WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.680 How's it going? Yeah, pretty good. Yeah? Yeah, life is good. 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:08.280 We're busy in the lab. You've been likened to so many people here, but who do you think you look the most like? 00:00:08.280 --> 00:00:11.600 Who do I think I look the most like? Not Luke. 00:00:11.600 --> 00:00:14.800 I don't know where everyone keeps getting this from. I think it's a beard. 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:20.240 You guys have the same beard shape. I guess so. But our face shape is totally different. 00:00:20.240 --> 00:00:25.600 I suppose on camera, it's a little harder to tell. But face to face in person, I don't think we look anything 00:00:25.600 --> 00:00:31.600 like. I know I've gotten Linus a few times, like budget Linus. 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:34.800 And today, especially, I've got my WAN Show hoodie 00:00:34.800 --> 00:00:39.960 and my green LPD store.com beanie. And yeah, I don't know. 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:43.760 I see myself and I don't immediately 00:00:43.760 --> 00:00:47.600 think I look like anyone. I mean, my brothers, we all look the same. 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:51.720 And with a five-year spread, it's genetics. 00:00:51.720 --> 00:00:55.560 All right, anyways, you mentioned the lab, right? How are you feeling about it so far? 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:59.200 Really good. The amount of progress that we've been making over here 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:03.360 has been awesome. Things are starting to move a lot faster now 00:01:03.360 --> 00:01:09.280 that everyone is in the building. Obviously, with any kind of huge enterprise like this, 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:15.520 it's going to take time to build up. But now we've got our environmental chamber. 00:01:15.520 --> 00:01:19.440 I'm a month and a half away from the RF chamber being built. 00:01:19.440 --> 00:01:22.600 We've got our workstations done finally, which is awesome. 00:01:22.600 --> 00:01:26.480 And now logistics is here. So we have all of the stuff we need to test. 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.560 So yeah, we're going to ramp up very, very quickly 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:34.320 in a very short amount of time. What's the most exciting thing that we've gone so far? 00:01:34.320 --> 00:01:37.320 Oh, that's a tough one. 00:01:37.320 --> 00:01:42.920 The most exciting thing for me so far has been all of my new fancy RF foam, 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:47.760 like the absorbing material. In general, though, the environmental chamber 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:52.960 is really cool. We actually had a 4090 laptop in there yesterday, 00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:56.040 testing it for battery drain at zero degrees. 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:02.600 And you just see it go, boom. So yeah, it really, like, that's no pun intended. 00:02:02.600 --> 00:02:07.120 It's a really cool piece of equipment. We're really excited to start working with it. 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.280 What do you do here? You're role is software architect, right? 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.720 But you do a little bit more than that? Yeah, so technically, I'm a software architect. 00:02:14.720 --> 00:02:18.440 I can't use the term engineer in Canada. 00:02:18.440 --> 00:02:23.200 But my background is on mobile and gaming performance 00:02:23.200 --> 00:02:29.520 profiling and tool development. So in my last role, I ran an R&D and services team 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:33.400 where we were working with companies like Verizon and ATT 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:38.680 and Google and Samsung. And we were testing not only their equipment, their platforms, 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:42.200 and their networks, but we were helping 00:02:42.200 --> 00:02:46.600 their marketing and engineering teams understand real world scenarios. 00:02:46.640 --> 00:02:53.120 And that's kind of what I'm trying to bring here is making sure that we've got a consumer-focused angle 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.280 for how we're testing. For instance, battery life. 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:59.360 We've been talking about it internally for the past few days. 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.880 We want to make sure that when you're looking at a laptop 00:03:02.880 --> 00:03:07.040 on the lab's website and you see a battery rating, 00:03:07.040 --> 00:03:11.000 it's not the same as the manufacturer's, hey, you can get up to 12 hours. 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:14.520 It's like, no, no one uses their laptop with Wi-Fi off. 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.720 They're screen at 10% and only watches videos. 00:03:18.720 --> 00:03:23.360 No one does that. So we're looking at it from a consumer standpoint 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:26.920 where we want to look at it as what is the least amount 00:03:26.920 --> 00:03:35.480 of battery you could expect on this device? This is the bare minimum that you will get at max load. 00:03:35.480 --> 00:03:38.880 So yeah, we're trying to bring in that consumer focus. 00:03:38.880 --> 00:03:42.320 What do you think is missing right now with current offerings? 00:03:42.320 --> 00:03:47.720 They're kind of doing what we're trying to do. I don't think that the current offerings have the depth, 00:03:47.720 --> 00:03:53.520 the ability to go deep like we do. There are other outfits that are doing similar personal 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.880 electronics testing. I think we're going to take what they're 00:03:58.880 --> 00:04:02.400 doing to that kind of next level. 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.960 With the LMG backing, we have the budget 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:09.440 in order to get the equipment that these other companies just 00:04:09.440 --> 00:04:14.440 can't, and as well as hiring the right people 00:04:14.440 --> 00:04:19.040 to run the testing. I mean, as you've seen in other videos, 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:25.320 and you are there locally, we're at 10 people now. 00:04:25.320 --> 00:04:29.240 I think we're putting out three offer letters this week. 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:34.120 We're going to be hiring nine more people in the next six months. 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:40.600 We're growing fast. And I think in a year's time, we're 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.000 probably going to be 25 people. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:48.160 And that's just people to run the tests, methodology experts, 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:52.480 subject matter experts that are going to be ensuring that what we are testing 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:58.360 is representative for the end user. What type of projects do you have going on right now? 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.400 Right now, I've got the keyboard testing robot 00:05:01.400 --> 00:05:06.880 that I've been programming for Antoine. We have it working for standard keyboards. 00:05:06.880 --> 00:05:11.120 And they've thrown me some curveballs with some of the Ergo keyboards. 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.880 And I'm working with LMI, the manufacturer of our laser scanner, 00:05:14.880 --> 00:05:21.040 right now to develop some new tooling that will run in the profiler in order to properly segment 00:05:21.040 --> 00:05:24.280 the keys from the keyboard. 00:05:24.280 --> 00:05:28.640 Because with the ergonomic keyboards, and they've got the wave, you've got 00:05:28.640 --> 00:05:34.960 to be able to hit the key properly. And also, standard segmentation for masking, 00:05:34.960 --> 00:05:41.600 you can't just take the top 15% of the keyboard and call it a day because that changes across the keyboard. 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:47.080 So I'm working on that. I've got tooling for mobile device testing done. 00:05:47.080 --> 00:05:51.280 I've got a bunch of battery manager wireless chargers 00:05:51.280 --> 00:05:55.760 that I'm building right now so we can have up to 25 devices 00:05:55.760 --> 00:05:59.480 under test at any given time. So effectively, the battery managers 00:05:59.520 --> 00:06:05.120 are wireless charging pads with a relay board 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:08.280 and a microcontroller that talks to our server. 00:06:08.280 --> 00:06:11.640 So the phones are placed into a shelf location. 00:06:11.640 --> 00:06:16.240 And they talk to the server and say, hey, I'm the unit in shelf 1A. 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.760 And my battery is at 38%. 00:06:19.760 --> 00:06:22.960 And the server will go, cool, you're below 40%. 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:28.040 We're going to turn on the charging. So that'll send a signal back to our battery manager, which 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:32.120 you'll flip the relay board, turn on the wireless charging, start charging the device. 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.640 And once the device gets over, say, 70%, it'll tell the server, hey, I'm over 70. 00:06:36.640 --> 00:06:41.280 Now you can turn off the charging. And that way, we can just maintain that battery balance 00:06:41.280 --> 00:06:45.280 over a long period of time while we're doing automated tests. That's really cool. 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:51.480 Yeah, we're going to have 25 of them. I've got a 5x5 IKEA Calax shelf. 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:54.640 They're great. They're awesome for projects like this. 00:06:54.640 --> 00:06:57.800 So each bay is going to have a shelf location 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:03.520 ridden into the server. And we're going to manage things that way. How much of Linus's money have you spent personally? 00:07:03.520 --> 00:07:08.040 How much of Linus's money have I spent personally? Yes. 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:11.080 I think I've probably spent the most. Really? 00:07:11.080 --> 00:07:17.200 The RF chamber is a half million dollars. Now Raymond EMC is working with us on this. 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:24.760 But yeah, I'm the one that sourced the environmental 00:07:24.760 --> 00:07:25.280 chamber. 00:07:28.200 --> 00:07:32.800 I think I've probably spent just under three quarters 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:36.000 of a million dollars. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.360 And I started May last year. 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.480 So it's gone quickly. 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.720 And I haven't even ordered my phones yet. Oh my goodness. 00:07:45.760 --> 00:07:51.480 I mean, the phones aren't going to be too bad, right? If you average out mid-range phones, $600 now. 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:54.560 Yeah. Well, how many are I guess it's a whole lot now? There's a lot of phones. 00:07:58.200 --> 00:08:03.320 Big shout out to our friends and OEMs that want to send us phones for free. 00:08:03.320 --> 00:08:08.400 No. My goal is to have 25 devices under test at any given time 00:08:08.400 --> 00:08:14.400 for the first, probably year, with a two week test 00:08:14.400 --> 00:08:17.560 cycle on them at most. 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:20.640 So 25 devices every two weeks, we're 00:08:20.640 --> 00:08:23.680 going to be cranking through a lot of phones. Oh my gosh. 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:28.560 Are we just going to keep them? I have a system. I've been talking to Logistics about it. 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.560 And we're going to basically keep 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:36.080 flagships for a certain amount of time, keep mid-range for slightly less time, 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.560 keep low end phones for an even shorter period. 00:08:39.560 --> 00:08:44.360 As far as what happens to them, check eBay, I guess. 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:50.280 I have no idea what we're doing to get rid of them, but lttstore.com. 00:08:50.280 --> 00:08:53.960 Let's zoom out a bit. So you mentioned you've been here since May last year. 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:57.680 Yeah, I started May 3rd. How's it been so far here at LMG? 00:08:57.680 --> 00:09:02.320 It's been awesome. Honestly, I really enjoy coming to work. 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:07.040 I'm a problem solver by nature. So for me to come in and have a new problem every day 00:09:07.040 --> 00:09:10.520 and be able to just work with an awesome team and figure it out 00:09:10.520 --> 00:09:14.720 is really great. Oh yeah, no shortage of problems here. No, no, of course not. 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:18.360 Why did you decide to join LMG? That's an interesting one. 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:21.600 So I was the first hire at my previous company. 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:26.320 And I was running the R&D team, the service team. 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:30.680 I was basically one of the founders. And I enjoyed my job. 00:09:30.680 --> 00:09:34.680 And I sent Linus an email after the first lab video came out 00:09:34.680 --> 00:09:38.400 because he mentioned a couple of things that he wanted to do on mobile testing 00:09:38.400 --> 00:09:43.240 and how his vision of how that was going to work looked. 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:49.680 And I disagreed with it. And I sent him an email, a very polite email, to be fair, 00:09:49.680 --> 00:09:55.200 saying, hey, this is kind of my specialty. And if you wanted to do X, Y, and Z, 00:09:55.200 --> 00:10:00.360 this is probably the best way to do that. It'll be a lot easier for you in the long run. 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:04.240 And I didn't hear back for a few weeks. And then all of a sudden, I got an email like 10 o'clock 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:08.800 at night. And we went back and forth for a little bit. 00:10:08.800 --> 00:10:14.320 And last I heard was that they were going to keep me in mind as an industry contact for any help 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:19.400 that they needed. And about a month later, I got an email from James asking 00:10:19.400 --> 00:10:23.040 if I could jump on a call. And we ended up going back and forth a little bit. 00:10:23.040 --> 00:10:26.760 And yeah, we negotiated. And here I am. 00:10:26.760 --> 00:10:31.560 So it's, for me, I've watched the channel on and off 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.760 since NCIX days. Hell, I bought stuff at NCIX. 00:10:35.760 --> 00:10:42.600 And I'm pretty sure Linus sold it to me before the video started way back in the day. 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:48.720 So I've been a fan for three years. And it was a great opportunity for me. 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:54.680 It was something new. I'd be able to work with a team side by side. 00:10:54.680 --> 00:10:58.760 Whereas in my last role, I was managing the R&D team. 00:10:58.760 --> 00:11:02.240 And I was finding myself getting further and further away 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:07.080 from getting my hands dirty. So I wanted to get back into that. 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.160 I love development. I love problem solving. So yeah. 00:11:11.160 --> 00:11:14.280 How long were you at your previous role for? 00:11:14.280 --> 00:11:19.520 So I started September 2013. 00:11:19.520 --> 00:11:31.320 September 21, 2013. And I left April 30 of 2021. 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.920 So 9 and 1 half years. Yeah, long time, nearly a decade. 00:11:35.920 --> 00:11:41.320 How's that transition been? First, you were one of the founding members. But over time, you built that up and going back 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.440 to basically starting again here at LTP Labs. 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:48.760 Well, I'm not working 24-hour days anymore. You're working 24-hour days? 00:11:48.760 --> 00:11:52.000 In my last two weeks at my last role, 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.120 I did a 24-hour day because someone made a mistake 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:01.240 with a very reputable client that was very important to me. 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:08.920 And I had to fix it. So yeah, I worked a 24-hour day during my notice period 00:12:08.920 --> 00:12:14.240 to make sure that when I left, things were still running OK. 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:19.560 That's life. I've done longer days, but not at LTP. 00:12:19.560 --> 00:12:23.680 Longer than 24-hour days? I've done a 36-hour day before. 00:12:23.680 --> 00:12:27.360 That was even possible. I was a PI for four years. 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:31.120 And there was one particular day where 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:34.520 I was very far away from any form of cover, 00:12:34.520 --> 00:12:37.680 and I had to continue following a subject. OK, hold on. 00:12:37.680 --> 00:12:41.600 You were a PI. I was a private investigator for four years, 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:47.160 based in Langley, actually not far from here. I'm still in touch with the team there. 00:12:47.160 --> 00:12:50.520 And yeah, I followed a guy, and it 00:12:50.520 --> 00:12:53.880 turned into a 36-hour day. Can't say anything more about it. 00:12:53.880 --> 00:12:57.360 I can't. No, that's it. You get that drip feed of interest, 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:00.600 and now I've got to take it away. All right. Why are you not a PI anymore? 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:04.960 Did you not like the job? Oh, the money is way better. No, I'm kidding. 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:09.440 No, I stopped being a PI when I moved to the UK, 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.600 and I moved over there in 2013 on a whim. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:17.880 Found the company that I then worked for for a decade. 00:13:17.880 --> 00:13:23.120 And yeah, I was developing full-time. I had a background in web development, 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:29.080 and database architecture, enterprise IT, 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:33.320 and then fell very hard into development in mobile, 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.200 and then expanded from there into cloud streaming, 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:41.360 PC profiling, iOS, and the works. 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:46.480 I lived in Bristol, Glasgow, LA for six months, 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.960 and then London. Yeah. But that's not everywhere you've lived. 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:54.880 You've mentioned, to me, you've lived in Japan before. Yeah, so I spent a year in Tokyo. 00:13:54.880 --> 00:13:58.480 I was on an exchange program when I was 15. 00:13:58.480 --> 00:14:01.960 My parents had no idea I applied to go on exchange 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.080 until I was accepted. It was through a charitable organization, 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.400 so it was $500 Canadian. And that was my plane ticket, my year 00:14:09.400 --> 00:14:12.480 accommodation, my flight back, everything. $500. 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:17.280 $500 Canadian because it was through charity. 00:14:17.280 --> 00:14:21.400 And I remember getting the email and just screaming, I'm going to Tokyo. 00:14:21.400 --> 00:14:25.640 And my mom came running down the hall and was like, no, you're not. 00:14:25.640 --> 00:14:29.440 What are you talking about? And I was like, yes, I am. 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:32.640 It's only $500. I leave in three months. 00:14:32.640 --> 00:14:36.360 And yeah, so I was a year there. 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:40.320 I went back five times over the years, 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:45.240 still very close to my host family. I still speak the language, although Kanji, 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.680 the Chinese character set is, I hate it, but I can't stand it. 00:14:49.680 --> 00:14:54.440 Aren't there like literally thousands of characters? You need to know just over 1,400 characters 00:14:54.440 --> 00:15:00.040 to be considered literate in Japan. And at peak, I think I knew 250. 00:15:00.040 --> 00:15:04.720 And now I'm down to like 40. But here I've got a kind of kind of the base alphabets. 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:08.720 Totally fine. And speaking, that's really my forte. 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:12.680 I can speak and understand. And really, that's enough. 00:15:12.680 --> 00:15:15.200 What's your favorite place you've lived in? 00:15:15.760 --> 00:15:19.400 Not LA. I hate to say it, and I've got a lot of love 00:15:19.400 --> 00:15:20.840 for our fans in Cali. 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:27.040 LA, for me, is great to visit. Not where I would want to live again. 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:32.880 Glasgow was amazing. The nightlife in Glasgow was fantastic. 00:15:32.880 --> 00:15:37.480 If I wasn't in my 30s married with a kid, I would love to live in Glasgow again. 00:15:38.920 --> 00:15:43.600 But yeah, shout out Garage and Cahouse on Sakiho Street. 00:15:44.560 --> 00:15:49.600 But I don't know. I really enjoyed Bristol. 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.320 Bristol is an amazing town. It's a university city. 00:15:53.920 --> 00:15:57.000 You know, I think it's like 350,000 people. 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:02.320 But it, yeah, it attracts just such a wide variety of people. 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:06.240 It's never boring. The nightlife again is amazing. 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.000 The food is fantastic. 00:16:09.280 --> 00:16:12.200 Yeah, it's just a fantastic place to be. 00:16:12.400 --> 00:16:18.080 Bristol has the best food out of every bar you've been? No, oh, not by far, but it's definitely one of the better, 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:24.760 like, kind of all-rounders. I see. LA, Tacos de Madre, over near Westwood, 00:16:24.760 --> 00:16:29.760 they've got the best Korean barbecue pulled pork burrito. 00:16:30.760 --> 00:16:34.400 It's like a cream Mexican fusion. That sounds delicious. 00:16:34.400 --> 00:16:38.160 It is, oh, it's so good. And I lived across the street from them. 00:16:38.160 --> 00:16:41.520 And that was dangerous. 00:16:41.520 --> 00:16:45.240 But London has amazing food, of course. 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:47.800 It's a mega city. It's an international hub. 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:53.480 Some of the best ramen I've had outside of Japan. I got it in London. 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:55.920 Bone Daddy's is a really amazing place. 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:02.560 I even Glasgow had good food, but in Glasgow and like in Scotland, 00:17:02.560 --> 00:17:06.520 it was more of, you know, a roll and slice, 00:17:06.520 --> 00:17:10.240 which is like, it's a crispy bun with square sausage. 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.720 And you get like brown sauce or HP for the North Americans. 00:17:16.800 --> 00:17:21.200 You know, some fried onions and egg and stuff. And like, that's what you get on a Sunday morning. 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:27.640 Just fantastic kind of fry ups and hearty food, but yeah. 00:17:28.360 --> 00:17:35.800 You've done so much, you're only in your 30s. Going to Japan when I was 15 forced me to grow up really fast. 00:17:35.800 --> 00:17:42.920 And I think, like, I've always loved traveling. I grew up in a small-ish town off the coast, 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:47.800 you know, Vancouver Island here. And as soon as I left it, I realized how small it was. 00:17:47.800 --> 00:17:51.360 And I hadn't realized that before I left. So I got back from Japan. 00:17:51.360 --> 00:17:54.400 I moved over to Vancouver as soon as I could. 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.800 And since then, I've had the opportunity to travel all over the world with work. 00:18:00.360 --> 00:18:03.640 Spent time in Singapore, San Francisco, 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:07.000 you know, Sweden, Germany, Portugal. 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.640 And yeah, to paraphrase Mark Twain, 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.640 travels the antithesis of ignorance. 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:20.560 I love learning. I love accumulating knowledge. So for me to be able to go and travel and meet new people 00:18:20.560 --> 00:18:24.360 and experience new cultures is like, it's a highlight for sure. 00:18:24.360 --> 00:18:28.200 What advice do you have for somebody who's looking to do what you do? 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:31.360 All this cool tech stuff and travel all over the world. 00:18:31.600 --> 00:18:36.600 I mean, for me, when I left Canada for the second time, 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.560 it was on a whim. Working holiday visas, like looking to them, 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:46.520 it was good for two years. I had to show like, at the time, 00:18:46.520 --> 00:18:50.240 I think it was like $1,800 Canadian in my bank account. 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.960 And when I left, I had substantially less than that 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:57.840 because I actually lost my passport on the way to the airport, missed my flights, 00:18:57.840 --> 00:19:01.320 had to get a new visa, everything was a whole big rigmarole. 00:19:01.320 --> 00:19:07.760 And it costs a lot of money. So honestly, just take the leap, go for it. 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:13.840 I'm self-taught. I didn't go to school for engineering or software development. 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:19.440 I started, I built my first computer at 10 out of scraps from friends' families. 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.480 And I know a lot of people in our community have done similar 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:26.920 where maybe you didn't have the money to buy a computer 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:32.080 or your family didn't have enough money to buy a computer. So friends' families had to upgrade 00:19:32.080 --> 00:19:38.280 and maybe they've got an old hard drive you can grab or like, hey, old power supply because they bought a new PC. 00:19:38.280 --> 00:19:41.840 And at the end of the day, I started teaching myself. 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:48.600 Just take the jump. There's so many amazing learning platforms now 00:19:48.600 --> 00:19:54.320 between Coursera and Brilliant. And I'm sure I'm probably just naming off our sponsors 00:19:54.320 --> 00:20:00.080 at this point because it's so ingrained in me. But we, honestly, there's so many opportunities 00:20:00.080 --> 00:20:03.280 to teach yourself how to do things. 00:20:03.280 --> 00:20:07.560 Going to GitHub, start looking at bugs that people are filing and just start looking 00:20:07.560 --> 00:20:12.080 at how to fix them. Even if you don't solve it, look at how it ends up 00:20:12.080 --> 00:20:15.240 being solved and see where you went wrong. It's a great whittler. 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.720 Well, this is a great chat, Jake. Really appreciate you hopping on. 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.960 Thanks, buddy. I'm looking forward to you and the rest of the social team finally being over here 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:26.440 so you don't have to go back and forth between buildings. Oh my gosh. 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:31.480 For reference, Arthur forgot a microphone and then an SD card and a tripod. 00:20:32.520 --> 00:20:35.600 So it's been a little back and forth this morning. We got it done, though. 00:20:35.600 --> 00:20:39.920 We got it done. Anything you want to say to the Floatplane peeps? Luke and the team work really hard 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:42.040 and they really appreciate you guys. 00:20:43.360 --> 00:20:44.200 Have a good one.