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Vid summit when the heck was vid summit vid summit 2025 dates. Oh
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Samsung having ads on their fridges. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I mean, there's not really much to say other than well
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Like the episode yeah, I mean that could have happened with any ad to be clear
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Kitsune sensei says your voice sounds like me this morning and I had an intense office Christmas party
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What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined up for you guys this week our
Headline topic is of course that micron is going all in on AI and
abandoning us poor consumers I
Like the products Luke So what if they had a couple price-fixing scandals over the years who in the DRAM industry didn't
Okay, yeah, I mean that's I mean that's how price-fixing works
It's when the whole industry gets together and it's like
You know what if we're not the bad guy, but they're all sorry if we're the bad guy and they're also the bad guy
Then we won't stand out. What are you gonna do about it? But seriously quality products that just evil
I guess we just Don't get to buy anymore. So we're gonna be talking about that
We're also gonna be talking about Netflix making things worse for everyone again and the justification for this is just it's so weak
You know, it's so weak. It's a month Oh
Speaking of not weak Intel GPU market share hits a record level, okay
Intel is officially the one percent. Yeah, congratulations Intel time to buy a McMansion
Unfortunately the other end of the one financing and I don't know rip cherry cherry is like
I Going up not for the same reasons as Mike Ron cherries in a pie
Cuz they're cooked baked well, okay, it doesn't matter
No
I
Micron technology announced the oh god
Thanks micron technology all you missed the funny part. Well, that's okay. We're good. Wait. Did they not hear any of the sponsor call?
Okay, they said they could hear
Guys we had our Christmas party last night and I don't drink
But it was still a very tiring day and as you can probably tell I'm a little under the weather
So I'm gonna do my best today. All right Micron technology has announced the impending demise of their consumer focused crucial brand on
Wednesday just months after the company celebrated its 29th anniversary. I
Mean that last bit seems kind of irrelevant. You're always just months away from an anniversary of some sort 29 seems kind of arbitrary
I'm deleting that from the notes In a press release the memory giant stated that
Micron has made the difficult decision to exit the crucial consumer business in order to improve supply and support for our larger
strategic customers in faster-growing segments
In a nutshell Guess what gamers you just ain't that fucking important for now for now
Until you come crawling back. Yeah, everyone's talking about a constant bubble everyone crawls back to gaming
Name someone who didn't
How many people have exited Name someone who's exited. I mean crucial didn't exit exit, but they did kill their ballistics brand once
Yeah, I mean, I feel like this has been this has been hinted towards in the cards
And then now they were like mmm. There's a strong reason now
Well, I don't even think it's strong reason. I think it's just as simple as EVGA. I don't think counts in this case guys
Yeah, they didn't come back
But they they left for like completely different reasons. Yes, I didn't leave because there was more profit elsewhere. Well, yeah
I know that I mean that leaving because there's less profit where you are or leaving because there's more profit elsewhere
Think they're both technically just different sides of the same coin
I think they're a little different Did one of them is like leaving because of opportunity and they're the ones leaving because of the lack of opportunity. Yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah, same coin same coin different sides. I think it matters different outcomes. Yeah
Um Shipments of crucial products are expected to end in
2026 with warranty and support continuing for some time
Um, I'm just I'm just bummed right because at the end of the day we talk about this endlessly there is an
Inherent advantage to having more competition in the market and losing micron in this in this space
Which I guess Technically they haven't announced
Um
Actually, I guess yeah, technically they haven't announced so nothing would technically
Prevent a DRAM module maker from buying micron DRAM chips
Which seems like what they want anyway continuing to make modules out of them
It's just that the crucial brand the first-party micron retail brand crucial is no longer going to be
available to us and You know, I might have kind of talked myself out of being quite as
bummed about this. I Don't think so to me it it feels like you're you're doing less competition
I think there's a lot of like if you remember what happened with GPU prices during like
3000 series and whatnot where they absolutely blew up and then when that demand started fading the prices didn't come back down and then AI
Started happening and then they went back up again Oh, be clear. I this feels like a opportunity to crank DRAM prices to be clear the AI
The AI price bubble in memory is absolutely going to be felt for a very long time
Yeah, I'm not questioning that I just mean the loss of the crucial brand specifically. Oh, yeah, whatever
Maybe they weren't that crucial
Like you can still buy you can still buy memory from Corsair
You can still buy memory from I don't know Patriot. Yeah, I mean man
You've experienced this right you show up at Computex and
Every year you walk the trade show floor there
There's probably a dozen memory brands. You've never heard of but you're probably looking at three memory brands worth virtual chips
Probably there's like yeah, you got your Samsung your SK high Knicks
You got your micron you got who am I forgetting guys? I'm sure I'm forgetting
The Chinese one the Houston no longer change in memory technologies
Chinese brands, I don't know if we're actually seeing those in in North American products not around here today
How did I forget Samsung? Sorry? Yeah, Sam?
Today, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure Kingston know hyper X Kingston is not an actual DRAM
Like yeah, they're not a fab. They're a module packager
G-skill same thing. They are a module packager. They're not they're not actually a fab
Yeah, like if I look at I just I just popped up Amazon and took a look in the sidebar
Dato sure all the brands Corsair G-skill team group crucial Kingston XPG Samsung
All the way down. Yeah, there's basically three brands making all those chips and
I mean, I guess yeah, you'll still be I guess for me
What I am actually gonna miss I'm gonna miss crucial more probably on the SSD side
Because while they've for the most part actually recently, they've had some really nice gen 5 drives, but for the most part
Crucial hasn't even necessarily been like the highest performing SSDs
But what they have been is one that I can trust that probably won't be trash
Whereas when I buy an SSD like when it comes to like I don't and maybe
This is maybe this is a really weird mentality but I actually think I care more about
The the trust that I have in the brand for my SSD then for my RAM
Even though like RAM can have a huge impact obviously on system stability and performance
Yeah, I don't agree. I think I I'm I
Just don't want I just don't want to lose my data and
You know in my gaming system Realistically my boot SSD probably doesn't matter that much because my point because all of my data is gonna be backed up somewhere else
But there's there's areas where I'm gonna I'm gonna use an SSD that is not my gaming system and like yeah, okay
Yeah, I should run raid one, you know on my boot drive on my NAS
It'll off-site stuff too. Yeah, I'd be just annoying to have to restore and whatnot. Yeah
Yeah, and like RAM I can I can run a system stress test and then I'm gonna have a pretty good idea if it works. It's a
you know, it's it's it doesn't wear the same way that NAND flash does and
Man and with DRAM like the way the grading works for it. It's it's more down to speed
It's more down to performance bins for it So if it's like working it will probably stay working like there isn't like a better reliability grade
Whereas with NAND flash They're graded not just in terms of performance, but they're graded in terms of their reliability in terms of so
When I'm buying an SSD from a rando brand, I don't know if I'm getting an OCC agility or if I'm getting
You know, I again so now I'm sitting here going okay, well who who am I going to then for my
Definitely using reliable Tier NAND in their consumer brand plenty of other options. Yeah, there's Samsung who's probably gonna be probably will be fine
Give me another give me another first party one though. Like actually does SK. I just can't it does have their own consumer
Isn't that SK hynix? No No, SK hynix has their own consumer brand, but I don't think they're I don't think they have a presence in North America
Uh, does team group just use them a lot? I remember there being something about that
SK hynix, I'm gonna I'm gonna check. Oh
Yeah, SK hynix is in North America now
Okay, just first party branded What the heck is this? Oh, Clev. That's what I was thinking not team group Clev my bad
My bad. I meant. Yeah, I meant Clev. I don't know why I screwed those up. It's Dan. Hi. He's the problem. It's Dan
Check this out. Oh, that's Luke. I pressed Linus laptop
Nice, so I was uh, yeah, so SK hynix definitely also. What is this?
Huh, oh my oh my oh my oh my yeah, Clev is closely tied to SK hynix
It's from the brand SM core, which is they distribute SK hynix memory blah blah blah got it. Okay, cool
Anyway
Still a downer We're we're never gonna root for
A company exiting a space because no, this is bad. Yeah, because from our point of view more competition is more better
But it's not like, uh
It's clear where their focus has been anyway
Yeah, um, like they could have kept the crucial brand
And just quietly like not manufactured anything and they might not have had the same, you know
Headline splash that they're getting now But the effect would have been exactly the same because they're only making so many wafers
And then they choose what to make on those wafers and they're obviously going to target
Their commercial customers Yeah, and it's been it's been if you if you've been paying attention at all
Which I can I don't really blame you too much for not But if you have it's been pretty brutally and blatantly obvious that
Nobody in the DRAM space cares about you at all
Just like it's literally commodity be super clear and and it has been constant price fixing for like
Getting close to like 30 years like this is not not constant but a cycle
There's been a cycle of hey these guys all got caught place. They've been caught price fixing
Every like five to eight years for like 30 years. I think it's been a me that feels constant three times that I can think of
In the time that I've been a pc enthusiast But when I when I say it's literally commodity, I do mean it is like literally
A commodity like you can you can get an account on
DRAM exchange and you can watch the tickers for all the various all the various DRAMs
Um And that's been a thing again for as long as I've been part of the industry
So the good thing to go the good news is that as a commodity
When it falls it actually does tend to fall fall
Um, and it may we may have a shot. I just feel like this might be one of the stepping stones towards resisting that fall
Oh, it'll resist it. I mean remember the uh, what was it? I think it was the thailand floods that wiped out
Oh, that was rough over half of the production the like global production capacity for the motors that spin hard drives
Uh, that was a thing back in what was it like 20 30 or something like that really was was it was it that recently?
When when were the the I thought we were I often
Gauge news based on When and where we were talking about on 2011. I'm closest without going over. Let's go. That's true. Um, no seriously though
It was it was around still suffering the effects at that time. Maybe um
Probably that might yeah, so so that well, that's exactly what I was going to say the the thailand floods. Um
So hold on they started in july intensified in september and october finally receded by january 2012
So we were actually that's it. We were actually both
Close to the the period so during that time hard drives went from like historic lows
Like they were they were dirt cheap It was sort of comical like you were basically buying a hard drive
For practically the like scrap metal price of a hard drive and then they went
To the point where like at ncix our strategy for trying to have any hard drives in stock
At hopefully some price that anyone would want to pay was we we actually enlisted people internally
To just go buy like retail hard drives like external hard drives and then shuck them so that we could put them in bags
I don't know if we ever actually did it, but we certainly talked about it
Um, just like everyone was like like land grabbing it was like the apocalypse
And and people like hoarding ammunition and canned food, but it was like people buying the enclosures from cosco and shucking them
I remember consumers doing that because basically every drive that was out in the retail channel already
That was sold at the the dirt cheap prices had just doubled or tripled in value like it was it was insane
um what happened and It was it was a long it was a long time
So on the one hand like yes, uh part of why it took so long to recover was that you don't just
Build up motor factory Overnight that's just not how that works
So it it took time for them to ramp production back up
And the other part of it is that they took their sweet time
ramping production back up because uh, I remember wd was probably the biggest beneficiary of it like their stock went
bonkers profit maxing at the time was wild because it the actual cost
Of the hard drive didn't really change
It was just that the supply got choked out. Yeah, so the demand went way up
So the profit margins that they were able to make went way higher, but and
Well, I thought you're done. I thought you're done I was gonna say I I understand that you're you're pointing out you can you can buy commodity deramble blah blah blah
But it really feels like uh a while ago sam altman said that they're doing great stuff with like tech innovation
But they need to start doing financial innovation and that was a little bit before
This whole circular money funnel thing started happening
And it feels like there are a lot more facets to this instead of just trading money in a circle
I think there's a lot of things happening. I think this is one of them where invidious deciding to
De-couple their shipments, so they're not shipping deram with their chips anymore
Micron is taking crucial out of the market all this stuff is happening. It feels like they're trying to pump RAM
Uh like as hard as they can. Oh, I don't I along with everything
I don't think they're pumping RAM. I think they're just I think there is a shortage
I think is what it boils down to because there's a there's a way for shortage right now
Sure, like they can't get enough just like the invidia one is weird to me because that's just more opportunity for invidia to mark things up
Well, what it is. Well, it's it's just that they can't get it
They want to ship they want to ship GPU's They're just they're not going to stop shipping GPU. I don't know how much they care about shipping consumer GPU's
Well, no, no, but ship it. No, they'll ship. They'll ship any GPU They're just they just want to ship GPU's and if supply of deram for their packaged GPU deram
Packet or vram. I guess it'd be in this case, but whatever basically ramp deram
Uh dynamic random access memory So if they're if they can't get the supply of the other widget like think what happened to the car industry during the silicon shortage during
Covid they just had these these almost finished cars that were just waiting on processors. That's the actual problem here
I could be wrong. It's definitely part of it 100 percent. It's part of it. Maybe there's there's no way
It's not part of it because remember too. It's not just the supply. It's also not knowing what the cost is
So it's really hard to price something where you can't get it
And also when you finally do get it it might cost more than what your anticipated quote was before
Invidia doesn't want to carry that liability So if they just ship the GPU's and they make it someone else's problem, then they don't have to worry about that
I just think it's sure maybe I think it's part of a a series of steps that are going to result in
DRAM prices being permanently higher than they were before so
I I would say that except that
The the long term the like zoom out from the the crisis we're in now
zoom out view Is we've been through shortages before
And DRAM's overall price trend towards getting way cheaper over time
My point is that they're making systemic changes that might resist that in the future crucial being out of the market and
And invidia not packaging things together and certain other steps that are happening as well
Well, I also agree that I think it's going to fall is this whole ai things like rather clearly a bubble
That's going to pop at some point. So there's there's a couple things So one is like samsung has never been in the consumer DRAM market or I shouldn't say never actually in the ddr one day
You could buy consumer samsung memory modules
But I think ddr two and onward definitely you couldn't with ddr three. They went oem only and they went uh enterprise only
and That clearly has not had a devastating impact on the consumer DRAM market other than when they've been caught price fixing along with the rest of the industry
Yeah But again, so the the macro trend of DRAM pricing marching ever downward in spite of there having been shortages
They're having been price fixing scandals. They're having been major manufacturers of
Of DRAM chips not participating in the retail market
All of these things have been true at various points in the past and DRAM has marched
Ever downward other than blips and the reason that I think that this time will be no different
Is that unlike the thailand floods where we did see elevated hard drive pricing for a very long time
They rode that wave as long as they could with the major hard drive players
You've got wd and c gate sitting there, you know
kind of going Yeah, who's gonna who's gonna crack who's gonna blink who's gonna blink who wants the volume back
But the pc industry the electronics industry in general
Always wants the volume back and unlike what happened with hard drives
DRAM DRAM production has not really been disrupted
Other than the silicon wafer shortage that's going on right now. So there's a supply
Yeah, it's just it's just so much easier for them to control it because with the hard drives
It was the motors right at least in this case Um with with DRAM here. It's it's nothing. There's just only three players and I I've seen some comments talking about like
Oh, yeah, but it's a free market. So Someone will just come in and undercut them. Blah blah blah blah. It's not gonna happen. There's three fabs. Actually the chinese might
They're working hard at it. They've got one at least. Yeah
Um, and and even if they even if they don't I mean, it's a volume game once you've got your fab running
You they will they they will at times doesn't happen that often
But they'll they'll run them at a loss if that's the commodity market
It's not that dissimilar from industries like farming which is kind of crazy to think about
But once you've made the investment once you've got all the infrastructure once you've got all the trained workers
For a short period of time it can actually be less impactful on your business to run it at a loss in the shorter term
In order to starve out your competitors. That's how we ended up with so much consolidation in the industry
um So I am
hopeful in the medium to longer term in the short term this is going to suck
Yeah, a lot and so I think we're a hundred percent aligned there. Yes
And have you guys done that thing yet? Hold on. Hold on and
One thing that's going to suck for maybe the short to even medium term
Is that while they are not turning off any capacity other than what is constrained by a lack of wafers
Yeah, um the the active decision appears to have been made to not build
Any more capacity. I saw at least one of them hit the news for that one of the major DRAM guys
I yeah, I haven't seen because if they built more capacity
Basically, they they run it. You just run it. You don't just let a fab sit idle
Um, and once that happens again commodity, I remind you
Prices will be suppressed by increased capacity
um But for now it's going to be a really really really rough ride
What do you got there? Yeah, two of the biggest DRAM suppliers are skeptical about increasing production as they eye long term profitability
Yeah, I mean wouldn't you if WCCF tech everyone
Pretty much with two functioning brain cells to rub together
Knows that this AI thing Is not going to continue on its parabolic
Trend forever samsung and sk hynix. Those are the two
Like if you listen to if you listen to, you know, sam altman talk about it. He's like, yeah
uh AI forever forever AI to infinity and beyond right like they uh
Kind of showed their concerned hand a little bit. They have lately. Yeah
So if you were if you were a DRAM manufacturer and you were looking at the currently scaling demand for AI DRAM
Would you go? Hmm. I've seen this movie before
No, I am not going to 10x my manufacturing capacity
Because when the demand inevitably Collapses or at the very least levels off. I'm going to be stuck with
You know half a dozen fabs that I just don't have any demand for that's that's going to be a pretty big write down
The kind that gets me fired um
I honestly can't say that I would do anything windbond now. That's a name. I've not heard in a long time
No, he mentioned this in flow plane chat. Apparently they're back in the game
Uh, they're making DDR4
Did they ever did they ever leave the game or did they just kind of go go quiet? Maybe they just went quiet
I have no idea windbond. I mean it's like dfi like, you know dfi totally still exists, right?
Yep, like like dfi land party like the overclocking motherboards from way back in the day. They're totally still a thing
They do industrial boards um
Yeah, people are saying went quiet. I haven't heard about them in forever windbond. Get me some bh 5
Let's go Yeah, that's interesting. Get me some overclocking
ddr 1 Like that's that's the last time I remember windbond really showing up on my radar as a consumer anyway
Yeah, they're specifically saying despite the increasing adoption of DDR5 many industries continue to rely on DDR4 for its proven stability
And well-established ecosystem windbonds 8 gig DDR4 d RAM is designed for
neat Maybe I just haven't been away over them. Oh job would you say samsung is denying that now
Oh wait, no, it was responding to another chatter. So hold on. Never mind. Ignore what I just said. I thought they were talking to you
um Anyway
Oh in other memory news um
Samsung is denying reports that its semiconductor division recently refused to give its mobile experience division a 12 month supply of d RAM
And instead the mobile division to negotiate requests for d RAM quarterly
Stories appeared in scd daily and wccf tech citing unnamed industry sources
Um and pc gamer says the stories come as samsung semiconductor is restructuring production lines to focus on high margin products like hbm
And low power d RAM According to an update posted by pc gamer samsung says the claim that its semiconductor division has rejected certain customer requests is
Incorrect And that recent reports that samsung's ds division has rejected customer requests are baseless and not true
We're in close communication with global customers to address industry needs. Okay
Because that was that was kind of a spicy That was a spicy little bit of news
That apparently samsung's that statement doesn't feel like it rejects the original statement at all. Did I just hear that wrong?
Is there aren't aren't they talking about like the claim was that they
Refused to award a year's worth of d RAM to their mobile phone division and wanted to negotiate quarterly
And the response was we're in close communication with global customers
That has nothing to do with the concern, but they're also saying that it's not true that they rejected certain customer requests
So what exactly this means? We'll never know
um But I sincerely doubt that
Your galaxy phone is not going to get me. I was gonna say I I sincerely doubt it matters
Like how whether they start doing quarterly or yearly negotiations internally isn't who cares
It might be more expensive Hooray, hooray. Yeah, it's almost certainly. It's okay. You probably don't need a new phone. So it's all right
Unless you do Which would be a downer you can use one
That's true. I mean even I mean we saw it with GPU's even the second hand market can be impacted by our phones pumping right now
I won't be too smart. I doubt it. Not yet. Not yet. It'll be delayed
Yeah, because I mean that's the thing right is a lot of this stuff is purchased on contract
So that's why there were a bunch of headlines over the last probably month or two
Saying that oh, yeah, watch out DRAM pricing is going to go way up like the headline started hitting
Before the price increases started hitting and they'd be like, yeah, watch out
DRAM prices are going up and You know major memory oems are saying that they're completely booked through 2026 like that that's the thing right is we actually
Uh, oh, is this one is that one out yet? Is the kyoksia fab tour out yet? I reviewed it, but I don't know if it's up yet
Anyway, no, I don't I don't think it is. Anyway, one little one little detail from the kyoksia fab tour that a lot of people don't realize
is that The the processes that these wafers undergo for semiconductor manufacturing
it's not like It's not like they they they go and they set up the mask and they like
you know Hit it with the the deep uv or the extreme uv light and then it's like
Yay wafer done It's many many many steps
Like hundreds or even thousands of steps that these wafers go through
From the very start to the very end they will travel many many miles
Throughout the fab to complete all the various layers and steps and and build these things up
And it can take not it can take it takes months
So the timelines that these companies are operating on are not just like
Oh, uh, we got a big order. Let's make that order. It doesn't work like that. It's all forecasting
It's all pre negotiation to the greatest extent that they possibly can so it will be a while
before this this these Capacity constraints other various devices start to really hit us because I guarantee that someone like apple
They hit us now because word computer people
Yes But in terms of like consumer electronics
I guarantee you that apple is talking to major d-RAM manufacturers
Many many months even years in advance sometimes for their product procurement
And they are pre negotiating what their pricing is going to be so yeah the the next iphone
Might be okay, but if the ai boom continues
And they don't build more supply in order to alleviate the supply constraints then the next next iphone might see a significant price jump
Or it might not apple apple has margin to play with which sometimes
Very very rarely
They do use to absorb some increase in materials cost in order to keep their their retail friendly prices
Not Not very often, but like on their base tier on their base tier models for instance
They can go very aggressive sometimes like man the mac mini
They I think they had a black friday deal on it too last week
That thing is just such a great value and it's in its base configuration
Oh, okay, thanks Dan, uh qxfab tour is coming in 10 days apparently
All right. What do you want to talk about next sir? Uh, something else
Something else. Let's see netflix. Hooray
Uh, netflix makes things worse for everyone again. Wow
netflix buying that's what you chose Uh, it looks like this thing has been updated. Maybe yeah, we've added a new thing that happened like today
Wow After previously gatekeeping casting from the ad supported plan, netflix has officially removed support for casting to most
Devices definitely not all and some of the selection of them are weird, but to most devices
Uh, oh boy on all plans
I lost there it is Uh, netflix has quietly pushed an update with zero warning and only addressed the growing outrage by updating their help page
After Android authority broke the story about in
F***ing station on december 1st, uh, the
Not so long list of devices is that's still allowed to cast from netflix
Um, but still only on the non ad supported plan is the third gen of chrome cast or older
What that's a weird choice. This is what I meant. Yeah, um, google nest hub smart display, which I believe is also old
Um, select cast enabled visio TVs and select cast enabled compol TVs
Okay, uh, the the best guest the best guests that, uh, there's two different writers on this
So i'm not sure but one of the writers, uh, was able to find uh, was from pill lamb mod on reddit
Who said that casting was the last way to circumvent password sharing rules
Before so long as your phone had connected to your home wi-fi within the last month
You could watch netflix on any tv including a friends
X butters from the same thread, uh had this guess a big factor in netflix price increases are sports broadcasts
The move is likely to make it more difficult to stream sports from their phones to large audiences in places like pubs, etc
That's actually a super smart take. I would not have thought of that
That's like you think there's enough money in like
In sports in pubs having one netflix subscription
Well, no because if you're in a comer if you're at a commercial address they can gate that
They can monitor that Whereas if some if a consumer is there a different price for that? Probably actually that's a good question
I literally don't know. I don't know it wouldn't because it wouldn't surprise
okay, whether they can gate it by address or by payment method or not because
I can tell you right now a service can tell if you're paying on a corporate card
Yeah, they definitely like they could do those things. I just don't know if they are if nothing else
They could definitely have different terms and conditions
And then they could penalize you if you are violating the terms and conditions
um Hold on. So yeah, netflix
Oh, oh Right, but there's also the acquisition
In the background of this The Warner Brothers saying yeah
Okay. Oh, man. I feel like I got the I feel like I got the pins the pins and the strings are coming together
It's all coming together. I'll keep going Uh, netflix told wired that the real reason for the change is because not enough people use the feature
um, which They are not the only ones that are trying to push people to just use
Built into tv apps instead of casting
Um, a lot of users say that that is better
I think a lot of those users are kind of missing the point of that your
tv is easy to deprecate which I think we're getting into here in a second. Um, but either way
What we'll get there, uh, as a totally unrelated note
You can still cast from plex or jellyfin and casting to tv's from vlc has become a much better experience
Uh, netflix also announced that's not gonna help you that much with sports, but yeah, go ahead. Yeah, uh,
um, uh netflix also announced this morning that they are buying water bros for the total enterprise value
Of 82.7 billion dollars
The transaction is expected to complete in q3
2026 Uh, one of the notes here is lmao. My favorite thing is that netflix lists
As beloved franchise the big bang theory that was said by elijah
I mean, I can tell you there are definitely people who beloved the big there for sure are actually my grandparents freaking
Love there's actually a ton of people that really like it. And that's also why it got a spin-off. I don't disagree with elijah
I'm not necessarily the hugest fan Uh, or a fan at all, but
I don't think it's I don't think there's any benefit to putting our heads in the sand and going
I don't like this thing therefore no one likes it. Yeah for sure a lot of people do like I definitely I see that attitude so much and it's like
Okay, but no Yeah, that's not how that works. You don't get to decide
What other people like or don't like you can disagree
100% yeah, I don't think it's good entertainment personally But you don't get to decide that other people do not love it. There are a lot of fans. Yeah. Yeah
Numbers is numbers And math doesn't care what you think at all
Jeremy said holy should have been a headline topic. I mean, we didn't know about the Warner Brothers thing until after the show started
Well, we knew it was rumored. I didn't think it was uh, I didn't think it was confirmed yet
Did that just get confirmed today? Yeah
Wow, what a what a bomb to drop like what is going to be left
Of the entertainment industry
Uh I
Don't watch shows much. I have no idea like it's crazy like it for a long time there
It was being propped up by like cable subscriptions essentially, but those are dying
So then now one of the worst things about this stuff is that these types of services tend to kill shows really fast
Oh, I know. I just don't bother getting into a show anymore. Yeah, like big bang theory is still old tv
Like it's not we're talking something that ran for a really long time and they got spin-offs
I'd even argue Wasn't uh, it wasn't breaking bad old tv as well. Mm-hmm. I don't think game of thrones
Yeah, I gave it well. That was cable. That was our cable. I thought that was like hbo. Yeah, it was hbo
Oh, that was k. See, I don't do any of this. I'm not a i'm not a tv guy
Uh, yeah, this is wild. So no so chats like yeah, what type of shows does Warner Brothers have?
It's going to be disney versus netflix like yeah
Amazon's going to be in there somewhere just because I don't know they have enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens apple
Unless they unless they just stop being interested in it
um, I don't know apples motivations in the whole traditional media space seem super hard to
interpret at this point like they'll they'll do these
sort of vanity sort of crown jewel projects and stuff and then
I don't know they don't really seem to go super mainstream because they're kind of locked down in terms of access to them
and so They don't really get that much buzz and then I don't know they just seem to be kind of spinning their wheels over there
Uh, okay. So dc comics is part of uh part of Warner Brothers. Ip really uh, huh?
day Uh, what what else what else is in there? I mean animaniacs, I assume harry potter. Yeah, okay harry potter's a big one
I mean honestly harry potter is probably
Depending on how they play their cards probably worth the cost of admission
Alone just in terms of how much people watch the new stuff. Oh, dude. It's not it's not even that
It's like the games the volume of uh, well the games
Yeah, that that whatever that game was sold like crazy with that said I want to talk about it
Like I don't know what Rowling's take is though So I I don't know how how profitable the potter versus compared to you know, the ip's that they own out, right?
The lego film franchise apparently uh, that's I I I doubt that that's in perpetuity though
Like I'm sure the lego company gave themselves room to negotiate
Moving their ip to someone else if they really want to it's like something lord of the rings though
Okay, but the lord of the rings one is complicated because Warner Brothers owns the rights to
Like the lord of the rings But then there was the whole thing with amazon and the that like rings of power show
Where like different parts of the timeline could maybe be licensed to someone else and that whole thing was pretty complicated
If they felt like completely redoing the hobbit, uh, that'd be pretty sick
Oh, yeah, yeah, that would be that'd be amazing. That'd be cool. It's just deleting that from memory
Oh, it was so bad. That'd be totally fine So bad just one movie instead of three make it long have the extended edition be like four hours sure
But just yeah the lord of the rings books. It was one movie per book
Hobbit is a shorter book 23 books toge kb says it's really weird because there's a uk publisher that can sell harry potter books in the uk and europe
But not in the usa because someone else owns the rights to sell it there
So who knows how this counts for jk rallying? That's actually a really good point
in in in like in ip
ownership and licensing um, you can end up with really convoluted structures. Yeah because
The whole thing is built up at a time when it's not worth anything
in many cases and then The whole multi
Billions and billions and billions of dollars empire thing comes later
So someone who got in early with a certain slice of rights might have negotiated a really good deal back when it wasn't worth anything
And that might end up needing to be grandfathered in and worked around so the whole thing can get super complicated
And look chat your feelings on jk rallying are sort of irrelevant here because we're talking about money
And whether you like harry potter or you think he should have been a slither in or whatever, right?
Doesn't change that money
Like dude evan and i were um, evan and i were over in
Okay, once like looser or something in the flipping chat said wb had distribution for the big movies
But amazon bought the entire ip from the tolkien family. Okay, there you go then assuming that's true that that lays things out a little bit
um Anyway, yeah, so we were we were over in london last year
Evan and i and like we went to we were just walking around and there was this entire like store that was just
harry potter Yeah, um also massive industry. We were at disneyland and or was it disneyland or universal?
I can't remember whichever one has that game like i can't constantly can't remember the legacy
Yeah, it was one of the best-selling games the year it came out. Just no one talked about it. Yeah, but it sold like crazy
Sold like billio. Yeah, so we're we're just talking about how much they paid for this acquisition
Yeah, and how much money they're likely to be able to make on it in the longer term netflix is gonna
Disney's someone said netflix is worth two two point five times disney. It's nuts
Yeah, disney's just getting raked by everyone right now though like and i said rake to just be clear
Didn't their last picks our film just like Well, i'm like they're they're they're
Thing forever has been uh kids stuff, right? They they get you interested at the beginning and then they keep you interested forever
But then the adults are super into like disney stuff and bluey is just dunking them dude
Mmm on the on the like actually like kids shows and bluey is dunking on everybody
so Yeah, disney
Feels like they're falling behind a little bit disney just announced that they are re-showing endgame in theaters
What
That's wild actually that's kind of sad You know what's really i don't hear anyone talk about the marvel movies anymore any of the new ones
Oh, dude. No, well, who cares no one cares at all. Eternals just killed it for me
I don't even know what that is so bad. It was just unwatchable. Yeah
They they tried to introduce like nine new characters. Oh boy. None of it made any sense in like and and look
I'm not i guarantee you i am not the most insufferable
Mm-hmm, but actually the canon person in your life
but I care I care
That you care enough to at least make an attempt to help me with my suspension of disbelief here
Like that that's what I care about Lord of the Rings movies had a bunch of stuff happening that didn't happen in the books
But it felt truthful to the books. It felt honest to the books and and it was it was it was truthful to its own rules
That it established. Yeah. Yeah. So the issue with Eternals
Is that it basically took Everything that had happened up until that point which included like endgame and stuff like like like universe level
Annihilation s*** right and was like, yeah, these guys
They're so powerful that they could have prevented it all
But they were sleeping It's like what are you even talking about?
Like that's so stupid Don't disrespect me like that. There's different like
Uh, man, like I I've heard about the the witcher show. I never watched it, but I heard that it was like
Very difficult to keep the showrunners like
on lore Yeah, I've heard that about a bunch of different things
Well, it's because everyone has their own like ego, right? Yeah, and they want to put their own fingerprints on it
Then with like lord of the rings you hear about how the cast and the director and everyone was like would basically walk around set with the books
And would just like constantly be reading and try to figure out what their character would do in different scenarios
It's almost like you acquired the source material
For a reason. Yeah, right and like you don't have to stick to it perfectly
It's a movie you have to change some things to keep pace up and do all these other kinds of things
But as long as you're like trying to do it justice it's it's a completely different scenario
Yeah, and and to be clear there are cases
There are cases Where dramatic changes can be made to the source ip and you can still end up with a great product
How to train your dragon is the example. I always come back to yeah, okay
toothless In the how to train your dragon novels
Okay, toothless is like this big
And at the very beginning the humans and dragons coexist and the dragons are like
Like Basically have the role of like dogs in their in their universe. Wasn't it like the the author like supported the changes or whatever?
She was yeah, she helped. Yeah, which is like that's also awesome
But how to train your dragon one which other than the main character being named hiccup
And his dragon being named toothless And his dad being named stoic like other than names and that it was like viking themed
Has nothing to do with the first novel of how to train your dragon and it is a perfect movie
Literally perfect I I will I will go on record saying how to train your dragon the first animated film is a perfect movie
It's unfortunate that you have to say the first animated film. I know it's tough. It's tough, isn't it? Yeah, it's a hard life
It's a hard life
Anyway, the point is that
Kathleen Kennedy needs to go
Yeah, how is she still
I have no idea dude. It's so strange. She's squandered like the world's most recognizable ip
I genuinely think like that mentality is why disney's dying
Like that should have been so the fact that the the new star wars series was allowed to be made
Even sort of in the way that it was made is is
Must be a I don't even know if it's fair to say micro but microcosm of why disney's dying in general
And the fact that that is still allowed to continue is like, uh, yeah, you guys are just screwed
Like that is I don't know if leadership is just asleep or what's going on
But like who does she have pictures of and what animal are they fucking?
That's what I need to know I
Wish they could have heard the uncensored version of that
I think that was probably funny anyways, but hearing that fully uncensored was great
Oh man J. H. Tom says Mandalorian was great though. I only watched the first season
It was great Relative yeah to what we'd been getting. Yeah
I I completely agree. I enjoyed it. We were that desperate
But a lot of watching it. I couldn't get the I couldn't get the brain worm out that was like
If the other stuff was like as good as it could have been this would have been mediocre
I couldn't I couldn't get that out of my head D. Hollinger says Kathleen Kennedy pushed for andor, which is apparently good
I haven't watched I've heard very good things about and apparently the issues with rise of skywalker are known to be pushed by
Bob Iger not Kathleen Kennedy Well, then oh my god, he's back too. What are they gonna do? She overlooked the
The renewed trilogy thing. Yeah, that was that's enough
Yeah, I can appreciate that. She's maybe I don't know done good things since then
That should have never been allowed to happen in the first place who was responsible for solo story
Because that was that was pretty bad um
I have no idea Yeah
All right, well anyway, um good luck netflix with your new
uh acquisition. I hope that you um
Are good to us consumers whose wallets you milk for profit. I was gonna say and they won't be
I know which was like proven by the beginning of this topic
And like yeah, no more casting. I gotta be honest with you. I I don't cast I used the native apps on
That's the problem. Yeah, the timing
The timing does look very convenient, doesn't it? Yeah
Uh-huh one of our discussion questions we did not
Talk about is what streaming service is worth paying for I don't pay for any of them
Um, I'm I'm gonna you know what? YouTube premium
Okay, fair enough. I think youtube premium is worth it. Is that a
It's a streaming service you stream and it's a service. Yeah, and it includes all the music you can eat
Yeah That part's pretty good Like I I don't think I okay, so I agree with you. I think youtube premium is sick. I've been subscribed to it for many many years
We gain from saying this in a way because if you watch our stuff with youtube premium
We get more money. Oh we gain from it directly to the people who are watching right now. Yes
Unless they're on full plane lol But another quality streaming service, but yeah, hell. I mean, yeah, there you go. That's uh that that one worth
It is very subjective for that one though. I mean, yes the worth is hey like there's the exclusives
We really appreciate you guys. We've got exclusives. You get early access to deals a couple times a year
Um, but you know that but I'm not we're not saying all of this because it's not really it's not really a streaming service
It's more like a it's more like a patreon. It's more like an in-house patreon for a content creator that you like. It's not
Because you you you don't subscribe to the service
You give a monthly payment to individual creators on float please in that case sauce plus
Uh, yeah, okay sauce plus subscribe to the service pretty cool service. There we go
Uh, but anyways, all of that isn't for for personal benefit stuff. I I don't subscribe to
Basically any of those platforms and the reason why I don't is because I don't like
Not owning my stuff. Sure Floatplane
Uh, if the creator Decides
You can download the content. I'm gonna be honest with you. I have a netflix subscription and
Maybe this won't be a popular take with some people
I just shamelessly download any netflix shows and I put them on my plex
Yeah, cool. I pay my premium subscription every month. They are not getting their like viewer tracking from me, which is
part of the value for them I thought they're downloading like downloaded it into a like closed version of the is there. Oh, I don't use that
Okay, got it. Yep. All right. Yeah So I just I shamelessly pirate the netflix shows that I give them money for
So I just don't I don't care at that point and like, yeah
I know that I'm only subscribing to a license to watch them while I'm paying the subscription, but um
No, like that that's the point where I'm just like I'm good with it. Yeah
Same for amazon. I'll download an amazon show without one moment's hesitation. I have a prime subscription
Um, I'm not proud to have a prime subscription these days. Yeah, sure like honestly
Um But sometimes it's it's very convenient. I do go out of my way
I remember talking to you about this a while back before I buy something on amazon
I will search and I'll try to find it elsewhere. Like I needed to buy some rollerblade wheels
I got I got trapped this holiday season 80 dollars in shipping
To buy rollerblade wheels, but the craziest part is to get quality wheels on amazon. It was like impossible anyway
Yeah, so I did search both And I was just like, you know what? No, this is why I search other sites
Because I want a quality product and because I wanted to support someone other than amazon
That's the fact that I'm paying 80 dollars in shipping. Did it come from europe or something? No shipping's just really expensive for small businesses
That's something that a lot of people don't realize anymore
Because amazon completely changed people's perception of what shipping costs nuts. Yeah
It is crazy. I I got I got trapped. I had to buy something off amazon recently
I like I'm not trying to project you guys do whatever you want. I try to really like
Basically never shop from amazon There was a christmas list thing and it included an item
That is sold Literally only on amazon really you can't buy it directly from the company kindle. You can't buy it was a specific book
You can't buy it directly from the publisher or something. You can't the no other bookstore had it
It was wild rare. I tried to buy it from like indigo
They listed it on their site, but it was zero in any store and zero online
Huh, so it was like, okay Neat. I just I can't
I asked like I called a couple local bookstores. Nobody had it
I think it's just like not a super well-known book. What is it a good book? I have no idea
Not for me. Right. Yeah. Yeah, not a single clue. Never heard of it before
Hopefully It was asked for
But yeah, so I I just amazon was the publisher. No, um, not quite
But I yeah, I couldn't get anywhere else. So I was like, okay. Well
That's right. Yeah He gave money to daddy bezos. I did he is now part of the solution to putting a penis rocket
Into orbit Not much of the solution, but you're part of it. You're part of it one of us one of us just the tip
Exactly I try I tried to like
I don't know. I didn't want to make my little crusade against doing that
Break the bonds of earth to to touch the tip of god
There's that you know that like
But they like reach past
Give a little tickle
You know humanity is truly lost
Not only not only are we like limp arming and not really trying but instead we're reaching bad. Yeah
We won't properly reach out to touch the the hand, but yeah, yeah wash it first. Oh, man
But late at night
No, but you seem to really love jesus
You see like the I don't even remember who it is But the the guy like just partially holding his hand out like enables private browsing
All right anyways, we're supposed to explain merch messages. Hey, um, if you don't know what merch messages are
They're the way to interact with the WAN Show. We do not want you guys just throwing money at your screen
Um, we we want to work for you to throw money at your screen
We want to give you something of value in return. And what did we come up with this week?
Oh boy, did we ever come up with something luke? Do you want to fire up the site? Sure
Oh, right. I was gonna explain so if you're gonna throw money at your screen during the WAN Show
You do it with a merch message. You add something to your cart
Here, I'll I'll show you how to do it so much going on. Uh, you add something to your cart
Sorry, one sec. There's just so much going on and then you'll see the merch message interface. We are live
You can leave a merch message. It could look like whatever you want something like this
You set a color you set whether you want to make your name appear You want it to be anonymous and then you go ahead and place your order for whatever it is that tickles your
fancy Then it will go to producer Dan
Who is oh who is joined today? Uh, it'll go to producer. Oh, sorry. I missed you there. Go ahead. Oh, no, I got you again
There we go It'll go to producer Dan who will pop it up down here or reply to it or who will curate it
For me and luke to respond to we're gonna show you what that looks like in a second
But first let's talk about something you might want to pick up with your merch message
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We also have the game on set which features a uh, but hold on uh a game on print
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Uh, oh, whoa, what?
Oh, we've got another big LTT Store announcement
While the site's been blood buzzing with black friday cyber monday and holiday loot drop shoppers our mailbox has been buzzing too
We've been receiving your holiday loot drop mail-in entries and some of them are
Interesting
I've seen this it says do not show the address which did that totally makes sense
um I suggested we show this on the show
Hold on. I just gotta
Are you able to bring that up Dan? Do you have the picture?
Oh
Yeah, uh Wow
That is something
um
So that was that was one of the contest entries
Which you now own I think
I think that's how that works. Oh joy
Oh my goodness That's right up there with weirdest things I've seen today
Today, yeah, I was gonna say all time. It's honestly
Yeah, no, it's not the way I mean it's not most of all I've sent you worse things in the last week
Yeah, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it took me a second, but definitely
Wow I'm almost afraid to open this other one
This wait this one. I don't think has been open. Oh, oh, hold on
Uh, oh, yeah, this is just this is just the envelope for that. Okay
um Anyway, so for context, there was a way to enter the holiday loot drop with no purchase necessary
That's a legal requirement in canada. See you later. Um
Uh, and so, uh, that was something that was sent to us. Okay
Wow um Anyway, uh speaking of loot drops and deals. We're doing a few bonus deals before the year ends
Oh, cool. Uh, is this is this like on is there somewhere you can go? I'm checking LMG.gg slash bundle up so you can go there
For our us customers From now until december 17th when you buy a commuter backpack, you'll get a free elgato stream deck mark 2
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dollars of savings There are a few more great bundles that you guys can check out here. We've got a CPU fidget spinner plus
Corsair Thunderbolt 3 dock for $99.99. All right
mcm starter solution plus an m75 air ultra light wireless gaming mouse for 80 bucks
We've got the wan backpack with steel series arctis nova forex bundle
For 249, which is basically getting those headphones for free
um global customers Bad news y'all really took advantage of our free shipping
So we don't really have any bundles But what we do have is a bit more stock of our retro monitor pet cave. So we're running that for just $29.99
That is $40 of savings We also have our mcm essentials kit. So our magnetic cable management essentials kit for $80, which is $100 off
This is a great time to get into mcm And we also have the razor death adder essential in white for 20 bucks. That is over 50 off
So there's lots of value. Uh, do you want to bring those up? I've got a couple. There isn't a bundle page for it
Um, but hold on. Hold on. It's not a free elgato streamdecker senheiser headphone for the us site. It's a bundle price
Additional $50 only for the item. That's that's that's a thing. So, okay. Thanks arty
Cool. Good chat. Uh, lots of value packed in there. I hope you snag something cool for you or your friends and family
So hold on. Oh, sorry. There you go. It's just it's not a collection. Wow. We're really just selling just a mouse for 20 bucks
Wow, I mean It's good price. What do you want? Wow
Cool. We're really good chat. All right. Yep
Uh, well, we had them for a bundle at some point, I think. Okay, uh, but right now we have mice right so
Neat. So kitties go get the mice
Because we're doing the cats gamers. He's he's calling you all cats. Well, I mean, they're cool cats. Oh, wow
they're They're so cool. They're five times cool. They're cat five. I you know what? It doesn't matter
We also hate mondays. Yeah
It is monday, right? I'm pretty sure it's monday. It's been monday for a decade
It's been monday for a decade You're just describing your 30s, Dan
Oh, no How did you know I was 64?
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What is the benefit of using the coarse air Thunderbolt 3 dock over a USB-C hub that has the same ports?
Not much Um, actually hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Um, Thunderbolt can do some special stuff. It is a little different. Yeah
Yeah, so Thunderbolt can daisy chain, which is pretty cool. Um, Thunderbolt
Um, can have more bandwidth available to it. Um, which is also pretty cool. Um
I'm not a hundred percent sure which is that a Thunderbolt 3 dock?
I think it's Thunderbolt 3. So I don't know if it supports the the like the the boosted
Downstream upstream, whichever stream is out of the computer
To run more monitors, but that is a benefit of Thunderbolt. Uh, Thunderbolt is also connected to PCIe
So you can connect devices that require Thunderbolt rather than ones that run through just a usb controller
So running things like e gpus for instance now It is worth noting that that's not super relevant for hub use because you wouldn't want to run an e GPU at the end of a Thunderbolt
daisy chain, uh, because it's not going to get the full bandwidth. You're not going to get the full benefit, but
Thunderbolt and usb 4 Are not quite the same thing as just a USB-C usb 3 ports. They they do have some special functionality
Yeah, it is nicer. I don't know if you'll end up using the benefits, but I mean if you're buying
Holy use of dock is worth a lot of money
My goodness. What the heck?
Of course, their site it's Yeah, but that's let's be real out of stock. So is that just like that's pricing that was just never updated after this was
EOL'd probably it was EOL'd. Okay. Yeah, so they were trying to flip the rest of stock
So to be clear it's worth somewhere in between zero dollars and that much
It's just a lot for a dock, but it's a nice Thunderbolt. I'm not saying like, oh my god. You're getting a crazy deal
I'm just saying it's a lot for a dock
Bad docks. I don't know if this dock is necessarily good or not, but bad docks can be really annoying
I'll say that much. Yep Yeah, this one this one seems fine
We've actually bundled this dock before and we've had perfectly good feedback on it's a Cromulant Thunderbolt dock. Nice
Right, well, that's what you got. U-Trolls says is there no bundles for the global site. So this is the whole thing
You know how our Certain customers in certain regions have asked us many times very calmly and quietly
Um, why do you not have a distribution center in our region to lower our shipping costs?
It's because there is a lot of cost and a lot of overhead involved in having multiple distribution centers and a lot of just
administrative burden and this is one of the things that I'm talking about because
absolutely nailing your stock distribution when you order in is practically impossible
That thing that he just said and you guys had a better deal
realistically during the black friday sales where it was a hundred dollar threshold
But it was a hundred dollar threshold for the canadian site or the american site
Meaning the american site's threshold for free shipping was effectively a hundred u.s. Dollars
Yeah, this is a hundred canadian dollars, which is very different. So what we discovered was that
um Global sales go burr when there's free shipping when there's free shipping at such a low threshold
I don't know that we will do a low threshold like that again
Because the global site vastly outperformed our
Um our expectations For the mix compared to the u.s. Site. I think it's also a factor that the u.s. Market is a little bit
Um challenging right now
I've heard I've heard scuttle, but that it was a relatively slow black friday period in the u.s. This year
Which totally makes sense given that I've heard that there was less sales
volume But technically more sales dollars our margin was higher. Yes
I can it sounds like margins are up Overall sales volume is down
It's almost like all of these things that we've been talking about for the last little while are just kind of true
Where it's a it's a small slice
Of the american consumer and that small slice
Isn't going to care as much about the like, you know Stampede over each other and have deaths trying to get into best buy type of sales
They're just going to buy luxury stuff that they want. Yes at and they might have just been waiting
I don't know a good deal is cool But like yeah, it's not the same. We don't have the same level of black fridays that we used to have it's just
It's kind of a fact. Oh speaking of there was our cool little piece of news that i'm not sure if it yeah
Oh, oh, this is so sick um
New york introduces a new algorithmic pricing act. We never did any merge messages Dan. What you did one
We did one. Did we oh, okay cool Uh, all right, sure. Let's let's move on. We'll do more merge messages. We'll do more later
New york attorney general leticia james has issued a statewide consumer alert
Following the rollout of the algorithmic pricing disclosure act, which is now in effect
The law requires most businesses using algorithmic or surveillance pricing to clearly disclose when a price is being set
using a customer's personal data Companies that fail to do so can face penalties of one thousand dollars
per violation awesome
This is awesome very cool
Based even yes algorithmic pricing systems if you're not familiar with them
Adjust prices based on factors like location
Income browsing behavior and past purchases meaning that two customers may be charged different amounts for exactly the same product
The attorney general is urging new yorkers to compare prices across devices
Accounts and locations. Hey now's a perfect time to shout out our vpn partner p.i.a
You'll find a link to them down below And file complaints if disclosures are missing
Affected businesses are now required to display the statement
This price was set by an algorithm using your personal data
This is a step in the right direction
Or hear me out What if we just
Don't have algorithmic pricing What could we make our way could we make our way there?
would Geographically set pricing count as that because are they pulling in your location? Does that count as that?
Because that has often been praised Yeah, well hold on. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. Let's back up. Let's back up a second here. There's always
There's always unintended consequences and the last thing that I want is for someone from Turkmenistan
To all of a sudden not be able to afford any of the services they use because they have to like pay in us dollars or whatever
That's not that is not what I want
Um, okay, and I don't think it's quite as simple as just setting
You know having a different domain that is just like cheaper because then everyone will buy it
Just use it. So you'd need to grab some amount of
That's okay. Okay. Okay, but but okay, but it's clear that there's elements of algorithmic pricing that they just shouldn't be using
Why do you need my income? Yeah, and they do that. Yeah, you don't need that. Yeah to set a price the price should be the price
Hmm Man
We'll see we'll see how it goes. I in general seems like a cool idea. Yeah, I mean at least
If nothing else this is this is a start
This is awareness. Yeah raising awareness for how your data is being used. I'm just I'm just worried that if it ends up on
Literally everything or not quite okay relax not quite literally everything but close to everything
um, I'm a little bit worried that
People will just become numb to it because it's on everything because it also includes geos. Yes
I'm worried it's I would like this to really go after things like where it's taking in your
Your income or or or how frantic you might be
For trying to book a flight or knowing Because of email scraping or some junk like that that there's a or or you know data sharing
That there's a funeral that you have to go to so you're probably not going to miss that flight so they can upcharge you
Whatever this is a thing that they do um
I would like it to be able to focus on stuff like that. I would like the threshold to be a little bit up
Just so that we don't become desensitized like as you said we a lot of people have with cookies
The wudow of what and for plain chat says how the f can they even know about my income?
Well, that's why I think this is So based because all of a sudden it's going to make you ask that and there's
So many ways like I don't know how careful you are about the way that you post online. Maybe maybe you're super careful
But something as simple credit card company might sell your data uploading. Oh, okay that too, but okay, let's
And your bank and your insurance company and everything else
I mean Yeah, a credit score would be one that company that you
Used to send out rsvp's for your wedding might sell that data
So people can tell these sites can tell if you're going to a wedding or not
Yeah, um, there's like that type of stuff all over the place
Yeah, your data has value you you all know that your data has value
But this is one of the ways that your data has and we can even quantify it
We we can actually quantify how much value your data has by just looking at products that have an ad supported version
And then have a no you just pay for this version or like a data supported version rather
So like facebook for instance has in the in the eu
They have paid versions of their accounts. So you you can you can quantify like exactly how much the average person's
Data is worth. I mean we saw with the with them. Was it the meta quest two?
Or the one was the first one that had a non
Facebook account version that was like double the price or whatever it worked out to
Like the the ad subsidy that goes into products is more than you would more than most people would think
Yeah, I think I mean there's there's that classic story people in full planchetta pointed out
But we've talked about this on wansha before target figured out that a girl was pregnant before
Like a high school age girl was pregnant before her dad did
Really yeah, because of like shopping habits and credit card spending and stuff
I mean, was it as simple as like buying pregnancy tests or like don't well that doesn't say that you're pregnant
Right. I mean if you bought like five it might yes
Um, but yeah, I'm not sure exactly what it was but something along those lines
Funky shark 88 says and yet companies floated by just fine without the need to sell supplements and vitamins apparently in decades gone by
um Yeah
Yeah, yeah, they did. I mean I um
Makes I I remembered it being before she knew herself as well But I just looked it up and everything says it was her dad
So I think we're I think we're just remembering correctly Mandela affecting ourselves here. I think so. Yeah
Yeah, I don't know LTT Store manages to exist just fine without selling company or company without selling customer data
um, I I don't really
I don't really see why this has to be done either
There are industries that I do understand why they've moved that way. Um, I don't like it. I hate it in fact
um, the airline industry is one for instance that
has Been under a lot of self-imposed pressure
to to grow in volume and therefore has made a lot of
questionable decisions to to maintain profits
um Like I don't know it's I was talking to Yvonne about this the other day
Like when we were kids Both of us like our family is growing up. We had like
Two vacations our entire childhoods that were like fly somewhere three. I think I think I was I was at three
and like I don't know talking to other parents at the school man. There's families that like
Go somewhere every year early. Yeah, like they fly somewhere every year. Yeah, and yeah, that wasn't us either
Yeah, I that like wasn't that I don't think that was a thing when we were kids
Yeah, I don't think so and so in order to and so coming back to what I was saying about how when you build the capacity
You like kind of have to use it um So if the if the value of the seat goes down
Then you have to squeeze other places in order to maintain your profit
I think they've done to themselves this race to zero dude. I was at the this is only tangentially related
But I was at the airport uh lax
And my gate so from from security
All the way through to the end of the walkable area. I checked every single store that sold
bottles of water Every single one of them only had the really expensive
Like fancy like path or whatever like the the metal or fiji. No not even what really they only had metal bottles
There literally wasn't a single like cheaper plastic bottle thing and these are like
Really expensive like more expensive than all of the other drinks there bottles of water
And it was every single store in the entire
Whatever you want to wing or whatever it's called um
It was brutal It was really brutal. I'm trying to find a picture right now water you just screwed
I took a picture of a sandwich that I refused to buy
on a recent trip because I was just So I was like
Like offended by the price legitimately So upset by the price of it that on my way out of the store. I like made a comment to another customer just
Just because I needed someone to talk to about how
ludicrous This price was I I don't know if I'm going to be able to find it
but uh I was just like I would rather look and I'm not going to pretend
Let's make this abundantly clear. I'm not going to pretend that I couldn't afford to buy it. I could
But I wouldn't people in full plan chat are talking about how there was a
Uh, here it is. There's a dude who bought something in cash at walmart and he got an email later on asking to review it
Because he used like biometric camera data stuff. Oh my god. Yeah
Shoot, did I not?
I didn't there's a class action lawsuit from 2022 of walmart, uh
Collecting storing and using customer biometric data
Dang Dan i'm gonna send this to you. It wasn't a sandwich. I uh, I misremembered it and unfortunately
I didn't write down the price. What I do know was that it was over 10 us dollars
um Yeah, so someone in full plan chat said now that walmart cash transaction is bs. Yeah, I can't find like real facts on it
I just found like someone's like selfie video. I don't know. Okay, Dan throw this up doesn't necessarily mean much
So by the time I converted to canadian, I was basically going to be like eating quarters essentially
So what do you guys what it came out to a carrot?
Yeah, you've got some carrot slices. Yeah some cucumber a little bit of ranch dressing
So this was at c-tech, uh, seattle airport
And I just I just I wanted some I wanted like some vegetables because when you travel
I don't know what it is, but I just I have a hard time finding like no, I absolutely agree because you're always eating out
And like when I was at defcon I tried to stop at a little corner store to get some a little like fruit and vegetables little thing because I was like
Oh my god, it's just garbage everywhere. Basically. Yeah, and the cashier warned me. He was like you probably don't want to buy that
I was like why and he's like Uh, like because there's no pricing on really anything. He's like, I don't remember what it was, but it was something like
I was actually somewhat stunned at how I don't remember how much it was. I wish it did
But he I was I like banked him and put it back and was like, yeah, I mean
Yeah, that is too much. I refused to buy it. It's just like I I'm not gonna like I've I've never really been able to
Get get over the like How much because I I don't know. I don't know. I just have a busy brain
And so I'm always doing the math of like
How much per when I'm when I'm doing something sure so like paintball
I I really I really struggled when I played at like the commercial fields
Because I'd be like nickel
nickel nickel
Quarter Dollar dollar. Yeah, you know, I missed all of those it cost me a dollar to do nothing
Yeah, like I just cost me a dollar to give my position away. Yeah, right exactly. What what a terrible value
And so I I don't I have to get mad at the other people because it like it cost me three dollars to cover you
And you just ran out and open got shot. Yeah way to go. Yeah
I mean, I wasn't that toxic about it But it's just it's something that's in the back of my mind is distracting
Whereas when I when I just play like woods ball like outlaw ball, then it's like whatever, right?
You just you bring an entire case of paint and you're down to like, you know a penny or two
For for each round easier to ignore. Yeah, it's easier to not have to think about I just don't want to have to think about it
You know, I want to enjoy the game and I can't enjoy that veggie platter
When I'm going how much was it sorry? Quarter, you know, I it was it was like nine or ten us dollars or something like that
It was like 15 bucks canadian by the time
I converted it because I just it's just offensive
Yeah, just or 14 or 13 or something like that just just offensive
Um, jhcom asks how about fireworks? honestly
Exactly the same thing. I love
fireworks they're so cool
and we In my children's lifetime
They have had a home fireworks display
A modest one very small one time
so that They can remember that we did fireworks one time
It's also like a major pain in the butt because of all the regulations around
And also the cost so it's a pain in the butt and it's expensive
We did it one time and hopefully they remember it because I don't think we're going to do it again
because it was like $200 and we burned through all of it and like I don't know 15 minutes or something like that
It was like the the lowest the lowest value per hour
Thing that we probably did that year or the highest value per hour thing we did that year
It's rough. There's a like kind of block party thing that happens for halloween somewhere that I know
And they're in like it's not actually a cul-de-sac, but it's a little like kind of loop thing
um And they fire off fireworks
like basically all night like they start at like I don't know
probably Six or seven and they go until probably at least 11 and it's not
It's not extremely high rate, but it is constant and I have thought before of like dang
I think there's probably a few people contributing to this but dang
Like you said 15 minutes is not and you're literally burning money and exploding it
Thank you for that
Did we did we start a topic what are we I don't know I was going to ask well, I think uh
I think that was algorithmic price. You know what else has exploded
Is Intel's GPU market share? Oh, let's go according to tech spot and john petty research
q3 saw both AMD and Intel expand their shares of the discreet GPU market with AMD increasing to
seven percent
And Intel reaching a milestone one percent
Jan's getting it on the action It might be rounded up. It might be like point six. Listen, I don't know
But not being zero is cool because we need competition
It might not be a card for you now, but it might be in the future and that's the cool part NVIDIA. Meanwhile has
Suffered a drop in their market share to 92 percent
Oh, no. Oh, no poor NVIDIA. Whatever however will jensen afford his leather jackets now
He probably doesn't even want that 92. He probably just feels obligated at this point
Well, everyone expects this of me. Yeah, I saw I saw an interview of him recently that he's like
Yeah, I work seven days a week because I fear bankruptcy. I mean if I was if I was at the
the sort of Arrow tip of a bubble headed towards the popping of a bubble. I'd probably be worried about that too
But I don't think bankruptcy is ever going to be a concern. Mr. Huang
Um I think that it's more just like not being you know
One of the like handful of richest people in the world is is uh at stake here
Yeah, any who data center gp board sales are up an average of 145.5 percent compared to q2
So so those are doing fine Just fine and NVIDIA's market share in that space might be even higher. Uh, I remember chatting with the guys
At sfu and they wouldn't confirm this. I'm not going to put any words in their mouths. Okay, but my speculation
They had one machine With AMD instinct in it one
And my speculation as to why they had that one machine because at that point you might think
Why bother right? Yeah, my speculation was
So that you can point at that one That in the background you're kind of beavering away seeing if you can do stuff on
And so you can make a little bit of progress on that so that whenever it's time to buy the real GPU's you actually want
You can point at that and go okay, but we could also run it on this so make sure that your price is competitive with this
That's as far as I can tell the only reason they even have it
Because they're doing all the real work as far as I can tell they wouldn't confirm this
On NVIDIA Dang, but hey this ties in nicely to our dam is winning somewhere to our next topic
Which is can you buy an Intel arc b580 for ms rp?
The answer is Yes, you can even get an Intel holiday bundle with purchase limited offer. What is the Intel holiday bundle?
Let's find out. I don't know Is it the same as last time? Where is it? What's the what's the holiday bundle? You just click on it you butts
Can you click on it? No, I can't I'm trying to click on it. No, we're not there Down a little bit below the blue box right here. Oh, oh
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, it's a battlefield six a bunch of stuff. Oh, you can get one of four games
Okay, cool dying like the beast assassins create shadows siv seven in battlefield six. What are the other what are the other things?
It's live. That's the promo end date january 31st, 2026. Let's go pick those games bonus content
Whoever who cares about any of this it's in game garbage. Yeah, don't worry about it. But this you pick one of these
Nice, that's pretty cool. Intel holiday bundle. I think they remember me. I think this is the same one they had before
Yeah, but it wasn't running for a bit. Yeah, it's so it's back Well, no, if you look at the dates it was maybe they just pulled it off the site
They might have run out of coupons or something because you know Intel like has to pay for this right? Yeah
Yeah, that's that's the thing a lot of gamers might not necessarily have realized back in the day
Like I remember having to admin these programs when we'd sell a g4c GPU or radion GPU or whatever and you get a you get like a coupon with a
Metro Exodus or you know, whatever metro 2033 code or whatever
um, is that like they they buy
copies of the games so you can like
run out of how many they bought so They may have run short. They may have restocked. I don't know because I remember we did this one week
And it was running in canada and it like wasn't running on new egg or something
So, uh, oh right. What's our affiliate code just in case? Uh, does anyone remember? I don't remember
Jawa juice in full-point chat said pro tip. Don't pick sieve 7
Badan and full-point chat said zero of 10 game. I would also throw my hat in the ring as a genuinely lifelong sieve fan
Uh, I would avoid it At least for now. My brother told me it sucks. Dude is a big sieve guy not good
Okay, if Sean says it's bad, then it's bad. They need oh, that's true. He's got like
10,000 hours hours in sieve got so high that in steam it rolled over and he went back down to zero and then kept going up
And he does not like sieve 7. Huh. Yeah, my doesn't display five digits. My brother was like
Super not into that you're that you like
Can't just stay genghis con the whole time. I knew exactly what he was going to say because that is
Garbage, I also don't bad decision. I think they got rid of one more turn as well
So it just kind of ends like you can't just keep I didn't even know that part because I played exactly one
Campaign and when it ended I quit immediately because I committed to doing it one time
And then wow, there were so many
Fundamental bat this was the first every time, you know sieve comes out and when you first get it
It's not going to be that great and then the expansions tend to make it really good. That's what happens like every time
sieve 7 I don't think they can save it. I think it is fundamentally like flawed as a game
Which sucks because there are a couple good ideas It's LMG.gg slash new egg if you guys want to pick up a b580 that makes sense. That's pretty easy. We should
Remember I know I keep forgetting me too Anyway, the point is you can pick up an onyx lumie arc b580 12 gig remember 12 gigs vram. That's going to matter
249 99 it is worth noting that these are a gen 4 by 8
interface So if you do not have a gen 4 board and it doesn't support rebar, I would not recommend a b580
Because if you have a gen 3 board, you'll only be getting gen 4 by 4
equivalent bandwidth and it's That's where you start maybe running into a little bit of trouble and if you don't have rebar
You're going to have a pretty bad time resizable bar. Just check your BIOS. Make sure it supports it
You can also get an as rock challenger arc that also qualifies for the holiday bundle so you can get battlefield 6 or
Some other games But probably battlefield 6. You can also get the Intel first party card for 249 99 that also has the holiday bundle
Lots and lots of options for arc b580s for 249 99 ms rp
Seriously though Now is the time because d RAM price increases are going to impact everything that has a d RAM chip in it
And that includes GPU's. I think the the the new year is going to be a serious hangover for GPU sales when pricing
Yeah, we'll see starts to increase again Uh, just for our point of clarification on what matters how much we're not a game review thing
But whatever job would you said you can keep the leader but the sieve changes
So you could still play as gangers con but you become the leader of a different civilization that does sound correct
That's even dumber. It's very stupid. Sorry. I I haven't played it. So I was just going based on my brother
We went to visit him a little while back and he was just like going off about like what a piece of it
It also like wipes all your troops and like spawns and stuff when the like age changes
It's very very weird. It's super super weird. I haven't like really played a sieve game since sieve 2 so
Yeah, uh, they've all operated on the same kind of idea
I just know the whole time that great wall of china early is op so that nobody can start a war with you
Then you go get leonardo's workshop so that all your crap
Garbage tier Phalanx's or whatever that you build will become like riflemen and then you go hard into science
And then you win That's all I know
Things have changed a little bit since yeah Um, see there you go. But yeah, I was it was this was like the biggest change. I would say
um In the sieve line was sieve 7 and a lot of the change some of the change was kind of cool a lot of the change was really bad
uh Jawa says but hey, you can sail through rivers. So it's all worth it
All right That part is kind of neat All right, cool. Yeah, I mean I could see that being not worth the downsides. I could do that being kind of at all
Cool, that'd be cool You can you can sail in rivers, right? Yeah
I was very frustrated, but it is what it is. Oops. Oh shoot. I just oh man
What's the open up the last tab I closed I always forget the short they need Luigi back, dude
They need I that was I forgot that that was my conclusion, but it was they needed Luigi back like like that Luigi
Yeah, that's right. He worked on sieve And he did ux
Stuff and the ux and sieve 7 is really bad. He could he could do ux design from prison, right?
They should let him do that I mean it might help it might save that company
If there was a luigi expansion to see yeah, like if he
If he kills one company but saves another
Does he go net neutral does it work that way come out in the wash? I think in this case, he's definitely in a positive
Um, I am not taking a stance on that
That's fine. Um
Anyways, yeah, let him uh, let him work from prison. Let him fix let him fix one of these
Let him fix sieve 7 that'll be awesome It sounds a lot like 6 7 the kids will get behind it
I'm uh, yeah, uh, yeah. Yeah. I mean wow. Yeah, um
We could move on. All right. Yeah, that's probably good
How how is his case going anyway? I'm I'm sure the I'm sure the kids are keeping up with it
Hopefully well Wow, that's crazy. He's actually the first autocomplete for luigi not like, you know that luigi
um Here you update update is one of my autocompletes. Okay pretrial hearing
Uh postponed due to illness. Okay, so that's the
um Oh video shows
luigi saying he didn't want to talk police kept asking questions
Hmm interesting. I think that's how that goes
Yeah, I think that's pretty normal But if they can make the argument that he was like coerced in some way
Um, and that it violated his his rights
Or whatever then I mean, we all know that it's at this point or not at this point
We all know that in many cases It's not about whether the person did it
Oh, yeah Yeah, it's about whether they can find a loophole, right judicial not justice. Yeah, you know the the glove defense
Yeah
Anyways, uh Ioneo's next two has a massive battery. This is hilarious
Ioneo who are known for making Windows handheld gaming devices announced their next two
Powered by the AMD Ryzen ai max plus 395, which is a really long name and draws 85 watts features a 9.06
inch screen 165 hertz to 2400 by
1504 a lead screen and probably the craziest spec is the
115 watt hour battery That is literally so big
That i'm pretty sure you're not allowed to take it on a plane
This battery size means that most airlines will require approval in order to allow that device to be brought on as a checked
Oh, well, you don't put batteries in your checked anyways. No forget checked. I don't think you could even bring this
It says checked item. I'm pretty sure they mean cabin item
Uh, there is no pricing yet or full spec sheet, but Ioneo stated that they will reveal more soon
Oh, sorry about that. I can uh, I can turn that off. Um
Sorry, yeah, it is a unified don't worry about it That's one of the reasons my my laptop has two batteries in it instead of one giant battery
Because two batteries is not one battery and therefore it is
Below the limit that you can take on a plane if you total all the battery banks that I carry in my bag
I'm way above. Oh, yeah Yeah, so if they had put two giant batteries in it, you would be fine, but it's not it's not about that
It's about how much energy is in like that one. It's like it's it's kind of like you could bring
You know a hundred firecrackers in your car, but one grenade is a bigger problem if that makes sense
Is is like it is a function of just like how much energy is in it and stuff
Uh, we'll set off with me. My own battery is really fast, but does does another thing on fire
I believe it doesn't help. Yeah. Yeah, uh, because it's it's it's reaching the thermal runaway point is where you where you run into trouble
um Another oh shoot. I was thinking there was something I was going to say too about oh
Yeah, another major factor that I didn't think about until I had to research this because I got my battery bank confiscated on that last trip to China
But the actual state of charge matters a bunch, which makes sense. Yeah, it does if you think about it
I'm surprised they're willing to even bother. No, they're not. Oh, but I just I was I was just learning about it
I understand um, and I didn't realize that it's way safer to travel with your batteries discharged
which Totally totally makes sense. It does because there's like way less energy in it. Yeah, um
But I just I never thought about that before. Yeah me either. Yeah
Uh, you said something Dan Full plane announced
I think we already did that I think I think we did that it's just funny
It has a giant battery in it. So you can't take it on the plane
Unless you had a gamer plane Then maybe you could wow you could then you could because the only justification you'd need is so that I can game
I'm going to game hard and long and fast and fast
And strong because my my poor forearms
I've been uh, I've been using the gpd win five lately
And I have found that it actually makes me want to game less
How much does it weigh inside of it? Uh, it's like a good couple pounds
Gpd win five. Wait, let's see what the ai says
Uh varies depending on whether the external battery is attached
Um with the external the total weight is about a kilo. Yeah, just over two pounds according to ai
but that does sound about right it's Redunculus like I actually find myself because I'm I'm supposed to be using it for a review and I might just give up
Because I I go to my nightstand and I have my
Original rog ally with the battery mod So it's already a bit on the heavier side because I did the like the modded bigger battery in it
I have not upgraded to the x I um
You just not care Yeah, yeah
It's faster But when I like when I finally play clear obscure or something
Then I might like when I play a game that actually demands more GPU
Yeah, then I might but lately the vast majority of my hours of handheld gaming have been final fantasy tactics
A playstation one game And tape to tape which is barely even 3d. Yeah, so
I just don't need it. Uh, so I've still been using my first gen ally
Like if they bring me a better display or something like come on man do something that matters to me and I'll upgrade
It's just I don't even because like I could just grab one from the warehouse
But it's not even worth Just like resetting up Windows and downloading my games for the difference that it would make in gameplay to me right now
So anyway, so anyway, the point is in my nightstand I've got my I've got my rg ally and then I've got the gpd win five right now
And so two just breaks and and I just I just am like
I could grab that And I could use it and then I could make notes for the review
Or I could just Enjoy playing my games more. I feel like noting the amount of times that that happens is part of the review
Yeah, like if you're like I very consistently
Chose maybe 50% 50% of the time. You know what though? I haven't because it's kind of a pain
It's like it's like a screw type mechanism. You can you can hook up the battery on a tether
So I haven't bothered hooking it up like that yet because it's kind of stupid
And it's just like it is another level of the inconvenience like now I have weight and inconvenience
But what I'm going to do is I was going to use it with the the pack attached to the back for a while
And like see how I feel about that And then I was going to move to the tether and then see if that changes my habits
It feels kind of like 90s sick to
To have a battery pack external battery. The 90s was objectively a terrible time for battery powered
electronics No, it wasn't it was remember when you had to put like four double a's into the handle of a digital camera
Like that was not good. It was awesome. That was bad and that was the 2000s
Man, I remember I remember this rc car that I had. No, I've talked about that on the windshow before I even found a picture of it
monster Six by six rc car or something like that. Where is it? Where is it? There's like there's this
Thing that's like the 90s and very early 2000s was a point in time where technology was like awesome and made your life better
But it wasn't like so good or all consuming that it also
Attempted to ruin your life and I I embraced that a lot
I think part of like batteries being kind of bad is like, yeah, your thing dies and then you probably want to go do something else
Which is like potentially a good thing Man, I can't find it again, but I it was like this like six wheel
RC car here at 90s. Let's try. Oh, yeah. Here it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah this thing
This this piece of shit took like oh, I pressed the wrong thing. Whoops. What is this someone like the point is
This piece of garbage took like
12 double a batteries or something like that. Hell. Yeah, and the rechargeables that we had back then were not very good
So they didn't last very long um And even disposables like barely lasted in the metro scorcher
six by six fastest turbo 360 degree spins ever
And also only the middle wheels drove. That's why it could spin really well
um Man, where's the this might be a later version of it because mine definitely
Mine definitely took double a batteries. I miss everything being turbo. I like turbo turbo is a good turbo tastic
Yeah, um, anyway, I also had I also had one of these
ricochet RC car this thing ran for like
I want to say or did I have I had either the ricochet or the rebound this thing was super cool because
It could flip over And then you could keep driving it as long as you could could do it backwards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um
That's cool. There's finesse in that. Yeah, it ran for like six minutes. Hell. Yeah on battery. It was so dumb
Hell yeah 90s 90s battery powered electronics were objectively terrible and I will die on that hill. Nope
I will die on that hill disagree. I'm dead now then because realistically I wasn't going to win a fight between us
Way to go luke you killed me Mark this day in your calendar folks. This is the anniversary of my death
Uh
Speaking of things that make me want to die. Uh, no, no 60 million yen human washing machine revealed
Uh, this is so funny, which by the way 60 million yen is
386,759 dollars and 94 cents
in usd It's a like a shower that you sit slash lay down in. Okay. I low key love the name of this company though
They're just called science That's kind of awesome. Yeah, I do give them that. Okay. Hold on luke
Hear me out. No this Merai, no just get open-minded for a second. Just just just just okay. Look, okay open-minded brain is open
Open mind. Don't worry about this. Don't worry. Just be brain open. Okay
The merai human washing machine
Okay Can shower and dry a person
Simply by them lying down in it Uh-huh in about 15 minutes, which there is some like excessive. Oh, man. That's not even fast. I know, right?
I'm pretty sure I showered faster than that this morning. That is the very first paragraph of this article on the chosen
You just like focus on the task at hand. You can just do that faster in a normal shower
Is this is this supposed to be impressive that you could shower in 15 minutes?
There is potentially some accessibility Coolness sure and this sure and the way it does it is cool like it almost sounds like an ultrasonic cleaner or something
Apparently it uses ultra fine micro bubbles
Invisible to the naked eye to penetrate deep into the pores to remove impurities such as dead skin cells and sebum
sure Sensors installed on the back detect health status
And videos and music are played to help users relax during the cleansing process
Yeah, I just turned the volume of my phone up and leave it outside of the shower. Yeah, you could do that
You could do that Yeah, do be clear. This is not a real product
They're making like a few dozen of them and it's for like it's meant to be a novelty item for commercial installations
I do know like, you know old folks homes or limited mobility people etc. Sure
showering can be a This would not be the right form factor for that though. Like I don't know if you've ever seen like a senior's bath
Yeah, they need like the little door. Yeah, you have a door and you like this looks like you have to climb into it
Yeah, so this is like I do like the idea of like a
automated human washing thing because I do know that it can it can be like
Man, I don't really want to say it but it can be like embarrassing for for people to have to be like washed by someone else
Stephen j says that clean time is the equivalent of saying this computer will boot and just the time it takes for you to eat breakfast
It's like, yeah Like if I'm in a hurry, I can be in and out of the shower in about three minutes
I know this from my years in high school of getting up at the last possible
What are your what are you if you're going down to three minutes? You're you're probably giving something up
So what are you doing? Uh at three minutes. I'm not conditioning. I'll tell you that much. Yeah, and I'm probably using shampoo
So shampoo for body watch. Yeah Yeah, so I so I so yeah, it's you're going on a hard requirement. We're down to one soap
Yeah, and no conditioner. Yeah, and and then are you are you like lathering in the hair and then like taking that and going elsewhere
No, you've got time to squirt you've got time to squirt another pop before before you do the pits and the elsewhere
There's there's no way you're doing like a full body lather at that speed though
Yeah, but I would throw in feet. You got to do you kind of got to do your feet. You got to do feet
Yeah, yeah, there's no way to skip the feet
You Good good wet show conversation. Yeah, we just saved you 60 million yen. You're welcome
And a lot of I mean that's five times faster or something
All right, time to do the Floatplane announcements
Uh, we had a little throwback Thursday on Floatplane this week. Do you want to fire up Floatplane? Yeah with three amazing
exclusives. Oh no, this one's up We've first we've got
Me react the exclusives are on the other you go first
We've got me reacting to staff's first time meeting me that released on Monday
And it's safe to say that people like seeing me in uncomfortable social situations. Oh, yeah, they do
They like it a lot Or mostly they like me recalling times that I created uncomfortable social situations
Linus is suffering Oh
Boy, yeah, that's all just screen grabs from the video that is not me posing for the thumbnail
I did not know that sammy was going to do that. I saw the thumbnail
Um, anyway Colton's in there. Yvonne's in there
There's there's some good ones. All right My problem with ours is I think I'd have to watch back
Us talking about it like years ago because I only remember like some of the details at this point. Yeah, that was a long
That was a long time ago We also had a section of the writers discuss Linus's hot takes
Where they discuss wireless peripherals and finally
Luke did you know that ploof who owns a display has been at the company for almost five years now
I honestly thought it had been longer, but I know that as of yesterday because uh christmas party
Yeah, we took a look back at his first videos what he wrote hosted and so on and so forth
All of this is at our new link LMG dot gg slash fp wan
um Okay, and both but man sammy
You are such a unique human
Look at this. He is look at this
Under cap and uppercase
Huh Who would think to write that like that under cap
It feels very sammy like don't know why but you know why it's because that's what he sounds like when he talks
You know, yeah, yeah uppercase works uppercap works no cap under cap under cap is good. No cap
You'll be you'll be all right. Just rip a pack dude. Just rip a pack
Literally he did that at the christmas party On stage he just like opened up a pack of pokemon cars. He just actively lost money on stage in front of everyone
Yeah, I I didn't really comprehend what I was watching. It was awesome. We do we do we do kind of um team themes
We do kind of like uh like it's it's somewhere between dress up and like
Doing like a grade six class presentation
Way to describe it and uh sammy's team was based on one of our core values, which is level up together
So their team, which was actually also luke's team. Yeah, um all created sort of outfits that
Uh that represented leveling up together and they went with pokemon
So they had they had scientists and they had a couple of pokemon trainers including one on a bicycle
Complete with helmet safety first. Thanks, Nate for remembering that. Um, they had some pokemon in their various evolutionary stages
Luke was tall grass. Oh, yeah, I don't have a good how does tall grass level up luke?
Well tall grass is where you go to level up Dan Yeah, and there was trainers on the tall grass and there was pokemon on the half
Dan's just salty because luke's team beat his yeah
Yeah, way to lose Dan pretty good way to lose Good job
Anyway as part of leveling up sammy attempted to level up his finances
By opening up a pack of pokemon cards as part of their presentation of their concept
And um instead he leveled up his debt. Yeah
Which is yeah, which he also just said in chat is a type of is a type of leveling up as well. Yeah
Um weekend jedi 42 asks why are there's no pictures of this?
We we decided many years ago that our christmas party was mostly going to be a content free zone
We do kind of weird stuff I wasn't involved in the games planning this year
but I won't pretend that
It was any More weird than some of the stuff that I have planned in the past. You had to like dig through
uh containers of like mashed potatoes and dry noodles and wet noodles
With a wooden spoon in your mouth to find codes to unlock combination locks. It was a it was a whole thing
I don't remember which one of those things but one of those trays like
Stank. Yeah, I think it was like alfredo sauce or something rough
I look I'm not gonna say I would have done any better
But I will say that I was not involved in the games this year
Yeah, uh anyway The point is that um
We we want it to be kind of a uh, uh, uh
Like social media free zone where people can you know cut loose a little bit for for once around here
We really appreciate that. We did so nice have to do one short this year
But it is very short and it just involves the giveaway of the high sense 116 inch tv
We broke policy for that, but yeah spoiler alert exception. Not the rule spoiler alert dad. Sorry. I didn't win it again
One time how many how many tickets did you put in? I always do over half my stack
In the in the grand prize. Yeah, I did most of because my I saw I went through them before
Before I drew and I was like wow dad put a lot of tickets in here. I bought a bunch of people did
I know alice and james were also trying to get it. I actually pulled up my
Like office model just to check because it's like nine feet wide
Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense for me at all, but it would be it would be cool in my dad's place
We've been we've been going through every once in a bit. We did
I mean we did watch two towers now So there's return of the king left and I was I was sitting there next to em at the christmas party
I leaned over and I'll be like it'd pretty you'd be pretty sick to watch return of the king
I'll like the enormous tv it would it'll happen. It'll happen sometime
Hey, you guys have come over to watch hockey games at my place feel free. That's true
Yeah, you could always watch return of the king on the on the slightly smaller
115 inch tv can't do it. You can't it's too small. Yeah, it's too small. You'll have to make friends with the
We're not disclosing who it was. Yes. You'll have to make friends with the person who won it
Then you can watch on the proper biggest tv. Yeah, there you go
Um, what else are we what are we supposed to be doing now Dan?
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Heard some cats. Sure. We could do topics
MKBHD's scam
wallpaper app is shutting down and Dear god, please
I am not calling it a scam. I am just recalling when we discussed it
Back when he launched this product and people were calling it a scam
And we had that long conversation about how people are using the word scam to describe things that are not
scams the product always did exactly what he said it would do which means it's not a scam you just
Don't like it Which is a totally different thing
anyway Panels is going away on November 30th
Marquez published an unlisted video giving an update on the wallpaper app panels announcing that it is being sunsetted
For those who missed it panels, which was started by the mkbhd team was launched on september 26th of last year
It was an app dedicated to downloading wallpapers for your mobile devices and was immediately met with backlash for
A number of reasons with the biggest being the $50 yearly subscription, which again, I repeat is not a scam it just
is Of dubious value to many of the folks who evaluated its value people buy art for very weird amounts of money
And sometimes that is a scam Yeah, but it's not a scam of the person who's buying the art
It's a scam of the tax system. So that's a whole whole separate whole separate deal
Marquez did make a follow-up video offering a lot more explanation for the pricing including how it would help support the artists that made the images
But as of now the final date for the app is december 31st
And marquez explained that there will be a pro-rated refund for anyone who is currently subscribed
And this is super cool. And the main reason that I even wanted to talk about this at all
He announced that the entire source code will be going up on github for free if you ever wanted to make a wallpaper app
And realistically does anybody need this source code?
probably not but as But as far as good guy moves go if you're going to discontinue something a pro-rated refund
and making the code open source for anyone who wants to
Continue it in any way making the source code available
This is about the most graceful way you can possibly do it. And I think that's pretty cool
That's it. That's all I have to say about that I
Cool Next one it is cool dope even you might say
Is it dope tech no, okay sounds good
Did we talk about cherry yet? I don't think so rip cherry cherry held a patent for mechanical switches and used to be the gold standard for keyboards
For keyboard switches. Yeah That patent maybe keyboards if you do like check out systems at vegas for some reason
That McDonald's like Yeah, yeah random stuff like that that patent lapsed in 2014 since cherry's patent lapsed competition has slowly
But surely but fastly kind of put yeah pretty quick actually push them out of business
They're yeah, it says it again it it lapsed in 2014 tons of other companies sprung up
And then I never really know how to say these names properly, but gatteron gatteron. I took the easy one texi
jwick or jwk etc many the new companies have improved over cherry in the past decade in like honestly a
wide variety of ways
It's been pretty wild many premium switches now come pre lubed which is a quite a benefit time saver
Yeah, like dude lubing switches it's like
That's the real reason that all these like tiny keyboard form factors got popular
Everyone just gaslit themselves into believing that they wanted a tiny keyboard
But what they actually didn't want to do was lube 104 stems. Uh
I'm kidding. I know a lot of you legitimately love your tiny keyboards
Hot take. I think this is one of the reasons why uh keyboard stuff is getting more boring these days though
Is there's nothing to it anymore, but anyways moving on
Yeah experimentation with other materials has been a big part of it
Cherry just hasn't really been the gold standard for a while And they haven't kept up with things like hall effects or optical switches and whatnot
Cherry is now looking to give up its german production and sell the core division
You might be like wow that seems like an overreaction. No
From january 2025 to the end of september the company made a net loss of almost
20.4 million euros
Wow, I'm kind of surprised that was even possible and something that you got to kind of understand is that
cherry like keyswitch This is a really really small part of their parent company's operation. It's like kind of
Barely even a footnote So the fact that they even bothered for this long is
Honestly, kind of a surprise when we were there
Which cherry was like much more on top of the world at that time. Hell. Yeah
What a great shot. Yeah But when we were there, I remember thinking like oh, this is like pretty small
Yeah And then we we couldn't shoot any of it, but uh actually hold on. I'm just gonna check a thing
Uh
Yeah, okay cool in 2008 Um cherry was purchased by zf
so We couldn't shoot any of it, but like the stuff that zf was doing. Yeah for like the automotive industry
And stuff was like Oh
So they just wanted cherry's ip probably
For something to do with their real business and they were like
Sure, you keep doing your little thing
um Apparently zedaf sold the cherry group back in 2016
But still uses cherry brand. It's okay. This is ai though. So who knows?
But the point is they did own them at some point and uh cherry
Was later. Oh wow cherry has been sold a couple times. So timeline of ownership zedaf purchased them in 2008
Zedaf sold them in 2016. So this is after the patent lapsed
um, and then uh, that was to genui partners and then
From 2020 to 2021 was acquired by argand partners
uh, yeah, so things have clearly been
Circling the drain for quite a while now. Yeah, what do you think?
You're gonna buy cherry by cherry No, I don't want them do what with it. Exactly. I have I can't really add anything to that table
I mean what they were worth was the ip and the german manufacturing and now the ip is
Worthless and the german manufacturing is closing. Yeah, so
Yeah, yeah, I think they're just uh, I think they're a relic now make canadian switches
I mean would anybody really want maple syrup maple syrup lube. Yeah, I don't think so
It'd smell really nice. Yeah for a little while. Yeah, it smelled really bad eventually. Yeah
I mean, there's a lot of things that people like really. Yeah, because then you just have to keep buying
We finally have a consumable product Yeah, like that'd be oh man
Imagine you could make like the world's best smelling cologne, but it only smells good for an hour
You know like what a business It was actually the world's best smelling cologne like objectively that would sell like crazy. Oh people would totally do it
Yeah, you know who's super into cologne?
charotte That makes sense. He gave me like a whole like lesson on cologne when we were stuck in an airport for five hours on that
China trip for me. Oh, yeah, he's like
And and it's not just like You know, he's like, oh, yeah, here's the one that I have and and I like it a lot
You know different ones for different like occasions and stuff because he because because that change with the seasons
That's just like, oh, you went on the subreddit and you went to like the pinned one and then you just bought whatever was the top
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No. No. He's like here's the one that like I'd love to wear
Regularly, but it's like not affordable. But here's the one that you know because uh, you know, what's what's their name?
Uh Not mac, but maybe it was mac
Basically, he like knew the promotional cycle of one of our local cosmetics chains and was like, yeah
So I'll pick up like the big bottle of this from them like during this month when they like have the promo
But these ones are really nice and he like shows me a couple. He's like, yeah, they like kind of change over time
This one's like fireplace and like, okay, check this out. Okay. Smell it right away
And I'm like, oh, okay And then he like like it goes like this with the card and then he actually like carried it with him
And then like 10 minutes later, he's like, okay now smell the fireplace one
So he had me like smell like a bunch of these and he's like, yeah
See how it like smells different now like it was sweet at the beginning and now it's more smoky
Like this is like this is like really good. He's like talking me through all this stuff. I'm like, dude
I don't know. I just wear my speed stick I just I was gonna say I'm pretty sure you don't even wear a clone
No underarm stuff. Yeah. No, I mean as long as I don't stink
Yeah, I was gonna say you're not on the there's like a spectrum and it's it's stink to
Doesn't smell bad to smells good. And I think we're both getting the doesn't smell bad. That's hope. Yeah
That's the goal at least Yeah, I I actually uh
It was asked once What I smell like in an AMA
And I believe it was because I had some help. Oh, yeah
I had some help responding to the AMA from longtime members of the team and ed
Was the one who responded to that one. Thank you very much for that
And he said I smell like cheap deodorant and cheap hair gel
And nowadays I don't wear hair gel anymore. So cheap deodorant. Just cheap deodorant. Nice. That works. That's good
It's perfectly perfectly good guy stuff
Um, I don't know if I was gonna wear anything I would probably just go for the most basic
Possible Not much left. Yeah, I would probably go for the most basic possible thing and I would just wear like old spice or something
Yeah, is this could you it could it could would charade be able to like pair something with you?
I don't know anything about this But like I honestly think that just like smelling like anything other than just basic would just
It wouldn't be right wouldn't fit your brand. It's not even my brand. It's just like
I Wouldn't consistently apply it
Like I have to be in I have to be in active pain to consistently use a product in the morning and evening
so other than other than uh Like teeth brushing you may not believe this
Because it's hard to tell right now yellow right now because of the wax that's over top of my brackets
Um, which is stained but my teeth are some I like I care about my oral hygiene
I I hate bad breath. I like on myself on anyone. I don't like bad breath
So that's something that I don't have to remember Um, but other than that like even my anti inflammatory cream for the tennis elbow
It's taken me so long to heal because I'd be so inconsistent about applying it about that stuff
Like even if I'm actively in pain I will often forget to put on something that I'm that I'm supposed to use
Like Yvonne recommended like like facial cleansers and stuff that I'm supposed to use
So like I don't know my pores will be smaller or something like you want small pores. Does this matter?
Like I just I can't be motivated is pores. I can't be motivated to use them regularly. So
I have big strong pores um
Oh man, and salmo asks old spice is basic
I ain't fancy. I guess old spice is super basic
Sherrod would Sherrod would be able to educate you. Yeah, old spice is not. Yeah
Yeah, it's literally old
It's the old spice And to be clear, I they have lots of other products
But when I when I was talking about it just now I was referring to literally like the og like the aftershave smell. It's my original. Yeah. Yeah
Syphil, syphilis says old spice has picked up their game lately. Okay. That's cool. Good for them
I still think it's normie stuff Compared to compared probably charade could never I I don't think charade would ever
I don't think he would ever I'll ask him I'll ask him. It's funny looking at like the the photos at my parents house because you know leading up till grade
Five, I don't think you're old enough to possibly care and then in grade five and grade six
I cared like a lot about my appearance and you can tell in the photos
And then immediately after that I I never cared again
And you can tell in the photos
I don't know what happened
But uh, it's true All right, all right, I asked him we're gonna get we're gonna get the experts take probably pretty soon here
It's it shows available on on teams. So we should hear back from me
It's middle of a work day, which is weird because when show but yeah, yeah, should be fine. Should be fine. This is this is work
Yeah, the the wan people want to know. Yeah
All right. No, no, I meant it like Yeah, I didn't mean it that way. I meant like he'll probably be available because three dots. Here we go
Here we go. We got the dots the the dots are incoming
I asked him old spice. Would you ever? I
Love how it's oh the three dots are gone. Oh three dots are gone. He's thinking
Like Dio Would I ever wear it lol?
I mean the brand I can I can I feel like yeah, I feel like deodorant versus cologne is like a pretty big jump. That's true
Okay, so I'm talking more like do they have cologne they must right? I don't know
Oh, maybe we're just maybe we're just asking entirely the wrong question. Yeah, we might be
Uh, they have cologne. Okay
Zen ox LT asks wait, are there deodorant without a scent? I believe so. They're really hard to track down though
Yeah, here we go. He sees it. He's seen it
He's giving it a think he'll he's giving it a think Should we do should we do another topic in the meantime? Oh, sure. Oh, no. Oh, dude. Oh, dude. We got a strong response
Hell no lol. I left that in high school
Okay, so there you go boys We we got you your answer
Come dig our song cologne. Thanks. I uh, thanks. I'll let the wind come dig our song
Yeah, I want to bring it up. No, no come like like in french. Oh my god, stop
I will look it up because I can I think I might have found it pretty quick. Uh, oh, this sounds like a store maybe
Uh, cool. Okay, here we go. Here we go
Come dig our song perfumes Okay, so this is this is apparently this is charade approved. Yeah, and and and they're like packaging is a major factor apparently
Okay, I this is not something that I personally can really like understand too much
but um You know apparently that's you know a big part of the yeah concrete
Dude, I don't know. This is not my world. This is not my world. This is not a thing that I
Really understand very well Neat, but this is something that I mean, how much does this stuff cost? Okay, what's the drowning?
How much does it cost to smell like concrete?
You know sure, let's find that out. I want to know
I want to smell like concrete Okay, well we oh my god. These are the only places we can get it
What am I even what am I even talking about sure? I'll take your cookies
I'm not Okay, let's go with new york because that'll likely be in u.s. Oh
Okay, that's not concrete though. Is that a year's supply?
First when 30 years ago these perfumes were first imagined
Expressing the values of the brand through a new medium to disturb the traditional parameters of the fragrance industry
Yeah Okay, that is a job that ai could do
To writing the product descriptions for for like bougie
Nice. Yeah, I think so I think so. I don't even think anyone's gonna be that mad about it
Me saying that I don't I don't even think that's a hot take someone will be
All right, do we move on?
Uh, yeah. Yeah, I think we move on There's a bunch of no notes
Topics. Yeah, we could do a no notes topic sure google has removed the call home and pa style broadcast features from the home app
Yeah, that sucks Yeah, yeah
A company is using ai Linus to advertise a pirate streaming box on tiktok. That sucks. That's lame
Yeah, oh here. You know what do you do anything about that? Are you gonna do anything about that?
realistically um You know, they know what they're doing. Uh, yeah, that's not you they're in uh, they're in a region where
probably Like if if if there was a way to go after these guys legally
I'm sure that the content owners of the content that they're pirating on the
U-free box us2 I'm sure they'd be trying so
I'm kind of looking at it going. What chance do I have of combating this?
um Yeah, this blows never buy from these guys because they're clearly scummy butt heads and also
My mouth is not that big. Yeah, that's the main thing that made it obvious. It wasn't you to be honest
I guess I could I can no
Yeah, because now it's not that wide super round. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, you can't do it that way I can try not quite there. No, I can't quite get there sounds horrible when you do that too
listen Okay, don't listen
What else we got moving on no notes. Missouri residents searches for vpns have quadrupled
After age verification laws kicked in. Yeah, we all knew it was gonna happen. Yeah, this is this is this is gonna be a thing
Now's a perfect time to shout out our vpn partner private internet access. We'll have them linked down below
um, our discussion question is how could stories like this getting attention put vpns at risk
man, ah
I would like to think that the us would stop short of outlawing vpns
Because that would be like some that would be like some china level authoritarianism. Didn't they very recently like
pump vpns like crazy Oh, they like told people. I think it was like the fbi specifically talked about them or something
Like it was one agency that talked about them. But the the the thing to wait
Shut up Someone said they're illegal in michigan
That can't be right Hold on a second. We need to look that up. Hold on a second
Hold on a second Okay, ai says no, they are not currently illegal in michigan, but
A proposed bill house bill 49 38
The anti-corruption of public morals act. Oh my god
Ames to ban the sale promotion and use Of circumvention tools like vpns to access prohibited content like adult sites forcing isps to block them
And potentially making tools for remote work illegal though
It is though its passage and enforceability are uncertain
That is an ai summary
Electronic frontier foundation has a great headline on this
Lawmakers want to ban vpns and they have no idea what they're doing
Yes, yeah, when do they though? Yeah, when doing practically anything two truer clauses have never been attached to each other
Before by an m-dash um
Outstanding Apparently this is wisconsin michigan and beyond. Wow buzz light year two. Oh, okay. This is over in the uk
Oh, man
Sometimes I feel like
You know you just add those to the doc my north american
Cousins i'll highlight it My north american cousins down in the united states of a
um Sometimes I feel like
There are certain hot button issues
That they get really like rah rah rah my personal freedoms about
While completely missing
The active erosion of said freedoms in much more restrictive much wider reaching ways
That um, I just find a little bit baffling
I just I find it I find it very confusing
um, that there isn't More outrage over stuff like this or those uh, what was that camera surveillance company don't know what they are
That surveillance company. Yeah flock the flock camera topic from last week
like This is bad
and like anyone any individual senator or representative or
Uh governor or whatever or any party that is that is pushing this agenda
Like I I I I I I would have a hard time
supporting them um
Oh
Yeah, this is this is tough. I have a feeling honestly, they just don't even know what it is
I mean what i'm kind of leaning on Because it actually it actually feels like it supports like traditional american values vpns
Well, yeah, it's like protecting of the individual from the state. Blah blah blah blah blah
And like so I I really think they just don't even know what it is
I suspect it's an education problem
All right I don't mean traditional education. I don't think you go to school to learn what a vpn is. All right. That's not my point
No comment No comment. I majored in pia. Yeah, like uh, yeah
I mean, I'm not educated on colognes. Uh, I'm pissed. I didn't learn about that in school
Uh, anyways next one This one's a little fun
Um, yeah, sure hit me Uh, no notes, but there are some I guess uh discussion
Discuss the impact of crawler bots on overall internet traffic using Labs as an example. There are some discussion questions here
Uh, what more can be done to regulate crawler bots? Uh, there's some technical solutions
Why don't we show why don't we show the graph that you shared with me first? Sure. So there's a few now
Because we figured out that you wanted to show this on wans. So we added some info
But there's the linked one. So the linked reference image is the one that you initially saw. Okay, so here
Let me let me fire that up. Okay. So here's what luke showed me and I was like, hey
Wouldn't it be kind of cool if we talked about this? So this is traffic
To LTT um to LTT Labs. Yeah that
Is non-human um that we were able to trace back to
particular ai Crawler bots. And this is a relatively short period of time. We're showing like
um early november 26th to
Late midday december 2nd. Sorry. Sorry. I'm doing a bad job. What's going on over there?
I'm doing a bad job of this there november 26th down there. I was trying to show the date clearer
But whatever i'm just gonna circle it and say november 26th. So it's a relatively short period of time
But you can see like chat gbt is like an enormous amount of this
And then you've got google bot google bots a little bit complicated
We'll talk about in a second and then you take a significant jump down
So it's significant chat gbt significant jump down google bot significant jump down
Everything else basically being duck duck
amazon and then the rest um, but yeah, it's it's
It's a lot, uh, but there's other stuff going on too. So i'm gonna need some of my notes here to explain some of this
My first discussion question was Because these ai bots and we we've we've talked about this with the house fresh folks
Because these ai bots are completely
Or no, it wasn't house fresh. It was uh, the anantex shut down topic
Um, so i was i was chatting with ryan. He was saying like a significant amount of their hosting cost is just
Serving to scrapers
Since they're so undiscerning in their scraping like and we know that the
The majority of internet users visit just a handful of sites
How much internet traffic? Oh, it's incredible. Do you think is just
mindless bots Scraping sites that very few humans are actually interacting with like what is the what is the what is the
The cost of all of this that's yeah, it's quite high
It's it's interesting because like There is also a different line in my opinion because they're scraping in order to build a database or whatever
But then there's also scraping on behalf of a user
There's no way to differentiate that on the host side
Uh, but you might have you might tell a bot like oh
You set a bunch of stuff, but i need links for it and then it's going to go out and like search the internet and find things
um, but Yeah, there's no way for us to tell what the difference is one of the really interesting ones that we've got
Barely lingual and Floatplane chat says i work it with comedia. It's a lot. Yeah, it's it's a ton. Okay. Anyway, sorry go ahead
Um, one of the interesting ones we have is this one
There we go this chart the blue versus purple lines squiggles
Um, I can't really get a good photo of this explaining what it all is but absorb that for a second
Look at the dates when the blue and the purple line diverge. Yes sometime in april
march Oh late march So the purple and the the purple is impressions
The blue is clicks
March 2025 was when ai's all ai results started rolling out in search
Oh, yeah, yeah, we've kind of talked about this before i've had people say that
The stuff you're quoting is like not Necessarily real because it's just like your idea of what might be happening. So I don't know
Maybe this will help people accept that like, yeah, I know that's for sure happening
um So we're getting brought up more
but clicks are are You know the the big spikes are lower. You can tell there was like a massive spike in purple right around here
Um, I don't know necessarily what happened, but whatever was interesting and searchable
Didn't result in clicks and this is LTT Labs. Yeah
Huh Something here happened that was really big. It got a little bit of a spike
Yeah, it would probably be one of these bigger ones before
But it was not as not as clickable same thing happens here. Wow, and then this one was like really massive
I'm not entirely sure what this is. We could dive into it, but I don't know off top of my head what what that fully is
And then the last one Oh, no, never mind. There's two more
Oh, yeah, this one's kind of interesting uh
The google one is skewed because
Uh, just google in general is a little weird because how do you count google's stuff?
Yeah, because they are search. Yeah, so the other ones are kind of more interesting like perplexity
Over 15 000 requests with 23 total referrals. Right. Um, like there's no way that you can
Profitably just even web host at that kind of ratio. It's it's pretty awesome
It's pretty cool. And to be clear like, okay
Calm down when I'm talking profitability
I'm not going like corporate fat cat profitability here. I'm talking more like
sustainability It's the death and consolidation of small websites
Um Okay, back to luke lap top. There's the last one. Yeah, just some top referrals
I think I think this this previous one is more interesting, but just showing this one as well
Um duck duck go based duck duck go getting a lot more than bing was surprising and interesting to me
I mean Yeah, for our audience that does kind of make sense. It does firefox users, you know, yeah
Um, by the way matt uh from the lab's web team says by the way
We do use all the anti AI meta tags and best practices to tell them not to scrape. They just completely ignore them
Yeah, which we absolutely knew was going to be a thing. Yeah
Which is why I set it on my show. We set it elsewhere
Yeah, so we're not going to like, you know hire an entire team of anti AI experts to try to make our site less scrappable
That's just not good use of our very limited resources
But like I've had people directly reach out to me and be like, yeah Labs results ended up in like a chat gbt thing
I was doing asking it questions and like It was useful enough that I didn't check the site and it's like well
All right, that's how they get you. Yeah
Yeah, I mean this this Genuinely explains how you know NVIDIA can keep selling more consumer gpus
Which they report quarter after quarter growth in their gforce business
But viewership on you know, how to pick a GPU video doesn't necessarily go up because if people are just using AI then
That's all they need. Yes. I know about the humans dot txt initiative
The problem is a lot of these things are just ignorable It's if you look at the incentives of what is happening and you're seeing the results of this in some places
It really sucks for most people because what's going to end up happening is a bunch of sites are going to die
And the ones that don't die are probably going to push
heavier monetization models by putting
Their interesting stuff behind paywalls. Yeah, that's going to be the only way they can survive
I'm not even mad at them for it at this point. Yeah, they're they're doing what they have to do to survive
We're we're lucky and also we
We got to give ourselves credit for seeing the writing on the wall a long time ago and we've invested heavily in
Hey
By a onesie Make sure that we can keep doing the work we're doing
Yeah, um But not everybody has that luxury of having other businesses to continue to support their media businesses through this very
Very difficult period. I got to say a major
sort of Growing up moment for me or not even moment
But thing I've experienced over let's call it the last 10 years has been
discovering to my dismay
How much of the the general structure of the world was just
and and order and stability was just built on like like norms
and good faith engagement
Rather than any kind of expectation of actual enforcement. That's still a thing
It is still a thing but it's standards versus rules, right?
If you if you can live off of standards, you will probably have a better group of people
Yeah, but I feel like being the ability my expectation of being able to rely on standards and people to uphold them
Is eroding. Oh, no for sure. I'm talking
Super broadly here. I'm talking like corporate teams sports teams
Groups of friends groups of people government countries whatever you want if it can if it can survive off of standards
Um, that's like pretty much always better. This is the whole high trust versus low trust society thing
Yeah, we talked about like if it is the standard of your society to be good to each other
Um, then people will generally attempt to maintain that but the problem is that you have to
The people themselves have to enforce that to a certain degree because you can't allow people to just
Yeah, and and like authoritarian
Enforcement is not the answer. No
Um, well, that's kind of the whole idea. Yeah, the only way is you can go from
from the bottom up upholding societal standards and I just feel like we're uh,
I feel like we're in deep doo doo here. Oh, yeah, it's bad
But but there's no consequences and so I don't even it's not even that there's no consequences
You have you have this there's there's no consequences. They can completely ignore us saying please no
And they win but and smaller companies get hurt by this and companies like
Micron are able to bail out of consumer spaces for massively more high profit things that are sitting here profiting off of small groups like that
artists Small publications book writers
Whatever are all getting looted for all their stuff and it's all funneling up to these big companies
And then they're what they're doing with that is making consumer spending more difficult because it's all being gathered up by big corporate spending like it's
The the the the cycle is much more involved
Um, then I think even doomers would like to think
Is bad And to be clear like this is and this is a really kind of tough ones to to kind of wrap my brain around as I also
I can understand why even maybe even especially
At the bottom people are feeling so so jaded and so left out by this system
That they're sitting here going well if they don't have to follow the rules then
Why should I and they can end up harming each other a lot more than they end up harming our corporate overlord
I strongly agree with that when it comes to dealing with them
Uh, but ideally not each other Um
Yeah Yeah
Ah Evicus says that's how I feel about drug dealers
like Yeah, to be clear I I don't want anyone to be a drug dealer
I don't want anyone to have to be a drug dealer Is sort of another way of saying the same thing
um And if someone was choosing between their family starving
and dealing drugs I can at least I can at least understand I can try to empathize with their position
I don't have to like it. I don't have to want that
That choice or that outcome for myself or for anyone
But you've got to at least um
You've got to at least try To sort of put yourself in in their mindset and go okay, you know, why why did they make that choice and to be clear
Not not everyone is doing it out of necessity. I don't buy that for a second
um But at least some seem to be pretty stuck
Ah
Cool very fun good chat, um
I I have just been sent some pictures of my uh christmas party costume
I won't include the one when i'm standing a lighter topic. Yeah, exactly
I won't include the one when i'm standing in the venue because there's other people in the background I know we we don't do that, uh, but I am going to include some of the photos of the actual get-up
I'm just not wearing it in these photos um
Christmas Uh, do you want me to do another thing in the meantime? Do you need a minute?
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All right What do you oh, do you want to are you showing your costume? Yeah, I can actually can I run to the washroom?
Will you do that? Sure? Yeah. Yeah, so I always mentioned that I was tall grass
So my original idea which was maybe okay, but not very good
Was that I'd get a light green colored shirt and some dark green fabric markers and just like
Basically draw in a bunch of blades of grass which because of the alternating colors of green would make it look like
a bunch of different blades of grass But then Emma got involved and made it way better. So now it was like I was basically wearing a diorama
so There's a bunch of Pokemon trainers in the tall grass and the tall grass was these like
Little 3d things that were glued onto the shirt and there was
These are totally butterfree's and not random butterfly things bought from a craft store
I did a little text box Because you you got an encounter with this particular trainer and they like shorts because they're comfy and easy to wear
Which is it based? And then there's the hat which the hat was was wild
It was again a little diorama this time with with actual pokemon involved. I didn't know it had a little character
Yeah, there's little little mini sleeping All the all the gen one starters including the the pikachu from yellow
All just having a little nap on top of the hat with some little mushrooms
There's a mushroom pokemon moral that came later on
A little wooden stump and stuff. This is actually a white hat
Um that she tried to paint some like grass kind of texture onto which was wild and then there's another
Angle of it here. It was quite the thing to wear
But it was awesome Yeah, it was cool. Emma Emma did all that
It was fantastic
Secret level
Shh Okay, good call. Good call. Good call. I'm gonna no, I'm gonna leave it where it was actually you might not notice
I was thinking of turning it like that, but then I think the act of turning the chair might
Make him notice. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Uh, good call everyone. Good call. Good call. All right. Let's see
What do we have? We should be talking about something. Is there I can do another topic?
Sure. Yeah, you got the crawler one. That's good
AWS and google cloud. Yeah, where's that underneath it?
No, no, it's aws and google cloud interconnect announcement
Really part of this announcement is the introduction of an open source API to allow other cloud providers to adopt
simplified connectivity for everyone
What uh discussion question we have seen in the last few months that these giant cloud services can effectively disable sections of the internet
When they go down to yes, how do you think introducing a new standard like this will affect the industry moving forward?
Well, I don't know what the standard is Totally fake arthur said that is actually super sick. It's crazy
Sort of nvlink, it's aglink
I would like to know more. I feel like this maybe should have actually had some notes
AWS announces preview of aws interconnect multi cloud providing oh interesting
That'll be really expensive
Multi cloud providing simple resilient high speed private connections to other cloud service providers
Starting in preview with google cloud. Okay, that is very interesting
Uh, I do really have to wonder how expensive that will be
I think it's going to be prohibitively expensive for a lot of
places But we will see
Easy cloud migrations. Yeah, I mean I get it now I just didn't fully understand it immediately from the
Uh, the notes I shouldn't have paid more attention to the title
Um Yeah, I don't have access to that cool. Nice. Um, yeah, I mean that sounds cool interesting resilient. Um,
But also probably very expensive and we'll see how that goes
Hmm You literally had to pay people to run actual wires in the data center before yeah, I mean you're still doing that
It's just being obfuscated from you That is totally still happening
I don't know. I don't know guys A lot of this cloud stuff is very expensive and like doubling it is also going to be very expensive
It will be really nice for resiliency though certain services will benefit from that a lot, but
I think if you're expecting like everyone to do that, uh, it's it's going to be too much for a lot of places
Okay, did you get the google one?
Hmm Google has removed the call home
Yes, we did we did talk about that one
Uh New robots look like they could kick my butt. Okay. These are cool
Engine ai released a video showing off the new t800 robot. Totally not a ripoff
Uh, it's surprisingly agile. It performs a bunch of martial arts moves like front kicks and roundhouse kicks
Uh, despite the no a g i sorry
No ai slash c g i in the bottom left hand of the clip
Many comments don't believe it unitary responded with their own video a day later showing off the h2 robot. Hold on. Hold on
Can we look at this first? Yes Yeah, that looks like uh, this one look real at all billion percent looks like cgi. Yeah, that doesn't look real at all
Hold on. Hold on. Let's see. Let's see. Hold on
Even like the lighting and stuff Yeah, I don't I don't even sort of believe this
Uh
If you're going to if you're gonna make that claim
Why would you shoot it like this? Yeah, that's that's why it's so strange
Hold on. Why doesn't the human ever interact with the robot and they're like faces covered with a hood the whole time
Well, no, that's fine. I don't mind that because that human is probably there
But they never they never touch each other. You notice that?
Yeah Like like when unitary does demos and stuff they'll like they'll they'll like kick the robot and stuff
Oh, you can see them there. No, no, I mean, but they never touch each other. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Do they ever cross over even they get really close?
This is the weirdest shot video ever it could be a stunt. Wow. Yeah, it looks too good
I don't believe that it's this good Um, but it could be a oh man. This is the fakest looking video ever dude
Like why would you shoot it to look fake?
Uh, this is what I was saying is I could see it be a strategy where they're trying to get people to claim that
It's not fake so then they can prove that it's real later. Sorry claim that it is fake so they can prove it
It's real later the one time anyone touches the robot. It's not moving. It's not moving
It's I don't even think it's on
That is the most BS looking thing ever and this this looks more like the robot actually doing stuff. Yeah
And then this suddenly super doesn't
Okay, anyway, okay, so this is engine ai. Yeah, I don't know about that one
Okay, and then unitary responded with their own video a day later showing off the h2 robot
Their video starts with the 1.8 meter tall humanoid robot beating up a much smaller robot
Then it spars with a person and a bigger robot
See this also looks kind of fake except okay, there's actually people back here and when we move on
It's one feels a lot more real they actually interact with the robot it feels a lot more real
Even a lot of the movements like it's surprisingly fluid, but it still has like the classic
Robotics like, you know, oh, I am unstable. I will run
You know algorithm thing to figure out how to become stable again
Yeah, like little things like that that little like struggle. Ooh
That feels a lot more legit. Oh, yeah 100%
Uh, that looked legitimately dangerous being in the ring with this thing
Like if it connected on one of these roundhouse kicks took this out. Oh, no, not this one. Never mind. Hold on
Here it is like if it had connected with that kick Yeah, I could suck that would have freaking hurt. I would suck like maybe injury hurt
Anyway, unitary just can't stop winning man
Like they
Crazy the whole industry is moving so fast that it would be impossible to tell us which horse is gonna or horse says more likely
Are gonna win this race based on those videos. I don't think engine ai is because I don't think they have a horse
Um I don't know that video is just so fake looking. It's ridiculous. Yeah
Like look at the lighting that would have been required for this intro
Hold on. Apparently the engineer it 800 video has behind the scenes that's been released as a response to the fake CGI comments
All right, let's have a look
Okay Okay, that looked more awkward
Okay, hold on. Let's see Hold on. Oh, wait. Okay. This guy this guy is moving
Okay, they've got this doesn't do much to make me believe it. I'm just saying
That helped a little that's not the take that's in the video. No, it's not
Okay, yeah
Uh I
Want to see someone interact with this stupid robot
Hold on. Hold on. Is it gonna touch something? Wait, what is buddy here doing?
Oh, okay, that's an action cam
I'm still skeptical
Show me it doing something not badass. That's what I want
Hold on. Wait, I want to go back to that one for a second. So where's the sun? Okay
Man, this looks so fake touch it. Somebody touch the robot
See this this is convincing, but again, it's then it cuts
I don't know dude. Ah, I don't know dude. I'm I'm not very convinced right now
Okay, I still don't believe it
I don't know. What do you guys think? What do you guys think did this help at all?
Oh man, a lot of people saying the the behind the scenes
Uh makes it look even more fake
Oh I I don't know I would I need to see a human interacting. I'm also not like like I said
It it felt like a move where they wanted people to say that it looked fake
So that they could try to prove that it wasn't fake and the non behind the scenes video is only three days old
And they have the behind the scenes cut already out I feel like they're just trying to get in news headlines right now and they succeeded
You think so? That's my vibe check That's some pretty good 4d chess
It feels very planned out though. Yeah, I don't sure. Yeah, I mean you plan when you play 4d chess
That's like the whole idea
Yeah, I do okay seriously scooby-free says the old push it back with uh with a broom test
Yeah, I want to see that I want to see it like it's it's they're one day apart
I want to see it failing to do a bunch of the like spinning kicks
It's not just that this video is three days old. This one's only two days old
Yeah, I will oh no, that's immediately afterwards. That's true enough
But like it's not like that took a lot of editing to do like they just chops together some some footage
Yeah, like what what's they've got a bunch of other stuff on their channel setting the record straight on cgi rumors
I I really think it's it's a publicity thing
Like have they ever done anything in the past hold on uh searching for their channel didn't bring it up for me
Can you can you bring up their channel again? Uh, yeah. Oh wait. No, I found it down
Like they've got a whole bunch of videos on their on their channel like do any of these other ones
Nice
Like this looks
This looks more believable hit it with a broom interact with it directly
I Dare you touch it one touch it speed touch it
I mean, yeah that that looked a lot more realistic more realistic
Ah Okay, well
When was this anyway? I hate how hard it is to just find the stupid
Details. Okay. Yeah, you got to go find the hamburger menu and menu then click description. So that was in april of this year
You know what? Let's see. Let's see how it goes. I um
I I agree with luke that they're obviously playing a get-in headlines game. Yeah
Until until I see something that doesn't look quite as polished and staged and
um And as devoid of real material
Interactions as even the behind the scenes here I'm going to find this pretty darn hard to believe
And if they like hard scripted a bunch of movements that do look that good
And that's why some of these standard walking scenes look dramatically lower tech than the like martial arts scenes
Where they're like moving much more like you would expect and then suddenly they're like fluid and dynamic
Maybe but like a lot of these things it looks like
The like metal is almost bending in a way that like
A human doing these types of movements would would flex and bend when it like collides with the ground and stuff
And then you suddenly see the walking scenes is like
Like I just I don't know I have a hard time believing it at all
But if it is like hard scripted to happen specifically in like that room in that setting
With that floor material and all that kind of stuff. Maybe they've got something
Maybe it's never useful to anyone really but like, okay
maybe Yeah, I
I'm gonna wait I'm gonna wait before just pronouncing this to be fake and before pronouncing this to be real
I'm not saying this as a fact, but I'm I'm definitely siding on the it's fake side
And if it isn't fake then I mean hell yeah, I'm gonna say it looks like I'll power to him
It for sure looks fake and then and then again this part
Like it might not all be fake this part seems like it could be legitimate
This movement all seems pretty normal
Yep Very kind of often one motor at a time and then we're back to nah
Yep fair enough, um Anyways, we don't have any other like real topics, but there were a couple other things to talk about my uh
My son started the 3d printing business. Yeah, you're doing a video for that, right? Yeah, like has to be yeah
That's amazing. Yeah, I've heard the story behind this and it's incredible. I uh, I took a I took a picture of him last night
um Because he's actually the the first teenager that I've ever met in my entire life
Who's like the king of just getting a good night's sleep and you know
Being fresh in the morning um And so this is this is really unusual for him
Uh, but he was like up really late last night and so I got home from the christmas party. I was like
I went to say good night to all of the kids and make sure that they were in bed
And um, so my daughters were in bed and I was like that's good and I went to pop my head into my son's room
And I was like good night boy, and then
You're not in here. Oh lights on in your bathroom
You're you're not in there either. Where the heck is he? I'm like, is he in the mechanical room again because he has been spending so much of his time down in the mechanical room
And uh, Dan, I just sent you a picture And this is the scene that I walked in on
I have never been prouder hell yeah Um, what are what are so what are those christmas trees?
Uh, there are little fidget toys that are two spiral things that kind of yeah go together
He has like a an entrepreneurship fair coming up at the school
And so he's bringing the the ones on the the bamboo that are closer to us are those little
infinite fold fidget cubes Um, and so he's bringing a bunch of like pre-printed stuff and then also promoting his
like Choose your own uh 3d printing business. So he's been
Yeah, you can take it down now. So he's been learning a whole bunch of so based like 3d printing
so he's learning about different filaments and like the different temperatures and odors and
Off-gassing and like just sort of all this various stuff. He keeps asking me to like buy more filament and i'm have you got him into flexible stuff yet?
Not yet. Um
We Have some but most of the orders that he's getting are not for stuff that uses it and right now
He's having a hard time keeping up just with what people are requesting
Uh, let alone going and just like exploring and finding interesting things to go and doesn't have to do as much product development yet
Um, we're we're i'm trying to i'm trying to find a way to make him actually sort of think about the nuts and bolts of how to make
This a business but not make it just you know
Uh impossible to overcome because other than like sports. He's had a hard time finding like a hobby
Up until now. He loves gaming. He loves sports, but you can only play so many video games a day
Sorry, it's not that's not you're not going to be an esports pro not in my house. Um, it's just not going to happen
Um, and you you can only do much so much physical activity before your body just
Must recover and that's actually a healthy thing to do. And so he uh, so he's finally he's finally done it. He's like
Super dialed in so the
The balance that I I think I found is that
He has to pay me for filament by the weight that he uses
Interesting is that so is that true when he's selling product, but not if he's making it for himself
Um, he doesn't make anything for himself. He doesn't care. He does not do like
Gadgets and stuff. He like dude, we'll go to we'll go to disneyland as a family
I kid you not And the whole weekend
The girls are like hounding us for some princess thing or some dress or some wand or some balloon or whatever
Um, actually, I shouldn't I should give them more credit than that once they grew up a little bit neither of them would hound us
But we do have sort of the rule in our house that they learn is that when we go on vacation
You can have one souvenir Don't bother us about it
At the end Keep your eyes open and then at the end let us know and if it's something within the budget that we set
Then that's one and that's and the don't bug us past that is sort of the rule that we have
um But anyway, so the girls will have their eyes out and they'll be like
Chitter-chattering at each other about what they like and oh if we each get one of these then we can play that together
And And at the end we'll be like
Okay, we've done we've done our shopping for the girls boy. Do you want anything and be like no
That you sure like they they have build your own lightsaber. No
They have like here's the thing you could put on your wall. No, I got stuff on my wall
All right All right, that's cool. He's just he's really not materialistic. Anyway, um
So we charge him for filament by the weight that he uses
Not by the spools that we order. So if there's like a color he needs
I'll just order it And then I'm like the like bulk distributor. Yeah, he only has to like pay for what he uses
I think that's pretty reasonable seems all right. And then if he needs any other materials
That's his problem. So he placed his first order with McMaster car last week. Nice
He ordered some magnets and some like m2 screws
And he's using it to make a little rubber band guns and I told him
No black ones
Yeah, that's a specific no black guns
So the first one he made was like in lilac. That's a canadian legal thing just for anyone. Yeah
Do not 3d print a black gun racist and take it to school. Okay. Oh my god
He's talking. Oh man, it's not racist
Stop They know they know they're just teasing when you come down
So the first one he made was in like lilac and I was like, yes
approved But like
He intended to make the first one in black. Yeah, of course. I was like boy. I do not want a letter from the school about this
Please for the love of all that is good. It's gonna be a letter from the government
Oh And so and he's also making these like cool flipping. They have to be like, oh my goodness
Make them in fun. They need to be fish or price colors. Yes. Make them in fun toy colors. That's all I ask. Yeah
um, yeah so
Anyway, where was uh, where was I going with this? Um, yes
So he's got his oh, yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right So he needed like these m2 screws and um and magnets because it's got it's got kind of a cool element to the design
Where you glue in some magnets and it has like a removable magazine the magazine doesn't do anything
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you print out two mags and it comes on a couple mags and they like magnet in and whatever right like kids kids
Love that stuff. It's a toy. Yeah, exactly. That's why it's not black. Um, so we um
So he ordered that and he's like, yeah the the shipping cost is so high. I'm like, yep
He's like, I can't buy just two m2 screws. I'm like, nope
He's like, I'm gonna have to sell like six of these and I'm like, yep And so that's why I want to have him like paying for some of his. Yeah, no, that's cool. I don't charge him for machine time
I think I've decided now. I'm not gonna charge him for any like upgrades to the machines
So the print farm he gets free time on it
As long as he shares with his sisters because they like to print toys for themselves
Neither of them are really selling things at this point. Um, and then he has to pay by fulfillment by weight that he only
What he uses and then anything else that he needs to make like cool designs and stuff
That seems extremely reasonable at this point And then Yvonne's really encouraging him to start tracking all of his expenses and all of his revenues in a spreadsheet to make sure
That he's like paying himself At least a break even and hopefully like like an amount of money that's worth it because as you could see
He's spending a lot of time on this now. It's a mess right now
And the first thing he said when I walked in the room was I'll clean it up tomorrow
I was like, honestly I'm not even mad. Yes do clean it up tomorrow, but I'm not even mad about this
Last night I was in the bath and he came in and interrupted me three times
Because there a bunch of filament got stuck on the outside of one of the hot ends
And he was like trying to swap out for another nozzle
And he was like working on extracting the ceramic heating element and like putting the temperature probe in and a bunch of like
PEGG filament had gotten kind of stuck on it and they ended he ended up breaking it and I'm just like
I'm not even mad This is honestly like such a proud dad moment right now. I will buy you a new heating element
I don't even care right now. Yeah, I'm just so glad that for the first time in your life
you are like dialed the f*** in
learning this stuff And and like highly interested in it. So he accidentally ordered slightly the wrong size magnets
Or rather McMaster car was an imperial and the file was in was in uh metric. No, this is great
That's a good lesson because because uh, my daughter my middle child is actually more
interested in learning the modeling side and so
They don't always interact a ton There's a couple year age gap and there's the gender gap. The gender gap is big and kids
Socially will tend to be like water or electricity
They will they will take the path of least resistance very often
So when the two girls are a pretty similar age gap and the girl and the boy are a pretty similar age gap
There's a tendency for the two girls to just do girly things together
And for my son to be kind of left out
And so that was such a cool parent moment When she helped him with it this strategic decision that I made a year ago because I don't know if you remember this
But the 3d printer was a christmas present for the whole family with with an ulterior motive
Right. I wanted them to learn this stuff. I was going to help them with it until I stopped
Until they got into it enough that when I stopped they'd be motivated to keep it going
And anyway, it was really cool to see them work together and figure out how to modify the model to make the magnets that he ordered work
It was like, ah proud parent moment. Let's go. Super cool. Yeah. Um, yeah, so
I I did warn my son. I was like, okay, you do need to keep this like
Kind of low profile because otherwise the school could tell you that you're like not allowed to do it anymore
That did happen at my there's some kid at my school that had a locker full of like snacks and stuff that he would sell
And he got shot down. So the school
Did send out a memo about a week after I warned him because because he was like, oh, yeah
I'm gonna like have a bunch of them like hanging off my bag and I'm gonna put a sign on my backpack
I know so so
Um, they sent out a memo to their credit. They were actually pretty chill about it
Not because this is for the entrepreneurship fair like this is what he was doing in that picture is official school business
Yeah, um, he's also selling snow cones. So Yvonne helped him with that side of it and I've been helping him with the 3d printer side
Um, and so that's like, uh, that's like an officially sanctioned thing during school hours
And then for the for the just like on the side stuff Basically what they said was look you can't exchange money during school hours or on school property
You can talk about it or on school property Yeah, but that's fine because you can just step one step off of walk
out during lunch Because you said or both. Okay, and yeah, and okay
So so basically they could just they just have to like arrange to meet after school
And I was like, you know what? That's actually pretty chill. They're not like you can't talk about it at all
You can't they didn't like ban 3d printed fidget toys. That seems reasonable to me. That seems perfectly
Totally reasonable. So I told him during the entrepreneurship fair
He should not only sell the fidget toys and stuff
But he should 3d print like little like challenge coins
That just have like his name and his grade or something
Just so that people like know because that's super cheap. So that's a marketing expense and just give them out
So now you're teaching him about That's sick
Teaching business What would be kind of neat is if you got them to print some stuff that might be
Interesting for I'm assuming this Business fair whatever thing
It's not just kids, right? Parents are going to
Uh, no, it's just kids. Oh, okay. Yeah, never mind then
I was gonna say if there was parents going I would like print some stuff that they might be interested in as well
Then they could place orders through the kids Then it might get shut down
That would be sick. All it takes is one parent to complain. Oh my god. He could set up a really basic website
And just have it be like that you reserve an order and then he could bring it
to school Technically the sale happened through the website
He's thought of that and he has a classmate that wants to build the website for him and like partner with him
and I'm just like I'm not going to interfere with that because I think he could probably do it himself
But I want the classmate to learn too and I want them both to learn that going into business together has advantages
About that and disadvantages and relationships are complicated and sometimes can be very fruitful and sometimes can be very challenging
these are all just things that like
I was a decade from starting to learn when I was his age. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right like yeah, yeah
No, that's a super valuable super super valuable my my thing with the online purchasing is you could just they didn't say anything about distribution
So if the payment happened
It can be distributed just fine. Yeah, I mean
I don't know exactly what the wording was. Do they have lockers?
Uh, yes Ah, man. Yeah, I like this idea too much. I know I know right. It's it's so cool
Because he could set up a relatively small printer in there and then if the transaction happened online
He could do like ready to order That's too far. They would definitely the second there's an extension cord running into his locker
You could get like uh, uh, what are these jackery?
There's an answer for everything dude. There's an answer for all things all things are solvable
I have go ego says it's just sad that 3d printing is at this point mostly just turning out other people's work in selling it
I I would offer an alternate perspective coding
um Libraries, I I mean even okay, let me just you write your own random number generators
Let me let me offer an alternate perspective. We're talking about kids here
The fact that my kids used our 3d printer exclusively as a toy factory
Just printing other people's designs in this case selling them
You could see that as a bad thing But let me pitch the the the you have to get your feet wet somewhere. Let me pitch the education angle
Like they were never going to have to learn to widen that magnet mount hole
If they didn't have someone order someone else's design the collaborative aspects of that is so freaking cool
And they're never going to learn to make a better magazine
That goes into the the the gun design better if they never learned to widen that hole
And they're never going to create their own You know elastic gun design from scratch if they never made that magazine modification or built a cool accessory that goes on the rail
You'll have to start somewhere It could end up turning into a thing where your your daughter's fun cool toy design models
End up being what your son is like peddling at school
And there's some form of like profit sharing agreement between the two or something
Who knows like it's all paths from here are pretty cool
Except for a path where it gets fully shut down and i'm happy that the school, you know did a fairly reasonable thing
I'm being like, you know what don't sell these on ours. Don't overdo it. Yeah, which seems totally reasonable pump the brakes
Um, but i'm happy that they didn't completely shut it down
Because I mean there's there's weird aspects of that too, right? Because like we're sitting here thinking of ways that he can kind of work around it
That is part of business Making sure that you can operate as optimally as possible, but not break the rules is literally part of running business
Um, so like is actually a good lesson for him to understand that like if he pushes it too far
They have the power to shut him down. So he shouldn't do that
But it is a reasonable thing to push it a little bit and like try to try to do what he can
Um, I think this is amazing I heard this concept not all these details, but I heard the concept and like immediately basically begged that there would be a video
And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's probably a video. I was like, thank god So lumen's a real says so are you suggesting that scraping for ai was good because they had to start somewhere so incredibly
That is that is such a literally not stealing. It's such a bad faith
Comparison on so many levels now. Hold on though because there are a lot of models
Hold on a lot of there are a lot of models on these marketplaces that are not approved for commercial use
However, we are explicitly in this case. We are explicitly
talking about small-scale student use which
Okay, is it commercial? Yeah, but there's degrees of commercial use and there are
There's there's nuance guys. Well, are the models that he's using with that license legitimately don't know
Okay, kind of don't care. Yeah, to be honest with you. I don't really either, but they might also just not be they also might just not
Be I agree. There are a bunch of models that are like that They're also a bunch of models that just don't care at all and look
Over time if he scales this thing up and all of a sudden he's like selling online and selling, you know thousands of
Gadgets a week. He's gonna need to make sure he's playing by the rules Then he's gonna need to make sure that he's playing by the rules
But when we're talking about, you know a company like open ai or perplexity
Companies that you know have millions upon millions or billions of dollars of seed funding guys
We're talking about a totally different thing. We're not talking about a kid in their basement
Printing 3d printed models and taking them to school and selling them for four dollars, right? Like we've context
does matter and
I know that's a really hard concept for people
But it does matter. It does matter a lot and the world is not black and white
All right
Uh, oh, yeah, you know, I don't really think that talking about the podcast I was on matters that much
But what is an interesting conversation?
Um, I was I was on like an interview
um Hold on let me see if I can find it
Yeah, yeah, there we go. I I did an interview with uh, john uche and um
Is this not the podcast? Yeah, this is it. Oh, okay. Yeah, and quite a few
Quite a few people were very confused and some very upset
by This
Wait, they were upset by it. Yeah, I can understand being confused. I don't understand being upset
Yeah, so youtube has a new feature. Yeah, it's cool. That allows a channel to
Uh Collaborate with another channel. Yeah, it's like awesome like through the platform. Well, hold on. Hold on because there's there's alternate perspectives here
um to collaborate through the platform and
publish a video to the subscriber feed
Of the channel that they collaborated with Uh
Yeah That's why they're upset. I didn't know I did that. So that's where things get a little bit interesting. Is there a way for me to
Is there a way for me to search? Can I can I find all the comments that I know I'm personally still okay with that?
But I also understand why that would bother people. That's irritating. This is going to be
This is going to be a pretty hard thing for me to find here then because
I I ran into someone that was like very upset about this feature and I just
Legitimately was like I would like to know more about your perspective because you have
Extremely strong feelings about this and I don't really uh, I don't really get it. Um
I'm gonna see if I can find it because they they
In some ways kind of raised an interesting point, but in other ways. I think um
Are maybe not necessarily Are considering the the the shades of gray. I guess so on the one hand
They're black and white point that I can that I can agree with
Is that I didn't subscribe to this channel. Get the out of my feed. Yeah, I understand that
fair Valid oh good. I found the comment
It would just it would just be kind of cool if there's when you go to your subscription feed
If there was a like checkbox option thing to like
No longer show collaborations. So here's buddy's comment. I hate hate hate the collab feature on youtube
And nine out of ten. I will not watch the video out of spite for this feature
We should not be getting videos from a creator and our subscribe feed from people. We are not subscribed to
With that said, I don't know this podcast But I am interested in Linus getting interviewed because it happens so suddenly
I mean, he's not afraid to say whatever the f*** he wants on his own channel, especially when any who back to the show
So I said this seems like a super weird hill to die on I'm interested to understand more about your stance
You subscribed to our creator me I assume in this case and youtube made a feature that notifies you when I'm in a video
I honestly don't see the problem with it. Can you help me out? Okay, so here's how open of you very very very nice
Well, no, I just I'm a reasonable comment, sir
I'm not being. I mean, I did call him super weird
I'm so maybe he was super weird. I said it's a super weird hill
Yeah, but I mean he's dying on it. So
I think the implication was clear
I think you're being super weird about this was kind of what I was saying, but I genuinely
Genuinely, it felt like you were genuinely open to see their perspective. Well, I didn't think I didn't think he was coming at it in bad faith
Yeah, I could tell he was legitimately upset. Yeah that he wasn't making like
Assumptions or sweeping generalizations as far as I could tell. Yeah, so here's what he said. Okay
The example that started this collab feature was mark robber and mr. Beast and that is that is fair enough
I think they were the first ones to get access to this feature. I think they launched it with the um
Clean up the ocean collab earlier this year. Yeah, I don't quote me on that though
But I believe they have used it I have a problem with mr. Beast in his practices
Mr. Beast has since been shoved down my throat multiple times because he collabs with creators
I love watching but I don't want to watch a mr. Beast video
I specifically haven't blocked for a reason. I shouldn't be forced to see his face or videos in my subscriber fee
You haven't blocked. Yeah, it shouldn't show and that is why I wanted to know more because I could tell we were going somewhere with this
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I agree a hundred percent
YouTube needs to fix this. Yeah, that seems simple to fix. It's one thing to to
Feed me a video of a person that I subscribe to even if they're on someone else's channel
Yeah, it is an entirely other thing if I have explicitly said do not show me
The collaborate is so simple to fix though. Well, they probably just didn't think of it
And we and it just needs to yeah be properly communicated
Very slow machine needs to eventually turn out the fix and it'll happen. I'm sure um
I've been dying on this hill for the months. This feature has existed. It's a long death
Um, I'm pretty sure I've said it in your comment section a few times in the wan comment section
If you happen to mention it, I didn't see it before. Sorry J. Cereo 187. Thanks for taking the time to recognize it
um I also I think it should be your or the collaborator's responsibility to show me slash
Advertises content put a post up on your socials or on the youtube feed. Hey, I made this thing with this person
Check it out or don't so here's where I'm going to kind of go counterpoint J. Cereo
I wish I had that power I don't
If I post something on like the Linus tech tips community tab or if I post a short or something
If it doesn't resonate strongly with the audience
especially with how sensitive
Algorithmically youtube has been lately to things just being either mega bangers or absolute flops
It will have like zero reach
You won't see it And so youtube took away my power to to promote these things
Myself a really long time ago algorithmically
So what they're doing is they're they're giving me back the scraps
They're giving me the ability or they're giving another creator the ability to to properly
Cross-pollinate in a way that we haven't had for a long time
And I totally get it if you have a channel blocked like if you had this john guy
You know if you hate his channel or something or in your case, it was mr. Beast
It wasn't johnny. I can't see anything to hate about john here, but Um, but in your case, it was mr. Beast if you have a channel explicitly blocked that you have do not show flag
You should never see it. You should never see it. I agree with you 100 percent. That's something youtube needs to fix
But your suggestion that I just sort of promote things myself
I wish I could I hate that I can't that I can't publish something
And and be trusted To to not spam my viewers with stuff
They don't want to see to to actually have the power to push a notification to the people who click subscribe
And just let them unsubscribe if they if they don't want to see it
But youtube determined a long time ago that for their business interests, which are maximizing watch time and maximizing ad and premium revenue
it was better for them to just
Because they knew that users were just going to be too lazy to unsubscribe to a channel
They didn't want to hear from and they were just going to turn off youtube notifications. That's where it came from
That's what this all goes back to is users instead of unsubscribing from stuff
They don't want to see they would just turn off notifications
And youtube doesn't want that So they determined it was better for them to decide how often to give you a notification from my channel
They took that power away from me a long time ago
Um So yeah, last thing I said was okay. Hey, thanks for elaborating
I still think it's a little overkill to want to remove a feature from the platform because there's one specific creator you're trying to avoid
I also agree with your general sentiment that as a viewer you should be able to control the content that is fed to you
Um, the part I don't agree with is that this is any worse than basically anything else youtube has done algorithm-wise over the last 5 to 10 years
The short shelf being in my way all the time or the utterly broken search that's full of stuff
I've already watched and stuff. I'm not looking for so much worse. I mo
Um, anyway, look at that Look at that a respectful
Interaction on the internet. We should have it bronzed
Um, I learned something and I hopefully j s learned something as well
This is I was scrolling through the youtube's while you're talking about that
I just have you know the account that's logged in for uh, the wancho here
I just noticed something random in the recommendations, which was a 13 year old NVIDIA video
A four year old delta highlights video a 15 year old white five four six video
um 13 days two months 12 year old video scroll down more eight years ago 16 years ago. What's happening?
Why is this account recommended just like the oldest stuff ever? Maybe it just knows you're old
Maybe this is the equivalent of spotify is uh, your listener age
All goes seems to have changed in the last few days. I've noticed my feet get really weird again
It did it did somehow pick up that I would want to see the
I am Gabe Newell that oh, no that I would want to see this one
This guy living in delay to 2026 So they know that about me somehow even though it's
Not even like really my I guess it sort of is my account but like search for stuff sometimes
But I don't watch it. It's just on wancho. No, but you search for stuff
Uh in this chrome profile that is related to what we talk about on wan
So you've definitely talked about sky blue. We've definitely probably did luke. We probably did luke. We did. Thank you
It happened, uh, is that it for topics, uh, yeah, I think so anyway, uh, you can go check out the interview if you want, um
A lot of ground has been tread before on the WAN Show But it's a more concise version of a lot of it. You don't have to watch like a thousand hours of WAN Show
You could just watch the one interview and he was really nice very accommodating host. Um
Yeah, super cool. I met him for the first time at vid summit. That was where we um, it was actually I was
I saw a couple complaints on his channel. It's amazing how spoiled people can get because his channel generally looks really great
So I saw some complaints about his set and it's like bro
They managed to make it look that good in a conference room
I was like I was marveling at what he and his team pulled off and like their amazing attention to detail
And meanwhile people are like complaining about it. Uh, yeah, I was like I was like great job, you guys
This looks this looks swell. Why are they complaining? This was this was just in like like an ugly
You know how every conference room has to be like tan and brown Yeah, just yeah, we were just in a like an ugly tan brown
They brought in a rug to giz it up a little bit brought in some plants. They got the lighting
I I thought they did a great job I didn't think it was in a studio. I didn't know where you were but I yeah, I mean I picked up the vibe pretty good
We were in a horrible meeting room at a hotel. Yeah, we're in a conference center. I didn't see much of it
Great job. Great job All right, Dan, I think it's time. It's when after dark except it's
The afternoon light out there. I don't know how to deal with this. He was ahead of us. I don't know how to deal with this
Yeah, that's a little weird There's other connotations
Yeah, we don't go outside Yeah
How about some merch messages? Yes, I'd love that. Okie dokie
First time catching a show between work and being Sabbath
Observant in my community sundown friday. Hold on. I'm a little wait. I'm a little confused. Can we slow down for a second?
I thought you're allowed to recreate wait. Are you not allowed to use computers?
Well, it's not friday sundown yet No, no, I know but just like the Sabbath in general. I don't know the rules
No, yeah, but is yeah, but is watching a podcast work turning on a light is work. Is he calling us work?
No, no, I know it's rude Right though. It's rude
Okay. Oh, wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Tell me this. Tell me this. Okay. Okay
Again, this is coming from a place of complete ignorance. I have no idea how the rules work
All I know is that sometimes my b and h orders wouldn't ship on time. That's literally all I know
so Do they have a wire for that? But if I if
If you created a script That would like that would that would turn on your tv tomorrow
No, what I'm just asking. This is a whole line of technology. This is a whole thing we can get into
Really? Shut up Okay, but hold so I could I could push a button today on friday
And then it could run a script that has a time delay to turn on the wanshow like tomorrow
and then And then we'll turn it off when it's over like with that would that count
I think that's a thing like I'm pretty Yeah, I've heard of like ovens that will
Turn on to preheat at a scheduled time and then you can have dinner
You can do stuff like that and like it's uh, you do a crock part. You started in the the morning. Yeah
There's special elevators
That stop on every floor so that you don't have to press a button. Yeah, you're not interacting with it
It just stops opens the door for a certain period of time and then keeps going
um Yeah
There's like there's a lot of who technological workarounds
Huh
Okay interesting
It's a whole industry apparently Wow
This kind of reminds me of the electrical timers or like a huge deal for this
um This kind of reminds me of the uh, I think they're called halal mortgages
I I learned about this a while ago because you're not allowed to have a loan or no
You're not allowed to pay or receive interest in islam
So instead of a loan it's an asset backed
partnership or at least to own agreement
It apparently they cost like way more Nice. Yeah
Uh, anyway, I just I just love the name of this but one of them is called the shabalb
It's a light bulb that fits like any lamp and can be turned on and off on shabbat
Uh, apparently a toggle on the led bulb allows users to make it go dark by concealing led
Diodes that actually stay on Unlike other shabbat friendly lamps on the market the shabalb fits any socket can be used in regular lamp
It's probably my least profitable item, but people love this product says mortakai
You can use it during the week. You don't have to have a clunky lamp. You have to take out especially for shabbos
Yeah, then just like the shower with mode ovens
Huh All right. Wow
What a what a what a technology
Branch of technology. I've also heard people accidentally setting it into the wrong mode and then they can't use their oven all weekend
So you can't use it accidentally. Yeah Right, right, right, right. Yeah, like are you starting to set it to cleaning mode and now it's just
Broken now now. I want to learn more about these rules, right? Like it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool
Okay, okay, my so my oma had a lamp that didn't have like a switch
It was like the touch to dim remember those those were so cool. How are those not in fashion anymore?
Anyway, the point is like it was still have one. Yeah, it was like a touch to dim
Is that a switch does that count? What if you accidentally bump it?
Well, I don't know. I don't know. I literally I don't know. I don't know. Does that are you what about voice control?
Like is that a thing? Speaking is work
But then would that mean that you can't speak ever I'd say yes because you still operate. No
This is not your debate guys. I'm not debating anything. I'm asking questions. Yeah chill master of none. It's okay. It's okay
Clap on. So I don't know Tim says I'd say yes because you still operate the device
Yeah, because you're not operating the elevator by just getting on it and getting off, right? You're not instructing it to do anything, right?
Closing a blind like closing the shutters on your led bulb
I guess All right, that's why they don't turn on or off. You're just kind of like blocking you're affecting the result
But you're not actually commanding the device to do something different. I guess fascinating
Anyway, yeah, the question is have you ever done a full tech detox?
Hold on. Hold on. Lucky drive says my girlfriend is Jewish if you bump into it
It doesn't count as it wasn't intended if it's genuinely not intended. I think that makes a lot of sense
But are you allowed to turn it back off?
I Don't know. I don't know
I don't know. Okay. All right. All right. All right. Okay. Sorry Dan. Go ahead. Have you ever done a full?
No, we haven't even started this merge message No, I didn't even I get a good halfway through it. Wow. Okay. Have you ever done a full tech detox?
Have unintentionally. Um, no
No, I uh I like tag
I should probably try it how how long would it have to be to truly be a detox?
I don't know. It's 30 minutes I'm already shaking
I think if it's less than a week, you haven't even really like tried
Yeah, my biggest problem with this stuff is work. Uh, Emma proposed like we should pick a day a weekend where we don't do any
Got excited there Oh
Uh, Emma suggested that we do a day on the weekend where we don't use any electronics
And I was like, yeah, I mean that's neat, but If something happens, I like need to be able to be in contact
That is such a whole way to respond to someone's suggestion. That's neat. It is actually like a cool idea. I just can't do it
It is a cool idea I like it's I would I would genuinely like to and I I suggested we do like severely limited
or something But like what would that even on your smartwatch? I don't think I can actually just
Um, I I don't think I can actually just completely cold turkey it because of work stuff
and like part of my big issue is that
When I'm bored what I would probably like to do is like just do some work stuff
Like it's kind of my hobby Yeah, so that happens to me. Yeah, but like I think that's the point of digital detox
I can do something else though. That's the point is that you're supposed to just not I am certain I can do something
Okay, okay. Tell you what? 2026
Let's do it do what let's do a couple's weekend
No tech that's gonna be a problem if neither of us can be contacted doesn't matter
Also, Yvonne. Don't forget Yvonne. Oh god. Yeah, I know
I can probably set up enough like Contact lines that things could get figured out or hear me out. This is crazy
You could set a vacation responder on your email for the first time ever never. I know I know but you could try it
You could try it Never um
Most the really emergency stuff isn't gonna be emailed though. Let's do it. It'll be slack in teams. No, let's do it
Let's do it one weekend one weekend. I can do one weekend. We'll do one weekend
We can make one weekend. I'm sending this to Yvonne, which means, you know, it will happen
Now it's not just words Yvonne's involved. I can do one weekend
I've effectively had to do one weekend because I wouldn't have service for the weekend and stuff
Um yeah
I'm actually still live comma, but luke and I well bloody hell
I'm actually still live comma, but luke and I made a pact just now that
We are going to do a couple's digital detox for one weekend next year
So that means from midnight on friday to
Midnight on sunday night. No tech I think it's I think it's wanshow ending
Yeah, I could I could get in well Because friday night's the weekend in my opinion
Interesting, okay, uh, well we can debate that later. I don't want to like get into a long
Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I I could get behind that. I could get behind that
So we turn off wanshow and then we touch no electronic switches and no screens. No electronic switches
I think we can turn lights on and stuff. I mean is it technology or not? Okay. All right. You know what? No, it's you know
I I'm down. We got to do candles and stuff. I know they asked digital detox
So how about microchip? How about we draw the line at microchip?
I think it's screen a lot of a lot of modern modern
Yeah, because screen or microchip a lot of modern lights have your your light switches are like
Our vehicles have microchips in them. You walk past them and they turn on
Ah, okay, right. I mean your main vehicle has a screen in it too. Am I not going to be able to drive? No, no
Okay, I think you're overthinking this a little bit, but you can't listen to the radio in your car
Really? I like that. No maps No, like I like that
I don't know nothing. I can have a paper map. I can have a paper map. Yeah, can I print the paper map? Yeah
If you do it Friday, okay? Interesting interesting. Yeah, you know preheat the oven. You can use your oven. I you know, I don't care
But you can't you can't watch a podcast or listen to music and services effectively like you can't use your phone at all
No entertainment from a digital device at all. No assistance from a digital device. That's sort of thing. Yeah
I can't eat something that's like a monitor. Can I read a book if it's on a Kindle? No, no, okay?
No, no, it's good. It's good. We want to find out
We're finding the lines. What if I pre-loaded? What if I okay? Oh?
You said that I'm allowed to pre-print a map. Yes. What if I had a hundred Kindles?
And I pre-loaded a hundred pages. I don't know. You have to print it. Okay. Okay. I have to print the book
Curse you DRM I won't be able to there's lots of DRM free books actually by the way
Lucky Drive 1984 says if you accidentally bump into it and turn it on you cannot turn it back off unfortunately
Yeah, that sounds right. So I did get my answer on that. All right, Dan. What's next?
Hey LLD Linus, you have talked a lot about inventory of your products and I was curious
Why can't you just order a lot of it stored in a warehouse till it sells out cheers from the netherlands?
Money money money money It's such an innocent question. I know right money
But it's a complaint that our money money money
Yeah
As it turns out He's losing it do not have unlimited money. What I know
I We should do something to fix this my illusion is shattered mine, too
If you had stock you would have more money. I thought I did it was catch 22. It was all digital
Yeah, yeah, right. How am I get it's an infinite money glitch?
The more stock I buy the more money I have
So you see this chicken it's made of chicken
one of the One of the biggest challenges moving from a small business to a mid-sized business and then and then even and then beyond
One of the things that really scales in difficulty is managing your cash flow
Not your profitability You can be a profitable business and still be out of money that goes out of business
Because you didn't correctly manage your cash flow
Because you ended up with warehouses full of inventory that are not turning fast enough
And you end up with more bills due than you have money left to pay them
All of a sudden you fall behind on your payroll, which is the
Single most important bill that you need to pay every two weeks
And that's it You're cooked because maybe you're in an industry where no amount of discounting. I don't know
Giant copper rods is going to make enough new infrastructure projects that more people are going to buy them
Like I don't know what industry you're in in some industries You can just you can just torch your inventory
Not not literally light it on fire, but you can just go really aggressive on the pricing
You can move through a bunch of it. You can generate some cash flow. You get your you get your payroll paid
You get you know, maybe you're a little behind on your taxes as well You get that dealt with you go a little more conservative on your on your reorder and you can get you can get your feet back
under you right But especially a business that is that is scaling that is growing can
Can can run into trouble Because it's easy to look at your sales, right and go oh wow
We sold twice as many this you know this quarter as we did last quarter
I project that we're going to sell twice as many again the next quarter
So you take all the money that you got back from that inventory that you bought and then sold
All the money you made on top of that and you put it right back into buying more inventory
Well, hold on a second. What happened to all the profit?
I can't I can't pay my staff and screwdrivers and hoodies
Perk sure But payment no they can't pay their rent. They can't pay their food bill and screwdrivers. That's not how it works, right?
So you have to carefully As you are growing manage your cash flows
So you're keeping enough of the profitability to cover your operating expenses
And you are keeping enough of it to order more
So that you have enough inventory for your growing business
And this is why a lot of a lot of businesses take on outside debt
We have made the decision to grow organically to not take on outside debt as it happens right now
We do have a modest line of credit and this is maybe going to sound a little out of touch
But we have about two and a half million canadian dollars on our line of credit if you must know
And that was part of the lead up to black friday cyber monday because we ordered in a whack ton of inventory
Alongside having some expensive outlays like the tech house and some other stuff that i'll get into fairly soon with you guys
That all kind of hit us toward the middle to the end of 2025
And so for that reason we had to dip into our line of credit
Probably looking at how black friday went we won't need that line of credit for much longer
But it's just part of managing your cash flow and if for whatever reason your credit's not strong or is not pre negotiated even
Then it can be a big problem Even if you're growing even if you're profitable
So why can't I just Order a bunch
And put it in a warehouse till it sells out in europe which is where i assume you want it because you're saying cheers from the netherlands
Not only right am i going to be tying up cash flow if i order too much
But what i could also be doing Is i could be increasing my month to month operational expenses
Then it's a double whammy that's really tough
Because i have a whole bunch of bills due for all this inventory that i purchased
It's sitting in a warehouse that now guess what now i have to pay monthly
In some cases more frequently than monthly for the storage
Of said inventory in said warehouse everybody at every stage in the chain has to feed their families
Right so i can't just tell that warehouse oh well you should just store it for me for free. Why should they i'm not a charity
They don't owe me anything So unfortunately it's always a fine balancing act when you're expanding between
What you are forecasting for your sales how much available cash flow you have and you know what
What your partners can do to help to enable you to achieve your growth what kind of credit you can draw from
It's complicated We'd love to have an EU warehouse. We'd love to it would be nice
someday you know
Will whatever entity is willing we will
But it is not this day. No
What's up boys line us are their new sweatpants
Hold on one second. Oh boy. Uh, mr. Nebbe says making 22 million in adsense last year
Two and a half million of credit is nothing that 22 million adsense was all time
That's over the entire existence of the LTT channel since 2008
I saw quite a few people who were sort of confused by that from the interview that was ever
Not not in one year. Okay. Go ahead. Sorry What's up boys line us are there new sweatpants coming soon miss the stealth ones? I guess mr. Cheap over there got them all
um New sweatpants coming. I think we have some new sweatpants coming. Um, I don't have a time frame on those
But if we do it will probably be in like winter spring. So should be
You know sometime We'll definitely make sweatpants again at some point. There's the dropout sweatpants
Are those? Yeah, I don't think we have all the sizes in stock. We oh
I don't think the thing is showing properly and another challenge with having different distribution centers around the world
You're looking at one site that doesn't necessarily mean that the other site has them in stock
Fun time challenges
Next one in Sure thing. Um, do you have any stretches of road that you like to drive on the bike?
I unfortunately just I haven't ridden my motorbike in three years. I hopefully they are going to put it together this winter and I will ride it in the spring
um For me, it's less about like a particular road and it's more just like
air You know and the and the agility. I love just I love the I love the space you have you can create a lot of space for yourself on the motorbike like I
Uh, my justification to myself and you can call it rationalization. I don't care. I won't be offended
Um, but it's very clear that on a motorbike if you get in an accident
You are very much more dead than you would be necessarily if you're a cager
um However It's got to start any terminology. Yeah, however
You can create a lot more buffer space for yourself on a motorcycle than you can
In a car and so, you know, I can when I'm passing I can create like
Nine feet of space between me and any other vehicle whereas in a car
I'll be more like three feet away. So if someone is behaving in an unpredictable fashion
I think I am less likely to be
obstructed by them in any way and end up in an accident on a bike
Even if the consequences of said accident will be much worse on a bike. That is a tough line of thinking
You're you're entitled to it. I'm a super defensive rider. I can tell you that much
Um, I you're entitled to it. I create extra space for myself
I don't I never want to be beside someone when I'm on the bike
I'm always watching 360 And it is it is easier. It's you have way better visibility
You're way smaller
Yeah, scrappy saying t-bones don't care. Yeah, there's a there's a decent amount of scenarios. That's so true
You can't correct for that's so true. Yep. I believe that you do those things
Yep, and I believe that that You know probably makes you safer than a lot of riders
But I there are also just things that you know and a big part of it is the cargo fast hit go boom
There's a big part of it is the environment that I ride into like I mostly just commute to and from work
Highway there and back And so if if I was if I was in a different environment, it might be a completely different situation
So just make of that what you will right like I'm not saying that anything about my experience is applicable to your own
Just set up my nas why is raid zero with all used ssds and no off-site backup the safest layout
Thank you for mcm. The argument that Linus was just
Having you know if you're going raid zero all ssds used ssds
You're gonna pay more attention to your setup be a little bit more aware if anything is failing. I'm archiving
Just be you know, you're gonna be you're gonna be more careful. How could you curate that Dan?
What the heck
Fine First time watching live from france
Thanks to the earlier schedule schedule. I I don't know what I'm supposed to say anymore
You've mentioned many times that sony playstation's controllers are much
Inferior to microsoft slash x boxes. Can you explain why?
um, so first of all the dual sense is amazing
um But going back to the dual shock series
personally I and Luke from his hand gestures
Agrees I prefer to have my thumbs
In a symmetrical resting position
So i'm on my abxy here and i'm on my analog stick here. I do not prefer to be on my
Triangle circle square, whatever the last one is here and then on my thumb stick here
I do not prefer that as my resting position. Yep. I'm not primarying the d-pad that simple. Yep
Last one I got for you today. Good day lanky lukey and Dan. I don't get a special name
What is the best way to determine if a GPU is going bad?
I have a 30 60 ti in my hp omen desktop and lately it seems like it's struggling with basic things like youtube
I'd probably run a stress test run fur mark on it or something like that see if it artifacts. Um,
Check if there's dust check your temperatures. Yeah, maybe repaste it 3000 series. Yep
I mean, you're not going to be losing your warranty on it at this point. So yep
You might as well give it a shot. Um, I would definitely
Hit your system with a ddu. Just google ddu
Yeah, give it a little freshening up and then install your drivers fresh see if the issues go away failing that
I would try a fresh Windows install. It's a 30 60 ti So we're probably talking like a seven year old eight year old Windows installed by this point
Um, and then if you're still having issues then yeah, it might be it might be a problem
All right, well, hey, thanks for tuning in you guys. We'll see you again next week same bad time
Well, probably probably back to the regular time next week, but definitely same bad channel. Probably. Yeah. Bye
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