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When Intel's first-generation ARC GPUs hit the market

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over two years ago, Luke and I switched to them

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for 30 days with results that were, whoa, my FPS is at nine right now.

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What the heck? This is not good. That's why this time,

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instead of putting myself through pain and misery, I've lured into unsuspecting chump,

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I mean, test subjects, to swap out their 90-class GeForce cards

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for Intel's new BattleMage B580 GPU.

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At the end of that 30 days, they're gonna report on everything that's good

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and everything that's not so good, and they will have to decide

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if they are sticking with their Intel cards or going back to their old ones.

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They'll also have to decide if they're gonna segue. To our sponsor?

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Did you get okay? Yeah, it's heavy. Let's go.

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Let's go. Let's go.

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First things first, you guys need to pick or ARM wrestle

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or maybe don't ARM wrestle. Figure out which of you is getting

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the Max Sun iCraft card and which of you is getting the Astrox Steel Legend card.

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Why do you guys want the Steel Legend card? I don't know, he wanted it, so I wanted it. It's the different one.

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It's OC edition. It's probably clocked a little faster.

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I'm actually okay, because I have two systems. I can go matching Max Suns.

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Okay, we're gonna have to talk about that in a little bit. Why do you care so much about this one?

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It's the OC edition, so it's probably clocked a little faster. And I just like the way it looks.

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Look how cool it looks. That does look pretty cool. Yeah, and these are probably RGB,

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related to light up or something. Flow through design? Yeah.

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That is a really, really small board. I know, it's a, it'll be quite the change.

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With that out of the way, let's get this downgrade started.

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Now, I see you've got two computers, and you are getting two cards.

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So what's the deal with the two computers? I'm a glutton for punishment, so I just wanted twice as much pain.

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Oh, that's your girlfriend's PC too. Yes, and I actually have ended up using it quite a bit.

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We moved it over to the TV, and we've been playing games on it a lot,

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so it wouldn't be a fair test if I only did my downstairs computer.

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Wow. I'm committed. Brave. It shouldn't be.

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One concern I have right out of the gate is, you said that this machine is gonna be used for TV gaming.

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I imagine that's a 4K TV. Oh, it sure is.

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We're gonna find out how good XCSS2 is. That's the latest generation of Intel's AI upscaling,

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since obviously these cards are not gonna be rendering modern AAA games at native 4K.

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Of course, it's possible that David and his SO don't play AAA games on the TV, I hope.

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That's pretty much all I play.

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Okay, I know you guys have played through Baldur's Gate 3, but maybe you're done Baldur's Gate 3 now?

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Yeah, we just finished Dragon Age Veil Guard and Mass Effect Trilogy,

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and I'm going through Witcher 3. We're having a bit of trouble on the Witcher

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because I'm using the Ultra Plus settings. No ray tracing or anything,

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but even that, it's struggling to get 60. I don't think you'll be playing on Ultra Plus anymore.

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We're gonna find out. One thing Ark handles well, though, is media encoding.

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And David, I know you used to stream, but I don't think you have done much lately?

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No, I have not, but maybe this is just the boost I need.

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I kinda doubt that. So he won't be getting much of a benefit

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from one of Ark's biggest strong points. With that in mind, what, if anything,

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are you looking forward to? I'm seeing this as shorting the GPU market.

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I am planning on selling both of these cards immediately

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because everything is inflated with this crazy surge pricing,

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and I'm really hoping that in a couple months, things calm down a little bit.

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I might be making the wrong choice, but we'll see. Interesting, so this is a permanent change for you

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kind of regardless of the outcome. Oh yeah.

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Risking it all for the biscuit, man. I love it. And the worst part is that in addition to the 7900XT,

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he's ditching a 3090 right now. Seems like a good time to sell.

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They're going for about a thousand Canadian. I don't think it's gonna stay there.

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I'm really counting on that 9070 and 9070XT to be disruptive in the market

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in a way that AMD hasn't done before.

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Wait, did I hear you right? You're betting on AMD GPU.

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Please have a good price. We're recording this before the 9070 launch.

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It's just, it's good. It's good, it's cool, it's nice. We like it, we're happy.

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They could be cheaper. They could be, they could be cheaper. Please don't be $900.

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Please don't be typical AMD. With that said, the scuttlebutt I heard

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is that AMD is gonna have a ton of stock. That's fantastic, and I think that might drive all the price down.

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And it may actually be the truth because they've literally been shipping these to retailers

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for like two months now. That's fantastic. They delayed it because the software stuff is what I heard.

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Well, and MSRP means almost nothing these days on GPUs

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because everything is at a slightly inflated or a mega inflated price.

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Yeah, even these 580s are at an inflated price. We did find one that was a pretty good deal

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with a power supply for about 335 bucks.

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So it was in a bundle, but all the standalone cards are more like $400.

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Really? Not looking good for David. I mean, one good thing for David

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is that instead of trading his faster GPUs for two $250 GPUs,

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now they're $400 GPUs.

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Profit. Is there any cards with six pin PCIe connectors anymore?

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Cause it feels so annoying. I hate these connectors. Ah.

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Do away with it. There's gotta be something. I don't know, maybe 3060s.

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Yeah. There's at least recent enough ones

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that you kind of still gotta have the six plus two. Not my finest work,

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but hey, at least it's not a 12 volt high power.

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So it probably won't melt. The white looks a lot better than the silver does though.

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Yeah, this build looks great. How's your build?

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Ah, the weight does not match yours. No, it looks a lot out of place. Mind you, I mean, look,

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realistically was this an aesthetic build anyway? No, it's the front that matters.

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I can see why you had me build the girlfriend PC.

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All right. Time for Ploof's downgrade. We're bringing back into like stream downgrade.

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Woo. Yeah. I feel like I've made a huge mistake.

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I feel like you've made a huge mistake too. Yeah.

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I mean, you've got a 4090. I know. The good news is that 4090s are at peak value right now.

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So if you wanted to do the same thing as David and sell it, be pretty smart.

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No, I don't want to do that. I said I wouldn't buy a 5090.

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So what would I upgrade to? Oh. Wait, you're totally gonna buy a 5090 though.

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No, I already told you I don't believe you. I said I wouldn't. I know what you said.

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No, I pre-ordered one, but that's going to him.

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That's going to him. That's going to him. I kept the pre-order.

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It's not, it's from Memrex. So like it'll arrive when it arrives.

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And then he gets to go buy it. And he gets to spend $3,000 plus, Canadian.

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So you are actually just putting your 49TI on the shelf.

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It's gonna hurt. I'm cutting my VRAM in half.

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It's gonna hurt, but at least it won't hurt.

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It's really not gonna. I also want to take the moment to check

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and see if anything's burning or melting. I don't think so, because I'm using the squid.

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Looks good. Yeah, it seems fine. It smells good. Yeah, it smells probably fine.

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What is this back plate? That's a cool RGB back plate that's covered in dust.

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It used to fit my 3090 a lot better than it fits my 4090. It doesn't fit anything.

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It's just sitting here. Yeah, it just sits on top. It's going to fit the 580 perfect.

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It's blocking your flow through cooler. You took the screws out?

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Yeah, someone did. Hold on, I don't got the latch. Yeah, it's hard to get at.

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Okay, I think I got it. Oh, you do, okay. Nice. Okay, excellent.

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There it goes. Now, David was already concerned

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about running the games that he plays at the resolution that he runs at with a B580.

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Now, you are a man who owns a monitor. Yes, several.

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And a man who plays a lot of cutting edge games.

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I do. What's your target resolution and frame rate, typically?

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I don't have a lower resolution display right now because I'm gaming on my TV and my monitor

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and they're both 4K. Okay, and what kind of FPS do you expect out of your GPU?

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Out of my 4090 at like ultra settings, 60 plus,

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you know, in most modern games, native without DLSS or anything.

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Okay, I bet I can get you 60 plus FPS. And 80P.

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Not at ultra settings, maybe 1440. Maybe.

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Maybe 1440, not with this plastic all over it though. I can go down in resolution

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and, you know, I'm actually really excited about XCSS too.

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It's supposed to be pretty good. And I'm not expecting the same level of quality

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that I'm getting now. I'm gonna go to low, maybe medium, probably 1440P,

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maybe even 1440P upscaling from 1080P.

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But, you know, I just, I wanna try it.

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I think they're neat. I think that the value that you can get out of this graphics card, at least at, you know,

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proper MSRP is actually very impressive. And like I said, I did find that one card

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that if you happen to need a power supply is damn near MSRP pricing.

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Intel tells me that they are desperately working on getting enough stock out there.

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I think that even they were shocked by how good this thing was.

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Yeah, I've got friends who love Arc. And with Intel, I actually kind of believe that.

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Like with NVIDIA, I look at it and I go, come on, you guys are just making more AI cards, right?

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But with Intel, especially after what a dog Alchemist was,

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I could legitimately see them being like, oh, let's not make too many of these.

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Oh, wait, it's actually good? Oh, shit.

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Where's our other shipments? Another thing I'm pretty excited about. Okay, I'm gonna let you finish,

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but is that a piece of masking tape holding your SSD in?

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Oh yeah, I couldn't find the screw, the M.2 screw.

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Hey, it still works, it detects. I've never had a single issue with this SSD

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being in the bottom. Sorry, what were you excited about?

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Losing the squid. Oh yeah. Because I have these nice custom cables

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that totally don't suit the build anymore, but you know, they look pretty.

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The RGB backplate for the GPU actually fits like perfectly now.

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It breaks your past through cooling again. I don't care, it looks great.

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Oh man. Anyway, the point is,

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do you have a benefit from the encoding capabilities or?

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I mean, my 4090 would probably do a better job anyway, but this is my Plexbox.

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Okay. I stream everything from this machine because if I'm not gaming.

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That's why it's full of hard drives. It's so heavy.

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I know. It's a little better now, that 4090's out of it. Yeah, but it's still a beefy boy.

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All right, why don't you show us a couple of the games you're playing right now? And let's have a look at what kind of settings you can run.

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I'm only getting 1280 by 720p.

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Oh, we got a DDU, I haven't. Yep, new drivers, let's go.

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Being on NVIDIA all the time means that you can usually just hock your new card in

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and it'll pick it up, but nope, it's time to wipe everything.

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Yep. It might not be as easy as the NVIDIA app, but you know what?

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Just searching Intel Arc drivers took me right to their page

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and the downloads right there. I hope this is gonna be as easy as everyone else makes it.

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Alchemist, the drivers were pretty rough at launch, but this should be okay. It's been a while and they've been, you know,

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just ramping up all their software development ever since Alchemist came out,

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so I'm not super worried about that. You don't seem super worried.

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I'm not worried about driver support.

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I'm worried just strictly about performance. Yeah, I don't need a monitor.

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That's why I set it up here. You look ready to go.

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You know, I'm ready to game. I've got, my drivers are all up to date.

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Yep. I love my drivers. I love that it tells me that Rebar is enabled.

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Right, this is really important for getting the most performance out of Intel Arc.

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Both generations. Pretty much if you have an older system that doesn't support Rebar, don't go Arc.

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Yeah. All right, what are we gonna try first? Bellatro! Bellatro!

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Think it'll handle it? I think it'll handle Bellatro.

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If Bellatro can run on phones, it can run on a B580.

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One nice thing is this is basically, literally the monitor that I have at home.

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And... So this is it? This is it. This is the experience.

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This is basically, you know, I might as well be at home right now. Yo, 240 FPS.

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Let's go. That's all I need. Let's roll this flush.

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Yeah, go Bellatro, go!

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Let's confirm this is better than your 4090. Well, better, I don't know.

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Okay, well, that's whatever. It runs Bellatro great. I'm not gonna keep going with Bellatro.

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Dota, I'm curious though, because we do know I play a lot of Dota.

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Mm-hmm. You know, some people said that, oh, what does this guy need a 5094?

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All he plays is Dota. That's not true. I might have a lot of hours in Dota,

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but that's over like years. Player score. This looks terrible.

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I hear the fans going. The menu, we got like 250 frames a second.

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Let me make sure all my settings didn't get changed or anything. Oh, it defaulted to basic settings.

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I thought it looked awful. So I'll use advanced and I'll turn on all the things

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that I would normally, oh, not this thing, that I would normally have on.

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Okay, we're not in game. It's already struggling a bit. Like this doesn't usually hitch that bad.

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I'm just playing against bots so I can skip ahead. I'm getting 160, 170 frames a second.

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Something looks bad though. Game screen render quality was that 40%?

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That's why. That's why. Uh-oh.

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Okay. Uh-oh, we're in trouble, boys. It looks better.

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I'm still getting 140, 150 frames a second.

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Now that's weird. Your 1% lows were under 100

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when it was rendering at 40%. Yeah. Now they're fine.

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Now it's just dead even frame times.

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Okay, that I cannot explain. Okay, well, you know,

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Dota 4K ultra settings, like, don't get me wrong. It's not 240 Hertz like my monitor supports,

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but like 150 in a MOBA?

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That's fine. This is totally playable. Let's try seven rebirth.

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This is gonna be tough though because remember with the 5090 surprisingly, it didn't improve performance all that much.

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So what I'd really like to see is how much it's gonna dip

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when I take multiple steps down. Still installing graphics drivers.

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Okay, see you later, David. I don't know if it's still set to ultra.

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I'm gonna find out in a second, but I'm getting 40 FPS.

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It's not set to ultra. And 21 FPS. Hold on, let's just take a look-see.

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It looked like it might've been set to 4K. Yeah, it is. Is that the 4K v-sync?

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Oh, no, no, it's not. Oh, it's dynamic resolution scaling.

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Okay, 100%. So it's not even, but it was set to ultra.

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So here, like let's just go straight to medium. This is a very PlayStation 5 level experience.

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You're getting 40 FPS. I like that my 1% lows aren't awful.

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Yeah, even frame pacing, that's something. It's cool.

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Wanna take us outdoors? Okay, so this is just outside the like...

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1% lows in the 20 FPS range?

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It's playable. I don't think you're playing it at 4K, bro.

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No, probably not. Altern on resolution scaling.

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Okay, let's have a look. Okay, 66% is a lot better. This is way better.

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Oh, dude. Yeah, yeah. This is fine. It's totally fine.

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This is fine. Okay. Okay. I'm feeling pretty good about this already.

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David, you ready? No. Okay. I don't know where rebar is.

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I'll try another game. It got very upset when I closed the game. That's not what my desktop background looks like.

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Wait, David, how old is this BIOS? Does this say copyright 2019?

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Sure does. Your BIOS is from 2019, bro.

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Let's flash a new BIOS on here and then I'm sure we'll be able to find a resizable bar.

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It did fix itself after a while, but it also, for whatever reason,

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reverted my display to 60 Hertz.

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All right, we're on path of exile now. It's got XCSS support.

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Yeah. Okay, I went down to balanced. Uh-oh.

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And I had to turn some stuff to low or medium.

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I don't think you're getting AA, dude. Well, you know what though?

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It looks okay. Actually, this does kind of look okay. It's not that bad

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and I'm getting like 50 plus 1%. X looks all right.

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Yeah, like I'm actually not super disappointed with this. Normally playing controller,

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so I can't even remember what my keybinds are for most. Yeah, but it doesn't auto switch yet.

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Uh-oh. Okay, I died. But 80 plus, you know, 1% are dipping.

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Actually, it looks not bad. And it looks okay. You know what's going to be interesting

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about this experiment? To see if you get a little less diva-y,

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will you appreciate your 40, 90 more when you go back to it?

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I think so. I think I'll appreciate it more. You know, it's not perfect, but it's pretty good.

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Yeah. And soon David will get to enjoy it.

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Hey, there we go. Yeah, copyright 2024, that's more like it.

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Do you guys think that a normal person would go through this for a frigging graphics card?

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No, I don't think most people know how to enable rebar.

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Update their BIOS. Or update their BIOS. People watching these videos probably do, but you know.

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Stay cool, guys. Man, that's a good looking PC.

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And with that white GPU, love it. Cloud storage is kind of the best

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because I can switch between my Steam Deck and my PC whenever I want.

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Yeah, dude, Steam Cloud Save was such a game changer.

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Every time I used to format, that was the thing I would be most scared of.

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Because photos, I had all my stuff organized, it was all fine. But games, some of them would go to the my games folder,

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some of them would be in my documents, some of them would be in program files, and then next to the game executable.

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And so you had to go look it up game by game to make sure you didn't lose all your save data.

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My big complaint is that you can't manually choose which file to save.

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It does it automatically, and it'll ask you if you want to overwrite,

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and then you can say no and figure it out. But it'd be nice if I could specifically be like,

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that file is the one I want, download it right now.

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Okay, here we go. You know what? She's a little soft.

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But I played with 1080p FSR at home,

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because I sit fairly far away from my computer, so FSR balanced.

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I guess it's just- You're not playing with motion blur on, are you? Yeah, I like motion blur.

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Oh! Because I want my games to look like movies. In motion, the clarity is definitely reduced.

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We're also inches from a 65-inch display.

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That's fair. Like go 10 feet away and tell me how it looks.

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Okay. I'm gonna sit at what would be a comfortable, okay, you know what, it's fine.

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Yeah. Fine. I'll allow it.

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It looks a little like jittery and low FPS-y, but I think that's just because you're on a mouse.

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It's okay, don't worry. We will not be judging you. Let's judge him.

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Not fair, I don't have control. Oh, yeah.

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Does that make- It's totally fine. Not even that much worse than it was.

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I was at a lock 60, and this is, you know, 52-53.

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And so I'll have to tinker with the settings a little bit, because I'm playing on a non-VRR display, but.

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Still. I'm actually pretty impressed. This is very usable and looks really good.

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Are you actually rendering it 4K? It looks- No, no, no, no, no, this is 1080p.

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Okay. This is FSR. Man, they need to flood the market with these things

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and get them down to 249, 259, even 269, I'll accept,

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you know? It's a pretty nice price, but they've gotta get it close.

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Well, the fact that we're both having decent experiences

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on like very challenging displays to use,

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I'm very impressed already. Not bad. Detail in the foliage is not great,

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but our character models are pretty good, and I'm not seeing a ton of ugly aliasing

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