1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,360 This is the 1x player 1x fly apex the fastest gaming handheld in the world 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,520 But we're not gonna look at that just yet because I want to look at this the frost bay a 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,500 Water-cooling unit that takes it from 80 watts TDP all the way up to a whopping 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:25,080 120 Wow 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,480 What is handheld about this 6 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:39,360 This is a whole freaking water cooling setup you got your radiator you've got your 7 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:45,480 Seriously, you're ripped off the cooler master logo and called it cooler doctor 8 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:52,640 Philport Wait, wait 9 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:02,400 No Ain't no way. I mean that's all that's in here other than of course this quick connect water cooling tube thing 10 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,440 Rotates counterclockwise to lock that is counter 11 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Intuitive Let's have a look at the apex. I'm legitimately so excited to check this thing out 12 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,360 It's a direct competitor to the gpd win 5 which I've been really enjoying 13 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:26,400 I played through just about all of expedition 33 on it and I had an amazing experience 14 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:34,040 Thanks to the up to Ryzen AI max 395 plus processor that thing is an absolute 15 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,480 Monster I'm talking 16 Zen 5 CPU course 32 threads 16 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:47,520 8,000 megatransfer per second LP DDR5 x memory which matters a lot because of the Radeon 80 60 s 17 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,280 GPU you can run triple a games on this handheld on its 8 inch 18 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,360 1200p display at like high settings and 19 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,160 I gotta say I 20 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:08,720 Think they actually kind of nailed the ergonomics for it to be clear. This is a heavy handheld 21 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,640 And I don't even have a battery attached to it yet 22 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:24,160 But it's quite holdable for an 8 inch Alright, let's have a look at the inputs and outputs. Shall we we've got capacitive joysticks pretty satisfying feeling clicky d-pad 23 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,960 Oh, I really like the face buttons, too 24 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:35,920 Nice clicky micro switch style, but with a little bit of travel before you get to the click. I really like that 25 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:40,520 It's almost like a like a hybrid approach Hall effect triggers that have a 26 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:49,760 Hair trigger switch That's not the most responsive hair trigger switch. I've never seen but it's not bad very reachable shoulders 27 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,160 Actually love the ergonomics of that along the top. We've got a headphone jack 28 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,680 Fingerprint sensing power button volume rocker USB a barrel jack. Okay 29 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:08,120 We're gonna have to talk about power profiles and charging quite a bit and a USB 4 port that does 40 gigabit per second and can charge but 30 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:17,400 Okay, I guess we're gonna get into it a little bit now The device is limited to 55 watts TDP while we're plugged into that. What's this? 31 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,280 All right So the water cooling is actually 32 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:31,520 Optional you can get it with or without and then if you get the water cooling add-on you can buy the frost bay for another 33 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,760 $200 which I 34 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,680 Mean it's not a little bit, but it's also not a lot for an external water cooling 35 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,480 It doesn't seem outlandish also on the back here 36 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,320 got a couple paddle buttons and oh 37 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:53,720 Interesting did 1x player use the same battery interface as GPD it looks 38 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,440 Extremely similar, but apparently is not quite the same. That's actually a bit of a disappointment 39 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:05,960 I'd prefer they were the same along the bottom. We've got another type C port a micro SD slot and then 40 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaking of copying homework a mini SSD slot 41 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:18,760 There aren't a lot of options for occupying this But by when makes one and it can be found in up to two terabyte capacities and is much faster than a micro SD card 42 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,920 What else is in the box? Now let's talk about that battery 43 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,720 Whoo She was already a little on the heavier side 44 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:35,200 Now she's even a heavier. This is an 85 watt hour battery that 45 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,160 Unfortunately at the highest wattage that this thing can run at 46 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,760 It's not actually gonna last you that long to their credit though 47 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,720 One X player did what I would have liked GPD to do and they put a kickstand on the battery 48 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:57,360 So you can actually use a kickstand with this thing. Wow more copied homework. This is pretty much the same 49 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,880 like interface I 50 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:07,440 Suspect that one X player knows that not many people are gonna buy this water cooled option unless they're planning to use this like 51 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:13,880 Functionally as a desktop, which you could I mean it's a Ryzen a I max 395 plus 52 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,200 This is new it's a hex driver 53 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:28,680 That whoa Whoa, whoa Phillips head whoa flat head. Yeah, I think we've got better screwdrivers at LTT Store calm 54 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Dude Strix Halo is so cool I just wish it wasn't so expensive 55 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:39,240 And I also wish that one X player was using the newly announced SKUs that have lesser CPUs 56 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:46,720 But still have the full-fat GPU, but unfortunately I have to assume that development was done on this unit before those were announced 57 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Here we go 58 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,280 Not gonna lie I'm into it. Oh 59 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:03,080 Okay, this is pretty clever 60 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:10,920 So this is the air-cooled version which costs a little bit less because it doesn't include the water block, right? 61 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:16,800 There's your Ryzen AI max down there pretty standard, you know handheld layout at this point 62 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,380 Then you just take the top of 63 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,200 that cold plate for the CPU and 64 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:30,200 You just huck this copper plate on it This will allow you to assist the integrated air cooler by pulling heat 65 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,300 Directly off of over top of the chip here. You know what this handheld needed more weight 66 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Apparently this thing's about 70 grams. So if you're not gonna use the external water cooler, I wouldn't opt for that version of it 67 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,180 Okay, you know what that's not that bad 68 00:06:52,860 --> 00:06:59,100 One fan one piece of tape and I can get at a full 80 millimeter m.2. I 69 00:06:59,900 --> 00:07:09,780 I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. That's not bad I think you could get a double-sided SSD in here, but you'd be putting more pressure on this ribbon cable than I would be comfortable with 70 00:07:09,780 --> 00:07:11,780 It's not the sort of thing that I would be 71 00:07:13,220 --> 00:07:15,900 Recommending even if maybe you could get away with it 72 00:07:16,460 --> 00:07:19,820 Let's turn it on after telling you about our sponsor 73 00:07:19,820 --> 00:07:26,020 Oh now seems like a good time to address that like the Win 5 there is an umbilical cord option 74 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:31,300 You have to pay extra for it in this case, but it allows you to run the battery separately with just like a lead to it 75 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:35,540 I Kind of thought that was silly back when I did my unboxing of the Win 5 76 00:07:35,660 --> 00:07:39,340 But when I was using it for a period of a couple months actually 77 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:45,980 I found myself almost exclusively using it that way because it turns out that having all this weight hanging off your hands 78 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:48,740 It's just it's not great 79 00:07:49,940 --> 00:07:55,220 This kickstand helps a fair bit. It would make me more likely to care about having the battery attached, but 80 00:07:57,980 --> 00:08:06,260 Wow is this over a kilo with the battery on it because it feels like it's over a kilo and also there's a little bit of play in 81 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:08,740 this attachment 82 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:15,460 Doesn't feel reassuring, you know Think what I would probably do is put like a 83 00:08:16,220 --> 00:08:20,700 Higher I see they've already done it, but I would put a bigger foam sticker here 84 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:27,540 So you like really compress that so it doesn't move around. Oh, I haven't shown you guys the power brick yet 85 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:31,720 Dude, this is the unboxing that never ends man 86 00:08:33,020 --> 00:08:36,180 Is That an XT60? 87 00:08:37,620 --> 00:08:43,020 Everyone knows I was kidding when I talked about using XT60s for PC power, right? 88 00:08:43,380 --> 00:08:47,340 You have got to be kidding me here 89 00:08:50,420 --> 00:08:52,420 One X 90 00:08:53,580 --> 00:09:00,580 One X player advertises up to 240 watts of charging off of this again brick and 91 00:09:03,860 --> 00:09:08,140 XT60 connector and Is this 92 00:09:08,180 --> 00:09:14,220 Is this only a three-foot cable? I mean, I guess being an XT60 you could kind of mod any cable you want 93 00:09:14,220 --> 00:09:20,780 But this is this is not a very good handheld experience ladies and gentlemen like look at this 94 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:24,240 I have to get that all the way to the top of the device 95 00:09:25,740 --> 00:09:30,100 What the Sam heck were they thinking putting this short cable on it? 96 00:09:30,260 --> 00:09:32,780 They were thinking you put it to the frost bait first 97 00:09:33,820 --> 00:09:38,660 Does it matter which ones which they're not labeled. Okay, okay, so it's just one is just 98 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:44,780 Passed through okay. This is also not great. This is an extremely short cable 99 00:09:44,980 --> 00:09:48,380 Okay, we'll get to the we'll get to the frost bay later first 100 00:09:48,380 --> 00:09:53,140 I want to see this thing in its maximum performance glory 101 00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:58,020 By the way, it's worth noting that while it supports 240 watt charging like 102 00:09:58,780 --> 00:10:04,860 Basically any device it only does that for a little while and it especially only does that for a little while before really 103 00:10:05,260 --> 00:10:08,580 settling down you know in 104 00:10:08,860 --> 00:10:13,220 theory a capacitive joystick is a really high quality way to 105 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:21,940 build a joystick Unfortunately, this is about the cheapest feeling implementation that I've ever felt the responsiveness of it is great 106 00:10:22,340 --> 00:10:25,660 The feel is not I feel like something's wrong here 107 00:10:26,140 --> 00:10:30,300 Okay, let's press the 1x button. Ah, yes, we're at 20 watts 108 00:10:31,180 --> 00:10:33,180 Let's go to 80 shall we? 109 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:36,300 Whoa, that's more like it 110 00:10:38,260 --> 00:10:43,260 Listen to those fans go buddy. This is 50% fan. Ah 111 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:46,500 You can control the vibration motors 112 00:10:48,580 --> 00:10:53,220 Wow, this is a really nice little resolution tool 113 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:59,900 1x players overlay has improved a lot since the last time I looked at it. This is 114 00:11:00,780 --> 00:11:04,060 insane Like sure, I'm only getting 115 00:11:04,620 --> 00:11:09,500 30 FPS, but guys, this is cyberpunk 2077 and 116 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:17,740 Sure, okay, I'm using some fidelity FX upscaling, but I'm running up freaking like high 117 00:11:18,740 --> 00:11:25,860 Like here if we actually went to the steam deck preset, okay steam deck preset 720p like a steam deck 118 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:31,300 Jeepers creepers 150 160 FPS 119 00:11:32,020 --> 00:11:36,260 This thing is an absolute monster. It's so loud 120 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:41,660 but So is the win 5 give me a second I 121 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:51,300 I Almost exclusively game on it using my AirPods so that I can tune out the fan noise quite blockable 122 00:11:52,220 --> 00:11:55,060 Quite blockable indeed. Okay, what about the speakers? 123 00:11:59,180 --> 00:12:01,420 Those are shockingly rich 124 00:12:02,300 --> 00:12:08,260 speakers It's kind of a shame that I'll never get to use them because the fans are so loud 125 00:12:08,740 --> 00:12:12,220 Okay, let's go to a power profile that I'd be more likely to actually use 126 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:19,420 Now we're talking reasonable fan noise to the point where I can actually use the speakers 127 00:12:20,340 --> 00:12:25,620 still incredible performance at very usable image quality and 128 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:31,660 If you're running at 45 watts, you'll actually get like a couple hours of battery life out of it 129 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:37,940 or at least I Don't know it's complicated because unlike the win 5 130 00:12:38,380 --> 00:12:44,460 One X player has made the odd decision to limit the power to 20 watts for the last 131 00:12:45,020 --> 00:12:51,340 20% of your battery and there's no obvious way to override that that we've been able to find either way up until that time 132 00:12:51,340 --> 00:12:57,780 It'll be pretty solid. Let's try the water cooler. So I'm gonna assume this needs to be full of water first 133 00:12:57,780 --> 00:13:03,620 There's no real power switch on it. The frost bay doesn't have a conventional on off switch 134 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:10,820 so So we need to go into the full one X player utility and 135 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:15,420 Then we have to pair it via Bluetooth in summary 136 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:22,740 Getting the water cooling system connected is not super intuitive. Okay connect. Hey, I 137 00:13:23,340 --> 00:13:26,340 Think we're there. We are connected now 138 00:13:27,020 --> 00:13:33,660 What did it? Oh, there it is. It just kicked in 120 watts. Let's go. Okay, so the cooling system 139 00:13:34,340 --> 00:13:40,100 Is in smart fan curve mode. We're getting 50 milliliters per minute 140 00:13:42,460 --> 00:13:51,900 Is anyone else seeing that number and going Yo, what that's like nothing. I'm pretty psyched right now though. I can't wait to try this 141 00:13:52,580 --> 00:13:55,700 You can't have the battery kickstand on at the same time as this 142 00:13:55,820 --> 00:14:00,540 But they do have like a cardboard eco stand that you can put it on with the 143 00:14:00,740 --> 00:14:07,700 Dock with that said the way this dock is configured with like no tether distance or anything 144 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:10,700 It's pretty clear that it's a it's a desktop 145 00:14:11,020 --> 00:14:15,380 Dock like this is not meant for handheld use at all 146 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:18,500 This thing is so insane 147 00:14:19,060 --> 00:14:23,860 We're closing in on 200 FPS late. Okay. Yeah, it's turned down pretty low. But watch this 148 00:14:24,180 --> 00:14:28,580 Okay, forget this steam deck nonsense now. We're gonna go ultra 149 00:14:28,820 --> 00:14:32,900 Yeah, sure. We'll use upscaling, but we're gonna use the native resolution of the panel this time 150 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:38,060 So we'll upscale to that and we're getting a casual 80 plus FPS 151 00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:40,500 Holy crap 152 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:45,940 Freakin Smooth and could I even run native? 153 00:14:46,460 --> 00:14:53,860 dude You could run native 1200p ultra on this thing. That is so sharp 154 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:59,420 We're still getting like 70 plus FPS and the temps are fine 155 00:15:00,420 --> 00:15:02,540 not amazing all things considered I 156 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:07,020 Would kind of think that the water cooling unit would be doing more man 157 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:10,460 I mean, it's definitely carrying heat away. This tube is warm and 158 00:15:11,260 --> 00:15:19,580 This one is cool It it needs more water flow and I'd be down to like put a better pump in this thing get some real water flow going like this is 159 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:22,420 This is so cool 160 00:15:23,860 --> 00:15:29,220 Pump is running at 50% look we can turn it up and the water cooler is disconnected again 161 00:15:29,220 --> 00:15:34,940 And I can't get it 220 watts, but you know what as I already said realistically 162 00:15:35,860 --> 00:15:40,020 the water cooler is not something that I expect pretty much anyone to 163 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:45,420 Actually use with this thing and the good news is that it already has I 164 00:15:46,580 --> 00:15:50,860 Was gonna say class leading performance without the water cooler, but it just has 165 00:15:51,820 --> 00:16:00,300 Leading performance without the water cooler. It manages a slightly higher maximum TDP compared to the GPD win 5 and even at 75 watts 166 00:16:00,420 --> 00:16:06,700 Because of 1x players emphasis on GPU power versus CPU power in graphically intensive games 167 00:16:06,700 --> 00:16:13,060 You should expect a little bit more performance with that said the GPD win 5 did outperform 168 00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:20,420 The apex in for example rocket league at 1080p, which is a little bit more of a CPU bound scenario 169 00:16:20,620 --> 00:16:26,540 Bottom line you're getting other worldly performance in a handheld form factor with this thing like it's just mind-blowing 170 00:16:26,540 --> 00:16:33,760 I mean black myth that 720p was what like over a hundred FPS well over a hundred FPS at reasonable settings 171 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:40,260 With all of that said as someone who has daily districts halo device in a handheld form factor 172 00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:50,220 I'd say unless you're plugged into the wall it's very unlikely that you're actually gonna be running it at maximum wattage and that's where 1x players solution for 173 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:57,660 Their barrel charger really falls short for me. I'm not a big fan of that. I need a longer cable with that said 174 00:16:57,660 --> 00:17:02,520 I feel like they make up a lot of that ground in the superior ergonomics of the device 175 00:17:02,900 --> 00:17:09,780 Compared to the GPD win 5 not to mention the larger display. It has about the same peak brightness around 500 nits 176 00:17:09,780 --> 00:17:15,240 And it does 120 Hertz variable refresh rate. So there's no real compromises there. It's just a big 177 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,480 Pretty bright beautiful display. We're gonna throw up some battery results here 178 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,920 But there's a very important caveat and that is that as I mentioned before the apex 179 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,000 Drops to 20 watts when it has 20% battery left. So realistically 180 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:37,920 I'd expect real-world results that are a lot closer to what's listed in the GPD win 5 column because they are very similar devices 181 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,120 Now the only question is if all this looked appealing 182 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:48,320 What could it cost Michael? $10 for the base model with a Ryzen AI max 385. It's oh 183 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,760 Then for the upgraded one with more RAM and a 395. It's oh 184 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,800 Then if you want the water cooler, it's 185 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,520 I'm just making noises because they keep changing the pricing. It's actually gone up since we started shooting this video 186 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,480 So it's really cool though water cool 187 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,120 Subscribe to ShortCircuit if you guys are looking for another video to watch 188 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:13,640 Why not check out the unboxing of the GPD win 5?