1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,360 During the Apple Studio and M1 Ultra unveiling back in March, Apple featured a selection 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:12,880 of professional applications to demonstrate just how far the new SoC is. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:17,080 One app from the keynote that caught my eye was Clo3D. 4 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:21,680 It's a 3D clothing simulator that fashion designers can use to prototype their designs 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,840 without ever cutting a piece of fabric. It's the perfect app to try. 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,000 Every fashion industry has always loved the Mac, and a 3D workflow like this will push 7 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,160 all those 64 new GPU cores hard, right? 8 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:39,520 Well, to find out, I lent a Mac Studio to a fashion designer who, if you can believe 9 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:46,360 it, switched to PC. Let's see if we can win him back. 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,800 This is Matthew Liu. He's a fashion designer here at the Creator Warehouse, actually, designing many of the 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,320 clothes and accessories found on LTTstore.com. 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,880 Right now, though, he's planning on submitting an entry to the 3D Creative Design Competition, 13 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:08,040 which is being hosted by Clo3D. So every year, Clo3D does this 3D design contest. 14 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:13,280 Yeah, I always wanted to sign up for this contest every year, but I always forget about 15 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:20,680 it, and I miss the deadline. But luckily, this year I remembered, and I was able to register for that. 16 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,800 So, by laying you all when it comes to computers, he has switched to using his PC full-time. 17 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,600 So you got a pretty powerful computer. 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:40,800 What specs do you got? So here I have the Ryzen 93950X 6-in-core processor with a 16GB RAM and RTX 3060Ti. 19 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,280 I do love how you have an Apple logo. 20 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,440 Yeah, because, you know, still Apple by heart. 21 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Look what I have. Your computer might be small, but this is even smaller. 22 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:58,120 Price-wise, it costs about the same as a base M1 Max Max Studio at around $2,000. 23 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:05,960 Um, but I switched to PC mostly because I wanted to use Clo3D more, but it runs very slow on macOS. 24 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:12,080 I've always had a gaming PC that I used for gaming, but then I upgraded that just so I could use Clo when I was in school. 25 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:20,920 Well, we can't have that. So what we're going to do is give him a Mac Studio with all the bells and whistles to see if it's good enough with Clo3D to switch him back to Mac. 26 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:23,920 This is the dream. Excited? 27 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,280 Yeah, I'm excited. I'm really excited to see how this goes for you. 28 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,480 So I guess we'll report back in a little bit. Yeah. All right. 29 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,920 Best of luck, my friend. 30 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:43,160 So when they announced this year's theme, a new definition of craftsmanship, for us, I need to figure out what. 31 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:51,160 What that means. So I end up going towards the idea of kind of more abstract weave design. 32 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,440 To summarize, it's very difficult. 33 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,600 I never expected to see fashion designers using 3D software to design their clothing. 34 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:05,080 It's pretty neat, but how useful is it? Basically, it's a fabric simulator. 35 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:11,160 You can quickly simulate your clothing on an avatar and then make changes based on that. 36 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:20,440 Filling a project would usually take hours, days, being able to use the software to adjust your designs, 37 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,840 make sure it works, where you actually start producing the real one. 38 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:31,440 But it cuts out issues and troubles down in line so that you can kind of build ideas quicker. 39 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:35,480 So my first day, I set up a computer, I installed all the software that I need. 40 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:42,880 I start with kind of like a template of how I want the fit to kind of look like. 41 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:49,760 I do all that, I simulate it, it looks good, then that's when I start adding the actual weaving detail. 42 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,680 That's where it starts getting a little tricky on the Mac Studio, 43 00:03:53,680 --> 00:04:02,920 because things start to slow down and it was very hard to kind of weave pieces together without frame rates dropping too low. 44 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:13,400 So I tried it on my PC and then it ran like so much faster. 45 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:22,200 Like the FPS increased like dramatically, so you can simulate with CPU or GPU. 46 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:30,520 And on the PC being able to simulate with the GPU makes certain processes kind of like more efficient that I couldn't do on the Mac. 47 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,840 So it turns out that despite natively supporting Apple Silicon, 48 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:38,920 Cloth 3D hasn't yet implemented GPU acceleration on the Mac. 49 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,640 Hey! Hello. How's it going? 50 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,240 It's going. Well, what's that doing over there? 51 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,240 Well, I switch back to PC and... 52 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,240 Oh man. This is a surprise. 53 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:04,240 It's important for fashion designers like Matthew because they need the software to be responsive while it renders their developing designs. 54 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,240 Matthew tells me that GPU acceleration is less accurate at simulating collisions, 55 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,240 but that the speed it brings helps with quickly drafting up his complex ideas. 56 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,240 Well, I zoom in a lot. 57 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,240 I'm like, I'm like scrolling here and it's like... 58 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,240 So this would be faster on a PC? Oh yeah. 59 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,240 For sure. Which is why he switched. Did you feel bad switching back to PC? 60 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:39,240 Not really. What? It definitely was very... 61 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,240 Not the same as using on the PC, so it definitely would slow me down. 62 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:49,240 I probably would have needed another week or two to work on this project. 63 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,240 I assume that when Apple was promoting this program in their presentation, 64 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,240 it was already ready to go and running smoothly on Apple Silicon. 65 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,240 Fabric simulation is faster now. 66 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,240 Oh yeah, that I was like, no way. 67 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:11,240 But it turns out that at the time of the announcement, Cloth 3D was still running on Rosetta and it wasn't updated until May. 68 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,240 And as we've seen, still isn't taking advantage of the whole chip. 69 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:23,240 So then, what about the other apps? During that short clip, Apple also featured Ableton Live, Adobe After Effects, Vectorworks, 70 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,240 Cinema 4D and Redshift, and Boris FX Sapphire. 71 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:32,240 It appears that Adobe After Effects was the only other app that wasn't running natively yet, 72 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,240 with Ableton just squeaking their 11.1 release out a month before. 73 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,240 And like Clough, you can't expect everything to work. 74 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,240 There are numerous plugins in Ableton that still run on Rosetta. 75 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,240 It's crazy how long this Silicon tech has been out, 76 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,240 and yet how far behind some of these plugin developers actually are. 77 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,240 Meaning much of the performance the M1 Ultra offers might still be left on the table. 78 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,240 Something that Anthony discovered in his tests of the computer on LTT. 79 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,240 So the final kind of moments of getting the design done, what was that like? 80 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,240 Very stressful because I changed my ideas a few times again. 81 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:13,240 I ended up staying up until like 4am to like finish it and submit it early 82 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,240 so there's not any problems the next day in case there was any problems. 83 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,240 After all this time, I mean there's gotta be something the Mac does better than the PC, right? 84 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,240 Interactive render, so like live render, did perform better on the macOS. 85 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:36,240 So that's way faster, yeah. So when it was 2 in the morning, and you had finished on that computer, 86 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,240 you actually came to this computer to... Oh no, I still wasn't on that one. 87 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,240 I was on a time crunch, so I didn't want to... But this would have helped you, no? 88 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,240 I didn't know that before. I didn't want to risk it because you know from my experience using the simulation before. 89 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,240 So here's why it's submitted. So this would be like your concept image. 90 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,240 So this is my concept. How do you feel about the final design? 91 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,240 It was like I'm happy with it. Like I don't think I would have submitted... 92 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,240 If I was unhappy with it, I don't think I would have submitted it. 93 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Here's the top, and then the back. 94 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,240 Oh no, I just noticed this! 95 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Oh no, I shouldn't have stayed up till 4 am. 96 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,240 I should have submitted it the next day, so that way I'm not like... 97 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,240 Like this morning? Yeah. So what's happened there? 98 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:27,240 I think I just didn't simulate that part to go over the underlayer. 99 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,240 It's okay, what's done is done. I can't go back and change it. 100 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,240 So this is where the simulation kind of make or break your... 101 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Well, because this is done with GPU simulation. 102 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,240 Well, sometimes on GPU simulation, the fabric goes through itself, 103 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,240 versus CPU simulation where it kind of can like... 104 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:50,240 It knows when there's a fabric on top. So that means the Mac would have helped here. 105 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,240 Now, to be fair to Clo, they have never supported GPU acceleration on macOS 106 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,240 because they use NVIDIA's CUDA API. 107 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:03,240 So, if in a future release they do bring metal GPU acceleration to the Mac, 108 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,240 that would be a big boon for Mac-loving fashion designers 109 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,240 who use the platform, bringing it to feature parity. 110 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,240 Thanks for doing the test for us. 111 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,240 Yeah, thanks for giving me this opportunity. 112 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,240 It sounds like a job interview. 113 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,240 Yeah, I mean... Well, yeah... You had the opportunity to learn that it was worse. 114 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Yeah, you saved me the trouble from buying one and trying it myself. 115 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,240 Were you wanting to do that? No. Okay, well... 116 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:41,240 Now I know, for sure it won't. So, like, would you get an M1 Max Mac Studio if Clo 3D had GPU acceleration? 117 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:47,240 I would rather have this in a laptop form. 118 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,240 Like, I wouldn't buy a desktop Mac. 119 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,240 I hear the results are in. Yes. 120 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,240 How do you feel? I don't know, I don't know what to expect really, 121 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,240 because I haven't seen all the people's work, so I'm not too sure what to expect. 122 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,240 I'm nervous for you. Oh, yeah, same here. 123 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,240 I didn't want to. No! I didn't want anything. 124 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,240 You don't have to whisper it. 125 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:23,240 Also, how do you feel about the contest? Like, knowing the results, I don't think I will have changed anything. 126 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,240 Like, and what I submitted, I was happy with. 127 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,240 So, it turns out we both lose. It's been over two years since Apple announced their transition to ARM, 128 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,240 and in that time, we've got very compelling and efficient computers 129 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,240 that are fantastic for day-to-day use. But things haven't been going quickly. 130 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,240 I mean, Microsoft only just announced their Apple Silicon-Native version of the Teams app, 131 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,240 which they're still going to be rolling out slowly somehow. 132 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,240 If you're a professional that doesn't edit a video 133 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:59,240 and you're thinking about upgrading to an Apple Silicon Mac, check the system requirements of your app of choice to see if it's ready, 134 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,240 because otherwise, you might still want to wait. Thanks for disappointing this Mac Address. 135 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,240 If you are not a professional and still interested in an Apple Silicon Mac, 136 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,240 give this video a like. And if you are a professional, you might as well subscribe, 137 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,240 because we'll find out when it's ready. Now, in the comments, I'm curious. 138 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,240 Have you found a piece of software that's still giving you trouble in this transition? 139 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,240 And what is it?