Mmm Man, there's so many things I want to talk about, but I feel like I should save them for the show
How's it going people? I can talk to, you can say things, and I can respond. We can do that
That works What if what if, ahh, what if you made the content?
You asking the them?
Let me see I think I'm going to save the exact details of it for the show, but I have been in some
form of transportation up until, effectively, twenty minutes ago, for over thirty hours
straight, trying to get here for a while.
Some of it did not go well, but we somehow got here anyways.
Sparkling water? Definitely still. Sparkling water is a demonic creation, as far as I can tell.
Sparkling water is so good.
I don't get it. I don't like it.
What is bad with it? It's just, why? Why?
I just, I don't know. I don't really get it.
Why, uh, why mess with it?
I get, like, adverse reactions to it.
Sometimes I'll take a sip and I'm just like, whoa, gross.
I don't know why.
Love the Eva show floor video? Yeah, the comments seemed pretty positive.
Happy to see that. Happy to see that.
What, uh, what, it comes out of the ground sparkling in some places?
Hi there, everyone. Oh, wow. Uh, that's not a great look.
Oh, my goodness. All right, cool.
There you go. Um, so this is maybe the coolest intro we've ever done.
Are you speeding through a school zone?
Uh, no comment.
That's pretty sick dude. Yeah.
And that's like the janky, like thrown together version of this that, that like
we were able to do. Sure. Yeah. With their tech.
Because there's going to be like the mega Hollywood version.
Yeah. Um, yeah, this is going to be, this is going to be a cool video, guys.
Do not miss Tuesday's video. I don't know if it's going to have a super enticing title or whatever.
Don't be fooled. Watch the video.
Um, man, when show is like dead, when show doesn't get views anymore.
Oh, okay. Thanks, Dan. Um, I mean, we can still talk about that.
Uh, oh, you know what? Do those things have anything to do with each other?
Oh dude, last week when show, it follows the pattern 300,000 views over 10,000 likes.
It's actually one of the most liked when shows in the last forever, but it has like
half as many views as some of the ones from like a month or two ago.
Huh. That is interesting. Cause I did notice that like, you know, I was remote and had 10 quibillion ping.
Um, but it did actually feel like a pretty good show. Yeah, I thought it was a pretty good show.
So I was a little bit disappointed when the, when the view seemed low.
Oh, can we change the title to new iPhone? Sorry, Dan.
I mean, obviously I wouldn't order an old iPhone.
I ordered my iPhone. It is only my...
Oh, sorry. No, no, uh, Apple prefers just iPhone.
I ordered iPhone. No, no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
I ordered my new iPhone. It's fine. Yeah.
Apple prefers just iPhone.
Thank you for that, Dan. That's funny.
Oh, mic muted, whatever. Don't care.
Oh, his mic was muted the whole time. Nice. Got him.
Let's have his camera on and his mic muted. It seems like a good combo.
Oh my God. Perfect. He should just sit there and just like gum flap the whole time.
The guy who talks to himself.
Make them mutually exclusive. So like, he can have his camera up, but his mic has to be muted.
Yeah, that's a great idea. Or his camera. It would be like those old universal remotes where every time you turn your TV on, your
receiver goes off.
Oh, man. These are dumb. I like this.
All right, cool.
All right. Should we, Dan, that thing that you said muted and stuff.
Is there good news then? Not sure yet.
Okay. Yep. Sure.
Okay. What else are we on the dock here?
Um, I don't know, but, uh, served the home.
Hit a million subscribers. Oh, nice. Good old Patrick.
Hell yeah. Yeah. Right.
Observed. Yeah. Absolute cool guy.
Yeah. Certified cool guy. Yeah.
And like has been for a hot minute.
0.12.
Um, all right.
Okay. Sorry. Yeah.
He just texted me. So I had him on, on my mind.
Uh, what was I going to, what was I going to check?
I'm going to check something. Um, no, I don't think I need to check anything.
I think we could just, uh, we could just do this thing.
Sure. Okay. There's just one more thing.
I want to say. Hilarious. I might be able to go tomorrow.
Oh, really? Because I was wrong. Every other one has been at that time.
Nice. This one is at a later time. Nice.
Yeah. Okay. You just let me know.
Yeah. Uh, you guys are both invited, obviously.
Yeah. Okay. Okay.
So let's do this thing.
Okay. Breakdown. Y'all need to chill the f**k out.
Is Linus calling someone cool? Really?
Praise. It's like your grandpa calling something new.
Wow. Yikes. That's amazing.
Ow. Okay. Yikes.
Yikes. That's amazing. Ouch.
I want to frame that. Damn.
Damn. Wow. Oh, man.
The show hasn't even really started yet.
Already the sickest of burns have been bestowed upon me.
Ugh. All right.
Well, anyway.
I'll open up the thing to resume the selected now.
Do my walk of shame for being apparently old and not cool.
All right.
Oh, man. I need to, yeah, have a real sleep at some point.
Me too. I don't even have a good reason for it because I'm not jet-legged, but remember how I showed
you my like sleep quality tracker thing the other day?
Is it just worse? I still am like comically bad no matter what time I go to bed.
I'm just like, I had one good night's sleep this week, but I actually felt like the worst
after that night. Even if we're being complete. Well, yeah, I do find if you have a really bad chain for a while and you have one good
one. Yeah. I'm like, oh, we finally get to rest.
So like gets hit pretty hard. And then you're like, nah, dog, like even when I supposedly have a good quality one, I find
I don't feel good unless I get deep REM sleep is like useless and light sleep is super useless.
The one I need is the deep one. That's the only time I ever feel good in the morning.
That's interesting. So maybe there's like tricks for optimizing your deep sleep.
I think there is. Like drugs. Oh.
Gabapentin.
I just, I just assume, I assume there's illicit substances that will fix this problem for
me while introducing many others. I didn't even actually hear the word Dan said, but I'm, I'm assuming it was.
Gabapentin. Oh, I thought you said Evermectin.
Oh, that was pretty funny. No, that would be funny.
It heals everything though. I was giving a serious advice.
That's for horse. It's horse stuff, right? The warmer all kinds of things.
You can take horse tranquilizer. It's for everything. It heals COVID and cancer.
Oh, nice. Nice. Various other things.
You know, so does, you know, something like extreme, like uranium or something.
Yeah. I mean, is the cancer not cured if you're dead?
Oh, it's a good point.
These treatments worked in the laboratory under Petri dish.
Fire. So does that. Yeah.
Go on. Fire is really good at cleaning things.
Yes. We should eat more fire.
Forget fiber. I put the bleach into our veins.
We should put the fire there. There's an, if you need to eat it, there's an incredible amount of calories and gasoline.
Really? That actually makes a ton of sense. There actually is.
Like there's so much energy in it. They're legitimately is. Yeah.
Your heart.
Okay. I'm just going to start the thing.
Resuming the selected. Oh, wait, right. Yeah.
30,000 calories in one gallon of gasoline. Okay.
Well, how many calories are in a gallon of milk though?
Like, do I need to drink the gasoline or are there other options?
I think it's a lot less than that. Let's see.
Can you put it? Can you mix it with protein powder? Which one would make you fart more?
A gallon of gasoline or a gallon of milk? I thought it was more than 1600 calories.
That's it. In a gallon of milk. Okay.
So it's actually a lot more. We need to evolve our digestive system. To be able to.
To be able to drink gas. Consume gasoline. Yeah.
Your hair is looking great. That is a very odd compliment for me right now because I think it's just grease.
Yeah. You also kind of look like a nerd.
Yeah. It's like a little too tidy. Yeah.
I can't make it less tidy though because there's so much grease. No, you actually like, you, you look like a choir boy a little bit.
Yeah. I think, I think you're right to be honest.
Now you look like a choir boy who just woke up.
I don't, I don't think I can fix it right now.
This is what it is. Cory G says, go to the weird shower and wash it.
I could, but I don't, I don't think there's like towels there or anything.
I mean, there is a place to get towels.
I'm just saying, you know, where's the place that sells to, you can also get screwdrivers
and pet beds. Do they just have them there? No.
Yeah. I mean, maybe actually. Sometimes they do.
Sometimes they don't. All right. One gram of uranium 235 has 20 billion calories.
That's a. Okay. I've resumed it.
Select it. Calm down. All of you.
What is up you fine folks and welcome to the, that's never happened before.
I swear that's never happened before.
First time. First time.
Look, I'm almost 40. We got a great show for you guys today.
Apple's event was actually maybe kind of exciting.
It could just be that my excitement about the new AirPods Pro threes is bleeding over
into all the other products. That might be true, but they look really cool.
Maybe the rest of them are crap, but the AirPods Pro threes look pretty freaking awesome.
Yeah. In other news this week, the real self-driving was the friends we made along the way.
Tesla has changed the definition of full self-driving completely abandoning their promise of unsupervised
autonomous driving. We're talking about that later. What else we got this week?
Nintendo gets another video game patent and the whole internet loved that.
No, no, they didn't. Also for the people that said that the AI summary things were definitely not doing anything
to search. Google has now admitted that the open web is in rapid decline.
Yeah, rapid decline, not just regular decline, the rapidest of declines.
Cool. Nice. Awesome.
Don't you love when our corporate overlords confirm what we knew all along?
Yeah. Yeah.
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We have seven sponsors on the land show.
We're going to, we're going to spread them out a little bit though.
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We need more like the product placement ones.
We need to just go full like- Sure.
We could wear like Nike headbands and stuff.
What's that movie? Oh man. That movie.
With Ricky Bobby. Remlins. No, not Ricky Bobby.
The music one. The music movie.
La La Land. Was it also comedy? What the f*** are you talking about?
It was a comedy. I am like- Walk hard?
No, no. I have no details for anyone.
You're a great- Great world. There we go.
Oh my God. The music one. With like the Pizza Hut breaking the fourth wall talking right to camera.
You know that every movie has music in it, right?
Whack the mic. I'm sorry. You know-
No, I meant Wayne's World.
We knew that so tired he's kind of drunk Linus was fun.
But I don't think we knew that so tired he's kind of drunk Luke was this fun.
You're stupid today.
So for context, I started my journey home at-
I think it was like 4pm Thursday Bulgarian time.
Yes. And I have been on various forms- That means something to me.
Of transportation ever since then. Perhaps planes, trains, and automobiles.
Another great movie with music in it.
Three planes, three trains, two Ubers, and one Emma picking me up from the airport.
That was the chain of events that had to get me home.
And two of the planes were late.
Nice. I think every single train was late.
Two of them were late by like 50 minutes. The only answer is gamer plane and gamer train.
I couldn't need it all. And gamer fire truck.
You have the gamer van already. We've got the fire truck, bro. And the fire truck.
We've got the fire truck. Okay, cool. That's the only answer.
So road is already taken care of. Yep.
Okay, where are we? Apple product launch. Apple is launching a ton of new products on September 19th.
They are all getting their new square sensor center stage front cam.
Okay. I swear. I don't know if I ever said it in a video or if I ever told you, but I totally thought
of this idea like ages ago. Did I ever talk to you about the idea of having a square sensor so that you could just like
shoot landscape like this or so that you could just shoot square and then you could like
crop it later and it could just have safe zones on it or whatever. I don't know when you had that idea, but I remember this vaguely.
I don't even care who had the idea first.
I love that Apple is doing this. So their new selfie cams on the iPhone 17 lineup just allow you to go, oh yeah, I'm taking
a vertical selfie. My friends who are paid by me are now nearby.
They don't want to get that close right now apparently. Oh, what? Yeah, there we go.
Boom. It'll just expand the frame and use additional sensor in order to fit them.
Okay. It's powered by a high Apple intelligence, which means it will probably suck for a bit.
Yeah. I wonder what the AI is doing. Hopefully not much.
Hopefully very little. Yeah.
And if it's doing very, if all it's doing is recognizing human faces, which then
sure. Realistically machine learning has been pretty good at for a minute or two.
Very effective. Then I see that as just an outstanding feature.
They all get the new ceramic shield to front glass. I mean, Apple's front glass has been for a while now.
Original ceramic shield was already awesome. This new one, I mean, presumably could only be better, but that's not necessarily true
because we have seen cases where from one iteration of Corning Gorilla Glass to another,
sometimes there are trade-offs. Like you gain some drop resistance, but you lose some scratch resistance and so on and
so forth. They also, all, all the new iPhones start with 256 gigs of storage and even the base
iPhone 17 is now 120 flippin' hertz on the display.
That's pretty sick. That brings them up to speed with cheap Android phones from years ago, but what it also does
if we can sort of put away the snarky hat for a minute is it takes away the obstacles
that many iPhone upgraders who are sitting there going, okay, when are they going to
do it? When are they going to do it? When are they going to do it?
I want those features that have been highlights of the Pro series, but I want them on the
regular iPhone because I don't want to spend $2,000 US on the top spec iPhone 17 Pro Max,
I think is two grand. What a name.
That's two terabytes of storage in it. That is absurd.
The lineup just honestly looks really good. The only thing-
This, like, base model iPhone 17, though, like, actually looks pretty killer.
I mean, Apple's SoCs have been just plain better for a very long time at this point.
Eight gigs of RAM is plenty for iOS, even if we realistically do need more to run Android
really smoothly with heavy task switching, 6.3-inch display, 48 megapixels, so, yeah,
there's two 48 megapixel sensors on the back personally.
Ah, man. Oh, this is actually a tough one. I was about to say I don't use my telephoto much, but the times I use it, boy, do I ever
like it. So I shouldn't even say the times I use it because I don't have a telephoto.
I'm running a Pixel 9a right now, but Yvonne on her S23 Ultra had a really great telephoto,
and if we were at a kid's concert or whatever, her phone was the only one of ours that was
even remotely useful. So having a telephoto lens when you need it can be pretty nice.
Up to 30 hours of video playback, $800.
That's a lot of money. It is a lot of money. That's a lot of money.
That's a lot of money. But it is the current gen phone, which gets one more year of product support compared to
if you buy a last gen one for less, and it's not more than last year.
It's the same starting price as last year, but we get a 120 Hertz display.
We get more storage. So I'm not even in a world where basically everything is going up in price.
Yeah, it's like the sequel to Waterworld.
It's just inflation world. Starring Kevin Costner, whose sense of self-importance has inflated at the same level of as money
over the last 30 years.
To be clear, I don't hate Kevin Costner. I just think he seems to think he's a lot more relevant than he is.
That's all. I have no idea. I would watch Waterworld too though.
He starred in one super amazing film, Dances with Wolves, that I watched as a child and
didn't understand because I was a kid, and then he was in that movie with Ashton Kutcher
that I thought was solidly okay. What movie is that?
I don't remember. It involved like rescuing people, I think, and a helicopter.
Can't remember.
Scrappy D.P. says he wants to own Montana. That wouldn't even necessarily surprise me that much.
The Guardian. The Guardian, yeah, I found it. Oh, this guy.
Oh, this guy. He says about Kevin Costner. How do you avoid?
I think the people genuinely want to know. How do you avoid knowing about celebrities?
I just don't care.
I just like deeply don't care. But they're everywhere.
I think that's why though, is I have a rather intense level of lack of care.
I'll recognize her face a little bit.
But like, I don't know. Right, so you know which one is Kevin Costner, right?
Yeah. So you know who Ashton Kutcher is then?
In the photo. Yeah. Oh man.
Anyway. I forgot. And then I was like, oh yeah, he did that TV show, that 70 show or whatever.
He's on there, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Him and the rapist. The rapist. Oh yeah, you don't know about that?
No. Yeah. See.
Yeah, it was the whole thing. I don't follow. Yeah, don't worry about it.
Yep. So, the most controversial new iPhone is of course, the iPhone Air.
It uses the A19 Pro processor, so it uses the same chip as the 17 Pro.
It has 12 gigs of RAM like the 17 Pro.
It has a 6.5 inch display, which is kind of in between the 17 Pro and the 17 Pro Max.
But it does give up some things. So it has a 48 megapixel single main camera rather than having multiple shooters.
It has the new C1X modem, which we don't know if that's giving something up or gaining
something. Yeah, we'll see. If I had to guess, I'd say that, and I could 100% be wrong about this.
If I had to guess, I'd say the C1X is super efficient, but maybe compromises somewhere
else where the full-size phones with their full-size batteries didn't do.
As you say, if it was just raw better, I feel like they would put it on other ones. But I also feel like this is kind of like an experimental device to a certain degree.
It is eSIM only and only boasts 27 hours of video playback rather than 30 for the iPhone
17, 33 for the 17 Pro, and a whopping 39 hours for the 17 Pro Max.
There are some extra benefits, maybe. So this was something that is always fun to watch Apple do.
You remember when they went unapologetically plastic and then they were like, actually
fuck plastic, plastic's fucking stupid, like immediately after that and just pretended that
never happened? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you remember that.
Okay. So do you remember how on their Pro models, Apple leaned super hard into titanium, iPhone's
titanium, you know, like their titanium?
Yeah. Okay. So that happened.
And then, and then the new iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max came out, it's a song.
Okay. What song is that? It's called Titanium.
All right. That makes sense, to be honest. David Guena or Gueta or whatever it is.
See, I don't know. Like I just, okay, but let's back up again.
You see images and read words, right? Oh, right.
Dyslexic. See, like I can't, I can't not know what a song is called or who it's by because it
just, like it shows up and I read it. Okay.
But I just, I don't think I've listened to that song. I know some songs. There's no way you've not heard this song.
There's actually, it's completely impossible that you have never heard this song.
Hold on. And then we're going to get more ad blog than we did from you talking about the guy on
72. It's worth it. I don't even care.
Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah.
Yeah. Anyway, what are we supposed to be talking about?
You like all the like top 40 slop stuff. I don't listen to it that much.
You just called Sia slop. Sia?
That's extremely disrespectful. Who's Sia?
It doesn't matter.
She was the, you know, song, whatever, whatever on My Little Pony and she's great.
Okay. I don't, I don't remember her. Sure.
But she's on My Little Pony. Anyway. So the point out, man, chat that you guys are, you guys are rough.
Someone's like, I, I loved Sia, loved her music. Someone's like, she's still alive.
Guys. Okay. You know what?
It's fine. They leaned super heavily into titanium for their marketing for their pro phones.
Yeah. And then this time around, they leaned super hard into aluminum.
They were all like, dude, aluminum has so much thermal performance.
It's like so much better than titanium.
Aluminum is great. You guys are going to love it. Aluminum.
Interesting. Oh, by the way, on the iPhone air, it's titanium. I was just going to say the air is titanium.
And I'm just, I'm kind of sitting here going like, can Apple just, can they just, can they
get some consistency? Can they, can they please get some consistency in their marketing for these materials?
Can you just, can you just say, we put titanium on the pro phones before because it's really
shiny and hard glistening even, you might say, right?
And then can you just say, you know, aluminum's still good.
Like that would have been fine too, but this titanium, it has a nice finish and it's super
shiny. Like if you just told us exactly what it was and you didn't wank it off so hard in the
first place, then it wouldn't be so embarrassing every time you have to backtrack and use a
different material.
So yeah, the iPhone air uses titanium presumably because it is so flipping thin.
I don't know whoops, how it's even possible that my notes don't include the thickness.
I believe it's 5.4 millimeters though, 5.64 millimeters.
That is nuts.
That is wild. That is like, I can't wait to get it in my hands.
Finally I'll have a phone that fits. Does it feel whack that it has an enormous camera bump that's like thicker than the
phone? I mean, it's no different, yes, yes.
And I can see why it's a controversial device. I can see why it's really polarizing, but I do think that there are going to be people
that it appeals to and I'm excited just to sort of marvel at the thinness.
It looks super cool. I mean, it's not- Some of the phone.
Yes. Yes, that's fair. Why don't they just make like half of it two mils thick and go like world's finished
phone and then most of it is just that big? Why don't you just join the podcast if you're going to talk all the time?
Shut up. Technically, that's not what I said.
Technically I invited him to join the podcast. Let the record show. You did so aggressively though.
It wasn't very inviting. That's just how I talk to people. You invited someone-
It's true. Look, I really like being friends with you.
I do believe that.
It's something I value. Come over tomorrow.
Okay, I'm excited to check it out.
I'm a little less excited about the 17 Pro and the 17 Pro Max, but they are far from
the biggest disappointment. I think the biggest disappointment broadly in the tech community is where the fuck is
a replacement for the mini. We haven't gotten a new mini since what was it?
12 or 13. Dan, do you remember? Does anyone know?
Let me know in the chat. I believe it was either iPhone 12 or 13 generation.
13. So it's been four freaking years.
People who are still rocking minis- I thought people liked it too. Andrew in the camera department loves his mini and he's just like, yep, it's getting a little
long in the tooth. Any time now, Apple, give me a new mini.
And personally, even though that one is sort of more broadly upsetting to people, I'm actually
bummed that the iPhone 17 Plus isn't a thing. Because I thought the 16 Plus was a great middle ground.
It gave me the bigger screen that I wanted, but it didn't give me any of the paying a
couple hundred US extra dollars for things that I don't really need that the Pro had.
So if there was a 17 Plus, that would honestly be the one that I would be most interested
in this generation, especially now that it has 120 Hertz refresh rate.
And yeah, that's probably the only thing that I was really missing out on with the 16 Plus
when I did my daily driver challenge. So we're actually going to mix up the daily driver challenge this time around.
The title of WAN Show today is I bought my iPhone and I did, but I bought all three.
And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to use all the pockets in our awesome cargo
pants from lttstore.com and I'm going to carry them all.
And I'm going to see which one I gravitate toward.
So we'll do all the unboxings on ShortCircuit. And then basically I'm going to see which one do I actually enjoy using the most.
Interesting. Yeah. I literally don't know.
I don't know if the air is going to entice me.
Could you dupe your SIM? Okay.
So the air is eSIM only. That's interesting. So theoretically I believe yes.
But generally speaking, I use my cellular connection almost not at all.
And what I've been doing over the last little while actually because I've had more issues
with Graphi and OS. Okay.
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use it. It just means that I think I'm done with it.
I might be kind of screwed anyways. I've been trying to diagnose it over the last couple of days.
Well, I mean, I might be able to just repair it. I don't know. But the USB port on my phone might be like super dying.
Bummer. Yeah. I mean, do you need it?
Fireless charging? Oh. Like, I don't know.
Cloud sync? I have literally zero of those.
I mean. I can get some.
There's this thing. I could join the new age. Money.
It can be exchanged for goods and services like it says. I'd prefer to not.
Yeah. I know. I know.
Oh my God. Do you know how many people think that you are destitutely poor because of the way that...
I'm doing fine. I know. I know.
They don't.
I don't mind plugging something in. I don't know.
This doesn't feel like a... I actually plug in everything too.
Yeah. Like, I don't know. I do find...
Some of the, like, Mag... What is the name of it on Android?
Because MagSafe for iPhone, right? Yeah.
I don't know. Whatever the magnetic one is. MagSafe ripoff.
Sure. That is kind of neat in some applications.
Yeah, it is. I could see that. Yeah.
It's great for the car. Yes. But almost nowhere that I would actually have my phone.
So, like, I haven't really cared. I'm going to sleep.
I can plug my phone in. It's really not a big deal. Honestly, I'm the same.
Like, Apple... So many of the Apple user reasons why I should accept nothing less than an iPhone.
They don't resonate with me and MagSafe is definitely one of them.
I have Android Auto and CarPlay in my car, so I just put my phone down or I just leave it in my pocket.
It's wireless in both of our main family vehicles now.
So, I don't need to charge my car. Man, battery life on the Pixel 9a and on the latest iPhones is, like, so good.
I'm at 75%. Pixel... Yeah.
The 9a specifically has just flipping outstanding battery life.
I've heard great things about the 9a specifically from, like, a ton of people.
Well, it is not a perfect phone.
No. But the battery life is great. It's outstanding.
That's one of the things... Best I've ever seen on an Android. Okay.
What are your downsides? Because I care about very little battery life these days.
It's just kind of a butt head sometimes. It's just kind of, like, dumb sometimes.
Like, I'll go to do... Is that just a pixel? Okay, there.
I held down for voice and it's like, oops, something went wrong.
And it's like, why? Why do you just randomly do that a lot of the time?
It's just not perfect. That's all.
And whenever I'm recommending... It sounds like it might just be pixel issues.
Well, it might be. It might also be that I'm using SwiftKey and, you know, someone, no one at any point,
ever tried SwiftKey on a pixel and noticed, oh, hey, this doesn't work.
We should probably work with our partner, Microsoft and or Google to address it, like, whatever.
So I just... It's not perfect. I do get some buggy behavior, so make of that what you will.
But the battery life is great. Back to GraphiNOS for a second.
Oh. Oh, no.
I just...
It's really cool. And my God, is it ever snappy?
Like, it's so responsive. Battery life also outstanding.
Like, this is the one I've got my SIM in right now, and it's at 99% today.
And I have used it today, but very little.
But I have used it. And it's like, just at idle, it like sips power.
And it's just... It's everything that a pixel already was, but like, it's more secure.
And it's kind of snappier and more responsive.
It's just that when you go to do something new that you haven't done before,
like say, for example, same thing.
If I wanted to use voice dictation in order to do something,
I might have to hold this button where it will say voice typing.
Voice input, you must download and install Google voice search.
Download. It takes me to Google by Google LLC, and it's installed.
So I click... I don't know.
I go back, and then I try again, and then it download.
Oh, no, not that. Okay, hold on. Wait, there's a thing in between.
Oh, I'll try the download there. No, wait, that just brings me back here.
And I could solve this. I'm sure I could solve this. I mean, I have a Graphene OS team member in my Discord that I can.
So it's like a Linux-ism. I probably will ask how to solve this, but it takes a special sort of person
to feel like fucking solving something like that instead of just using their phone.
And you know what? Sometimes I'm that kind of person, but for my phone, I don't think I am,
at least not anymore, at least not right now.
And for me, where my privacy is quite compromised already,
which isn't to say that this is the right answer for you.
Yeah. I just...
I'm not sure if I...
Yeah, I'm not sure if I... I'm not sure it's worth the work for you, specifically.
...feel like it right now. Because remember, too, the issues that I switch phones all the time.
I can't have, like, it be a hassle every time I go to do something on...
For hardware reviewer Linus, it might not be...
Like, I've got at least... I still haven't done the Fold 7 because I've been putting it off
because I've been kind of forcing myself to wade through this sort of Graphino-esque thing.
And I think this is it.
What?
I think this is it. You think what's it?
This is it. This. Oh, is this your iPhone sets?
Or what? Sorry, what are you doing? Oh, you're popping your SIM out?
Yep. I've had the SIM in the Graphino-esque.
You started it. I think this is it. And to be clear, like, we'll give it a fair shake.
Jordan's going to be working on the video with me, so it'll be partly like my notes.
Like he already said, I'm just going to reiterate here. Just because it might not be for Linus has nothing to do with it being for you or not.
He is a very unique user of phones.
It is extremely probable that his style is not yours.
And there are things that I enjoyed about it a lot.
I just think it's not right for me at this moment.
Have you thought about trying Linea Joess as well?
Because I was thinking it could be interesting to look at your, like, Note 9 with Linea Joess or something.
I wouldn't mind it. I wouldn't mind giving it a shot.
I think that for me, the well-maintained with tens of millions install base androids already have a lot of problems with interoperability.
And the issue with Android generally is not the everyday stuff.
It's the edge cases.
And it's the infinite customizability is sort of both its greatest strengths and its greatest weakness.
Like one of the things that irritated me about my Graphino S Pixel 9a, not to be confused with my other Pixel 9a,
is screenshot sharing just kind of blows.
And I could go find a third-party tool for that.
But like as it is right now, right? What's your flow for screenshot sharing?
When I grab a screenshot, okay, so I go to share and then, okay, I go to edit.
I'm just a boomer. And then I, okay, so now I can crop, right?
So I'm in the interface where I can like crop and do stuff.
Where the f**k is my share button?
There's no share button in this interface.
So on my Pixel that is running Pixel OS, I take my screenshot, I go to share.
And then if I want to edit it, I can like edit and then I can share it immediately because that was what I intended to do.
So there was more consideration for the user intent.
And I can obviously save and then go share this, but it's an unnecessary extra step.
And why? How about I just don't?
The other thing is that you can share it and then it just like won't save to your gallery because I don't want this forever.
Or I can save it and share it. I have the option as part of that flow on here.
Okay. And so yeah. The option is cool.
Any of this stuff can be fixed.
But I personally, as someone who takes a lot of screenshots, does a lot of quick markup and shares things with a lot of people,
really appreciate quick features for cropping, marking up.
Like one thing that drives me crazy on the Pixel is that the default text color or the default color of scribbles is blue.
And there doesn't appear to be an obvious way to change it.
Why would the default be blue? Markup, like whatever the word I'm looking for, standard markup color is red.
So it should probably just be red. You're probably just trying to be trendy and cool or something.
I don't know. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here, but maybe, and maybe there is a way to change the default,
but I would really, I would really rather that it was red as my default markup color.
And so strong markup tools and then easy access to like a really good sharing menu that's really smart about who it recommends to me.
It means a lot to me. I don't use that menu because I find that even on proper Android, it is so dumb.
Yeah. I find it a lot faster to not use that menu.
Probably 60% of the time I send the screenshot to anyone.
It's to Yvonne in WhatsApp, but often she will fall off the most recent.
Which is crazy. Which is, it seems like the kind of thing that Google could more usefully apply AI to.
Who am I more likely to be sending this to? Some person that I have texted once in the last six months or my wife who I often share things to.
Anyway, we've gotten way off the rails here.
Let's talk about AirPods Pro 3.
These make me sad and I'll explain why after we go through it.
Up to two times active noise canceling performance.
Now, I don't know exactly what that means because you got to remember that like decibels are not a linear measure.
And our perceived loudness of sounds is highly contextual depending on what else is going on around us.
So what 2X means, I don't know.
But what I do know is that the performance, comfort, and especially the natural soundingness of the AirPods Pro 2s is already awesome.
And if these are that but more better, I am stoked.
In other news, the earphones are even smaller, which as someone who sleeps with my AirPods Pro 2s in every night,
I actually own two pairs because I've been waking up in the middle of the night so much that I'll like put in my ones that are charged now.
Oh, did I mention that they're claiming two more hours of battery?
So that would be nice. Which is great. Because it means that it's more likely that I will get a longer uninterrupted sleep.
I have a weird take, but... Oh, you use AirPods 4s.
Yeah. Okay. But like the ones without the earrings.
Yeah, that's the AirPods 4s. Sure, yeah.
Making it clear to people that might not know the model differentiation. Without the silicone tips.
Yeah. Yeah. These are shorter now than the 3s were or some other previous version.
Yeah, the stems. I do this when I don't currently want them in my ear.
That is insane. This was a lot easier to do when they were longer.
That is actually unhinged. I can stash them here.
Literally, nobody agrees with you. They'll legitimately stay there for like...
They love siding with you instead of me, but this is a step too far.
They will stay there, no problem. Our worksman says, Luke is not based.
I think he is based because he's a turkey.
I'm really surprised how negative people react to that.
Dude, that is turkey behavior. Why?
This is one of those things where if I have to explain it, you're not capable of understanding
it. I don't get it though, why? Explain it.
Explain it anyways. Try me. Okay, the risk of loss.
Never lost any. It's super high. Never lost any.
I didn't say that you will lose it. I said the risk of loss. I can't do it with these, but with the ones that had the longer stem, I could like lay
down and do bench presses with them stashed there and they would stay no matter what.
You're an actual sociopath. That's the only explanation.
I've never lost one that way. I've done it so much.
Kifricks said... Someone just tried and said, wow, it actually stays on quite well.
Yeah, it does. Kifricks said, that's not so bad.
Jade De Duval says, that's actually insane.
You know what? At the very least, I can say that's a polarizing choice.
Let's get back to the AirPods Pro 3's.
It makes me sick.
Everyone's going to unsubscribe. Are there any internal transfers for positions available?
You know I do this. I've done this in the gym with you.
In other news, the AirPods Pro 3's are getting a new fifth size of ear tip, a double XS,
which is going to be great for kids.
These are like... Okay, hold on. Oh my God, we're coming back to this.
That's not how I wear them. That's how I stash them if I'm not currently using them.
If I need to take it out of my ear to listen to someone, I'll put it there.
I feel like you're trapped in the me arguing with people about American cheese loop right now.
One person is going to say something like that, and then you're going to respond to it,
and then everyone else is going to hear only where I, them, and they're going to run with it.
And then you're going to be stuck in this loop where all you ever said was that
not American cheese, regular cheese, is perfectly meltable,
and people are going to run in completely different directions
and think that you hate hot dogs.
So, yeah, let's just, let's move on from this topic.
This will be great for kids because like on a plane or whatever,
when, that's the, that's, I'm trying to think.
We never did it in restaurants. We've only occasionally done it in the car.
I think that's like the iPad parenting time for me is on the plane.
We'll just give the kids the phone, give them the iPad, give them the headphones.
There's three of them, right? The plane is acceptable. So they sit in their own row.
We're not even there. Sure. And we just have a flight by ourselves.
We feel alternative. They just watch movies anyways.
So, so, yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be great
because I've got, I've got little girls and they have little ears
and smaller ear tips is going to be awesome.
Not that I'm going to get my kids the new ones anyways. They're going to get my hand me down.
So whatever. But they've got a new ultra low noise microphone apparently,
multi-port acoustic architecture. So I, does that mean they have multiple drivers?
I'm actually not sure. I haven't looked into them that much yet. I'm not working on my video yet because we don't get really
access to Apple hardware. New H2 chip, heart rates are actually, I don't think that's new.
I think that's the same one. Heart rate sensing though. So for people who work out, this could be useful, I guess,
if you don't want to wear a watch. I guess there's some moves you wouldn't want to watch on for, right?
For sure. I would, I like this actually.
I think that's very cool. This is one of the things that like I was like, I'm sad about this.
I'm sad about this because I can't get the pros.
Right. Cause he doesn't like silicone. Yeah.
They just squish themselves out of my ears because I have weird ear canals, but yeah, it's, that's actually really cool feature.
Not that I necessarily think you're going to go around like some
people were talking about how this is better because you can do it without your phone on you.
I think this is specifically, I saw comments about that.
I was genuinely confused. I think this is specifically a, so that you don't have to have
your watch on you.
And I would prefer to wear like as few accessories as possible
when I'm out doing stuff. So it being able to be measured through your, your earbuds is pretty
neat.
Most importantly, they are IP 57 now.
So they're like super sweat proof and water resistant and are the
same price. So Apple seems to be kind of just sucking it up on their higher
costs in order to capture some market share right now, which
feels like an uncharacteristically aggressive Apple.
Like they're, they're almost coming across a little, still in
the most Apple way possible, but they're coming across a little
scrappy here, which I kind of like.
I think it's pretty cool. Do we, do we expect them to put a removable battery in them
anytime soon? No. Nope.
Go fuck yourself. They're still Apple, but the AirPods Pro 3s, those were in
immediate order for me when I saw them. Some people are saying that the new ear tips are, are foam and
silicone and that they have some new, yeah, thing.
Maybe, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it a shot, but probably not.
They can give it a shot. I don't think it's going to work for you if there's any kind of
silicone slippage. Yep. I agree.
There's some new watches. Who cares? Let's move on to a new topic.
I mean, does anyone love the Apple watch?
Apple watch feels more like just a complete, it's like a mini,
the mini van of Apple products. It's like, I got the Apple watch because I need, I need notifications
when my hands are dirty or like I, I got it from my grandpa
because he might slip and fall.
It just, it just feels like a, okay, people in chat, they love
their Apple watch. The fitness stuff is that, yeah.
Someone said fitness slash outdoors people. The fitness stuff is actually wild.
The Apple watch is like the king of that. I gave up completely when my Apple watch series, something or
other congratulated me for my excellent bike ride while I was
driving down the highway. I was just like, well, this is just obviously.
You're biking really fast. Yeah. Biking really fast and my heart rate is a very relaxed resting
heart rate. Like, can we, like I just, I would rather personally, I would
rather have no data than have bad data that I can't trust.
I just don't care. I can't care about it. You can't really trust any of them, but it's heart rate stuff.
The last time I looked into it, which was a very long time ago, was better than like everybody's and buy a long shot, which is
interesting.
Okay. Yeah. Maybe it's worth giving another shot.
I really wish we were able to make that, that video way back
in the day. Do you remember that, that project I was trying to do with
the UBC? I think we've talked about it online show before where we,
they had like a lab where we could hook up all the real,
all the real probes and then like where all the fitness
trackers and see which ones were the most accurate.
But then for whatever reason, they weren't able to do it.
So it didn't happen. But I'd love to revisit the concept.
I think others have done it since then though. Probably. So I don't think it would be a novel thing.
Yeah.
Okay. What are we supposed to be doing now? You want to, you want to pick a topic?
It says topic two. Sure.
We can do this Corsair one or we can jump down into,
oh, do we have the, 10 to one might take a bit. Do we have the anthropic settlement in here?
Oh, we didn't, I know we don't have that this week guys, sorry, but that's interesting.
Go look it up on your own, I guess. The AI news is fast, heavy and always very similar.
So I don't think it's good to, I don't know if this one's,
I don't know if this one's that similar. I don't know what this one is.
No, this one's kind of a big deal. Oh, okay.
Yeah, anthropic, fine, we'll just, we'll just go through it now.
Do it live. Anthropic agreed to pay $1.5 billion to settle claims
that it downloaded pirated books to train its AI systems.
And this has,
Who are they paying money to? Oh wait, that was eight days ago. And then three days ago from Reuters,
a federal judge in San Francisco has declined for now
to approve the settlement that was announced Friday.
So stuff's going down.
And my understanding is that because they settled
and it never went to trial, this wouldn't be a precedent.
And so the matter is still unresolved of like
copying copyrighted works to train your AIs
and if you should, you know, probably have your company
just shut down because it was built on
other people's copyrighted works or maybe what you're doing is so transformative
and terribly important that maybe we just
should not care about copyright in this case. Those are kind of the two camps on either end.
And it is unresolved, which will be the law of the land
for the time being. Yeah, because I can understand the argument
of like national security stuff.
I don't know if like it's important for national security
that it reads like werewolf smut.
I don't know. Hold on one sec. Floatplain chat, you'll need to calm down
or I'm going to start issuing timeouts to all of y'all. Oh, what's going on?
Don't worry about it. All right. Okay.
Should we maybe do the Corsair class action lawsuit?
Yeah. Because I am pretty peeved about this.
There's a Canadian one for bread, by the way.
Okay, but that one I'm not upset about.
So, oh man, this is, dude, I am like,
ugh, I hate this. Okay, so here, Corsair Gaming had to pay
five and a half million dollars to settle a claim,
shut up, to settle a claim of effectively false advertising
on their DDR4 and DDR5 memory products.
Plaintiffs, there's a bit of editorialization here.
Blood sucking lawyer leeches claimed that consumers
reasonably believe that Corsair memory will run
at the advertised speeds, but in reality, the memory does not and cannot run at these advertised speeds
out of the box. Trying to get Corsair memory to run at the advertised speed
requires altering your computer's firmware to attempt
to make the memory run at higher than standard speeds. This is known as overclocking, and overclocking
often does not work. There's substantial risk that attempts to overclock
will fail, all of which is technically true,
but in this case, I don't actually think it's the best kind of true.
Also from the complaint, Plaintiff and class members
were injured as a direct and proximate result
of Corsair's conduct because, A,
they would not have purchased Corsair high speed memory
if they had known that Corsair would breach its warranty, and B, they overpaid for high speed memory products
because they are sold at a price premium due to Corsair's false warranty.
And in this case, warranty doesn't mean that they fix it if it's broken,
they mean they warrant that it will operate the way that it says on the box.
The complaint states numerous times that consumers expect those speeds out of the box,
but this appears to me, even though this is a settlement
and therefore not like an established precedent,
this seems to me to open up an entire can of worms
and make it pretty difficult to advertise a lot of things
that require some technical know-how
in order to get the advertised result.
Am I missing something here?
Do you guys think I'm off base here? Because basically every memory manufacturer
is now at risk of either not being able to advertise
what the overclocked capability... because the RAM itself is capable of the speeds.
That much is certain, and from my point of view,
they label XMP or DOCP or EXPO profiles or whatever else
pretty clearly. I also think that it's really weird
to go after Corsair for this. Very specifically when it's everybody.
If you're buying Corsair though,
I would think at the very least you read an article once.
Maybe this is one of those things where I'm often lecturing the audience about,
don't assume the knowledge of even people
who participate in this hobby, but good lord.
Avon Fox said in industrial applications,
sorry, in industrial automation things are sold
with actual and theoretical capability ratings.
Or showing a default and a potential.
Yeah, I mean, I guess. I kind of agree with you that I don't think
this should have been targeted at Corsair specifically. Okay, so if ASUS has a 165 Hz...
Okay, no, let's go bleeding edge.
If ASUS has a 480 Hz monitor, how much do they have to disclaim?
How much do they have to disclaim? You're going to need a GPU and a cable
that will actually be able to run at that.
You're putting together a computer piecemeal.
Red Bull doesn't actually give you wings. I think there's a bit of an expectation
that if you are buying a constituent component of something
that you are doing so with some expectation
that you will acquire the knowledge to install and operate it.
I'm sorry, man, I don't like this.
At this level with the explanation that I have heard so far,
I don't like it either.
I wouldn't mind if there was maybe some minor changes to packaging.
It's a bit of a meme going to your friend's house
and freaking out that his monitor is still at 60 Hz is like a thing.
So if there was a little bit better explanation of this type of stuff,
finding people's RAMs at default speeds
is very common as well. This is true.
If there was a little bit more explicit communication, that could be cool, but I don't necessarily know
that it was worth this, and I don't think it makes any sense to target JustCourse there.
Other manufacturers apparently do use terminology like up to
to describe the frequencies that their memory kits will run at.
But this seems to be...
Courser has also denied any wrongdoing here, and this seems to be yet another case where the defendant settles
knowing that the settlement will be less than the cost of litigating it or the potential negative publicity
if they are found guilty.
I think this is lame still,
and I think that while I mean, you know,
frankly I don't have a ton of sympathy
for publicly traded corporations that probably have plenty of money or whatever,
in general Courser has kind of been bros, you know?
I think they've overall stood behind their products
and been pretty chill. Their products can be expensive sometimes,
but I don't think that Courser has been particularly evil,
so if there was someone that was going to kind of get picked on,
I would much rather it be someone that's been, you know,
kind of a bastard at some point or another.
And I just don't think that Courser has earned,
you know, a five and a half million dollar hit to their pocketbook
for frankly something that people could have looked up on Wikipedia
before they went and installed a component product in something.
I don't like it.
Dan, what's next?
I'm not sure, because like I've got an extra sponsors thing
that I'm supposed to throw somewhere and I don't know where to put it.
They didn't wait, this wasn't planned out? I don't know.
I thought it was planned out. Dude, it's Wanshow. I haven't figured it out yet.
It's the redheaded stepchild of Linus Media Group media properties.
Like it's, I've been doing other things.
I wasn't even sure if you're going to make it tonight.
Yeah, how close were you? Dude.
Like did you just walk on the set before I got here? Like five, ten minutes, yeah.
Oh, wow. Also, there was... The street could have been broken today?
I should maybe tell this story right now. Dude, you could have been on a plane.
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There you go. There, Dan. It's done now. Yay!
You can relax. Well, don't relax. We got a whole show to do for a while.
Oh. Oh, okay. Well, I don't think we should do the CW announcements right after we did a sponsor spot.
Well, that's... We really need to get through... Luke has to talk about his thing.
Luke has to talk about his thing. Oh, well, then why'd you put the sign there?
You should put a sign that says Luke talk about his thing. I don't have any more card paper.
Oh, okay. We don't have the budget for that.
You guys make me sound like such a cheap c***.
Honestly, though, I'm glad he said it.
I mean, no, you're not. We love you.
You're so reasonable.
When was the last time I turned down a purchase request?
Name it. Maybe I was lying to cover my laziness.
I literally buy fire trucks for the memes.
Oh, hold on. Never mind. I take it all back. I have a giant stack right here.
Sorry, we lost the budget to have a producer come right now.
Okay. Do I talk about the trip? Sure.
Did you fall? Yeah. No, actually never.
And I climbed a mountain. Nice. Nice.
Yeah. No, I was in Sofia, Bulgaria.
Right. Oh, that's the kind of mountain you were climbing.
Oh. Nah, he wasn't. He's loyal.
Yeah. Oh, or not. You know what?
Whatever happens with full consent from all parties, I don't judge.
That would still be loyal. It's a deal. Sure.
Yeah. Loyal and faithful, I guess, are not quite the same thing.
Correct.
Would it still be faithful if it was like a...
Yes. Okay. No, I think faithful has a connotation of...
Is it like specifically religious? Of... No, no, no, no, no.
I think... Well, faithful has a connotation of 2-1 from my point of view.
I was thinking faithful to wishes and understandings.
Yeah, exactly. And loyal is just like...
Nah, there's like 50 and other people.
Completely regardless. And no, none of that happened anyways.
Look, I wouldn't judge. I wouldn't judge.
That's all. That's all I'm saying. Anyways, I was there.
Yeah. Local time... So Luke was in Sofia.
Yes. Yes. Local time for them.
I left and I think it was 5 p.m. 5 p.m.
Okay. So this is in Belgium, Hungary. Where was it again? Bulgaria.
Bulgaria, right. And I had a pretty tight connection, but it would be fine.
Yeah. Theoretically. As long as nothing got delayed, I would be landing back in Munich
and then taking a train overnight up to Berlin
and then flying back to Vancouver through a connection.
Vancouver. I hardly know her. My God.
It was not Whiz Air. It was Lufthansa.
Yeah. Anyways, because of course it needed to be a fairly tight connection to the train.
The plane, the flight got delayed because of course it did.
Because of course it did. It was only delayed by 25 minutes.
I still could make it. Yeah.
It was going to be close. Yeah. Those can be the worst ones sometimes though
because then they don't proactively reschedule you.
Oh no, the plane and the train were booked separately.
Nice. They didn't care at all. Nice.
Because of course, I didn't even ask because there's no way they're going to care.
So my whole thing like as we're landing is like, okay,
it's close. We can definitely make it. I know the train station is extremely easy to navigate.
So once I get to the train station from the airport.
No problem. Not an issue. I can have like two minutes and I can run all the way to the train
and get on the train. It's no problem. But I needed, I had check luggage.
So I needed the check luggage to come off like pretty quick.
Oh no. No. It always lasts when you're in a hurry.
Guess how long? 20 minutes. Just from when we landed to the, to my bag,
which by the way was in the first three bags to come off.
Guess how long it took from my bag to come out from when the plane landed?
You realize the only solution is gamer jet.
55 minutes. What? It's the longest I've literally ever had to wait
when there wasn't some type of like accident.
There was, there was genuinely like hundreds of people waiting
in the baggage area for two carousels.
I have no idea what was happening. I don't know if they were like short staffed that day or something,
but it took forever.
It was crazy. So I definitely missed my train.
I had like pre-booked the heck out of my ticket because you save a ton of money that way.
Yeah. And I had a direct- He likes saving money.
It's great. I had it all perfectly planned out. It's actually, I think, what gets him off?
A little bit. Yeah. A little bit.
So I had a direct train too, so I knew I could get a decent sleep on the train.
Oh, no. So not only did I have to get a indirect train,
so I had to get a transfer, but also I had to book now last minute.
So I had to pay expensive train prices.
So I couldn't like sleep properly. So anyways, so far we are one Uber,
one flight in, end up figuring out that I can't take my nice one train.
Now I have to take two trains to Berlin.
So I get to the train station.
I'm like, okay, this train is leaving in like, you know,
in 45 minutes it's going to take me half an hour
to get to the train station. I can make this new train now.
It'll be fine. I get there. Okay.
The train's delayed by like 15 minutes. That's fine though. Okay.
The train's delayed by like half an hour. That's fine now. Get on the train.
Oh, while the train is rolling, for some reason it gains another half an hour of delay.
So it gets to the next train station an hour late.
I'm all worried because I'm like, I'm going to miss the next train.
I had an hour to get, I had an hour at the next train station to transfer.
And now I have like four minutes or something.
And I'm like, oh my God, if it's in a weird spot, I'm going to miss my next train.
Nope, not a problem. Because the next train got delayed by an hour.
What is happening? What is up with German, German transportation?
I heard this as like a meme before I went there.
Everything's just delayed all the time, as far as I can tell.
While I was standing in the train station, getting off my train that was delayed for an hour,
waiting for another train that was delayed for an hour, I heard other trains announcing that they were delayed.
Like crazy. Oddly enough,
the trains were extremely comfortable. Very nice.
Right. Just never there on time. Right.
Anyway, so that train gets delayed for an hour. So then I'm waiting for it anyways,
despite thinking that I was going to miss it. Get into Berlin,
take another train to get me from the like main train station
in Berlin to the airport. Yeah. And then that flight takes me to Frankfurt,
and then that flight takes me to Vancouver. And then I get picked up from the airport by Emma and brought here.
So it was three cars, three trains,
three planes, and like 30 plus hours.
And I got to Wench a long time.
By 10 minutes. By 10 minutes. Nice.
Did I ever tell you about how I almost got stuck in LA
when we went down there to collab with Kyle?
I don't think so. Canada. Like didn't have enough air traffic controllers.
Whoa. So a bunch of flights into IVR were delayed.
Whoa. So my flight was canceled.
And then I was, I like immediately went to the Air Canada desk
where they told me there's nothing we can do.
You can have a flight tomorrow, which I said was not good enough because my daughters were having
seven teeth out the next morning between the two of them.
And they were super stressed. I promised I'd be there.
So they said, okay, well, I don't know, whatever. You can call the phone lines because they can do more than we can.
So I called the phone line. They tell me, yeah, I've got a flight for you.
I go, oh my God. Thank God.
Okay. Vance. So the executive assistant here.
Don't bother booking me that WestJet flight that you found.
Air Canada has a flight for me. Then she goes, oh yeah, can you depart from this airport?
I'm like, bro, I just told you I'm at LAX. That is literally three hours from here in LA traffic right now.
And it's 45 minutes until the flight.
How could you possibly think that I could make it? Okay, Vance book it.
Vance goes, oh yeah, by the way, it went up like $400
because everyone is rebooking. It's like going up by the minute.
I'm like, oh my God, book it.
And so he books it. I spend $1200 on a plane ticket from LA to Vancouver.
And then the Air Canada rep goes, actually I've got one for you.
And instead of being a connecting one through like Edmonton or something,
it's a direct flight, but it's like later in the day. Then that flight gets delayed.
So I'm sitting here at the airport. The one that Glenn, one of our shooters, got booked for was canceled again
in the mid-afternoon and then my evening one left an hour late,
but ultimately I did get here. I was surprised Yvonne by being an intruder in our house
and coming into the bedroom. I told her I wasn't going to make it home that night.
You just showed up. Oh my God.
My flight's to Germany for this trip.
I was talking to Sammy about it because I got my two tickets
and my second one. So once we landed in,
man, I don't even remember where our first landing was,
but once we landed there, I didn't have a seat on the second plane.
Oh my God. Oh right. They overbooked it.
I almost didn't get on to the flight. So because she sent me my booking confirmation by email,
so I thought I had a ticket.
So when I got to the counter, I didn't tell the best part of the story. When I got to the counter, I didn't have a seat
because I never checked in, because I was already there at the airport
and I thought that my booking confirmation was a ticket.
I didn't understand the difference. I'd never done that before. And so I showed them my booking confirmation.
I had a barcode on it and everything. I don't know that I would have thought differently. They let me through security with it,
even though I didn't have a ticket. So there was one more middle seat
and they were able to put me in it. The first lady at the counter to get on the plane,
I'd been at the airport for like nine and a half hours or 10 hours by this point.
The first one was like, you don't have a ticket.
And I was like, what do you mean I don't have a ticket? I'm standing here at the gate, aren't I?
How did I get here? But then I realized, oh, they never actually scanned my ticket.
They scanned my passport and they looked at what I had,
but they never actually scanned my ticket.
So I was never checked in. That's wild.
And then the second one was like, move. And like checked for me and was like, okay.
No, I got one. Here's your ticket. And I was like, thank you.
This actually means the world pretty great.
I actually kind of hate traveling. Like that was so stressful.
I like traveling. I actually really do.
I don't like...
I really, really hated rebooking those train tickets.
That pissed me off. Needing to like pay last minute prices.
WestJet wouldn't refund it. Yeah.
They have a zero exceptions. Within 24 hours, I think it is no refunds.
Even if you just booked it five minutes ago, they're like, no.
And I was like, bro, if you unbook it now, you could literally just sell it to someone else
who also desperately needs to get home. They'll do that anyways.
F***ers. They'll just overbook their plane.
Yeah. The thing that saved me getting to Berlin...
$500. ...was that I checked in so early.
And for some reason they just didn't assign me a seat, but I had checked in really early.
So that when it came down to like the seat lottery thing,
I just automatically won. Because I had checked in first by like a lot.
Did I ever tell you I almost missed my play when I went to Edinburgh?
No. Man, when I went to see Joseph.
Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, we almost missed our plane.
We flew into Heathrow, and then our plan was to have a connecting flight to Edinburgh,
and then our connecting flight was cancelled. And the new flight they assigned us was going to be there too late
to see the play. Oh my God. I was only there to see Joseph in the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
with Donnie Osman as the pharaoh. And if I wasn't going to see that play,
then why was I even there? So we are standing there in the airport.
Like, can you rebook us? I'm like, no, no, we got nothing.
Like, okay. Okay, so what are our other options?
We looked into chartering a private plane.
Because like, I literally was only...
You already flew across the world. I was only in Europe.
And I didn't even actually know this at the time, but it was the last performance.
So it was like... I thought you did know that. I didn't know that before we sat down
and they said this is the last performance. So I wouldn't have even...
I could have even like, not known, thinking I could go a day later anyway.
We actually... So turns out charging is really expensive
in case you were wondering. Yeah, very expensive.
I remember from that one scrapyard war. So we found a train.
Oh yeah, okay. And we were like, okay, we can do the train,
which is only like a couple hundred dollars compared to thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars
for the plane, which... What was incredible though was, dude,
I got to say like, the airplane charter business, damn,
do they ever have like customer service figured out?
I emailed. I was like, damn it. They only have an email.
They don't have a phone line. I emailed. They emailed me back in like three minutes.
And they were like, here's our phone number. Let's talk.
And they were like, yeah, we can have you... We can have you taken off within like the next 90 minutes
or something like that. I was like, you just like found one that's nearby
and yeah, we got you. I was like, wow, that's crazy anyway.
So yeah, the plane... So the train ended up running like two hours
and five minutes late, which it turns out means you get your fare for free.
So my story worked out. So maybe that's why I ultimately didn't tell the story.
That makes sense. Somebody in full plane chat pointed out,
in Germany, if your train is 20 minutes late, your ticket becomes a flex ticket.
So you can take any train if you're choosing. That is cool.
The problem for me was the nice pre-booked train that I had
was the one that wasn't late. The plane was late.
So I didn't make that train. And then I had to book other trains.
And those ones were late, but I had to take them anyways.
It didn't matter if I took them later. If I didn't take those specific trains,
I would not make it to Berlin on time to take my flight out.
A couple of people also said, why didn't you just drive?
I did look into that. Dmitri actually suggested that I just drive.
Really? But I went and looked at renting a car.
And the rental car place had a 1.1 or 1.2 star rating.
And all of the reviews were about how they tried
to scam them for damage.
I've been fighting a double charge for a car rental
for a year with somebody's comment. And I was just like, I'm going to take the train.
Yeah, Dmitri's reviews of Bulgaria in general.
No, no, no. This was Germany. Oh, this was Germany. Yeah.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Because I know he had trouble getting review samples sent to him
there and stuff. Oh. Stuff would just get disappeared.
Stuff would happen. I'm not going to say specifically because I don't remember
the details, but he was just like, yeah, sometimes it could be a real challenge to get review samples
sent there. Yeah. I actually had, I didn't take a lot of public transport
in Bulgaria, but like the Bulgarian airport was
completely fine in my experience. No direct planes from Bulgaria.
Well, my flights, I travel in a really whack way where I do
a lot of my travel planning like once I'm already there. So my flights to Canada and back were out of Berlin.
And then the easiest way for me to get to Bulgaria at the time
was through Munich, not Berlin. So when I'm saying I'm flying back to Germany and then taking
a train up to Berlin, I'm flying back to Munich.
Yeah. So it was actually like pretty far from Berlin.
So I mean, there probably was maybe not direct planes,
but easier ones, but my flight was already through Berlin.
And if I don't make that one, that was the one that the company
had booked for me. So if I don't make that one, I just have to pay for my own
entire ticket myself because it would have been entirely my fault.
So like I'd rather not do that. So I'm going to try to make that one.
I wish I journaled more of my crazy travel stories because
they're always like. I took a bunch of photos of like, I have some really funny
ones. Where's my phone? Like the time that I was literally by like 10 seconds on time
for my plane back from Japan.
Like they looked at the supervisor because it was literally like the minute of the cutoff.
And he's like, gives a nod, but like it was bad.
And it was because I was like 42 cents short of the fare for
my train into the airport.
And the lady like wouldn't let me go. And I was like, oh my God, I don't care.
I don't have any cash. I just said, I need to make my plane, but it's Japan.
There ain't a lot of flexibility on that.
So I like this photo because it's like, it's supposed to show
up. By the way, it was my fault entirely. It was only because I accidentally left all of my luggage on
my previous train and I had to go to the lost and found I had
to catch a later train and I like picked the wrong one.
I like picked the one that left earlier rather than the express one anyway.
I've done that before. Oh yeah.
So it's like, hey, it's supposed to show up at like 13
past midnight. It's going to show up at 105.
It is 108. Oh my God. How does that work?
Yeah, that's good math. That's German math. Yeah.
I noticed a couple of times that it's like the delayed time
will be a time that we've already passed. Also, we were rolling slow because we're like near the train
station. The guy said over the intercom, we'll get there at 111,
which is later than either of those times if you noticed.
And then 111 comes and goes and we're still rolling and it
like blew my mind that we're within like slow rolling distance
of a train station and they still can't get the time right.
Like we ended up getting there like, I think two or three
minutes later than the guy on the intercom said, despite
being within like jogging distance of the station.
So here's my question. I don't understand. Here's my question.
Okay. These guys are world renowned for watches.
Is this like a tariff issue? Is there some kind of border control?
I don't know what it is. I'm just asking questions.
The trains in Germany. I'm just asking questions. The trains in Germany were the most comfortable trains I've
been on in my life, especially the last one that I took.
It had like leather seats, like super nice.
And I was in like the cheapest, super saver fare area
and they had leather, like very nice leather seats.
Nice. And we're super late.
I don't get it. German trains are banned by this way.
Swiss are not part of the EU.
All right. That's interesting. Okay.
Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? Oh, do that?
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I also wanted to talk about actually wait.
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I think there's a pizza conspiracy going on,
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Yeah. I was going to say because. What?
Very different one. Disrespect. No.
No. No. One.
Yeah. A much more serious one. I'm kidding.
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Very good. Hey, DLL question. He does.
For Linus. Sometimes. Is there going to be a new winter jacket this year?
Oh, hold on. I might have it in my car. What?
So really do another one for Luke. Oh.
Luke. Luke. I can do a topic if you need.
Oh, okay. This might work for you as well.
Sure. We can ask Linus about the second half when he returns.
How do you feel about so many people having parasocial
relationships with you and your subordinates? I know you more than you will ever know me.
Also, have you ever owned a pet rat or a mischief?
Or a mischief?
Mischief, copy, paste animal.
What is that?
Is that just like any rodent? I don't know.
A mouse? Hamster. Hamster.
Is that like a genus? No. I've never had any of those.
I've had dogs and birds. I have not had a...
Oh, and fish. I haven't had a super wide range of animals.
A group of rats is called a mischief.
Wow. Ha-ha. Learning.
Not a king, I guess. Thank you, Wikipedia. Oh, that's...
Jesus. Christ.
Did you bleep those? I did.
Okay. It doesn't bleep on my end.
You can see the button. Man, what was the question even again?
Have you ever owned a mischief? No, but wasn't there one before that?
You are drunk. Linus, how do you feel about so many people having parasocial relationships with you
and your subordinates? I know you more than you will ever know me.
Also, have you ever owned a pet rat? Or as we now know, a group of pet rats is called a mischief.
Oh, it's this. I think it's weird that people think this is a new problem.
That's my hot take. Oh, the parasocial relationships of pet rats.
People only really talk about it now, but like people were hyper obsessed with like
Princess Diana, the Beatles, like way hyper obsessed.
I would argue more than people are now. I think the difference now is that the people that we have these parasocial relationships
with seem so much more accessible and like real people than the old celebrities were.
Well, they actually can't afford the amount of separation that the old celebrities had.
Well, yeah.
Realistically, I'm not that hard to talk to.
It's not that hard to get my email address.
I won't respond to you because I just get too many emails, especially every time I acknowledge
how easy it is to find my email address. So there's no point.
And if you do email me, especially at those times, I will certainly filter so that I block
probably not only you, but the entire domain that you're emailing from if you work at a
business or something like that, because I just like I can't have people bothering me
and wasting my time. But in terms of like how accessible sort of internet celebrities are, they're super
accessible and not only that, but they're accessible like emotionally because they
have something in common with you other than that they make music you like to listen to
or they sit on a throne that has oppressed your people for hundreds of years.
That sort of thing. I've had someone come up to me and like apologize for having a parasocial relationship and then
like jokingly mentioning some things that happened on WAN as a reference for them having
a parasocial relationship. And I'm like, man, like we make the content so that you watch it.
Yeah. Watching WAN Show is not being weird in parasocial.
Yeah. There's a difference between like knowing some stuff that happens on WAN Show or like,
you know, sometimes they reference like, oh yeah, but I know things that happened in your life.
Like yeah, cause I talked about them on WAN Show. Like that's okay.
This is fine. Like there's a difference between like watching the show.
Between that and walking up to me at the airport and sitting down next to me and just like uninvited
when I'm clearly in the middle of something like talking to me without going away eventually.
To be clear. As if you're friends. Walk up and grab a selfie.
For sure. Totally fine. Yeah.
Happy to do that. And but like, that's the key.
Don't assume that we're friends. Yeah.
And that I'm like, I'm with my family or whatever else.
And even if I'm with my family, you know what? Grab a selfie.
So my new, my new policy, I have a new policy for that. Like I have a new system for that that actually makes it like pretty not disruptive.
So I'll be like, I'll be like walking in a mall and I'm like with my family or I was going to say friends.
No, I'm with my family. I don't have friends. But your friend.
But we don't walk around in the mall together. No.
So I'm walking in the mall and with my family and someone's like, can I get a selfie?
I'll be like, sure. Keep up. Yo, I've done that.
I've done that for sure. Dude, it's great. It's actually fantastic.
Because they get their selfie. I am not separated from my family and everyone's happy.
Hot take. The selfies often end up looking pretty cool too.
Yeah. I don't know why. Just like on the roll is like pretty neat.
I just want to say I had fun chatting with you briefly at DEF CON.
Yeah. I mean, that was probably totally fine.
So that's a different context too though. Like if you walk up and you want to chat with me a little bit at like a whale then or LTX.
I was there purely on vacation. Oh, okay.
That's different then. But it was still totally fine. I mean, it's still, you're at a con.
For sure. I think you're kind of walking it. Yeah.
I didn't mind at all. I'm sure to be honest. Okay.
Yeah. So context is everything.
But anyway, back to the question, the parasocial relationships.
I think the fact that the relationship forms over something we have in common makes it
in some ways stronger and feel more, but also not like, like strong, like bizarre, like
John Hinckley or whatever, like, you know, shooting Reagan over, you know, what's the
name in taxi driver, but like, but like almost like less strong, like more natural because
it just kind of happens over time from, from extended exposure and like having common interests.
Like I, I don't, I don't know, man.
I, I don't think I'll ever be used to it is, is the bottom line.
Oddly enough, I think I kind of am. It doesn't really bother me anymore.
Well, I didn't say bother me. I never really bothered me. It definitely bothered me for a long, well, even just, it can be socially really useful
sometimes. Getting recognized in public, like, like made me deeply uncomfortable at the beginning.
Now I'm used to that, but I wouldn't say, but I, I think I'm not used to the one to
many relationship and I don't think I can ever get used to it.
I don't think we're wired for it. Sure.
I, I, I've two funny interactions I'd had at PAX this year.
One, somebody took a selfie with me and then like 10 minutes later walked by and was like,
Oh, by the way, can you come back like right here in like two and a half hours to take
a photo with my friend? And I was like, no.
And I think that was one of the only times I've ever like, let the annoyance like really
go into my response. So I was like walking with my brother and like one of my high school friends and he like
asked me to come back. I was just like, no, like, what, what do you ask?
Not a chance. Like, I'm sorry if you're watching, but like, no, dude, no, no way.
Can you pull something really similar with me once? Like, like, can I, if I come back, like, can I go get someone and come back and will you
still be here? And I was like, no. Yeah.
I think I was at LTX and like, I was like at a particular spot and I was like, no, I'm
going to be, I'm going to be all over the place. Like I, there's literally thousands of people here.
I don't think that's necessarily as bad. Well, it was, it was, it was, they didn't know where their friend was.
Oh, well, yeah. Okay. They didn't know how long I was going to be standing there.
Are you going to be around for like five, 10 more minutes? No, it was like, I will be back at some indeterminate amount of time.
Stay here. Yeah, that sucks. Bro, I can't do that.
There's no way. The other one though is where I'm saying that like, I've actually find they're actually
pretty often like helpful is very funny interaction.
There was a, there was a YouTuber that I have enjoyed watching it for amount at PAX who
had a little booth and they were filming these five minute podcast things, which I didn't
really know what that was about, but it said, ask me about five minute podcasts.
So I just walked up to the booth thing and was like, Hey, love your stuff, shook his
hand and was like, that's it. I just wanted to say I like your stuff.
And then I was like, before I leave, what's this five minute podcast thing?
And he's like, okay, let's film one. And I was like, all right, sure.
So we just, I like just stood in front of the camera and filmed this like thing with
them. And he's like, all right, cool. Bye.
Two different people like said hi and wanted selfies. And I was like, that was the best timing ever.
Cause now he's like, who the hell is this guy?
That's great. And I hope it comes out at some point.
So I'd like to see it, but I've had times when I'm at a meeting with a potential sponsor
at a trade show and someone will come up to my table and ask to take a selfie.
And they're like, huge, huge. It's amazing how the timing can be so good, especially in the early days, it was amazing
how one person walking up during the meeting meant so much more than 300,000 subscribers.
Yep. Which is, it's, it's, it's how palpable it is.
Yeah. It was, uh, it was fantastic when dating.
It was wild when dating. Every time I went out, I was like, please.
And then it would happen and it was so good.
You could at least pretend not to enjoy it that much.
It was great. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. It was great. You got to play it off as if you're not like, oh, thank God.
It is what it is.
All right. So fame and chicken.
Yeah, dude. That should be the name of your memoir.
Yeah. Did you ever have anyone think it was fake?
Like you paid someone to do that? No, I don't think so. Well, none that said anything.
Oh, okay. I mean, maybe, but I don't think so. Okay.
So I'm ready to, I'm ready to acknowledge the outer wear that I am wearing right now.
Yeah. Cause it's starting to activate. So what's cool about this particular jacket is that it uses a thermochromic material.
It's not like the warmest layer ever. It's kind of like a lightly puffy jacket that's meant to be kind of layered on,
but it isn't, it is an outer layer. So it's kind of like a like a fall, like a late fall, early spring, or like a layered
up winter, depending on your climate. But what's cool about it is that if for whatever reason you find yourself indoors
or somewhere warmer or there's a spot, oh, wait, yeah, let's go this way.
Or there's a spot on the jacket where it kind of folds in on itself.
It's color changing. So cool. So it ends up with this kind of kind of like flame like, like kind of fiery sort of look
to it that as soon as I saw the material, I was like, okay, I don't know.
I think it's really cool. And, and obviously it invites, you know, I was going to say playing with it because
your skin temperature is enough to activate it. My hands are really cold.
Oh, yeah. Do you have warm hands? Yeah. All right, hit me. Right there. Right there, buddy.
How long does it take? Is that good? Yeah, it should be fine.
Yeah, there it is. He's always such a warm boy.
I was going to say, yeah, decent tactical choice to, to like if you, if you have a
girlfriend and you want them to be, give excuses to hug you all the time.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd get the ARM wrap around the back.
Yep. Oh yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. So it's, it's one of those things that some people really like and some people
will not, but I saw the material and I was like, okay, I, I, I need us to do
something with this. So we did a jacket. I think it's pretty cool.
Yeah. Very cool.
Um, all right. How expensive is it?
I don't know. All right. Well, cool.
Answer that question. All right. What are we supposed to be doing?
Ah, yes. The real self-driving was the friends we made along the way.
Um, sources electric.co. Tesla has changed the definition of full self-driving.
You see, FSD, um, is not fully unsupervised autonomous driving.
Go to sleep in the driver's seat, wake up at your destination like we said it
would be, um, when we charged as much as $15,000 for it.
Um, now it has a new definition.
Uh, FSD now means an advanced driving system, regardless of the
marketing name used that is capable of performing transportation tasks that
provide autonomous or similar functionality under specified driving conditions.
Uh, the author opines that the current version of FSD, which requires constant
supervision by the driver, could easily fit that description.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the automaker has updated their language
on their website now selling only full self-driving supervised and not the
previous full self-driving capability FSD.
So we actually have an image here from this is from electric.
full self-driving supervised $8,000.
I don't like that. Beginning in 2016, the company had claimed,
had claimed past tense now because they have clearly changed their messaging,
had claimed that all its vehicles in production
would be capable of unsupervised self-driving.
Since 2018, CEO Elon Musk has claimed
that this year is the year only to reach the end of each year
with the promise unfulfilled. Tesla previously confirmed
that vehicles produced between 2016 and 2023 do not have the proper hardware
to deliver the promised unsupervised self-driving.
Their CEO has discussed upgrading the computers in these vehicles, but there doesn't appear to be
even a concept of a plan for implementing this upgrade.
Very cool. I remember having an infuriating conversation
with finance bro at a party once.
I know this story. That basically boiled down to,
I cover tech for a living and Tesla has a serious problem with their tech.
And the counter argument was,
lots of super smart people have invested, so there's no way they won't deliver on this.
It must be good. And I tried to, I said,
well, do you want to see the tweet where Elon admitted that the cars they've been selling
for all these years can't do it, didn't want to see it.
And I was told that I just didn't understand finance
and that the details of the tech didn't matter.
And I was like, right, but people invest in this company
because of the tech, right? Like that's what theoretically people,
as far as I can tell, Tesla has gone full meme stock
at this point. The stock market wall, almost the whole stock market has.
I wouldn't say almost all. I'd say like, there's a lot of high profile examples
these days, but not almost all. But a lot of the high profile examples
is where a lot of the money in the stock market is sitting currently.
Yeah.
Ginger nutted in Floatplane chat says here's the... Ginger nutted?
Yeah. I like it. I thought that was worth reading out loud.
Oh, no, that's not actually the tweet
that I was referring to. There was one where he far more explicitly admitted
that FSD, whatever the hardware level was
that was up until a couple of years ago, three, I think,
was just never going to be capable of it.
And it was already clear, like way before that, that it wouldn't be capable because they were already using
both of what were supposed to be the redundant computers in order to achieve full level four or level five.
You have to have redundancy, but they like didn't because they were using the whole thing already.
So people had known for ages that it was just never going to be able to do it.
It just took them a really long time to admit it. I just, I don't know, man.
People, I often get accused of being an Elon hater,
but what it really boils down to is I don't respect people who lie to me constantly
over and over and over again and just expect me to keep believing them
because I feel that that shows disrespect to me
and therefore I cannot respect that. If you make a good faith effort to follow through
on the things that you tell me, or if you have the self-awareness to apologize
and make good, then that makes a big difference. But if you just lie over and over and over
and over and over and over again,
then I just, I don't, I don't respect that. I can't respect that.
So there you go. It's kind of, it's kind of that simple.
I remember having a conversation with a family member
about a particular politician. And I basically just went, well, you know,
here's an example of a bulb-faced lie.
You know, why did they say that? It's demonstrably false. And he went, I don't know.
And I went, well, yeah, I can tell you why. It's because he doesn't respect you.
He doesn't think you are smart enough or detail-oriented enough
or conscientious enough to care.
And that's not respectful.
And that was kind of a turning point, which was very, which was a major, major relief.
And to be clear, I intentionally kept that vague.
I think that could apply to pretty much any politician.
There's just degrees of brazen untruthfulness.
Extremely off topic, but I want to bring it up before I forget. I saw Jaden in chat and this reminded me.
He sent me a message after last WAN Show,
where he said, regarding WAN Show discussion, it is possible to assign different icons
to notifications, Android only,
and WhatsApp already shows profile image and notifications.
You mentioned having, I think it was different icons for channels.
So we could do it. We could do it Android only, apparently.
I don't know that we're gonna do that right now. No, don't bother then. I think it'd be better to just have feature parody
and wait for Apple to catch up. I mean, they eventually do.
Sure, sure. Or maybe they just won't. I don't know.
I hadn't noticed it before. He mentioned, I think he,
oh wow, I already forgot I just put it down. I am pretty tired from all the traveling.
Yeah, WhatsApp already shows profile image. So WhatsApp already does it,
but I don't use WhatsApp very much. So I didn't see it there. And not a lot of other apps that I use
seem to use this feature. And I suspect it's because of
just having identical apps on both platforms, but I don't know.
So yeah, apparently that is a thing. I just, I think, I don't remember exactly how I worded it,
but I think I said that I didn't think it was. So apparently it is.
What is the consequence gonna be for this full self-driving, full advertising?
Is, are the regulators going to be empowered
and are they going to have the stones to follow through?
Is it gonna come down to individual owners
to class action this? Like, how is this gonna play out?
Because I think you could make the argument
that a substantial portion, like if Corsair had to pay five and a half million dollars
because some people didn't have XMP on by default
in their gaming computer, right? Like we're talking a hundred, $300 purchase, right?
Some DDR4 memory. Yeah.
How much will Tesla owe when people figure out
that the decade of cars they sold
are not and will never be capable of fully autonomous driving as they were advertised to be?
Meanwhile, and this is gonna be tough to see amongst all the ads,
but there is a headline in the middle there.
Did you hear about this? Yeah, so I think this is a really,
honestly, I actually,
okay, I'm gonna have kind of a controversial take on this one.
I think that this is,
see, I have in the past attributed to 4D chess,
what actually turned out to be phenomenal stupidity.
Right. So I hate making the same mistake more than once.
However, this one smells like a bit of 4D chess to me
because the conditions for that pay package are that the company will have to reach a valuation
that simply isn't going to happen. Optimus is already dead in the water
and everybody knows it. It says specifically they have to ship
like an incredible amount of Optimus. Yeah, they ship like 300,000 Optimuses a month
or something like that. True. What were the numbers? Get me the Optimus numbers here.
So Optimus is their robot that like is already just a piece of dog compared
to like unitary models for a few grand and that they think they're gonna sell for $200
to $300,000 each. Like, to who? What are you even talking about?
I don't even think that article said, I'm looking for another one. Optimus is dead in the water with what logic?
With the logic of the head of the program who just left and was like, peace.
Optimus is dead in the water because they are so far behind.
They can't figure out hands. They can't figure out the AI side.
They can't figure out mobility. So many of the demos that you've seen
have just been remote telepresence effectively of like a human just operating it remotely.
Guys, Optimus is smoke and mirrors.
So yeah, here we go. Here we go.
One million robot deliveries
in a one million robot taxes and opera. Yeah, like this stuff's not happening.
So yeah. So basically, this one smells to me
like it's just supposed to grab headlines with a giant big number
and it's supposed to help pump the stock because oh, well, if this pay package exists,
then there's this path to this. But I mean, obviously none of that is happening.
There's no way that you could be on enough substances
to think that you're gonna sell that many of a product that literally you would have to have a 1000% tariff on it
to make Optimus at the price that they have sort of floated.
You'd have to have a 1000% tariff on it to make it competitive with something
that Unitree is shipping like right now.
I do know that a counter argument is that this is what was said about his first pay package.
Sure. That was when the company was poised for immense growth.
And had a lot of positivity surrounding it and stuff. Show me the immense growth that were poised for.
I mean, in the US, sales are tanking in Europe. In the US, the incentives are going away.
There was a robot at EFA at a booth
where it was a humanoid robot except it had two like airplane cables
hanging it from the ceiling because it couldn't stand on its own.
And it was like leaning over or hanging off these cables.
And it was sorting laundry, but like one out of three times
that it tried to grab a piece of clothing, it would just like fail.
And all it was doing was like sorting colors and whites for washing.
And it was so incredibly slow. And then it got like three quarters of the way through
and it just could not grab them anymore because I guess it was too far down
and it couldn't like bend because it was held by these cables.
So they had to re pour the clothes back into the middle one so that it could keep going.
It was so brutal to watch. It was so raw.
Who was this? I don't remember the brand. It's in the the Floatplane walkthrough with Sammy and I.
Breakdown says I'd pay good money for a real laundry folding machine. You better believe it, me too.
Oh, it wasn't even folding. It was just sorting. Oh, wow. It was just picking it up out of one basket
and putting it into another. So actually useless then. It was really bad, yeah.
Nice.
I feel like this is something completely different.
This is a cooking robot at EFA 25 that appears to be doing basically nothing useful.
Yeah, no, it wasn't a cooking one. Very cool.
It's in the float. We could like kind of show that bit maybe.
Bring it up. So circuit king 98 says LLMs, not LLM specifically
but I think you mean AI. We'll unlock the humanoid robot market.
It's so early people said the same thing about full self-driving eight years ago.
Okay, so there's a couple of things we got to kind of talk about here.
The full self-driving car. Yeah, that's still not done.
So that's one critical thing. The other issue is that I'm not saying
the humanoid robot market isn't coming. I'm saying it's not coming at $200 to $300,000 a unit.
That's the problem. Humanoid robots are gonna be enormous.
Yeah, it's gonna be huge. I guarantee you it's gonna be freaking huge.
Huge. The issue is that specifically Optimus is so far behind
and way, way too expensive. That's the problem.
I'm talking specifically about Optimus. Nothing that they've shown me gives me any Optimus-ism
about how that program is going to proceed. And I can be wrong.
It's happened before. Optimus could end up being 10 times better
than what's coming out of other robotics companies. I haven't even talked about Boston Dynamics at this point.
Like Optimus is so far behind right now.
And they could magically catch up. And that is a possibility.
And if I'm wrong, I will say I was wrong.
Optimus is the prime robot.
I just, I don't see a path to it right now. That's all. Okay.
So this is from,
this is from Luke and Sammy to the EFA show floor.
I'm not going to bother get Dan to get the audio going or anything, but you can see here when he zooms in.
So this is a little bit blurry cause we're like zoomed in over the crowd,
but you can see a hook here and then a wire that goes up
and behind the play button, there's another hook.
There we go. You can see on both of his shoulders, there's hooks and then wires going up.
He's being held up by the airplane cables to the ceiling.
So it can't stand on its own. There's three baskets here on the bottom.
You can see the one in the middle has actually like a bunch of clothes in it and then one on each side.
The basket on from our perspective, the right is for like plain.
I would say you're probably closer to center. My God.
From our perspective, the right, the, that basket is for plain whites.
And then the basket on the left is for colored fabrics.
Oh my God. The middle is the unsorted. Hamnetic says that's robot at Bernice.
Look how slow it is.
Oh man. What is the possible use of this?
I mean, I get it. The point is to show progress. And then look, fail.
And try again. Wait, this is in real time. This is not slow mo.
This is in real time. It actually footage skipped there for a second. I think Sammy cut some of it out because it was so boring.
Oh yeah. And then this one, it has like a hard time getting it out of the basket.
So it takes this whole time and okay.
It finally got it. Then it goes again. It's so rough.
It takes forever. Oh man.
The company is neuro robotics. Yeah, I don't know. And you know, maybe they have something else that's good.
I don't know. Whatever. It's just that was, that was like tough to watch.
I would not have brought that to a show to show it off.
Personally. I mean, it depends where you started.
Maybe, maybe, you know, maybe six months ago, it couldn't pick up the clothes at all.
Maybe this is progress. Sure.
And, you know, I'm not super informed on robotics right now.
Maybe that is good for some reason. Like maybe it was doing something somehow
that was good for some reason. And you wanted investors or something.
Cause IFA is a weird show. There's a really wide range.
Yeah, I've never been actually. Yeah. This is your first time?
This is my first time. There was genuinely just like general public
wanted to go see stuff for funsies people there. There was people that were like definitely buying
for like European stores that needed stock for things.
So, you know, maybe there was investors there as well. I don't know.
Avon Fox in Floatplane chat says it's actually pretty astounding that it can adapt
to something like fabric. As a tech demo, it's amazing.
As a product, it's obviously not. Yeah. And let's see, okay.
So fair enough. And maybe they're looking for investors. They're looking to hire people or whatever. I don't know what the objective was.
I'm used to going to CES where they're trying to sell
or get in the media. Right. So this might have actually been a different objective
and I'm just not used to it. So, you know what? I'm not trying to go after the company.
I just, oof, that's all.
As a product right now, which it isn't in its defense.
Forget IFA, more like Oofa. Yeah, Oofa.
Have you seen some of the footage from the like robot,
the first robot Olympics that they held in China? No.
Some of it's really impressive. Most of it's really funny.
This is, I don't think this is from the robot Olympics, but this is from like our robot martial arts fight.
This one falls under funny.
Oh.
This is from the independent.
There's so much more. You guys are gonna have to go check this out.
They're also just like shadow boxing, like 15, 20 feet away from each other,
just before they actually get close enough to,
I don't know, maybe land a blow. I don't know if they ever actually do land
and he hits on each other. Anyway, it's cute.
Oh, Floatplane announcement. What's the Floatplane announcement?
It's down. Oh, okay. I moved it so you wouldn't yell at me. Well, then I couldn't find it, Dan.
Did you ever think of that? Oh, wow. Oh my God.
We did a seven hour director's commentary
for Scrap Yard Wars 10. It's with a games master, David,
as well as basically everyone except me and Luke.
So that's Hoffman. I'm in like 10 minutes of it. They had me call in. Oh, are you in it?
Oh, cool. They didn't ask me. You didn't blatantly cheat.
What? I didn't cheat. We didn't know. No, apparently we did.
You should, what? We thought we got permission for something
and David thinks we did not. I'm glad we, I swear we did.
What, got permission for what? Don't worry about it.
No, if you wanna know, you should watch the director's
commentary. If you wanna know, you gotta subscribe to Floatplane and watch seven hours of video. What do you mean?
I think we lost. Spoilers, I guess.
What do you, we'll hold on a second.
I thought line is new. I didn't mean to open this worm can.
I'm reading the comments. I don't know if it's even in there. Usually the comments will tell me what was in the video.
Control F, C-A-H-E-A. The comments are about you cheating.
Next time, Dan should be on Linus's team
and do the same amount of cheating.
So Dan knows the answer. Oh no, we both know the answer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but. But I thought you were aware before this.
Okay, Dan.
I mean, we talked to David about this. Talked to David about what? We super talked to David about it.
But there must have been a miscommunication. If you talked to David about something, then you have to have the camera rolling, so.
There must have been a miscommunication. You must have had your tentacle.
There was mic packs rolling. Okay, well then, where's the audio
of you talking to David? I think it's in the commentary thing, maybe.
No, I think it was found in the edit and they just kind of brought it up later.
I can't quite remember, I don't know. Okay, so what did you guys do?
You gotta watch the full- I'm not gonna watch the seven hour video
to find out the answer to one question. I think it actually was just at the start
to be perfectly honest. What happened?
We were like, hey, somebody at work
is getting rid of stuff. Can we get this stuff for them?
Excuse me?
What part of you cannot use your influence?
But you can ask for anything. No.
You can ask David for anything. What? You have super broken the rules like crazy
before by asking David. What are you talking about?
What rule breaking? I could go dig up some examples. I mean, just in this episode,
just in this episode, there was a rule that you had to go out,
you had to stay in pairs and you guys sent out one because you asked David. But it explicitly said in the rules
that you can ask for an exception to that. Explicitly.
What do you mean you don't know? I didn't know it said an exception for that one.
Yes, it did. No, I'm not saying it didn't. I just didn't know that.
Okay. Dude, that's been a rule of Scrapyard Wars for years.
You cannot use your influence. And I would say asking a friend or co-worker
or family member falls pretty clearly. No, it wasn't asking.
They were going to give it away for free anyways.
So it was like, could we know the... That's why we clarified it with David.
...whereabouts or something. And then acquire it that way.
It's a very good thing that,
you know what, whatever. It's been out for over a week now.
It's a very good thing that you guys lost.
See, I thought it was crazy.
I thought it was crazy. I thought he was going to say no no matter what. And then when he said yes,
I thought it was because we must have been getting stomped and he was trying to show runner it and make it closer.
Oh yeah, same. I think what we discussed during this seven hour video,
he was on so many painkillers. And I think there was just a miscommunication,
but we did ask. So yeah, whatever.
Because my thing was like, there's no one that's going to fly, but you can ask if you want.
I think we'll be way more careful next year. Yeah, if there is a next year.
Luke Band, Dan Band. That is wild.
That is wild. Because I mean, dude, I mean, I got friends.
You know, I could be like, hey, Shroud. No, no, no.
Do you have any old gaming PCs you're planning to give away? There was no asking.
There was no asking involved.
I thought that might have been what made it okay. I still, he, I think he just didn't understand
what we were saying. Probably because he was on painkillers. It's whatever.
Okay. So what did you get? It was the speakers or something.
Speakers. So that's how you got a speaker set up for free.
Yeah. I mean, I got a speaker set up in the last grab and it works for free that was arguably better.
So I don't know.
I also actually thought that's why he okayed it was cause it's like actually not that hard to get audio stuff
for super cheap. I had to pay for my audio stuff. The last grab room was like a wicked audio set up
with an amp and everything. If you remember that, that was all, was it free?
Or was it like? I think it was almost free. Like like $3 or something?
Yeah. Listen to him reminiscing about last time, but we're not talking about last time, Luke.
We're talking about this time. Oh man.
That is. And look, look.
I understand that there were a fair number of folks upset
about the fact that my PC was not powered on.
Oh, no, we talked about that as well. We talked about that as well.
We were talking about racing rules. I don't think it should have been,
but I also don't think I should have been able to do a game service thing,
but both of those were totally within the rules. There's definitely some stuff we're gonna have to revise
about the rules. But the thing about Scrapyard Wars is it has always been the letter of the law
and what you can get away with to win.
Yeah, I thought the computer in the corner
was clever more than anything. It didn't bother me at all. Oh yeah, that was amazing. I wanted to make it furniture.
So I wanted a table talk for it.
That would have been great. See like that, that wouldn't bother me at all. That's awesome. That made it into the cut.
That's awesome. If people did see, I think they released it
on LMG clips maybe, but I know it was a Floatplane for a bit. Hold on a second, hold on a second.
VapeDoc in the Floatplane chat says,
you didn't mention the sub.
Oh, that was a, this was a, this was a, this was a, that probably would have been
a bit too far of a stretch. See here's the thing, I don't even understand what you guys needed so much money for.
Cause quite frankly. We blew it on a projector that barely works.
Yeah. Yeah, quite frankly. I, I had to, dude, the, the distribution,
like you guys spent $400 on a couch. I'm sitting here going like, bro, there's 350.
I don't remember what it was. So I wanted the crappy black one. It was a lot more than ours.
I know that much. I do think you guys lost more points for your couch.
Me? Yeah, I think so. You guys should have clearly won to be very clear.
I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to say that. It was very uncomfortable. It was horrifically uncomfortable.
Did you sit on the crack at any point? Oh, dude. Even not on the crack though.
It had the work, dude. It was so bad. The crack was truly a, a seventh level of hell.
Your guys, the couch was like. 375 bucks.
Yeah, okay. It was effectively 400 then. Yeah. I thought it was three.
Did we get a discount from there? No, you got, ours was like, ours was like a hundred or 150 or something.
I thought we got it for less than three cents. Projector was 800 bucks. Yeah, that was rough.
Crazy. I didn't, ah, yeah.
Okay. I don't know enough about projectors. I thought going the projector play was like super good.
Obviously in hindsight, no, but. I think we got locked into it.
We talked about this a lot during the director's commentary.
I feel like we need to like align something. Okay, I feel like we've gotten off topic. I feel like we've gotten off topic.
Tell me about the subwoofer. Oh, that was mine.
Okay. That is cheating.
I think so. That is the most cheatingest thing
of any scrapyard wars ever. So how did that one fly? I have no idea.
That is a giant load of. Did you ask about that one?
Probably. That's a little too blatant for even me.
Cause my, my general byline was like, if you want to do something whack,
just make sure you clear with David.
But then I also didn't know that David was on tons of painkillers.
No, neither did I. I wasn't aware of that until this stream.
Exactly, exactly. Oh my God, you guys.
I'm glad it helped so much.
Wow. It's really lucky you guys didn't win.
Cause I think that actually, I think people would have legitimately been mad.
I think we would have been DQ'd at this point. Oh yeah, absolutely.
We've never, have we ever disqualified anyone? No, and there's been really egregious cheating in the past.
I don't think as bad as just bringing parts from home. Probably not.
I don't even remember what they were, but probably not, no. Wait, didn't we almost disqualify Kyle?
What did he do? I don't remember. Oh, didn't they just fully actually cheat?
No. Paul and Kyle in that thing? I thought they did.
I thought they super did. I don't think so. Did they? They wouldn't cheat.
Does anyone remember? I haven't watched any of the old crap here. Paul and Kyle were outright DQ'd.
Yeah, okay. I thought something happened. Okay, apparently,
apparently we have disqualified someone before. What did they do?
I don't remember, but I remember something happened.
They did, they super did. They screwed themselves with V-Sync.
What are you guys even talking about? Okay, I don't remember.
We need a cheating addition.
They used their own drive. Oh, that's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because their drive died or something, right? Yeah. So it was actually good for the video.
Yeah. Because then they were able to present. Cause didn't, did they win?
Damn, I can't remember anymore. I don't remember. We have to go back and actually like check
our win-loss records. Cause I think we're pretty close to even now.
You might still be ahead of me.
He's like- It's gotta be wicked close or tied. He's like,
pissed. No, I am. Because I see it as like old gen and new gen.
Have I told, have I explained this to you before? What? No, I haven't. Cause there was a huge gap.
A gap? There's a massive time gap in Scrapyard Wars.
So I see it as old generation Scrapyard Wars and new generation Scrapyard Wars.
And in new generation Scrapyard Wars, I'm O and two.
What? Do you only count? So you don't count the one with the teams?
I'm not counting it. I'm just looking at this split.
Oh, so since the Scrapyard Wars pause, you're seeing it as like the reboot.
So in the reboot- Since the reboot, I'm O and two. That's funny.
And both of them honestly weren't that close, which is like bad.
It's not great. No, it's not. This last season was by far, in my opinion,
my worst showing ever. Maybe next time, spend more time.
Sleeping. Not launching a platform the same week.
We tried. Yeah. No, I know. No, no, no.
I really appreciate it. I did everything humanly possible. They actually, for context for the viewership,
they actually moved Scrapyard Wars a whole week for me.
So that he wouldn't have the overlap. And then the launch just got delayed.
So like, I literally sleep. I don't remember a very low amount of hours
over the entire thing. I think it was like- I was doing 16 hours over five days.
I think it was less than that. I might have been less. And I know like the first day of shooting,
like when you see us throwing the money up and stuff, I had been awake for over 30 hours
while we were filming that. So that was the day he decided to buy a projector.
Yeah, like, boom. And then we just kind of ran with it. I have no idea.
Like it was just- It was honestly, if you guys had executed on it perfectly,
I think you could have won. It was a clever concept. I can't understate how like,
f***ed we got from not having them out.
Because actually everyone's time went into
setting the mount up. And I know the people who actually did the mount stuff are gonna be like, what?
That's not fair. It is because then that meant we couldn't like drive places.
Yeah. And but you know what's, you know what the funny part is to me?
It was so rough. I don't really understand.
And I mean, I don't mean any disrespect. I know that in a time of like,
frantically trying to problem solve, sometimes you can come up with not the best solutions.
But like, why did you guys try to 3D print a mount?
Why didn't you just go get a piece of wood and just like screw the piece of wood into the thing
and then just like put it on a fricking like hinge
or something. Like why did you try to, why did you try to 3D print a mount?
Put it on a hinge. Like literally just, literally just put a fricking,
get a piece of wood and literally put a big screw into it
and fricking bend it. You know, like if you're gonna be jank, just like, just jank it.
Yeah, we probably should have done that.
I don't know, but like how, how much time do you think? Put the projector on a shelf.
I didn't even think of that one, which goes to shelf like you don't- I suggested shelf, yeah.
Yeah, why don't you just put it on a shelf behind the couch? Why don't we do shelf then?
They wouldn't go on by one. I got us free shelving,
so I don't think that makes sense. How much time do you think got spent between you
and Justin on the mount and mounting it?
I wasn't involved in the mount.
Mounting it took like way too long. And you read the 3D print at some point, right?
No, I had to modify it kind of last day because yeah, no comment, really.
Chris App says people 3D print things for all kinds of stuff that would be easier
if you just didn't 3D print it. Well, no, that's a thing for sure.
But it like, it literally took like a person and a half
out of the competition for us. Really? Oh yeah, like I genuinely cannot overstate
how devastating that was. Would have been a lot better to just go to a Home Depot
and buy some screws and hinges and things. Sure. Alexander the terrible asks,
can you clarify what the rules were for tools so people can stop saying line is cheated
for using a freaking paint roller? The rules are that we're allowed to use any tools
that we could realistically have access to in the office.
And one 3D printer? And one 3D printer?
There was also, you were allowed to use your own tools. Oh, okay.
Tool use was not the problem? Yeah. No, at all. But it was, but materials counted,
except you had unlimited filament for one printer. For one printer, yeah.
Yeah. And only one printer. And only one. Cause that's the limiting factor, not the plastic.
Yeah. I didn't realize that we were allowed to mount stuff
to the walls with like, they would give us backing wood.
Like if you wanted to mount a TV to a wall. I had no idea that was a thing
until they mentioned it in the stream. Same. Did you know that was a thing?
Yeah. Okay, so none of the contestants knew.
I would have mounted a TV to the wall though. The reason why I asked if you knew was a thing
and was pretty sure you didn't, it was cause obviously you would have done that. No, I wouldn't have.
I didn't have money. I couldn't afford to mount. Dude, I had, I had a dollar 38 left.
Like we, dude. Yeah, we were down to small amounts.
But we scrapped harder than you guys this time. We didn't scrap at all actually.
Yeah. Like you guys paid like, you guys, you guys paid a fortune for your rug.
You guys paid a fortune for your couch. I think we paid, we paid a lot less than you for a rug,
I think. Did you? I'm $20. Rug, rug, rug, rug, rug.
Okay, maybe I'm wrong about the rug, but the couch. The couch was really expensive.
The couch was $375. We thought we had tons of money. When we got the couch.
Rug, $25. Okay, you guys slayed on the rug then. I found the rug.
But just like in general, dude, like I was, I was watching your side. And I was just like, oh my God,
like how do they have all this money? And it's because they didn't need a compute device.
Well, yeah. Like we, we spent almost $400 on a PlayStation.
$112. And then we bought, we bought movies.
Okay, so there's been a lot of talk about the shadow thing as well.
And I feel pretty bad for shadow.
Yeah, they got kind of boned by just our internet being sucked that day.
I wish it was explained a little bit better. It was explained decently well,
but I wish there was like almost a disclaimer on screen of how much testing I did.
Cause this was very explicitly communicated through David. And I think this was actually fine.
He let me do testing of it when it was acting weird outside of ours.
I wasn't allowed to actually work on like my own system, but I could run shadow at my house
and be like, is it working? Right. And I could like go to friends houses
and be like run shadow, is it working? And it was working perfectly fine the entire week
everywhere I tested, which was tons of places.
I don't think this is in the Eula necessarily, but I was sharing the heck out of my account
with like everyone I knew getting to run it from everywhere they could at all times in day.
And there was literally never a problem
except for at our office. And there's something with how our firewall is set up.
I don't remember. Sean was trying to work on it. I mean, I think that's why our adventure time stream
looked like crap too. Probably. It was terrible. It looked like 240p.
There's something weird. And I know that's like literally my department, LOL.
But there's something weird with how that set up and that totally new shadow.
That is not, I know there was some comments being like,
oh, this is just what streaming experience is like. No. And there are some issues there.
Yes, but no. But not at this level, like at all. We have like an enterprise grade connection here.
It's like, I forget what the exact whole thing is, but basically it's the closest thing
to if we had a dedicated fiber line without actually having our own fiber run through the street.
And we've got like three of them. There is no reason why we should have anything,
but the cleanest possible connection to Vanix,
which should have the cleanest possible connection. I've had somebody on a copper 100-100 line.
That ran it great on like a eight year old computer.
Like this was not, it was not shadow.
Yeah. So like, I don't know. It was just bad luck.
The projector, all right, cool. Yeah.
That was not great. Did not executive decision that call just to be very clear?
Yeah. But we were also saying like, you know, sports,
if only I had made that pass. If only I had trained a bit harder,
if only I didn't come to work drunk, if only I, you know, it's like,
you can go look back forever in highlights and stuff like that.
The projector, I wish we didn't make that call, shadow.
You guys could have gotten away with the projector if you had also painted the room.
I can. I originally wanted to do silver screen, but there's so much,
and I don't think we should necessarily talk about it on stream,
but there is a lot of reasons and stuff that we don't really want to go into right now.
I can't explain how torpedoed the team got when we didn't get them out.
When I'm saying a person and a half, at least a person and a half,
we're just removed from the competition when we didn't get that mouth. That's rough.
And yeah, we should have just mounted it in the easier way, whatever.
I also don't even, I mean, I watched the interaction where they picked it up.
I don't even blame them for taking the projector because you guys had decided on the projector
and you did say get them out, but like also like,
you're trying to, you're trying to, like you're under your under time constraint.
Like I understand why they made the call to just take it anyway and go,
yeah, we can figure out a mount because it can't be that hard. I didn't know there was a mount properly.
You know, otherwise it would have been like, no, we need them out.
But I hear you. It was communicated, but even then I wouldn't assume like, okay, look,
if somebody sent me to go get a camera
and they told me, yeah, it doesn't have like the plate that goes under it. I'd be like, well, yeah, I mean,
I'm still buying the camera. I'll figure out, I'll figure out a plate.
Like that can't be that hard. I wouldn't think that getting a projector mount
is that hard. The shadow problems, I did work on the mount side of ours.
I also spent an egregious amount of time working on them inside of ours.
Like between the mount and shadow,
we basically had like, Sammy who couldn't drive around by herself.
I was about to say, Sammy was your team's like standout rock star.
Oh, she's the only reason we got like any points at all. Yeah.
She didn't hit her head. The fact that- And was given nothing.
I don't know how well communicated it was in the video. She had, was it like 14 minutes
to make the room cool or something? Dude, your room went from casting couch
to inviting lobby in like,
a shockingly small amount of time and with very little budget.
I remember her being like, I was very impressed. I need at least 30 minutes.
To be clear, I wasn't surprised because I saw what Sammy did with the budget
that I gave her on the previous season, which was even less.
Yeah. But I was very impressed. Yeah.
Oh, Lordy. Yeah, she did great.
We gave her nothing.
And she did good with it. Okay.
Dunphy says 58 seconds in episode one, can only use items purchased using the budget.
Linus sold a sound bar. Yes.
But I sold a sound bar that I only have
because I bought it. I'm completely fine with that. I think that's pretty standard.
That's canon at this point. That if you can wheel and deal.
Yeah. I don't know if that's in the rules or not, but like that is completely fine.
I think it's allowed by legal precedent.
Sure. I think that is objectively good for the game.
Oh, yeah. If you can flip, like, yeah, totally cool.
Dude, that TV deal saved me. That TV deal was incredible.
I got a 75. Man, watching you wheel for that was so dope.
That was actually awesome. Dude, I was...
Watching it was painful for myself because I was just staring at myself doing dumb things
so I'm way too freaking tired. And then I could see myself
in a conversation with someone knowing that behind the back of my laptop
is actually Sauce Plus instead of Scrapperware's Listing.
So I'm like, man, sorry, entire team. I kind of screwed everyone over this season,
but watching some of your team stuff was cool.
And that wheel and dealing for the TV was awesome. McBain, run the numbers.
I never went negative money last season. That didn't happen.
I thought you went credit card. No. No, I didn't go over budget.
I had to use money off my credit card because I left the cash somewhere.
I wasn't negative budget. I was never out of money.
I thought you did. I just had to move it around creatively because it wasn't in the same physical place that I was.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I, if anything, I have been on my best behavior
the last couple of seasons. I will say much, much better than in the past.
Now it's our turn. Hey, look, look, look, look, look.
I have always. Look at us, we are the cheaters now.
I have always. Where did we learn it, mom? I've always followed rules.
It's just that we used to have much more ill-defined rules
so they were easier to more egregiously skirt.
Whereas now we actually, for better or for worse, we have pretty well-defined rule sets.
So I have to be more creative in my interpretation.
Is the rules around the PC being required should probably be more explicit.
And those were intentionally vague. And Linus, for one season, I think that's not fine.
We were talking about racing stuff on the live stream. Like F1 is basically, that rule book's like 3,000 pages long.
And people still are trying to find ways to do what Linus did with the computer,
which is like part of sport. That's part of sport.
Exactly. Exactly. And it was left vague for Linus to do that.
And you can do that one time and that's good. I don't want to be encouraged
to try a shadow solution again. But it was neat to try one time.
I'm just sad that I really,
we weren't gonna win. You guys won.
I'm not trying to argue that. But if shadow worked-
And my trophy's super cool this year. If shadow worked, I think it would have been a lot cooler.
I didn't know it could have been closer. Didn't even know we were gonna get trophies.
Oh, I didn't know we were gonna get trophies. They were a surprise to me too. Because like the projector was not configured
and the speakers lost their configuration. Someone, this is not why we lost.
You messed us up too. So when I was testing on my laptop,
I was getting 5.1, 6.1.
The little PC didn't, wasn't able to output-
I had to spare a little PC. Maybe you should have tried with that.
Yeah, in the 10 minutes that I had to test everything. I hated one mom and dad fight.
Shut up. He tried to mount the projector all the time. Yeah, this isn't your conversation.
Yeah, get out of here Linus. Everybody, we never fought before you were born.
It's your fault. Ultimately, I was captain of the ship.
I should have done a better job. It lands on me, but- Oh, you don't have to fall on that sword.
No, I think I do. I mean, I'm the one that did not execute on literally anything.
I'm just gonna say my team's teamwork was immaculate.
You guys killed it. We were like, dialed. No confidence. We were dialed.
I had definitely my roughest season and you guys just killed it the whole time.
My entire team, MVP.
Like, Pancras was awesome. Sebastian was awesome.
Natalie was awesome. Dude, we had some really fantastic team moments too.
The fact that we got a room- Oh dude. Is crazy.
Yes. Like the push through at the end was wild.
Dan just like melting plastic knives into the roof.
Crazy. I was not particularly happy that I had to do that
for the record. But it worked.
I mean, country girls make do, right?
My God. I don't know if everyone's gonna get that reference.
You gotta get there. You gotta get there somewhere. Like we're not going to lose.
Or we're not going to- We're not gonna not show. We're not going to...
We're gonna show up for the game, right? Because after like, yeah, there was a moment
where I was thrown a crazy curve ball where I was informed that my little mini PC idea
would not work. And then I lost hours to re-realizing,
oh no, my idea was actually fine. The mini PC would work.
So I lost a lot of time with that. And then I lost at least half a day to that,
which probably wouldn't have lost that much if I was awake.
And then I lost an enormous amount of time,
like almost all the rest of my time, trying to figure out shadow or driving.
That was like all the rest of it. So I was not very useful to the team.
Angry Panda PC in Floatplane chat says, hey Luke, at least you had a very entertaining team.
I think so. You did have that. You guys were very entertaining to watch.
If I tried to detach myself and watch
as if I wasn't in the show, I thought our team was Dan specifically,
it was very entertaining. Roman asks, who threw harder?
Luke throwing the game or Dan throwing the projector?
Oh, but he caught it. Dan, dropping that projector. That was crazy.
That was like one of the craziest Scrapyard Wars moments ever.
If I remember correctly. He was holding half of your team's entire budget.
And not only was I holding half of the budget,
I also fell over the rest of the audio system,
including the AV receiver and literally everything else.
So in one tiny little move, I could have destroyed all of our equipment.
I thought it was gonna fall through the wall because it's like paper thin,
but no, it seemed okay. I crushed it against the wall with my hand
and that broke its fall. So good. I heard you told me a little bit about it,
and then- I was not gonna tell you anything about it. Yeah, I think you told me that you bled,
but that I'd have to watch it in the edit. And then watching the edit the whole time,
which was like, oh my God.
That was amazing. I think people didn't, because we were talking in Canadian dollars,
I think people didn't fully understand how good my TV deal was, by the way.
This is what I paid for a 70- Dude, your PlayStation deal was insane.
That was a great deal. The PlayStation deal and the TV deal were crazy.
For, so that was another thing that people didn't fully appreciate
was my price on the PlayStation. They were like, why is London so excited about this price?
Because I paid Canadian freaking dollars. 400 bucks in there.
Because what's communicated to the audience at the beginning of the episode,
I think, is that we have $1,400 or whatever? Yes. But then the whole time we're actually talking-
In CAD, $2,000. We're talking about $2,000. So it's a little confusing as a viewer.
I'm gonna check in for the PlayStation again. Was it 400? You said 400 bucks, yeah.
CAD, TSD. So I paid 288 US dollars for a PlayStation 5.
When I saw that in the episode, I was like, that's just- Two dual senses.
I hear 460. And I got-
460. 460. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, let's fix it.
I paid 460. 460 with the three games, though. I'm two controllers.
I paid $332 for a PS5, two dual senses, and three games.
One of the games I sold for like 20 bucks, I think, $15 or $20.
So I actually paid like 320 bucks US
for a PS5 and two dual senses.
And then for the TV, I paid $396 US dollars
for a 75 inch TV with a free, like $200 MSRP,
so $150 US dollar sound bar that I sold for a hundred Canadian dollars.
So I paid like $320 for a 75 inch TV.
First of all, Pankrat's watching right now. I had no idea you were the guy at the shipping can from that.
I had no idea that was him. That was nuts.
I didn't know that until he told me. No one told me until I was just watching the episode.
And I was like, wait, what?
And then obviously it was like obvious when watching the episode again. So David Pankrat's from my team this year
is the guy who gave Luke his free PC last year.
I didn't use any of it, but. Well, whatever.
So that was nuts. And then when he was like selling the sound bar
and the guy offered a hundred bucks or whatever, and then I think he tried contacting you
to like see if it was cool or not. I was like, oh my God, just take it.
I was worried he was gonna not get the deal. We got an offer on it really fast.
People were like, because it was brand new in box, right? That's always my concern with trying to resell
is if it doesn't work out, you can be kind of screwed. But that TV was probably worth buying anyways.
Well, last season we ran into trouble
where we used far more than what we had budgeted for the PC
and we had like two full computers worth of stuff.
And people were like grinding me on the price trying to get me to bundle basically all of it
for like, well, realistically, it was about what I paid anyway.
So I wasn't gonna lose money, but I was stressed because I was like,
I wanted to get rid of it for like a decent price. I wish we'd sold you the CPU last year
when you guys wanted to buy it and we thought you were just messing with us.
That would have been so funny. That would have been funny. That would have been a first for Scrapyard Wars
is one team actually buying an item from the other team.
I hope it happens someday. I'm not gonna force it. No, no, no.
But I hope it happens organically someday. It would be very funny.
Oh man. Anyway, if you wanna see us talk about this
for seven hours straight. Oh yeah, right, we should move on. Check out the Floatplane episode.
Floatplane episode. Oh, also there's another Floatplane exclusive this week,
Luke and Sammy visit IFA. That is, wow, that is quite the thumbnail.
We did that on purpose. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah, well, people like this. I was talking about, heck yeah.
I was talking about how, with Sammy, I was talking about how thumbnails with mouth open
get less views. Really? And then he was like, it's Floatplane. Let's just send it.
I was like, okay, sure. Interesting.
Is there a correct amount of mouth open? This is apparently a Mr. Beast thing.
So if you look at like, let's see here.
If you look at his stuff lately.
Yeah. So like if his mouth is open, his teeth are clenched.
Like he doesn't have mouth gimp. Oh yeah. Interesting.
No mouth gimp. None.
Oh yeah. There's a little bit right there. Little one, little one, tiny, tiny, tiny.
And there's technically a little one right here. Yeah, okay.
But only like very, very minor. None of the like, that we're used to from back in the day.
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's been going on for quite a while now.
Yeah, and yeah, they released a thing a while ago saying they did, they did a bunch of A-B testing
of like the exact same thumbnail. But just. One of them had some mouth gimp
and one of them didn't. And the one without mouth gimp always performed a little bit better.
Interesting. Yeah.
How do you know there's differences with different audiences and stuff? Like I don't know that that's gonna work
for whatever different YouTube channel, but yeah.
All right. Why don't we jump into whatever we're supposed to do? So I said Jimmy showing off those new veneers.
As far as my understanding goes, those are Photoshopped.
There's some weird, I watched a thing on it. There's a weird, they do it NVIDIA sometimes too.
And he'll like turn it away and it'll like turn off and you can see his normal teeth
and then he'll turn back and they like clip back in. Odd.
Really? Odd choice, yeah. Oh.
Really? Apparently he has, it wasn't Photoshop, he has new fake teeth.
Oh. Crazy.
Don't veneers like ruin your natural teeth though? I have no idea, dude.
I thought they did. I thought they have to like shave down
part of your teeth in order to apply them or something.
That always seemed like an odd choice to me.
And this is even coming from someone
who has like done face treatments and you know, whatever, right?
Like I've done Morpheus 8, I've done Micro Needling.
Yes, your actual teeth are just little spikes
you've gotta be kidding me. Crazy.
They're covers more than like gluing plastic to the front of them.
You have to permanently have them?
Shut up. I have heard about regrowing teeth though.
They're working on, I think it's a drug treatment, right? Where they can like stimulate teeth regrowth or something?
Huh.
It's just better protecting the net. Crowns do the same thing,
but basically just artificial protecting the natural part.
But can you have issues where like the real teeth under it
are like impossible to clean and therefore they can like decay or something?
I don't know. I haven't looked into, I haven't looked into veneers a ton.
Yeah, so they did use AI to edit his teeth for a while.
But apparently- Hold on, hold on. Okay, where? Cause I had seen stuff like this before.
So you see like here, it's just a flat line
and then he actually has like shape to his teeth. Right, right, right, right.
As people do. I'd seen someone make like a,
there's a whole video with like a lot more detail on it.
Yeah, I just, I can't imagine carrying that much about Jimmy's teeth, but sure.
Oh no, I thought it was interesting like the lengths they would go to and the fact that they went to those lengths
but then also left examples of it like clipping back
to real blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, I guess he has veneers now.
I don't know. Dude, if I had major dental issues, I think I would just go straight
to like solid white gold teeth.
Yeah, why do they have to be separate? Can't they just be like one?
Well, no, no, no, no. Individual solid one teeth. One tooth.
I think I would go, I think I'd go straight for just the implants. Dan just wants like a-
Like a, like you ever, you get the mouth guard. It's a blade.
Just give me a giant gold blade.
Are you carrying the mask look?
Yeah, there you go. So muckin'.
That's an old reference. Horrifying.
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So the only, don't go away, stop it. I'm trying to put it on Luke Cam.
Okay, there we go. What are your notes for this?
Oh. Wait, what? What are your notes for this? Okay.
Well, Luke, tell the story of the magnificent pizza you had in Berlin.
I will not touch the thing. What are dance notes? I don't know. I don't know.
There's anything prepped. They never tell me anything. Okay, well, a long time ago,
I've been to Germany either two or three times.
Was it two separate trips for Sennheiser and Cherry?
It was one trip. So I've been to Germany twice then.
And one time I did some adventuring with Brandon afterwards, the last time I was there.
And we went to specifically one place that had pizza,
and only one place that had pizza, and we ordered a margarita pizza,
and it was the best pizza I've ever had. Nice. So when I was going around doing random stuff
with Sammy this time, I was telling him all about the pizza and how good it was, and I was saying he should get one.
We ordered a margarita pizza, and do you have a photo of it?
Is that what you have? No. Then what's prepped?
The shot calls, like regular cam.
There's no luke cam call in this. Okay, sure. And now there's no music.
Anyways, when I think of margarita pizza,
this is what I think of, which is what comes up
when you search margarita pizza and Google images. That's a lot.
Margarita pizza, and you get a pizza. Disappointingly, there is no alcoholic slushy beverage.
I mean, sure, it says pizza. I mean, yeah, sure. Margarita pizza.
I'm sure I could make an AI image of that. Vlime and tequila. But you see, like this is kind of the quintessential one
that I think of. Sure, yep. You have, you can usually see the sauce
between the mozzarella slices. You've got basil, like a pretty substantial amount
of basil. Cool. We got a pizza that looked a lot more like this,
except just no green at all. Disappoint. It was just what I would call, as a North American,
a cheese pizza. Yes. That's it.
I thought we got pizza scammed because they had a photo that looked almost exactly like this
on, I think it's an AI photo, but they had a photo that looked almost exactly like that
on their menu. We ordered a Margarita pizza. Are you going somewhere with this?
No, I don't know why this is part of the announcement. So you had bad food.
Yeah, basically. We then asked Flo Plain, and apparently
this is a Margarita pizza? Yeah, it is. That sucks.
I hate that that's true. Yeah, they both, it basically just means cheese pizza, but.
That's ridiculous. The fancier ones are just like nicer cheese pizza.
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, I've had Margarita pizza that is that, and I don't order Margarita pizza anymore
because every time I order it, it is deeply disappointing.
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So we were just supposed to talk until someone said the word disappointing.
I have no idea. No, you will answer for this. I don't think it was Dan's plan.
Regular cam. Luke, tell a story about the magnificent pizza
you and Sammy. Linus cam, you know what's also disappointing wrist pain.
So I was video insert number 21-3 injury.
You got it, you nailed it. I mean, I'm not good. I was trying to get us there and then you just.
This is also the first time I've seen you so the wide cam in a shot call.
True, cool. Okay. Anyways, it pisses me off
that those are both Margarita pizzas. I think that is stupid.
And I think people need to get their act together and figure that out.
Cause that is absurd. You know what else is stupid? Google's Android shenanigans
and they've been officially called out by a GraphinOS developer
on the official GraphinOS Twitter account
for recent moves that make GraphinOS less secure.
Ugh. It's a strange time to talk about Android protecting users.
Android recently changed the security update system in a way which massively downgrades security
and puts users at risk. Commercial exploit companies and governments
can easily obtain access to broadly distributed partner previews.
Adding four month delays for patches is atrocious.
Also in June, you claimed AOSP wasn't going anywhere.
You then proceeded to not release the July or August monthly updates to AOSP
followed by not releasing the September quarterly update. You officially communicated to the media
and said AOSP releases were continuing followed by three months of not publishing releases to it.
Why should people believe what you say about side loading?
Well said. Well said, GraphinOS.
Thank you very much for that. Google, get it together please.
Cause I actually do want Apple to have competition. I think it's good for them.
Intel, speaking of things that happen when you don't have enough competition,
they just love 14 nanometers so much
that they launched yet another 14 nanometer chip this week.
The source here is Tom's hardware who is reporting on Intel's new 14 nanometer
and I kid you not, plus plus plus desktop CPU
that it turns out is just a 10th gen CPU from,
is it four years ago? The Core i5-110 appears as far as anybody can tell
to be literally a Core i5-10400 from 2020.
So sorry, excuse me, five years ago.
Here's a comparison page of the two CPUs
from Intel directly. So we're gonna start at the bottom, okay?
Just for funsies. VTX with extended page tables, yes, yes.
Virtualization technology for directed IO, yes, yes.
Virtualization technology, yes, yes.
Intel stable IT platform program, no.
Oh, also no. I'm not gonna read all of these.
So we're just gonna go through and see if there's any differences
that Intel can identify between these two chips.
Any at all Intel waiting for it.
No, no, yes, yes. Package size, identical, T-junction identical.
LGA 1200, brother. You are launching a CPU
on a two platforms ago socket.
Are you kidding me right now?
And it's not like when AMD launches a new AM4 chip
and we're like, hey, bro move.
Cause there's a lot of AM4 users out there who are running legitimately like much older chips
that might need an upgrade now. This is like, you only supported this
for a couple real generations and then some like weird refreshes.
Some Faco ones. So people who have this like already have a 10th gen CPU.
This isn't an upgrade to any of that. Okay, scalability, one S only, one S.
That means the same thing. Yeah, so far as far as I can tell
the differences are actually just the same. They're just written different. The device ID is the same.
Do we need to keep going? Let's keep going.
Quick sync, open GL support. Oh, Lordy.
Yeah, that's all the same. That's all the same.
Oh, 1.10 versus 1.1 gigahertz.
Data entry is really fun. It's DDR4.
They're launching a DDR4 CPU today.
What, why, why call it a new CPU?
Literally, the only difference is the launch date.
These are all just zeros.
And the name.
You didn't even f**king discount it.
Now, to be clear, the fact that they are the same price
on Arc, or sorry, Intel.com slash content,
which used to be called Arc, and used to have a cool brand, and was way cooler.
Way cooler. Just because it says $200 on Arc
does not mean that Intel expects anybody to pay $200 for these.
What is realistically probably happening is these are for developing markets
where there's still a good volume of like old socket,
old chipset motherboards, and they can kind of dump them into markets
that are, for example, that have extremely high taxes
on the form of tariffs on imports, for instance.
And so it's just at a high price to make sure that nobody outside of those markets
is gonna be caring about this and clamoring for them.
But like, can we just stop with the deceptive branding?
This is not a new product. It doesn't need a new name.
Just sell cheap 10, 400s.
I don't get it.
Yeah, I don't understand what the- Oh, I do get it. I just hate it.
What is it then? What does the product launch help with? The product launch helps make it look new
to people who don't know, and to people who won't do this comparison.
So someone who, like, think about the way that, okay, I'm gonna have to come up with an example.
I was gonna say blender, but you would research the crap out of a blender. So think about the way that you would buy-
Good luck finding an example. You don't buy anything.
And if I do, I research the crap out of it. Think about the way that Emma would buy a knife.
Okay. She would go to a store,
and there would be some knives.
And if one of them was the same knife from five years ago,
but with like, but it was, you know, we had a new handle on it
that made it look like the knife from this year, which realistically, if it's a knife-
And it was called the 2025 edition or whatever. That might actually be the only change.
She'd be like, that's the new one. And so to the person who's going in
and not like an enthusiast for knives or, you know, whatever,
they just go into a store and this is a, this is Core Ultra.
I love how you, you picked a category that we have like, solid ones in because I looked it up.
Yeah. Well, like, look, the point is that most people don't care about the things
that don't really impact them that much. I suspect you wouldn't research a water bottle very much.
No. I think that you would just buy a water bottle and you'd be like-
Before LTT ones, I just had an Lgine ones. Yeah. It would just be kind of whatever.
That is fair. And so there are, there are absolutely categories
that we're not enthusiasts for. And that's who they're targeting with this. I mean, it's not like a, it's not like a cutting edge,
top of the line gaming processor. It's like a, it's a six core 10th gen, right?
So, which to be clear is actually still gonna provide
pretty decently good gaming experience
if it's paired with a, with a, like an appropriate GPU. It's a, it's a, it's a good chip.
And so my problem is not that they're selling it. My problem is just like,
why do we have to have this deceptive branding? I hate it.
Just tell me what it is.
That is my end of my TED talk.
eBay restricts items over $500 from shipping to the US
On August 27th, eBay started enforcing an update
to its seller listing policy for sales to the United States
to limit the sale of items from certain countries
to $500 including shipping. According to the policy page on eBay,
there had previously been restrictions in place, but for items up to $2,500 in value.
The list of restricted countries is available on the eBay source link here.
And eBay states that the policy is to ensure
a good shopping experience for US buyers
and maintain high quality shipping performance. I've actually seen quite a few Americans upset
about shipping times for, I saw,
I saw one that was about dbrand, which we are our sponsor team is looking into.
But what I will say is probably it is,
it has been very challenging to get shipping, to get shipments into the US in a timely
and cost effective manner with all of the tariff.
Will they won't, they will, they won't, they yes, they will, but not like this sea sawing
that has been going on. So this is, this is a practical impact.
This is interesting because I looked up the list that they linked and like Canada's not on here.
Why Portugal, but not Spain. Germany's not on here.
Switzerland's not on here.
No France. But French Polynesia is, and French Guinea.
Guyana, I don't know. Singapore is, that's kind of surprising to me.
I don't know, man. Is Taiwan on here?
Nope. Are you saying Taiwan is a country? Yeah.
Based. Hell yeah.
Based as fuck. Hell yeah. I just, is China on here?
Oh, I don't know. No.
What's the decision making here? I don't know.
I just am saying, yeah, this is what, this is what happens when things are confusing.
Things get confusing. Hey though, Nintendo got another video game patent.
Yay, I know you were excited to talk about this.
It's interesting. I don't obviously like it,
but I think it's something to be aware of and it's interesting. Nintendo has been granted a patent
that covers the ability to summon another character and make them battle on your behalf,
which by itself is like, oh God.
It then goes on to describe things in more detail. A console or other system is being used
to run a video game from storage. That was kind of weird.
Just off the hop. I thought that was weird because why wouldn't a game cart count?
Maybe that counts as a form of storage. I don't know.
The player controls, right? Yeah, anything is storage. Yeah, exactly.
So it's playing a game. A CD is storage. A floppy disk is storage.
RAM is a form of storage. I mean, I wouldn't call it storage.
It technically is though.
If I had in my house a cremation, you know, oven, right?
Would you call it storage? I mean, in that case.
If every time the power goes out, it stores, the fire goes on.
Dust. Like, I don't think your fireplace is storage.
Sorry, I'm sorry. I disagree with you. So if you loaded a game into RAM,
you could avoid their patent? Sure.
That's my interpretation, not a lawyer. Go ahead. I don't think it is.
I think it is storage. But anyways, a console or other system is being used to run a game from storage.
The player controls a character in a virtual space.
The player can perform an input command to make a sub character appear,
i.e., summon another character. If there's an enemy where the sub character appears,
the player can control a battle between the sub character and the enemy.
And if there's no enemy where the sub character appears, the sub character will automatically move around.
Okay, isn't this just a familiar? Is Nintendo, do they, they got this patent?
The player, yeah. The player can move the sub character to a different location on the field.
And if an enemy is there, they can control the battle between the sub character and the enemy.
I think one of the minor differences is that
the battle wouldn't be between like you and your thing.
It's just a battle between the thing
that you're controlling and one enemy in this case.
You're not involved other than commands.
Because I thought like basically any video game warlock,
like think Diablo, not warlock, I guess, Diablo necromancer, you're summoning a thing.
It can go out and fight things, but it doesn't perfectly follow this
because it's not like one summon
because in Diablo usually it's multiple and they just kind of hover around you.
You don't like send them out and it doesn't create like one-on-one battles.
They just all fight, right? So it's like it doesn't perfect,
the like Necro example doesn't perfectly fit this thing.
I don't think.
The reason this could be scarier than a traditional trademark is in the case of IP law,
Nintendo is required to fight and protect itself with a trademark or else they could lose it.
Patents are not like that, meaning Nintendo technically has to pick
and choose privileges on which infringement they want to pursue, which gives them even more power.
They can let people that they like get away with things and they can go after others
and that won't make them lose this patent.
Discussion question, is there a universe out there where a patent on a video game mechanic like this
could be good for the consumer and I can't imagine one?
Although it is getting really weird with basically every popular game
getting immediately ripped off by Roblox.
Hmm, so I'm not sure how that works.
Someone in Floatplane chat said apparently a part of the patent is that the thing
has to be stored in a sphere. So basically they're trying to patent Pokemon battles,
essentially.
Man, could Nintendo just, like Nintendo has no problem
being the beneficiary of innovative gameplay mechanics.
I don't believe that Mario Kart was the first racing game, for instance.
I mean, they're like sports titles, we're definitely not the first sports titles.
But when they're on the other side of the equation, they behave like petulant children.
I don't think there's really any good justification for this.
Adam added to this. Okay, hear me out.
Could we create a system where large Corpo plaintiffs are allowed to sue
but they have to cover the legal costs of the defendant
until the decision is made?
That would actually be kind of a cool way
to disincentivize like bullcrap lawsuits.
It's very interesting.
Could be extended to DMCA takedowns. If Universal wants to sue you, they can
but they have to pay your court fees while you defend yourself.
That would be kind of wild. I think it's really interesting. I think there's some concerns of like.
And to be clear, until they win, if they win, then you're responsible
for whatever the judgment is. I still, I kind of like this. I think it's worth doing.
I do think there's some concerns. Like I think people might get a false sense of security.
They're like, I'm obviously gonna win this. And then they have infinite money on their end
and they just win through money, which is like a thing that you can do. I think you could set it up
so that you have to provide the same funding to both sides.
So if you basically, you have to, so you have to in escrow or whatever.
You have to like, you have to, or not in escrow because then the defendant wouldn't actually have it.
But whatever you spend pursuing, pursuing it.
I think it would have to only apply to like individuals. That's also cool and interesting.
But it comes with its own pitfalls in my mind because again, false sense of security,
if you think you're gonna win, this could ruin you for your entire life.
Versus a slap on the wrist for the game company. But you'll have a super cool team of lawyers
to tell you you're not gonna win.
And then you'll still do some. And then you'll settle. Not as much I guess, yeah.
So you'll have to reach some kind of settlement. The point is just that you wouldn't be able to
intimidate people. I think it's cool in general. You wouldn't be able to just. There's definitely an idea here
that I think we should do as if we could do anything.
Yeah, when we're in charge of Canada,
then we will be sure to implement something like that.
Running Marathon. Yeah, actually kind of cool.
Carney ran a marathon. Oh, did he? Got a pretty good time apparently. Oh, okay, man, good for him.
I didn't actually look into it because I don't care.
I saw. But I mean, that's neat. I saw that there's talk of as part of the rift
with our Southern neighbors and attempts to mend fences
with our far Eastern neighbors, perhaps getting rid of the 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs.
I've heard very rumor mill things about this.
It's very interesting. Prime Minister Carney, if you're watching,
I have a humble request. If you're going to do this,
I want a commitment from the Chinese EV manufacturers
that they are gonna replace the manufacturing jobs that we are going to be losing, especially in Ontario
with their own manufacturing within our borders
that will at some point probably end up serving other parts of North America as well.
I think that's one concession. I also think that we should be getting strong investment
from those companies in renewable energy here to support the EV charging that we're going to need
to do a lot more of because we're gonna have like $11,000 EVs.
That is my two cents on the matter. I also think that we need to carefully consider
our strategic minerals and not give up too much of that
as part of this whole process. Because I suspect that would be part of,
well, look, I have no problem with the Chinese mining the minerals
if they're also manufacturing the batteries and EVs
within Canada. They can capitalistically benefit from that harvesting
by selling within our market. They can have access to the market.
I mean, I don't think I'm gonna get my deal because we also need like canola farmers
to be able to export to China and stuff. There's a whole thing there. But I want some automotive manufacturing on the continent.
You can't just like wage. We are the only ones who can manufacture cars
anymore warfare. I don't think that's cool.
Yeah, I think that's exactly what they wanna do though. Well, that is exactly what they wanna do.
Yeah. How would you tackle the jobs thing?
Because this is a song that has been saying many a time
where a company is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna get a ton of jobs here.
We're gonna build this like massive factory and then it's 90% automated and there's 10 jobs.
So do you do like it has to be X amount of jobs
that are in some certain level of average income
versus the country's average is whatever, I don't know.
I mean, it obviously needs some consideration because I don't really care if they're manufacturing jobs.
They could be service jobs. They could be whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter. As long as there is a net positive workforce benefit
to having this work being done here. I think I actually do care.
You care about specifically manufacturing because remember that automated equipment
is on our soil now. I care in the sense that it should be defined.
I don't necessarily care that it needs to be manufacturing
because the reason why I'm saying I do care is because you just had service jobs.
If they end up just like opening a bunch of restaurants and then just like-
No, not service jobs. Okay, sure. I see what you mean. So I meant service like in the like main-
Just like with Scrapyard Wars, they're gonna try to work around.
Yeah, if there's anyone who would outstrap Yard Wars us, it would be the CCP.
FanboyNZ says, hot take Linus, Canada car makers should compete.
Which ones? Beaumont?
Our domestic automotive industry was gutted decades ago by the Americans.
So we're basically just trading one for another
at this point. Make Bombardier, make cars.
You mean Bombardier? Bombardier, Bombardier.
I want a Bombardier car, dude. WTF is a Beaumont.
Beaumont, Canadian car manufacturer.
Here you go. Here you go. Beaumont automobile.
This is a 1968 Beaumont SD 396.
Dude, they're kind of sick. Not gonna lie, pretty cool.
Looks a lot like a GTO.
Midsize automobiles. Oh, it was a make,
made by General Motors of Canada. So even then it was like,
it was based on the Chevelle. It was barely even Canadian. Dude, a Bombardier car would go sick.
Go really hard though. Yeah, over the snow.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They make planes. A lot of companies that made planes went into cars.
They actually make the sickest plane right now.
The Global 8000 is like.
I'm just saying the BMW logo is a propeller.
There are lots of car companies that made planes. Oh, this thing.
Proud Canadian here, boys. It is the fastest business jet in the world.
It has a range of 8000 nautical miles.
This thing can go almost 15,000 kilometers
on a single fill up. And it travels at Mach 0.94.
Wow. I think it's the fastest plane since the Concorde.
What don't they have that? Well, that carries passengers.
Okay. Yeah, obviously a fighter jet or whatever. No, no, no, no, no.
I thought they had like a new, new, new Concorde thing going on.
I think there's something in development from, what's their nuts, Boeing or something,
but Lord only knows if that'll ever be finished.
Seven of lesbians ask, does Bombardier even exist anymore?
I thought they were gutted by private equity. I don't know. It seemed to be doing okay.
Shows you what I know. If that's true, but no, that's not my understanding.
I thought Bombardier is kind of doing stuff at this point. Into the airplane is misinformation.
Regardless, my point was that a lot of companies that make cars used to make airplanes, and that's true.
I don't really care too much about the logo.
Anyway, yeah, global 8000 looks sick.
Could literally never afford one. Ed Zeem in Floatplane Chat says $78 million price tag.
Uh, uh, uh, uh.
Hold on. Do they have any interior shots?
I mean, the interior is basically gonna, look how big the Windows are. My goodness, dude.
Like what, are you kidding me?
The healthiest of cabins. Look at this.
Oh my. Look at this. God.
I guess I'll just sleep in my, like, I don't know.
That's at least a full, right? Is that a full-size bed? Yeah.
It looks like a full to me. And here's the cuck chair built right in.
Rough. Sorry, what's rough?
Being. Not the fabric on the cuck chair.
I'll say that one. Yeah, no, definitely not.
Okay. Anywho, what are we supposed to be talking about?
Ah, yes. Okay.
Okay. I just liked this because it's what Owen,
Uncle Owen and Aunt Baru did in Star Wars. Oh yeah.
This is kinda. It's a moisture evaporator.
What are they called in Star Wars? Are they called moisture evaporators or?
I thought they had like a few different contraptions. I don't know, but basically.
Moisture evaporator? Well, yeah, that doesn't make any sense. What are they called?
Well, just moisture farmer. No, no, I think the thing's called something.
He's not talking about the profession. Moisture evaporators. Yeah, moisture evaporator.
Wait, that doesn't make sense either. Moisture evaporators?
Yeah, that doesn't make sense because that would turn it to vapor. Seems weird.
Moisture evaporators is right. It says pancreas. I trust pancreas.
Moisture evaporators, I mean, it's Star Wars technology.
It doesn't matter. It is now there's Star Wars technology. And that was all I really had to say about that.
Yeah. I just saw this thing and I was like, oh my God, it's Star Wars.
MIT is testing a new technology to pull water from the air.
The idea is not new, but the hydrogel technology they're using is.
It's a window-sized panel made of absorbent hydrogel infused with salt folded up and closed in glass.
The material absorbs water vapor from the air and swells,
then it shrinks as it evaporates. The water condenses on the glass and flows down a tube.
Currently it makes about two thirds of a cup of water a day,
but requires zero power.
The hope is that these could be scaled up and improved to provide drinking water for a single household.
Could be great for emergency situations. And the discussion question is,
how much moisture was Uncle Owen farming?
I don't know. Presumably quite a bit
because he had like hectares of these moisture evaporators.
So Star Wars. I think they kind of brush over it,
but I don't think...
Tatooine have lakes? I don't think any at all. So I think all of the water for that entire planet
was from these moisture farms. So it must have been like an incredible amount.
Yeah. Why did anybody settle there?
It's crazy. Mexico is taxing video games.
I mean, you can say that about places in the world now
in real life. Well, yeah, but in the world now in real life, they were like always there.
But like Tatooine is like space travel. Like I understand why the Tuscans are there.
I don't understand why humans bothered. It's like, do you really have to imperial,
like conquer and occupy everything?
Mexico has published their 2026 economic package
and under the healthy taxes section,
there is a mention of an 8% special tax on digital services offering violent video games.
Here's their reason. Recent studies have found a relationship
between the use of violent video games and higher levels of aggression among adolescents,
as well as negative social and psychological effects,
such as isolation and anxiety.
Referring to the study, the effect of video games on social psychological
and physiological variables in children and adolescents. There we go.
The article itself, as some people have pointed out, is actually a well-written study.
The problem is it's from 2012 and has outdated information such as references to MySpace.
Others pointed out that the economic package also cherry-picks certain words and cases from the study
to justify the tax even further.
Our discussion question is, while the narrative of video games cause violence
continues to parade through politics and often has studies disproving it,
even if it were true, is an 8% tax the correct solution
if they were trying to somehow mitigate the supposed damage that these video games are doing?
No. So the very fact that their solution is to tax it by 8%
belies that they obviously don't actually consider this
to be a problem that they need to solve because if they did, they would have a real solution,
not just a silly little tax. So basically, yeah, it's a steam tax,
which, you know, our moisture evaporators
are only getting two thirds of a cup a day. We can't pay a steam tax.
Oh, man. I love that you tripped over the name
cause it's like actually so bad of a name. Yeah.
Oh, well.
Yikes. I don't have a lot to say to that other than yikes.
Sure. Google admits the open web is in rapid decline.
Google's lawyers in a September 5th court filing
said the fact is that today, the open web is already in rapid decline.
They were arguing that the plaintiff's divestiture proposal
would only accelerate that decline, harming publishers who currently rely on
open web display advertising revenue. Notable change from May comments
by Google VP of Search, Nick Fox,
saying in quotes, from our point of view, the web is thriving.
But there's good news. A co-creator of RSS, oh yeah, this is actually really interesting.
A co-creator of RSS, Eckert Walter,
helped launch RSL, or really simple licensing.
A free and open standard that RSTechnica calls
beefed uprobots.txt instructions,
which is a solution to AI discriminating click-throughs,
decimating click-throughs, or pay-per-crawl.
The discussion question is, will LLMs pay up against RSL?
I mean, no. I mean, they've stolen everything up until now. So what are we, do we really think
there's any hope that this will fix anything?
I think that it will help lay legal framework for fighting.
I think that's really the only chance. I don't think it's actually gonna stop anything
from happening, but it should put some ammunition
on the side of people that are upset about it.
We've got a couple more today. Warner Brothers is an unlikely ally
in the fight against AI slop and has sued mid-journey.
On Thursday, Warner Bros. Discovery filed a lawsuit against AI company mid-journey for purposefully
infringing copyrighted work to the tune of either
$150,000 per infringed work, which could add up to hundreds of millions,
or all profits that mid-journey has made related to WB properties.
In the 101-page suit, Warner Bros. lawyers write,
evidently mid-journey will not stop stealing property until a court orders it to stop.
Mid-journey's large-scale infringement is systematic, ongoing, and willful,
and Warner Bros. Discovery has been and continues to be substantially
and irreparably harmed by it.
There's actually some really good examples. Let me check if the polygon, yeah, this is amazing.
So this is from polygon here. Dan, do you mind linking to the article
if people wanna check out more of the examples? But this is pretty incriminating.
Not only did mid-journey clearly output
know what Superman looks like, but like specifically, specifically, exactly
what Warner Bros. copyrighted character. And now look, we can have an awful-
It sped out you. We can have an awful, I don't think that was mid-journey.
We can have an awful long conversation about whether Warner Bros. fairly compensated
the creators of various DC characters and properties
and all of that. That's a longer conversation,
but what I will say is
mid-journey looks pretty guilty here.
And in the current legal framework that is Warner Bros. IP,
this seems like a pretty big yikes. We just have to find out.
Again, as all of this makes its way
through the legal system, are there going to be any consequences?
And will those consequences be lasting?
Because the way that I see it, now that all of this is kind of out there,
there's no way to put Pandora back in her box.
It's out of the box. So what happens then?
Does mid-journey go bankrupt, but then a bunch of people
who have been paying themselves out of mid-journey's investment funds
and now have their own personal hordes of wealth just start another one and then use what,
well, mid-journey stole that. I mean, it's just out there now.
I'm honestly likely finding the same investors again in a lot of cases.
Same key investors at least.
Yeah, yeah. Osiris asks, are you going to be seeing
Super Mario Galaxy in theaters?
Honestly, I'd rather watch it at home. Is that the name of the sequel?
I'm amazed they went straight to the galaxy.
Okay, cool. Yeah, I'd rather watch it at home. Dude, I got a new TV.
It happened so often. No, it doesn't even happen that often.
I had the T-Sale for two years. Oh wow. Almost two years.
It felt a lot shorter than that. Yeah, dude.
Is that much better?
It doesn't have as many backlight zones, by a lot,
which for a TV that size is a bit of a challenge. Can you notice it?
Yes, but it has an RGB backlight.
RGB, gamer. Okay, but it actually has benefits for image quality
because instead of shining white through an LCD, you're shining color.
So the color volume that it can achieve, and the reason I thought of it is because
Super Mario Bros. is a movie that looks amazing on it.
Also, it uses a standard Vesa bolt pattern,
so I can actually put it on like a standard wall mount, and I can bring it a little closer.
So my 116 inch TV can be closer to the actual viewing size
of the 120 inch projector that I used to have mounted right to the wall.
So, dude.
Yeah, I would actually seriously rather watch it at home.
Sweet, heck yeah. Oh, unique username says you've already talked about it.
Okay, well, it's actually installed now. We installed it on, or not installed.
We opened it on Monday. I haven't installed it yet. So the video of us opening it and trying it is in the works,
and then we're actually gonna throw the full gamut
of Labs testing at it and do an installation vlog,
and that'll be a second video because it's really expensive. Okay, so I'm not gonna play it because even though
it's a trailer, we get copyright strikes for trailers all the time.
Okay. But that looks like what it's called. 13 hours ago from IGN, it's probably real.
Oh yeah, cool. Official title announcement, Nintendo Direct,
the Super Mario Galaxy movie.
Kind of surprised by the title, just like you said. A long time ago in a Super Mario Galaxy far, far away.
Lossless streaming on Spotify is coming. No, but for real this time.
It'll be rolling out to more than 50 markets through October with some already starting to get access now.
The service is going to be included for premium subscribers.
It won't be a new subscription tier, and it's been a long time coming with rumors starting as early as 2017.
Coming later this year. Oh, oh, so you're coming later this year in 2021
and almost ready in May of 2024. Discussion question, do you care?
Yeah, a little bit, and it just feels like being on
whatever it's even called now at YouTube Music is just a more and more sad experience over time.
Really? Well, it used to be Google Play Music. Oh yeah, Google Play was way better.
And it was actually like a way better app.
Yeah. And then they just made it way worse. And then I don't think,
I can't name anything that improved about it since they made the change.
I can name a couple. What's improved? It's way easier to access music videos.
No, sorry. Since after the change happened,
what has, like, okay, we have YouTube Music now.
Yeah. We're on here now. It's good, cool, whatever. YouTube Music is, it's better for watching music videos
if you care about that. No, I know. Oh. After we got to, so we got to platform, cool.
We are here. It's better for finding music videos. What has now happened?
Because it's been years.
I can't think of a new feature that came out. The only thing I can think of is they do recaps now,
which they just stole from Spotify and I don't care about.
Yeah, I skipped them. Yeah.
What needs to improve? The user experience of YouTube Music
is just worse in a lot of ways. Bury the hatchet with Sonos.
So I can just cast to my Sonos speakers, please.
The Google Play Sonos experience was,
or the Google Play Music, oh, it was so good. I would just, I would be listening to my headphones
as I walked in the door and then I would just have my YouTube,
or my Google Play Music app open and I would just click cast
and then select the speaker and it would just cast. And I, like, it wouldn't even practically skip a beat.
It was amazing. I wish, considering they killed the podcast app,
if they made podcasts within YouTube Music better,
I know they're there, but if they made it better, that would be nice. Sorry, handyman.
I don't think the experience of podcast stuff within YouTube Music is all that fantastic.
As for lossless formats, honestly, I mean, I don't know, I don't know if I really care.
I'm, Pankrat's posted in here. I'm just waiting to see the videos
about how people can definitely hear the difference on their, like, Bluetooth earbuds.
Yeah, yeah, me too. I think there's a lot of,
it takes a really, really, really fine setup
where even, like, the trained ear can, like, really tell the difference between lossless
and a pretty decently high-quality stream. So for me, I think having lossless just generally
if I know it's real, it communicates to me that I'm not getting cheaped out on an audio quality.
But the thing is that it's not, oh, I guess, yeah, not cheaped out on in terms of, like, the cost of delivery,
but, like, not, the lossless master might not even necessarily be the best one.
That's fair. So, good luck, everyone.
I mean, I've danced in a lot of cases. It probably is, but... I don't think I have a particularly fantastic ear,
but, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know. That's a good point about the master
not being necessarily better.
Flush door handles on EVs can fail, so China is now banning them.
Whoops, I just moved a thing. With modern EVs and cars, the style has trended towards
flush and sleek door handle designs. The problem is that in the event of a power loss,
these handles can prevent people from accessing the car. The main concern comes from emergency situations,
like first responders not being able to assist easily. China is apparently looking at banning these style handles
by 2027 for these reasons. And our discussion question here is,
what is your favorite breakfast cereal? I thought the handle thing is interesting,
because some of them, you can kind of press in one side,
and it pops the handle out. Yeah, but it's still powered.
So it requires power to do that, because there's an assumption with EVs
that they are always powered, because they don't just run off
of, like, a 12-volt lead-acid battery for basic functions.
Like, you've got access to a high-voltage, high-amperage battery pack, because if you didn't,
then it would be completely off, no one would be operating it. So you press the...
Isn't it just a lever? It's not just a lever? You press the side and...
It depends. Not all of them are the same. So there's ones that, when you press it,
it's like you're opening it, or like the actual retraction, like on the Model S,
it wasn't even a lever, if I recall correctly. It was, like, fully motorized that it would come out.
So it just depends.
I don't know, I've been partial to mini-weights lately, but Elijah said I couldn't think of a good question for this,
since it seems like a no-duh moment. Thanks, Elijah. I remember the last time I had cereal, so I don't know.
Oh, yeah, I guess it's just, like, too many calories for you now, too much sugar.
I haven't been eating as much cereal lately, either. I love cereal, but...
I'm unhappy. We'll get there, not yet. Yeah, yeah. LIDAR can damage your camera sensor.
MKBHD shared a video showing his damaged camera sensor
from the infrared lasers from LIDAR navigation systems on a car.
This is, in part, due to the Class 1 lasers coming from these sensors,
but also due to the focusing effect of the camera's lens.
Here are some shots of the damage from the LIDAR sensors.
Ru-ro, that's a bummer.
Naturally, the closer the sensor, the higher the risk of damage. The sensor-damaging lasers are in the infrared spectrum,
which should not pose a threat to your vision as the fluid in your eye absorbs the infrared light
before it would damage your retina. This is not health advice, I'm not a doctor, so feel free to keep staring directly into those Waymo's,
but be careful with your camera sensor. And that's our last topic,
so why don't we jump into Afterdark?
Afterdark. Let's do it.
Man, this felt like a long WAN Show already, didn't it?
I think it was. Oh, about three and a half hours. Yeah, yeah. Oh, all right, yeah.
Wow, neat. So we started like mostly on time.
No, I'm agreeing. No, he's mocking. He's sarcastic. He is mocking you.
See, that's what I said. It's very easy. That's what I thought. He's just a very mockable.
Be gone.
My goodness. Hey, Linus, I'm a huge crosscode fan.
What made you a fan of the game? Also, are you excited for alabaster dawn?
Is that their new game? Have they named it?
What is this? Two and a half D-Action RPG from the creators of Crosscode.
Does it have a release date? Am I supposed to be excited yet?
I don't think so. No, to be announced.
Oh, alabaster dawn.
Ooh. Demo release date. Demo.
Demo, you say. Radical fish games.
I mean, there's like nothing on here.
Wishless on Steam.
I mean, I'll obviously play it. Crosscode is so great.
They had a playable demo at Gamescom 2025.
Okay. So I thought it was like an online demo, but yeah, I think it's just a playable demo at Gamescom.
Sounds great. Can't wait. I will, okay.
We always say don't pre-order, right?
But, but, but I have actually, there's some precedent for this.
I, so remember when I pre-ordered Bill Watterson's
weird adult graphic novel thing that was terrible? Yeah.
Okay. And remember, do you remember what I said to you though?
I said, no matter how bad it was. You were going to buy it anyways.
I could never pay Mr. Watterson enough for Calvin and Hobbes
and what it meant to me and how much entertainment it has given me over the years.
He won't take my money in the form of Hobbes plushies for my children.
So if I have to give him 20 bucks or whatever it is
for his orderly, worthless, worthless piece of garbage
adult novel thing, whatever the crap that was,
I will do it, I will do it happily. I'll do it happily.
I would buy it again.
I'm not saying a lot because it was bad. It was awful, truly awful.
Yeah. Just not maybe not awful, but just pointless.
So, Radical Fish, same book for me.
I didn't pay enough for crosscode. So I will just buy the new one and if it totally sucks
sweaty, peri-donkey dick, I will still have not paid them
enough for crosscode and I will happily give them the money.
Make sure you're wishlisting things on Steam too.
That's really important for creators. It is actually. Super important.
Up next. Why is it just a funding thing? Nope, it's a Steam algorithm thing.
Super, super, super important because Steam doesn't have like an engagement platform.
Yeah, sure. That's it. It's all that matters and it costs nothing.
Hey y'all, last when Linus mentioned his daughter starting to model for the P1S.
What modeling program do you have her using? I use Inventor at work and Exit School,
but money, money, money for a copy for him.
I think she's using like a free tier of Tinkercad.
It's whatever they like showed her at the little like maker classes that she goes to.
Is Tinkercad good? Is there something else she should be using?
I think that's like an open-ish source. I can't quite remember, but it's pretty good.
Okay, well she's using Tinkercad. Got her learning solid works, future engineer.
Yeah, I've been super, super impressed with her taking initiative on this.
So cool. Yeah, and it's- So cool.
She hasn't always been the most self-motivated,
but she is self-motivated to go and like fix it
when it's not working and to learn more about it.
Like the fact that she's going and learning about filament types and stuff,
I'm super impressed by because it's not that simple for like someone who's still around her first decade.
I'm trying to see if I have any of the stuffed animals.
She makes stuffed animals now. That's another thing that she's gotten into.
So Yvonne hasn't done the ShortCircuit on it yet, but she picked up an embroidery machine
and my daughter's been learning how to use that as well.
So she's going to be starting to learn both
like additive manufacturing and some more,
like I guess it would still be an STL, right? Like an embroidery machine, probably.
Is it like vectorized, I think? Yeah, I don't know, but she's-
SVGs and things like that. Think about it like a laser cutter.
Embroidery is actually really weird if you're doing CNC embroidery.
It's like stitch types and overlaps
and it can get really weird. Yeah, so she's getting into all kinds of
wild stuff these days. So cool, so cool. Anyway, okay.
Hey, LLD, love the show. Linus, I was wondering if you had any more thoughts
on the Oslo sleep buds after using them for a moment while.
My mom and I both got pairs after seeing a review and they've improved, I guess, sleep.
Generally, I only take those with me on trips
where I still find the pairing of the air pods.
Air pods a little bit more painless, but if I'm going to be on like a long flight
and I really need to not be disrupted by my air pods running out of battery
and I don't mind like kind of setting up because you have to pair to the base station
which pairs to your phone, it's a whole thing.
Really good product, really cool product, but I don't use them super regularly.
I should probably give them another shot with the latest updates at home. I haven't used them lately
because I haven't done any overseas travel.
Hello Linus, this is not a question though. Actually it is.
You talked before that Linux Linus is perfectly capable of building himself a PC.
What changed? You just thought to ask? Yeah, I just, I don't know.
I summoned the bravery to handle the rejection
if he said no and I shot my shot.
Hell yeah. And he was super chill and cool about it. Hell yeah.
With Linus Torvalds potentially coming onto the show,
is there a possibility to get on Richard Stallman
and build him a computer with non proprietary software? We need the Stallman build.
Why don't we see how it goes with Mr. Torvalds first and then we can kind of put together a wish list
of super cool computer industry luminaries
to bring on to the show and build computers with. I feel like for Stallman, if we did that,
if he was cool with it, if, if, if, if, if.
If risk was at a point where it was like legitimate,
that would be sick. We could, I mean, we could do a relatively simple build
and just put one of those risk five motherboards into like a framework or something.
Yeah. Could be neat.
Hello, Bob Slob and knob Linus. What was it like?
Like, who's who?
I mean, I feel like Bob is the only one that's not horrible.
I'll take Slob. You'll take Slob. I'll take knob.
You can be Bob. You know you're not the one who takes knob.
Anywho. Slurp.
Linus, what was it like holding a memory module from the Saturn V rocket?
Oh my God. It's after dark. Shut up.
It ran out of air. It was like, it was like holding history.
It was, it was really cool. It, it's, it's one of those emotional experiences
and normally holding a computer component or whatever is not.
It's a non-emotional experience, but the craftsmanship or should I say craftsmanship
because apparently the, the, The woven ones? Yeah.
The folks who assembled them were almost exclusively women on display was,
it was just so apparent. So it was somewhere in between a cool piece of technology
and like literal actual art. Very cool.
This stuff just, just for reference. Yeah.
Like what the heck is even going on?
This is like, I don't know.
Some of that era's technology is wild.
My algorithm delivered me the virtual
inertial reference system with the gyroscopes in the,
how, how, how is this the biggest slide rules? I was trying to figure out how slide will
work with my dad the other day. He learned about them in school,
never know how he figured it out. Anyway, Luke, you spoke a bit about classic battlefield
last week. I also miss maps like battle of Britain,
filling up a bomber with six players. Also, did you ever play battlefield Vietnam?
Yeah, I think I played pretty much all of the old battlefields. I didn't know they did a battlefield Vietnam.
That's a weird war to make a video game about. Wasn't that, I thought that might have been an expansion.
The problem with the game is that you just can't win.
Rough.
Oh yeah, yeah. Is this a full game? I remember this actually.
I think it was an expansion. No, it's a full game. Shut up.
Developed by Digital Illusions Canada. I know I played it, but I thought it was an expansion.
Maybe by Canadian standards, you know, the Vietnam war wasn't that bad.
Yeah, fair. Oh yeah, that was like a Tuesday.
I don't think we wrote any conventions that time. Yeah, we didn't make the chemicals.
Yeah, exactly. Maybe they learned from us.
Include us next time. Apparently, it was the first with helicopters. We have ideas.
What if you put the gas in the cans?
Instead of helicopters, blades, they're actually blades.
Just more on the bottom. Chainsaw.
I'm already hiccuping so much. My God.
But yeah, no, I loved Battlefield games. I think I don't think it's just Battlefield the problem.
I think triple AAA is a whole kind of lost the plot there
for a long time for getting the games needed to be fun.
They focused on graphics. They focused on.
Just a wide variety of things that weren't just like the game
being good and fun. And it seems like we might maybe, in some cases,
be coming back to that, which is cool. Hopefully the next GTA is good.
Hopefully the next Battlefield is good. And hopefully we keep going from there.
But we'll see. I can't even talk.
Heller Lemus. Watch the Chromebook video and was wondering
what the most awkward situation you were in when in public.
I'm sure lots of recognition happens at Best Buy.
Oh, man, awkward.
Man, I can't, I don't even know if I can remember anymore.
Every time, it's like, what was the most X that you Y?
I have such a hard time. It's like, never gonna be accurate. It's just gonna be whatever one you remember.
Oh, the worst one you remember that moment.
Man, I'm like awkward all the time. I had an employee come and say bye to me recently
because it was their last day and just to shake hands. And I was, and I was like,
I said something like completely wrong.
Oh yeah, I remember what I said. I remember what I said. I was, I said welcome.
Because I just, my brain completely, the opposite it.
What I meant to say was like, thanks for everything, you know?
And they were like, I said welcome like I'd never met them.
They worked here over two years. Like I completely knew who they were.
And I knew they were coming because I knew that they had tendered their resignation
a little while ago. And I was just like, I was like, welcome.
And then as I tried to recover, I made it like way worse.
Yeah. So that wasn't in public, but it sucked.
That's pretty epic. Yeah, I just, dude, when I'm on the spot,
I just can say just like the dumbest stuff. Like I think I've told the story about the time
when the border guards asked me where I was going. And I said the wrong place just because I was tense,
not because I was doing anything illicit.
Ah, anyway. Where are you off to? Crimes?
Last one I got for you today. Oh, you missed the Chromebook one. Did you skip that one?
Oh, I thought that was it. Oh, wait, that was it. Yep, good job. Was that it?
Okay, thank God. Would be awesome to know what the pool of mystery items is.
I would grab a mystery hoodie if that was the case. Also, I'm colorblind.
What color is iron? Cargo pants. Oh, iron is not the ones I'm wearing.
I'm wearing the blue ones, gray. So they're not, they're what you see.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you should be able to handle it.
Pool of mystery items. Yeah, but that's the point of mystery items is that they're kind of whatever they are.
And that's why they're cheaper. Would make it really tedious because it like constantly changes.
Yeah. So it's supposed to be a low cost way of liquidating stuff
that we need to liquidate for whatever reason. And actual last one, how do you,
have you guys heard about the DDoS attacks happening to Fafrever?
Faferever. Faferever. That's hard.
Supreme commander. Oh, the new one, yeah?
No, no, the old one. The old one. Forged Alliance forever.
It's a community project. The fact that someone's attacking this is. Oh, damn.
Whoever's attacking this is a butthole. They are asking for help defending, like a sphincter.
Tight? No. No.
Damn. And dirty. No. The continuous.
Unwashed sphincter. Leaks. The continuation of Faferever on their form.
Yeah. I hadn't heard about the DDoS attacks. That's super uncool.
And I don't even know how we would begin to.
What do they want? They want help defending DDoS attacks, but like.
Yeah, but what is it? Did someone have a link to them talking about this
or something?
Faferever. Faferever. Faferever, Dan, for crying out loud.
Faferever. It's just forged alliance. Why is this happening?
It's just forged alliance forever. It's just recompense for XE.
I guess. Oh my goodness. No, I mean my hiccups.
Not you saying it weirdly. They need contributors with solid software development
background to help address the latest attack vectors.
Yeah. This is such a bummer to read.
The past decade of the internet, the past decade the internet has changed significantly.
In my personal view, the internet used to be more innocent. As a small open source service provider, such as Faferever,
it was unthinkable that we would be the target of malicious actors.
And because of that, the infrastructure was never designed to be resilient.
Of course, their basic authentication and authorization checks. But in general, our implementation
assumed the user consuming the service acted in good faith.
Yeah. A lot of the internet kind of just sucks now.
Man.
This is so not cool.
Unfortunately, I don't have any development help to offer.
But what I do have is a farewell for all of you.
We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.
This is not the show you're looking for anymore tonight.
Bye. Buddha, Buddha. Mind trick.
I'm going to crash so hard. I'm sorry, it was such a long show.