1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,520 I always get concerned when companies make up their own certifications. 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:08,400 90 plus platinum? Not a thing. And if it was, it would probably be platinum colored, not gold, 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:14,880 which makes me wonder how much of anything else on here is actually real. I assume this is real. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:22,480 It supports 180 to 200 volt AC input, which makes sense. There's no way you'd blow the 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:28,960 circuit before you manage to pull 3000 watts out of a 120 volt circuit. Is it time to open it? 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,000 Actually, before we do that, isn't this the icon that means not dishwasher safe? 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,920 Yeah, I think so. They're correct. 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,920 Technically not wrong. Oh, are you opening up a real power supply? 9 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:51,680 Yeah, so this is a 1600i. You kind of want two of these to get over 3000 watts. 10 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,280 Yeah. Kyle's our lead creator, warehouse engineer, and he apparently spent the last 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,840 few weekends learning about power supplies after being put on the spot last time we opened up 12 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,320 this catchy power supply. So hopefully he's able to provide us a little bit more insight this time 13 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:08,960 around. We'll see how good his studying skills are. So Kyle, you've already opened this, right? 14 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:18,480 Yes. Be careful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, right. This is the part of the video where we say, 15 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:25,600 don't do this. We do not recommend opening up any kind of AC to DC power supply. 16 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:31,600 There are capacitors in here that will store enough power to throw you back across the room. 17 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,320 Maybe not quite that much. CRT TVs, yes. These maybe not quite so much, but you could die, okay? 18 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,200 Bear, is that fair to say? Yeah. Okay, cool. I wouldn't say, yeah, you're not going to get 19 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:46,960 heated across the room. With a CRT maybe? We don't have CRTs anymore. Well, some of us do. 20 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,000 That's good for you. I just bought a CRT. David just bought a CRT. 21 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,240 All of the four people here, half of them still have CRTs. 22 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,040 Don't you just use scan lines and butters? Or is it just not the same? No, it's not the same. 23 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,960 Okay. Well, can I try first? Yes. Okay. 24 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:14,960 And the comments will correct all of us, sir. Yeah. This should kind of be all you need to know, 25 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:22,240 though, because this is what a quality 1600 watt power supply looks like next to a random 26 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:32,240 banggood.com 3400 watt power supply. Look at the size of this primary side cap. Okay? Holy bananas. 27 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,200 The size doesn't matter, Linus. Well, capacity does. Generally speaking, 28 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,320 size corresponds to capacity. What is the capacity written on top of this one? 29 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,160 All right. Give me a sec. Give me a sec. Well, yeah, but it's just because it's written on it, 30 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:57,520 doesn't mean, okay. Uh, 454, 680 microfarads. Okay. 270 each. 270 each. So the size clearly 31 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,760 mattered a little bit. Okay. What are you insecure? 32 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:12,400 You don't have a witty comeback for that. Let's get a shot of the 270. 270. He doubts me. Hold on. 33 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,640 Go back to wide. Go back to wide. Go back to wide. He doubts me. He's double checking. No, no, no. 34 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:21,120 You're double checking. Actually, I'm checking something else. So this is Nippon. I'm butchering 35 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,280 the pronunciation of that. Yeah. But that's a good brand. The problem is, so does that, 36 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:30,400 but it's so fuzzy that I think they just silkscreen whatever the flip they wanted on to the outside. 37 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:37,040 Because look how clear the silkscreen is on that. Yes. You can tell exactly what the flip that is. 38 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:44,160 Here it is on this guy, on these primary side caps. Yeah, you can't, like, yeah. 39 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:52,240 And even the DPI on this is so much higher. Even like the O, like this, this band that you see on 40 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:59,280 Nippon caps, it's sharp. You see that? On this one, it's super fuzzy. And like, 41 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,800 you could just scratch it off. That's nowhere that says Nippon. It does. It's just really cheap. 42 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:10,720 I also couldn't help noticing that the definitely genuine Nippon ones have metal tops, and these 43 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:17,280 have plastic tops, which they might have, they might have other models that have a plastic top or 44 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:23,440 whatever. But any differences we're seeing here, not great indicators, I think is fair enough to say. 45 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:36,560 Well, we can already see that it's rated for less than even the secondaries on this bad boy. 46 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:42,720 These are both, what are they, 470 microfarad each. To give some context for why this capacity 47 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:48,480 matters, here's Alex with a good power supply. What, you're just putting a spot like that? 48 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:54,400 Yeah. Oh, well these guys right here, they do your 400 volt stuff. The capacity of them doesn't 49 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,760 matter so much for your system stability as your, like, overall efficiency of the unit. 50 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,440 Okay. The ones down here are the ones that matter for your, like, 12 volt rail, and you're 51 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:10,320 3090 not shutting your system down. And wait a second. That's all I've got? These little wimpy 52 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:15,840 boys right here? Okay, we've got 2200 microfarad, 16 volt. How does that compare to Corsair? 53 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,440 Same. Well, I've got five of them per power supply for the 12 volt rail. 54 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:31,120 I have 16. Now that matters a lot, because when all of a sudden you kick on a game, 55 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:38,640 your 3080 or your 30, a heck, your 3050 Ti, okay, is going to suddenly draw 12 volt power from the 56 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:44,800 system. And if you don't have enough of a buffer in these capacitors, well your voltages can drop, 57 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,280 which can cause your system to, well, worst case scenario, it's completely shut off. 58 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:56,320 Well, or in the case of, like, a 3090, your voltage doesn't drop and it just, your amperage goes to 59 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:02,000 the moon. Which is bad. Yeah, which is when your power supply goes. I feel like I'm probably 60 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,040 missing some really sketchy stuff, though. Oh, we're missing, we're missing one of these boys 61 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:12,240 who was supposed to be on the board here. Well, and you just missed the other thing that's missing. 62 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:17,040 Oh, wait, what is it? What's supposed to be here? Wait, is this just bridged? Are these just wires? 63 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,440 What's supposed to be there? It's something called a common mode choke. Wait, they just, 64 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,440 they just soldered wires across it. Yes, and that's not a common mode choke. I can guarantee that. 65 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:35,200 What the hell? That's a good one. That's a good one. It's a rare hollow foil. It's a rare mode 66 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:41,600 To be clear, it's not unheard of for a PCB to have solder points that go unused. For example, 67 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:47,120 many GPU PCBs, if they're designed for use in both consumer cards and server cards, 68 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,920 will have solder points for power connectors, both on the top for the gaming variants, 69 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:57,040 and at the back for the server variants, since most servers are either 3U or 4U and won't 70 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:02,160 accommodate this power nonsense sticking out the top of them. But this is not that. 71 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,280 This is missing components. 72 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Okay, does it get worse or does it get better? It would still probably work. I mean, all it does 73 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,800 is stop common mode current, which is basically current flowing in the same direction, both on 74 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,000 live and neutral. So, referred to as live and return. So, neutral is generally where your 75 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,240 current returns, and you don't want current going opposite to where it should be going, 76 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,120 returning to. So, the common mode choke stops there from happening. Is the simplest way to 77 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,160 explain it without going into too much detail? So, probably it'll work, but it's not good. 78 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:45,680 It means half your EMI filter is just not there. Got it, cool. That one has one, at least one, 79 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:50,160 and probably more X and Y class capacitors. Yeah, right, okay. I think this is the bare minimum 80 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,600 needed to make it turn on. Cool. Is there anything else that really jumped out at us? 81 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,840 Not really. I mean, from there, we go into a standard full bridge rectifier, 82 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,320 then we go into just a regular smoothing capacitor, and then this is pretty interesting. 83 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,840 So, we got this wrong the last time we reviewed a power supply. It's an NTC, but it doesn't do 84 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,640 anything with temperature. It's actually an inrush current limiter. Cool. So, it's when you 85 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,640 plug this in, you don't trip your breaker by charging these caps. Oh, that's pretty cool. 86 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:27,520 Yeah, right. So, as it heats up, it loads its resistance. So, after the inrush event has happened, 87 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,960 its resistance lowers down to something where it's, in theory, negligible, but they have this relay 88 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,800 here because it's actually not once you run enough current through it. Okay. So, this relay, 89 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,320 once the inrush current event is over, actually pulls this out of the circuit. 90 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,120 Got it, cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Well, I'm good to go then. Yeah. Let's power up some 3080s. 91 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,680 Your resistor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We can't, so, we can't do anything right now until we take 92 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:57,360 this board and resolder this resistor over here. Wait, what, why? Because it's not connected. 93 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,960 It's not soldered properly. Oh. And that's one half of a current sensing resistor needed to 94 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,960 actually make the power factor correction work properly. Oh my god, it's not soldered. Yeah. 95 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,320 It's just completely not soldered. So, I know, yeah, that's one thing I noticed. 96 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,520 Well, how many other things are not soldered? I do not know. That's the only one I saw. 97 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,240 It don't work without the broken resistor. 98 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:29,120 Anyway, did we swap the connectors for the fans? You reassembled this. Did you switch the fan 99 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,480 connector? This looks almost certainly like it's supposed to be here for how much slack is on it. 100 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,560 So, the funny thing was this whole fan arrangement is pretty janky. 101 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,760 In what way? You got two fans per power supply. You got two fan connectors per power supply, 102 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,080 seems pretty good to me. Yes, just for some reason, when I took this apart, I remember 103 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,360 one of these fans, the case fans, was plugged into this location. And the other one was plugged 104 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:01,280 into another one. I don't know if it matters. Probably doesn't. But there's a lot of things that 105 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,800 are a bit weird when you try and like put two power supplies together. 106 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,640 Look, Mom, I found a zip tie. Oh, yeah, that was me. I cut that off because I needed to pull the 107 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:16,240 board up. Okay, we ready? Yeah. Okay, let's pull the board up. I think we should teamwork this. 108 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,080 Alex, can you support the power supply at this angle? You're going to need to do it from that 109 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:29,360 side because David's got a film. Oh, boy. Right into the solder iron. Okay. So, Alex, if I don't 110 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:35,760 have to support the power supply, that would be amazing. If I can just hold the board, you got it? 111 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:42,320 No, no, just the power supply, the outer housing. Oh, yeah. Got that. Okay. And then we can just 112 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:52,800 tuck this boy away. See you later. Okay, and then I will just push the resistors down. So, 113 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:58,000 when the solder on the back is molten, I'm going to stick the leg through the hole, 114 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,440 and then it should just grab on. Okay, so you ready? Okay. This one, this one, this one. Should we do 115 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,400 this one first? Yeah, we can do the top one first. One sec. Oh, I mean, I'm just going to heat up the 116 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:14,960 solder and hope to heck that this freaking solder iron has enough power to do it. Oh, oh, oh, oh! 117 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:24,160 Oh, I see it. Yes! Yes, Terran! Yes! Okay, it's crowning. Can we post that? Okay, did it go through? 118 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Yeah. Do we have full penetration? Yes, we do. Okay. All right, just like clean it up. I'm doing 119 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,200 the one next to it. Let's go. Okay, sure. Just hold it there. The one below it is already molten. 120 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,720 I'll see you in five minutes. No, no, this one will be... Oh, yeah! It's already good. Periltration! 121 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:44,000 Given it a little... Okay. For the nation. Okay, all right. Okay? Yes. Oh, no, the resistors the wrong 122 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:53,040 way around. Shut up, it is not. And if it was, you wouldn't know it. The resistors the wrong way around. 123 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:58,160 That was awesome. I can't believe that you managed to save this thing before we actually 124 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,200 powered it on, because otherwise this wouldn't have been much of a video, would it? It would have 125 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:07,760 slowed out probably. Unless it did. I don't know. Not having a resistor somewhere seems like the 126 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,480 resistor is probably there for a reason. I don't know. I mean, it's used, it's used to current 127 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,320 sense, right? So it's a very low resistance resistor. This coil looking thing at the end, 128 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:25,120 yeah, is... I forgot what the thing is called. But, oh, it's a gate driver. It's a gate driving 129 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:31,200 transformer basically. There's a whole bunch of cables wound together, and then there's a thin 130 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,880 cable. So I think that thin cable is the signal driver and induces a voltage in there and then 131 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,840 like makes that same voltage go across all these other lines. Right. These copper windings are 132 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:47,520 supposed to be laminated so they don't touch each other. The lamination is broken on a couple of 133 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:53,120 these. I don't know if that's a problem. Okay. Eh. Good luck everybody. Oh, we need to do one more 134 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:58,560 sketchy thing. Oh, one more sketchy thing. I want to power this thing on you guys. You're 135 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:01,920 killing me here. In order to know how much the power supply is drawing, normally you'd use 136 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:07,600 something like this. Unfortunately, those only work for 110 volts. So I bought this thing right 137 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:17,120 here. It's a, it was what, like 20 bucks? Kind of sketchy. Wait, you just put the cable through 138 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:23,040 here and then you get a readout. It's sort of, yeah. But wait, how do you get this around the 139 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,280 cable? Well, that's the sketchy thing that we have to do. Oh my god, you're just going to cut it. 140 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:34,400 Yeah. I don't even object. Now viewers, I'm sorry that this is what we're doing, but there is a 141 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,400 good reason. We're buying cheap crap like this because we bought a very expensive tester that's 142 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,880 going to be arriving soon, but not super soon because shortage is. So we don't want to blow a 143 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,760 bunch of money on something that we're just going to replace like immediately. Well, this is the 144 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,200 part of the video where we tell you not to do this. This is the second part of the job. Yeah, 145 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,520 this is the, yeah, don't do this. Oh, your power supply isn't that bad compared to this. 146 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Oh, you already cut it, never mind. Yeah, I just got a lot of electrical tape. 147 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,760 Yeah, we'll need a lot of electrical tape. If something bad happens, it's going to be a fire. 148 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,040 So standing there isn't really going to help you much. Are you proud of it, Linus? No. 149 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,400 For the record, don't you? Yeah, don't do this. Yeah, really though. A lot of the time we say 150 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:24,880 don't do this. This is like, for realsies, do not do this. This is 240 volt with just like 151 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:34,880 bare ass marettes. Well, that doesn't matter. It doesn't. The electricity doesn't 152 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:40,320 fucking care what cable it's going through. Okay, which ones do I put this in? 153 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:48,240 We should frame this. This is horrible. Then we spliced in these leads. Okay, 154 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,880 this thing's terrifying. This is horrible. Where's all that electrical tape at? Do we have it? 155 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,160 We have electrical tape. Okay, I want electrical tape over this. 156 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,840 Well, it's not going anywhere, is it? Look, it's a little doggie. Oh, yeah, it is. 157 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:10,560 Okay, are we filming? I suggest using a foot power meter for the record. 158 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:20,720 Yeah, after we'd already done this. That ship's saved. Well, who needs this 159 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,240 chumptastic, pinner, little power supply now that I have this boy? 160 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,440 It's the famously terrible C-Sonic platinum. Yes. 161 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:43,040 Oh my god, it fits. Is this heavier than that? Oh, probably. For all the cables hanging off of 162 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:49,280 it, this is not a heavy power supply. Okay, here's your GPU power connectors. 163 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:55,280 Oh, take her back out. Take her back out. Yeah, go back out. 164 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:01,760 You want it like that. Yeah, we'll put this through. Okay, nice. 165 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:13,200 Oh no, okay. This is scary. Okay, go ahead and plug it in. You need to come get closer if you're 166 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,040 going to be part of the shot. Why me? Oh, I was talking to him, but sure, go for it. Okay. I'm so 167 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:24,560 eager. Okay, this thing powered up, so that's good. Nice. 209 volts, so we're like right smack on 168 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:30,960 the 208 volts we're supposed to have in here. Zero watts, which makes sense because it's not 169 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:36,800 doing anything right now. Okay, you might say this puppy has a lot of energy. 170 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:45,440 Good luck, everybody. This power supply powers on the system. Here's my RGB. Even when the switch 171 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:53,680 is powered off because it's not wired up right. It works. Well, yeah. Well, what do you mean of 172 00:16:53,680 --> 00:17:01,040 course it does? We had to solder a resistor back into it. Here we go. Man, that's annoying and loud. 173 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:10,880 What's our load to stress this thing? Blender. Blender. Okay. That worked best for the Camino. 174 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,840 Are we at 275 watts already according to this? 175 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:21,440 192. Yeah, I guess so. I forgot. This is old Intel ATDT. This thing is a juicy boy. 176 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:30,080 Yes. Okay. Sorry, not idle. I am surprised that at idle it is doing like 200 watts. 177 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,920 I'm not. It's a lot. This is probably not that efficient. Yeah, it's probably not that efficient. 178 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:43,120 Oh, you're right. And the efficiency curve of this thing at only a couple hundred watts 179 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:48,000 is going to be like freaking terrible. There we go. Now all the fans are spinning. 180 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,240 Feeling fine. 181 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:59,680 Yeah, but I need this one. I need this little cable tie here to keep this riser out of that fan. 182 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,920 Even at idle, doing nothing. This is drawing 330 watts from the wall. 183 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:13,920 Doing absolutely nothing. So does it work? I mean, we haven't made it to 3450 necessarily, 184 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:20,880 but we sure as heck got to 2500. We also don't know exactly what the efficiency of this is. 185 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,760 So 2500 from the wall, sure, according to this thing, but it's clear that we need some more 186 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,320 sophisticated equipment in order to really put this thing through its paces. Now tell me, 187 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:38,320 can our power supply tester do this kind of load? Yes. Really? So we got the good one. 188 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:45,680 I got 3500. So like 50 watts more than what this can do is our limit. 189 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:51,760 Can we just appreciate how much heat has come off of this? Yeah, it has warmed this room. I literally said that like two minutes ago. 190 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,240 It has warmed the room, guys. Wow. This is like sitting around the campfire. 191 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,760 You guys got some marshmallows? I'm just waiting for this thing to blow up.