appliance friends about
which one would break the least fair enough.
No problems ever since. OK, well, good chat.
Apple is attempting to scare users if apps use external purchases.
Sources the verge here, allegedly, allegedly. Apple seems to be trying scare tactics to prevent people from downloading using
apps that use external payments. The message, which appears with a big red exclamation mark at the very top of the
app's page, says the following, this app does not support the app store's private
and secure payment system, it uses external purchases.
Scary. This seems to be in response to the EU's decision in March of 2024, where they
require Apple to allow developers to enable external purchase options
instead of essentially forcing developers to pay a 30% fee to Apple.
People have been reporting that this isn't new and Apple has been doing it since
the EU started enforcing Apple to comply with the ruling change. But what they've been changing is that the warning image used to just be a lower
case I for information rather than the new red exclamation mark.
OK, because I was going to say we've talked about this before 100%, but that makes
sense. There was also this didn't make it into the dock this week, but there was
also like Fortnite is not on the app store because Tim Sweeney is pushing the
envelope again, but also Apple, in my humble opinion, is clearly in the wrong
here in the first place. So yeah, good luck, Epic and Apple.
I hope you guys bury the hatchet someday.
Not yet, though. Steam didn't get hacked speaking of hacking hatchets or something.
Valve has responded to rumors of a data breach that appears to have started on LinkedIn and included claims that more than 89 million records were for sale
with a sample of the data made available to prospective purchasers.
Something, something, something, Valve examined a leak sample and determined
the data did not come from a breach of Steam's systems.
There's a bunch of other stuff, but basically from a Steam perspective,
Valve says customers do not need to change their passwords or phone numbers
as a result of this event. It is not a bad idea to do it anyway, so
it's a good reminder to treat any account security messages that you have not
explicitly requested as suspicious, though, and reminds users to set up Steam
mobile authenticator if they haven't already. All right, pretty much good guy, Valve.
And NextCloud accuses Google of deliberately crippling its app.
European software vendor NextCloud has accused Google of deliberately
crippling its Android files app, a file synchronization tool.
In 2024, Google's Play Store revoked the all files access permission
that they've had since 2016, effectively crippling the app and instructing
NextCloud to use a more privacy aware replacement.
But NextCloud says, hey, we can't use those. Storage access framework, SAF, cannot be used as it is for sharing slash exposing
our files to other apps, MediaStore API cannot be used as it does not allow
access to other files, but only media files. Google's developer documentation states, if you target Android 11 and declare
all files access, it can affect your ability to publish and update your app on Google Play.
So basically you can't compete with Google Drive?
Is that what I'm hearing? Yikes. Yikes.
Yeah, Timo says there are so many file managers out there that don't have their
permissions crippled. Yeah, it does make it feel a little personal, doesn't it?
I can't say for sure that it is. But NextCloud sure seems to think so.
Yeah, Google and Apple are both
getting really stabby about defending their mobile moats right now.
Yeah. And I hope this continues to go poorly for them.
Me too. A unique username says NextCloud is the largest competitor to all the CloudLockin
solutions from Google and Apple. Well, yeah. I don't.
This doesn't feel accidental to me, is what I'll say.
All right, Dan, are we supposed to be doing After Dark now? I think we got our announcements done.
I think we've done all the topics. Let's do it. Wow.
Not a ton of curated merge messages today. No, lots of people buying
what are they called, the tall sizes. Well, yeah, that makes sense.
I wonder why.
Because they're great. Go us. It's because they're compensating.
It's true. It's true. What?
What? For what?
Not being short. Yeah. They don't get to be fabric.
All the all the canes are short. Nobody just get to be serfs.
It's harder for us to pack because our clothing takes up more space. Jamie calls me Slender Man and asks if he needs help finding my pages.
Ten out of ten banter. All right, again, sure.
LLD, could you expand on the hesitancy to include more tall skews?
Can't speak for others, but it's worth a five to ten dollar premium for me.
Shouldn't that cover the overhead? Give cards for pink to XL.
Tall shirts, when? The hesitancy is that in order to stock a thing, you have to buy
thousands, in many cases, tens of thousands of dollars worth of that thing.
So it is both a risk management issue because you don't want to go and buy
tens of thousands of dollars worth of a thing that then just sits there
because that's bad for business and also just a cash flow management exercise thing.
You can't just take your entire existing portfolio and a have the, you know,
worker hours to create new patterns for everything, right?
Like literally, you are doubling the number of the amount of grading that you have to do.
So grading is where you take a design and you adjust it for all your different sizes.
You're doubling the grading that you have to do for a given style.
And then not only that, but you are significantly increasing the amount
of cash outlay that you are spending in order to hold, in order to buy and hold that inventory.
It's boring. Spreadsheet accounting stuff.
I don't expect people to care, but it doesn't make it not just how it is.
And it's a big part of the same reason that it's a big part of the reason
that we also haven't just like started up an EU distribution warehouse.
Because it's not that simple.
The logistics are not that simple. The reporting and taxation and accounting and all of those things, they're just not that simple.
And at the end of the day, we are still, and I can't emphasize this enough,
we are still a pretty small company, right?
And overall, we have like 100 plus employees.
I think we're at around 100 and something right now. Is that right, Luke? I think so.
I think that's roughly correct. Yeah, I think that's about right. But Creator Warehouse doesn't have 100 employees.
Creator Warehouse is a tiny company. They have a couple of dozen employees.
The fact that they sell around the world at all is a small miracle, right?
Like what you're going to say, oh, yeah, well, they should just they should just have distribution centers on every country.
Are you serious right now? Like we're we're no, that's not how it works.
It's not how any of this works. We are doing our best and we are going to, you know,
constantly try to get delivery costs down around the world.
We're going to try to expand our styles with, you know, tall sizes.
I just got confirmation. They promised me husky sizes for t-shirts are coming in 2026.
OK, we're working on it. But these things take time.
They take cash. They take hours. Someone's got to do it.
I'm happy we're finally getting them.
I'm really I was very surprised.
I got it spoiled to me by the chat, but I was really surprised that there was all the colors for tall sizes.
That's that's super cool, but I didn't really expect it. I mean, there's a reason why almost no store that you go into has any tall sizes.
Like it's just doubling your shoes like that is tough.
And you've got to know that there's some chance that it's going to work out, which is why we took it slow.
That's why we started with the black. We started with a small order. Because in theory, anything's a great idea.
Yeah, but there's a big difference between people being excited about something
and people actually pulling out their wallet and spending money on it.
Huge difference, vast ocean of difference.
So you need to be evidence driven. That's a big part of what like Teran pushes ever since he joined is like be data driven.
That doesn't mean that we can't YOLO and buy a fire truck once in a while, but it means that we need to overall make
sure that we are making decisions that are supported by real world evidence that we
can use as our guiding star at the very least.
Hi, Linus, Luke and Dan, a question for Luke. Which individuals or teams do the marketing or advertising for Floodplain?
It would be cool to hear about the work they do to attract new creators versus users.
No, we do very little work to attract new creators.
Isn't that Linus? Yeah, I think that's my job.
I have not I have been asleep at the wheel for many years.
What a bad employee. Terrible, terrible.
Yeah, the business team,
there's there's Sean and then indirectly Colton on the business team who work on
coming up with like the business sides of ideas of trying to make Floodplain
better and more worth it for people to join and stay for a variety of creators.
But the business team is is focused on
LMG stuff, but then hopefully those features benefit other people as well,
or those ideas benefit other people as well. But their their goal, they're looking at the LTT subscription.
Like they are employees at Linus Media Group. Those are business people at Linus Media Group.
These are not Floodplain people. And Sammy is sort of indirectly a big part of the marketing of Floodplain just by
creating wasn't even there yet. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, hard big time.
It's Sammy making exclusives and pushing the envelope with the types of things that
we're doing, including this, I guess maybe it was Linus's idea, but including this,
the like clips thing you're talking about, the like short, short content.
That's a cool idea. I shouldn't say it's my idea. It's not like I came up with the idea of short form content.
But that's not having that on the platform now.
Oh, I see. Yeah, get better at being a narcissist. What's wrong with you?
Sorry. But yeah, so that's that's the engines that are going for the Linus Media Group side.
And, you know, we learn things from the content that LMG does and how it performs
on the platforms and then and then sometimes other creators ask me effectively me
about that and then I'll share some of that information so they can benefit from
that learning as well and then some of the work that the business team does
can can potentially benefit other creators as well. But they are generally focused on Linus Media Group expansion within the Floodplain
universe and then the Floodplain dev team essentially tries to make Floodplain better
for all the creators because the Floodplain dev team is focused on the platform as a whole.
The Floodplain dev team has been very focused on that that big project we've
been doing for a while that has been semi-leaked but not fully leaked.
And that has resulted in when the business team keeps coming to us with a very,
very reasonable, fairly measured request.
It is going, sorry, can't do it right now.
A little bit too busy. And then we've been doing that for quite a while now.
So sorry, business team, but there are things that they want to do that will be
good to be clear and we will do it eventually.
But yeah, that's that's kind of that circle. There's there's Sean and Colton from the business team and then
Sammy from the content team and then the Floodplain dev team.
And about some more. Yeah, I'm just looking up at this next one.
This has been added to Drive. Learn more. It's like, no, no, I want to open it in Drive.
I have my I have my new product in new product introductions inventory planning sheet.
I think Drive awful. And I'm trying to oh, no, oh, cool.
It enhanced without being blurry this time.
Cool. OK, hit me, Dan. Dear Daniel Besser, please could you ask the relevant authorities if we might be
able to receive an update on the production of the pencil scribe driver?
Yours, faithfully, a Brit in need of a pencil. OK, the last NPI document I have says current launch date April 30th, 2025.
What does NPI mean, Linus? New product introduction.
So that didn't happen.
Good job. We don't have a history of that at this company at all.
In all seriousness, sometimes in all seriousness, we are way tighter about things
now, but what I'm trying to say is soon.
Soon. My knees were kind of like I'm chanting it in Floodplain Chat.
Do we have anything we can say about Mod Mat? We'll have updates when we can.
It will be ready when it is ready. And we'll update you when we're able to.
Only when it is ready.
My niece is having trouble finding a PC under a thousand dollars to play
Fortnite and Roblox, any tips on how to navigate ultra low budget PC buying?
It's hard to know the line between performance and requirements.
Do I ever have tips on that? May I may I suggest really great?
Well, OK, YouTube channel, a bit of a
narcissistic host, you'll have to kind of get past that whiny voice.
So check this out. So Linus tech tips.
Yeah, yeah, this this guy right here. Oh, awful. Anyway, the point is you just go on the videos.
OK, this is a man. They really do like clutter up with these members only videos.
Anyway, the point is you kind of scroll down and you see if there's any good ones
on, you know, making a cheap computer.
OK, you know what, I give up on that. So why don't we just use search because the year is 2025 Linus tech tips.
Cheap PC build. Here we go. OK, here's a five hundred dollar gaming PC.
Oh, a sixty nine dollar gaming PC from two months ago.
Hey, that looks pretty good. We could try.
Yeah, I wouldn't build the lowest rated PC. But the ultimate five hundred dollar gaming PC from four months ago.
That looks pretty solid, pretty solid. Oh, you could pick a good budget gaming CPU that no one ever told you about from a
month ago. Lots of really good resources here. Oh, what about the repairing the perfect PC?
No, I wouldn't recommend that the perfect PC at every price, though.
Hey, there's a good one. Yeah.
Heck, yeah, I would say of these, I want to go ultimate five hundred dollar gaming
PC, and then maybe you could make a couple, a couple clever upgrades.
You could have a look at perfect PC at every price and then the five hundred
dollar gaming PC is kind of somewhere in between there.
Hey, Wanda DLO downsizing from three gaming
PCs to just one with sunshine slash moonlight.
What are your thoughts on the current state of self hosted game streaming?
Super cool. If we do a tech house, which is kind of in conversation,
I don't think I would run fiber optic DisplayPort and fiber USB everywhere.
I think I would just go sunshine, moonlight, run cat 6a everywhere and just
fricking have one gaming PC and then like I want to try that in clients, man.
So cool. I talked to you about my issues with sunshine, moonlight.
No, I meant to talk about this on Wanshow, but I think I just completely forgot and it's it's been a few weeks now.
So I'm going to try to make sure I get all this accurate.
But I was trying to set that up at home. I bought a new controller because Linus wouldn't stop harassing me.
It never worked and you stole so many of our gaming sessions.
So I got a new controller
and it comes with a little charging dock thingy.
A charging dock come with it, but it was like really cheap. Right. So it has a cheap charging dock. Yes.
Yeah. And that has a dongle in it, which is nice.
It's a dongle. Good wireless connectivity. Cool.
I don't have to have it be wired anymore. Wow.
Neat. This is this is compelling. So wait, you say this controller,
you say this controller can charge. I can explain why that matters.
It can charge on a dock and it's wireless matters.
But does it wirelessly charge?
You know, maybe they'll come technically. Yeah, really with no wires.
Yep, sans wires even.
Where are you going with this? OK, my reason for that is I don't have the Bluetooth things for my computer.
You don't have the Bluetooth things. I have one idea where I could buy the little antennas.
Yeah, no, the Bluetooth things or I could buy the base,
the dock charging thing. My dock was the same price.
So I decided to go with that one. Oh, what a story.
And cable to use the controller wirelessly.
I can play games on my TV, which is cool. So I want to do that without running a super long HDMI cable.
So I was trying to set up this setup to install.
Which one is it? I don't know. Is it sunshine on the TV?
I can't remember. To install whichever one has to go on the TV.
It turned out that I needed a app on the TV, which is like developer mode or whatever.
And in order to install that app, you have to have
a developer account. Oh, you have an LG TV?
Nice, web OS. Nice to.
So I set up an account. And
it was like acting a little bit weird when I was setting the account up.
So I immediately signed out and went to go sign back in.
So I was like, I don't trust that if I remember correctly, there's only one password field that doesn't get you to verify your password.
And there were some other stuff that was just acting oddly. And it refused my login.
So I'm like, OK, well, forgot password. I'll just reset my password and fix it.
Go to enter my password again. You can't use the same password twice.
Nice. Like, hmm, OK. And I've done it before where I've
typoed a password the same way twice and then not been able to figure it out.
But it wasn't except I was copy pasting. Oh, so.
But anyways, so I make a new one, reset the password all good.
I'm logged in. It's all cool. I log out.
I go to log back in again. Doesn't work. Forgot password reset password.
Can't use the same password. Bro, what the heck?
Because I have to make the account on my computer or my phone and then I have to
log in on the TV, so I have to log in again. I can't this whole like you can only log in one thing will not work for me.
I have to log in again. So I'm like, OK, OK, so I make a new account.
Like maybe that accounts just screwed up. Exact same problem.
OK, OK, OK. Well, I'm realizing I'm on the American site anyways and my TV actually cares
and it has to be the Canadian site. So let me do that. So I'll make an account on the Canadian site.
Oh, well, you can't use the same email on both for some reason.
But sure, why not? So I have a lot of emails. That's fine. I'll use another email.
I'll make another account. Weird fact, but OK, I get signed in.
No problem. Sign out. Sign back in doesn't work.
Reset password. Can't use the same password. It's the same problem.
I can't. I can't log in. I can't.
I cannot log into this account. No matter what I do.
I don't know why it won't work. I email their support and they send me a link.
I detail everything. I detail everything that I did.
All the different accounts, the different regions, everything.
I get a response back that is not. I promise you it is not a generic auto reply.
It took like two days to get the response. It's clearly someone typed it out.
They just linked me the forgot your password link.
I have nothing else.
And when I got that email, I just like, all right, whatever, I'm just going to like come back to this in a couple of weeks
and whatever bug they probably have will hopefully be resolved.
Is there not a link app for WebOS? I haven't tried.
I don't think there was. I think I think I checked and I don't think there was.
Funny hat says I've lost the plot. What's going on now? User error.
No, I just I just. I just fucking I'm just fucking it.
I'm getting password on sign up. Yeah, it's it might be something like that, too.
I don't know. There's something weird. I ran into a problem recently. I want I don't want to say what organization it was.
But I think I took a picture of it or I took a screenshot or something.
Well, that's going to make it just obvious. One of the well, I'm not going to show it,
but I want to go look at what the actual rules were. One of the probably worst rules for passwords.
Is like ever seen.
Yeah, so it has to have an uppercase letter.
It has to have a lowercase letter. It has to have a number.
It has to have a symbol. It has to have at least eight characters.
But it cannot be more than 15 characters.
Why? So it has to be between eight and 15 characters.
All those bits in there on their their storage server for that.
So there's there's like a very small range
of character counts that the password could even be. And then there's like all these.
I don't know, just way to way to make your thing less secure.
My goodness. That's hilarious. OK, well, someone get Luke a password manager.
I have one. What are you even talking about? What does that have to do with what I'm doing?
Whatever. Anyways. Oh, Jesus, Dan.
Hello, DL up. I've been curious about the silicon lottery and how some CPUs on the same batch
can be better than others. What exactly is better?
Like, how do the last better ones even work? So there's a ton of redundancy when you manufacture high complexity silicon
products, more than you would probably imagine is is wasted to having a backup
plan in case there is a small imperfection.
So that's part of it, is you can have one that has
that is that is is higher quality in certain spots.
So, for instance, like back when NVIDIA had those GPUs in the four sixty five
four seventy days where some of the four sixty fives could be unlocked to have
additional functional units, that means that they
they didn't have so many defects in some of those some of the forget if they were
called SMs back then, but whatever in some of those functional units
such that they had to be shut off. So part of it is you can just have parts of the CPU that have so many
problems with our GPU or whatever it is that have so many problems with them
that they they can't turn on that part of it.
You can also have ones that have more parts of them that can be turned on
versus ones that can have fewer parts. That's why you'll get like AMD's tricors back in the day.
Those were all quad core CPUs, but like one of the cores was in many cases dead
or in many cases actually not dead and you could unlock them to quad core processors.
OK, so then the other part is more to do with the overall quality of it.
And that's where everything might work,
but it might not be within the target power envelope or thermal envelope for that
particular part, so they might have to turn off some cores or turn off some cash
for that reason, probably wouldn't affect cash so much.
But but cores for sure, you might have to turn off some cores in order to make
this one fit into the power envelope for a core i5 in the 14th gen or whatever
the case may be. So basically what it comes down to is that it's pretty much black magic at this
point, how they managed to make anything as small as it is.
There are a ton of defects in them, both small defects in terms of like, oh,
yeah, this gap is like this many like freaking angstroms larger or smaller
than it's supposed to be. And that could affect the power or performance character,
switching speeds of it or whatever else. You can have defects like that.
You can have defects that are caused by contamination.
So they build in a ton of redundancy and they also use binning as they're
sorting all of these dyes to turn them into different products at different tiers
based on what they know during the pre-production process and the design
process is going to be their defect rate. So silicon lottery basically just means that,
you know, both of these chips might, you know, pass the minimum bar of how many cores need to be active and what kind of power
and thermal characteristics it's supposed to have. But one was like slightly more better and that's great.
And one of them wasn't and you either get a better one or you don't. And there's absolutely no way of knowing because Intel or AMD or NVIDIA,
they don't want to go into things with that degree of granularity because then
their product stack becomes an absolute cluster bomb.
And last one I've got for you today. Hello, LD.
Just wondering, will the cargo shorts come back sometime in the future?
I love mine. Just wish I had gotten more. Oh, Alan actually has a really, really cool way of explaining the like the small
defects, like differences in gaps and stuff. Remember, folks, computers are actually analog machines that operate on digital
logic. So small defects can change the analog characteristics without affecting
the binary logic up to a point. If you crank up the analog, the Boolean logic breaks down.
So analog meaning like voltage current temperatures, things that are inherently analog.
Yeah, that's a really good way of explaining that.
OK, cargo shorts, I don't know. Hold on, let me see.
Oh, that wouldn't be a new product introduction anyway, so it wouldn't be on
this document, so I honestly have no idea. I'm sorry, maybe.
I think so.
If they do, they do. Not this year.
Yeah, not this year. And that's it.
We'll see you again next week, guys. Same bad time.
Same bad channel. I'll see you soon, I guess.
Oh, yeah, see you soon.