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televisions used to cost nearly 10,000 today bucks

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and you'd get a tiny little screen in a giant cabinet

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but today you can get a perfectly Cromulent TV for just $30.

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Okay, it's not exactly a cinema in your home

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but we bought this from Best Buy for $35.

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So why would you spend more? Well, if you pony up $300, you'll get something

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larger, sleeker and high definitioner.

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Is this the sweet spot? If you're not a cinephile probably

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but if you spend three thousands of dollars

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like we used to on TVs, you could get a state of the art

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OLED panel that makes everything we've looked at so far look like it was designed for line of sight humans

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with very poor eyesight. But what if you could spend three 10 thousands of dollars?

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How much more TV do you really get when you spend car money on a television set?

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Is it worth it or is this little guy good enough?

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After all, even this is practically science fiction technology compared to what your parents grew up with.

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I mean, look how clear the picture is. Hey, I can even make out this segue to our sponsor.

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Let's kick things off with the best deals that I've gotten in a long time.

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This open box 32 inch Insignia NS32F201NA23.

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Okay, sure. It's only in fair condition

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and it sports just a 1280 by 720p resolution

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but it comes with a short open box warranty.

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The display itself actually looks pretty good.

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And come on guys, 35 bucks is 35 bucks. Who needs the full high definition

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when the screen is this small? You probably, even at just 32 inches, guess the PPI.

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It's like 45 PPI. 45.

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That is small PPI. And the worst part is that because this was an open box deal,

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normally you would pay a lot more for this thing.

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On Black Friday promo, it was more like $70,

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which is about twice what we paid for it. And the value proposition gets pretty questionable

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at that point. Let's give it a shot. You know, the remote, it feels okay.

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It's better than the Samsung remote we'll try later.

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Wow. You can really see those dark areas in the corners.

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I don't think that's a defect, sir. I think that's just the TV.

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For being a 720p display, the text looks crisper than I expected though.

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Smaller than I expected. Yeah, it's tiny.

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But growing up, I would have been stoked for a TV like this. We've already run into a problem.

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What button am I supposed to press? Okay, I actually can't tell from here.

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Oh, it is. It's the home button. Why does it have to do this?

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We turned the TV on with it. This is a fire TV. Yeah, you're getting fire TV built in.

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It's not the worst smart TV platform. In five gigahertz Wi-Fi,

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show me anything else for $35 that has five gigahertz support.

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My eyes are starting to dry out. Just looking at this for this long.

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Full. Yeah, let's go with, just not installing any of your bullshit is not an option.

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All of the ads, it works. Okay, but what's this show called?

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Okay, no, from the thumbnail. I know that it is. Only because I recognize.

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As much fun as we're having, making fun of the fire TV experience though,

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we want consistency as we're evaluating all our different TV sets.

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So we're going to switch over to an NVIDIA Shield really quick here. It's got three inputs though,

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which all things considered not that bad and does have an optical jack,

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which if I was running a TV like this, I would 100% want a soundbar

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and that would be extremely handy. Oh, I hadn't even thought of the speaker quality.

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Uh-oh, input. I forgot about this. Yeah, there's no input button.

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Ridiculous. I expect that on a Samsung TV.

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Frustrated with seeing the same ads on repeat. Well, that's how their TV is $35 open box.

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Let's go to that spot we like to watch. These are better than I expected.

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Harsh, but clear. If you had a child and sat them in front of this TV

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and turned the speakers on, they would be stoked. They would not care.

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Is it TN? It doesn't seem like it. No, I'm pretty sure this is VA.

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So it is, so it is. Like dude, it's kind of fine.

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That's not terrible viewing angles. No, I'm downright impressed.

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And for only $35, open box fair.

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It's normally 70 bucks on sale. And the distance you're at is about the same size.

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It is funny how almost the exact same size it is.

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And your speakers are probably better. Plus this is OLED. You know, just because it doesn't get

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over like 300 nits of brightness, that doesn't mean it's not bright enough.

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No, it's very usable. Do you want to know what the color accuracy is? I'm going to guess Delta E average of 13.

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In standard mode, yes. But it has a film mode. No.

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Yeah, it's got a film mode. Shut up. And in the film mode, it gets an average of six

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with a max of like 12. That's not bad. That's not bad. Like it's not amazing.

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The only real downside to this TV, aside from like size and pixel density, the latency.

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Even with game mode on, it's still bad. It measures at like seven milliseconds

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over the theoretical perfect. Even that's not that bad compared to-

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Okay, it's not as bad. Not that long ago. I could game with an extra seven milliseconds of latency.

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In summary, no, it's not amazing, but it's amazingly better than I expected.

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Even at the non-open box price, making it perfect for something like a dentist office

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or a guest or a kid's room. Who I would say it's not for though,

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is someone who is struggling with affordability and looking for a primary display.

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For those folks, I really do think you'd be better off just holding the phone

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that you probably already have until something pops up on a local buy nothing group

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or if you could pick up something like a used monitor. Full HD units tend to go for about this price

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or in some cases even cheaper if you pick one up secondhand

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and they're not that much smaller. They are smaller.

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Okay, they are smaller, but this is a classic like boots theory of economic situation

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where spending money on low quality crap is gonna cost you more in the long run.

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And even though this thing looks fine today, I have serious doubts about how long it'll last.

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Yeah, any of our TVs, we're not gonna be doing long-term testing. So nothing is necessarily a recommendation.

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Did you lift it? Oh yeah, it weighs like nothing at all.

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Nothing at all. You're sure this is 720p, right?

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Like it's not bad. That's what it's advertised as. Now let's see what happens when we decouple our budget

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and pick up the 55R4C5.

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This is nuts. I mean, if you told teenage me

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that he could buy a 55 inch 4K TV for $300,

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he would have immediately dropped his discman, shattered his hybrid theory CD

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and sprinted to the local future shop. I mean, sure, it's a pretty basic LCD panel

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with pretty basic LED edge lighting.

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So don't expect a great HDR experience, but we have not only tripled our total screen area,

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we have also jumped to a whopping 80 pixels per inch,

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which is gonna result in a much sharper image. We're also getting one of the better smart TV implementations

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with Roku built in, which is a bit of a hot take

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now that it's clear how much of your data they're stealing. Yeah, but everyone's stealing your data.

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Yes, and unlike TizenOS, which also advertises to you on top of stealing your data,

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at least Roku is somewhat pleasant to navigate. Hold for five seconds.

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Now that is clear instructions. Yeah, TV much bigger.

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Is it doing a good process? Hey, oh! Now this is a TV that I could get

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behind spending $300 on. Oh, did we just give Roku a pass

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for being like kind of awful? I forgot about this part.

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You cannot use this TV without an account. Roku, go fuck yourself.

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Also, doesn't have a source button.

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Is there a home button though? No input button. Yeah, that is annoying. No, we can't seem to reach you at Roku sucks.

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Please activate in the next 30 minutes. Wait, oh, shit.

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What? I had to select stupid apps on my phone.

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Whoa! CBC gem, let's go.

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Set up complete. Was there a minimum amount that you had to select as well?

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No, could select zero. But maximizing fun factor.

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Okay, this is just joking around. Oh, I thought you were pointing at how many apps are on it.

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That's why they didn't have to have me select any. They preloaded 44 on my behalf.

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Back didn't go back to home. Oh, that is stupid. Why does it just go back?

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Because it's Apple logic. Wherever I just came from.

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Take me there, take me there. That's why it's called the back button.

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I thought it was because baby got it. That's... Like the last set, we've got three HDMI's,

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one with EARC, as well as optical audio, but we actually lose the three and a half millimeter jack.

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We get a coax jack, an Ethernet port, and a Type-C USB port.

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Why is it so damn hard to just find the input?

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They don't want you to use anything but the TV.

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TV input? It's so buried too. Why is it down here?

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HDMI mode? No, just, I just, I want to use it. What's the rocket ship button?

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Quick launch. Hold to change this shortcut. Change it to an input button.

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I'm going to try. You got to be kidding me.

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You can change it so it goes to the Roku channel though.

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Okay, home. Maybe it's down here somewhere. Oh my God, it's below the fold on the home screen.

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That is some passive aggressive level bulls***. I just want you to use the TV.

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Okay, so movie is just warmer. Wow, this is actually pretty well configured out of the box.

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Not bad anti-glare. Not great. That's not amazing, but like, it's totally usable.

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Oh, very usable. I think we just didn't notice the anti-glare coating

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on the previous TV because of how small it was.

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This is a wild take. Hold on. Was the last one brighter?

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Because I think it was. This one, no.

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And the gamma handling is like, bad.

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The problem with having all of these like, dynamic contrast enhancer and other settings like that

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is it's not going to look amazing until you find the right setting for it.

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I mean, it's only on like low. I know, but turn it up to high.

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You're going to get less color accuracy, but it'll probably be a brighter image

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that most people are going to prefer. Oh, hold on. We're in dark HDR.

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Which is the most accurate, I will say.

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The bright one looks horrible. It's standards like a little pop here.

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But everything in the back is crushed. It's all crushed. This is not supposed to look like this.

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There's no full array local dimming. There wasn't full array local dimming on the last one.

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I know, but it also wasn't trying to do HDR at all. But my point of comparison is a $30 TV that make,

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look how bad that looks. The entire right side of the frame is just black.

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Maybe don't use HDR on a TV that's not meant for HDR.

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I didn't advertise it as HDR. I know. Oh, display when available.

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Oh, okay, sure. Okay, I can turn off HDR.

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I would take this over the last image. I would too. 100%, not even close.

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This is why you don't get an HDR TV that just says HDR

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and then play HDR content on it. You need full array local dimming.

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Full array local dimming, which is only going to come in mini LED or OLED.

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Cause micro LED is not out yet. Well, not in consumer space. At a price that anyone cares about.

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Definitely not at $300. Look how much better this is though. It really is like everything in the background,

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you can still make it out. And it's just because the whole thing is kind of lifted.

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Yeah, I'd rather watch this. How are the speakers though?

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I don't think they're even better than the last one. Not really, no. But like, they're both okay.

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You can really tell what they've tuned for. Like right in the vocal range, peak!

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Yeah. Everything else, don't worry about it. How is the Labs results?

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Not awful. We're getting a little over 200 nits in SDR,

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about 320 in HDR. And that lack of brightness,

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even compared to our $35, $70 TV, you really see it.

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Yeah. Our color accuracy is not bad, both in SDR and HDR.

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And our latency is similar to the last TV.

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At 60 Hertz, we're getting 5.2 milliseconds over our theoretical perfect.

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Very usable. Something to note by the way, is we made these purchases before Black Friday.

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So these aren't even necessarily the best deals you can find. We saw a similar TCL for as little as $170

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as a door buster sale, which is flipping wild.

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As for our TV, okay. It's 10 times the price,

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but you are getting nine times the pixels. And in my humble opinion,

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other benefits that I think clock it in at over 10 times the enjoyment.

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Yeah, as much as certain things weren't that much better. Yeah, the speakers, wow.

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But the size and resolution alone. Without question,

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this is the bang for the buck Goldilocks right here.

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Of course, that doesn't make it absolute cinema either.

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What happens if we 10x our budget again?

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Whoa, that bigger TV. Damn, what a glorious beast you are.

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The Samsung S85F 83 inch.

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We're calling this our $3,000 TV, but we got an absolute steal of a deal on it.

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And so can you. Just like how a savvy shopper avoids buying an iPhone

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in August, savvy TV buyers can follow the industry's

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predictable cycle to get amazing deals. See, the new models usually get announced in January,

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then they land in the spring or the summer. That means that when fall rolls around,

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the discounts come out to play and you can often get something that hasn't even been replaced yet

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for significantly less money. Because of this,

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we got an 83 inch OLED for under our budget

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at just $2,500 US dollars. And it's packed with all kinds of features

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that you would expect on a high-end freaking, giant freaking OLED like four HDMI ports.

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It's worth noting, by the way, that as good as this thing is, it did have a pretty serious challenger.

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Yeah, the LG C5 also had an 83 inch model for sale,

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but it was $3,200. So it's over our budget, but according to ratings,

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I mean, it's the better TV. Well, before we say that, why don't we fire this up?

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Sure. Wow, this thing is a monster. We did get the S85 instead of the 95,

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so it's not quite the top-end model. Well, yeah, but like,

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I know, yeah. But it's also just regular OLED. Samsung can't make a QT OLED in this size yet.

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Thank you for choosing smart things. Did I choose smart things,

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or did I have smart things jammed down my throat?

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Why is it so trendy to put so few freaking buttons on your remote?

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Does this not have an input button either? No, it doesn't.

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Neither does my S95V at home. They-

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So offensive. You go to the home menu, and then you go to connected devices,

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and then you go from there. Just charged on solar, though.

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Yeah, and it's got USB-C on the bottom, too. Okay, so I open this app.

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Oh, my God. Location, the fuck you need my location for?

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Does it want you to tap that button on the remote? Oh, wait.

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Did I not have to do any of this? I can just click to the right.

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Whoa, and then go hello? Oh, my, okay.

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I got dark pattern. That's wild.

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It happens for the best of us. The right navigation button,

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being how to advance through the menus, is not how that works on any interface

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in the history of computing. This is the confirm button.

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These buttons are navigation buttons. Right means forward and go.

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No. The left to right, it- Not in Japan.

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Let's start. All right. Connect to Wi-Fi. This is pretty standard.

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This is fine. And thank you for the QWERTY keyboard. Okay, enjoy a wide range of smart features.

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Can you just sit next? Can you skip? I can. Okay.

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But then it just prompts me to sign in. Later. Later. Oh.

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It gave us a later option. Even this. Do it later. Do all this stuff later.

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This is kind of cool. Yeah, this is neat. You have the volume structure.

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Yeah, I'll enable that now. Turned up our brightness. It knows we're in a bright room.

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Hey, this is nice. You can use your smart remote to control your screen

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and connected devices. Just picked up everything. Yeah. Explore your favorite content quickly

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and easily. A bunch of Christmas movies. Like Die Hard. We're actually not that inundated with ads.

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I mean, these are all ads. It is literally all ads though.

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I know, but they're like- They're all ads. I mean, they're like movies I might want to watch.

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Picture clarity off. Wow. That was actually very simple to do

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within this little quick menu here. Live translate. That's interesting.

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What is the difference between AI optimized and AI customization?

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It's the mode that best suits your viewing environment. What the heck?

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I don't know. You know what? AI optimized there. Sure.

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Panel care. This is their first OLED. And while they don't burn in to nearly anywhere close

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to like plasmas or early OLEDs, you should still probably enable all of the panel health.

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This is something that has driven me crazy about HDR TVs since the advent of HDR TVs.

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Why is this grayed out? It's grayed out because there's no HDR content active.

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Yeah. So what? Let me change the settings. Let me just set it up.

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I have to choose a film for it. Go to connected devices. Go to R and video shield.

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I'm on it. It should power it on too. Yeah, there it goes. There we go.

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CEC baby. Shout out $20 versus $20,000 projector.

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That video's coming soon too. $200,000 projector? $200,000.

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$200,000. He found a whole higher gear than you.

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Are you going to take that? I can't find a 300. Actually, Neil, what? We probably could find a $300,000 TV.

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Next time. We got a micro LED. Subscribe for all of that nonsense.

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Where are all my picture modes that aren't AI optimized? I don't understand what's happening right now.

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I don't know either. You, the motion smoothing is back on.

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Why can't I turn film mode on? Where the hell is my filmmaker mode?

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Is it because I enabled AI optimization during setup?

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I'm factory resetting it. I'm going to not tell it do AI things this time.

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Okay. I should 100% be able to change a setting like that

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after the fact though, and it should be obvious. I'm so pissed off at this point.

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Hey, what was that before?

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So don't use AI, whatever, I don't know, but now we can actually change our picture modes properly.

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Okay. Which we should have been able to do. Now that we're finally here,

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this is far and away the best looking image we've seen.

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Yeah. It's incredible that we had to go through that much hassle

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in order to get here. But that could have been user error during TV setup.

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Look how bright this thing gets though. Yeah. In SDR, it definitely doesn't get very bright,

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but in HDR. But that's normal. That's fine.

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It's not supposed to. That's fine. I like a popped out like tone mapped SDR actually.

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Yeah. But it's not supposed to, but in HDR.

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It's good. We're getting over 800 nits, which isn't as much as the flagship.

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We're not cracking a thousand, but like. On an OLED. Isn't that for me?

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And now we're getting full array local dimming per pixel. Show me those fireworks.

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Ah, that looks good. Another thing completely ignoring the image quality

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is this is packed with features that we didn't have on our previous sets.

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120 Hertz 4K, variable refresh rate, auto low latency mode, very low latency.

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I would assume I haven't seen the lab's test results. It's an OLED.

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And I'll tell you right now, it's pretty good. All right.

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And how's the color accuracy? Also quite good. Both in SDR and in HDR.

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That makes sense. Yeah. It's OLED. Oh, we haven't listened to the speakers yet.

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Oh, I'm here for you. They're not that much better than the 55 inch TV.

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In terms of clarity, I would agree with you.

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But they manage that clarity across a greater range.

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Sure. If all you care about is you want to hear the news anchor

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on Fox or CNN or whichever only source of news

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you choose to consume, then any of them is gonna achieve it pretty much the same.

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But if I was going to watch a musical, I would prefer to watch it on these speakers

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or having spent this much money. Yeah.

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I would spend the rest of my $500 on a nice sound bar

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or a surround sound setup or a delightful RGB sweater from LTTstore.com.

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Would you love having 10 times more to spend on your TV? I would love that.

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Then why don't we go take a look at our last display? It's so big, we couldn't transport it here.

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So we gotta go to the lab. Here we are.

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And here is the Hisense 116UX.

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This puppy is pair bragging rights at 10 times the price

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and nearly twice the area of the 83 inch TV

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that we just looked at. Five times the cost for two times the size.

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Yes, sir. See, this bad boy gets hit with a double whammy

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of price boosters. First, it uses a brand new emerging backlight technology

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called RGB mini LED. Instead of white lights or blue ones,

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the backlights on this TV are multicolored for the widest color gamut

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that we have ever measured in the lab. You can see it in action in this Hisense factory tour

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that we're gonna have linked down below. The second whammy is mother glass.

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Now some of you may be familiar with this. Give yourself a cookie.

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But for everyone else, every smaller TV comes from a giant sheet of what's called mother glass.

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That mother glass gets cut down into the smaller panels.

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Now, as mother glass sizes have gone up with each generation of TV production,

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so have the sizes of the displays that you can cut out of it.

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But the prices for the top sizes in each generation remain very high

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because they could have taken that single sheet and they could have cut it up into a whole bunch

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of 55 inch or 65 inch TVs.

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Also, when you're cutting smaller pieces out, it's a lot easier to salvage usable displays

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out of an imperfect sheet. Say you had a bad spot here.

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Well, you just make one of these and one of these and one of these.

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No big deal. When you're making one giant TV,

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well, the entire sheet has to basically be perfect

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which just doesn't happen very often even under the best conditions.

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I've heard that the yields are so poor on these that even large multinational brands

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will make dozens or at most hundreds of these signature flagship products.

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So they gotta make sure that the juice is gonna be worth the squeeze.

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And then you gotta decide if your wallet can take the squeeze.

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And also your back because moving and installing something this big

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is a major hassle and it only has three HDMI ports.

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But that's actually cool because its last input is a USB-C port

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that handles DisplayPort in. Also, those HDMIs will do up to 165 Hertz at four.

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Okay, let's give it a shot. We have literally done this before

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and yet it still stuns. The small white setup is just so bright.

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Dazzling. Welcome to our new theater room, by the way. We built this in the lab

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so we don't have to always drag things to and from my house.

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How bright is this thing again? Almost 7,000 nits.

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That's wild. It'll even do 5,000 nits in SDR.

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So you end up with a very HDR-like effect even on your older content.

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Oh, wait, this is already set up for the last time. Forget the setup, whatever.

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At what point? Whoa!

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At what point is it too much? I've talked about this before.

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I don't think it can be too much until we reach the point where it looks like real life.

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You know, if you're on the bus and the sun catches the glass on a skyscraper.

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It can be eye-searing. It can be very bright. I want bright to look bright, not white, you know?

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Does it have an input button? Yes.

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Oh. 30 grand. That's what it takes to buy an input button.

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Also, shout-out high-sense, they have proper on and off for universal remotes

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instead of just power toggle, which can be important

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for getting everything aligned in there, shutting down and turning off.

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Ah, menu, thank you. Apply to all sources, thank you.

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Oh, we decided we liked the dynamic color enhancer on this one, didn't we?

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I think so. Lower medium, yeah, not on high. It's only 30,000 dollars.

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Oh, another big thing. I believe this one supports Dolby Vision.

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Yeah. That's a big point we didn't mention last time,

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is Samsung is still stuck with HDR 10 and 10 plus.

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They do not support Dolby Vision, whereas high-sense has seen fit to implement both.

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And that's not just on their $30,000 sets.

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Samsung's got to get it together on that, man. This is the first TV

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that 4K content looks not quite sharp. I was thinking that too,

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because the PPI, we are looking at. Oh.

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It's lower, isn't it? This is lower than the 32-inch 720p TV.

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We are getting just about 38 PPI or pixels per inch.

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Nice. It definitely looks low-res, even though it's not.

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But that's our fault, that's not the TVs. Yeah, we're just sitting too close. Way too close.

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God, it's beautiful. Yeah, the color is just incredible.

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The brightness. Because it's not just the color range.

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It's the color volume. You need brightness to really make HDR content

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pop off the screen, and this has it in spades.

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This isn't even like that crazy bright of a mastered film either. No.

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But it's still. TV gets so bright still. And it's pretty darn accurate.

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Oh. The streamers, they look so good. Yeah, I know.

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And as much as we might have complained because there's only like 3,500 local living zones,

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realistically, it still looks really good, especially compared to just about any other TV.

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It just happened to be next to one that had way more dimming zones.

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But I can see the local boxes and the hair there.

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The next generation of this. Oh, yeah.

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This is the closest to looking at actual fireworks

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that we've been. We didn't quite measure the 95% to BT 2020 they claimed,

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but I think we hit like 92 or 93%. It was 93 in change or something.

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It was really close. It does have other downsides though.

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While the input latency is very good, the pixel response times are not.

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So gaming on this set can be a little smeary looking,

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especially when you've got high contrast action on the screen.

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I was pretty disappointed in that. With that said though,

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the speakers are a strong point.

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Damn. There's still TV speakers,

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but they're way better than all the other TVs we tried.

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Yes. But at this budget,

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you should get standalone speakers. So yeah. I mean, at this point,

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I feel like I'm talking to literally several people.

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But if you have this kind of budget and if you are looking at your various options,

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OLED mother glass has also been getting bigger over the years.

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And LG now has a 97 inch G5 for about $25,000.

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It is smaller. And when a regular TV that size can be had

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for just a few thousand dollars, it's kind of a hard sell.

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But that one is probably the largest display on the market

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that manages truly peak flagship image quality

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for the discerning cinephile. If you're keen on that

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or any of the TVs that we showed off or talked about today, we're gonna have them all linked down below.

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And if you wanna spend some money on today's sponsor, well, you're gonna have to wait for me to segue to them.

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Thanks for watching. If you liked this video, make sure to check out the $50 versus $50,000 computer video.
