Yeah, so if you hate Austin Evans, you will hate this.
Legally, we do have to be a little mean to it.
I was going to say F tier just because Mark Zuckerberg.
Yeah.
We got our S tier. We got our F tier.
Don't know enough. I don't know if there's going to be a lot that's don't know enough.
Maybe the phones. I don't know anything about phones and smartwatches.
So this is like the stuff that's come out this year.
What is, what is, where does it rank?
So that's the Alienware QLED or OLED?
QD OLED. This is a QD OLED panel on an Alienware monitor, right?
Alright, first we got the Alienware 3423DF and I know because I have this monitor.
QD OLED's really good. I want to put it in S tier.
I was kind of thinking that as well. Like that's the best monitor of the year, isn't it?
Pretty much. You can argue about 4K and what not, but purely for gaming this is like the best monitor to buy, basically.
This was a pretty category leading product when that first launched.
So I'm saying we should put it in A. What do you think?
Yeah, I mean I like it. I think the price is a little higher than I'd be willing to spend on it,
but it's one of those things where a couple years down the road, and I'm going to say this for a lot of things,
a couple years down the road, if price is reduced and I can get it on the used market, it's going to be a buy.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good price and for me, color fringing is a big issue.
Okay, we'll give you that. So for productivity, it's not a great solution.
If you're only in gaming and content consumption and you don't care about super high refresh rates, go for it.
Listen, everyone was praising it. I'd probably put it in C tier, but when they're 2, there was a cheaper one that's better.
Yeah, this one likes to have the white stand, so it's the more expensive model.
If it was the cheaper model, I'd still put it towards like A to B.
The tech behind it is S tier quality, but the price is still so far out of reach.
I thought it's an amazing price. That's what he's saying.
Well, in Canadian dollars, it's like what, I think four to five hundred dollars cheaper, which is substantial,
but we also have broke monies compared to America. Next, we have the, I'm guessing this is the 7900 XTX?
Yeah. You're the AMD guy. It's B tier. It's a good card.
Even B tier, it's a good card. It's better value than anything NVIDIA is offering, but it's still very expensive.
But on the other hand, it's where a high end, if you're talking about price, it's where a high end card should be.
It's in the thousand dollar range. But I like ray tracing.
This has ray tracing. In theory. In theory.
Not even in theory. In theory, it has ray tracing cores.
They just don't have proprietary NVIDIA special magic.
But I want it to run well. Yeah, that's the hard part.
But the pricing is very competitive. I think B makes sense. Yeah.
For what it is. A tier? B.
B. It's still expensive. My expectations were S tier and then it launched and it was like...
They hyped it up and the performance, I was hoping for like just 10% better than what it was.
I was hoping for like 20, 25% more.
Like they normally hype their stuff up and then over deliver and this one they hyped it up and just...
And then under delivered. Yeah. Okay, I'm okay with B tier as well.
The XTX, I mean, the GPUs are going to be so controversial.
Because the problem with GPUs right now, it's like even the one that's the best buy is still like a hard pill to swallow.
I don't know. I'm saying somewhere between A and B.
What do you think? I'm thinking it's a B tier.
They've reinvigorated AMD's offerings.
I feel like we're starting to look at AMD more as...
We're not all team green all the time anymore.
So that's real nice.
All right, let's chuck it in there for now. We'll see what else we come against.
Maybe we'll have to move it. I don't know enough. Okay, so Hor says he doesn't know anything.
Makes sense. What do you think of it?
I almost want to put it A just for telling NVIDIA to stop overpricing things.
It's more than enough performance than what you need unless you're like, I don't know.
You know what? We'll go B tier here as well because it's still really, really good.
I'm scared everything's going to get in the B tier. But like, it's the pricing.
It could have been better for the price because like AMD thought they were going to be the savior, but then they weren't.
The 7950 XT or whatever? Yeah.
Okay. It's fast. It's fine.
It didn't like really get me going. Maybe B?
I'm okay with putting this in A only if we then put the 1300K there in S tier.
Because I still think that 13th gen is crazy.
B then. B then? Okay.
That's fine. My question is what did the 7000 series really do that the 6000 series didn't eventually?
DDR5. DDR5? Is that pretty much it?
It definitely, it beat Alder Lake.
I think it beat the 5800X3D in many ways.
Maybe not every way.
But then by the time Raptor Lake comes out, Raptor Lake is more compelling by in some ways as well.
So this is definitely not S tier. It didn't like crush everything, but it was good when it, A to B I would say.
It's still good. It's good. I'd stick it in a B.
I want. Okay.
We have to consider the stuff that's coming. We do.
Okay. We'll put it in B for now. Let's put A.
Sure. A lot of the issues in my opinion with the 7950X is it doesn't make sense to upgrade to the new platform.
If you're, unless you have to do a platform upgrade anyways.
If you're already on AM4 and say you're on like a 2600 or a 3000 series CPU, just upgrade to 5000 series.
But if you're going to upgrade your whole computer, this is a great, great option.
It's not the best option, but it's cheaper than the 1300K.
And if you're doing productivity work, it beats the 1300K or matches it.
And with the price drops that they've put across the entire lineup, it ended up being, it's not a bad buy.
I have a 13th gen Intel. So I'm not putting this in S tier because I want my investment to look stronger.
So yeah, we want to get that brand identity up for that value.
Are those bad? Like, I remember they were trying to do 4K gaming or something like that.
The processor was just like killing everything.
Like, I remember Ploof being stuck here for days trying to deal with the processor.
F tier. Oh. Oh my God.
Hello there. It might not even have been the same chip.
No. So I would say, I don't know, like it's still really, really good.
Let's put it above A just to sort it out.
Oh, there you go. Something for you. The Apple Studio?
Is that what that is? Which one is this? I don't know.
Don't know enough. Do you know anything about Apple products?
I think it's like pretty good. I've heard it's good.
I just don't know. A water cooled one. How'd that go?
It went pretty well. Oh wait, but it doesn't, if the fans disconnect, it won't tell you and instead will just throttle itself.
So let's put it in C tier. Oh, C tier. Yeah, 100%.
Okay, so Apple Studio. I have an M2 MacBook Pro and, or sorry, M1 Max.
And I think the M series that they've kind of moved on to here is great.
Studio though? No, that's a C tier at best.
Right? I feel like Apple does best at portable items.
I don't know. It's overpriced.
It's anti-consumer. Like it.
These things are pretty damn expensive.
A pretty boring form factor. Not like a very cool redesign.
It doesn't even look like a cheese grater. I don't know.
What do you think of this? So the Mac Studio is an interesting one to me because it's not something that I would buy now,
but five years down the road, which is when I would buy Apple products five, six years after release.
I think this could be a really interesting unit.
I think the Mac Studio has a lot of potential down the road for what has already been released.
And maybe as a form factor, it's boring.
Maybe there's not a whole lot you can do once you get inside of it.
But if things continue to progress with it and eventually, I don't know,
a hacker space builds around it to some degree. Are you happy with B?
I think I'm happy with B. It's between C and F.
I would give it a C tier because it showed us that the Apple Silicon is great for laptops,
but they haven't figured out desktops. We figured that we learned that.
That's here. It doesn't come with a stand. It doesn't come with a stand and you can't take the cable out.
Realistically, this is a really nice display. It's just really expensive, but those are valid complaints, so I'm okay with this.
We got the studio display. Oh, F tier. F.
Yeah. It is a good display. It was nice, but it was a complete misfire in terms of features.
Again, anti-consumer. I heard the sound of things bending, and it did not come out.
Okay.
It pulled out. I just had to give it a good two-hander.
And I felt the frame flexing while you did that, to be clear.
It's clearly not designed for that to happen.
Terrible support. I believe it had some sort of weird driver issues.
It's a weird, not natural resolution.
It's an unnatural resolution.
You're not finding this in nature, so that's an F tier. No, and it's massively overpriced for what you can get.
This thing was overpriced. That's studio display.
When you bought the studio plus the studio display, that was just so much more expensive
than the all-in-ones that they previously... It was like they split that product up just to charge you more.
It's a good product. Freaking cable.
The power cable is not disconnectable.
I've never seen somebody purchase a studio display with their own money.
I'm going to put them in the seat, but they're nice.
They're nice, and they're good at using it before you lose it.
Yeah. See? I can't see.
Okay, here's why. If you're going to get one, get a refurbished one.
That makes it a little bit more manageable in price. There's a lot now, I think, in the refurbished store.
Oh, yeah. But not only that, but when this thing first came out,
we were watching the keynote, and we were sitting there, and there was four of us gathered around Horst's computer,
and it was right outside of Linus's office back in the day.
We're sitting there, and we were like, which one do we buy?
Oh, yeah. We had to choose simply for the fact that there was Glossy and Matt.
There's three stand options in Glossy and Matt.
Yeah. We bought three.
So we're sitting there, and we're like, okay, you could buy all the choices, or you have to limit yourself.
So we went with, I think it was Glossy on a regular stand.
Glossy regular, Matt with a fancy stand, and then a Glossy base amount.
Why? The annoying thing was they all had different delivery dates.
And that, too, they announced all of these different things,
and it's like, okay, you're only slapping it on a stand or not slapping it on a stand.
But I wanted to just say that they have been happily deployed
around the office to lucky users.
All right. We got the Apple Watch Ultra.
I really like wearables. So I have a fossil HR, like, hybrid watch,
and I've had most of the Apple Watches. The battery life on this thing is nuts,
but it's way bigger than you think. Yeah, do you want it?
It's huge, and it's not comfortable. If you're a diver or whatever, it's a good overall device,
but it's not excellent at any of the things it does individually.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, because they really pushed a lot of the,
like, oh, it's like a life alert thing. Oh, it's like a diving computer.
I was like, but is it better than just the diving computer
or just an active health mode? So if you really do all of the things, this is probably a good option,
but if you do one of them. If you're planning on diving and or getting into a car crash,
this is the one for you. I'd still put B, though, because it is still very cool.
It's still the best smartwatch you can get. So it's just not the best active device you can get.
It's marketed towards being able to do all these extreme activities,
but no one who does those extreme things is going to buy this watch.
They're going to buy the more niche specialty watch for that thing that they do.
Unless you're a total generalist and you're like, I dive and I trail run and I run in the desert and I mountaineer
and this can do it all. And I don't mind having this heavy thing on my wrist while I run for 20 hours,
which seems unlikely. Like, who the hell? This is really just a statement piece for people who have a lot of money.
So I'm putting it on a C, I think. What do you think?
I know nothing about watches, smart or otherwise.
I don't like wearing jewelry in general on my wrists.
All right. Makes me feel weird. I think that's eight here.
Okay. I'm down high. It doesn't look sick.
It's too expensive. It does look cool. Yeah.
If you're willing to spend the money. I want to put it as an F. Really?
Because unlike most watches where, you know,
there's a nice little bezel underneath, like it perfectly fits to your wrist.
That... I don't know. I'm not wearing it.
This is just a... Oh, okay. I was going to say that monstrosity is so big that it plateaus across your wrist.
What? Do you want to put it in eight here? No, I wouldn't put it that high.
It would be no higher than B. No higher than B.
You're doing great Apple. Okay.
There's no other Apple products here. There's some stuff that we could have covered,
but it's not in here. So, I just want to let you know this is by...
Ianeo Air. I don't know a ton about this one.
I feel like a lot of the Ianeos have been really for,
like, easy to forget. You can forget an Ianeo,
because they've had a couple releases this year, haven't they?
Well, they were really compelling product lines, same with their 1x players until the Steam.came out,
and the deck was just so much cheaper. How much does this thing cost?
Yeah. Yeah. I think given its position in the marketplace now,
you've got to drop it down to, like, a C. Yeah, and that's something that I don't feel like it's going to get support long-term.
I think Ianeo, or... Yeah, Ianeo is the actual company name, right?
No, it's just Aya. It's just Aya? Yeah.
I think Aya is going to eventually just quietly demote their support for it
as time goes on, because they tend to release products.
I don't know anything about handheld PCs. I have a Steam Deck, and that's good enough.
I'm Mr. Short Circuits. I've watched a lot of these be filmed or Linus talk about them,
but I don't actually really know anything about them. My understanding is that it's more expensive...
Well, that's an F, then. ...and less... and about similar in terms of power,
and it's Windows.
Which is great in some ways, but doesn't have the level of support,
especially in both the community and from the developers,
and, like, software support. Like, Valve is providing...
Valve provides so much software support,
and there's a massive community around the Steam Deck that Ianeo just hasn't been able to get.
And there's so many Ianeos. Yeah, I don't even know which one this is.
I know it's an Aya, but a... And honestly, if I don't know what it is, it kind of scares me,
so I'm going to have to put it in after.
The air. The air. See, we didn't even know that, so...
Aftershare. I did the video for these. It's good, but it's not using the 6800U.
It's using the, like, 5600U or the 4800 even.
I can't remember it, but it's not as good as...
Do you think C or B tier?
For the... I'm torn.
I would like to put it in, like, a C+, so C tier, then, I guess.
How much more is it than the Steam Deck? It's more expensive.
Yeah, C tier. C. Okay.
So this one is still a handheld gaming machine, and it's great for the feature set,
but the price is still too high because... How much is it?
It's, like, probably another $1,000 over the Steam Deck,
depending on your config. A thousand dollars over?
Yeah, so, like, a Steam Deck starts, like, it's down there. It starts at, like, I think 499 American or 399,
and then it goes 499 and then, like, 599. Like, it's no more than, like, $700 American for the Steam Deck.
Whereas these things from I and Neo can be, like, upwards to, like, $1,700 USD.
But they do have full-size M2, which doesn't really matter,
because people like Sabrent are making M.2 in the 2230s.
You're going C because of the price. The Xenon Flex?
You did the video on that.
I think it's stupid.
It's a cool monitor with a party trick, but the party trick costs, like, $300.
I'm going to put B, because it's still a really nice display.
Sure. And it's only $300 more than, like, a similar monitor,
but it's still, like, $300 for that one ability to curve.
It's so stupid. Well, I'm going to have to, we have to do C then, because I think this is very cool.
Have you used it? Yes, I have. So I was in the B-roll shots for the video,
and we did a ShortCircuit on it before it released. I think it's rad.
I would actually use this. What about it seems rad?
I don't know. You can bend it with your hands.
That's cool. That's the only thing?
It also looks good. The IO in the front is cool.
It has terrible, it's too big for the resolution it's at.
If it was a 4K display, I would entirely change my opinion.
Yeah, but can you flex other monitors? I don't need to flex another monitor.
Sorry, can you answer the question? Can you flex other monitors? No.
Well, I can, but they'll break. No, it's not C-tier.
It's a bad purchase. It's way too expensive. It has terrible pixel density.
B-tier. No. Listen, if you really want to, we need a D-tier, Arthur.
Now picture this, okay? It's an OLED monitor.
It's 45 inches across, and it can go flat or curved.
F. F. No, that's so cool.
No, it looks ugly. But it's actual bends. This is not what I want for monitors.
If this is an A, then the studio displays an S.
Oh, that's the flex. Oh, this is any on flex?
I think this is pretty cool. It's a cool form factor.
It's innovative that you can move it. It's a cool entry from Corsair who doesn't have a lot in the monitor space.
I'm really glad it exists. I'm pretty sure it's high refresh rate, too.
It's a pretty good product. I know so little about this that I don't feel right commenting on it.
The only thing that I really know about it is that whole flex mode,
because everybody does this motion when they're talking about it.
Honestly, it's not a feature that excites me. I feel like I said it before.
No, no. It's going to be something where you're like, hey, want to see what my monitor can do?
Check this out. Oh, and then you're never going to move it when somebody's not watching.
It's a gimmick. It's a total gimmick.
Well, we'll see. I'm giving it A to B.
Okay, S22 Ultra. It brought back the S pen.
No. No. I mean, I'll give you an A maybe if you really want to be like that.
It's still Samsung phones, no matter what, are still too damn wide.
Go the Sony route and go tall and thin.
No, just make small phones. Or just make small phones.
Even the S22, I'm holding it thinking of trying to upgrade for my S10,
and I'm just like, I don't want to go wider than this thing,
but I have to, and I hate that. I forgot it came out, F tier.
I agree. I don't know anything about it. Why'd you kill the notes?
The notes were my favorite Samsung phones for a while. I appreciate that they brought back the pencil as a pack-in.
It is the fact that nobody has talked about this phone since it's come out,
says something about how where Samsung is right now.
They're not really pushing anything in an interesting way. I don't have one, so I don't know.
Yeah, no clue. Don't know enough. S22 Ultra, I know nothing about this phone.
I know nothing about it either down there. Yeah.
Galaxy Watch 5. F tier. Why?
Why? I don't know anything. Every wearable that's not an Apple Watch is garbage.
Isn't as good? Yeah, okay. They're pretty damn good.
I focused more on the Pixel Watch this year, and I would say this is probably just like, this is a standard,
it's a very good choice,
but I don't think it has a lot of wow factor this year,
but I don't know a lot about it. And this is just for both, right?
It can't be higher than an Apple Watch Ultra,
because it has... It's got Wear OS.
So F? Does that has Wear OS? Yeah, you can put it in C.
Or remove them both up. What?
This is an interesting... Turn of events.
Because like, it's great. There's actually a decent watch that can do Wear OS.
Samsung, no more of your software. I hate it.
Okay, so we put the 7900XT up in B tier.
So does that mean that the 3900K is A tier? I guess so.
What would bring it to S tier?
Better price, I think. Fair. Yeah, that's fair.
I don't know. It's still expensive. It's not as expensive as this, but it's still expensive.
It's A tier though, in my opinion. It's really solid.
Overclock's really well. It's very fun. Memory controllers suck though.
I think that's what makes it not S tier for me. Yeah, that's fair.
Now we got Intel My Investment. 3900K.
I think it's going to go up in the A tier as well, but I'd be put it higher in the A tier than Ryzen.
Yeah, it goes actually here. Yeah, because it's a better CPU, but it's still,
it's still part of this whole computer price creep that we've been in.
Yeah, we can't be too nice to Intel. Like, legally, we do have to be a little mean to Intel.
Yeah. Seeing the i3 and i5s being able to,
in a much lower power, actually outperform Xeons of just a few years ago
is really neat. And then we've got the i9, which is not bad by any stretch,
but it's still like that higher TDP.
And I don't know, it hasn't really grown on me yet.
I think the most fair thing to do is put it on the same tier as the 7950X.
It's all I need a watch to do.
Aren't those good? Wasn't that a surprise that they're efficient in new Intel chips?
Oh, yeah, they're efficient. They're actually cool.
They're not boiling over. Wait a minute.
How did the AMD processor get to A tier?
I don't know. I thought it was based on price because it is still a little cheaper.
But it's not very efficient. No, they're still. And when you try to do AK gaming, it's a nightmare.
Okay, so we will go like this.
Yeah, yeah. Switcheroo. Oh, the A770.
Half tier. You can't buy them.
They're garbage. You can't buy them? No, they don't exist.
Oh, my God. They're always sold out and you can't run Halo on it.
Yeah, that's pretty rough.
F, wow. I mean, what do you think?
I think it's a pretty competitively priced product.
It's new. There's growing pains, but I'd put it in C.
It's about as good. It's, listen, the launch of it went about as good as I could have ever hoped.
Did you watch our live stream? Yeah, I know it was garbage.
It was terrible. Like it went so much better and things have already improved massively.
It's still not perfect, but Intel's still pretty young.
Oh, this is rough. This might be F tier. It's F or C.
A770. They really bungled the launch.
The whole future of the enterprise is cast in doubt.
We don't know if there's going to be Celestial or if they're going to stop with Battle Mage.
They did that big update with the DirectX9 stuff, so like it is working better now,
but it's still not anything you can recommend to a mainstream gamer.
This is like you better be ready to tinker. It's not really anything you can recommend.
Yeah. So you don't know enough.
That's fair. Isn't it bad?
It's not bad. It's great for what it is.
What about for the price? It's like $300 bucks US.
It's so cheap compared to these thousand dollar cards that it's like...
It gets people in the door. Picture this.
You're like a mom and you're trying to buy something for your kid for like Christmas.
So you get them in Intel Arc. You could at least get them in Intel Arc.
In years of pain trying to get the games to work.
I didn't say you had to like the kid.
Oh. What's this? An iPhone 14 Pro?
Pretty iterative.
Let's have a look. Yup.
I am an island boy. I think it's a B tier.
There's so much time talking about the dynamic island in the presentation and there's no good features for it.
And some of the stuff is really stupid. Like the fact that...
It has a 14 Pro. Yeah. I've been using it lately.
It's like, oh cool. It's showing like it plays stuff, right?
When you tap it, it opens the app. But if I long press it, then it's the widget.
That's what I want it to do all the time. I want it to be quick tap, then the widget.
If I want to open the app, I'll just open the goddamn app.
Either way, I think it's a good phone. It's a 13 and I actually don't think it's much better.
I actually might agree with you. The island's cool, but I can see it being a C.
Ooh. Here's your iPhone. That's a 14 Pro.
Yeah. It's got the dynamic island. S tier just for the island.
No, no. I wouldn't put an S tier. Just for the island.
Probably A though. A or B. Because like, I like the feature of the dynamic island.
I just don't know why it had to be reserved for a pro. Why couldn't they just do that from the start?
Why is that not across the internet? You're telling me. It's always, it's pretty depressing.
I've heard it's good. I did the launch video on this. I think we can put it in B tier because they didn't screw anything up, but they also improved
it in ways that just make it better for you. Okay.
Sure. I think we can put it in B. All right.
Logitech G Cloud. I don't really know enough about it.
It's kind of different from the other handhelds being a streaming device.
I don't know anything about it other than the fact that I don't think it makes sense for
the price. Logitech G Cloud.
Surprise some people. I'm going to say that's a C too.
And then is this the Logitech G Cloud? Yeah.
Okay. Linus didn't end up hating this as much as he thought he would, but that's all I know.
C tier maybe. Okay. I think it's still too expensive, but I kind of want basically this exact thing just for
like a hundred dollars less. I want it in F tier quite simply because I am angry about like gaming, streaming, server
services, and that whole idea. I think it's absurd. I am too, but at the same time I pay for Game Pass Ultimate, so I already have access
to those games. Fine. Great.
The thing I hate about this is that you have to stream all of the time.
You can't look at it. What's the point? Like, there's this sort of weird thing with like the way our internet or like our technology
is developed, or it like requires the internet to do things that are like so simple and fundamental.
And gaming streaming is like the most egregious example of that where they've gone just too
far thinking like, yeah, everyone's got an internet connection enough to stream a, you
know, a video stream constantly. This is an efficient use of resources, like it's just so, but like, it's like you have
this portable device, right, that you can only stream games on.
So it's tethered to the internet, so it immediately reduces the portability of it.
Quest Pro. What's the Quest Pro? I don't know enough about VR.
It's the new, but this is the expensive one, right? They out the price by like $1,000 or something.
I want to put it in F tier just because of the price hike. I was going to say F tier just because Mark Zuckerberg.
Yeah. That's it. MetaQuest Pro.
Isn't that an F? Isn't it like, has the worst software in the world?
No, the software gives avatars legs now. So you can go to your work meeting with legs.
Like it's just F, F, F.
F for all things meta except for whenever the Quest 3 comes out.
F, F. It's not a mass market product.
I haven't used it myself. You might understand it's pretty impressive.
And usually people hating are kind of like, they're hating on the whole concept of Metaverse.
I would, I think I call this a B. I think it's a good product on its own.
I can't wear VR glasses for whatever reason, like between.
Don't have a forehead. Well, I mean, I've got, I've got some forehead happening, but it's like, I can never get
it right so that I can wear it without my glasses on and then just pushes my glasses
against my face. So it's never really been a thing for me. But yeah, if I was going to docket points for anything, it would be the whole concept
of Meta and the internal Facebook idea of projects being MMH for Make Mark Happy.
I don't want to defend Facebook. This thing is pretty darn cool though.
I love, love, love VR. I've had almost every VR headset.
This looks great. Like when you put it on, it feels great.
The operation's great. It'll be like, hey, you need to adjust your headset because we can just tell like you're
not getting the sharpest like picture because it uses the inner camera.
So like see the IPDs you should have. Very cool.
Compared to our battery life, $1,500.
The battery life is nuts.
For me, I want to just give a shout out to Meta for using the pro moniker in a actually
correct way. It's a, they specifically targeted professionals.
It's actually a pro device.
And the price reflects that because it's supposed to be bought by your business who wants you
to, I don't know, have a $1,500 desk.
Because like when you compare the price to like the Valve index, that was like $1,200,
wasn't it? Yeah. So like $300 more.
And this does a lot more than that headset. Except for stay on. Yeah.
Well, I mean, just. It's the battery. Oh no, the index is not wired.
No, it's wired. So really, this is. Can you, and this one can just be plugged in the whole time?
I think it's a CRB. I think it took a lot of flak when it came out.
I'm going to put it in B because like the sound quality, the mic quality, if you've
actually used it and like VR, it is very good.
It's just. It's really comfortable. It is.
Oh, the nothing phone. Bell really liked it. I think.
I don't know anything about it. I know nothing about it. I bought the earbuds and I have two of them, both of them I've had to repair with tape
and CA glue. So I think we can just put an F tier based on my experience with the brand.
How long have you had those headphones? Six months.
Oh, that's bad. You should not have to put them in that quickly. Yeah.
And they price-hiked them too. Oh my God. Okay.
I haven't gotten to use the nothing phone, not because I haven't wanted to. I just didn't win that at the company Christmas party.
I really wanted to. It seems like it does some interesting stuff.
I really just can't really comment. I think I want to put it down here.
Yeah. Otherwise, I'd probably be putting it in a CRB because it's at least compelling enough
to make me want to buy it like now. It's such a height-beasted device that I want to hate it more, but it's...
I've used it. Yeah. So I took it for like a week and used it because I really liked it.
I was going to buy it. I'm all about just the look of the phone. The RGB, the lighting I should say, not RGB, looks great.
Using the phone is not great. It's like too simple. I'm an iPhone person, so maybe it's just part of it because of Android, but I found stuff
like hitched a little bit because it's only a mid-range CPU.
And like because there's just so much lacking in the phone, there's sometimes where you
just go to do something that just doesn't really happen. It's also way bigger than you think.
It's like a plus-size phone, which I'm not a huge fan of.
And I don't know. It looks really cool, though, and people would ask me about it all the time.
So I'm really excited for their second one, but this one's kind of like okay.
Yeah. I think I'm really looking forward to a nothing flagship type device.
Yeah. Because I'm going to give it a B because it looks great. Yeah.
We're going to give it a S. Sure. That's a...
Oh, nothing phone. That's the nothing phone. B.
Almost A. It's right in there. If there was an A minus...
It's really cool. It's like the designer's phone. It is.
It's like I actually care about what I... You know what? A because of how...
Because it's the designer's phone. It's also an A because it's like it's finally something different than just a boring glass
bag. I want notification LEDs back, and this is the closest we're getting.
RIP Blackbird. The 4090.
It is.
To me, it's a C at best. A C at best.
I think between the QC issues with starting fires and the size and the insane power usage,
it could be the most powerful graphics card on the market, and it is, and that doesn't
make up for those things. The only time I can see anybody really even needing this right now...
Okay, needing. Getting it. Go ahead.
Is if they're doing rendering, because right now it is the best rendering graphics card.
Even the Quadros can't touch it, which kind of makes you wonder why are we even making
Quadros, but... I feel like we should put it as a B.
All right. It's like, in some ways it's an S, in some ways it's like a D.
It's the most expensive thing, but it's also kind of the best thing, and I guess we've included
prices in our judgments. But...
Is it better than an XTX7900XS? Like by numerically, yes, unless you're playing Call of Duty.
It's the only, like, I put in the S tier.
S tier. It's like the... Wow.
S tier. Wow. It's zero compromises, and it doesn't compromise on price.
And it can rage race.
I don't know, it's a crazy piece of engineering with a ridiculous price, but one of the things
that I've been so annoyed about hearing is people being like, how dare NVIDIA not let
me buy their stuff or, like, make something that's too expensive for me.
It's like no one's getting mad at Lamborghini. Why are you calling me out like this, man, you know?
Like, Lamborghini sold a $100,000 vehicle.
I can't buy that. What is a driver supposed to do?
It's like, don't buy it. Common section, just know I don't have the same feelings when you're putting angry comments.
It's just Adam. It's just Adam making fun of people. Just buy it.
Just buy the graphics card you can afford. S tier just for the price. I hate NVIDIA.
And I hate NVIDIA. I hate them so much. They suck to work with.
That's a tough one. It's really fast. It's only, okay, everyone hates the price, but the $30.90 was only $100 less at MSRP two
years ago. So that's about inflation. I also don't hate how expensive it is.
It's the Halo flagship product. Yeah, I'm okay with Halo cards being stupid.
But I really hate that the $40.80 isn't almost as fast for $800.
That's the problem. A tier? A tier?
Yeah. Yeah. If it was like $200 cheaper, I'd be tempted to put an S tier.
If the $40.80 was better, it would be S tier.
Well speaking of can't afford this, Samsung Odyssey Arc. What a miserable fail.
What? This thing is cool. No, it's not.
It isn't a picture-in-picture with the HDMI-Z plug-in, though. It's terrible with everything it's supposed to do.
It fails at being a good TV. It fails at being a good monitor because it doesn't like, it like fails at being picture-in-picture
because you can't actually have, it doesn't actually do proper dual displays.
My Samsung Odyssey G9 does that properly, where it acts as like two separate monitors.
So we're saying it's worse than the Flex. Yeah.
Wow. I don't know a lot about it, but it just kind of seems big and gimmicky.
It's huge. I don't think they're going to sell that many of them. It's kind of oppressive, I guess.
It has smart monitor features too, didn't it?
I think so.
But I can't really remember. We're going to drop it down here just because it's like, it's just kind of irrelevant.
It's kind of like the watch ultra. It's like, it's cool, but people probably shouldn't buy it.
That one's cool, but it's just too cumbersome for me. Maybe beef just because it's funny.
I'm sorry. Otherwise it's an F.
It's just egregious. Actually, maybe C then. Because of just its egregiousness.
It's so stupid, but it's funny. It's overpriced. It's oversized.
It's over-curved, but it's damn hilarious, especially that one frame where Linus is like...
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I honestly want to, okay.
If it could do picture-in-picture or picture-by-picture on the one connect box that it has with the
four HDMI 2.1 inputs, I would say this is S tier, but it can't.
The only way it does the alternate pictures in the mode is with using the different apps.
So you can't plug in three computers to it or whatever. Yeah, but who uses that, realistically?
This is the monitor to use it on. It's enormous.
The product photos of it just being over someone, it's amazing.
I think that might take it to S tier. I'm okay with that.
This thing was unique and it's very cool, so I'm okay with putting it up there with
the Alienware. That's the sort of thing where in 10 years people will make a video being like, oh my
god, I got the all the CR. Totally, totally.
Pixel 7 Pro. Well, the Pixel 7 did really good in Marquez's test.
So it got... With the camera? Well, no camera, yes, but they actually got what, phone of the year, MVP of the year for
phone test? What? Nice.
So, but that's not the pro. The pro adds money. It's a fun story.
When I was writing about the Apple, sorry, the iPhone 14 Plus, it costs the same as the
Pixel 7 Pro, so that was the camera I compared it again.
I put it B tier because I want them to bring back actual physical fingerprint readers
on the pixels. I hate underscreen fingerprint readers.
I actually just had a conversation with David about this and apparently the 6a has the
better camera. Oh, yeah. Marquez did a video and like everyone liked the 6a's camera more.
Not the selfie camera, but...
I feel like we should put it in B just beside the iPhone.
That's fair. Yeah. Hey.
Yeah, man. Don't they have like backlash shattering issues that just came out?
Yeah, that happened this morning. And there's like buggy stuff with the software on every Google phone.
It's always Android and Google though, so I guess how much do we excuse that?
And if you want to move the iPhone up to BL, I think that's fair.
Okay. Are we going to move to Samsung? No.
Yeah. I think Samsung maybe should move up. Let's see.
I legitimately know nothing about the Pixel phones. I know quite a bit about it.
It's kind of iterative. I think it has the same camera sensors last year.
It might have a slightly better tensor chip than last year, so it's like better at talking
to it and transcribing in real time and stuff. I think I'd call it a B.
Pixel watch? G-Cloud is what I don't know enough.
C or F? It's a C. The battery life, the cracking.
Yeah. It's just... But it's redeemed by being the second-best experience for a smart device that isn't
an iPhone. The bezels? Because I was going to say it looks good, but...
It's the second-best Wear OS experience behind the Samsung.
And then it's like... But if we're doing just smart watch tier lists, it's like every iPhone, every Apple watch,
and then Android. F tier. If it's not Apple.
Good first entry, old SoC, resulting in not great battery life.
I'm going to call that a B.
I don't know. I've never tried it. I'm going, don't know.
It's a good size. I'd have to put it with the other one. Yeah.
It doesn't have like some things that you can't do on it because it's limited.
Some things you can't do on it. It's only limited to the one size. The one size is kind of small for like the average male, honestly.
There needs to be a pro version. Oh, the flip. I...
Okay. I want to put this in like A or B at least because I really love flip phones still, even
though it's like dumb. Yeah. It's cool.
I mean, it's the sort of thing where like I would never buy one because it's too expensive.
Yes. If I was given one, I would absolutely love it.
I think A tier is good. Yeah. I'm down with A tier.
Yeah. Then what's this guy, the fold? B tier maybe.
Sure. It folds the wrong way. It folds.
Yeah. It's not like the flip. Yeah.
I hope that they release something with a bigger cover screen. I think that this is like, this was kind of a quiet year for foldables, at least from
Samsung. The Z Flip 3 and the Flip 3 were both like really big improvements.
Yeah. I mean, I think it and the Z Fold 4 were both kind of iterative and I don't think they
changed much. So I'm kind of tempted to just like put them there. This is Austin Evans' favorite phone of life.
Wow. Congratulations, Austin. Yeah.
So if you hate Austin Evans, you will hate this. What's your choice?
No. Just kidding.
I think flip phones are cool. I think flip's are better than fold. That's probably...
Oh, really? I think flip's are better than fold.
I don't know.
I feel like it depends on who you are, because the next one is the fold, so we're gonna have
to discuss that anyway, but like the idea of the fold, the fold is more dynamic and
more flexible. You have two devices and two levels of capability, whereas with the flip, it's more about compact
and portability and a little bit of like a throwback to the old flip phones of your.
Which were great. They were great, yeah.
But like if you want to think about the future versus the past, I feel like the fold represents
the future, whereas the flip is more... So what?
That would be considered... I like getting concerned that that might be the S tier, one of our choices.
I don't think it is. The reason why is because the Xiaomi one is way better, because it's actually as thin
as a regular phone. Okay, fine. Put it in.
Okay. And then the Steam Deck. That's gotta be up here.
So I feel like the Steam Deck's not quite an S, and I want to make an argument for this.
Let's hear it. Using the hardware that they did to keep costs low, the Nintendo model of making hardware
essentially is great.
I don't hate that, but it's kind of lacking in staying power.
The hardware on it is weak enough where in a year's time, games that are coming out won't
be running as good. In two years time... But the resolution's so low.
You don't think it'll be able to run for a few years at least?
It might have a couple of years. It depends on how long we're waiting for the next one to come out.
Okay, here's an argument for being S tier though.
Is it so disruptive? This is definitely the biggest, like, C changer in this whole group, I would say.
Like, it's kind of just negating other products like the Ionio.
It's kind of changing everything. It's even impacting how games are designed, like it's got that whole like Linux aspect
to it. Yep. I do like it for that.
I do like that it's finally moving Linux gaming forward at such a fast rate.
Not that it wasn't moving forward before, but just...
It's night and day. Yeah. I feel like...
I also just feel like we gotta put something up there. Yeah.
And if it's gonna be between that and the Alienware, I guess it's gonna be the Steam Deck.
And now the Steam Deck. S tier. 100%.
I have one. I love it. It is a fantastic device.
It made me start playing games again. Yeah. I was like, oh, gaming, I'm getting a little burnt out, but once you get this and like
the portability, I was playing Fallout 4 on like really high settings on the plane with
mods and I was with a controller attached to it and I was like, this is awesome.
Like an actual console experience wherever I go. It's an absolutely like paradigm shift and I think how people are looking at gaming.
It's something that's come up in so many discussions. I listen to a lot of like gaming podcasts and stuff like that.
And there's this whole category of people being like, it's a great Steam Deck game.
And it's people taking a new look at portable gaming, which is a section that kind of was
killed by the phone because your phone became as powerful as your like DS and stuff like
that and then it didn't really matter anymore. But now it's changing it and it's giving us this access to this wealth is absolute insane
amount of games. I think it's really right. And I think it's at the very least A tier.
I don't think it's S just because like, I don't know, man, the battery life.
I don't know. I might be willing to give it S tier because think about how much optimization there has
been for Linux gaming because of this. That's actually true.
It has really pioneered a lot in the Linux space as well as the handheld space.
Like a lot of people are really trying to compete with the Steam Deck now.
So just for the competition's sake, I yeah, okay, I'm down because the Steam Deck probably
is S tier. I would say is the S tier one because yes, it's huge.
But what are you getting with it? You're getting so much value in it for its price.
You know, you're either paying for a Switch OLED or paying for this.
Yeah. Sure. It doesn't come with the dock.
Like the switch does it. Can I play beam ng on that? I will play, but like it's like 30 to 60 on the medium, but you could play it.
You'll be on the page. Tell me if you can play beam ng.
Just for fun.
Yeah.