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My goodness, oh my, you're going to start emailing Joe, oh my goodness, I am traumatized, Linus

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did a spook. Okay, Joe, we should just check with Floatplane to see how the levels sound

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to them. What do you mean? Oh, yeah. I mean, you're supposed to be going out of A, why aren't

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you going out of A? What's going on? Maybe send it out of B? The heck? Yeah, site A, right?

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Counter strike? Brush A, dudes. Yeah. Oh, I pushed the wrong button. Hi, Linus. Hi, how you doing?

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Good. Oh, good. It's probably for the best. They didn't hear any of that.

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Yeah, that would have been really bad. Cool. Linus is just talking about how he likes to go deep

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into A with the bomb. I like to rush. Yeah, he likes to brush A. My bomb, throbbing bomb.

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He likes to make the other team think that he's going to the other site, but then he goes A.

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Wow. Okay. Now, that did not have been on the show. What do you mean? You fake.

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You fake B, and then you go A. That's a yikes. That's a yikes. Counter strike tactics. That's a yikes.

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All right. Let's just start the show. Especially better from you, Linus.

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I don't know. Someone in chat dismissed in site B. I've only ever heard of site A and site B.

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I don't know what you're talking about. I've got to take that off. No idea what you're talking about.

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I'm going to say this. This is going to go live. I'm going to resume the selected now. Here we go.

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No, you're not. Okay. What's up, everyone? Welcome to the WAD show. We've got a great

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show lined up for you today. The big news this week is, of course, that YouTube is changing.

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For the better, for the worse, maybe some combination of the two. We'll be talking about it.

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And I was here in person at Creator Summit where they told us not just what's going on,

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but also some of the reasoning behind it. We're also going to be talking about, yes, of course,

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Nintendo's long overdue lawsuit against Pal world for a copyright infringement. No. No. It's

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not copyright infringement. It's something else entirely. Literally, nobody saw this coming.

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What else we got, Luke? Linux gamers can no longer play GTA five, but in other news,

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there's changes to anti-cheat, which is what we're talking about there, which might benefit

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everyone. But also benefit people. Okay. No, no, we're breaking up the format.

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Explain yourself. No, no, I'm kidding. We're not breaking up the format. Okay. One more. One more.

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One more teaser. Let me scroll away. The Ryzen 9000 launch. It's not going well. It's not good.

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Yeah, it's not. Not good. Yeah, you have to roll the intro. Me?

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Is it not in the thing? Do I press it here? Yeah. Come on. Come on, you got it. Where is it?

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It's on the top, right? Tara, yeah. I thought it was in the dashboard.

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Just the outro, isn't it? The outro, isn't it?

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The show is brought to you today by Vessys, Corsair, and Ugreen. And of course,

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our chair partner, Secret Lab, and our laptop partner, LG,

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neither of whom I am using right now, unfortunately.

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Anywho, why don't we jump right into our headline topic? Wait, wait, no, you are.

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You are. I am? Yeah, your avatar is in front of an LG laptop and sitting in a... Yes, yes.

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Look at me typing. Look at me typing on my LG gram and sitting in my Secret Lab chair

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that you can't even see the back of because I am in front of it with this wall that is now

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attached to the back of my head and covers everything behind me. Yeah, no problem.

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Let's jump right into our headline topic here, which is YouTube is changing.

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Whether it's for the better or the worse, well, we'll leave that up to you. But first,

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why don't we go through the suite of new features that they announced at Made on YouTube,

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several of which are AI powered. First up, we've got DreamScreen, which makes still and

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moving backgrounds for YouTube shorts and will now use the newest version of Google DeepMind's

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text to video generator, Vio. Vio will allow for more realistic backgrounds as well as the ability

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to edit and remix previously generated content. In the first half of the year, DreamScreen will

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be able to generate entire six second clips from scratch. Okay, so why don't we unpack this one

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first? We can kind of go through one by one. Luke, thoughts, generation of still and moving

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backgrounds for YouTube shorts. I don't think this is necessarily super new in the still

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background sense, because you could have done this with a variety of tools already that already

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exist. The moving background sense is interesting. I believe the average short is about 30 seconds,

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if I remember correctly. So you're going to need five of these to be able to actually

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stitch together one whole short. Honestly, I don't think the impact of this is going to be

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super extensive, unless you start getting people like fake reporting,

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like saying they're on the scene somewhere, and the background is that place. And it's hard to

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tell if they're actually there or not, which could be problematic. I personally am having a hard time

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imagining why this would be good for almost anyone. Well, why don't you throw up the examples?

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Why don't you throw up the examples? I've got those here. Your big face is in front of them.

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But this is the video. This is what it would be like. This is what it would be like. You generate

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the background, and then you just got your face with kind of like a badly kind of thing in front

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of it. Yeah, so I guess okay. This is perfect. This is definitely a better experience. Yeah,

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sorry, carry on. The concerns that I've had are not really... No, the example says dream-like,

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so it's intentionally trying to not be realistic. Honestly, that feels like a calculated move.

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Yeah, because they don't want to show it creating realistic like scenes. I don't know.

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I'm sure we'll get these videos with text over them, with an AI voice speaking some type of

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motivational junk, and then that's going to get churned out 10 billion times and fill your shorts

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feed with garbage and useless content. But other than that, I don't know. I have a hard time seeing

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this creating good content that people actually want, but maybe I'll... Well, here's what I'll say.

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Talking to YouTube about this. So I was at Creator Summit this week. Pretty cool. Definitely

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definitely one of the highlights of my career being able to attend this kind of event.

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Sorry? Nothing. There I am. Definitely one of the highlights of my career being able to attend

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events like this. I got to hang out with Michelle Kari quite a bit this time around. I was surprised

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to see Matt Pat there. The rumors of his retirement have been greatly exaggerated,

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but Matt Pat was there, which was really great to be able to connect with him and staff.

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Shoot. Now that I've started listing people, it's going to be horrible when I forget someone

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that I hung out with for a bit, but definitely hung out with Hacksmith for a while. It was awesome

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to see him. Oh, man. Now I'm going to feel so bad.

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And many other great and fantastic people. Oh, dude. I finally actually met Carl Jacobs,

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the guy that we built the $100,000 PC for. I'd never met him. And it turned out that we were on

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the same floor in the hotel. And I didn't recognize him because I don't watch YouTube. It's always

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super awkward for me at these events because everyone else seems to know who everyone else is

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because it's a top creator summit. And so these are a lot of the top creators on the platform.

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And I don't really watch YouTube. We played a game late last night, like two in the morning. We

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were all just sitting around a picnic table outside and everyone brought up their YouTube

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account and showed how many of the other people at the table they were subscribed to.

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Michelle was literally subscribed to everyone else around the table. And I pull up mine and the

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LTT account, the main LTT account is subscribed to one creator. Luke, do you have any guesses as to

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who it is? Okay. Can I ask a question first? If it was one creator? Yeah. Yeah. You can tell

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you what, you can ask three questions because you're not going to get it. Is it one of our own

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channels? No. Is it a channel that we were previously closely affiliated with?

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Closely affiliated? I would say no. No. Okay. It's not NCX. Oh, that's where you were going.

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No. That was a good guess though. That was a really good guess. No.

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Honestly, if it's not them, I have one more question. So we're not closely affiliated.

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No. It's not our own thing. No. I think you could have gotten the answers to both of those with

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just the one. I think you could. Yeah, I was fishing too hard. Oh, dude, you wasted one.

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Have we ever worked with them or collabed with them or anything like that?

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Yes. So you've at least managed to narrow it down a little bit.

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Is it like Paul? Oh, good guess. Good guess. Good guess. But no. The answer is Ludwig.

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And the reason for it, he wasn't there. That's so recent. I expected it to be really old.

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The reason for it is that when I was sitting next to him, literally next to him in a chair,

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he like guilted me a little bit. That was part of it. I think that happened off-camera. But then

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when I was sitting next to him in the chair doing the bro versus bro, he was getting the

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stream set up and I wanted to interact with Chat. And I couldn't because he has like a five minute

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or a 10 minute subscriber gate on interacting in his live chat. So I subscribed to him and then I

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just like never remembered to unsubscribe or bear and I never looked at it. So that was the

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one I was subscribed to. Hold on. My personal, my personal is that's what I was gonna say. Okay.

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So after that, because they asked about like, what about the first everyone was talking about

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Maine, right? And for pretty much everyone else on Maine would be the channel they upload to,

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right? Because they don't have like the content management system that gives multiple people

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access to their uploading tools and their channel management tools and stuff. Like we have like

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eight active channels right now or something like that. And we have multiple people that need access

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to all of them. So we have kind of a different access system to our channels. So my main channel

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is not at Linus Tech Tips. It's just at like my Gmail account. So get this. Okay. Once again,

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I was not subscribed to anybody who was at the table.

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You ready? Sure. Linus Tech Tips. Okay. That makes sense. Probably did that at some point.

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Dave and Ava, nursery rhymes and baby something. So my kids probably mashed that. In fact, it was

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probably my son like 10 years ago when I didn't want to get up in the morning and I was like,

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ugh, take my phone. Zulu kids, nursery rhymes and children, whatever. Super simple songs,

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kid songs. So those are all probably similar stories. I am subscribed with the bell rung

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to Apple Canada for some reason. No idea why. I'm subscribed to last week tonight. Don't remember

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when I did that. Love John Oliver, but I don't remember subscribing to that. I don't think I've

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ever seen a notification for it. And then the last two, you're going to laugh. One of them is Killian

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Experience. It's totally, totally random. I know that reference though. I know why. Yeah. And then

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the last one is the mom boys. The what? The mom boys? That's the remember that rap song

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that has

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that is the list of channels I'm subscribed. I don't know if you could come up with a more

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random list of channels. If you just started like inputting letters and numbers with your face by

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mashing your face against your keyboard, youtube.com forward slash mash your face against your keyboard

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and then just pressing enter like completely, completely unrelated to each other channels.

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So I lost the game. I lost that game, which is fine, I guess. I forget where I was going with this,

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but anyway, yeah. So finally, finally got a chance to meet Carl Jacobs. He seems like a super nice

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guy for someone so young. He is surprisingly cultured when it comes to gaming. My brother

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just, just played Chrono Trigger in the last year and was like, dude, this is a masterpiece.

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This is like one of the greatest games of all time. And I'm just like, man, and you know what,

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this is, this is crazy. This is crazy. His favorite final fantasy, nine. And I was like,

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yeah, seven's overrated. He's like, I know, dude, dude, all my controversial takes I now

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feel validated about. So I'm, that's why I was pretty excited about that. Anyway, yeah, it was,

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it was a great show. Had a really good time. And right, I remember what I'm supposed to be talking

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about right now. Oh, wait, hold on, hold on. Okay, last person, last person that I actually

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got to hang out with a fair bit. And oh, this is great. Sorry. Sorry. I promise. I will stop

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doing story time in a little bit here. Stephen He, do you know Stephen He, emotional damage guy?

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Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Dude, he is, he's one of those YouTubers that is exactly the same in

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person and yet somehow so different, like cut, like more unhinged and like random, if that makes

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sense. Like he's, he's exactly the same guy, but just like, I'm glad that he doesn't just upload

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absolutely everything he says because it's like, whoa, okay, cool. Yep. Good thing. Love, Stephen.

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I showed him the pictures of the badminton center and he's like, dude, back in China,

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when I was like young, I was like, I played like semi-professionally. So we start like,

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you know, yeah, YouTuber badminton tournament. Yeah, like, dude, could we make this a thing?

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Probably. I'm sure. I mean, Ludwig just did YouTuber Olympics. If you can do like 15 different

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sports or whatever, I'm sure you can do one. Yeah, exactly. I'm at least one 15th as good as

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Ludwig, right? Maybe. Yeah. I'm sure you can do it. You have the cameras set up. Dude, I'd be so

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excited to do it. Jawadju says nerd sports, but competent. Yeah. So on that note, we actually,

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we talked about the channel badminton insight a little while ago. Yeah. Greg and Jenny reached out,

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hearing about it on the stream, or hearing that we were talking about them on the stream,

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and I, nothing's for sure, nothing's for sure, but probably sometime, let's say,

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let's give ourselves some breathing room, sometime in the next six to nine months.

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We'll say new year. And, and my intention, I have pitched this internally. I have asked the

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business team to try to sell a sponsorship for this. They said they think they can do it.

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I would like to resurrect nerd sports. They're pro players, but they also do YouTube as a side

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hustle. And I pitched them the idea. So for their channel, they want to do a tour of the center,

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and they pitched a concept that I think is brilliant. I absolutely love it. I'm not going to

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spoil it because I want them to tell you guys what it is, but basically it will involve me

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filming with them probably for like an entire day. And it's going to be an absolute blast. And

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that's going to go on their channel. And then I told them for our channel, I want to bring back

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nerd sports. I told them about the concept. I linked them to the hockey one. And I was like,

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so here's the idea. You're going to play against like regular Joe's on our team. And we're going

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to come up with some, with some creative, fun handicaps in order to try to level the playing

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field. Not only were they down, but they started pitching back to me like really funny handicaps.

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Luke, would you want it? Do you think it could be prepped? Could your shoulder be rehabbed enough

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to be in this? I've started a new routine that's been going really well. I'll make it work. I would

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love to do that. Nerd sports was so much fun. I can't even like explain the return of the

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keyboard warriors. Are we doing this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. I've always been down.

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Are we doing this? Yeah, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. So, so just it's going to come on channel

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super fun. That doesn't mean Channel Super Fun is coming back. That just means it's a lot. It's

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allowed to have one upload every like four years. That just means that Greg and Jenny are coming

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out here. They're flying an awful long way to be here. I want to make sure that everybody is

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maximizing the value of this trip. And I didn't think that there was anything LTT that made a ton

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of sense with them. Channel Super Fun nerd sports on the other hand though, we've got professional

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players in our house. Well, how could we not do this? So, dude, I am, I'm super stoked. I'm super

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stoked. The thing is though, okay, so let's have a production meeting here because I don't think

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that I should play for the keyboard warriors. I don't think you can, unfortunately. What are your

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thoughts? What are your thoughts on that? Do you think I'm too good? Because let me tell you this,

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hold on, let me tell you this first. To you, I'm probably some kind of badminton god. Yeah.

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I'm a badminton aunt. I am a little thing that they squish under their thumb. And then actually,

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no, they don't even bother. They don't even bother to squish me under their thumb. It's not even worth

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their effort in there. If the gap is that big, then it's probably okay, actually. What I was

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going to say though, if the gap isn't that big, I think you commentating it. You know how we used

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to have commentators? Oh, dude. Yeah. Okay. Well, now, now I want that role. You commentating it,

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I think would be amazing. If the gap is that big though, you could play, but my immediate reaction

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was that you would, you would just commentate. Okay. What about this? Which would be a pretty

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fun idea. What if I commentate the keyboard warriors playing against Greg and Jenny,

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and then at the end, you try to step in, we take their, we take their fully handicapped level.

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So whatever that maybe they're wearing eye patches by this point, and we've got,

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we've got five pound weights on their shoes or whatever it is that we've done to them to make

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it so that the game is somewhat even, right? Yeah. We, we put like, oh man, this would be great.

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So you know how much of the badminton stroke is in the wrist, right?

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Right. So we put like, um, like wrist guards, like rollerblading skateboarding, like wrist guards

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on their hands so they can only swing their arms or something like whatever it is we end up having

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to do to make them barely able to compete against to compete head to head against normies. Yeah.

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And then at the end, I walk on and we see how many of them I can remove

00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:12.400
before they start to kick my butt. Oh, that's cool. I like that. That's interesting. And then,

00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:19.120
and then basically it's like a battle for me to try to get as many of them off as I can. Yeah.

00:22:19.120 --> 00:22:24.080
I think that would be super cool. Do you have to, do you have to have a, uh, like a buddy though?

00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:26.800
Would you, because it's still duos, right?

00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:35.920
That's interesting. So could I draft the best player from the keyboard warriors maybe?

00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.920
So I, because I'm commentating, I'm watching, or should, or should I bring in like one of my

00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:46.400
buds? Like I'll bring in my mixed doubles partner or, um, or, or what's his name that you just met

00:22:46.560 --> 00:22:57.120
at the event. Um, emotional damage guy. Oh, like Steven? Yeah. Okay. That's an idea. So it goes

00:22:57.120 --> 00:23:05.440
from keyboard, keyboard warriors to like YouTuber people. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I mean to keep

00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:10.480
that in mind. We can cook. We can make it good to align. It might be a lot to align those trips.

00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.040
LMG community and flipping chess has bring in Jayquan.

00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:19.200
Yeah. Yeah. We could, we could bring in the facility, uh, the facility manager for the,

00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:23.360
for the badminton, uh, for the badminton courts. Okay. All right. I'm going to think about it.

00:23:23.360 --> 00:23:31.680
I'm going to think about it. I'm going to see, I'm going to see, see what makes this. Either way, it's going to be sick. Dude, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. Nerdsports coming back. Uh, you know

00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:36.080
what's funny is I mentioned this to, I mentioned this while in front of Yvonne. I hadn't actually

00:23:36.080 --> 00:23:41.600
talked to her about it. Uh, but I was talking to Steven about the idea and Yvonne was there

00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:46.720
and she was like, yeah, nerd sports was fun. I think it'd be fun to do nerd sports again.

00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:54.160
So you remember when we had like maybe 4% of Yvonne's attention helping with the producer side

00:23:54.160 --> 00:24:00.320
of nerd sports, like literally no offense to anyone else who is on our team and anyone else

00:24:00.320 --> 00:24:04.400
who's on our team now, am I say team? I don't mean the keyboard warriors, like our nerd sports team.

00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:10.160
I mean our like Linus media group team. No offense to everyone else, but for how little

00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:15.520
time and attention Yvonne put into it, I don't think anyone else could have gotten us the kinds

00:24:15.520 --> 00:24:23.040
of matchups that she did. We got some pretty cool teams. That was, that was crazy. That was actually

00:24:23.040 --> 00:24:32.480
nuts. If, if, if she was like full time producer of nerd sports, I think not only could we bring it

00:24:32.560 --> 00:24:39.680
back, but it could be awesome. Like 10 million views in episode awesome. I'd be 1000% down.

00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:44.400
Nerd sports was one of like the coolest things. I used to share them with so many people too,

00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:49.040
because they're like, I don't know. It's just interesting content. It, it plays into the whole

00:24:49.040 --> 00:24:54.000
concept of like, I wish we could see like just average people compared to the Olympians at the

00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:58.320
Olympics. It's, it's, it's that, but you're really pitting them against each other and really showing

00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:03.440
the gap, like everything that you need to do to like tear someone down to the level of an average

00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:09.600
person. Because well, you know that that was a big part of the original idea behind it, right?

00:25:09.600 --> 00:25:14.320
Like it got kind of lost in the way that we, we were a really small company and there were a

00:25:14.320 --> 00:25:20.560
lot of production challenges, but like it kind of got lost in, in everything. I'm not going to,

00:25:20.560 --> 00:25:25.440
I'm not going to lay the blame on any one person's feet because it's a that's not cool and B

00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:33.120
it doesn't lie on any one person's feet. But what got kind of lost was that it was supposed to be

00:25:33.120 --> 00:25:39.600
about highlighting not professional top tier level athletes, but the next down or the next down,

00:25:39.600 --> 00:25:46.640
you know, the people who were trying to go pro and basically really like putting in your face

00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:53.600
so that you cannot escape this, how different these guys are from the person sitting on their

00:25:53.600 --> 00:26:00.640
couch going, oh, I could have caught that, you know, like actually standing on the court next to

00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:07.040
the Trinity Spartans. Do you remember that? You're even a, you're a reasonable freaking sized dude,

00:26:07.840 --> 00:26:14.320
but did you not feel intimidated by those women? Yeah, they dunked us pretty hard.

00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:20.400
And that's, there was, I mean, we definitely fielded some, some players on the, on the keyboard

00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:25.360
warriors that were not athletic, but despite being keyboard warriors, we've, we've always had a

00:26:25.360 --> 00:26:29.280
decent amount of people on the team that are fairly naturally athletic and we would just

00:26:29.280 --> 00:26:35.120
still get completely destroyed in every single sport. I was like, never close.

00:26:36.320 --> 00:26:39.760
Completely. Oh man. Yeah.

00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:47.120
Steven Chu, a community manager says, how I feel when I see a kicker miss an extra point in the

00:26:47.120 --> 00:26:53.920
NFL. Yeah, exactly. But like, if you, if you literally stood on that field and tried to make

00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:59.040
even the like, even a below average kick, you'd go up there, you'd kick it and it'd be like,

00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:05.440
because you are not a world-class athlete. I'm sorry. There's like some dude running at you that

00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:12.400
can talk to you with the force of like an F-150. It's just like slightly nerve wracking. Yeah,

00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:19.520
exactly. And then, you know, obviously the, the slight twist compared to Joe's versus pros or

00:27:19.520 --> 00:27:23.920
regular people at the Olympics or other people have done this concept before and since is,

00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:30.320
is the leveling of the playing field. Yeah, the nerves illustrating just how ridiculous it has

00:27:30.320 --> 00:27:35.600
to get. I mean, by the time we were competitive with that hockey team, dude, they, and I was,

00:27:35.600 --> 00:27:41.120
I was telling this story at Creator Summit. They had their skates in little hula hoops,

00:27:41.120 --> 00:27:50.640
so they couldn't, and they had to keep the hula hoops on their skates, so they couldn't lift them up. They were holding pineapples in one hand. They had to link arms with the player next to them,

00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:56.000
so there were effectively only three of them on the ice compared to our six, and they had to use

00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:02.880
little plastic toy sticks, and it was still really close when we called next point wins.

00:28:03.520 --> 00:28:09.920
I, I, with five skaters plus a go, plus a goalie that's not tethered to someone full-sized sticks.

00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:15.680
Saying skaters is maybe a little much. Yeah, that's a little generous. Five people that happened

00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:21.680
to be on ice. Yeah. I, um, I had scars from that for, for years, and now you can't normally see

00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:27.280
them, but when I get really cold, you can still see the lines from where the laces were. Oh no.

00:28:29.280 --> 00:28:35.920
Oh man. That was rough. Yeah. Yeah. Blendetto says if I were out on the ice instead of Connor

00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:40.720
McDavid, the Oilers would have won the Stanley Cup. Exactly. The thing is, you're memeing,

00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:47.600
obviously, right? But so many people. Some people aren't, yeah. Seemed to actually think that when

00:28:47.600 --> 00:28:52.240
I was in my prime, I could have, no, you could, no, you couldn't have, man. No, you couldn't have.

00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:58.640
These guys are otherworldly talented. Um, so anyway, yeah, nerd sports. I'm super excited,

00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:03.760
and I think there's a document I'm supposed to be reading from to talk about stuff. So right,

00:29:03.760 --> 00:29:09.280
right. Yeah. We haven't made it to the first topic. I'm so sorry. Talking to YouTube in person,

00:29:09.280 --> 00:29:16.640
one of the big things that they emphasized with these new AI features, because as you can imagine,

00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:24.880
in a room full of people whose job it is to create audio and backgrounds and video for a living,

00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:31.280
right? Um, there's going to be a pretty high degree of sensitivity around AI creation tools,

00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:39.600
right? So one of the things that they said kind of over and over and over again was, hey,

00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:48.480
this is not meant to be a replacement for human creativity. These are meant to be tools to enhance

00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:57.760
human creativity. And I feel like, I feel like I both agree with YouTube and I also,

00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:05.280
I wouldn't say disagree, but have serious concerns about it. So the way that they, the way that they

00:30:05.280 --> 00:30:12.640
explained it was that there's like a, a creative loop, right? In your, your ideation and your

00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:18.800
execution and your promotion and your publishing and your ideation, whatever, right? So, you know,

00:30:18.800 --> 00:30:25.440
theoretically, you know, if a perfect AI would just replace the human element of all of it,

00:30:26.080 --> 00:30:31.520
it would ideate, execute, promote and publish. And it would be just a perpetual motion machine

00:30:31.520 --> 00:30:40.080
that consumes fresh water and electricity, right? The way that they've explained how AI

00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:46.080
tools will be rolled out on YouTube is that they will, they will not be allowed to function like

00:30:46.080 --> 00:30:54.400
that because they will keep the human creator in that creation loop. At every stage, there'll have

00:30:54.480 --> 00:31:06.640
to be human input or human validation verification or human tuning. But here's my issue. This VO

00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:14.720
background thing, I'm certainly the human who's going to say stuff in front of it, right? Because

00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:18.240
I can see that being an obvious thing that people might do with this. They're just like kind of

00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:23.040
creating a vibe. They're creating a mood for the background of just like a, like a short video

00:31:23.040 --> 00:31:28.720
talking about something or whatever, right? But what about all the humans who worked on

00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.800
like background creation, other than me just like rubber stamping, which one I think is good

00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:39.920
or fine tuning the text prompt that I'm giving it? I feel like they, they maybe were, I feel like

00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:44.160
they were maybe addressing the concerns of the people in the room, right? Because these are the

00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:49.840
people that are running channels that are the front man or front lady or whatever, the people who

00:31:49.840 --> 00:31:54.720
own the business, right? Like they're addressing business owners if you think about it. Top creators,

00:31:55.360 --> 00:32:02.080
yes, they're people and you connect with them and some of them are business owners of like a

00:32:02.080 --> 00:32:08.080
one person business and some of them are business owners of a 50 or 100 person business, right?

00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:11.440
But they're effectively business owners if they're operating at the kind of scale that they're at

00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:18.560
top creators on it, right? What about the people who work on their team? And I feel like they didn't

00:32:18.560 --> 00:32:26.560
really say anything to me to address any of that. So that's my, that's my concern. But then

00:32:26.560 --> 00:32:33.840
they also said the quiet part out loud, right? And they were like, well, it's here. And so either

00:32:33.840 --> 00:32:41.440
we're going to like enable our creative community with it, or they're going to use it anyway with

00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:51.120
third party tools or our top creators here won't be using it because, you know,

00:32:51.120 --> 00:32:56.160
never do well, they're using it for deep fakes or, you know, whatever kind of non consensual content

00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:05.520
or, you know, whatever, right? So all we're really doing is accepting, recognizing that this is the

00:33:05.520 --> 00:33:15.040
reality and arming our creative community. And I was like, yeah, fair enough, right?

00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.400
Yeah, I just don't, I mean, I, I think this is my, my problem where like the, the VO stuff,

00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:25.280
I just don't necessarily see it as like a good thing. I have a really hard time imagining who's

00:33:25.280 --> 00:33:31.920
going to use this to really benefit much of anything other than spammed out AI generated

00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.560
content, which is already running all over shorts and Instagram. So they are correct

00:33:36.560 --> 00:33:41.280
that this isn't giving people a new tool that's already existed. You could already make AI

00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:44.960
generated backgrounds. You can already make AI generated video backgrounds. You could already

00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.800
make AI generated audio, all this type of stuff. It was all already possible. They're just putting

00:33:48.800 --> 00:33:53.520
on YouTube, but we've seen the impact of these tools on other platforms. And I personally

00:33:53.520 --> 00:34:01.520
haven't seen it generate anything of, of real significant value other than spam. So I just,

00:34:01.600 --> 00:34:05.200
I don't know. I don't personally see the good benefit to it.

00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.560
But I don't, I don't see it being dramatically worse than what we already have either.

00:34:11.200 --> 00:34:18.240
If we make these tools less of like a, like a nerdy, you know, I spend my life working on

00:34:18.240 --> 00:34:23.680
tools for spamming people and more of a just, I am a thing sitting in the YouTube creator studio

00:34:23.680 --> 00:34:28.080
that highly creative people now have access to easily and don't need to learn about.

00:34:28.080 --> 00:34:31.360
Is there an argument there that maybe that would actually increase the quality of some of

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.440
the AI use outputs? I seriously doubt it.

00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:40.080
Personally, because what's the, what's the value in it? Like what is the,

00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:45.360
what are you bringing to the table by AI generating a background to this video?

00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.440
For six seconds, honestly. I think that's like, that's a big part of it for me. It's like,

00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:57.280
what am I doing with six seconds of background other than like, but man, part of it too, though,

00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:04.480
is like, I in a lot of ways feel like a bit of an outsider at events like this because

00:35:05.680 --> 00:35:10.480
I can be pretty creative. Like I think if you tell me like, hey, Linus, come up with an intro

00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:16.960
hook for the knock to a booth coverage at a trade show. And you know, I, I, I get Jacob and I'm

00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:21.040
like, okay, Jacob, I need you to stab me in the back with my own screwdriver and we're going to

00:35:21.040 --> 00:35:25.360
film like my death scene in your booth. And like, yeah, like I'm, I'm kind of creative.

00:35:26.640 --> 00:35:35.200
But there's a level of creativity that, or like outside of the box thinking that I encounter

00:35:35.200 --> 00:35:39.840
every time I go to one of these meetups that I'm just like, yeah, if you gave me a thousand years

00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:45.600
and a thousand monkeys and a thousand typewriters and a thousand caffeine pills, I would never,

00:35:46.160 --> 00:35:50.800
never come up with that. Like I, I ended up, they didn't assign seating lunch just to force

00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:55.200
people to mingle a little bit. And I ended up seated across from, I really, I feel terrible

00:35:55.200 --> 00:35:59.760
because I forget his name, but I ended up seated across from someone who is predominantly a shorts

00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:08.320
creator and who actually only even made a channel to promote his ice cream filled donut shop.

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:16.800
And so his real business is like, he even has like a peril for it, but his, but his real business

00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:25.040
is actually like franchising out his ice cream filled donut like, like restaurant. And he just

00:36:25.040 --> 00:36:32.160
like apparently kills it hard enough on YouTube shorts that it not only is a great promotional

00:36:32.160 --> 00:36:37.520
tool for the business, but it's making money. But it's, but it's making money. They're like killing

00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:42.080
it on YouTube, but completely by accident. And I'm, and I'm just sitting here going like,

00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:50.240
sure, you know, right? They, they highlighted, they highlighted this,

00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:58.000
this super cool example of like tiny phantoms and like community remixing where it was,

00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:04.320
it's this channel, I think it's called two, two gay grandpas who had this travel vlog

00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:09.280
where they just went and tried stuff and were super charming and they had like

00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.120
90 subscribers or something like that. And, and they uploaded all these videos. Someone

00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:19.440
remixed it, uploaded it somewhere else and was like, Hey, we need to get these guys

00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:24.400
like some actual views because these videos are great and somebody needs to watch them.

00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:31.200
And then they immediately had like a hundred thousand subscribers. Like I wouldn't have,

00:37:31.200 --> 00:37:36.480
I would never have thought to, to put together something like that. Like, I don't know. It's

00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:40.160
just, it's just, and it's not like these are, these are completely unique ideas. They're just

00:37:40.160 --> 00:37:47.520
not things that I would have ever thought of. And so when people, when, when YouTube releases a tool,

00:37:48.560 --> 00:37:52.640
just because I have no idea what I would do with it, doesn't mean that nobody's going to do anything

00:37:52.640 --> 00:37:57.360
really interesting with it. And so I'm always fearful saying, I don't, I don't know what anyone

00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:01.440
would do with it. I just don't know. Well, I'm trying to frame it that way specifically because

00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:08.480
I don't. And like, I hope that someone does. I just, the, all of these tools already exist.

00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:16.080
And we've seen what the quick to ARM themselves with tools, especially when their free creative

00:38:16.080 --> 00:38:22.400
community has done with them, which by and large has been create spam content.

00:38:22.560 --> 00:38:31.520
Or just like, you know, put a quote generator onto a thing, put AI voice on top of all of the

00:38:31.520 --> 00:38:41.920
quotes, put random backgrounds with like Roman or Gothic or old school Scandinavian or, sorry,

00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:46.480
Nordic, I should say, or whatever like religious figures, put the quotes in front of it, play

00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.120
the AI voice, spam it on the internet and then get tons of views. Like that, that type of stuff is,

00:38:51.120 --> 00:38:56.720
is rampant, super rampant. And that's where I'm seeing all of the AI use in short form content

00:38:56.720 --> 00:39:04.720
go to. I haven't personally seen it to go to practically anything other than that. So maybe

00:39:04.720 --> 00:39:09.920
I'm not creative enough to find a use for six second AI generated clips to go on short form content,

00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:17.040
but maybe someone will. I imagine there's like, someone's gonna grab some form of instrument

00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:22.720
and sing weird random custom fun songs and have weird AI videos playing behind them because it's

00:39:22.720 --> 00:39:27.680
like fun and artistic. Hopefully somebody does that. I'm sure there's like a thing or two that

00:39:27.680 --> 00:39:37.360
people can figure out. But I think by and large, these tools are made to mass generate, yeah,

00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:44.800
to mass generate garbage and then try to play on people's like mental things like wanting to

00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.480
hear quotes that agree with what they say and stuff like that. And then just spam it out.

00:39:49.600 --> 00:39:56.000
Okay, I don't think it's valuable. Okay, YouTube will also be adding a carousel

00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:02.000
of highlighted comments and AI comment reply suggestions to YouTube studio, which is supposed

00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:10.240
to mimic the style and tone of the creator. I asked some more questions about this. And basically,

00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:20.160
my understanding is that the the tuning of this should be done based on your own replies

00:40:21.120 --> 00:40:31.200
to people's comments on your channel. I asked about the possibility of uploading data to help train it.

00:40:31.200 --> 00:40:35.760
That's not something that they're that they're looking at right now. Like I there's remember

00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:42.720
when we when we showed that really cool community project where someone made like a like an AI

00:40:42.720 --> 00:40:49.840
searchable WAN Show Q&A like prompt. Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of I asked like, Hey, look,

00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:55.360
if we had a transcription of like every question and answer we had ever done on the WAN Show,

00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.680
like, is that something that we could we could provide to you to kind of help train this tool?

00:40:59.680 --> 00:41:07.120
And they're like, No, not at this time. So this like put like an unlisted video and make a bot

00:41:07.120 --> 00:41:12.640
that comments every single question on WAN Show ever into it and then have another bot that replies

00:41:12.640 --> 00:41:17.680
to each one of those from the creator channel with the proper response to build it ourselves.

00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:25.680
We can do this. We have the technology. That's interesting. You don't like it? We'll do it ourselves.

00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:33.440
Here's my problem with this. A reply from the creator is supposed to be a reply from the creator.

00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:39.200
And I don't yeah, it's immediately why I winced. Yeah, this is this is this feels like a falsification

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:45.120
of that interaction. Like when I reply to someone's comment in the comments, I do go out of my way

00:41:45.120 --> 00:41:49.840
to sign it LS. You can tell it isn't another member of the team. But that means I replied to you.

00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:57.040
That doesn't mean that an AI replied to you. And honestly, and I don't mean I don't mean any disrespect

00:41:57.040 --> 00:42:04.640
to any of the channels that do this. But when I go on a channel and literally every comment has a

00:42:04.640 --> 00:42:09.600
reply from the creator that's like, thank you for your comment. YouTube already has a feature

00:42:09.600 --> 00:42:14.800
that suggests a quick reply. It just is super rudimentary. It just isn't very good. It'll just

00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:23.280
say like, thanks for your comment or thanks so much or something like that, right? I feel like

00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:34.560
that's like cringe and crappy. But this is worse because it's almost like it's like misleading

00:42:34.560 --> 00:42:43.440
manipulative. Look, you want to get parasocial? Let's get parasocial. You know, fine. Let's imagine

00:42:43.520 --> 00:42:48.640
that we're pen pals with our favorite creator or whatever because they replied, thanks for your

00:42:48.640 --> 00:42:55.840
comment, right? But now we're almost creating like a whole other, like it's not even like

00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:00.160
real parasocial. Instead, you're getting parasocial with an AI that's trained on

00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.600
what the creator had said in the past. Like, dude, I don't know. It just seems pretty messed up,

00:43:07.600 --> 00:43:15.040
right? It's like masked creator AI because with the creator AIs that were made when

00:43:16.160 --> 00:43:21.120
GPT-4 first popped off, there was a bunch of like date this Twitch streamer things, right? Like, I

00:43:21.120 --> 00:43:25.840
think there's an Amaranth AI or something like that. Those ones are overt. You know that you're

00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:34.560
interacting with a fake thing. This one has the masking of it being actually you. So you can't

00:43:34.560 --> 00:43:41.840
know. And you have to know that certain creators that do certain things on the platform are going

00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:48.160
to use that to try to amp up, to put some jet fuel on the fire of these parasocial relationships

00:43:48.160 --> 00:43:53.600
because they benefit from it in X, Y, or Z way. This is another, there's so many, this is

00:43:55.120 --> 00:44:00.880
like the most frustrating thing with AI stuff is there's so much cool things that we could be

00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:08.880
doing with these tools. But instead, we're creating fake parasocial relationships. Yeah,

00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:15.360
we're doing just all the worst, most toxic possible things constantly. It's so bad. It's,

00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:21.200
oh man. It's almost like people are the problem loop. Yeah, people are the problem. And you know,

00:44:21.200 --> 00:44:26.960
like, I mean, these tools are incredibly expensive. Like the GPU costs, compute costs,

00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:31.840
the development costs of all these things, the power cost, everything is insane for this

00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:36.800
infrastructure right now. So they're trying to find ways that it can extract as much money as possible.

00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:44.160
On that note, this isn't in our notes because it wasn't something that YouTube announced

00:44:44.160 --> 00:44:49.520
made on YouTube. But one of the things they talked about a lot, you know how I've discussed with you

00:44:49.520 --> 00:44:56.160
that I felt like the days of the mega channel are kind of numbered at this point? Yeah. And I feel

00:44:56.160 --> 00:45:04.320
like YouTube is headed toward one million live viewers on a live stream recently. But okay,

00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:09.680
so when I say, okay, I should explain what I mean by mega channel, I guess what I mean is more like

00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:20.400
more like a variety channel. And I mean it in when I look at the tech space, I'm referring to us

00:45:21.200 --> 00:45:28.880
because we do a little bit of everything. We do a review of a phone, we do a tour of a factory

00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:36.640
that makes that Oh, we do a tour of a facility that recovers gold from electronic manufacturing

00:45:36.640 --> 00:45:42.960
waste. We do a video where we walk into someone's house and we cable manage it. We do like we do

00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:48.240
we do we have these kind of random formats that don't really have a common thread other than

00:45:48.240 --> 00:45:54.080
the personalities, right? And that they're for the most part about, you know, tech and mostly IT tech.

00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:05.440
A lot of other like really high growth, highly engaged channels are much smaller 100,000 or 200,000

00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:11.120
or 500,000 subscribers. But they do one thing and they do it really well, like one that I one

00:46:11.120 --> 00:46:16.960
that I really like his HDTV test. He's up to I think somewhere in the neighborhood of between

00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:23.520
500,000 and a million subscribers or something right now. And he just he just talks about display

00:46:23.520 --> 00:46:30.080
technology like panel technology like really gets really gets deep into it. And one of the

00:46:30.080 --> 00:46:35.200
things that YouTube talked about a lot but in a way that I hadn't really thought about it before

00:46:35.200 --> 00:46:42.320
because I was thinking about it in terms of subject matter, how people people are are searching out

00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:50.000
ways to go deep and and be and be part of a very, very small in the no community.

00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:58.080
They kind of came at it completely the other way. And they kind of went like

00:47:00.640 --> 00:47:08.080
people are people are fans of just about anything. And you know, one of the examples they gave was

00:47:08.080 --> 00:47:13.360
there's this bridge 11 foot eight inches or something like that. I forget what it is,

00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:21.600
but there's like a famous overpass or bridge that sorry, nothing. Oh, that that has like

00:47:21.600 --> 00:47:27.280
tons of videos of you know, just trucks like scraping the bottom or hitting it or or whatever

00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:31.520
else. And people will like take selfies with this famous bridge. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,

00:47:31.520 --> 00:47:38.720
chat, chat knows what we're talking about. The days of like Madonna, you know, being and okay,

00:47:38.720 --> 00:47:42.800
that maybe that's a bad example because we have a current generation Madonna, her name is Taylor

00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:49.040
Swift. But but my point is that the days of having like, like one person, you know,

00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:55.440
Johnny Carson, you know, on his late night show, which I forget what it's called, was it tonight

00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.800
show, late show, whatever, whatever Johnny Carson's show was like way back in the in like the 60s.

00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:08.320
He was like like a single dominant force. And if you like watched TV, you like watched that

00:48:09.120 --> 00:48:15.680
these days, like fandoms can be can be tiny. Like there's they showed this channel,

00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:24.560
where this is a this is a YouTuber that has over 150,000 subscribers. And literally, her entire

00:48:24.560 --> 00:48:34.000
channel, fans of her channel are watching her be a fan of Taylor Swift. She uploaded a feature

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:42.320
length film worth a video reviewing one Taylor Swift album. And and right, so so you're not even

00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:52.080
like, so there's I think I just muted my mic. Am I good? Hello. So there's like proxy fandoms now,

00:48:52.640 --> 00:48:55.760
almost. And so so so I was thinking about it in terms of like,

00:48:56.640 --> 00:49:02.480
subject matter. And they're talking about it in terms of like, and they didn't quite say this part,

00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.760
but the way that I interpreted it as, as wanting to be part of a community that isn't too big,

00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:13.680
and almost like finding something, whether it's like getting super deep into display panel tech,

00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:19.120
or whether it's getting super deep into like, essentially, the online version of like,

00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:25.440
of like a boy or girl band, like fan group, you know, that meets after school, right?

00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.800
I forget where I was going with this. I have no idea to be completely honest. We're talking about

00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:39.680
AI stuff. And you're talking about how niche creators are becoming more of a thing.

00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:47.600
Yeah, yeah, I don't know how that relates to AI stuff. Are we talking about the new communities

00:49:47.600 --> 00:49:56.800
part? No. No. Yeah, I forget that that's that's fine. Okay. You were, you were about to admit

00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:02.080
your lifelong swiftly. Oh, no, that dude, I don't have to, I don't have to, I don't have to,

00:50:03.120 --> 00:50:05.600
do I have to admit that? Like, I think I've been pretty upfront.

00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.360
How YouTube is pushing. Okay, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, not pushing towards smaller creators, but

00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:20.320
I think is, is, is trending towards smaller creators. And yeah, I forget exactly what point

00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:24.320
I was trying to make, but oh, AI responses, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right,

00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:30.800
right. So people crave smaller communities is what I was trying to say. I think there's

00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:38.080
gender on the internet. And maybe in society in general, towards people being actually

00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:45.360
finally fatigued and overwhelmed by gigantic communities. And I think that one of the ways

00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:52.960
that that is manifesting is as people is people craving much, much smaller communities and more

00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:59.440
niche interests, whether they were naturally interested in them or not, part of the interest

00:51:00.240 --> 00:51:08.880
is being one of the people who's into that band that no one else knows. And that that exists again

00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:16.320
in a huge or exists now in a huge way. And so, so they illustrated that with fans of this bridge

00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:22.720
or fans of a super fan of Taylor Swift, you know, like things that would have never occurred to you

00:51:22.720 --> 00:51:27.120
in or occurred to me in a thousand years, like maybe, maybe other people would have thought of

00:51:27.120 --> 00:51:34.160
that. They showed off this, this grandma, she's like in her 70s. And she has a fan channel of

00:51:34.720 --> 00:51:39.600
like anime style of video games. She's like, I didn't pick up gaming until about five years ago,

00:51:39.600 --> 00:51:43.840
or a few years ago during COVID or something like that. I forget exactly what they what the video

00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:50.480
that she said in the video they showed. But I just like love this. And people just people just come

00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:58.640
and they and they join in this in this fandom. And now I really forget exactly where I was

00:51:58.640 --> 00:52:01.760
driving to with that. But I think that's a big part of what's driving this. And right,

00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:08.960
these AI responses, I got there, so I haven't slept much, these AI responses, it feels like

00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:17.200
they're designed to create like a fake kind of intimacy and smallness of community and almost

00:52:17.200 --> 00:52:25.280
designed to play on that craving that people have for being part of something small and something

00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:33.920
personal and something intimate. Yeah, that's sucks. That makes a lot of sense. That's where

00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:43.440
I was heading with this. And look, as much as, you know, as a business person, you know, I look

00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:49.840
at this fandom concept. It's something that I think you guys, regular viewers of the Wancho

00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:55.600
will know that I'm not super into. When we create a product, I want you to buy it because it's a

00:52:55.600 --> 00:53:01.840
great product. I don't even mind if you buy it, if you love the work we do and you want to support

00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:08.800
our channel. But what I don't want you to do is to buy it because you're a fan. I don't want you

00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:17.440
to just mindlessly throw your money at us because you're a fan with no capacity for rational thought.

00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:27.680
That's not what I ask of you. It's not what I want of you. And I feel like an outsider with

00:53:27.680 --> 00:53:41.040
that perspective. I feel like there's a lot of people that want to lean into fostering that kind

00:53:41.040 --> 00:53:51.600
of parasociality, I don't know if that's a word, but that kind of fan-like behavior. And I don't

00:53:51.600 --> 00:53:56.800
think it's healthy. And I don't think that it is, I especially don't think it's healthy when it's

00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:06.560
fake. If I actually show up at LTX and I actually chat with you and take a selfie and you have

00:54:06.560 --> 00:54:11.040
actually have a really great personal interaction with me or something, and you're like, yeah,

00:54:11.040 --> 00:54:17.280
I met Linus and he seems like a nice guy, at least to the extent that I was able to gauge that from

00:54:18.080 --> 00:54:21.440
chatting with him for 31 and a half seconds at a trade show, right?

00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:25.760
That sort of interaction kind of matters, but yeah, I do generally gauge where you're going.

00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:30.800
That's fine. That's at least sort of that at least has somewhat of a like basis in reality,

00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:37.920
right? In your real lived experiences. Whereas if you tell me Linus seems like a cool guy because

00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:44.720
he trained, he used, he created a data set and trained an AI on how to reply to my comment.

00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:52.480
What? Yeah. Yeah, not great. I don't like it at all.

00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:02.080
Kind of as I've said your name before. Maybe, maybe they can make this a lot better

00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:08.960
by flagging what things are AI responses, but communicating to the user that it was an AI

00:55:09.200 --> 00:55:15.680
response. In my opinion, that would help a lot because honestly, if these are just like standard

00:55:15.680 --> 00:55:20.240
questions, you get all the time and you're just like, yeah, whatever it typed out like a 20 word

00:55:20.240 --> 00:55:25.600
thing. At that point, they're basically just like fancy canned responses. But even a canned

00:55:25.600 --> 00:55:29.600
responses feature I think would be useful for some people. But yeah, if they're at least

00:55:29.600 --> 00:55:34.640
communicating, I don't feel like they intend to because I think they want this to do the things

00:55:34.720 --> 00:55:39.200
that we've been talking about. But if they did, if they flagged it, if they made it so that was

00:55:39.200 --> 00:55:47.440
in your face and obvious for the user that this was Linus AI and not Linus, then that would be

00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:53.280
good. But it would be crazy. I bet you this thing would start signing things off with dash LS.

00:55:56.720 --> 00:56:01.360
It's trained off his comments, right? He's probably the main commenter on the channel.

00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:07.120
Single one has not no because other ones are written by other people. Linus isn't the only

00:56:07.120 --> 00:56:11.200
person that has commented. That's true. But I still think it would probably do it sometimes

00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:16.640
because enough of those comments are signed by LS. I'm assuming like at least probably 30 or 40

00:56:16.640 --> 00:56:23.360
percent over 90 percent over 90 percent. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So then it's definitely

00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:29.600
going to sign with dash LS, which if it isn't flagged as an AI is immediately egregiously

00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:31.040
misleading.

00:56:36.640 --> 00:56:41.600
All right. Shall we keep talking? Yeah. Let's see if it gets better from here.

00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:49.520
So far, neither or none of these features have really made me concerned about the future of

00:56:49.520 --> 00:56:58.080
content on the platform. This next one does. They're adding an inspiration tab with AI brainstorming

00:56:58.080 --> 00:57:03.840
and idea generation tools with the intention. Again, this is the way they communicated to us

00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:11.120
with the intention being that it's a helper. It's an assistant. You're still expected to

00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:17.760
kind of feed it. I asked, what are you guys looking at in terms of dataset? Is this trained on

00:57:18.560 --> 00:57:26.000
my best videos? Is it trained on my videos? Is it trained on videos from similar creators that

00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:34.480
share a lot of audience overlap with me? Is it based on the overall... What's the word? Corpus

00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:41.040
of content on YouTube? What's the dataset for this? And they didn't really get too specific

00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:47.440
about it. But unfortunately, I did try to ask some tough questions. I don't know why they keep

00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:53.600
inviting me to these things. Honestly, I tend to be a bit of a thorn. I'm a nice thorn. I'm a nice

00:57:53.600 --> 00:58:09.840
thorn. Pretty thorn. So the idea is that it's a helper. But the problem with any AI is the second

00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:18.480
you start training it on something that was AI generated, it starts to decay. It starts to

00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:23.040
become a photocopy of a photocopy and the actual creativity starts to disappear.

00:58:23.120 --> 00:58:28.000
And I guess what my concern is is that on the surface, I look at this and I go, yeah, that could

00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:34.320
be kind of helpful. I have a couple of ideas. I spitball them into the inspiration tab. It

00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:40.480
craps out a couple of other ideas that are rift off of maybe some videos that were really successful.

00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:47.840
Okay, I go and make that. Do we start doing that enough that the videos that are being uploaded

00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:55.920
to the platform, while not entirely AI generated, are at least influenced enough by AI that we start

00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:04.640
training our AI on AI inspired ideas and start losing some of that humaneness and some of that

00:59:04.640 --> 00:59:09.360
creativity across the platform? To your point earlier, I totally get that these are not new

00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:16.240
tools. I could totally just do this and chat GPT right now. But this is specifically trained off

00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:21.920
of YouTube, exactly in what capacity? Not sure. But it's trained off of YouTube. And if it continues

00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:25.760
to be trained off of YouTube, are we going to be like the snake eating its own tail a little bit

00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:33.200
here and just consume ourselves, consume everything that's good about it, that's unique about it?

00:59:38.720 --> 00:59:47.680
Yeah, that kind of says it all, doesn't it? I feel like basically everything I said about the VO six second clips just, yeah, again,

00:59:47.680 --> 00:59:54.800
it applies to here. I'm not surprised that they're doing it. This also feels to me like it's trying

01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:08.240
MrBeast, YouTube, and I forget, surprisingly, surprisingly, we actually don't really subscribe

01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:18.320
to a ton of creator tools. Yeah, Viewsats Pro is a MrBeast tool. I think this is the one. Is

01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:24.960
this the right one? I'm pretty sure. Whatever, some MrBeast tool. I'm not 100% sure, but I think this

01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:30.880
is it. It does things like what you're talking about. It tries to show like if you're like,

01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:37.200
oh, thumbnail with a golden controller. I believe it can do things like try to find that for you.

01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:42.240
I haven't used this in a while. I looked at it at one point in time, so I hope I'm not saying stuff

01:00:42.240 --> 01:00:50.800
that's wrong. It's no pro. Yeah, organize and brainstorm your next upload. Make better decisions

01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:54.880
with different, with more data, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think they're trying to bring these

01:00:54.880 --> 01:01:01.600
tools onto YouTube natively. Track long and short outlier videos in each category. That one's actually

01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:12.240
pretty interesting. Search thumbnails by URL and image. If I remember correctly with that tool,

01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:20.720
you can search for thumbnails basically by giving topics, and then it'll try to find you

01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:24.880
thumbnails for inspiration so you can fall in line with a type of theme that's happening on the

01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:35.280
platform, which again, just contributes to more samism, which I don't know. Again, the tools already

01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:42.320
exist. They're just trying to bring more eyeballs directly onto YouTube and have them leave less,

01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:49.840
I think. In non AI features, YouTube has also added communities, which are similar to creator

01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:54.240
controlled discord servers or subreddits where both the creator and their subscribers can

01:01:54.240 --> 01:02:00.800
post text, links, and images. This one, believe it or not, I actually like. There's a lot of friction

01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:08.560
moving people off platform. To be clear, I don't see this as a substitute for off platform engagement.

01:02:08.560 --> 01:02:16.080
I think that off platform engagement is important, but you know how we have both flow plane where we

01:02:16.080 --> 01:02:24.320
have 37,000 paying subscribers right now. We've got our flow plane platform, but we also turned on

01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:30.800
YouTube memberships, which has another 500 or something like that members. We're almost on 38,

01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:39.760
by the way. We hit 38. We're not quite, but we're 37,931. I know. That's why I said 37,000. I didn't

01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:46.080
want to. I didn't want to exaggerate. You can round up by 69. I think 69 is an acceptable

01:02:46.080 --> 01:02:50.640
number to round up on. I'll tell you what, Luke. I'll tell you what. Why don't you screen share

01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:55.200
some of the great exclusives we have on flow plane right now? Go ahead. Do it real quick. Let's try to

01:02:55.200 --> 01:03:02.400
add the 69. Let's get it done. Let's get it done. Then I can say we have 38,000 subscribers on flow

01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:10.400
plane. You go ahead. Get some cool exclusives. People might want to check out up there. In the

01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:18.480
meantime, I will keep talking. We have about 500 members on YouTube as well. I'm not going to say

01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:24.320
no to people who are willing. They pay extra the last time I looked at it. They pay extra. We're

01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:28.640
transparent about that because YouTube takes a very significant cut there that does not go

01:03:28.640 --> 01:03:34.480
toward the salaries of our developers who develop flow plane. They just don't want to leave the

01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:42.000
platform. A lot of people are like that. They just are not interested in engaging off of the

01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:48.320
YouTube platform. I think that there should be features that allow us to be there for them

01:03:50.640 --> 01:03:56.640
and engage with them. I like community posts. There's actually a fair bit of

01:03:57.200 --> 01:04:06.240
pretty solid engagement there. Solid interaction. I just wish that community members could interact

01:04:06.240 --> 01:04:13.920
with each other more easily. They've significantly tamped down on the number of sex-bought comments

01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.320
and stuff like that. It's not perfect. It still happens. Oh, it still happens. But, dude, you

01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:22.080
compare it to what it was like a year ago? Infinite arms race. It'll always happen to a

01:04:22.080 --> 01:04:27.120
certain degree, I think. They've improved a lot. We've got to give credit where it's due.

01:04:28.080 --> 01:04:34.720
I think you and I have talked a lot over the years about how under-invested YouTube comments

01:04:34.720 --> 01:04:43.760
and community is. Is this exactly the right way for them to do it? I don't know. Maybe not,

01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:51.200
but is it something? I think my biggest problem with this is a complete non-confidence that I have

01:04:51.200 --> 01:04:55.840
with Google these days, to the point where there's serious conversations about ripping out

01:04:57.680 --> 01:05:03.280
workplace solutions that we have at the company from Google right now, because there's a big

01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:08.160
question on what if this is even going to exist in a year, because they keep rug-pulling every

01:05:08.160 --> 01:05:13.840
single thing that they have, and then extremely core features that other platforms and other

01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:19.600
companies are providing these days. Google is not providing, so they're not expanding in the

01:05:19.600 --> 01:05:23.600
way that other companies are, and they're just killing products that people actually do really

01:05:23.600 --> 01:05:29.200
like constantly. If they're going to create this communities feature, and creators are going to

01:05:29.200 --> 01:05:34.480
invest into, because it is an investment, if creators are going to invest into making these

01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:40.480
communities vibrant and trying to encourage people to come over here, very likely cannibalizing their

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own already created Discord communities that have been cultivated and grown over the years,

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have moderators built into it, have likely tools made for moderation, all this other type of stuff

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that they've custom built for that, or custom tuned for that, and then YouTube rug-pulls this new

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community feature, it will be incredibly frustrating for genuinely everyone involved, and at this

01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:06.240
point in time, I have no trust in Google that they will actually keep this around, because they've

01:06:06.240 --> 01:06:12.720
proven that that would be misplaced trust, so it would be unwise for me to do so. I think it's also

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as much as I do like things like community posts, this feels like it's creating yet another thing

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that has to have moderation from it, from your team or from your community, this creates a, we have

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this, we have this problem where so many YouTubers are doing weird creepy things with kids, and now

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this is another thing that parents are going to have to be aware of in regards to ways that there

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could be bad communication, because I think it, I mean, it took years for parents to be

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properly aware of Discord, which like they seem to be now barely, okay, yeah, I don't know.

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And our parent teacher conferences this year, the teachers brought up Discord for the first time.

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Okay, yeah, so something like this. Just to give you some idea of how long it takes for things to

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make it to the mainstream. Something like this is going to take forever, so there's like,

01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:13.920
ugh, I want to like it. If this was honestly like eight years ago, I think I would have been super

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stoked. But now, especially in light with everything else that's coming out, I'm just a little sketched

01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:30.800
out. Let me play devil's advocate. It's going to be hard, but I'm going to try. I believe in you.

01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.400
Google, you're right, kills a lot of stuff. They kill a lot of good stuff. They kill a lot of

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beloved stuff. They create a bunch of kind of half baked stuff, and then they kill that,

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and that's probably for the best. The YouTube team, do they really create and kill that much

01:07:48.080 --> 01:07:55.840
compared to Google? Could we have a bit more trust in the YouTube team specifically?

01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:05.920
And I'm just asking questions. Do you want to jump on that? So they did actually, they killed paid channels.

01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:12.640
They did bring, I think it's called, is it memberships now? YouTube memberships? They

01:08:12.640 --> 01:08:18.800
brought that back, but it wasn't right away. So they got creators into the paid channel cycle,

01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:22.720
and then dropped all of them while they were developing the new ones. They didn't develop

01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:27.440
the new one and then convert everybody over. They just dropped everyone for at least a couple

01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:32.400
years, I think it was, to the point where, again, so this is actually a community building thing,

01:08:32.400 --> 01:08:38.720
right? They had creators build communities on these paid private channels, or whatever exactly it

01:08:38.720 --> 01:08:44.560
was called or however worked. We didn't use it, and it's been a long time, but they had us included,

01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:49.920
right? We might have actually used that at that time if it existed and was good, but it didn't.

01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:59.360
So they got creators like AwesomeSauce, Bitwit, Kyle, creators like that bought into this ecosystem,

01:08:59.360 --> 01:09:03.760
brought their users in, got people to subscribe, built these communities, were talking more active,

01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:08.240
all that type of stuff in that community, trying to incentivize people to actually enjoy their

01:09:08.240 --> 01:09:13.760
time there, right? And then all of those creators just got completely dropped, and now they have to

01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:18.480
bring all of their audience again to some other type of platform, all of their committing

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to Patreon or something or whatever else. And then they start YouTube ever ships,

01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:31.360
and now it's like, oh my god, so do I bring everyone back or do I split and do both or what?

01:09:31.360 --> 01:09:38.000
So like they have done that before. I will say, however, that I do generally agree that the YouTube

01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:45.440
team doesn't seem as rug-poly as Google as a whole. Most of the things that YouTube has

01:09:45.440 --> 01:09:48.880
introduced, there's some semblance of it still around, I think.

01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:53.920
You know what came up in one of my breakouts at the summit? It's one of my favorite features

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that they killed. I never got into stories on Snapchat or any other platform because I don't

01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:07.280
use those platforms. I actually really liked them on YouTube, and they never really fully

01:10:07.280 --> 01:10:13.120
implemented the feature. It literally never worked on my folding phone, even though that's

01:10:13.120 --> 01:10:19.360
Android, kind of a Google product and stuff. And then they just quietly got rid of it when

01:10:19.360 --> 01:10:26.800
they introduced Shorts, and it came up in one of the breakouts that people

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loved stories and were like, hey, can you guys bring it back? And YouTube's argument for why

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they got rid of it and didn't bring it back, we conveniently had the person who spearheaded stories

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right there in our breakout. These summits are really amazing because we really do get access to

01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:47.920
top-level people at YouTube and get to have these conversations. The reason was apparently,

01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:51.600
even though creators really liked it, user engagement with it was super low.

01:10:52.480 --> 01:10:59.600
And so, I don't know, maybe you guys can tell me, do you miss stories at all? Or do you just

01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:06.960
not care? And I may be just kind of out of touch and feeling like you guys were engaging with it.

01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:11.200
We didn't really post that many because my daily driver phone didn't support it, but

01:11:12.400 --> 01:11:17.040
yeah, never used them. Nope, didn't care at all. Yeah, so it didn't care, didn't use. So there you

01:11:17.040 --> 01:11:21.600
go, I don't remember it. We got like one person who missed them and cared. That's about it. They're

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apparently kind of hard to use. I mean, it was a half-baked implementation, so that's probably

01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:30.240
part of the problem. But other than people have brought up dislikes, I don't really see that as

01:11:30.240 --> 01:11:34.480
taking away a feature so much as changing the functionality of the site. So I'm not sure I

01:11:34.480 --> 01:11:38.480
fully agree with that one. They definitely did get rid of annotations. I think it was taking away a

01:11:38.480 --> 01:11:46.640
feature. The ability to view dislikes on a video? Yeah, I think so. Well, I think that you could

01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:52.480
say the ability to gauge sentiment on a video, they've made it worse, but they didn't take it away.

01:11:52.480 --> 01:11:57.520
They took away your ability to... Yeah, that doesn't mean anything when there's no dislikes.

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Luke, I'm not a fan of the change. I'm just saying, I don't think it's the removal of a feature so

01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:07.520
much as it is the changing of the functionality of a feature to make it worse, which is not a good

01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:13.760
thing. I just don't think it's quite the same thing. That's all I'm saying. They removed stories.

01:12:14.480 --> 01:12:19.680
It doesn't exist anymore. If it was an overall karma counter, I think I would agree with you,

01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:24.800
but because you could separately see like and dislike, I think dislike is its own feature at

01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:31.680
that point. Like and dislike are separate features. If it was a combined total and they took away

01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:37.760
your ability to see the combined total or something, that's modifying it, but yeah,

01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:42.080
I don't know. I think if it's dislike and with its own counter, they're removing a feature,

01:12:42.080 --> 01:12:48.960
which is dislike. I agree to disagree. All right, fair enough. There you go.

01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:57.680
YouTube is also testing a new hype feature, which they actually didn't talk about really at the

01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:03.520
summit, where viewers can choose to promote a recent video posted within the last seven days

01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:09.520
from a creator with fewer than 500,000 subscribers. Highly promoted videos will appear on a special

01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:14.960
leaderboard and will be marked as fan favorites. Viewers can hype up to three videos a week for

01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:23.600
free or pay for more. Man, so this is back to, I guess, I actually wasn't aware of this one.

01:13:23.600 --> 01:13:28.880
I didn't carefully go through the made on YouTube thing after we were like in person

01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:35.200
showing a lot of it. So I didn't know about this one. This just feels like monetizing

01:13:35.200 --> 01:13:39.600
super small communities again. Yeah. And small creators because, because, or what,

01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:43.040
you're, if you really want to make it, you're not going to pay for your own channel to get hyped.

01:13:45.360 --> 01:13:52.480
Oh, yeah, no, immediately. That's, that's what this is for sure. There are also,

01:13:52.480 --> 01:13:57.440
you're also going to have super fans that, that do that for sure. I think they're mostly going

01:13:57.440 --> 01:14:02.240
to use their free ones. And then you're going to have some hyper super fans that will actually use

01:14:02.240 --> 01:14:07.360
the paid version. And then I guarantee you, small creators that are really hell bent on

01:14:07.360 --> 01:14:13.120
making it as a creator, whether this feature really works or not, are going to invest money into

01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:19.840
hyping their own content with their own actual account. Or if it shows whose account did it,

01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:25.600
they'll just make fake ones and do it that way. Ready for a little bit more devil's advocate?

01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:31.520
Sure. Wonky donkey in float playing chat asks, is this feature because there are so many

01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:38.400
massive incumbents that no one can rise up? Is this potentially a clumsy

01:14:41.040 --> 01:14:49.360
flawed tool that could benefit somebody? I think if that was true, YouTube could just do it

01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:56.240
organically, which I think YouTube does extremely successfully. I think YouTube is

01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:02.560
one of, if not the best platforms on the internet for organic growth of a creator.

01:15:03.280 --> 01:15:07.680
I think something like Twitch, you know, is going to naturally, based on how Twitch works,

01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:12.400
be a lot worse at that. But I see, I see new creators on YouTube.

01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:19.360
You know, if I, if I was on it every day, I'd probably see new creators on YouTube every day.

01:15:20.160 --> 01:15:24.720
I was devil's advocating. I was devil's advocating. Advocating? Advocating.

01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:30.240
YouTube has extremely strong discoverability mechanics already. Like it's honestly really,

01:15:30.240 --> 01:15:35.200
really good almost to the point where it, if anything, it's like pulling down its most successful

01:15:35.200 --> 01:15:39.920
creators because it's kind of so obsessed with showing you new stuff all the time.

01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:45.440
All right. Let's get through the rest of the YouTube stuff and talk about some more. Let's

01:15:45.440 --> 01:15:51.040
move on. But there's a couple more things. YouTube has confirmed they're rolling out pause screen

01:15:51.040 --> 01:15:54.880
ads more widely. So I'm sure I know how you guys feel about that.

01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:02.000
Yeah. Cool. YouTube is also expanding its creator takeover program where advertisers

01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:07.280
can pay a premium to take over all the ads on a particular channel for some period of time.

01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:12.160
Just so you guys know, we were sent an email from YouTube inviting us to join this program,

01:16:12.160 --> 01:16:17.760
and we have confirmed with them that we do have the ability to opt out of takeovers that

01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:25.120
are from advertisers that we have a strong objection to. So we actually recently reconfirmed

01:16:25.120 --> 01:16:30.880
because they brought it up with us again, that we have continued to be opted out of any gambling

01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:35.280
and alcohol related ads. So you guys will not see those on our channel if everything is running

01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:45.680
correctly. And we will apply our typical sponsor restrictions, guidelines, our typical sponsor

01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:53.280
guidelines to these takeovers as well. The only exception you might see is if we miss an email

01:16:53.280 --> 01:17:00.160
or something like that. If something bad happens, it will be an accident. That's not me priming you

01:17:00.160 --> 01:17:06.000
guys for that we're going to accident on purpose. I'm just saying we are not perfect. As you guys

01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:13.600
well know, we are very human and accidents do happen. So that would be that would be why that

01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:20.560
would happen. We actually have we have published our our sponsor, like our sponsor guidelines.

01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:25.840
Luke, do you have any idea where that is? It's on the forum somewhere, isn't it? It is. It is on

01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:34.960
the forum somewhere, but I just don't know where. But yeah, I don't I don't see it right now. And

01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:41.520
yeah, sorry. If someone if someone has the link posted in the Floatplane chat, but it's somewhere

01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:46.880
on the forum where we outline all of the things that we are we are not okay with at this present

01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:53.600
time. All right. Oh, wait, I might have found it.

01:17:56.720 --> 01:18:02.960
LMG sponsor not work with list discussions. Yeah, there we go. There it is. We don't do drugs and

01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:07.840
alcohol. We do not believe this is responsible for us to promote at this time. We love that at

01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:14.400
this time. You know, we leave the door open, but not at this time. Crypto NFTs, ICOs. This is not

01:18:14.400 --> 01:18:21.920
a field we want to get mixed up in at this time. Credit loans. We want to avoid promoting these

01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:26.240
things directly. We've worked with banks and financial institutions in the past that offer

01:18:26.240 --> 01:18:31.440
these services, but we want to avoid promoting them directly. Dropshipping as a service.

01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:36.000
After our initial fact finding, we worked with one of these companies last year,

01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:40.560
but based on community feedback, we do not plan to again gaming chairs that do not prioritize

01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:46.400
ergonomics, mental health, slash therapy. We are pro therapy. We advise anyone reading this to

01:18:46.400 --> 01:18:51.520
prioritize their mental health, but we do not intend to promote any companies who profit from

01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:56.720
these services at this time. Online sports betting, gambling more broadly. We do not believe this is

01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:02.240
responsible for us to promote at this time. Pay to win games. So our bar for games is that we do

01:19:02.240 --> 01:19:08.000
actually have someone internally play the game. If it can be enjoyed without the need to sink money

01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:16.000
into it, we know this is a fine line, but we're okay with it. If it is absolutely not enjoyable

01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:23.040
without paying money, then we do not feel it is appropriate to promote at this time. And finally,

01:19:23.040 --> 01:19:27.360
unproven Kickstarter slash Indiegogo campaigns. We will work with companies that have a long

01:19:27.360 --> 01:19:32.720
history of launching products and that basically just use these platforms as a marketing vehicle,

01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:37.360
but just complete nobody's. We just don't want people to get burned and we've accidentally promoted

01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:46.000
things that we were really unhappy that we ultimately put us mostly back in like Kickstarter's

01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:53.040
heyday. Yeah. Yeah. So that's our guidelines and speaking sponsors. Why don't we tell you

01:19:53.040 --> 01:19:56.960
about our sponsors for the show today? I'm sorry, I know we only did one topic, but it was a boy,

01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:02.560
was it ever a meaty one? I didn't realize how long we've been talking. I have a play to be at in an

01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:12.480
hour. It's almost three. She was a meaty topic for an hour and a half. Well, the problem is I'm

01:20:12.480 --> 01:20:16.560
not there in person to see Dan's piece of paper. No, that's okay. I didn't stop you like this is

01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:21.600
pretty major thing, right? Yeah, except the one thing that's sad is honestly, the dock is really

01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:26.480
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Why? But it's a reference. It's a reference. Sorry, I might have done it slightly wrong.

01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:29.280
Ah, it's go f yourself San Diego. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:33.040
Should I explain the reference? Like, is that something I should do at this point?

01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:37.760
That's Anchorman one, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:46.720
It's not swearing if you're quoting someone. 2004. I bet you there's a non-insignificant amount of

01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:50.800
people watching right now that were born after the release of that movie, by the way. I think some

01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:54.800
of them might work here. Yeah. Okay, okay. I'm going to explain the joke. I'm going to explain

01:23:54.800 --> 01:24:02.000
the joke. Okay, so in the movie Anchorman, which is like one of those kind of funny movies from the

01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:10.240
early to mid 2000s, the character is sort of a blowhard anchorman played by Will Ferrell,

01:24:10.240 --> 01:24:19.440
who was much younger then. Sorry, this is horrible. Basically, he just reads anything

01:24:19.440 --> 01:24:23.520
on the prompter. So at some point to mess with him for some reason or another,

01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:29.280
somebody puts go f yourself San Diego on the prompter and he just reads it. So it's a quote.

01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:40.240
It's a reference. Okay, just anyway. Oh my God. Sammy, our social slash like float playing guy says,

01:24:40.240 --> 01:24:46.560
oh, he was a meme back in the early 2010s. Sammy, it's not a meme. He's an actor. Speaking of Sammy,

01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:54.480
speaking of Sammy, Luke, you never highlighted any like specials or exclusives or anything that

01:24:54.480 --> 01:24:59.200
should compel people to subscribe. We've only gotten like 25 subscribers. You've got a milestone

01:24:59.200 --> 01:25:04.560
to hit here. No, no, you got to say it. You got to say it out loud. Sammy, you got to tell people

01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:10.880
to sell Sammy. So I don't know. There's there's extras from like all the AMD ultimate tech upgrades,

01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:17.120
including Elijah's. There's 46 minutes, 46 minutes of extra Linus and Elijah. Guys,

01:25:17.120 --> 01:25:21.360
you got to subscribe or you're not going to see it. There's a closer look from David on

01:25:22.480 --> 01:25:28.480
why David is buying a PS5 Pro. There's the continuing series of why the WAN Show is late,

01:25:29.360 --> 01:25:36.800
where that reason is investigated every week. There's Meet the Teams. There's tons of

01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:42.240
scrapyard wars extras from like every episode, I think, which I think totals to like an hour

01:25:42.240 --> 01:25:47.920
and a half of extras or something. It's it's crazy. Look, you don't have to subscribe forever.

01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:54.160
This is a DRM free platform. Once you subscribe, you can just download any videos that you want to

01:25:54.160 --> 01:25:58.640
watch. That is true. Luke, let's be honest. Let's be honest with the people. We appreciate

01:25:58.640 --> 01:26:03.440
that. That's not even what I was saying about it. Sammy's here and he's very angry. The problem is

01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:08.960
that we have a download feature at all and have to support it. You can use it as much as you

01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:14.480
want. I don't care. Hey, hey, look, Riley week is coming. Riley week is coming. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

01:26:14.480 --> 01:26:18.000
That's going to be sick. When is that? Is that next week? Two weeks from now. Two weeks from now,

01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:22.800
I think. Yeah. That's that's the what's what we have planned. And so there's a lot of extras.

01:26:23.360 --> 01:26:26.880
And look, we got to be really friendly. I can't hear Linus. Sorry. I'm hugging over him.

01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:33.840
What? We got to be real with the people, guys. Floatplane is a great way to support the work

01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:42.000
that we're doing. Keep Sammy employed. But it's also just really great content. There's literally

01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:48.080
hundreds of videos that are exclusive to Floatplane where you guys can get like extra footage,

01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:53.920
meet the team behind the scenes, super checks at post-WEN show battles,

01:26:54.160 --> 01:27:03.600
like actual like literally like 100 plus hours of content. And to get subscribed, all you're

01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:07.600
going to do is it's like five bucks, I think, for the bottom tier subscription. So go, go, go,

01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:14.240
go, go, go, go. We got a milestone to crack. Please, please. We lost one. We're literally down one

01:27:14.240 --> 01:27:19.520
compared to the last time I said anything. So wow, good job. Good job, me. Good job, Sammy.

01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:24.320
It's nice working with Sammy. So it doesn't update instantaneously when people unsubscribe.

01:27:24.320 --> 01:27:30.400
It updates when their subscription period ends. So someone's, yeah. Just happened to end in the

01:27:30.400 --> 01:27:37.680
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but I imagine it is super cute. Oh, he's blushing. Come back to me. Oh, you can see it there. Never

01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:49.040
mind. All right. I guess we should probably do another topic. I don't even know if we're

01:28:49.040 --> 01:28:53.280
going to get to merch messages, but we have a really good deal. We don't have two minutes.

01:28:53.280 --> 01:29:01.040
So yeah, go for it. Okay. Well, we've got a really good deal to announce. It is 50% off our

01:29:01.040 --> 01:29:07.360
remaining water bottle and spout lid inventory. So the link here is to the 40 ounce bottle,

01:29:07.360 --> 01:29:14.160
but I think this applies to every bottle on the site. While supplies last, water bottles featuring

01:29:14.160 --> 01:29:19.440
the old spout lid, as well as individual purchases of the old spout lid, which many of you have

01:29:19.440 --> 01:29:25.920
noticed is compatible with many other water bottles, are 50% off due to the discount. These

01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:29.920
products are considered final sale. They are not eligible for return, but this is a really good

01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:33.600
deal. You guys are going to want to check it out. The reason we're clearing them out is we

01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:40.240
finally had inventory of our new in-house design spout lid and Luke is not a huge fan.

01:29:40.240 --> 01:29:44.160
I'm going to talk you through why I think it's great. And then Luke can talk you through

01:29:44.160 --> 01:29:48.960
what he thinks about it. And you can decide for yourself if you want to stock up on old

01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:52.720
water bottles and spout lids at the discount, or if you want to wait for the new one. So

01:29:53.680 --> 01:29:59.680
Luke, do you have the lid there? Yes. It features easier cleaning. So there's two O-rings. There's

01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:03.520
the one between the lid and the water bottle. And then there's the one between the spout top

01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:08.560
and the lid. Both of those have pull tabs on them now, which make them much easier to take out for

01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:16.800
cleaning. The threading for the spout top is on the outside now rather than the inside. We know

01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:21.760
that some people are not going to like the feel of the spout top thread against their lips.

01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:27.520
We went back and forth on this over and over and over and over again. And what it kept coming down

01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:34.960
to is that our major concerns with the old spout top lid were two. One was that the clip

01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:39.600
would break pretty easily. Too easily for us, not that easily. Like to be clear, if you buy one,

01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:43.840
it's probably going to last okay as long as you don't drop it. But they did break too easily.

01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:49.520
And the new one is much, much harder to break. And then the other concern we had is that it's

01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:54.720
not the easiest to clean. And when it came down to what our design goals were for this product,

01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:59.200
easy cleaning was a major one. And we decided to keep the threads on the outside

01:30:59.200 --> 01:31:04.400
so that it's much, much easier to clean. The hinge has been reinforced to prevent it. Oh,

01:31:04.400 --> 01:31:09.200
wait, I already said that. It is not yet released, but it will be included on the new restock of

01:31:09.200 --> 01:31:19.760
water bottles. Luke has some concerns. Yeah, I think the increased cleanliness

01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:25.840
features are genuinely super cool and probably make the whole thing worth it regardless.

01:31:26.480 --> 01:31:31.520
What concerns Luke? There are some downsides that come with it. Like one thing that I noticed is

01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:37.520
very commonly with the old lid, you could do this. If you notice, I didn't really do much to it. And

01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:42.640
it immediately went down to this, I'm trying to show, but there's it's black on a dark background.

01:31:43.360 --> 01:31:49.520
It went on this downward angle with the new lid. If you if you whip it open, even with a bunch

01:31:49.520 --> 01:31:53.680
of force, it just stays there, which makes it so that with that much force, it actually held

01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:58.000
position. But when you go to drink it, it hits you in the face. So you actually have to like kind

01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:06.400
of click it down. That results in some wear that I suspect the support team will get messages about

01:32:06.400 --> 01:32:11.840
on the little nubbins that hold it in place. But I've been informed that those are designed

01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:16.080
to do that. So they're fine. I just I think the support team is going to get some messages

01:32:16.080 --> 01:32:22.080
because they wear quite quickly. Or they so the first bit of wear. Yeah, the first bit of wear

01:32:22.080 --> 01:32:26.640
looks like a lot. And then and then it doesn't do much more, I'm assuming. And then it doesn't do

01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:31.760
much more. Yeah, that that is something that I'm actually not very concerned about. Yeah, sure.

01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:37.360
And then much case scenario. Hey, we got you, bro. So yeah, exactly. And then the the last one is

01:32:37.360 --> 01:32:45.040
the the threads on the outside. Again, genuinely a really big bump for cleanliness and makes it

01:32:45.040 --> 01:32:51.840
worth it. Yeah. But on the old one, it's incredibly easy to close. I use our water bottles

01:32:53.120 --> 01:32:58.560
literally every single day extensively. I drink at least 64 ounces of water out of our water

01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:04.240
bottles every single day, usually more than that. So I'm very enthusiast. Luke has made

01:33:04.240 --> 01:33:11.840
gallons of pee with our water bottle. Oh, yeah, all of them. So I have I have feelings about this.

01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:18.560
Okay, that's all. The old ones, opening and closing, you can just do that 100% accurate

01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:24.400
every single time you I know now that this is closed with the new ones that is not the case

01:33:24.400 --> 01:33:31.200
because the threads on the outside are less reliable. So like, did that work? No. And I can

01:33:31.200 --> 01:33:36.720
tell because the whole lid kind of rocks back and forth. But if you just like grab it and turn it,

01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:42.080
it will work like it's fine. It's not that it doesn't close. It's just that like this old maneuver

01:33:42.080 --> 01:33:48.800
that I used to do to like flick it off and flick it back on instantly every single time no longer

01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:56.080
works with 100% reliability. So if you're coming from the old lid, just don't trust a random spin

01:33:56.080 --> 01:34:00.560
because yeah, again, it didn't it didn't actually happen. But if you just twist it closed,

01:34:02.160 --> 01:34:06.080
it does go and will hold. So I don't know, just something to be aware of.

01:34:06.080 --> 01:34:10.800
There's a few questions. Matt man asks, would you sell the old rings with the tabs separately? I

01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:15.040
would buy them, but I don't like the outside threads. They are not compatible with the old lids,

01:34:15.040 --> 01:34:21.840
unfortunately, again, to improve the sanitation sanitariness, to improve the ease of cleaning.

01:34:22.400 --> 01:34:27.200
We did redesign the lid, even though it cosmetically looks an awful lot like the old one.

01:34:27.200 --> 01:34:31.840
It looks similar. Yeah, it's not the same. Yeah. Yeah. The new.

01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:36.320
But we know I'm not happy with Luke's complaints. Luke brought these up before the show,

01:34:36.320 --> 01:34:41.600
and I was like, you should talk about them. Like we believe in transparency. I don't

01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:44.960
know how many times I have to prove that. Do you need me to cut open a lid?

01:34:45.280 --> 01:34:53.120
I'll go to 105 layer lid. I'll go to 105. We got a bandsaw. I'll do it.

01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:58.800
I haven't broken something in a while. Like I said, I use these every day. I know some people

01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:03.840
say that they've broken a bunch of the hinge ARM things. I've never broken one of them. I don't

01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:08.480
necessarily know what's causing that to happen. I throw them around all the time. Oh, maybe I

01:35:08.480 --> 01:35:13.040
just don't drop them. That makes sense. And not all of them are weak. It's like it's a plastic

01:35:13.040 --> 01:35:17.920
flow issue. It's not obvious looking at it, why it would be weak, but sometimes the way the plastic

01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:23.520
flow. Interesting. Okay. So ours isn't actually that much bigger, but the way the plastic flows

01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:30.160
and cools, it will be much stronger. It looks so, yeah. You can tell it's bigger.

01:35:31.040 --> 01:35:36.240
But it's not dramatically bigger. There's so much more to a water bottle lid than I think

01:35:36.240 --> 01:35:41.120
most people would probably think about. This one was very thoughtful. I promise you that.

01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:48.320
Yeah. The more I've thought about it, I should probably get these, even though I don't love

01:35:48.320 --> 01:35:55.200
the threads on the outside, just because it's going to be cleaner. I clean mine all the time,

01:35:55.200 --> 01:36:00.160
but still, this is very simple to clean, which makes me believe that it's going to become more

01:36:00.160 --> 01:36:05.600
clean. We've got to do some topics, Luke. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. As much as I'd love to keep talking

01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:14.880
about our merch. Linux gamers can no longer play GTA 5. Rockstar has updated GTA 5 with

01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:21.040
battle eye anti-cheat, breaking Linux compatibility and rendering Steam Deck players unable to play

01:36:21.040 --> 01:36:26.640
the games online multiplayer. Notably, GTA 5 was one of the top 10 most popular games played on the

01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:35.280
platform last week and has been in the top 20 for the past two years. It is not entirely clear why

01:36:35.280 --> 01:36:41.600
Rockstar did this. The company has blamed Valve for the issue and directed all questions to them.

01:36:42.240 --> 01:36:48.560
However, according to a 2021 comment from Valve, battle eye is fully compatible with their proton

01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:54.000
compatibility layer and developers simply have to email battle eye to enable it. In fact, there are

01:36:54.000 --> 01:37:01.200
already many games using battle eye that are supported by proton. Nice. As a potential silver

01:37:01.200 --> 01:37:07.360
lining to the recent cloud strike. Sorry. Crowd strike. You mean? Is this a typo?

01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:15.680
Crowd strike. Yeah, it's a typo. Okay. I was like, what's cloud strike? Microsoft appears to be

01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:21.760
preparing to push security software outside of the Windows kernel, which would likely possibly

01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:28.400
include anti-cheat. Yeah. This may in turn allow for more games to work on Linux. Yeah. Oh, is that

01:37:28.400 --> 01:37:33.840
the good news that you were referring to before? Yes. Yeah. That's pretty cool. That's actually

01:37:34.400 --> 01:37:41.200
enormous. Like, I don't know. I know a very significant amount of people that only don't

01:37:41.200 --> 01:37:44.800
want to switch to Linux at this point because of multiplayer games that they wouldn't be able

01:37:44.800 --> 01:37:51.120
to play because of anti-cheat. This is so cool. This is actually massive. It's in my opinion,

01:37:52.240 --> 01:37:58.000
maybe because I don't play GTA 5. That's probably accurate. A bigger story than the GTA 5 thing.

01:37:58.080 --> 01:38:03.920
If it actually happens, if they pull anti-cheat out of the kernel and then we're able to get more

01:38:05.120 --> 01:38:10.000
of the games that were previously kind of locked to Windows onto Linux, that will be enormous.

01:38:13.120 --> 01:38:18.960
Yeah. Regarding your game that doesn't work anymore, in at least one case, it seems a player was able

01:38:18.960 --> 01:38:23.840
to get a refund for GTA 5 on Steam, but another person on Reddit apparently had the request

01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:29.520
rejected. A message from Steam support seems to suggest that Valve is working with Rockstar

01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:35.120
to fix the issue. We do need to get through a few more topics here just because I have a play

01:38:35.120 --> 01:38:40.400
to go to. Hey, Vaughn, what are we seeing again? We're seeing the great Gatsby. I'm very excited.

01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:50.400
Nintendo has finally sued Pow World, but in a kind of surprising way. Nintendo and the Pokémon

01:38:50.400 --> 01:38:56.880
company, of which Nintendo is part owner, announced they have filed a lawsuit in Tokyo District Court

01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:02.560
against PocketPair, the developer of the indie smash hit, Pow World. While Pokémon fans have

01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:07.360
expected this to happen for some time, like basically from the moment that game came out,

01:39:07.360 --> 01:39:14.160
the nature of the lawsuit is not at all what anyone expected. When Pow World came out, Twitter

01:39:14.160 --> 01:39:18.480
threads, like the one Luke is about to show you guys, purported to show pals from Pow World,

01:39:18.480 --> 01:39:24.160
whose designs plagiarized the designs of Pokémon, essentially accusing PocketPair of copyright

01:39:24.160 --> 01:39:32.160
infringement. So many people made complaints to the Pokémon company that they released a statement

01:39:32.160 --> 01:39:39.840
saying they didn't grant permission of Pokémon IP or assets. But Nintendo isn't suing over copyright,

01:39:40.400 --> 01:39:45.920
so like art and design, at least not yet. They are suing over the infringement of multiple patents,

01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:52.480
meaning that they are arguing that Pow World, a survival crafting third-person shooter with

01:39:52.480 --> 01:39:56.880
indentured servitude as a core feature, is functionally similar to Pokémon.

01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:06.400
The patents that Nintendo feels are being infringed have not been revealed,

01:40:06.400 --> 01:40:13.280
but one good guess is a patent found by PC Gamer. It broadly covers a game system that allows

01:40:13.360 --> 01:40:19.040
switching between two modes, where the first mode is aiming and throwing an item that imparts an

01:40:19.040 --> 01:40:25.280
effect on a character in an overworld, and the second mode is aiming and throwing a fighting

01:40:25.280 --> 01:40:31.520
character in an overworld to perform an action, such as fighting another character.

01:40:33.040 --> 01:40:39.040
To be clear, this patent does not cover a game program that allows a player character to catch

01:40:39.040 --> 01:40:46.240
a character only during a fight. What? Okay, hold on, hold on. An example of what falls

01:40:46.240 --> 01:40:51.920
within this patent is contained in Pokémon Legends Arceus. The first mode would be how

01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:56.640
players can throw items at wild Pokémon outside of combat. The second mode would be how you can

01:40:56.640 --> 01:41:01.120
throw a Pokéball containing a tamed Pokémon at a wild Pokémon to initiate a fight or at

01:41:01.120 --> 01:41:06.560
something like a tree to collect, berries. You can patent that?

01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:15.600
A lot of gaming patents are really stupid. The directional arrow from like crazy taxi who they

01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:20.960
suit, Simpson sit and run the pointy directional arrow, mini games and loading screens. That's

01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:24.720
what I was going to say. There's like hundreds of these examples. What a really stupid concept.

01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:32.880
Oh yeah, it's crazy. Dude! Yeah. That's trash and I don't like it. Yep.

01:41:34.080 --> 01:41:41.520
Are you new here? The good news here, okay, is PocketPair made enough bucket loads of money

01:41:42.080 --> 01:41:46.720
and must have known that this was coming, that they will maybe be able to defend themselves?

01:41:48.480 --> 01:41:53.280
Maybe. We'll see. Japanese court, not American court for people that are trying to be

01:41:53.280 --> 01:42:01.040
lawyers right now. Japanese court, that's going to be rough. Not that I'm saying it will be biased,

01:42:01.040 --> 01:42:04.640
I'm just saying this is clearly Nintendo's home turf where they are going to have

01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:08.640
more experience. Also a bunch of people are pointing out that apparently the

01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:14.000
Microsoft moving antivirus out of the kernel thing won't stop. Anti-cheat maybe something,

01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:18.080
maybe, I don't know. I haven't read super deeply into it. I was just hoping that would be the case

01:42:18.080 --> 01:42:22.400
and I know some other people were echoing that as well. So we'll see what happens.

01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:28.320
I wonder if the excitement from everyone of that happening might incentivize

01:42:28.320 --> 01:42:32.240
anti-cheat companies to look at Linux a little bit more even? Even that? I don't know.

01:42:32.240 --> 01:42:39.440
To be clear, PocketPair is also Japanese, but what I suspect is they have far less

01:42:39.440 --> 01:42:44.640
experience navigating the court system than Nintendo does. When I say home turf, sorry,

01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:50.000
my intention was not to say Japan. My intention was to say specifically Japanese court.

01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:55.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh boy, well good luck PocketPair.

01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:03.760
How much time do you have? Hey Vaughn, how long's the walk? How long's the walk?

01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:10.400
I'm finding out. Oh, quick clarification from our D-Google Your Life Part 2 video.

01:43:11.120 --> 01:43:17.920
We discussed NextCloud and we said NextCloud is more home user whereas OwnCloud is more enterprise.

01:43:18.720 --> 01:43:22.800
We had a chat with NextCloud about this and they said, hey, that's kind of outdated information

01:43:22.800 --> 01:43:28.560
and they actually, according to them, have significantly larger customers than OwnCloud

01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:34.160
with some installations in the many millions. So I just wanted to clarify that.

01:43:35.120 --> 01:43:42.560
Cool. Okay, I need to go fairly soon. Should we smash some merge messages before you go

01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:45.680
and then save these topics for next week? Because we haven't done any merge messages.

01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:50.080
Sure, let me just see if there's anything extremely important. Yeah,

01:43:50.080 --> 01:43:54.080
ASUS refused to repair a service center damaged laptop by the look of things.

01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:59.840
Reddit user Animatrix who works as a senior effects technical director recently alleged that

01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:07.360
an authorized ASUS service center that he asked to repair his $12,000 pro-art laptop instead

01:44:07.360 --> 01:44:13.120
seriously damaged the device. Damages included a screen that was cracked from corner to corner

01:44:13.120 --> 01:44:17.040
as well as having at least one corner shattered. This kind of sounds like shipping damage, but

01:44:17.040 --> 01:44:21.200
hold on, let's keep going. The internal frame was allegedly deformed and the display surface

01:44:21.200 --> 01:44:27.520
peeled off at the edges. According to Animatrix, the service center initially denied responsibility,

01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:32.720
then confirmed that the staff had damaged the laptop after Animatrix called their head office.

01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:38.320
Animatrix claims that ASUS refused to replace the laptop with an equivalent because it is

01:44:38.320 --> 01:44:43.040
out of warranty, despite the fact that this would be a matter of liability, not warranty.

01:44:43.600 --> 01:44:49.280
It nonetheless took over two months to get ASUS to repair most of the damage. Animatrix

01:44:49.280 --> 01:44:53.200
further says that the original problem with the laptop, which the authorized service center

01:44:53.200 --> 01:44:58.080
incorrectly said would require the motherboard to be replaced, was later fixed by a smaller

01:44:58.080 --> 01:45:03.360
service center without replacing the motherboard. The laptop was originally provided by ASUS to

01:45:03.360 --> 01:45:10.480
Animatrix in exchange for promoting their pro-art line using their work in feature film visual effects.

01:45:11.360 --> 01:45:15.360
That last bit complicates this a lot.

01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:18.080
When we...

01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:32.560
Why does that change things? Well, I don't think that changes things at all, to be honest. This was an out-of-warranty

01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:36.640
repair that he did at an authorized service center that they broke his computer at, so it's,

01:45:37.440 --> 01:45:40.640
I don't think it really has anything to do with how he got it.

01:45:43.440 --> 01:45:49.680
If I took my car, which is... Hold on. Was it? Did they know it was out of warranty? I'm just

01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:53.360
checking. Yeah, no, this is out of warranty. Okay, no, you're right. You're right. Then it doesn't

01:45:53.360 --> 01:45:57.040
change at all. It has nothing to do with how he got it. Yeah, okay. Because if it was a sample,

01:45:57.040 --> 01:46:02.160
and this was a warranty conversation, then that gets a little bit harrier because there can be

01:46:02.800 --> 01:46:08.800
an understanding that, like, yeah, well, here it is, but whatever it is, what it is.

01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:13.280
Into the room. But if this is a service center and an out-of-warranty situation,

01:46:13.280 --> 01:46:17.920
if they damaged it, man, they've just got to figure out what their escalation workflow needs to be.

01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:23.600
Because I've talked about this. At the very highest level, the willingness to make these

01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:33.360
things right is there. They just have such a broken process that, like, now I'm the one who

01:46:33.360 --> 01:46:38.240
has to raise this. The media is the one who has to talk about this. Instead of just getting the

01:46:38.240 --> 01:46:43.040
customer's message through to the people who can make this decision and make it right. Yeah, because

01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:48.480
if you read the Reddit thread, honestly, this skips a lot of steps. If you read the Reddit

01:46:48.480 --> 01:46:54.960
thread, if I remember correctly, at one point in time, they tried to offer him some, like,

01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:59.200
this is a $12,000 laptop, right? This is a professional laptop, probably with a quadro

01:46:59.200 --> 01:47:05.120
card in it, stuff like that. This is not a normal laptop. If I remember correctly,

01:47:05.120 --> 01:47:11.280
they tried to offer him some eight gig, whatever, random standard normie laptop

01:47:12.160 --> 01:47:17.520
in response to it, which he was fairly obviously like, no, which is why it took so long to

01:47:19.360 --> 01:47:24.880
actually get solved. This is really frustrating. They just need to get it together. They need to

01:47:24.880 --> 01:47:31.600
have, like, a global escalation line. They need to staff it with people who are empowered to make

01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:37.360
these decisions, and they just need to deal with this. Like, I'm so, I'm so tired of seeing this.

01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:42.400
They've got to be tired of seeing this, you know? Yeah.

01:47:42.480 --> 01:47:48.400
The last thing we said we would talk about is the rise of 9,000 launch.

01:47:50.480 --> 01:47:57.280
According to Mind Factory, a large German e-retailer, specializing in electronics,

01:47:58.480 --> 01:48:03.760
they have publicly available sales numbers that show they've only sold a couple hundred units of

01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:10.160
9,000 series chips since their launch. However, this doesn't reflect how well AMD is doing in

01:48:10.160 --> 01:48:16.480
the pre-built market, which seems to be significantly larger. That's, wow, that's a bummer.

01:48:17.440 --> 01:48:28.000
I guess it turns out that super, I guess it turns out that when you've got X3D,

01:48:29.200 --> 01:48:33.520
anything other than X3D is going to kind of not matter.

01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:41.920
All right. Why don't we do a couple of merge messages? We can explain how they work real quick,

01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:45.440
the way to interact with the show, which I guess is, I mean, Luke and Dan, are you

01:48:45.440 --> 01:48:48.480
guys going to stick around a little while longer? You're not obligated to, but like,

01:48:48.480 --> 01:48:53.520
you know, probably we're trying to get through the merge messages. I sent you a message on Teams, Linus, but yeah, we can. We can stay for a bit.

01:48:54.080 --> 01:49:00.080
But yeah, I think just to speak on the Ryzen topic for a quick second, I totally agree.

01:49:00.080 --> 01:49:04.240
Everyone's waiting for X3D. I think that's what basically every reviewer told people to do.

01:49:04.240 --> 01:49:11.040
I think the coolness of 9000 series in the areas that it does matter is extremely

01:49:11.040 --> 01:49:16.640
minor and no one really cares. And the sales that have gone to it have probably been

01:49:19.200 --> 01:49:24.320
non-gamer, just people building a new computer, and it's just the thing that happens to be out,

01:49:24.320 --> 01:49:33.200
and that's it. I think that's all the sales. Dude, if I was doing like the trunk computer for my like car gaming setup again,

01:49:33.200 --> 01:49:37.920
I'd probably put 9000 series in it. Just because like extra, well, you know, right,

01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:41.520
right, it's niche, but like the extra heat really matters there.

01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:45.840
Yeah, but then again, X3D chips are so efficient too.

01:49:48.240 --> 01:49:57.920
I would just be waiting for the next X3D series. 9000 X3D is going to be, oh, I hate making predictions these days. I think 9000 X3D is

01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:03.440
going to be really good though. I'm actually kind of stoked. I hope I get to be right because

01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:08.800
I just want cool tech to talk about that if I'm biased by anything, it's that.

01:50:09.760 --> 01:50:13.440
I'm biased to like have something cool to talk about and like play with.

01:50:14.480 --> 01:50:18.480
All right, merge messages. All you got to do is throw something in your card on lttstore.com,

01:50:18.480 --> 01:50:24.800
send us a merge message. We don't really do super chats or quick twitch bits or twitch bits or

01:50:25.760 --> 01:50:28.960
any of that stuff. It's better if you're going to throw money at your screen that you're going to

01:50:28.960 --> 01:50:34.720
get some high quality merchandise in the middle of our 50% off water bottles that we're running for

01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:39.360
the next little bit while we clear out the ones with the old lid design. You can also

01:50:41.200 --> 01:50:46.240
backorder a precision screwdriver. Dan, if you want to show people how merge messages work,

01:50:46.240 --> 01:50:50.960
they go into the queue to be responded to later. Dan will reply to them now or he will

01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:56.880
throw them to the show for us to respond to in real time. Dan, hit me. Sure, I got a bit of a juicy

01:50:56.880 --> 01:51:02.640
one here if we're not going to do too many. Hey, LLD, any thoughts on the Three Mile Island nuclear

01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:08.720
plant coming back online with an exclusive delivery deal with Microsoft dystopian or green power for

01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:15.840
power hungry AI? That's face I made when I got it. I actually hadn't heard about this and I was so

01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:25.440
on board because nuclear power has this like bad rap that just needs to stop. It's not perfect.

01:51:26.080 --> 01:51:31.600
Nothing is perfect, but good lord compared to just like burning friggin coal like it's the

01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:36.320
industrial revolution. Are you kidding me? Basically depends if we're at war or not.

01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:45.200
I was like, this sounds great. I was like, this sounds great until you said the last part.

01:51:45.200 --> 01:51:50.960
And then I thought back to that hydro power plant in BC that apparently is dedicated to

01:51:50.960 --> 01:52:03.040
running a crypto farm. And I was like, man, really? Really? Yeah, I don't know. I hadn't

01:52:03.040 --> 01:52:12.080
heard about this. I don't know. Really? It's better than burning coal. Unless there's an

01:52:12.080 --> 01:52:18.000
act of war. Yeah, but like this isn't replacing any of the dirty power that we're producing for

01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:27.920
things people actually need. This is just additive. Oh, yeah. Well, wait, is this for Microsoft?

01:52:28.560 --> 01:52:33.120
Yeah, yeah. So I mean, they were going to do something. So it's either build a coal plant

01:52:33.120 --> 01:52:40.000
or do this because there's all these projections right now of the power generation that the

01:52:40.000 --> 01:52:43.680
states is going to have and how it's going to change over the next coming years and how it's

01:52:43.680 --> 01:52:49.360
going to massively outpace previous predictions and yada yada. So this power increase is going

01:52:49.360 --> 01:52:54.080
to come from somewhere. So I understand what you're saying. We're like, we're not replacing

01:52:54.160 --> 01:52:59.520
like heating people's water with coal, but they were going to make it somehow.

01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:06.000
So it's either more coal plants, new ones or this or something else. I don't know, right?

01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:16.640
Okay, well, okay, you know what? Fine. If this is a thawing of the frigid enthusiasm that there's

01:53:16.640 --> 01:53:24.720
been around nuclear power for a while, then then I then I'm happy. There. Yeah. Okay, Dan hit me.

01:53:25.360 --> 01:53:34.080
Sure. Oh, geez, let's see. Linus, I thanked my wife for make for doing my laundry. As you said,

01:53:34.080 --> 01:53:39.280
any news about the moist pocket? Thank you for solving my problems greeting from Belgium and

01:53:39.280 --> 01:53:45.360
my wife. I forget what the moist pocket even is. I think it was in a pair of pants you designed.

01:53:46.240 --> 01:53:54.960
Like an internal pocket. Dude, I say random stuff all the time. I do remember this. There was like

01:53:54.960 --> 01:53:59.680
a zippered internal pocket, a pair of sweatpants or something like that. Oh, a water-resistant

01:54:00.240 --> 01:54:06.400
pocket. Oh, it was like sweat proof. Because if you just have like a sweaty ass, then I guess

01:54:06.400 --> 01:54:12.480
like your stuff won't get wet. It might be a typo they are from Belgium and there's some errors in

01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:19.600
here. I don't think we're going to have a moist pocket. Any pocket can be a moist pocket.

01:54:20.320 --> 01:54:28.000
Yeah. I mean, nothing's impossible, but not today. Not today. Oh, I am wearing the new cargo pants,

01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:38.160
though. If you do have one, don't call it that. Yeah, cargo pants. Yeah. All totally normal pockets.

01:54:39.120 --> 01:54:46.000
Yeah. Lots of them, though. Lots of moist pockets. Linus, how are you doing for timing?

01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:51.920
You're five minutes over now, I believe. Is still okay? I need to go in like five minutes.

01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:57.440
Okay, can do. Question for Linus, with your Taycan, what's your opinion on Porsche's new EVs?

01:54:57.440 --> 01:55:03.440
Updated Taycan, Macan EV, 718 EV. Will you buy a new Porsche EV in the future? Why or why not?

01:55:03.680 --> 01:55:11.760
I am funny. My nickname for my car is the Taycan't because it has issues with it sometimes.

01:55:13.120 --> 01:55:16.160
It's been recalled like four times or something like that.

01:55:17.200 --> 01:55:23.440
Overall, though, I love driving my car. Luke has heard me talk about it a fair bit outside of

01:55:23.440 --> 01:55:32.400
Wanshow. That is a happy purchase. The acceleration is not the most important thing for killing it

01:55:32.400 --> 01:55:42.000
at the track and whatever, but I like driving around in something that literally accelerates

01:55:42.000 --> 01:55:49.120
the way the Incredicoster does at California Adventure Park. My kids love it. They're always like,

01:55:49.120 --> 01:55:57.440
do launch control, do launch control. I enjoy it. I like my car. I do want to test drive the

01:55:57.440 --> 01:56:06.240
Macan just because I'm kind of curious. I have no interest in the 718. I don't even really understand

01:56:06.240 --> 01:56:14.000
Porsche's lineup. It doesn't really make sense to me. The whole 911, 911, something like that.

01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:19.360
I don't understand the different generation nomenclature. I'm not really a car guy. I just like

01:56:19.360 --> 01:56:26.960
my car. I want to test drive the Macan. I'm curious about it. The new Taycan, the main

01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:33.280
benefit that would affect me because it has better driving dynamics. I'm not going to take

01:56:33.280 --> 01:56:37.760
this thing to the track. The main benefit to me would be the better range, but the range doesn't

01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:42.080
bother me on mine. I don't road trip in it. Who would road trip? Someone might. It's actually

01:56:42.080 --> 01:56:50.640
very daily drivable, but I don't road trip, so it doesn't bother me. There. That's all I have to say

01:56:50.640 --> 01:56:56.240
about that. Hit me. Two more for you. Hayline is excited to get my hoodie, but I noticed I can

01:56:56.240 --> 01:57:00.960
only buy mystery color. Anyways, I was wondering if you had any advice. What would you give to

01:57:00.960 --> 01:57:07.040
a high schooler in grade nine? Thank you for all you do. Take every course you can for free because

01:57:07.040 --> 01:57:15.520
education costs a friggin ton of money the second you graduate from high school. Yeah, but not just

01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:23.680
academics. I took like metal art and jewelry, and it was like hugely, you never know when something

01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:32.560
is going to come in handy. My wife and I did a make your own earrings class on a weekend,

01:57:32.560 --> 01:57:37.680
and we made her a pair of earrings that's special and handmade by us. We each made one,

01:57:37.680 --> 01:57:42.400
and they kind of match, but kind of don't. They're very handcrafted like that, and taking metal

01:57:42.400 --> 01:57:47.280
art and jewelry was really useful for me being more decent at it. You're like, I don't know. You

01:57:47.280 --> 01:57:53.760
never know. Just like broaden your horizons. Keep your horizons broad. Do all of it. Hey,

01:57:53.760 --> 01:57:58.800
have you considered doing a follow up on extreme tech upgrades to see what people regretted or

01:57:58.800 --> 01:58:03.360
would have done differently? Thanks. We have thought about that as a Floatplane exclusive,

01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:08.640
but we should definitely note it, Dan, if you don't mind forwarding that to as a reminder to Sammy.

01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:14.320
It'd be great to get that series rolling. Speaking of Floatplane exclusives, Luke,

01:58:14.320 --> 01:58:20.960
we have 37,000 subscribers on Floatplane. Nice. We did not make it. Oh, we didn't make it.

01:58:20.960 --> 01:58:26.880
Never mind. 37,968. Sorry, brother. When we get one more, it'll be cool.

01:58:28.400 --> 01:58:33.760
That's a sub goal that I like a lot. If we get one more, I'm happy. We got about half of the way

01:58:33.760 --> 01:58:39.520
there. All right, Dan hit me. It's a quarterly goal. No, it's not. Did you say, oh yeah, I'm going

01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:43.440
to forward that to Sammy. That's all I've really got for you Linus. I do have one message here

01:58:43.440 --> 01:58:55.520
that I got privately. Apparently, it's MAPE's wedding day today. Yes. Oh, wow. Yeah. Congrats,

01:58:55.520 --> 01:59:03.040
MAPE. Long time. Long time. A member of our community, especially over on the forum.

01:59:04.080 --> 01:59:07.440
Congratulations. I really hope you aren't watching the show right now.

01:59:08.240 --> 01:59:13.360
I've got it. So we'll see you in the VOD. We'll see you in the VOD, buddy.

01:59:16.160 --> 01:59:21.840
Congratulations. We got one more, by the way, on Floatplane, Luke. Oh, nice. We are at 37,969.

01:59:21.840 --> 01:59:26.560
So at least that's something. Thank you. That's something for you. Thank you. We did that. I

01:59:26.560 --> 01:59:32.640
appreciate it. Thank you. The rest of these are probably good for Luke if you want to leave us alone.

01:59:32.720 --> 01:59:37.200
Get out of here. I'm going to a play. I'll see you guys in person next Friday.

01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:43.360
Okay. Have fun. Enjoy it. Okay. I'm just going to do this in advance. I'll see you again next

01:59:43.360 --> 01:59:49.120
time next week. Same bad time. Same bad channel. And then, Luke, you can just have a super delayed

01:59:49.680 --> 01:59:53.760
that thing you do. Don't say bye because I'm contractually obligated to immediately

01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:57.360
end the outro if you do that. Yeah, don't do it, Luke. Don't do it. I know.

01:59:58.320 --> 02:00:01.520
No, you can't do it. Stop it. You can't do it. I know it's a reflex.

02:00:03.920 --> 02:00:09.600
Okay. Keep everyone on the edge of your seat. All right. Let's do it. We're not going to do this

02:00:09.600 --> 02:00:13.040
forever, but... Yeah, I've got a couple more. Yeah, we'll fire through the rest of the merch

02:00:13.040 --> 02:00:19.360
messages and then probably get out of here. I don't think we're going to do any topics. We'll just move those to next week. There's some really good topics. There's some really juicy ones.

02:00:19.360 --> 02:00:22.560
Yeah. So we'll talk about that next week. But yeah, we'll get through the rest of the

02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:28.800
merch messages and then... And I can actually send Sammy a message and he's still at work.

02:00:28.800 --> 02:00:39.200
It's not 10 p.m. Yeah. Follow-ups, FPE Exclusives. Okay, let's see. Hi, Luke. Who have you recommended

02:00:39.200 --> 02:00:46.720
cybersecurity con? Who are your recommended cybersecurity content creators? I haven't found

02:00:46.720 --> 02:00:53.040
many that aren't purely educational besides darknet diaries. Purely educational.

02:00:56.240 --> 02:01:03.920
I think he wants like LTT, but cybersecurity. We broke into a bank and stole on their money.

02:01:05.040 --> 02:01:10.720
I think my... There's a bunch that I watch kind of on and off. I'm not very good at remembering names,

02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:16.960
so this isn't going to be awesome for that. But low-level learning and John Hammond are ones that

02:01:16.960 --> 02:01:23.120
I frequently go back to. I kind of remember I'm looking over here now, right? Yeah, there? Yeah,

02:01:23.120 --> 02:01:28.400
there we go. Low-level learning and John Hammond are ones that I will frequently go back to.

02:01:29.440 --> 02:01:36.240
There's other people that talk about it, like even Thor or Pirate Software will talk about

02:01:36.240 --> 02:01:42.800
cybersecurity stuff sometimes. There are a bunch of other cybersecurity creators that I

02:01:43.760 --> 02:01:51.280
watch outside of those two as well, but... Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'll go with that.

02:01:52.800 --> 02:01:56.480
Yeah, without like bringing up my YouTube and finding them, those are the ones that I'm

02:01:56.480 --> 02:01:58.480
remembering off the top of my head right now, so...

02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:20.000
That are now LTT stables. I don't know how many still are.

02:02:20.240 --> 02:02:30.800
Kick farted was a thing of mine which kind of died alongside Kickstarter. It's not as popular anymore,

02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:38.640
so that... Oh, Dan was muted. Dan, say it again. Do it again. Gosh, darn it. Hey, LDL Goodevond from

02:02:38.640 --> 02:02:42.560
the Netherlands. Luke in a previous WAN Show you'd mentioned that Scrapyard Wars originally

02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:48.480
pitched by you. Did you pitch any other concepts that are now LTT staples? Yeah, quite a few of

02:02:48.480 --> 02:02:52.240
them have died off is essentially what I'm saying. So we had Tech Showdown,

02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:58.800
which I thought was amazing. I thought the content was fantastic,

02:03:01.040 --> 02:03:05.840
but people didn't really watch it. So we had Tech Showdown 1, which was Candy Battle.

02:03:06.960 --> 02:03:13.200
We had Candy Battle Part 2, which got even less views. Candy Battle went all the way to Part 4.

02:03:13.920 --> 02:03:17.440
That might be part of the reason why, because that was a one-day shoot that we moved into

02:03:17.440 --> 02:03:23.120
four videos and all the thumbnails were literally identical, except for the part number changing.

02:03:23.120 --> 02:03:28.720
That might have impacted it to a certain degree. Tech Showdown, the pixel PC thing was fantastic,

02:03:29.360 --> 02:03:36.480
but they in general just didn't get a ton of views. Tech Showdown and Scrapyard Wars were the two

02:03:36.480 --> 02:03:44.480
that were like very much me. Most of the rest of them were collaborative think tanks, if that makes

02:03:44.480 --> 02:03:52.800
sense. Even Tech Quicky, I had something to do with the original ideation of that, because I remember

02:03:53.680 --> 02:03:58.000
going to Best Buy and taking pictures of all the labels trying to get inspiration for some of the

02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:10.240
really early episodes. A lot of the things that have been on the channel for a really long time

02:04:10.240 --> 02:04:16.240
recurring themes I might have been a part of. One that I know I wasn't was like the

02:04:17.040 --> 02:04:20.960
Ultimate Tech Upgrades, the Intel or AMD ones. I had nothing to do with any of that.

02:04:24.160 --> 02:04:30.240
I don't know. Secret Shopper, I had nothing to do with. But yeah, a lot of the old school stuff

02:04:31.280 --> 02:04:38.160
I would have at least been a part of pitching it. I don't know. That's a long rambly answer, but

02:04:38.240 --> 02:04:42.480
Tech Showdown and Scrapyard Wars were the main ones that were just like only really

02:04:43.360 --> 02:04:48.640
me at the beginning, like when it was pitched for the first one. From there, it usually moved on

02:04:48.640 --> 02:04:54.000
to other people. The most recent Scrapyard Wars, I didn't do anything to plan it literally at all.

02:04:54.000 --> 02:04:58.400
I didn't even know what the theme was. I didn't know anything going into it. That was all other

02:04:58.400 --> 02:05:01.680
people, so they've kind of passed on from my hands now.

02:05:02.000 --> 02:05:09.440
But yeah. Hey, DLL, I am a working cybersecurity professional for a similar-sized company as

02:05:09.440 --> 02:05:13.360
yours. How do you manage people's expectations when going through the transition of being

02:05:14.240 --> 02:05:18.960
ad hoc startup to corporate? Luke just implodes. Yeah.

02:05:24.320 --> 02:05:28.400
Like this isn't here. You're okay. It's a problem for a bunch of reasons. It's a problem

02:05:28.400 --> 02:05:34.080
internally, and it's a problem externally. I don't know how many companies have as much

02:05:34.080 --> 02:05:40.400
light on them externally as we do, but cough, cough. Let's look at the lab for a second.

02:05:41.200 --> 02:05:48.800
People seemed to assume that almost instantaneously upon the lab existing, our testing was going

02:05:48.800 --> 02:05:57.360
to be at some new level just overnight. I think that created a lot of pressures, which

02:05:58.960 --> 02:06:02.000
those pressures were a little bit antithetical to some of the

02:06:03.040 --> 02:06:08.240
ideas of how the lab should have worked, which created the cyclical problem, where they just

02:06:08.240 --> 02:06:13.840
anyways, that created a bunch of issues, both internally and externally. I think

02:06:15.600 --> 02:06:21.120
I love when the YouTube channel gets hacked back in the day, and people are like,

02:06:21.680 --> 02:06:29.680
tech channel hacked, as if that has anything to do, as if we're cybersecurity professionals

02:06:29.680 --> 02:06:34.320
for one, and then for two, as if everyone in the company is. What are you talking about?

02:06:34.320 --> 02:06:41.680
We set a computer on fire the other week to make it cool down. We don't do just cybersecurity.

02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:46.960
Yeah. There's a lot of really weird expectations come from people that have

02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:50.640
often no idea what they're talking about. I had them before I started here.

02:06:50.640 --> 02:06:53.760
I was super intimidated that everybody here was going to be a computer expert,

02:06:53.760 --> 02:06:56.800
and you have me coming in doing tech support, and it's like,

02:06:57.520 --> 02:07:03.120
hi, my computer's broken. I'm like, oh god, here we go. The monitor was turned off. They're just

02:07:03.120 --> 02:07:09.840
all experts at there. It's a joke, right? Oh yeah. I think it was unplugged slightly,

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like the power cable was half unplugged, which is fine, but they're all experts at doing their thing,

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not necessarily experts at doing a tech. But we use so much stuff, dude. We're so many companies

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stuffed into one straight jacket. 11. Or straight jacket? Straight jacket feels accurate. We are

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inseparable. Trench coat? Coffin? No, yeah. I don't know. I want to suck your tears. We do so many

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things. Not only is there a merch company, but they actually engineer and develop their own

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stuff and tools and crazy things like that. That's an entire massive company, potentially,

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by itself. They have this video platform thing. We have the content creation ARM. We have our

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own business team instead of farming it out. We have our own editors instead of farming it out.

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We have our own accountants instead of farming it out. We do so much stuff. We have the lab.

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We have logistics. We have procurement. I'm sure I'm missing half the company somehow.

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All of your company. You handle everybody's like backline stuff, right? The teams and the Google

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and stuff. Oh, infrastructure, yeah. We didn't farm out that either. We've got global infrastructure

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and local infrastructure. Yeah, that's true. We have cloud and local. We do so many things.

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It's ridiculous. We've got enterprise data storage collections. People are like,

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you have 100 employees. We're in a company of 100 jobs. This thing must be perfect. And it's like,

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no, we don't have 100 employees working on that. We have one. Yeah. And then 100 other jobs.

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Yeah. Because we're 11 companies. Which is awesome. I think it's one of the things that

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people really like about working here is there's so much going on all the time. There's so much

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potential for you to do different things within the company. It's all cool things,

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but it creates sometimes, I think, a misconception from certain other people about how things work

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around here. How could they make this one small mistake? They have 100 people to prevent it.

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And it's like, no, we don't. We do a lot of different things. Also, we release an incredible

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amount of content and are human. So maybe chill out for a second. Speak for yourself.

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I am a robot. I may meet Popsicle. But yeah, managing expectations. I think

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one of the best things you can do, and I'll word it this way because it usually

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gathers more people's attention, but one of the best things that you can do is lie about timelines.

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What I really mean is one of the best things you can do is be realistic about timelines.

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But everyone involved, whether it's software developers, whether it's building contractors,

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whatever, they all think that everything's going to go perfectly and that they're going to get it

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done at this optimistic and realistic looking timeline. And then not everything goes perfectly,

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and it takes twice as long. And this happens every time. So just get the timeline suggestion

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from whoever you're working with and just double it. And then it's probably accurate.

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It's not, you're lying about the timeline, but you're actually not. You're being realistic,

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understanding that things are going to go wrong, that when you're building bespoke things, when

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you're working on new stuff, when you're not just turning out the same thing over and over and over

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and over again in a very practiced and measured way, then stuff happens. Things don't fit to schedule.

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So you need your schedule to be malleable so you can deal with that. The best way to manage

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expectations in my experience is the extremely old saying of under promise and over deliver.

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Don't set the expectations too high. And if people have expectations that are too high,

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despite that, meet with them and try to bring those expectations back down to reality, because

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it'll just be better for everyone. So yeah, anyways.

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Hey, what else we got? Hey, Linus, Luke, and the talent. An old whan talked about

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whale tier flow plane subs with free merch. Have you considered a tier that gives store credit

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monthly? Luke, would it be easier to have one bird or nine birds?

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Are these the same question? There's two questions. I think one of them, I don't know,

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answer both of them. I don't know. Pick one of your birds. A Floatplane

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subscription that gives you store credit sounds super weird to me.

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Is you're giving us money to give you money?

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I don't know. Maybe people would like that. It would be like you buy a Floatplane subscription

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and then you get a gift card. Yeah. Yeah, essentially. But like, is that good? You want that?

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Is counting the store?

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I don't know. We've got some plans. There's some cool plans coming up for for Floatplane

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LTT Store collaboration. Eventually, I kind of want it to go the other way around. I have this

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idea. We are not close to this. We are not currently working on this. Do not ask me in

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three weeks. When is this feature coming? It might never happen. Okay. No, setting expectations.

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I'm doing what I just talked about. Leave me alone. But I think it would be cool if maybe

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eventually we thought about potentially working on a system where when you buy merch on LTT Store,

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you get Floatplane subscription time. And if you currently have a Floatplane subscription,

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it essentially just buffers back your renew date. So say you're super into the merch and you really

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like the content on Floatplane and you buy a bunch of stuff in LTT Store and you're actively

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subscribed with a credit card on Floatplane. Well, buying stuff on LTT Store would push back

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when you have to get billed again on Floatplane, if that makes sense. Or would just every time you

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buy something on Floatplane store on LTT Store, maybe you just get a little bit of Floatplane

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time for free and you weren't previously subscribed. I think both of those are pretty

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interesting use cases. We are far from that being a thing. I don't know if that'll ever be a thing,

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et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Stop. Please leave me alone. There are many other things

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we're working on before then, but I think bridging the two in a variety of ways is cool.

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I think a lot of the people that like things from LTT Store are probably similar people to the

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people that like Floatplane. So I like the idea of somewhat of a collaboration between the two

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platforms. But for a variety of reasons, you know, both of them not originally being built with that

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in mind. It's not necessarily the easiest thing ever, but would be cool for people and is something

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that we are definitely interested in doing someday, sometime, not soon go away. And then

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is it easier to have one bird or nine? It's definitely easier to have one bird, but I would

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highly suggest that you have two, not nine and not one birds or flock animals. And if you are not

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literally home all the time, then they're going to feel abandoned by their flock, which is bad.

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So you want to give them a little buddy and then nine birds sounds like an incredible amount of

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work to deal with. One bird or nine birds is a yard reference, I think. Oh,

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well, I haven't been keeping up with my yard listening. So maybe I don't know the reference,

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but yeah, there we go. Is there any more? Sure. Oh, what?

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I see.

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I don't play Pokemon Go the way a lot of people play it.

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So I don't, I don't, I don't play as much in, in like, I don't pay as much attention to the

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updates and stuff. I was muted again, God. Somebody asked me what I think about the new

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update to Pokemon Go. What do you think about Pokemon Go? I don't really know what they're talking about. They're talking about the Dynamax thing. Yeah, I think so. It seems kind of neat

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actually because I like that the Dynamax locations are not super far apart. I do think

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most Min-Maxi gamers are going to interpret this as, oh, I should get in my car and drive to all of

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these, which sucks a lot. But I would hope that people notice that there's a limited amount that

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you can do every day. So as long as you have the time, you might as well just go walk to them.

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And then they're close enough that it's fairly reasonable to walk from point to point.

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So I'm using it as a walking thing. If that's the update that they're talking about,

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then yeah, I think it's generally a good thing. It incentivizes getting out there and getting

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new stuff because your old catalog of Pokemon are useless in that arena. And hopefully it gets

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people out walking. If it does not result in you walking, I think it is a bad feature that you

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should ignore in regards to playing Pokemon Go because I will yet again say that I think Pokemon

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Go itself, the game is actually terrible. But as a mechanism to get you outside and walking,

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it is God tier. It is both of those at the same time. All right, next up.

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Okay. Luke, as a man who drives cars until I get in, as a man who drives cars until I get

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the best trade-in value by pushing it to the scrapyard, I understand your love of the current

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car. Have you thought about what comes after the magic smoke?

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Not really. Pretty much all my hope has gone into Acura releasing a

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plug-in hybrid version of the, like, what are they on right now, TLX or whatever.

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That's been a hope. I hope they do it soon so that by the time I want to buy it, I can get a

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used one that's a few years old. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't put a ton of thought process

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into it. I don't love straight EVs. These days, I don't love straight ICE cars either. I really

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like the idea of plug-in hybrids. I have driven my girlfriend's Prius Prime plug-in hybrid a few

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times and the main problems that I have with it are that it's just like, I don't know, I don't fit

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in that car as well as I do in mine, which is what brings me back to wanting an Acura because

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I have never been in a car that feels as naturally comfortable to me as my car does.

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So I like the idea of hopefully they still feel that way and I can get a new one,

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not brand new, a new to me. Better not, I'm leaving right now.

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Yeah, yeah, don't worry. Dead to me. You have permission to take me out.

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Yeah, but having the power and efficiency of a plug-in hybrid because the power,

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dude, when you put it on, use both drivetrains mode, dang.

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Most supercars are hybrid now and there's a new one that came out which is the first

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30 kilometers an hour, 30 miles an hour, full electric until the engine's peak torque comes in

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and then it's like unlimited power forever. So sick. And then the ability, you still have

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infinite range because you can fill up at pumps whenever you want, but you have that efficiency

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of if you're just commuting to work and back, you can probably just plug it in. Like plug-in hybrids

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are peak, in my opinion. So if I am able to get a plug-in hy... If I could just take my current car

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and assume the frame is in perfect condition and stuff, which I'm sure it's not, if I can

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assume all that stuff is fine, if I could just literally have the shell of my car, but it was a

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modern plug-in hybrid engine that was in the performance category that my car is in, I would

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be super stoked, which is why I'm just hoping that they accurate eventually does that so that I can

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get the closest possible thing to what I currently have, but with a modern plug-in hybrid engine.

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You pay me for that. I'll do it. Find the engine. We're gonna rust it out one.

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We're gonna rust it out one. I'll do that. That sounds like a fun car project.

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Oh man. I'll get salmon over here. We'll drift it. Be sick. So that's all I got?

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Yeah. Okay. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching the extended period. We'll see you next week.

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All those fun, exciting things. Bye!

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you