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Welcome Emily and Jonathan, WWC just wrapped up and I just want your thoughts.

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What do you guys think of the event? I mean for me it seemed like it was a much longer event than last time and a lot more

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content in it like it was stuffed to the brim like they actually had to cut some things it seemed

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like like some things that were actually kind of interesting like resizing icons on iOS,

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RCS support, so like the new the rich messaging system that's like kind of universal.

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They cut art oh so they are supporting RCS. Yeah so they just didn't talk about it.

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They mentioned it briefly towards the end with all the yeah yeah yeah with the the summary

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but they didn't show it and they also didn't show like resizing icons.

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So you can actually make an icon bigger? Yeah you can make icons bigger you can move them wherever you want you can put them on the

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grid just like I and like I and right. I missed a lot.

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Wow did you did you come in late? No I mean no I missed the I did miss the right at the beginning the promo the first part of the

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promo the Apple TV plus stuff but you know there's like all the I it's also hard to write notes and

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then what look at the like little bento box yeah so it's all in the bento box I got to look at

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those bento box before I write I write I guess yeah I'm glad RCS is there because I literally

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wrote where is RCS yeah I think a bigger thing to mention he yeah you would think so but like

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he literally spent like 10 words saying oh and also you can resize icons and we have RCS support.

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See this kind of comes down to a fundamental of the way Apple events have been going now

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which is these kind of really fast paced uh don't look away or or blink because you're

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going to miss something infomercials and I really miss the live shows when they would like be on

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stage and like have to demo things live to show that it actually works they don't have to prove

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that anything works now you know the videos work like when they do like that iPad or at least

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they did a month and a bit ago the videos work for something like that and maybe in between

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events but for something as like fundamental and as important as WWDC I feel like a live stage show

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is what I miss and want back because it also requires a bit of even more focus.

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Yeah I mean once upon a time like they even famously the original iPhone reveal

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that was hacked up so badly like the the iPhones didn't work like half the time it would either

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freeze up or reboot and it was actually a miracle that it worked at all yeah and they had to hack it

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so that it had full signal strength but like now they don't really need to do any of that it's all

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mocked up yeah so like all the Siri prompts and all the things that are happening on screen

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that could be happening anywhere it's written in a script literally just be it's a scripted yeah it

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could literally just be something that somebody mocked up in um I guess Final Cut oh yeah yeah

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and so it's like because the other big question coming up especially we haven't really introduced

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the AI stuff but the big question is like how does this actually work in the real world and like

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I always am thinking about like where are the where are you gonna find the walls of limitations

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that are gonna be really frustrating when they come up and I don't know it's yeah that is a good

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point especially for something like this I feel like a live demo is important yeah yeah and like I

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understand in some cases like say the Vision Pro it's really difficult to get that across right

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yeah like the Vision Pro you can't really film that in a way that it makes any sense to see so

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they have to mock that up but with like an iPhone thing not really I mean even with the Vision

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Pro announcement back back earlier this year I or even last year I thought it should have been done

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that should also have been done live because like the iPhone thing it like they really had to push

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to make sure everything like to try hopefully everything works and like really be specific about

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what they're demoing there's I don't know there's like a discipline that comes with it that um

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worry we're losing oh I mean given the length of it it's like an hour and 45 minutes or something

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like that or an hour and a half but like one of the things that I found really lacking was they

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didn't really talk about hardware at all no no yeah like I was kind of expecting yeah like I was

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kind of expecting them to talk about something like oh you'll be able to take advantage of this

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and more with our upcoming M4 Pro or whatever you know we'll talk about that in the later

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presentation or something like that right but instead it's just like your iPad your iPhone

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your Mac and it's like okay but what if my iPad is on the cusp of being obsolete which it is

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it's the it's the the final pre M1 iPad of the A812Z one yeah yeah there was an X and a Z

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but yeah well let's see well the one example was I think where they were talking about Apple

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Intelligence it seems like the on-device processing will work on M1s and newer and then it seems like

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A17 and that's the only A chip that'll support all the on all of that stuff so I'm still it's

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still a little I gotta like look into the pages to see kind of where the limitations lie yeah um

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and then obviously then that they did talk a little bit about hardware which shows I'm

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wondering if you're curious about how they created their own little Apple Silicon servers

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for the what do they call it privacy server off-site privacy scanning was it like private

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cloud computing yes that's the one um I am a little bit interested in how they might have

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done that but I'm not sure that's strictly speaking what they're doing I mean it might be

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maybe we'll have more X serves at some point with like a bunch of M5 chips in them

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256 yeah you're dreaming yeah no Apple doesn't care about that anymore but you know it's it's

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something you can think about oh man there's so much to talk about with privacy cloud uh a private

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cloud it's it's basically Windows 11 recall if you think about it yeah I except like so like okay

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private private cloud compute not specifically but all the all the AI features they're talking

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about and I don't want to get too into the AI right now because this is going to dominate the

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conversation but like that's doing all the same stuff that Windows 11 recall does except they're

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not specifically saying they're taking screenshots um so like you can say hey uh show me that picture

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of this person who did that last week and it'll do it uh or hey what restaurant did so and so

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suggest to me a few days ago and it'll it'll do that like the same stuff right but Apple probably

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isn't going to get as much scrutiny over it because I guess they have a better track well I mean some

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of those things it feels like we're kind of already in there but they just were there was like no

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place to like unify it so if you for instance you use the example of like finding a picture of so

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and so wearing a shirt like you could already look for pictures of a person because they're already

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doing on on device facial recognition and then in the example of like oh find the calendar event

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that somebody or calendar somebody that you know the appointment somebody had made in a text message

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like if you look in messages and someone says hey can we do something at 4 p.m on Thursday like it'll

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underline 4 p.m Thursday kind of ready for you to make an event so like it that stuff was the like

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it feels like the ground work was already kind of laid for this stuff and then now they're finally

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like creating a system to put it all together I'm just still curious how that's all going to work

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but it was like already there yeah I guess so like a lot of it that's that's another thing about the

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AI stuff is a lot of it is stuff we've already had like oh hey proofreading that's grammar check

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which we had in the 90s yes the automatic memories the the slideshow yeah it's like

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we had that now it's better you can you can be more specific about it now you can tell it what

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you want to see but like before it would just do that automatically it would just like grab all the

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stuff and and kind of put it together for you with whatever it thinks is appropriate and where you go

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like and it's funny how they go back and they say that they said like oh yeah well it's so much work

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to do this on your own even though it used to be like oh it's so simple you can just choose all of

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these pictures and it's funny how they go back and they like retconned their their previous super

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uh like super easy super simple uh UI and now it's like oh my god it's so much work

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speaking of retcon what do you think of apple intelligence

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they retconned AI into apple I thought it was pretty I was like I see what you're doing there I

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thought it was pretty clever because it's it's they're being it's being they're like well like

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everyone's you're obviously you're doing a video about this the whole thing about AI and artificial

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intelligence under nothing but the video but obviously there's been just a lot of like why are we using this term so like apple being like let's get rid of the artificial that I guess the issue is

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actually with the term intelligence well the thing is that's that's something that I actually did

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appreciate because I don't think they ever actually said artificial intelligence it's true yeah they

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they said intelligence they said you know machine learning and then they said apple intelligence

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which you know okay whatever but you know at least they're not participating in the the

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hype storm I think tim cook himself seems to be a little bit not skeptical but um cautious yeah

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of machine learning uh just as like in terms of the the overall um you know marked forward yeah right

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well they established kind of those values at the beginning which are like powerful intuitive

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integrated and personal context I think those things yeah so like um it's good to see it's

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interesting and it's good to see that they're like it's almost like they're saying like guys we've

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been working on this for so long already like this is just this I guess is the next step of it of what

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they've been working on yeah it'll be interesting to see if Siri's gonna be really good now so

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half the time when I activate Siri to do something yeah it'll say okay playing blah blah blah blah

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and I'm like I asked you to do something oh yeah I asked you to turn a light off I asked you to

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open a door why why are you now playing something by the doors like like and not only that but I have

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a home pod speaker and half the time when I'm watching YouTube or not I guess not half the time

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but a lot of the time when I'm watching YouTube it'll get activated even though someone says sorry

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yeah like nobody said Siri yeah nobody even said Siri at all not even hey Siri it was just

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Siri and it's just like mm-hmm and then it'll like take the huge prompt and then it's like real cool

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tasks coming from the YouTube videos on your Mac yeah so now now somebody can say something like

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hey Siri delete everything and I don't know maybe that'll work or not I don't know what what Siri's

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actually able to do but it does seem like Siri can interact with the operating system in a lot

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broader ways than it used to be able to in ways that people actually want it to be able to do it

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which will be handy if it works well yeah like you could I mean right now can you make Siri turn

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Wi-Fi on or off I don't see it'll usually just like pop up actually you know what I'll check right

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turn off Wi-Fi Wi-Fi is on let me know if you want to turn it off okay turn off Wi-Fi Wi-Fi is on

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let me know if you want to turn it off okay well there's only we can only go up from here

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exactly oh god I mean the thing that's most exciting for me that's probably going to make

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me buy a Mac again uh now that my old one's dead is iPhone Mary really yeah that's going to be huge

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for me I really want to be able to interact with my phone uh through my desktop if I'm at my desktop

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I don't want to have to like stop like interacting yeah with my desktop and reach down and pick up my

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phone unlock it and then like go and find whatever I need to do yeah right and then put it down again

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and go back and then if I my phone buzzes again I need to pick it up and look like that is incredibly

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disruptive to me if I could just have notifications come in and interact with them uh on the desktop

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no matter whether they're a desktop app or not I know you can do that with text messages now with

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iMessage um and some others as well but like not everything allows you to completely interact

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with the notifications that you get yeah but that requires the notification interaction to be good

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I mean like yes like they redesigned notification interactions on macOS a few years ago and it's

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like now instead of to reply to any message for instance and this is just a Mac it's like three

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clicks instead of it's like one uh or you have to like see more and then you can hit reply and then

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the thing's there yeah whereas like before I used to just be reply and so I'm I guess the that sounds

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great if they like make the interaction method model with notifications better well they could do

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that or I could literally just have the mirror of my phone on my screen that's true I mean it'll

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just take you to the mirror of your phone and that'll that'll be really handy it I mean I was pretty

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impressed with that that's pretty great a pretty handy thing to have I'm like well that made me

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more distracted because the phone could be pretty distracting and now I have easy access to it on my

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computer well sort of I mean you could also use it as I'm not going to say a second monitor but like

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you know another web browser or another whatever yeah uh that you don't have to run on your computer

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so you have more compute resources open on your phone yeah our funny way of running iOS apps without

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having to run them locally yeah I don't know what the frame rate's going to be like so it might not

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be great for running iOS apps yeah well it'll probably be similar to like sidecar if you can

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use sidecar wirelessly on your iPad yeah it just has like less pixels to push perhaps but yeah it's

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less pixels to push but it it is a separate display virtually from your actual iPhone's display or I

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guess it may be more like airplane mirroring I mean it's probably using that protocol probably yeah

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something like that oh calculator yeah that's the other thing on the iPad you know it's like we

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took the calculator and we made it larger well I mean there I'm sure there would be pretty cheesy

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there I think the interesting thing with the calculator that I found pretty impressive was the

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sort of math notes situation where you can like really draw out whatever formulas you're working

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on and it's going to calculate all that I mean imagine having that back in school days I was

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super skeptical the moment he said that I'm like wait Apple Pencil no I don't want to if I have the

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option of just pressing buttons and having digits show up I'm going to do that every time I'm not

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going to write out the digits and have them complete in my handwriting I don't care about that

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but then it went a little bit deeper right then you can start writing out expressions you can start

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writing out variables and you can change those variables with a little dial which like that's

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really cool yeah and you can actually graph it reminded me of like spreadsheets almost you're

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like kind of creating but it's like in a really natural form yeah freeform spreadsheet basically

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it could be it could be a huge it could be a huge deal I mean it would probably be a huge deal

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for students yeah oh like I was I was thinking about back when I was in high school we had a

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TI graphing calculator yeah but now like this would be pretty amazing I thought that that would be the

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most um like obvious thing in the world to make the calculator on the iPad a graphing calculator

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yeah yeah of course and they didn't do that but then they did do that yeah right yeah which is like

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oh wow that's a little magical that was really that was actually pretty impressive it was like

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I guess they were waiting 14 years to do it right and now they finally did it they just they did it

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the Steve Jobs way they analyzed every pixel they tried every different permutation oh I'm just oh

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I was also thinking about smart script as well which is I guess kind of like the smart script

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technology it's probably in the same wheelhouse where it figures out your handwriting and then

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it sort of writes with it I write cursive I'm very curious how it would handle my messy cursive

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it might be better than you think because uh they've been able to analyze cursive since the Newton

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did they do it well back then not really but you know they could do it and I think they can

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probably do it well now using machine learning I mean they'd use machine learning back then too

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but like much more robust machine learning uh the thing about that for me is that

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much like the calculator I don't want to write something if I can press buttons and have the

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thing come up I can type much faster than I can write I rarely if ever use the pencil to actually

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write anything especially because my handwriting is ridiculously like messy even printing like I

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just print most of the time yeah and my printing is chicken scratch I'm the same way I think

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for but it doesn't it doesn't mean I don't like handwriting do you think there's value

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to handwriting but I think for me is like I have a notepad and I need the physicality of paper

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with its geography in space to like to actually be able to like sort those things out so when I

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hand write it's like it has to be physical and every time I try handwriting or anything even

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sometimes when I try notes digitally it's like oh I gotta find it and yeah it kind of becomes

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more abstract right especially if you can scroll because scrolling yeah completely disconnects you

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from that physicality yeah exactly I understand that I don't really personally perceive a benefit

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to me for like taking notes with writing I know some people really get a lot out of that I don't

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but as far as doing that goes doing it on paper um at least something that's fixed and you don't

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like you know you can't move it around or scale it or anything like that is it's a lot easier to

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like kind of wrap your brain around and maybe that's just because you know I grew up in a world

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where handwriting recognition wasn't really a thing or graffiti on my palm pile yeah yeah

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one thing I was going to mention and it's kind of more in a like huh or disappointment level

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which is I was hoping to see more depth to the iPad like they just released this new iPad for

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I've been using it I'm still running into the same mobile the mobile wall for on apps and stuff like

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that using this very expensive device and I was kind of hoping that you know they kind of implement

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something that just make the operating system a little deeper and a little bit more capable

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and basically all we got was a new floating tab bar and like that's it and like it's neat but like

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I feel like that might confuse people even we'll see uh it's neat I like that you can customize it

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yeah that's cool yeah but yeah that was the only thing and he pointedly like it sounded like he

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was talking to me and actually like like mocking me specifically like oh the unique experience is only

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capable on iPad and it's like just give me just give me macOS apps already I don't care if I can only

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run one at a time just give me the macOS apps yeah if okay so if you if you only have the iPad

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macOS apps would be terrible because they're not meant for touch that being said they have

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increased the like kind of areas around buttons and stuff but that that I understand that if you

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have a like a magic keyboard or even any other peripherals there's no reason why it can't be

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a macbook there's no reason it's the same it's the same hardware it's very ostensibly the same

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operating system like they could just make it a um uh what was it the front row kind of situation

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where you can like it's except in the other direction so the iPad would start on the native

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back row iPad os yeah back row and then you could like go to um mac mode or whatever and it would

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just like open up in an app yeah it's still it's still very confusing and uh it uh nothing changed

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yeah no they're not gonna they're coming later I hate the fact that they're so against making iPad

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any more useful than it is now I guess for me the funny thing is this is actually now just more

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iPad thoughts so maybe you have to edit this out I think the iPad is too expensive for its

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capability and so like it's really hard for what my issue is like justifying how much an iPad pro

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costs despite the screen being amazing uh based on this capability like I have no problem with the

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iPad being this limited on the cheap one I actually like using it and I actually like those limitations

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but it's just this like kind of disconnect the iPad pro should be basically a mac without a keyboard

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yeah like that's that's what it should be I I'm sorry Apple but your products make no sense the iPad

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error makes perfect sense the iPad iPad makes perfect sense the iPad pro at what is it like what does

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it start at like over a thousand dollars now that makes no sense that's computer money and yeah the

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iPad's a computer but you're not treating it like one you're treating it like a second class device

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and you always have it's always been either a bigger iPhone or a worse mac just make it a mac

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already okay like I understand that you know touch interfaces are different again just give

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us the option to make it a mac okay you've been following AI a little more than I have and I

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find myself I'll dabble in it and I'll just be like uh I'm too much of a control freak for this

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what do you think about Apple's implementations of say their summaries and large language models

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and the image generator and I think that was basically it the image generator is nitro nightmare

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fuel absolute nightmare fuel um everything else looks pretty good though like it's all seems like

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very um very normal yeah of using yeah yeah which I like like it always it all makes sense like it's

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not just shoe horning AI in for the sake of AI it's like stuff that actually will make things easier

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for people uh for the most part um hopefully like email uh like the the the summaries yeah

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in email that's going to be huge because how many times have I looked at an email and it's just like

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the first line is like uh this is an important notice from and it's just dot dot dot and it's

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like literally just like the sender and I'm like god damn it yeah or or page not showing up click

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here to open in your browser and it's like I don't want that that that means nothing to me yeah

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those that'd be handy if you can if we can really go that far and also the fact that uh mail can now

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automatically categorize your mail like yeah no gmail had that but now it's agnostic through mail

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yeah and my mail has been getting crazy and I've been stressing about it so this might actually help

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me all right we're approaching our 25 minute limit here so is there anything uh any final points guys

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I'll quickly mention um talk about software is not fun I mean hardware is nothing without software

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but then again software is nothing without hardware so like you can't make your event

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all about software or all about hardware it has to be a marriage of both and apple usually

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understands that it doesn't feel like they did this time around they really went hard on the

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software which I think they kind of felt like they had to because I think that they're getting a

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lot of pressure from investors to go hard on AI um just because it's printing money right now

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the word's burning yeah actually it's not making a lot of money like people are just sinking money

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into it but yeah uh Tim Cook I think is is very uncomfortable talking about it uh because he

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doesn't personally see the hype machine as real yeah um but obviously the investors do

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so he has to walk that fine line yeah it's fun to see it's fun to see them being kind of drag

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kicking and screaming into this and then to see how they deal with it that's very interesting

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yeah the the one thing that I found really interesting is that they have so much not invested

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in AI generation that they went with chat gpd I'm really glad that it offers and doesn't just do it

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that would be that would be really bad for sure all right we'll end it there thank you guys for

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this little talk uh if anyone the full plane wants to see jonathan's or emily's video coming out

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it's coming out today right um yeah well it's going to be uh ploof and I are going to be

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mine won't come out today probably tomorrow uh it might be tomorrow for us too well I don't know

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we'll whatever we'll we'll figure it out if you guys will see the video make sure to check it out

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and again thanks guys for this little talk it went a lot longer I thought I would yeah well usually

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all right thank you thanks see you later