I love comments like this because it's a good reminder that our like team's pretty cool.
One of the responses is, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, how did AJ do custom
integration into Unify readers? I need to know everything about this and it's like, hey.
Sometimes we do pretty cool stuff.
What's up y'all? How y'all doing? Hello. We're gonna have to get this thing started like ASELAP.
Oh shoot.
Ah.
Luke and I have an engagement tonight.
I'm being told I have to go to the gym. I'm not exactly resisting, but apparently there's
going to be like a workout session during the LAN. Oh, that's cool. Sounds pretty cool to be honest.
That's cool. I was like mixing activities during LANs. Yeah. I mean, assuming you're not too much of
a player to use a heavy weight, he needs two and a half pound weights. They're still not there.
I'll bench you. You know what? I could bench you. Maybe what you could do is you could go to a
different gym. You could go to a gym for little girls. I'll do it right now. You and my daughters
could go to the gym together. Two and a half pound weights. It's plates. It's not dumbbells.
I don't need two and a half pound dumbbells. I need two and a half pound plates
because you put them together. It means five. Going up in weight by 10 pounds every time you
want to increase the rate is too much. Yeah. Little Luke.
Oh, my God.
Okay, let's see. Two and five pounds are just over one K. Yeah. It's the...
What? Oh, my God. No, you put a two and a half pound on each side of... I'm just trolling in.
I'm explaining to people in chat that I think you're confused. You put a two and a half pound on
each side of the bar. You go up by five pounds and that's how you increment.
Yeah, if you're a little lady. Oh, my God.
Oh, man. I can lift as much as Luke. Just might take me longer.
I don't know. I wonder. Yeah, you lift 200 pounds. I lift 100, then I lift 100.
No, I know. Yeah. Just might take me longer. If there's an amount
where I could burn you out regardless. No. I wonder. Because I could just do five pounds,
like, you know, however... But you'll still burn out on that eventually.
There's somebody that did... There was a, like, huge ripped power lifter that did,
I think it was, like, a five pound dumbbell as many times as he possibly could,
and he got to, like, a thousand or something, but he eventually couldn't lift it anymore.
That's actually pretty funny. Please ask for a pound in a quarter plates.
It's, like, just the ring. No actual material.
Oh, man. Okay.
Uh, okay. All right. I think I'm ready. Should we just go for it?
Sure.
Uh, okay. I'm just going to... Oh, wait.
Oh, what's the thing called, man? Oh, yo. Rysaw in full point chat said,
I started a job this week at a company that makes X-ray detectors for medical X-ray equipment.
Your video on the LumaField scanner was helpful for my interview.
I knew what a scintillator was and what copper filters are used for.
Thanks for the educational stuff. Let's go. That's cool. Someone got a job because they watched LTT.
For all of the discourse around the pure entertainment-ness of LTT,
there's a couple things. Number one, we're not that entertaining.
I can own that. Number two, just because something doesn't go to the deepest possible level
doesn't mean that you learn absolutely nothing. I'm not going to be like
wild crats. It's pure entertainment.
The whole point of Techquickie originally was to just give people a kicking off point.
I love the name of Techquickie. That is actually probably my proudest naming work.
It has three meanings. It's pretty good. Yeah. Do you know all three?
I know two, at least. If you say it fast, it sounds like tech wiki, which is kind of what it's supposed to be.
I didn't know that one. Obviously, it doesn't have the wiki element of everyone being able to edit it,
but the idea was that it's just a reference for kind of every term that you would need to know.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and resume the selected. As much as we didn't do it very often, I liked LSD.
Yeah, Luke Software Discovery. That was pretty good. Yeah, we only did it twice, I think.
Something like that. Yeah.
Okay, resume selected. Doing it now.
What's up, everyone, and welcome to the WAN Show.
We got a great show lined up for you guys this week. We're going to be talking about your burning questions.
That's right. You have burning questions, and I want to answer them.
We uploaded our How Does LTT Make Money video earlier this week,
and you might have noticed the thumbnail is a little mangled.
That's because there's also been some new information surfacing around the whole honey thing.
Oh, it's all about the money. It's all about the honey money, money, honey.
We've got a lot of great topics for you guys, so we'll be answering some of your questions.
We're also going to be talking about, oh, 23andMe,
filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Who could have seen this coming?
Who, indeed, perhaps an officer of vision somewhere?
A chief of some sort. Now, what else we got this week?
You stole one of mine, but I figured it out. The AMD says RX9070XT sold 10 times more than predecessor in first week.
Wow. I don't know what's more impressive. How many they sold of the 9000 series?
Let's go on. Also, the have I been pwned guy got pwned.
Oh, Troy Hunt, the hunter has become the hunted.
This is honestly probably good for everyone. We'll discuss later.
I'll just leave it there. I'll explain later.
The show is brought to you today by AMD, along with DeleteMe and Xplit,
to go with our usual RAP partner, Gbrand, laptop partner, Adele, and of course, chair partner.
Secret lab. I really didn't get over the way. Yeah, man. It's a good thing we didn't like both go the correct direction.
It could have been disastrous because we're not going to miss the WAN Show.
So it would just be me and Luke unconscious in our chairs for the next three hours.
Wake up, my little concussion. Keep going. All right.
So you guys had some questions about the how does LTT make money video?
And I'm not sure if we will answer all of them, because I have not yet had a chance to read this document.
I've been busy all day getting ready for our infrastructure test at Smash Champs.
I guess we'll have to be talking about that, because that is where Luke and I are going after this.
Because what better way to test the infrastructure for a LAN facility
than to play video games all night? Yeah. I mean, there's really no other way to do it.
Yeah. It's a tough job, but I guess we'll have to be there.
We'll soldier through. We will. All right. So here we go.
On March 25th, Linus Media Group Inc. uploaded the truth about how LTT makes money,
a video featuring several members of the team breaking down several income streams
that contribute to LMG's revenue. Naturally, this spawned some discussion in our official,
but officially recognized subreddit, as well as on the LTT forum.
And we thought we would try to address some of the speculation.
Speculation number one from u slash just and Nick
attempted a breakdown showing that they did the math
because they're able to see our Floatplane subscriber count
and the percentage of the chart that was Floatplane and extrapolate from there,
guessing that our revenue number is somewhere between 32.6 and 65.3 million dollars.
Elijah responded to the post saying, all I will say is this,
if it was this simple to figure out the number, we probably wouldn't have included that in the video.
There are several factors not taken into account.
Also, the range you just gave was a massive LMAO.
However, I will add to Elijah's response that yeah, it probably is somewhere in that range.
There's actually, there's, there's factors to it that help it be higher
and there's factors to it that help it be lower. One of the help it be lower ones is that I don't think this person factored in OG subs,
which are actually three dollars. Yeah. And we have a fair, how many OG subs do we have?
Quite a few. Hundreds or thousands? Not hundreds, definitely not hundreds.
A lot more than hundreds.
And those three dollar subs really, wow, do they ever not?
They don't, they don't cost this money. We make money off of them. Yeah, but they don't add up as fast as the other ones.
The other ones just do a lot better. Yeah. Because it's, it's like delta over your costs, right?
Yes. So when, when it, yeah, anyways, I don't need to explain that.
And the three dollar subs also have more overhead associated with collecting that payment because
every payment has a fixed cost as well as a percentage of the overall transactions.
So yeah, a higher percentage of it is like transaction fees and stuff like that.
So like it doesn't even, it doesn't even make it to us. It just goes to, people are straight.
Basically, with how much you pay in fees and taxes and overhead,
you might as well just not even run it. Why am I even here?
You know what? Pitch is the headphones.
Another thing that I would say though is, is so, okay. We lowered the range a little bit there,
but another thing that I would say to increase the range is that we're not the only creator
on the platform. And there's, there's, there's other creators contributing to that pie.
Some of them very significantly. So, yeah. So, yeah.
Dang puns. Dang puns has, has, has quite a few subscribers.
I had something upside down stuck in my throat there. Yeah.
There's actually a decent amount of creators on full plane that I like just really actively
watch their content on full plane, which is like kind of sick.
Yeah. Cause it's kind of cool. And I mean, you don't have to subscribe to all of them.
Yeah, I have. Do you? Really? Okay. You if I, if I follow a channel for technical reasons, I won't pay for the sub.
Okay. But if I'm like, I want to support this creator out, yeah,
I'll just pay for the sub. I'd have to if it was on Patreon.
Very cool. So like, yeah, I don't know. No, that's the, it's that it's the right thing to do.
I would think.
Speculation. So like, there's, there's one.
I have at a time directly subscribed. I don't know if I am right now.
That's the main LTT channel. I have at a time been directly subscribed to dank pods, for instance, because there was a
while where my sleep schedule was all whack. So I was awake more often when he was actively streaming and I would just have his drum stream
in the background while I was working. So it was like, yeah, I mean, I'm just actually watching this like for fun content.
So, well, that's understandable. Yeah. I mean, Wade's super cool.
Yeah. Speculation number two, since some channels contributed so little, that's why they were
shut down. So the reference here is of course to the not LTT or ShortCircuit or tech links channels,
because you got to remember for most of last year, actually even LMG clips
earns more than that. Quickie GameLinked MAC addresses in there somewhere, Channel Super Fun.
There is. Okay, hold on. I'm going to read the official response first.
It is worth noting. Ah, yes, good. It is worth noting that that chart only shows AdSense, not sponsorships,
which when one channel uploads 15 videos over the course of an entire year and another channel
uploads almost, you know, two videos a day in the case of LMG clips.
Well, of course that channel is going to make less AdSense, but there is more to the revenue
of a channel than just AdSense. And that was one of the points that we were trying to drive home in this video is AdSense
is like a smaller part of the pie these days. How does the creator economy work exactly?
How do these numbers break down at an organization that isn't just a YouTube channel?
And not every YouTube channel will fall. And I think we say this in the video, but not every YouTube channel will follow
similar splits to what we have, but this is ours.
No, not at all, but this is ours. Point number two on this one is the shutting down of the channels was never about the money.
I made that explicitly clear at the time and I know that there is a cohort of people
that believe that every time I open my mouth, I am lying.
That is not in fact the case. If I say it wasn't about the money, I can't tell you what it was about.
It means it wasn't about the money, but I can't give you any more detail about what exactly it was about.
At the end of the day, we made a decision to pause the production,
to focus on the areas we needed to focus on and make LMG as awesome as it can possibly be.
All right. Speculation number three was that we should have just said how much money we make in
the video. Some people said big companies show their revenue all the time. Why can't LMG?
And the answer is that because those publicly traded companies by law are required to disclose
certain aspects of their finances for their shareholders. LMG is still a private company
and we don't have to go as far as we did, but we made a decision to do so knowing that a lot
of people, the ones who care anyway, are going to go and do the math for themselves anyway
and realistically, coming back to speculation number one, probably end up in the right range or so.
The thing that you guys don't know, of course, is what our expenses look like, what our overhead
looks like. It's probably higher than you think. We have over a hundred people on staff.
Like we went from, I think in our first year, our total revenues were,
ooh, I'm a little rusty on this. It was under a million dollars though. Our total top line revenue
was under one million dollars in our first year of operation. And nowadays,
I'll say this. Okay. How do I not get too specific? It's a lot more than that.
Nowadays, depending on which period it's for, there are regularly pay periods where,
whether it's with expense reimbursements or whatever else, I'm going to keep this fuzzy
and that's intentional. But there are regularly pay periods where the overall withdrawal
from the company's coffers is greater than that. It happens.
Sorry, I mean monthly, monthly. Back then, we paid on a monthly basis.
So there are months where our overall payroll expense is greater than the entire revenue for
the company in our first year of operation. Of course, in the first year, that wasn't a huge
problem because the entire employee count was me, Luke, Ed, Brandon.
Brandon didn't even start January 1st. No, no, no. He started in like April or
something like that. Was it just the four of us after one year? Or had we added?
Were we in the new house before the end of the year? We were. So...
Oh, do you want to hear something scary?
It is almost Colton's 10-year anniversary.
Think about what that means. When did Colton start?
Right before we moved to the office. Wow.
Look at his face. Look at his face.
I was analyzing something that happened and I was trying to like...
I was looking at something and I was like, okay, we shouldn't do this anymore.
And then I was thinking back to myself in a similar role in the past.
Because I was like, how should I address this? And I was like, well, I've done this thing that
we shouldn't do. So I'm trying to put myself in those shoes to understand what it's like, right?
And then I had the thought of like, that was nine years ago.
Because it was 2016. I know. Because I split off to do full play stuff in 2017.
I know. And I looked at the date and I was like, uh, uh, uh, uh, what?
Dude, it's wild. Dude, it's wild.
Anyway, there were some other questions that people had, some other assumptions.
We can talk about a little bit more if you guys want to leave a merch message.
As you guys know from watching that video, if you did,
merch, which I think is actually an unfair word to use to describe the products that our team
creates, but our merchandise contributes an enormous amount of our company's revenues.
I did see a lot of people talking about how there's a huge difference between revenue and profit.
And I will say, before anyone bothers to ask this one, there is a very good reason that we
don't get into the profitability of each of those segments of the business.
And the reason is that we actually can't really, at least not without adding a bunch of completely
unnecessary administrative overhead, like how on earth would I tell you guys exactly what the
cost is of a, of a, actually TechLinked would be relatively easy because there's a small team
that works on that for a finite number of hours every day. But I'm like, what's the value of, uh, the earnings of one department floating another
department while they cook for a while and then make tons of money? Well, okay, that, that we could kind of figure out.
But what I'm, where I was getting with this is how do I determine the cost of an LTT video?
There's so many parts of that. I would have to log every single hour of every single person involved from the business team
talking to clients, to procurement, sourcing product, to the Labs team doing testing,
to the writing team, to the shooting team, to the editing. Involve the administrative stuff?
Like did, did they talk about this in their, in their one-on-one?
With an executive? Did anyone in accounting have to do any reconciliations for it?
Probably. You could kind of try to approximate it.
The sponsor money isn't free. A business person had to work to get it. And we kind of do, we kind of do try to approximate those things in order to make
sure that every aspect of the business is running in a healthy manner.
But, and clearly we're doing okay. But if our whole goal with this type of transparency with you guys is that it's
supposed to be accurate, then the most accurate way for us to do it is to,
to give you something that we can actually trust. Something that we know is actually accurate.
So one of the things that a lot of people brought up is like, you know,
hey, with how much of the business is merged now, over 50%, why do they even
bother with the video side? But it's murkier than that, right?
Because a lot of that apparel sales and product sales is driven by that video
production business. It's just that we've chosen to allocate the revenue into buckets this way.
There are easily other ways that we could allocate it. Like if we created internal tracking links that we put under every single video,
we could potentially track merchandise sales right back to individual videos.
And we could have like a P and L for every single video production that we do.
But then, you know, we're going to have to have a team that sits there and runs all of this stuff,
which a bigger business than us, you know, if we were 250 people or 500 people instead of
about a hundred ish, yeah, might actually make sense for us to continue to,
you know, optimize and continue to do better or whatever.
But right now, you know, we're too busy doing stuff to analyze it to quite that degree.
Another question that came up before you guys bothered to send a merge message for this one
is, hey, yo Linus, with how little of it is actually here, hold on, I'm going to see if I
can find the pie chart with how little of it is actually those those NVIDIA like pre-roll
and end roll things. Why exactly do you bother including them? Can you just can you just not
do NVIDIA sponsor spots? It is a good question and it is something that I have considered.
But what I will say is that you got to remember guys, this is revenue.
9% of the pie really isn't nothing. So if we were to take 9% of this out, this is a very low cost aspect of our production,
right? So we would be losing 9% of our revenue. But I'm just going to look at all the rest of
this stuff. AdSense, sponsored projects. 9% is a massive section of the pie I just cut out.
This is probably other than pasting affiliate links under videos. This is probably the lowest
lift part of this entire pie. So you're not really asking us to cut out 9% of our revenue,
you're asking us to cut out effectively 9% like you're effectively asking us to cut out 9% of
our revenue that was almost pure profit. Yeah, that slice is much closer to profit than
practically anything. Whereas like if you were to look at something like CW, right? Like a huge
chunk of this piece is just cogs, cost of goods sold. Like it accounts for absolutely nothing
other than us buying the product before we sell it to you. Huge. Then you've got, you know,
tooling and development. Then you've got, you know, human resources. All of our products are
designed here in Canada by our team here. So it's not like we're using just like cheap overseas
labor and we're just like still screening our logo onto a screwdriver or something. Like it's
not like that. We're doing real design work. There's also, you know, because of the famous
trust me bro guarantee that for whatever reason turned into a scandal, a significant amount of
cost here in returns. There was a reason. Oh, there's a reason, but the reasons are far more
complicated than just, I know, you just, you just try to, you just try to slip that in all the time.
And I, you know, I do. You can trust me bro about that.
The point is that that, that is a significant cost that we bear here. So if you were to say,
okay, Linus, stop doing creator warehouse, I don't know this off the top of my head, but I will say
with some degree of confidence that the actual profitability of this is probably not that far
off of this. Yeah. With that said, you could kind of say the same about AdSense, right? Like
it's not, it's not, these aren't showing necessarily all the stuff that goes into it,
because those like NVIDIA sponsor spots, AdSense sponsored projects, those are laying on top of
the video production crew. Yes. And NVIDIA sponsor spots is also laying on top of the video
production crew. Yeah. So if we were just making the videos, right, our costs are the same regardless
of whether we have AdSense and NVIDIA sponsor spots. So I have thought about it. I have never
gotten as far as discussing that as a possibility with the rest of the team. Unique username says,
now I really want a profitability chart, but I can't because there's so many resources here.
Like our, our, our talent and culture coordination team, HR, like our HR team, our accounting team,
how do I allocate them? Like the accounting team does work for like smash champs sometimes.
Do they log every one of those hours in a logbook? Does somebody audit that logbook? Like come on,
come on, we don't, we don't need to do that. We don't have time for that. That's one of the major,
some of it kind of does work that way actually. Like, yes, I know some does. Yeah. Some of the
development in particular. However, those are contractors. That's a workflow that contract
developers are like kind of used to, like that's just part of it. When you're just an employee
for a company that shares all the same ownership team or ownership group, there's no good reason
to do that unless there's like, unless we're trying to, unless we're trying to kind of root out waste
in some way. Like, Hey, is this project not making sense? Cause we're like really spending a lot of
time on this. Like if we're kind of doing an investigation, then I would say that we would,
we would get into logging stuff like that. But just in terms of day to day operation, no, I don't
think we would feel free to, anyway, like I said, feel free to send some more merge messages. If
you have more questions, we do have a discussion question here from Elijah. Can Elijah have a
raise? Cause he did such a good job with this video and now knows how much the company makes.
Okay. So two things, Elijah, number one is no, you don't know how much the company makes. We
already talked about that because you only see the revenue and number two, no, get rekt or maybe,
but I'm actually not in charge of that. That was one of the big hasn't been for a bit.
That was one of the big reasons that I wanted to let go of the leadership reins because
the reality of it was while I've talked about this in the past, I could be CEO of the company.
I didn't have time to really know what everyone was doing, what everyone was doing,
how good of a job they were doing, you know, did, did they, you know, deserve a raise? And then also
be the primary host and, and that creative energy guy and, and sit on this podcast for three to four
and a half hours a week and like all the other things that I do, I didn't have time to do a good
job. And so I'd be, I'd be in these like annual reviews where we're talking about compensation
and it got to the point where I was like, if we get any bigger, I'm just going to be going on
gut feel, which is not okay. That's, that's not good enough. And so no, I do not determine
Elijah's compensation. How has that been? Has it felt like a good, because I know some, some things,
I don't know this, I suspect some things you had hoped to let go of and probably weren't fully able
to just because it is how it is, not because someone wasn't doing things correctly. But I know
that you were able to let go of, has that felt like a weight off? It's been hard
because there are cases where I've felt like I want to be involved, but part of letting go of
something is that you have to actually let go. And the second that I have someone come to me,
like let's say you came to me and you were like, Hey, I'm not happy with my compensation.
The second I took that and I put my finger on the scale, now I'm basically in charge of it again.
Yeah. Think about it, right? Because the second you do that, someone else is going to do that.
And then someone else is going to do that. And then Taryn's going to be sitting there going,
okay, well, what is the point of even putting together these performance metrics and these
reviews and these, these management layers and this budgeting. Why am I even doing any of this?
If Linus is just going to come in and say, Oh yeah, well, like Luke's kind of my buddy outside of
like the work that he does and do it this way, like he's blonde. So like that's cool.
I mean, that's a problem in its own right.
But like he's sexy. So, right? Like it's ridiculous.
So it's probably good that you don't do those things. So, you know, look, and it's one of those things where Luke's and my relationship is
particularly complicated because we are friends and he has talked to me about his compensation.
But what I have to do is I have to basically say, okay, I am taking off my company hat and I feel
like, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like I have given you from the benefit of my
experience, friend advice that is not necessarily aligned with the corporation's best interests.
I would also like to, so I, I agree. I would also like to put forward that I think I came
to those conversations looking for that. Yeah. Not the other side.
100%. So I think it worked out great. It is a very weird and complicated relationship.
I think we both do a pretty good job. We try. But sometimes it doesn't work out perfectly. But what I didn't do and what I wouldn't do
is take what he told me as a friend and raise it up the flagpole.
Which I also didn't want him to take it up the chain because that's not the way that's
supposed to work. The way it's supposed to work is if Luke has a concern and I'm not saying Luke
was complaining about his own pay, what I'm saying is that something to do with compensation,
Luke had a concern that he wasn't sure how to approach and he wanted to talk to me as a friend.
So we did, but I can't, I can't put my thumb on the scale because it's like it's,
and this isn't even necessarily one of those scenarios, but like, and I have struggled with this
and I've tried to coach people who manage people under me on this same thing. I struggle with it.
Now I will probably always struggle with it. You have to let certain things like fail.
Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, dude, it's so hard. It's so painful. Think about the number of ideas
that you've either pitched me or heard pitched to me that I've been like,
I do not believe this will work, but try anything twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How many times have you heard me say those words? Quite a few times. Like I don't think I could
count it. You can't fit it on hands. I don't know how many times. It's so hard. And it is tough,
but like, and you have to also understand that when you're on the like, receiving end of that,
that, and I'm not saying this is one of those scenarios, but in all of these scenarios,
like anything that Linus had to give up, I think, hmm, can I say this?
I don't think you say anything you want. It's a free country. I think, what am I going to do?
Fire you? A problem that we had when you and Yvonne were holding certain positions,
because you guys wouldn't let certain things fail sometimes too much. Oh yeah.
And then that like limits people's growth potentials. So sometimes you have to like,
as a manager, you have to weigh the like, what is the loss of letting this thing fail
versus the actual real loss of this person not learning this thing.
Dude, people have to learn things for themselves. Yeah. Do you know how many things? You can't just tell people.
Dude, the number of things. Okay. Okay. Here's a perfect example. Here's a perfect example
that completely changed the trajectory of my life. Okay. When I was going into school,
okay, I joined the science program at UBC and I was like, I don't know. I'll do whatever it is
that science people do. And like, I had no idea what I wanted to do for a career. I just,
I knew that you're supposed to have a degree because that's what my generation was told.
And also a high school diploma was worthless by the time I got one. And so I went to university.
I like, I got to went to a good school and I went to science because I mean,
that'll look good on my resume, right? And my uncle told me, so my uncle says, look,
you're making a mistake. Go into business. Learn business because everything is business. I went,
uncle skip. He's always, he's always pushing this business agenda, but I'm going to do science.
And he was a hundred percent right. I didn't understand what business was. No,
it sounded boring. It sounded like wearing a suit. Yeah. I had no idea that business
can be plumbing. Like literally anything. It could be literally anything. You can use business.
Like some of the best stuff I learned at BCIT when I was taking a development course. Yeah.
Was the mandatory business courses that came along with it because they were like
communications and other things like that. And I used those more than probably anything
else I learned at school. I never used Java. I didn't program in Java professionally ever.
I don't know, but I used all the business courses. Because like, so to the plumber example,
you can be a plumber and you can make a salary or you can run a plumbing business and you can make
if you are successful, which will take some work, some luck, right? If you are successful,
you can make many times a salary. And that was his point. His point was no matter what you do.
Even if you go somewhere and earn a salary, you can use those things you learned in business
to help accelerate your career. Like it's working within that organization and being useful within
that organization can be amplified by understanding business stuff. So yeah, that was that was a
thing that changed my life. But I had... Sorry, sorry. PK7 said I'm going to slightly modify. Oh,
no, it's exactly what he said. Or you can become a farmer and make a salary.
Do the thing. I was thinking about it. My hand was hovering.
Okay. So the point is that he explained it to me. He told me everything that I'm telling you guys
now, I have no new information than I had. Yeah. But what I have is knowledge, which is what I value
a lot more than my car. We got some books. Yeah, we got some Star Wars books. The Jedi path.
Why is that there? Is that yours? Did you like order that and forget it here or something?
I have no idea who's it is. Why are there Star Wars books? Do you want to get them? They've been
here forever. Yeah, I don't know how long these have been here. You're sure they're not yours?
I don't. Because you totally read like trashy Star Wars literature. Yeah.
And you totally get your stuff shipped to the office. I don't think I would have bought this though.
How sure are you? Not 100% sure. But if I did buy it, it would have been a long time ago.
It's yours. I don't care about it. My set deck. He'll read it.
From the camera angle we never use. Are you sure it's not supposed to actually be set deck?
Like I feel like I should probably leave it here. I don't know why it's in cellophane then.
FogelBR asks, I'll ask this here in Floatplane chat. Can you empathize with those of us who miss
you being more unguarded like you were in the past? Now it seems like with Terran being so guarded,
part of the allure of getting to know business insider things is gone, which is one of the
reasons I've been a fan. Am I being guarded right now? And I don't think Terran being here would
be the reason for that change. I also don't personally think Terran is super guarded.
No. To be honest, I think that's a misread. Yeah. I mean, he's not as accessible.
Sure. Because he's not on WAN Show every week. Sure. But that doesn't mean he's guarded.
No. No, it just means he's, but I can understand why they have the perception.
Sure. It's just, I'm just pointing out there that I don't think it's true.
Like I'm pretty readily available. I am. Yes. Like whenever I see a message
somewhere about how impossible Linus is to get in touch with, I'm like, yo, you didn't try that
hard. Yeah. Like I am not that hard to get my attention. It's possible that you had a terrible,
terrible idea. And so I didn't acknowledge it, but I might have seen it. In fact, depending where
you put it, I probably saw it, but I'll have, dude, I'll have people say how hard I am to get in
touch with. And they literally haven't emailed the public email address on our YouTube channel.
Yeah. They haven't posted on the forum. Like they just, they didn't even try.
I've had situations like that before with myself. And I, I don't, I don't even know if I'm as easy
to contact as you are, but there's some pretty obvious ways to get a hold of me.
There are ones that don't work. Like I don't, I do not get notifications for DMs on Twitter,
for instance. Your DMs are open. Yeah. But I don't look at them. Yeah. See mine
a little harder. My DMs are not open. Oh, okay. But you can tweet at me.
Wow. Are you just like too cool and too popular? It's like this guy, man. He's got his steam friends
offline by default because he's just too cool and popular and people will like want to game with
them because he's too cool. He's so popular. Oh my goodness. So I could never like find him in my
list. You can just say he's a favorite. Yeah. Oh, so, wow. So you think you deserve to be a
favorite because you're too cool and popular. You're a favorite. You're a favorite on mine. Because you're too cool and popular to be ever online. I don't search for you. I see how it is.
My goodness. I see how it is. My goodness. He's just too cool and popular. I mean, look,
all we have to do is look at any kind of controversy, right? And it's like Linus bad,
Luke, cool and popular. Why does he hang out with that Linus guy?
Maybe it's because of actions and words. Wow. See, he's mean.
He just does it with a big smile. So you're all like, oh, Luke, he's so funny. That was mean.
He hurt my feelings just now. No, I don't have feelings. I'm a narcissist.
Or sociopath. Or what have I been accused of? No, just narcissism, right? Has anyone called
me a sociopath yet? Probably. Probably. I have no idea. You know what? I'm going to search the
channel. There's a lot of words out there. I'm going to search the channel for comments
that contain sociopath. You can't get out ahead of it. I'm going to do it too fast.
What are we supposed to be doing right now? I think we're still in the house.
L2T make money topic? Oh, okay. Hold on. Elijah had one more conversation question.
Do you think being as transparent as we've been as a company has shot us in the foot?
Yeah. Yes. Has shot us in the foot for the future? This applies to several aspects. Sponsored
relationships, finances, product development, et cetera. Oh, no, not to those things, to be
honest. Yeah, no, just mostly community stuff. Yeah, no, it's just, it's always amazing to me
to see people turn a W into an L, you know, and take something like that video that we did. And
it's fine to ask more questions. I understand why people are curious, right? But some people seem
to be legitimately angry that we didn't say more, that we didn't show more. If you do it at all,
you didn't do it far enough. Yeah. Like, nah, f*** off. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Yeah. Most people
wouldn't have done this at all. Some people do it. There are other examples. Yeah. I mean,
Mr. Beast is shockingly transparent. He doesn't have to be. Yeah.
Has he publicly traded yet? I thought he's, did he do a private sale of stock?
Yeah, I think he sold privately. Private sale? Yeah. Yeah. That's, oh yeah, I was going to talk
about that earlier, how one of the reasons that we've never taken outside money is because of
how much less of that internal tracking nonsense we have to do when the ownership is identical
for all the companies. Yeah. So I can, I can say, you know, oh my goodness, we need a thing developed
for LTT Store. Where on earth will I find a developer? Yeah. The developers for LTT Store
stuff, neither of them actually work for Linus Media Group. Yeah. So, and that's something that I
think we're probably going to do like a restructuring, that's a really scary word, but it's not going to
be scary the way that we're doing it. We're going to be doing like a restructuring at some point
where we take some departments whole, okay, everyone chill. If you work here and you're
watching this chill. They're restructuring. I know. So we take some departments in their entirety and
then we shift what organization they actually work for. I think I might have even talked about this
on Wancho before, but we want to take some things like human resources, accounting, development
potentially. Oh, like parent company them. And make them a pooled resource like customer service.
Infrastructure. Is there any good reason why we have fragmented customer service?
A different customer service team for Floatplane and Creator Warehouse. I mean,
everyone's job on both of those teams is basically to say yes. So, or say no if people are being
completely unreasonable. I just mean. She's pretty rare. I just mean the flows are pretty
straightforward. We actually say yes to a lot of very unreasonable things. I know. Just so you
know. I know. I know. That is the marching orders. I had a long conversation with another creator
many years ago, many years ago about how obviously we'd be in a position where regardless of our
stated warranty policies, we'd be insane to step out of line in any way. And this long conversation
was very well understood. Very well understood by the other creator at the time. And I don't know,
somewhere along the line, someone got confused about it at some point. And we had the trust me
bro controversy. But yeah, we would be insane. I mean, look how explosive things are when we
actually don't harm anybody. Name a name. Name someone who didn't get warranty coverage on their
backpack. Name and name. Me. Really? No. Really? How many free backpacks do you have?
Two. Three. Three. F***ing guy. I got it wrong. Yeah. The one that I have that has the old
carabiners. I think you even saw this. I'm on like a mission to not let them break.
And the only time, the only time one of them even got close was a TSA agent, like put their
thumb right through it. Is this just you like kind of doing that thing where like you just
want the rare one no matter how much worse it is? Probably. Okay. But yeah, I haven't replaced them.
I totally could, obviously. Yeah. The new bag has them on it. Yeah. And they're great. Yeah,
they're better. But my old ones are fine. Okay. They still work. Okay. That's Lexic Stoner 240
says Linus, you didn't give me a warranty. I also don't have a backpack. Nice. Okay. What do you
want to talk about next? Did I get it? Yes, I have the button actually. I want to ask if I have the
button. Do you have, do you have mine? Nice. That invalidates what he did. Yeah. I have the button,
but I don't know. All right. What are we supposed to be doing, Dan?
You could do another topic or we could move into some merge messages up to you. No,
it's not up to me. I don't decide these things. Let's do some merge messages. I'm not even the
CEO anymore. That's right. But you're the vision man. What is your vision for this WAN Show?
Your vision could be Dan, tell me what to do. I always call him eyeball officer. I like it.
I call him the peepers. What a weird thing to call someone. The peepers is crazy.
What are the peepers thinking about today? I've never heard that before. Wow.
How about some announcements? Let's get through those. No, we should do another topic.
That's wild. Yeah, we've only done one topic. How is that even possible? What is this show?
Who knows? I mean, certainly it's a show about detailed and accurate medical advice. That's for
sure. Oh my goodness. Yeah. All right. AMD says the RX9070 XT sold 10 times more than its predecessor
in the first week. Lisa Sue dropped this claim in an interview with ASUS Tony saying it has been a
fantastic success. Actually, it is the number one selling graphics card of all the AMD Radeon
generations for first week sales by far 10 times higher. Nice. This may be true for launch week,
but does not necessarily indicate a successful quarter or year for AMD. This graph from John
Petty research shows a decline in sales for AMD's Halo products dating back to 2009.
Basically, other than a little bit of uptick in the, what is this? Third attempt at rebrand. No,
okay. Sorry. Hold on. Okay. So this is the launch of Hawaii after multiple rebrands of,
oh man, I'm trying to remember. Which one did they rebrand like a bazillion times? She said it's of all the Radeon generations though. So that would be all the way back to 2009. So this
is a like over four-fold increase. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm trying to remember.
Which one was the one that they rebranded like a zillion times? Oh, I don't know.
I'm trying to remember. This they rebranded once, the 480 to the 580, but I thought it was the 7970,
wasn't it? I thought it was 7970 or 7950. Didn't that care? Was it a Halo product that was rebranded?
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, was it the 50, 5870? Come on. Help me out here, guys. There was one that
got rebranded like three times. Someone's saying RX380. Man, how do I not remember this anymore?
290, a lot of rebrands too. Yeah, but that's, I think that's before this. Yeah. The 290 did have
a lot of rebrands. There was one before that though. 7970 became the 280X. 7970 to 280 to 380.
Oh, that's right. That's right. It was the 7970, which became part of the 200 series
and then became part of the 300 series again. Like that GPU was around flipping forever
as a current part of their lineup. Oh, atomic brain fart says 380 was different.
I really thought they, I really, I really thought it was part of it. 7970 and December 11th and
then became the 280X. It was rebranded as the R9 280X, essentially the same GPU. We're doing R9
3. Okay. Someone copy pasted something into the chat, but it seems to have been truncated.
I think it got cut off. That's really helpful. All right. Well, either way, cool. Anyway,
so yeah, they've been in a long, steady decline according to John Petty research for literally
like 16 years. However, however, I see hope. I see hope. Like you can see it just in publicly
available data, like the number of reviews on products. Like back in the Fury days, you'd look
at these cards on New Egg and like, yeah, technically there's listings for them and there's
like a couple in stock, but there'd be like six reviews and that's over a span of like six months.
So in effect, nobody was buying these cards, but that does not seem to be the case with the 7000
series. It is worth noting that while the 9070XT is likely the top end card from AMD this generation,
it's not meant to be a top of the line competitor like some of the other cards that were highlighted
on that graph. With that said, it's a higher end competitor than Polaris, for instance, which was
meant to be more of a mid-range card. But that's, oh man, I don't know. Is this meant to be positioned
higher than Polaris? Because Polaris launched at like 250 bucks or like 199 or something like that.
Don't quote me on those numbers, but it was like affordable, but then is like
549, 699, or 649, 699. Is that like, is that mid-range now?
I think it's kind of... I didn't just hear that sigh. I felt it.
Yeah. Anyway. It actually bothers me because low-range users have kind of been priced out.
Like the 60 series... So there's kind of two things that have happened at the same time. One is
the prices of graphics cards have massively ramped. Another one has been that like, I don't know about
you, but when they first shifted to talking about like 60, 70, 80 kind of series cards,
we're talking about like after the 9800 series.
Sure. So starting with the 200 series of cards, the 60 series was like, it had a lot of focus,
I feel like. Generally one price to performance. Like it was a very reasonable card to get. It was
pretty solidly priced. It got you a really good step up in generation every time. It was good.
It was a good thing to buy. Just yeah, if you just want to like game at 1080p medium to high,
just like buy that every time. I don't know when that started getting eroded, but it feels like it has been.
Well, the 2000 series didn't even like, oh no, they got a 20, the 2060 kind of sucked though,
because the main highlight of the 60 series was, or the 2000 series was that it had ray tracing.
But the 2060, yeah, you can play Indiana Jones and the Great Circle on it. It's actually okay,
but like barely. So you were, compared to the 1660, right, which was the non-RTX
from that generation, but it's 16 series instead of 20 series. I don't know, whatever they were
doing with that branding. That was honestly a way better value if you didn't care about ray
tracing and the 2060, even if you did care about ray tracing, it was barely really capable of it
anyway. So that was to me where the 60 series kind of lost its luster. But for me, the bigger
conversation is like, what the f**k happened to the 50 series? Yeah, fair enough. 50 also used to
be a great value. Yeah, solid card. Like back with like Maxwell, right? Like a 950 Ti or whatever
was like a pretty solid card. Like the 1050 was like, or 1050 Ti. I believe there was a 1050 Ti.
Hold on, I'm pretty sure. And I'm pretty sure it was pretty solid. 1050 Ti. Yeah, there was a 1050
Ti. Yeah, that thing was solid. And like, what was the MSRP when it launched?
It was $139 US dollars. A solid card for $139. This is what we lost. Yeah, even look at the cooler.
Like the cooler even looks cool if that's actually, that wasn't, I don't think that ever existed.
Yeah, I never saw that. I know, I'm pretty sure those existed for 1060s. And I think, no, it says
1050 on there. Yeah, yeah. No, 1060s, definitely you could buy ones that looked kind of like this.
But this is, this effectively did not exist. It was all partner cards. Okay, okay. Yeah.
Someone says they still use 1050 Ti's in slot machines. Nice. Nice. Anyway, speaking of
somewhat maybe affordable cards, B580s are in stock. And this is not $250,
which is what it was supposed to be, $250. Yeah. But $90 over MSRP feels less ridiculous than some
of the stuff we're dealing with these days. Do you want to have a, do you want to have a Labs website
feature discussion? Yeah, I would love to. So we've been, we've been figuring out getting
pricing on the site because there's, there's been this, the discussion for quite a while now is like,
how do we make, how do we, how do we get people, not that we even really profit off of this,
but we want the site to be more useful, getting you to an actual purchasing decision
is a form of, a very significant form of being more useful. So one of the problems that we have
is we want to include pricing. We haven't traditionally included pricing. Yep. And we've
talked about this. I mean, going way back to the original like roadmap meeting for the Labs
website between me and Luke, we've talked about pricing, but it's not there yet, obviously.
But, and, and there's a big reason why a lot, we, like back when I was testing graphics cards,
every single time in the review, there would be price performance. It was the graph everyone
cared the most about. It was a graph that like we cared the most about. Yep. Now it's completely
irrelevant because the price, the MSRP is just meaningless. Yeah. Or it's not irrelevant information.
It's irrelevant for us to create that graph based on numbers that aren't real numbers. Yeah.
Numbers that are not going to be paying that price to buy the card. So it doesn't matter.
So we're like, okay, we can get MSRP on the site, but like, does that really solve anything?
So we're, we're working on, we have one of them right now, a store where they're sending us
their information. So we can see if it's in stock, price stuff like that. It's not on the
site yet, but we like API access today. We got that from one of them. Okay. And there's everyone
have that or like seems like most stores do, but not all of them. And is that something that we
have to like pay to access or like, what's the dealio seems like sometimes? Yes. Or is there
like a rate that's free and then over a certain amount, we're going to try to talk to people
because I suspect when we talk to people, it's going to be free. But I think by default,
most places that want that type of information are not like public info sites. Right. Okay.
There's something else. Okay. So anyways, we'll figure it out. But so far, it's been fine. It's
been free. But something we're wondering about is like, okay, cool. So we can have some store
information, but then it's going to be practically impossible. Like we have a global audience.
It's going to be practically impossible to include store information from every single store in the
world. So if we want to be able to build a price performance graph, which I would love to do,
like do we do like a bring your own price setup? Oh, interesting. Where like you could plug in,
because one thing that I like about that, and I'm wondering what you think about this, is
you could do that for old cards to then, because you could put in the used market price. And then
you could compare like a used market price 3090. Yeah. Based on your local market, like a listing
that you found, you could just plug this number in marketplace and then you can compare that against
maybe an MSRP card that is out right now and check the price performance based on those numbers.
Like is that is that interesting? Would you, if you think back to, I don't know, like NCIX era,
pre NCIX era Linus, I would use it so hard. If that's true, should we go that? I'd use it super
hard. I think we should school me, but it takes development time, right? So yeah, we have to
balance against like, what else could we do? I think we'd probably have to have both. I think
you'd have to have a default because realistically, something like depending on whether we're talking
creator warehouse or LTT, the US market is somewhere between 40 and 65% of our of our base,
right? So like us is you probably just default to USD, because it kind of works for any market
that derives pricing from USD MSRP as well, like Canada. Yeah. Like Canadian pricing for consumer
electronics is almost without, without exception, just US pricing times the exchange rate. There are,
there are industries that don't operate that way. Mobile phones, for instance, will have their own
Canadian MSRP sometimes game consoles. But when it comes to the IT industry, almost all of it is
purchased in US dollars. So it's just marked up from whatever the cost is in US dollars. That's
just how it works because almost all of it is imported through LA. McBain asks tariffs,
but tariffs are a completely separate conversation from that because
aren't tariffs usually slapped on in cart? Well, Canada doesn't have any tariffs on electronics
that are imported from China through the US. Yeah. So it wouldn't, it wouldn't matter. So
basically for the US and Canada, you would just have to convert to your own currency to get an
approximate idea of what the price to performance would be. For some, for stuff like Europe, man,
it gets really complicated though, because like they do include their taxes and their pricing and
like over here, we don't and okay, would the idea be potentially to try to have like at least one
store partner for like, you know, a few currencies? I want to have ideally like a bunch of them. Oh,
okay, okay. So this is not an or. So we are definitely going to have, because like, I mean,
the Labs website is like fairly likely to lose money forever, but we do want to have affiliate
links for people. So those would have to have store prices effectively. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure.
Well, no, they wouldn't have to. We have them, we have them already and we don't have store
prices. It would be way better. It would be better. It would be way better. So like it's in the
retailer's thing anyway. It's in a retailer's best interest for us to have a functioning affiliate
link. Yeah. And for us to have functioning stock and pricing. Yeah. Because effectively they win.
So we can already have functioning affiliate links, but people are clicking on them blind,
basically. Right, which is like stupid. It's not ideal. So, so that's, that's probably happening
anyways. You can't rely on scraping though. We're not planning on scraping. Yes.
We will never scrape anything. We are good boys. We definitely didn't already do that.
on like, well, what does the MSRP even mean though? Because you can't buy a car at MSRP.
That might be like true, but that's true right now. And that's also not true for a lot of other
verticals. It's mostly just a problem for GPUs. Yeah. I mean, you can buy a CPU for MSRP right
now. So we're making a site for more than just GPUs. Shraff2k asks, what about a calculator for
price to performance where you can put your local pricing? Yes. You're all caught up with the
conversation. What a great idea that we are in the middle of. I love that. That's fantastic. I
think this was, I think this was like Liam's idea or something on the, on the Labs web team. But
yeah, I think it's pretty sweet. There's, there's been a few other like interesting ideas on how we
can deal with like pricing stuff on the site because we're trying to, yeah, make it useful,
make it good. Angry Panda asks, why would you not scrape? Well, it's against the terms of service
to use the data on people's sites in ways that they don't authorize. Some of them. Not technically
all of them. Yeah, some of them though. Most I'd say. And you know, it's just, it puts additional
load on their server for non-human traffic that is in violation of their terms of service. So
if, for no other reason other than that, it's rude, we would never do it.
Fold by the different company.
Yeah. Linus Media Group would never do it.
Sorry. Something in there. Okay. Anyway. Yeah. No, that sounds super cool. I would just, I would
want it populated with something by default and then I'd want to have like an override. Okay, riddle
me this. Not sure how it would look. Could we, could we implement like, like a high low, high low
median of eBay sales prices? Because that would, I mean, that would tell us what is readily available
secondhand. We're still learning how to do a lot of this stuff. Like I'm talking about, oh, we got
it like a pricing thing today. It's super far from landing on the site because we're probably not
going to want to land it on the site with only one partner. So we're probably still waiting to go
through like communication negotiations with other partners. We also have to figure out like,
how we're going to lay this stuff out? Like if we show multiple stores for the price performance
thing, which might be a thing that we do, and we also make it so you can bring your own price,
and then we also make it so you have high low, medium for eBay, but then eBay is very like location
specific. This is starting to become the kind of thing that I'd want to like save my session for.
Yeah, like it starts getting like really like we're scope creeping, feature creeping the heck out
of it. So it's like, that might be cool, but then we're already like, again, we've never done this
stuff before. This is new to us. How about this? We're looking at all this data from, from even
these stores, and even the stores are really weird about how they list and label things sometimes.
Oh yeah, because marketplace and like, so you'll have something that's a better price,
but the shipping is like $45. We were, when we were looking at Amazon at one point,
I found a SSD listed under graphics cards with like the specs like smashed into each other,
sort of like some of them were GPU specs, some of them were like, you pull some really weird data out of there. So we have to try to figure out like how to
match this up with reviews on our site and all these other things. And like there's,
that I think it's more complicated when you go to somewhere like eBay. I would love to think that you could kind of crowdsource something like that, like the like
valid links to the right, the right part number. But then sometimes those things can change,
companies can rev stuff silently. And so all of a sudden that information becomes out of date,
not because anyone in the community did anything wrong or because our site did anything wrong,
but because there was just, there was a silent revision and nobody knows.
Yeah, it's interesting. There's, there's a lot of different ways we can approach it.
But I think this will be a, I think I would, in my perfect world, I would select my country
and then I would say I want to buy new. Even that, like, so just sorry to cut you off,
just even that, allowing country selection, we're now either excluding a ton of people
or we're scaling to an incredible number of stores to support right off the bat.
Well, we would start with one or two countries. Yeah. And then we would add as needed, but it's
just in terms of like how I configure my view, I'd want to select my country because otherwise
what are we even doing here? Right. And the US would probably be the default. Sure. So I'd want
to select my country, scrollable list of countries with the US like you normally have with like
keyboards and languages. Exactly. And then I'd probably want to go new, used, and then custom
checkboxes. No, this would be like a mode. Okay. New, used, and custom. So custom is bring your
own price. Yeah. Used is like eBay, Craigslist, whatever else. Yeah. And then new is just MSRP.
No, no is store pricing. Store pricing. Yeah. Would you have an MSRP option just to like
chip away at graphics cards? No. Just to make fun of graphics cards? What's the point? Yeah,
it's just like, it's useless. What's the buy it for now? Yeah, exactly. Would you show,
like what if, what if something is completely out of stock practically everywhere?
Would we have like a warning? I mean, almost nothing is, tell me something.
Tell me something. 5090. 5090. I'll find it in stock right now. I haven't checked at all. I have no idea.
But I mean, there will be a scenario where there are none. Okay. So if you have $5,000,
you can buy a 5090 right now. But you said new, right? That's new. But this is on eBay. So,
so does new include eBay? Because people aren't always truthful about new things on eBay.
Sometimes people sell pictures of things. I'm just, I'm just saying there's always out
price. So what we could do is we could return our, our best result, our closest match. Like I'm,
I'm willing to bet if I go on, uh, okay, here, let's, let's try Amazon.com. I bet there's like
a third party seller that has a 5090 for like $6,000 or whatever.
There we go. Add to cart. One left. $4,000. 5090. Boom.
I'm not saying you should buy it. I'm just saying you can.
That's such a yikes, dude. Was that, was that American Amazon?
Oh yeah. You better believe it, buddy. That is like,
wow, what does that, what does that actually work out to? So an additional $450 per thousand
dollars. So that is like a $6,000 Canadian dollar GPU. That is, that is going to cost
like over 10% of the median Canadian income for a GPU. If I recall correctly,
absurd median Canadian income.
A little under 10% wild, wild. Anyway, what are we supposed to be doing right now, Dan?
We do need to kind of turbo thrive. I think we're, we never finished that topic.
What one even was it even? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. No, there's not much more to say there. Okay.
Yep. Cool. I think five topics was fine. Yeah, maybe.
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prefers to, you know, put your finger like this, you might prefer the concave. If you're the person,
kind of person who wants to kind of palm it, then you might prefer the convex. I think,
what's the default? Is the default flat? I'm checking right now. Oh man, they've, well,
they've like changed all of these, I think. Yeah, but I'm checking the store listing. I think the
default is flat orange. Yeah, the default is flat orange. And then it also comes with a matte black
flat top one. So anyway, you got an end cap set for free. So not only do you get, oh wait,
you get a 10, oh yeah. So not only do you get a 10% discount or a $10 discount by purchasing
both a precision driver and a bit set. So that's for the combo. You also get another $10 value
with the end cap set. That's $20 of value. The deal is available now until Monday,
10 a.m. Pacific time and it will automatically apply if you have the precision screwdriver
bundle and end cap set to your cart. There's also some updates here. Quick Floatplane update.
Dan, do you want to bring that video up? Dan and Smash Champs general manager Jim Peng did
a little tour of the currently soft launched Smash Champs. It is now up as a Floatplane exclusive.
Dan may have struggled a little bit with the word, well, the name, Sisyphus. But other than that,
absolute banger. There you go. You can watch from 755 and stop after Sammy says,
one must imagine Dan happy. Do we have audio? Whatever that means.
Look, Sammy, I'm syphilis or whatever that guy says.
You can watch the rest of it at LMG.GG slash Floatplane. In other Floatplane goodness news,
Sarah whipped up a new design live on stream this week. With suggestions from the chat,
they've created Derpy Dino's volume one. And yes, it is exactly as adorable and silly as it sounds.
What am I looking at here? Do we get to see it? Wait, is this it? Oh, streams of Sarah art print
three. Streams of Sarah. Oh, there's a dry folder link that I don't have access to. Nice. Oh boy,
I bet I don't have access to it either. I do not have access. So cool. All right. I will throw
that on. Dan's working on it. Sarah's still doing some last minute touches like shading,
but the outline is final. And you can expect to see that by the end of March 31st. Also,
if you remember the content cosmos. Oh, that is super cute. They're not Derpy. They're exactly
the way God made them. Derpy. That's fantastic. Do they all feature bread or is it? I think
yeah, I think that's a cupcake a source over on the left there. Okay. And baguette a dactyl at the
top. Yep, I got that. There's a full plane in the back right. There's a I don't actually see any
bread on the like weird bird velociraptor. They're like gingerbread man. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Where? Just above the rock on the right. Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, no, I see those. I'm just wondering
about the bird raptor there. Yeah, the very bottom middle one. Unsure. Also is that,
is that little chicken and the egg in the bottom left like growing out of a loaf?
Oh, I don't know. Maybe. Unsure. The missing link. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's how that works.
Also, if you remember the content cosmos design she did in December,
the one with the very legally distinct Pyro Kitsune. That one's been remastered to take
better advantage of color usage for a poster. Oh my goodness, this looks flipping awesome.
What size is that? That is so cool. And oh my goodness, there's a shirt.
There's a color shirt. Oh, dude. Dude, that's fire. That is like actual fire. It's super cool.
Super cool design. Anyway, both the Derpy Dinos shirt slash poster and the content cosmos poster
are available until April 14th at LMG.gg slash streams with Sarah. And hey, just
to sweeten. That shirt isn't available though. Just to sweeten the deal, the very first print
of the poster is signed by Sarah, Dan and Sammy. And one random buyer is going to get it included
with their order. It's marked one of one on the back. Also, yes, by the way, Derpy Dinos will
get a remaster too. It's just taking a bit. Art takes time. It actually has a value because it
actually does take time. That's how these things work. Well, what? No, people think art should be
free. Do they? Yes. Okay. Dude. Okay. Tell you what. Hypothetical. Let's say someone,
maybe let's say YouTube content creator, released an app where you could buy wallpapers.
How mad would people be? Enraged. If they had to pay for wallpaper. Peaved.
Would it be a big scandal? There was other problems with it. Yeah, there were.
Just saying. However, there was a not zero number of people that were simply outraged at the idea
of paying for art. What's the current status of that? I have no idea. What was it called?
I have no idea. Panels or something? I have no idea. I almost immediately stopped caring about
it completely. Yeah. I have not changed the wallpaper on my phone in as long as I can remember.
I just use whatever is the default wallpaper and I give zero cares beyond that. I'm sorry,
I just can't care about it. It still exists. It currently has a rating of 4.7 stars. Hey,
there you go. How many reviews does it have? Almost 10,000. Wow. Okay. Well, then apparently,
it's doing great. Go panels. That's what it's called. Yeah. Panels. There you go. Panels. Way to go.
And do you want to come and merge messages? Oh, right. Yes. Merch messages. So if you buy any
merch, the best, something, no, wait. If you want to interact with the show, we don't do Twitch bits
or super chats or anything like that. The way we see it, if you're going to throw money at your
screen, you should get something in return. So we do merch messages. So all you got to do is head
over to LTTstore.com and find something you like, whether it's the precision screwdriver bundle
that we were talking about earlier, where you can get a free end cap set, or whether it's just one
of our recent products, like the reversible bomber jacket. Would you believe that this jacket
and this jacket are the same jacket? What? What? Just ones inside out? No way. Which one's inside
out? Oh, oh, oh, here's a debate. Dan. Yeah. Which one of them is inside out?
I think I know. Depends where the seams are. Which one's inside out? I think there's an answer.
Hold on. I've got one. I think the orange one's inside out. I was wearing mine today. I was wearing
mine today, so I have it. I think there's an answer. Okay. Which one? Which one is inside out?
I think the orange is technically the inside, because that's where the label is.
Because you haven't ripped it out yet, so you can still tell. Okay. Now which one's inside out?
Boom. Boom. Boom. I think it's still the orange, because the knowledge of the label originally
being. Permanent. Yeah. Yeah. I think the correct hack would be which side has the zipper
the right way, except that our garments are just random. Yep.
So that doesn't quite count. So the reason for that is that it's different in Commonwealth
and American countries, and in Canada, we're f***ed, man. We have no idea what's going on
in terms of imperial and metric and color with a U. Why not both? Color without a U.
Aren't we pretty solidly on color with a U? I regularly see Canadians spell it without a U.
Regularly. Fair enough. And most of our spell check is going to default to American English.
So it won't. I correct it all the time. No color, no neighbor. I'm like a little,
I care too much about that, and I suspect most people don't. Yeah. That makes sense.
Yep. I get it. I get it. So anyway, that wouldn't work for that. The answer is that there is no
answer. The point is, all you got to do to send a merch message to interact with the show is pick
something up on lttstore.com. Like say, for example, our terminally online hoodie. Get it.
Boop. And then you will get in your cart a little box for a merch message. Look at that. We are
live. I would like my purchase to appear as a merch message. So you can go ahead and send a little
message and it will go to producer Dan. Ooh. Is that what they sound like? It will go, yeah,
that's what they sound like. It will go to producer Dan, who will throw it down there or respond to
it himself or curate it for me and Luke to respond to. So Dan's going to show you guys how the
curated ones work. Sure. Get me Dan. Get me here from Drew. Hey, DLL. Do any of you or anyone at LMG
have plans to attend NAB this year? I've been wanting to go since 2019, but I've finally managed
to pull together the money to go this year. I think we are sending a contingent to NAB.
One or two at the very least. We don't really cover the show. We've done it a couple of times,
but the truth is it just plain doesn't perform on our channel. The overlap between camera geeks
and tech geeks is there, but they, I don't know, they kind of, they kind of float in different
orbits and we just don't find that it performs the way that, you know, we would need it to to
justify the cost of attending a show like that as you pointed out so well. It's not free to go to
NAB. We have had, we have had times when we've attended just to like see what's coming down the
pipe, but. That sounds like a saying. It's not free to go to NAB. Yeah, I don't think it's going to
catch on. No. I'm not planning to go, but I always like, you know, reading the news about what comes
out of there. Have you been? I have never been to NAB. Yeah, me neither. There's often cool stuff,
like there was, what's their nuts? I think like ASUS had a modular display there one year,
and then I think, yeah, hey, what happened to that? We were supposed to like get our hands
on it or something, and then that just never materialized. Maybe that didn't end up being a
real product. All right. Next. Hey, LLDD. Have you thought about doing a WANathon, a 12-hour
stream with guests and you all just playing video games? If I'd personally watch the VOD three times
just to add to the views. No, I don't think I have ever thought about doing a WANathon.
Don't do that. Don't actively sit there and watch WANSHOW three times, please.
They can if they want. No. It's a free country. No. Go outside. They could do it outside. Okay,
if you're going to do that, fair enough. Fair enough. My God. Oh, man. Imagine watching 12 hours
of WANSHOW and for two-thirds of it having heard everything before. Man, I feel like the quality
would really go down after the natural ending of WANSHOW because we don't have a hard end to WANSHOW.
No. It just ends when we have somewhere to be or we run out of stuff to talk about that
we feel is interesting enough. That's why sometimes it ends abruptly where I'm just like,
all right, well, see you next week. Yeah, because sometimes the near the ending might actually
feel like the highlight of the show, but once we're out of gas, we're pretty out of gas,
so it's time to go. Yeah, and we'd legitimately have to really make certain people very angry
and eat on the show if we're going for 12 hours. There's no way I could survive. I'm already hungry.
Yeah. I've been exercising more again lately though, so I think that's a big part of why.
That makes sense. And I've only eaten borscht for the last two days. Every once in a while,
my aunt does like a giant batch of borscht and brings it over to my house with like a giant
loaf of sourdough and then I just eat nothing but that for until it's gone. Oh, dude, I love
me some borscht. Ukrainian style. Ukrainian style. I didn't know there was a difference,
but I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure there's a difference. I'm pretty sure.
Borscht. Borscht. There's always a batch of what, so I just repeated it. Borscht.
Borscht. It's the world's most polarizing soup stew thing. Is it? People either love it or hate it.
I don't think I've ever found someone who's kind of tepid on borscht. I mean, feel free to let me
know, guys. Maybe the worst word in existence, or at least the ugliest yuck. It's the best.
It's yum. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. There you go. All right. What are we supposed to be
talking about? Ah, yes. It can happen to anyone. Yeah. Okay. You're trying to spin this as a good
thing. So why don't I get through the topic and then you can explain your indefensible position.
You will agree with me. Have I,
have I been pwned creator and Microsoft regional director Troy Hunt has been pwned. In a blog post
earlier this week, Hunt revealed on Tuesday that he had fallen victim to a phishing attack in the
form of a fake error email that purported to be from MailChimp that stole approximately 16,000
records from his MailChimp mailing list, including the email addresses of both active and lapsed
subscribers. He realized his mistake almost immediately, but before he could change his
password, the automated attack had exported his mailing list and created new API key, which
if it had gone unnoticed would have given the attacker persistent access to Hunt's MailChimp
account. Hunt notes that MailChimp does not offer a phishing resistant to FA option and that the
attack site simply relayed his one-time password as soon as he entered it. Jb Jordan Block adds,
the entire blog post is an interesting read, though many of the concerns he has about MailChimp's
data retention can probably be answered with because spam laws. Okay. That makes sense,
that's interesting. Luke's take on this is that it's a good thing. Go. The phishing,
the have I been pwned guy got phished. There's always, I mean, you've had multiple experiences
with this. There's always when, when somebody gets pwned, when somebody gets pwned, there's always
the like, oh, but like, he doesn't know that. I would have noticed or whatever. And it's like,
yeah, you know, in this case, you might have, but you also don't know the exact scenario that the
person was in. You don't know. What was he in the middle? Was he tired? I think it was. I read his
blog post, but I read it earlier this week. He said something. I don't actually remember what it was,
but like it to me, it's like the reason why I don't even remember is because it's not even like
super particularly relevant because everybody's got their thing. Like most cases that I know of,
and it's not ubiquitous, but most cases that I know of, when somebody does get phished or whatever,
it's because they're, I don't know. They're checking their phone while they're being driven
somewhere or they're having a conversation with someone. You were barbecuing. Like there's some
amount of distraction. There's something going on. I was in the middle of like a bar, a family
barbecue. You probably Troy, many other people, they're not, they get too many emails to be
fully paying attention to every single one they ever receive and like pixel peeping every letter.
Like it's, it's just not really going to happen. So I think this is a pretty good counter to the
like, oh, but it wouldn't happen to me. It happened to Troy freaking hunt. So your argument is that
it will help de-stigmatize getting pwned and making it so that we talk about it more,
which will spread awareness of pondness. Yeah. And a lot of the comments that I've seen so far
are actually like, oh, wow, it happened to him. Cool. Which I think is like a good takeaway from
this is like, yeah, I mean, it happened to him and I wouldn't shame him for it. The stuff happens.
And like we have, I mean, we have training now here and all this other kind of stuff.
It's still possible that it could happen to us. Hopefully the training and whatnot will reduce
the amount of times that it happens by making people more aware, but you're never going to be
100% on the ball all the time. Now, if someone here fails, they're, they're
training like multiple times or they make mistakes multiple times and it's the same person,
then that starts to be like, okay, like you need to take this more seriously.
Because we're going to send out like fishing tests again, we did one, we're going to do more in the
future. And if the same person keeps coming up, that's a red flag. But if you make like one mistake,
ideally it's on one of the tests and then you don't make a mistake again and then we're golden.
But yeah, I don't know. I was so ready. I was so ready. I wasn't even going to say it,
then I saw your hand cue up for it and I was like, I'm in. I'm totally in. Dive for the content.
Yeah. So ultimately, I mean, it wasn't a good thing that those people's emails linked. It wasn't
like those things are good. That sucks. Of course, but it like looking at how many times this stuff
happens, the chance of those people's emails, uh, leaking, um, I mean, somewhere they could lose a
lot more than just their emails. 23 and me has filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. 23 and
me holding co is attempting to facilitate a sale by filing for chapter 11. The company was briefly
valued at $6 billion in 2021, but has more recently been valued at 50 million after
failing to turn a profit after all this time. Co-founder and CEO and Wachicki.
Wachicki? I've never heard it pronounced like that. I always heard it Wachicki when it was
YouTube. Is it the same spelling? No, they're sisters or worse sisters. RIP Susan.
Ann announced her immediate resignation and is making an independent bid for the company.
The company intends to keep operating through bankruptcy proceedings and says that customer
access to data and subscriptions won't be affected. But will it though? Won't it though? Yeah, but won't
it though? Man, I am so freaking not happy about being right that entrusting your genetic information
to some Silicon Valley startup is not going to work out and I freaking called it. Hard to.
I've got a lot of pushback. I'm still extremely upset with a relative of mine for selling me and
the rest of our entire family from now until forever down the river for what out of idle
curiosity that it's such a stupid f**king reason to do that. I don't blame anyone who didn't know,
but in this case, I explicitly laid out why it's a terrible, terrible idea and was ignored.
That's different. The Verge has a great guide on how to delete your 23andMe data, so I would
recommend you guys check that out. And our discussion question here is if you were the
new owners of 23andMe, what would you do to become profitable? And I think that's the,
that's, I guess I kind of jumped to the end of that conversation when I said, hey, all this data
is effectively just, it's out there now. Because the first thing that I would do if I was trying to
make 23andMe profitable and I was unscrupulous is I just sell the data, sell it to the highest bidder,
give access to insurance companies, give access to, I mean, yeah, insurance companies are the ones
that would probably be most interested in it. Because a lot of this information is useful for
the entire family. And I've heard, dude, I've heard a, I've heard a ton of Americans in our chat
being like, they're not allowed to, they're not allowed to use that for coverages. Dude,
insurance companies are already using information that they're like not allowed to use when it
comes to evaluating how much to charge you for things. Like, it's just a matter of when and
how they're going to be busted and whether your watchdogs are going to have any kind of
teeth to fight back when it happens, which right now is not looking good, quite frankly. So, yeah,
this blows, this absolutely blows. And to be clear, I don't care that 23andMe is going under.
I just think this really sucks for the families of people who gave data to this company and are now
able to be exploited. It sucks.
Yeah, this is interesting. GM wasn't allowed to show your driving data, but did without consent to
your actual insurance provider. And that data is permanently housed in third-party databases
that all insurance companies have access to. There's precedent for this stuff.
Yeah, oh, 100%. If you disagree with me, you're actually wrong. So, cool. Yeah.
Enjoy being wrong, though. I mean, some people like it. Some people like it a lot.
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Alright, so I didn't expect this, but Buildzoid uploaded an apology video last week,
and I was very surprised. Basically, what he said is, hey, I wasn't wrong in my criticism of
the way that Linus Tech Tips presented their information about the combining of the 12-volt
pins on the non-Founders Edition 5090s, but what was wrong and not cool was just the aggressive tone
it was unnecessary, it was uncalled for, and I want to be better. And I guess here's what I have to
say, maybe the original video was clout-chasey. If it was, I don't care. Because nothing is
irredeemable and a simple apology and retraction is all I have ever asked of anyone. In that spirit,
then, I could have brought my concerns to Buildzoid directly as well, rather than talking about it on
WENSHOW. I could have made my case that it felt like a bad faith move for him to criticize in
public before reaching out. I could have said that, I didn't. And I'm sorry for that as well.
I think we can all do better. And I don't know, I guess for my part, I'm feeling just so done
with this whole thing where I get shots taken at me and I get held to the standard of perfection
in public that I never set for myself, that I never set for anyone else. But my baggage here is not
his fault. That's not his problem. And I got to say, his refreshing willingness to take responsibility
for his demeanor when his critique- It was deep and extensive.
When his critique wasn't wrong, right? Yeah.
But still taking accountability for just being kind of a d*** about it, though, has restored
some of my faith in the ability of the technology to work together. I was thinking of his critique not being wrong. I was happy that in the video,
he pointed out that he wasn't going to not critique in the future. Yeah, sure. Which is like, cool. Yeah.
That's fine. We don't want to be wrong. Yeah. So like, yeah, I would rather you correct it so that we're not wrong.
I would like to update things so that we're not wrong. Yeah, we want to continue to be less wrong as time goes on.
Everyone should want to be like, that's the whole idea with scientific things, right?
Is that other people look at it and question it and come back at you?
So like, we do want that. That is good. And like, yeah, I don't know. I'll leave it there.
Yeah. So as far as I'm concerned, water 100% under the bridge.
Yeah. I'd love to have opportunities to work together in the future.
And, you know, everyone who speculated under his video that it had anything to do with us
sending any kind of legal threat or anything like that. No, not at all. You can go f*** yourself because...
I don't think we had any direct communication. No, of course not. Yeah. I don't know, dude. I'm so tired of people making assumptions about us.
What if someone was kind of a d*** and realized they were kind of a d*** and they shouldn't?
And then they apologized. It was really cool. And then what if the person that they were kind of a d*** to
realized that they were kind of a d*** too and was like, hey, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that.
And then what if they found a way to like work together and that was just cool for everyone?
Beast, beast, beast. Yeah. What if it was just, what if the world was just actually that simple
and actually that healthy? What? No.
I know. Not allowed. I know. Anyway, so I thought I was like blown away.
I braced so hard. So hard. You didn't message me at all. You just...
Google shared me on a doc. It's like something, something, apology.
And I was like, oh, no.
I'm ready to go and then I open it.
I'm like, oh. Yeah. It's chill. Oh, okay. Yeah. Everything's chill.
Yeah. Cool. We don't have to collab.
And just to clarify, not only did I not threaten any kind of legal action to build Zoid,
I have made it very clear many times in the past.
I am not a litigious person and I have never sued anybody.
Yeah. So we weren't, we weren't going to do that in the first place. Yeah. Cause that's like, because it's...
Obviously the wrong move. Stupid. Yeah. It's like actually stupid.
I think even, even on like a strictly like corporate hat on sense,
and I'm going to back you up on this a little bit. I think this ties into the whole backpacks thing a little bit,
like not taking care of people if they had backpack problems
would have just had the community turn on us immediately. Well, yeah, of course.
And go, like going after, so for something like this legally,
everyone would just hate us immediately. Yeah. Because yeah.
Well, they hate us for doing it even though we didn't do it. Yeah.
How dare you do this thing that I made up that you did?
What are you even talking about? I don't, I don't actually think a lot of people know why they hate me.
It's, it's far to something to do. I guess. Cut down the tall stock or whatever that.
Weird hobby, dude. That's a weird hobby.
Something to do. Dan laughs like you haven't heard of some hobbies.
Oh, I was laughing at your cutting down the tall stock. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Oh, wait. That's a good reason to hate Linus.
I thought that's what you said. That's what I was like. That is what I said, but I didn't mean it as like his actual height.
Speaking of d***s. I was also talking about the clothes too.
You went there. Oh my God. I thought you did.
No. It's my bad. That's really mean. He's very sensitive about his immunity status.
Why don't we talk about it?
Why don't we talk about some AI things this week? I wasn't even talking about the clothes either.
I was, oh man, whatever. It's fine.
See, fun hobby.
Oh, yeah. Let's talk about some AI things this week.
NVIDIA is rolling out Project Geassist.
It's AI assistant that can run locally on your GPU.
And it was apparently named after the company's fake AI assistant
from their April Fool's joke in 2017.
I remember that. Oh, yeah. I still have one of these because I thought these were so cool.
These were really cool actually. Yeah, the little USB, the little USB drive.
This video is great. Yeah, this was awesome.
That's super cool. A lot of their April Fool's jokes have been, this isn't one, I don't think,
but a lot of their April Fool's jokes have actually been fantastic.
Running locally on your NVIDIA GPU, Geassist can do normal AI stuff like answer questions,
but it can also control some third-party accessories through API integrations
and change some performance-related settings instead of just telling you how to do that.
That means that somehow NVIDIA made a more useful AI assistant for Windows than Microsoft.
Wow. Good job. If only you could afford a GPU that used it.
In other AI news that's actually worth mentioning, character.ai has announced a parental controls feature
in the wake of a 14-year-old user.
Wow. Unaliving themself after being encouraged to do so
by one of the company's bots.
That's another one. In addition, shortly after this incident,
multiple bots impersonating the deceased 14-year-old
had to be taken off the platform.
Is this, did the incident happen a while ago,
or is this new? Because I know this happened a while ago.
No, in the wake of. I don't know if this is new. It's okay, so this is hopefully not new.
I didn't look. The new feature is called parental insights
and lets users under 18 send a weekly activity report
to their parent or guardian. If they want to, they're never going to.
Kids can enable the report in their account preferences which we'll share.
You know how that works. Their daily average time spent on the platform, the top characters they interacted with,
and the amount of time they spent with each character.
Character.ai says this is a first step in providing parents with information about their kids' use of the server.
Why wouldn't you just take- Start with putting the parental controls
on the parent's side. That's the first step.
That's stupid. Yeah, like if you're the kind of kid that's like voluntarily being like,
yes, I would like to send a usage report to my parents. That's not the kind that we need this for.
My goodness. Okay, in other news, Nintendo.
This is cool adds family sharing to switch digital libraries.
In an uncommon W consumer friendly move by Big Red,
Nintendo is allowing players to more easily share games
across multiple systems that are logged into the same
Nintendo account with a virtual game card that can be ejected and then loaded.
Game cards, whoa, can also be lent to different accounts
in the same Nintendo family group. In order to lend a virtual game card,
both consoles need to be connected to the same network and internet during the sharing process
and the lendy to the internet for the initial game launch.
Wait, what? What? And the- So the first time they load the game.
Oh, has to be connected to the internet for the initial game launch.
After that, the borrowed license will last for 14 days
without requiring internet access. And then I wouldn't be surprised if you could do it again.
That is so- I think what they're saying is you could use it mobily for 14 days,
so you could be on other networks for 14 days. That is so cool.
That's actually like pretty sick. So when I chat, I said thanks, Gaben, and honestly,
sometimes I like to dunk on Steam because people are like too nice to Steam sometimes,
but I think that's fair. I think this is going to put a ton of pressure on Microsoft and Sony too.
Yeah. Like that's been a huge thing. I mean, we made a whole video about it earlier.
Last year, where we talked about digital versus physical games
and the whole resale and lending, being a huge plus for physical games.
But this changes the calculus quite a lot because most people,
I mean, you're still not able to sell them, so there's still room to improve.
But most people that I would lend a game to
are people that I could pretty easily be on the same Wi-Fi as.
That's super cool. This seems like it'd be pretty easy to fake.
Just saying. Yeah. Like trivially easy to pretend to be on the same network.
But you're right. But yeah, most people won't. Very cool.
Do you think that this is less to do with Valve and more to do with Nintendo recognizing
that they have real competition in the handheld space now?
Including Valve. Because remember that, but also including piracy of their own games.
Mmm. Because remember, one of the biggest deterrents for pirates
is making legitimate ownership better. Yes, you're in better. Yeah.
That's why movie piracy is coming back. Our discussion question here is,
have you ever had a hard time getting a digital game to work on a secondary switch?
I have while traveling. The plane ride sucked. F you passed Nintendo and thank you current Nintendo.
Okay, who did this topic? I don't even know who wrote that. I don't know what that means.
I also don't know what that means. The digital game worked on a secondary switch.
Yeah, they couldn't get it working on their secondary switch.
I didn't know that was a thing at all. I only have one switch, so I didn't either.
Yeah. But apparently it is. Okay.
Canada is freezing rebates being paid to Tesla
and barring them from any future rebate programs.
Yeah. This is after Tesla filed an unbelievable
number of EV rebate claims, including almost $20 million Canadian
from over 4,000 auto sales at one Quebec City dealer
in a single weekend. I actually, I saw an article about this
where someone did the math for like how many cars they would have had to sell.
It was like a certain amount of cars per minute. Yeah, it was like every two minutes
they would have had to sell a car. And there's like just no way that happened.
Yeah, ridiculous. So the Canadian federal government has frozen
43 million Canadian dollars in rebate payments.
Until each claim is individually investigated and determined to be valid.
Transport Canada has also been directed to change the eligibility requirements
for future rebate programs to ensure that Teslas no longer qualify
while the illegitimate and illegal U.S. tariffs are imposed against Canada.
Fascinating. Oh man, it's, we are, we are headed for very interesting times.
Isn't it so cool being in a trade war?
No. I love it.
I mean. Other things that I love include YouTube tests turning off channel notifications
for overwhelmed users.
YouTube says it's running a small experiment in which it turns off notifications
to certain channels of users subscribed to. The company says the test will impact viewers
who are subscribed to a channel and have set notifications for that channel
to all yet haven't recently interacted with those notifications.
Actively engage users with push notifications enabled will continue to receive them.
YouTube wants to prevent users from turning off all notifications
from the YouTube app entirely, which may, which they may often do
when they've opted to receive all notifications from many channels.
YouTube would prefer users to update their channel specific preferences
in the app instead, but they were never going to do that.
So here we are. YouTube says channels that upload infrequently
will not have their notifications affected, although it didn't specify what qualifies
as infrequently. YouTube is, of course, interested in taking measures
that will encourage user engagement, but it also says that users choosing
to disable notifications entirely can negatively impact creators.
Discussion question is, where do you draw the line in terms of the actions platforms
can take to protect their metrics? Does disabling notifications for specific channels
count as a platform change or interfering with user autonomy?
What user autonomy? I mean, YouTube's been fully algorithmic
for years and years and years at this point. So long. I honestly thought they already did this.
Yeah, I was surprised to read that this was news.
So I guess that's all I really have to say about that. Why don't we flip over to After Dark?
Yeah. It does annoy me a little bit because I wonder how they measure this.
Because I... You know what annoys me? The fact that I have land gaming to do
and you're dragging out this last topic. One small additional thing to say.
I don't really like watching YouTube on my phone,
so I'll sometimes use it as a notification engine,
but I'll swipe it away and then go watch that video later on my desktop.
Interesting. Fascinating. Okay, now it's time for After Dark.
Hey Linus, a while ago I got a survey due to an LTT purchase on when you said
you disagree with it fundamentally, but you are acquiescing to the team.
Do you have any outcomes or thoughts about any of this?
Yeah, so the part that I fundamentally disagreed with was how much we paid for it.
It was really expensive. Yeah.
I don't remember the exact amount, but it was with like a fancy...
Do you want to just tell them? No. Oh, okay.
Yeah, go away. We're not always transparent. What now?
I'm curious. Fight me. You don't know it?
Yeah, I don't remember. Yeah, you can't get out of me. Nice try.
What a weird thing to get aggressive about. It was so much.
Yeah, it was a lot of money. It was definitely more than $10,000.
I don't remember how much it was.
Yeah. Okay, well...
The point is that I felt a lot of the things
that we were asking were things that were
fairly easily ascertainable by just looking at
past sales data and looking at customer profile data
that we kind of have from just our YouTube viewers.
However, the argument that was made to me was that our YouTube demographics are not necessarily identical
to our Creator Warehouse demographics, and that if we ever want to have any hope of growing
beyond our current customer base,
we should work to understand things about them
other than that they watch LTT. And so I basically said, okay,
maybe there's something useful that we obtained from it.
I think that at some point in that conversation, I basically said, okay, well, yeah, I'll write the check,
but I would like us to define what success for this is,
and I'd like to see if it was successful. I don't know if I ever...
I don't know. It's possible I saw that.
I don't remember seeing it. So maybe it was good, and maybe it was stupid.
ScrappyDP says,
you don't get to make those decisions anymore. You are right.
I mean, I do get to make decisions about which checks I sign. I actually do get to make decisions about that.
Yeah, in that case, that is a yes. Yeah, even at the very highest level,
and I'm talking Taryn and me, we have checks and balances for how much you can spend
without talking to somebody. Talking to somebody, right?
Like the only person in the company who could spend a literally unlimited amount of money
without talking to someone is Yvonne, and she wouldn't.
She's so cheap. I don't mean cheap in like her last name kind of way.
I mean like...
I don't. I mean like she's frugal.
Dan, quick, change the subject. Yeah.
Okay, yeah, sure. Hi, DLO. How do you go about weighing cost of new systems
versus the benefits? We have the opportunity to use a fantastic progressive new tool,
but there's pressure to save money and use a subpar tool.
Sometimes it can make sense. Oh, man, there's a lot of intangibles though.
Yeah, I mean it was asked to all of us. Okay, what I would say is sometimes it can make sense
to use the cheaper tool, but something you have to measure is like
what loss is there? What other loss is there from using the cheaper tool?
Because sometimes it's not worth it. And losses are not always measurable. Like they're not always in terms of money.
Like you can have someone using an old 5x4, 1280x1024 LCD,
and they could probably do their job, but are they going to like jump at the next opportunity
to move somewhere else? Maybe it's like worth it to just give them an ultrawide.
Right? Like that's such a simple example, but there's so many things that are like that.
I think a lot of the time the best way to answer it is through talking to people.
Like if Creator Warehouse came to me and said,
you know, hey, we really want a lathe.
Okay, I'd be like, okay, a lathe is this many dollars.
If I told you you can only have this many dollars,
would you still spend it on a lathe? I can afford this many dollars.
Sure. So that's not the conversation. Is there anything else you'd rather have
and that would impact your productivity and your happiness more?
You know, tell me about that. Tell me about the pros and cons
so we can make a decision together. I mean, collaboration and communication
is almost always the answer.
It's just that humans, in spite of our brains being evolutionarily advantaged for those things,
still kind of suck at it. Sometimes you just want to do the lizard thing.
Yeah, lizard brain, let's go. Yeah, but I mean like you said communication and collaboration.
Air table is a decent example. It's not the cheapest option. Sure.
But we're trying to go for it because we think it'll be a very significant improvement.
I think it will, the amount per user that we're paying, I think will be easily covered in the like time
and issue savings that we'll have from running it. So at that point it's like.
Whereas the same company might have made a different decision 10 years prior.
10 years prior I would have said I don't have time to figure this air table thing out.
The very cost. There was no way we would have done it. The very cost of figuring out how to use it
would not even be worth it, let alone the ongoing cost of running it,
use a Google Sheet. Especially at the scale that we were at. Yeah.
Like we didn't have the same type of problems. Well, yeah, but to a much smaller degree.
Crystal says you technically can make those decisions.
I technically can't back to the approval limits.
I literally don't even know where the checkbook is.
I would have to talk to someone to know where it is. It's not that I couldn't,
it's not that I couldn't have a conversation with Yvonne and go, hey, I need to be able to spend money
in a moment's notice without you knowing anything about it.
I don't think that would like, I think she'd be like, why? And that would be, I wouldn't have a good reason for that.
Especially with the precedent of that never being required. Yeah, yeah.
But no, I literally cannot spend unlimited amounts of money
without any, without anybody else knowing about it.
All right. Okay, next.
With the current turbulent quotes economy, what do you think of hardware startups doing crowdfunding
instead of seeking traditional venture capitalist investment?
For example, crowdfunding a prosumer version of your product?
I think that it's, I mean, it's the same trade-offs
that crowdfunding has always brought, right? You are essentially asking for like venture capital
and you're not giving up any equity. So, you know, from a company standpoint,
I totally understand why you want to do that.
You'd want to do that every time. But from an investor standpoint,
and I use that term extremely loosely because you will not get a return.
You have not made an investment. There is basically no advantage.
You are extremely disadvantaged and you will,
you know, maybe get something that is really great.
I'm trying to think of like a Kickstarter that turned out great.
Like, okay, I and Neo did some cool kick starters like way back in the day, or maybe you will get something
that is like kind of what you thought it would be,
but ultimately disappoints like a Jibo.
Or maybe you will get nothing like Luke's Cole Hammer.
You have no way of knowing. So, what do I think about it? I think you shouldn't buy that,
but I totally understand why companies are into it, right?
Oh, are you asking like if we would do that?
EG, crowdfunding a prosumer version of your product.
I could see us crowdfunding something at some point,
but we wouldn't do it on anything where we don't have an extremely high degree of confidence
that we can bring it to market. And we also are also just like funded
by our daily operations and cash flow.
So, at the end of the day, if it like didn't work out
with the money that we raised through crowdfunding, we would just push it over the line.
So, I just don't, I don't know.
I'm not gonna say never, but especially given the way
that I've advocated against pre-ordering, I don't see how we could really like
a prosumer version of our product. Like if it was a variant, I don't know.
Yeah, like I could see us crowdfunding like a version of a backpack.
I was gonna say Luxe backpack. Yeah, yeah. Okay, there are things where I could see it making sense
where there's just- Would it be crowdfunding though, or would it be like pre-sale almost?
Yeah. But that's what a lot of crowdfunding campaigns are, right?
Is there essentially just gauging interest
so you produce the right number of them so you don't overstock or understock, right?
Maybe NVIDIA should crowdfund their GPUs.
So, they produce enough of them. Just an idea.
Scam. All right, let's see.
What else? What's your advice to balance a time-consuming
or demanding job, but not sacrificing time for family or yourself on a daily basis?
Set boundaries for your job. That's the only answer.
You know, try to waste less time commuting.
It's really important to me. I commuted like almost two hours each way
when I was in school. And then I commuted like 45 minutes each way
when I worked at NCIX for the first little while. And then I think it was down to like 35
once I moved in with Yvonne. But it was too much.
I'm quite a bit less than that now. Still feels like too much.
And as much as it's a huge decision to like move,
if you're really secure in your workplace, I would say that's one way to gain back time every day
is to spend less time commuting. You might also be able to talk about like hybrid work.
Like maybe you can work from home partially. That's another way to cut down on your commute.
Other than that, yeah, that's about it.
You're just going to have to set boundaries. And you're going to have to recognize
that setting boundaries may have consequences
that you aren't happy with. Like depending on your workplace,
you may get passed up for a promotion for someone who just like puts in 12 hours a day.
And you may kind of go, well, like I can't do that.
And your boss might not care.
And that just might be what happens. And I'm not saying that's right.
I'm not saying it should be like that. I'm not saying that that's fair.
But it is. So yeah.
Yeah, when looking at places to live, I don't know, especially around here,
having some pretty fat commutes to be able to get cool places
is very attractive until you like break down. Like, okay, that's how many hours a week am I driving?
How many hours is that a month? How many hours is that a year?
Once I've lived here for five years. How many hours in my life to drive my car?
Dang. Yeah.
Hey, Narcissist doesn't know and Dan, love your stuff and your tech video side projects.
What's the difference between the blank and Labs blank t-shirt?
I can't figure it out from the product pages. One of them is a shirt.
And one of them is a shirt that we have to sell enough of
to register our trademark.
Did we? Nice. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a good shirt.
Just, it just says Labs in the back.
Like literally it's not even visible on the outside of the shirt. Totally blank.
I get such a kick out of it. I saw another one of these recently when people are like,
yeah, I would love to buy your merch, but I just don't, you know, I don't like really prominent branding on stuff.
And I'm like, what the f*** are you talking about? Like, what even is this?
What are you talking about? Well, this one has circle on the back.
Barely. No, it's a lot. Oh, never mind. That's not okay.
No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, we don't do logos. This was unfortunately a very bad example.
Ignore that. Ignore that. Okay, fine. How about the one I'm wearing then?
Yeah, there's just a little tiny logo there. And honestly, most of the shirts that I wear
doesn't even happen in the back. Practically nothing. And I mean, we also sell blanks and have for like a long time.
I saw someone complain. Not tall ones. I saw someone complain that the commuter bag ignored.
Oh yeah. Like was branded. What are you talking about?
You literally couldn't find a bag on earth that has more subtle branding than our commuter backpack.
Get real. All right. Hi, three wise guys.
What's the deal with the RGB shirts? I'm an autistic person and they are the one of the few shirts
that I can consistently wear all the time. I need more. They're getting threadbare.
I don't know. You might want to forward this one to the CW team and maybe they can get an answer.
I cannot. My tall shirts are getting threadbare.
They're not. They're actually not. Oh, you can't do that? They've not checked the box.
So I will do it manually. Oh, okay.
All right. Linus, would you think of selling your precision bits
individually instead of as sets? I broke one in a needle replacement.
Yes. We've wanted to do individual bits
ever since we launched the original screwdriver.
The logistics of maintaining accuracy with little bits,
like little bits, is really hard.
And we haven't gotten there yet. We've just had so much more pressing fish to fry.
I really, really, really want to do it. In the meantime, reach out to customer service
and maybe they can arrange something one off for you. But I'm not promising anything.
All right, Linus, I was wondering if you have any background experience with the program?
Nope. Nothing? Nope. What if you had time?
Well, here's the thing. Time equals money.
I have money. So therefore, I do have time.
But that's other people's time. So if I needed something programmed, what would I do?
I don't have literal time, like this kind, but I can buy time.
I remember having this conversation with a buddy of mine
who runs another badminton center in the Lower Mainland, like years ago, and he was giving me a hard time
about spending way too much on something. And he's like, and I'm like, look,
money, yes, time, no. So that's why I made the decision I made.
What the thing? Dude, he says that to me like every f***ing time I see him now.
Money, yes, time, no. Oh, yeah, Linus, you look. Money, yes, time, no.
Why do I even talk to you, man?
Yep. Anyway, yes, the CEO PC is still deployed Jacob framework.
And Floatplane chat, of course it is. We don't.
That's the thing. I get called a liar all the time. It's so weird and chaotic every time I go into his office.
He has this crazy. Blown up computer. Yeah.
I loved it though. But we just like, oh wait, we didn't talk about honey, says Jack Logan.
I don't think he ended up in the dock. You're right, it never ended up in the dock. So one of the co-founders of Honey did an AMA this week
and basically outlined that Megaleg's video was
aside from not being entirely in good faith,
which was pretty obvious to us, and aside from being old news, which was pretty obvious to us.
That was very true. Given that a lot of what he talked about
was stuff that had been covered by videos years prior. So maybe that was what he meant by a multi-year investigation
was that someone else had made a video about it years ago
and he finally watched it. Aside from all that, it appears and I,
I look, I'm not going to get between them on this.
I'm just annoyed that I got dragged into it at all because the whole thing is ridiculous.
But basically he outlined a very compelling case
for how Megaleg doesn't appear to have been entirely forthright
and appears to have gone with an overly negative
conspiratorial conclusion that is at best not well supported
by the data that he collected. I haven't read this thing at all, so I can't comment.
Yeah, I read the whole thing.
Yeah, so cool.
And really my question is how many times do I have to turn out
to not be the asshole for that to stop being the narrative?
It doesn't seem to matter. At least at a minimum one more.
At least once more. And then that time it will be at least one more time again.
What's that, what's that reference? That's a, that's a, that's a reference.
I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
Disturbed freak says, Luke, you're looking bored. Surely you're not tired already.
I woke up at like five today. Nice.
But I'll be fine. Nice. I can't wait to see what happens with all the performative lawsuits about it.
Yeah. Yeah, whatever. Yeah.
Like everyone like asking why I'm not saying because I'm not.
Man, it's really interesting how little traction this thing got.
Oh, I know. It's amazing how little traction the, it turns out that the explosive
allegations weren't true gets like amazing the amount of damage that can be done
by a bunch of assumptions and how utterly impossible it is to undo the damage.
It's really frustrating. I got one more for you here.
Are you still a comment? It just makes me want to, it just makes me want to actually give some,
give people something to be angry about. Like what, what could I do? What could I do?
We could do Linus coin. You could do anything. Really?
The, the AMA guy. I took that as permission.
Really? Anything. No, people need jobs.
Especially right now. Well, I mean, that would cause outrage.
What? Have you just dissolved the company?
That would be pretty good. That would be a good one. That would be excellent. Yeah.
I could do it live. I could live stream myself like joyfully terminating everyone.
Wow. Like one at a time. You didn't have to add joy. Oh, wow. Oh yeah.
Like no, I'd have to be like enthusiastic about it.
Yeah. I think that would pretty much trash my reputation forever.
Then again, it doesn't, nothing seems to matter anymore. Someone out there would be like, that's based.
That's based. Yeah. It's like, why is, why is being an asshole cool?
There will be at least one person on your side. Why is being a dick to people cool?
It's not. Why do, why do we treat it like it's a good thing?
It's not. I don't know. You should like be a reasonable human and engage in good faith.
Negativity is attractive. Why? I don't know because we're humans.
Big ape monkey leader of tribe.
He said thing.
There you go.
Have I said it once this whole stream? Yeah, but you did it intentionally.
I don't know.
Paying dividends.
All right, go ahead. I haven't used mine. I need to use mine more. Yeah.
You should pivot to selling Aries tech products. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If I wanted to make the real money, I think it would probably be in,
actually, I probably just shouldn't say this is going to make people mad. Okay, go ahead.
And it's interesting that the Reddit thread for the honey thing was like
down voted to oblivion. It's currently at zero. Really? But his replies are not.
It's almost like. All of the replies are positive. It's almost like haters just don't want to have their narrative challenged.
My question is, I suspect people didn't. I haven't read it, but I also haven't voted on it.
But I wonder if people read it or if they just downloaded it.
Oh, there's no way that they read it and then download it. And then maybe the reason why all the comments are being upvoted
is you would have to actually go in and find them. Yep. Yeah. I guarantee you 100% that that's what happened.
Because people don't want, because if they brigade it,
and if they were a complete fucking asshole,
they don't want to have to face that. It's way easier to just go, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la.
They're bad. They're bad. They're bad. Down vote, down vote. Then to find out what actually happened.
That's way easier, like on your psyche.
So it's just such a coward's way out.
Anyway, Dan. Hey, LLD, love the show, love the products.
Linus, did you save any of your childhood toys to pass on to your own kids?
I saved a giant bin of connects that my son and I now build together.
Yeah, I have a couple of things. I have a little Galaxian, I'm trying to remember what it's called.
Yeah, I have one of these. And my kids played with it like a couple of times,
but mostly weren't interested because my house is also full of better video games.
I'm trying to think if there's anything else. I have a little toy piano that a couple of my kids kind of played with a little bit.
Oh, oh, I have that weird wrestler dude figure that I sent you that's apparently
someone was trying to sell it on Facebook marketplace for like 80 bucks or something. And I was like, boy, really, I don't know.
That's a stretch guy, right? No, no, no, it wasn't stretch Armstrong. It's just like a weird wrestler figure.
Oh, right. No, I remember that. Some 80s guy in a speedo. Yeah, I mean, they look similar.
So yeah, exactly. Dude, I wish I had a stretch Armstrong.
Most things were worth money at one point. Mostly I don't.
I lost almost all my like kid kid childhood stuff when I moved from my dads to my moms,
including my Super Nintendo and all my games. Like I just I just like grabbed the clothes on my back and like left.
So I have almost nothing from before that.
And then like after that, I was mostly into video games and computers.
And I'm not super sentimental about most of that stuff.
So I haven't really I haven't really like held on to any of it. I've I've reacquired some stuff.
Like I reacquired the top gun joystick that I spent all those hours and hours and hours
playing top playing a tie fighter with before I moved.
But that's it's not my original one. It's it's it's a reacquisition.
Brandon and asks evil men and the saints, have you guys ever considered branching
into electronic toddler toys? I'd love to see an LTT gaming PC akin to a leapfrog or one of those overtly kitty controllers.
No, I can tell you right now.
Kids products are a ton of work. There's a ton of regulatory hoops to jump through in terms of value.
You got to validate every paint that goes on it. You got to do this, you got to do that.
Getting the shape sorter to market was a nightmare. I'm not sure we could ever have any hope of making money on it with all the time and money
that we spent validating that stupid thing. And then on the flip side, anything with electronics in it.
Oh, actually, I think it's the wireless communication that's the hold up. So have you seen that little like kind of rubber old school CRT with a tower under it thing
that has like a screen in the front? Yeah, I think so. And it's a lamp. Yes.
And you can boop the top of it and it changes the color and stuff. And you can like communicate with it wirelessly.
That's been in purgatory for like a year. So anything electronics, bunch of hurdles, anything kids, a bunch of hurdles.
We ain't combining them. No time soon. No time soon.
And yes, that is evil. That is my devious plan to not make any kids electronics.
Very good.
No, that's just who he is. Anyway, we'll see you again next week. Same bad time.
Same bad channel. Or not. I don't know. Bye.
All right. Time to go game.
Thank you.