I
My chat yet
Gosh darn it are we live right now, mm-hmm. I think so
What's up y'all we're back, baby. Wait, does that mean you have your stuffed in?
Yeah, oh He said that I must have been rather spaced out I flew back today
Well, I should say I took an airplane back today
Because my policy of not shaking hands at CES has kept me from getting the flu
Good job, give me my fucking ding now. Good job. Thank you
My goodness
Actually love the ding now I'm like conditioned to enjoy it because it comes at the same time as I get my
Satisfaction of making a terrible joke. So now it's like a it's like a Pavlov dog condition response now
It's like a reverse thing. So instead of feeling good from the ding
It's like I feel good and then I need the ding and then I feel good again
It's like the Pavlov the Pavlov response is saying the bad joke and then the ding is the reward. Yeah, perfect
Luke a tired boy my plane landed it like midnight. Oh
We're we all like the same bit plane
maybe Was your plane delayed five hours. Oh
No, I just landed it midnight. So he does not have finger things. What are you talking about?
It does if you try hard enough. Yeah, I suppose anything has finger things if you try hard enough. Yep
Oh
Okay, what?
Yeah, oh that makes sense I
Understand now
So is she can be watching that or like how does that work?
Okay. Oh, so we should do that sooner or like someone gonna like message me or you or
Okay, can the audience hear you right now, okay that
In general that's very professional and very good
But on when show especially like pre-show with the float playing people you could you should probably like they're gonna hear my side of the
Conversation so you might as well just Send it. Okay. Fine fine fine fine. I
Mean if it's something actually confidential, that's fine And if you and if it's hard for you to just like like have the situational awareness to be like, okay
This word I'm about to say is like confidential or like whatever then that's totally fine, too
Okay, do do your best there clap says turn your mic on you coward fine fine you people fine already
Basically when you announce them, they'll go live then
because of the thing
Cool
That sucks because I actually kind of wanted to
Do the thing so I was I was hoping it was up now so I could snipe
Luke still doesn't understand that he can have stuff I don't think I can't
I'm almost done
Who's gonna tell you know it's quite a few people I think you'd be surprised. Yeah
We'll snip Sally hell yeah
Okay, who's off I whose I far one was flight good
Has anyone in the history of the world been on a good flight?
It's always a relative question How was your flight everybody says?
Everybody knows the answer The best case scenario is I was packed like a sardine in a big tube in the sky
Yeah, but isn't like every question like that relative I guess
No, I mean, how are you doing? Okay, other than that don't actually want to know how you're doing
Okay, how are you doing has a very wide range?
How was your flight? It's it's bad to worse, you know
There's no such thing as a good flight
No, I had a good flight back It was delayed five hours. Yeah, but the flight itself was good not the waiting
But that's that I mean, that's it's part and parcel. Oh, that's a really delay is part
Guys, I know you love siding with me Come on, we'll flight back. Let him know was that let him know the people that had connections
Will it build Vilda says delay is part of the flight. I dope Linus is right
Get a private play. Oh my god Oh
I don't even talk to you people my whole row ended up being empty I mean that's why I don't whole row to myself. Okay, that's so the actual flight portion was good
Mr. Dave, I am live on the wancho. What can I do for you?
Thanks Oh
Thanks, Dan
Okay, don't care about that
Yeah, don't care about that don't care about that. Okay good
Oh man
What a week Don't talk about it though. We got to save it save it for the show. Okay. What can we talk about for the floaters?
What is not content this week?
Sammy bought a plastic fake
Uh, what do you even call it slot machine?
That was 60 us dollars why which right now is
84 canadian dollars. Yeah, I know
Why we were walking around and we were discussing
Like okay, we started we started one of the mornings off we got breakfast together
And we got breakfast at this bagel shop and the bagel shop had this thing called the baller bagel
And the baller bagel was I think it was like 130
us dollars or something like that because it had like caviar on it or something
And he was like I'd only have to pay like a little bit more than my premium to get that. I'm like that's one that's one bagel
That's a singular bagel. I mean at least it was a special bagel I paid
Like 22 canadian dollars for like a bowl of oatmeal in the morning
And that was just Vegas is actually ridiculous. That was just a bowl of oatmeal with some like berries in it. Yeah
Uh, and then we kept going on throughout the day while we're walking around trying to do stuff
And we kept coming back to this baller bagel thing and then at a separate point in time
He mentioned that he saw someone on like facebook marketplace or something selling one of those rabbit
uh, ai assistant things For like 200 bucks and he was like I wanted to get it because it looks cool
And then he ended up actually buying
The fake plastic slot machine
I think I think sammy needs like a an intervention
We'll get Elijah to help him. Okay
The compounding effect of that is so bad. What even happens at that point in time
A hole in the space time continued. Yeah, I think so. Yeah
CEO of mastercard gets another yacht
I don't know. This is this is one of those things like for me
The fun of having money is that I could afford it and I don't
yeah It's like that was I I don't want to say it
I didn't want to say it on the main show last week because I feel like a lot of the normie audience is going to get the wrong idea
but like that was honestly The most fun part of like going to tiffani and harry winston last last week. Was that buy any of this stuff?
I literally could And I literally won't
Because you can take your attitude and you can stuff it. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, like yeah Yeah
But I don't sit on money charcoal like I spend it just spend it on the business
or yeah, definitely like spend it on um
Like, you know badminton center something people can use like it's not that I don't or your house or whatever or the community
It's not that I don't spend money. It's just that like I'm not going to spend it on that because that's stupid
I don't know dude when I see people with just like a really expensive designer, whatever
All I see is that you put too many points and money and not enough in IQ. I'm sorry. That's all I can see
I'm like, yeah, I got a gold controller, but let me tell you something about that gold controller
That has appreciated in value since I bought it
Is the name brand stuff doesn't is the raw gold now worth more than it costs to make it?
Um that I'm not sure it has gone. It's gold's been on a tear. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know
I it's just like there's a there's like machining costs and stuff and making the controller
Yeah, but we didn't pay them So we did it as a quid pro quo. So the place did a lot of well not all exposure or whatever through it
Yeah, but they didn't do like we paid some but we didn't pay all got it
And they also made some exceptions for us like under normal circumstances
Um like the sprue, do you know what the sprue is? I don't think so
So when you do a mold there's like a thing of wax that comes off while I'll finish explaining it for them
So that that's the the channel that the gold goes down to fill the mold
Like the like the air hole like the inlet and actually the air hole is separate
It doesn't matter the point is there's a there's a sprue and so normally like just cutting off the sprue is like just like part of
You know like there they just take it and I was like, okay, okay
No because like On that the number of pieces
And how big the pieces were and how thick the sprues had to be in order to get it was like
thousands of dollars worth of gold and sprue and I was like
Actually, no I will be keeping any of the leftover bits or you will be crediting them and they were like, okay
Because it was like under normal circumstances, it should be a little bit on like a ring or something like right?
It's like a tiny bit. Um But I actually know
So yeah, like I don't I don't mind. It's not that I yeah, it's not that I don't like buy expensive things
It's just like when I do it's like
I I hope for it to be something that appreciates or has a purpose
I'd say my car is an exception. My car was like a very much a treat yourself
Like I know that this is I've been sitting here. I'm nominally stupid when to point out your car. Oh, yeah, the car is ridiculous
it's like But it's a you know, it's a it's a highly regarded model. I will say I'm
Maybe even a little bit surprised at how
I don't know if enthusiastic is the right term, but how positively you still seem to
Feel about it. I love it. You still get very clear and obvious enjoyment out of it. Oh, yeah
Like I don't think I would Just to be completely honest on trade for a month
I'm down on mine
I don't think so. I think I'd be too scared of hitting something
No, that's fine. It's just a car
Like I mean, that's the thing, right? Like I wouldn't I wouldn't buy a car like that if I had to stress about what's gonna happen
Yeah, like a lot of people will finance something like that. Like that's their whole like
That's their whole life. That's sketch. That's like that's scary. You know
Yeah, that's scary But like
Yeah, no man like it's uh No, I love it. I'm pretty I'm pretty sure and I'm like, I'm not trying to judge you when I say this to be very clear
I'm just looking at like my personality. I and I don't think I would ever do that just even if I had your money because I don't think I would
Be enjoying it at that level still
I'm sure I would enjoy it for like a while. Why do you want to do this? I just don't mind. It just doesn't matter. I don't mind
Chat's telling me to do it. Yeah chat's telling you to do it because they know you should do it
I can't even plug it in at home Well, that's inconvenient, but you can plug it in at work
Like you're in office five days a week four or five days a week anyway these days. So like just plug it in
It's fine Maybe yeah, see people people people like you should just do it. I don't even need your car. I'll just find something else to try
I have to do something with
Yeah, I'll take leave it my parents or you know why he doesn't want to do it because then you'd have to clean his car
That's why he doesn't want to do it
He'd have to empty his fucking car
empty out the trunk this man is so predictable
Like you're hopelessly predictable chat would have never known
I know I know
I'm in your head
Line is you should take my yeah, you should take my coffee, you know never rock paper scissors me
Oh, no, that would probably be an issue. I'm living in their rent for you
But that that almost like I will do to you what I did to Ludwig
That was really good. Um Oh, man, I think that's even like part of the point though
Like if it's If it's of questionable worth to like clean my car to borrow it for a month
Like yeah, I don't think I would enjoy it at the same level. I don't know man
People change right like you saw what my car was like when you met me
Yeah, I was a like the floor of my car as a garbage can guy
Uh to a certain point it was required. We didn't have the newspapers. Yeah, not even the floor. Yeah
Yeah, the seats too. Yeah, wait Did you were you there for the bottom of my car is has water seeping up through an era? Okay. Yeah, okay
So then you know what's up. Yeah Like that I used to like contribute newspapers to the floor like that was that was me that that was me
And like you see mine now. It's like always spotless. Yep
Like I'm I'm like a hard and fast like I'm that dad that's like when you leave the car
You take every crumb that you brought into it out Like I let the kids eat in the car because like whatever life life happens and I am
That I am like chronically late for everything
So it's usually not their fault that they have to like, you know, cram a muffin in their gullet in the back of the car or whatever
Um, but like I I expect them to like take it out for like do you have a do you have a beater car too? No
Like that that's another thing too. Like I'm not a proper car guy. I'm not like, uh, I'm not like
Oh, yeah, like yeah, that is my daily driver car. I'm gonna put like
150,000 kilometers on it or whatever and run it into the ground like it. Yeah
Like that's Porsche cares like it bothers people so much
But that's the no one cares about this car. This car got no long term like appreciation. No collector status nothing
It's like whatever is that a thing with electric cars like Danny. Yeah, as far as I can tell. Yeah, no no one cares
Yeah, but like that that's the thing for me is like I I I don't think you should buy anything
That you can't afford to just treat like something you own. Yep
But like it's only because of people who who stretch their means that
Stuff like this can even like make it into production. I I suspect I'm sure
Even the first Tesla roasters aren't really worth anything. Yeah
Yeah, the one the specific serial numbers that belonged to like
specific Like tech CEOs and stuff like that are are apparently worth something but other than that. No, they're not really worth anything
Surely if you have like elons or something. Yeah, and I don't know man. Like I I don't really man. I don't really get the whole
I don't really get the whole car thing. Like I was um
Like you know that I was sort of toying around with the idea of a Navarra at some point, right?
So this is like a two million euro car
And so by the time I got it over here into Canada where you're gonna pay
I forget how much the luxury tax is because the actual amount of it
Um, like like the percentage of it was less important to me than just the fact that I'm paying it at all like just
Oh man like brutal and to be clear. I I support taxing the rich
um And I think the luxury tax on vehicles and yachts and stuff is absolutely a spectacular way to do it
I'm for sure. I am supportive of the luxury tax, but
That doesn't mean that I want to pay it. It means that I'm just gonna just not buy that then very likely, which is great
Um, anyway, the point is uh, the point is I was like looking at it and one of the things
Whoa No, no, no, that's a feature No, I know I was just yeah
One of the things that I actually did more recently because they just released the Navarra R
And so I was like I was looking at it. It pulls from a hundred to 200 kilometers an hour
At the same rate That the Taycan does zero to a hundred. Yeah, yeah
Like this thing is freaking wild. It's insane. Are you pulling it up? Yeah
Yeah, I'll pull up your screen. So um
So I was looking at it and one of the things that I did
was I was just like I went on I went on quora because if you ask a question
Someone at some point has asked and answered it on quora and I was I was looking at like, okay, like what are the
What are the challenges of daily driving a hyper car?
Like something like this And what I ultimately came to from just sort of reading about
Reading people's conversations about it is that it's just
Actually stupid Like you've got on the one hand you've got the guys that are like, yeah, I never I never leave it with the valet
And then on the other hand you've got the guys that are like, yeah, I always leave it with the valet
I never park it and I'm kind of sitting here going
I don't remember the last time I went anywhere that had a valet. Yeah
Like I so okay So this is so none of this is a concern to me and then the other thing is like, where do I even go?
Okay, it's a two-seater So I can't go anywhere with my family unless I have just one of them
I don't realistically think I would want to drive it to work even if I could
And I think that immediately kills it in my opinion the optics are the optics of this thing are terrible
Oh, yeah, right and so I'm looking at it going. Okay, so I can't go anywhere with my family and I can't go to work
Where do people drive these things? Everyone's talking about like how how stressed they are parking their cars?
like, yeah Yeah, I that costs enough that that I would be I would be stressed like with the dbrand skin on the tycan
I don't worry that much about it because if someone just like a minor scratch and it's going to do literally nothing
Bumps their jacket against it or like opens their door or whatever. It's not going to scratch the paint
Like so I actually have like basically no worries other than like, you know, if it gets, you know
Sideswiped or something, you know, like that. Yeah, obviously that's bad, but I'm just like
I'm just I'm just Scrappy dp says Linus is new money. I am a hard dude
Dude, I grew up on a hobby farm with my parents or teachers. This is definitely new money
I am the newest money that there is dude. I yeah. No, man. I I don't got that. I don't got that old money
Um, it's this one someone's asking which card is oh my god. Look at that cat. Is that a golf course?
Do they have a golf course on their campus? We'll go all the way down. I don't even think they sold out all of the original laveras
Like how do they have a golf course campus? No idea. I mean, there was the whole acquisition slash merger and
MatÃ© de Rubac is like the uh, he's the CEO of uh, Bugatti now and stuff. So there's clearly money
They have a they have a like what even is this basket? It's a green basketball court. I don't even know what I'm looking at
Do you want to zoom that enhance? And that's
Enhanced yeah, it's a green basketball court. Go figure. I don't know because uh,
Croatia I guess and then are they in Croatia or check?
No, I don't remember where read this though. It's like
Where is it? Croatia? Yeah, I was right the first time
Are you rebellious? Embrace your rebellious spirit with the re-magnuvera r. It's not just a car. It's a statement
It is a car defy the norm challenge the status quo
And experience a hypercar that breaks all conventions
Okay, I'm pretty sure chat gbt could road that on its first attempt
This whole thing just like well Oh, man
Big ick. Well, you got to remember like who you're who you're selling to big ick probably that's what I'm assuming
I found one second hand
I actually unironically like delivery
Unironically, I think it looks pretty cool. You just need to make all the black parts pink. Oh, it's sold
Oh, dude, it's sold. This was not on the market very long
That's crazy. I'm actually very surprised
That's crazy. I think it was listed for two mil usd
man I'm very surprised that sold
Someone says 1800 miles is quite a bit for a hypercar. The thing is it's um
It's electric though. Like I would imagine it's probably a little more reliable than your typical
I don't know. Someone says it's going to be flipped. Like what do you mean though? Like I don't know these
This seems like the least collectible of hypercars
I don't know even though like I have been keeping my eye on it
I I just don't feel like car people actually
I mean clearly they've sold a few but I don't think they sold out them all
um I thought remac went out of business. No, I I don't think so
People are buying and selling all the time keep it for half a year to experience it then flip it to the next guy
I mean that actually makes sense like if you if you have that kind of
Money, then you just it's almost like cost of
It's almost like cost of rental Like however much you lose on the flip. That's actually that's that's kind of cool
I could I could get into that The problem is like I okay again, you know back to back to Linus nuvo rich things. What if you I don't I don't have like a garage
I have a one I have one car space allocated to me like I have a big garage
But one of the bays has a paint booth in it for a project that I was someday finished
You were a proper rich guy and you had someone else paint your bike or actually you just bought a new one
Then you wouldn't need a paint booth and you could store your extra hypercar
I have to admit the whole thing is starting to feel pretty stupid two garages
Yeah, but the other one has like my kids stuff in it and the minivan
I have kids dude. I have kids I have kids
What what kids stuff the go-karts? Um, yeah, yeah, we have go-karts. You could create a go-kart garage that goes in your massive backyard
But then it dude pool parties though. You gotta have space for croquet. You gotta play that croquet
Priorities priorities. Have you seen some of the stuff they'll sell with this like tier of cars?
They'll sell you like luggage and they'll sell you like there's there's some car that there's like a custom cringe fishing kit
If I remember I want to look this up. Um, I think it's like a Lamborghini or something
Ja, he jazz. He says buy the house next to yours and make it a garage
Oh man, you know what's funny Range Rover. Okay, again, this is something I would not talk about on the main show
But back when we were living in South Glen Yvonne and I legitimately talked about that
What sorry about just instead of moving because we loved the location so much and we couldn't find a better
Location we just we loved that house. We loved the layout. We loved the location. We talked about just
Buying the neighbor's place And then just like having
Like like all about second house all the kids play area stuff like over there
And like guest room over there and just like like the main house is the yard is just like the bedrooms
Kitchen dining room essentially and like like if we wanted like a home theater or something put it over there
It's over in like second house like all the stuff that you wouldn't big big like rec room
You just put it over there. Just put put everything over there So you just like gut the inside and just turn it into entirely recreational space
You take the backyard turn it into a pool and then so your main house has like the yard and the living space
And you actually live like pretty normally day-to-day Yeah, except that you have like a recreational house next to you. It's like normal house and baller expand
Well, it's like it's like having you build a tunnel So, okay, hold on. We're getting to that. Okay. So it's like having a rec property, right?
Yeah, like anyone who has a cabin on a lake or you know, whatever like a recreation
It's like or like a slightly more expensive but same deal Except you would use it all the time much more often because it's right there
It genuinely doesn't seem that unreasonable when you frame it that way
So Yvonne was like I wouldn't want to have to like go outside to go to another room in my house
Yeah, and so I was like, okay, hear me out tunnel
That's so sick
See, okay I wouldn't get the enjoyment from
the car I think But tunnel to fun house
Holy crap. I'm so on board. That'll be amazing. See that to me is even more unhinged than a nice car
At no point in time have I tried to say that I am hinged to be clear. Oh my god
What would be in your fun house? Because I have kids I can explain my fun house pretty easily
I'd use the rooms. Oh my god
Just tell me what kind of pole would it be?
Fire pole or other pole. It could be multi-use multi-use. Yeah, because you could lock it in position
But it needs to be fire pole Then it could unlock
You know that stripper poles are in a fixed position too, right? No, they're not
Oh, no, are they not? No, they're not. Oh, all right. You could have them dressed up like firemen
No, they're not say people. All right. Well, you know what that's the kind of honestly
That's the kind of thing I'm fine not knowing. It's like learning about santa. That's the kind of thing
I'm fine not knowing. I didn't know for like a super long time and to be clear. I have actually genuinely never been to a strip club
I was just like informed of this because I thought it was crazy that they could spin like that
I thought it was actually like just nuts and then someone was like, oh, they're not
They're staying in position the pole spinning and I was like, oh, okay. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense
Oh
Donut says I've been once it was meh
Yeah, it's it's on the internet by the way, just in case anyone hasn't figured that out yet
Everything's on the internet. Yeah, look at this. This is a custom Bentley like fishing kit
I
See if that's what rich people look like I don't know if I want to be
$200,000 Bentley designed specifically for fly fishing like
What? Okay. What are you talking about? Okay. Okay. So that's not your that's not your like
Rich Luke car, but there's got to be a rich Luke car. There has to be
Like are you more of a rolls guy? 2012 Acura
Someone the other day was trying to convince me and I was like
I was kind of into the idea until I realized that I'd have to spend like 12 grand or something and then I decided no
Um, but take the same generation of car that I have because my car is the first year in the generation
and get the newest one but still within that generation, which I think is
Like 2012 2013 or something and then get the SHAWD. So it's all-wheel drive
And then same color and just be like there. It's like effectively the same car, but it's just like slightly nicer
I was like, hmm, that'd be kind of sick Uh, josham asks what inspired the was I not holding a mic the whole time bit that killed me?
Uh, that was me. I asked for the editor to do like one of those cheesy like breaking news
Like like things because it was such a long aside
part of the rules of making good videos is Don't stray from the point
But if you do stray on the point do it with intent and so that was and make it clear you're going to come back to the point
So that was why I did that as like a chunk the whole board one board two thing
for NVIDIA's mobile GPUs and how the designs are either a board one design or a board two design
um, and I just I feel like you know field reporters are like supposed to hold a mic and um
My camera op was like, oh, I can try and yeah, we're in a whole like press thing
I can find a mic prop for you to hold and I was like, no, no, no, no
No, no, no, no, I'm just going to hold a fake mic and then at the end I'll pretend to that I didn't know
um Fine Dan Dan wants us to start the show
See he tried to do it without telling you guys because he's a coward, but
I outed him. Oh, sorry. Keep forgetting. He's in my ear telling me to start the show
There's a lot of like old cars that I think would be sick. Um, okay Luke's car shopping. I'm trying to find
Where's the part where it will show
Yeah, there it is. You can kind of see it There's this old sob that has this feature where it's speedometer only goes to a certain limit
But then if you get to a high enough speed and anyone tries to record it
It uh Wait for it
Wait for it. Boom. Like unlocks more speedometer. So sick
This is not 399 to use the rest of it. Yeah. Yeah
There's there's cool old cars that I'm into but again like I don't know
That's pretty funny actually Give me a tegra and a sex. Should we start this thing new
Honda, what is it? Honda Integra's I think that looks sick the hybrid ones
Wait, there's a Honda Integra. I thought they branded Integra Acura
Pretty sure it's Acura. No, it's not
No way. Is it Honda Integra now?
Honda prelude hybrid, is that the one I'm thinking?
Yeah, I was reading about this Return of an icon all electric Honda prelude
Oh, there you go No
Wow text. There's nothing. Oh, no up up photos. There we go
Oh, it's pretty doesn't necessarily even like look that amazing, but uh, just the idea of I like hybrids
Like plug-in hybrid. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Not. Yeah, not not non plug-in hybrids. I like plug-in hybrids. All right. Let's do this thing
Acura nsx. Yeah, but I don't want a super car I don't want something that I'm going to be scared about like a small bump in
Okay, I'm punching it
Resume
What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show it's been a busy busy week
In between last friday, I flew down to las vegas
I did a bunch of videos and I flew up to las vegas and luke was there for the first time in
Forever. Yeah. Yeah, seven years or so like actually a very long time
He came and did ces now that he's back on the content team back on the grind
So we're going to be talking about ces this week. We're also going to be talking about the whole
NVIDIA scandal with fake Frames that claim it's it is amazing to me how many people were like Linus. You didn't acknowledge that
NVIDIA's claims were kind of outlandish and I'm like, yo, I called it a red flag in the intro
Are you not up with the lingo? Red flag means bad
So we're going to be talking about the 50 series fake frames and also I'll give you guys kind of a
Longer rundown of what it was like playing on those fake frames. What else we got for this week
Why is no one talking about the ryzen ai max?
Yeah, wait, is that actually something that you think is really interesting?
Or are you just oh my just just pick another one. Why is the arc b580 underperforming on older chipsets?
You
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Wait, we only have one sponsor for the wancho. Do I need to call and find out what the heck is going on?
Did they forget to sell the wancho? The second wancho of the year and they've already failed to sell the sponsor spots on it
Oh, okay, you know what looking good. That's yeah clearly clearly. This is it guys. We are washed up
We are almost at the five-year anniversary if i'm thinking about retiring and uh, whether I like it or not
It might be happening because we can't even sell the wancho anymore. It really has been a good run everybody
Thank you very much and good night
I won't say it. I'm back. No, don't say it because then we have to end the show. I'm contractually obligated to push the button
No, he can't do it you guys. He can't do it So let's talk about the NVIDIA 50 series fake frames controversy on monday january 6th
six So
Okay, wow, this is very early in the show for an aside
Three words in
My list is coming back Oh And I think it's ever since uh, and I specifically remember when it started happening because
I it it's sort of I think the shape of the roof of my mouth is is reverting to before I had my dental appliances and braces and everything
and the reason that I can the reason I know when it happened is because
It sort of manifests as kind of having like a little of the like gunk like stuck in the back of my throat
and and having a little bit more trouble with speech and um, I remember it because it was pretty early in like the covid scare
Time so it was uh like early 2020 and initially I thought like I had covid or something
But actually I just like ever since then I've always just kind of been a little bit more more gunked up
But um, I'm getting my wisdom teeth out. I don't know if you know this So I've already had my bottom ones out and I was stupid and I was like, oh well my top ones aren't bothering me
So why would I bother to have them removed even though everyone told me if you just have them all at the same time?
That's a lot easier than like going under the knife twice
But the reason I have to have them out is not because they're suddenly bothering me
I could keep the top ones forever but because I want to go back and get my orthodontics looked at and
I went to two orthodontists one of whom told me that they wanted they they could fix my teeth
And they wanted to remove one of my bottom teeth in order to do it one or more because I have crowding down there
And I was like, yo, I'd really rather not. Yeah, and the other one said, yeah, they can do it without removing any teeth
But they literally will not work on any adult that has their wisdom teeth in
Any wisdom teeth because they're like, yeah, they're just they're too much of an x factor and we just we won't do it
so I have to So I have to get my top ones out in the next little bit and I'm hoping that someday again
I will be able to say on monday january 6th
NVIDIA revealed their 50 series rtx GPUs
We have a whole video on the keynote if you haven't seen it yet and that includes a hands-on gaming on the new rtx 50 90
during that keynote NVIDIA stated that the rtx 50 70, which is launching with a
$550 price tag will deliver rtx 40 90 performance followed quickly by jensen wong saying
This would be impossible without ai
So coming back to our intro, that's what I referred to as a red flag because that tells us
Explicitly that this is going to be done with dls s software frame gen. Yeah, uh, well hardware
It's using Inferencing hardware sure, but also software. Yeah
Initially many people were excited, but then as the news kind of
settled and more people started talking about it
It's sort of shifted to a perception that these are
Fake frames since the way that these 50 series cards are going to be able to achieve such great performance
Is through dls s 4.0 with frame gen and in particular
a new type of frame gen that is uh
Well, it has a lot more fake frames than the old frame gen
Yeah, so the example that most people are referencing is actually on NVIDIA's own website where they show cyberpunk 2077 running at 4k with all settings crank to the max
Only getting 28 FPS without dls s and then over
230 frames with dls s multi frame gen ray reconstruction and
Super resolution. So basically rendering at a lower initial resolution
Generating what is it three frames of artificially three inferred frames for every one actual rendered out frame
And then ray reconstruction. I am not 100 familiarized with yet. So i'm not going to try to explain that one
Another reason people are upset over fake frames is that benchmarks in the future are going to get really confusing
Oh, yeah for people who take these numbers at face value versus the actual visuals that you might be seeing because
250 frames per second rendered fully
Right with no fake frames is going to look different and feel different than 250 frames per second
With a whole bunch of software trickery should be clear about multi frame gen two you can have multi frame gen on but at different levels
So i believe this is multi frame gen 4x, which is like as aggro as it can go right
So that's that's three fake frames fake frames for every one
But you could have multi frame gen that is below that that's that's the main thing i'm trying to
Yeah, so frame gen in the past has just been like every other so it's been a one-to-one ratio
Whereas now you can have a one-to-one two-to-one or a three-to-one ratio of of generated frames versus
Fully rendered out frames and one thing that they're talking about is like paying attention to your monitor's refresh rate
and trying to set frame gen so that
The FPS count is just a bit above your monitor's refresh rate
They're not suggesting that you just crank it to 4x all the time
Because I think even they are recognizing that it's like, you know
So not perfect. We're going to have to be a little careful with this discussion question because
I have not been briefed on anything about 50 series
Um, but I cannot necessarily say that about everyone in the room right now that I was told outside of the thing
Okay, so I was okay with saying that cool, but we still do have a discussion question
We're just going to have to be a little bit careful with it after having spent time with graphics cards throughout the years
Do you agree with the mindset that these are fake frames and they don't count for the performance of the card?
Initial thoughts No
Okay Not completely. Okay. Okay. That sounds like a more. Are you able to elaborate anymore right now?
What can I say and what can I not say Um
So this this this is something that they've said before this wasn't just said at the thing
So NVIDIA claims that 80 of rtx gamers
turn on dlss Now I tried to get an extrapolation from there because something that I and I I didn't get one so I can talk
Well, I did but it they said maybe and they weren't 100% sure so I'm not going to quote it. Um
But what I was kind of trying to figure out is like, okay rtx gamers
So this goes back to 2000 series, right? So like if someone's running a I don't know a 2050 ti or a 20 60
There's a 2050 you can tell you was out of the game for a period. I didn't care at all
2060 is the entry level to to rtx. Sure. So it's 20 60. Yep
Is that person way more likely to turn on dlss versus like a 40 90? I
What's the distribution here? That's an interesting question if I had a 40 90 or I had a 50 90 which
It has been announced the pricing's here. I was prepared for 2000 us dollars. I'm buying one. Um, so if when I install my 50 90
I will probably not turn it on If I had a 30 60 I heard I heard a quote from you off camera. Can I say it?
I don't remember what it is, but go for it. Okay. You said I'm not buying a
$2,000 GPU to turn on dlss
Yeah, you could you could quote me you could quote me on that
All right. All right. All right But the thing is that there are I'm gonna have to make compromises somewhere else
I think that's honestly and this this is where I said like the maybe think because I think that approach is
Not optimal And that's fair enough. I think so that's fair enough because I think there is I think there's I think there's a time in
validity I think there is validity to to because I'm gonna make compromises in order to get the kind of frame rate that I want
I'm gonna have to turn off some visual details then whereas if someone else says hey look
I want to see all the eye candy. Yeah, and I don't
I don't need you know, whether it's uh, whether it's you're trading off a competitive edge for visuals or you're trading off
Um, you know, really depends on cooler looking lighting and smoke and particle effects for you know, um
Sharpness sharpness in the rendered image, you know, what whatever, right?
Whatever it is that's your trade-off. That's your trade-off and I don't think that one is
Right, absolutely. Yes, and one is wrong. Absolutely. Yeah, but in terms of my feelings about it
Yeah, I'm not gonna buy a $2,000 graphics card and turn on the frame gen which I think is fair
And I think you're More visually discerning than the vast majority of people I've ever met. I have seen the faces fall
Yeah of NVIDIA employees. Yeah now through
New numbered like more than one generation. I'm not just trying to gas them up like this is a thing of dlss. I have watched them
Think it's like basically perfect be confident. Watch me walk up to a demo
literally it wasn't this launch it was um
4 000 series super launch They had two demo systems right next to each other one that was using dlss and one that wasn't
And I believe it was with frame gen And they didn't have like FPS counters and they were like, can you tell which one?
And immediately I was like this one and they're like, how did you know and I'm like
Because it's my job. Yeah. Yeah. It is literally my job to be able to tell the difference between this stuff for a living
With that said it can be my job to know that stuff and I can still recognize that my brother-in-law
Isn't going to be able to tell and isn't going to care and would actually probably prefer the smoother experience
Yeah, and like but that's not me zenith and chat said latency is what matters most and it's like no not necessarily
not always and I mean for you and might for in the games that you play there was a there was uh, there was something
I really liked too nameless ted in the Floatplane chat says all frames are fake
raster is fake AI generated is fake shaders and this is a really really good point that I feel like
Some people are missing. This is the forest that I feel like some people are missing through the trees here
And I want to I want to bring us back to a video that we did a couple of years ago
Called I'm embarrassed. I didn't think of this asynchronous reprojection
This blew my absolute f***ing mind. You want to talk about fake frames?
This blew me away because as someone who had kind of
Fall fallen out of paying attention to vr that closely
Um, it wasn't something that I was familiar with up until we made this video
Um, so this was a this was a demo that um trying to remember
Trying to remember what the guy yeah comrade stinger
Comrade stinger, uh, and two-click philip. Okay, or two clicks philip these guys made a couple little videos
future upscaling asynchronous reprojection outside of vr, and we basically got our hands on their demos and showed how
uh, okay How what it looks like when you're rendering this at without it
Okay, hold on or wait. Is this with it? This looks bad. Can it be improved? Hold on
Okay, so basically what it is is it's a way of okay, here we go
Here we've got it on So this is
Basically using a whole bunch of data from the previous frame to to kind of to to fill in and I'm
I'm really hazy on the details now because it was two years ago
We made that video and I basically learned all about it for that video
And then because I'm not a game developer And I don't work on graphics drivers and GPU architecture. I unlearned it because um, I don't need it until I need it again
But the long the long story short Is that basically it only bothers
It will it will just keep displaying old data
And it will and then anytime you move and reveal something that was occluded
It will bother to render that and that will be done at your true frame rate
But your inputs are at whatever elevated frame rate you just
Decide because it's just re it's just reusing it at whatever maximum refresh rate your monitor
can run at and It feels
Great and you can actually watch people
In the video. We've got people doing Blind frame rate tests. Okay to me. This feels like 60. Do you think anything changed?
Blah blah blah. Okay. Yeah, this is 60. So these are we picked it. We specifically picked like gamers from the team
Yep, I can very tell I can very much tell okay
And then we're going to we're going to turn it up. Hold on. Where do we turn it up?
Hold on. Let me see if I can find it
Okay Oh, come on, man
Whatever the point is the point is it's really cool. I'm sorry. This was a lame finish to this conversation
And what I'm trying to say is one of the biggest issues with running at a lower frame rate
I'm one of the biggest issues with dlss and frame gen is latency and async reprojection
Is a way that you can have a very fake frame like literally just reused visual data from the previous frame that
feels very low latency and unless you're moving in specific ways
Is very hard to discern even for you know
Real gamers and I can't talk too much
Uh About the tech stuff
But I mean it's been pretty obvious for a long time from from all camps right from Intel's camp AMD's camp and vidya's camp
That this is the direction that things are going in NVIDIA has that quote the 80 percent of rtx gamers are turning dlss on
which is Probably a third number. I mean NVIDIA definitely
I'm wondering where they pulled that from are they getting that information from game devs. Are they getting that information from
I would have seen gforce now or gforce experience whatever it's called now NVIDIA app gforce now. Yeah gforce experience
I think it's NVIDIA app now. Sure. Um, whatever. Um, are they is that like? Yeah, I don't know
I don't know where the lines are necessarily drawn there, but that's a really high percentage of people
Yep, well, I mean games are enabling it by default. So like yeah
Most people and that's the thing that the enthusiast community doesn't realize. Yes is most people
Literally are not going to touch the game settings panel. Yeah, there's a reason they suck
So if it's on by default, it's because only some nerd is going to go in there and change anything
And I I get I get it. I get I forget who I was having this conversation with recently about how they were just like
They were like blown away at how little Like someone in their life
You know cared about these details like sure think about I mean, it's it's the classic like sure
There is an example of that for that person. Everything's giving right everything's giving
There's the like the annual reminder to when you visit your relatives turn off the stupid motion smoothing because most people
Literally don't even open a settings menu. Like my grandparents don't even know where it is
They don't know how to access it on their tv But okay, but that being said 80 percent of gamers turn on dlss
They don't necessarily turn on dlss all the time Sure
And this is where I keep coming back to the like the right tool for the right job thing where like I think there's games
And I think there's scenarios where you're not going to want any form of you don't want dlss
You don't want frame gen you don't want any of this. I'm playing like a competitive game. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I don't want but then looking at
I One of the experiences
Okay, I think I can talk about it, but I'm not certain so I'm just gonna not yeah, that's fine looking at one of the experiences
With it completely off versus with it completely on like
I also this is where communicating about this stuff gets really funky though because I don't even think that's a fair comparison
You can't do like the hardest possible settings and then turn on dlss and 4x frame gen and just put them side by side
And be like this is fair. I don't think that's true I think you should go for like more of a frame rate target or something
And without those tools put on the best things you can while hitting that frame rate and then say hey, does this look okay to you?
Yeah, because for me a lot of the time I mean we did this video a while back on ultra settings are kind of stupid
Yeah, right because a lot of the time for that extra three percent
More realism it is costing you so much double the GPU horsepower and
That's a that's a way that you know for my part
Medium to high in a lot of modern games almost always great
I can't really tell and a big part of the reason for that is that game developers are
Explicitly like it's not like they hide this. They're explicitly
Optimizing their games for whatever the current generation console is sure and the current generation console at the very very very
Highest end is a ps5 pro which is equivalent to what like a 7800 x t or something like that
Yeah, I don't know but yeah, which is which is a very powerful GPU, right?
It's a marvel of modern engineering, but what it isn't is a 4090 or a 5090. Yeah, right?
So I so ultimately I think just dismissing this tech
Is the wrong take I also think that saying that a 5070 is a 4090. It's just like clearly obviously
Yes, like these things can both be true both of those things are true
I I don't think that we should look at frame gen and be like this is stupid and dumb and we should all ignore this collectively
Because no, I think it is cool and it has applications It's really honestly that the tech that they're talking about that I can't really talk about right now
Damn super impressive. Okay, but it kind of feels like a dlc more than a new graphics card launch
Still super cool. Yeah, 5090 is a wicked card, but like
It's too grand. That's a lot. I've got a couple of people kind of asking me
Okay, Linus now that you're outside of the NVIDIA room, right? What can you say about the latency?
I don't think you hold back of the frame. I didn't hold anything back
Dude, I you cut up. Okay I don't think I don't think them being there literally mattered at all
This is something that a lot of people I feel like don't understand about this early access
Like I I saw a number of comments about this on the AMD Ryzen ai max
Plus video that I did in ASUS's booth with that with that z13 gaming tablet
Is like people are like like scam. This isn't even a good review and like, you know, some other publication would have done a better review
Guys, this is not a review These products aren't out
The the performance embargo is not lifted The fact that we were able to game on these at all is a f***ing miracle
And I'm extremely grateful for it Because it gives us it gives us a little bit more information than just a spec sheet
That was the alternate surprisingly open this time. Yeah, like for I I will I have
Quite openly dogged on NVIDIA and a lot of other companies for their events in the past
This one in general was very good. Yeah, they were super open. They're open conversations. They seemed
Uh, you know, uh, there's the there's the rtx 50 70 is is 40 90 performance thing
Which is in the keynote and whatever but once we got past that
They were super on us super open. Yep. It felt like good conversations
Yep, and and the the fact that I was able to install my own game of my choice
Yeah, crazy They were like and and the realistically the only reason that we only ran one game was because the internet connectivity was pretty bad
Yeah, which is not their fault ASUS actually owes msa here solid for us having that game at all
Because I had to send Dylan from the procurement team on a quest to go copy game files to an SSD
Because ASUS was not set up to run any games on it
We got special permission to run black myth wukong and it's amazing how people will like make these conspiracy theories like
Linus is only in the opening scene Because it's easier to run
No, I just haven't played the game Yeah, and someone else was using the LTT benchmark account and I didn't want to kick them off
So I bought the game on my account They're in the in the booth and I fired up the f***ing game
That's it Calm the f*** down, you know
Like people are people are looking so hard for a conspiracy
But what's actually happening is and I and I even laid this out like it coming back to the NVIDIA booth demo
Because we're going to talk about rise and amax plus later So coming back to the NVIDIA the NVIDIA demo that I did
People are looking so hard for like a conspiracy, but I laid it all out
I'm not allowed to change the resolution even being allowed to show you guys the settings wild
Unbelievable a very surprised. They let you do that. Super cool considering how high level the keynote was
The fact that I was able to show you guys the settings We were running at is the only reason you're even able to have these conversations about how NVIDIA cherry picked the settings
Because otherwise you wouldn't have even known don't ruin this for next time
Recognize the gift. I used to talk about this with blizzard all the time
But be careful about what the impact of what you're doing is going to cause
Like they were they were this is the first time in a really long time that they've been really open and allowed this level of
Access to things. Yeah, don't close that off. Yeah
Yeah, don't Don't screw this up guys. You're angry about the right stuff. There's things to be angry about. Yeah, 100% just be angry about the
Right. The 50 70 is equal to a 40 90. Whatever thing. Yeah. Yeah, say hey, that's misleading. Yeah
Say that's misleading say you don't agree and that's totally fine. Yeah, but don't be like
Yeah, NVIDIA should have let you do a full performance review
After the obviously not you guys there there's there's still media briefings that need to be done
Everybody needs time to to test and benchmark these things in their own in their own Labs
And I really appreciate that they did this huge thing with us that I can't really talk about
Because they brought a huge amount of reviewers there
And It was a discussion about like looking into this, you know this technology
But they're also really open about like how do you test this stuff because this generation?
More than I mean, I haven't been in the game for a long time So maybe this is a false statement, but it feels true to me
More than many previous is going to be really weird to test
And I we always say this but like look at multiple reviews
This time more than like any because yeah, there's going to be a lot of weird stuff
Like we're going back to like many many many generations in the past where we're talking about image quality differences between graphics card brands
We're going to have to be pixel peeping things like the dlss quality in different games is going to be up and down
Depending on different variables like this is going to be very very weird in some ways
What's happening now is such a time as a flat circle moment
Where yeah, everyone was expected to render the game the same way. Yeah, yeah, right because before that
it was everything from, you know driver cheats and and anti aliasing shortcuts
And uh, I mean and then you go back even further and everyone's using like completely different apis
Even you've got like glide and stuff like that and then after that you've got vendor proprietary implementations of things like
Hairworks or whatever else like this this expectation we have that everyone will render it exactly the same way
Is actually in some ways a very a little blip in time false expectation
It never existed before that And I got to be honest with you guys like it or don't like it. That's totally valid
But it's never happening again Yeah, it's
Completely over. Yeah I also want to jump in uh, nick from the Labs commented saying I did not walk away from a conversation with NVIDIA without a decent answer to a question
And honestly, I completely agree. Yep the the event that they held
While we were there not the keynote the event after that with reviewers was
fantastic, I'll say this um NVIDIA
The more dominant they've gotten in some ways the more arrogant they've gotten and the more controlling they've gotten but
The more Open in some other ways. They have also gotten. I don't know that those things are I I understand
They're correlated I don't I don't think there's causation. Yeah, I'm just saying their dominance is correlated to both of those other things
Yeah, yeah, I think there's other reasons why I don't know if we want to get into those
Things like pcat. So they're power monitoring tools things like fcat. They're frame time monitoring tools fantastic that
Obviously they would have like had as internal tools before but releasing those to reviewers
Is such a just like slapping your gigantic dong on the table move
Going we want to enable reviewers to better test this stuff because we know that if they test it properly
We are going to be we are not only so much better today But we are going to be so much better forever that we want everyone to have better tools to know it
There's so many things I want to say right now. That is such that is such a
dong Slonking on the table moves like it's crazy
and Who else in the history of anything has ever done that? Can you imagine?
Can you imagine bmw? being like
Our cars are so much more efficient and so much faster than anyone else's
We need to teach you how to measure and they will be until the end of time that we are literally going to develop
a better dyno And we're literally going to equip the entire review sphere with particulate matter testing equipment
So that you so that you can hold us accountable in the future if we ever fall off this
This this podium that we sit atop like imagine that nobody's gonna nobody does that. That's crazy
Nobody does that except NVIDIA
However, I've spoken at length on this show about the way that NVIDIA also
withholds information treats partners like non-partners
um obfuscates
Um, I think and I told them this to their face. I I stopped by the event
I wasn't able to attend it because I was busy covering the rest of the show
But I you know, I told them I think they've I think they've lost some of their fun
Over the years like NVIDIA used to be able to laugh at themselves in a way that I feel like they've kind of lost
And I hope that they take the feedback for what it is genuine
Genuine feedback not not criticism, but feedback. Um, and I hope they can I hope they can
I hope they can find ways to not take themselves too seriously not keep everything completely focused on
Generating shareholder value. Um, I don't think you're wrong, but I feel like like the world
And the industry combined are all having the same problem. That's true. I think that's fair
I don't I don't know that this is NVIDIA specific like I think that's fair. Yeah
Laughing is bad for shareholders. Yeah, but yeah, like genuinely do not
Watch or read one review
For 5 000 series. Yeah do more than that at least due to I would honestly suggest more than that
It's it's this is going to be super weird I think it's going to be really really interesting to see what all the different reviewers do to try to find a way to communicate
The performance of this thing performance differences because cranking all the ai assist to the max
I can tell you that's not the answer. Yeah, but turning them all off
It's also not really the answer. That's not a real answer either and both of those both of those are wrong
What's right? I don't know. Yeah, and I think everyone's going to have to come up with their own answers
And I think evaluating performance with these cards is going to be really complicated
I actually want to segue into our next topic here, which is a really interesting
Re-review slash investigation that hardware unboxed and hardware canucks have done with Intel's arc b580 finding that
Oh, somebody just collapsed the topic finding that it has
A complicated performance profile depending on what you bench it with
So while making a video about the arc b580 hardware canucks ran into problems when pairing the Intel GPU with older hardware
They tested on an i5 9600k on a z390 motherboard with resizable bar on now Intel has been completely upfront
That resizable bar is a nest is necessary. Yeah, we were like, you know, hey, how much performance uplift downlift whatever and they're like
Doesn't matter turn it on turn it on It's basically from our point of view the minimum system requirements are you have rebar period
Okay, all right fair enough in many games
Performance seems to be on par with the competition But in other games the b580 struggled to keep up with even a gtx 1660 super and this is a card that performed
Abressed with a 40 60 even sometimes a 40 60 ti in our review
An important note by the way Intel arc does not officially support ninth gen Intel cpus and 300 series chipsets
Even if they have rebar these are six to seven years old
With 15th gen chips releasing in october of 2024 so that that's that's important to note but until only explicitly ever said hey
You got to have rebar They didn't they never really said okay, you can't I got official support. Okay. Well, whatever take it for what it is official support
Okay, well, what about AMD hardware unboxed did some testing
They found that officially supported AMD cpus like the Ryzen 550 600 and the 3000 series
Also saw significant drop-offs in performance
arc seems to have more CPU overhead whether it's in its drivers or I guess it would have to be its drivers
Compared to other cards So as you go down in generation and down in the product stack to older less performance cpus
Graphics performance is seriously impacted in games that are especially already CPU intensive
Lower frame rates like when running in 1440p are less impacted than higher FPS 1080p results, which makes sense
Because 1440p with you know medium or high details is going to be a lot more GPU bound and a lot less CPU bound
Hardware unboxed put up a more extensive review today. This says today, but when were these notes written?
Whatever recently with some interesting results So go check those out when we're done here both hardware conox and hardware unboxed report
That Intel is aware of their findings and is currently looking into the matter
I mean here's a question that looks like it was it was today 16 hours ago
discussion question How many generations of cpus and chipsets should we reasonably expect a GPU maker to support?
And I think that's a complicated answer because in the case of something like a 5090
I wouldn't even think that it was that outlandish if NVIDIA came out and said. Yep. Here's the 5090
It's $2,000 We're offering official support for Ryzen 7000 Ryzen 9000 and Intel 13 standing up
Because Realistically the vast majority of people buying this thing are either buying it in a brand new system
Don't underestimate how many people are buying gpus in full systems that the like discrete individual GPU market
You don't matter straight up because I don't know if this is private or not
I was talking to an si while I was at the event They said they've never had this many pre-orders and they did
Genuinely zero marketing to the point where they almost hit it. They've never had this many pre-orders
Don't underestimate it and then number two option is they're putting it into a system
That is probably pretty new if you have $2,000 to spend on a GPU. You have a freaking ton of money to spend on
You know not a GPU. Yeah Unless you're crazy in which case. I mean you do you
However I'm going to offer an alternative take on that if you are pitching your card as a value card
It's 250 bucks. I think if you come out and say, yeah, we support this generation and the last generation
You're going to get laughed out of the room much like Intel did with arc alchemist
Because it was an even bigger problem then to only support rebar platforms
Because rebar was a relatively new innovation or it was relatively new at least to consumer platforms
And so with with b580 coming in essentially requiring not only rebar
Which I think would have been fine at this point because that takes you back like at least five years
How far how far back do we have to go for rebar? I think about five years
So that takes you back a good number of years not just that but requiring a recent platform
I think it really harms the value proposition of the card
so
I guess We'll see how this plays out. I mean, I'm trying to think back. I forget whether it was AMD or NVIDIA
I think it wasn't video a while back where and when I say a while back
I'm talking like eight or 10 years or something like that where it was found that their driver overhead
Was greater than AMD's and so their performance ranking was changing the old the farther back you went like there was a similar
Similar conversation. Okay. Well, if you remember it, then it must be eight plus years ago
And NVIDIA went to work And they they cleaned up their driver and they they made it less overhead
And they like talked about that over the next couple of cycles and then it has become less of a conversation
I'm hoping that that's something that
Intel can do I don't know that for sure, but given the kind of progress that we've seen on their driver
development over the last couple of years I
I have I have some Faith it's blind faith. So take it for what it is. But I I I hope they are able to do this
Um, are we supposed to discuss the hoodies we're wearing at some point Dan? Is that
Something that has happened or that's part of announcements, which we can go to in two minutes if you want. Okay. Why don't we do two minutes by two minutes?
That's what the timer says We could start it now. I think I just read what's on the prompt timer
I sure I can I can talk more about things
No, no, you can literally start whenever you want. Okay, let's do it. Let's do announcements. Where are they? I can't find them
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What common arguments do you three typically have with your significant others?
What are they usually about and how do they end?
Enjoy this money made from my job as a spacecraft systems engineer. Cool job. Nice
Cool job. That's sick You're so cool
What arguments I would say meaning of words
Really? Yeah Are you both pedants? Sorry. Are you are you are you are you are you suggesting one for me or telling me yours? No mine
Oh, okay I get really particular. Yeah
All right. Well, I like I'll be wrong and then fully embrace it because I'm like if that's the definition of words
That's what it is. All right. Oh, this is sick
I like this
Hello, dear heart you're live on the wancho Okay. Hey, um, so someone asked, uh, what's the our most common argument?
What's it usually about and how does it typically end?
And I I couldn't really think of it off the top of my head
I think our most common argument is usually about how we're communicating with each other
And it usually ends with us being like, okay, this is something you can do better and this is something I can do better
Um So I don't know if it's like about a specific thing rather just like the way we communicate that makes sense
Oh, you know what? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yvonne's being really nice about it. But um, sometimes I can be like cranky and dismissive
and um And that that's probably the fight we've had the most in the last like six months. Do you think that's fair?
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, okay. All right. Um
Yeah, and so usually what it amounts to is
um What can we do to to de-escalate a situation and I think we've gotten a lot better at it
Like maybe last like two years
Like yeah, I think it's a Something we've worked pretty hard on over the last little while. Yeah. Okay. Cause like
Sometimes it's like my fault, but Yvonne in the past. Sorry. Sorry. Give me. Sorry. I can let you go. I can let you go. It's fine
Okay, um, so sometimes like in the past
um You know, I would
It would a hundred percent be my fault that it started But it would be a hundred percent her fault that the temperature went from
you know 98.6 is human temperature, right? So it would be like a hundred percent on her that we went to 90 from 99 to like
107, you know And so I think we've both gotten way better at recognizing
When the temperature is going up and just
defusing it I think that's that's the biggest thing
um It's almost 100 of the time
No, I'm not gonna I'm not no, you know what? No, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take that one
I would say 95 of the time It's like my fault that it starts initially though because I'm I'm like kind of inattentive
slash Very add. I'm kind of difficult to get along with compared to compared to her
Um, but there are there have been times when she's just like cranky because everyone's human it turns out
I feel like we're probably like similar but swapped
Really, okay. I
Okay, I've known you a long time
You can be very difficult Yeah
When things start to escalate
That's why I said swapped Yeah
I've been trying to get better at that you're fine I think I've been getting a bit better at that and sometimes it's just like
Oh my god, this doesn't matter and why has this escalated to this point to the point where like after an exec meeting
I'm like messaging or calling him after I'm like, are you okay?
Because like you seem very mad
To his credit, um, he's pretty good at like
cooling off and Reengaging the next time and like everything's fine
But what he doesn't do Is actually get on the same page about that
with the other person So like he's fine. It's like yeah, but nobody else is fine yet, luke
And like you took this from 99 to 110
Yeah, anyway Yeah, that sounds about right
Been trying to get better at that though, you know, I think you have. Yeah, I think you have
Yeah, I think probably the most recent one was
The exec meeting over your issue with like our apple vision pro coverage being kind of late
And like I was basically like, yeah, you know, there are challenges because we don't have access with apple and like
Um, and like like you're more mad about that than I was mad about it
But in the meeting I was laying out the reasons why we were when we were
And and I think you were basically like well these reasons aren't good enough
And we should just move heaven and earth to do better
And so what I was trying and and I and I agree we should do better
But I was trying to lay out the devil's advocate argument for why it was what it was
And you're like this is the tech event of the year. I'm like, okay. Yes, luke
But what we need to do is take a deep breath right now. We missed it. He did not want to take a deep breath
That's true. Um And and and the part of the part of the challenge
With this guy is that he can be both right
And also way out of line That sounds about right
And you gotta yeah, no, this is great nerdy says luke is just passionate and and and that's right
And that's true and we should be passionate. It's usually just because yeah, I'm really into it
And then uh, it's not like I've left the team if that makes sense. Yeah, so I also try to get over it and keep moving
Yeah, but yeah, and there's flaws to that path sometimes and that's one of yeah, that's one of the that's one of the reasons that like
That's one of the reasons that working in a creative industry working in a um working in a fast-paced industry can be really challenging
Is because the only people that are here are here because they want to be here
These are these are creative talented people that could go work somewhere else that they feel like it
Like that's something that I feel like people are often missing from the conversations around
You know, especially like unionization here and stuff like that is
We don't have a gun to anybody's head They don't got to be here
Right like this they're not standing on an assembly line
Putting cogs together the way that they have for 30 years because that's literally the only job skill
They have because that's the only thing that we've ever trained them to do and the only thing they've ever done
Where the vast majority of the people here are working in uh
They're working on like a different thing from day to day especially on like and I when I say the creative side of the team
I don't just mean video like I mean everything from product design to social media like we're
We're in a very very dynamic company in a very very rapidly changing space
Like you look at almost any other industry go back 10 years. Look at where we were 10 years ago
Find me something else that's changed that much. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty nuts
It's sprung up practically overnight and that kind of thing takes place
Not just at the at the top levels of our company, but from top to bottom
And so I think that that's something that a lot of people are are missing or or or
Misunderstanding is that people are here because they want to be here. They're here because they're doing something that matters
and they're here because They want to be and if they don't want to be I mean I've said this in the past then like I don't I don't want them here
Why would I? They can be somewhere else so like go do it and we've had people that have like left and gone on to have great careers. Oh
Guess who I ran into at CES Brandon
Why do you know I know that do you like taking wind out of my sails like is that is that actually a hobby of yours?
Like if you listed your hobbies Would be like
And like
To a certain degree it's gotta it's gotta be up there somewhere. No we uh when we were going through customs
Back in bc having landed we figured out that we were on each other's
Flight hilarious didn't realize the whole time just by it like being delayed for five hours and all this other kind of stuff
Didn't realize until then Yeah, so I ran into I ran into brandon lee. We've we're finally getting that movie night scheduled
Is it actually well I asked vance to do it. So yes, it will end up on the schedule
They never followed up not yet because we were both done in CES. So vance knows
um, so yeah, I'm just I I don't schedule my time anymore because if I do
Someone else is just going to schedule something on top of it. Anyway, so there's just no point
So for for personal obligations Yvonne helps me and then for work obligations. Vance helps me. This one's complicated. Yeah, I was gonna say wait. Hold on because like because like
Brandon so those of you who are very new to the channel, uh, brandon lee was uh, one of our camera operators
Slash, he actually started as an editor slash. He had hosted and written over the years
again, one of those one of these multi talented people that is very multi talented and
Um, could could do anything right. He's he's a could do anything kind of guy. Anyway, so so he left a while back and um
So What is it? Is it personal? Because he's also a fellow creator. So he's got his own channel now
So so that we could maybe talk about potential Professional I didn't know what it was. So I said to vance. I was like vance. Can you schedule a time for us to have a movie night?
And luke's supposed to come too. So um, so anyway, yeah, so so I ran ran into brandon at the show
It was awesome. It was good to see him. I felt so isolated since covet. We've done some collabs like we went on calling in samir
um The collabs have been cool. The one with big time our big time with um
Oh my goodness mighty car mods. What am I talking about big time? Uh, although we do have the sponsorship with big time
That's why they were on my brain. Um, Dude, they had the one with dr. Murrow. We finally we're finally doing some collabs again, but we've done very few tech
Creator collabs. So running into austin in line for the NVIDIA event was great. So he made a cameo in our video
I don't know if you saw that. No, that's cool. Um, so I I had andrew who wasn't recording the keynote dude
Okay, I don't go to keynotes because I think they're stupid
Not because the keynote or the information is stupid, but because attending in person is so pointless
You know something we missed out on though. Yeah, we should have re-streamed it
Why commentary I mean I had people in the audience like shitting me whenever I was talking
No, no, no like sit in the hotel room or something and just watch it there. Oh sure
But anyway, there was there was like thousands of people in this arena
You have a way worse view than if you're just sitting watching on your laptop
If you're making content way worse, you're not set up with your stuff to like make content about it immediately
General attendees were in the stands. They had vip whatever that really means
Like 30 rows of it in the front on the flat ground and then media was behind them
And it was still flat ground so media had like the worst seats in the entire and it's so ridiculous because the thing starts
And everybody like turns on their phones and yeah And I'm I'm like anything cool happens people stand up
I'm making like snarky little comments to Austin. I'm like, yeah, you better make sure you capture this because like
There will be no way to get there will be no way to get this footage later
Like NVIDIA's streaming it live. What are you doing? What are you even? What are you even doing?
Yeah The one thing that was worth it gas racing and Floatplane chess is the one part that was kind of worth it
Was them rickrolling us before the presentation started. That was pretty funny. They just almost no one reacted. I know
That was weird. I know it's because it's all like investors and stuff
Like the media would have known no like rickroll anymore
Terrible that was odd. Um But yeah, like I'm just I'm I'm just I'm just I'm just looking at it and I'm just like
Why are we even here? This is so stupid. Where where was what was I talking about? Oh, right?
So I've we've done so few collaborate. Oh, right. Yeah, it's so Austin
So uh, so Andrew sitting next to me not videoing anything because obviously not if you need any footage of it
NVIDIA literally had on four cables a hovering camera above the crowd getting the best possible angle
Why are we holding up our phones like this like a bunch of idiots? um
But anyway, I was like and you turn on the camera turn on the camera and we get a quick clip of me being like
I'll believe it when I see it to to austin and so we cut that into the intro
And so he just made like a like a two second cameo in the video and seeing people freak out in the comments is great
That's so much fun with stuff like that. I mean, it's awesome. Um
I think i'm in oh dude I'm in I think i'm in one of his videos
But again, it was just as like a cameo like he
Asked someone to to do something or he's like on his way to something and then he like asked me my opinion
And I go to talk and he's like, oh actually wait. There's someone else and he goes and like talks to them like just
Just a very short thing. I'm not sure if that video is up yet. I gotta I gotta go look
Oh, no. Yeah, I just read that Dinner beef says did you see that both collin and samir's houses are gone?
I heard about kyle already. We were going to be talking about that later on the show, but that is absolutely
devastating Obviously it's been said but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be said again
I just want to commend the bravery of the firefighters that are down in california right now fighting these
I also want to condemn anyone who is turning this this tragic loss of
Life and property and natural resources and beauty and all the things that we're losing right now into a political thing
Um, it it has nothing. I didn't know that
It was it was literally gale force winds blowing embers around starting fires faster than any
any fire preparedness Um system possibly could have been ready for and it is a tragedy and we should
Recognize it for what it is a terrible terrible tragedy and just focus on doing what we can to help the people that are affected by it
Canada sent some water bombers. Yeah, that was cool. Thank you very much. That is how neighbors behave. Yeah, um heck yeah
And i'm i'm extremely i'm extremely proud of of our boys heading down there. Thank you very much
um firefighters are
Underrated based period and i'm not even saying that because like, you know
His brother's firefighter. Yeah, he's based too. Yeah, um, but yeah firefighters respect
They do a lot of things that really suck a lot and then they get like rewarded with fighting fires sometimes
Crazy some of the stories man like
They're the first responders for basically everything. Yeah, meaning often they see the worst of it. Yeah
Um, it's rough
Yeah, um So i've for those of you, uh, who have who are asking because a lot of other people kind of posted publicly about it
Uh, yes, I have already reached out to kyle Um, if there's anything that we can do, uh, we'll do it. Um
I I don't want to I don't want to disclose anything about his situation
So i'll i'll leave it to him to kind of communicate in in good time
But uh, hey if there was ever a time to go check out one of bitwit's videos
Or you know, go watch one of colin and samir's videos or something like that
To to share the channels or or share some really good videos you think your friends might enjoy
Now is a good time because you know It's going to be a little challenging for them for a while
At the very least at the very least
Yeah, um, all right, what is next on the schedule Dan did we did we only do one merge message?
Yeah, why don't we do another merge message and then um, yeah, we asked what your most horrible relationship fights are about
And then we ended up with the fire Oh, brian. Lovely. Hold on. We got one quick thing. Yes, kyle is in bitwit moo
One last thing, uh, brian. Lovely says Linus. Did you see that the drone pilot that took out one of canada's water bombers?
Yeah, get your fucking drones out of the sky
People got real shit to do Stop it. Yeah, that's really stupid
You're an idiot like you're actually a complete idiot
You're lucky nobody died
Okay, anyway Okay, hi Dan. Hey, let's do another one here
Let's see friendly dll. What's the best way to make my nas faster for video editing and playing games?
I got a synology 1522 plus that i'm happy with except the speed
Which upgrade route do you recommend time to build a nas?
Yeah, there's not much you can be able to do about the one that you have I think that's the thing about these box nazis
Because I saw a lot of people were really confused about hex os the the nas
os that I invested in that is based on true nas
They're like, what is this even for if people want it to be easy? They can just you know buy one of these pre-done nas boxes
and The answer is that yeah, you could do that
but Your your software license is locked to the hard the overpriced hardware that you bought and when it comes time to upgrade that overpriced hardware
You're buying a whole new box That's how they get you you pay for it somewhere. Yeah, I get it
xos Launched at a hundred dollars for the lifetime license and then went up to 200 and when they go full v1.0
It'll be 300 dollars for a lifetime license, which is a lot of money
But if you are going to have even two nazis
In your life, I promise you you're spending more than 300 dollars on the software
You just don't know it because it isn't broken out as a line item
um so upgrade route
xos is still in early access. I would say maybe
Building yourself a nas it's definitely going to be a good way to go. We've done some videos recently kind of talking through it
I'd say the one where we built one for mark rober is the most kind of up-to-date
That I would that I would probably that I would probably look at obviously you're not going to put as many hard drives in as mark rober did
Oh another really good one John's bonus, uh, we actually have at least one person on staff who watched this video and was like, I'm just going to build that
Hit me. Oh, that's right. That's right. It's Dan. I also built uh, well
I assembled a mark rober's one too that we shipped him I believe
So that one I would watch those two if you're looking for videos from us on building your own nas that one's very
Big boy nas. Yeah. Yeah, that one's that one's pretty nice, but it's for you know, it's for mark rober, right?
So it's like the synology the specific synology model that that person has
You can upgrade the memory and you can add some scalability in terms of adding drive bays
But like you're not going to make it faster. Yep. Not going to happen. Sorry, buddy. All right. What's next mr. Dan?
Oh All right announcements. What shirt are you wearing?
introducing the couch potato
end of the hot potato hoodies Picking the right game to play finding the right youtube video to watch being a couch potato
It's not as simple as it seems That's why we've developed the couch potato hoodie a cotton tarry hooded sweatshirt that is optimized for peak inactivity
It's basically a 2.0 version of the uncle Linus hoodie from 2023's april fools if you guys remember that
And the reason that we brought it back is because the feedback on that thing was
people Love their uncle Linus hoodies, but we couldn't bring it back in the exact same form because we said it was exclusive so
True to our word. We're bringing it back in a completely different form
It's deceptively cozy even though it looks like a potato sack and the cotton tarry fabric is
Really comfy while also being quite breathable and
For a bonus we have a very special very limited edition version
that we are calling The hot potato hoodie and i've been asked to open the box that's in front of me
If I can figure out which side of it's uh, fancy. That's a fancy box fancy
Okay, oh That's what it's gonna look
This is what it's gonna look like when you open it not only is it the best color way out there totally unbiased take
Um, it comes in a collectible gift box and comes with a signed certificate of authenticity signed by me
This one's not signed because this one is fake. There are only
Really? Okay. All right, we're doing this again. There are only 69 available
So get them while they are nice and hot. You can check them both out at LMG.gg
Slash potato they should be going live or right now and they're going live right now
All right, so be ready for some merch messages down
Well, not too many only under a hundred
And now we have another game. Yeah, but people are gonna buy the they're gonna buy that one too like this is
Dude, do you have no idea how many uncle line the cities we sold? They're so comfortable. They are actually I think this one's even nicer
Oh, yeah, we didn't we haven't like shown them. Luke. Do you want to I don't know show the people?
Oh my god Anyway, okay. So yeah, now it has uh nice ribbed sleeves and bottom you can show the the ribbing
Oh, okay. You're like just leaving. Yeah, he's just he's gone and he's gone folks
It has our cell phone pocket on the the right hand side by the yep by the kangaroo pocket
Classic, uh, it has the nice little like, um, there's like melted plastic magigs on the ends. So they're they're nice
They're not gonna they're not gonna fray We don't have the same kind of frayed stitching
Like there's it's got like kind of a little bit of Kind of roughness to the edges because we want it to maintain the look
But they're it's a little more finished than the original uncle Linus hoodie
All right, cool Thanks, Luke. Great job. Yeah, eventually. Yeah, you got there. I had to figure out where the heck the camera was
All right, so here it is Coach potato hoodie and hot potato hoodie. Oh, yeah, we didn't even show the racing stripes on the one that I'm wearing
And these are probably gone already, um, how'd you wait what Tyler?
How'd you get a is that edited in it looks like it. Yeah
No, wait, no, no, I don't think so When was this?
Oh, this is from forever ago Oh, we've been sitting on these for a while. Yeah
I was like when the heck was oh, this is all the flow plane guys. That's pretty cool
Here, hold on. I'm gonna look slap top Yeah, so, uh
That's an awesome picture. That is an awesome picture actually. So this was when uh, the the flow plane team was up
They'll have Doritos packs Um, the flow plane team was up for the christmas party
So they stay up for like the week instead of just the the one day and then we we all work together locally for a little while
Um, so this is this is the flow plane team sands like the infrastructure people, I guess
We probably should have done a limited run of 690 of these based on how quickly it sold out, but it's gone. Oh, yeah, of course
Maybe next time we'll do like I'm distracted by the flow plane pictures
The reason why I had the page up was I was trying to get one of the pink ones
And then I was like wait what and then I lost it. Yeah, sorry brother
Sorry, brother Darn it every single size is sold out. Well, yeah
I mean, yeah, I mean it's pretty cool, but don't worry. Don't worry. This one is still available
And super comfy All right, let's go ahead and uh, what are we supposed to do next Dan? We have a game to play. Oh, let's play a game
Oh, okay. Sure. Luke
Did I just hit your hand? Sorry You've built a few computers in your heyday. Wow, that's an interesting wording. Wow, but not a few computers recently
I guess. Wow. I mean, that's fairly true I'm gonna adjust it. You've built a few computers in your day
Would you say you'd be pretty good at being able to tell what different pc parts are?
I am going to present you with five different pc components
And you are going to have to correctly identify what each component is down to size and form factor
Fortunately, yikes Each one of the answers can be verified with the useful
Visual references that we have on the LTT mod mat that is releasing next friday, january 17th
Can I help you down? What are you doing? Can I help you?
You can see Linus' discarded chip bags. Yeah
Nice Really? Nice Let's go
I'm gonna go all the way in on that. Oh, okay. No, no, that's fine. Okay. So hand cam. Okay, so we're so we're ready Dan
Okay, so we're gonna go one at a time to use the mod mat. Okay. Oh, hold on
Okay, but let's raise the stakes. Wait, what?
We are going to give 100 random people who signed up for email notifications a chance at a pretty nice discount on the LTT mod
mat No, wait For every part luke gets right. Okay, they get 10 off. Oh, wow. So if you get all five right
100 randomly selected people will get 50 off their mod mat purchase that is below cost
That is well below. I hate to break it to you guys. Um, probably not gonna do that. Great
Okay, let's start nice and easy luke
Here do you want to come get a get a close-up here? Luke what size motherboard is this that one? I think is itx
Well, we can verify Dan. Do you want to go ahead and do the honors?
Sure, uh, this is difficult. No to point it down there. Yeah, no, no, you gotta point it to
And I think I just spent my I think you just used up one of my wrong ones. Really?
That's not itx. What do you mean? That is mini itx. Okay
Okay
Yeah, I was looking at that and just I'm not giving you nothing for that You should give me that one. You get a whole lot of you get a whole lot of no
You get a whole lot of nothing for that one. That one's fine. Nothing that one's fine. Okay next account next
Oh, wow the the script here says all right. That was way too easy
We just want to make sure people got some just you didn't get nothing. I did get it
We just wanted to make sure people got some discounts. Let's turn it up a notch. If Lance doesn't give you the discount. He's a scammer
What type of CPU is this oh, we need the socket type not the actual CPU model number
Is it a I don't think weren't there multiple that would
suit that Well, give us the best answer you can give us give us the best answer you can I'm trying to remember the name of it
I'm I've never been good at this stuff 1150
Sure Okay, Dan. Do you want to go ahead and put it up against the size guide?
Hold on you got to show the people a little closer. Maybe
There we go LGA 11 5x, you know what I'll allow that one. I'll allow that one should be allowed as well
No, that's the wrong name. That's the wrong name because all the different all the different I pointed at the thing
I don't think any reasonable person could be expected to remember the positions of the notches for like 11 56 11 55 11
Okay, all right. All right. I pointed at the thing though. I meant literally that one. Yeah
Well, then I guess you should have said the right thing. Okay. You got one. What is literally not what happened
Okay, why are you against the consumer? You're against the people. Okay
What size is this fan down to the millimeter 92?
Dan
I don't know on that one Dan. You got to point at the
I'm not sure on that one. They're color-coded. See how they're color-coded So it's so it's easy to make sure that you've got them all on the right thing
What's going on Dan? Dan sees he's cooking. Let him cook. Let him cook
Let him cook. Just do one thing and then do the other thing here. Why don't you let me light it up and then
Let me hold the camera. I got you. I got you, Dan There we go. There's two sides to it. There we go. There we go. Okay. Where are we at 92?
92 millimeter. Let's go Okay, let me show that off. Okay. Don't let them get too nauseated. Okay. Sure. Yep fine. Okay good
Okay, let's move away from desktops for a second here Let's imagine you're working on something that you might not always work on. Can you identify?
What type of sodium memory this is? What type of sodium? DDR3 4 or 5
Oh, what?
I would get this but only because we've only ever gotten one sample of memory from intelligent memory
And I just happened to know what it is because it was like super special high cap weird memory
Um, this is I'm this is on the multiple choice where you just you yolo it. I'm going to say ddr4
Okay, let's go ahead and uh, let's go ahead and check
Well, we have color-coded notches. Oh, that's cool
That's on the green Which if you check the legend in the top there, so that one's just a whiff is ddr3
Sorry, Luke. Generally. No idea. Okay. Finally. We have the toughest one. A screw? Yeah
This isn't no, this is easy. I don't know any of the screws. This is easy at all. Really?
Yeah, I've never bothered. How can you not know that? Never cared. I've always thought it was weird that you knew
I'm not even kidding. What? Yeah, I've never cared at all
Oh Okay
Why yeah, what type of screw is this? Oh man, it's an oh, wow
They they actually really threw you man. They threw you a curveball. I gotta I'll say that much you can take it
You can hold it not like I think what type of screw is that the only one that I think I know which is m4
And I don't think is it
Are you guys that is that your final answer? I think that's only
Where's the chart stop looking at? Why why where is it?
Is it under this? No, no, it's under the motherboard that I correctly guessed. You can't look at it. You're not allowed to look at it
My bags say my my my ketchup chips bag says no
I don't think this is it, but I'll say m4 m4. Okay, you know the pc um m like metric screw sizes actually m3
Uh This this was a really tough one though
And the reason that this was so hard
Dan here. I'm actually gonna go over. I'm gonna go over there for a second. I'm just gonna kind of I'm gonna kind of yell
Okay, yeah, or here you know what Dan I'll get you to show it to the people if you want to use one of the uh one of the cams
No, no, you go go over there. I want to show it to them close up
Okay, yeah, so I'll switch to the Linus cam and uh, I'll switch to you can use the you can use the screen next to you to try to focus it
Dan Or that one. Oh, you could also use that screen. Okay, cool
So the reason that this is so hard is because
It has the round top like you would normally have on an m3 computer screw
See that the little kind of uh ring around the top
So it has the circular round top like an m3 should have but the threading is actually 632
So that's a that is a really really tricky one
You would have to be able to identify it by the spacing on the threads that one was brutal
That was never gonna happen. Yeah. No, that's a tough one. So that's probably for a
That's probably for a motherboard That um, or it's probably a motherboard screw for a case that uses 632
But they like Know that the the 632s like with the ribbing on the bottom are really not that ideal for screwing in motherboard
So they went with like the circular top and it's just like oh goodness
That's a random People are asking how the mod mat can tell you that screw and if they can see it. Oh, yeah for sure. We can show that
Yeah, Dan. I'm gonna switch back to the hand cam. Yeah, if you just want to
Hold on hold on. We got to do it with the hand cam. You got to show the people the process. Where's the hand cam?
Yeah, I'll hold it. Okay. Here we go. Okay here here here here here. I'm gonna stabilize here
So Luke's gonna have to talk us through this
Linus is holding a camera
Dan's looking around he's comparing the screws to
Well, he's trying to do something with tweezers. I don't know why he doesn't just use his hands
There we go. So he's he's comparing the screws to the things on the mod mat
He's looking at the thread comparison between what's on the mat and the screw that he's holding. Yeah, okay
So that's basically it. It's it's 632. Yeah. Yeah, and he found the right one
Which is luckily kind of actually the first one. Yeah, so we we have both
We have both indicators. I'm back to the web We have indicators for both like about how long the screws should be and also
Blown up illustrations so you can see what the spacing is kind of supposed to look like to help you identify screws
Not through trial and error because if you put an m3 in a 632 standoff
It'll just like come out and it's like it doesn't really matter
If you if you if your motherboard is like
Wrenched against something like to get it into the back because your back plate is not perfectly aligned like a lot of older cases
The tolerance is pretty far off a 632 will an m3 will hold in a 632 standoff because it'll be like
Pushed against it by the force of the motherboard and it'll kind of catch the threads on the one side
I've experienced that before don't do that But if you put a 632 screw into an m3
It'll thread like three quarters of a turn and then it'll seize and then
You have to like take that out and it'll probably pull the standoff out
So then you have to take out everything else take the whole motherboard out Get a pair of pliers or a little wrench or something take it apart put the standoff back in and then do it again
So it's it's really tedious. It's nicer to just be able to to to check
Tell you what guys. I'll tell you what Jojo
O 227 in the Floatplane chat says luke is correct for the itx question
That last one was pretty that was pretty tough. No, the screw was wrong. That was pretty I got the screw wrong for sure
I was never gonna get it, but that last question was pretty tough. So
so Okay, all right
Because that one I I actually agree that that one was that one's pretty brutal. So let's say four out of five
We'll say four out of five. I'll take four out of five. All right
Um, so that's 40 off for a hundred Lucky people who are signed up at LMG.gg slash mod mat. You guys can still sign up
And qualify to potentially get the 40 off discount
Can I help you you seem concerned I just realized something but I I think I don't say it
Okay Neat
Uh Dan Dan, do you know? what
No, what Did you get oh wait, did he get too wrong aside from the thing I said wait, hold on hold on a second
We need to move on to some additional Oh, we got the RAM wrong. We gotta cover a topic. We got more topics to do
I think you said I think you said the
All right I'm a man of my word if I said 40 off then it's 40 and now you have to pay an extra 40 percent
It's only a hundred orders. It won't hurt that much. All right. That's fine. That's fine. I got the RAM wrong man
Yeah, I was never good at that the only reason the only reason I knew that
I would know desktop. I'd be able to do desktop But the old actually half ddr4 ddr5 desktop would be tough because of how yeah exactly well
Angles Yeah, yeah, I know the the bottom below the fingers below the little golden fingers is shaped differently
I would probably be able to do desktop without too much trouble But laptop I just haven't worked on enough to know where the where the notches are
I would have an issue with four versus five on desktop. I'm just being honest. Yeah
No, that's fair, but that's very yeah three is way off center
And then four and five are both really close to center It's just more the different shape at the bottom of the the blade where it goes in
But since yeah since five came out. I've built very few computers. So like experiencing that difference. Yeah. No, that's fair
That's fair The labels were covered the labels are covered nick nick from the Labs. Like I just checked the labels
Wow, what a guy What a guy
All right next topic Luke. Do you want to pick one? Sure
Should we talk about ces ces 2025? Yeah, topic. Yeah, we could do that
So this is a question for all three of us But can you name your top three products you saw top is not defined here top is tough
Do we say interesting or best? Um interesting is we could do
We could do interesting. I mean I think everyone's definition of interesting is going to be so different. Like I was surprised
I was surprised to see stern there. Yeah, like pinball pinball brand
Just chilling in the in the uh, what was that the central hall? I think it was the like big expensive hall like okay
Yeah, and and dude I got to say as someone who's never torn down a pinball machine
But who definitely appreciates that there is some tech in it. I didn't realize how much tech was in it
They had a really cool demo where they had the front and back side of one of their one of their new tables in
Uh in like an acrylic vertical case So you could see everything moving and lighting up on the front and you could see everything
Actuating and firing on the back and all the PCBs and everything was super cool. Yeah
Yeah, and so it's like this it's this analog experience that is very much enhanced by
By by digital aids. I thought I thought it was great. I thought it was super cool
So I'm I'm gonna say that's I'm gonna say that's that's one of my picks. You're supposed to yeah, you got two more
I go around one. Yeah, let's go. Let's go one at a time Okay, because it gives me time to think about my other two something that I really liked
But it was way too expensive and not quite good enough was a chess robot
Oh, dude, I played it super cool for like two moves. Yeah, but like I got I did see it
I Would never how much was it? Did they say I was in the US dog
so so it So it had a has a little face in the screen and it like says stuff and like thanks you for your match and whatever
And then it has like a robot ARM that actually sit like moves the piece
And then like And so it obviously has some kind of uh near field something in your pieces that uh
Oh, it uses a camera to tell what I think it has a camera. Oh, that's kind of stupid
Well, I would I would just put sensors in the bottom of the board
It has like a little ARM that sticks out I didn't actually ask what it was but it has a little ARM that sticks out and there's a thing that looks down
So I thought it was a camera. Did we look at different chess playing robots? We might have
Sensor robot was the brand that I had looked at sensor robot
Uh, okay, hold on. We might have looked at different chess playing robots
uh Sensor robot Wait, hold on. Is this the one I saw?
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is the one. Okay. Maybe I didn't notice uh, it
Yeah, oh this thing at the top there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I think you're right. I think it does use a camera
Yeah, no, that seems like uh, that seems like an over engineered way to do it, but what do I know?
Cool. Anyway, the point is that um, it's pretty slow
So like dude, I played a full game against it. Yeah, I would have taken forever
It it doesn't have to think at all because you know, yeah
Chess computer Yeah, and it you know that the rating that I had to put it at in order to try to beat it quickly for the video
Was pretty low. So it didn't have to do a lot of calculation. Um
It still took by the time our game was done. It took over 10 minutes just doing its own moves
Yeah, and that means no computation. The second my turn is done. It's moving. It still took over 10 minutes
Yeah, very slow very inefficient as well, which I talked to them about
Yeah, it has like a like a claw that comes down all the way to the bottom of the piece and then goes to like a fixed
Spot and then lifts up on the piece. So it'll kind of slide up on the different sized ones
So they had to design their pieces to have the grabby spot in the same spot for all of them
And so there's a lot of just like opening up way wide and then coming to like the right spot and like
Making sure it's in there because it might not put the piece down in exactly the center, you know, right?
So they they have to build in a little bit of room for error like that So yeah, just I don't know it seems like the kind of thing that's it's definitely a conversation starter
Yes, like if you just have like rich you money and you're just like, yeah, I want a chess robot
If you have rich you money and you want to learn how to play over the board
I think it's honestly a huge benefit. Really? It's a thousand dollars, which is a huge problem
But but my thing is like like I have my dad maybe this cool like he he carved
Chest pieces made a custom wooden chess board for me. Super super sick. I can almost never use it
Because what are the chances that someone is going to be around all the time?
So you want a robot at my rating you want a robot that you can
Just put your board in front of because yeah, this uses its own board would be amazing. Yeah
Um, but like yeah having me because if you play online, right?
You go to move your knight you click on it shows you all the spaces it can go to well, you can turn that off
Yeah, but it's still like even when you do that like I don't know the
The the mental of playing physically over the board is different even like just angle that you're looking at like all it's it's just
It's a very different experience. I'm not a chess player Far too much add for chess
Um, so like I I I can think maybe two turns ahead at maximum and then my brain starts going
Like I I literally can't um, you might enjoy puzzles, but yeah
But so like super super cool. It's just really expensive really slow. I tried to suggest that
Oh, I was going somewhere with that, but my add fizzled out. Um, so the point is that
I'm not at like a level where I would understand like, oh, yeah, you need to like
Learn to play on the board like I just because I don't recognize that doesn't mean it's not valid
That's totally valid. I guess there's even a small thing where like if you're playing in an over the board tournament
You have a physical clock And your timer stops not when you finish your move when you hit it
Yeah, and this chess robot when you're done your turn you press the button
So you have to physically move the piece and then press the button
Which is actually gonna give you actual genuine practice for how you play in a tournament except that in a tournament
Your opponent is also going to be on the clock and they're not going to take 3 000 years to move their pieces
And you'll have a lot more time to calculate while it's moving, which is bad. Yeah
Um, and like I suggested Right now if it takes a piece
It will it will you know the motor starts it moves over the board. It lowers down
It picks up your piece. It raises up It moves it over to where it's gonna to deposit on the side it lowers down
It releases it it lifts back up it moves back over it picks up its piece by going down
It comes back up it moves it to where it's gonna go It goes back down like if it gets mad does it huck it at you? I wish it did
Um, but I wish it would slide
So I wish it would grab it and then slide it to where it's supposed to go if it has a clear path
And then allow you to pick up your piece that has been taken out and move it to the side
That would be faster But I it would be like a disaster if people don't know to do that. So I get it. I don't know
I wish there was ways that could make it a lot smarter
But uh, but yeah, that was I thought that was pretty neat because I haven't seen anything like that before
I think there's different versions of it, but I haven't seen anything like that before Farrowan asks I've only been here for six or seven years. Has Luke ever finished a sentence before Linus started talking?
I don't think so I don't know. That's the wancho
People there was like there was a thread on reddit. Welcome to the wancho. A while ago
He just keeps going now too. So it doesn't bother me really there was a thread on reddit a while ago
That was like sympathizing with me about it. I'm like, dude. I don't even think about it anymore. Like it doesn't
It doesn't bother me at all I don't know
There's like there's there's quite a few people in my life that have
Pretty intense adhd and it's like if you either like
Let it bother you all the time or you just get over it and I just I got over it
Yeah, luke has adapted exactly like it just who cares. He's reached his next form
Yeah, we'll either we'll either come back to that thought or we won't it's fine
Doesn't matter conversation will move on
Um, what were we supposed to be? Oh, yeah, Dan yours you're up So my my top one is I think a probably a bit of a weird one. I think I was telling luke about this as well
Um, I was walking around the show. It's my first time
I have no real desire to find a lot of the fun stuff
And I saw this really cute like chibi wall like narwhal walrus kind of logo
At a table in the back rooms of some random hall
I don't even know which one it was and their their company name is like fun something or other and it's really like cartoony
And then I look over on their third one and it's like hey, I kill walls
Uh kill net for for a military industrial complex and it's like
The biggest whiplash. I think I've ever got it's like
Death from above from drones from the cute narwhal company
I don't think you had told me about that. Oh, okay
Well, so that's my CES basically weird pick. Okay, uh for number two
I'm gonna go with You know what that I mean, there's a reason I made a video about it that high sense tv is sick with the with the mini led with the RGB
Mini led backlight. Yeah And I think the best way that I could explain it. I already did in the video
Very few people watched that video. It was a terrible performer But whatever we're gonna get our hands on it and we'll do a funny vlog that I guess will engage people more
Where we'll you know have it almost fall over or whatever And if that's what I have to do to get people to learn about cool tech, then I'll do it
But the the backlight of this thing is incredible So instead of using a white or like a blue backlight and then using that to excite quantum dots to emit light
Which is quite an efficient process. They are just not even bothering with the conversion in the first place
And they are using RGB individual leds instead of white or blue individual leds at the back to
massively ramp up the color saturation. So instead it's kind of like
It's kind of like w o led versus RGB o led in terms of color saturation and and lg
Still has advantages with w o led in terms of brightness, for instance
Or at least that was true a generation or two ago the last time I sort of compared them side by side
Um But there is there is no doubt an advantage in terms of color saturation to just
Not having the white or like the other parts of the spectrum that need to be filtered out
So if you can take your red pixel Uh on your tomato on screen or you know your sports car or whatever it is
And instead of shining a white light through that red pixel of your lcd layer you shine a red light through it
It's Shut up siri
It is it it is just outstanding. It's it's incredible. It's it's the kind of thing you really have to see to believe and it looks
great The fact that it's only on their 116 inch tv this year is sort of a downer. I do understand why it's
Very computationally intensive and I think they're just kind of waiting for it to it to get a little bit more economical
Before they can bring it to the rest of the line. I mean that's something high sense It's been pretty good about in the past is
Intro-ing really cool technology and then either killing it like they did with their dual lcd layer thing that I would love to use for
Round two of world's brightest by the way. I saw your suggestions. Don't worry. That was already on our radar
Their dual cell. Uh, so it had two lcd layers so they could filter the black way better
Like that just never happened But I think it never happened not because they gave up but because they found something better
So they're they're many Many local dimming zone technology and their last gen outstanding. They had the 40 000 zones and then this RGB backlight looks oh man
It looks So good. Um, and I think in the past, right? I was going somewhere with that
They've done a pretty good job of introducing cool new tech and as long as it sticks around
Letting it waterfall its way down to things that are more affordable And I I think their mainstream tv lineup in like a couple of years their mini led with RGB backlight stuff is going to be
Just outstanding just killer
For me my next one and this is definitely on the interesting side of things not the favorite side of things
Oh, hold on one quick question from pyro pinky, but how does it make white?
With all three going at the same intensity so the same way that a current RGB led makes white
Yeah, um, it's just that you can just fire one of them and still get that incredible brightness
So you get that saturation and that brightness. It's so good. Okay, go ahead. Uh, yeah next one
I really wanted to try it and they were letting people try it and do demos, but there was a a lifting exoskeleton
Um, and I was able to try it. Uh, it like really barely fit me to to strap the thing to my thighs was like
It was at its maximum length Wow, what a humble flex there. Yeah, yeah
But it did work it it had a lifting assistance capacity of 30 kilograms
And then they had like a water bag there. Um that weighed 25 kilograms so you could try it out. Um
It was 9 000 us dollars It had a battery on it that would last between five and eight hours, but the battery was removable
So you can take one battery out plug another one in use that one to charge. Um
I genuinely think it was like Really bad and I I I tried to be kind of light on it when we we filmed our little like short thing
And the longer time has passed since I've used it the worse
I think it is the more like I think about the concept. So you have these like, um
There's these like straps that come down your arms and then you have these like hooks
So you you have the hook in your palm and you hook it under whatever you're picking up
So if it's like a box you put the the hook in like the the handle portion of the box
Sure already an issue if the box doesn't have handles. Um
Already an issue because if you have to try to hook it on to the bottom
It might like puncture up into the box. So the hooks are like
A bit of an issue automatically But let's say the thing that you're picking up is perfect for the hooks because the water bag was pretty good for it
I Automatic so I you know, I pick up the thing without the exoskeleton so I can feel it before and after
Um, I go to picks it up pick it up with the exoskeleton
And I I do it like how I would normally pick something up, right? Right bend at the knees keep your back straight
Yeah, all that kind of stuff I then pick it up and I'm like, well
Didn't really seem like it did much because you're lifting properly
So it's like designed to help you if you like don't lift properly if you just use your arms the guy tells me
Don't bend your knees Just bend at the hips and do like the worst thing you could possibly do
So I'm like, uh, okay for demonstration purposes. I will do that and then I felt it in my back
Like I'm fine. Obviously it was too late to matter. That's not obvious, but like
Yeah, fair enough. I mean you injured yourself a lot recently. Yeah, but like it was
I just I'm doing this. I'm like it doesn't fully lift it for you. Yeah, it helps
Yeah, so now you're in like the worst compromised position you can be in and maybe you're getting some help
But you'd be better off just learning to lift properly. Yeah, like what if it runs out of battery in the middle of that? Yeah
I mean theoretically that shouldn't happen, but also like stuff happens. Maybe
Uh, and it like it does weigh something. So now you're carrying around this thing
Which like will maybe sometimes help you. Okay. I don't know. It was uh, the one thing that I thought it did do well
Um, was the guy switched what mode it was in and it just got completely rigid
So like if you had to be leaned over working on something for a long time
It can help you keep good posture and it can take some of the the load off of your your back muscles in your spine
Um, so I did think that was actually kind of cool. Um
But like man Uh, I don't know. Sammy and I were talking about it and we were like, you know
Anything that's going to like help reduce workplace injuries like cool, you know, that sounds great
But for a nine thousand dollar thing that to use properly you have to put yourself in a compromising position
I don't believe that's actually happening. Um, so anyways, I thought it was interesting first time I've tried something like that
But yikes, I don't think it's uh, kaboom pow says as someone who just finished doing a bunch of drywall
It would be amazing to have an exoskeleton to help hold up the sander
So yeah, they had a different model for that. Okay, where it supported your arms. This one didn't do anything for your arms
It was your back and your legs. Um And that one looked maybe a little bit more legit got it. Um
I don't know. I think it really depends on your use case. I also think if you were like a lot smaller
And a lot weaker it might have been more beneficial. Wow called out
but but seriously because like Meaning to bend over that much because this was like a very small bag on the ground
Yeah, so needs to do like a a hip hinge all the way down to pick that up
Put me in a pretty sketchy spot But if it wouldn't have put you in a pretty sketchy spot then and and it would have actually helped you then, you know, maybe it's better
um I don't know
all right, Dan Okay, let's see number two. I got to look at a bit of a development board for a new communication
Model and uh, it looks like GPU enclosures for laptops. What are they called i gpus?
e gpus e gpus new enclosures are going to be pretty incredible and be able to run some
Pretty insane stuff with single cable. Yeah, Thunderbolt 5 looks sick. No, I think it was uh, yeah new usb or something like that
Yeah, yeah Thunderbolt 5 basically. Yeah Thunderbolt 4 2.0. I hate it drives me nuts. Um, yeah, well our usb
No, I think usb has actually cleaned up their branding. I was reading a blog post or something
That would be nice usb new branding. I think they're going back to just
Yeah, here. This is on arse Says goodbye to confusing branding. Oh wait, this is from 2022
um
Yeah when oh When it comes out usb 4 versions so they still have the stupid names
I see but the branding is apparently getting or has been or has been getting cleaned up. Yeah. Yeah, so that's good. Um
Kind of nice. Yeah. So anyway, yeah usb 4 80 gigabit is uh, is is the one uh from talking to uh,
one of our ASUS contacts about it apparently not all 80 gigabit is
Going to be uh usable for any GPU. It's probably closer to like three quarters of it
Which is actually less than their old
um, oh man, what did they call it?
The one on the rog ally
Oh, no, su c GPU standard. I'm just gonna look it up
Xg mobile. That's right. It's actually a little lower bandwidth than xg mobile, but
It's hopefully enough. Um, and hopefully see hopefully makes having any GPU somewhat, you know viable again with that said
Oh, okay. We're gonna have to get into like sponsors at some point here
And we're gonna have to finish this topic. Uh, but I think that AMD's ryzen ai max
series ai max plus and ai max another topic might make
The idea of having a thin and light for being on the go and then like having an e GPU station to dock into
Just I don't know. Maybe just kind of not even worth it. Mike. Uh, I don't know
Well, we'll talk about it later first. Uh, is it my turn again? I want to interject for a second fogal br in fobling jet said world of concrete trade show in vegas is where more
Applicable versions of assist devices are shown off for tradespeople. Yeah to be clear. I'm not saying this was like a good one
Yeah, it was just one we checked out. Yeah Yeah, though our favorite things that the show has turned into just stuff. We thought was interesting to talk about
okay, I'm gonna get you to go next because Um, my next one actually has a live demo
Okay, I'm gonna go get it. Uh, sure mine my next one. I think would be
at one of the Intel rooms where we saw a new
Media over Thunderbolt thing where you can essentially have a streaming pc
That's just connected through Thunderbolt. So you don't need capture cards. Did you see that dad?
No, no, I did not. Yeah, I don't I don't know a ton about it
We didn't talk about it for a super long time because there was like another group
What do you mean connected by a Thunderbolt just Thunderbolt to Thunderbolt two different computers Thunderbolt plugged into one
Same cable plugged into the other as a desktop transfer for games video and audio across
So you're like using a computer as a mic
But it is a sun and timing pc so that you can like separate your
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That'd be really nice So it's the same kind of idea before of having a whole capture card and everything but now you just buy a cable
Oh, which is like pretty sick. Actually, that's actually awesome
No capture card, but need a whole system Yeah, but in the previous scenario you also needed a whole system. It's not that's not what that's not that is nothing to do
With the uh with the conversation. Yeah, and setting that up is really complicated. Yeah, Thunderbolt share
People are saying Thunderbolt share. Yeah, so Thunderbolt share used to as far as my understanding go
Goes just share video But now it will do audio as well meaning that you could you could essentially replace your streaming pc
Which is like pretty sick actually neat. Yeah
Yeah I know, you know having a dedicated streaming pc is a lot less popular these days
um But yeah
Hit me Dan What was my third?
Yeah, uh, can I be can I be like lame and say constellation?
What or at least whatever the hell the NVIDIA was talking about with constellation. Does that count as a product?
Via constellation It's an uh a new thing that they're tacking on to the army warriors platform this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, sure
Um Autonomous vehicle validation platform not even just autonomous vehicle, but I mean
Just the the kind of video gen straight out of omniverse
So you've trained your model in omniverse and it's done on like, you know crappy 3d models
um And then you would have to retrain it when you put it into the real world now
You can just create generative video that looks like real world camera vision
right inside of
Omniverse and cosmos so then you just transplant the digital brain into the real one and it's pretty much good to go
Kind of spooky Very cool
All right My mine is
One that I actually brought away with me. Oh my
And um, ah, yes good here it is
um It's not so much that the product category is anything new or honestly, maybe even that exciting to you
Okay But it's how polished these have gotten over the last little while I like want one
I'm just trying to buy my time. No. No. This is not it. Oh, this is the original rog ally
This is my daily driver. Yeah, I don't mean that in particular. I mean a handheld. Oh sure sure sure, but that's not that's not it
Yeah, okay. Um, so yeah, I fun fact. I dropped this in the bath
Um, it still works a week ago. Yeah I put it behind my server to dry out and it like 100 survived somehow
Yeah, it turned off like immediately. There's absolutely
zero ingress protection. So, uh, this
is The real and real
That's from xreal actually. I don't know why it says n real on it. Okay. Um, okay, so this is their new
What is it reality pro? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on
I just want to make sure I get the the name right Um last time we talked about a product similar to this you and I were both
publicly trashing it on video. So okay, so this is the the x real one pro
It looks like yeah, this is the this is the one. Yeah, okay
okay, um And I'm gonna I've got like a bomb shell to drop because I'm gonna I'm gonna demo these for someone else
On monday. Okay, and it's gonna be pretty cool. Anyway, the point is
Super easy to use. Oh, no way you basically just
Pop it in here. Okay You fire up. Uh, you fire up a game on your system. Give me a second. I'm just gonna get logged in here
What's impressive about this to me or what stood out about it to me
was how Bloody good they've gotten because
You've you've tried AR glasses slash personal theater glasses slash, you know, whatever in the past. I think
Um, what should I what should I give him to play? Oh, maybe a game that he never plays
How about final fantasy six? We could go with that. No, here. I'll throw you I'll throw you in tape to tape. Yeah
I feel like just for that I should spoil your the person you're gonna talk to you, but I won't
You wouldn't Okay, let me get this fired up here
AMD anti leg you look like you like drank too much. Yeah, here we go. Okay
Now I'm gonna See this button that I'm pressing on the top here. Okay. Hold on. Is that volume or something? No, no, no
Okay Okay, okay. I'm gonna get a T like this. I'm gonna hand you the controller first controller first. Here you go
Hey to be clear These are not AR glasses. These are more like personal theater
Glasses these are a screen that you can just you know wear on your face, but that looks like a giant theater screen
I think this one is set to I want to say like 155 inches
And four meters away or something like that right now. Okay from the front
You you can't really see anything from anywhere. No one can see
No one can see anything of what you're watching. So go ahead and put these on
and then just like Tell me what you think
Whoa, okay that's uh
An immediate improvement over ones that I've used in the past. Okay. You haven't even seen the best yet
So here go ahead grab your grab your controller. Whatever they're doing to like
Float the screen around when you look around feels a lot nicer as well. Okay, so you got your controller and everything. Okay
Yeah, that's nice. I hadn't even darkened the glasses yet. Yeah, so they've got electro electrochromic whatever
It's very clear. You're so far from your mic. He has no idea where he even is anymore because he's in his own world
We have a giant gaming screen in front of him. We have the handheld one now. We might even be able to show some
video through the Glasses some video through the glasses. Sorry what?
Oh, no, no, you can't see it, which is pretty cool. No one can see what you're watching
Uh, there's speakers built into the the arms on the glasses
Um, this is actually usable. I I've I've tried a few of these in the past that we're like
They were trying to sell them as actual products, but in in all reality, they were tech demos
Um, and this feels like I could understand someone actually buying this for real if I do this
It'll lock the location of the screen So you can look around it's actually sick. So it'll kind of like the apple vision pro
It'll freeze it with that said it still comes with you this way
There are challenges I wasn't able to use it in this mode on the plane because it seems to be gyroscopic
There's no cameras on it for for inside out spatial tracking. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely still have thoughts
There's definitely still progress. Oh, yeah in terms of the visual quality
Even like look into a light
Well, oh right There you go
Yeah, I mean I can technically see the light, but honestly it doesn't bother me
It's very very usable, which is pretty cool. Which is pretty cool
It's still feel this like You know the the previous versions of this felt like tech demos. This now feels like
Cool, but early adopter It's a real product though. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, um 100
That's wicked. Yeah, that gets my that gets kind of my
Award for finally being a thing that I would show
A normie relative or something like that and say hey
Have you considered this and you can plug it to you just plug it into your phone?
You plug it into your your pc and it just is it has no on and off button
It's just powered off of the usbc port and you just watch a movie
Yeah, you just play a game. Yeah on a giant screen that you just bring with you
It's a bad or game in bed with one of those would be actually pretty wicked pretty cool
I definitely have some feedback. I don't know if we're going to do a full review
I hadn't really planned to but a lot of you guys are like asking questions about it now
So, I mean, yeah, maybe maybe it would justify a full review. It's for pre-order now
You know, never never pre-order something without checking out reviews though, blah blah, etc. This is not a review
What it is Is an opportunity for me to tease something that's pretty exciting
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No way. I also saw like the world's tiniest water-cooled computer. It was about the size of a
I don't know deca cards in a little tiny case little tiny little water cooling tubes
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Then who knows what she might approve in the future? You just need to make sure you're ready for it
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What what what is it 2.1? 2.1 2.1 b. I think it is. Yeah
What was it 90 gigabit per second or something stupid like that? Well, whatever
When the time comes to you know run new wiring from anywhere you can think of to anywhere else you can think of
You're gonna thank yourself for for having conduit
Um Yeah, and then you can fall back on the like, you know, we made the smart investment last time
So we could do this more easily in the future. So realistically
What the ask is is it's for this higher price, but because what we did before it's actually it's actually lower
It's been a way we're saving money And you go that way
Do we want to be was the longer cable?
I don't know. Yeah, is it 2.2. I don't know whatever the new one is apparently it's 96 gigabit per second
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Linus, are you excited about the new anno game? I loved medieval total war rom and looking forward to pax romana
What I did not know that it was announced
June 11th Anno 117 pax romana is the newest city building game
I'll be really interested to see what they do with this era because man
1800 was such a so good good
Era there was so much you could do with like sea and land and just I don't know there's
I mean I The anno team just kills it
Time after time after time. So I would never count them out But I will say that um, you know victorian era is more interesting to me. I mean, I don't know roman era is pretty cool
To it's like I say they definitely have boats and stuff like yeah, you can still do
Do you know what game I've put more hours into in the last week than any other?
lords of the realm two What is that exactly I thought you're gonna say final fantasy just don't come in again
No, no, no, I haven't played any final fantasy. I I picked it up on steam. Oh, dude. Yeah, dude
This is this is an old steam 10 out of 10 though. It's an old game. It's
Still really good It's still really good. I was playing it with my son and he was like having fun with it
This it's from like 1996 or something. Yeah. Yeah. What year is it from? Did I nail that? Yeah, you did man. I'm good
Okay, anyway I was 10 when this game came out and it's it's surprisingly
Deep and fun still So I I played through a few missions in the campaign and it's hard
Like it's hard. It is very unforgiving
um That's fun. You it's it's a combination rts
and uh turn-based Like uh like civilization management. I was gonna say this screenshot. Maybe immediately think of sieve one
Which I think is like a similar time frame
Oh, sieve one was pre 1996 when did sieve one come out?
1991 yeah, okay. Yeah, that makes more sense. Yeah, that's like sieve two was yeah, the mapping
Yeah, sieve two is pretty rough sieve two was when I got into it
Um, I I think sieve one would have been a little rudimentary for me
To get into I've played all of them. Really? Yeah, what's your favorite then?
um I think
four Really five five
five Not six but five
I understand why people like six. I have issues with six. It is what it is. I'm excited about seven
I'll play every single one. It is what it is poor daga says. I came out in 1996 dude
The number of people that walked up to me this year that were like full-ass grown adults that were like
I've been watching your videos since I was a kid
We are coming up on the five-year anniversary of the I'm thinking about retiring stream. Yeah
It's in like a week and a half or something. That was when you had been deep in it so long you were thinking about retiring
How was that five years ago when will it have been longer
From the I've been thinking about retiring stream then when you filmed that the beginning of the company
Oh, wow Like when will that be the halfway point only like a couple more years? Yeah, that'll be crazy. Yeah, no kidding
Okay
There are a few more a few more I think Uh, right. So should I finally should I finally tell them? Yeah leak it. Let's go
Let's go. Wait. Where'd it go? Where'd my tab go? I lost my tab. Uh, I will
I will get I will get the new tab. Um
Here we go You know, I had a I had a better I had a better version of this tab that was working better for me
But I guess it kind of is what it is
Uh, let's see if this works. Oh, yeah, they don't have my uh, they don't have my thing here anyway
So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go on like
Oh, um, you're just gonna go on I'm just gonna go on NBC.com. It's random website. Um, yeah
This is a show people might know. Oh weird. It's an eight show
Starring, I mean one of the jimmies jimmy something. Uh, right, right, right, right. Oh the racer youtuber. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
And uh, okay this week. Oh, yeah, they had some some people you might have heard of, you know, Pamela Anderson
We know whatever else little baby. Um, and then on on monday, they've got a show coming with, uh
Wait, who's that? Wait, who's that guy? What was he doing? What no way?
They're got that what the heck they're gonna have what they're gonna have this guy's gonna be on fallon. What's going on?
Are you kidding me? Um, they didn't have a picture of you not yet not yet
There aren't very many on the internet, but when the picture goes up, it'll be worth it
Oh, okay. Um, all right. All right So I will be doing the demo of the x-ray glasses. Are you bringing other stuff? Yeah, nice. I'm bringing a little touch of ces
to the studio on the tonight show, um, sweet and
This has already been announced. So I I'm not I'm not breaking any embargoes or anything here
But you guys may have kind of casually noticed who one of the other guests is
Um bad bunny will be co-hosting the show
So I'll be bringing a touch of ces to both jimmy fallon and bad bunny getting them to try out some cool products
Check out some cool demos When we told because this came together
really fast like I I
Basically heard from them and they were like, hey, you're like at ces, right?
I was like, yeah, I'm a little busy. What's up, you know
And they're like, oh, how about this? Yeah, and so when I started going to brands and saying like, hey, yeah, I know, you know
Working with us you like doing that or whatever, but what if there was a whole other level?
It was amazing how quickly People started moving. Yeah to get us what we need to to make this a really cool experience. I think it's going to be
Super cool. I've got A bunch. This is just this is one of five or six things that I'm going to be doing
I don't know what'll make it into the final cut. Uh, but basically I'm just going to be like
I kind of I asked them. I was like, okay, so like, how do I do this?
Because I've never I've never done like real tv before, you know, yeah
And they're just like just do your thing and like I get it
I mean, obviously jimmy's entire job is making everyone look good
you know like he so I'm
I'm sure he's going to do his professional thing like there's a reason that these guys
Guys like this have been on tv for a bazillion years
Like luke and I have encountered this a number of times. I think you remember when we had tom merit on the wancho
You're gonna say yeah, and chris perilla for that matter. Well where they just came on
And we're like, oh So there's like a whole other tier of like entertainer media personality
And this whole youtuber thing is like it's quaint and it's like relatable, but it's not because we're the best at this
It's because we're relatable. I guess. Um, so I'm I'm not worried. I'm sure he's going to do a great job of making it seem like
I'm doing a great job
But I am still a little out of my element, right?
Um, so I'm asking them. I'm like, okay. Well, how do I do this? And they're like just look we we want someone who kind of you know brings the energy to it
And it's the same thing that I always tell people, right? They're like just have fun and it'll be fun
And I'm like, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So it's basically the same thing same thing different size of camera
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah the the live audience is a little stressful
Because it's not something I do. I'm very comfortable. You've done that before though performing in front of a glass lens
But it's it's different and I'm a little rusty. I agree. I'm a little rusty. It is definitely different. So I'm I'm excited
I'm excited Um, are you gonna get any like media training or anything? Like do they prep the guests at all?
They gave me a couple, you know a couple basics, but they're like, yeah
Pretty much, you know, we we scoped you out like just yeah, I use
How do you get tickets to watch this?
Shut up. Don't even Don't even
Hey, look, I need to uh request a vacation time approval
Hey, jay Hey, jay
I want to go. How do I go? You really
You really do not need to go for that. What day is it? What day is it? It's on monday
I told myself I would never fly home from ces and immediately fly back out and I'm totally doing it
Oh, it's sold out. No way. Okay. Well, if you're not if you don't already have a ticket, you're not going
Dang. Well, look, do I have a surprise for you?
But yeah, I I thought about it right because like obviously it's
Kind of inconvenient Um, yeah, but it's one of those things that was not on my bucket list because it never occurred to me
That that would even be a thing and okay. I don't want
You're part of the group of people that sort of killed old media
Well, okay
But it's like But it's still cool. It's genuinely very cool. It kind of makes me like I okay
I don't want this to come across the wrong way, but like
part of me Like part of me is like, yeah, this this is like completely not my world. I can't believe I'm being invited into this world
This is so cool. And then the other part of me is kind of like
Get please don't take this the wrong way. But like, how did this take you so long?
You know, like what where where was my invitation five years ago? Anytime you wanted to talk about tech like how
How was I not on the list at least, you know, yeah
And I've had a couple instances where like movie productions have reached out and been like, hey, yeah, we might have like a
role for like a like a you know, a geek guy or something like that and would you be interested in doing like a like a
little cameo appearance or something like that but
Surprisingly little like it just seems like such an obvious
To the audience that I just I don't really understand why it hasn't happened more
I've always kind of wondered like is it is it the canadian?
Like you're not an american I doubt it. You're not in york or cali because the thing is like I don't even just mean for myself like
There's there's lots of other tech creators that are american that are a huge deal or whatever
And they're surprisingly little tag Ryan Reynolds. This is not this is not
What about Ryan Reynolds? It's not the point. It's not related. Yeah. Yeah, no
Okay, sorry. I just Yeah, that's not what we're talking about. Anyway. Yeah. No, I'm I don't know. I think it's cool. He's canadian. I know he's canadian
He's not he lives like an hour away or something. Um
We're talking about a cameo thing of a creator. We're not talking about an actor and there have been times when like
You know, like a movie is loaded up with online influencers and stuff like that
But why only then like why why not why not why not leverage the notoriety of of these people?
Like it just seems kind of obvious to me, but I think part of that is just that
I don't know to that world. It doesn't seem obvious. I mean
Even how this happened it sounds like it was just kind of random like someone someone on the team
Like like new, you know, what was a viewer and it's like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, it just it seems like the kind of thing that
Um, yeah, I just cool. Yeah, but I never had any kind of
Of expectation Or hope or bucket list and so even though it is is very inconvenient and was actually a ton of work for the team
I want to just Take a little bit of time To to shout out the team the procurement team like Dylan was running around all over the show floor
Andrew ended up doing an like extra few hours of shooting with me to to get some footage for like a little sizzle of like what is ces?
That maybe they'll use or maybe they won't like who knows, right? Like we're we're all new to this, right?
James here in home base was coordinating like all
Like all kinds of moving parts and has been coordinating with their producers on the tonight show
I feel I really feel bad if there's anyone that I'm
Kind of forgetting right now. Oh the writing team contributed to just like throwing in leads for stuff that we could
Go follow up with the brands and see because because
The backup plan they were like, yeah, we'd love to have you on we'll just have you on the couch
Just talk about ces and I was like, okay
You want to be the the like animal handler? This is probably my one. This is probably my one time. I'm gonna do this, right?
Well, let's smash it. Let's do it right. Yeah, right like let's let's
Let's do it like we do it and so I was like, okay. Well
What if I could pre-film segments and we could watch them together would that be cool?
And they're like, oh, yeah, that'd be way better. And I was like, okay
What if we could bring ces to you? And they're like, whoa
Like that wasn't what they were really expecting because it was really really quick turnaround. Um, and so the the team really like
Really stepped up filling in docks with with leads the business team actually did a ton of work to make this happen
Because a lot of the time they coordinate with the brand. So even though, you know, it's not a paid deal or whatever
It's uh, it's it's still coordinating through their contacts, right off the hook for the one sponsor tonight then
Is that redeem them? Okay
Okay, yeah, all right. Yeah
How do you know that it was just in three times the length like maybe they talked about three products
Um Maybe they got to talk about three products. Maybe maybe
I don't know. I'm I'm I'm It's cool really nervous way more nervous than I probably should be people keep trying to talk me off the ledge
But I'm just like But I'm I'm I'm excited. I'm excited. I think it's going to be really fun
I feel like you'll probably be nervous until you're flowing and then you'll be fine. Well
I sucked on the roast It's sort of something that's in the back of my in the back of my brain
Like I was I was trying to Convey that it had been kind of exhausting getting like roasted like that the whole time
And I ended up just sounding like kind of weird and out of breath the whole time So I think what I need to do is I just need to
You know just the classic stage performer rules. Yes smile lots
Keep your energy level up Don't stop talking
I I was telling the producer guy because I was like, okay, so like, you know
Can you give me any any like tips? He's like, no, don't worry. You're gonna you're gonna be great
Just, you know, Jimmy's gonna intro you do a little bit of like who the heck are you back and forth and then from there on
You know you run the show Just don't stop talking and and and and keep it moving and I'm like
That didn't take the pressure off at all
So I'm driving this and but apparently yeah, I just I just kind of drive it and his job is to
React and make it relatable and be funny and do what he does and make me look good, right? So
It should be good To be clear. That's the thing you're good at though
Wow Like that's honestly, you'll probably do better in that scenario than if he was trying to run the show and you had to
Find the slots to jump in on Like if you just get to run, I think you'll be all right
This engine works better with a lot of gas it's one of those things where it's like realistically
It's not even a bigger audience than I normally talk to yeah to be honest like it whatever yeah
But it's a completely different audience. This is like my first impression
It's getting smaller every day probably millions of people. Sorry, Jimmy
Don't clip that either
We're even unmuted for that Oh
Okay Anyway
Audio Gary says no Linus will be there. Heck yeah. All right. Thanks guys
I tried Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah take his or soul
Honestly I don't this might come across
I don't know how this is going to come across and I might change my mind later
But my initial gut reaction to that is I'm actually kind of glad
Yeah, I think that I think that knowing there were like
Potential like like regular viewers or like super fans in the audience would actually put a lot more pressure on me
And in some ways, I think I'd be I'd be happier
Knowing that it's just a bunch of like random tonight show viewers in the audience
Like a bunch of a bunch of bad bunny fans because like I noticed that this particular episode was sold out
But like the rest of the week was not the other ones were yet. That's gonna be bad bunny. That's
That ain't me. Um, he's kind of a big deal
All right Um, yeah, yeah, everyone's everyone's like, yeah, yeah, that that's it because there it seems like in chat
There's the people who have no idea who bad bunny is and then there's the people who are like, yeah, that's like
Huge. Yeah, okay. Yeah Uh, okay
Why don't we uh, what what what else are we supposed to
What else are we supposed to do today Dan left and whenever he leaves I feel completely adrift
It's always at the worst possible time. Yeah
I think we're supposed to do topics. I think pretty sure we're supposed to do topics. Okay. Let's do some topics
Do you want to talk about AI max? Yeah
Yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah So our our headline here is why is no one talking about Ryzen AI max?
Um, well, I can tell you right now part of the reason is AMD is phenomenally stupid branding
Uh, what is Excuse me. What is Ryzen AI max and Ryzen AI max plus genuinely hate that
How does that compare to Ryzen five and seven and and nine and Ryzen AI 300 and Ryzen 200
What the f*** is any of this stuff AMD and it sucks because this product
Is sick that
Uh, here, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up the you want to see the specs. I'm gonna bring up the video
Okay, no, I want to bring up the you want to see the specs. I have it perfectly lined up. I want to bring up the actual video here
um Okay, LTT here. We're gonna fire this up on Floatplane. Okay, so ASUS was showing off their their new
Z13 gaming tablet with the Ryzen AI max processor and here we go. Here we go. So I've got
Uh, black myth wukong running Here we go. We'll go full screen
This is integrated graphics. Okay
On a 14th. I forget if it was 1440p or 1600p. I think it's 1600p
Not the easiest game to run either. Don't quote me on that but and I was using resolution scaling
So I'm probably running it at about 1080p worth of pixels
On about medium settings
but guys This is integrated
graphics This thing is incredible super thin laptop
Super thin here. You can actually oh, I write right as I put it down here. Hold on. I'll go back barely runs on my 4090
That's a tablet. Okay. What this thing is flipping wild
So they had it it can run at I think AMD rates at it anywhere from 45 watts to 120 watts or something like that
So, um, yeah, we didn't make a video about this one because I was just there to see the new lenovo legion go s
but in AMD's booth They had an hp
Like thin and light that honestly was not that much thicker and not that much heavier than my snapdragon x machine
That had that had a Ryzen ai max in it that was running at I want to say
55 watts instead of the the 80 watts max in that in that like gaming tablet
And like what I was saying earlier on the show I I obviously
It doesn't give you the upgrade ability of an e GPU solution where you can like slot in a new graphics card down the line
Right, especially if your CPU is kind of still good enough That's super cool
And that's still totally valid having a thin and light laptop with a good CPU in it
And then using an e GPU when you dock to get the performance
But if you could have this level of performance
All the time at an even somewhat reasonable price because AMD has integrated everything onto one package
Wow super cool. It's and I I ended up going off on one of my just like rants that has nothing to do with the people listening to it in the booth
Because I was like this is what AMD fusion was supposed to be
All those years ago AMD Like I saw this stupid interview where some stupid interviewer asks an AMD executive if like
The apple m4 was an inspiration for this chip and i'm sitting here going AMD had this vision 10 years ago
10 years ago. They talked about fusion
10 years ago or 12 or whatever they coined the term apu accelerated processing unit or advanced processing
I forget what it stands for But this idea of having a powerful CPU and powerful GPU that are integrated together and then for 10 years
They sat on their butts and didn't build it
They didn't build it and so
To their to their credit. I don't remember who the interviewer was But there was some some validity to the question too because AMD even said like yeah
Apple kind of proved the market case for it, but it was like why did you guys announce it?
Why did you announce fusion and then never build it if you didn't think there was a market for it?
And I already know the answer the answer is they had no money They were a
walking husk of a company for years and years and years, but that
We're finally seeing it this right here. This
Is the point Of the ati acquisition
This is why they acquired a proper graphics company a proper pc graphics company so that they could crush
Intel in integrated graphics and potentially
Invalidate the entire low end of the market for their competitor NVIDIA
Because NVIDIA isn't going to sell a single
40 60 and I haven't seen the performance of the mobile 50 60
So I have no idea, but if I could buy this where I don't have to deal with
Cludgy um Oh, what's what's it what's it called the NVIDIA feature where it switches between the integrated graphics and the dedicated graphics the power saving thing
Yeah, I don't remember help me out here if I don't if I don't have to if I don't have to deal with cludgy switching between integrated graphics
and dedicated graphics If I could just have it on one chip that can run in a power saving mode optimus optimus. That's right. Thank you. Thank you for that
um I'll just take this
Even if it cost me even if it does cost me a little bit of performance. I
Love it. I think this was the biggest thing. Everyone's talking about like the the radion
90 70 or whatever or like some some of the other stuff. I think Ryzen ai max
horrendous branding aside Is by far by far the most important product that AMD showed off at ces this year and that should have been this should have been like
The star of the show that hp laptop is sick. This gaming tablet is
Sick the ability so they've gotten unified memory
So the ability to just like fire up armory crate Allocate a hundred gigabytes of RAM. It uses a quad channel memory controller
Like this thing is sick So you put a hundred gigs of RAM on your GPU and like yeah, it's not the most powerful GPU
But you could still run a decent size model. Yeah
Right a pretty extremely slowly, but like a very decent size model in this in this
That's pretty nuts I love it I love it. This was what they promised all those years ago was the CPU and the GPU working together in harmony
And all it took was for apple to prove a market case for it
But what are you talking about something with decent integrated graphics has been has been on our
Minds forever. That was like the whole point. You guys knew it. So i'm i'm just stoked. I'm super stoked
It almost makes up for my disappointment that the the z2 go is such a dog turd
so I don't know they're their new z2 line of uh
processors for these the z2 extreme looks sick, um, it's zen 5
Combination of full zen 5 and the the compact
Still full that's complicated. But basically they they don't clock as high and and stuff
They don't have as much cash, but they're they're still zen 5 so zen 5 and zen 5c cores and then rd na 3.5 graphics
Looks like it's going to be just killer um, I I gamed on the legion go
S2 or go to legion go to prototype and it's just freaking fast
There's rumors that that is supposed to be effectively the steam deck too
Valve came out and said no Oh, so I don't know we'll see because I would like an actual steam deck too. Um, I think that'll be cool
Uh, but anyway the z2 go wait no wait, okay
You're saying no isn't they're not making one valve. Well, I don't know if they said they're not making one
But they've said that they're not making that right now. Um
Anyway, so the the z2 go I was really excited about it because our first deck and briefing from AMD
Didn't specify what generation the cores were for the CPU or GPU. So I assumed that it was
quad core with uh
Is it 12 cus? I think it's 12 cus of rd na graphics
Um, and I was looking at this thing going this is going to be an absolute
Monster it's going to be super efficient Maybe they're like all compact zen 5 and so it's going to be this like hyper efficient
This will come after like like little like like Android
Android-based like emulation devices, but it'll be full x86 this thing's going to be this thing's going to be awesome
And then I found out it's zen 3 and rd na 2
So it's like ancient generation technology So it's not going to have the efficiency to do that because I wanted I wanted it to be current gen so you could have
Like a small battery in it too like you could really build really compact pc gaming handhelds
But I'm yeah Over it. But anyway, I
I expressed my disappointment to them in person. I said this is what I want
So and they were like, well, we can't comment on future products and I was like, yeah, yeah It's fine. I get it. But but this is the thing that I'll be excited about. So yeah, um off you go
Go go go build it go go build the future AMD
CLAVT in a bit Um, so who knows if they will but I I'd be very excited to see that
Is your GPU specs Um
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah for this thing. No, dude, this thing's this thing's wild that top spec with 16 CPU cores and 40 graphics cores
honestly, I'd like to see more like a
A six core or an eight core with the full graphics grunt
I think I think the 385 is going to be a really
Sick middle ground that thing looks awesome
Um
And even even the even the smaller stuff like the the z2 extreme with the 16c is that that one looks really good too
But man rise and rise and ai max
I'm excited. All right. What else we what else we got for today?
um I think we talked about arc b580, right? Did we?
I feel like we went over these. Yeah, we did. Okay, um big tv talk
You talked about that. I'm pretty sure We talked about that as a part of a
merge message or something Then I think my quality is still where I'd want to end up
But the pricing just doesn't make any sense and it still doesn't make any sense
I was looking at samsung's last gen and it's still like 150 thousand dollars for like the big one
and I'm just like, okay You know when you've got tcl with their with their 115 inch that is
Like 11 or 12 grand in china us and like 20 grand over here or 15?
Actually, I don't know how much it is now because we're we're we're going through another cycle here
Let me see if I can let me see if I can find this. What's this thing worth now? Seriously?
Oh, no, this is best buy canada 27 000. Okay, so yeah, it's like 20 grand
Um us. Okay, shut up. I don't care
How do I switch? I just Ugh, why do you need best buy dot ca slash english
Slap dash ca. Just I don't know whatever it doesn't matter. Uh, so I'm gonna say uscn. I'm gonna guess
Nope. All right Ah
Stop If I remember correctly, best buy doesn't have the like safe link thing that amazon does the links aren't identical brutal
Yeah 20 grand unavailable nearby. Yeah, that's fine
um Yeah, so at this price Like what you're gonna pay
Eight times as much For something bigger. No, you're not. No, you're not gonna do that. It doesn't it doesn't make any sense
And micro led pricing like it's coming down like it was half a million dollars
Not that long ago when I was still when we were still doing a land show remotely
Remember when I was talking about like could I could I make enough content to justify this thing?
I don't know. Maybe maybe I'll maybe I'll spring turns out. Yes. The new samsung one looks pretty cool
Alex actually did the video segment on it. It's got this like
Through glass light guide thing that makes it so you can't see the seams anymore
I wonder what NVIDIA was using for the keynote Oh, that's like a commercial display. So that's like uh, like powered by like a zillion quadros or whatever
And as many of the small panels, but the new samsung consumer ones are big modular panels
So they have way fewer seams to make the installation process easier for their integrators
And also to have less likelihood of like one panel dying or fading or whatever differently
Um, and so I think it's only it's like two or three for a 16 by nine
And then you add like one more and it becomes like a more cinematic aspect ratio
I don't know. Maybe maybe one of these days. I'll just do like
I'll have like a crazy year where I'll just like
Spend all the money just just go for it And I'll just I'll just say, you know what the haters
Nivera and we'll just do crazy projects wall the wall. We'll do the tech yacht. We'll do the tech
Yeah What do you think a tech hotel no tech hotel you do a tech I can't afford a tech hotel
But you do a tech
Bed and breakfast. I think I could do it. I think I could do a tech yacht here. Check this out. Check this out
What the heck Why does facebook sign me out?
Constantly these days. I don't get it Like constantly like every other time I touch it. It's signed out. It doesn't like you
I don't blame it. I mean i'm not that into it either
But marketplace is pretty sick
Okay There you go facebook marketplace
Yacht shopping Okay, hear me out
tech yacht Okay, got that hot tub. Oh my god. My got that got that integrated barbecue. Okay, hold on 1993
1993 baby 93. It's a good year. It was a good year. What is it?
It's a good year. How much maintenance is this thing gonna need? I don't know man. I don't know but hear me out tech yacht
This seems like something that Dan for some reason would know too much about. Yeah, I did. Yeah
Many many many years. Of course you do
How much how much are we looking at for maintenance on a on a boat from 1993? Yeah, Dan. Tell us about okay land
Land right here. Okay Yacht to land
Yacht to land get the dining room set that up for yacht to land. How much like crewing do you need for something like?
Well, technically what how long is that one 123 feet 123 feet, baby
I believe for that length you need a proper captain's license and now every time you want to take it anywhere
You need to get a captain's license Morage for that a year probably would be in the high five figures if not six figures
Every single year you have to take it out of the marina and then recondition the base of it
I believe the ablative paint is like a hundred dollars a gallon and it's 123 feet and you got to throw it on pretty thick
so That has to be done every single year
Everything salt water so you have to be constantly replacing the sacrificial anodes around the the lakes and stuff like that
There's three tiers. There's automotive. There's marine and then there's aerospace
So a part that's a dollar for automotive you add a zero and then if you want aerospace you add another zero
The salt water constantly attacks almost everything
So what you're saying is that And I I had already figured this out without even knowing anything about it
The price for this is so far off
of like Anything else in this in this size class because as far as I can tell
The reason that this is so cheap and I I say cheap in quotation marks because it's still over two million u.s
dollars 130 feet, but the reason it's so cheap is because
It's way too big For anyone who can for anyone who can afford
Okay, it's too it's too old and it's too much to spend on maintenance
Anyone who can afford to maintain it could afford something new. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say
Like the the maintenance cost many people's salaries
Must make actually no sense to own a boat whatsoever on a boat from
1993 how many times that you do you think you'd even use it? Well, I wouldn't use it at all
But what we would do It risks even if you just don't use it. That's the thing is the maintenance is
Always so god help you if the stringers are gone. So hear me out
Hear me out We we we sub let it to a charter company
So so first we do we do content we bring it up. We dry dock it
Okay, I have people that you should talk to if you are actually considering this
Well, I'm not sure if I'm I'm not sure if I'm considering it But what I'm definitely doing is talking about it on the wanshow and we never know what'll happen if we talk about it
On the wanshow so okay, so what I'm proposing though what I'm proposing is we buy it
We dry dock it We tech it the out
Like we turn it into the ultimate just like
gamer bro Hangout space
The dry dock is also super expensive. Oh, I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is
Oh, it's terrible But we we milk it
We milk this thing for content. We got it. We got it up on the stilts. We're going like this
We are milking it we get sponsors in for like all the hardware that we put into it
We put a bunch of like home automation crap and stuff in it
We put like a whole bunch of well, yeah, because everything should just be automatic
You should like walk in the room and it should be like you can't even get the whole automation in your house
Working how you're gonna get home automation in a boat. That's just because I don't do it though
Like it's I could I could do it at this point. I could replace all the light switches with something else and spend like
Probably two or three weekends programming it, but I just don't feel like it
You get this sponsored by a yacht manufacturer at like bay line or there's no way they would care
They don't know who we are. I'm not even I wouldn't even bother calling them, but
So we dry dock it and they might we milk it. You don't know we milk it for content Jimmy Fallon. So we do
It's true. So we do like We do like 10 to 20 videos
I mean look how many videos we made about techifying my house And this honestly is like kind of cooler in some ways because we'd be solving some pretty interesting problems
So then We we do like a maiden voyage
Okay, where we do like like the world's floatiest land party or whatever, you know
You can finally do lowlander and then and then we well
We don't want to go that deep. We want to stay on the surface of the water. That would be zero, right? Yeah, sure. So um
And then we we yeah, we so we just we just like sublet it there's there's companies that manage charters for your for your boat
Or whatever and then we let people book like gamer gamer boat charters
So they go around they like, you know pat about or whatever and they they they game and they drink some alcohol
They do what people do and they you know charter a boat going boats dude, dude
Actual whale land where we see actual whales Are you uh, are you planning to do the land party like out?
In the middle of the ocean or something like that. Why not? Because like I believe that the fuel for a generator to run a boat like this is roughly 40 to 60 thousand dollars a day
Yeah, I know But that's the problem of the people who rent it. Well, think about the think about the water cooling like you could do
water cooling Ocean cooled ocean cooled land party. Mm-hmm
Whale whale land. Yeah
Whoever loses has to like Jump off the boat and swim around at once and then climb back on before they play again
Richie's plank experience in vr, but actually with a plank
Oh
Tech-yatched
I already asked Yvonne to book a time for us to go see it. My god
I'm still not sure how serious I am though Dan. I just want to see it. Okay. I'm going to um, I'll get you some numbers to call
I'm not that serious yet. No, no just as like an explored. It'd be a fun conversation
I'm just going to go see it first and then
And then I will I will I will see how serious I actually am
Dan knows a guy for everything j5 That's why I was like, yeah, no, no, no. This is a team of people. I will put you in touch with a team of people
I'm not that serious yet I think it'd be a fun thing. I also have my eye on a plane
I do not have a person for those Actually, yeah that oh actually
Together we can get somewhere you actually you have someone on staff that can fly planes. No, I have I have a plane guy
No, you can have the plane guy. I got the pilot guy. I got bush plane guy
Oh, they're they're like sick like action. No, I have a Floatplane guy. Nice. He used to build them behind our house
I'm gonna buy you a Floatplane
Joe Joe can fly it That's so cool. So, um
That one would be also techifying but is really challenging because
They're what if you did a helicopter and then you could land your helicopter on your yacht
I can't put any like tech in it, but you could land your helicopter on your yacht Yeah, but there'd be no tech in it. I need content. Otherwise. I'm not spending any money on anything
So if you get a big enough, no, no, you did the tech van A backseat gaming station. No, but helicopter. They can't lift anything like as soon as you put like a tv in it
You take away like half a passenger worth of Capacity like you can't
There's definitely helicopters that can lift things decommissioned military helicopter. Sure. But what are they schwocherskis?
You can buy blackhawks. You can straight up buy blackhawks. Okay, unlike unlike both of you
I'm having a serious conversation here. So I don't buy a 2.5 million dollar 130 foot
I'm having a serious conversation. It's not gonna be that much expensive
I don't know the price of paint people will just charter it We're like some of the worst economic times in history people just charter my gaming yacht for for for 120 000 dollars a day
It'll be fine. Great. Luke. It'll be fine. Yeah, they are. Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's true. Actually. All right
Although they're not shopping at tiffany's so
Okay, so back to the back to the jet The issue with the jet is we're looking at an order of magnitude greater price
If we want to wait an actual jet, you're not not a prop plane. Yeah, holy crap. Okay. Yeah
Yeah, so so so so by the well if you're looking at a prop plane
You're not gonna have the kind of seating capacity and the kind of lift capacity that you'd
Okay, and i'm not talking about some freaking flying fortress or whatever like obviously yeah it would but that's not a thing
You can buy like i'm talking if you pick up like a
How about I use golf stream or something? Yeah, so something with like I'm talking something with like a dozen seats
Or something like that like you can get prop planes and they're cheaper
But they're they're like slow um, so anyway
The challenge with the really small affordable private jets is their lift capacity like their their uh, their passenger and cargo capacity is like super low
so if you want to get into something that you would actually be able to like
Re-furnish the inside with anything that is not made of carbon fiber
You know like if we were to put a bunch of TVs in it or something
Oh, there's no prop planes that can fit people in them. No, I didn't say that
I said that they're I said that the amount that they can lift is not that much
This fits 50 people. I'm pretty sure you can lift a decent amount of stuff
Uh, okay. Yeah, but that's going to be like a like an 80 million dollar jet
Like i'm talking stuff that's in the that's in the five to 15
You just want like a 10 person golf stream With with extra luggage capacity. Yeah, that's that's a gigantic plane luke. Yeah, but that's a plane
There's like a billion of them This is not one thing one of the one of the stages of this. Okay luke
I'm trying to tell you right now In the like in the small private plane space
The amount of cargo and people that they can lift is very limited. Yeah, okay
So in order to get to something that you could actually like
Put a bunch of tech into without it adversely affecting how many people you can carry
It's not going to be like five million. It's going to be like 15
which is a lot
And once again once again the plan would be
the plan would be like Tech it out and then there's services that like as far as I can tell almost nobody who owns a private jet
Like just just like some people would oh, yeah There's your supreme like billionaire billionaires like clubs who fly all the time
But then a lot of them are fractional ownership or people who are just
Chartering them. Yeah, a lot of play even like hobby planes A lot of them are like that and people who own them a hundred percent a lot of the time
They will they will make them available to these charter companies
So that they're actually like being used and stuff getting some of the money back in that can be used for to cover maintenance costs
Yeah, um, I feel like there's some because there's there's old stories of like
um Like NFL players playing starcraft on on planes between games and stuff
Like if you if you had an actual like sick setup
I don't know. Would you do computers though? I don't know like that's but that's part of what would be really fun about a project like this
Trying to figure out like how to do it, right? Yeah, figuring out what would actually be like the sickest
I don't know setup rich people brains, but I feel like a gaming plane
You might actually get charted out more often than a gaming yacht
Especially if your gaming yacht is based in like vancouver. Yeah, like I think if your gaming yacht was based
Somewhere else like I have no idea what like a coastal
South korean city would be but like something like that
Somewhere with like a huge gamer culture or if it like if you moved it around from time to time
Or something. So it was like in the city for a few months. So it doesn't get stale. It's like, yeah
Whale whale a yachts land is coming to you know, japan
And it's going to be in these cities at these times you can rent it out and you can take it out and experience it or whatever
I could see that people would fly into vancouver to take it to the
Golf islands or you know, you can even go all the way up to prince rupert
So it ends up being like a like a cruise ship And the thing about 100 the thing about 123 foot boat is that you don't pay $60,000 individually
No, so yeah, it's group you and 50 of your friends
50 take it out. Oh easy, dude Did you see that thing? Have you have you been on one of those at sleep? They sleep like 10 maybe. Yeah, that's what I was thinking
You're not sleeping on it. You just like let's like that one that we rented for paint night. Remember when we did that paint night event
Were you not at it? Oh, you weren't with the company yet. Okay. Well, whatever we chartered a boat for like a paint night
Um, yeah, I guess probably during the separation time. Yeah, I'm thinking like couples who would charter this. Yeah easy 40 50 people on it
Um Fit on it. I don't think it was this size like an outing. Yeah, we were just talking taking it to the gulf island
Oh when I'm talking taking it around to places. I'm not talking you charter it and you like go
I'm talking like we Bring it there
And it's like, yeah, it's here for a month Book through this company that's based there understood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, exactly
So you don't like so it doesn't just get stale like it's not just
Sitting in this one marine all the time hoping there's enough local people that are going to use it all the time
Like you like take it around To different port cities in the world and people can like charter it out from that
No idea what the logistics would be of something like that. It's just one of those like
dream big Never follow through on it kinds of things, right? Mm-hmm
I'd be actually excited for the first exterior paint job
Not because I love spending money, but because like
I think this in like You know black with a bunch of RGB would look pretty good
Is there any regulations does it not look like just a razor boat you can like paint it however you want
But normally it's done in gel coat just because of the yeah, I don't know. It's like complicated. It's very very very complicated
Oh, dude green and pink Lambo style. What would you call it? You have to name it?
Uh, if it already has a name it can be quite difficult divan
My muse no, I would call it something else. I don't know what I'd call it. I don't know
Linus tug tips Terrible the right off the right off the bad is tug tips is
We'd have to call it bode mcboat face though. Yeah, colders, right? That's that's that's already a call sign
You can't did they actually follow through on that? Oh, yeah, I thought they did
Oh, okay. It's legally called that now. All right. Well, we'd come up with something
We'd come up with I think it's really really difficult to actually get it changed. I can't remember
Oh, really? So it'll be called whatever it's called sovereign lady is apparently what it's called now
Yeah, so you you can go through a new registration process, but it's pretty difficult
I don't know this the the literal first prop plane I googled seems to make a lot of sense
Just saying when you got oh, whoops wrong screen
This is the same one I brought up before carrying capacity 12,500 pounds dash eight. It's pretty popular. Yeah 3.7 million
I think it was said how sorry how much is what's the range of this thing though? That might be a problem
So I was only trying to fly to I was only 900 miles that could go that can do sorry 900 miles
Oh, that's like nothing. That's a yikes. That's an ai thing though. So, okay
I was only looking at stuff that could cross the Atlantic cross the Atlantic. Yeah
Okay, yeah, you're screwed eliminating. Yeah, I thought you were staying north america because the whole thing is like
I would want this to be something that people would actually go somewhere in like
It's not a cargo vehicle cross the Atlantic dramatically limits your options. Okay. So
Hopefully that makes it more clear that makes a I was kind of thinking you're a little nuts. It makes a lot
Yeah, no, I'm not an idiot. Like what are you talking about? Okay. Yeah, okay
And across the pacific would be ideal That also explains the price range you were talking about a lot more
I found one plane that seemed like kind of a balance it was but like this yacht it was older
And so I'm sure there's a reason and it's that anyone that can afford a private plane
Can afford something better than anyone who can afford the maintenance of this plane
Yeah, can afford a better plane than this. Yeah, but then you know the the value ad we would bring is making it like
Like a sick plane for for for gaming because everyone anyone can watch a movie on the plane
but can you like game on a on a giant
You know, I don't know curved projection screen that lowers down like I don't know like I don't know what you come up with
Well, you got a couple of pontoons and you would go and like float them out in the bay
Are you talking about the plane or the boat now? Okay. Yeah, okay. That makes more sense. I mean not much more, but yes
Check out the jet business channel on youtube 1999 737 for as little as 4.5 million
Oh god, I can't even imagine the maintenance or something like that. Yeah a 737
The fuel efficiency is probably an issue at that point the the cost to fly it is
Wild dude. Yeah, absolutely
Wild okay, apparently this this channel does like
Tours of planes that are for sale what I've learned after selling private jets to billionaires for 40 years
Oh, what a fascinating channel. I love this guy. What a fascinating channel. He's so suave
You have to be I guess This is great. How to sell a 55 million dollar private jet and sitting in his office. I love it
I love it a day in my life. Look at this. Love this guy does look like someone who spent his life selling 55 million dollar private jet
He really does doesn't he? Yeah Love it
Man you'd meet some you'd meet some characters. I'm sure working in an industry like that, dude
You'd meet some characters Okay, so
A gulfstream g5 50 I think that was one of the models. I was kind of looking at Gulf streams. They'll go to
Uh, there was another one that was like a more sensible less brand name one that also made sense
I can't remember. I can't remember which one it was. Is it normal that these like smaller more private planes would be slower?
Is that normal? Um, not that much slower. The jets are pretty jets are pretty jetty
Anyway, this is not this is not a real
Yes, it is. Uh, yeah, this is not a real conversation. Oh, yeah, there were some
I think there was a global 5000 that was priced pretty well
Annual budget for flying a Gulfstream g5 50 can range between 1.7 million and 2.6 million per year
Just just costs. Yeah, well, that's not just on top of buying it. Yeah, because you got to pay
I was reading um, I was reading an article from an interview with someone who was basically like 200 grand a month
If you can't afford a lot more math if you can't afford two private jets
You can't afford a private jet because one of them is always down for maintenance anyway
And I was like
Well, when you're when you're chartering it, that's yeah, that's a completely different story. Yes
Um, no, maybe it was available when it started me. Maybe it wasn't a global 5000. Hold on
It was a global something whatever the entry level global is
It costs 300 dollars an hour to own a private jet just to own it. So that's 24 7 dude 24 7 2.6 million
300 bucks an hour. Yeah, and the the fuel burn per hour is like
Crazy, oh, I'm sure like you go down to la you spent like 20 grand or something like that
I forget what the exact numbers were do not quote me on that, but it's like
Unbelievable like colossal colossal amounts of money. This is on your ever closer progression to getting towards taylor swift
So this is yeah, yeah, yeah My thighs are almost as thick as her. So we're getting there. We're getting there. Yeah, we're getting there. We're at progress
Yeah progress we'll make it
Oh a blimp blimp could be good Blimp would be hind and land don't they have like what could go wrong serious
Cargo issues. Yeah, they can barely take like a person. Yeah, they were better when you could put hydrogen in
Those things were amazing
Just unlimited cargo capacity
Yikes So I think that uh, I think that you know
The yacht is probably a better place to start than the plane. You know, this seems nice
I think we could host a pretty good land in here But but but I I'm looking like long-term business
I think they're both stupid honestly. Well people have plane chartering
Services that are quite successful. People have boat chartering services that are quite successful for yachts. Is that a thing?
I have no idea. Oh, yeah, I yeah But yeah, yeah a day just going out into the bay and then back though. Is that a thing? Oh, yeah
Yeah, especially that hosting a party. Yeah, especially that people have parties on boats. It's a thing also taking a boat
I'm on a boat take a good hard look at like it's taking people places
So there you know, there's a guy that uh, you know, he he does charters. He does fishing trips up to uh, very up north
Yeah, and so if you could game on your way If you if you're a billionaire and your son is a little dingus and you want to go on a fishing trip
But you know, your son isn't going to care about fishing but he can play can bring all his friends cod and yell at his friends
Yeah, and you can fish with your Hire a captain you hire maintenance and with the newest starlink systems. Yeah, they'll play just fine
Dude, you could like really like game on this thing like
I don't know. Do you think either of these do you think the business case could make it pay for itself?
I think ignore the initial investment. I honestly just mean the maintenance cost
Um, oh So ignore the price up front and ignore the price to renovate
I just mean keeping it. I have no idea the the reality of it is that we could make our best guess
We could talk to Dan's people and we could try and come up with something
but we probably Would run into unexpected because we're buying in in any case like I have I have used yacht money
I don't have new yacht money. Yeah. Yeah. So like you don't buy a new yacht
We're gonna be we're gonna be running into Unexpected challenges, right maintenance issues unknown problems. Yeah
Whole hitting something in the water and losing a prop
Five grand Dent it five grand ten grand. I was expecting way more than that
I don't know. I mean, it's just a hunk of metal, you know still so on the one hand
But it's just a custom specialized not common hunk of metal. Yeah, that has to survive under water. Maybe we could 3d print a new one
Oh, man, I'm talking about like the dent. Okay. Tell you what Dan. Yeah
Why don't you make the call that makes more sense. Why don't you make the call? Oh my
It decides between clean and boat do we call them? They can be here in 35 minutes
Do we proceed you want to like a do we proceed with Linus tech yacht?
That yacht in particular. I'm not entirely sure Um, this is the only one similar that I found locally. Anyway, I'll tell you that much
I'm sure that around the world. There's lots of other options. Yeah, you can get them imported if you want
but what I can also tell you is that
I would be most inclined for something that is aging and affordable that we could like
Basically gut because we'd be we'd be pretty much gutting it from a
From like an interior standpoint that is a lot better to do
Yeah, right. You want like if you if you got it you can see exactly what the hell's wrong with it
Whereas this one was redone in 2022. So I'd feel kind of bad. Yeah, but like clearly some stuff they didn't
But you can tell some stuff. They actually did
Do quite recently like that last bathroom does not look redone. This kitchen looks like it might have been redone
Fairly recently. Um, excuse me Galley
Sorry. Yes, galley. This bathroom looks like it. Excuse me
Head putting you away. Uh, this bathroom looks like it was done very recently
Um, this bedroom also looks like it was done recently. So it's like I'd feel kind of bad
Uh, ripping some of that stuff out
Yeah, good hole. Good engine. The rest
Someone asked, did you really send them a message? They specifically said in the description would be ignored
No, the reason everyone sends is this still available is because it auto populates you guys
I don't understand why people get mad about it Because I've had so much stuff. See look high is this still available
I've had so much stuff that I've messaged people about asking some other question. They're like, yeah, it's not available
Or it's pending to someone like people do not
Update their stuff. Don't get mad at me for asking if your if your stuff's up to date
Get mad at other sellers for not having their stuff up to date. Like what do you
Don't I don't know dude. It's the customer is always right
Within reason and I think asking if something is available
I walk into a retail fucking store and I ask if something's in stock is always right in matters of taste
Well, whatever. I think that I think that it is in perfectly good taste to ask someone if something is available right now
Sure, because it's it's you got to start the conversation somehow. It's like I walk up to someone on the street
I'll be like You know, hi, how's it going?
Do you have time to talk right now? I'm not I'm not like
Hi, what size is that hoodie you're wearing? Like I I don't know. I think a lot of people would would do that. I'm not saying that's the right thing
But I think it's I do deliver for free
Yeah, yes, you can make like hey, I see you put this thing up for free for zero dollars
But could you uh, could you deliver it too? Thank you Okay, I want a pinball machine speaking of just sort of wow. You're really on a tear right now. I know I know
Um, I want a pinball machine, but unfortunately, I don't know nearly enough about this stuff. I want it for smash champs
I'm moving super checks there And we've got a pool table and there's like a lounge. We're gonna have you think the pinball machine sound is going to be distracting
No, it should be fine. Okay. Yeah, it's going to be like up on the second level. Yeah up on the lounge
How much does sound bleed from up there should be fine. Nice. Yeah, because badminton's loud like it's fine
And and the place is like sound treated. So you're going to have some absorption there. I'm not worried about it
Okay, cool. Um, anyway, the point is I want a pinball machine
But dude This rabbit hole is freaking crazy nuts
So maybe not today, but one of these days
I'm gonna get your guys help. I don't need to buy the most collectors edition thing
I just want something that's really fun to play Dan. Do you definitely know too much about this as well?
I'm assuming yes. Uh, just fixing them. Oh, yeah, of course. Sorry. So I want I want you guys to help me pick something
Um, because like someone could say someone could say like, oh, yeah, you know, this is
This is a super rare collectors item, you know thing and I wouldn't know the difference. Dude. Yeah, that part
Do you see this thing? Facebook marketplace has the weirdest stuff
It's apparently built from scratch to a
175th scale. Look at these drawings. They want 35 grand in cam loops
I think it may actually have $35,000 worth of
Of work in it, but I can't Nazi logo. Imagine who is going to buy
A 175th scale Bismarck. Anyway, you get that for your land boat. Yeah, for sure. Very cool
Swastika, dude, my facebook marketplace is freaking unhinged because I go out of my way to click on weird stuff
I had one of these when I was a kid. Dude, that's crazy. I had this exact super soaker
This may be the one that I used to spray the cop
Um Wow, that's so cool
Anyway, so yeah, I need you guys to help me. I need you guys to help me find a pinball machine at some point
But I'm not in a huge hurry but I just I want something that's like
New enough and like lots of you know stuff like fun enough
But it doesn't have to be like, you know, like the the one it has doesn't have to have like a super low number of plays
It's going to get played to crap because we probably won't even won't even have a queen slot on it
Like you'll just walk up and play it So something that can kind of get get beat up without it, you know
ruining an important piece of pinball machine history or whatever
People are trying to say that's the the Chinese symbol not the swastika, but the Bismarck is a german oh
Yeah, a hundred percent. Nazi german ship. Like that's a swastika. Don't even guys stop. Oh my god
Actually stop now before you embarrass yourself
Uh Are we switching to after dark? Have we done all of our topics if if you buy the boat?
Yeah, okay, apparently we're not done with this yet. Not quite if you buy the boat and it like works out
You buy the plane. Oh, yeah, a hundred percent. So then yeah, the plane is phase two. So it becomes like
Like luxury gaming chartering services. Well, the plane is actually phase three phase one should really be a um
Like a like an rv or something Like that that would be so yeah, you take your game or rv that one would kind of have to stay here
I think um, yeah, yes and no Like I think I think it makes way more sense here because rv-ing on the west coast is huge
Yeah, so we wouldn't have to take it anywhere else. You could you could maybe go over the border a little bit
Like it go down to yeah down to washington or again. Yeah, exactly
Like I could see that totally being a thing but like a trip over the Rockies and that thing is going to kind of suck
why Maintenance stuff dealing with like moving it really long distances is very expensive
No, it should be okay. I mean it's an rv, right? Like it's no it's really expensive
They break down constantly maintenance is a nightmare. I'll show you what I know
Well, I mean to a bus that could just be like the few people that I know in their experiences
Yeah bus bus would be pretty cool But yeah, it would be so so so the the the the phases
That I have discussed with taren So this is at least you know, wow somewhat. This is moving somewhat talked about
Uh, the the phases that I've discussed imagine having taren's job, dude
Oh, yeah managing me. It's gotta be nuts. I mean taren can I buy a boat?
No, I know Play no the plane at rv. Maybe thank you. Thank you
It's what I said. It's what I said when we first hired him, right?
Like who has a better chance to manage me than someone who's done it successfully once before
You know, that's the only way he stands any chance. We know this
Um, so yeah, the way I pitched it was like we could escalate
In terms of the upfront investments and see if there's actually any appetite to charter a gamer
Yeah, you know x but you're starting with a yacht. You're not starting with the rv starting with no no starting with
Oh, you're starting with the rv. Yeah. Yeah, so the plane would be phase three
Got it. I mean I could see us jumping straight to boat
Because I think the boat's way cooler. I think it's you know, have a better market with a boat
It's hotel phase four. Um chain of hotels if your rv works your boat works and your plane works
So I don't know if we've talked about this on wandshow. Who's to stop?
Did we talk about the paint palace on wandshow? They all take you straight to the Linus cult
Linus Linus town. We legitimately explored buying this hotel when it was for sale last year
Two years ago whenever it was for sale Um, we we legitimately looked into it. It was gonna cost I think
30 million dollars or something like that to to reno
So we would have had to move the company here in order to justify it and we couldn't get buy-in from the city
Slash we couldn't like it was pretty cool. It was like 160 000 square feet or something like that massive huge
So the idea was that we would we would do it kind of like universal studios where it's like partially actually working
Offices and studios for our company and then partially gamer hotel
um It was a cool idea cool dream
Didn't have the money then Don't have the money now
We would have to be operating on like a completely different scale or we would have to
take outside investment which Honestly, I think I'm at the stage in my life where I just don't ever want to do it. Don't need to
Yeah, ask it screw it. Also that place had a lot of like
Potential sketchiness No, it was like mid-reno. No, it was okay
So so I well no I can explain it What happened is the multiple people who had tried to bring it back
Uh, we just ran out of money And as long as we didn't run out of money then we'd be fine
But what we told the city was well in order for us to not run out of money
We would have to liquidate all of our existing real estate assets
Put them into the acquisition and renovation costs of this thing
Which means we'd need somewhere to operate So we'd have to do part of it
Get a temporary use permit to operate out of part of it and then do the rest of it
And the way the cities like you to do these things and I understand why I get it
But the way they like you to do these things is they like you to finish the whole thing
And then be moving ready from like a safety and liability and all those other things standpoint
I understand it, but it just wasn't the economics were not going to work for us. Yeah
It would have been pretty cool though. It would have been pretty cool It was pretty sick
And there was a lot of stuff that like if I remember correctly the parking could have legitimately been separated
Yeah, yeah, because there was underground and surface so the underground could have been staff and could have gone straight into the back elevator for safety
Yeah, and security and then the the surface parking could have been for guests like it was actually like
Could have worked separating the upstairs was actually like a reasonable thing as well
Like it was it was yeah, there was a like a genuinely good spot to do things like
Uh, the production stuff way and show all those types of things like it was
It was all right. It's just no wonder. It's sat vacant this whole time
Someone needs the money to do the entire thing all in one shot. It's so much. There's someone's working on it now
Oh, really? Yeah, I drove past it today because I got detoured. There was a road closure. Hopefully they'll be more successful than the rest
Yeah, I hope so too um
Would have been pretty cool though. I would have totally wanted to paint it pink again
Because it's white now. It's called the pink palace. Come on man. Get it together. It's gotta be pink. It's gotta be pink
It's gotta be pink um
All right, what else what else we got is there anything else we're supposed to talk about uh handheld wars heating up um
I don't really think I need to talk about that. Uh, yeah, there's the new Lenovo devices
I think the big one is that valve Is uh, it's going to be working with Lenovo to ship a uh, esteem os legion go. It's super cool. Yeah, that's that's super cool
Very exciting Um meta has ditched third party fact checking
CEO mark zuckerberg announced a major shift in meta's approach to moderation saying the company will suspend its fact checking program
In favor of a twitter style community notes model on facebook instagram and thread starting in the us
He explains that the existing moderation systems have resulted in too many mistakes and too much censorship
Their new chief global affairs officer joe kaplan explained in a blog post that just like they do on twitter community notes
Will require agreement between people with a range of perspectives to help prevent biased ratings
Yeah, community notes is working really great over on twitter. So that's cool
Uh zuckerberg said it was time to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes to simplify their policies and restore free expression
on their platforms meta also plans to make certain content morning labels less prominent
And repurpose automated filters to focus on illegal and high severity violations including terrorism
Child sexual exploitation drugs fraud and scams For other less severe types of policy violations meta will rely more on users making manual reports
But the bar for removing content will be much higher. Yes, because meta was already a paragon of high quality not
um of high quality factual Content and so leaving that to the users is going to work so well
um Cool, uh, good job facebook
I mean meta uh, finally We missed this in our coverage of the amazon tv recently. So fortunately, we weren't recommending buying it
So it doesn't really change our conclusion But we did not notice because we used plex for our media playback
That the amazon tv
Can automatically unmute itself during commercials to make sure that the user hears the commercials
i'm not sure that this is uh 100 legit. I think the yeah, it goes into it down here
um Oh, however, i'm doubtful that this isn't just a bug as i was able to find lots of form posts about people who had issues with
Fire tv devices that unmute themselves. Oh in some situations. Okay, so maybe it's fine
It just seems like it just unmutes itself discussion question
Do you remember the 2009 sony patent where users had to shout the name of a featured brand to end an ad?
Or the meta patent for eye and face tracking to make sure you're watching an ad
How far do you think companies will actually go to get us to watch commercials and will it work?
I think they will go as far as they need to go
To make it so that there's a value to their advertising partners
And that's it Because the more we ignore something the more they escalate
Because at the end of the day what pays for all this stuff is advertising and nobody pays for advertising that nobody's watching
That's just math pays for all what stuff though the content
What content well any content you bought the tv. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just talking in general
Okay, yeah, i'm just talking about advertising in general not specifically like a tv itself that would do that ads being served by
Companies that sold you hardware is just No, no, no. Yeah, i'm i'm talking about i'm just talking about the the the advertising giants the google's the methods of the world
Basically, how far will they go they'll go as far until you actually watch it that that's it
And nothing other than as far as until enough people consume it that it's economical to run their platforms
Will not be viable so they will keep pushing the envelope until it is viable. That's that's all there is to it
You can argue about it. You can be mad about it. You can kind of do whatever but math is math
um And if they can't run the platform profitably then they will either ratchet it up until they can
Or they will shut it down. Those are those are the only two outcomes
Or just keep looting
There's one thing sammy wants us to do oh
Which is a Floatplane walkthrough of oh that you made a site
No, something else. Okay. That was not it. There is a new beta site though. How did you even know about that?
I saw people talking about it. Oh, wow Um found out that nobody mentioned it to me
New beta layout. Let's go. Yeah, there's different behaviors and stuff now too
That's actually kind of the main thing. Let's go. Yeah, he wants us to watch that one with me
Watch the whole thing is 24 minutes long. He wants to go to one minute and 20 seconds. Oh, okay
There's a few different timestamps. Do you want audio? Yeah, I probably should have prepped
Uh Linus I'm ready laptops. That's the thing. Oh wait. Hold on
Uh, I might have another I might have another tab open that's playing audio. Are you sure? Yep. Oh, cool
Uh, good job Linus should work. Yeah, if you if you notice the sidebar is completely gone now. Hmm. This is actually sick
No, I can't my right shoulder if actually doesn't work
You can bat can't you Okay, so now now jump to 220. So pause and jump to 220
Okay, so okay, and then pause when you jump there
So it's a hundred thousand dollar robot that basically you dump a bunch of baseballs in
And then there's a little rubber ARM that comes out of it that holds the baseball and you hit it
Like a rubber ARM goes down sort of yeah, so it's t-ball rubber ARM goes
Yeah, rubber ARM goes down grabs another baseball comes back up and sammy went in to go batting and yeah
Well, I'm sure hilarity ensued
A hundred thousand dollar robot The water bottle came out of his backpack. This man whiffs so hard. I will say the robot seems completely fine. Oh
Oh, dude. Oh, dude 146 feet
Oh my god It must have bashed
And then he can't he gets so squeamish from that that he can't do it properly again
He doesn't even have his hands together. What is he even doing?
Oh my gosh Uh, there's more time stands we can just leave it there, but there's more time stands. That was uh, that was actually a really fun video
um, yep So Floatplane exclusive there guys, um
LMG.gg slash Floatplane. We've uh, we've got four your 40 000 strong our Floatplane supporters out there
We appreciate the heck out of you guys. Thank you very much. Yeah, and uh
If you don't want to sign up for Floatplane for whatever reason you can also get access to exclusives through memberships on
uh, youtube but you pay extra and honestly the content team sometimes forgets to
Put stuff on there on time
Yeah, we really we probably should don't really need to tidy that up. Yeah, like I'm gonna look now. I don't even
Where do you even see the members only stuff? I'm trying to
I'm trying to figure out how to do that
uh I don't know
I don't know where to find that your personal account. Are you a member? Yeah, members only videos are only up to evan week right now
So sammy if you're watching right now, please, uh, they should really really really go up at the same time
but Yes, the Floatplane Floatplane peeps are uh, you guys are kings. Okay. What else we got and queens
Or whatever anything is fine. Fabies jacks
aces Uh, I had another thing that I jotted down
Um, are you doing any prep for wisdom teeth stuff? Have you figured out food?
I'm gonna have my wonderful wife take care of me. Okay, she'll do a good job
She will basically make food that I like and then put it in a blender the stuff they suggested for me
We went and bought it just kind of blindly and then checked it out afterwards. It was just like super sugary
protein enhanced milkshakes basically
It's like what the heck I think Yvonne's planning to make like soup
And just blend it nice, which I remember from last time being
Awesome. Yeah. Yeah Yeah
Okay, that's it After dark. Oh, it's after dark. I guess so. I don't think there's anything else. Is it after dark? Oh, the topics are done. Yeah
Oh, no, I mean, I do think this is a bit I got sed and in my in my dms. I know a guy
Oh my god
Sent me this thing 2000 pound plus cargo nine-seater gulf stream transatlantic capable
Let's go All right, we're going straight to stage three. Sorry saying it's for sale question mark
What if you what if you know you can have it someone? What if you partner with someone that has a plane?
Yeah, like Taylor especially you're basically besties. Yeah
Between what because we have the same thickness of once once you get the same thing. I mean after ces you probably even more caked out
All that walking, you know
I did walk a lot I like I go out of my way to walk a lot like I'll finish the end of the day and then
One day I walked like two and a half miles back to my hotel from wherever I ended up like
I I walk when I'm in vegas because it's the only thing I'm doing and I have those travel days book ending it
And then I just sit and do nothing so And I didn't hotel gym. I didn't pack enough stuff to bring gym clothes
I'm not gonna pack a check luggage so that I can work out. I'm just not gonna do it
I just work out Ideally my gym freaking closed at a
7 p.m. So the one so you'll go gamble
Yeah, as far as I could out one of them had a pool that closed at like five or something like that
It's like also my hotel. I'm pretty sure. Um, I just went in the previous day's close
And then was like whatever it is what it is. All right, that's not a bad hack. Yeah
Linus you can afford gym clothes to throw away. I will never be able to afford to
reconcile that with my world view. Yeah, don't do that
Buy a buy a boat before you do that
100% Get a train car so wasteful
Oh, we got a sick a private train. We don't have it like there's no guys
Goodwill is not a solution to that There is far more secondhand clothing than there is people to consume secondhand clothes
Yeah, especially now because of the The like t mus and all that other stuff. Yep. Don't do it. Don't do it
And then when your clothes run out or wear out you just turn them into
What's up? Let's go Golf streamer here. We could look into setting up a tour of our engineering and manufacturing facilities. What is this in full plane chat?
What? Do it dude. Shut up. Do it. I told you a partnership would do it
This is luke's whole thing everybody around him's like nah, they won't and then you send him an email and they're like, okay
Yeah, land plane. Let's go always. We'll use it as a demo plane to show our potential clients. Yeah
This is one that built by Linus tech tips that you can also uh
I Linus you undervalue yourself. I think seeing the golf stream engineering and manufacturing facilities would be super cool
That sounds sick. I don't know that that video would actually perform particularly well for our audience. I think go
No, no, no, no, no, you're going there to to set up a time to get a golf stream jet
Customized. I wouldn't buy a new one though. I can't afford a new one. No, no, no
You do want to theirs and it would be their marketing stunt and yours
No, because then it has to be like to a level of polish that we wouldn't do like no, no, no, no, no, no, no
You could these days. Yeah Especially with air, you know say so
yeah The the ratio the ratio of
amount of work to How much videos I need to get out of it to how you're gonna charter it
There's a there's a bunch of factors here people is what I'm trying to say
I don't know. I don't know if that's I don't know if the stars are gonna align for this one, but we'll see
we'll see You guys are just gonna I can't explain every factor that goes into the decision of whether to make a video or not
But what I can say is guys. I've been doing this for a while
Trust me This may not make sense no matter how cool it seems on the surface. I'm just saying you just go you just go on your own
Yeah, you know, I don't travel for pleasure. I'm already doing that one trip. You're not traveling for pleasure
You're traveling for business because you're gonna start a chartered jet plan company
No, I'm not talking about like writing off the travel expense Dan I'm talking about like it's just a waste of time like I can't go do that like it doesn't make any sense
But no, it's that it's a waste of his time. You can work on the jet plane. Okay. Can I mute him?
Is that an option? Yes, I can look at that done found it
All right, um, I would go I know but that's not that I'll go do it
I'll do you also have a luke mute button. You're just going on vacation then and that's fine
You can do whatever you want on vacation 100 take vacation time. Yeah, I'm just I'm just gonna go after jimmy fallon
Um, okay. Anyway Okay, what's next? Merchant messages. Yeah, hit me. The chief reach out somehow. Let's just get this over with
For Linus kills us both. I'll get home. It's been a long week. I'm so tired
Good evening Linus luke and Dan the man. This is mainly for luke. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Oh god
Furfino says this is a bad idea, but touring dbrand isn't
Okay dbrand is a long-term partner
Okay, that has a long history of like sponsorships and memeing back and forth
A high degree of venn diagram overlap of awareness and relatability to our audience people
Can't afford a gulf stream jet Call them port but our average viewer can't afford a sticker to put on their phone
Okay Also, it was to announce a collaborative product that this may surprise you but we financially benefited from
Wow big reveal. Um, yes, the dbrand tour made a lot of sense
The jet factory doesn't necessarily make sense. I completely agree. I think it would do
Acceptably, but it would be weird. You get 900,000 views and there'd be a lot of people that are like
Yeah, 100% like it This is the WAN Show audience. You guys no offense yet ain't that discerning
However, we tell you guys hey, we have an idea and you're like do it
And we love that about you. We appreciate your enthusiasm and your support. It's great. That is very true. But it's very useful sometimes
but We have to when we make a video for the main channel
It has to make sense for all the investment that we put it
Every video costs a ton of money to make. Yeah, believe it or not
And opportunity cost both in terms of real money and in terms of the cost of what we could have made in that time
That would have paid our staff and paid our costs all of that being said
Whatever we do though, I don't know the rv the boat the plane whatever
We gotta D brand's got to skin it somehow the boat gets complicated. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. We'll see but something
Exxie raviour says the winers are ruining it for the rest of us. It's not even that
It's that it's just isn't appealing to most people most people
Don't care about some jet that some rich a**hole is
Briding around in a lot of those videos get crazy views on youtube
But it's usually on channels that are more tuned for that type of content lifestyles of the rich and famous style content
And that's not our audience our audience is like
Well, why would you pay nine dollars a month for a subscription when you can just pirate it?
Fake frames fake frames. It's it's a really really different audience and and it's an audience that
It's no accident that these two gentlemen built
Yeah, right. No. Yeah, I don't think the plane video is a good idea
So there's a reason that our audience would relate way more to us finding some like clap trapped out boat
Yes, and like teching it out and turning it into something like a viable side hustle
The joy is the the struggle and the modification and and the jankiness. Yes. Yeah. Yeah the journey
Yeah, that part would be fun if I just did some tour of some rich f***ing guys tech f***ing boat
Yeah, we'd have some people that would be into it and there'd be some audience that would come over from the other side
But our like our our core audience that we that we build our content for
Yeah, yeah, yeah for sure Like they're look how angry they are that NVIDIA wants two thousand dollars for a GPU
Which is a lot of freaking money $2,000 like wouldn't even buy you freaking like
Reaching altitude on this plane, you know even close
Right like it's so power cycling it might be genuinely like yeah, so we've just got to we've just got to keep that perspective a little bit
We just got to keep that perspective a little bit. All right. All right after dark
Um, it's already after dark. Oh it is
my bad Framework community is on fire now after the last mail
They believe framework is going IPO over one joke line says no key
You're gonna have to link me to that no key because I'm I'm I'm not sure what's going on over at framework right now
Other than sending them some money and I waved at nerav in the line for the NVIDIA event
And that was that was about it other than like that and the the coverage we've done
I don't pay that actually close attention to them
Does it matter if they go IPO? Well, I think that there is
A certain perception a well-earned perception that once you go IPO
You are beholden to shareholders who want nothing other than money
Nothing other than a return and you have a fiduciary responsibility to provide them that return
And so they're worried the repairability and stuff. They're worried that they could lose their path
Um, so anyway here clarifying comment from nerav regarding the IPO text
Um Okay, many most startups get caught up in the fundraiser status game in a way that detracts from their mission
We don't fundraising is a tool we use when it advances our mission and which we don't use when it doesn't
Part of being conservative about this is that the founding team still has both voting share and board control five years in
Which is pretty unusual as this is true There is no pre-ordained outcome for framework as a company and one jokey sentence in a multi-page manifesto doesn't change that
Our focus is on winning at our mission, which the rest of the several pages of the manifesto is about
Also, the takeover the world part isn't a joke All right, so there you go. So how should this be interpreted? Are they planning an IPO or not?
I I I don't think based on what I've seen
So far to scale your company past a certain point
You pretty much have to take on funding and that's one of the reasons that I don't know that Linus media group bank
will ever scale beyond a certain point because
If you want to go parabolic, which is what it takes to be a you know billion dollar company
um You can't do it just just taking your profits and putting it back in the numbers just don't work
So if they want to scale in a big way, they want to tackle printers and they want to tackle
I don't know who whatever other sort of locked down they want to tackle
You know TVs and the you know stealing your data and monitoring you-ness of TVs and they want to tackle this
They want to tackle that they'll they'll need they'll need funding. They've taken investment already
They took investment from people from people who weren't me from people who may not even care as much about the mission
But maybe they do but they took investment and they've managed to stay true to it so far. So what I hope is if they did that
um They if they did take money through
Through an initial public offering that they would still stay true to their mission
I haven't seen an indication that they won't but nothing's impossible and
You know I stand by what I said before which is if I
um You know if I feel they have they have betrayed their mission then I'm out and I will break up with them publicly
Yep Apparently it's around three quarters of the way through the uh
Through the page here. So here's a blog five years of framework
Control f world. Here we go. Okay. There you go. Here's the plan
2020 x ipo take over the world note that this timeline is deliberately aggressive and makes a few assumptions and
Product risks, etc. Yeah. Oh, it's cool that they're being really open about this at least
This is actually surprisingly comprehensive
Very cool Anyway worth checking out. Um, but I am have valve disagrees valve
Is a unicorn valve is a is the exception that proves the rule
Valve literally prints money for a living they uh
Just because valve does it doesn't mean anyone else can do it
And framework is in a physical goods business which it
Just has physical limitations on scale things take time
Um, things have to move around
All right All right, here we go Good evening Linus luke and tender man. This is mainly for luke
I am in school for a bs in network security and administration
Question is what position should I be looking for going to be a new career?
I don't know I feel like we might have to dial back the career advice merge messages just because
The reality of it is that luke and I only know so much and have only worked at so many companies
I've had one career level job Yeah, all right two. Yeah
We do get maybe not the greatest people to talk I know we get a lot of interest from merge messages in career advice
I know but it's tough out there right now. So I get it and we can tell people, you know, some some
You know things that we've learned Succeeding in the workplace like that's something we've done even though we haven't had that many positions. I feel like we've
Done well at them and and we are passionate about it and you know, we work hard and everything but
There's a limit to kind of how much we can address and like
Man, I'm in school. What position should I go for like dude?
The one you can the world moves so fast and changes so fast
That even if we give you advice and even if it is the right advice today, it might not be the right advice by the time you graduate
so it's
I can tell you that network security ain't going away anytime soon. Yeah
But I also don't know what the impact of
And when I say the impact of AI, I don't even mean necessarily the impact of the AI getting a lot better
I mean the impact of workplaces cutting back on human resources because of it
I don't know what that's going to look like Yeah
All right, ahoy the one you can is what I'll say. Yeah, ahoy l plus l
I've been considering an rtx 59 need to save on my heating bill
Is there any viability to this trying to convince girlfriend? It's a solid investment
Well, you better hope she doesn't watch wanshow because that's a stupid fucking investment. Yeah, what?
with that said with that said if
you are using resistive heating already
Then during the winter months it legitimately won't cost you any more
To heat your house with a 5090 than it would to heat it with a resistive heater
However, if you're using almost literally any other form of heating
So if you're using a heat pump if you're using a um
Like a gas boiler almost literally anything else
You already have a way more efficient Heater um, so
Yeah Um, sorry. I really hope for your sake that your girlfriend doesn't watch wanshow and I hope you don't feel bad
um about me, you know Saying your idea is bad and then clip this part. Yeah, that'll work
Great idea Hi, l ld get one for each of you
And then soon it'll be two when she breaks up with you. Hi l ld Linus for
Uh, do you have any advice for save a lot of money not having a girlfriend too bad too bad
So then you could Could justify itself that way you could generate one you could you could like yeah, if you had a 5090
Yeah, you could heat up your your macaroni for one on it
Sad sad little man
Oh, sorry I'm projecting Hi, l ld Linus, uh, do you have any advice for then Bob says actually just keep a bunch of goats in your home for the body
Then you wouldn't have to worry about a girlfriend either
But you'd have your goat
Okay, sorry. Yeah, I'll let you finish reading down. It's still cameras
Apartments now
What is actually more work having a girlfriend or having a goat in your apartment
Probably not the goat
The girl smells a lot better though, I'm way better. Yeah, only if you don't take care of the goat. Yeah
Okay, um, okay
Go ahead Dan. All right, it's not gonna get better Linus, uh, do you have any advice for vasectomy recovery?
I've got mine scheduled in 11 days and have just been told rest and tight undis. Yeah, don't forget the cool
Um, you know the the ice bag the ice chip bag is uh is a plus don't go to work and host the WAN Show that day
I was like out and about doing stuff go home and rest and and don't get recognized by your doctor
That's that was such a funny story. Oh man
I Next up, okay, so I thought we're pausing for effect
Uh, hi LDL. What are your thoughts on giving kids apple watches instead of phones to stay connected while limiting access to social media
Is it smart or just a fool errand? Yeah, screwdrivers. Um, does it limit access?
Yeah, I mean it makes it a little less convenient. Um, but like
Yeah, I mean I guess apple watch has it doesn't apple watch have to be paired to a phone even when it has a cellular connection though
No idea I thought so like I um, I don't I think the setup process like requires you to connect it to a phone
I mean if like they just don't have access to the phone I mean realistically, there's better parental tools for limiting time in apps. Anyway, I would I would probably go that route personally
Apparently no not anymore. Oh wait, people are saying yes for setup kid mode
Uh, yeah, I mean a watch
I mean, it's a really expensive just like text only device
Can you just like get an old crappy phone and then just set up parental controls on it?
I'd probably go that route Thousand bucks for something that they're just going to bang into every single surface on the planet of the earth
They're pretty durable actually. I've got a not even like the latest one and it's uh, it's got some scratches on it. Okay
I think the restricted old crappy phone is the way to go
You can buy them pretty cheap sometimes Hi DLM Linus, which 59 you're planning on getting as cool as the founder's card is
It's hard for me to ignore the benefits of having a card from a partner for better cooling or better performance
I mean, I I'm gonna go with whatever's got a block for it because I'm gonna be water cooling mine and heating my pool with it
So I'm really one percent problem. I'm very interested
In the thermals of that card. I bet they're really good
Yeah, the pass-through design is pretty stupid in my opinion. I can't reveal anything now
What stupid? Yeah, it's like one of the worst designs I've ever seen. Why?
No, I'm just trying to piss you off because nicole said that you loved it and wanted me to review
Okay, well, it's because you're objectively wrong because it's amazing. It's a marvel of engineering. I think it's cool
It's tiny the angle vents on the side that make it so that the the hot air doesn't come back around genius
I haven't tested anything and I didn't have 10 editors day. So I don't know anything
But I will speculate that it's very good. I just I just find it interesting that the
The board partner cards are so enormous. Why aren't they doing that? They're all huge. They're 59
Like a two slot because it's so expensive to build that card
And so in vidya because they have their own margins
Like basically they can they can put all of the board partners margin and build cost into their own build cost
And sell it at the same price fancy really so it's just like a flex
That's it. That's all there is to it. So You're thinking the enormous adam board partner cards are
Compensating for the effectiveness of the dual pass through cooler. Yeah. Yeah, and also just overbuilt because it's become
Like a who can build the biggest coolest running card $2,000 card. So at this point it's an e-peen thing anyways
Yeah, and like nobody plugs anything into their PCIe slots anymore. Anyway, so you only really cares. Yeah, if you have an atx motherboard
Yeah Because I don't give you any
Uh, okay, how long was the mod mat in development for?
Oh, wow A long time because
I'm trying to think when did we like Mod that I can navigate the partnership thing too, right? Yeah. Yeah
That takes time
Mod mat, I mean how far back would have to go? Yeah, bixby saying basically each one of the fins is custom and would require its own stamp die. Yeah, they like
They concave. Oh my god, they are they concave each side
To like balance out the fan pressure That cooler is genuinely insane. Is it one of the first ones I've ever thought like I want to founders for this one
The second they announced during the keynote that it was dual pass through my brain exploded
I was I was squinting. What are you doing? I'm trying to figure out if this is a three slot card
and then Oh, no, hold on. That's that's not the 50 70 or the 50 80. That's the 50 90 is a dual slot
What the hell whose ifa one says a partnership with who Linus
Uh with mod right who was the owner of frozen CPU. This is really funny. This is an ancient email from 2013
I don't you get a lot of haters on your channel. Not usually they seem to really hate the mod mat
It's weird because I thought it was kind of cool. So this is when I started thinking the mod mat was kind of cool
So that was 12 years ago. Um as for when we actually started working on ours, uh, let me see
It's like nothing has changed. Yeah
um mod mat
Here's a very Hold on. I'm going to screenshot this so that I can um
Whoops, I'm going to screenshot this so that I can mask a couple of things really quick
But the earliest email that I can find about it is, uh
2022
Let me uh, let me just get a get a big black marker here
Uh Okay
Come on maximize you butt. Okay, there we go. And
And
Okay, yeah, this seems to be
Um, this seems to be sanitized Okay, there so, uh
Grounding plane that has flexible attach point second carabiner style to the natural rubber built in magnetic screw retention
Solar section heat resistant spot bumping this up officially moving forward with mod right
We should do initial discussion Wednesday during merch meeting. So that's september 2022
was when we uh, we pressed go
So a while, I mean we Sort of almost famously at this point take a very long time
to to do stuff
um But we we make sure that when we do it, we do it right
Uh, hey dll. How do you personally?
Remotivate yourself when you start to feel lost in what you previously enjoyed for work
Tell yourself you have no choice because you're in a lot of debt and if you don't keep working
You'll never hope to afford to be out of debt motivation falters. You have to find something else
Motivation is good for starting. It's not good for continuing. Do not ever rely on motivation for anything. Yeah
Hey lld question for both after all these years. What has been the most satisfying aspect of your job?
It's been the most surprising Um, I think the most satisfying is when we're able to actually affect real change
um, whether that's in, you know
Brand marketing or product design or
Um, or on our viewers like it's it's really cool when when people come up and you know, tell me
Hey, I just finished my program and I got started in
You know in in it because of enjoying your videos when I was a kid like that's
I think that's the most deeply satisfying
part of the job, um, but if I was to say
Um, if I was to talk about the most deeply satisfying part of the company
I'd say watching people hit milestones is the most satisfying part
So, you know having people Apply for a mortgage and have a bank approve their mortgage because they work at Linus media group, Inc
Floatplane, Inc Creator warehouse, Inc
That's pretty cool The fact that we're like a real company and that you know a financial institution will say
Oh, yeah, you work at a real company and get you know real wages and can
Really put a down payment on this and be expected to pay your monthly mortgage payments. That's uh,
It's a deeper level of validation than just someone thinking you're pretty cool and being willing to work with you and take
Take a risk on you. It's like, uh, it's like a no. This is real. This is like this is solid now
You know seeing people start a family knowing that their kid's not gonna starve because well, yeah, it's fine. I work at
Linus media group I work at creator warehouse. I'd say I'd say there there can't really be anything more
Satisfying than that. Yeah
Yeah, I think for me personally it's the
I guess the like Trust building and long-term nature of working with people like having people on my team
Like I don't know Practically anyone currently on the Floatplane team for example
Just like I've been working with these people for ever at this point. Um, I just think that's really cool
Um building those long-term relationships. Yeah
I know like it's a it's a big thing in the software development industry for people to stay in a company for like three years max
often like one to two um
And it's cool that we have a team where that's like not really the
the mo Despite it being
Not common Um and kind of brutal sometimes they work hard. Yeah. Yeah to be honest and often like thanklessly in the background on things that
Aren't really that visible on the site
Yeah, like people some people have pointed out that the the beta site right now. They're like, oh, it's not like that different
It's like, yeah Uh In regards to like some of the stuff that you see. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on
There's actually a ton of stuff going on a lot of it's like cooking right now. Like you can't see it all quite yet, but
um Yeah, anyways, um, and the surprising part is that
I was very resistant to us growing to this scale
And I still think there's some parts of it that kind of suck
But there's more things that are good about it that I didn't see coming. I think things have been relatively
I I think the waters have been relatively smooth very recently. Yes. Um
I do agree Give me time though
Soon I'll have a boat And someone will hate that
Yeah, it'll be good. Yeah Hi DLL while they hate on fortnight. It's free and I play with my nephews and grand nephews and buy them team skins
This makes it funner for everyone, particularly my grand nephews. Um, I think it's the
It was a very significant mark of a very significant change in gaming
Yeah, so I think it's less hating fortnight and more hating what it represents. I had no idea how good my son is at it
He like wins fairly regularly I'm not too surprised. Oh, okay
All right, we gotta play some uh, we gotta we gotta play some FPS together again because he's gotten
I was watching him play the other day if he's winning in fortnight. Yeah, probably
I was like, yeah, we should we should play it. He wasn't playing ranked in that one, but like
Still that's probably still crazy. He won. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like it was like his
Second match of this season or something. Is it still is it still 100 players? Yeah. Yeah, so that's nuts
Yeah, like I just like watched him casually just eliminate other human players. I'm like, yo, is that a human? He's like, yeah, I'm like
And then someone was like spectating him after because they like I guess thought he was cheating or something
But I was literally sitting watching him play. Cool. Yeah. Um, it's pretty sick
Yeah, so we'll have to play some he's really like not that little
I know anymore. The nickname really doesn't work that well anymore medium. Yeah medium man. Yeah
Normal dude, he's been really enjoying the baddie center more than I hoped
He's been playing more than me because I'm injured right now. I'm jealous
That's cool. Yeah, he plays like at least every other day more like two or three days
I'm just like, okay. Yeah, I wish I could play that much That's pretty sick. Yeah, because like that was uh, that was like a huge time investment
For me and money investment in like having badminton be something that we could like
Bond over as adults and do more excessively. You've probably heard me talking about for over a decade
Wanting to play father-son tournaments. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, of course like this has been
a machination of mine Since like this child was born through absolute sheer force. I will make this thing happen
I uh, well, I knew I couldn't make it happen. I don't mean in regards to his desire to be a player
I mean in regards to like there will be a badminton center. It will be near it will be accessible those types of things
Yeah, you can't like you can't force someone to be into something. Yeah, right
But what you can do is you can put it in front of them and you can incentivize it and you can create positive experiences and memories around it and
And and hope for the best. Yep. I don't know if the daughters will get into it
But hey, at least I got at least I got one one out of three ain't bad one or three isn't zero to three
And it's not like I don't have things that I can bond with the daughters over as well
And so, you know, for me, it's like childhood is is temporary
Uh, and well, everything's temporary, but but the child part is very temporary. It's fleeting even and you know, if we
We can't really call it a success unless we can have
Real adult relationships with these people, right? They're not kids. They're people and so it's been
Playing a long game Yeah, yeah, yeah, at least now you have a very obvious favorite favorite child
Well, no The badminton center is ultimately for lioness. I actually don't an individual child's a lot of people like are very clearly like
I don't have a favorite. Sorry Yeah, but I I don't they are each
Oddly unique and utterly incredible. I will externally say that does seem true through observation
Like they're all great. Maybe part of it is just like I have all great kids
Like maybe some people have kids that are just like assholes. We when when when was this?
What day was that? after last WAN Show
I went over to your place and you hadn't seen them in a while for some reason
Um, because I had been away and the One I think and they were too or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, the greeting you got
Oh, isn't it heartwarming? That's pretty good there's
There's people who Think that having kids isn't the most fulfilling thing you'll ever do and then there's people who have kids
There's there's nothing Absolutely
Nothing like it. There's nothing else that you can and I'm sorry if this is like a really tough
Um thing to hear but there's absolutely nothing that's even close
I think there are people that have kids that definitely don't agree and that's fair enough
um But in general, I think you're you're yeah, but out of everything that I have ever
Accomplished or ever experienced Um, it's an order of magnitude
Off nothing else is even on the same planet
Up next yep Hey DLL looking forward to the couch potato hoodie question for Linus with a new 74 watt hour battery mod for the rog ally
What are your thoughts on taking an og ally and upgrading versus ally x?
Ooh 74 watt hour battery mod. That's pretty cool. Um
I mean, it depends how much you're spending on it if you already have an og ally
Right, then yeah, then yeah, but I absolutely wouldn't go buy an og ally
Because there's other benefits of the newer one like it natively supports full-size ssds
Although the og one can be modified as well for that. Um, what what batteries in there right now?
Oh, I think it's only 40 you watt hours or 40 45
Don't don't quote me on that. I don't actually I don't actually see it on here
Uh But yeah, I can't remember I think it's around 40 45 watt hours or something like that
So that that's a substantial upgrade 40. I would rather I'd rather have an ally x apparently ally x has issues
Some people are saying oh ally og has issues. Yeah the sd card issue. I mean it didn't impact me
Um, so far my ally is doing great and I'm super happy with it
That's the main reason I haven't bothered to upgrade because I just don't even need to the one
I'll be taking on falon though is ally ally x
um I mean, I'm sure you know ASUS would appreciate us showing their latest rather than
Even if this is what I daily drive and I wanted it to be as wow factor for him as possible
And there's no actual released devices yet with z2 extreme, which I would have rather taken but yeah
anyway Could you get an unreleased one?
If you're like hey, hey, hey, it's for this thing. Oh, there's no time possibly but yeah, there's no time
I'm going to be I'm going to be on the show
Less than 72 hours from now like and it's a weekend right after c. Yes, everyone's like done right
We've got to be somewhat even get your weekend. Are you flying on monday? No, I'm flying sunday. Yeah
I'm doing the red eye
Linus how long until uh, sorry. Yeah, how long until and where do your tough socks wear out?
And if I order tough socks now, will they last me until the ldt socks are released? Oh my darn tough socks
um They they usually fail in the ball of the foot for me because uh badminton
So because of the friction of sliding when I lunge
Uh, they they lasted me like a solid couple years before they wore out
Which is doesn't sound like that much maybe if you don't if you're not as hard on your socks as I am
I'm real hard on my socks. That is a frickin long time. Um
Maybe even three years I think they probably started failing within a couple years
But I still have ones from my initial order that are still going today
So they're they're really impressive. Uh, if you order them now, I'd be very surprised if they wear out before ldt socks are released
Land fluke and cisness What is the most expensive product you've ever seen at ces? Oh, I mean some of the huge tv's like obviously like some of those are
Like it's like some of the some of the like demo systems are like one of a kind in the entire world
I remember I think it was samsung had this cool one that would like
Had motorized arms on the back that would take it and like rearrange it into different aspect ratios
Like you can't even put a price tag on some of the stuff that they have at these shows They're like bespoke hand-built things. I don't even know what blows my mind every time is the cost of the booths themselves
And they're just gonna throw it away dude. It's crazy. They're just gonna completely throw it in the garbage
It's wild some of them are effectively building multi-story homes. Yeah. Oh like semen's was insane
They have doors. They have stairs. It had offices with like plants and benches and tables in a kitchen
above hardwood floors like it's
It's honestly wild Like like actual. Yeah, I don't know. I was amazed one year. I asked someone
I forget who it was and I was like, what did they do with like all the carpet? They're like throw it away
Gone What it's all just trashed. Yeah, it's all just thrown away because it's not like the next convention that comes in
Is going to want the same color carpet. So like Just just throw it away
Yep, and it's one of those things where like I make my kids sort of recycling and everything but like
In the grand scheme of things
Sorting that can compared to
Like commercial waste Yeah
Yeah Where's the 2024 or 2025 sticker pack bonus? I don't know. That's a good question. We must have had a bunch left over
Maybe soon
And last one I got for you today. Oh de wilso nine says I work for semen's and we looked at storing the carpets
It made no financial sense. Yeah, I get it. I get it. But yeah, so yeah, so they just yep cosmic remix. Yeah, they just throw it away
Those booths they just they just throw them away Even the cost of transporting them like back to where these companies came from in some cases. It doesn't make any sense
Some companies take a more pragmatic approach. Noctua for instance reuses the same Computex booth every year
They just fold it up And unpack it and I love that. I respect that
Yep Uh griffin says I work in construction in vegas
The smooth of good materials that get thrown away in my shed is ridiculous
Yeah, I don't know what smooth means in this context, but sure amount amount. It was auto correct or something. Okay
Dear luke as Dan's direct report. Do you have any advice to get him to be less aggressive at curating these?
Uh pro tip for liners don't eat solid food for two weeks. Even if they say you can after three days
Uh, I think he's less aggressive with it because uh, what's the current runtime of the show?
Uh, we're three hours and 50 seconds. Yep. Uh, so that's why
We I think we're trying to not do the any advice to get him to be less aggressive
Like you do you want me to make he wants you to curate more
Oh is what I'm interpreting this as oh, yeah, no, I have I have time
Yeah, but meanwhile I've got my way of asking when I'm going to be home So yeah, exactly, you know, it is what it is one hour five minutes over time the betterment of our sanity
Yeah, he takes care of us. I try my Dan is to shield
I try my best
That's all I got. Yeah, I was just gonna say speaking of trying his best though, uh
Earth to Linus we're done
See you next week same bad time same bad channel Whoa, bye
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