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I love comments like this because it's a good reminder that our like team's pretty cool.

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One of the responses is, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, how did AJ do custom

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integration into Unify readers? I need to know everything about this and it's like, hey.

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Sometimes we do pretty cool stuff.

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What's up y'all? How y'all doing? Hello. We're gonna have to get this thing started like ASELAP.

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Oh shoot.

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Ah.

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Luke and I have an engagement tonight.

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I'm being told I have to go to the gym. I'm not exactly resisting, but apparently there's

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going to be like a workout session during the LAN. Oh, that's cool. Sounds pretty cool to be honest.

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That's cool. I was like mixing activities during LANs. Yeah. I mean, assuming you're not too much of

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a player to use a heavy weight, he needs two and a half pound weights. They're still not there.

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I'll bench you. You know what? I could bench you. Maybe what you could do is you could go to a

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different gym. You could go to a gym for little girls. I'll do it right now. You and my daughters

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could go to the gym together. Two and a half pound weights. It's plates. It's not dumbbells.

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I don't need two and a half pound dumbbells. I need two and a half pound plates

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because you put them together. It means five. Going up in weight by 10 pounds every time you

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want to increase the rate is too much. Yeah. Little Luke.

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Oh, my God.

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Okay, let's see. Two and five pounds are just over one K. Yeah. It's the...

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What? Oh, my God. No, you put a two and a half pound on each side of... I'm just trolling in.

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I'm explaining to people in chat that I think you're confused. You put a two and a half pound on

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each side of the bar. You go up by five pounds and that's how you increment.

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Yeah, if you're a little lady. Oh, my God.

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Oh, man. I can lift as much as Luke. Just might take me longer.

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I don't know. I wonder. Yeah, you lift 200 pounds. I lift 100, then I lift 100.

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No, I know. Yeah. Just might take me longer. If there's an amount

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where I could burn you out regardless. No. I wonder. Because I could just do five pounds,

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like, you know, however... But you'll still burn out on that eventually.

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There's somebody that did... There was a, like, huge ripped power lifter that did,

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I think it was, like, a five pound dumbbell as many times as he possibly could,

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and he got to, like, a thousand or something, but he eventually couldn't lift it anymore.

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That's actually pretty funny. Please ask for a pound in a quarter plates.

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It's, like, just the ring. No actual material.

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Oh, man. Okay.

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Uh, okay. All right. I think I'm ready. Should we just go for it?

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Sure.

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Uh, okay. I'm just going to... Oh, wait.

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Oh, what's the thing called, man? Oh, yo. Rysaw in full point chat said,

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I started a job this week at a company that makes X-ray detectors for medical X-ray equipment.

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Your video on the LumaField scanner was helpful for my interview.

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I knew what a scintillator was and what copper filters are used for.

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Thanks for the educational stuff. Let's go. That's cool. Someone got a job because they watched LTT.

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For all of the discourse around the pure entertainment-ness of LTT,

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there's a couple things. Number one, we're not that entertaining.

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I can own that. Number two, just because something doesn't go to the deepest possible level

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doesn't mean that you learn absolutely nothing. I'm not going to be like

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wild crats. It's pure entertainment.

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The whole point of Techquickie originally was to just give people a kicking off point.

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I love the name of Techquickie. That is actually probably my proudest naming work.

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It has three meanings. It's pretty good. Yeah. Do you know all three?

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I know two, at least. If you say it fast, it sounds like tech wiki, which is kind of what it's supposed to be.

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I didn't know that one. Obviously, it doesn't have the wiki element of everyone being able to edit it,

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but the idea was that it's just a reference for kind of every term that you would need to know.

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Okay, I'm going to go ahead and resume the selected. As much as we didn't do it very often, I liked LSD.

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Yeah, Luke Software Discovery. That was pretty good. Yeah, we only did it twice, I think.

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Something like that. Yeah.

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Okay, resume selected. Doing it now.

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What's up, everyone, and welcome to the WAN Show.

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We got a great show lined up for you guys this week. We're going to be talking about your burning questions.

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That's right. You have burning questions, and I want to answer them.

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We uploaded our How Does LTT Make Money video earlier this week,

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and you might have noticed the thumbnail is a little mangled.

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That's because there's also been some new information surfacing around the whole honey thing.

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Oh, it's all about the money. It's all about the honey money, money, honey.

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We've got a lot of great topics for you guys, so we'll be answering some of your questions.

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We're also going to be talking about, oh, 23andMe,

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filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Who could have seen this coming?

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Who, indeed, perhaps an officer of vision somewhere?

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A chief of some sort. Now, what else we got this week?

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You stole one of mine, but I figured it out. The AMD says RX9070XT sold 10 times more than predecessor in first week.

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Wow. I don't know what's more impressive. How many they sold of the 9000 series?

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Let's go on. Also, the have I been pwned guy got pwned.

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Oh, Troy Hunt, the hunter has become the hunted.

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This is honestly probably good for everyone. We'll discuss later.

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I'll just leave it there. I'll explain later.

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The show is brought to you today by AMD, along with DeleteMe and Xplit,

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to go with our usual RAP partner, Gbrand, laptop partner, Adele, and of course, chair partner.

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Secret lab. I really didn't get over the way. Yeah, man. It's a good thing we didn't like both go the correct direction.

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It could have been disastrous because we're not going to miss the WAN Show.

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So it would just be me and Luke unconscious in our chairs for the next three hours.

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Wake up, my little concussion. Keep going. All right.

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So you guys had some questions about the how does LTT make money video?

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And I'm not sure if we will answer all of them, because I have not yet had a chance to read this document.

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I've been busy all day getting ready for our infrastructure test at Smash Champs.

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I guess we'll have to be talking about that, because that is where Luke and I are going after this.

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Because what better way to test the infrastructure for a LAN facility

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than to play video games all night? Yeah. I mean, there's really no other way to do it.

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Yeah. It's a tough job, but I guess we'll have to be there.

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We'll soldier through. We will. All right. So here we go.

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On March 25th, Linus Media Group Inc. uploaded the truth about how LTT makes money,

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a video featuring several members of the team breaking down several income streams

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that contribute to LMG's revenue. Naturally, this spawned some discussion in our official,

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but officially recognized subreddit, as well as on the LTT forum.

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And we thought we would try to address some of the speculation.

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Speculation number one from u slash just and Nick

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attempted a breakdown showing that they did the math

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because they're able to see our Floatplane subscriber count

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and the percentage of the chart that was Floatplane and extrapolate from there,

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guessing that our revenue number is somewhere between 32.6 and 65.3 million dollars.

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Elijah responded to the post saying, all I will say is this,

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if it was this simple to figure out the number, we probably wouldn't have included that in the video.

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There are several factors not taken into account.

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Also, the range you just gave was a massive LMAO.

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However, I will add to Elijah's response that yeah, it probably is somewhere in that range.

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There's actually, there's, there's factors to it that help it be higher

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and there's factors to it that help it be lower. One of the help it be lower ones is that I don't think this person factored in OG subs,

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which are actually three dollars. Yeah. And we have a fair, how many OG subs do we have?

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Quite a few. Hundreds or thousands? Not hundreds, definitely not hundreds.

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A lot more than hundreds.

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And those three dollar subs really, wow, do they ever not?

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They don't, they don't cost this money. We make money off of them. Yeah, but they don't add up as fast as the other ones.

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The other ones just do a lot better. Yeah. Because it's, it's like delta over your costs, right?

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Yes. So when, when it, yeah, anyways, I don't need to explain that.

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And the three dollar subs also have more overhead associated with collecting that payment because

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every payment has a fixed cost as well as a percentage of the overall transactions.

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So yeah, a higher percentage of it is like transaction fees and stuff like that.

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So like it doesn't even, it doesn't even make it to us. It just goes to, people are straight.

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Basically, with how much you pay in fees and taxes and overhead,

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you might as well just not even run it. Why am I even here?

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You know what? Pitch is the headphones.

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Another thing that I would say though is, is so, okay. We lowered the range a little bit there,

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but another thing that I would say to increase the range is that we're not the only creator

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on the platform. And there's, there's, there's other creators contributing to that pie.

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Some of them very significantly. So, yeah. So, yeah.

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Dang puns. Dang puns has, has, has quite a few subscribers.

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I had something upside down stuck in my throat there. Yeah.

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There's actually a decent amount of creators on full plane that I like just really actively

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watch their content on full plane, which is like kind of sick.

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Yeah. Cause it's kind of cool. And I mean, you don't have to subscribe to all of them.

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Yeah, I have. Do you? Really? Okay. You if I, if I follow a channel for technical reasons, I won't pay for the sub.

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Okay. But if I'm like, I want to support this creator out, yeah,

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I'll just pay for the sub. I'd have to if it was on Patreon.

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Very cool. So like, yeah, I don't know. No, that's the, it's that it's the right thing to do.

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I would think.

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Speculation. So like, there's, there's one.

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I have at a time directly subscribed. I don't know if I am right now.

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That's the main LTT channel. I have at a time been directly subscribed to dank pods, for instance, because there was a

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while where my sleep schedule was all whack. So I was awake more often when he was actively streaming and I would just have his drum stream

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in the background while I was working. So it was like, yeah, I mean, I'm just actually watching this like for fun content.

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So, well, that's understandable. Yeah. I mean, Wade's super cool.

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Yeah. Speculation number two, since some channels contributed so little, that's why they were

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shut down. So the reference here is of course to the not LTT or ShortCircuit or tech links channels,

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because you got to remember for most of last year, actually even LMG clips

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earns more than that. Quickie GameLinked MAC addresses in there somewhere, Channel Super Fun.

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There is. Okay, hold on. I'm going to read the official response first.

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It is worth noting. Ah, yes, good. It is worth noting that that chart only shows AdSense, not sponsorships,

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which when one channel uploads 15 videos over the course of an entire year and another channel

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uploads almost, you know, two videos a day in the case of LMG clips.

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Well, of course that channel is going to make less AdSense, but there is more to the revenue

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of a channel than just AdSense. And that was one of the points that we were trying to drive home in this video is AdSense

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is like a smaller part of the pie these days. How does the creator economy work exactly?

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How do these numbers break down at an organization that isn't just a YouTube channel?

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And not every YouTube channel will fall. And I think we say this in the video, but not every YouTube channel will follow

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similar splits to what we have, but this is ours.

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No, not at all, but this is ours. Point number two on this one is the shutting down of the channels was never about the money.

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I made that explicitly clear at the time and I know that there is a cohort of people

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that believe that every time I open my mouth, I am lying.

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That is not in fact the case. If I say it wasn't about the money, I can't tell you what it was about.

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It means it wasn't about the money, but I can't give you any more detail about what exactly it was about.

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At the end of the day, we made a decision to pause the production,

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to focus on the areas we needed to focus on and make LMG as awesome as it can possibly be.

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All right. Speculation number three was that we should have just said how much money we make in

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the video. Some people said big companies show their revenue all the time. Why can't LMG?

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And the answer is that because those publicly traded companies by law are required to disclose

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certain aspects of their finances for their shareholders. LMG is still a private company

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and we don't have to go as far as we did, but we made a decision to do so knowing that a lot

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of people, the ones who care anyway, are going to go and do the math for themselves anyway

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and realistically, coming back to speculation number one, probably end up in the right range or so.

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The thing that you guys don't know, of course, is what our expenses look like, what our overhead

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looks like. It's probably higher than you think. We have over a hundred people on staff.

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Like we went from, I think in our first year, our total revenues were,

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ooh, I'm a little rusty on this. It was under a million dollars though. Our total top line revenue

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was under one million dollars in our first year of operation. And nowadays,

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I'll say this. Okay. How do I not get too specific? It's a lot more than that.

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Nowadays, depending on which period it's for, there are regularly pay periods where,

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whether it's with expense reimbursements or whatever else, I'm going to keep this fuzzy

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and that's intentional. But there are regularly pay periods where the overall withdrawal

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from the company's coffers is greater than that. It happens.

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Sorry, I mean monthly, monthly. Back then, we paid on a monthly basis.

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So there are months where our overall payroll expense is greater than the entire revenue for

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the company in our first year of operation. Of course, in the first year, that wasn't a huge

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problem because the entire employee count was me, Luke, Ed, Brandon.

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Brandon didn't even start January 1st. No, no, no. He started in like April or

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something like that. Was it just the four of us after one year? Or had we added?

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Were we in the new house before the end of the year? We were. So...

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Oh, do you want to hear something scary?

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It is almost Colton's 10-year anniversary.

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Think about what that means. When did Colton start?

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Right before we moved to the office. Wow.

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Look at his face. Look at his face.

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I was analyzing something that happened and I was trying to like...

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I was looking at something and I was like, okay, we shouldn't do this anymore.

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And then I was thinking back to myself in a similar role in the past.

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Because I was like, how should I address this? And I was like, well, I've done this thing that

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we shouldn't do. So I'm trying to put myself in those shoes to understand what it's like, right?

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And then I had the thought of like, that was nine years ago.

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Because it was 2016. I know. Because I split off to do full play stuff in 2017.

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I know. And I looked at the date and I was like, uh, uh, uh, uh, what?

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Dude, it's wild. Dude, it's wild.

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Anyway, there were some other questions that people had, some other assumptions.

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We can talk about a little bit more if you guys want to leave a merch message.

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As you guys know from watching that video, if you did,

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merch, which I think is actually an unfair word to use to describe the products that our team

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creates, but our merchandise contributes an enormous amount of our company's revenues.

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I did see a lot of people talking about how there's a huge difference between revenue and profit.

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And I will say, before anyone bothers to ask this one, there is a very good reason that we

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don't get into the profitability of each of those segments of the business.

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And the reason is that we actually can't really, at least not without adding a bunch of completely

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unnecessary administrative overhead, like how on earth would I tell you guys exactly what the

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cost is of a, of a, actually TechLinked would be relatively easy because there's a small team

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that works on that for a finite number of hours every day. But I'm like, what's the value of, uh, the earnings of one department floating another

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department while they cook for a while and then make tons of money? Well, okay, that, that we could kind of figure out.

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But what I'm, where I was getting with this is how do I determine the cost of an LTT video?

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There's so many parts of that. I would have to log every single hour of every single person involved from the business team

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talking to clients, to procurement, sourcing product, to the Labs team doing testing,

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to the writing team, to the shooting team, to the editing. Involve the administrative stuff?

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Like did, did they talk about this in their, in their one-on-one?

00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.400
With an executive? Did anyone in accounting have to do any reconciliations for it?

00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.200
Probably. You could kind of try to approximate it.

00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:03.760
The sponsor money isn't free. A business person had to work to get it. And we kind of do, we kind of do try to approximate those things in order to make

00:21:03.760 --> 00:21:06.880
sure that every aspect of the business is running in a healthy manner.

00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:13.040
But, and clearly we're doing okay. But if our whole goal with this type of transparency with you guys is that it's

00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:17.680
supposed to be accurate, then the most accurate way for us to do it is to,

00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:22.320
to give you something that we can actually trust. Something that we know is actually accurate.

00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:25.600
So one of the things that a lot of people brought up is like, you know,

00:21:25.600 --> 00:21:30.880
hey, with how much of the business is merged now, over 50%, why do they even

00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.720
bother with the video side? But it's murkier than that, right?

00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:40.880
Because a lot of that apparel sales and product sales is driven by that video

00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:46.640
production business. It's just that we've chosen to allocate the revenue into buckets this way.

00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:53.440
There are easily other ways that we could allocate it. Like if we created internal tracking links that we put under every single video,

00:21:53.520 --> 00:21:58.960
we could potentially track merchandise sales right back to individual videos.

00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:03.360
And we could have like a P and L for every single video production that we do.

00:22:03.360 --> 00:22:08.240
But then, you know, we're going to have to have a team that sits there and runs all of this stuff,

00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:14.800
which a bigger business than us, you know, if we were 250 people or 500 people instead of

00:22:14.800 --> 00:22:18.880
about a hundred ish, yeah, might actually make sense for us to continue to,

00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:23.120
you know, optimize and continue to do better or whatever.

00:22:23.520 --> 00:22:29.280
But right now, you know, we're too busy doing stuff to analyze it to quite that degree.

00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:34.160
Another question that came up before you guys bothered to send a merge message for this one

00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:41.360
is, hey, yo Linus, with how little of it is actually here, hold on, I'm going to see if I

00:22:41.360 --> 00:22:48.400
can find the pie chart with how little of it is actually those those NVIDIA like pre-roll

00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:56.880
and end roll things. Why exactly do you bother including them? Can you just can you just not

00:22:57.520 --> 00:23:06.160
do NVIDIA sponsor spots? It is a good question and it is something that I have considered.

00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:12.640
But what I will say is that you got to remember guys, this is revenue.

00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:22.720
9% of the pie really isn't nothing. So if we were to take 9% of this out, this is a very low cost aspect of our production,

00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:32.160
right? So we would be losing 9% of our revenue. But I'm just going to look at all the rest of

00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:37.200
this stuff. AdSense, sponsored projects. 9% is a massive section of the pie I just cut out.

00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:44.640
This is probably other than pasting affiliate links under videos. This is probably the lowest

00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:51.520
lift part of this entire pie. So you're not really asking us to cut out 9% of our revenue,

00:23:51.520 --> 00:23:57.760
you're asking us to cut out effectively 9% like you're effectively asking us to cut out 9% of

00:23:57.760 --> 00:24:02.000
our revenue that was almost pure profit. Yeah, that slice is much closer to profit than

00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:07.840
practically anything. Whereas like if you were to look at something like CW, right? Like a huge

00:24:07.840 --> 00:24:14.320
chunk of this piece is just cogs, cost of goods sold. Like it accounts for absolutely nothing

00:24:14.320 --> 00:24:20.960
other than us buying the product before we sell it to you. Huge. Then you've got, you know,

00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:26.880
tooling and development. Then you've got, you know, human resources. All of our products are

00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:32.880
designed here in Canada by our team here. So it's not like we're using just like cheap overseas

00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:37.840
labor and we're just like still screening our logo onto a screwdriver or something. Like it's

00:24:37.840 --> 00:24:44.960
not like that. We're doing real design work. There's also, you know, because of the famous

00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:50.640
trust me bro guarantee that for whatever reason turned into a scandal, a significant amount of

00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:56.960
cost here in returns. There was a reason. Oh, there's a reason, but the reasons are far more

00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:02.240
complicated than just, I know, you just, you just try to, you just try to slip that in all the time.

00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.840
And I, you know, I do. You can trust me bro about that.

00:25:10.560 --> 00:25:15.760
The point is that that, that is a significant cost that we bear here. So if you were to say,

00:25:15.760 --> 00:25:22.480
okay, Linus, stop doing creator warehouse, I don't know this off the top of my head, but I will say

00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:28.720
with some degree of confidence that the actual profitability of this is probably not that far

00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:34.240
off of this. Yeah. With that said, you could kind of say the same about AdSense, right? Like

00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:42.000
it's not, it's not, these aren't showing necessarily all the stuff that goes into it,

00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:47.280
because those like NVIDIA sponsor spots, AdSense sponsored projects, those are laying on top of

00:25:47.280 --> 00:25:52.560
the video production crew. Yes. And NVIDIA sponsor spots is also laying on top of the video

00:25:52.560 --> 00:25:58.480
production crew. Yeah. So if we were just making the videos, right, our costs are the same regardless

00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:08.160
of whether we have AdSense and NVIDIA sponsor spots. So I have thought about it. I have never

00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:14.160
gotten as far as discussing that as a possibility with the rest of the team. Unique username says,

00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:19.280
now I really want a profitability chart, but I can't because there's so many resources here.

00:26:19.840 --> 00:26:28.000
Like our, our, our talent and culture coordination team, HR, like our HR team, our accounting team,

00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:32.400
how do I allocate them? Like the accounting team does work for like smash champs sometimes.

00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:38.080
Do they log every one of those hours in a logbook? Does somebody audit that logbook? Like come on,

00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:42.640
come on, we don't, we don't need to do that. We don't have time for that. That's one of the major,

00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:47.200
some of it kind of does work that way actually. Like, yes, I know some does. Yeah. Some of the

00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:53.200
development in particular. However, those are contractors. That's a workflow that contract

00:26:53.280 --> 00:27:00.000
developers are like kind of used to, like that's just part of it. When you're just an employee

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:06.240
for a company that shares all the same ownership team or ownership group, there's no good reason

00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:12.880
to do that unless there's like, unless we're trying to, unless we're trying to kind of root out waste

00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:17.360
in some way. Like, Hey, is this project not making sense? Cause we're like really spending a lot of

00:27:17.360 --> 00:27:21.600
time on this. Like if we're kind of doing an investigation, then I would say that we would,

00:27:21.600 --> 00:27:25.360
we would get into logging stuff like that. But just in terms of day to day operation, no, I don't

00:27:25.360 --> 00:27:30.960
think we would feel free to, anyway, like I said, feel free to send some more merge messages. If

00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.240
you have more questions, we do have a discussion question here from Elijah. Can Elijah have a

00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:39.360
raise? Cause he did such a good job with this video and now knows how much the company makes.

00:27:39.360 --> 00:27:42.880
Okay. So two things, Elijah, number one is no, you don't know how much the company makes. We

00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:47.680
already talked about that because you only see the revenue and number two, no, get rekt or maybe,

00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:51.280
but I'm actually not in charge of that. That was one of the big hasn't been for a bit.

00:27:51.280 --> 00:27:58.400
That was one of the big reasons that I wanted to let go of the leadership reins because

00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:05.760
the reality of it was while I've talked about this in the past, I could be CEO of the company.

00:28:05.760 --> 00:28:12.640
I didn't have time to really know what everyone was doing, what everyone was doing,

00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:18.880
how good of a job they were doing, you know, did, did they, you know, deserve a raise? And then also

00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:24.640
be the primary host and, and that creative energy guy and, and sit on this podcast for three to four

00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:28.800
and a half hours a week and like all the other things that I do, I didn't have time to do a good

00:28:28.800 --> 00:28:34.960
job. And so I'd be, I'd be in these like annual reviews where we're talking about compensation

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:41.840
and it got to the point where I was like, if we get any bigger, I'm just going to be going on

00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:49.440
gut feel, which is not okay. That's, that's not good enough. And so no, I do not determine

00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:56.240
Elijah's compensation. How has that been? Has it felt like a good, because I know some, some things,

00:28:57.280 --> 00:29:02.320
I don't know this, I suspect some things you had hoped to let go of and probably weren't fully able

00:29:02.320 --> 00:29:07.200
to just because it is how it is, not because someone wasn't doing things correctly. But I know

00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.520
that you were able to let go of, has that felt like a weight off? It's been hard

00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:20.720
because there are cases where I've felt like I want to be involved, but part of letting go of

00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:26.800
something is that you have to actually let go. And the second that I have someone come to me,

00:29:26.800 --> 00:29:32.160
like let's say you came to me and you were like, Hey, I'm not happy with my compensation.

00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:39.040
The second I took that and I put my finger on the scale, now I'm basically in charge of it again.

00:29:39.040 --> 00:29:44.000
Yeah. Think about it, right? Because the second you do that, someone else is going to do that.

00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.040
And then someone else is going to do that. And then Taryn's going to be sitting there going,

00:29:47.040 --> 00:29:51.040
okay, well, what is the point of even putting together these performance metrics and these

00:29:51.040 --> 00:29:56.480
reviews and these, these management layers and this budgeting. Why am I even doing any of this?

00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:01.360
If Linus is just going to come in and say, Oh yeah, well, like Luke's kind of my buddy outside of

00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:06.800
like the work that he does and do it this way, like he's blonde. So like that's cool.

00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:09.840
I mean, that's a problem in its own right.

00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:18.880
But like he's sexy. So, right? Like it's ridiculous.

00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:26.240
So it's probably good that you don't do those things. So, you know, look, and it's one of those things where Luke's and my relationship is

00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.640
particularly complicated because we are friends and he has talked to me about his compensation.

00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:36.800
But what I have to do is I have to basically say, okay, I am taking off my company hat and I feel

00:30:36.800 --> 00:30:44.000
like, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like I have given you from the benefit of my

00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:50.720
experience, friend advice that is not necessarily aligned with the corporation's best interests.

00:30:51.600 --> 00:30:57.840
I would also like to, so I, I agree. I would also like to put forward that I think I came

00:30:57.840 --> 00:31:01.200
to those conversations looking for that. Yeah. Not the other side.

00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:05.520
100%. So I think it worked out great. It is a very weird and complicated relationship.

00:31:05.520 --> 00:31:12.960
I think we both do a pretty good job. We try. But sometimes it doesn't work out perfectly. But what I didn't do and what I wouldn't do

00:31:13.520 --> 00:31:18.720
is take what he told me as a friend and raise it up the flagpole.

00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.240
Which I also didn't want him to take it up the chain because that's not the way that's

00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:27.200
supposed to work. The way it's supposed to work is if Luke has a concern and I'm not saying Luke

00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:32.000
was complaining about his own pay, what I'm saying is that something to do with compensation,

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.640
Luke had a concern that he wasn't sure how to approach and he wanted to talk to me as a friend.

00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:42.720
So we did, but I can't, I can't put my thumb on the scale because it's like it's,

00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.880
and this isn't even necessarily one of those scenarios, but like, and I have struggled with this

00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:54.320
and I've tried to coach people who manage people under me on this same thing. I struggle with it.

00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:58.480
Now I will probably always struggle with it. You have to let certain things like fail.

00:31:59.280 --> 00:32:04.000
Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, dude, it's so hard. It's so painful. Think about the number of ideas

00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.440
that you've either pitched me or heard pitched to me that I've been like,

00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.160
I do not believe this will work, but try anything twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.080
How many times have you heard me say those words? Quite a few times. Like I don't think I could

00:32:16.080 --> 00:32:23.200
count it. You can't fit it on hands. I don't know how many times. It's so hard. And it is tough,

00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.800
but like, and you have to also understand that when you're on the like, receiving end of that,

00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.680
that, and I'm not saying this is one of those scenarios, but in all of these scenarios,

00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.040
like anything that Linus had to give up, I think, hmm, can I say this?

00:32:37.040 --> 00:32:40.720
I don't think you say anything you want. It's a free country. I think, what am I going to do?

00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:46.080
Fire you? A problem that we had when you and Yvonne were holding certain positions,

00:32:46.080 --> 00:32:49.920
because you guys wouldn't let certain things fail sometimes too much. Oh yeah.

00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.360
And then that like limits people's growth potentials. So sometimes you have to like,

00:32:55.360 --> 00:32:59.840
as a manager, you have to weigh the like, what is the loss of letting this thing fail

00:32:59.840 --> 00:33:04.160
versus the actual real loss of this person not learning this thing.

00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:08.560
Dude, people have to learn things for themselves. Yeah. Do you know how many things? You can't just tell people.

00:33:08.560 --> 00:33:13.920
Dude, the number of things. Okay. Okay. Here's a perfect example. Here's a perfect example

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:20.720
that completely changed the trajectory of my life. Okay. When I was going into school,

00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:27.360
okay, I joined the science program at UBC and I was like, I don't know. I'll do whatever it is

00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:32.000
that science people do. And like, I had no idea what I wanted to do for a career. I just,

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.920
I knew that you're supposed to have a degree because that's what my generation was told.

00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:42.320
And also a high school diploma was worthless by the time I got one. And so I went to university.

00:33:42.320 --> 00:33:46.800
I like, I got to went to a good school and I went to science because I mean,

00:33:46.800 --> 00:33:53.120
that'll look good on my resume, right? And my uncle told me, so my uncle says, look,

00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:00.400
you're making a mistake. Go into business. Learn business because everything is business. I went,

00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:07.680
uncle skip. He's always, he's always pushing this business agenda, but I'm going to do science.

00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:14.560
And he was a hundred percent right. I didn't understand what business was. No,

00:34:14.560 --> 00:34:20.080
it sounded boring. It sounded like wearing a suit. Yeah. I had no idea that business

00:34:20.080 --> 00:34:26.080
can be plumbing. Like literally anything. It could be literally anything. You can use business.

00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:30.080
Like some of the best stuff I learned at BCIT when I was taking a development course. Yeah.

00:34:30.080 --> 00:34:33.520
Was the mandatory business courses that came along with it because they were like

00:34:33.520 --> 00:34:37.440
communications and other things like that. And I used those more than probably anything

00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.640
else I learned at school. I never used Java. I didn't program in Java professionally ever.

00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:47.760
I don't know, but I used all the business courses. Because like, so to the plumber example,

00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:55.360
you can be a plumber and you can make a salary or you can run a plumbing business and you can make

00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:02.160
if you are successful, which will take some work, some luck, right? If you are successful,

00:35:02.240 --> 00:35:08.160
you can make many times a salary. And that was his point. His point was no matter what you do.

00:35:08.160 --> 00:35:12.560
Even if you go somewhere and earn a salary, you can use those things you learned in business

00:35:12.560 --> 00:35:19.040
to help accelerate your career. Like it's working within that organization and being useful within

00:35:19.040 --> 00:35:25.120
that organization can be amplified by understanding business stuff. So yeah, that was that was a

00:35:25.120 --> 00:35:29.840
thing that changed my life. But I had... Sorry, sorry. PK7 said I'm going to slightly modify. Oh,

00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.280
no, it's exactly what he said. Or you can become a farmer and make a salary.

00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:40.640
Do the thing. I was thinking about it. My hand was hovering.

00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:48.240
Okay. So the point is that he explained it to me. He told me everything that I'm telling you guys

00:35:48.240 --> 00:35:57.920
now, I have no new information than I had. Yeah. But what I have is knowledge, which is what I value

00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:04.640
a lot more than my car. We got some books. Yeah, we got some Star Wars books. The Jedi path.

00:36:05.520 --> 00:36:08.640
Why is that there? Is that yours? Did you like order that and forget it here or something?

00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:11.920
I have no idea who's it is. Why are there Star Wars books? Do you want to get them? They've been

00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:16.960
here forever. Yeah, I don't know how long these have been here. You're sure they're not yours?

00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.320
I don't. Because you totally read like trashy Star Wars literature. Yeah.

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:24.080
And you totally get your stuff shipped to the office. I don't think I would have bought this though.

00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:31.040
How sure are you? Not 100% sure. But if I did buy it, it would have been a long time ago.

00:36:31.040 --> 00:36:35.040
It's yours. I don't care about it. My set deck. He'll read it.

00:36:38.240 --> 00:36:41.840
From the camera angle we never use. Are you sure it's not supposed to actually be set deck?

00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.960
Like I feel like I should probably leave it here. I don't know why it's in cellophane then.

00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:50.640
FogelBR asks, I'll ask this here in Floatplane chat. Can you empathize with those of us who miss

00:36:50.720 --> 00:36:56.000
you being more unguarded like you were in the past? Now it seems like with Terran being so guarded,

00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.280
part of the allure of getting to know business insider things is gone, which is one of the

00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.720
reasons I've been a fan. Am I being guarded right now? And I don't think Terran being here would

00:37:04.720 --> 00:37:09.360
be the reason for that change. I also don't personally think Terran is super guarded.

00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.240
No. To be honest, I think that's a misread. Yeah. I mean, he's not as accessible.

00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.840
Sure. Because he's not on WAN Show every week. Sure. But that doesn't mean he's guarded.

00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.720
No. No, it just means he's, but I can understand why they have the perception.

00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:28.000
Sure. It's just, I'm just pointing out there that I don't think it's true.

00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:34.000
Like I'm pretty readily available. I am. Yes. Like whenever I see a message

00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.960
somewhere about how impossible Linus is to get in touch with, I'm like, yo, you didn't try that

00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:44.880
hard. Yeah. Like I am not that hard to get my attention. It's possible that you had a terrible,

00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:52.080
terrible idea. And so I didn't acknowledge it, but I might have seen it. In fact, depending where

00:37:52.080 --> 00:37:56.560
you put it, I probably saw it, but I'll have, dude, I'll have people say how hard I am to get in

00:37:56.560 --> 00:38:01.680
touch with. And they literally haven't emailed the public email address on our YouTube channel.

00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:05.520
Yeah. They haven't posted on the forum. Like they just, they didn't even try.

00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:10.080
I've had situations like that before with myself. And I, I don't, I don't even know if I'm as easy

00:38:10.080 --> 00:38:13.600
to contact as you are, but there's some pretty obvious ways to get a hold of me.

00:38:13.600 --> 00:38:19.120
There are ones that don't work. Like I don't, I do not get notifications for DMs on Twitter,

00:38:19.120 --> 00:38:23.040
for instance. Your DMs are open. Yeah. But I don't look at them. Yeah. See mine

00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:26.160
a little harder. My DMs are not open. Oh, okay. But you can tweet at me.

00:38:26.160 --> 00:38:30.640
Wow. Are you just like too cool and too popular? It's like this guy, man. He's got his steam friends

00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:34.880
offline by default because he's just too cool and popular and people will like want to game with

00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:41.440
them because he's too cool. He's so popular. Oh my goodness. So I could never like find him in my

00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:47.840
list. You can just say he's a favorite. Yeah. Oh, so, wow. So you think you deserve to be a

00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:56.640
favorite because you're too cool and popular. You're a favorite. You're a favorite on mine. Because you're too cool and popular to be ever online. I don't search for you. I see how it is.

00:38:56.640 --> 00:39:01.600
My goodness. I see how it is. My goodness. He's just too cool and popular. I mean, look,

00:39:01.600 --> 00:39:06.320
all we have to do is look at any kind of controversy, right? And it's like Linus bad,

00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.840
Luke, cool and popular. Why does he hang out with that Linus guy?

00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:17.360
Maybe it's because of actions and words. Wow. See, he's mean.

00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:24.320
He just does it with a big smile. So you're all like, oh, Luke, he's so funny. That was mean.

00:39:25.520 --> 00:39:29.120
He hurt my feelings just now. No, I don't have feelings. I'm a narcissist.

00:39:29.840 --> 00:39:34.640
Or sociopath. Or what have I been accused of? No, just narcissism, right? Has anyone called

00:39:34.640 --> 00:39:38.640
me a sociopath yet? Probably. Probably. I have no idea. You know what? I'm going to search the

00:39:38.640 --> 00:39:42.800
channel. There's a lot of words out there. I'm going to search the channel for comments

00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.880
that contain sociopath. You can't get out ahead of it. I'm going to do it too fast.

00:39:51.040 --> 00:39:54.560
What are we supposed to be doing right now? I think we're still in the house.

00:39:54.560 --> 00:40:00.640
L2T make money topic? Oh, okay. Hold on. Elijah had one more conversation question.

00:40:00.640 --> 00:40:05.680
Do you think being as transparent as we've been as a company has shot us in the foot?

00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:11.600
Yeah. Yes. Has shot us in the foot for the future? This applies to several aspects. Sponsored

00:40:11.600 --> 00:40:15.600
relationships, finances, product development, et cetera. Oh, no, not to those things, to be

00:40:15.600 --> 00:40:19.760
honest. Yeah, no, just mostly community stuff. Yeah, no, it's just, it's always amazing to me

00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:26.960
to see people turn a W into an L, you know, and take something like that video that we did. And

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:32.320
it's fine to ask more questions. I understand why people are curious, right? But some people seem

00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.480
to be legitimately angry that we didn't say more, that we didn't show more. If you do it at all,

00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:43.760
you didn't do it far enough. Yeah. Like, nah, f*** off. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. Most people

00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:48.000
wouldn't have done this at all. Some people do it. There are other examples. Yeah. I mean,

00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.800
Mr. Beast is shockingly transparent. He doesn't have to be. Yeah.

00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.320
Has he publicly traded yet? I thought he's, did he do a private sale of stock?

00:40:59.120 --> 00:41:04.800
Yeah, I think he sold privately. Private sale? Yeah. Yeah. That's, oh yeah, I was going to talk

00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:10.480
about that earlier, how one of the reasons that we've never taken outside money is because of

00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:17.120
how much less of that internal tracking nonsense we have to do when the ownership is identical

00:41:17.120 --> 00:41:23.120
for all the companies. Yeah. So I can, I can say, you know, oh my goodness, we need a thing developed

00:41:23.120 --> 00:41:32.160
for LTT Store. Where on earth will I find a developer? Yeah. The developers for LTT Store

00:41:32.160 --> 00:41:37.040
stuff, neither of them actually work for Linus Media Group. Yeah. So, and that's something that I

00:41:37.040 --> 00:41:42.560
think we're probably going to do like a restructuring, that's a really scary word, but it's not going to

00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:46.880
be scary the way that we're doing it. We're going to be doing like a restructuring at some point

00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:54.320
where we take some departments whole, okay, everyone chill. If you work here and you're

00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:00.160
watching this chill. They're restructuring. I know. So we take some departments in their entirety and

00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:04.800
then we shift what organization they actually work for. I think I might have even talked about this

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:10.720
on Wancho before, but we want to take some things like human resources, accounting, development

00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:15.920
potentially. Oh, like parent company them. And make them a pooled resource like customer service.

00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.840
Infrastructure. Is there any good reason why we have fragmented customer service?

00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:24.560
A different customer service team for Floatplane and Creator Warehouse. I mean,

00:42:24.560 --> 00:42:31.840
everyone's job on both of those teams is basically to say yes. So, or say no if people are being

00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.760
completely unreasonable. I just mean. She's pretty rare. I just mean the flows are pretty

00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.720
straightforward. We actually say yes to a lot of very unreasonable things. I know. Just so you

00:42:41.200 --> 00:42:47.360
know. I know. I know. That is the marching orders. I had a long conversation with another creator

00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:55.520
many years ago, many years ago about how obviously we'd be in a position where regardless of our

00:42:55.520 --> 00:43:04.960
stated warranty policies, we'd be insane to step out of line in any way. And this long conversation

00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:11.360
was very well understood. Very well understood by the other creator at the time. And I don't know,

00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:17.360
somewhere along the line, someone got confused about it at some point. And we had the trust me

00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:25.360
bro controversy. But yeah, we would be insane. I mean, look how explosive things are when we

00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:31.680
actually don't harm anybody. Name a name. Name someone who didn't get warranty coverage on their

00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:40.720
backpack. Name and name. Me. Really? No. Really? How many free backpacks do you have?

00:43:40.720 --> 00:43:53.920
Two. Three. Three. F***ing guy. I got it wrong. Yeah. The one that I have that has the old

00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.760
carabiners. I think you even saw this. I'm on like a mission to not let them break.

00:43:58.080 --> 00:44:04.000
And the only time, the only time one of them even got close was a TSA agent, like put their

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.560
thumb right through it. Is this just you like kind of doing that thing where like you just

00:44:08.560 --> 00:44:13.760
want the rare one no matter how much worse it is? Probably. Okay. But yeah, I haven't replaced them.

00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.920
I totally could, obviously. Yeah. The new bag has them on it. Yeah. And they're great. Yeah,

00:44:18.640 --> 00:44:24.960
they're better. But my old ones are fine. Okay. They still work. Okay. That's Lexic Stoner 240

00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:35.200
says Linus, you didn't give me a warranty. I also don't have a backpack. Nice. Okay. What do you

00:44:35.200 --> 00:44:40.640
want to talk about next? Did I get it? Yes, I have the button actually. I want to ask if I have the

00:44:40.640 --> 00:44:47.760
button. Do you have, do you have mine? Nice. That invalidates what he did. Yeah. I have the button,

00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:55.600
but I don't know. All right. What are we supposed to be doing, Dan?

00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:01.680
You could do another topic or we could move into some merge messages up to you. No,

00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:06.000
it's not up to me. I don't decide these things. Let's do some merge messages. I'm not even the

00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:12.160
CEO anymore. That's right. But you're the vision man. What is your vision for this WAN Show?

00:45:12.160 --> 00:45:16.640
Your vision could be Dan, tell me what to do. I always call him eyeball officer. I like it.

00:45:17.520 --> 00:45:24.640
I call him the peepers. What a weird thing to call someone. The peepers is crazy.

00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.840
What are the peepers thinking about today? I've never heard that before. Wow.

00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.840
How about some announcements? Let's get through those. No, we should do another topic.

00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.960
That's wild. Yeah, we've only done one topic. How is that even possible? What is this show?

00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:48.880
Who knows? I mean, certainly it's a show about detailed and accurate medical advice. That's for

00:45:48.880 --> 00:46:08.480
sure. Oh my goodness. Yeah. All right. AMD says the RX9070 XT sold 10 times more than its predecessor

00:46:09.040 --> 00:46:16.560
in the first week. Lisa Sue dropped this claim in an interview with ASUS Tony saying it has been a

00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:22.240
fantastic success. Actually, it is the number one selling graphics card of all the AMD Radeon

00:46:22.240 --> 00:46:29.040
generations for first week sales by far 10 times higher. Nice. This may be true for launch week,

00:46:29.040 --> 00:46:34.240
but does not necessarily indicate a successful quarter or year for AMD. This graph from John

00:46:34.240 --> 00:46:45.120
Petty research shows a decline in sales for AMD's Halo products dating back to 2009.

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:58.480
Basically, other than a little bit of uptick in the, what is this? Third attempt at rebrand. No,

00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:05.040
okay. Sorry. Hold on. Okay. So this is the launch of Hawaii after multiple rebrands of,

00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:14.720
oh man, I'm trying to remember. Which one did they rebrand like a bazillion times? She said it's of all the Radeon generations though. So that would be all the way back to 2009. So this

00:47:14.720 --> 00:47:19.840
is a like over four-fold increase. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm trying to remember.

00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.440
Which one was the one that they rebranded like a zillion times? Oh, I don't know.

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:32.320
I'm trying to remember. This they rebranded once, the 480 to the 580, but I thought it was the 7970,

00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.560
wasn't it? I thought it was 7970 or 7950. Didn't that care? Was it a Halo product that was rebranded?

00:47:36.560 --> 00:47:44.400
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, was it the 50, 5870? Come on. Help me out here, guys. There was one that

00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:53.680
got rebranded like three times. Someone's saying RX380. Man, how do I not remember this anymore?

00:47:53.680 --> 00:47:58.240
290, a lot of rebrands too. Yeah, but that's, I think that's before this. Yeah. The 290 did have

00:47:58.240 --> 00:48:08.640
a lot of rebrands. There was one before that though. 7970 became the 280X. 7970 to 280 to 380.

00:48:08.720 --> 00:48:14.960
Oh, that's right. That's right. It was the 7970, which became part of the 200 series

00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:22.320
and then became part of the 300 series again. Like that GPU was around flipping forever

00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:26.160
as a current part of their lineup. Oh, atomic brain fart says 380 was different.

00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:33.760
I really thought they, I really, I really thought it was part of it. 7970 and December 11th and

00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:39.120
then became the 280X. It was rebranded as the R9 280X, essentially the same GPU. We're doing R9

00:48:39.120 --> 00:48:42.960
3. Okay. Someone copy pasted something into the chat, but it seems to have been truncated.

00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:47.760
I think it got cut off. That's really helpful. All right. Well, either way, cool. Anyway,

00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:55.520
so yeah, they've been in a long, steady decline according to John Petty research for literally

00:48:55.520 --> 00:49:07.440
like 16 years. However, however, I see hope. I see hope. Like you can see it just in publicly

00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:12.560
available data, like the number of reviews on products. Like back in the Fury days, you'd look

00:49:12.560 --> 00:49:16.000
at these cards on New Egg and like, yeah, technically there's listings for them and there's

00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:21.760
like a couple in stock, but there'd be like six reviews and that's over a span of like six months.

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:29.120
So in effect, nobody was buying these cards, but that does not seem to be the case with the 7000

00:49:29.120 --> 00:49:35.760
series. It is worth noting that while the 9070XT is likely the top end card from AMD this generation,

00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:41.200
it's not meant to be a top of the line competitor like some of the other cards that were highlighted

00:49:41.200 --> 00:49:46.000
on that graph. With that said, it's a higher end competitor than Polaris, for instance, which was

00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:52.240
meant to be more of a mid-range card. But that's, oh man, I don't know. Is this meant to be positioned

00:49:52.240 --> 00:49:58.240
higher than Polaris? Because Polaris launched at like 250 bucks or like 199 or something like that.

00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:03.040
Don't quote me on those numbers, but it was like affordable, but then is like

00:50:03.680 --> 00:50:10.240
549, 699, or 649, 699. Is that like, is that mid-range now?

00:50:11.680 --> 00:50:15.600
I think it's kind of... I didn't just hear that sigh. I felt it.

00:50:15.680 --> 00:50:22.960
Yeah. Anyway. It actually bothers me because low-range users have kind of been priced out.

00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:28.720
Like the 60 series... So there's kind of two things that have happened at the same time. One is

00:50:28.720 --> 00:50:34.160
the prices of graphics cards have massively ramped. Another one has been that like, I don't know about

00:50:34.160 --> 00:50:41.760
you, but when they first shifted to talking about like 60, 70, 80 kind of series cards,

00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:45.600
we're talking about like after the 9800 series.

00:50:45.600 --> 00:50:53.600
Sure. So starting with the 200 series of cards, the 60 series was like, it had a lot of focus,

00:50:53.600 --> 00:50:58.240
I feel like. Generally one price to performance. Like it was a very reasonable card to get. It was

00:50:58.240 --> 00:51:03.520
pretty solidly priced. It got you a really good step up in generation every time. It was good.

00:51:03.520 --> 00:51:08.640
It was a good thing to buy. Just yeah, if you just want to like game at 1080p medium to high,

00:51:09.600 --> 00:51:16.560
just like buy that every time. I don't know when that started getting eroded, but it feels like it has been.

00:51:16.560 --> 00:51:22.320
Well, the 2000 series didn't even like, oh no, they got a 20, the 2060 kind of sucked though,

00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:29.680
because the main highlight of the 60 series was, or the 2000 series was that it had ray tracing.

00:51:29.680 --> 00:51:37.600
But the 2060, yeah, you can play Indiana Jones and the Great Circle on it. It's actually okay,

00:51:37.600 --> 00:51:43.840
but like barely. So you were, compared to the 1660, right, which was the non-RTX

00:51:44.640 --> 00:51:49.600
from that generation, but it's 16 series instead of 20 series. I don't know, whatever they were

00:51:49.600 --> 00:51:55.840
doing with that branding. That was honestly a way better value if you didn't care about ray

00:51:55.840 --> 00:52:01.200
tracing and the 2060, even if you did care about ray tracing, it was barely really capable of it

00:52:01.200 --> 00:52:06.960
anyway. So that was to me where the 60 series kind of lost its luster. But for me, the bigger

00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:12.960
conversation is like, what the f**k happened to the 50 series? Yeah, fair enough. 50 also used to

00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:18.560
be a great value. Yeah, solid card. Like back with like Maxwell, right? Like a 950 Ti or whatever

00:52:18.560 --> 00:52:26.880
was like a pretty solid card. Like the 1050 was like, or 1050 Ti. I believe there was a 1050 Ti.

00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:32.160
Hold on, I'm pretty sure. And I'm pretty sure it was pretty solid. 1050 Ti. Yeah, there was a 1050

00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.760
Ti. Yeah, that thing was solid. And like, what was the MSRP when it launched?

00:52:38.080 --> 00:52:47.200
It was $139 US dollars. A solid card for $139. This is what we lost. Yeah, even look at the cooler.

00:52:47.200 --> 00:52:51.440
Like the cooler even looks cool if that's actually, that wasn't, I don't think that ever existed.

00:52:52.080 --> 00:52:58.000
Yeah, I never saw that. I know, I'm pretty sure those existed for 1060s. And I think, no, it says

00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:03.120
1050 on there. Yeah, yeah. No, 1060s, definitely you could buy ones that looked kind of like this.

00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:10.320
But this is, this effectively did not exist. It was all partner cards. Okay, okay. Yeah.

00:53:13.120 --> 00:53:20.800
Someone says they still use 1050 Ti's in slot machines. Nice. Nice. Anyway, speaking of

00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:28.160
somewhat maybe affordable cards, B580s are in stock. And this is not $250,

00:53:28.720 --> 00:53:38.480
which is what it was supposed to be, $250. Yeah. But $90 over MSRP feels less ridiculous than some

00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.240
of the stuff we're dealing with these days. Do you want to have a, do you want to have a Labs website

00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:49.120
feature discussion? Yeah, I would love to. So we've been, we've been figuring out getting

00:53:49.200 --> 00:53:53.840
pricing on the site because there's, there's been this, the discussion for quite a while now is like,

00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:59.360
how do we make, how do we, how do we get people, not that we even really profit off of this,

00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:03.200
but we want the site to be more useful, getting you to an actual purchasing decision

00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:11.760
is a form of, a very significant form of being more useful. So one of the problems that we have

00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:16.800
is we want to include pricing. We haven't traditionally included pricing. Yep. And we've

00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:22.080
talked about this. I mean, going way back to the original like roadmap meeting for the Labs

00:54:22.080 --> 00:54:28.000
website between me and Luke, we've talked about pricing, but it's not there yet, obviously.

00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:33.760
But, and, and there's a big reason why a lot, we, like back when I was testing graphics cards,

00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:37.920
every single time in the review, there would be price performance. It was the graph everyone

00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:43.440
cared the most about. It was a graph that like we cared the most about. Yep. Now it's completely

00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:48.960
irrelevant because the price, the MSRP is just meaningless. Yeah. Or it's not irrelevant information.

00:54:49.520 --> 00:54:55.120
It's irrelevant for us to create that graph based on numbers that aren't real numbers. Yeah.

00:54:55.120 --> 00:54:59.280
Numbers that are not going to be paying that price to buy the card. So it doesn't matter.

00:55:00.160 --> 00:55:04.240
So we're like, okay, we can get MSRP on the site, but like, does that really solve anything?

00:55:04.240 --> 00:55:09.520
So we're, we're working on, we have one of them right now, a store where they're sending us

00:55:09.520 --> 00:55:13.040
their information. So we can see if it's in stock, price stuff like that. It's not on the

00:55:13.040 --> 00:55:19.840
site yet, but we like API access today. We got that from one of them. Okay. And there's everyone

00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:25.440
have that or like seems like most stores do, but not all of them. And is that something that we

00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.880
have to like pay to access or like, what's the dealio seems like sometimes? Yes. Or is there

00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.600
like a rate that's free and then over a certain amount, we're going to try to talk to people

00:55:35.600 --> 00:55:42.240
because I suspect when we talk to people, it's going to be free. But I think by default,

00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:46.960
most places that want that type of information are not like public info sites. Right. Okay.

00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.720
There's something else. Okay. So anyways, we'll figure it out. But so far, it's been fine. It's

00:55:52.720 --> 00:55:57.680
been free. But something we're wondering about is like, okay, cool. So we can have some store

00:55:57.680 --> 00:56:02.240
information, but then it's going to be practically impossible. Like we have a global audience.

00:56:02.240 --> 00:56:07.520
It's going to be practically impossible to include store information from every single store in the

00:56:07.520 --> 00:56:12.720
world. So if we want to be able to build a price performance graph, which I would love to do,

00:56:13.520 --> 00:56:19.200
like do we do like a bring your own price setup? Oh, interesting. Where like you could plug in,

00:56:19.200 --> 00:56:22.960
because one thing that I like about that, and I'm wondering what you think about this, is

00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:30.960
you could do that for old cards to then, because you could put in the used market price. And then

00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:38.080
you could compare like a used market price 3090. Yeah. Based on your local market, like a listing

00:56:38.080 --> 00:56:42.640
that you found, you could just plug this number in marketplace and then you can compare that against

00:56:42.640 --> 00:56:48.800
maybe an MSRP card that is out right now and check the price performance based on those numbers.

00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:55.120
Like is that is that interesting? Would you, if you think back to, I don't know, like NCIX era,

00:56:55.120 --> 00:57:00.560
pre NCIX era Linus, I would use it so hard. If that's true, should we go that? I'd use it super

00:57:00.560 --> 00:57:05.040
hard. I think we should school me, but it takes development time, right? So yeah, we have to

00:57:05.040 --> 00:57:08.720
balance against like, what else could we do? I think we'd probably have to have both. I think

00:57:08.720 --> 00:57:14.080
you'd have to have a default because realistically, something like depending on whether we're talking

00:57:14.080 --> 00:57:22.000
creator warehouse or LTT, the US market is somewhere between 40 and 65% of our of our base,

00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:28.640
right? So like us is you probably just default to USD, because it kind of works for any market

00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:35.840
that derives pricing from USD MSRP as well, like Canada. Yeah. Like Canadian pricing for consumer

00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:44.800
electronics is almost without, without exception, just US pricing times the exchange rate. There are,

00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:48.720
there are industries that don't operate that way. Mobile phones, for instance, will have their own

00:57:48.720 --> 00:57:54.480
Canadian MSRP sometimes game consoles. But when it comes to the IT industry, almost all of it is

00:57:54.480 --> 00:58:00.960
purchased in US dollars. So it's just marked up from whatever the cost is in US dollars. That's

00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:09.120
just how it works because almost all of it is imported through LA. McBain asks tariffs,

00:58:09.120 --> 00:58:13.760
but tariffs are a completely separate conversation from that because

00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.280
aren't tariffs usually slapped on in cart? Well, Canada doesn't have any tariffs on electronics

00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:25.520
that are imported from China through the US. Yeah. So it wouldn't, it wouldn't matter. So

00:58:25.520 --> 00:58:29.920
basically for the US and Canada, you would just have to convert to your own currency to get an

00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.960
approximate idea of what the price to performance would be. For some, for stuff like Europe, man,

00:58:34.960 --> 00:58:39.440
it gets really complicated though, because like they do include their taxes and their pricing and

00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:49.360
like over here, we don't and okay, would the idea be potentially to try to have like at least one

00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:55.920
store partner for like, you know, a few currencies? I want to have ideally like a bunch of them. Oh,

00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:02.880
okay, okay. So this is not an or. So we are definitely going to have, because like, I mean,

00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:08.640
the Labs website is like fairly likely to lose money forever, but we do want to have affiliate

00:59:08.640 --> 00:59:14.480
links for people. So those would have to have store prices effectively. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure.

00:59:15.040 --> 00:59:19.040
Well, no, they wouldn't have to. We have them, we have them already and we don't have store

00:59:19.040 --> 00:59:22.800
prices. It would be way better. It would be better. It would be way better. So like it's in the

00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:27.920
retailer's thing anyway. It's in a retailer's best interest for us to have a functioning affiliate

00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:33.280
link. Yeah. And for us to have functioning stock and pricing. Yeah. Because effectively they win.

00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:36.640
So we can already have functioning affiliate links, but people are clicking on them blind,

00:59:36.640 --> 00:59:41.680
basically. Right, which is like stupid. It's not ideal. So, so that's, that's probably happening

00:59:41.680 --> 00:59:45.760
anyways. You can't rely on scraping though. We're not planning on scraping. Yes.

00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:55.200
We will never scrape anything. We are good boys. We definitely didn't already do that.

01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.480
on like, well, what does the MSRP even mean though? Because you can't buy a car at MSRP.

01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:13.840
That might be like true, but that's true right now. And that's also not true for a lot of other

01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:19.120
verticals. It's mostly just a problem for GPUs. Yeah. I mean, you can buy a CPU for MSRP right

01:00:19.120 --> 01:00:28.080
now. So we're making a site for more than just GPUs. Shraff2k asks, what about a calculator for

01:00:28.080 --> 01:00:33.840
price to performance where you can put your local pricing? Yes. You're all caught up with the

01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:39.120
conversation. What a great idea that we are in the middle of. I love that. That's fantastic. I

01:00:39.120 --> 01:00:43.760
think this was, I think this was like Liam's idea or something on the, on the Labs web team. But

01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:48.160
yeah, I think it's pretty sweet. There's, there's been a few other like interesting ideas on how we

01:00:48.160 --> 01:00:55.680
can deal with like pricing stuff on the site because we're trying to, yeah, make it useful,

01:00:55.680 --> 01:01:01.440
make it good. Angry Panda asks, why would you not scrape? Well, it's against the terms of service

01:01:01.520 --> 01:01:07.040
to use the data on people's sites in ways that they don't authorize. Some of them. Not technically

01:01:07.040 --> 01:01:12.960
all of them. Yeah, some of them though. Most I'd say. And you know, it's just, it puts additional

01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:20.160
load on their server for non-human traffic that is in violation of their terms of service. So

01:01:20.160 --> 01:01:25.680
if, for no other reason other than that, it's rude, we would never do it.

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Fold by the different company.

01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.440
Yeah. Linus Media Group would never do it.

01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:47.600
Sorry. Something in there. Okay. Anyway. Yeah. No, that sounds super cool. I would just, I would

01:01:47.680 --> 01:01:53.040
want it populated with something by default and then I'd want to have like an override. Okay, riddle

01:01:53.040 --> 01:02:02.320
me this. Not sure how it would look. Could we, could we implement like, like a high low, high low

01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:10.480
median of eBay sales prices? Because that would, I mean, that would tell us what is readily available

01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:13.840
secondhand. We're still learning how to do a lot of this stuff. Like I'm talking about, oh, we got

01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:18.080
it like a pricing thing today. It's super far from landing on the site because we're probably not

01:02:18.080 --> 01:02:21.920
going to want to land it on the site with only one partner. So we're probably still waiting to go

01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:25.600
through like communication negotiations with other partners. We also have to figure out like,

01:02:25.600 --> 01:02:33.040
how we're going to lay this stuff out? Like if we show multiple stores for the price performance

01:02:33.040 --> 01:02:37.200
thing, which might be a thing that we do, and we also make it so you can bring your own price,

01:02:37.200 --> 01:02:42.640
and then we also make it so you have high low, medium for eBay, but then eBay is very like location

01:02:42.640 --> 01:02:46.640
specific. This is starting to become the kind of thing that I'd want to like save my session for.

01:02:46.640 --> 01:02:51.760
Yeah, like it starts getting like really like we're scope creeping, feature creeping the heck out

01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:57.200
of it. So it's like, that might be cool, but then we're already like, again, we've never done this

01:02:57.200 --> 01:03:00.480
stuff before. This is new to us. How about this? We're looking at all this data from, from even

01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:05.200
these stores, and even the stores are really weird about how they list and label things sometimes.

01:03:05.200 --> 01:03:08.720
Oh yeah, because marketplace and like, so you'll have something that's a better price,

01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:14.880
but the shipping is like $45. We were, when we were looking at Amazon at one point,

01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:24.080
I found a SSD listed under graphics cards with like the specs like smashed into each other,

01:03:24.080 --> 01:03:30.560
sort of like some of them were GPU specs, some of them were like, you pull some really weird data out of there. So we have to try to figure out like how to

01:03:30.560 --> 01:03:34.320
match this up with reviews on our site and all these other things. And like there's,

01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:42.240
that I think it's more complicated when you go to somewhere like eBay. I would love to think that you could kind of crowdsource something like that, like the like

01:03:42.240 --> 01:03:48.880
valid links to the right, the right part number. But then sometimes those things can change,

01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:53.680
companies can rev stuff silently. And so all of a sudden that information becomes out of date,

01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:57.200
not because anyone in the community did anything wrong or because our site did anything wrong,

01:03:57.200 --> 01:04:01.360
but because there was just, there was a silent revision and nobody knows.

01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.560
Yeah, it's interesting. There's, there's a lot of different ways we can approach it.

01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:13.680
But I think this will be a, I think I would, in my perfect world, I would select my country

01:04:14.640 --> 01:04:20.640
and then I would say I want to buy new. Even that, like, so just sorry to cut you off,

01:04:20.640 --> 01:04:26.160
just even that, allowing country selection, we're now either excluding a ton of people

01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:32.160
or we're scaling to an incredible number of stores to support right off the bat.

01:04:32.160 --> 01:04:37.120
Well, we would start with one or two countries. Yeah. And then we would add as needed, but it's

01:04:37.120 --> 01:04:41.840
just in terms of like how I configure my view, I'd want to select my country because otherwise

01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:46.960
what are we even doing here? Right. And the US would probably be the default. Sure. So I'd want

01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:51.600
to select my country, scrollable list of countries with the US like you normally have with like

01:04:51.600 --> 01:04:59.520
keyboards and languages. Exactly. And then I'd probably want to go new, used, and then custom

01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:05.520
checkboxes. No, this would be like a mode. Okay. New, used, and custom. So custom is bring your

01:05:05.520 --> 01:05:10.560
own price. Yeah. Used is like eBay, Craigslist, whatever else. Yeah. And then new is just MSRP.

01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:17.600
No, no is store pricing. Store pricing. Yeah. Would you have an MSRP option just to like

01:05:17.600 --> 01:05:21.600
chip away at graphics cards? No. Just to make fun of graphics cards? What's the point? Yeah,

01:05:21.600 --> 01:05:25.760
it's just like, it's useless. What's the buy it for now? Yeah, exactly. Would you show,

01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.760
like what if, what if something is completely out of stock practically everywhere?

01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:37.520
Would we have like a warning? I mean, almost nothing is, tell me something.

01:05:38.240 --> 01:05:43.920
Tell me something. 5090. 5090. I'll find it in stock right now. I haven't checked at all. I have no idea.

01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:52.320
But I mean, there will be a scenario where there are none. Okay. So if you have $5,000,

01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:57.840
you can buy a 5090 right now. But you said new, right? That's new. But this is on eBay. So,

01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:03.920
so does new include eBay? Because people aren't always truthful about new things on eBay.

01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:08.720
Sometimes people sell pictures of things. I'm just, I'm just saying there's always out

01:06:08.720 --> 01:06:15.920
price. So what we could do is we could return our, our best result, our closest match. Like I'm,

01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:21.840
I'm willing to bet if I go on, uh, okay, here, let's, let's try Amazon.com. I bet there's like

01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:27.600
a third party seller that has a 5090 for like $6,000 or whatever.

01:06:33.680 --> 01:06:37.120
There we go. Add to cart. One left. $4,000. 5090. Boom.

01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:42.800
I'm not saying you should buy it. I'm just saying you can.

01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:46.080
That's such a yikes, dude. Was that, was that American Amazon?

01:06:46.080 --> 01:06:48.800
Oh yeah. You better believe it, buddy. That is like,

01:06:49.680 --> 01:06:54.560
wow, what does that, what does that actually work out to? So an additional $450 per thousand

01:06:54.560 --> 01:07:02.000
dollars. So that is like a $6,000 Canadian dollar GPU. That is, that is going to cost

01:07:02.720 --> 01:07:08.240
like over 10% of the median Canadian income for a GPU. If I recall correctly,

01:07:08.240 --> 01:07:11.760
absurd median Canadian income.

01:07:14.560 --> 01:07:24.160
A little under 10% wild, wild. Anyway, what are we supposed to be doing right now, Dan?

01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:31.920
We do need to kind of turbo thrive. I think we're, we never finished that topic.

01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:36.080
What one even was it even? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. No, there's not much more to say there. Okay.

01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:41.680
Yep. Cool. I think five topics was fine. Yeah, maybe.

01:07:44.240 --> 01:07:53.120
Let's cap off our week with end caps. That's right, folks. Dang it, I always get this wrong.

01:07:53.120 --> 01:08:02.560
From now until Monday, when you add both a precision screwdriver bundle and a precision

01:08:02.560 --> 01:08:09.440
end cap set to your cart, we are going to give you the end cap set for free. And if you don't know

01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:14.480
what we're talking about, we have designed the end caps of our precision screwdriver to be

01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:21.920
interchangeable. That's right. You can just put a little thing here. I think I got it.

01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:26.880
It's easier if you have a wrench. The point is you just hold this spot right here and

01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:34.240
you can screw off the end cap. So then you just got the little, little bearing piece right there

01:08:34.240 --> 01:08:43.760
and then replace it with one of our other end caps. We have also flat topped black one. Okay.

01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:48.240
Oh wait, what's going on here? Would you call that color copper? Not really. I don't know.

01:08:48.240 --> 01:08:54.400
Orange. And then we also have a concave one and a convex one. So if you're the kind of person who

01:08:54.400 --> 01:08:59.920
prefers to, you know, put your finger like this, you might prefer the concave. If you're the person,

01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:05.040
kind of person who wants to kind of palm it, then you might prefer the convex. I think,

01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:09.120
what's the default? Is the default flat? I'm checking right now. Oh man, they've, well,

01:09:09.120 --> 01:09:13.280
they've like changed all of these, I think. Yeah, but I'm checking the store listing. I think the

01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:18.640
default is flat orange. Yeah, the default is flat orange. And then it also comes with a matte black

01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:27.280
flat top one. So anyway, you got an end cap set for free. So not only do you get, oh wait,

01:09:27.280 --> 01:09:31.840
you get a 10, oh yeah. So not only do you get a 10% discount or a $10 discount by purchasing

01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:37.200
both a precision driver and a bit set. So that's for the combo. You also get another $10 value

01:09:37.200 --> 01:09:43.360
with the end cap set. That's $20 of value. The deal is available now until Monday,

01:09:43.360 --> 01:09:47.760
10 a.m. Pacific time and it will automatically apply if you have the precision screwdriver

01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:53.920
bundle and end cap set to your cart. There's also some updates here. Quick Floatplane update.

01:09:53.920 --> 01:10:00.800
Dan, do you want to bring that video up? Dan and Smash Champs general manager Jim Peng did

01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:07.440
a little tour of the currently soft launched Smash Champs. It is now up as a Floatplane exclusive.

01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:15.440
Dan may have struggled a little bit with the word, well, the name, Sisyphus. But other than that,

01:10:15.440 --> 01:10:22.640
absolute banger. There you go. You can watch from 755 and stop after Sammy says,

01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:26.960
one must imagine Dan happy. Do we have audio? Whatever that means.

01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:32.080
Look, Sammy, I'm syphilis or whatever that guy says.

01:10:40.320 --> 01:10:47.440
You can watch the rest of it at LMG.GG slash Floatplane. In other Floatplane goodness news,

01:10:47.440 --> 01:10:53.200
Sarah whipped up a new design live on stream this week. With suggestions from the chat,

01:10:53.200 --> 01:10:59.840
they've created Derpy Dino's volume one. And yes, it is exactly as adorable and silly as it sounds.

01:11:00.400 --> 01:11:06.560
What am I looking at here? Do we get to see it? Wait, is this it? Oh, streams of Sarah art print

01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:12.800
three. Streams of Sarah. Oh, there's a dry folder link that I don't have access to. Nice. Oh boy,

01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:20.000
I bet I don't have access to it either. I do not have access. So cool. All right. I will throw

01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:24.720
that on. Dan's working on it. Sarah's still doing some last minute touches like shading,

01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:31.120
but the outline is final. And you can expect to see that by the end of March 31st. Also,

01:11:31.120 --> 01:11:38.000
if you remember the content cosmos. Oh, that is super cute. They're not Derpy. They're exactly

01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:45.440
the way God made them. Derpy. That's fantastic. Do they all feature bread or is it? I think

01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:50.960
yeah, I think that's a cupcake a source over on the left there. Okay. And baguette a dactyl at the

01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:59.120
top. Yep, I got that. There's a full plane in the back right. There's a I don't actually see any

01:11:59.120 --> 01:12:07.520
bread on the like weird bird velociraptor. They're like gingerbread man. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:12.880
Where? Just above the rock on the right. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, no, I see those. I'm just wondering

01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:17.440
about the bird raptor there. Yeah, the very bottom middle one. Unsure. Also is that,

01:12:17.440 --> 01:12:20.800
is that little chicken and the egg in the bottom left like growing out of a loaf?

01:12:22.480 --> 01:12:29.360
Oh, I don't know. Maybe. Unsure. The missing link. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's how that works.

01:12:30.480 --> 01:12:33.760
Also, if you remember the content cosmos design she did in December,

01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:40.240
the one with the very legally distinct Pyro Kitsune. That one's been remastered to take

01:12:40.240 --> 01:12:48.400
better advantage of color usage for a poster. Oh my goodness, this looks flipping awesome.

01:12:48.400 --> 01:12:54.880
What size is that? That is so cool. And oh my goodness, there's a shirt.

01:12:56.080 --> 01:13:05.200
There's a color shirt. Oh, dude. Dude, that's fire. That is like actual fire. It's super cool.

01:13:05.280 --> 01:13:11.280
Super cool design. Anyway, both the Derpy Dinos shirt slash poster and the content cosmos poster

01:13:11.280 --> 01:13:17.520
are available until April 14th at LMG.gg slash streams with Sarah. And hey, just

01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:22.080
to sweeten. That shirt isn't available though. Just to sweeten the deal, the very first print

01:13:22.080 --> 01:13:28.320
of the poster is signed by Sarah, Dan and Sammy. And one random buyer is going to get it included

01:13:28.320 --> 01:13:34.160
with their order. It's marked one of one on the back. Also, yes, by the way, Derpy Dinos will

01:13:34.160 --> 01:13:39.760
get a remaster too. It's just taking a bit. Art takes time. It actually has a value because it

01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:46.240
actually does take time. That's how these things work. Well, what? No, people think art should be

01:13:46.240 --> 01:13:56.960
free. Do they? Yes. Okay. Dude. Okay. Tell you what. Hypothetical. Let's say someone,

01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:02.800
maybe let's say YouTube content creator, released an app where you could buy wallpapers.

01:14:05.120 --> 01:14:09.760
How mad would people be? Enraged. If they had to pay for wallpaper. Peaved.

01:14:11.120 --> 01:14:15.120
Would it be a big scandal? There was other problems with it. Yeah, there were.

01:14:17.280 --> 01:14:25.200
Just saying. However, there was a not zero number of people that were simply outraged at the idea

01:14:25.200 --> 01:14:29.840
of paying for art. What's the current status of that? I have no idea. What was it called?

01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:36.640
I have no idea. Panels or something? I have no idea. I almost immediately stopped caring about

01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:44.080
it completely. Yeah. I have not changed the wallpaper on my phone in as long as I can remember.

01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:51.280
I just use whatever is the default wallpaper and I give zero cares beyond that. I'm sorry,

01:14:51.280 --> 01:14:55.840
I just can't care about it. It still exists. It currently has a rating of 4.7 stars. Hey,

01:14:55.840 --> 01:15:02.080
there you go. How many reviews does it have? Almost 10,000. Wow. Okay. Well, then apparently,

01:15:02.080 --> 01:15:08.640
it's doing great. Go panels. That's what it's called. Yeah. Panels. There you go. Panels. Way to go.

01:15:12.160 --> 01:15:17.200
And do you want to come and merge messages? Oh, right. Yes. Merch messages. So if you buy any

01:15:17.200 --> 01:15:24.080
merch, the best, something, no, wait. If you want to interact with the show, we don't do Twitch bits

01:15:24.080 --> 01:15:28.880
or super chats or anything like that. The way we see it, if you're going to throw money at your

01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:33.920
screen, you should get something in return. So we do merch messages. So all you got to do is head

01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:39.200
over to LTTstore.com and find something you like, whether it's the precision screwdriver bundle

01:15:39.200 --> 01:15:43.600
that we were talking about earlier, where you can get a free end cap set, or whether it's just one

01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:49.920
of our recent products, like the reversible bomber jacket. Would you believe that this jacket

01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:56.640
and this jacket are the same jacket? What? What? Just ones inside out? No way. Which one's inside

01:15:56.640 --> 01:16:02.240
out? Oh, oh, oh, here's a debate. Dan. Yeah. Which one of them is inside out?

01:16:05.280 --> 01:16:09.760
I think I know. Depends where the seams are. Which one's inside out? I think there's an answer.

01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:14.000
Hold on. I've got one. I think the orange one's inside out. I was wearing mine today. I was wearing

01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:23.920
mine today, so I have it. I think there's an answer. Okay. Which one? Which one is inside out?

01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:33.280
I think the orange is technically the inside, because that's where the label is.

01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:38.880
Because you haven't ripped it out yet, so you can still tell. Okay. Now which one's inside out?

01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:44.240
Boom. Boom. Boom. I think it's still the orange, because the knowledge of the label originally

01:16:44.240 --> 01:16:52.560
being. Permanent. Yeah. Yeah. I think the correct hack would be which side has the zipper

01:16:53.200 --> 01:16:57.920
the right way, except that our garments are just random. Yep.

01:17:01.120 --> 01:17:06.720
So that doesn't quite count. So the reason for that is that it's different in Commonwealth

01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:15.280
and American countries, and in Canada, we're f***ed, man. We have no idea what's going on

01:17:15.280 --> 01:17:21.760
in terms of imperial and metric and color with a U. Why not both? Color without a U.

01:17:22.480 --> 01:17:27.120
Aren't we pretty solidly on color with a U? I regularly see Canadians spell it without a U.

01:17:28.080 --> 01:17:32.960
Regularly. Fair enough. And most of our spell check is going to default to American English.

01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:37.680
So it won't. I correct it all the time. No color, no neighbor. I'm like a little,

01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:42.560
I care too much about that, and I suspect most people don't. Yeah. That makes sense.

01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:49.760
Yep. I get it. I get it. So anyway, that wouldn't work for that. The answer is that there is no

01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:54.800
answer. The point is, all you got to do to send a merch message to interact with the show is pick

01:17:54.800 --> 01:18:01.440
something up on lttstore.com. Like say, for example, our terminally online hoodie. Get it.

01:18:02.400 --> 01:18:08.400
Boop. And then you will get in your cart a little box for a merch message. Look at that. We are

01:18:08.400 --> 01:18:12.800
live. I would like my purchase to appear as a merch message. So you can go ahead and send a little

01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:16.960
message and it will go to producer Dan. Ooh. Is that what they sound like? It will go, yeah,

01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:22.640
that's what they sound like. It will go to producer Dan, who will throw it down there or respond to

01:18:22.720 --> 01:18:28.960
it himself or curate it for me and Luke to respond to. So Dan's going to show you guys how the

01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:35.600
curated ones work. Sure. Get me Dan. Get me here from Drew. Hey, DLL. Do any of you or anyone at LMG

01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:40.400
have plans to attend NAB this year? I've been wanting to go since 2019, but I've finally managed

01:18:40.400 --> 01:18:47.440
to pull together the money to go this year. I think we are sending a contingent to NAB.

01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:51.920
One or two at the very least. We don't really cover the show. We've done it a couple of times,

01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:59.360
but the truth is it just plain doesn't perform on our channel. The overlap between camera geeks

01:18:59.360 --> 01:19:06.160
and tech geeks is there, but they, I don't know, they kind of, they kind of float in different

01:19:06.160 --> 01:19:10.720
orbits and we just don't find that it performs the way that, you know, we would need it to to

01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:16.480
justify the cost of attending a show like that as you pointed out so well. It's not free to go to

01:19:16.480 --> 01:19:21.680
NAB. We have had, we have had times when we've attended just to like see what's coming down the

01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:28.560
pipe, but. That sounds like a saying. It's not free to go to NAB. Yeah, I don't think it's going to

01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:34.800
catch on. No. I'm not planning to go, but I always like, you know, reading the news about what comes

01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:39.920
out of there. Have you been? I have never been to NAB. Yeah, me neither. There's often cool stuff,

01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:46.080
like there was, what's their nuts? I think like ASUS had a modular display there one year,

01:19:46.160 --> 01:19:50.560
and then I think, yeah, hey, what happened to that? We were supposed to like get our hands

01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.840
on it or something, and then that just never materialized. Maybe that didn't end up being a

01:19:53.840 --> 01:20:05.600
real product. All right. Next. Hey, LLDD. Have you thought about doing a WANathon, a 12-hour

01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:11.200
stream with guests and you all just playing video games? If I'd personally watch the VOD three times

01:20:11.200 --> 01:20:17.200
just to add to the views. No, I don't think I have ever thought about doing a WANathon.

01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:24.160
Don't do that. Don't actively sit there and watch WANSHOW three times, please.

01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:31.840
They can if they want. No. It's a free country. No. Go outside. They could do it outside. Okay,

01:20:32.320 --> 01:20:41.120
if you're going to do that, fair enough. Fair enough. My God. Oh, man. Imagine watching 12 hours

01:20:41.120 --> 01:20:48.400
of WANSHOW and for two-thirds of it having heard everything before. Man, I feel like the quality

01:20:48.400 --> 01:20:56.000
would really go down after the natural ending of WANSHOW because we don't have a hard end to WANSHOW.

01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:01.680
No. It just ends when we have somewhere to be or we run out of stuff to talk about that

01:21:02.080 --> 01:21:06.240
we feel is interesting enough. That's why sometimes it ends abruptly where I'm just like,

01:21:06.240 --> 01:21:11.440
all right, well, see you next week. Yeah, because sometimes the near the ending might actually

01:21:11.440 --> 01:21:15.040
feel like the highlight of the show, but once we're out of gas, we're pretty out of gas,

01:21:15.040 --> 01:21:22.160
so it's time to go. Yeah, and we'd legitimately have to really make certain people very angry

01:21:22.160 --> 01:21:27.920
and eat on the show if we're going for 12 hours. There's no way I could survive. I'm already hungry.

01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:33.360
Yeah. I've been exercising more again lately though, so I think that's a big part of why.

01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:38.800
That makes sense. And I've only eaten borscht for the last two days. Every once in a while,

01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:44.720
my aunt does like a giant batch of borscht and brings it over to my house with like a giant

01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:50.160
loaf of sourdough and then I just eat nothing but that for until it's gone. Oh, dude, I love

01:21:50.160 --> 01:21:57.600
me some borscht. Ukrainian style. Ukrainian style. I didn't know there was a difference,

01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:01.040
but I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure there's a difference. I'm pretty sure.

01:22:02.320 --> 01:22:06.880
Borscht. Borscht. There's always a batch of what, so I just repeated it. Borscht.

01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:15.120
Borscht. It's the world's most polarizing soup stew thing. Is it? People either love it or hate it.

01:22:15.120 --> 01:22:21.600
I don't think I've ever found someone who's kind of tepid on borscht. I mean, feel free to let me

01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:32.320
know, guys. Maybe the worst word in existence, or at least the ugliest yuck. It's the best.

01:22:32.320 --> 01:22:39.200
It's yum. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There you go. All right. What are we supposed to be

01:22:39.200 --> 01:22:46.320
talking about? Ah, yes. It can happen to anyone. Yeah. Okay. You're trying to spin this as a good

01:22:46.320 --> 01:22:52.400
thing. So why don't I get through the topic and then you can explain your indefensible position.

01:22:52.400 --> 01:22:54.400
You will agree with me. Have I,

01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:06.400
have I been pwned creator and Microsoft regional director Troy Hunt has been pwned. In a blog post

01:23:06.400 --> 01:23:12.000
earlier this week, Hunt revealed on Tuesday that he had fallen victim to a phishing attack in the

01:23:12.000 --> 01:23:18.640
form of a fake error email that purported to be from MailChimp that stole approximately 16,000

01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:25.920
records from his MailChimp mailing list, including the email addresses of both active and lapsed

01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:30.880
subscribers. He realized his mistake almost immediately, but before he could change his

01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:36.640
password, the automated attack had exported his mailing list and created new API key, which

01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:42.000
if it had gone unnoticed would have given the attacker persistent access to Hunt's MailChimp

01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:48.480
account. Hunt notes that MailChimp does not offer a phishing resistant to FA option and that the

01:23:48.480 --> 01:23:56.960
attack site simply relayed his one-time password as soon as he entered it. Jb Jordan Block adds,

01:23:56.960 --> 01:24:01.680
the entire blog post is an interesting read, though many of the concerns he has about MailChimp's

01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:08.560
data retention can probably be answered with because spam laws. Okay. That makes sense,

01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:15.600
that's interesting. Luke's take on this is that it's a good thing. Go. The phishing,

01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:22.160
the have I been pwned guy got phished. There's always, I mean, you've had multiple experiences

01:24:22.160 --> 01:24:29.280
with this. There's always when, when somebody gets pwned, when somebody gets pwned, there's always

01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:34.560
the like, oh, but like, he doesn't know that. I would have noticed or whatever. And it's like,

01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:38.320
yeah, you know, in this case, you might have, but you also don't know the exact scenario that the

01:24:38.320 --> 01:24:43.680
person was in. You don't know. What was he in the middle? Was he tired? I think it was. I read his

01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:47.200
blog post, but I read it earlier this week. He said something. I don't actually remember what it was,

01:24:47.200 --> 01:24:50.800
but like it to me, it's like the reason why I don't even remember is because it's not even like

01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:55.040
super particularly relevant because everybody's got their thing. Like most cases that I know of,

01:24:55.120 --> 01:25:00.640
and it's not ubiquitous, but most cases that I know of, when somebody does get phished or whatever,

01:25:00.640 --> 01:25:05.120
it's because they're, I don't know. They're checking their phone while they're being driven

01:25:05.120 --> 01:25:09.440
somewhere or they're having a conversation with someone. You were barbecuing. Like there's some

01:25:09.440 --> 01:25:13.600
amount of distraction. There's something going on. I was in the middle of like a bar, a family

01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:20.080
barbecue. You probably Troy, many other people, they're not, they get too many emails to be

01:25:20.080 --> 01:25:24.800
fully paying attention to every single one they ever receive and like pixel peeping every letter.

01:25:25.040 --> 01:25:29.680
Like it's, it's just not really going to happen. So I think this is a pretty good counter to the

01:25:29.680 --> 01:25:36.720
like, oh, but it wouldn't happen to me. It happened to Troy freaking hunt. So your argument is that

01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:42.720
it will help de-stigmatize getting pwned and making it so that we talk about it more,

01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:48.480
which will spread awareness of pondness. Yeah. And a lot of the comments that I've seen so far

01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:55.680
are actually like, oh, wow, it happened to him. Cool. Which I think is like a good takeaway from

01:25:55.680 --> 01:26:01.200
this is like, yeah, I mean, it happened to him and I wouldn't shame him for it. The stuff happens.

01:26:01.200 --> 01:26:05.760
And like we have, I mean, we have training now here and all this other kind of stuff.

01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:10.080
It's still possible that it could happen to us. Hopefully the training and whatnot will reduce

01:26:10.080 --> 01:26:14.160
the amount of times that it happens by making people more aware, but you're never going to be

01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:19.520
100% on the ball all the time. Now, if someone here fails, they're, they're

01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:25.440
training like multiple times or they make mistakes multiple times and it's the same person,

01:26:25.440 --> 01:26:29.280
then that starts to be like, okay, like you need to take this more seriously.

01:26:30.160 --> 01:26:34.160
Because we're going to send out like fishing tests again, we did one, we're going to do more in the

01:26:34.160 --> 01:26:39.760
future. And if the same person keeps coming up, that's a red flag. But if you make like one mistake,

01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:44.800
ideally it's on one of the tests and then you don't make a mistake again and then we're golden.

01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:52.000
But yeah, I don't know. I was so ready. I was so ready. I wasn't even going to say it,

01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:57.360
then I saw your hand cue up for it and I was like, I'm in. I'm totally in. Dive for the content.

01:26:59.120 --> 01:27:02.960
Yeah. So ultimately, I mean, it wasn't a good thing that those people's emails linked. It wasn't

01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:08.080
like those things are good. That sucks. Of course, but it like looking at how many times this stuff

01:27:08.080 --> 01:27:14.240
happens, the chance of those people's emails, uh, leaking, um, I mean, somewhere they could lose a

01:27:14.240 --> 01:27:20.160
lot more than just their emails. 23 and me has filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. 23 and

01:27:20.160 --> 01:27:27.040
me holding co is attempting to facilitate a sale by filing for chapter 11. The company was briefly

01:27:27.040 --> 01:27:35.200
valued at $6 billion in 2021, but has more recently been valued at 50 million after

01:27:35.280 --> 01:27:41.440
failing to turn a profit after all this time. Co-founder and CEO and Wachicki.

01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:48.480
Wachicki? I've never heard it pronounced like that. I always heard it Wachicki when it was

01:27:49.360 --> 01:27:54.960
YouTube. Is it the same spelling? No, they're sisters or worse sisters. RIP Susan.

01:27:57.280 --> 01:28:02.640
Ann announced her immediate resignation and is making an independent bid for the company.

01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:07.200
The company intends to keep operating through bankruptcy proceedings and says that customer

01:28:07.200 --> 01:28:18.080
access to data and subscriptions won't be affected. But will it though? Won't it though? Yeah, but won't

01:28:18.080 --> 01:28:32.160
it though? Man, I am so freaking not happy about being right that entrusting your genetic information

01:28:32.160 --> 01:28:39.600
to some Silicon Valley startup is not going to work out and I freaking called it. Hard to.

01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:46.800
I've got a lot of pushback. I'm still extremely upset with a relative of mine for selling me and

01:28:47.440 --> 01:28:53.040
the rest of our entire family from now until forever down the river for what out of idle

01:28:53.040 --> 01:29:00.720
curiosity that it's such a stupid f**king reason to do that. I don't blame anyone who didn't know,

01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:07.920
but in this case, I explicitly laid out why it's a terrible, terrible idea and was ignored.

01:29:09.360 --> 01:29:16.240
That's different. The Verge has a great guide on how to delete your 23andMe data, so I would

01:29:16.240 --> 01:29:21.440
recommend you guys check that out. And our discussion question here is if you were the

01:29:21.440 --> 01:29:29.120
new owners of 23andMe, what would you do to become profitable? And I think that's the,

01:29:29.120 --> 01:29:35.360
that's, I guess I kind of jumped to the end of that conversation when I said, hey, all this data

01:29:35.360 --> 01:29:40.880
is effectively just, it's out there now. Because the first thing that I would do if I was trying to

01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:48.560
make 23andMe profitable and I was unscrupulous is I just sell the data, sell it to the highest bidder,

01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:55.360
give access to insurance companies, give access to, I mean, yeah, insurance companies are the ones

01:29:55.360 --> 01:29:59.520
that would probably be most interested in it. Because a lot of this information is useful for

01:30:00.240 --> 01:30:05.760
the entire family. And I've heard, dude, I've heard a, I've heard a ton of Americans in our chat

01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:11.520
being like, they're not allowed to, they're not allowed to use that for coverages. Dude,

01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:16.640
insurance companies are already using information that they're like not allowed to use when it

01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:22.880
comes to evaluating how much to charge you for things. Like, it's just a matter of when and

01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:28.080
how they're going to be busted and whether your watchdogs are going to have any kind of

01:30:28.080 --> 01:30:36.080
teeth to fight back when it happens, which right now is not looking good, quite frankly. So, yeah,

01:30:36.080 --> 01:30:44.400
this blows, this absolutely blows. And to be clear, I don't care that 23andMe is going under.

01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:54.480
I just think this really sucks for the families of people who gave data to this company and are now

01:30:55.360 --> 01:30:58.640
able to be exploited. It sucks.

01:31:00.400 --> 01:31:04.400
Yeah, this is interesting. GM wasn't allowed to show your driving data, but did without consent to

01:31:04.400 --> 01:31:07.840
your actual insurance provider. And that data is permanently housed in third-party databases

01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:12.080
that all insurance companies have access to. There's precedent for this stuff.

01:31:12.080 --> 01:31:19.200
Yeah, oh, 100%. If you disagree with me, you're actually wrong. So, cool. Yeah.

01:31:19.200 --> 01:31:24.160
Enjoy being wrong, though. I mean, some people like it. Some people like it a lot.

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Alright, so I didn't expect this, but Buildzoid uploaded an apology video last week,

01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:17.680
and I was very surprised. Basically, what he said is, hey, I wasn't wrong in my criticism of

01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:25.920
the way that Linus Tech Tips presented their information about the combining of the 12-volt

01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:34.000
pins on the non-Founders Edition 5090s, but what was wrong and not cool was just the aggressive tone

01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:40.320
it was unnecessary, it was uncalled for, and I want to be better. And I guess here's what I have to

01:36:40.320 --> 01:36:48.240
say, maybe the original video was clout-chasey. If it was, I don't care. Because nothing is

01:36:48.240 --> 01:36:57.600
irredeemable and a simple apology and retraction is all I have ever asked of anyone. In that spirit,

01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:02.960
then, I could have brought my concerns to Buildzoid directly as well, rather than talking about it on

01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:09.520
WENSHOW. I could have made my case that it felt like a bad faith move for him to criticize in

01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:15.280
public before reaching out. I could have said that, I didn't. And I'm sorry for that as well.

01:37:15.280 --> 01:37:23.600
I think we can all do better. And I don't know, I guess for my part, I'm feeling just so done

01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:28.640
with this whole thing where I get shots taken at me and I get held to the standard of perfection

01:37:28.640 --> 01:37:35.280
in public that I never set for myself, that I never set for anyone else. But my baggage here is not

01:37:35.280 --> 01:37:42.480
his fault. That's not his problem. And I got to say, his refreshing willingness to take responsibility

01:37:42.480 --> 01:37:46.080
for his demeanor when his critique- It was deep and extensive.

01:37:46.080 --> 01:37:48.640
When his critique wasn't wrong, right? Yeah.

01:37:49.440 --> 01:37:57.280
But still taking accountability for just being kind of a d*** about it, though, has restored

01:37:57.280 --> 01:38:02.480
some of my faith in the ability of the technology to work together. I was thinking of his critique not being wrong. I was happy that in the video,

01:38:02.480 --> 01:38:07.040
he pointed out that he wasn't going to not critique in the future. Yeah, sure. Which is like, cool. Yeah.

01:38:07.040 --> 01:38:14.720
That's fine. We don't want to be wrong. Yeah. So like, yeah, I would rather you correct it so that we're not wrong.

01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:20.400
I would like to update things so that we're not wrong. Yeah, we want to continue to be less wrong as time goes on.

01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:24.480
Everyone should want to be like, that's the whole idea with scientific things, right?

01:38:24.480 --> 01:38:28.400
Is that other people look at it and question it and come back at you?

01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:34.000
So like, we do want that. That is good. And like, yeah, I don't know. I'll leave it there.

01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:38.320
Yeah. So as far as I'm concerned, water 100% under the bridge.

01:38:38.320 --> 01:38:41.440
Yeah. I'd love to have opportunities to work together in the future.

01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:47.840
And, you know, everyone who speculated under his video that it had anything to do with us

01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:52.080
sending any kind of legal threat or anything like that. No, not at all. You can go f*** yourself because...

01:38:52.080 --> 01:38:58.240
I don't think we had any direct communication. No, of course not. Yeah. I don't know, dude. I'm so tired of people making assumptions about us.

01:38:58.320 --> 01:39:02.960
What if someone was kind of a d*** and realized they were kind of a d*** and they shouldn't?

01:39:05.280 --> 01:39:09.760
And then they apologized. It was really cool. And then what if the person that they were kind of a d*** to

01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:15.760
realized that they were kind of a d*** too and was like, hey, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that.

01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:20.240
And then what if they found a way to like work together and that was just cool for everyone?

01:39:20.240 --> 01:39:25.840
Beast, beast, beast. Yeah. What if it was just, what if the world was just actually that simple

01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:28.720
and actually that healthy? What? No.

01:39:29.360 --> 01:39:35.760
I know. Not allowed. I know. Anyway, so I thought I was like blown away.

01:39:37.440 --> 01:39:43.920
I braced so hard. So hard. You didn't message me at all. You just...

01:39:45.440 --> 01:39:50.320
Google shared me on a doc. It's like something, something, apology.

01:39:51.040 --> 01:39:53.680
And I was like, oh, no.

01:39:56.080 --> 01:39:59.120
I'm ready to go and then I open it.

01:39:59.120 --> 01:40:02.480
I'm like, oh. Yeah. It's chill. Oh, okay. Yeah. Everything's chill.

01:40:02.480 --> 01:40:05.840
Yeah. Cool. We don't have to collab.

01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:11.600
And just to clarify, not only did I not threaten any kind of legal action to build Zoid,

01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:16.400
I have made it very clear many times in the past.

01:40:16.400 --> 01:40:21.120
I am not a litigious person and I have never sued anybody.

01:40:21.120 --> 01:40:25.200
Yeah. So we weren't, we weren't going to do that in the first place. Yeah. Cause that's like, because it's...

01:40:25.200 --> 01:40:28.800
Obviously the wrong move. Stupid. Yeah. It's like actually stupid.

01:40:30.480 --> 01:40:34.560
I think even, even on like a strictly like corporate hat on sense,

01:40:35.120 --> 01:40:40.560
and I'm going to back you up on this a little bit. I think this ties into the whole backpacks thing a little bit,

01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:44.560
like not taking care of people if they had backpack problems

01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:48.160
would have just had the community turn on us immediately. Well, yeah, of course.

01:40:48.160 --> 01:40:53.040
And go, like going after, so for something like this legally,

01:40:53.040 --> 01:40:56.080
everyone would just hate us immediately. Yeah. Because yeah.

01:40:56.080 --> 01:40:58.720
Well, they hate us for doing it even though we didn't do it. Yeah.

01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:03.520
How dare you do this thing that I made up that you did?

01:41:04.480 --> 01:41:10.800
What are you even talking about? I don't, I don't actually think a lot of people know why they hate me.

01:41:11.440 --> 01:41:16.080
It's, it's far to something to do. I guess. Cut down the tall stock or whatever that.

01:41:16.080 --> 01:41:18.960
Weird hobby, dude. That's a weird hobby.

01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:25.360
Something to do. Dan laughs like you haven't heard of some hobbies.

01:41:27.040 --> 01:41:30.720
Oh, I was laughing at your cutting down the tall stock. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:33.360
Oh, wait. That's a good reason to hate Linus.

01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:40.560
I thought that's what you said. That's what I was like. That is what I said, but I didn't mean it as like his actual height.

01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:45.760
Speaking of d***s. I was also talking about the clothes too.

01:41:48.080 --> 01:41:51.200
You went there. Oh my God. I thought you did.

01:41:51.200 --> 01:41:56.560
No. It's my bad. That's really mean. He's very sensitive about his immunity status.

01:42:00.320 --> 01:42:01.760
Why don't we talk about it?

01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:08.640
Why don't we talk about some AI things this week? I wasn't even talking about the clothes either.

01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:13.040
I was, oh man, whatever. It's fine.

01:42:13.040 --> 01:42:14.240
See, fun hobby.

01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:22.720
Oh, yeah. Let's talk about some AI things this week.

01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:25.600
NVIDIA is rolling out Project Geassist.

01:42:26.480 --> 01:42:29.600
It's AI assistant that can run locally on your GPU.

01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:33.760
And it was apparently named after the company's fake AI assistant

01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:37.360
from their April Fool's joke in 2017.

01:42:37.360 --> 01:42:42.640
I remember that. Oh, yeah. I still have one of these because I thought these were so cool.

01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:47.040
These were really cool actually. Yeah, the little USB, the little USB drive.

01:42:47.040 --> 01:42:49.440
This video is great. Yeah, this was awesome.

01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:54.560
That's super cool. A lot of their April Fool's jokes have been, this isn't one, I don't think,

01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:57.360
but a lot of their April Fool's jokes have actually been fantastic.

01:42:58.160 --> 01:43:03.200
Running locally on your NVIDIA GPU, Geassist can do normal AI stuff like answer questions,

01:43:03.200 --> 01:43:07.600
but it can also control some third-party accessories through API integrations

01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:12.320
and change some performance-related settings instead of just telling you how to do that.

01:43:12.320 --> 01:43:16.720
That means that somehow NVIDIA made a more useful AI assistant for Windows than Microsoft.

01:43:16.720 --> 01:43:22.480
Wow. Good job. If only you could afford a GPU that used it.

01:43:22.480 --> 01:43:28.080
In other AI news that's actually worth mentioning, character.ai has announced a parental controls feature

01:43:28.080 --> 01:43:30.480
in the wake of a 14-year-old user.

01:43:35.040 --> 01:43:41.920
Wow. Unaliving themself after being encouraged to do so

01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:44.080
by one of the company's bots.

01:43:45.120 --> 01:43:50.000
That's another one. In addition, shortly after this incident,

01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:54.480
multiple bots impersonating the deceased 14-year-old

01:43:54.480 --> 01:43:56.720
had to be taken off the platform.

01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:03.040
Is this, did the incident happen a while ago,

01:44:03.040 --> 01:44:06.240
or is this new? Because I know this happened a while ago.

01:44:06.240 --> 01:44:10.240
No, in the wake of. I don't know if this is new. It's okay, so this is hopefully not new.

01:44:10.240 --> 01:44:13.840
I didn't look. The new feature is called parental insights

01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:17.520
and lets users under 18 send a weekly activity report

01:44:17.520 --> 01:44:21.920
to their parent or guardian. If they want to, they're never going to.

01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:26.240
Kids can enable the report in their account preferences which we'll share.

01:44:26.240 --> 01:44:30.720
You know how that works. Their daily average time spent on the platform, the top characters they interacted with,

01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:32.960
and the amount of time they spent with each character.

01:44:34.160 --> 01:44:38.720
Character.ai says this is a first step in providing parents with information about their kids' use of the server.

01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:42.560
Why wouldn't you just take- Start with putting the parental controls

01:44:42.640 --> 01:44:46.160
on the parent's side. That's the first step.

01:44:47.280 --> 01:44:52.080
That's stupid. Yeah, like if you're the kind of kid that's like voluntarily being like,

01:44:52.080 --> 01:44:58.320
yes, I would like to send a usage report to my parents. That's not the kind that we need this for.

01:45:04.160 --> 01:45:10.800
My goodness. Okay, in other news, Nintendo.

01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:16.000
This is cool adds family sharing to switch digital libraries.

01:45:17.200 --> 01:45:22.080
In an uncommon W consumer friendly move by Big Red,

01:45:22.080 --> 01:45:25.440
Nintendo is allowing players to more easily share games

01:45:25.440 --> 01:45:29.120
across multiple systems that are logged into the same

01:45:29.120 --> 01:45:34.480
Nintendo account with a virtual game card that can be ejected and then loaded.

01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:40.560
Game cards, whoa, can also be lent to different accounts

01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:46.080
in the same Nintendo family group. In order to lend a virtual game card,

01:45:46.080 --> 01:45:51.520
both consoles need to be connected to the same network and internet during the sharing process

01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:56.400
and the lendy to the internet for the initial game launch.

01:45:56.400 --> 01:46:00.720
Wait, what? What? And the- So the first time they load the game.

01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:04.720
Oh, has to be connected to the internet for the initial game launch.

01:46:04.720 --> 01:46:08.080
After that, the borrowed license will last for 14 days

01:46:08.080 --> 01:46:11.440
without requiring internet access. And then I wouldn't be surprised if you could do it again.

01:46:12.240 --> 01:46:15.840
That is so- I think what they're saying is you could use it mobily for 14 days,

01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:18.400
so you could be on other networks for 14 days. That is so cool.

01:46:19.040 --> 01:46:22.720
That's actually like pretty sick. So when I chat, I said thanks, Gaben, and honestly,

01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:26.320
sometimes I like to dunk on Steam because people are like too nice to Steam sometimes,

01:46:26.320 --> 01:46:32.160
but I think that's fair. I think this is going to put a ton of pressure on Microsoft and Sony too.

01:46:32.160 --> 01:46:36.160
Yeah. Like that's been a huge thing. I mean, we made a whole video about it earlier.

01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:40.880
Last year, where we talked about digital versus physical games

01:46:40.880 --> 01:46:45.120
and the whole resale and lending, being a huge plus for physical games.

01:46:45.120 --> 01:46:50.240
But this changes the calculus quite a lot because most people,

01:46:50.240 --> 01:46:54.400
I mean, you're still not able to sell them, so there's still room to improve.

01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:58.800
But most people that I would lend a game to

01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:01.360
are people that I could pretty easily be on the same Wi-Fi as.

01:47:02.640 --> 01:47:06.000
That's super cool. This seems like it'd be pretty easy to fake.

01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:12.480
Just saying. Yeah. Like trivially easy to pretend to be on the same network.

01:47:12.480 --> 01:47:15.680
But you're right. But yeah, most people won't. Very cool.

01:47:16.400 --> 01:47:21.360
Do you think that this is less to do with Valve and more to do with Nintendo recognizing

01:47:21.360 --> 01:47:23.840
that they have real competition in the handheld space now?

01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:30.400
Including Valve. Because remember that, but also including piracy of their own games.

01:47:31.120 --> 01:47:36.160
Mmm. Because remember, one of the biggest deterrents for pirates

01:47:36.160 --> 01:47:39.680
is making legitimate ownership better. Yes, you're in better. Yeah.

01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:44.480
That's why movie piracy is coming back. Our discussion question here is,

01:47:44.480 --> 01:47:48.400
have you ever had a hard time getting a digital game to work on a secondary switch?

01:47:48.400 --> 01:47:52.800
I have while traveling. The plane ride sucked. F you passed Nintendo and thank you current Nintendo.

01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:55.360
Okay, who did this topic? I don't even know who wrote that. I don't know what that means.

01:47:56.160 --> 01:47:59.520
I also don't know what that means. The digital game worked on a secondary switch.

01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:02.560
Yeah, they couldn't get it working on their secondary switch.

01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:06.000
I didn't know that was a thing at all. I only have one switch, so I didn't either.

01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:08.640
Yeah. But apparently it is. Okay.

01:48:09.680 --> 01:48:12.720
Canada is freezing rebates being paid to Tesla

01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:15.840
and barring them from any future rebate programs.

01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:19.760
Yeah. This is after Tesla filed an unbelievable

01:48:19.760 --> 01:48:24.880
number of EV rebate claims, including almost $20 million Canadian

01:48:24.880 --> 01:48:29.920
from over 4,000 auto sales at one Quebec City dealer

01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:34.240
in a single weekend. I actually, I saw an article about this

01:48:34.240 --> 01:48:37.760
where someone did the math for like how many cars they would have had to sell.

01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:40.800
It was like a certain amount of cars per minute. Yeah, it was like every two minutes

01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:44.000
they would have had to sell a car. And there's like just no way that happened.

01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:50.880
Yeah, ridiculous. So the Canadian federal government has frozen

01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:53.520
43 million Canadian dollars in rebate payments.

01:48:54.880 --> 01:48:59.920
Until each claim is individually investigated and determined to be valid.

01:49:00.480 --> 01:49:04.240
Transport Canada has also been directed to change the eligibility requirements

01:49:04.240 --> 01:49:08.720
for future rebate programs to ensure that Teslas no longer qualify

01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:12.240
while the illegitimate and illegal U.S. tariffs are imposed against Canada.

01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:18.320
Fascinating. Oh man, it's, we are, we are headed for very interesting times.

01:49:18.320 --> 01:49:20.160
Isn't it so cool being in a trade war?

01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:24.560
No. I love it.

01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:30.960
I mean. Other things that I love include YouTube tests turning off channel notifications

01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:32.160
for overwhelmed users.

01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:38.160
YouTube says it's running a small experiment in which it turns off notifications

01:49:38.160 --> 01:49:42.960
to certain channels of users subscribed to. The company says the test will impact viewers

01:49:42.960 --> 01:49:46.320
who are subscribed to a channel and have set notifications for that channel

01:49:46.320 --> 01:49:49.920
to all yet haven't recently interacted with those notifications.

01:49:49.920 --> 01:49:54.560
Actively engage users with push notifications enabled will continue to receive them.

01:49:54.560 --> 01:49:58.640
YouTube wants to prevent users from turning off all notifications

01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:03.200
from the YouTube app entirely, which may, which they may often do

01:50:03.200 --> 01:50:07.360
when they've opted to receive all notifications from many channels.

01:50:07.360 --> 01:50:10.560
YouTube would prefer users to update their channel specific preferences

01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:13.760
in the app instead, but they were never going to do that.

01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:17.200
So here we are. YouTube says channels that upload infrequently

01:50:17.200 --> 01:50:21.440
will not have their notifications affected, although it didn't specify what qualifies

01:50:21.440 --> 01:50:25.840
as infrequently. YouTube is, of course, interested in taking measures

01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:29.120
that will encourage user engagement, but it also says that users choosing

01:50:29.120 --> 01:50:33.280
to disable notifications entirely can negatively impact creators.

01:50:34.320 --> 01:50:38.400
Discussion question is, where do you draw the line in terms of the actions platforms

01:50:38.400 --> 01:50:42.560
can take to protect their metrics? Does disabling notifications for specific channels

01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:46.960
count as a platform change or interfering with user autonomy?

01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:50.160
What user autonomy? I mean, YouTube's been fully algorithmic

01:50:50.160 --> 01:50:53.440
for years and years and years at this point. So long. I honestly thought they already did this.

01:50:53.440 --> 01:50:57.440
Yeah, I was surprised to read that this was news.

01:50:57.440 --> 01:51:01.440
So I guess that's all I really have to say about that. Why don't we flip over to After Dark?

01:51:01.440 --> 01:51:06.160
Yeah. It does annoy me a little bit because I wonder how they measure this.

01:51:06.160 --> 01:51:09.360
Because I... You know what annoys me? The fact that I have land gaming to do

01:51:09.360 --> 01:51:12.880
and you're dragging out this last topic. One small additional thing to say.

01:51:12.880 --> 01:51:16.080
I don't really like watching YouTube on my phone,

01:51:16.080 --> 01:51:18.080
so I'll sometimes use it as a notification engine,

01:51:19.120 --> 01:51:22.000
but I'll swipe it away and then go watch that video later on my desktop.

01:51:22.160 --> 01:51:25.280
Interesting. Fascinating. Okay, now it's time for After Dark.

01:51:32.400 --> 01:51:37.440
Hey Linus, a while ago I got a survey due to an LTT purchase on when you said

01:51:37.440 --> 01:51:41.520
you disagree with it fundamentally, but you are acquiescing to the team.

01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:44.960
Do you have any outcomes or thoughts about any of this?

01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:48.720
Yeah, so the part that I fundamentally disagreed with was how much we paid for it.

01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:53.120
It was really expensive. Yeah.

01:51:53.120 --> 01:51:56.160
I don't remember the exact amount, but it was with like a fancy...

01:51:57.040 --> 01:52:00.160
Do you want to just tell them? No. Oh, okay.

01:52:01.120 --> 01:52:04.240
Yeah, go away. We're not always transparent. What now?

01:52:04.240 --> 01:52:07.600
I'm curious. Fight me. You don't know it?

01:52:07.600 --> 01:52:11.040
Yeah, I don't remember. Yeah, you can't get out of me. Nice try.

01:52:11.040 --> 01:52:14.800
What a weird thing to get aggressive about. It was so much.

01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:19.120
Yeah, it was a lot of money. It was definitely more than $10,000.

01:52:19.120 --> 01:52:22.960
I don't remember how much it was.

01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:24.320
Yeah. Okay, well...

01:52:26.160 --> 01:52:29.520
The point is that I felt a lot of the things

01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:31.920
that we were asking were things that were

01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:37.520
fairly easily ascertainable by just looking at

01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:44.080
past sales data and looking at customer profile data

01:52:44.080 --> 01:52:46.800
that we kind of have from just our YouTube viewers.

01:52:47.360 --> 01:52:52.400
However, the argument that was made to me was that our YouTube demographics are not necessarily identical

01:52:52.400 --> 01:52:57.360
to our Creator Warehouse demographics, and that if we ever want to have any hope of growing

01:52:57.360 --> 01:52:59.840
beyond our current customer base,

01:53:00.400 --> 01:53:04.800
we should work to understand things about them

01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:10.720
other than that they watch LTT. And so I basically said, okay,

01:53:12.480 --> 01:53:15.120
maybe there's something useful that we obtained from it.

01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:21.360
I think that at some point in that conversation, I basically said, okay, well, yeah, I'll write the check,

01:53:21.360 --> 01:53:25.280
but I would like us to define what success for this is,

01:53:25.280 --> 01:53:29.760
and I'd like to see if it was successful. I don't know if I ever...

01:53:30.400 --> 01:53:32.800
I don't know. It's possible I saw that.

01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:39.040
I don't remember seeing it. So maybe it was good, and maybe it was stupid.

01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:44.000
ScrappyDP says,

01:53:44.000 --> 01:53:47.200
you don't get to make those decisions anymore. You are right.

01:53:47.200 --> 01:53:51.600
I mean, I do get to make decisions about which checks I sign. I actually do get to make decisions about that.

01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:56.400
Yeah, in that case, that is a yes. Yeah, even at the very highest level,

01:53:56.400 --> 01:54:05.200
and I'm talking Taryn and me, we have checks and balances for how much you can spend

01:54:05.200 --> 01:54:09.280
without talking to somebody. Talking to somebody, right?

01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:13.920
Like the only person in the company who could spend a literally unlimited amount of money

01:54:13.920 --> 01:54:17.360
without talking to someone is Yvonne, and she wouldn't.

01:54:17.920 --> 01:54:24.000
She's so cheap. I don't mean cheap in like her last name kind of way.

01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:24.560
I mean like...

01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:32.960
I don't. I mean like she's frugal.

01:54:35.600 --> 01:54:37.600
Dan, quick, change the subject. Yeah.

01:54:38.640 --> 01:54:44.560
Okay, yeah, sure. Hi, DLO. How do you go about weighing cost of new systems

01:54:44.560 --> 01:54:49.520
versus the benefits? We have the opportunity to use a fantastic progressive new tool,

01:54:49.520 --> 01:54:52.800
but there's pressure to save money and use a subpar tool.

01:54:54.880 --> 01:54:59.360
Sometimes it can make sense. Oh, man, there's a lot of intangibles though.

01:54:59.360 --> 01:55:03.680
Yeah, I mean it was asked to all of us. Okay, what I would say is sometimes it can make sense

01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:06.720
to use the cheaper tool, but something you have to measure is like

01:55:08.400 --> 01:55:12.160
what loss is there? What other loss is there from using the cheaper tool?

01:55:12.160 --> 01:55:16.640
Because sometimes it's not worth it. And losses are not always measurable. Like they're not always in terms of money.

01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:26.080
Like you can have someone using an old 5x4, 1280x1024 LCD,

01:55:26.080 --> 01:55:30.160
and they could probably do their job, but are they going to like jump at the next opportunity

01:55:30.160 --> 01:55:34.160
to move somewhere else? Maybe it's like worth it to just give them an ultrawide.

01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:39.680
Right? Like that's such a simple example, but there's so many things that are like that.

01:55:42.400 --> 01:55:46.720
I think a lot of the time the best way to answer it is through talking to people.

01:55:47.280 --> 01:55:50.560
Like if Creator Warehouse came to me and said,

01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:53.280
you know, hey, we really want a lathe.

01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:58.320
Okay, I'd be like, okay, a lathe is this many dollars.

01:55:58.320 --> 01:56:01.360
If I told you you can only have this many dollars,

01:56:01.360 --> 01:56:05.680
would you still spend it on a lathe? I can afford this many dollars.

01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:10.080
Sure. So that's not the conversation. Is there anything else you'd rather have

01:56:10.080 --> 01:56:13.680
and that would impact your productivity and your happiness more?

01:56:14.240 --> 01:56:17.760
You know, tell me about that. Tell me about the pros and cons

01:56:17.760 --> 01:56:21.120
so we can make a decision together. I mean, collaboration and communication

01:56:21.120 --> 01:56:24.160
is almost always the answer.

01:56:24.160 --> 01:56:30.960
It's just that humans, in spite of our brains being evolutionarily advantaged for those things,

01:56:30.960 --> 01:56:34.720
still kind of suck at it. Sometimes you just want to do the lizard thing.

01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:39.760
Yeah, lizard brain, let's go. Yeah, but I mean like you said communication and collaboration.

01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:43.040
Air table is a decent example. It's not the cheapest option. Sure.

01:56:43.040 --> 01:56:46.400
But we're trying to go for it because we think it'll be a very significant improvement.

01:56:46.400 --> 01:56:51.920
I think it will, the amount per user that we're paying, I think will be easily covered in the like time

01:56:51.920 --> 01:56:55.120
and issue savings that we'll have from running it. So at that point it's like.

01:56:56.080 --> 01:57:01.280
Whereas the same company might have made a different decision 10 years prior.

01:57:01.280 --> 01:57:04.720
10 years prior I would have said I don't have time to figure this air table thing out.

01:57:04.720 --> 01:57:09.280
The very cost. There was no way we would have done it. The very cost of figuring out how to use it

01:57:09.280 --> 01:57:12.480
would not even be worth it, let alone the ongoing cost of running it,

01:57:12.480 --> 01:57:15.520
use a Google Sheet. Especially at the scale that we were at. Yeah.

01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:20.720
Like we didn't have the same type of problems. Well, yeah, but to a much smaller degree.

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Crystal says you technically can make those decisions.

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I technically can't back to the approval limits.

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I literally don't even know where the checkbook is.

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I would have to talk to someone to know where it is. It's not that I couldn't,

01:57:37.680 --> 01:57:42.960
it's not that I couldn't have a conversation with Yvonne and go, hey, I need to be able to spend money

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in a moment's notice without you knowing anything about it.

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I don't think that would like, I think she'd be like, why? And that would be, I wouldn't have a good reason for that.

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Especially with the precedent of that never being required. Yeah, yeah.

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But no, I literally cannot spend unlimited amounts of money

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without any, without anybody else knowing about it.

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All right. Okay, next.

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With the current turbulent quotes economy, what do you think of hardware startups doing crowdfunding

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instead of seeking traditional venture capitalist investment?

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For example, crowdfunding a prosumer version of your product?

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I think that it's, I mean, it's the same trade-offs

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that crowdfunding has always brought, right? You are essentially asking for like venture capital

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and you're not giving up any equity. So, you know, from a company standpoint,

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I totally understand why you want to do that.

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You'd want to do that every time. But from an investor standpoint,

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and I use that term extremely loosely because you will not get a return.

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You have not made an investment. There is basically no advantage.

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You are extremely disadvantaged and you will,

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you know, maybe get something that is really great.

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I'm trying to think of like a Kickstarter that turned out great.

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Like, okay, I and Neo did some cool kick starters like way back in the day, or maybe you will get something

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that is like kind of what you thought it would be,

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but ultimately disappoints like a Jibo.

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Or maybe you will get nothing like Luke's Cole Hammer.

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You have no way of knowing. So, what do I think about it? I think you shouldn't buy that,

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but I totally understand why companies are into it, right?

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Oh, are you asking like if we would do that?

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EG, crowdfunding a prosumer version of your product.

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I could see us crowdfunding something at some point,

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but we wouldn't do it on anything where we don't have an extremely high degree of confidence

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that we can bring it to market. And we also are also just like funded

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by our daily operations and cash flow.

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So, at the end of the day, if it like didn't work out

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with the money that we raised through crowdfunding, we would just push it over the line.

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So, I just don't, I don't know.

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I'm not gonna say never, but especially given the way

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that I've advocated against pre-ordering, I don't see how we could really like

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a prosumer version of our product. Like if it was a variant, I don't know.

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Yeah, like I could see us crowdfunding like a version of a backpack.

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I was gonna say Luxe backpack. Yeah, yeah. Okay, there are things where I could see it making sense

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where there's just- Would it be crowdfunding though, or would it be like pre-sale almost?

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Yeah. But that's what a lot of crowdfunding campaigns are, right?

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Is there essentially just gauging interest

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so you produce the right number of them so you don't overstock or understock, right?

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Maybe NVIDIA should crowdfund their GPUs.

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So, they produce enough of them. Just an idea.

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Scam. All right, let's see.

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What else? What's your advice to balance a time-consuming

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or demanding job, but not sacrificing time for family or yourself on a daily basis?

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Set boundaries for your job. That's the only answer.

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You know, try to waste less time commuting.

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It's really important to me. I commuted like almost two hours each way

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when I was in school. And then I commuted like 45 minutes each way

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when I worked at NCIX for the first little while. And then I think it was down to like 35

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once I moved in with Yvonne. But it was too much.

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I'm quite a bit less than that now. Still feels like too much.

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And as much as it's a huge decision to like move,

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if you're really secure in your workplace, I would say that's one way to gain back time every day

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is to spend less time commuting. You might also be able to talk about like hybrid work.

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Like maybe you can work from home partially. That's another way to cut down on your commute.

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Other than that, yeah, that's about it.

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You're just going to have to set boundaries. And you're going to have to recognize

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that setting boundaries may have consequences

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that you aren't happy with. Like depending on your workplace,

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you may get passed up for a promotion for someone who just like puts in 12 hours a day.

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And you may kind of go, well, like I can't do that.

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And your boss might not care.

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And that just might be what happens. And I'm not saying that's right.

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I'm not saying it should be like that. I'm not saying that that's fair.

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But it is. So yeah.

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Yeah, when looking at places to live, I don't know, especially around here,

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having some pretty fat commutes to be able to get cool places

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is very attractive until you like break down. Like, okay, that's how many hours a week am I driving?

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How many hours is that a month? How many hours is that a year?

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Once I've lived here for five years. How many hours in my life to drive my car?

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Dang. Yeah.

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Hey, Narcissist doesn't know and Dan, love your stuff and your tech video side projects.

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What's the difference between the blank and Labs blank t-shirt?

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I can't figure it out from the product pages. One of them is a shirt.

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And one of them is a shirt that we have to sell enough of

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to register our trademark.

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Did we? Nice. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a good shirt.

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Just, it just says Labs in the back.

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Like literally it's not even visible on the outside of the shirt. Totally blank.

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I get such a kick out of it. I saw another one of these recently when people are like,

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yeah, I would love to buy your merch, but I just don't, you know, I don't like really prominent branding on stuff.

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And I'm like, what the f*** are you talking about? Like, what even is this?

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What are you talking about? Well, this one has circle on the back.

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Barely. No, it's a lot. Oh, never mind. That's not okay.

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No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, we don't do logos. This was unfortunately a very bad example.

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Ignore that. Ignore that. Okay, fine. How about the one I'm wearing then?

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Yeah, there's just a little tiny logo there. And honestly, most of the shirts that I wear

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doesn't even happen in the back. Practically nothing. And I mean, we also sell blanks and have for like a long time.

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I saw someone complain. Not tall ones. I saw someone complain that the commuter bag ignored.

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Oh yeah. Like was branded. What are you talking about?

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You literally couldn't find a bag on earth that has more subtle branding than our commuter backpack.

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Get real. All right. Hi, three wise guys.

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What's the deal with the RGB shirts? I'm an autistic person and they are the one of the few shirts

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that I can consistently wear all the time. I need more. They're getting threadbare.

02:05:12.640 --> 02:05:16.480
I don't know. You might want to forward this one to the CW team and maybe they can get an answer.

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I cannot. My tall shirts are getting threadbare.

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They're not. They're actually not. Oh, you can't do that? They've not checked the box.

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So I will do it manually. Oh, okay.

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All right. Linus, would you think of selling your precision bits

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individually instead of as sets? I broke one in a needle replacement.

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Yes. We've wanted to do individual bits

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ever since we launched the original screwdriver.

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The logistics of maintaining accuracy with little bits,

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like little bits, is really hard.

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And we haven't gotten there yet. We've just had so much more pressing fish to fry.

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I really, really, really want to do it. In the meantime, reach out to customer service

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and maybe they can arrange something one off for you. But I'm not promising anything.

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All right, Linus, I was wondering if you have any background experience with the program?

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Nope. Nothing? Nope. What if you had time?

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Well, here's the thing. Time equals money.

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I have money. So therefore, I do have time.

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But that's other people's time. So if I needed something programmed, what would I do?

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I don't have literal time, like this kind, but I can buy time.

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I remember having this conversation with a buddy of mine

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who runs another badminton center in the Lower Mainland, like years ago, and he was giving me a hard time

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about spending way too much on something. And he's like, and I'm like, look,

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money, yes, time, no. So that's why I made the decision I made.

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What the thing? Dude, he says that to me like every f***ing time I see him now.

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Money, yes, time, no. Oh, yeah, Linus, you look. Money, yes, time, no.

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Why do I even talk to you, man?

02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:22.800
Yep. Anyway, yes, the CEO PC is still deployed Jacob framework.

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And Floatplane chat, of course it is. We don't.

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That's the thing. I get called a liar all the time. It's so weird and chaotic every time I go into his office.

02:07:31.680 --> 02:07:34.720
He has this crazy. Blown up computer. Yeah.

02:07:34.720 --> 02:07:40.480
I loved it though. But we just like, oh wait, we didn't talk about honey, says Jack Logan.

02:07:41.280 --> 02:07:47.760
I don't think he ended up in the dock. You're right, it never ended up in the dock. So one of the co-founders of Honey did an AMA this week

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and basically outlined that Megaleg's video was

02:07:51.760 --> 02:07:55.280
aside from not being entirely in good faith,

02:07:55.280 --> 02:08:01.360
which was pretty obvious to us, and aside from being old news, which was pretty obvious to us.

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That was very true. Given that a lot of what he talked about

02:08:04.480 --> 02:08:10.320
was stuff that had been covered by videos years prior. So maybe that was what he meant by a multi-year investigation

02:08:10.320 --> 02:08:13.920
was that someone else had made a video about it years ago

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and he finally watched it. Aside from all that, it appears and I,

02:08:19.520 --> 02:08:24.000
I look, I'm not going to get between them on this.

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I'm just annoyed that I got dragged into it at all because the whole thing is ridiculous.

02:08:30.400 --> 02:08:34.960
But basically he outlined a very compelling case

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for how Megaleg doesn't appear to have been entirely forthright

02:08:39.440 --> 02:08:44.880
and appears to have gone with an overly negative

02:08:44.880 --> 02:08:54.080
conspiratorial conclusion that is at best not well supported

02:08:54.080 --> 02:08:58.560
by the data that he collected. I haven't read this thing at all, so I can't comment.

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Yeah, I read the whole thing.

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Yeah, so cool.

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And really my question is how many times do I have to turn out

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to not be the asshole for that to stop being the narrative?

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It doesn't seem to matter. At least at a minimum one more.

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At least once more. And then that time it will be at least one more time again.

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What's that, what's that reference? That's a, that's a, that's a reference.

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I'm pretty sure. Yeah.

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Disturbed freak says, Luke, you're looking bored. Surely you're not tired already.

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I woke up at like five today. Nice.

02:09:40.240 --> 02:09:46.480
But I'll be fine. Nice. I can't wait to see what happens with all the performative lawsuits about it.

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Yeah. Yeah, whatever. Yeah.

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Like everyone like asking why I'm not saying because I'm not.

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Man, it's really interesting how little traction this thing got.

02:09:57.920 --> 02:10:03.360
Oh, I know. It's amazing how little traction the, it turns out that the explosive

02:10:03.360 --> 02:10:09.520
allegations weren't true gets like amazing the amount of damage that can be done

02:10:09.520 --> 02:10:14.160
by a bunch of assumptions and how utterly impossible it is to undo the damage.

02:10:15.200 --> 02:10:18.720
It's really frustrating. I got one more for you here.

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Are you still a comment? It just makes me want to, it just makes me want to actually give some,

02:10:26.240 --> 02:10:29.440
give people something to be angry about. Like what, what could I do? What could I do?

02:10:29.440 --> 02:10:32.880
We could do Linus coin. You could do anything. Really?

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The, the AMA guy. I took that as permission.

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Really? Anything. No, people need jobs.

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Especially right now. Well, I mean, that would cause outrage.

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What? Have you just dissolved the company?

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That would be pretty good. That would be a good one. That would be excellent. Yeah.

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I could do it live. I could live stream myself like joyfully terminating everyone.

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Wow. Like one at a time. You didn't have to add joy. Oh, wow. Oh yeah.

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Like no, I'd have to be like enthusiastic about it.

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Yeah. I think that would pretty much trash my reputation forever.

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Then again, it doesn't, nothing seems to matter anymore. Someone out there would be like, that's based.

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That's based. Yeah. It's like, why is, why is being an asshole cool?

02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:21.040
There will be at least one person on your side. Why is being a dick to people cool?

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It's not. Why do, why do we treat it like it's a good thing?

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It's not. I don't know. You should like be a reasonable human and engage in good faith.

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Negativity is attractive. Why? I don't know because we're humans.

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Big ape monkey leader of tribe.

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He said thing.

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There you go.

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Have I said it once this whole stream? Yeah, but you did it intentionally.

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I don't know.

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Paying dividends.

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All right, go ahead. I haven't used mine. I need to use mine more. Yeah.

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You should pivot to selling Aries tech products. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If I wanted to make the real money, I think it would probably be in,

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actually, I probably just shouldn't say this is going to make people mad. Okay, go ahead.

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And it's interesting that the Reddit thread for the honey thing was like

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down voted to oblivion. It's currently at zero. Really? But his replies are not.

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It's almost like. All of the replies are positive. It's almost like haters just don't want to have their narrative challenged.

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My question is, I suspect people didn't. I haven't read it, but I also haven't voted on it.

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But I wonder if people read it or if they just downloaded it.

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Oh, there's no way that they read it and then download it. And then maybe the reason why all the comments are being upvoted

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is you would have to actually go in and find them. Yep. Yeah. I guarantee you 100% that that's what happened.

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Because people don't want, because if they brigade it,

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and if they were a complete fucking asshole,

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they don't want to have to face that. It's way easier to just go, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.

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They're bad. They're bad. They're bad. Down vote, down vote. Then to find out what actually happened.

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That's way easier, like on your psyche.

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So it's just such a coward's way out.

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Anyway, Dan. Hey, LLD, love the show, love the products.

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Linus, did you save any of your childhood toys to pass on to your own kids?

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I saved a giant bin of connects that my son and I now build together.

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Yeah, I have a couple of things. I have a little Galaxian, I'm trying to remember what it's called.

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Yeah, I have one of these. And my kids played with it like a couple of times,

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but mostly weren't interested because my house is also full of better video games.

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I'm trying to think if there's anything else. I have a little toy piano that a couple of my kids kind of played with a little bit.

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Oh, oh, I have that weird wrestler dude figure that I sent you that's apparently

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someone was trying to sell it on Facebook marketplace for like 80 bucks or something. And I was like, boy, really, I don't know.

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That's a stretch guy, right? No, no, no, it wasn't stretch Armstrong. It's just like a weird wrestler figure.

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Oh, right. No, I remember that. Some 80s guy in a speedo. Yeah, I mean, they look similar.

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So yeah, exactly. Dude, I wish I had a stretch Armstrong.

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Most things were worth money at one point. Mostly I don't.

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I lost almost all my like kid kid childhood stuff when I moved from my dads to my moms,

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including my Super Nintendo and all my games. Like I just I just like grabbed the clothes on my back and like left.

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So I have almost nothing from before that.

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And then like after that, I was mostly into video games and computers.

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And I'm not super sentimental about most of that stuff.

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So I haven't really I haven't really like held on to any of it. I've I've reacquired some stuff.

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Like I reacquired the top gun joystick that I spent all those hours and hours and hours

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playing top playing a tie fighter with before I moved.

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But that's it's not my original one. It's it's it's a reacquisition.

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Brandon and asks evil men and the saints, have you guys ever considered branching

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into electronic toddler toys? I'd love to see an LTT gaming PC akin to a leapfrog or one of those overtly kitty controllers.

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No, I can tell you right now.

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Kids products are a ton of work. There's a ton of regulatory hoops to jump through in terms of value.

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You got to validate every paint that goes on it. You got to do this, you got to do that.

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Getting the shape sorter to market was a nightmare. I'm not sure we could ever have any hope of making money on it with all the time and money

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that we spent validating that stupid thing. And then on the flip side, anything with electronics in it.

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Oh, actually, I think it's the wireless communication that's the hold up. So have you seen that little like kind of rubber old school CRT with a tower under it thing

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that has like a screen in the front? Yeah, I think so. And it's a lamp. Yes.

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And you can boop the top of it and it changes the color and stuff. And you can like communicate with it wirelessly.

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That's been in purgatory for like a year. So anything electronics, bunch of hurdles, anything kids, a bunch of hurdles.

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We ain't combining them. No time soon. No time soon.

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And yes, that is evil. That is my devious plan to not make any kids electronics.

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Very good.

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No, that's just who he is. Anyway, we'll see you again next week. Same bad time.

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Same bad channel. Or not. I don't know. Bye.

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All right. Time to go game.

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Thank you.