WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.360 During the Apple Studio and M1 Ultra unveiling back in March, Apple featured a selection 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:12.880 of professional applications to demonstrate just how far the new SoC is. 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:17.080 One app from the keynote that caught my eye was Clo3D. 00:00:17.080 --> 00:00:21.680 It's a 3D clothing simulator that fashion designers can use to prototype their designs 00:00:21.680 --> 00:00:25.840 without ever cutting a piece of fabric. It's the perfect app to try. 00:00:25.840 --> 00:00:30.000 Every fashion industry has always loved the Mac, and a 3D workflow like this will push 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:34.160 all those 64 new GPU cores hard, right? 00:00:34.160 --> 00:00:39.520 Well, to find out, I lent a Mac Studio to a fashion designer who, if you can believe 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:46.360 it, switched to PC. Let's see if we can win him back. 00:00:46.360 --> 00:00:51.800 This is Matthew Liu. He's a fashion designer here at the Creator Warehouse, actually, designing many of the 00:00:51.800 --> 00:00:56.320 clothes and accessories found on LTTstore.com. 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:00.880 Right now, though, he's planning on submitting an entry to the 3D Creative Design Competition, 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:08.040 which is being hosted by Clo3D. So every year, Clo3D does this 3D design contest. 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:13.280 Yeah, I always wanted to sign up for this contest every year, but I always forget about 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:20.680 it, and I miss the deadline. But luckily, this year I remembered, and I was able to register for that. 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:25.800 So, by laying you all when it comes to computers, he has switched to using his PC full-time. 00:01:25.800 --> 00:01:29.600 So you got a pretty powerful computer. 00:01:29.600 --> 00:01:40.800 What specs do you got? So here I have the Ryzen 93950X 6-in-core processor with a 16GB RAM and RTX 3060Ti. 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:44.280 I do love how you have an Apple logo. 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.440 Yeah, because, you know, still Apple by heart. 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:51.840 Look what I have. Your computer might be small, but this is even smaller. 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:58.120 Price-wise, it costs about the same as a base M1 Max Max Studio at around $2,000. 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:05.960 Um, but I switched to PC mostly because I wanted to use Clo3D more, but it runs very slow on macOS. 00:02:05.960 --> 00:02:12.080 I've always had a gaming PC that I used for gaming, but then I upgraded that just so I could use Clo when I was in school. 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:20.920 Well, we can't have that. So what we're going to do is give him a Mac Studio with all the bells and whistles to see if it's good enough with Clo3D to switch him back to Mac. 00:02:20.920 --> 00:02:23.920 This is the dream. Excited? 00:02:23.920 --> 00:02:28.280 Yeah, I'm excited. I'm really excited to see how this goes for you. 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:31.480 So I guess we'll report back in a little bit. Yeah. All right. 00:02:31.480 --> 00:02:32.920 Best of luck, my friend. 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:43.160 So when they announced this year's theme, a new definition of craftsmanship, for us, I need to figure out what. 00:02:43.160 --> 00:02:51.160 What that means. So I end up going towards the idea of kind of more abstract weave design. 00:02:51.160 --> 00:02:52.440 To summarize, it's very difficult. 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:59.600 I never expected to see fashion designers using 3D software to design their clothing. 00:02:59.600 --> 00:03:05.080 It's pretty neat, but how useful is it? Basically, it's a fabric simulator. 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:11.160 You can quickly simulate your clothing on an avatar and then make changes based on that. 00:03:11.160 --> 00:03:20.440 Filling a project would usually take hours, days, being able to use the software to adjust your designs, 00:03:20.440 --> 00:03:23.840 make sure it works, where you actually start producing the real one. 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:31.440 But it cuts out issues and troubles down in line so that you can kind of build ideas quicker. 00:03:31.440 --> 00:03:35.480 So my first day, I set up a computer, I installed all the software that I need. 00:03:35.480 --> 00:03:42.880 I start with kind of like a template of how I want the fit to kind of look like. 00:03:42.880 --> 00:03:49.760 I do all that, I simulate it, it looks good, then that's when I start adding the actual weaving detail. 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:53.680 That's where it starts getting a little tricky on the Mac Studio, 00:03:53.680 --> 00:04:02.920 because things start to slow down and it was very hard to kind of weave pieces together without frame rates dropping too low. 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:13.400 So I tried it on my PC and then it ran like so much faster. 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:22.200 Like the FPS increased like dramatically, so you can simulate with CPU or GPU. 00:04:22.200 --> 00:04:30.520 And on the PC being able to simulate with the GPU makes certain processes kind of like more efficient that I couldn't do on the Mac. 00:04:31.320 --> 00:04:34.840 So it turns out that despite natively supporting Apple Silicon, 00:04:34.840 --> 00:04:38.920 Cloth 3D hasn't yet implemented GPU acceleration on the Mac. 00:04:41.640 --> 00:04:44.640 Hey! Hello. How's it going? 00:04:44.640 --> 00:04:48.240 It's going. Well, what's that doing over there? 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.240 Well, I switch back to PC and... 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:55.240 Oh man. This is a surprise. 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:04.240 It's important for fashion designers like Matthew because they need the software to be responsive while it renders their developing designs. 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:09.240 Matthew tells me that GPU acceleration is less accurate at simulating collisions, 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:13.240 but that the speed it brings helps with quickly drafting up his complex ideas. 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:15.240 Well, I zoom in a lot. 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.240 I'm like, I'm like scrolling here and it's like... 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.240 So this would be faster on a PC? Oh yeah. 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:30.240 For sure. Which is why he switched. Did you feel bad switching back to PC? 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:39.240 Not really. What? It definitely was very... 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.240 Not the same as using on the PC, so it definitely would slow me down. 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:49.240 I probably would have needed another week or two to work on this project. 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:53.240 I assume that when Apple was promoting this program in their presentation, 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:57.240 it was already ready to go and running smoothly on Apple Silicon. 00:05:57.240 --> 00:06:00.240 Fabric simulation is faster now. 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:02.240 Oh yeah, that I was like, no way. 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:11.240 But it turns out that at the time of the announcement, Cloth 3D was still running on Rosetta and it wasn't updated until May. 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:15.240 And as we've seen, still isn't taking advantage of the whole chip. 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:23.240 So then, what about the other apps? During that short clip, Apple also featured Ableton Live, Adobe After Effects, Vectorworks, 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.240 Cinema 4D and Redshift, and Boris FX Sapphire. 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:32.240 It appears that Adobe After Effects was the only other app that wasn't running natively yet, 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:36.240 with Ableton just squeaking their 11.1 release out a month before. 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.240 And like Clough, you can't expect everything to work. 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:44.240 There are numerous plugins in Ableton that still run on Rosetta. 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.240 It's crazy how long this Silicon tech has been out, 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:50.240 and yet how far behind some of these plugin developers actually are. 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:55.240 Meaning much of the performance the M1 Ultra offers might still be left on the table. 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:59.240 Something that Anthony discovered in his tests of the computer on LTT. 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:04.240 So the final kind of moments of getting the design done, what was that like? 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.240 Very stressful because I changed my ideas a few times again. 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:13.240 I ended up staying up until like 4am to like finish it and submit it early 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:17.240 so there's not any problems the next day in case there was any problems. 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:24.240 After all this time, I mean there's gotta be something the Mac does better than the PC, right? 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:29.240 Interactive render, so like live render, did perform better on the macOS. 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:36.240 So that's way faster, yeah. So when it was 2 in the morning, and you had finished on that computer, 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:40.240 you actually came to this computer to... Oh no, I still wasn't on that one. 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.240 I was on a time crunch, so I didn't want to... But this would have helped you, no? 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:50.240 I didn't know that before. I didn't want to risk it because you know from my experience using the simulation before. 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:54.240 So here's why it's submitted. So this would be like your concept image. 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:58.240 So this is my concept. How do you feel about the final design? 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:02.240 It was like I'm happy with it. Like I don't think I would have submitted... 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.240 If I was unhappy with it, I don't think I would have submitted it. 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.240 Here's the top, and then the back. 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:12.240 Oh no, I just noticed this! 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.240 Oh no, I shouldn't have stayed up till 4 am. 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.240 I should have submitted it the next day, so that way I'm not like... 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:22.240 Like this morning? Yeah. So what's happened there? 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:27.240 I think I just didn't simulate that part to go over the underlayer. 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:31.240 It's okay, what's done is done. I can't go back and change it. 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.240 So this is where the simulation kind of make or break your... 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.240 Well, because this is done with GPU simulation. 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:42.240 Well, sometimes on GPU simulation, the fabric goes through itself, 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.240 versus CPU simulation where it kind of can like... 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:50.240 It knows when there's a fabric on top. So that means the Mac would have helped here. 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:55.240 Now, to be fair to Clo, they have never supported GPU acceleration on macOS 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.240 because they use NVIDIA's CUDA API. 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:03.240 So, if in a future release they do bring metal GPU acceleration to the Mac, 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.240 that would be a big boon for Mac-loving fashion designers 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:10.240 who use the platform, bringing it to feature parity. 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.240 Thanks for doing the test for us. 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:17.240 Yeah, thanks for giving me this opportunity. 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.240 It sounds like a job interview. 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:25.240 Yeah, I mean... Well, yeah... You had the opportunity to learn that it was worse. 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:29.240 Yeah, you saved me the trouble from buying one and trying it myself. 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.240 Were you wanting to do that? No. Okay, well... 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:41.240 Now I know, for sure it won't. So, like, would you get an M1 Max Mac Studio if Clo 3D had GPU acceleration? 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:47.240 I would rather have this in a laptop form. 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.240 Like, I wouldn't buy a desktop Mac. 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:59.240 I hear the results are in. Yes. 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:04.240 How do you feel? I don't know, I don't know what to expect really, 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:08.240 because I haven't seen all the people's work, so I'm not too sure what to expect. 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.240 I'm nervous for you. Oh, yeah, same here. 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.240 I didn't want to. No! I didn't want anything. 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:17.240 You don't have to whisper it. 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:23.240 Also, how do you feel about the contest? Like, knowing the results, I don't think I will have changed anything. 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:26.240 Like, and what I submitted, I was happy with. 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:34.240 So, it turns out we both lose. It's been over two years since Apple announced their transition to ARM, 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.240 and in that time, we've got very compelling and efficient computers 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:41.240 that are fantastic for day-to-day use. But things haven't been going quickly. 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:46.240 I mean, Microsoft only just announced their Apple Silicon-Native version of the Teams app, 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:49.240 which they're still going to be rolling out slowly somehow. 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:53.240 If you're a professional that doesn't edit a video 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:59.240 and you're thinking about upgrading to an Apple Silicon Mac, check the system requirements of your app of choice to see if it's ready, 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:04.240 because otherwise, you might still want to wait. Thanks for disappointing this Mac Address. 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:08.240 If you are not a professional and still interested in an Apple Silicon Mac, 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:12.240 give this video a like. And if you are a professional, you might as well subscribe, 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.240 because we'll find out when it's ready. Now, in the comments, I'm curious. 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:21.240 Have you found a piece of software that's still giving you trouble in this transition? 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:22.240 And what is it?