WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.520 I always get concerned when companies make up their own certifications. 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:08.400 90 plus platinum? Not a thing. And if it was, it would probably be platinum colored, not gold, 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:14.880 which makes me wonder how much of anything else on here is actually real. I assume this is real. 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:22.480 It supports 180 to 200 volt AC input, which makes sense. There's no way you'd blow the 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:28.960 circuit before you manage to pull 3000 watts out of a 120 volt circuit. Is it time to open it? 00:00:29.520 --> 00:00:34.000 Actually, before we do that, isn't this the icon that means not dishwasher safe? 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:35.920 Yeah, I think so. They're correct. 00:00:38.080 --> 00:00:43.920 Technically not wrong. Oh, are you opening up a real power supply? 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:51.680 Yeah, so this is a 1600i. You kind of want two of these to get over 3000 watts. 00:00:51.680 --> 00:00:55.280 Yeah. Kyle's our lead creator, warehouse engineer, and he apparently spent the last 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:59.840 few weekends learning about power supplies after being put on the spot last time we opened up 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:04.320 this catchy power supply. So hopefully he's able to provide us a little bit more insight this time 00:01:04.320 --> 00:01:08.960 around. We'll see how good his studying skills are. So Kyle, you've already opened this, right? 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:18.480 Yes. Be careful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, right. This is the part of the video where we say, 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:25.600 don't do this. We do not recommend opening up any kind of AC to DC power supply. 00:01:25.600 --> 00:01:31.600 There are capacitors in here that will store enough power to throw you back across the room. 00:01:31.600 --> 00:01:36.320 Maybe not quite that much. CRT TVs, yes. These maybe not quite so much, but you could die, okay? 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.200 Bear, is that fair to say? Yeah. Okay, cool. I wouldn't say, yeah, you're not going to get 00:01:41.360 --> 00:01:46.960 heated across the room. With a CRT maybe? We don't have CRTs anymore. Well, some of us do. 00:01:46.960 --> 00:01:50.000 That's good for you. I just bought a CRT. David just bought a CRT. 00:01:51.440 --> 00:01:54.240 All of the four people here, half of them still have CRTs. 00:01:57.360 --> 00:02:01.040 Don't you just use scan lines and butters? Or is it just not the same? No, it's not the same. 00:02:03.520 --> 00:02:06.960 Okay. Well, can I try first? Yes. Okay. 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:14.960 And the comments will correct all of us, sir. Yeah. This should kind of be all you need to know, 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:22.240 though, because this is what a quality 1600 watt power supply looks like next to a random 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:32.240 banggood.com 3400 watt power supply. Look at the size of this primary side cap. Okay? Holy bananas. 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:37.200 The size doesn't matter, Linus. Well, capacity does. Generally speaking, 00:02:37.200 --> 00:02:40.320 size corresponds to capacity. What is the capacity written on top of this one? 00:02:40.320 --> 00:02:44.160 All right. Give me a sec. Give me a sec. Well, yeah, but it's just because it's written on it, 00:02:44.160 --> 00:02:57.520 doesn't mean, okay. Uh, 454, 680 microfarads. Okay. 270 each. 270 each. So the size clearly 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:59.760 mattered a little bit. Okay. What are you insecure? 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:12.400 You don't have a witty comeback for that. Let's get a shot of the 270. 270. He doubts me. Hold on. 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:16.640 Go back to wide. Go back to wide. Go back to wide. He doubts me. He's double checking. No, no, no. 00:03:16.640 --> 00:03:21.120 You're double checking. Actually, I'm checking something else. So this is Nippon. I'm butchering 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:25.280 the pronunciation of that. Yeah. But that's a good brand. The problem is, so does that, 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:30.400 but it's so fuzzy that I think they just silkscreen whatever the flip they wanted on to the outside. 00:03:31.040 --> 00:03:37.040 Because look how clear the silkscreen is on that. Yes. You can tell exactly what the flip that is. 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:44.160 Here it is on this guy, on these primary side caps. Yeah, you can't, like, yeah. 00:03:45.040 --> 00:03:52.240 And even the DPI on this is so much higher. Even like the O, like this, this band that you see on 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:59.280 Nippon caps, it's sharp. You see that? On this one, it's super fuzzy. And like, 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:04.800 you could just scratch it off. That's nowhere that says Nippon. It does. It's just really cheap. 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:10.720 I also couldn't help noticing that the definitely genuine Nippon ones have metal tops, and these 00:04:10.720 --> 00:04:17.280 have plastic tops, which they might have, they might have other models that have a plastic top or 00:04:17.280 --> 00:04:23.440 whatever. But any differences we're seeing here, not great indicators, I think is fair enough to say. 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:36.560 Well, we can already see that it's rated for less than even the secondaries on this bad boy. 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:42.720 These are both, what are they, 470 microfarad each. To give some context for why this capacity 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:48.480 matters, here's Alex with a good power supply. What, you're just putting a spot like that? 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:54.400 Yeah. Oh, well these guys right here, they do your 400 volt stuff. The capacity of them doesn't 00:04:54.400 --> 00:04:59.760 matter so much for your system stability as your, like, overall efficiency of the unit. 00:04:59.760 --> 00:05:03.440 Okay. The ones down here are the ones that matter for your, like, 12 volt rail, and you're 00:05:03.440 --> 00:05:10.320 3090 not shutting your system down. And wait a second. That's all I've got? These little wimpy 00:05:10.320 --> 00:05:15.840 boys right here? Okay, we've got 2200 microfarad, 16 volt. How does that compare to Corsair? 00:05:16.880 --> 00:05:21.440 Same. Well, I've got five of them per power supply for the 12 volt rail. 00:05:23.760 --> 00:05:31.120 I have 16. Now that matters a lot, because when all of a sudden you kick on a game, 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:38.640 your 3080 or your 30, a heck, your 3050 Ti, okay, is going to suddenly draw 12 volt power from the 00:05:38.640 --> 00:05:44.800 system. And if you don't have enough of a buffer in these capacitors, well your voltages can drop, 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:49.280 which can cause your system to, well, worst case scenario, it's completely shut off. 00:05:50.320 --> 00:05:56.320 Well, or in the case of, like, a 3090, your voltage doesn't drop and it just, your amperage goes to 00:05:56.320 --> 00:06:02.000 the moon. Which is bad. Yeah, which is when your power supply goes. I feel like I'm probably 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:07.040 missing some really sketchy stuff, though. Oh, we're missing, we're missing one of these boys 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:12.240 who was supposed to be on the board here. Well, and you just missed the other thing that's missing. 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:17.040 Oh, wait, what is it? What's supposed to be here? Wait, is this just bridged? Are these just wires? 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:21.440 What's supposed to be there? It's something called a common mode choke. Wait, they just, 00:06:21.440 --> 00:06:25.440 they just soldered wires across it. Yes, and that's not a common mode choke. I can guarantee that. 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:35.200 What the hell? That's a good one. That's a good one. It's a rare hollow foil. It's a rare mode 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.600 To be clear, it's not unheard of for a PCB to have solder points that go unused. For example, 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:47.120 many GPU PCBs, if they're designed for use in both consumer cards and server cards, 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:51.920 will have solder points for power connectors, both on the top for the gaming variants, 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:57.040 and at the back for the server variants, since most servers are either 3U or 4U and won't 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:02.160 accommodate this power nonsense sticking out the top of them. But this is not that. 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.280 This is missing components. 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:14.000 Okay, does it get worse or does it get better? It would still probably work. I mean, all it does 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:18.800 is stop common mode current, which is basically current flowing in the same direction, both on 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:24.000 live and neutral. So, referred to as live and return. So, neutral is generally where your 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.240 current returns, and you don't want current going opposite to where it should be going, 00:07:28.320 --> 00:07:33.120 returning to. So, the common mode choke stops there from happening. Is the simplest way to 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:38.160 explain it without going into too much detail? So, probably it'll work, but it's not good. 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:45.680 It means half your EMI filter is just not there. Got it, cool. That one has one, at least one, 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:50.160 and probably more X and Y class capacitors. Yeah, right, okay. I think this is the bare minimum 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:55.600 needed to make it turn on. Cool. Is there anything else that really jumped out at us? 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:01.840 Not really. I mean, from there, we go into a standard full bridge rectifier, 00:08:01.840 --> 00:08:06.320 then we go into just a regular smoothing capacitor, and then this is pretty interesting. 00:08:06.320 --> 00:08:11.840 So, we got this wrong the last time we reviewed a power supply. It's an NTC, but it doesn't do 00:08:11.840 --> 00:08:16.640 anything with temperature. It's actually an inrush current limiter. Cool. So, it's when you 00:08:16.640 --> 00:08:20.640 plug this in, you don't trip your breaker by charging these caps. Oh, that's pretty cool. 00:08:20.640 --> 00:08:27.520 Yeah, right. So, as it heats up, it loads its resistance. So, after the inrush event has happened, 00:08:27.520 --> 00:08:32.960 its resistance lowers down to something where it's, in theory, negligible, but they have this relay 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.800 here because it's actually not once you run enough current through it. Okay. So, this relay, 00:08:36.800 --> 00:08:40.320 once the inrush current event is over, actually pulls this out of the circuit. 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:45.120 Got it, cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Well, I'm good to go then. Yeah. Let's power up some 3080s. 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:51.680 Your resistor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We can't, so, we can't do anything right now until we take 00:08:51.680 --> 00:08:57.360 this board and resolder this resistor over here. Wait, what, why? Because it's not connected. 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:02.960 It's not soldered properly. Oh. And that's one half of a current sensing resistor needed to 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:06.960 actually make the power factor correction work properly. Oh my god, it's not soldered. Yeah. 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.320 It's just completely not soldered. So, I know, yeah, that's one thing I noticed. 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:15.520 Well, how many other things are not soldered? I do not know. That's the only one I saw. 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:20.240 It don't work without the broken resistor. 00:09:23.520 --> 00:09:29.120 Anyway, did we swap the connectors for the fans? You reassembled this. Did you switch the fan 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.480 connector? This looks almost certainly like it's supposed to be here for how much slack is on it. 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:38.560 So, the funny thing was this whole fan arrangement is pretty janky. 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:45.760 In what way? You got two fans per power supply. You got two fan connectors per power supply, 00:09:45.760 --> 00:09:50.080 seems pretty good to me. Yes, just for some reason, when I took this apart, I remember 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:55.360 one of these fans, the case fans, was plugged into this location. And the other one was plugged 00:09:55.360 --> 00:10:01.280 into another one. I don't know if it matters. Probably doesn't. But there's a lot of things that 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.800 are a bit weird when you try and like put two power supplies together. 00:10:06.800 --> 00:10:10.640 Look, Mom, I found a zip tie. Oh, yeah, that was me. I cut that off because I needed to pull the 00:10:10.640 --> 00:10:16.240 board up. Okay, we ready? Yeah. Okay, let's pull the board up. I think we should teamwork this. 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:22.080 Alex, can you support the power supply at this angle? You're going to need to do it from that 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:29.360 side because David's got a film. Oh, boy. Right into the solder iron. Okay. So, Alex, if I don't 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:35.760 have to support the power supply, that would be amazing. If I can just hold the board, you got it? 00:10:35.760 --> 00:10:42.320 No, no, just the power supply, the outer housing. Oh, yeah. Got that. Okay. And then we can just 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:52.800 tuck this boy away. See you later. Okay, and then I will just push the resistors down. So, 00:10:52.800 --> 00:10:58.000 when the solder on the back is molten, I'm going to stick the leg through the hole, 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.440 and then it should just grab on. Okay, so you ready? Okay. This one, this one, this one. Should we do 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:08.400 this one first? Yeah, we can do the top one first. One sec. Oh, I mean, I'm just going to heat up the 00:11:08.400 --> 00:11:14.960 solder and hope to heck that this freaking solder iron has enough power to do it. Oh, oh, oh, oh! 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:24.160 Oh, I see it. Yes! Yes, Terran! Yes! Okay, it's crowning. Can we post that? Okay, did it go through? 00:11:24.160 --> 00:11:28.640 Yeah. Do we have full penetration? Yes, we do. Okay. All right, just like clean it up. I'm doing 00:11:28.640 --> 00:11:33.200 the one next to it. Let's go. Okay, sure. Just hold it there. The one below it is already molten. 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:38.720 I'll see you in five minutes. No, no, this one will be... Oh, yeah! It's already good. Periltration! 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:44.000 Given it a little... Okay. For the nation. Okay, all right. Okay? Yes. Oh, no, the resistors the wrong 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:53.040 way around. Shut up, it is not. And if it was, you wouldn't know it. The resistors the wrong way around. 00:11:53.040 --> 00:11:58.160 That was awesome. I can't believe that you managed to save this thing before we actually 00:11:58.160 --> 00:12:01.200 powered it on, because otherwise this wouldn't have been much of a video, would it? It would have 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:07.760 slowed out probably. Unless it did. I don't know. Not having a resistor somewhere seems like the 00:12:07.760 --> 00:12:12.480 resistor is probably there for a reason. I don't know. I mean, it's used, it's used to current 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:18.320 sense, right? So it's a very low resistance resistor. This coil looking thing at the end, 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:25.120 yeah, is... I forgot what the thing is called. But, oh, it's a gate driver. It's a gate driving 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:31.200 transformer basically. There's a whole bunch of cables wound together, and then there's a thin 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:36.880 cable. So I think that thin cable is the signal driver and induces a voltage in there and then 00:12:36.880 --> 00:12:41.840 like makes that same voltage go across all these other lines. Right. These copper windings are 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:47.520 supposed to be laminated so they don't touch each other. The lamination is broken on a couple of 00:12:47.520 --> 00:12:53.120 these. I don't know if that's a problem. Okay. Eh. Good luck everybody. Oh, we need to do one more 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:58.560 sketchy thing. Oh, one more sketchy thing. I want to power this thing on you guys. You're 00:12:58.560 --> 00:13:01.920 killing me here. In order to know how much the power supply is drawing, normally you'd use 00:13:01.920 --> 00:13:07.600 something like this. Unfortunately, those only work for 110 volts. So I bought this thing right 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:17.120 here. It's a, it was what, like 20 bucks? Kind of sketchy. Wait, you just put the cable through 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:23.040 here and then you get a readout. It's sort of, yeah. But wait, how do you get this around the 00:13:23.040 --> 00:13:27.280 cable? Well, that's the sketchy thing that we have to do. Oh my god, you're just going to cut it. 00:13:27.280 --> 00:13:34.400 Yeah. I don't even object. Now viewers, I'm sorry that this is what we're doing, but there is a 00:13:34.400 --> 00:13:40.400 good reason. We're buying cheap crap like this because we bought a very expensive tester that's 00:13:40.400 --> 00:13:44.880 going to be arriving soon, but not super soon because shortage is. So we don't want to blow a 00:13:44.880 --> 00:13:49.760 bunch of money on something that we're just going to replace like immediately. Well, this is the 00:13:49.760 --> 00:13:53.200 part of the video where we tell you not to do this. This is the second part of the job. Yeah, 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:57.520 this is the, yeah, don't do this. Oh, your power supply isn't that bad compared to this. 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.640 Oh, you already cut it, never mind. Yeah, I just got a lot of electrical tape. 00:14:02.640 --> 00:14:07.760 Yeah, we'll need a lot of electrical tape. If something bad happens, it's going to be a fire. 00:14:07.760 --> 00:14:11.040 So standing there isn't really going to help you much. Are you proud of it, Linus? No. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:18.400 For the record, don't you? Yeah, don't do this. Yeah, really though. A lot of the time we say 00:14:18.400 --> 00:14:24.880 don't do this. This is like, for realsies, do not do this. This is 240 volt with just like 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:34.880 bare ass marettes. Well, that doesn't matter. It doesn't. The electricity doesn't 00:14:34.880 --> 00:14:40.320 fucking care what cable it's going through. Okay, which ones do I put this in? 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:48.240 We should frame this. This is horrible. Then we spliced in these leads. Okay, 00:14:48.800 --> 00:14:52.880 this thing's terrifying. This is horrible. Where's all that electrical tape at? Do we have it? 00:14:52.880 --> 00:14:56.160 We have electrical tape. Okay, I want electrical tape over this. 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:03.840 Well, it's not going anywhere, is it? Look, it's a little doggie. Oh, yeah, it is. 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:10.560 Okay, are we filming? I suggest using a foot power meter for the record. 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:20.720 Yeah, after we'd already done this. That ship's saved. Well, who needs this 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:26.240 chumptastic, pinner, little power supply now that I have this boy? 00:15:27.040 --> 00:15:31.440 It's the famously terrible C-Sonic platinum. Yes. 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:43.040 Oh my god, it fits. Is this heavier than that? Oh, probably. For all the cables hanging off of 00:15:43.040 --> 00:15:49.280 it, this is not a heavy power supply. Okay, here's your GPU power connectors. 00:15:49.280 --> 00:15:55.280 Oh, take her back out. Take her back out. Yeah, go back out. 00:15:55.280 --> 00:16:01.760 You want it like that. Yeah, we'll put this through. Okay, nice. 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:13.200 Oh no, okay. This is scary. Okay, go ahead and plug it in. You need to come get closer if you're 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:17.040 going to be part of the shot. Why me? Oh, I was talking to him, but sure, go for it. Okay. I'm so 00:16:17.040 --> 00:16:24.560 eager. Okay, this thing powered up, so that's good. Nice. 209 volts, so we're like right smack on 00:16:24.560 --> 00:16:30.960 the 208 volts we're supposed to have in here. Zero watts, which makes sense because it's not 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:36.800 doing anything right now. Okay, you might say this puppy has a lot of energy. 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:45.440 Good luck, everybody. This power supply powers on the system. Here's my RGB. Even when the switch 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:53.680 is powered off because it's not wired up right. It works. Well, yeah. Well, what do you mean of 00:16:53.680 --> 00:17:01.040 course it does? We had to solder a resistor back into it. Here we go. Man, that's annoying and loud. 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:10.880 What's our load to stress this thing? Blender. Blender. Okay. That worked best for the Camino. 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.840 Are we at 275 watts already according to this? 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:21.440 192. Yeah, I guess so. I forgot. This is old Intel ATDT. This thing is a juicy boy. 00:17:23.760 --> 00:17:30.080 Yes. Okay. Sorry, not idle. I am surprised that at idle it is doing like 200 watts. 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:35.920 I'm not. It's a lot. This is probably not that efficient. Yeah, it's probably not that efficient. 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:43.120 Oh, you're right. And the efficiency curve of this thing at only a couple hundred watts 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:48.000 is going to be like freaking terrible. There we go. Now all the fans are spinning. 00:17:49.520 --> 00:17:50.240 Feeling fine. 00:17:55.360 --> 00:17:59.680 Yeah, but I need this one. I need this little cable tie here to keep this riser out of that fan. 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:05.920 Even at idle, doing nothing. This is drawing 330 watts from the wall. 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:13.920 Doing absolutely nothing. So does it work? I mean, we haven't made it to 3450 necessarily, 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:20.880 but we sure as heck got to 2500. We also don't know exactly what the efficiency of this is. 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:27.760 So 2500 from the wall, sure, according to this thing, but it's clear that we need some more 00:18:27.760 --> 00:18:32.320 sophisticated equipment in order to really put this thing through its paces. Now tell me, 00:18:32.320 --> 00:18:38.320 can our power supply tester do this kind of load? Yes. Really? So we got the good one. 00:18:38.320 --> 00:18:45.680 I got 3500. So like 50 watts more than what this can do is our limit. 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:51.760 Can we just appreciate how much heat has come off of this? Yeah, it has warmed this room. I literally said that like two minutes ago. 00:18:51.760 --> 00:18:56.240 It has warmed the room, guys. Wow. This is like sitting around the campfire. 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:01.760 You guys got some marshmallows? I'm just waiting for this thing to blow up.